Speaker 1: The ever hated Steve Fessick joins us.
Speaker 2: No, we read a nice conference with Steve last week too.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic his his uh pod. What would that
be called? That we had a gaming conference boot camp? Yeah,
I lost eight pounds by the way. They didn't tell you,
but in the boot camp. No, but it was. It
was a fun time. A couple of the guys are
here from the boot camp. We appreciate, appreciate all you
guys coming in, and we have a couple of good
guests that we're also going to have on today.
Speaker 2: We're trying to get this all in less than an hour,
and we should though. It's no problem.
Speaker 1: Randy McKay professional better, myself, professional better podcaster, John Big podcaster.
John is John Orlando. His dad is Tony Orlando. There's
probably no one old enough in the room to know
what Tony is. Oh yes, bookinos, Sorry, I thought it is.
Speaker 3: What it is.
Speaker 2: I know you would know, but there's a lot of
younger people. Crack.
Speaker 4: I thought for sure when you said Randy professional gamber
you're a professional, I thought you were to say professional degenerate.
Speaker 3: I thought, for sure, tell you what the show works
so well, and I think why we get so many
views and comments and people John your rarity in the business.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 1: I host a nationwide Fox show on five hundred and
twelve networks. I have a co host and I have
another co host, the one played in the NFL ones.
I was planning for him to be that setup guided
and Fox told me, yeah, crack pick on him. He's
a gambler. The first week he was like, you can't
say this stuff to me. So, I mean, I love
doing the show. It's a nationwide show. I'm totally blessed.
You know that that that someone will come.
Speaker 2: To the one that I'm not and you would be
great on win me.
Speaker 1: And only because John admits I'm not. I don't want
to embarrass it from anyone. Okay, don't don't touch me.
Speaker 2: No, but John admits to being.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: He likes to gamble. He likes lays the way to
go right.
Speaker 1: It's correct, Yeah, Parlay's and he's very honest though, and
he's hit going around once. No, he's not following around.
He you know, he loves to gamble and gambling loves him.
And yeah, no, and he admits it and it works
well together.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Randy comes on football season gives out his you know,
let's face it, we've made.
Speaker 2: A lot of money in our career of gambling.
Speaker 1: Besides what the dark twitter trolls say, but we've made
a lot of money gambling, Randy, you and I even
over the years together with different things. And you know,
I never ever talked about this, And how can I
hate you with this cold without asking you ahead of time?
So we won four hundred and ninety thousand together at
the end contest. That really set our contest streak going.
Speaker 5: That was the last one hundred thousand buy and this
will be the this will be the This was one
hundred thousand buy in the Grandissimo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I didn't tell anyone that we were getting in.
I didn't tell anyone yet. I just you know, because
it's not me that say, oh yeah, I'm coming, I'm
coming in with a partnership.
Speaker 2: I'm not spending one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, also, you always you told me not to
say something. Back then, can we talk about DraftKings now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, okay, back then you weare like, no, don't
tell no one. We won that.
Speaker 1: So we won a lot of money in the Draft
Kings contest. Because of the overlay situation they had. I've
never told anyone publicly go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're talking about the weekend one or the
fifty thousand buy in.
Speaker 1: The fifty thousand buy in which there was going to
be what was the guarantee?
Speaker 5: So the guarantee on that one, I believe, trying to remember.
Speaker 2: Now whatever it was. There was an overlay, Yeah, there was.
Speaker 5: There were two people short of the overlays, so like
one hundred thousand dollars at it.
Speaker 1: But it was six the day of the we weren't
going to enter. It was six with an hour to go.
Four people entered.
Speaker 5: And it was kind of inconvenient because you had to
be in a draft King state, couldn't use a proxy.
They had a lot of rules on that. In fact,
one of my friends he got this not in that contest,
but another one he got disqualified because you had they
tracked his location and disqualified him.
Speaker 1: But that's why, that's why you didn't want it, because I
was like, the DraftKings is really strict on and same
thing with FanDuel.
Speaker 2: They're pretty strict on location.
Speaker 1: And making sure where you're betting from and if you're
betting from the same house. You know I talked about
on vs in a couple of weeks ago. There's a
group that reached out to me that's owed hundreds of
thousands of dollars and the one guy is down like
two hundred thousand in his account and he won back
one hundred and twenty still down eighty thousand overall, and
they're not paying him one hundred and twenty thousand. That's
just so dirty because saying no, well, you won the
money with these other guys, and like I said, his
account was two hundred thousand down.
Speaker 2: I have no stake in the game. So people were
coming at me.
Speaker 1: But you know what's amazing, out of one hundred and
some comments on Twitter about twenty of them.
Speaker 2: Stuck up for the sports book.
Speaker 1: They said, well, of course you're not allowed to about
the same game together on a telegram chat. Well, what
if I give out a game, Steve gets out of
a game. What if you give out a game and
everyone bets it together and you just send one hundred
bucks two hundred bucks f bucks. Yes, in the terms
and conditions, these big sports books do not have to
pay you if they don't want to. But the you know,
the bane of my existence will be to go after them,
and I don't care if they sponsor my show or
I'm still going after them throwing off air.
Speaker 2: I'm sticking up for helping the public at their money.
Speaker 5: So it's another instance where they're trying to reinvent the
wheel when the wheel's already made there. So yeah, I
disagree with them as well.
Speaker 1: So I have a breaking thing that I'm not going
to mention the name again, but you're probably know. So
I have a lot of family in the Bronx and
they go to Yonkers, which I've only been there once. Well,
it's funny. I lived thirteen minutes for the place I
went one time. When I was a kid, my parents
didn't want me around gambling.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had an old fashioned Hungarian Jewish father Italian mother.
They did not want me, please don't. And of course
my mother's family corrupted everyone, my father, everybody of Sam.
I remember that though, because we were I was about
eight years old and we weren't even allowed to go
out when Sam h David Burker, which was was doing that.
We weren't even allowed to go out like outside on
night time.
Speaker 2: We were boys and a girl.
Speaker 1: It was a bad time, but Anyway, there's the Yonkers casino.
Speaker 2: Anyone been there. I haven't been there. Anyone been.
Speaker 1: There's a Yonker's casino now in Yonkers, at the dump
of a racetrack. They're taking twenty five thousand a hand
virtually because there's no dealers. And one of the biggest
NBA players was next to my cousins and he's taking
the video and showing me the video. I said, you
can't do that. I'm not going to show that nowhere.
One of the biggest NBA players in the world, he's
all known.
Speaker 2: He's killing me right now. He's worth he's worth one
hundred over one hundred million.
Speaker 6: And what is his last name?
Speaker 2: Rhyme with he.
Speaker 1: Lost a million bucks last week last and my cousin,
my cousin christ you know he works in the Bronx
with thirty three years, A good kid. He's taken the
video and he's saying, cousin, Billy, do you believe this?
Speaker 2: He's been twenty five and he's showing me the thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I can't never rap the guy out.
But he lost he lost a million bucks. Yeah, he
was up two hundred thousand, lost a million dollars.
Speaker 2: That night.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you could lose a million dollars on
a on a video blackjack game. But that's unbelievable, isn't it.
I mean, I listen, I love Barkley, but I mean,
is it really yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow wow.
Speaker 1: By the way, on a serious note, though, I love
Charles Barkley. I Charles Barkley. I was with them one day.
He said, how many guys you got in valet? And
they said thirteen to got thirteen hundred? Really one hundred
dollars each?
Speaker 2: Like, why do I have to rate people by what
they spend?
Speaker 4: Tipping is the fastest way to your heart, you love, I.
Speaker 1: Love you throw the money a little bit, I mean
just being you know, you make a lot of money
to share it with people.
Speaker 2: That's the way I feel.
Speaker 5: The Scott Pippen, Yeah, Scottie, No, no tipping Pippin.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which though, uh, there are some of those
NBA players that that that don't tip, but he is
one of them that that tips really well. I've been
around a couple of guys that really tip really well,
the famous people. And the opposite is for like, my
buddy had a big golf event and charity event put
together and like Tiger Woods.
Speaker 2: How can you not take care of people? And you
know who he had?
Speaker 1: He had a restaurant in La comped the meal. He's
a Tiger meals comp don't worry about it. Bill was
thirteen hundred, doesn't tip the waiter nothing.
Speaker 2: God, it's crazy. I just don't get it. Like it
gave me.
Speaker 1: He was playing at the and comes to his restaurant.
It's Mastros Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: You know what it is?
Speaker 1: Yep, Like you get a fake cop meal at Mastros,
Tiger you can't pay the tip.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Anyway? I usually don't name names. Sorry I just named
a couple of names. It just happens. But uh listen.
John has been given out a couple If you guys
watch our podcast. We're on YouTube every week. John has
been given out a couple UFC guys and anyone else
you want to bury it.
Speaker 2: Last week you killed.
Speaker 4: The record wait Osborne on seven days notice. He was
plus four to twenty or something. He did to lose,
but it went the distance and he almost knocked the
guy out round one.
Speaker 2: It was absolute live dog. Really yes, that means at okay? Yeah, No,
John gives out underdog.
Speaker 4: John gives out under the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: That was the beginning of the season, and you were
over one hundred and four and a half wins. I
gotta be honest, Steve, didn't you at one time? But
then week then you said, no, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: We're off this. I got under one.
Speaker 1: I remember Steve text me, and I didn't mean to
put you on a spot there.
Speaker 2: I remember you text me, you said, get off this.
Speaker 1: I wasn't on it. I wasn't to be honest, I
wasn't even on it. But on a serious note, though
people come after you all the times.
Speaker 2: Who a little bit is? You know your Twitter persona,
I mean, you do it to yourself.
Speaker 1: But however, though in person, they don't know how good
this guy is and talk about tip.
Speaker 2: I'm a tip guy.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks, about a month ago, you were
at the cage with me at the Circle cashier and
we went to go get money out of my account
and I had to get something like ten times for you,
and I get that, I said, just give it to him.
He pushed the button and transferred it. Steve's taking out
twenty dollars for the guy, I.
Speaker 2: Said, what's that for?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 1: Gotta take care of him. We had no cash transaction.
You pushed the button. But yeah, he's a very good
guy helping people, and we made a lot of money together.
I don't think you've ever paid me, to be honest
with you, No, no, no, that means it came out wrong.
Speaker 2: We have a settle figure.
Speaker 1: We have a settle figure every time, and I don't
think you've ever paid me a dollar and every time
I've paid you a five figure settlement every time.
Speaker 2: So it's good.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of outs, a lot of outs,
a lot of connections, a lot of good you know relations.
But anyway, neither one of us went according to some
of the people outside that door.
Speaker 2: You know, I was.
Speaker 1: Realisted my cousin was here, and you know this is
not my cousin from the from the Bronx, but I
have a cousin that was here.
Speaker 2: And he doesn't listen to anything I say. He's like,
I'm not listening to anything. He said, Listen.
Speaker 1: He calls me Cus too, goes Cus, Cuz I've been
losing my whole life. I know I'm not listening to
anything you say. I'm betting my own stuff. Anyone that
listens to anyone.
Speaker 2: Else but I'm like, he has no money.
Speaker 1: I swear he makes like one hundred and fifty, maybe
a little bit more, one hundred and eighty thousand a year.
He has no money. It all goes to the he
I told him I was going to use this story,
and he, you know, he made me a comment to me.
He said, I try to make a score with every
penny I have. Now I've made some hundred, he said,
I've made one hundred thousand dollars a couple of times,
but he has nothing.
Speaker 2: And I just thought about that, and John, what's it
like to do that?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 8: I was running where you were going.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean, I mean it's amazing, though, Joe Public.
On a serious note, I don't think like that. But
let me tell you something. Bill Krackenberger was a big
loser way before I was a winner. I was a
little djen. You know, I'm growing up in Mammoth County,
New Jersey. Used to come down. Before I lived in
Mammoth County, about forty five minutes out of Manhattan. I
used to come down every weekend the work of my
aunt and uncle's pizza stan. I was a little degenerate
with my buddies twelve thirteen, fourteen fifteen. My parents didn't
even know I was a little DJN. We played every
even though my cousin was teaching card counting, and he
was teaching you how to just keep track of two things,
aces and fives. It's one deck bill, four aces, four fives,
and they dealt to the bottom. So you could picture
it on the boardwalk when the business closed. All the
games of chance, the wheels they used to be called skillo,
and the different games of chance. They all came to
the pizza stan and gambled and they would deal head
to head blackjack, down to the bottom. So he taught
me a lot of things, but yet I would blow
the money at Mamma's race track. I would take a
bus from my little town in Kingsburg, take a bus
to Long Branch, from Long Branch to Eaton Town, and
I blow all the money. I was a total sucker
until one day I got a call from somebody in
jail from Scranton, Pennsylvania, and he called me up and said, hey,
he was just in jail for a stupid little thing.
But he found out something in Atlantic City about blackjack,
a blackjack machine. He didn't know much, but he said,
it's a blackjack machine in Atlantic City at the Golden Nugget.
Speaker 2: This is not the Golden Nugget that's there now.
Speaker 1: This is the old Golden Nugget, which then became Valley's
Grand the Hilton and the Atlantic. I ta get closed
as the Atlantic, and I go in there two in
the morning. I'm working two jobs. By the way, at
the time, I think I was selling I was selling cemetery.
Speaker 2: Plots at the time.
Speaker 1: Imagine mausolelliums and cemetery plots and doing radio sales in
the daytime. I'm like twenty three, you're twenty two, twenty
three years old. And I go down there, and the
guy next to me was just just what happens that
there's twelve machines, they're all full, and just an old
man got up. God, let the old man get up.
That's all I can tell you. Sitting in that seat,
the guy next to me changed my life. I would
never be here today if it wasn't for that guy.
And he was the head of the card count team
it resorts in Atlantic City, but by night he was
counting cards, looking for edges, doing things around nineteen ninety three,
and he actually said to me. There wasn't tickets in
and out of the time, the tito's were not there.
Speaker 2: You had to go.
Speaker 1: You put a one hundred dollars billion and you get
these dollar core there about this big there. Used to
sell them in a roll of twenty or forty. Fat
You're old enough for this, right, you know? The rolls
of coins. Oh, by the way, what a video last
night I've seen you. I'll talk about that later. I
had no idea this stuff happened. That's that's why. I mean,
I can't believe you got in here with a gun. Okay,
So anyway, so these rolls of coins, he says to me, He.
Speaker 2: Goes, hey, he's six foot six here you sor can
you buy? Do you know? Tell Frank Yeah, oh wow,
I remember.
Speaker 1: He says, can you buy a roll of tokens from me?
And I'm looking up at Lurch. I mean, he's sick,
he's so big, and I'm like sure, and I still
don't know why. And I get the coins and I'm
putting them in, but I'm watching to see what he's doing.
Speaker 2: And I realized this.
Speaker 1: You could put the dollar in a dollar and there
was a surrender button that gave you back the dollar.
So if you didn't like your hand, start over. So
if the dealer has a twenty up, I'm sorry, a
ten up, you should surrender, even with eighteen eighteen is
a losing hand long term, so you can get your
dollar back. And I'm doing it with him, and he's like, oh,
we want to fill the hopper. We don't want the
slot attendants coming over with bags and coins. They'll know
we're doing something. I don't even know what we're doing.
But he's that super smart. Not he's not really straight smart.
I love Frank, but i'm but he's not. Like he's
talking to me like I know what he's talking about.
And if anyone knows what surrender is, you get fifty
percent of your bet back.
Speaker 2: This machine gave you the whole dollar back.
Speaker 1: It may not sound like a lot, but here I
am twenty two years old. I got maybe two three
grand in the bank. I came down, there were five
hundred bucks and I made six thousand that night, and
I never looked back.
Speaker 2: Quit the jobs.
Speaker 1: Frank and I became partners in sports the next ten years.
And it's amazing. You know, Frank, I didn't I thought
maybe you knew him.
Speaker 5: But seeing him at Palace.
Speaker 2: At the Double Jokers, the Double Joker machines.
Speaker 9: Frank changed my life back when Trump only.
Speaker 2: I didn't have much money.
Speaker 1: And he's saying, do you bet with bookmakers in New
York because I have bookmakers in Philadelphia in South Jersey.
I said, yeah, he goes, well, wee can get some
nice middles and scalps. I didn't even really know what
middles and scalps were.
Speaker 2: So crack.
Speaker 6: How long was that machine like that today?
Speaker 2: Eighteen hours?
Speaker 1: Yeah, matter of fact, we built up all the comps
The next day they took all the comps back. I
remember I called my I wasn't married at the time,
I was dating my wife, and I said, listen, I'm
calling out of work.
Speaker 2: I got something going on. I can't talk to the
LC home.
Speaker 1: And I remember, though, Frank and I going partners though
after that, and the reason why we went partners. He
was working fifty hours a week at Resorts International. I
think Resorts is still a casino in Atlantic City. He
was working there, and when he was working there, he's like,
we can do some stuff and sports together, and you
can use my two hundred and fifty thousand I.
Speaker 2: Have for sports.
Speaker 1: I used his bankroll to build up my bankroll. How
lucky is that? How lucky is a guy you met?
Because if a guy got up from machine, sat down there,
and I was able to learn advantage sports bettings. I
went on to write for a site called the RX
dot com which was called The Prescription, and the owner
of the site gave me a bunch of money to
write an articles for him. By the way, I barely
graduated high school. I don't right, I have no journalists degree.
It's just all streets more, it's common sense. It's just
all things that I've done on my playbook here. So yeah,
by the way, I see Richie Wilkom the back here.
You work for the casino. Don't be repeating on it
this stuff to Steven's yeah, because I'm looking to rip
your eyes out too over the whole casino. But anyway,
Frank's changed my life. Bonuses back then were the big thing, Randy.
Were you involved in the nineties or no.
Speaker 5: Late nineties, late nineties, that's when I started ninety seven.
Speaker 1: You would send money from the sports books. You could
press a button and literally do a transfer to the
sports but from one sports book to the other transfer
over ten thousand, they give you a two thousand dollars bonus,
or better yet, they would give you one hundred percent
bonus if you've rolled it over seven times. There was
some sick ones SPIAU, who's going to be He's going
to be in the He's not here, right, I hope not.
But Spiro is going to be in the Hall of Fame.
On Friday Night. Spiro had the best bonus ever. He
had a ten thousand dollars bonus. Send him ten thousand,
and the book was called bet Jamaica. He bought a
book called bet Jamaica off of these guys in Curis.
How I believe Well, no, actually I think they were.
I think they were the one guy, Marty was in
Curis How I believe so. But yeah, they have a
ten thousand dollars bonus. Just send over ten to bet Jamaica.
I swear, I don't know how I did this. I
pressed the button I sent it from this They were
in the same office because he owned the Greek dot
com bet Jamaica.
Speaker 2: Same office. Took ten out of my Beck Greek account
put it into bet Jamaica.
Speaker 1: I had twenty thousand. They doubled the bonus right in
the same building. The bonuses were the biggest thing back then.
Speaker 5: Mansion had a free free bet. Lose a thousand, they
give you back a thousand on the Steelers that first
opening game back in the day, I did one with
bet Maker.
Speaker 2: I don't know if bet Maker wasn't cure us how And.
Speaker 5: You could do five sign ups with them and get
up to five thousand dollars. All the other people had
to do was put like two thousand sign ups, so
that that was another good one as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just mentioned Mansion. Here's a perfect example about
sports Looger Mansion.
Speaker 2: We're rich.
Speaker 1: They were pretty rich guys from New York. So Mansion
opens up and they decide to take the NBA totals.
Frank taught me this. I didn't Frank taught me this.
Speaker 2: He's like, Bill, what they're doing is very wrong.
Speaker 1: They had this is like the year two thousand, the
total on the game's two hundred.
Speaker 2: It's fifty each quarter. That's what they said. That's not true.
The first quarter.
Speaker 1: Should be fifty two, Steve something like that. Fifty two.
They had fifty on every quarter. I bet every single
one over and like built up a bankroll from that,
I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: And they were a credit shop.
Speaker 1: Somehow I got credit there, but using Frank's money post
up at a lot of those places. There was places
in Australia can bet, and there was a couple of
different sports books there. That's how I built up a
bankroll doing that stuff. And just like with now with
DraftKings and FanDuel and stuff, if you have a casino
host right now, a host on one of those sites,
they're still offering. One of our friends just got a
twenty five thousand dollars bonus. He put in twenty five thousand,
he lost it. They matched the twenty five thousand again.
This is I'll just say it's DraftKings. So if so,
if you have a sucker account, just or not a
sucker account, that's the wrong word. If you have a
losing account, there's nothing wrong with emailing a DraftKings or
FanDuel and saying, hey, I just lost two grand, it
just lost five grand. What can you do for me?
Is there a host here? Because I can go over
to Fandel, I can go over to MGM.
Speaker 10: Just ask.
Speaker 2: It can't hurt you asking. But that just happened with
those books. So guys.
Speaker 1: I want to bring up a couple guys to talk
about their business, which I'm actually learning more about every day.
The first I'm gonna have is one of our sponsors
on the show. We're gonna come up here. Come on up,
wager Wire, come on up with us and introduce yourself
to everybody and tell us.
Speaker 2: How you know. I'm I don't like parlays.
Speaker 1: They're really bad sucker bets, but that's what the books
make their money out fifty percent. Some of them are
reporting more than that, so I don't look at anything
parlay related.
Speaker 2: So I do, but no kidding, but can't even do it.
Speaker 1: No, but now that I noticed that wager wire had
some of the stuff on their site, I actually literally
text Matt and said, Matt, this is a real thing,
So tell tell the people what you you know you
can do. If you ever have a site one of
these sites, you'll see they offer buyouts. They're total sucker bets.
Buy out for this or that. I've talked too much, Sorry, guys, No, no, well.
Speaker 6: Thanks for bringing me on. Zach Doctor with wager Wire
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so a lot of people come to us when they
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just our calculator if you want to just see what
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then yeah, we put up on the market. Buyers come in.
You know people here in this room might want to
be buyers. You can buy that ticket. Basically you have
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Speaker 6: We just got in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have one shows? All right?
Speaker 11: Well, actually one better has two different crazy bets on
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Speaker 6: They're both five leg parlays. Three of the legs have
hit already.
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March Madness, They got the Thunder to win the NBA Finals,
and then they got Edmonton Oilers to make it to
the finals. So the first ticket will win. It will
win a million dollars, seven figure payout. The last two
legs are the Yankees to make the.
Speaker 1: World Series, to make it, not to win make the
World Series, that's even tough.
Speaker 2: Tough, that's not happening.
Speaker 6: And then the Lions to win the Super Bowl. That's
I don't really think the Lions are going to win
it either.
Speaker 11: Division he bet one hundred bucks to win a million
right now, our calculator, given the odds I think on
the Lions are like plus one thousand Yankees is plus
five hundred to make the World Series. It's worth fifteen grand.
And so a lot of times these guys don't have
the capital to hedge it. You know, they're facing a
decision where that could be life changing money to somebody,
and they don't have really any out. So what wager
wired does you know? We do more than just the
secondary market too. We're really just trying to help you
after the bettest place get the most value out of it.
But the same guy has another one with the same
three legs hit. This one will win five hundred and
fifty five thousand, but it has the Lions still as
the winner. As the Super Bowl winner, but the other
leg instead of the Yankees, it's Dodgers to.
Speaker 6: Win the World Series.
Speaker 8: Now we're talking.
Speaker 11: Yeah, John, you should buy this one. This one's worth
about eleven thousand. As long as the Dodgers win it,
you're in the money.
Speaker 6: You could sell the lion's.
Speaker 2: Leg before it's over. Great, great question.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think the cash out. I don't know there's
a cash out on the million dollar one. On the
five hundred and fifty five K, it's about six thousand,
and the current value, based on the odds of the
two legs remaining, would be more like eleven thousand.
Speaker 1: Okay, so six thousand the site that you're betting an
I'm to offer a wager wire it's up for gonna
be up for less than eleven though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So like the.
Speaker 11: Happy medium is right, Yeah, you could just knew better today.
You could just place a parley on the Daughters and
the lions. So that's kind of the ceiling of what
it could trade for, right, because otherwise why would you
buy it from this guy?
Speaker 6: You just place a new one.
Speaker 11: But then so in between that those two prices of
basically laying twelve k would be the placing it out
the sports book versus the cash out price is kind
of the.
Speaker 6: Floor you have to beat.
Speaker 11: So there's a big window, you know, it's forty percent
margin in there in between basically, So wager Wire lives
in that, in that middle ground where it's a win
win on both sides.
Speaker 6: A lot of times their buyers will just buy that
and hedge it out.
Speaker 11: Sometimes they'll you know, be willing to take some positional
risk on the other side. But I think, John, you
should buy that daughter's one. That one feels right up
your alley home.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think? I mean, yeah, lions, that's
not happening. That's gonna be tough. Yeah happen.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: It could be some hedging, right.
Speaker 1: You know, Steve I was on air doing a podcast
with and brought their thing up with John. When the
podcast was over, I said, wait a minute, I'm not reading.
Speaker 2: We're all air now.
Speaker 1: I called them. I said, listen, the MAT's not right here.
Something's wrong. You're telling me this. I said, I could
lock up like six thousand dollars right now by buying this,
and they actually said yes. So I'm surprised they didn't
have someone in there, you know, like trying to. I
mean some of the value is sometimes people don't even
know the bids that the offers they put up. I
don't look at anything partly related. This opened my eyes
eyes to that a little bit. And thanks for your
question though, Steve. Steve, by the way, Steve Diana one
of the sharpest guys in the business for years, FATS
is one of the sharpest guys. Been around every single
major syndicate. Hope, I'm allowed to say this, you know,
and in and out of jail.
Speaker 2: It is what it is. We're all friends. No, no, but.
Speaker 1: No, but but Steve, Steve's I remember World Series.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Poker, you want to get a game, and Steve's
trying to.
Speaker 1: And guys that are trying to get ras games going
usually the smarter ones. I've seen a hand him.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so we're I mean, we work with draftings.
Speaker 11: We're actually talking about that we have an integrated white
label version of this that we're pitching them to actually
plug right in as a feature in their as ye.
Speaker 6: So yeah, like we've never had.
Speaker 11: Any problem with them trying to avoid something because it
was traded, Like the bet stays in the seller's account
and then you know it doesn't actually move unless we're
integrated with them. So it's really like DraftKings is kind
of none the wiser for when it trades when we're
not plugged in. But yes, like I mean, we're trying
to get this plug in with them, so it could
be real time settlement, instant transfer, the payout.
Speaker 6: That makes it a lot cleaner for taxes and everything
else too.
Speaker 11: But you know we can we can facilitate it outside
of the system as well.
Speaker 1: Do you have a hard time dealing with these these
guys with their fancy college degrees that have no common sense? Now,
I'm not saying DraftKings in general, all of them, though
they're marketing guys. They're guys that never gambled in their life.
I said already if I had a sports book, or
if I had a casino, if I was a casino on,
I would never hire anyone to list lose a paycheck.
I want you, guys, I want my employees to know
where to list, to gamble, and what it is to
feel like that you know sucker or something.
Speaker 2: Are you have a hard time getting to them?
Speaker 1: Every casino has levels where they pay, They pay people
to say no, so you don't get to let's say
I'll use here, so well, Derek's so hands on, I
can't really use here.
Speaker 2: Let's use a corporation. Let's use the Caesars.
Speaker 1: So you can't get to the guy at Caesar's up
top because.
Speaker 2: He has many levels below him.
Speaker 1: And those people they're petrified to make any decisions that's
going to cost them their jobs. They want to just
steal their paycheck and go home. And they don't want
to be asked any question. God only ask me a
question today that can get fired.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 1: No, So do you have a hard time getting to
the right person at the DraftKings, FanDuel, all these big companies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you.
Speaker 11: Got to work that, work your way up to those
relationships basically. But we've been in this, We've been going
at it for a couple of years and with the
help of you know, kind.
Speaker 6: Of folks like you and yeah, other people have been
doing the build relationships.
Speaker 2: So tell them how they can find you. You have
the app and that we have an Apple Wager wire.
Speaker 11: We're in the app Store and Android and Apple, and
then you can go to our website as well.
Speaker 6: Find us on Twitter. Twitter's our main social account.
Speaker 2: And how about your actual website.
Speaker 7: Is it.
Speaker 11: Good?
Speaker 6: You can find you know, find me on Twitter to
wage to our.
Speaker 1: CEO, and you're pretty pretty open to answering questions and stuff.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, most people come to us just because they want
to find out, you know, what are my options. You know,
they're not even necessarily there yet to like get to
the selling part and they use the calculator, see what
it's worth, and then we can put it up and
start fielding bids. You want to be a buyer and
just like throw some low balls out there see if
someone buyes.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, appreciate it, Thank you, thank It's
a good deal.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 1: So the next guy I'm bringing up is I have
some really qu I don't work with him right now,
but I have some questions for them because I've had
some problems in my life getting money to sports books
and payment solutions. This is thirty years Senny, can you
come on up, Senny Thomas. Edge Boost is his company.
They were one of the sponsors at the World Series and.
Speaker 2: I saw them all over the World Series this year
and Vson I do my VS show.
Speaker 1: I hear you guys on Vson, So you know my
experience with credit cards online and with companies. First of all,
they charge me fees.
Speaker 2: I hate. I ran the money on I don't know
if you work with Do you work with betmgm?
Speaker 11: You do?
Speaker 2: I mean I ran the money on bet MGM.
Speaker 1: I had to run down to the strip and I
went and looked at like credit card options and stuff,
just because I needed to bet in that minute. Knew
it was gonna move and you can bet more at
the counter sometimes, but this particular situation, I wanted to
bet at the app, didn't have the money there. I
looked to payment Solutions and I see they charge you
like three percent or something. Now we'll tell people what
you guys do compared to what's out there now any
competition wise.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So, I mean, first of all, I mean, thank thanks
for having us. I mean, bette bash is really kind
of our people.
Speaker 7: We've really kind of built this entire product from the
ground up with a lot of feedback from the community.
And at the end of the day, because I kind
of like maybe a show of hands, right, how many
people here have been had a bank account frozen or
a transaction frozen, been kicked out of the bank.
Speaker 1: I've been throwing to like like like lose your Chase
Chase bank, right, Yeah, they do so many gaming transactions,
they just.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely hate it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, if you
have any gambling transactions, you are, you know, a second
class citizen.
Speaker 8: It's businesses they don't want.
Speaker 7: And we've heard all kinds of horror stories and the
same with like you know, PayPal accounts getting frozen.
Speaker 2: There's no one to communicate with.
Speaker 8: So we took the long, painful route.
Speaker 7: You know, it took us about four years, and we've
actually spun up an entire bank only for the gaming industry.
So what that means is you sign up with us,
you know, you get an FDIs see insured checking account.
But what's cool about this is it is one hundred
percent approval for all gambling transactions. This is could be
sports betting and horse racing. You can walk into any consisting.
Speaker 2: So hard to believe one hundred percent approval.
Speaker 7: One hundred percent approval and you can do a quarter
million dollars a day in volume.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 7: And it's the highest debit card limited in history for
any banking product. And the only thing this bank account
can do though, is gambling. So we kind of stay
in our lane and we worked with a lot of
the regulators to say, hey, this is all we're gonna do,
but we're gonna do it really well. Uh and once
you have that bank account, you know, you can keep
all these transactions off of your primary checking it's really clean.
We have a lot of great kind of budgeting and
responsible gambling features built into it as well. And then
we're really excited to kind of announce that we've been
getting a lot of feedback here at bet bash Is.
You know, we've been working Actually, Circu has been a
phenomenal partner. You know, they have a lot of people. Obviously,
they take a lot of great action, people flying in
with you know, two hundred K and you know, and
then their backpacks. Right, So we can kind of help
streamline facilitate a lot of those types of transactions. But
not only is it difficult to get money in, right,
but to your point, outside of banking hours, it's pretty
much impossible to access any money. You know, you can
walk into you know, any casino, were trying to get
money in on on a weekend, you know, on a
Saturday morning for some action on Sunday, it's not a
lot of options.
Speaker 8: So we are now the first and only bank right
now in the US.
Speaker 7: It's been approved for real time bank to bank transfers
for gaming, and then coming in October as well, we've
been approved for crypto to USD conversion for gaming as well,
and we basically built up.
Speaker 1: Supply Centay, you're the bank though we are a bank. Yeah,
I got to be blunt. I just found that this today.
So now you're saying encrypto. Isn't the government petrified of
any of these things happening? Uncle Sam, big brother on
top of you, how did you get this reduction?
Speaker 7: It was really painful and I think I had to
start dying my hair a little bit. Yeah, I had
two kids along the way as well, you know, last four.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just being serious. I'm just like, how can
you get all these things approved? These were so strict.
Now they're trying to charge us taxes on money. Would't
to win and here you have.
Speaker 8: It's a great question.
Speaker 7: But the real key to this is that we set
this up as the first and only limited use checking
account in the US. So yeah, circa for example, you
could walk up to the cage with our.
Speaker 8: Car pull out a quarter million bucks. But if you
went to the.
Speaker 7: Bar the card is declined, so we stay in our lane.
And actually by blocking all of these transactions that are
not a ID verified you know, kyced gaming transaction.
Speaker 8: We actually block a lot of the potential money laundering vectors.
Speaker 7: Right. You can't go by gift cars or swipe it
as some shady restaurant.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: And the good news too is that if someone steals
your car, the only place they could ever use it
at is an other account that is controlled by you.
Speaker 8: It has also been IDE verified.
Speaker 1: I'm looking on this thing, randing Amy. So you guys
are paying people back for using the card.
Speaker 2: We sure do.
Speaker 7: So we make money, right, so every single time that
card is swipe, you know, we generate about one point
three percent. That's what pays for card rewards programs, and
we actually do pass through up to a half a
percent to our players.
Speaker 2: Let me let me be blump. How do you make money?
Speaker 8: Well on the rest of it, right, it's a volume
game for us.
Speaker 7: We will have additional fees for some of like the
things around the crypto conversion and such.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7: It's it's really just a safe place where you know,
you can kind of sleep a little bit better, you know,
you'll never wake up with some kind of freeze or
you know, everyone here has gone through the pain.
Speaker 4: Can you deposit cash directly into you or it has to.
Speaker 7: Go to your bank first, then to go to your
bank versus's That's a great question.
Speaker 2: Is always trying to skip?
Speaker 4: I'm always trying to launder, you know, no kidding, never serious,
stop recording, serious, stop recording.
Speaker 7: Okay, but but yeah, you know, we were working really
closely with a lot of the operators now as well,
and you know it's you know, whether it's online or offline.
I mean, cash access is really the biggest you know,
pain point for.
Speaker 8: Both players but also the operators.
Speaker 7: And then you kind of look at the Lambeast community
when you know we're doing a lot actually you know
with Circa here, you know, with Changa and a number
of other casinos, and.
Speaker 8: It's still eighty percent cash, which is wild.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is like the single largest use case
for cash left in the entire US economy, and the
main bottlenk has always been banking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Plus I saw a little advantage play too. If you
sign up for you guys have a little will spin.
I saw it last night at.
Speaker 8: The say it's actually been stopping a lot on the
five hundred.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's right, but never a fear.
Speaker 1: Randy will tell you any kind of bonus so you
could steal, Sonny, how can they find you since edgeboost dot.
Speaker 7: Bet if you do use the bet bashed promo code
and sign up and you do started a higher tier
as well, so that I'll give you a higher limits
as well as higher cash back to get started.
Speaker 8: But but yeah, you know we're here.
Speaker 7: We have a booth here, you know, happy to answer
any more questions.
Speaker 2: But good and Steve has a question. Thanks, we got
what Steve that is correct?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, so that they're just very good questions.
So this is for US residence for legal US operators. Again,
I mean we got to stay in our lane. There
any dollar that goes, you know, across the border, it
gets quite complicated.
Speaker 2: Well, Senny, thanks for coming on. We appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you telling us a couple of things. Steve Physicks,
you sent me something. You're right when we do get
these bonuses, I learned this from you. When you do
get a bonus, even the little two hundred dollars bonus
for five hundred dollars bonus, and yeah, sure, ye sell
your product and walk.
Speaker 2: Out, all right, So it is what it is. We're
all you know, it is what it is. Okay.
Speaker 1: So this this guy, this guy must be just like
a college educated, very bright guy, lives in a little hoy.
Speaker 2: He must like hate me. I ask him all the
critical stuff, all right. So anyway, Steve, you're right.
Speaker 1: When you get these little two hundred dollars booster bonuses,
why should we play them at something plus money that's
even a future rather than just bet two hundred on
the aks tonight minus two hundred and let me get
one hundred bucks.
Speaker 2: Because if you play it.
Speaker 12: Against the spread, you're gonna let's say at eight bonuses,
all right, one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Eight bonuses, that's.
Speaker 8: Gonna be worth four hundred because you're gonna go four and.
Speaker 2: Four probably right, so you're gonna.
Speaker 4: Win four to take away your month.
Speaker 13: So you're gonna get four hundred dollars. So that eight
hundred bonuses, it's worth fifty cents on the dollar. Well,
let's assume we play some by hundred dollars. Let's say
you play some threeteen parlays. Right, you're gonna go and
play eight of them, all right. Normally we don't like
to say.
Speaker 2: Parlays, but now parleys, yes, so we go one and seven.
That's what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 13: And in fact, you could play every combination of.
Speaker 12: The If there's three different games and you're gonna go
one and seven, well guess what you're gonna get back
six hundred instead of four hundred. So you're gonna get
seventy five cents on the dollar versus fifty cents on
the dollars.
Speaker 2: So think about this.
Speaker 13: If you get a thousand dollars bonus, that's like you're
gonna get seven.
Speaker 12: Fifty bucks back instead of five hundred dollars. Has nothing
to do with handicapping. The handicap work.
Speaker 11: They'll lick.
Speaker 13: So always play like a big money line.
Speaker 12: You got to take big mine of my dog, play
for the boy.
Speaker 2: So that's good.
Speaker 1: That's good to know though, because most people would just say, hey,
I'm betting my two hundred dollars partly on the end
my two hundred dollars bonus on the anks tonight because
they should win their minus two to one.
Speaker 2: So that's good to know. Onto a couple other things.
Question but who else? Of course.
Speaker 8: The whole point.
Speaker 3: You get a chance to push, you might get more combinations.
Speaker 2: More interesting, interesting, and one more if you like, you
bet your balls off on.
Speaker 13: Some teezer and take minus seven down much fine, you're like,
please God, Denver.
Speaker 2: Wine and I thought them and survived.
Speaker 13: Or Also, what's it natural to play the Titans with
a bonus?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: So you just kind of play that back on the.
Speaker 12: Titans plus twenty five?
Speaker 2: So think about it.
Speaker 13: If your Survivor pick on Denver goes off the flames boom,
well at least you got a little consolation with that.
Speaker 1: On the other on the dog, Steve, why you're standing up,
don't sit while you're standing up.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I want.
Speaker 1: You to just tell people because I love that strategy
for Survivor.
Speaker 2: Can you just tell him about the.
Speaker 1: Eagles first first week what they should do or listen,
We're all going to get in Survivor no matter what.
But why should we get more entries if something happens? Yeah,
come up, of course, get on video. We're not No,
it's actually a very good strategy. And I tell you
what I now, I tell Frankie, my buddy, Frankie, Myrtle
Beach he's got so much gamble to my said, listen,
this is a good strategy. I don't even know this happened.
I sent him the strategy. He goes, hey, you're out
of your mind. I'm getting ten entries no matter what.
But because he's just a gambler, but go ahead, Steve,
tell a story.
Speaker 10: So it's fantastic that Circa and other shops let you
enter up until Saturday for Survivor, but the game start
on Thursday. So think about that. If you want to
play survive and you want to optimize your entries, you
really want to pass post the information what happens if
Philly beats Dallas boom. Now you're gonna have like four
or five thousand people, assuming like twenty twenty five percent
of the people are gonna take Philly right and they're
one to oh, you're oh to oh, they're ahead of you.
Speaker 2: So you're now paying a rake. Survivors a lot of fun.
Speaker 10: You still might want to enter, but recognize you are
paying a rake, not because that circa is charging you,
but basically you're behind the eight ball because there's a
bunch of people who are already through to week two. However,
should Philly lose to Dallas. Now you're gonna have like
four five thousand people all put in one thousand dollars
and it all goes into the pool. It's a fantastic overlay.
So if you're trying to think like how many entries
should I have in survivors?
Speaker 2: Should I have three? Should I have six? Well, if
Dallas wins, you should have ten.
Speaker 10: That's gonna be the best possible usage of your money
because you're gonna have like a twenty percent over. But
if Philly wins, pump the brakes and probably go clauses.
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, now you would think like,
look at look at the Dallas line today.
Speaker 2: A couple six is popped up there, so there's six
and a half. There's even one seven.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the live screen, there's a couple of
Philadelphia doesn't have to beat Dallas.
Speaker 2: As we know.
Speaker 1: Last year, look what happened uh Cincinnati first week? I
think there were seven to seven and a half point
favorite as we are, Yeah, there was a by by
what you know, someone the other day told me by
was it?
Speaker 2: By week five? Ninety six percent was out of the pool.
That's unbelievable. I don't remember that you're welcome to stay
if you want.
Speaker 5: You're gonna add the phasis strategy to a lot of
people are gonna rebuy if Philly loses as well, so
that'll add.
Speaker 2: We didn't want to tell him that.
Speaker 1: No, no, I honestly, it is a good strategy, like
like Steve says, to go to that.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: Now, this is a shocking thing that that just came
out that I was reading.
Speaker 2: Do you know Nevada leads the.
Speaker 1: Country in unemployment zero point five percent out of work.
Speaker 2: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I thought our economy, even though we had a slow July,
our economy's booming. There's no one taking up collection buckets
for these casinos. They're literally they have made one percent
more year over year gambling wise, but they're down double
digit ten eleven, twelve, fifteen year. Heard different things, but
I didn't know that Nevada was down on We were
the number one unemployment rate in the country.
Speaker 2: Is that because they're gambling?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that because according to what I'm reading
here and this is a really good site, this is
casino dot Org. I got a lot of good stories
off there. This story came from there. Good, there's some
really good guys. I just didn't know that we were
that bad economy wise. I didn't realize that Richie left.
Richie Wilke left, he's out.
Speaker 2: We can talk about circa now.
Speaker 1: No, no, Richie, Richie's been around. I've known Richie twenty
five years. I wanted to know how long he was
in town. I didn't know you, not that I want
to talk about a bad thing. But there was a
roof fire. It's an hour the other day. Did you
know about that roof fired? To harr evacuated the most
of it was quickly a sting extinguished, but they evacuated
a lot of the building. Now, this just happened over
at the Cromwell too. There was a fire at the Cromwell.
But of course now they have sprinklers and stuff, so
they got the people out. But it reminded me of
something that probably almost everyone in this room won't know
or remember about because it happened before us.
Speaker 2: But it happened in nineteen eighty. There was a big
fire here at MGM Grand Oh big yeah, you know, yeah, okay,
I feel like my dad was there? Oh was your
dad actually there?
Speaker 1: Think?
Speaker 13: So?
Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, well, what was there? I seen your dad
there on a video.
Speaker 4: That was when MGM was was where the Bally's is
are now the horses now horseshop.
Speaker 1: I've seen your dad on a great video there with
Muhammad Ali and Dean Martin on.
Speaker 2: The roast roast. So I've seen that, so I know
they used to do the roast in that building.
Speaker 1: But nineteen eighty at MGM, you know these things they
want to sweep on the road.
Speaker 2: Don't want to talk about this stuff. Now, eighty five
people were killed inside the casino. I didn't know that
eighty five people, like, no one even knows about that.
Speaker 1: But I just went back to that fire to see what,
how did that possibly happen? No sprinklers in the casino
except in the casino cage.
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable. Money, that's unbelievable. Just protect the money. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: I rerather one in twenty ten. I know if you
guys remember the.
Speaker 2: Money, Carlo right on people, I was intense.
Speaker 5: I said, if it was it would have been a
windy day that day, it would have been real bad.
The whole strip might have lit up. If if that
wouldn't have.
Speaker 9: Been Yeah, this incident that was one I remember.
Speaker 1: But since then, this incident that happened in nineteen eighty
literally led to the reformation of the whole safety code
and sprinklers now everywhere.
Speaker 2: But I did not know until I've seen this a horrifire.
Speaker 1: I thought, like a couple people died eighty five, that
giant news. I just thought it was, you know, not
that I had to get try to be, you know,
bring the show down. Also, Arizona, I find Arizona just amazing.
Arizona Chris Cris which was offshore for years. Chris is
now legal in Arizona. One thing, and I'm happy. I'm
happy for them. I like that brand back East, it's
called Prime sports Book. I like those guys. You know,
they've been around for a while, and I like they
take on all comers. They don't throw out people. They're
not like the other sports books that will limit you.
They'll learn off you and and literally take your bet
and move the lines. But the Arizona Department of Gaming
this week has launched the first statewide public education campaign
to protect consumers from a legal gambling risk from offshore
sports books. I just can't believe, like Arizona's protecting. They're
they're going after the sports books offshore.
Speaker 2: They have a ton of their own sports books there.
Speaker 1: And I read about this thing about protecting kids and
protect Listen, I'm the one that tells it like it is.
Get myself in trouble A lot costs myself sponsors at Bunny.
I want to tell right now, if they didn't have
to talk about the gambling with the kids and protecting
people and stuff. I do it every week and all
my show, so I talk about stuff like that. It's
just when I read this stuff, it's just it infuriates me.
Speaker 13: Though.
Speaker 1: Now you want to go after what about looking at
your own state and all the sports But I'm not
saying Chris, but you know they have DraftKings fans, all
the big sports books are there. But yet they want
to have a national campaign to go after sports books.
Let me tell you, guys about Randy and I. So
I told you about Randy and I. We you know
we're professional betters. I want to ask Randy Grand do
you have anything for I didn't know this is a
cold question here, have any futures? What do you like
in the NFL this year?
Speaker 5: I haven't pulled a trigger. I'm still waiting for a
you know, preseason of course, I you know some of
the rsws.
Speaker 2: I've looked at regular season wins.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I've looked at, you know, some of the
different divisions. I got kind of you know, my top
four teams in each division. And you know, I talked
to you that one about kind of like the Bears
under I haven't bet it yet, but.
Speaker 2: That's one that we bet. That's funny.
Speaker 1: I bet the Bears on you know, but you could
wait with the Bears because in this town everyone loves
to bet the Bears, Chicago team, even the Cubs, but
they loved so you can get some people come in
last minute to sign up for circles, sign up for
and also do the bet on the Bears to win
the Super Bowl. I always like to have a ticket
to bring home. Well, you have no futures then for
us right now, but you're looking at the Bears under
which I actually did get the bet the Bears.
Speaker 5: Kind of like the Vikings maybe to win the division.
That might be a little contrarian.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's not that's actually and you know.
Speaker 5: Detroit second and then the Packers third. But sill that goes.
But I got, you know, top four in each division there,
you know, the or the NFC West is kind of
you know with the Stafford injury. Can't really I might
be contrary against the Rams there some people like them.
San Francisco's got a very easy schedule. I could see
them bouncing back. I could see Arizona being surprise team
in that division and then Seattle on the bottom.
Speaker 1: So I actually went over to Westgate last week and
bet Rams not to make the playoffs after the Stafford
information taking the dollars seventy I.
Speaker 4: Think or sty can can you acknowledge in front of
all these nice people that the Broncos are going to
win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Can you do that? Can you do it? And that's
Joe Public.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll just clip this up super Bowl time.
Speaker 5: I do have the Broncos finishing first.
Speaker 1: Ah wow, Broncos really thumbs down out there, Broncos.
Speaker 5: Some of US Charger News losing their left tackle. That's
a bad loss for them, and then trying to think
of the other team in the division. But I see
them being last. Yeah, the Raiders being the last.
Speaker 1: There Fez anything and any future is still available, anything
that that that can gives the people.
Speaker 2: Is that still out there? Okay? So Stafford under.
Speaker 9: That's a kiosk bed, right, yeah, well you got.
Speaker 2: What are you taking there?
Speaker 1: That's yeah, great, great great?
Speaker 5: Anybody else had any opinions out there? NFL everybody argue
your opinions, but there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I wanted to lastly talk about my buddy Scott.
Here is proxy service and uh, you know, as you
don't even know, I talked about you on the show
last week and I was telling like, uh that we
were in.
Speaker 2: We do our show at Westgate.
Speaker 1: So we're at Westgate doing the show and there was
a proxy service there, which they're very good. Yeah, they're
very But then I mentioned his proxy service. I don't
know if anyone could be as in depth focused on
not making a mistake, and I think that would be
the number one thing with a proxy service. I'd be
so afraid. And I asked those those people that were
that were running the proxy I'm forget, I'm sorry, I
forgot their name, husband and wife or not husband and wife.
They're just a guy and a girl that they run.
They owned the service, and they were saying I was like,
all these employees, you got, how do you trust him
to put all these picks in every week and they
say they don't. They put all the picks in, Scott.
Now are you putting all the picks in? Not your wife?
You're and it'll be fine if your wife are. I'm
just asking so you do because I know the way
you are focused on things. And what's the name of
the service again, VHP proxy? You're outside there my wife right?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: So that's just another good, really good proxy service. I
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Speaker 2: I was just going to see that, Yeah, there's a lot.
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Speaker 1: And to be real blunt, it's great and you want
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Speaker 1: Anyway, we really appreciate all you coming out. Lots of
females in the audience today. Guys, there's a lot of
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your time and your effort coming out here and staying
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Speaker 2: It means a lot to me. Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Thanks everybody. Thanks are done.