WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:05.839 Hudson River Radio dot com. 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:13.599 This is Travis Walton and you are listening to UFO Headquarters. 3 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:21.879 Beautiful Headquarters, and a big thank you to Travis Walton 4 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.440 for that amazing intro. It never gets old no matter 5 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:29.800 how many times I hear it. And we have Linda 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.600 on here today, Mike Wardan and Linda Zimmerman with UFO Headquarters. 7 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:38.039 But we have a very very special return guest tonight, Linda. 8 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:40.679 And I'm excited because whenever he's on the show, it's 9 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:41.799 a great program. 10 00:00:42.280 --> 00:00:46.079 Oh yes, the mysterious, the one and only mister Burns. 11 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.399 Yes, yes, thank you for having me on again. 12 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:58.320 And Mike, I appreciate it, Yes, mister yeah, Well it's 13 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:01.920 great because you're you know, you never cease to amaze me. 14 00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:05.560 I'll I'll ask him a question or mention something. And 15 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:10.000 he has the encyclopedia of you know, the who wasn't where? 16 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:13.959 Of everything. So my hat is off to you and 17 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:15.640 your scholarship in this field. 18 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:18.000 Well, thank you. Hopefully one day I'll actually get to 19 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:22.239 apply to something. Right now, it's just taking up space. 20 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:26.840 Now, yeah, but you've you've collected it. It's there, yep. 21 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.599 And you do have the pine Bush archive. 22 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:34.680 Yes, yep, yes, that so. 23 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:36.560 Yep. 24 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:39.640 Back in the mid nineties, I got I traveled up 25 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.879 to Pine Bush to see if there was any truth 26 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:46.439 to the stories that I was hearing, and long story short, 27 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.439 there was definitely a firm reason to stick around and 28 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:55.280 to dig further. And I became a part of the community, 29 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:58.719 you know, chasing after literally literally chasing in those days 30 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:03.760 after the UFO phenomena. And it's been near and dear 31 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.920 to my heart. It's been an ongoing pursuit, an ongoing mystery. 32 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:13.319 I seem to change my overall opinion on things every 33 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:18.560 seven years, so I'm due, I think next year. But yeah, 34 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.120 there's still an absolute ton of work to do. But 35 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:23.719 what I've been doing is I've been I have been 36 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.080 doing firsthand interviews with people when I can. 37 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:28.560 I I have. 38 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:31.520 If I look through my files, I have much more 39 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:36.000 than I think I do. And uh, they're still out there. 40 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:39.879 They're they're now scattered literally across the world. I found 41 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:44.599 a guy in China, So yeah, a lot of people 42 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:48.000 with a lot of stories, and you know, half of 43 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.080 me thinks that I haven't even you know, cracked the 44 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.840 majority of them. So uh, yeah, I just keep going 45 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:54.919 and little away at it. 46 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:00.919 Wow, so a lot of these files are online, number 47 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:05.759 of them really is the it's it's been interesting to 48 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:10.479 to gain the the confidence of the people who are 49 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:11.919 willing to share their stories. 50 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:14.400 It's it's uh so I have to kind of go 51 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.719 witness by witnesses to to how they want to be, 52 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.319 how they want their their story to be translated if 53 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.919 they do, or relayed if they do. It's been challenging. 54 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:31.039 So there's not a lot online right now. I I 55 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.000 will have the task when I have time, hopefully when 56 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:41.120 I finally retire, to go through everything and make something presentable, 57 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.719 you know, to to to throw out to the world 58 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:46.879 and see what they think. 59 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:51.560 Now, if someone has a pine Bush connected story, uh, 60 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:52.879 can they get in touch with you? 61 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:57.599 The website absolutely, the The website is pine Bush Anomaly 62 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:02.120 dot com. My email address is pb Mysteries at gmail 63 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:02.919 dot com. 64 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:06.240 Okay, great, So if you are out there and you've 65 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.879 been hesitant, you know, and you're afraid to give up 66 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:16.199 your identity, don't worry. Nobody here is here too to 67 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:19.279 rat you out. We just want your story. 68 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:22.120 Yeah, it's it's you know, it's a privilege to hear 69 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.240 the stories and the whole point of taking the stories 70 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.399 in is literally just to try to put two and 71 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:32.240 two together. In the long run, it's an unbelievable story. 72 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:36.800 It's it really has been a heck of an adventure 73 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.240 that I feel like I stumbled into. I feel, you know, 74 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.959 very fortunate. And and of course Pine Bush is kind 75 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.680 of like my my home away from home. Lots of 76 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:51.959 lots of good, warm feelings towards that area, so I 77 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:54.040 love traveling up there and learning more about it. 78 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:56.399 And and things are still happening. 79 00:04:56.879 --> 00:05:01.560 Yeah, shockingly they are. I a I know we've talked 80 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.920 about it a little bit this past calendar year, but 81 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:06.360 I have reason to think that there was a burst. 82 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.160 I shouldn't say it burst. There was a bump in 83 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:13.839 activity in twenty twenty three, like there was definitely something more. 84 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:17.839 It's something going on more than the past ten years, 85 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:24.000 let's say, which is interesting. And and in the the 86 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.800 usual spots too, which is is very interesting. So it's, uh, if. 87 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.439 You could just mention for people who aren't as familiar 88 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.279 we know the usual spots, what would you call the 89 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.040 usual spots in pine. 90 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:42.800 Bush, Oh, West Searsville and Montgomery Searsville close to it, 91 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:50.560 and Indian Springs Road, New Prospect. You know, these places 92 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.360 have a long history and they're still producing sightings. 93 00:05:55.759 --> 00:06:00.360 So right along fifty two there by the cemetery. 94 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.040 Not so much by well there, yeah, not so much 95 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:08.600 by the cemetery lately, yes, okay, but definitely in the past. 96 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:14.279 And certainly I think if if some of the residents 97 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.879 of you know what I dubbed the Fairy Knoll, that 98 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:22.000 area between fifty two where beth bellel Is and West Searsville, 99 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.279 I am sure there are stories within those residents from 100 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.920 you know, six dicks decades back to present. 101 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:34.959 Yeah, and you know you mentioned Indian Springs. I get 102 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.959 a headache every time I go on that road. I'm serious, 103 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.800 That Indian Springs Road creeps the hell out of. 104 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:44.480 I don't. 105 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.519 I am not ashamed to say it. 106 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:52.079 Yeah, it's an interesting area, and I'll tell the story 107 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.959 of how I was kind of introduced to that. And 108 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.839 this is not specifically Indian Springs Road. It's a little 109 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.600 I want to say, east of that, east northeast of that, 110 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:06.680 but it's close by. But a friend of mine during 111 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:10.319 the glory days of the group that met in the nineties, 112 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:14.720 starting in ninety three that still exists in form thanks 113 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:19.560 to Bill wyand he took me up there. There was 114 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.800 a family or there is a family that lives up 115 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:26.600 there that had repeat activity and they and they said 116 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.000 things were still going on. So he kind of took 117 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:30.920 me to the general area it is and he's like, 118 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:33.639 I want to show you something. So he he parks 119 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:36.800 the car and just turns off the light and it 120 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:41.079 was pitch black. I mean, you could not see definition 121 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:43.920 of anything in front of you. And I was like, wow, 122 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:49.360 like this is the perfect location for you know, odd 123 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:56.480 supernatural themed events to happen. But yeah, it's an interesting area, definitely, definitely. 124 00:07:57.279 --> 00:08:01.600 Yeah, I've had some weird things happen. And uh and Mike, 125 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:07.199 ourfre wonderfully psychic friend Barbara, I told her she doesn't 126 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.079 live all that far from there, and I said, you 127 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.040 need to check this out and she was like, oh 128 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:19.079 my god, same thing. There's uh, there is something there 129 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:23.279 is bad juju there. I don't know how you know, 130 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:27.199 that's a highly technical term, I know, but yeah, so 131 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:32.159 if people are looking for something unusual, but just be prepared. 132 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.519 I don't know how people live there, and I'm not 133 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:38.840 even kidding. I couldn't. I couldn't live on that road. 134 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.360 Yeah, I have a question for mister Burns real quick. Yes, 135 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.679 and not to put you on the spot, but you 136 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.240 mentioned you you're collected all these you know, first hand accounts. 137 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:52.679 He's great eye in this accounts. And you also mentioned 138 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:57.799 that every seven years you're sort of own overall evaluation changes. 139 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.240 What where where are you at now looking at the 140 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.559 anomaly and what you think is going on? 141 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:13.000 Okay, So I'm now moving in the direction that UFO 142 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:19.879 is a misnomer, that that there is something generating phenomena 143 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:25.600 that that appears under a number of guyses for lack 144 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.960 of a better term. So the phrase I say is like, 145 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:34.399 I think the imagery is secondary. It's everything underneath the 146 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:37.559 main presentation of this phenomena that really matters. That gives 147 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.279 you a hint that it's you know, the same thing. 148 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.120 And I think the best presentation I've seen of that 149 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:51.440 there's a wonderful researcher by the name of Joshua Kutchin 150 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:53.960 I think is how you pronounced his last name. But 151 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.919 he and a guy Timothy Renner from Pennsylvania who researches 152 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.480 chestnut ridge, which is just like pine bush, only I 153 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:09.000 think considerably bigger. They wrote a couple of books called 154 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:14.480 Where the Footprint, Where the Footprints End, and it's bigfoot centered, 155 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:19.279 but they really dive into how the bigfoot imagery is 156 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:25.960 almost secondary. I know very little about bigfoot lore, and 157 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.639 now I'm kind of realizing, like, if I want to 158 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:32.720 understand the big picture, I need to delve into that 159 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:38.360 at some point. Yeah, it's super interesting. It was even 160 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:40.960 interesting to me to hear that bigfoot groups have a 161 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.120 category where, you know, they lump in reports that deal 162 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.120 with phenomena where there's actually not a creature sided there's 163 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:53.000 no visual sighting of any type of creature. It's all 164 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:58.600 the stuff underneath it, happening around it, little balls of light, 165 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:05.879 smell flashes of light, feelings of dread. I mean that's 166 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.919 straight out of heine Bush. It's straight out of Marley Woods, 167 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:15.080 which is associated with UFOs. I don't think so much 168 00:11:15.120 --> 00:11:19.559 with Piedmont and Yakama, but the Metal Spot, which is 169 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:24.320 researched by Trey Hudson and Trey. It's funny hearing like 170 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.639 Trey also talk about the same thing where he's thinking 171 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.320 that there's one, for lack of a better word, intelligence 172 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.360 kind of producing all this phenomena that has different imagery 173 00:11:35.039 --> 00:11:38.080 laid over it. So that's kind of where I'm going now, 174 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.120 but I'll even take it a little further. I'm kind 175 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:41.679 of going to the point where I don't even think 176 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.919 it's organic. So you know, when people talk about gin, 177 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.360 they're still describing something that they that the traditional belief 178 00:11:50.399 --> 00:11:53.879 is that it's it was organically you know, these intelligence 179 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.480 was were organically made for Again, for lack of a 180 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:00.840 better word, I'm starting to head in the direction where 181 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.039 I think this is artificial in some way, shape or form, 182 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:07.159 just because of the absurdity of the imagery. The imagery 183 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.720 is very specific, it resonates with us, it's it's well 184 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:15.200 thought out, for lack of a better term, So right there. 185 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:17.759 You know, I guess now when we start talking about 186 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.519 the whistle blow or the big problem with whistleblower stories 187 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.600 for me is it's hard for me to imagine something 188 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:30.720 solid enough to crash and be collected. So I'm drifting 189 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:38.480 farther away from the traditional extraterrestrial hypothesis every year makes sense. 190 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.879 No, That's that's very interesting because that's sort of the 191 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:46.919 direction I started going with after I visited the Mothman 192 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.200 Museum down in West Virginia. Yeah, and picked up a 193 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:52.720 bunch of John Kiell books and really started reading into 194 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:57.360 his you know, very similar theory that the secondary the 195 00:12:57.399 --> 00:13:01.000 paranormal activity we perceive, whether it's a ghost foot UFOs 196 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.320 are really just the manifestation that we're capable of seeing. 197 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.879 But there's a he called them ultra terrestrials. But I 198 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:12.360 mean it's still I think I to me, it explains 199 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:12.679 a lot. 200 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.720 Yeah, it's the biggest problem for me over the years, 201 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.559 and it took me a while to actually kind of 202 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.000 figure this out. What the problem is. It's always been 203 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.799 a thorn Tomie Side is just how the imagery is 204 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:30.840 just ridiculous, but it happens for all intentsive purposes. You know, 205 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.960 the hundreds of reports that we we've learned of and 206 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:36.480 we've spoken to people about, and we you know, everybody 207 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:40.440 on this h on the show, We've we've spoken to people. 208 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:42.840 It's it's there, it's an experience, it's part of the 209 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.639 human experience. But that doesn't nullify the fact that the 210 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.799 imagery is really kind of ridiculous. So yeah, that's the 211 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.879 thing that that that's always bothered me. And it's interesting, 212 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.919 you know, I hear that jockh Ohala is coming out 213 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:00.960 with a new book, and I've noticed A has been 214 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.120 peppering the word simulation in his most recent interviews, So 215 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.159 I'm hoping he kind of expands on that because I 216 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.960 kind of feel I don't want to, like wholeheartedly go 217 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.320 into the simulation camp, but I'm kind of interested in 218 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.039 hearing that viewpoint. 219 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:17.679 Now. 220 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.960 Yeah, I like, so you're you know where you're at. 221 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:25.720 I really like because it for how long people have 222 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:29.720 been experiencing things like bigfoot, pick the Lockness Monster just 223 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:32.159 off the top of my head, you know, all these 224 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:35.840 paranormal phenomenon but yet no evidence of it. I mean, realistically, 225 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.240 if there really was a Bigfoot at some point, there 226 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.840 has to be physical evidence we would come across something, 227 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.399 and there isn't any. The Lockness Monster, no physical evidence whatsoever. 228 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:50.039 Science has kind of proven that, but yet people, reliably 229 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.279 reliable witnesses report this stuff. They all can't be lying. 230 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:58.960 So it kind of explains the lack of really hardcore 231 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.519 solid evidence because there wouldn't be physical evidence. 232 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:09.080 Yeah, yeah, agreed. In fact, breaching over to the whistleblower 233 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:15.399 that we'll be talking about, and just whistleblower claims in general. Oh, 234 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:17.960 I didn't look up the name. There's a famous case 235 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:22.360 and Valet wrote about it the most. I'm gonna mispronounce it, 236 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:24.679 you know what, I'm not going to make a full 237 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:26.000 of myself. I'm gonna look at on my Google. 238 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:30.759 But it don't we take our first break now and 239 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.240 then you can look that up and we will come 240 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.080 back to the whistleblower and the case we need to pronounce. Yes, 241 00:15:38.440 --> 00:15:40.440 all right, so we will be right back. 242 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:41.279 Excellent. 243 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:50.399 Hudson River Radio dot com Hudson River Radio dot Com, 244 00:15:50.600 --> 00:15:55.440 subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition New York's 245 00:15:55.519 --> 00:15:56.240 Hudson Valley. 246 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:06.000 So welcome back after our first break. And Linda mister Burns, 247 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.960 this is already a conversation that I am in I'm 248 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:14.519 in love with because you're you're speaking my language, like 249 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:20.720 you know, it's my love language here. But you know, 250 00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:23.799 it's it's an interesting not all people agree with you 251 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:26.519 or I or or or anybody in this field. There's 252 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:28.759 there's a lot of different theories and we're all kind 253 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.440 of guessing, I guess or making our our best conclusions 254 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.519 on the evidence. But yes, I'm curious, I'm curious what 255 00:16:36.639 --> 00:16:39.559 case you have here. I I'm not familiar with it. 256 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:45.519 It is a famous case, it's super well documented and 257 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:50.879 VALA's written about it for years. And it's killing me 258 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:52.440 because I'm not coming up with it. 259 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:58.080 Why don't I mention the the Jacob Barber information if 260 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:03.639 you want to come up with the name or yeah, 261 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:07.440 so while you're looking that up, let me just so. 262 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:13.200 Recently it's been all all the rage, people pro and 263 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:18.240 against and flipping out over Ross coltheart who I think 264 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.160 does a fabulous job interviewing people, getting interviews other people 265 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:27.240 can't whether you agree with what his guests have to 266 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:32.720 say or not. On News Nation had the latest whistleblower, 267 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:38.480 Jacob Barber, who was with the US Air Force Mechanic 268 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:45.279 helicopter pilot expert marksmen, was with Special Operations, worked for 269 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:50.799 the DoD as a civilian as well, had NATO top 270 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:56.359 secret clearance. Three separate soldiers who worked with them corroborated, 271 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:01.279 so whatever you think of them, the men had as credentials. 272 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.759 And he just came right out and said it said, 273 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:09.160 you know, he wasn't eager to do this. It took 274 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:13.519 two years to convince him to come forward. He claimed 275 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:20.200 he worked on a special crash retrieval squad on what 276 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:26.680 he called the range where it was US government testing 277 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:31.319 exotic aircraft. And he said, you know, we saw kinds 278 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.440 of weird things. Something would crash, we'd have to pick 279 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:36.319 it up and bring it back to where it had 280 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.480 to go, you know, simple as that. But then there 281 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.279 were some times there were things in other places that 282 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:51.480 we're a little off, were a little different. And he claimed, well, 283 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:54.519 let me just say what he saw on this during 284 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:58.839 his time. He said, things come in and out of sight, 285 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:04.000 Things disappear for a moment and reappear. Things seemed to 286 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:10.640 move very quickly. Things change color, they change shape. He 287 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.839 talked about seeing things coming out of the ground, out 288 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:18.599 of a ridge, and immediately I thought of pine bush 289 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.680 because of things coming in and out of the ground. 290 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.880 And we'll get to some of what the other things 291 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:31.359 he thought he saw that weren't human made, he believed. 292 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:37.279 But mister, mister Burns, did you have a chance to 293 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:38.640 find that case? 294 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:45.400 I have not. I'm failing miserably, And I said you were. 295 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:51.319 Mister Encyclopedia, Well can you tell us about the case. 296 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.480 And then yes, it basically was it was a sighting 297 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:58.680 of I want to say, a disc shaped craft that 298 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:04.240 wobbled and emitted a substance that fell to the ground, 299 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:08.279 and it was a slag like substance. And the reason 300 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:13.480 I'm bringing this up is because I think like that 301 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:18.480 the point where physical evidence kind of morphs into UFO 302 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:23.119 mythology is how you describe that substance. I think in 303 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:26.359 in kind of you know, especially in the past what 304 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:29.920 seven years since the New York Times article, it's been 305 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:34.799 a lot of stories and rumors about parts being held 306 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:40.200 in warehouses and possibly by aerospace companies, and I wonder 307 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:44.799 if that's really referring to slag, because this slag that's 308 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.880 it's it's not the case that I'm thinking of which 309 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:50.559 it starts with it. It's like Ubuntu or something to 310 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.920 that effect. It's it's not the only one. There's been 311 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.279 a bunch of cases where slag has been emitted by 312 00:20:57.319 --> 00:20:59.920 the phenomena, and you could speculate that it's a by 313 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.000 product of the phenomenon manifesting in our environment. Again just 314 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:08.200 pure speculation, but it has been tested. And what Valet 315 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:10.480 had been saying is that for years it was just 316 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:13.599 the price was the price in the availability of the 317 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.799 gear to do so was so prohibited that it was 318 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.440 only within the past ten years that this material was 319 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:21.680 able to be tested. 320 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.599 Like the meta materials they talk about. 321 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:27.200 Yeah, so perfect. Yeah, that's that's another word that gets 322 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.519 used a lot, and I bet that it's referring to slag. 323 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.119 And I guess what's interesting about it deals with the 324 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:37.720 isotope or the isotopes rather Isotope is an audio company, 325 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.599 so uh so. Yeah, It's the reason I'm bringing that 326 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.599 up is because when you you know, I use the 327 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:50.079 term ufo mythology for the the whistleblower stories, and you know, 328 00:21:50.079 --> 00:21:52.079 a lot of people would would be like, oh, you're 329 00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:56.880 you're you're insinuating that they're not real. Not necessarily, you know, 330 00:21:57.160 --> 00:21:59.279 UFOs are a folklore, but they could also be a 331 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.160 physical reality. It's not either or they have to exist, 332 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.240 you know, in that in that littal space. 333 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.160 So yeah, in the last episode, we did talk about 334 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.200 a case in Connecticut where they just said, oh, it's 335 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:20.640 a blue book case. It was just slag, but it 336 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:25.559 it was causing a weight change in material that was 337 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.319 sitting next to it. Oh wow, Yes, and it had 338 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:34.240 very unusual composition. But what causes a weight change in 339 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:36.960 something you know, sitting on the counter next to it. 340 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.160 So I think that was a very early case of 341 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.880 meta material or whatever you'd you'd want to say yeah 342 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.519 about it. But so you did watch Jacob Barber on 343 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:50.720 Ross coltheart. 344 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:55.119 I did. I saw the the forty minute one. Apparently 345 00:22:55.160 --> 00:23:00.359 there is a three hour case. And as much as 346 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.039 I hate to say it because I really hate the 347 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:07.640 platform X, you know, X dot com and you know 348 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.480 what used to be called Twitter, is still just an 349 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:16.880 amazing resource of people from all walks of life commenting 350 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.759 on stories. So you know, when you're listening to the 351 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:25.319 Jacob Barber story, I'm not a military guy, I'm not 352 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:29.440 an aerospace guy, and kind of you know, critiquing what 353 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:33.200 he's saying, you really got to know that world again. 354 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.480 There there are some fantastic people with accounts on X. 355 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.319 Still they haven't moved over to Blue Sky. I hope 356 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:44.480 they do at some point. But the the touch person 357 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:46.000 is a guy that goes by the name of the 358 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:50.119 average Chris. You do a search for that name on 359 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:56.759 X you'll find his postings. He himself is US Air 360 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:02.640 Force veteran, and he has a community of people who 361 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:08.119 have worked in the Air Force and they So the 362 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.559 first thing they did is that a number of people 363 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:15.839 watched the full three hour show and figured out that 364 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.440 the forty minute admitted a lot of information that was 365 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.000 not shining very well on Barber's background. So basically, the 366 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.119 forty minute show made it seem like Barbara had more 367 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:31.200 credentials than he actually did. And again, if you just 368 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:35.119 do a search for average Chris on X you'll find 369 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.920 the posts that dig into this. There's a lot of them. 370 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:41.079 It's something the average person like myself would not know, 371 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:46.160 who had no military experience and whatnot. But the other 372 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.599 thing is is that it is a news nation. You know, 373 00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.799 the blame is on news nation also for creative editing, 374 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.519 for lack of a better word, And I mean I've 375 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:01.480 saw that decades ago with stuff that you know that 376 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:03.960 Fox was putting out. I even saw one on pine 377 00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.920 Bush that Fox did where it was very creatively edited 378 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:10.960 and made certain things seem likely that definitely were not. 379 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.200 So it's a case of that. You know, what news 380 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:21.559 channels are entertainment. They need eyeballs. But uh so, yeah, 381 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:24.440 it's it's one of those things where there's a lot 382 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:28.799 of questions about his experience. And then the video is 383 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:31.279 interesting because. 384 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:32.759 Do you want to describe the egg video. 385 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:36.960 Yeah, so it's from the perspective of the helicopter. It's 386 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.000 it's supposedly night vision. It's looking down the cable that 387 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.039 is got this, and we're assuming it's the same object, 388 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:53.079 this egg shaped craft. And somebody with military experience listened 389 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.599 to the sound of the helicopter on the video instead 390 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.680 it's Hueye. It's definitely a Huey rotor. It's very distinct. 391 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.759 He's like, I find it baffling that there's no movement 392 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:07.559 of grass or even you know, dirt below the uh, 393 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.720 you know, below the egg. Is that the rotors aren't 394 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:13.039 or they you know, the blades aren't kicking up any 395 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.519 debris or anything. He's like, I expect to see that. 396 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.440 So that's one question about it. The other question is, 397 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:25.480 and and somebody produced a bunch of videos showing in essence, 398 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.519 weather balloons, and there was very there was a lot 399 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.319 of similarity between him. Was it a you know, an 400 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.359 open shut case. Maybe not, but it was curious to 401 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.559