WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:06.440 a UFO hanging in? We don't want. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:09.480 To report every thirty one. Do you wish to report a. 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:12.640 UFO over hey, we want to one of. 5 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.239 Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a 6 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:17.320 report of any kind of it? 7 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:22.640 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time areas 8 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:23.120 thirty one? 9 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:24.960 Me neither there. 10 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.359 See if it was. 11 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:31.199 Anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty. 12 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:34.759 Seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay, 13 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:39.960 OFFI the UFO. Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, 14 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.600 I'll just passed over, I go. 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:45.119 I don't know what it was, but it's from at 16 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:47.679 least to three thousand feet above us. See, I passed 17 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:49.159 out over the top of US. 18 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.479 Ninety one one. 19 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.359 You just called up to me before. 20 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:58.640 They're after staying the airplanes. 21 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.520 He is. 22 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:07.519 To God on an unidentified object, every liberty or call 23 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:10.200 or calm on an unidentified flying object. 24 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:19.120 A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share 25 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:24.400 their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had 26 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.519 an encounter, I would like to be on the show. 27 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.519 You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 28 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:51.799 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you doing? 29 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:55.400 I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast. 30 00:01:55.719 --> 00:02:00.760 Tonight's episode DJ from Rural Ireland recounting his twenty twenty 31 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.879 three encounter in County Longford, where he and his wife 32 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:08.240 witnessed a massive black triangle craft with fiery orange lights 33 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:12.479 alongside this site. In DJ SHARE's chilling experiences from his youth, 34 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:17.000 including a seance gone wrong, a violent paranormal event after 35 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.120 reciting our father in a mirror, and a night in 36 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:24.240 Ireland's most haunted room. Then we traveled to Canada with Michael, 37 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:26.759 who was only seven years old when he saw a 38 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:30.560 silent black triangle cross the sky above his hometown in 39 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:32.199 July of nineteen ninety. 40 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:32.439 Two. 41 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.719 Decades later, he discovered another sighting from the very same 42 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.360 month in a city just hours away, reinforcing what he 43 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.000 saw was real. Michael reflects on that single moment shaped 44 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.520 a lifetime of curiosity about the skies. DJ is up next, 45 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.960 but first, if you enjoyed a show and you would 46 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.879 like to help support the podcast on Patreon, you can 47 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.199 do this for as little as one dollar a month. 48 00:02:56.319 --> 00:02:59.919 Head on over to patreon dot com Forward slash Ufo 49 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.800 Chronicles podcast. You can also find a link in the 50 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.479 description of this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. 51 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:24.680 Now on with the show. Hello DJ, Welcome to the podcast. 52 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:26.319 Hi Nick, great to be here. 53 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.039 It is great to have you with us. And you're 54 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.560 calling from Ireland. 55 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.240 That's correct, I'm calling from rural Ireland. Very quiet place, 56 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:35.159 very green, very. 57 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:39.520 Quiet, wonderful green and great country air. Now you have 58 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.439 some experiences to share with us. Would you like start 59 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:43.479 at the beginning, please, sir? 60 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:46.919 I will, indeed, I suppose The first thing I'd have 61 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:49.879 to say is I'm a lawyer and my wife, who's 62 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.840 involved in this story, is also a lawyer. So we're 63 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.000 very kind of grounded people. You know. We don't wear 64 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.439 a lot of beads, and we're not chanting at the 65 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.919 moon or anything like that. We're very ordinary conservative people 66 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.879 and we're very kind of traditional beliefs, and so I 67 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.639 just wanted to preface what I'm going to say with 68 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.280 that we're not looking for attention or anything like that. 69 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.759 That's why I'm not using my real name for example. 70 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:20.240 But what basically what happened was was on the seventeenth 71 00:04:20.720 --> 00:04:24.040 of February twenty twenty three, my wife and I went 72 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:27.439 for a walk, as we do most evenings, in a 73 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:32.560 village called bally Mahan in County Longford, and we were 74 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.680 walking along and suddenly three very bright lights appeared through 75 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.360 the clouds. And as they came they were a very 76 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.600 distinct color, which becomes important later. They were a fiery orange, 77 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.000 and they were as big as the brightest star in 78 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.560 the sky, say the morning star of the evening star. 79 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:54.160 And they as they approached closer, they're obviously in a 80 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.879 triangle formation, as three can only be a black A 81 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:04.639 matte black triangle appeared with these three light points bin 82 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.639 at its corners. It then started to move. This triangle 83 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:13.519 started to move in circles randomly, and next thing, there 84 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:17.240 were two other orbs, we'd call them, these orange fiery orbs, 85 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:21.600 moving around the triangle, and they were moving rapidly across 86 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.920 the sky. It was not any type of plane, it 87 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.199 wasn't any type of star. It wasn't starlink, which I've 88 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:33.000 seen elon Musk's aerial abomination. It wasn't a meteor. I've 89 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.240 seen plenty of those. We lived in the countryside. We're 90 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.439 used to seeing meteor shooting stars, etc. It wasn't anything 91 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.639 like that, and they were able to go from one 92 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:44.399 side of the horizon to the other basically in the 93 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.399 blink of an eye. I like to take things in 94 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.959 and I'm not a big fan of phones, actually, so 95 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.160 I asked my wife if she would do the honors 96 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.600 with her phone and get some footage. She took a 97 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:58.439 few photographs, and only at the end did she take 98 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.480 a small bit of footage where you could see some 99 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.720 of the lights moving in a kind of a violent 100 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.639 pattern near the near the horizon. I'll come back to 101 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:09.759 those images in a minute. So we walked on and 102 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.120 we said, my god, that we were stunned. What was that? 103 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.319 We walked on. About ten minutes later, three further lights, 104 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.959 the same lights appeared in the sky the same direction, 105 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.839 a southerly direction, and just appeared briefly and disappeared. And 106 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.839 that was the full content of our experience. But we 107 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:33.680 look back then at what my wife had photographed, and 108 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.439 it was a triangle with the three light points, and 109 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:42.079 we have that photograph and the video just shows, you know, 110 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:47.160 the these orange orbs just moving very rapidly and erratically 111 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:52.279 near the horizon. The craft was very large, very large. 112 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.800 It would not be less than each side, would not 113 00:06:54.879 --> 00:06:59.040 be less than one hundred meters in length, and we 114 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.319 didn't feel threatened. There was no subtext communication or anything 115 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.680 like that. Then that basically was our experience. And then 116 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:10.240 we googled a UFO's Ireland. Now up to that point, 117 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:13.160 I had absolutely no interest in UFOs. I was of 118 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.800 the Mars Attacks school, sharing the cultural skepticism that's popular 119 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:22.800 with this topic. But we googled UFO Ireland and a 120 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:27.319 book cover came up called Conspiracy of Silence UFOs in 121 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:31.480 Ireland by Dermott Butler and Carl Nlly. And what is 122 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:35.519 bizarre is there's a picture on the cover of that 123 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:39.279 book which is a black triangle with three lights at 124 00:07:39.319 --> 00:07:44.079 the points and each light being that orange flame color. 125 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.240 We were flabbergasted when we saw that, So we obviously 126 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.120 weren't the first people to see this phenomenon in Irish skies. 127 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.399 So Nick, that's basically the UFO experience I had. 128 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.839 Oh, interesting, Staff, This is sometimes the reason why people 129 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:03.000 get involved in the subject is because no interest in 130 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:05.399 before and I've seen something strange, So this kind of 131 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:06.160 stuck out for you. 132 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:06.800 DJ. 133 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:10.480 Yes, well, obviously I've been My eyes have been to 134 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.519 the skies when i'm walking since that time, and I've 135 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:17.120 started to listen to podcasts like your own for example. 136 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.759 You know, but I haven't seen anything since I saw 137 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:23.079 the starlink once. That was it. But I haven't seen anything, 138 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.560 not even a flash, and that can. We live on 139 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.040 a farm out in the countryside. We've on unoccluded views 140 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:33.200 of the skies. There's no ambient background light going into 141 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.559 the visibility into the sky, so the visibility is excellent. 142 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:40.240 And I have not seen a single thing like what 143 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.799 I saw in February twenty twenty three, nothing like it. 144 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.120 So but I'm a convert to there have been something there, something. 145 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.039 Well exactly, you've seen it. You live out in the 146 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.240 country and used to these these starlink satellites fill in 147 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.480 the sky, and you must be used to drones too. 148 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.879 Oh yeah. I've actually seen some low flying military drones. 149 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.720 I'm assuming they're American because they were very, very large 150 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.240 and silent, which have flown over our house. And I 151 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.759 have seen two meteorites. One of them was very large 152 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:14.679 and I think there's some copper base because they were green, 153 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.519 and I heard one of them hit the ground even 154 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.919 quite near quite near our house. It was a huge 155 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.639 flash in the sky. We just saw this ball and 156 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:25.639 then there was a sound. So you know, we're not 157 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.600 we're not going to jump to conclusions when we see 158 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.240 anything in the sky that it's a UFO or anything 159 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:35.440 like that. So but this was of a completely different nature, 160 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.759 and it's consistent with other reported sightings of which we 161 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.159 were completely unaware. So I think that that does add 162 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.240 a lot of credibility. And obviously having the photographs helps. 163 00:09:46.320 --> 00:09:48.080 I was a bit disappointed my wife and take a 164 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.639 video of everything, because obviously we'd have licensed that now 165 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:53.919 for a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Now I'm joking, 166 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:56.559 but you know, the photographs. Photographs are as good as 167 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.000 you can get on an iPhone. This is another thing. 168 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.799 And but the video, although it's very short, that shows 169 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:07.240 you the true color and nature of the movement of 170 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.480 these of the orbs and the vehicle. But the thing 171 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.200 about it was it didn't have a normal flight plan. 172 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:17.320 It was very erratic and I've never seen anything whatsoever 173 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:20.399 like it since. But I'm confident that it was something 174 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.960 belonged to the phenomenon of UAP or UFOs. 175 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.320 You said the flight path was a bit erratic. Do 176 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:31.120 you mean that it wasn't a linear path? It absolutely wasn't. 177 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.279 Nick So it would fly maybe ten or fifteen degrees 178 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:37.559 of the sky in one direction, then it would go 179 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.639 straight up, then it would make go a circle, then 180 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.320 it would go back where it came from, and then 181 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.159 it would fade back into the clouds because it actually 182 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:49.840 was cloudy, and then come back through the clouds again 183 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:53.120 so we could see it. I'd say the whole experience 184 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.840 lasted about three minutes. First experience, I would say, and 185 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.360 the second sighting lasted about thirty seconds. But they were 186 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:04.559 undoubtedly the same objects, There's no doubt about it. 187 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:07.879 And the light on the front did it? Did it 188 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:08.879 have a leading edge? 189 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:12.600 It did well, now that it wasn't an equilateral triangle. 190 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.039 The leading edge the longer side that had a light 191 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:18.720 at the point, as I had the two rear points. 192 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.879 But now now that now that you say it it 193 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.639 actually did travel on the leading edge side. Forgot to 194 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:29.200 mention that there was absolutely no sound whatsoever. And you 195 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.639 know we have we're on a flight path here, and 196 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.240 we're used to certain flights during the night. You hear 197 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.320 them going over a long way over. Now there's no 198 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:42.240 airport near us, but you know, you would hear a sound, 199 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:45.799 whether it was delayed or the Doppler effect or whatever. 200 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:50.159 But there was absolutely no sound whatsoever from what we saw. 201 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.720 Nothing did you hear of possibly of anyone now Dallas 202 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:56.720 had seen it. I know, it's like in the country, 203 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.320 no news travels fast, maybe in a local newspaper anything 204 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:00.519 like that. 205 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.320 Well, we reported to the local newspaper and they published 206 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:08.279 it and the Irish Aviation Authority reverted to them saying 207 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.559 that nothing was in the sky at that time, which 208 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.919 I'm not surprised at, but it's good. It's good to me. 209 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:17.120 That just confirms that it wasn't an aircraft. That's what 210 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:20.360 That's what's very important. The second thing is around here, 211 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:25.320 it's very, very sparsely populated. I'm not surprised that nobody 212 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:28.720 else thought. It's not surprised at all. And the other 213 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.600 thing is, as you know, there is a shyness we 214 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:35.679 call it unwillingness to come forward in relation to these 215 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.039 type of experiences. In fact, I mean I had to 216 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.840 think very carefully coming even on this podcast, because you know, 217 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.080 I didn't want to be perceived as some sort of 218 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:48.200 a UFO nutjob like I used to think, like the 219 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.480 Mars attacks type image of people who believe in UFOs. 220 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:53.559 But I'm a convert, now that's for certain. 221 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:55.960 So you are wearing those beads, now. 222 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.879 Yeah, I've got the purple streak and act and sackcloth 223 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:02.240 onnick good stuff. 224 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.120 Well, you know, I mean to be honest with you, 225 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.600 DJ the amount of people which reach out to me 226 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.919 and they are in exactly the same position. You know, 227 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.320 They've got top jobs, very very professional jobs, and they say, 228 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.159 you know, you're going to think I'm crazy, but this 229 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.159 is what I saw. I've got no interest in that. 230 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.480 The subject, I've got no interest in whatsoever. You know, 231 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:21.759 I don't drink, I don't take drugs, but this is 232 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:22.559 what I witnessed. 233 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.559 I completely believe that. And we were in Bergen in 234 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.639 Norway late last year and in the hotel we were 235 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.960 saying there was a number of pilots staying and I 236 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:38.279 was just at the reception desk and a captain of 237 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.879 a plane just pulled in beside me at the reception 238 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:43.639 desk and we just got chatting. He was a Norwegian 239 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:46.600 chap and I asked him, have you ever seen UFOs? 240 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.679 And he said, yeah, all the time. It's normal. That's 241 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:53.320 what he said. And then he said the only other 242 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.519 comment he made was the further north you go, the 243 00:13:56.639 --> 00:13:59.879 more you see. And this was just a this was 244 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:04.679 as dry as bread conversation, just totally factual. There was 245 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:07.000 no drink taken. It was in the middle of the day, 246 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.360 and he said he sees them all the time. And 247 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.639 I think it's it's kind of like it's just something 248 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.480 pilots don't don't don't shout about. But I thought it 249 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.279 was interesting the way he said, the further north you go, 250 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.879 the more likely you are to see them, based on 251 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.559 these you know, proported basis or whatever they're meant to 252 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.840 exist at the polls. I just thought that was interesting. 253 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.600 But that man was also very credible. Yeah. 254 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:36.559 Absolutely, Yeah, the amount of pilots and people in ATC 255 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:40.039 that do see stuff but they don't get reported because 256 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.519 also a lot of time to just be flying a desk, 257 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.120 you know, And it's a shame really because there's a 258 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.200 lot of points out there which probably have some fantastic stories. 259 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.559 I'd say they do. The other thing that you know, 260 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.639 you asked me to have a think about, where there 261 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.440 any other unusual things I experienced during my life, and 262 00:14:57.080 --> 00:14:59.919 there were actually two. Now I know, the average par 263 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.039 comes on one of these podcasts telling you they have 264 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.960 an invisible friend who comes every night at three o'clock 265 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.480 in the morning and they're seeing, you know, tall gray 266 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:12.320 strangers in their garden every five minutes. But this is 267 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:15.399 this isn't anything like that. I have to think back 268 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.879 on my life, and there actually were a couple of 269 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.399 things that happened that were extremely out of the ordinary. 270 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:23.919 You go right ahead, DJ, we'd love to hear it. 271 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.440 Okay, Well, the first ones when I was younger, you 272 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.960 met the films like The Omen and things like that 273 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.519 were on television and The Exorcist, et cetera. And I 274 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:38.039 developed an unhealthy interest in Ouiji boards. And I had 275 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.519 a couple of friends there now one of the same 276 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.240 guys are One of them is a doctor now and 277 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:47.480 the other is as another doctor. So these were clever 278 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.840 enough guys, and together we researched how to do a 279 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:54.919 formal saance with invocations and all the rest. So we 280 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.159 had our first seance in a library in our local town. 281 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.360 And you have to have a focus. We had a 282 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:05.159 folded up piece of paper. We did the incantation. We 283 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.639 went through the and it made joined hand et ceter 284 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.720 on the table and quietened down and focused on the 285 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.279 piece of paper, and next thing, the piece of paper 286 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.960 rose up to eye level and when we broke the circle, 287 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.480 it dropped to the ground. We were absolutely terrified. Let's 288 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:24.080 say we were about thirteen or fourteen at the time. 289 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:26.600 We ran to the local church with the piece of 290 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.080 paper and put it in the holy waterfront because we 291 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:33.159 were that scared. So that was fairly terrifying. I remember 292 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.679 sinply after that you'd be afraid you'd look at something 293 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:38.279 in case it would move. But there was no way 294 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:40.799 anyone could have blown the paper anything like that, because 295 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.039 it rose up, say, just over a foot off the table, 296 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:47.639 and however there until we broke we lifted our hands 297 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:52.320 and then it fell back immediately to the table. So 298 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.399 that was my first kind of experience of anything happening 299 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:59.080 on Ouiji boards. But that didn't deter me in my 300 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:01.600 interest in yeah cult at that time, like a lot 301 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:07.240 of teenagers, and so we continued reading about seances and 302 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.240 demons and all this, and so we heard that if 303 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.079 we read that if you say the our father backwards 304 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:18.559 in a mirror, the devil will appear. Now. You know, 305 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.920 I am a Catholic, and maybe at that stage of 306 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.480 my life my faith mightn't have been as strong. But 307 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:29.000 eventually I was kind of put forward as the person 308 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.359 who was going to do this. So I went into 309 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:34.000 a bathroom with a mirror. I had a pair of 310 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.720 rosary beads on me because I was that scared, and 311 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:40.799 I said the our father backwards. Nothing happened. I was 312 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:43.400 so relieved. I left the room at home my friends. 313 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.920 Absolutely nothing happened. That's fine. That night I had to 314 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:49.599 travel to Cork to a funeral to my auntie's house. 315 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:52.759 I traveled down. I didn't think any further about it, 316 00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.880 and I went to bed and in a room in 317 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.880 my auntie's house. I was there on my own, and 318 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.759 at midnight, just after midnight, actually it was ten past twelve, 319 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.720 there was a massive sound in the room, like rocks 320 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:10.640 pulling apart. I couldn't describe it any other way. And 321 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.400 next thing was there was a massive light in the 322 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:16.880 room and a wind, and the bed I was on 323 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:20.240 was blown back against the wall. The room was wrecked. 324 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:23.799 Every book in the place was thrown to the ground 325 00:18:24.000 --> 00:18:27.119 against the wall, and I felt I didn't. My eyes 326 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:31.400 closed so tightly, and I was just wishing it would 327 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:33.519 go away. I was terrified, and it felt like there 328 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.000 was a figure there in front of me, and I 329 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.039 was terrified. Next thing, there was a sound like the 330 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:46.640 rocks grinding again, and the light dimmed, and the figure 331 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.279 was gone, and I opened my eyes and the bed 332 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:55.920 was against the wall. Every book, every magazine, every mat 333 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:01.119 in the room was pressed up against the wall where 334 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:02.960 the bed had been pushed back to with the wind. 335 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.519 And I think I spent three hours of the night 336 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.920 putting the room back together. Now I didn't know what happened. 337 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:16.160 I was wondering, did a truck hit the house, did 338 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.759 a truck reverse into the house? Was there lightning? Had 339 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:22.799 it been an earthquake. I didn't know what it was, 340 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:26.519 but I was mainly you can imagine like you're a 341 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.160 young teenager, you're in your auntie's house and the room 342 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.039 is wrecked, okay. I was mostly concerned with putting the 343 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:39.480 room back together, which took absolutely forever, and so afterwards 344 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.799 I did think, you know, obviously I said the our 345 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:44.920 father backwards. In the mirror of that day, I wondered 346 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.079 that I'd have anything to do with it, and I 347 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:50.079 was thinking, I was mostly settling up. Maybe a truck 348 00:19:50.200 --> 00:19:52.440 hit the house, That's what I was I was thinking. 349 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.440 So you can imagine you're in bed on a ground 350 00:19:54.519 --> 00:19:59.079 floor room and a truck like the huge light, the noise, 351 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.759 and you know, the bang and everything moves back. But 352 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:06.480 there was no marks on the house. And the years 353 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.640 went by, I didn't tell anyone about it. I didn't 354 00:20:09.640 --> 00:20:12.359 tell obviously my auntie or a family or anything like that, 355 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.200 because I was concerned I wrecked their house, you know. 356 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.640 And years later I was in university and I was 357 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:22.920 staying with my auntie, who I'm very close to, and 358 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:29.039 we started having a conversation about the occult, and so 359 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:32.960 I told her this story. And my auntie is a businesswoman, 360 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.200 you know, very down to earth. She was holding a 361 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.839 white so I was about twenty at the time. She 362 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.880 was holding a white ceramic pot of tea and she 363 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:47.160 fainted and it fell on her foot, and so I 364 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.920 thought she fainted, you know, we were putting eyes on 365 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:53.039 her foot and everything. And when she came to she 366 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.000 said to me, did that really happen to you? And 367 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.960 I said, yeah, it did happen to me. And she 368 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.480 said to me was it such and such a relation 369 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:05.359 of ours funeral that time? I said, yeah, that's that's 370 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.440 when it happened. That's actually when it did happen. She said, 371 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:12.119 the same thing happened her the same night in the house, 372 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.359 and she never had told a sinner because they would 373 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.960 think she was insane. So Nick, that that happened two 374 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:24.920 very level headed people. And so my advice to anyone is, 375 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:28.640 do not mess with wigi boards. Stay away from them. 376 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:30.000 They're bad news. 377 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:34.319 Indeed. Yeah, so that was that happened to Andy the 378 00:21:34.440 --> 00:21:35.240 same night. 379 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:38.559 The same night, And I can tell you it was 380 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.319 about eight years later when we had that conversation, and 381 00:21:42.440 --> 00:21:46.559 she had not told a sinner about that, because like 382 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:49.640 whatever about a child saying it an adult saying that, 383 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:52.880 you know, people would think that you were you were crazy, 384 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.400 and my Auntie would be very religious as well. And 385 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:01.880 she felt exactly like I felt that there was pure badness, 386 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.880 pure I don't say pure evil because I sound like Mulletman, 387 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.519 but there was there was like just a you know, 388 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.319 a very nefarious entity in the room in front of her. 389 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:14.680 But it was exactly the same the room, her room was. 390 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.279 Everything was pushed to one side, there was the wind, 391 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.079 there was the light, there was the sound of something 392 00:22:21.160 --> 00:22:24.240 of like a cave opening or rocks pulling apart. And 393 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:26.519 then she didn't open her eyes either, but she saw 394 00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:29.720 like like you can imagine if there if something that 395 00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:31.200 there's a light in front of you and some of 396 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.000 your eyes closed, something walks across it, you know something 397 00:22:34.160 --> 00:22:37.039 is there. And that same thing happened her the same night, 398 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:40.279 and that is it is an amazing story, but it 399 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:44.279 absolutely happened. And I do believe that the genesis of 400 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:48.559 that was the unfortunate decision that I made to say 401 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:50.720