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Speaker 2: This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Headquarters, and a big thank you to Travis Walton
Speaker 2: for that amazing intro. It never gets old no matter
Speaker 2: how many times I hear it. And we have Linda
Speaker 2: on here today, Mike Wardan and Linda Zimmerman with UFO Headquarters.
Speaker 2: But we have a very very special return guest tonight, Linda.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited because whenever he's on the show, it's
Speaker 2: a great program.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the mysterious, the one and only mister Burns.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, thank you for having me on again.
Speaker 1: And Mike, I appreciate it, Yes, mister yeah, Well it's
Speaker 1: great because you're you know, you never cease to amaze me.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll ask him a question or mention something. And
Speaker 1: he has the encyclopedia of you know, the who wasn't where?
Speaker 1: Of everything. So my hat is off to you and
Speaker 1: your scholarship in this field.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you. Hopefully one day I'll actually get to
Speaker 3: apply to something. Right now, it's just taking up space.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, but you've you've collected it. It's there, yep.
Speaker 1: And you do have the pine Bush archive.
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, yes, that so.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Back in the mid nineties, I got I traveled up
Speaker 3: to Pine Bush to see if there was any truth
Speaker 3: to the stories that I was hearing, and long story short,
Speaker 3: there was definitely a firm reason to stick around and
Speaker 3: to dig further. And I became a part of the community,
Speaker 3: you know, chasing after literally literally chasing in those days
Speaker 3: after the UFO phenomena. And it's been near and dear
Speaker 3: to my heart. It's been an ongoing pursuit, an ongoing mystery.
Speaker 3: I seem to change my overall opinion on things every
Speaker 3: seven years, so I'm due, I think next year. But yeah,
Speaker 3: there's still an absolute ton of work to do. But
Speaker 3: what I've been doing is I've been I have been
Speaker 3: doing firsthand interviews with people when I can.
Speaker 2: I I have.
Speaker 3: If I look through my files, I have much more
Speaker 3: than I think I do. And uh, they're still out there.
Speaker 3: They're they're now scattered literally across the world. I found
Speaker 3: a guy in China, So yeah, a lot of people
Speaker 3: with a lot of stories, and you know, half of
Speaker 3: me thinks that I haven't even you know, cracked the
Speaker 3: majority of them. So uh, yeah, I just keep going
Speaker 3: and little away at it.
Speaker 1: Wow, so a lot of these files are online, number
Speaker 1: of them really is the it's it's been interesting to
Speaker 1: to gain the the confidence of the people who are
Speaker 1: willing to share their stories.
Speaker 3: It's it's uh so I have to kind of go
Speaker 3: witness by witnesses to to how they want to be,
Speaker 3: how they want their their story to be translated if
Speaker 3: they do, or relayed if they do. It's been challenging.
Speaker 3: So there's not a lot online right now. I I
Speaker 3: will have the task when I have time, hopefully when
Speaker 3: I finally retire, to go through everything and make something presentable,
Speaker 3: you know, to to to throw out to the world
Speaker 3: and see what they think.
Speaker 1: Now, if someone has a pine Bush connected story, uh,
Speaker 1: can they get in touch with you?
Speaker 3: The website absolutely, the The website is pine Bush Anomaly
Speaker 3: dot com. My email address is pb Mysteries at gmail
Speaker 3: dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, So if you are out there and you've
Speaker 1: been hesitant, you know, and you're afraid to give up
Speaker 1: your identity, don't worry. Nobody here is here too to
Speaker 1: rat you out. We just want your story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's a privilege to hear
Speaker 3: the stories and the whole point of taking the stories
Speaker 3: in is literally just to try to put two and
Speaker 3: two together. In the long run, it's an unbelievable story.
Speaker 3: It's it really has been a heck of an adventure
Speaker 3: that I feel like I stumbled into. I feel, you know,
Speaker 3: very fortunate. And and of course Pine Bush is kind
Speaker 3: of like my my home away from home. Lots of
Speaker 3: lots of good, warm feelings towards that area, so I
Speaker 3: love traveling up there and learning more about it.
Speaker 1: And and things are still happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shockingly they are. I a I know we've talked
Speaker 3: about it a little bit this past calendar year, but
Speaker 3: I have reason to think that there was a burst.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say it burst. There was a bump in
Speaker 3: activity in twenty twenty three, like there was definitely something more.
Speaker 3: It's something going on more than the past ten years,
Speaker 3: let's say, which is interesting. And and in the the
Speaker 3: usual spots too, which is is very interesting. So it's, uh, if.
Speaker 1: You could just mention for people who aren't as familiar
Speaker 1: we know the usual spots, what would you call the
Speaker 1: usual spots in pine.
Speaker 3: Bush, Oh, West Searsville and Montgomery Searsville close to it,
Speaker 3: and Indian Springs Road, New Prospect. You know, these places
Speaker 3: have a long history and they're still producing sightings.
Speaker 1: So right along fifty two there by the cemetery.
Speaker 3: Not so much by well there, yeah, not so much
Speaker 3: by the cemetery lately, yes, okay, but definitely in the past.
Speaker 3: And certainly I think if if some of the residents
Speaker 3: of you know what I dubbed the Fairy Knoll, that
Speaker 3: area between fifty two where beth bellel Is and West Searsville,
Speaker 3: I am sure there are stories within those residents from
Speaker 3: you know, six dicks decades back to present.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you mentioned Indian Springs. I get
Speaker 1: a headache every time I go on that road. I'm serious,
Speaker 1: That Indian Springs Road creeps the hell out of.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I am not ashamed to say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting area, and I'll tell the story
Speaker 3: of how I was kind of introduced to that. And
Speaker 3: this is not specifically Indian Springs Road. It's a little
Speaker 3: I want to say, east of that, east northeast of that,
Speaker 3: but it's close by. But a friend of mine during
Speaker 3: the glory days of the group that met in the nineties,
Speaker 3: starting in ninety three that still exists in form thanks
Speaker 3: to Bill wyand he took me up there. There was
Speaker 3: a family or there is a family that lives up
Speaker 3: there that had repeat activity and they and they said
Speaker 3: things were still going on. So he kind of took
Speaker 3: me to the general area it is and he's like,
Speaker 3: I want to show you something. So he he parks
Speaker 3: the car and just turns off the light and it
Speaker 3: was pitch black. I mean, you could not see definition
Speaker 3: of anything in front of you. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: like this is the perfect location for you know, odd
Speaker 3: supernatural themed events to happen. But yeah, it's an interesting area, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had some weird things happen. And uh and Mike,
Speaker 1: ourfre wonderfully psychic friend Barbara, I told her she doesn't
Speaker 1: live all that far from there, and I said, you
Speaker 1: need to check this out and she was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, same thing. There's uh, there is something there
Speaker 1: is bad juju there. I don't know how you know,
Speaker 1: that's a highly technical term, I know, but yeah, so
Speaker 1: if people are looking for something unusual, but just be prepared.
Speaker 1: I don't know how people live there, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding. I couldn't. I couldn't live on that road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question for mister Burns real quick. Yes,
Speaker 2: and not to put you on the spot, but you
Speaker 2: mentioned you you're collected all these you know, first hand accounts.
Speaker 2: He's great eye in this accounts. And you also mentioned
Speaker 2: that every seven years you're sort of own overall evaluation changes.
Speaker 2: What where where are you at now looking at the
Speaker 2: anomaly and what you think is going on?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm now moving in the direction that UFO
Speaker 3: is a misnomer, that that there is something generating phenomena
Speaker 3: that that appears under a number of guyses for lack
Speaker 3: of a better term. So the phrase I say is like,
Speaker 3: I think the imagery is secondary. It's everything underneath the
Speaker 3: main presentation of this phenomena that really matters. That gives
Speaker 3: you a hint that it's you know, the same thing.
Speaker 3: And I think the best presentation I've seen of that
Speaker 3: there's a wonderful researcher by the name of Joshua Kutchin
Speaker 3: I think is how you pronounced his last name. But
Speaker 3: he and a guy Timothy Renner from Pennsylvania who researches
Speaker 3: chestnut ridge, which is just like pine bush, only I
Speaker 3: think considerably bigger. They wrote a couple of books called
Speaker 3: Where the Footprint, Where the Footprints End, and it's bigfoot centered,
Speaker 3: but they really dive into how the bigfoot imagery is
Speaker 3: almost secondary. I know very little about bigfoot lore, and
Speaker 3: now I'm kind of realizing, like, if I want to
Speaker 3: understand the big picture, I need to delve into that
Speaker 3: at some point. Yeah, it's super interesting. It was even
Speaker 3: interesting to me to hear that bigfoot groups have a
Speaker 3: category where, you know, they lump in reports that deal
Speaker 3: with phenomena where there's actually not a creature sided there's
Speaker 3: no visual sighting of any type of creature. It's all
Speaker 3: the stuff underneath it, happening around it, little balls of light,
Speaker 3: smell flashes of light, feelings of dread. I mean that's
Speaker 3: straight out of heine Bush. It's straight out of Marley Woods,
Speaker 3: which is associated with UFOs. I don't think so much
Speaker 3: with Piedmont and Yakama, but the Metal Spot, which is
Speaker 3: researched by Trey Hudson and Trey. It's funny hearing like
Speaker 3: Trey also talk about the same thing where he's thinking
Speaker 3: that there's one, for lack of a better word, intelligence
Speaker 3: kind of producing all this phenomena that has different imagery
Speaker 3: laid over it. So that's kind of where I'm going now,
Speaker 3: but I'll even take it a little further. I'm kind
Speaker 3: of going to the point where I don't even think
Speaker 3: it's organic. So you know, when people talk about gin,
Speaker 3: they're still describing something that they that the traditional belief
Speaker 3: is that it's it was organically you know, these intelligence
Speaker 3: was were organically made for Again, for lack of a
Speaker 3: better word, I'm starting to head in the direction where
Speaker 3: I think this is artificial in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 3: just because of the absurdity of the imagery. The imagery
Speaker 3: is very specific, it resonates with us, it's it's well
Speaker 3: thought out, for lack of a better term, So right there.
Speaker 3: You know, I guess now when we start talking about
Speaker 3: the whistle blow or the big problem with whistleblower stories
Speaker 3: for me is it's hard for me to imagine something
Speaker 3: solid enough to crash and be collected. So I'm drifting
Speaker 3: farther away from the traditional extraterrestrial hypothesis every year makes sense.
Speaker 2: No, That's that's very interesting because that's sort of the
Speaker 2: direction I started going with after I visited the Mothman
Speaker 2: Museum down in West Virginia. Yeah, and picked up a
Speaker 2: bunch of John Kiell books and really started reading into
Speaker 2: his you know, very similar theory that the secondary the
Speaker 2: paranormal activity we perceive, whether it's a ghost foot UFOs
Speaker 2: are really just the manifestation that we're capable of seeing.
Speaker 2: But there's a he called them ultra terrestrials. But I
Speaker 2: mean it's still I think I to me, it explains
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the biggest problem for me over the years,
Speaker 3: and it took me a while to actually kind of
Speaker 3: figure this out. What the problem is. It's always been
Speaker 3: a thorn Tomie Side is just how the imagery is
Speaker 3: just ridiculous, but it happens for all intentsive purposes. You know,
Speaker 3: the hundreds of reports that we we've learned of and
Speaker 3: we've spoken to people about, and we you know, everybody
Speaker 3: on this h on the show, We've we've spoken to people.
Speaker 3: It's it's there, it's an experience, it's part of the
Speaker 3: human experience. But that doesn't nullify the fact that the
Speaker 3: imagery is really kind of ridiculous. So yeah, that's the
Speaker 3: thing that that that's always bothered me. And it's interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, I hear that jockh Ohala is coming out
Speaker 3: with a new book, and I've noticed A has been
Speaker 3: peppering the word simulation in his most recent interviews, So
Speaker 3: I'm hoping he kind of expands on that because I
Speaker 3: kind of feel I don't want to, like wholeheartedly go
Speaker 3: into the simulation camp, but I'm kind of interested in
Speaker 3: hearing that viewpoint.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, so you're you know where you're at.
Speaker 2: I really like because it for how long people have
Speaker 2: been experiencing things like bigfoot, pick the Lockness Monster just
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, you know, all these
Speaker 2: paranormal phenomenon but yet no evidence of it. I mean, realistically,
Speaker 2: if there really was a Bigfoot at some point, there
Speaker 2: has to be physical evidence we would come across something,
Speaker 2: and there isn't any. The Lockness Monster, no physical evidence whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Science has kind of proven that, but yet people, reliably
Speaker 2: reliable witnesses report this stuff. They all can't be lying.
Speaker 2: So it kind of explains the lack of really hardcore
Speaker 2: solid evidence because there wouldn't be physical evidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. In fact, breaching over to the whistleblower
Speaker 3: that we'll be talking about, and just whistleblower claims in general. Oh,
Speaker 3: I didn't look up the name. There's a famous case
Speaker 3: and Valet wrote about it the most. I'm gonna mispronounce it,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not going to make a full
Speaker 3: of myself. I'm gonna look at on my Google.
Speaker 1: But it don't we take our first break now and
Speaker 1: then you can look that up and we will come
Speaker 1: back to the whistleblower and the case we need to pronounce. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, so we will be right back.
Speaker 2: Excellent.
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Speaker 2: So welcome back after our first break. And Linda mister Burns,
Speaker 2: this is already a conversation that I am in I'm
Speaker 2: in love with because you're you're speaking my language, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's my love language here. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting not all people agree with you
Speaker 2: or I or or or anybody in this field. There's
Speaker 2: there's a lot of different theories and we're all kind
Speaker 2: of guessing, I guess or making our our best conclusions
Speaker 2: on the evidence. But yes, I'm curious, I'm curious what
Speaker 2: case you have here. I I'm not familiar with it.
Speaker 3: It is a famous case, it's super well documented and
Speaker 3: VALA's written about it for years. And it's killing me
Speaker 3: because I'm not coming up with it.
Speaker 1: Why don't I mention the the Jacob Barber information if
Speaker 1: you want to come up with the name or yeah,
Speaker 1: so while you're looking that up, let me just so.
Speaker 1: Recently it's been all all the rage, people pro and
Speaker 1: against and flipping out over Ross coltheart who I think
Speaker 1: does a fabulous job interviewing people, getting interviews other people
Speaker 1: can't whether you agree with what his guests have to
Speaker 1: say or not. On News Nation had the latest whistleblower,
Speaker 1: Jacob Barber, who was with the US Air Force Mechanic
Speaker 1: helicopter pilot expert marksmen, was with Special Operations, worked for
Speaker 1: the DoD as a civilian as well, had NATO top
Speaker 1: secret clearance. Three separate soldiers who worked with them corroborated,
Speaker 1: so whatever you think of them, the men had as credentials.
Speaker 1: And he just came right out and said it said,
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't eager to do this. It took
Speaker 1: two years to convince him to come forward. He claimed
Speaker 1: he worked on a special crash retrieval squad on what
Speaker 1: he called the range where it was US government testing
Speaker 1: exotic aircraft. And he said, you know, we saw kinds
Speaker 1: of weird things. Something would crash, we'd have to pick
Speaker 1: it up and bring it back to where it had
Speaker 1: to go, you know, simple as that. But then there
Speaker 1: were some times there were things in other places that
Speaker 1: we're a little off, were a little different. And he claimed, well,
Speaker 1: let me just say what he saw on this during
Speaker 1: his time. He said, things come in and out of sight,
Speaker 1: Things disappear for a moment and reappear. Things seemed to
Speaker 1: move very quickly. Things change color, they change shape. He
Speaker 1: talked about seeing things coming out of the ground, out
Speaker 1: of a ridge, and immediately I thought of pine bush
Speaker 1: because of things coming in and out of the ground.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to some of what the other things
Speaker 1: he thought he saw that weren't human made, he believed.
Speaker 1: But mister, mister Burns, did you have a chance to
Speaker 1: find that case?
Speaker 3: I have not. I'm failing miserably, And I said you were.
Speaker 1: Mister Encyclopedia, Well can you tell us about the case.
Speaker 3: And then yes, it basically was it was a sighting
Speaker 3: of I want to say, a disc shaped craft that
Speaker 3: wobbled and emitted a substance that fell to the ground,
Speaker 3: and it was a slag like substance. And the reason
Speaker 3: I'm bringing this up is because I think like that
Speaker 3: the point where physical evidence kind of morphs into UFO
Speaker 3: mythology is how you describe that substance. I think in
Speaker 3: in kind of you know, especially in the past what
Speaker 3: seven years since the New York Times article, it's been
Speaker 3: a lot of stories and rumors about parts being held
Speaker 3: in warehouses and possibly by aerospace companies, and I wonder
Speaker 3: if that's really referring to slag, because this slag that's
Speaker 3: it's it's not the case that I'm thinking of which
Speaker 3: it starts with it. It's like Ubuntu or something to
Speaker 3: that effect. It's it's not the only one. There's been
Speaker 3: a bunch of cases where slag has been emitted by
Speaker 3: the phenomena, and you could speculate that it's a by
Speaker 3: product of the phenomenon manifesting in our environment. Again just
Speaker 3: pure speculation, but it has been tested. And what Valet
Speaker 3: had been saying is that for years it was just
Speaker 3: the price was the price in the availability of the
Speaker 3: gear to do so was so prohibited that it was
Speaker 3: only within the past ten years that this material was
Speaker 3: able to be tested.
Speaker 1: Like the meta materials they talk about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so perfect. Yeah, that's that's another word that gets
Speaker 3: used a lot, and I bet that it's referring to slag.
Speaker 3: And I guess what's interesting about it deals with the
Speaker 3: isotope or the isotopes rather Isotope is an audio company,
Speaker 3: so uh so. Yeah, It's the reason I'm bringing that
Speaker 3: up is because when you you know, I use the
Speaker 3: term ufo mythology for the the whistleblower stories, and you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people would would be like, oh, you're
Speaker 3: you're you're insinuating that they're not real. Not necessarily, you know,
Speaker 3: UFOs are a folklore, but they could also be a
Speaker 3: physical reality. It's not either or they have to exist,
Speaker 3: you know, in that in that littal space.
Speaker 1: So yeah, in the last episode, we did talk about
Speaker 1: a case in Connecticut where they just said, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a blue book case. It was just slag, but it
Speaker 1: it was causing a weight change in material that was
Speaker 1: sitting next to it. Oh wow, Yes, and it had
Speaker 1: very unusual composition. But what causes a weight change in
Speaker 1: something you know, sitting on the counter next to it.
Speaker 1: So I think that was a very early case of
Speaker 1: meta material or whatever you'd you'd want to say yeah
Speaker 1: about it. But so you did watch Jacob Barber on
Speaker 1: Ross coltheart.
Speaker 3: I did. I saw the the forty minute one. Apparently
Speaker 3: there is a three hour case. And as much as
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because I really hate the
Speaker 3: platform X, you know, X dot com and you know
Speaker 3: what used to be called Twitter, is still just an
Speaker 3: amazing resource of people from all walks of life commenting
Speaker 3: on stories. So you know, when you're listening to the
Speaker 3: Jacob Barber story, I'm not a military guy, I'm not
Speaker 3: an aerospace guy, and kind of you know, critiquing what
Speaker 3: he's saying, you really got to know that world again.
Speaker 3: There there are some fantastic people with accounts on X.
Speaker 3: Still they haven't moved over to Blue Sky. I hope
Speaker 3: they do at some point. But the the touch person
Speaker 3: is a guy that goes by the name of the
Speaker 3: average Chris. You do a search for that name on
Speaker 3: X you'll find his postings. He himself is US Air
Speaker 3: Force veteran, and he has a community of people who
Speaker 3: have worked in the Air Force and they So the
Speaker 3: first thing they did is that a number of people
Speaker 3: watched the full three hour show and figured out that
Speaker 3: the forty minute admitted a lot of information that was
Speaker 3: not shining very well on Barber's background. So basically, the
Speaker 3: forty minute show made it seem like Barbara had more
Speaker 3: credentials than he actually did. And again, if you just
Speaker 3: do a search for average Chris on X you'll find
Speaker 3: the posts that dig into this. There's a lot of them.
Speaker 3: It's something the average person like myself would not know,
Speaker 3: who had no military experience and whatnot. But the other
Speaker 3: thing is is that it is a news nation. You know,
Speaker 3: the blame is on news nation also for creative editing,
Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, And I mean I've
Speaker 3: saw that decades ago with stuff that you know that
Speaker 3: Fox was putting out. I even saw one on pine
Speaker 3: Bush that Fox did where it was very creatively edited
Speaker 3: and made certain things seem likely that definitely were not.
Speaker 3: So it's a case of that. You know, what news
Speaker 3: channels are entertainment. They need eyeballs. But uh so, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's one of those things where there's a lot
Speaker 3: of questions about his experience. And then the video is
Speaker 3: interesting because.
Speaker 1: Do you want to describe the egg video.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's from the perspective of the helicopter. It's
Speaker 3: it's supposedly night vision. It's looking down the cable that
Speaker 3: is got this, and we're assuming it's the same object,
Speaker 3: this egg shaped craft. And somebody with military experience listened
Speaker 3: to the sound of the helicopter on the video instead
Speaker 3: it's Hueye. It's definitely a Huey rotor. It's very distinct.
Speaker 3: He's like, I find it baffling that there's no movement
Speaker 3: of grass or even you know, dirt below the uh,
Speaker 3: you know, below the egg. Is that the rotors aren't
Speaker 3: or they you know, the blades aren't kicking up any
Speaker 3: debris or anything. He's like, I expect to see that.
Speaker 3: So that's one question about it. The other question is,
Speaker 3: and and somebody produced a bunch of videos showing in essence,
Speaker 3: weather balloons, and there was very there was a lot
Speaker 3: of similarity between him. Was it a you know, an
Speaker 3: open shut case. Maybe not, but it was curious to
Speaker 3: see the comparison with weather balloons. So I guess what
Speaker 3: the take away from it is that it's it's one
Speaker 3: of these stories and it's amazing in the age of
Speaker 3: social media, how like within a week this just blows
Speaker 3: up and it could be your second job to keep
Speaker 3: up with with everything, right, It really is amazing. It's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, well.
Speaker 1: That was not Barber's video. So, but he had the
Speaker 1: story about seeing an egg and his job was they
Speaker 1: you know, people on the ground I guess, strapped it
Speaker 1: in and they carried it somewhere. But he also talked
Speaker 1: about what he called eight gons, Yes, that they were
Speaker 1: discs that from above looked like you know, eight sections,
Speaker 1: and he talked about retrieving several of those. And then
Speaker 1: the freaky one was where he felt overwhelmed with emotion.
Speaker 1: I think this was the one that was in a crate.
Speaker 1: He didn't even see what it was, but he had
Speaker 1: tears in his eyes and felt this something communicating with him.
Speaker 1: And you know, you don't have to believe a word
Speaker 1: of what he's saying, but how many times have we
Speaker 1: interviewed witnesses who said something suddenly swept over for me
Speaker 1: and I felt like it was communicating with me. So
Speaker 1: if he concocted this entire story, he really hit upon
Speaker 1: some very curious things. Again about seeing craft coming out
Speaker 1: of the ground, out of the side of a ridge.
Speaker 1: That's pine bush all over with. So what I have
Speaker 1: not seen the three hour. I watched the forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: and you know that one about the in and out
Speaker 1: of the ground, because that's you know, he talked about
Speaker 1: trans medium and we usually refer to in and out
Speaker 1: of the water, going through different mediums air water. Very
Speaker 1: rarely do we talk about in and out of the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you've had a little experience with that in pine Bush.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, I definitely saw in a mission of
Speaker 3: light come out of a field probably between a quarter
Speaker 3: mile and a half mile away. So yeah. And I
Speaker 3: don't think the whole coming out of the ground thing
Speaker 3: is hip pop culture the way say, the Hitchhiker effect
Speaker 3: has because of the skin Walker show. So I always
Speaker 3: kind of get a lump in my throat when some
Speaker 3: aspect of you know, paranormal studies makes it into pop
Speaker 3: culture the way that like the term EVP did when
Speaker 3: ghost Hunters went on air, and the way ectoplasm did
Speaker 3: when Ghostbusters was you know, in the theaters. So it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's like, I, yeah, I don't think the whole ground
Speaker 3: based thing is out in pop culture. So when someone
Speaker 3: mentions that it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It would have been a very Again, if he's making
Speaker 1: it up, that would have been an unusual aspect to
Speaker 1: make part of his story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've interviewed people who said they in pine
Speaker 1: Bush felt the ground tremble and heard noises underneath, as
Speaker 1: if construction was going on under there. There was the
Speaker 1: woman on West Searsville in the late nineties, early two
Speaker 1: thousands I can't recall who saw what she described as
Speaker 1: like the rings of Saturn, some sort of energy that
Speaker 1: swirled up out of the middle of West Searsville Road
Speaker 1: and on the lawn next to her. She said it
Speaker 1: looked like Fourth of July sparklers. So some sort of sparkling,
Speaker 1: spitting energy coming up out of the ground. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's up with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a long history of I mean, the whole
Speaker 3: underground sound thing and the whole machinery underground. It seems
Speaker 3: to be a constant in hotspots, which is super interesting.
Speaker 3: I can tell you experienced that I have not, but
Speaker 3: I know I think I want to say six cases
Speaker 3: in the Pinebush area. Then he might kill me. I
Speaker 3: think I think he experienced that. It was one of
Speaker 3: the earliest things he experienced, and it would be in
Speaker 3: his book. I want to say it was ninety three.
Speaker 1: Do you want to explain that for people who do
Speaker 1: not know Vinnie in this book?
Speaker 3: So, my buddy Vinny Police, I will say that he
Speaker 3: is probably the single person in the world who has
Speaker 3: had more firsthand visual experiences with the phenomena than anybody.
Speaker 3: He put in the hours he spent his twenties going
Speaker 3: up to Pine Bush and chasing and when I when
Speaker 3: I say chasing, I mean chasing, and so yeah. So
Speaker 3: he wrote a book on it in Wow, two thousand
Speaker 3: and three, called The Pine Bush Phenomena. We hope he
Speaker 3: rephes at some point, but there are still copies on Amazon.
Speaker 3: But I want to say that his experience with what
Speaker 3: seemed to be underground sounds was in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 3: and it was one of the earliest experiences he had.
Speaker 3: There were two other people on the road that we
Speaker 3: know of, and it was it was still light out
Speaker 3: and at the same I think he described the sounds
Speaker 3: as like almost like a train passing underground, but there
Speaker 3: were actually light phenomena at the time. He always references
Speaker 3: Spielberg's close encounters when the orange colored UFOs are coming
Speaker 3: through the clouds heading towards the young boy's house, and
Speaker 3: he said it was kind of like that there were
Speaker 3: just colored lights in the clouds. Again, I hope I'm
Speaker 3: not confusing to report, so I'm sure I'll hear from
Speaker 3: him if I if I did, and take my lumps.
Speaker 3: But that's certainly not the only one I can think of.
Speaker 3: When we were still at the VFW that we had
Speaker 3: a guest. Uh yeah, it's someone who's who's known.
Speaker 1: The Pine Bush meetings.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, the Pine Bush Meetings that
Speaker 3: that are still going on. And a bunch went out
Speaker 3: to I want to say West Yearsville afterwards and experienced
Speaker 3: the same thing. They experienced what sounded like sounds coming
Speaker 3: from underneath them, and I do remember them all saying
Speaker 3: like it really freaked them out, Like this is a
Speaker 3: group that has seen and experienced a lot, and that
Speaker 3: was something that that unsettled them. There is a body
Speaker 3: of reports from the Gunks. Actually, if you go north
Speaker 3: of Pine Bush, there's a lot of stories of underground sounds.
Speaker 1: That's the Chuang Gunk Mountains thing, yep.
Speaker 3: And uh so that's you know, it's it's it's part
Speaker 3: of kind of the the lore in in the area.
Speaker 3: But also I think there's a lot of reports in
Speaker 3: Colorado of all places of underground sounds associated with UFO activity,
Speaker 3: and to connect Colorado with Pine Bush. The most mysterious
Speaker 3: character in pine Bush lore, whose first name is Dale,
Speaker 3: sadly not with us anymore. She experienced that activity in
Speaker 3: Colorado and then in pine Bush with Ellen Crystal. Ellen
Speaker 3: Crystal also experienced blasts of air coming up from the
Speaker 3: middle of nowhere when she was in fields.
Speaker 1: That I hadn't heard of coming out of the ground,
Speaker 1: coming out.
Speaker 3: Of the ground. And so so the way she and
Speaker 3: Dale interpreted it is that something was building something underneath
Speaker 3: that had connection to the UFO activity. And I gotta say,
Speaker 3: I've never experienced the air coming out, but I experienced
Speaker 3: three times twice on West Seers rail Road and once
Speaker 3: in the old airport off of Albany Post or close
Speaker 3: to Albany Post, like a small area where the temperature
Speaker 3: was easily ten to fifteen degrees warmer, like you could
Speaker 3: walk ten steps and be in and out of it,
Speaker 3: and walk back and be in and out of it.
Speaker 3: I've never experienced anything like that and outside of pine Bush,
Speaker 3: And interestingly enough, I found a report from Australia, an
Speaker 3: incredible researcher by the name of Keith Basterfield, who usually
Speaker 3: is associated with government document stuff, but he researched a
Speaker 3: place of repeat activity and experienced the same thing, this
Speaker 3: really small area where the temperature was considerably I can't
Speaker 3: remember whether it was warmer or cooler. But again he
Speaker 3: said he would just walk through it and walk back
Speaker 3: and walk through it. So when Ellen, you know, and
Speaker 3: I read Ellen's account of the air coming up, you
Speaker 3: know that resonated a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Keith Basterfield had a great collection of animal
Speaker 1: reaction cases for my book. Yeah, good researcher. So all
Speaker 1: in all, do you completely dismiss Jacob Barber? Do you
Speaker 1: think some of it could be true? Where where do
Speaker 1: you lend?
Speaker 3: I'd say, I'm gonna lean back with a thing of
Speaker 3: popcorn and kind of see how it's kind of like
Speaker 3: the best way to approach all this. You know, it's
Speaker 3: it's interesting a guy everybody knows, John Greenwald, who has
Speaker 3: hosted The Black Vault. It's funny. He I always praised
Speaker 3: his research, but his I guess his mannerisms kind of
Speaker 3: bothered me, but over the years I've really grown to
Speaker 3: appreciate him. And again, outside of the average Chris on Twitter,
Speaker 3: I think Greenwall has also looked at at Barber's case
Speaker 3: and it's commented on it, and he's always worth reading always,
Speaker 3: So there's stuff out there to you know, to take
Speaker 3: in to make a judgment on this, but it's it's
Speaker 3: evolving as we speak.
Speaker 2: So I'm always when it comes to whistleblowers, I'm always
Speaker 2: on the fence because what are they you know, how
Speaker 2: do we know they're not there? Because they're trying to
Speaker 2: sew in disinformation. You know, there's the idea that some
Speaker 2: claim the government puts people out there to purposely you know,
Speaker 2: trickle truth or you know, they're looking to have their
Speaker 2: they're fifteen minutes of fame and maybe get a book deal.
Speaker 2: So I think it's I'm always on the fence and
Speaker 2: look at it with the skeptical eye that might be
Speaker 2: the retired police officer and detective in me. Yeah, never
Speaker 2: never take things at face value without digging. But and
Speaker 2: Linda and I know some people in the field who
Speaker 2: have exaggerated their credentials. We won't mention but.
Speaker 1: Exaggerated as a generous word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I just think it's you have to
Speaker 2: always take them at face value, but then also step back,
Speaker 2: like you said, get the ball the popcorn out, and
Speaker 2: you know, really dig into their story and their backgrounds
Speaker 2: and see if it's true, if it's not true. And
Speaker 2: the problem is if you exaggerate one part of your background,
Speaker 2: it kind of kills the credibility. In my opinion, you
Speaker 2: could be telling the truth on everything else, but it's
Speaker 2: hard to then take it seriously.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Martin Willis, who I love his podcast UFO show.
Speaker 1: He's a fine art appraiser, and he always says if
Speaker 1: he sees one forgery in a collection, it brings the whole,
Speaker 1: you know, collection under under scrutiny, under suspicion. So I
Speaker 1: don't know anything in Barber's the forty minutes I saw
Speaker 1: where he was not telling, you know, there was something
Speaker 1: you could say, oh, he is making this up. I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about it, but it's certainly it is
Speaker 1: certainly worth forty minutes of your time. I think that
Speaker 1: if you're interested in this field, watch it, because what
Speaker 1: if he's absolutely telling the truth and then you put
Speaker 1: this with the other whistleblowers and what luel Zondo has
Speaker 1: been saying, and this wouldn't have happened fifteen years ago,
Speaker 1: right right, Chris.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's gone. It's definitely. You remember back in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty seven, what was it? What was the special
Speaker 3: on like the W It wasn't the WB at that point, Excitings,
Speaker 3: it wasn't it was sightings. It was a while. It
Speaker 3: was a two hour UFO cover up live I think
Speaker 3: was was what it was called, Okay, and that was
Speaker 3: a huge deal. And that was the age of Richard Dodie. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, you know how put off and that
Speaker 3: was like a trickle compared to today's absolute tsunami of UFO
Speaker 3: stories and claims and everything. It's it's impossible to keep
Speaker 3: up at this point. But uh but that's the whole
Speaker 3: thing is, like, man, it's been. Let let's let's take
Speaker 3: the recent history. The New York Times article came out
Speaker 3: in what I want to say, ninety seven, December of
Speaker 3: ninety seven.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, seventeen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty seventeen, Like that's that's six years ago now,
Speaker 3: like and there was a whole generation of people that
Speaker 3: popped up on Twitter and then they call themselves a
Speaker 3: Young Guns and they were telling people like me, all
Speaker 3: you're too pessimistic and get out of the way, and
Speaker 3: we're like, well we've seen this before, Like okay, if
Speaker 3: you want to keep posting, like those posts are forever,
Speaker 3: Like if you listen to us old guys when we say, like,
Speaker 3: you know, we're jaded for a reason. And that's six
Speaker 3: years ago. And a lot of them are just they're gone.
Speaker 3: There's a few people who are still posting, but most
Speaker 3: of them have been disillusioned and you know, are are gone.
Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of like the cycle keeps happening.
Speaker 3: Every decade, there's a there's something like this. Back in
Speaker 3: the two thousands, there was soorce A. Does anybody remember
Speaker 3: source a now killer website in the name of UFO
Speaker 3: watchdog dot net, which you could probably dig up on
Speaker 3: archive dot org. And there was a super nice guy
Speaker 3: who used to go to the Pine Bush meetings and uh,
Speaker 3: but he got wrapped up in this sorce And again
Speaker 3: it's just like I who said, I, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't with all these hidden craft and you know, and
Speaker 3: bodies and the whole McGillicutty, and he waited, like I
Speaker 3: want to say, five to seven years of following this
Speaker 3: guy until I think he finally it's like, okay, there's
Speaker 3: just nothing to this.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It was promise after promise after promise. And but that
Speaker 3: was a weird, a super weird case because it wasn't
Speaker 3: a straightforward as oh, here's this guy lying. There were
Speaker 3: elements also trying to discredit him. It was also very
Speaker 3: nasty because it possibly involves stolen valor No, definitely worth
Speaker 3: looking up because it again it's it's it proves to
Speaker 3: you that this the whole whistleblower history, you know, happens
Speaker 3: every ten years or so, you know, like we have
Speaker 3: seen this movie before.
Speaker 2: Maybe yes, can you give us the website again?
Speaker 3: That dot net? Yeah, it should be on archive dot
Speaker 3: org if it doesn't exist on the UFO Watchdog yep,
Speaker 3: and a great website. I mean skeptically skeptically minded, but
Speaker 3: fairly skeptically minded, not Philip class, yeah, but super interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm trying to think like every oh, I mean,
Speaker 3: in the nineteen seventies you had Robert Eminger and that's
Speaker 3: where kind of Linda Bolton Howe came into the story
Speaker 3: and a lot of people were taken in and this
Speaker 3: is legitimate. They were taken in for meetings with I
Speaker 3: want to say, air Force promised certain things that were
Speaker 3: never delivered, taught, you know, told about vast films of
Speaker 3: craft coming and landing on desert beds, and allegedly a
Speaker 3: snippet of a film came out and it took decades
Speaker 3: to have the technology get good enough to analyze it
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, that's a jet going backwards. So
Speaker 3: somebody reversed the film and it was at a perfect
Speaker 3: angle that it really did look like a disc, but
Speaker 3: it's not a disc.
Speaker 1: Well, why don't we take our second break, and when
Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to grill mister Burns and
Speaker 1: put them on the spot with questions, right, Mike, Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, sounds good. This is Hudson River Radio dot com,
Speaker 1: your local Rockland County station.
Speaker 5: This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.
Speaker 2: Well, welcome back from the break. This is an awesome episode.
Speaker 2: We need to have mister Burns on here more frequently.
Speaker 2: But I want to mention we've come full circle in
Speaker 2: the conversation. I'm listening to them, you know, explain some
Speaker 2: of these the unexplained, like the hotspots and fields, the lights.
Speaker 2: You know, Lynda and I's work with paranormal investigations very
Speaker 2: common in hauntings. Hot spots, cold spots, seeing lights, thing
Speaker 2: things out of the corner of your eyes. And again,
Speaker 2: it sort of brings us right back to the beginning
Speaker 2: when we discussed this idea that you know, what are
Speaker 2: they really Is it really the heat you're feeling or
Speaker 2: is that secondary to the actual phenomenon. Is it really
Speaker 2: the lights? And so I find it interesting because the
Speaker 2: overlapping parallels just get bigger and bigger the more you
Speaker 2: look at it.
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, Yeah. I was kind of shocked when I
Speaker 3: got to Pine Bush and got to know the regulars there,
Speaker 3: you know, the group that we call the core now,
Speaker 3: because the first thing that stuck in my head is like, wow,
Speaker 3: this sounds like outdoor poltergeist events. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: the UFO imagery was present, but the majority of things
Speaker 3: experienced were ground level for lack of a better term,
Speaker 3: everything from little lights to temperature changes. You know, we've
Speaker 3: had psychokinesis incidents. Yeah, super interesting things that would have
Speaker 3: fit better in a haunted house context. But even now
Speaker 3: after you know, gosh, thirty years, like that's almost too simplified.
Speaker 3: But that type of thinking, you know, as I'm learning rapidly,
Speaker 3: can be applied to the whole Bigfoot lore, which my god,
Speaker 3: that's you know, years and years of research to get
Speaker 3: well versed on that. And you mentioned Keel, you know
Speaker 3: Keel's It's interesting. Keelis is such a He's the classic,
Speaker 3: the classic character in this subject. That he is a person,
Speaker 3: and as a researcher was really complicated. He would sometimes
Speaker 3: give the impression to people that knew him that he
Speaker 3: was kind of, you know, very loose with the facts
Speaker 3: and whatnot. And I got to know a guy by
Speaker 3: the name of James Moseley who's a legend. He's sadly
Speaker 3: not with us anymore, but he's he's a legend in
Speaker 3: UFO circles. And I asked him, well, you know, Keel,
Speaker 3: what do you think about the Mothman prophecies? Like is
Speaker 3: that what happened? And he's like, eh, you know, some
Speaker 3: is some is it's that wishy watching this. But even him,
Speaker 3: he would bust hoaxes. And I'm talking about Jim Mosley,
Speaker 3: he would bust hoaxes. But he would also perpetuate hoaxes.
Speaker 3: He was just this complicated character that the UFO field
Speaker 3: is just full of. And uh, it's it makes it
Speaker 3: interesting and it's maddening at the same time. So you
Speaker 3: read Keel and you're like, he's very forward thinking. And
Speaker 3: certainly Jacques Vlet and even Jay Allen Heinech towards the
Speaker 3: end of his life thought very similar to how Keel thought.
Speaker 3: But you know, is Keel also part of the trickster?
Speaker 3: Like you know, it's hard to tell. Uh, just super interesting. Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: I have a question. Do you think the new administration
Speaker 1: is going to release any UFO bombshells?
Speaker 3: I think if there was a chance for an administration
Speaker 3: to do so, it might be this one. And so
Speaker 3: if it doesn't happen, then we all have to think
Speaker 3: long and hard.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a good point because as of today, as
Speaker 2: we're recording for context, you know, they've ordered the declassification
Speaker 2: of the you know, John F. Kennedy assassination remaining r FK.
Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior. So that a big move and
Speaker 2: I kind of was hoping the same thing. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to ask the question, but you know, Jesus if
Speaker 2: you're going this far, you know, keep going. There's other
Speaker 2: things we want you to declassic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, does that you know, if we don't hear anything,
Speaker 3: is that the uncomfortable truth that there's there is nothing right.
Speaker 1: Or there's something they can't they don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. We are certainly
Speaker 1: living in interesting times, vastly different times than when we
Speaker 1: all started doing this.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm I'm glad about that. It's so much
Speaker 1: more open to discuss and uh people. The bottom line
Speaker 1: is all of this information coming out gives people the
Speaker 1: courage to speak who never would before. So pro or
Speaker 1: con with these whistleblowers, true or not, the perception is, well,
Speaker 1: if that guy has everything to lose and he's going
Speaker 1: on TV, then I can tell my story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's importantly.
Speaker 1: That certainly is a is a positive. So another question
Speaker 1: I have, you know, when are we getting back together
Speaker 1: to go to Pure City and Pine Bush and then
Speaker 1: do some sky watching.
Speaker 3: I would love to as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, there's a great restaurant in Pine Bush,
Speaker 1: Pure City Vegetarian. I mean, it's an actual restaurant. I
Speaker 1: can order anything on the menu that doesn't that happens rarely.
Speaker 1: And then we just sit on a field somewhere and
Speaker 1: watch the sky. It's great.
Speaker 2: I'm in on this one.
Speaker 3: I haven't thought that yet, so I would even suggest,
Speaker 3: if Brian's up for it, do we tape an episode
Speaker 3: of Pure City.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I'm down. Get a little sky watching too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we get an omni wike. We put it in
Speaker 3: the middle of the table.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can pick stuff off the menu and there
Speaker 4: you go.
Speaker 5: Chat Ryan, it's a fellow vegetarian, So twist my arm.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, we just we need to get
Speaker 1: the okay with the Pure City there that they won't mind.
Speaker 1: And I love it the Pure City episode and people
Speaker 1: will be like, what does that mean? What is this pure?
Speaker 2: And then record up on the record during the SkyWatch.
Speaker 1: Definitely, so mister Burns the time that oh it was
Speaker 1: Vinny and Barb and Bob and I don't remember all
Speaker 1: else who was there. We were, as you recall, we
Speaker 1: saw those lights zig zagging over the field that night.
Speaker 1: That was yeah, that was very interesting. And some people
Speaker 1: who saw the photos, oh it's a no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: this thing was zigzagging tight zigzags back and forth, up
Speaker 1: and down. We could not judge the distance it was
Speaker 1: over that cornfield, probably, but I can't say whether it
Speaker 1: was tiny and two hundred feet it was large and
Speaker 1: eight hundred feet away. I don't know, but that was
Speaker 1: an amaze. I remember trying to get a better wrangle.
Speaker 1: I think I was standing on top of a guardrail
Speaker 1: post or something, balancing up there, and I got to
Speaker 1: have my camera and I'm like, if I fall, don't
Speaker 1: try to save me, save my camera. But yeah, things
Speaker 1: are still to be seen there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, hotspots traditionally never go completely dead. They ebb
Speaker 3: and flow, and you know, as we've talked about, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the more development, the less endivity in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we need to start a go fund
Speaker 1: me page to raise money to buy a little plot
Speaker 1: of land and pine bush. I mean that is our dream, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, Vinnie still hates me to this day
Speaker 3: because we were seriously talking about buying the very last
Speaker 3: liver of land on Marshmallow Field, right down the road
Speaker 3: from Angry Orchard. Yes, but I was in freelancing and
Speaker 3: freelancing was not steady, so I opted out and he
Speaker 3: hates me to this day.
Speaker 1: Oh if we could have had a little just a
Speaker 1: little patch of land, set up our chairs and watch
Speaker 1: every night. Well, if anyone wants to donate land or
Speaker 1: large sums of money, please get in touch with us,
Speaker 1: because it's I'm fascinated and full of hope and anticipation
Speaker 1: every time I go to Pine Bush because you know,
Speaker 1: I don't expect something to happen, but there's a much
Speaker 1: better chance of it happening there than just about anywhere
Speaker 1: else in this area.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's continues to be an amazing, amazing place.
Speaker 3: It's a heck of a story. Really, I just, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll I'll dip out of being able to
Speaker 3: pursue it to deal with you know, everyday life. But
Speaker 3: when I get back into it, it's like, wow, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a story that you know, has
Speaker 1: been told in.
Speaker 3: Little pieces, little pieces, but not the whole.
Speaker 1: I don't know that you could tell the whole story.
Speaker 3: It's a is not known, I really do. I think
Speaker 3: a lot of it is is not known. And yep,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think we've talked about the town
Speaker 3: dynamics that neither one of us were aware of before
Speaker 3: this year that stretched back into you know, the twentieth century,
Speaker 3: and how that might have might play a role in it,
Speaker 3: so that we might be able to break through.
Speaker 1: The dynamics of we don't want to talk about this
Speaker 1: stuff because it's it's bad and yeah, it's evil. We
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about the evil whatever it is.
Speaker 3: So I would I would tell people that going back
Speaker 3: to Vinnie the you know Vinny has I mean, there
Speaker 3: were a core of people that spent night upon night
Speaker 3: out there. Vinnie, you know, is definitely one of them.
Speaker 3: I think Vinnie was the most mobile. So he's been
Speaker 3: you know, all over town at various places. And he'll
Speaker 3: say to me when I bring up, you know, potentially
Speaker 3: unnerving incidents that happened, or if somebody says like, I,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't like it there or whatnot, and
Speaker 3: he's like, man, I've never experienced anything like that. He's like,
Speaker 3: it's been overwhelmingly positive for me, you know. And I
Speaker 3: have to say it's that way for me too, Like
Speaker 3: just like sheer excitement going up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, other than Indian Springs Road, it is very exciting.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Don't you feel that there? Do you?
Speaker 3: I need to spend somehow spend more time on No.
Speaker 1: You don't. I am not recommending it, but if you're
Speaker 1: crazy enough to go, it's just something I go. You know,
Speaker 1: my Spidey sense goes on full alert there. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel good, But every place else in Pine Bush, yes,
Speaker 1: it's that excitement and anticipation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go with you, mister Burns. I've never been there,
Speaker 2: and I want to see, okay, but I want to
Speaker 2: see that feeling, you know, or what's going on up there.
Speaker 2: And I may regret that as I have in the
Speaker 2: past other things, Yes, yeah, but I would be very
Speaker 2: curious to see that area too, and and just to
Speaker 2: see what kind of a feeling might be different for everybody.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll go. If you want to record, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, that sounds.
Speaker 1: Good, all right, all right, I'll give you that much.
Speaker 1: But if the equipment goes haywire and sparks start flying
Speaker 1: out of the microphone where.
Speaker 5: The battery dies, the battery dies or something, all right,
Speaker 5: So any other final things you want to mention talk
Speaker 5: about put out a request for anything.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, just well you were very kind and mentioned
Speaker 3: my project at the start of the show. But you know,
Speaker 3: I'll just say again, you know, just hoping to collect
Speaker 3: as many reports as possible to add on to what
Speaker 3: we know about the area and again trying to make
Speaker 3: some conclusions and all a said and done, and you know,
Speaker 3: anonymity is absolutely honored. You make the call as to
Speaker 3: how you want your case to either be presented or
Speaker 3: not presented. And and yeah, it's once again. The The
Speaker 3: email address is peb Mysteries at gmail dot com and
Speaker 3: the website is pine Bush Anomaly dot com. And my
Speaker 3: buddy Vinnie has his pine Bush UFO Facebook page and
Speaker 3: pine Bush Phenomena Facebook page. So the community is still
Speaker 3: out there. And of course there is the museum in town.
Speaker 1: So oh yes, we love the museum. Love the museum
Speaker 1: if you haven't. I recently, just a few weeks ago,
Speaker 1: was talking to someone from Pinebush and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the museum. Oh, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a museum. It's like didn't even really wasn't on her
Speaker 1: radar and didn't really care about it. I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's a pine Bush UFO And paranormal Museum.
Speaker 1: How but it's not everybody's cup of tea.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, and that's all right, that's all right, that's
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so if you haven't been there, go there.
Speaker 1: They have all Mike. You've done some events there and.
Speaker 2: Planning one in the April right now. Oh great, neat
Speaker 2: nothing written in stone yet as for a date or
Speaker 2: a topic. But I was in touch with the director
Speaker 2: there and he wants to do something, and so I'll
Speaker 2: be back at the museum and not just as an exhibit.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, mister Burns. Always
Speaker 1: a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when, when it when, and if it ever warms
Speaker 1: up there in the Northeast, we will be getting together
Speaker 1: for dinner and a little skywatching.
Speaker 3: That sound wonderful.
Speaker 2: I think we can you just schedule mister Burns for
Speaker 2: like repeating.
Speaker 1: Every other month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, we can volunteer, but I
Speaker 2: would love that. No, it was great. I mean it's
Speaker 2: always fun talking with you because you're just a wealth
Speaker 2: and knowledge, but you're also a great guy to talk to.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: You bring a lot of enthusiasm to the field. And
Speaker 2: you know you love what you do and that comes
Speaker 2: through and you're also.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. It's also just very easy to talk
Speaker 3: to you and Linda. So it's been a blast as always.
Speaker 3: And uh yeah, I'm looking forward to when the weather
Speaker 3: warms up and getting in the car and heading up north.
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm ready for it.
Speaker 1: All right, Mike, bring us out in your inimitable style.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you to mister burns on behalf of Linda
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