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Speaker 2: To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a.
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Speaker 2: Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a
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Speaker 5: I'll just passed over, I go.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was, but it's from at
Speaker 2: least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed
Speaker 2: out over the top of US.
Speaker 5: Ninety one one.
Speaker 3: You just called up to me before.
Speaker 2: They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 1: He is.
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Speaker 6: or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 7: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 5: I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Speaker 5: Tonight's episode DJ from Rural Ireland recounting his twenty twenty
Speaker 5: three encounter in County Longford, where he and his wife
Speaker 5: witnessed a massive black triangle craft with fiery orange lights
Speaker 5: alongside this site. In DJ SHARE's chilling experiences from his youth,
Speaker 5: including a seance gone wrong, a violent paranormal event after
Speaker 5: reciting our father in a mirror, and a night in
Speaker 5: Ireland's most haunted room. Then we traveled to Canada with Michael,
Speaker 5: who was only seven years old when he saw a
Speaker 5: silent black triangle cross the sky above his hometown in
Speaker 5: July of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 5: Decades later, he discovered another sighting from the very same
Speaker 5: month in a city just hours away, reinforcing what he
Speaker 5: saw was real. Michael reflects on that single moment shaped
Speaker 5: a lifetime of curiosity about the skies. DJ is up next,
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Speaker 5: Now on with the show. Hello DJ, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi Nick, great to be here.
Speaker 5: It is great to have you with us. And you're
Speaker 5: calling from Ireland.
Speaker 1: That's correct, I'm calling from rural Ireland. Very quiet place,
Speaker 1: very green, very.
Speaker 5: Quiet, wonderful green and great country air. Now you have
Speaker 5: some experiences to share with us. Would you like start
Speaker 5: at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: I will, indeed, I suppose The first thing I'd have
Speaker 1: to say is I'm a lawyer and my wife, who's
Speaker 1: involved in this story, is also a lawyer. So we're
Speaker 1: very kind of grounded people. You know. We don't wear
Speaker 1: a lot of beads, and we're not chanting at the
Speaker 1: moon or anything like that. We're very ordinary conservative people
Speaker 1: and we're very kind of traditional beliefs, and so I
Speaker 1: just wanted to preface what I'm going to say with
Speaker 1: that we're not looking for attention or anything like that.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm not using my real name for example.
Speaker 1: But what basically what happened was was on the seventeenth
Speaker 1: of February twenty twenty three, my wife and I went
Speaker 1: for a walk, as we do most evenings, in a
Speaker 1: village called bally Mahan in County Longford, and we were
Speaker 1: walking along and suddenly three very bright lights appeared through
Speaker 1: the clouds. And as they came they were a very
Speaker 1: distinct color, which becomes important later. They were a fiery orange,
Speaker 1: and they were as big as the brightest star in
Speaker 1: the sky, say the morning star of the evening star.
Speaker 1: And they as they approached closer, they're obviously in a
Speaker 1: triangle formation, as three can only be a black A
Speaker 1: matte black triangle appeared with these three light points bin
Speaker 1: at its corners. It then started to move. This triangle
Speaker 1: started to move in circles randomly, and next thing, there
Speaker 1: were two other orbs, we'd call them, these orange fiery orbs,
Speaker 1: moving around the triangle, and they were moving rapidly across
Speaker 1: the sky. It was not any type of plane, it
Speaker 1: wasn't any type of star. It wasn't starlink, which I've
Speaker 1: seen elon Musk's aerial abomination. It wasn't a meteor. I've
Speaker 1: seen plenty of those. We lived in the countryside. We're
Speaker 1: used to seeing meteor shooting stars, etc. It wasn't anything
Speaker 1: like that, and they were able to go from one
Speaker 1: side of the horizon to the other basically in the
Speaker 1: blink of an eye. I like to take things in
Speaker 1: and I'm not a big fan of phones, actually, so
Speaker 1: I asked my wife if she would do the honors
Speaker 1: with her phone and get some footage. She took a
Speaker 1: few photographs, and only at the end did she take
Speaker 1: a small bit of footage where you could see some
Speaker 1: of the lights moving in a kind of a violent
Speaker 1: pattern near the near the horizon. I'll come back to
Speaker 1: those images in a minute. So we walked on and
Speaker 1: we said, my god, that we were stunned. What was that?
Speaker 1: We walked on. About ten minutes later, three further lights,
Speaker 1: the same lights appeared in the sky the same direction,
Speaker 1: a southerly direction, and just appeared briefly and disappeared. And
Speaker 1: that was the full content of our experience. But we
Speaker 1: look back then at what my wife had photographed, and
Speaker 1: it was a triangle with the three light points, and
Speaker 1: we have that photograph and the video just shows, you know,
Speaker 1: the these orange orbs just moving very rapidly and erratically
Speaker 1: near the horizon. The craft was very large, very large.
Speaker 1: It would not be less than each side, would not
Speaker 1: be less than one hundred meters in length, and we
Speaker 1: didn't feel threatened. There was no subtext communication or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Then that basically was our experience. And then
Speaker 1: we googled a UFO's Ireland. Now up to that point,
Speaker 1: I had absolutely no interest in UFOs. I was of
Speaker 1: the Mars Attacks school, sharing the cultural skepticism that's popular
Speaker 1: with this topic. But we googled UFO Ireland and a
Speaker 1: book cover came up called Conspiracy of Silence UFOs in
Speaker 1: Ireland by Dermott Butler and Carl Nlly. And what is
Speaker 1: bizarre is there's a picture on the cover of that
Speaker 1: book which is a black triangle with three lights at
Speaker 1: the points and each light being that orange flame color.
Speaker 1: We were flabbergasted when we saw that, So we obviously
Speaker 1: weren't the first people to see this phenomenon in Irish skies.
Speaker 1: So Nick, that's basically the UFO experience I had.
Speaker 5: Oh, interesting, Staff, This is sometimes the reason why people
Speaker 5: get involved in the subject is because no interest in
Speaker 5: before and I've seen something strange, So this kind of
Speaker 5: stuck out for you.
Speaker 2: DJ.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, obviously I've been My eyes have been to
Speaker 1: the skies when i'm walking since that time, and I've
Speaker 1: started to listen to podcasts like your own for example.
Speaker 1: You know, but I haven't seen anything since I saw
Speaker 1: the starlink once. That was it. But I haven't seen anything,
Speaker 1: not even a flash, and that can. We live on
Speaker 1: a farm out in the countryside. We've on unoccluded views
Speaker 1: of the skies. There's no ambient background light going into
Speaker 1: the visibility into the sky, so the visibility is excellent.
Speaker 1: And I have not seen a single thing like what
Speaker 1: I saw in February twenty twenty three, nothing like it.
Speaker 1: So but I'm a convert to there have been something there, something.
Speaker 5: Well exactly, you've seen it. You live out in the
Speaker 5: country and used to these these starlink satellites fill in
Speaker 5: the sky, and you must be used to drones too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I've actually seen some low flying military drones.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they're American because they were very, very large
Speaker 1: and silent, which have flown over our house. And I
Speaker 1: have seen two meteorites. One of them was very large
Speaker 1: and I think there's some copper base because they were green,
Speaker 1: and I heard one of them hit the ground even
Speaker 1: quite near quite near our house. It was a huge
Speaker 1: flash in the sky. We just saw this ball and
Speaker 1: then there was a sound. So you know, we're not
Speaker 1: we're not going to jump to conclusions when we see
Speaker 1: anything in the sky that it's a UFO or anything
Speaker 1: like that. So but this was of a completely different nature,
Speaker 1: and it's consistent with other reported sightings of which we
Speaker 1: were completely unaware. So I think that that does add
Speaker 1: a lot of credibility. And obviously having the photographs helps.
Speaker 1: I was a bit disappointed my wife and take a
Speaker 1: video of everything, because obviously we'd have licensed that now
Speaker 1: for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Now I'm joking,
Speaker 1: but you know, the photographs. Photographs are as good as
Speaker 1: you can get on an iPhone. This is another thing.
Speaker 1: And but the video, although it's very short, that shows
Speaker 1: you the true color and nature of the movement of
Speaker 1: these of the orbs and the vehicle. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it was it didn't have a normal flight plan.
Speaker 1: It was very erratic and I've never seen anything whatsoever
Speaker 1: like it since. But I'm confident that it was something
Speaker 1: belonged to the phenomenon of UAP or UFOs.
Speaker 5: You said the flight path was a bit erratic. Do
Speaker 5: you mean that it wasn't a linear path? It absolutely wasn't.
Speaker 1: Nick So it would fly maybe ten or fifteen degrees
Speaker 1: of the sky in one direction, then it would go
Speaker 1: straight up, then it would make go a circle, then
Speaker 1: it would go back where it came from, and then
Speaker 1: it would fade back into the clouds because it actually
Speaker 1: was cloudy, and then come back through the clouds again
Speaker 1: so we could see it. I'd say the whole experience
Speaker 1: lasted about three minutes. First experience, I would say, and
Speaker 1: the second sighting lasted about thirty seconds. But they were
Speaker 1: undoubtedly the same objects, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: And the light on the front did it? Did it
Speaker 5: have a leading edge?
Speaker 1: It did well, now that it wasn't an equilateral triangle.
Speaker 1: The leading edge the longer side that had a light
Speaker 1: at the point, as I had the two rear points.
Speaker 1: But now now that now that you say it it
Speaker 1: actually did travel on the leading edge side. Forgot to
Speaker 1: mention that there was absolutely no sound whatsoever. And you
Speaker 1: know we have we're on a flight path here, and
Speaker 1: we're used to certain flights during the night. You hear
Speaker 1: them going over a long way over. Now there's no
Speaker 1: airport near us, but you know, you would hear a sound,
Speaker 1: whether it was delayed or the Doppler effect or whatever.
Speaker 1: But there was absolutely no sound whatsoever from what we saw.
Speaker 5: Nothing did you hear of possibly of anyone now Dallas
Speaker 5: had seen it. I know, it's like in the country,
Speaker 5: no news travels fast, maybe in a local newspaper anything
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 1: Well, we reported to the local newspaper and they published
Speaker 1: it and the Irish Aviation Authority reverted to them saying
Speaker 1: that nothing was in the sky at that time, which
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised at, but it's good. It's good to me.
Speaker 1: That just confirms that it wasn't an aircraft. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what's very important. The second thing is around here,
Speaker 1: it's very, very sparsely populated. I'm not surprised that nobody
Speaker 1: else thought. It's not surprised at all. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is, as you know, there is a shyness we
Speaker 1: call it unwillingness to come forward in relation to these
Speaker 1: type of experiences. In fact, I mean I had to
Speaker 1: think very carefully coming even on this podcast, because you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be perceived as some sort of
Speaker 1: a UFO nutjob like I used to think, like the
Speaker 1: Mars attacks type image of people who believe in UFOs.
Speaker 1: But I'm a convert, now that's for certain.
Speaker 5: So you are wearing those beads, now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got the purple streak and act and sackcloth
Speaker 1: onnick good stuff.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I mean to be honest with you,
Speaker 5: DJ the amount of people which reach out to me
Speaker 5: and they are in exactly the same position. You know,
Speaker 5: They've got top jobs, very very professional jobs, and they say,
Speaker 5: you know, you're going to think I'm crazy, but this
Speaker 5: is what I saw. I've got no interest in that.
Speaker 5: The subject, I've got no interest in whatsoever. You know,
Speaker 5: I don't drink, I don't take drugs, but this is
Speaker 5: what I witnessed.
Speaker 1: I completely believe that. And we were in Bergen in
Speaker 1: Norway late last year and in the hotel we were
Speaker 1: saying there was a number of pilots staying and I
Speaker 1: was just at the reception desk and a captain of
Speaker 1: a plane just pulled in beside me at the reception
Speaker 1: desk and we just got chatting. He was a Norwegian
Speaker 1: chap and I asked him, have you ever seen UFOs?
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, all the time. It's normal. That's
Speaker 1: what he said. And then he said the only other
Speaker 1: comment he made was the further north you go, the
Speaker 1: more you see. And this was just a this was
Speaker 1: as dry as bread conversation, just totally factual. There was
Speaker 1: no drink taken. It was in the middle of the day,
Speaker 1: and he said he sees them all the time. And
Speaker 1: I think it's it's kind of like it's just something
Speaker 1: pilots don't don't don't shout about. But I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting the way he said, the further north you go,
Speaker 1: the more likely you are to see them, based on
Speaker 1: these you know, proported basis or whatever they're meant to
Speaker 1: exist at the polls. I just thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: But that man was also very credible. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, the amount of pilots and people in ATC
Speaker 5: that do see stuff but they don't get reported because
Speaker 5: also a lot of time to just be flying a desk,
Speaker 5: you know, And it's a shame really because there's a
Speaker 5: lot of points out there which probably have some fantastic stories.
Speaker 1: I'd say they do. The other thing that you know,
Speaker 1: you asked me to have a think about, where there
Speaker 1: any other unusual things I experienced during my life, and
Speaker 1: there were actually two. Now I know, the average par
Speaker 1: comes on one of these podcasts telling you they have
Speaker 1: an invisible friend who comes every night at three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning and they're seeing, you know, tall gray
Speaker 1: strangers in their garden every five minutes. But this is
Speaker 1: this isn't anything like that. I have to think back
Speaker 1: on my life, and there actually were a couple of
Speaker 1: things that happened that were extremely out of the ordinary.
Speaker 5: You go right ahead, DJ, we'd love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, the first ones when I was younger, you
Speaker 1: met the films like The Omen and things like that
Speaker 1: were on television and The Exorcist, et cetera. And I
Speaker 1: developed an unhealthy interest in Ouiji boards. And I had
Speaker 1: a couple of friends there now one of the same
Speaker 1: guys are One of them is a doctor now and
Speaker 1: the other is as another doctor. So these were clever
Speaker 1: enough guys, and together we researched how to do a
Speaker 1: formal saance with invocations and all the rest. So we
Speaker 1: had our first seance in a library in our local town.
Speaker 1: And you have to have a focus. We had a
Speaker 1: folded up piece of paper. We did the incantation. We
Speaker 1: went through the and it made joined hand et ceter
Speaker 1: on the table and quietened down and focused on the
Speaker 1: piece of paper, and next thing, the piece of paper
Speaker 1: rose up to eye level and when we broke the circle,
Speaker 1: it dropped to the ground. We were absolutely terrified. Let's
Speaker 1: say we were about thirteen or fourteen at the time.
Speaker 1: We ran to the local church with the piece of
Speaker 1: paper and put it in the holy waterfront because we
Speaker 1: were that scared. So that was fairly terrifying. I remember
Speaker 1: sinply after that you'd be afraid you'd look at something
Speaker 1: in case it would move. But there was no way
Speaker 1: anyone could have blown the paper anything like that, because
Speaker 1: it rose up, say, just over a foot off the table,
Speaker 1: and however there until we broke we lifted our hands
Speaker 1: and then it fell back immediately to the table. So
Speaker 1: that was my first kind of experience of anything happening
Speaker 1: on Ouiji boards. But that didn't deter me in my
Speaker 1: interest in yeah cult at that time, like a lot
Speaker 1: of teenagers, and so we continued reading about seances and
Speaker 1: demons and all this, and so we heard that if
Speaker 1: we read that if you say the our father backwards
Speaker 1: in a mirror, the devil will appear. Now. You know,
Speaker 1: I am a Catholic, and maybe at that stage of
Speaker 1: my life my faith mightn't have been as strong. But
Speaker 1: eventually I was kind of put forward as the person
Speaker 1: who was going to do this. So I went into
Speaker 1: a bathroom with a mirror. I had a pair of
Speaker 1: rosary beads on me because I was that scared, and
Speaker 1: I said the our father backwards. Nothing happened. I was
Speaker 1: so relieved. I left the room at home my friends.
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing happened. That's fine. That night I had to
Speaker 1: travel to Cork to a funeral to my auntie's house.
Speaker 1: I traveled down. I didn't think any further about it,
Speaker 1: and I went to bed and in a room in
Speaker 1: my auntie's house. I was there on my own, and
Speaker 1: at midnight, just after midnight, actually it was ten past twelve,
Speaker 1: there was a massive sound in the room, like rocks
Speaker 1: pulling apart. I couldn't describe it any other way. And
Speaker 1: next thing was there was a massive light in the
Speaker 1: room and a wind, and the bed I was on
Speaker 1: was blown back against the wall. The room was wrecked.
Speaker 1: Every book in the place was thrown to the ground
Speaker 1: against the wall, and I felt I didn't. My eyes
Speaker 1: closed so tightly, and I was just wishing it would
Speaker 1: go away. I was terrified, and it felt like there
Speaker 1: was a figure there in front of me, and I
Speaker 1: was terrified. Next thing, there was a sound like the
Speaker 1: rocks grinding again, and the light dimmed, and the figure
Speaker 1: was gone, and I opened my eyes and the bed
Speaker 1: was against the wall. Every book, every magazine, every mat
Speaker 1: in the room was pressed up against the wall where
Speaker 1: the bed had been pushed back to with the wind.
Speaker 1: And I think I spent three hours of the night
Speaker 1: putting the room back together. Now I didn't know what happened.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, did a truck hit the house, did
Speaker 1: a truck reverse into the house? Was there lightning? Had
Speaker 1: it been an earthquake. I didn't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but I was mainly you can imagine like you're a
Speaker 1: young teenager, you're in your auntie's house and the room
Speaker 1: is wrecked, okay. I was mostly concerned with putting the
Speaker 1: room back together, which took absolutely forever, and so afterwards
Speaker 1: I did think, you know, obviously I said the our
Speaker 1: father backwards. In the mirror of that day, I wondered
Speaker 1: that I'd have anything to do with it, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking, I was mostly settling up. Maybe a truck
Speaker 1: hit the house, That's what I was I was thinking.
Speaker 1: So you can imagine you're in bed on a ground
Speaker 1: floor room and a truck like the huge light, the noise,
Speaker 1: and you know, the bang and everything moves back. But
Speaker 1: there was no marks on the house. And the years
Speaker 1: went by, I didn't tell anyone about it. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell obviously my auntie or a family or anything like that,
Speaker 1: because I was concerned I wrecked their house, you know.
Speaker 1: And years later I was in university and I was
Speaker 1: staying with my auntie, who I'm very close to, and
Speaker 1: we started having a conversation about the occult, and so
Speaker 1: I told her this story. And my auntie is a businesswoman,
Speaker 1: you know, very down to earth. She was holding a
Speaker 1: white so I was about twenty at the time. She
Speaker 1: was holding a white ceramic pot of tea and she
Speaker 1: fainted and it fell on her foot, and so I
Speaker 1: thought she fainted, you know, we were putting eyes on
Speaker 1: her foot and everything. And when she came to she
Speaker 1: said to me, did that really happen to you? And
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it did happen to me. And she
Speaker 1: said to me was it such and such a relation
Speaker 1: of ours funeral that time? I said, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: when it happened. That's actually when it did happen. She said,
Speaker 1: the same thing happened her the same night in the house,
Speaker 1: and she never had told a sinner because they would
Speaker 1: think she was insane. So Nick, that that happened two
Speaker 1: very level headed people. And so my advice to anyone is,
Speaker 1: do not mess with wigi boards. Stay away from them.
Speaker 1: They're bad news.
Speaker 5: Indeed. Yeah, so that was that happened to Andy the
Speaker 5: same night.
Speaker 1: The same night, And I can tell you it was
Speaker 1: about eight years later when we had that conversation, and
Speaker 1: she had not told a sinner about that, because like
Speaker 1: whatever about a child saying it an adult saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, people would think that you were you were crazy,
Speaker 1: and my Auntie would be very religious as well. And
Speaker 1: she felt exactly like I felt that there was pure badness,
Speaker 1: pure I don't say pure evil because I sound like Mulletman,
Speaker 1: but there was there was like just a you know,
Speaker 1: a very nefarious entity in the room in front of her.
Speaker 1: But it was exactly the same the room, her room was.
Speaker 1: Everything was pushed to one side, there was the wind,
Speaker 1: there was the light, there was the sound of something
Speaker 1: of like a cave opening or rocks pulling apart. And
Speaker 1: then she didn't open her eyes either, but she saw
Speaker 1: like like you can imagine if there if something that
Speaker 1: there's a light in front of you and some of
Speaker 1: your eyes closed, something walks across it, you know something
Speaker 1: is there. And that same thing happened her the same night,
Speaker 1: and that is it is an amazing story, but it
Speaker 1: absolutely happened. And I do believe that the genesis of
Speaker 1: that was the unfortunate decision that I made to say
Speaker 1: the our father backwards in the mirror, which I think
Speaker 1: was a terrible thing to do, and I regret doing it.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I think we've all done that at school.
Speaker 5: I mean that all based from a legend, doesn't it?
Speaker 1: The rfar in the mirror?
Speaker 5: I think the Americans have think bloody Mary, right, I
Speaker 5: didn't know that now And then you know, you've got
Speaker 5: the movie Candy Man, haven't you where you say Candy
Speaker 5: Man in the in the mirror and stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 5: it's a it's a legend and it seems to go
Speaker 5: across the world, but it's different variations of it. Funny enough,
Speaker 5: we actually.
Speaker 1: Read it in the colored book. That's where. That's where
Speaker 1: we got it from. That's where we heard it. It
Speaker 1: wasn't we didn't hear it anywhere. We actually read it
Speaker 1: in a in a book. So that's it, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's interesting. I had one other experience happening.
Speaker 1: It's not as dramatic if if you're interested in hearing.
Speaker 5: It, absolutely, yeah, it might slame my heart rate down
Speaker 5: a little bit there, DJ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this this is this isn't as bad at all.
Speaker 1: I was staying in a very nice place called Castle
Speaker 1: Leslie and County Monahing in Ireland, and it was lucky
Speaker 1: enough to be saying in the beautiful room called the
Speaker 1: Mauve Rooms. It's an old castle the relations of Winston Churchill.
Speaker 1: And you know we're saying in this beautiful room. But yeah,
Speaker 1: nice dinner. And then went to stay in this room,
Speaker 1: four poster bed and all the rest and uh myself
Speaker 1: my wife were lying in bed and I said, I
Speaker 1: said to her, you see these glow worms. So what
Speaker 1: are these? I kept like closing my hand trying to
Speaker 1: grab the glow worms. He said, no, I don't see anything.
Speaker 1: I said, look at the look at this one here.
Speaker 1: Look it's right in front of us. And I kept
Speaker 1: like clapping my hands trying to trap trap what I
Speaker 1: thought were these glowworms, you know, but I couldn't even
Speaker 1: though I was slapping my hand. You know, there's nothing,
Speaker 1: no residue of an insect on my hand whatsoever. And
Speaker 1: then there were these wide flashes of green light up
Speaker 1: and down the room. And you know, someone be a
Speaker 1: thicker like a foot wide, some would be like two
Speaker 1: inches wide. These kind of bands of like gone up
Speaker 1: and down the room. And I said to my wife,
Speaker 1: do you know something, all the money we're paying for
Speaker 1: this room, wouldn't you think they wouldn't have a water
Speaker 1: feature at the window. So when people drive up, this
Speaker 1: is happening. This is ridiculous. Like I was actually annoyed.
Speaker 1: And she said, I can't see any green lights. Said
Speaker 1: look look there, look look there they are. So that's fine.
Speaker 1: So the night went by. I didn't think anything of it.
Speaker 1: The next morning we were at breakfast and we met
Speaker 1: Sir John Leslie, who's now passed away. Quite a character indeed.
Speaker 1: So Sir John said, oh, you stayed in the mob
Speaker 1: room last night, and I said, yes, we did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he said, did you see any orbs? I said
Speaker 1: orbs no, said orbs no, and he said it's the
Speaker 1: most haunted room in Ireland. And you know people say
Speaker 1: they see orbs and they see strange lights and movement
Speaker 1: in the room. And then I went, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: that's what I saw. Wasn't someone driving up the drive
Speaker 1: and light shining off the water fountain or something like that,
Speaker 1: or these glowworms floating about the place. It was nothing
Speaker 1: like that, obviously it was. It was what he referred to,
Speaker 1: some sort of haunting happening in the room. So that's
Speaker 1: it's not as extreme a story, but it's completely true.
Speaker 1: And was bizarre was that my wife didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: and I literally was squeezing my hand in front of
Speaker 1: her face, looking looking, going I have I have the
Speaker 1: glow I'm look I have look at them, look at
Speaker 1: them so I can't see anything and I said, no, no,
Speaker 1: they're there. And only the next day the two of us,
Speaker 1: now we both dropped our spoons into our porridge when
Speaker 1: he told us that we were absolutely stunned so and
Speaker 1: that that house is well known for hauntings, but it
Speaker 1: was nice that it happened with no sort of advanced
Speaker 1: notice or no preconceived ideas, you know, And because I'm not,
Speaker 1: wasn't someone looking for looking for ghosts? I certainly wasn't.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the end of my Castle Leslie story.
Speaker 5: That's name stuff.
Speaker 1: DJ.
Speaker 5: You know every single one of your experiences, you know
Speaker 5: you haven't been looking for it.
Speaker 1: No, I'm so busy with my own life, with the
Speaker 1: practicalities of day to day living. I don't have time
Speaker 1: for imaginings. And I don't need any extra people in
Speaker 1: my life, imagined or otherwise. I've enough going on and
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure to friends either, So I like,
Speaker 1: I like to stick to the type of a company
Speaker 1: that has a heartbeat instead of.
Speaker 5: So well, thank you so much for coming on sharing
Speaker 5: on this did reach out about a year ago, and
Speaker 5: you know, life gets in the way, and we did
Speaker 5: finally get you on, and I'm really glad we did.
Speaker 1: I truly enjoyed it, Nick, and I love the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm afraid to admit I do go to sleep
Speaker 1: listening to it at nighttime. It's your it's your voice
Speaker 1: just has that has that certain lilt to us that
Speaker 1: puts one asleep.
Speaker 5: You know, that is a very common email I get,
Speaker 5: and I think I'm not sure. Like you can kind
Speaker 5: of take it one of two ways. Either it's if
Speaker 5: I've got a very boring voice or I have a
Speaker 5: very soothing voice.
Speaker 1: I think it works both ways. What happened was you
Speaker 1: missed your vocation as a hypnotist. So I think that's
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 5: Try out with my wife. It never works.
Speaker 1: We all try that. We all try that. Look into
Speaker 1: my eyes, not around my eyes, in my eyes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 5: Good stuff, DJ.
Speaker 1: Lovely opian OPI enjoyed. They're all completely trounic. They all
Speaker 1: happened me And like the one about the like I
Speaker 1: am religious now, to be honest with you, I actually
Speaker 1: was a captive missionary for oil and young when I
Speaker 1: was younger, and as a lawyer, like you know that
Speaker 1: thing about the our father backwards, like I can't believe
Speaker 1: I did that. I was, you know, I'm actually disgusted
Speaker 1: with myself thinking what kind of person was I to
Speaker 1: do that at the time, you know, But all those
Speaker 1: things happened, the one with John Leslie at the end,
Speaker 1: like that. That was what was incredible, was that my
Speaker 1: wife couldn't see a thing and I could see as
Speaker 1: clear as day. But my friend who's the priest, said
Speaker 1: that there are people like that. I know some other stories,
Speaker 1: but they're not forsthand stories, so I won't tell them
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Was that the Baron John Leslie?
Speaker 1: Yes, Sir John Leslie. But that night actually we went
Speaker 1: disco dancing with them in Monaghan Town and he was
Speaker 1: like ninety years old.
Speaker 5: It was a bit of a character, wasn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was fairly crazy, yeah, but he was. He
Speaker 1: enjoyed his position in the aristocracy in Ireland and put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 5: But you'll be surprised, you might of folk who grew
Speaker 5: up Catholic do dabble. You know, they have dabbled us,
Speaker 5: but more so when they were teenagers, when they were
Speaker 5: at that kind of age.
Speaker 1: Well, to be honest with you, Nick, I didn't go
Speaker 1: to Mass for nine years, right I was. I was
Speaker 1: a very ferocious rugby player who liked very very bad
Speaker 1: types of music. I drove a black motorbike, I had
Speaker 1: the Mohican and then and then I went back to
Speaker 1: my faith. And when I went back to my faith,
Speaker 1: rather than just something I did grow up with it,
Speaker 1: but having left it and come back to it. It
Speaker 1: was incredibly enriching to come back to it and like
Speaker 1: people are looking for so much, and to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I found it back where I started, which
Speaker 1: was in my faith. You know. Yeah, well look, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate the experience, the chance to hear those things
Speaker 1: for posterity, and I look forward to see you coming
Speaker 1: out and I remain a fan of the show and
Speaker 1: one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: DJ, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing that
Speaker 5: for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick, my absolute pleasure.
Speaker 5: It was wonderful to me. Okay, take care and we
Speaker 5: will speak soon, Sir Houp.
Speaker 1: Let's take care. Bye bye, b bye f And now.
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Speaker 5: Hello, Michael, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you doing.
Speaker 5: I'm doing pretty good. Thank you for joining us today.
Speaker 5: And you're calling from Ontario in Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm calling from a It's a city about an
Speaker 4: hour outside of Toronto here in Ontario, Canada.
Speaker 5: Wonderful stuff shine up to our Canadians out there. Now,
Speaker 5: you have some experiences to share with us. Would you
Speaker 5: like to start at the beginning please, sir?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to go back to This happened when
Speaker 4: I was a child, and it's relevant to me and
Speaker 4: I think to you know, potentially retelling it on this
Speaker 4: podcast because it's something that has stuck with me and
Speaker 4: over the years, it's just kind of it's grown and
Speaker 4: it's grown, and I think that's maybe a like a
Speaker 4: common shared experience with people who have a story like mine,
Speaker 4: where they see something and it sticks with them, and
Speaker 4: maybe they don't tell people at first, and then they
Speaker 4: start to tell people, and then those people go, I
Speaker 4: kind of heard of something like that, and it grows
Speaker 4: and it grows, and that's very much been my experience.
Speaker 4: I grew up in like a very small town in
Speaker 4: northern Ontario in here in Canada.
Speaker 2: It was about four hours north of Toronto.
Speaker 4: So if you look at Toronto on a map and
Speaker 4: you'd kind of just like run your hand up, I
Speaker 4: don't like three or four inches, there's like a big lake.
Speaker 4: And then I grew up in a small town around there.
Speaker 4: There's like twelve hundred people. It was just off the highway.
Speaker 4: It was very much like felt like a like maybe
Speaker 4: a movie where there's like a small town killer or something.
Speaker 2: Or But also.
Speaker 4: If you're around my age, you would remember a video
Speaker 4: game called Earthbound was an RPG game for the Super Nintendo,
Speaker 4: and I know it also had to release as Mother two.
Speaker 2: Or Mother three in Japan.
Speaker 4: You would know this if you knew the game, you'd
Speaker 4: be correct acting me as you listen to this, But
Speaker 4: it very much felt like the town from that game.
Speaker 4: There's one of everything. There was one gas station there
Speaker 4: was one grocery store. There was a funeral parlor. There
Speaker 4: was a hockey arena, because there's always a hockey arena
Speaker 4: in Canadian small towns and that's where like everyone socializes.
Speaker 2: And I was bad at hockey, so I wasn't a
Speaker 2: part of that. But there was like one of everything.
Speaker 2: And we were living just on the outside of that town.
Speaker 4: So it's a small town, twelve hundred people, and then
Speaker 4: there's all this rural farmland. It's not so north that
Speaker 4: there was always snow. There was snow four or five
Speaker 4: months of the year. The rest of the year, you
Speaker 4: kind of had a very muddy spring. You had a
Speaker 4: beautiful autumn. You had like great, great Ontario summers where
Speaker 4: there's farm fields and the sunsets like dropped forever and
Speaker 4: it feels like, you know, you get that extended twilight
Speaker 4: in the summer. And I remember a lot of that
Speaker 4: as a child because I would spend so much time
Speaker 4: staring into the sky after the thing that I saw,
Speaker 4: which kind of leads to all of this. So I
Speaker 4: was seven years old. This happened to me in July
Speaker 4: of nineteen ninety two. I was seven years old. I
Speaker 4: know that because we moved homes the following summer. I
Speaker 4: know what age I was when I moved.
Speaker 2: I remember all of this.
Speaker 4: I was being babysat with my sister, who was younger
Speaker 4: than me, about a kilometer or two down this like
Speaker 4: rural highway, you know, it's they're all kind of called
Speaker 4: highways when they go out in the middle of other communities.
Speaker 4: But our babysitters house was the woman who looked after us.
Speaker 4: Our house was down always, so we had to get
Speaker 4: picked up via a car and driven back to our house.
Speaker 4: And I remember it was one evening, and it would
Speaker 4: have been in the summertime because we were there all
Speaker 4: day long, so we weren't in school where we looked
Speaker 4: after throughout the summer at this woman's house and there
Speaker 4: was like seven kids there maybe. Anyways, I didn't talk
Speaker 4: to any of them about any of them about what
Speaker 4: happened to me, because they were either like younger or
Speaker 4: I knew they wouldn't be interested. And I instantly had
Speaker 4: a fear of talking to people about this event. Well, so, okay,
Speaker 4: we really I was being picked up, We were being
Speaker 4: my sister and I were being picked up from the
Speaker 4: babysitter's house.
Speaker 2: And I remember very very vividly. It was in the back.
Speaker 4: We had like a like a Toyota Corolla, like this
Speaker 4: gray thing it was. It was nothing glamorous. We were
Speaker 4: driving down this country highway and I was looking out
Speaker 4: the right side of the window and I was looking over.
Speaker 4: You could well this small town I grew up in
Speaker 4: was was called Powassen, Ontario. It means bend in the
Speaker 4: creek because there's a creek that runs through it. And
Speaker 4: I was looking over where this creek leads to some water,
Speaker 4: and I remember looking up and the object I saw
Speaker 4: didn't look like any of the planes that I remember seeing.
Speaker 4: And there wasn't a whole lot of planes that went
Speaker 4: over Quasson, Ontario. We weren't on a major flightpath except
Speaker 4: for a later detail. But I remember looking up and
Speaker 4: I saw this object and it was it's become very
Speaker 4: common to in the world of UFOs, but in nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety two, to a seven year old me, this was
Speaker 4: a foreign object. This was something I didn't understand or
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure what I was seeing. And it was
Speaker 4: a triangle moving horizontally across the sky, and it felt
Speaker 4: like it was low and none of the there was
Speaker 4: a light on each corner of this triangle, and none
Speaker 4: of them were blinking. And that stood out to me instantly,
Speaker 4: and I remember staring at it and staring at it,
Speaker 4: and it would have been maybe twenty seconds, and it
Speaker 4: was moving along low and weird, and there's no other
Speaker 4: way I can describe what my seven year old brain
Speaker 4: made of it other than that's low and that's weird
Speaker 4: and instantly for some reason, terrifying, confusing. Maybe my sister
Speaker 4: was in the car next to me. She would have
Speaker 4: been maybe looking out the other one now, regardless, she
Speaker 4: didn't see it. My mother didn't see it. I think
Speaker 4: my father was in the car too. I don't completely remember.
Speaker 4: Usually it was with my mom picking me up. Anyways,
Speaker 4: I'll always see that. The last time I passed through Huasson, Ontario,
Speaker 4: my wife and I we drove to that spot and
Speaker 4: I said, like, this is where that happened. And I
Speaker 4: kind of sat there and like it all came back.
Speaker 4: I remember after seeing it, looking out that window of
Speaker 4: the bedroom in my house that kind of went in
Speaker 4: the same direction over where I saw this.
Speaker 2: This thing, it was an object. It was it was
Speaker 2: a moving triangle. And what's notable is that like it
Speaker 2: was still daylight.
Speaker 4: I would it would have been at max six thirty
Speaker 4: seven pm when we were being picked up.
Speaker 2: It's July.
Speaker 4: That sun doesn't drop till like nine thirty at its most,
Speaker 4: at the latest that it sets, So this wasn't an
Speaker 4: experience where, you know, the light like I could see
Speaker 4: that there was a light on each point of this triangle,
Speaker 4: regardless of it was still it wasn't quite twilight, but
Speaker 4: it was still very much daylight out and I always
Speaker 4: felt that was notable.
Speaker 2: Anyways, time went on this. It was nineteen ninety three
Speaker 2: that The X Files.
Speaker 4: Debuted on TV, and instantly I was like, okay, Like
Speaker 4: there were a couple instances within that first season where
Speaker 4: it was like this, this feels like something that I
Speaker 4: was eight years old, you know, I was starting to
Speaker 4: get hooked on that. Later that summer, I believe it
Speaker 4: was Fire in the Sky was released into theaters, and
Speaker 4: I was still I was hooked on this UFO thing
Speaker 4: because I saw Ufo.
Speaker 2: I was telling myself, I saw Ufo, so I beg
Speaker 2: to go see the movie.
Speaker 4: My dad, I don't think had any idea that it
Speaker 4: was going to be like such a visually terrifying movie,
Speaker 4: and you know that amplified my interest and what did
Speaker 4: I see is going happened to me? What's going on
Speaker 4: throughout my childhood and my parents have showed me this
Speaker 4: and some of the workbooks from elementary school, and I
Speaker 4: think I tapped out of drawing this thing in you know,
Speaker 4: grade seven eight because it's getting like too cool for
Speaker 4: being the guy that saw Ufo.
Speaker 2: As a child.
Speaker 4: But there's pictures that I drew of this, like all
Speaker 4: over my work, like this is a Ufoi saw, this
Speaker 4: is ufoisaw. I remember there was a sci fi magazine
Speaker 4: and I don't know what it is, but I had
Speaker 4: always like a random if we were going on a
Speaker 4: long car ride, and then there's always a long car ride,
Speaker 4: you know, I might get a magazine and I would
Speaker 4: pick up like a magazine on Kung Fu or on
Speaker 4: like a monster truck, different every time. They're interesting to
Speaker 4: flip through. And I remember there was a sci Fi
Speaker 4: one I had and in the back it had a
Speaker 4: submission form and I don't know if it was for
Speaker 4: Uphon specifically, but it was for some organization. It was
Speaker 4: a submit your report of what you've seen, if you've
Speaker 4: seen something. I remember there was a diagram of the
Speaker 4: man with his arm raised up to the sky, and
Speaker 4: it's a I think it's as myth, Like at what
Speaker 4: level did.
Speaker 2: You see it at it?
Speaker 4: I remember ticking it off and drawing on it. I
Speaker 4: remember mailing it in and I don't know if anything
Speaker 4: ever happened to it. But this is where I think
Speaker 4: this story kind of like becomes more than this was
Speaker 4: something I saw in the sky as a child, and
Speaker 4: I can't confirm that it's a quote unquote UFO, but like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what it was, so I guess it was.
Speaker 2: So in twenty.
Speaker 4: Sixteen, I was working in community radio at that time
Speaker 4: and one of the people I was working with was
Speaker 4: like a producer and did some work for the CBC,
Speaker 4: and we were talking one night about about UFOs because
Speaker 4: I think there was something that was being done at
Speaker 4: the time by the CBC, and he was just bringing
Speaker 4: it up as a topic of conversation and I shared
Speaker 4: my story and he said, oh, and have you ever
Speaker 4: looked in to see if they have that report?
Speaker 2: So I said, oh, no, I never really did.
Speaker 4: So I started googling, and I started looking around and
Speaker 4: the different orgs that have data FO submissions and sightings
Speaker 4: and I couldn't find mine. I searched July nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 4: and then I searched maybe it was July ninety three,
Speaker 4: and there is nothing, nothing, nothing, but what I did
Speaker 4: find me too in Mississauga, Ontario, which is four hours
Speaker 4: south driving of Passan, Ontario, where I was. But you know,
Speaker 4: in aircraft, I've flown that in a commercial airplane that
Speaker 4: was half an hour, so it's not impossible that something
Speaker 4: that could be impossible could make itself back and forth.
Speaker 4: But regardless, there was an adult who submitted a sighting
Speaker 4: from Mississauga, Ontario who saw the same thing I did
Speaker 4: that same month I did as a child in nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety two. I always found that there's no smoking gun
Speaker 4: to this, and I don't think there ever will be.
Speaker 4: But that really really interested me further in that my
Speaker 4: interest has grown in like recent months, because in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, when all along the East coast of the
Speaker 4: United States there was all the mystery drone sightings.
Speaker 2: What is this? What is this?
Speaker 4: So many of those drones looked exactly like the thing
Speaker 4: I saw in nineteen ninety two. That's only highlighted a
Speaker 4: bit of interest because wasston Ontario is twenty minutes twenty
Speaker 4: five minute drive south of North Bay, Ontario, which is
Speaker 4: like the main economic center, if not for Sudbury, Ontario,
Speaker 4: in that northern Ontario sphere. So you know, both of
Speaker 4: my parents worked in North Bay, Ontario. They would drive
Speaker 4: into the city and then back out to where we
Speaker 4: lived every night. But also North Bay, Ontario at their
Speaker 4: Air Force base had a Norrad base that was like
Speaker 4: a three story bunker underground built into Airport Hill in
Speaker 4: North Bay.
Speaker 2: And as a kid, you grow up.
Speaker 4: In here like, oh, they have an alien at Norrad,
Speaker 4: or you know, if the war starts up, like North
Speaker 4: Bay is going to get nuked because the Norrad base
Speaker 4: is there, and that may have been like it. I
Speaker 4: think it was absolutely a target because it was a
Speaker 4: defense like operational, like huge, massive production. But I also
Speaker 4: it made me wonder if and I don't know, this
Speaker 4: is like the the what if section of my brain,
Speaker 4: but if what I saw in nineteen ninety two was
Speaker 4: like an early version of some sort of if not
Speaker 4: alien alien spacecraft or alien technology or technology that we're
Speaker 4: not you know, we weren't privy to, then maybe we're
Speaker 4: just seeing now thirty five years later, come to light.
Speaker 4: And that's these questions that keep kind of growing from this,
Speaker 4: this what did I see in the sky as a
Speaker 4: child too? Who can I talk to this about? And
Speaker 4: as a child it was nobody. I would make drawings
Speaker 4: and I would tell anybody who wanted to listen. But
Speaker 4: it's a weird thing, I think, to talk to a
Speaker 4: child about, especially back then. And this again was this
Speaker 4: was before the X files, like had popularized it to
Speaker 4: kids my age. You know, I grew up alongside other
Speaker 4: kids who got into the X files, and in the
Speaker 4: thirty something years since all anytime you point yourself in
Speaker 4: any direction of something in the sky, you see these
Speaker 4: like the black triangle or just the floating triangle. And
Speaker 4: we saw it against so much with the drones. And
Speaker 4: I don't know, at least what I think I saw.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think i'll ever know what I
Speaker 4: saw for sure, and I don't think there's any way
Speaker 4: to confirm what I saw. But it's left like a lasting,
Speaker 4: like a it's like a like a bruise, you know,
Speaker 4: like no one can really see it, but you know
Speaker 4: it's there, and it's like, oh that kind of it's
Speaker 4: a weird thing that doesn't. It's not going away. You're
Speaker 4: always sort of thinking of it. And anytime you see
Speaker 4: discussion on the like UAP disclosure in the United States,
Speaker 4: it's like, I wonder if what I saw was like
Speaker 4: something going on involved with all of this, but when
Speaker 4: I was just a boy. So that's what brought me
Speaker 4: interest in sharing my story of the experience I had
Speaker 4: as a child in northern Ontario.
Speaker 5: And you've been sharing that, Michael. You know this obviously
Speaker 5: has had quite a lasting impression on you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's always one of those like, you know,
Speaker 4: if people talked about, I don't know, like being in
Speaker 4: a jet ski accident, and you were in a jet
Speaker 4: ski accident, you'd be like, oh, I was in a
Speaker 4: jet ski accident once, but like like, yeah, I saw
Speaker 4: I think I saw UFO when I was a child,
Speaker 4: and it's I've thought about it a lot as a child,
Speaker 4: and I've continued up until the forty year old man
Speaker 4: i've become. I continue to think about this. It's caught
Speaker 4: my attention long.
Speaker 5: Term directly after Did you ever remember telling anyone about it?
Speaker 4: No, not directly, like I'd written on school pages and stuff,
Speaker 4: but I was afraid to talk to people about it.
Speaker 4: And that was amplified after watching Fire in the Sky
Speaker 4: the following year, where it's like, oh, is this what's
Speaker 4: going to happen to me if I do speak about
Speaker 4: like that movie specifically presented that like such a terrifying,
Speaker 4: you know, vision of like what extraterrestrial life could be like,
Speaker 4: and it wasn't et you know, so it definitely scared
Speaker 4: me away. I think from speaking to somebody about this
Speaker 4: until you know, I would just casually share it in
Speaker 4: conversation as a young adult, you know, if you're around
Speaker 4: friends and they're like, oh, I heard about it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw something as a But I mean, how seriously
Speaker 4: do I expect people to kind of take me in
Speaker 4: a casual This wasn't in a professional setting. I was
Speaker 4: a seven year old child, But I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: think it would hang with me if if it wasn't
Speaker 4: something like real or at least real to me.
Speaker 5: You mentioned that the drawing you done in your school books.
Speaker 5: Did you ever keep any of them?
Speaker 2: My parents have some.
Speaker 4: I actually took I took a photo of one of
Speaker 4: what the drawing looked like. I think I could probably
Speaker 4: find it. Yeah, I've seen it and it is. It's
Speaker 4: a it's a triangle with lights on the corners and
Speaker 4: light emitting from the center. And that's kind of I mean,
Speaker 4: it was with pencil crayons, and it's like a stick drawing. Really,
Speaker 4: it wasn't very detailed. But yeah, I could find a
Speaker 4: photo of it somewhere here. I know, I've taken a
Speaker 4: photo of it on the piece of paper at my
Speaker 4: parents' house.
Speaker 5: Good stuff. Yeah, if you send that to us, what is?
Speaker 5: I put that on the website below your episode so
Speaker 5: people can go check it out. I love when people
Speaker 5: do that, when people do sketches from decades ago.
Speaker 4: Well, I wish I had that submission for him. I
Speaker 4: wish I could figure out who I sent that to
Speaker 4: or Oh, yeah, I don't know if you can see
Speaker 4: on the web came there?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, okay, so Michael shumm me his little drawer
Speaker 5: in there, and he's he's got a red light in
Speaker 5: the top leading edge of the triangle and amber lights
Speaker 5: on the bottoms.
Speaker 2: But it was moving.
Speaker 4: It wasn't moving towards. It was moving like away and up,
Speaker 4: but it was low. It was I don't know, I
Speaker 4: thought it was. It was weird enough to dig this
Speaker 4: much of a hole in my brain for this long,
Speaker 4: for this many years, And it wasn't so much like
Speaker 4: it looked like it was more stood up kind of
Speaker 4: like this, rather than like like perpendicular to the ground.
Speaker 4: I feel like there was almost no nose, Like I
Speaker 4: could just see that there was a triangle floating like
Speaker 4: from the left to the from the right to the left,
Speaker 4: across the sky lower. But I couldn't grasp the scope
Speaker 4: of like we weren't underneath it. It was far enough away.
Speaker 4: It wasn't over top of the car. It was like
Speaker 4: in the distance but not too far because I could
Speaker 4: see that it was above the trees where.
Speaker 2: The lake was, and but barren in mind that you
Speaker 2: you know, you were seven, I was seven. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was also seven well, but speed wise, like slower than
Speaker 2: you would expect. Well, it was low.
Speaker 4: So when a plane is low, like, they always look
Speaker 4: like they're going fast, especially if they's they're not landing anywhere,
Speaker 4: so like lower but faster than you would see. It's
Speaker 4: hard to gauge because I've seen so many planes pass by,
Speaker 4: and like you know, I have the flight tracker hap
Speaker 4: and I'm always like, oh, I wonder what that is,
Speaker 4: and it's a shipping plane going across, so and it
Speaker 4: doesn't move like any of those. It was like a
Speaker 4: Everything was like uniform going across like all three like
Speaker 4: lighted points. I'd like left right, almost got a fast
Speaker 4: hover rather than like anything that looks like it's propelled
Speaker 4: by something.
Speaker 2: Almost.
Speaker 5: Okay, you had quite a few seconds, last about twenty seconds.
Speaker 4: Well I think it lasted longer than our car because
Speaker 4: we were driving along the road too. So eventually we
Speaker 4: hit tree line and I lose everything. There's a there's
Speaker 4: a building that used to be called the Funny Farm,
Speaker 4: which was they had like donkeys and they had like
Speaker 4: rabbits and stuff, and they also had a candy store.
Speaker 4: But that building was the cutoff from where I stopped
Speaker 4: seeing this object as we drove by it. And then
Speaker 4: there's there's enough forest that it's gone. It's behind there somewhere.
Speaker 5: Okay, do you remember what your immediate reaction was to
Speaker 5: see in it?
Speaker 4: Like it was like this weird keep your mouth shut
Speaker 4: kind of like don't say it wasn't like look at this.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why I didn't, because there's potentially
Speaker 4: this could have caught like saved me a lot of
Speaker 4: grief if I was like, look at that, and my
Speaker 4: mother was like, oh, that's like this type of helicopter
Speaker 4: or something like that, which again I don't think it was,
Speaker 4: but I didn't tell anybody. It was a weird what
Speaker 4: did I see? Like, the interest peaked after I saw
Speaker 4: it in other media, like in the following years it's like, no,
Speaker 4: that looks like what I saw, and that looks like
Speaker 4: what I saw, because at first, by definition, it was
Speaker 4: a UFO, but it wasn't like a flying saucer, you know,
Speaker 4: like all the media I had consumed the like referenced
Speaker 4: UFOs at that point, or like the idea of a
Speaker 4: UFO was like a cartoon alien, you know, like a
Speaker 4: Martian riding a flying saucer on the side of a
Speaker 4: birthday gift wrap or something.
Speaker 2: Because I was seven years old, that was.
Speaker 4: My knowledge of this subject up till that point in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety two, when it was now, okay, that's not
Speaker 4: a flying saucer, but that's something in the sky and
Speaker 4: it's not like it doesn't look like any plane I've
Speaker 4: ever seen, and it's not a helicopter. It's three lights
Speaker 4: moving lower than I normally see things, but in a
Speaker 4: way that is like uniform across It doesn't look like
Speaker 4: tail wing lights on a plane where you can kind
Speaker 4: of tell the distance between them was like even so
Speaker 4: I don't know, the plane would have to be moving
Speaker 4: across the sky with its nose completely up left to
Speaker 4: right and its tailed like you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like kind of like side shuffling somehow for that to
Speaker 4: make sense in my head that it was a plane.
Speaker 4: It was always that's a triangle, you know, sure?
Speaker 5: And years later, you know, having seen the same shape
Speaker 5: objects being witnessed and reported, So that's like confirmation for you,
Speaker 5: isn't it?
Speaker 2: Well, it really did feel like one.
Speaker 4: Is this confirmation that I didn't invent this thing in
Speaker 4: my brain as a child to keep myself busy, like,
Speaker 4: am is there something?
Speaker 2: Because I always felt like, well did I?
Speaker 4: I'm sure I saw that, but maybe there's something else
Speaker 4: happening there, you know, because no one else saw it
Speaker 4: or whatever. But the more I saw it in media,
Speaker 4: like the what's it at three RB is like the
Speaker 4: TR three B, I get those confused the like classic
Speaker 4: like black triangle military looking spaceship. I didn't see the
Speaker 4: like black definition of this. It was very much the
Speaker 4: triangle lighting, which was much more similar to a lot
Speaker 4: of the drone footage that I saw come out like
Speaker 4: a year and a half ago or two years ago,
Speaker 4: or whatever it was.
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Speaker 5: And when you told your parents today, was it more
Speaker 5: of a like a pound a head and sent you
Speaker 5: on your way or tod they listen to you.
Speaker 2: I don't think I really told them about it.
Speaker 4: I think they saw it in my schoolwork, like much
Speaker 4: later after it's been collected, and I remember talking to
Speaker 4: them about it, probably like after i'd already left home
Speaker 4: in my twenties, gone a visit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw it. It was down Highway five thirty four.
Speaker 2: It was right by.
Speaker 4: Elaine, who was a woman who babys had us buy
Speaker 4: her house before the Funny Farm. We were driving home
Speaker 4: and they know the spot.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It just felt like something I couldn't tell my parents.
Speaker 4: Not that I had done something bad or wrong, but
Speaker 4: like I don't think I could process it myself, So
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how to.
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't have like the language or like
Speaker 4: confidence I guess to try to explain that to my
Speaker 4: parents at that age.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's understandable.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: You build out a report in a magazine years and
Speaker 5: years ago, but never too late, far a new report
Speaker 5: and just with as much details as you can, because
Speaker 5: you'll be surprised that people which light yourself, you know,
Speaker 5: droll through these reports to see if anyone else that's
Speaker 5: in specific to towns whatever, you know, also trying to
Speaker 5: get answers themselves. So it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Speaker 5: I mean, historic counts not a problem. You know, people
Speaker 5: always go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 4: Actually I should do that because I mean the town
Speaker 4: I'm from is small enough that if you were to
Speaker 4: search that, it would be one of like a handful
Speaker 4: of hits if you search it plus UFO, and that
Speaker 4: would certainly bring it up and had I seen somebody else,
Speaker 4: you know, saw that from paasstin Ontario in that time
Speaker 4: period like that would that would well, one, I would
Speaker 4: probably know them indirectly somehow from growing up, but it
Speaker 4: would also have been like massive woke more than the
Speaker 4: people who saw it in Mississauga. That would have been
Speaker 4: like very much a confirmation that that we both saw
Speaker 4: something going on up there.
Speaker 5: Of course, even just like on town Facebook groups put
Speaker 5: out a post, you might get hit on that, but
Speaker 5: of course it was you know, it was a long
Speaker 5: time ago. When people age and people's memories change, there's
Speaker 5: always that option. So now, Michael, when you look up
Speaker 5: to the sky, how do you feel, are you always
Speaker 5: searching for that of a sight in there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's been so many times. My wife and I
Speaker 4: there's like a great park behind where we live. Well
Speaker 4: it's a it's a good park, but at night it's
Speaker 4: completely empty. So we go back there sometimes and look
Speaker 4: up at the sky and we get to see so
Speaker 4: much more than we did we were living in the city,
Speaker 4: because in Toronto you just see planes and that's it.
Speaker 2: But here, you know, we got to see.
Speaker 4: The northern lights from our from our balcony. At one point,
Speaker 4: which is we're in southern Ontario. That's it's really cool
Speaker 4: to be able to see that from so far.
Speaker 2: But we'll often look like.
Speaker 4: Oh, I wonder what that is, and I've never seen
Speaker 4: anything close to what I saw. We were in Arizona
Speaker 4: together on our honeymoon a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 4: there was a good two or three minutes I was like,
Speaker 4: that's a U phone. It's moving so weird, and we
Speaker 4: were trying to get coverage on our phone. We're Canadians,
Speaker 4: so we had like a dodgy SIM card and trying
Speaker 4: to get coverage to figure out on flight tracker, what
Speaker 4: are we looking at?
Speaker 2: Where are we looking?
Speaker 4: And after two or three minutes of me going, that's
Speaker 4: got to be We're seeing the EU a phone in
Speaker 4: the desert. This is so cool, this is what we
Speaker 4: want it turned. It was totally just a plane like
Speaker 4: doing a weird turned in front of us. But as
Speaker 4: much as I'm always looking and as much as we're
Speaker 4: sometimes standing out back going you know, it would be
Speaker 4: really cool right now if it just happens, they all
Speaker 4: just come out of the sky right now. It's like here,
Speaker 4: it is just something to break up what we're seeing.
Speaker 4: NonStop on the news every single day, and it's just
Speaker 4: just give.
Speaker 2: Us to it, you know.
Speaker 4: Come now, now's a good time to come. And if
Speaker 4: you're gonna stop everything and like make world peace, let's
Speaker 4: do it. If you're not, let's do the other thing too.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything close to what I saw. Is
Speaker 4: everything I see now thankfully too. With an app, you
Speaker 4: can I can confirm that's a plane. That's that's like
Speaker 4: a rescue helicopter, so it's moving weird. That's somebody in
Speaker 4: like a biplane flying around. I haven't seen anything that
Speaker 4: looks like that triangle I saw as a child.
Speaker 5: And of course this image will always stare with you now.
Speaker 5: I mean, these days there's there's more air traffic obviously,
Speaker 5: and there's more satellites flying around, you know, which is
Speaker 5: a bit frustrating sometimes. But you know, we have all
Speaker 5: these apps so we can search things pretty quickly. So
Speaker 5: if you're out there and you see something strange, download
Speaker 5: these apps if you can, and then then double check.
Speaker 5: As much as we love mystery, you know, it's always
Speaker 5: good to get answers to the things we're seeing.
Speaker 4: And it's fascinating to see how much you said, like
Speaker 4: there's there's an entire like netting web of like what
Speaker 4: like several competing like internet providers now like going around
Speaker 4: the globe, and how much like freight traffic there is
Speaker 4: going above you, and and you know, like private jets
Speaker 4: just kind of cruising by, and those are all things
Speaker 4: that Yeah, because of an app, now you can easily
Speaker 4: confirm like that's a plane, that's a plane, that's a plane,
Speaker 4: that's a plane.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. That's really interesting exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and if anything, you get to learn what's up there.
Speaker 5: You know, you get to learn the stars and all
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff, which is you know, which is
Speaker 5: great for anyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you got to think, like our ability to
Speaker 4: see that stuff is just fading away. I don't know
Speaker 4: how the more space junk and tech that we throw
Speaker 4: up there, the less we're gonna see of like that
Speaker 4: natural what has been in the sky since time. It's
Speaker 4: definitely worth taking a look on like a very clear night,
Speaker 4: like just spending some time letting your eyes adjust.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're in a great place. I mean you
Speaker 5: get to see the northern lights and everything. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's one thing that I've never seen and the one
Speaker 5: time we actually did have it low enough in the
Speaker 5: United Kingdom. I was away. I completely missed it, and
Speaker 5: me and my wife has said, you know, we'd always
Speaker 5: go up to Scandinavia Iceland try and get the view
Speaker 5: of the license. We just haven't made it yet. Maybe
Speaker 5: for our anniversary or something, we might try and book that.
Speaker 2: That'd be nice. Yeah, absolutely, I know.
Speaker 5: You said you did community radio before. I used to
Speaker 5: do anything like that.
Speaker 4: No, unfortunately, No, I used to. I mean it was
Speaker 4: at one point I was doing five shows a week.
Speaker 4: I was doing like all these different themed like I
Speaker 4: did a show that took place in a fake pub
Speaker 4: and I had like voice actors play like the like
Speaker 4: the barkeep, and then regulars and they would come up
Speaker 4: and request stuff and I would play it and and
Speaker 4: people would actually like write in be like where's this bar,
Speaker 4: Like I want to come hang out. It's like no,
Speaker 4: it's this world I built. And then I had Oh
Speaker 4: I used to do like a calendarized like what's going
Speaker 4: on in the city show. And I did a show
Speaker 4: called make You a Mixtapehere. I made like a mixtape
Speaker 4: for a Canadian person place or thing. I just did
Speaker 4: over like eight years, I did thousands of hours of
Speaker 4: just radio and themed episodes of stuff and i' burnt
Speaker 4: myself well out on it and I haven't done anything
Speaker 4: in years now.
Speaker 5: See that's a fantastic idea. It's like the old time
Speaker 5: radio dramas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 4: It was called Last Orders and the place was called
Speaker 4: the Richmond Arms, So I just picked it so so
Speaker 4: generic kind of and yeah, it was all music you
Speaker 4: would hear played in a pub on a Wednesday night
Speaker 4: from midnight to close, and that's when the show aired.
Speaker 2: And it was based on my experiences DJing.
Speaker 4: At bars where they would give you like a Wednesday
Speaker 4: night to dj, and it was awful and you would
Speaker 4: just play like really depressing stuff till you close and
Speaker 4: get everyone out of there.
Speaker 2: So it was all like sad music. It was lively.
Speaker 4: Every episode would have kind of like a theme to it,
Speaker 4: and at the end, the pub owner sells the bar
Speaker 4: and that's like the last episode.
Speaker 2: I closed it off like that.
Speaker 5: And was that just only on the radio?
Speaker 3: That was a no.
Speaker 4: That's still all of it's archived online on mixed cloud.
Speaker 4: That was on a community radio station that a friend
Speaker 4: and I ran in Toronto called TRP It was called
Speaker 4: Toronto Radio Project and it was like heavily influenced from
Speaker 4: like NTS and then also like WFMU in New Jersey,
Speaker 4: so it was like a blend of There was like
Speaker 4: a lot of techno and there was a lot of
Speaker 4: like UK garage on the station. Actually there was a
Speaker 4: lot of expats. The guy I ran it with was
Speaker 4: from like Huddersfield or something up by Manchester. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: but yeah, that was on that station. And I aired
Speaker 4: it like Wednesday's Midnight twelve to two as it was
Speaker 4: made to sound like it was live to air kind
Speaker 4: of thing from this bars we were closing down. It
Speaker 4: was a lot of It was my most like conceptual
Speaker 4: the radio shows I did, and it got it got
Speaker 4: like a shout out in like our national newspaper here
Speaker 4: while the Toronto Star, the UK Guardian wrote about it
Speaker 4: when they were like reviewing best online stations, they mentioned it,
Speaker 4: which was interesting.
Speaker 2: Or no, sorry, the Telegraph wrote about it. Yeah it
Speaker 2: wasn't the Guardian, but yeah that was cool.
Speaker 3: That was just like this.
Speaker 4: We ran it in the basement of a vintage shop
Speaker 4: and then eventually we moved up to like a storefront
Speaker 4: where like people could walk in and like hang out
Speaker 4: and beyond the raid, well beyond the Internet radio, and
Speaker 4: then I worked at a college campus community station for
Speaker 4: like four years after that in Toronto.
Speaker 5: Wonderful. Well, you know, if you ever get back into that,
Speaker 5: I think there's so many podcasts out there which are
Speaker 5: so say. I mean, I grew up with radio.
Speaker 2: I love radio.
Speaker 5: In fact, I kind of base this show in a
Speaker 5: manner of speaking with Art Bell. I was always a
Speaker 5: huge Art Belfa.
Speaker 2: Oh I love I have.
Speaker 4: I have like it's like seventeen hundred episodes on a
Speaker 4: media server here, and every night before I go to bed,
Speaker 4: I find a day in the past, like September tenth,
Speaker 4: two thousand or whatever. I find that episode and I
Speaker 4: listen to it and I go, Okay, this is what
Speaker 4: was happening like twenty four years ago today.
Speaker 5: Great idea. That's what I love. Yeah, when you listen
Speaker 5: to him and he's talking about Clinton, and he's talking
Speaker 5: about stuff which is happening, and that was something wine
Speaker 5: for the show, and so so many of our guests,
Speaker 5: you know, including yourself. You know, you come on, they're
Speaker 5: not just sharing lights in the sky, sharing things. They
Speaker 5: were into the things they would they would doing. You know,
Speaker 5: you were describing a video game which just like your
Speaker 5: small town. You just yeah, one gas station all that.
Speaker 5: And that's what I love. I love listening to It's
Speaker 5: not just about the unexplained elements. It's all about people's lives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wanted a world, build a little bit and
Speaker 4: put it into place, because you say, like small town Canada,
Speaker 4: you think maybe like the Arctic almost, or you think
Speaker 4: just like lumberjacks and stuff. But like this was like
Speaker 4: a farming like rural community, you know, just off the highway.
Speaker 4: I don't know why it started, but it's there and
Speaker 4: there's like twelve hundred people and that's it and it'll
Speaker 4: never get any bigger and da da da da dah.
Speaker 4: But it was like really cool being a child in
Speaker 4: that talent because you had free run of the entire
Speaker 4: until the highway. You could go in anyone's backyard, you
Speaker 4: could everybody knew each other, everyone was cool with everyone
Speaker 4: else's kids. You could just whatever, and it was a
Speaker 4: really cool like community to grow up in. But by
Speaker 4: like thirteen fourteen, and I really want to get out
Speaker 4: of that sort of smaller sort of environment.
Speaker 5: To everyone was out there and experience that same kind
Speaker 5: of thing growing up, go for your teenage years wanting
Speaker 5: to get out of it and see the world and
Speaker 5: all that, and then when you get older you want
Speaker 5: to go back to that life simpler times.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean I if housing didn't explode there
Speaker 4: since I lived there, I would love to go back
Speaker 4: and live in that small town again, you know, once
Speaker 4: I'm kind of done with what I want to do
Speaker 4: around the city, that would be.
Speaker 2: That'd be a cool place to kind of age out,
Speaker 2: you know where I started.
Speaker 5: Now to our listeners, Michael does have his own studio.
Speaker 5: That's why Mike is so so clear, so crystal clear.
Speaker 5: What are you doing at the minute, if you don't
Speaker 5: mind me asking, Michael, But.
Speaker 4: I'm doing a bunch of like little things, trying to
Speaker 4: piece them together into like one main thing which hasn't
Speaker 4: happened yet. But I have an online vintage arts store.
Speaker 4: It's on Instagram at time Passages shop. I'm kind of
Speaker 4: piecing together a lot of little things here post community radio.
Speaker 5: Life, great stuff. Well, Michael, I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 5: on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem, Thanks for having me. This is cool.
Speaker 4: I always love the idea of like like again. Like
Speaker 4: open calls or bell like it's every night I listen
Speaker 4: to it. And producing more of that into the world
Speaker 4: is good. I mean, people love sharing their experiences and
Speaker 4: listening to them too.
Speaker 2: So they do.
Speaker 5: Indeed, it does happen now and again, where I'd have
Speaker 5: so many emails in that say that guest that you
Speaker 5: had from their experience in nineteen seventy one, I was
Speaker 5: on that highway and I saw the same thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's rare, mind, but it does happen, so hopefully.
Speaker 4: Still, that's cool. That's what you want. You want confirmation
Speaker 4: that you know you're not alone in this, like it's
Speaker 4: it's a thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the good news is, Michael, we're not alone. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: It's been wonderful to meet and Michael. Okay, take care
Speaker 5: and we will speak, Okay, God, have a good day. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you take care bye, Okay, Bye. Well that's all
Speaker 5: for this episode. Keep updated and connected with the show
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Speaker 5: encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you
Speaker 5: can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
Speaker 5: or you can recheck to me via a contact page
Speaker 5: on my website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big
Speaker 5: thank you to DJ and Michael for sharing tonight, and
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 2: All for listening.
Speaker 5: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 5: and keep watching the skies.
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