WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:03.520 Well life. 2 00:00:04.400 --> 00:00:06.639 Okay, guys, got another debate for y'all today. We got 3 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.000 Brian Shapiro, Jay Dher both have been on the show. 4 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:11.960 Thanks for coming guys in person. Let's make this thing happen. 5 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:13.560 So we're going to talk about Trump today. I ran 6 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:16.440 and Alex Jones. I know Brian wanted to talk about 7 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:18.719 Alex Jones, but absolutely you want to lead this thing 8 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:19.679 off with Alex Brian. 9 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:21.559 All right, Well, first of all, thanks for being here. Man, 10 00:00:21.640 --> 00:00:24.079 nice to meet you. I've seen I've seen some of 11 00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:26.920 your stuff on social media. I'll be honest with you. 12 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:29.399 What we do is probably a little different. Right, as 13 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:31.640 we were talking off the air, you debate, you've been 14 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:33.679 doing this for like what twenty five years, right, long time. 15 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.200 I've been doing radio for almost that long. But my 16 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:38.439 show is more of like the last twenty four hours, 17 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:40.679 you know, talking about news of the day and that 18 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:43.240 sort of stuff. But all right, let's start. I wanted 19 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:44.679 to start off by asking you about something because I 20 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.840 know you're friends with Alex Jones, right, and I know 21 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:49.359 this is probably something more. We'll get into it a 22 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:53.880 little bit, but bull well, you know, I come from Connecticut. 23 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:55.960 I was raised in Connecticut, and obviously where the Sandy 24 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:59.719 Hook shooting was. And I say to myself, and I've listened, 25 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.159 I've reviewed his ex wife. That's kind of irrelevant to 26 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.560 this conversation that I've had private conversations with her, But 27 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:07.680 I've also interviewed some of the parents who have lost 28 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.719 their children, eight and nine year olds that were decapitated, 29 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.760 and Alex Jones made their pain worse. And I thought 30 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.840 what he did was reprehensible. And then he used the 31 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.519 excuse of psychosis, which I think is utter bullshit. He 32 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:23.920 knew that that shooting happened. He's not a stupid guy, 33 00:01:24.480 --> 00:01:26.519 and he only lied about it on the air with 34 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:31.359 his huge platform and said that they were actors, you 35 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.799 know what he said. And he only did that for 36 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:38.000 clicks and money. And you're making the pain of parents, 37 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:39.439 like I said, some of them who I had to 38 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.280 talk to an interview, and my heart goes out to them, 39 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:43.879 and I'm sure yours does as well. And he called 40 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:45.719 them actors, and he made their pain worse. And I 41 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:50.079 find only a reprehensible, despicable human being would do what 42 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:52.439 Alex Jones does. Now, he is a conspiracy theorist, and 43 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.480 I understand he says a lot of batshit crazy stuff. 44 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.120 But if you don't hurt somebody by doing that, then 45 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:59.840 I don't have a problem with it. You could think 46 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:02.280 nine eleven was an inside job and you can find 47 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:05.359 if you're not hurting anybody. But he hurt those people 48 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.319 who are already grieving the loss of their children. And 49 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:11.840 I'm wondering how you could be friends with somebody who 50 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:16.000 does that. I just I don't It's unbelievable to me 51 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.560 that he would even do something like that and then 52 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:22.120 blame it on psychosis, Like, how could you square up 53 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.280 and be friends with somebody like that? Because I don't 54 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:26.080 know you. I don't know you, I've never hung out 55 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.360 with you. I'm just asking, like, how how can you 56 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:31.840 be friends with somebody who did that? And are you 57 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:32.680 willing to call that out? 58 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.199 Well, I think Alex himself has called that out. Alex 59 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.360 has admitted that he made a huge mistake. I remember 60 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.560 at the time when the trials were happening, one thing 61 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:42.319 that I noticed in a lot of the you know, 62 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:47.000 examinations and the prosecution questioning, was that there seemed to 63 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:50.319 be quite a bit of laxity when it came to 64 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.879 vetting the guests, and that was hammer Home with multiple 65 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.919 people that produced the show, and the way that I'm 66 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:57.719 sure you know, the way that media works, especially for 67 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.520 high profile people, is that a lot of that is 68 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.319 farmed out to people that work for you to vet 69 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.560 the guests and whatnot. So I think there was some 70 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:09.080 significant failures, mainly with vetting people like Wolfgang. How big 71 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:11.240 people that ended up being I think probably con men, 72 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:13.960 and Alex was lax in that. I think that was 73 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:17.479 a huge mistake. I think that there is precedent not 74 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.439 for what happened at Sandy Hook, but for the idea 75 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:23.039 of government being involved in types of things like that, 76 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.879 like the Operation Gladio for example. That's a publicly declassified 77 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:27.319 document to. 78 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.479 I get that, But the government, as you know, wasn't involved. 79 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.199 In I'm just saying, I said, there's precedent for the 80 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.199 understand which is why Alex would have had in his 81 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.800 mind legitimacy, legitimacy to question certain topics. 82 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.080 So why would you question that? Though? Why would you 83 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.719 question a school shooting hours after the children are killed? 84 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:48.560 Because if Operation Gladia includes public shootings at places, light 85 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.439 malls or perhaps even schools, there's no reason why you 86 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:51.919 couldn't quit. 87 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:53.879 But wouldn't you question it if there was some sort 88 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.240 of evidence to prove, like the twenty twenty election. I mean, 89 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.240 Trump still says I'm sure we can get into that. 90 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:02.599 But it's like when listen, if people have ideas or opinions, 91 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.800 they're entitled to that. That's fine. But like I said, 92 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.159 I'm not someone who's trying to censor free speech. But 93 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:08.800 at the same time, when you say things that can 94 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:11.280 hurt people, I know you're not a fan of Candace Owans. 95 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:13.800 Neither of mine. Okay, we both would agree on that. 96 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:16.199 I'm friends with Tim Poole. He said some things about 97 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.480 it that I actually agree with. But to me, Alex 98 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.920 Jones does what Candace Owens does, which is say things 99 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:25.160 that you know are not true. You know are not true. 100 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.720 Alex Jones knew that innocent children were murdered. He knew 101 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.279 that those weren't actors. They're dead, and yet he went 102 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:37.759 on the air and called them actors. Those family members, 103 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:42.600 as you know, were threatened, they had threats to their life. 104 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.360 He knew that those children were dead, he knew that 105 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:48.120 those families were grieving. I have an issue not necessarily 106 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.879 with conspiracy theorists, but conspiracy theorists like Candace Owns and 107 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:55.279 like Calex Jones that say things knowing they're not true 108 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.319 and knowing that they will hurt people. Alex Jones' comments 109 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.360 at times, not just the Sandy Hook shooting, hurt people, 110 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.040 and I find that only a despicable human being would 111 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.519 profit off of something like that. I'm glad that he 112 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.759 has to pay out that money. Like I said, I've 113 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.319 had private conversations with his ex wife. I don't know 114 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.759 what's true. I don't know what's not true. That's why 115 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:18.240 I'm not going to share the conversations I had with her. 116 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:20.759 But what I do know is I could never associate 117 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.519 myself with somebody like that. Who it's good to have 118 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.240 difference as of opinions. We probably have a lot of 119 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.040 different opinions on a lot. I think that's great, that's 120 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.079 what makes America great. But I think Alex Jones is 121 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:33.160 a scumbag. And by the way I met Alex Jones, 122 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:35.839 he is a different person off the camera. He doesn't 123 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.519 have in my opinion, that persona or Hey, was that good? 124 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.399 Was this good? I mean, I don't know. I don't 125 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.879 think he's a good person. And I'm not saying guilty 126 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.319 by association. I'm not trying to make a bad argument, 127 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.240 but I just can't fathom or understand how anybody could 128 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.519 hang out with a guy like that who literally made well, 129 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:56.519 I'm just trying to understand how anybody, not just you, 130 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:59.680 but anybody would would be okay associated and you host 131 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:02.399 on the on that network, Like, I just don't understand. Well. 132 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.399 Again, so that'd be like saying anybody involved in media, 133 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.680 who's involved with anybody that's made a mistake in media, 134 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:08.199 I don't. 135 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.920 Think that's a mistake. You know what I think a 136 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:11.759 mistake is. But how do you prove that it's not 137 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.319 a mistake? Is locking your keys in your car? You 138 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:17.639 mean to tell me that after this shooting happened where 139 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.639 body bags were taken out of that school, that Alex 140 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:24.120 Jones legitimately believed that those eight nine year olds were actors. 141 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:25.639 That's bullshit. I don't believe that. 142 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.800 I think that Alex legitimately believed that there was a 143 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.480 variety of options that you could have and. 144 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:32.480 He called them actors. 145 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.000 Jay understand that, but that's after having people on who 146 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:37.240 were not probably Vetter like Wolf. 147 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.000 He has a lot of people on wars that have 148 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:40.959 zero credibility. 149 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.279 I actually agree that everybody who does media, for the 150 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:49.399 most part, I'm not talking about you. Everybody in media 151 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.240 has people on because it's media. Media is kind of 152 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:54.279 like you know, it's about. 153 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:57.040 But it's our responsibility to push back at those people. 154 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.720 I agree that, and I think that my main criticism 155 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.399 about would have been and still has been, there should 156 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:04.439 have been a better vetting of the sources of these 157 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:06.319 so called events, because the main source at that time, 158 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.639 because I was listening through that whole period, was Wolf 159 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.720 kank Kalbek, who said, I've worked in government, I worked 160 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.720 in education, I was there. I know that this was 161 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.959 a fraud. I went investigated and all that was not true. 162 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:17.720 So he did not properly about this. He blamed it 163 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.800 on psychosis. There is no medical information to prove that. 164 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.399 Okay, that could be. I mean his yeah, that could 165 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.040 have been, didn't provide any medical information that he had psychosis. 166 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.759 I mean, I don't know. I don't know Alex's legal teams. 167 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.720 You know well that they use psychosis. 168 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.279 You know that. Come on again, I don't know what 169 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:38.439 the legal team advice. They didn't show. Well, the legal 170 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.879 team if they're going to say he suffered from psychosis. 171 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:42.920 There would have to be some evidence to prove that, 172 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:45.560 which clearly they didn't show it wasn't psychosis. And I 173 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.040 guess this is maybe where we disagree. People like Alex 174 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:52.199 Jones and Candae Owns and many others, Laura Lumer I 175 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.879 could name you a lot. They say things knowing that 176 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.199 it will hurt people, and they don't fucking care. They 177 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.839 say things knowing that it will hurt people, knowing that 178 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:02.759 it's probably not true. By the way, I don't buy 179 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:05.319 the fact that Alex didn't think it was a real shooting. 180 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.079 He knew it was. Like I said, Alex is not 181 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.240 a stupid guy. He knew that there were innocent young 182 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.680 children that died, and he called them actors now regardless 183 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:15.680 of what all their stuff might have been going on 184 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.639 in his mind. He made a lot of money off that. 185 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.279 Now in the end it's going to cost him money. 186 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:21.879 I don't think we should be allowed to say things 187 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.000 like that with no justification, and it hurts people. Those 188 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:28.720 families had death threats, They had death threats, Jay, and 189 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:32.039 they hadn't even buried their kids yet, eight nine year olds. 190 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.159 And as you can see, I get visibly angry talking 191 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.000 about this guy because I think he's a horrible human being, 192 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.519 and I think his entire network is a fucking joke. 193 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.559 It's a bunch of tinfoil hat morons who spread conspiracy 194 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.879 theories about COVID, They spread conspiracy theories about the deep state, 195 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.120 they spread conspiracy theories about the twenty twenty election, and 196 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:53.840 the guy who runs the whole thing spread conspiracy theories 197 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.799 about a shooting where a bunch of eight and nine 198 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.840 year old kids were murdered were kept in. I mean, 199 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:00.799 I don't even think the I should be allowed to 200 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:02.519 even have a show. That's my personal thing. 201 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.840 Could you name another crazy temple hat that the position 202 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.600 that you think me or Alex or anybody has positive. 203 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:11.960 I can't speak to you because I'll be honest with you, 204 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.080 and I don't mean this way like a whole network 205 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:16.759 is all crazy. Well, I mean the regulars. I would 206 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:18.600 assume you're a guest on there a lot, and sometimes 207 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.840 I'm talking about the regulars who do shows, you know, 208 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.240 five days a week. They spread conspiracy theories about me. 209 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:28.159 Harrison talked about me. Didn't even and we talked about 210 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.360 this off the air a couple of minutes ago. Didn't 211 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.639 even know my position on vaccines, and I don't want 212 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:34.559 to get too deep into the vaccine stuff because you know, 213 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.240 some platforms don't allow it. Didn't even know my position 214 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.519 on the vaccines, and just assume that I want everyone 215 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.879 to get ten boosters. They say things about people not 216 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:45.240 doing their homework, not under even and by the way, 217 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:47.720 I said I would go on their show. I was 218 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:49.840 talking to somebody from their network. I said, listen, I 219 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:52.879 will go on that show and I will defend my positions. 220 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:55.600 Harrison didn't want me on. I call that a coward. 221 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:58.960 If you're willing to talk shit about somebody, which is fine. 222 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.960 I'm a big boy. I can handle it, but then 223 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.960 you don't want that person to come on. I invite 224 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.600 anybody on my show. Nick Fuentes can do my show 225 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:07.559 if he wants to. I think he's an awful human being. 226 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.600 But I would have had oj Simpson do my show. 227 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.440 It's not the criticism. He's no longer with us unfortunatelyfortunately 228 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.080 whichever way you look at it. But I'm willing to 229 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:18.919 have anybody on my show that I disagree with, even 230 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.559 if they're despicable people. If Alex Jones wanted to do 231 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.720 my show, I would probably be a little bit more 232 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:25.720 heated with him than am you, because I'm not blaming 233 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:27.600 you for the stuff that that Alex Jones said. Make it. 234 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.840 What's another topic that you think of COVID spread COVID? 235 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.679 I think he's spread lies about the vaccines. He sells 236 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.799 his stupid pills on his website to make money that 237 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.360 there's no evidence that any of those pills actually help 238 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.799 you if you had COVID, I would talk about nine 239 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:45.200 to eleven a little bit more, because I know he's 240 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.320 talked about nine to eleven a lot. What about nine eleven, Well, 241 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:50.919 he thinks it was an inside john right right, Okay, 242 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.159 Well we can get into that. We can get into that. 243 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.200 So what's the crazy talks about the deep state all 244 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.360 the time with no evidence to back up his claims 245 00:10:58.399 --> 00:10:59.799 about the deep state? What is the deep state? 246 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.919 Tell it's the breakaway national security apparatus in the background 247 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.440 that has a tremendous amount of influence installed at the 248 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:06.919 time of. 249 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.480 World War two, particularly from right now yah formulations. It's 250 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.000 the same structure. Okay, so right now who is running 251 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:13.519 the deep state? 252 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.360 CFR and Trilateral Commission of a huge amount of influence. 253 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:21.799 This is a CFR historian's own background accounts for in Hurst's. 254 00:11:21.799 --> 00:11:23.600 But there's over election through on my channel right now. 255 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.320 So, yeah, I've heard Alex Corporation, Military Industrial Complex, that's. 256 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.679 What you say. So I've heard Alex say that Barack 257 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:33.600 Obama was really running the country when Joe Biden was president. 258 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.480 There's no evidence to back that up. You meant to 259 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:38.799 stay behind situation that Obama had set up. And he 260 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.840 said the Obamas had gay relationships and that Barack Obama 261 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.480 was gay. This is not a serious talk radio. You 262 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.600 make jokes, you make you do sat there outsis satare 263 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:49.639 all the time. Okay, Well, when I hear Alex Jones 264 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:51.639 say that he believed, first of all, I don't think 265 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:53.960 that's funny. That's ten year old humor. I don't think 266 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.480 it's anything funny in saying a president is gay. I 267 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.559 don't think that. I mean, unless we're ten years old. 268 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.039 What about faking gay? You? I mean, okay, but you 269 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:05.159 get what I'm saying, right, Well, you just laugh, So 270 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.679 you do think it's first right, Well, here's the problem, right, 271 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:11.559 Alex Jones has a huge platform, and I think it's 272 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.240 important for people to choose their words wisely and to 273 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.679 be responsible. We agree. I think that Alex Jones should 274 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.200 not have done what he did when it came to 275 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.919 the Sandy Hook shooting. It hurt people. Now, if you 276 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:29.919 make a joke that doesn't hurt somebody, Okay, fine, if 277 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:34.320 you have a conspiracy theory that doesn't necessarily hurt somebody, 278 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:36.879 then that's one thing, right. But when you have the 279 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.799 platform that Alex Jones has and you say things that 280 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.639 are unproven, stuff that is just blatantly ridiculous. They said 281 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.120 things about me that aren't true. I have a problem 282 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.600 with that, and I don't think that network is a 283 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.519 serious network. I don't think that is a serious news network. 284 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:55.679 Give It's one thing. If you give Kanye West a platform, heck, 285 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:57.759 I would interview Kanye West and ask him about his 286 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.720 anti Semitism. But Alex Jones, he was praising Adolf Hitler, 287 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:03.879 and Alex Jones is sitting there with his thumb up 288 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.720 his ass. I watched that specifically disagree with him and 289 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:10.039 said that he didn't believe Hitler was a good guy. 290 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.360 And but the very next day, Richard Grove and I 291 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:14.559 hosted that next day, yeah talked about that. We did 292 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.320 not agree with. Okay, It's one thing to say you 293 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:18.919 don't agree with it, and I'm glad you did that, 294 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.759 But if someone sitting next to me is praising Adolf Hitler, 295 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:24.960 I would call them for what they are. You are 296 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.799 an anti Semite, and you are a moron if you 297 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.399 if you, if you praise a man who's responsible for 298 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.279 murdering anybody, let alone millions of people, there's something wrong 299 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.080 with you. And I would say that to Kanye. I 300 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.799 wouldn't sit here and say, well, you know, Kanye, I 301 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.159 really disagree with you on that. I saw that. I 302 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.919 don't respect people who praise evil, murderous dictators. That's what 303 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.480 Alex Jones did in that interview. Okay, he coddled Kanye. Well, well, 304 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.799 he praised He praised Kanye West in some ways, and 305 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:56.879 he was very sad. He coddled him, He coddled him. 306 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.639 It was a fluffer interview. And I think we also 307 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:04.759 have a responsibility to question people and to be tough 308 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:09.600 on people that praise murderous dictators. Alex Jones did not 309 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.159 do that. So on one side of the coin, Kanye West 310 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.360 will sit there and praise Adolf Hitler and he'll say, well, 311 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:16.840 I disagree with that. But on the other side of 312 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.840 the coin, he'll just bash Democrats and left wingers and 313 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:23.720 aoc an attacker for being a bartender. He's more tough 314 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.840 on somebody like AOC than somebody like Kanye West, who 315 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:29.519 praises Adolf Hitler and is a Jew hater. Make no 316 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:33.120 mistake about it, Kanye is a jew hater, anti Semitic, 317 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.799 piece of scum. I don't care whether he's mentally ill 318 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.399 or not. And these gripers that go around, I just 319 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.200 think they're really bad people. Right. 320 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.159 But so a lot of this debate so far has 321 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:45.639 been about the character of people. 322 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:47.679 So and I'm not well believing that. 323 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.600 Okay, but I mean, you just said at the beginning 324 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:51.679 that you weren't interested in GOI by association, but. 325 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.320 I'm trying to understand why you would be friends with 326 00:14:55.360 --> 00:14:56.919 some of the guy who I think has no more. 327 00:14:57.480 --> 00:15:00.440 But what I'm illustrating is that nobody consistently can apply 328 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:02.679 that in media, because I'm sure you have friends that 329 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:04.840 you disagree with that you might find reprehensible that you've 330 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:06.679 gone on shows that you don't I don't have you, 331 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.240 so you don't have any I don't have any friends. 332 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.960 Here's Morgan you go on Here's Morgan show. Yeah, I 333 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:14.600 don't hang out with Pierce Morgan. He's not one of 334 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.240 my friends. I do his show. There's a difference. So 335 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:19.679 I don't have any So I don't have so it 336 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.399 is guilt. Well, you're friends with him, So about friends 337 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.360 with that is guilt by association with you said, you're 338 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.679 not trying to trying to understand why you would be, 339 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.960 so you are doing guilt by association. I'm asking you, 340 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:33.000 I'm asking a question, implying, implying that it's morally wrong. 341 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:40.279 I mind understand how morally you could associate yourself and 342 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.399 I'm trying to understand that as a friend, not just 343 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:43.039 for doing a show. 344 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.120 The morals are, which are what like what's the beau? 345 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.440 I don't think it's consistently apply. 346 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.279 I think people that associate themselves with people like Alice 347 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.279 Jones are the same people that associate themselves with Donald Trump. 348 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:57.360 I think it's I think it's the same. Well, the 349 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.519 whole chorus has been guilt by social what you said 350 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:01.320 at the beginning of your not going to do well, What 351 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.480 I was hoping to do is try to get an 352 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.879 explanation from you on how you could be friends with 353 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:09.519 somebody like that. I find that in general, and I'm 354 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.919 going to make a general statement now, people that are 355 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.159 big fans of Alex Jones or friends of Alex Jones 356 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.679 tend to also be big fans of Donald Trump, and 357 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:21.679 they throw they're willing to push aside the Epstein stuff. 358 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.240 They're willing to push aside his behaviors, the way he 359 00:16:24.279 --> 00:16:27.080 talks about women in gold Star families and POW's and 360 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.879 the fact that he's named thousands of times in the 361 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:32.639 Epstein Falls. I think the same kinds of people who 362 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.440 support Donald Trump are gravitated towards Alex Jones. And yes, 363 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.679 I'll say it again, I think Donald Trump and Alex 364 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:41.279 Jones are similar. I think they're both horrible human beings. 365 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.720 They're horrible human beings who probably only care about themselves. 366 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.480 And you know, but again, I think this is what 367 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.559 usually ends up being something not worth debating. I'm not 368 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.399 saying you can't bring interview, debate whatever you want, but 369 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:56.080 the idea of only focusing on the morals or some 370 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.279 individual in media or in politics, to me just seems absurd. 371 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.960 That's why I'm always an issues guy, because I'm sure 372 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.400 that I'm sure that everybody has some moral flaw or 373 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.240 some problem in their their ethos. 374 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.240 I would never deny that. I would never deny what 375 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.720 you're saying. So then so then it's not consistently applied. 376 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.240 So it would seem there are different levels of the levels. 377 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:18.839 It seems like you're doing the very thing that you're 378 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.160 saying shouldn't be done. No, so there are different levels 379 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:23.279 of mistakes that are made. Whether you cheat on your 380 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.240 wife for who determines that? Okay, well, I'm just giving 381 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.160 you my opinions. There's no book on determining. I'm just 382 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.240 telling you, Uh, simply put, if you're a person who 383 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.079 intentionally lies about a school shooting when children are murdered 384 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.279 to make money and clicks, you're a fucking disgusting human being. 385 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.279 But how do you know a person's motives? Maybe you 386 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:47.240 because Alex Jones does it all the time. He says things, 387 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.640 he's over the top and he says things. How do 388 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.519 you know the motives? So you think Alex Jones didn't 389 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:53.839 have what do you think his motive saying? 390 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:56.960 I'm saying that when you debate and again, you can 391 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.240 obey whatever you want. But my critique of this type 392 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.559 of debate is that when you debate people's motives is 393 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.519 something that you can never really explicitly prove. 394 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:06.400 Why does that Why did you think Alex Jones? Give 395 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.240 me an educated guest, h Jay, if you can, why 396 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:10.720 do you think Alex Jones said those things? 397 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.640 I believe that Alex has always, for the most part, 398 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.240 been sincere. That's why he has been willing to change 399 00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:19.079 his mind at me he was wrong. For example, he 400 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.119 recently admitted he was wrong that he thought Trump might 401 00:18:22.200 --> 00:18:23.319 reverse the course on a ramp. 402 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:25.720 Let's talk about he admits that he was completely right. 403 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.680 I do want to talk to you about that. Agree 404 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:27.960 on that. 405 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.680 That's a recent admission that Alex said I was wrong 406 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:31.079 about this. 407 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.720 Okay, good, So so let me ask you something about 408 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.519 that because I disagree with you, respectfully. If Alex Jones 409 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.400 wasn't sued, I think Alex Jones would have apologized. Well. 410 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.960 The Again, the lawsuit, as I said, highlighted the bad betting. 411 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.680 If you look, for example, at the prosecute where they 412 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:51.240 were ja I understand me question, let me finish anything. 413 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.240 The when they were interrogating Owen, Schweyer and Owen was 414 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.920 responsible for bringing on a couple people that not just Wolfgang, 415 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:04.319 but also the zero Hygi article that they highlighted. 416 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:07.240 It that was misinformation. So that was not properly about it. 417 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:09.599 And I'm saying that if you've got a network that 418 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:14.720 has multiple people doing multiple cogs of the operation, you can't. 419 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:16.880 I understand that the head of the operation is going 420 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:20.519 to receive the brunt of the criticism, but it's not 421 00:19:20.599 --> 00:19:24.839 like Alex was just doing all of this without sincere investigation. 422 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:28.119 I believe he's sincere okay. So that's where we disagree. 423 00:19:28.119 --> 00:19:29.440 And I would go as far as to say this, 424 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:32.519 I believe that if Alex Jones wasn't sued and he 425 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.200 didn't have to face consequences for his first things, he 426 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.079 would never have apologized or retracted anything, because he never 427 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:40.440 has in the past to my knowledge, for anything else. 428 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.960 The reason why he apologized and says I shouldn't have 429 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:44.799 said that, which, by the way, he said in a courtroom, 430 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:46.839 and then he said it was a kangaroo court, and 431 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.920 he attacked the judge and he attacked the prosecutors instead 432 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:51.240 of just being a man and saying, you know what, 433 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.000 I really fucked up. I really shouldn't have said that stuff. 434 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.960 What happened to those families was awful. Instead, he does 435 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.480 what Donald Trump does. It's a kangaroo court. I didn't 436 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:04.039 do anything wrong, So no, I disagree with you, Jay. 437 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.559 I don't think Alex Jones would have ever retracted what 438 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:08.400 he said, and I don't think Alex Jones would have 439 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:11.880 ever apologized if, in fact, he was never facing a 440 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.839 civil lawsuit, which he lost. That's my personal opinions. We 441 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.640 can move on to a rock because it's way to 442 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:19.440 prove it. We can do that. Well, that's just my 443 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:21.920 personal opinion. Obviously, there's no way to one hundred percent 444 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:23.519 proven other than the fact that to my knowledge, I 445 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:25.839 don't think Alex has ever apologized for anything else on 446 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.440 the air in the past. The only thing I could 447 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:31.599 ever recall that he's ever apologized for or retracted was 448 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:34.559 the comments he made about the school shooting and those 449 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.559 kids being acted. And he recently retracted his position on Iran. 450 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:39.720 He thought Trump would have a better course and a 451 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:41.880 course correction, and he was wrong about that. He was 452 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.319 wrong about the thing that was going around where Pam 453 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:48.559 Bondy was saying that they were going to release the files. 454 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.000 He thought that that was as he has been open 455 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.000 about criticism for the Epstein files because he's been talking 456 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:56.960 about the Epstein files for years, and I think Donald 457 00:20:56.960 --> 00:20:58.920 Trump has made a lot of people like the Alex 458 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.599 Jones that look really add because Donald Trump has protected 459 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.759 pedophiles in my opinion, I know that. That's what I 460 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:08.720 just said. Yeah, I'm happy I agree with you on that. 461 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.640 He's angry. Well, he's he's upset at Donald Trump. It's 462 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.799 not really that he was wrong about something. He he 463 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.119 he's upset about what Pam Bondi said like two months ago. Well, yeah, 464 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.279 he's criticized at times the Trump administration. He gives the 465 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:25.119 apology that you want. Basically, it's not really the apology 466 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.519 that I want. It's it's basically it wasn't really an apology. 467 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:30.480 He just basically when it comes to the Epstein stuff, 468 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.839 he's talked about how disappointed he was. He was wrong 469 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:35.160 about Pam Bondi. He was wrong about Pam Bondy, and 470 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:35.960 he thought Pam Bondi no. 471 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.400 He said specifically that the claim that they were going 472 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:41.039 to release more of the files, that when Pam Bondi 473 00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.880 claimed this, he shared that and then a bunch of 474 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.079 people on soldial media called him out. 475 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:47.160 He said, you know what, You're right, I was wrong, 476 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.400 so he will Admitkay, well, I'm glad he did that. 477 00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.160 I was unaware of that, and I'm and I'm glad 478 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:53.599 he did that, and we could we can end the 479 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:56.880 Alex Jones conversation. But but in closing, I'll just say this, 480 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.480 and and you know, it's not nothing that I've I've 481 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:05.279 never said that's fair. Of course, I think Alex Jones 482 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:08.480 is what's horrible with society. I think there are grifters, 483 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:12.039 the Candace Owens types. I put Alex Jones in that category. 484 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.440 I think he only says things as an act to 485 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:21.599 get clicks and to make money. What he did was disgusting. 486 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.680 And then the reason why this topic is so it 487 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:26.039 should be personal to anybody, but it's even more personally 488 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:27.880 because I grew up about twenty minutes away from Sandy 489 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.759 Hook number one, number two. I've interviewed some of those 490 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:32.839 families who have to wake up every day without seeing 491 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:37.640 their kids. It's reprehensible and the fact that somebody like 492 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:41.880 Alex Jones, and this is irrefutable, made their grief even worse. 493 00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:46.000 With what Alex Jones put those families through is reprehensible, 494 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.200 and I think only a reprehensible and repugnant human being 495 00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:54.200 would do what Alex Jones did. I have zero respect 496 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:56.680 for him. I don't care how many followers he has. 497 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.519 I have no more respect for him than I do 498 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.599 like a Candace Owens type, and I know we'll probably 499 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:02.680 agree on gandis owns. There is a way to have 500 00:23:02.759 --> 00:23:05.119 differences of opinions, and there is a way to have 501 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:09.279 a conversation without hurting people. And there are too many people, 502 00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:12.720 particularly in right wing media today, that do that. They 503 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:17.440 make claims that hurt people. They lie, They attack undocumented 504 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.240 immigrants in brown people every single day, making it seem 505 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.960 like all these undocumented immigrants are going to rape your kids. 506 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.880 They're wrong. They lied about the terrorist attack in New Orleans. 507 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.200 They said it was undocumented immigrant. They said it was 508 00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.279 because of Joe Biden's open border policies. They lie. They 509 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:34.359 lied in conspiracy theories about what happened to Paul Pelosi 510 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.559 when Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer, and Alex 511 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.039 Jones was one of those guys that spread the conspiracy 512 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:42.119 theory that Paul Pelosi had some sort of gay relationship 513 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.759 with the guy that almost killed him with a hammer. 514 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.319 Did Alex Jones ever apologize for that when the police 515 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.640 report came out? And Matt Gates when he was in 516 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.000 office another repugnant piece of garbage, and Ted Cruz spread 517 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:57.160 those conspiracy theories. These right wingers don't apologize. Usually. I'm 518 00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.359 glad that Alex Jones has done that, but there's a 519 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:01.519 lot of people on the right that don't. They don't retract, 520 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:03.839 they don't apologize. When you get something wrong, why don't 521 00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:06.519 you wait until the information comes out first before you 522 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:08.359 you spread conspiracy? There is I'm not talking about you, 523 00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.359 I'm just saying in general terms people on the right, 524 00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.119 and that's my one of my biggest criticisms is with 525 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.559 the lower lumers of the world and so many others. 526 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.559 It's all about clicks, Jay, It's about money and clicks. 527 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.200 They don't care whether they get it right or not. 528 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.640 They I'm generalizing. There's a lot of people on the 529 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:24.759 right on X they want to be the first one 530 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:26.559 to say it was an undocumented immigrant, it was a 531 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:28.880 black person, it was this without knowing, and then when 532 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.680 they get it wrong, they don't retract and they don't apologize. 533 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:33.319 And I'm sorry if I'm going on a rant here, 534 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.160 but on X when you look at when they're fact checked, 535 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.400 what is that called on the bottom? Checking community notes? Yeah? 536 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:41.359 What is the point of a community note if somebody 537 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:43.680 is getting a community note like two hundred times. There 538 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.400 are right wingers out there that have been community noted 539 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.640 two hundred times. They're not suspended, their accounts don't get 540 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.200 taken down. Why are we community noting people when they 541 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.519 literally it happens to them every day. So anyway, I digress, 542 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:56.200 Go ahead. 543 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.319 Yeah again, I think you know, so much of media 544 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.039 ends up being a lott of low tier slop and 545 00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.839 debating about things that are not really that substantial, such 546 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.960 as people's motives or intentionality, which is unless you have 547 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.559 you know, somebody's actual DMS or something like that, it's 548 00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.960 really difficult, I think, to know the motives, and so 549 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.319 in philosophy and debate we don't typically focus on that. 550 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.119 Understand that in media and in news it probably is 551 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:22.640 the best. But I would assume that maybe you engage 552 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:25.319 in debating about who's good and who's bad because that's 553 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:27.599 the easy, low tier route to go to get attention, 554 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:28.279 to get clicks. 555 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:28.960 I mean, aren't. 556 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.319 You think it's low tier to today what it is 557 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:33.240 to debate people's motives because its call that homine. 558 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:35.920 I don't think it's low tier to talk about our 559 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:38.559 president and his behavior about Alex. 560 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:41.039 Jones, right, you're saying as bad motives, and I'm saying 561 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.279 that that that works in low tier political debate. But 562 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:46.640 like if you get into a philosophical debate you debate 563 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.519 people's motives, that's called that hominism because unless you have 564 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:51.839 proof that there's some motives, you don't know people's motives 565 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.799 other than to say that. 566 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:55.200 Well he's a bad person. Okay, that's so he's a 567 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.240 bad person. What is that proof. I don't think it's 568 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:01.079 low tier to criticize al Jones for what he did. 569 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.480 But you said that you motives, and I'm just trying 570 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.599 to figure out how you know that. Well, first of all, 571 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:07.799 I think most people would say the reason why Alex 572 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.319 Jones says these things is because he wants to That 573 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:13.599 would be money and get more attention. The fact that 574 00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.000 most people think that really has nothing to do, Okay, well, 575 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.079 that's I think I would like to think that a 576 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:23.759 logical opinion would be that the reason why fallacies. Okay, well, 577 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.400 if you think that Alex Jones does this stuff. I mean, 578 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.000 do you think appeal to masses is a fallacy? No, 579 00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:30.720 but I would say I would say, you don't think 580 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.440 it's perhaps. But the point that I was trying to 581 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.240 get at is that just just Alex Jones says these things, 582 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.559 not because he needs to get this off his chest 583 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:41.960 or he wants to be an inn. So you're just 584 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.039 saying what his motives are. Okay, Well, well what do 585 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.079 you think his motives are? Help me understand Alex Jones. 586 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.720 You're friends with them. I've listened to Alex in two 587 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.240 thousand and three. 588 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.240 Yeah, and I've noticed him consistently over the years reference 589 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.880 many tax that we lecture through on my channel. So 590 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:57.839 it's become a mainstep what I do is to kind 591 00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.480 of take all those books that he references over the 592 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:01.680 years to to see if he's legit and if you're 593 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.240 saying the right things. And most of what he says, 594 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:05.799 I would say ninety percent of what Alex has said 595 00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:07.400 over the years has been accurate in terms of the 596 00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.440 big geopolitical perspective. There are minutia areas where I would 597 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.599 disagree particularly with wh who he brought on during that 598 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.920 time period of Sandy Hook that was not properly vetted. 599 00:27:16.440 --> 00:27:16.640 Uh. 600 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.799 But when it comes to the big geopolitical stuff, most 601 00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:20.720 of the time I disagree. But there's been areas where 602 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:23.079 I disagree with Alex over Trump. So I don't have 603 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:24.880 a problem disagree with Alex. But I don't think that 604 00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:28.000 Alex is ultimately overall about person. I've met him, known him, 605 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:29.200 you know, personally, for many years. 606 00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:31.319 So okay, I mean I based that on some other 607 00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.359 things that I'm not going to talk about here on 608 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.480 the show, but people that have known him very close, 609 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.200 closer than you even. But we can leave it at that. 610 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.960 I know this entire debate isn't isn't this movie, But 611 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.359 if you want to talk about Iron, I'm happy to 612 00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.400 stave to Iran. Yeah, even though you both agree, maybe 613 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.279 there's some slight I won't be taking Alex Jones out 614 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.000 to dinner tonight. I guess I was trying to say, 615 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:49.960 go ahead, shan. 616 00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.240 Jay, you want to start off with Iran and how 617 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.039 you feel about the US getting involved, how you feel 618 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.799 like Trump's done with that relationship. 619 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:55.279 Yeah. 620 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:57.519 So this is an issue that I've dealt with for 621 00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.559 many years. I've had a lot of debates publicly with 622 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:01.799 muslim for about eight years straight. 623 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:03.599 Some of them. We've debated most of the top Muslims. 624 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.799 I think maybe Junior the future of Muslim debate they're 625 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:06.079 going to do. 626 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.160 So I'm very familiar with like the background of you know, 627 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.960 Sunni versus Shia Islam. I'm decently educated on the history 628 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.640 of Iran, and I think the big issue with Iran 629 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.400 is that this is really just a repeat of nineteen 630 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.920 fifty three with the CIA Q where they took out 631 00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.400 you know, Mozedic to put the SHAW in. Then you 632 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:25.920 had the SHAW failing, and you had Istola Kashani being 633 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.880 brought in with British intelligence and CIA assistance, all ultimately 634 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:33.519 for Anglo Iranian Oil Company which would become VP. So 635 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:38.039 I think that from the very beginning, this was a destabilization, 636 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.160 a regime change that was brought about for the purpose 637 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.599 of a big corporate interest in Iran. I think it's 638 00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.519 really not that different today if we fast forward to 639 00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:47.759 where we are now, it's a lot of repeat of 640 00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:51.000 what we saw with Iraq, which was you know, false intel, 641 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.920 weapons of mass destruction, which is not true. Saddam was 642 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.640 brought into power by the CIA, trained by the stay 643 00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:00.759 of that, he's given weapons of mass destruction, usually by 644 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.240 the CIA, to fight the Iran Iraq war. And then 645 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.440 when we decided that he had to spoiled like spoiled milk, 646 00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.240 then we didn't need a Sodomini Moore. And I've never 647 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.119 been pro war all the way back to nine to eleven. 648 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:12.799 I've been anti war pretty much because I think most 649 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.440 of the wars are fought for interest, not in the 650 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.200 best preview of American people. Their fought for corporate and 651 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.160 banking interest. For the most part. I'm not a past fist. 652 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.759 I believe in self defense. But so the same situation 653 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.680 with Iran, I think that we've seen the administration all 654 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.559 the way back to Obama with the Green Revolution. They 655 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.079 were pushing for a kind of a more democratic any 656 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.079 D style Color revolution back in twenty nine, ten eleven. 657 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.480 But now what we have a situation where Trump has 658 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.200 just greenlit under I think probably influence from BB Yahoo 659 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.599 to go for a full on just you know, you know, taking. 660 00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.559 Them out and go back thirty years. 661 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:50.559 They were playing the cliffs yesterday on Hodge Twins, where 662 00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.400 BB is like saying a little two weeks away from 663 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.799 the nuclear Bob and then like every few years it's 664 00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.200 the same two weeks and it's like, so it's like 665 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.279 two weeks to fly in the Iran was my joke 666 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.160 on Twitter, not making jokes about Yeah, but I mean 667 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:06.680 the same situation where oh it's two week flatten the 668 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.480 curb and then it's going to turn into protracted war. 669 00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:09.440 This is different than Syria. 670 00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:11.599 Syria, it took fifteen years to take down a SAWD 671 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:16.160 to install by CAA in Western support a very radical 672 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.920 Sunni regime under Joulawi. That's something that was mentioned in 673 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.000 the Clean Break memo. It's something that goes back to Ed, 674 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.279 you know, on strategy. So I think that all of 675 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.880 those are a disaster for the West and for America. 676 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.839 They basically only benefit the Greater Israel project. And I 677 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:31.559 disagree with all that. 678 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:33.759 It pays me to say I agree with a lot 679 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.240 of what you just said. Not much of a debate there, 680 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.920 but I will say this. When Donald Trump was running 681 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.640 for office again, said he was going to be the 682 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.119 peace president, the peace candidate. 683 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.200 Yeah, exactly, You'll never have war again, nothing to worry about. Yeah, 684 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.319 probably the best that's true. He said that, and uh, 685 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.000 he said there were you know, he's going to be 686 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.799 a known regime, new regime president and all that. Tulsi 687 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:55.319 Gabbert testified ten months ago under Oh that there was 688 00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:57.559 no reasonablieve, based on our own intelligence, that they were 689 00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.480 furthering their nuclear capabilities. 690 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.279 We were told eight months ago obliviated, I believe is 691 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:04.920 the word obliterated. I'm sorry, obliterated. I always get that 692 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:09.680 mixed up. Obliterated their nuclear capabilities. Then we heard it 693 00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:11.799 was regime change. And then when they figured it out, well, wait, 694 00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:13.279 we're gonna have to have boots on the ground if 695 00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.640 there's regime change. Then they said, well, these civilians need 696 00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.640 to rise up. The hell does that mean? Then Marco Rubio, 697 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.920 in some terminology, was blaming Israel. And I agree, by 698 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.200 the way, with a lot of the stuff you said 699 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.359 about Benjamin and I am listen, I'm a Jewish guy. 700 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:32.279 It's not anti Semitic to be critical of the Israeli government. 701 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:35.839 I've maintained that position. I am very anti Israeli government. 702 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.359 I am very pro Israeli people. I think they're great people, 703 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.759 but I'm anti Benjamin Uttaw who plays Donald Trump like 704 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:44.680 a fiddle. Then we were told by Marco Rubio that Israel, 705 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.400 you know forced our hand. Then we have this school 706 00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.960 bombing and Donald Trump it was a tomahawk missile. Iran 707 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:58.200 doesn't have tomahawk missiles. Everybody knows that, and he blames Iran. 708 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.079 Does he even know that they don't have tomahawk missiles. 709 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.400 It's this guy is such a madman, and he's such 710 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:08.319 an imbecile and Pete hegsett this. They don't take responsibility. 711 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:11.160 We're told this is the party of protecting children, and 712 00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.000 now we're told, well, this was about the Marines and 713 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.319 this was about attacking the ships. I agree with what 714 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:20.240 you said about Iraq. That was an ill advised war. 715 00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:23.440 Thousands of American soldiers died, hundreds of thousands of innocent 716 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.880 Iraqis died, trillions of dollars that were still paying off. 717 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.559 How is this any different? Are you disappointed you voted 718 00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:31.920 for Trump. I know you're not defending this war, which 719 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:36.279 I appreciate. Are you disappointed in your vote? Kamala Harris 720 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.559 would not have start You could have your criticisms of 721 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.680 Kamala and that's fine, and we can get into that. 722 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:43.160 I'm not saying she was perfect. She would not have 723 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:44.880 started a war in iron I do not believe this 724 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.680 war would have happened. 725 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:48.759 Well, you know, it's similar to you know, a lot 726 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:52.799 of what Obama campaigned upon. We saw Obama campaigning as 727 00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.640 a peace candidate back in the day. We saw him 728 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.039 then reversing with the drone strikes that he was involved in. 729 00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.480 So I didn't have high hopes for politics to be 730 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.440 anything other than what the one it usually is. 731 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.119 I was involved in promoting Ron Paul back in two 732 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:06.720 thousand and seven and. 733 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.000 Eight ran Paul campaign, and I saw back then the 734 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:12.400 way that Ron Paul was sort of sidelined and kind 735 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.039 of kept out of the political discourse. And so my 736 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.279 vote for Trump was mainly based on a lot of 737 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.160 the policies that he supported, which are kind of older 738 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.759 nineties centrist Democrat type of America. 739 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:26.079 First, sure, are you think as some of some of 740 00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.880 these policies are America. I'm saying what he campaigned on, okay, 741 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.559 And I'm so many campaigns on a lot of things 742 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.039 that he lies about. We're going to build a wall 743 00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:33.200 in Mexico's going to pay for it. 744 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.759 I'm saying that I disagree with the main areas that 745 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.200 my main issues are that I can think of with Trump. 746 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:41.440 I think worksheet was a huge failure. I think that 747 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.119 was a mistake. 748 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.720 I think he did that probably at the behest of 749 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:47.440 a lot of pharmaceutical and corporate interests. That's my opinion 750 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:51.039 on that. I think that it was a mistake to 751 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:54.640 talk a lot about the Federal Reserve, but not really 752 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:56.200 to go after the federal reserve. I think that's a 753 00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.559 huge problem for the country, for the economics, and then 754 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.880 also to promote the war for Israel's benefit. Really, that's 755 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.079 I mean, those are the main things off the top 756 00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:06.759 of my head that I can think of. 757 00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.719 It. Those are big things. Well, I mean those are 758 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.639 my main those are my mains. It's pretty important things, 759 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.679 don't you. Again. 760 00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.039 I'm not a Trump apologist, but I'm an issues person. 761 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.320 What I'm saying is that since two thousand and seven, 762 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:20.519 I was really disaffected with mainline party politics. 763 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.679 What about rolling out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin 764 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.440 in Alaska? What about no concessions? What about the fact 765 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:28.280 that Russia is giving intel to Iran right now? And 766 00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:30.320 Trump they just don't seem to want to talk about that. 767 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.360 They've had pleasant conversations in the last week. Rolling out 768 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.000 the red carp He blamed Vladimir Zelenski called him a dictator, 769 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.599 and he blamed Ukraine for the war. Let me tell 770 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.639 you something, if Iran had invaded Israel, I might feel 771 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:44.559 a little differently about this war. Well, here's where we 772 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.960 disagree right now. I would be intol Ukraine for sure. 773 00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.920 Who started the war in Ukraine? Uh, NATO, That's not true. 774 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:55.280 It is true Vladimir who invaded twelve NATO was provoking 775 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.559 Russia and they did not keep to the agreements during 776 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.320 the Cold War about not banding. 777 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:06.920 Who invaded Ukraine? Again? Who started violence vod Russia to invade? Okay, 778 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.639 I didn't ask you who provoked? Who invade? Who invaded Ukraine? 779 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:16.599 Russia devoked? Started the violence? Who put the the I 780 00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:20.639 could provoke the biolabs. I could provoke somebody the biolabs. 781 00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:25.559 I could provoke somebody politics. Okay, I can provoke somebody 782 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.920 to murder somebody. But I'm not asking you who provoked. 783 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.840 I'm asking you who committed put the bio labs all 784 00:35:31.039 --> 00:35:36.280 around Russia as a offensive Probaly, nobody forced Vladimir Putin? 785 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.159 Who invade Ukraine? It is a forcing I disagree with you. 786 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.280 Well again that Ukraine is actually historically Russia anyway, and 787 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.800 it was only Ukraine after Lenin and after World War One. 788 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.480 Okay, so it's not even a real country. Ukraine didn't 789 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:50.199 start this war. 790 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.599 It's a country that was created by the West and 791 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.000 by Communists to sever that center of power. 792 00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:01.360 I understand. I understand your history. I understand. But Ukraine 793 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.320 did not start the war. They did not start to disagree. Okay, Well, 794 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.400 I think that NATO and the West provoked the war, 795 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.440 so that then they could You think Zelenski is a 796 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:13.159 dictator in many ways, he acts like a dictator with 797 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.360 per and shuts it down. So Zelensky started the war 798 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.639 and he's a dictator. You agree with Donald Trump start 799 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.920 the war? Well, Donald Trump said that was he lying? 800 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:26.199 Uh, he may be speaking about for for political reasons. 801 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.719 He didn't start the war. I think NATO started the 802 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:28.599 war again, don't you think. 803 00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.079 It's kind of important if you're the president of the 804 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.719 United States, do not lie about problem criticizing Trump. 805 00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.079 But I will defend the fact that I don't think 806 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.679 that Russia started the NATO provoked the war. 807 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.599 I can tell you this NATO expanded sense the Cold War. Well, no, 808 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.039 but I can tell you that, well, Hold on a second. 809 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.000 Let me just go back. They've been putting bases and 810 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:47.679 bio labs that that came out dependagon on medies. There's 811 00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.519 biolabs in Ukraine, but that still doesn't defend It's not 812 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:55.000 a defense for Vladimir's Ukraine problem. Okay, So do you 813 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:57.800 think we let's say, people if they started coming into 814 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:00.800 your property and they were saying, oh, well, you don't 815 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.239 have a right to you know, react because you know 816 00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.280 we're not actually causing you to react, We're just coming 817 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.320 on your property. So do you think it's appropriate for 818 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:13.159 an evil murderer's dictator, which is who Vladimir Putin is. 819 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:14.559 I would hope that we could at least, even though 820 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.079 we disagree on this, you would agree with me that 821 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.960 Vladimir Putin doesn't have a regard for human life. He 822 00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:22.559 kills journalists in his own country that disagree with him. 823 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.039 If you talk about Vladimir Putin on the phone, there 824 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:28.519 have been instances where you're massacred, he kills. He's an 825 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.079 evil dictator. Can we at least agree on that? I mean, 826 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:31.480 I don't. 827 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.480 I mean all heads of state operate in a similar way. 828 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.199 The US assassinates people all the time. So can you 829 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:38.840 tell me where the US assassination? 830 00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.719 Yeah, all the time. 831 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.679 Is the famous I'm familiar, famous journalist who was assassinated 832 00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:48.239 in Germany. We're talking about the CIA infiltrating and using 833 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:52.320 German media for Western purposes. So whether or not Putin 834 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.559 himself had the journalist assassinated, I don't know, but I 835 00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:55.920 wouldn't be surprised because a lot. 836 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.599 Of journalists are actually also undercover as pies. If anybody 837 00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.280 listened to my show for thirty if I was talking 838 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.039 about Vladimir Putin that way in Russia, I would be murdered. 839 00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:06.400 In the United States of America, even though Donald Trump 840 00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.559 is trying to take away our First Amendment rights to 841 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.639 criticize him, he does it all the time. He calls 842 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.639 people like me vermin and the enemy within. We still 843 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:16.719 have the right in this country to our First Amendment 844 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.079 to criticize politicians and the president. In Russia, you will 845 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:23.719 be murdered if you do that. That's what makes him 846 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:25.559 a dictator. That's part of what makes him a dictator. 847 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:27.679 And the point I was trying to make was was 848 00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.039 that Donald Trump has right. And I'm not saying you're 849 00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.719 a Trump apologist, but Donald Trump has rolled out the 850 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.719 red carpet for an evil dictator on American soil. To 851 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.519 this day, no Russian sanctions. In fact, they've blamed Ukraine. 852 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.719 Now I know, I guess we disagree on what's going 853 00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.519 on in Ukraine. But Donald Trump's foreign policy is a joke. 854 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:49.480 The world is laughing at us right now when it 855 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:52.079 comes to tariffs, the one hundred and seventy five billion 856 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.079 dollars that he stole from the American people, and now 857 00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:56.840 we were told we were going to get tariff checks 858 00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:58.760 and now it's turned into well, you can sue us 859 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.679 if you'd like to. I can go policy by policy 860 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.440 with you. Ice. I agree that because I'm sure this 861 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.039 is a topic that you talk about a lot, which 862 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:10.440 is immigration. I am pro border security. I want people 863 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.599 to come to this country legally. However, I don't want 864 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.599 people that have been in this country for decades, that 865 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.000 pay taxes, that have families here sent to an L 866 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:22.159 Salvador prison. That's happened. Not everybody was nonviolent, but the 867 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.639 majority of those people, I think it was over sixty 868 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.079 percent of the people that they sent to an El 869 00:39:26.119 --> 00:39:29.280 Salvador prison were non violent criminals. I don't want people 870 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.199 murdered in the streets. What happened in Minneapolis is a travesty. 871 00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:36.000 What happened to Renee Good and Alex Pretty is repugnant. 872 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:38.719 It's terrible. And then you had christinoam who is no 873 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.000 longer there now, who called them domestic terrorists hours after 874 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.800 these shootings without a full investigation, and by the way, 875 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.480 the evidence proves it. That's why they took that Boveno 876 00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.920 asshole out of Minneapolis, and they took out two or 877 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.039 three thousand troops. Listen, violent criminals ninety percent of the country. 878 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.159 Democrats and Republicans agree if you're a violent criminal and 879 00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:03.280 you're undocumented, deported, absolutely, I'm on board with that. But 880 00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:05.599 I have a serious problem with a party that says, 881 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.039 come on into our country, just do it the right way, 882 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.719 do it legally. We don't care what the color of 883 00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.880 your skin is. Which is the party that has made 884 00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.440 it more difficult for people to become legal citizens. In 885 00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:17.360 some cases it takes ten or fifteen years for people 886 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.119 to be naturalized. The Democrat party has tried to come 887 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.000 up with a way to make it easier for people 888 00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:24.840 to get a pathway to citizenship, and meanwhile, Republicans make 889 00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:27.559 it more difficult. Let's make it easier for people. I 890 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.480 want them to be vetted, but let's make it a 891 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.440 little bit easier for people to become citizens, and let's 892 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.440 give them some more incentives. And if you happen to 893 00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.280 be undocumented and your nonviolent criminal, which I think is important, 894 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.360 then you have to pay a penalty. But let's come 895 00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.480 up with something that works for the American people. I 896 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:45.239 don't think separating families and murdering people on the streets 897 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.039 is good policy, and that's what the Trump administration has done. 898 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:51.639 I would actually just say we don't need immigration really 899 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:51.960 at all. 900 00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.360 I think we have enough human resource and capital here 901 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:58.440 in the West in America that we don't actually need 902 00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:01.199 the replace of the indigenous people. 903 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.039 And that's kind of a war crime in my view. 904 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:05.079 This is a known strategy. 905 00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.599 You can read Kelly Greenhill's book, She's Like, she writes 906 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.719 for Cornell University. I think weapons of mass migration. So 907 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:17.039 this is a known geopolitical strategy technique to change the 908 00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.320 people groups. Specifically with Europe, you have the Colergy plan. 909 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.159 I've read Kudnov Clergy It's real. His book Practical Idealism 910 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.599 discusses this explicitly that plan was adopted by the Royal 911 00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.920 Society to change the demographics of the European Union, and 912 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.599 then we have the same situation I think in America 913 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:36.440 where you have the flooding of the country with all 914 00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:40.639 kinds of third world people, to change the demographics, not 915 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.119 just for political reasons, but I think ultimately for long 916 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.639 term socialist international reasons. 917 00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.880 So we can give a history lesson on immigration, and 918 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.239 we can talk about the past, but what I'm talking 919 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.679 about right now is the future and where this country 920 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.719 is at right now. Will you agree with me that 921 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.880 the shootings of Rene Good and Alex Pretty were horrible. 922 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:05.159 They weren't handled properly, and we had a woman in 923 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:10.480 Chicago who was shot five times, almost died, and everybody 924 00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.760 in Ice, including Donald Trump, Christy Noams, Stephen Miller, everybody, 925 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.000 based on text messages, were praising this guy for shooting 926 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.000 this woman five times. They claimed that Ms. Martinez was 927 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.480 trying to impeding an investigation, and then all of a sudden, 928 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.519 when the body camera footage came out, it said the 929 00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.480 total opposite and they were tracted the charges. Did anybody apologize? 930 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:27.840 No? 931 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:32.639 Are those officers still out there? Yes, that's wrong. Can 932 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:33.559 we agree that that's wrong? 933 00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:35.079 I mean, and I don't doubt that in some of 934 00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.199 these situations, you have absolutely horrible mistakes like that. I 935 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.960 would probably agree with that, But and I don't know 936 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.199 the specific of those cases because I'm more focused on 937 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:43.400 the bigger you'll pay you watch. 938 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.639 You're saying, oh, we don't need a history lesson. 939 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.199 I actually do need a history lesson because if what 940 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.599 I'm talking about is true, then there's a longer, broader strategy. 941 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.199 You don't want immigrants in here at all, there's a 942 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.719 long we don't need any more. No, so you want 943 00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.800 to just close the borders for everybody? Yeah, sure, okay, 944 00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.119 Well obviously I disagree with you one. 945 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.679 Okay, but that's fine. But Uh, the the reason that 946 00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.280 I'm saying that is because there is a real long 947 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.280 term socialist strategy to change the demographics of the entire West, 948 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.119 and these documents point to that. 949 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.079 It cell goes oct what does it matter to you 950 00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:13.480 where where someone comes from? 951 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:14.039 Uh? 952 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.000 What does it matter? 953 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.719 You know, the people's heritage and tradition makes sense. All 954 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:20.119 the people who come here, all the people that come 955 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.480 here certainly believe that what is it? What does it 956 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.599 matter where somebody was from. So long as the example, 957 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:29.920 as long as if they have Sunni ISLAMI believes it 958 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:30.679 matters quite a bit. 959 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:33.639 Okay, But if they're not breaking the law and they're 960 00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.079 decent people and their family people, why is it. 961 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.159 It's way more complex than that, because, for example, in Islam, 962 00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.239 they have the idea and belief that you pretend to 963 00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:47.000 be a minimal and affable to the society that you're 964 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.119 going into, and then over time, when you gain power, 965 00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:50.679 then you overthrow them. 966 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:53.320 That's in the Quran. Okay, Well, so that's one example. 967 00:43:53.360 --> 00:44:01.280 Do you have any friends, to have any friends? No, 968 00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.119 that's not what I know you. I didn't mean interact, 969 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:08.679 But do you do you? Interaction is one thing, but like, 970 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.519 do you do you spend time with people of Muslim? Okay, 971 00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.960 so I have and I didn't. I didn't say you 972 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:21.039 didn't have friends. That I misspoke. That's fine. But I 973 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.119 can tell you that I know a lot of people 974 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.480 that are Muslim that live in this country, maybe a 975 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.920 couple dozen, and they're good people. They're nice people, they're 976 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.280 family people. Not every Muslim wants harm on America. Not 977 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.199 every Muslim it is a terrorist. But there are people 978 00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:39.880 on the right that do. Laura Lumer thinks that all 979 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.239 Muslims should be deported. She is despicable. She is a racist. Now, 980 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.360 I disagree with you on the fact that you don't 981 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.880 want any immigrants in this country at all. But I 982 00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:51.760 will say this, every single time Donald Trump says make 983 00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.320 America great again, it always meant to me, make America 984 00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.239 white again. That's what I believe many in his base 985 00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:02.400 beliefs would racist. Yes, yes, but you're saying race isn't wrong. 986 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.079 Absolutely it's wrong. And I'm saying his slogan, and a 987 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.960 lot of people that abide by his slogan want America 988 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.840 to be white. And and I and I I don't 989 00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:13.960 know about you just said, what's wrong with the people 990 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.599 coming here? I don't see anything wrong with people from 991 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.280 what's wrong with them having their heritage and their tradition. 992 00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.039 It depends specifically what you're talking about. But if they're 993 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.079 not breaking the law, then let them believe in what they're. 994 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.239 What's wrong with people who are white having their heritage 995 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:27.599 in their tradition, if they're not breaking the law. 996 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:30.000 Okay, I don't have a problem with that either. But 997 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.480 what you're saying to me is you don't want any 998 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.920 immigrants country. Okay, but I think that's wrong. Does Japan 999 00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:40.480 have to take in third world people? First of all? 1000 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.159 That makes do they have to That's that's a different country. 1001 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.119 I'm talking about the United States. What makes is this 1002 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.639 a universal principle? No? I believe the United States, the 1003 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.400 United States of America was particular just to America. We 1004 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:53.519 live in the United States. So I'm going to speak 1005 00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.519 on what I want here in the country applies to 1006 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.320 people in America, doesn't apply to our country. In a 1007 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.719 perse relative in a perfect world, it's arbitrary. In a 1008 00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.599 perfect arbitrary, I'm answering you. In a perfect world, I 1009 00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.800 would love the entire world to operate in a state 1010 00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.800 of live where you want to live, have the religion 1011 00:46:10.880 --> 00:46:12.599 that you want. And I don't want people to be 1012 00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.679 judged based on religion ors sing j in a perfect world? 1013 00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.280 Should they in a perfect world? I want want every 1014 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:21.519 You talk about this world, so should they in this world? Yeah? 1015 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.440 I think everybody of every country should take in immigrants. 1016 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:31.079 I think untold infinity as long as you're vetted properly. Well, 1017 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.320 I mean, I mean, listen, I come from a different cloth, 1018 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.880 I guess and in my personal opinion, I don't care 1019 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.960 what you look like. I don't care what the color 1020 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:43.079 of your skin is unless I don't care. No, you're 1021 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.400 not letting me finished. No, it has something to do 1022 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:46.119 with that I want. It's a double center. No, it's 1023 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.039 not a double standard. You're not hearing me out. I 1024 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.519 don't care where you're from. You could be white, you 1025 00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.280 could be black. I don't care. You could be as 1026 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.119 one hundred percent white like me. I want everyone to 1027 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:58.840 have the same opportunities as long as you're vetted properly. Yes, 1028 00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.880 I do want border secure. I want people to be vetted. 1029 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.239 But the difference, to the fundamental difference here is I 1030 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.239 don't care where you're from as long as you don't 1031 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.599 have bad intention. It's crazy you don't care about that. 1032 00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:09.719 But that wasn't the question. 1033 00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:12.159 The questions about the ethics of an entire country taking 1034 00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:15.440 in massive amounts of other third world migrants, that was 1035 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:15.880 the question. 1036 00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.800 First of all, it's dependent upon are they coming in 1037 00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.000 the right way. It's dependent upon are they properly vetted. 1038 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.719 It's dependent upon where are they going to go? Are 1039 00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:26.440 they going to be able to provide something to the 1040 00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.679 United States? Tools and skills that they have. That's part 1041 00:47:29.719 --> 00:47:31.960 of the vetting process. So as long as you're doing 1042 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.440 that properly, and we don't have bad people, which I 1043 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.159 don't want. I don't want bad people coming here. I 1044 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.119 don't want people that want to do harm to America. 1045 00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.039 I don't want rapists or child molesters, or quite frankly, 1046 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:44.320 people that you support like Donald Trump. I don't want 1047 00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:47.280 people like that in this country. And if they're properly, 1048 00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:48.960 I'm being serious that. I know it's funny, but I'm 1049 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.079 being serious. I don't want people like Donald Trump, your 1050 00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:53.440 orange people like Donald Trump, who are thirty four count 1051 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.760 fellow liable sexual abusers, people that you support like Donald Trump, 1052 00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.320 who's named thousands of times in the Epstein files. I mean, 1053 00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.039 I don't want people like that in this country. I 1054 00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.719 don't care what the color of their skin is, like you, 1055 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.159 I don't care where what country they're from. I don't 1056 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.920 want people in this country like Donald Trump. And I 1057 00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:12.159 can give you multiple reasons why you voted for a 1058 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.480 thirty four count villain. You voted for a liable sexual abuser. 1059 00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.079 Why are you so worried about people from other countries 1060 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.159 coming here? When the guy who you support the president 1061 00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.320 of the United States is like a fallacy machine. No, 1062 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.000 it's not a fallacy machine, it's logic. 1063 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.880 Don't Well, you don't actually know what fallacies are because 1064 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.880 you demonstrated that earlier. You don't know what appealed to 1065 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:29.159 masses was I know. 1066 00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:31.119 I know what someone who is a threat to this 1067 00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:33.360 country looks like, and I know what's someone who is 1068 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:34.360 not an immigrant. 1069 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.719 You think that massive amounts of people should be able 1070 00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:37.880 to come into the country. So I don't think you 1071 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.719 actually have a good assessment of what threats are. I 1072 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:41.760 don't think you have a good assure your situation would 1073 00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:43.199 allow for the complete disintegration. 1074 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:44.920 I don't think you have a good assessment of what's 1075 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:46.639 good for this country and what's not. You want you 1076 00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:48.519 you want our border. Your assessment was based on he 1077 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.159 was purely subjective. What you want. You want our borders 1078 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.000 to be closed. You don't want any good for the country. Okay, 1079 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.639 so countries that have voting for Donald Trump, but voting 1080 00:48:57.719 --> 00:48:59.639 tru is good for the country. That's good for the country. 1081 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.800 Give it what he can starting. Yeah, so yeah, but 1082 00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.760 he's not doing that. He's who cares what this guy? Actually? 1083 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.559 Were you calling me out for voting for what he campaign. 1084 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:11.679 You want good people? Trying to associate me with a 1085 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.119 bad guy again, which, well, yeah, because you support him 1086 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:15.960 and you voted for him, you have no problem supporting 1087 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:19.760 up going with his policies already. What about his behavior? 1088 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:21.880 You want good people in this country, You don't want migrants. 1089 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:26.519 Politicians have crazy behavior. Right, gave me another politician that's 1090 00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:28.639 ever been the president that's a thirty four count felon, 1091 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.159 that's a liable sexual abuser. Please give me one example. 1092 00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:34.960 Jay Uh, Well, I don't know the number of because 1093 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:36.599 because you couldn't find that. Because you couldn't find that, 1094 00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:40.920 I don't defend Bill Clinton. You can try the what about? 1095 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.360 I mean what about? You asked me how would that be? 1096 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:45.760 What about? To answer your question, it was Bill Clinton 1097 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:47.360 a thirty four count film. I didn't say he was. 1098 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.679 I said there is probably nobody with thirty four counts 1099 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:51.719 or whatever. Yeah, you voted for that guy. Well, you 1100 00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:52.239 asked him that. 1101 00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.440 Absurd question to give a specific person who has thirty 1102 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.280 four felons, which obviously there's not a person. 1103 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:00.519 Well admit that with respect. I think it's a absurd 1104 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.559 when you say you want our borders closed and you 1105 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.199 don't want but it's coming here. Why because the other 1106 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:12.519 countries we founded, I'm telling you we were founded by immigrants. 1107 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:19.039 But about this found I'm giving you my full explanation. 1108 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.559 We were My my personal opinion is that I want 1109 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.559 it's the land of opportunity, and I believe that if 1110 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:30.000 you're vetted and you're you know, you're not a criminal, 1111 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:34.039 we should give everybody the opportunities to succeed in this country. 1112 00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.880 You go through the process of becoming a legal citizen. 1113 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.199 There are a ton of immigrants that have come to 1114 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.239 this country that have done so many great things for 1115 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:43.960 this What I was arguing, well, I mean, you just 1116 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:46.079 want the borders to be completely closed, which I think 1117 00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:48.840 is absurd. Okay, I'm sorry. I just for the countries 1118 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:50.519 that do that seem to do I just disagree with you. 1119 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.639 I just I just think that And again, you might 1120 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.559 not like the comparison I'm making here, but I think 1121 00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:58.280 it's important. You seem to have a concern and you 1122 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.880 think it's bad for the country to have immigrants coming 1123 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.840 here no infinity immigrant. Yeah, Well again, you know, I 1124 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.280 think maybe there needs to be something put in place. 1125 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:11.320 But you've made the case that you don't want immigrants 1126 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.880 here at all. You want to close the borders completely, right, 1127 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.119 it's not needed? Yeah, well, I mean there's a lot 1128 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:17.719 of things that you might think is not needed. But 1129 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.800 how does that affect you negatively if immigrants are coming up. 1130 00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:22.559 I'm not arguing for what effects mean personally. I'm just 1131 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:24.800 for America country in general. 1132 00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:29.199 Countries that have homogeneous populations that keep to their traditions 1133 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.480 and their heritage seem to flourish and function better than 1134 00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:34.039 those that are demographically changed. Hence why I was referring 1135 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.559 back to the older strategies of the War College and 1136 00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.679 others that are written about how to do demographic replacement, 1137 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:41.159 which is a form of warfare. 1138 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.480 Do you think immigrants, all undocumented immigrants that are in 1139 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:47.719 this country now should all be deported? Yes? So people 1140 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.480 that have lived in this country for decades that have 1141 00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.760 children here. How about anchor babies? Do you think they 1142 00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.360 should be deported as well? I would want the law 1143 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.199 to be changed on that. Yes, So you think that 1144 00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.119 if you're a three or a four year old child 1145 00:51:58.159 --> 00:51:59.880 that was born in this country, they should be deported? 1146 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.280 Unfortunately you do? Okay, Well, I think that's extremely harsh, 1147 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:04.519 and I disagree with you. By the way, if you're 1148 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.840 seeking asylum from a country, you know, from Mexico for example, 1149 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.239 and you're going about it the right way and you 1150 00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:11.119 filled out the right paperwork, it is illegal for the 1151 00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.320 Trump administration to deport you. Do you understand that they're 1152 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.280 doing that right now? It is against the law. And 1153 00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.800 there they are going against what our constitution says. It's 1154 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.119 happening right now as we speak. You have ICE agents 1155 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.840 outside of courtrooms when they have filled out the proper paperwork. 1156 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:23.119 Yeah. 1157 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:24.639 Well, I mean, I think these are your focusing on 1158 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:28.239 minutia of bad situations that happened the individuals in masses 1159 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.880 of tens of millions of people, when the overall net 1160 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:34.880 negative for the country is more important than the minutia. 1161 00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.760 And you know, one person is a you know, a 1162 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.440 news story, but the statistics of millions of people get forgotten. 1163 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.000 So it's more important for the long term benefit of 1164 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.159 the country in general than to highlight as the left 1165 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:46.719 off and does I'm not saying you're a leftist, but 1166 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.480 they highlight specific cases to do emotional peals and so 1167 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.679 like you've done in this debates, a lot of emotional PILs, 1168 00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:53.400 which also fallacy. 1169 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.840 I don't think it's emotional to say that the president 1170 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.719 is ripping up parts of the constitution and breaking the law. 1171 00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.440 Those are breaking the laws emotions, Those are emotional appeals. 1172 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.719 Does it say that we all have What does it 1173 00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:05.760 say in our constitutions say every citizen has the right 1174 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.039 to do process? Or or any every person? What does 1175 00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:09.440 it say? Uh? 1176 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.039 Off the top of my head, I don't recall, but 1177 00:53:11.079 --> 00:53:13.280 I kind of important. I would assume its citizens. 1178 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.599 No, you're wrong. In our constitution it says any person 1179 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.960 has the right to do process. This is really fundamentally important. Okay, 1180 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.519 but they also didn't have the idea of infinity open borders. 1181 00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.079 Okay at the time, again you use the term infinity, 1182 00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:29.239 but you said you don't want any immigrants coming into 1183 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.000 the country, So that's different than infinity. My solution to 1184 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:34.719 infinity is the closing of the borders, Right, you want 1185 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.119 the borders closed and you don't want any immigrants coming in. 1186 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.400 And the point that I was trying to make is 1187 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:40.559 if you care about our constitution, which I hope you do. 1188 00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:43.960 I do as well, it says in our Constitution our forefathers, 1189 00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.800 it says not any citizen has the right to do process. 1190 00:53:47.960 --> 00:53:50.480 It says any person and as much as your person 1191 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:52.519 also can be a lawbreaker and people that are here 1192 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.239 absolutely absolutely, but that doesn't mean they don't have the 1193 00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:56.079 right to do process. 1194 00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:57.880 That's what it says in our constitution. Well, yeah, I 1195 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.239 wouldn't have a problem trying to that and do uh 1196 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:01.159 do process. 1197 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:03.679 But they're not doing that. Jay, Well, that's I'm sorry. 1198 00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:07.880 I mean, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't defend that specifically, 1199 00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:10.000 but just now asked me about that. Okay, but you're 1200 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.320 saying that any child that is. 1201 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:17.159 Born, I said specifically, highlighting certain emotionally charged cases is 1202 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.960 neglecting the bigger problem. And that's what the left tends 1203 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.960 to do in this topic is highlight the emotional appeal 1204 00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:25.559 topics about this child or that child, which is unfortunate, 1205 00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:26.559 but it's. 1206 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:27.480 Not the big issue. 1207 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.400 The big issue is I'm sorry going Well, I'm saying 1208 00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.639 in philosophy and emotional appeal is where you cite a 1209 00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.559 specific example and then you expand that to the to 1210 00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:38.719 the totality and say that on the basis of how 1211 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.599 you feel about this specific example, you should sway your opinion. 1212 00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.960 So the reason it's the fallacies that's not actually based 1213 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.119 on the logic of the situation. It's based on what 1214 00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.000 what you feel the war propaganda does. 1215 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:49.320 That's where they say, look at this child, he was 1216 00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.440 killed in the war, therefore be against the war. Well, 1217 00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.440 I'm just talking about our constitution in the lawn. No, 1218 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.719 you weren't. You were talking about I wasecific emotionally charge case. Now, 1219 00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.159 I was specifically talking about what it says in the constitution. 1220 00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:01.239 You talked about mostly charge cases. Then you ask me 1221 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.960 about that I'm asking you about and I was responding 1222 00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.719 to the law which states if you are from certain 1223 00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.719 countries like Mexico and you're seeking asylum, and you come 1224 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.199 to this country and you fill out the proper paperwork, 1225 00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:14.480 and you're in the middle of that process, and you 1226 00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.079 show up in front of a judge, it is illegal 1227 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.159 for the Trump administration to deport you. And the point 1228 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:21.480 that I was trying to make is this isn't a 1229 00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:24.239 one off for a couple of cases. Thousands of people 1230 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.800 have been deported in the middle of the paperwork process, 1231 00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:31.239 where in our own constitution it says they cannot deport 1232 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.679 you if you're seeking asylum from certain countries. It's against 1233 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:36.920 the law. That's not an emotional argument, but it's a 1234 00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:37.719 law that's being. 1235 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.039 Broke thousands of cases versus ten twenty thirty million people 1236 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.719 that are here illegally in the last few decades. Again, 1237 00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.719 it's that's highlighting something that's not the main issue. So 1238 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:50.079 it's more important to save the country than to be 1239 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:52.199 an overly concerned I don't think these people. 1240 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.800 Are ruining the country and our country needs to be saved. 1241 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:57.079 In fact, per case, I disagree. Okay, well, do you 1242 00:55:57.159 --> 00:55:58.400 have a better chance of being the victim of a 1243 00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:02.760 crime from an undocumented immigrant or American citizen depends on 1244 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:04.800 where you are. Okay, now, you know to certain places 1245 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:06.559 where there are no there's going to be more crime 1246 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.519 in certain cities. But as a whole, and you could 1247 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:10.800 look this up FBI statistics, you have a better chance 1248 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:12.480 of being the victim of a crime from an American 1249 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.000 citizen than you do an undocumented immigrant. I think that's 1250 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:16.639 very important to note because a lot of people think 1251 00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:19.199 that brown people and undocumented emigrant's coming into this country 1252 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:20.679 are going to rape your kids and they're going to 1253 00:56:20.760 --> 00:56:22.800 kidnap your wife. It's just not the case. There are 1254 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:26.159 examples there are examples of undocumented immigrants that do horrible things. 1255 00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:28.199 I want those people to ported. I don't want them here. 1256 00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.960 But the overwhelming majority of these people that are coming 1257 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.920 into this country, that are here already, many of them 1258 00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.280 you know, that are undocumented, are not bad people with 1259 00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.960 bad intentions. I want bad people, uh thrown out of 1260 00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.280 the true But it's still illegal. Yeah, okay, okay, so 1261 00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:47.239 it's against the law. Yeah so you think so. Your 1262 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.440 your opinion is if you break the law, there should 1263 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.960 be consequences. Is that a fair assessment? Sure? What are 1264 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:54.159 the consequences for Donald Trump, the man who you support. 1265 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:57.039 You're laughing, but it's I mean. 1266 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.760 Because you're trying to pay me as if I'm some 1267 00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.239 sort of like, well, no, every single policy. 1268 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:04.400 This isn't about policy. This is about concept. Now you're 1269 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.480 changing between when I told you I was an issues person. 1270 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.159 You say I'm a Trump apologist. I did not say 1271 00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:11.000 you're a trumpopolicy said the man that you support, And 1272 00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.400 I'm like, yeah, no on specific issues issue person. Okay, 1273 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:16.280 so let's talk about this. And I already agreed that 1274 00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.639 let's forget about the fact that you've because it's hypocrisy. 1275 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:23.599 You want people held to the highest hold on I'll 1276 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.079 explain to you what I mean, and I'm not. I 1277 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.000 don't think you're a Trump apologist. I don't think you are. 1278 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.320 Based on the twenty minutes i've known you, I don't 1279 00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.519 think you are. But you want people to be held 1280 00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.199 to account. If it's somebody, by the way, it's a misdemeanor. 1281 00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:36.840 If you come into this country legally, it's not even 1282 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:39.480 a felony. But but you want people to held to 1283 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.519 the highest extent of the law in this case of misdemeanor. Okay, fine. 1284 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.280 I believe for the for the maintenance and safety and 1285 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.480 health of the country, because I think the country will collapse. 1286 00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:49.880 Do you do you agree with me? I disagree with that, 1287 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.880 But do you agree with me that we should have 1288 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.400 that same standard held to the highest people in power, 1289 00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:57.960 including Donald Trump? Yeah? I think everybody, nobody should be 1290 00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.639 immune to to or above the wall. Sure do you 1291 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:03.760 think that standard has held up when it comes to 1292 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.360 Donald Trump in the thirty four count felony felonies that 1293 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.440 he was found guilty of or the Jack Smith case? 1294 00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.119 Uh January sixth, Let me ask you another question. Since 1295 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:13.840 we're talking about the law, do you do you think 1296 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:16.360 January sixth happens. If Donald Trump doesn't lie about the 1297 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:22.480 twenty twenty election, would January six have happened? Yeah? If 1298 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.519 Donald Trump didn't lie, which clearly it was a lie, 1299 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.280 I don't care what Alex Jones says. If Donald Trump 1300 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.079 didn't lie about the twenty twenty election because he didn't win, 1301 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.960 does January sixth happen? I have no idea. You have 1302 00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:36.679 no idea, all right, Hypothetically speaking to you, asked me 1303 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:38.800 a lot of questions I want to ask. Can I 1304 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.559 just touch on this? But I want to use some 1305 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.840 interrogation as well. Fair enough you can, as you can 1306 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.719 ask me anything you like. Last question, well, to this issue. 1307 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.440 You're telling me that if Donald Trump did what every 1308 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.519 other president did in American history, which was concede, which 1309 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:57.400 he didn't do, you think January sixth still happens and 1310 00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.400 people are trying to overthrow a free and fair election. 1311 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.559 You can't add answer that question. You don't know. 1312 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.559 It's just an argument from silence. I don't know what 1313 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:06.320 would have happened had this major event not occurred. 1314 00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:09.599 So if he conceded and did what every other president did, 1315 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.960 you still think January sixth happens, and they stormed the 1316 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.400 capin on their saying, I don't know what would have happened. Okay, 1317 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.679 maybe it does, it happen, Maybe it's less likely. Who 1318 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.599 won the twenty twenty election free and fair? I believe 1319 00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.440 there's manipulation. I think most elections are manipulation. Okay, who 1320 00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.239 won the election? Free and fair? Did Joe Biden win 1321 00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:26.559 a free and fair election? No? Is there any evidence 1322 00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.599 of widespread voter front that you can share with us today? 1323 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:31.559 This is my opinion. I don't spend a whole lot 1324 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.519 of time focusing on voter fraud or voter election issues 1325 00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.920 because I'm not really into day to day politics, but 1326 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.719 studying the history of the CIA the way it works, 1327 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:43.039 I think that they can easily tap into their techniques 1328 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.199 for regime change and throwing elections. Donald Trump win the 1329 00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.840 Donald Trump win the twenty twenty four election free and fair? Then? 1330 00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:52.880 Or would you hold that same standard and maybekommonalt No. 1331 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:56.320 I think that Trump had overwhelming popular so so it's 1332 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.239 only free and fair if Donald Trump wins. But I 1333 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.960 just gave you my opinion based on what though there's 1334 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.519 no evidence of widespread voter for he had chances my 1335 01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:09.480 opinion on how the CIA riggs elections. But go ahead, 1336 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.280 So a lot of what you've argued, you keep saying 1337 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:15.519 my opinion, my opinion, my opinion. I'm just curious, like 1338 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.960 where on what basis ought we go with your opinion 1339 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:21.760 on what which opinion? Every topic tonight has come back 1340 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.800 to your specific specific on what what what topics in general? 1341 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.559 On the on what basis ought we to choose your opinions? Well, 1342 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.159 first of all, it's not an opinion, but you said 1343 01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:33.960 that the Trump administration is breaking the law. 1344 01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:37.000 I've already clearly why we know, why ought we do 1345 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.039 this or that for the country. For example, you said 1346 01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.199 that we ought to have certain types of immigration that's legal, 1347 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.400 and this and that, And I'm saying you said this 1348 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.440 was my opinion, my opinion, my opinion, And I'm saying, 1349 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.239 why ought we do that? Because you didn't apply those 1350 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.400 things to other places like Japan? So why ought we 1351 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.039 only go with your assessments? 1352 01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.679 America is not Japan? Number two? So why ought we 1353 01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.320 care about here? Well, because I care about the country 1354 01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:04.559 that I live. I'm more concerned about the country that 1355 01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.840 are the ethics relative or are the universal? It's a question. 1356 01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:12.960 As I've said, I wish that every government across the 1357 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.639 world shared the belief of we are going to vet 1358 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.159 you properly ought to because you wish it was the case. No, 1359 01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:22.039 I just don't care what the color of your skin 1360 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:23.719 is or where you're from. If you're a decent person, 1361 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.679 I welcome you in my country. So what's a pretty 1362 01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:30.000 fair logical We follow your position? Because it's logical? Why 1363 01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.440 ought we follow not being a racist? Because that's kind 1364 01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:37.440 of when I'm I think if you don't want anybody 1365 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:39.800 from any other country, which is what you have said, 1366 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.519 you want our borders completely shut down. I believe that 1367 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.719 is Unamerican. Okay. The beauty of this country is that 1368 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.400 we have the freedom and others have the freedom to 1369 01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:53.400 make something of themselves so wherever they come from. And 1370 01:01:53.480 --> 01:01:55.440 I think that's a beautiful thing about the United So 1371 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.119 I can't speak for Japan. Why ought we follow that though? 1372 01:01:58.159 --> 01:01:59.960 Because you because you like it, you think it's beautiful. 1373 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:03.960 Why this country was founded on that our freedom? Many 1374 01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.199 countries have founded on all kinds of things that are stupid. 1375 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.880 So your reasoning is the country is going to go 1376 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.559 down the crapper if we that's that's your reasoning behind it, 1377 01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:15.559 and I okay, so fine, my reasoning is dumb, but 1378 01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:17.440 I want to know why we have to follows dumb. 1379 01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:21.360 I'm just saying, why are we follow yours? Because we 1380 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:23.360 have been following it for decades and I think we're 1381 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:25.119 the best country in the world for for a very 1382 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.199 very long time. Circular argument following, because I do believe 1383 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:33.519 the immigrants have a lot of benefits to the United 1384 01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.480 States of America. You're not telling me why we ought 1385 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.320 to follow that. Well, produce jobs that immigrants take, that 1386 01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.679 most Americans are not willing to take, working for wages 1387 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.440 that and Americans they help the economy. There's no question 1388 01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:47.960 that it helps the Why are those things? So? In 1389 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:50.119 other words, you're assuming that there's this good that you 1390 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:53.280 have access to the different cultures I think is good. 1391 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.159 I think I think learning different cultures and uh, I 1392 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:59.039 think what's made America great is being uh for, for 1393 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:01.920 lack of a better term, I'm a mixt of different 1394 01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.280 colors in the crayon box and being diverse. I think 1395 01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:06.960 diversity is a good thing, and I don't. 1396 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:08.840 I said, so there's a standard of the good, which 1397 01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:11.559 originally was what you said was your opinion and you 1398 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.920 think that it works, and this and that's the standard. 1399 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.199 Brown people scary. So now you're asking questions when I well, yeah, 1400 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:19.400 because I don't understand your logic to this. You said 1401 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.599 America is going to go down. You're deflecting away from 1402 01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:24.239 the fact that your position objective. I'm not deflecting. Are 1403 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:29.480 they relative? Are they subjective opinions not based on on 1404 01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.800 crime and statistics and and the benefits that the economy 1405 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:35.920 UH has toward ethics? Are they subjective? Yah? But I 1406 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:39.440 was talking about the economy of numbers ethics. What about 1407 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:42.320 the ethics? Is your ethics subjective and relative or is 1408 01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:44.360 it objective? Yeah? I think there are people out there 1409 01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.599 that could disagree with me that are maybe don't like 1410 01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:48.079 brown people. I think there are people out there that 1411 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:53.199 have different opinions that think that brown people are I 1412 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:55.639 guess I guess you could make the case. I guess 1413 01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:57.639 you could make the case it's subjective. I guess you 1414 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.159 can make that case. I mean, some people could say 1415 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.719 the Klan isn't racist. I guess that's subjective to you 1416 01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:05.079 could make the case. You could make the case. I 1417 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:06.800 know what's subjective means? What does it mean, I know 1418 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:08.719 what it means. I understand what it means. And this 1419 01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:10.239 is see, this is sean. I'm not sure that they 1420 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:13.679 do so in terms of relativism and what is that? 1421 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.320 What do you think that this is? Okay, I'll answer 1422 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.559 your question, but this is this is the Andrew Wilson approach. Well, 1423 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.239 I've been doing this debate for twenty five years, I know, 1424 01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:21.880 and you can be doing it for one hundred years. 1425 01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.880 It doesn't mean anything to me, means dick. Okay, so 1426 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.000 let's continue the conversation. I don't have to have as 1427 01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:28.840 no no, no, no no. This is a word game 1428 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.559 that you're trying to play with me. So I do 1429 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.840 and ethics games. You can say all racism is word games. 1430 01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:37.320 To the point that I'm trying to say for the 1431 01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:38.880 good and you're saying it's a word game. So your 1432 01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:41.559 position is based on I've told you you're not listening. 1433 01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.119 First of all, it's a benefit to the economy. Why 1434 01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.199 is that a show you in the question what's the good? 1435 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:51.840 Why is it a benefit that it people help our economy? 1436 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:53.719 You have a reference to the good in all of 1437 01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:55.920 these assertions, and I'm asking you what is this good? 1438 01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.280 Because you just keep saying. Then you said admitted that 1439 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.639 it's objective and it's relative. Well, and that case, then 1440 01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.559 there's no reason to prefer to offer that on anyone else. 1441 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:06.639 Well, I would ask you the same question, why is 1442 01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:09.159 it bad? I don't believe in subjective ethics? Okay, Well, 1443 01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:11.440 why is it bad for the country? Why are immigrants 1444 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:12.599 bad for the United States of America? 1445 01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.039 Why do you want to close I already argued that 1446 01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:18.159 because a massive influx of other people that are not 1447 01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.119 indigenous to this population replaces the it's demographic. 1448 01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:23.079 Don't we have a First Amendment right to believe? We 1449 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:24.920 believe that. So you want to take the first Amendment? 1450 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.280 I want to say that your ethics comes from the Constitution. 1451 01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.239 That's fine, you want to take. I'm asking you, though, 1452 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:32.280 people that are in this country that are not from America, 1453 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:34.800 you don't believe they should have a First Amendment right 1454 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:36.559 to believe something differently than you when it comes to 1455 01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:40.159 religion or beliefs. Certainly you misunderstood the question. So the 1456 01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:43.039 question wasn't are there people who have different positions or 1457 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.400 do they have a right to different position? The question was, 1458 01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:48.000 what's the epstemic basis you have for your ethics, which 1459 01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.599 was purely subjective. Yeah, do you know? Well then I mean, 1460 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:54.079 I mean, I mean, if it's purely subjective, then in debate, 1461 01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.000 then you But no, I've not conceded anything. What I'm 1462 01:05:57.039 --> 01:05:58.639 trying to tell you is that when it comes to 1463 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:02.400 immigrants that are in this country relative I'm talking about 1464 01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:05.800 legal immigrants. I can give you statistics that show you 1465 01:06:05.920 --> 01:06:09.880 that it benefit follow your position. I'm telling you because 1466 01:06:10.039 --> 01:06:11.639 you don't want our economy to be boosted. 1467 01:06:11.679 --> 01:06:13.639 You know you don't understand that question is about why 1468 01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.000 ought we follow it? Not just to restate what the 1469 01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:16.519 position is. 1470 01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:19.360 Why ought we follow it? Because it's why should we 1471 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.119 because you've already said it's relative and subjectives? Why should 1472 01:06:22.159 --> 01:06:24.840 we not close our borders? And why does Brian believe 1473 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.159 that we should allow people from other countries in? As 1474 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:29.079 I've told you before and I'll tell you again. 1475 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.719 So again, it's a higher level order of questioning. That's 1476 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:35.280 about the basis for the ethics, not to restate your 1477 01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.800 position again, but why ought we follow your position? When 1478 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.000 you then admitted that your position is relative and suspective. 1479 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:42.639 I've told you that I don't think immigrants coming into 1480 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:44.800 this country as a whole are bad for the United 1481 01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.400 States of America. I've stated my position there, which is 1482 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:48.960 based on the good, but you don't know what the 1483 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:51.599 good is. Well, I've told you already, which is benefit 1484 01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:56.599 to our economy. I believe diversity position. So you're saying, 1485 01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:58.800 what is the case, this is the case, this is 1486 01:06:58.840 --> 01:06:59.199 the case. 1487 01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:03.039 But why ought we follow your subjective, relativistic argument, Because 1488 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:05.320 when you come to debate and you admit that it's relative, ye, 1489 01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:07.639 then well then there's no reason to follow it. 1490 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.599 Well, listen, you come from the cloth of you want 1491 01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:12.880 our borders to be completely closed and we can play 1492 01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.679 word games. You are, and the reason why is the 1493 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:18.639 reason why I disagree with you. Instead of getting into 1494 01:07:18.679 --> 01:07:22.159 a philosophical debate, which I'm not here to do, I'm 1495 01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.639 telling you that in my personal opinion, it's my opinion. 1496 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.880 I don't have a problem with anybody from other parts 1497 01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.559 of the world, from different cultures and different backgrounds and 1498 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:37.440 different religions coming into this country, so long as they're 1499 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:39.480 properly vetted and we know they're not criminals and they 1500 01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:42.119 have good intentions. I don't think that's a threat to 1501 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.519 the United States of America. Now you do you think 1502 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.320 it's bad for America. You think it's a threat to America. 1503 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:49.960 I disagree with you. I've given you multiple reasons why. 1504 01:07:50.079 --> 01:07:51.960 First of all, a lot of these people are good 1505 01:07:52.079 --> 01:07:54.840 for our economy. They're hard workers, they want a better 1506 01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.639 life for it themselves. I think diversity is a good thing. 1507 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.800 I don't want everybody to look like you and me. 1508 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.559 I think diversity is good for the country. Now you 1509 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:05.519 can say, well, you know that's just your opinion and 1510 01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:07.719 you're you're not basing it on anything. Well, you can 1511 01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:09.440 base it on the crime rates. You could base it 1512 01:08:09.679 --> 01:08:12.800 on how it benefits our economy, the financial numbers. There 1513 01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:15.440 are a lot of different ways. You know, why should 1514 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.720 we follow All those things are assertions about what are 1515 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:19.439 the cases? Well, tell me why should we follow you? 1516 01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:21.960 Why should we follow you? I've answered your question. You 1517 01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:24.359 might not like my answer. Why should we follow you? 1518 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.199 And why should we close the orders completely? If the 1519 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:31.560 ethics that you prefer are relative and subjective, then in 1520 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:34.560 a debate, that means that anyone can just state the 1521 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.680 exact opposite and it's just as legitimate as your position. 1522 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:39.920 To me, this isn't about winning a debate. This isn't 1523 01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:45.760 about to me when I come to a conversation. It's 1524 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.520 not about playing word games. It's not about talking about philosophy. 1525 01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.960 Would you think it's because that's what we're doing now. 1526 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.680 I want you to explain to me why it's so bad, 1527 01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:58.920 so you just don't want to get drilled into your 1528 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:01.520 position to give the basis. It's not about me being 1529 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.159 afraid of anything. I want to know. I want to 1530 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:09.439 know why position based on good I gave you. I 1531 01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:13.199 gave you my ma I gave you, I gave you 1532 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:16.840 my reasons. Why I think immigrants coming into this country 1533 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:20.479 as a whole. That's just like I'm telling you, well, yeah, 1534 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:22.359 that's what this entire thing is about. It's about opinion. 1535 01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:25.600 I'm okay, Well, you can have a different way of 1536 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:27.319 talking to people, and you have that right to do that, 1537 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.279 but I don't play that game. So I'm asking you 1538 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.000 why why do you want the borders closed? And why 1539 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:34.880 do you think immigrants all over the world are so 1540 01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:36.479 bad for America? Tell me why. 1541 01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.640 I argue and explained that earlier that the demographic replacement 1542 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.239 of a people group is a form of genocide and warfare. 1543 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:47.079 So just igrants, I would just know, I said, mass 1544 01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:51.399 amounts of infinity immorants, not legalized immigrants, and not reasonable 1545 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:54.199 sensible numbers of people. Sure that makes sense, that's not 1546 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.039 what you said earlier. You want the borders closed, you 1547 01:09:56.079 --> 01:10:00.399 don't want any immigrants. That's the case right now, decision. 1548 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:02.840 So right now, you think would be a wise decision 1549 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.039 to not allow anybody from other countries I come into 1550 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:09.520 this country legally because you think there would be genocide. 1551 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.880 No, I said that bringing in infinity amounts of people 1552 01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.760 is a form of genocide, is demographic replacement, and that's 1553 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.119 what I disagree with. So that's why I would say 1554 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.880 that the present policy would be wise to completely in 1555 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:23.039 immigration at this stage. 1556 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.239 So people that are on student pieces or you would 1557 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:27.399 you be against that as well. People, it's I'm talking 1558 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:30.840 about the masses of people, and so yes, all of it. 1559 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.000 I mean a lot of the for example, Chinese foreign 1560 01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:35.840 change students, A lot of those people are spies anyway, 1561 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:36.600 So yeah. 1562 01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:37.199 So of it. 1563 01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:39.119 Didn't Trump say he wanted to bring in six hundred 1564 01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:41.399 thousand Chinese because that was a mistake because in his 1565 01:10:41.479 --> 01:10:43.800 first administration he said I want to cut off. 1566 01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:48.119 These Chinese students. A lot of these people are Chinese spies, 1567 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:50.079 probably not wise to do so. 1568 01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:53.279 Again, I disagree with Trump rehearsing on that. That's by 1569 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:57.520 the way. That's another one I disagree with. Okay, up, immigration, Okay, yeah, 1570 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.079 I really don't know what else to say. Obviously, I 1571 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.439 disagree with him, Obviously. I want people to be vetted properly. 1572 01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:04.960 I think there's a lot of good people all over 1573 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:07.239 the world that make America great. I have a lot 1574 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:10.640 of friends that come from other countries, wonderful people. I 1575 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.159 have friends that are from the faith of Islam. I 1576 01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.000 don't come from the cloth of judging somebody by where 1577 01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.319 they're from. I judge them on their character. I think 1578 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.640 Alex Jones is just as much of a threat to 1579 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.880 the United States of America. I think Donald Trump is 1580 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:25.359 just as much of a threat to the United States 1581 01:11:25.399 --> 01:11:28.279 of America than the overwhelming majority of immigrants that come 1582 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:28.800 to this country. 1583 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:30.520 You ask me, I think we should deport Alex Jones. 1584 01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:32.239 I think we should support your buddy to Gaza. I 1585 01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:34.079 think Alex Jones is a piece of shit. I think 1586 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:36.000 we should deport Donald Trump to Gaza. I think he's 1587 01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:37.600 a piece of shit. These are people that you surround 1588 01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:39.399 yourself with. This is people that you vote for. I 1589 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:42.159 think those people are far more dangerous to the United 1590 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.079 States of America than a lot of the people that 1591 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:46.399 you're talking about that you don't want here. That's my 1592 01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:48.760 personal opinion. I think there are bigger threats in the 1593 01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.279 United States of America people that look like you than 1594 01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:54.479 anybody that looks brown that comes into this country. You know, 1595 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:58.920 hopefully what's up. Racism is wrong? Right? Yeah, how am 1596 01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.399 I being racist? Well you just divided up your assessments 1597 01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:04.359 on the basis of yeah, because you are very concerned 1598 01:12:04.399 --> 01:12:07.199 with people is wrong. Yeah, absolutely, racism is wrong. I 1599 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:09.760 have no problem with white people racism right now. No, 1600 01:12:09.920 --> 01:12:12.039 I'm not. I'm doing orange people. I don't care what 1601 01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.399 the color of skin Donald Trump is. Yeah, because you 1602 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:18.920 seem to be having a problem with people that come 1603 01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:22.560 from other backgrounds differently than you. I think that there 1604 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.640 are people all sorts of people, different colors. But racism 1605 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:30.760 is also subjective or is it morally wrong? In general? 1606 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:35.720 Racism is terrible, it's wrong. It's horrible. Everybody anybody who's 1607 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:38.840 a racist. So now you're not a relativists subjectivist. When 1608 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:40.880 did I ever say that it's okay to be racist? 1609 01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:45.479 It's another word game. No, you either, so either something 1610 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.439 is relative or it's objective. And now racism is objectively 1611 01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:53.199 morally wrong everywhere. But your ethics was relativists and subjectivists. 1612 01:12:53.239 --> 01:12:54.880 So you just I've been very very clear, and I'll 1613 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.960 make it very very simple for you. Racism is wrong 1614 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.479 on what base? This and that was subjective on any basis? No, 1615 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.079 what is your base? When you judge people based on 1616 01:13:06.239 --> 01:13:09.039 your skin color? When you judge people and treat them, 1617 01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:12.720 is that universally morally wrong? I believe so yet Okay, 1618 01:13:12.760 --> 01:13:15.199 but now you're not a relativist or subjectivist. 1619 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.960 Now you're believing in moral universal claims, which you said 1620 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:19.359 isn't really possible. 1621 01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:21.079 Point that I was trying to make, Jay, So it's 1622 01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.279 a contradiction. No, it's not a contradiction the point that 1623 01:13:23.319 --> 01:13:25.399 I was, is it subjective or is it objective? I'm 1624 01:13:25.399 --> 01:13:28.239 going to give you the easy background. Is it subjective? 1625 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:29.960 I'm going to answer you, but I'm going to give 1626 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:31.680 it to you. You're going to get around the question 1627 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:36.359 because because earlier your ethics were subjective and now they're universal, 1628 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:39.520 so it can't have both. My opinion that when you 1629 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:42.039 so it's not universal. So it's not universal. So you 1630 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.119 just contradicted So it's not a contradiction what I'm about 1631 01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:47.760 to say it's universal. It's not universal. That's a contradiction. 1632 01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:50.640 What's your definition of what racism is? What about do 1633 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:53.520 you think it's universal? Is it universal? Right? I don't. 1634 01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:56.199 I mean, I don't know even what racism is technically, 1635 01:13:56.560 --> 01:13:59.600 don't know what racism is. Is that a serious statements 1636 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:03.000 you expect because when people define it, it gets defined 1637 01:14:03.039 --> 01:14:06.880 in a million different ways. And your situation, you just 1638 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:09.840 did a racist on to me. I'm a bipop person. 1639 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:13.399 I see that black indigenous personal. I'm sure you are, 1640 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.880 and how there you? So you should be so you 1641 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.720 would want you to be deported them? So let me 1642 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.039 be clear on this, Okay, The reason why I said 1643 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:23.720 people who look like you is not an attack on 1644 01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:27.119 all white people. The reason why I said that is 1645 01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:31.720 because the reason why I said that, which I think 1646 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:36.000 you're struggling to understand respect. I don't. I mean, I 1647 01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:38.319 don't think there's anything funny when it comes to racism. 1648 01:14:38.920 --> 01:14:43.920 But racism is subjective. But also can call you word 1649 01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.000 games are So if I say A and non a, 1650 01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:47.840 is that a word game or is that a contradiction. 1651 01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:50.039 So here's the point that a contradiction, not a second. 1652 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:53.479 Calm down for a second, don't so logic is relaxed. 1653 01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:55.880 Second is logical. Point that I was trying to make 1654 01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:00.239 was that you seem to think that if we'll allow 1655 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.199 a lot of immigrants coming into this country, yes, it's 1656 01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:08.039 bad for America. The right that I was traveling. The 1657 01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:09.800 point that I was trying to make is people like 1658 01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:13.159 your good friend Alex Jones and people who you voted for, 1659 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.560 like Donald Trump, to me, are probably more of a 1660 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:20.560 danger to this country than most immigrants that are coming 1661 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:23.039 into this country. But yet you want to be concerned 1662 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.119 about all these people over the world that you claim 1663 01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:26.560 are got to cause a genocide. 1664 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.560 You assumed that I had no other I mean, I mean, 1665 01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:32.800 but why is Donald Trump or Alex Jones more of 1666 01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.319 a threat to the country than millions of. 1667 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:38.680 Well, first of all, first Amendment, first amendment, free speech. 1668 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.800 He attacks people like me on a daily basis with lawsuits, 1669 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:46.359 civil suits. Yeah, towards people in the media in general, 1670 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:50.199 media members in general. When you look at the Pentagon 1671 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.600 press briefings, I can give you an example there. I 1672 01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:54.720 know people that are way on the right. Uh, they 1673 01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:57.439 don't allow people like me at these press briefings, and 1674 01:15:57.520 --> 01:16:00.279 they don't allow people in Pentagon press briefings unless right 1675 01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:02.880 wing idiots. And if someone gets in there that is 1676 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.600 on the left or in the middle, Pete Hexth does 1677 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:07.479 not call on them, that is against our democracy to 1678 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.960 begin with. Anyway, I think that's a joke when you 1679 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:11.680 look at the White House press briefings and we're just 1680 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.319 talking about the media right now. You ask me about 1681 01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:17.920 the media when you have idiots like Jack pisobic and listen, 1682 01:16:18.199 --> 01:16:20.479 I think Tim Poole, I don't think Timpole's an idiot, 1683 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:22.880 but I think Tim Poole would agree. He's not a journalist. 1684 01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:25.279 He's a talk show host, just like me. Talk show 1685 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:27.600 hosts and opinionated people should not be in that room. 1686 01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:30.600 That's not about opinionated people. That should be about strictly 1687 01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:35.479 journalists doing their job. And I find that an attack 1688 01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:38.520 on democracy as well. I think that is a threat 1689 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:40.520 to democracy. It's a threat to this country. It's a 1690 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.840 threat what happened on January sixth. It's a threat that 1691 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:45.720 he still has yet to concede an election that was 1692 01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.000 not stolen, by the way, there's no evidence of widespread 1693 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:51.119 voter fraud. You cannot you couldn't articulate that whatever you 1694 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:54.880 said about the CIA or the FBI or whatever you said. Okay, 1695 01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.279 well act so all of a sudden. Now it's okay 1696 01:16:57.319 --> 01:16:58.520 for you to have an opinion, But if I have 1697 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:01.159 an opinion on that, you're playing word as the justification 1698 01:17:01.319 --> 01:17:03.880 for your what's your justice? I asked for the justicers 1699 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:07.000 for your morals, which you're not to our opinion. Okay, 1700 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.079 it's fair enough. What's your justification that the twenty twenty 1701 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:13.319 election was stolen? Let's use your same have a hard 1702 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.279 position on that? Because I said, now you don't have 1703 01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.840 a hard position. It's my opinion based on the my 1704 01:17:18.239 --> 01:17:20.119 what's your justification? Why do you keep interrupted me when 1705 01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.600 you asked me? But because I don't need a justification 1706 01:17:22.760 --> 01:17:25.079 for my assessment. That's an opinion I don't need. It's 1707 01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.600 a different type of question than what's the grounding for 1708 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:29.960 your ethics? I don't need my justification for an opinion. 1709 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:31.520 I guess, I guess I could use the same logic 1710 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:34.560 that you just know for ethics. Okay, not your opinion again, 1711 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:36.960 what about our justic case where ethics can't be a 1712 01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:37.800 mere opinion. 1713 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.520 Yeah, that was the argument. Now you're conflating two different 1714 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.119 two different questions. By the way, not to believe in 1715 01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:44.439 democracy much is retarded. 1716 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:46.359 So you don't think we should have elections. 1717 01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:49.640 I think that elections have been kind of a joke 1718 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:51.560 for a long time, so I just don't really care 1719 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.239 about them. So it doesn't matter to me whether there's a. 1720 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.600 I don't think we should have elections in this country. 1721 01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:01.000 I'm more I'm more of a monarchist to believe in monarchy. Okay, wow, 1722 01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.560 I didn't expect that you don't care about democracy. I 1723 01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:09.119 think democracy, like Plato SAIDs retorted, So democracies, what do 1724 01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.640 you mean it's gay baking gay? Can you help me 1725 01:18:12.720 --> 01:18:15.359 understand something I guess we could have. I feel like 1726 01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:19.199 words of Magas supporters, they use homophobic slurs. I'm not 1727 01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:22.439 saying you did that on X to attack people. I 1728 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:24.199 don't understand that. It's like the way an eight year 1729 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.159 old but Brian democracy ethic, it's just a jug. If 1730 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:30.880 ethics are relative, I don't understand then I just have 1731 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:35.079 a different ethic. But okay, so democracy is gang can 1732 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:43.159 that should be the title. So people on social media, 1733 01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:45.399 some are saying you're a fascist. I didn't say that, 1734 01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:47.119 but some people on social media are saying that, what 1735 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:48.960 would you What would be your response to that. 1736 01:18:49.399 --> 01:18:51.279 Yeah, I've done a lot of critiques of fascism on 1737 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:55.000 my channel. Again, christian or the ox Christianity is not fascist. 1738 01:18:55.039 --> 01:18:56.920 It's out a history of being monarchists. So if you 1739 01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:59.039 think that fascism is monarchy, that would be a big 1740 01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:02.760 historical mistake. Fascism is the joining of the corporate interests 1741 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:04.880 together with the state interests. 1742 01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.359 That was Mussolini's definition. 1743 01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:10.680 Mussolini was originally a socialist leftist who became a fascist, 1744 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:13.439 and so I do think that the history of fascism is. 1745 01:19:13.479 --> 01:19:14.119 Bound up with. 1746 01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:18.720 Corporatism, and I'm opposed to corporatism. So I would actually 1747 01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:22.720 favor a minimalist government that is a form of hierarchy. 1748 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.560 I haven't said this, but there are people that have 1749 01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.159 accused you of being anti Semitic. I have not heard 1750 01:19:28.199 --> 01:19:30.399 anything that you've said in this conversation that would lead 1751 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.119 me to believe that. Why do you think people say 1752 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:34.640 that about you? And what are your thoughts on Jewish 1753 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:35.279 people in general? 1754 01:19:35.359 --> 01:19:37.920 Well, again, I think guilt by association if you go 1755 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.439 on a podcast of somebody who's critical of Israel, you'll 1756 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:41.359 get immediately be called it. 1757 01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:43.079 Yeah, I don't think that's anti Semitis. 1758 01:19:43.239 --> 01:19:45.199 I'm just saying that you're I'm answering the question as 1759 01:19:45.199 --> 01:19:48.159 to why might somebody say that. I do believe that 1760 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:51.520 the Talmud is not good. I don't think it teaches 1761 01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:51.960 good things. 1762 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:54.920 You're a religious person, Okay, So. 1763 01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:59.439 I'm giving the answers about I think that Zionism was 1764 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:04.720 originally a socialist quasi religious movement from Heimweitzmann, Theodore Herzel, 1765 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:07.760 Moses has Uh, and I disagree with Zionism, but I 1766 01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:10.239 think that as an Orthodox Christian, we have a duty 1767 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.880 to love all people, and so we can't hate anybody 1768 01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:15.359 or specifically pick out certain people. But I do think 1769 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:20.319 organized crime syndicates like BB or Jeffrey Epstein should be opposed. 1770 01:20:20.359 --> 01:20:23.840 But I don't make sin Jeffyin's religion, though I don't 1771 01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:26.520 make sin genetic. Was what I was about to say. Okay, 1772 01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:28.359 what are your thoughts on Jewish people in general? 1773 01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:30.159 I think that again, we have a duty, as Paul 1774 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:32.399 says in Romans eleven, to love and to pray for 1775 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:33.479 the conversion of Jewish people. 1776 01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:36.199 I think religion is bad for people, by the way 1777 01:20:37.039 --> 01:20:39.520 I think. I think in general terms, billions and billions 1778 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.680 of people have died because of their religion, because of 1779 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:45.319 their religious beliefs. What's wrong? I have a song with that. 1780 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:48.600 What's wrong with death? Murdering people's kind of if morals 1781 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:51.319 are subjective, is nothing actually wrong? I think murdering people 1782 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.159 and killing it's not. Actually it's not a universal moral wrong. 1783 01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:58.359 It's just a personal subjective Yeah, well, I think most 1784 01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:01.600 people would agree. Do you think it Okay? Probably killing, 1785 01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:04.399 that's a fallacy because appeal to masses. Well, I'm not 1786 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:07.039 going to debate that, because you know you want to 1787 01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:10.640 give using fallacy that's going to listen appeal if you 1788 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:12.640 try to call it what you want. All I'm saying 1789 01:21:12.720 --> 01:21:14.600 is a lot of people have died innocent people and 1790 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:18.000 their faith and religion. So that's all I'm saying. You're 1791 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:20.359 saying what is First of all, it's a genetic fallacy, 1792 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:24.520 So because people have died because of their fallacy, Yes, 1793 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:26.560 I do, But answer my question. Answer my question. I 1794 01:21:26.600 --> 01:21:32.279 asked you first. You keep you keep asking to try 1795 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:34.279 to making bad arguments. 1796 01:21:34.319 --> 01:21:36.520 I have a duty if we're playing chess, and you 1797 01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:38.800 kept violating the rules like I would have to say, 1798 01:21:38.920 --> 01:21:39.960 you can't move the pawn. 1799 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:42.800 Like, no, you're right, listen, Jay, You're right. Calling democracy 1800 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.680 gay is a great argument. You're very okay, Well, it 1801 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:50.119 wasn't very funny, you have I'm serious, though, Do you 1802 01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:52.560 care about our democracy? Do you care? Again? 1803 01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:56.600 I I would like to see American flourish and do well. 1804 01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.199 I don't have any hopes for democracy. I think democracy 1805 01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.600 is a term that so weaponized and used. The CIA 1806 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:04.760 kind of used this in the Cold War. I don't 1807 01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:08.439 care what about history. I'm asking you about your opinions. 1808 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:10.239 I do care about history, but I'm asking about your 1809 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:11.000 opinions right now. 1810 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:13.439 My opinions come from history and the books that I read. 1811 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:15.880 So we shouldn't have elections? What book? What book did 1812 01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:17.960 you read that should I just said that I don't 1813 01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:19.359 have a lot of faith in elections. I didn't say 1814 01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:22.399 we should have. And where's your evidence that our elections 1815 01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:25.039 are being rigged or stolen? I said that the CIA 1816 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:27.520 has a long history of rigging elections of foreign countries. 1817 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:28.840 It's a very general state. 1818 01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:31.159 So that's why I don't have a lot of faith 1819 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:33.279 in elections. In general, I think that at the local level, 1820 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.359 people can do a lot more effect. They can be 1821 01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:38.960 a lot more effective in terms of politics than national elections. 1822 01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:40.960 I mean, unless you're a lobbyist, unless you're part of 1823 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:41.640 a pack, unless you. 1824 01:22:41.640 --> 01:22:44.800 Have billions of dollars. Really, I don't see that's that's 1825 01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:46.720 national polity. I understand what you're saying. I would have 1826 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:48.239 a problem with that. I understand what you're saying, Jay, 1827 01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:50.399 But I'm an evidence. I'd like to think of myself 1828 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:53.199 as an all I said. But everything I said is 1829 01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:56.039 not even controversial. Okay, But but Jay, you are not 1830 01:22:56.199 --> 01:22:58.880 willing to say that Joe Biden won a free and 1831 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.239 fair election, and my question an opinion on it? Right? 1832 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:04.039 You said you have an opinion, and most people that 1833 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:07.840 have an opinion based that on actual and I gave you. 1834 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:09.920 You didn't give me any species. 1835 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:11.720 I think you'd understand the difference between when people have 1836 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:13.720 an opinion that they have as a theory or an 1837 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:16.119 assessment that they don't have a hard heart position on, 1838 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:18.000 versus when they have a heart position. 1839 01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:20.159 So I have some things that I have heard positions. Okay, 1840 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:22.239 but when somebody tells me that they believe that the 1841 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:24.720 election might happen. I said, it's an opinion based on 1842 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:26.640 the way that I know about how the CIA works. 1843 01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.319 That's my opinion. So your opinion is the election might 1844 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:31.399 have been stolen because you're based on the way the 1845 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:34.880 CIA works. If you presented in dozens of other countries 1846 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:39.439 the elections in Iran, thinking about other countries, that's different. Well, 1847 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:41.439 that's the precedence for why it would happen here. We're 1848 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:46.399 not Iran, Okay, we actually because the way the deep 1849 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:47.880 state that you asked them about the beginning, the way 1850 01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:49.880 they operate in other countries, is the same way that 1851 01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:51.640 they object. Let's try that one. Let me try this 1852 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:54.720 different way. If I'm a judge right now, and your 1853 01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:58.640 case that you're making that you believe opinion that Joe 1854 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:00.600 Biden didn't win a free and fair, aaloh election, what 1855 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:02.960 evidence would you be able to present to me other 1856 01:24:03.039 --> 01:24:06.079 than I know how the CIA works, which is not evidence, 1857 01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:08.079 by the way, well it is of it. Okay, Then 1858 01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:11.319 where is your You have to have something called residence. Okay, 1859 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:13.840 you have to have something presented to a judge called widespread. 1860 01:24:13.840 --> 01:24:16.039 But I didn't come here with a hard opinion. Again, 1861 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:18.640 on the twenty twenty election, So you can have an 1862 01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:20.840 opinion based on no fact at all. I didn't say. 1863 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:23.880 Note again, you're lying about whether I had so tell me. 1864 01:24:24.039 --> 01:24:26.159 Give me something that makes you believe that Joe Biden 1865 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.880 because I believe that there's a breakaway security establishment that 1866 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.439 is the quote deep state, and the same way that 1867 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.560 they re elections. And I don't care what it sounds like. 1868 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:37.479 That's again a fallacy of association, which you said you're 1869 01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:40.000 not going to do what Well, you sound like you're 1870 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:43.039 saying that I'm sorry that you can't do the nuance, 1871 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.119 But that's a fallacy. You're making a claim that the 1872 01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:50.199 election opinion, okay, an opinion. Are there things that you 1873 01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:53.479 have opinions on that you're not hard set on based 1874 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:56.000 on some cherry or gut? Sure, So if I told 1875 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:57.720 you that, why are you trying to grill me on 1876 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.439 something that If I told you that I have an 1877 01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:03.720 opinion that Donald Trump is a criminal, I would give 1878 01:25:03.760 --> 01:25:06.960 you actual cases and evidence to prove that he is 1879 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.600 a criminal. My argument was actual cases of dozens of 1880 01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:14.800 countries where the CIA rigs elections. But other countries are 1881 01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:17.399 the United States. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying that 1882 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:20.520 that's how it was here. Okay, So you not get that, 1883 01:25:20.720 --> 01:25:24.560 So you believe the way the CIA has allegedly rigged 1884 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:29.239 other elections they do this. You don't know that you believe, 1885 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.640 you believe it probably was. How did they do that here? 1886 01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:35.359 How did they rig it again the same way that 1887 01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:38.800 they do it in other countries. There's a lot of 1888 01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:40.720 different techniques. How did they rig it here? Help me 1889 01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:43.239 understand again? It's my opinion that they rigged it probably 1890 01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:47.279 with Holli stuffing. They can bring the evidence of boutant stuffing, though, 1891 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:50.319 wouldn't you have cameras. I don't have a hard opinion 1892 01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:51.920 on this, so I don't know why you're trying to 1893 01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:53.680 debate me on Like if I had a hard opinion, 1894 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:55.800 I would say, I'll be honest with you. I'll tell 1895 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.800 you why. It's a theory. I'll tell you why. The 1896 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:00.760 reason why I'm grilling you on this, for lack of 1897 01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.319 a better term, is because there is zero, let me 1898 01:26:04.399 --> 01:26:09.199 repeat zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Does this idea 1899 01:26:09.239 --> 01:26:11.560 that in that do they any hold on? Let me 1900 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:13.880 just produce thought and then you have the floor. Do 1901 01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.880 they there is zero evidence of widespread arter the same 1902 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.239 a position. It's not a position, it's a fact. But 1903 01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:24.039 birth is not that and Donald Trump did not win 1904 01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:27.560 the associated Well, no, I'm just showing how ridiculous you're 1905 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:31.840 argument ridiculous. No, it's not because I'm saying because you 1906 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:36.399 know how they do they do in other countries. I'm 1907 01:26:36.439 --> 01:26:38.359 sure it's happened in the past, but that has nothing 1908 01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:40.880 to do that is. That's the precedent for why I 1909 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:43.439 have the suspicion of twenty twenty So you know so 1910 01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:46.640 by your standard, you don't believe any elections. Do you 1911 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:50.119 think any election is election? We're giving a a straw man. 1912 01:26:50.199 --> 01:26:53.039 I didn't say every election is, but twenty twenty four wasn't. 1913 01:26:53.199 --> 01:26:56.600 That's a strong man? Okay, yes, I do twenty twenty 1914 01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:58.800 I argue that all elections are. Do you know what 1915 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.239 evidence is? I can your Yeah, do you know what 1916 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:01.800 evidence is? 1917 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:01.920 No? 1918 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:02.720 Do you okay? 1919 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:02.960 No? 1920 01:27:03.079 --> 01:27:05.000 I don't okay. I can play your stupid word games too, 1921 01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:09.319 the two thousand game, the twenty twenty four, the twenty 1922 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.880 and twenty four elections. You want to you keep saying game. 1923 01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:13.920 So I want to know if the law of non 1924 01:27:13.960 --> 01:27:16.520 contradiction is the word game. I'm asking you a question. Okay, 1925 01:27:16.600 --> 01:27:19.319 I've answered all your questions. Is the law the world 1926 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:21.680 hold on you just say everything's a word game. The 1927 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:26.359 twenty twenty four election was not I have a suspicion, okay, 1928 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:30.600 but the two thousand suspicion. So the twenty and sixteen 1929 01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.279 election where Donald Trump won, I admitted the he does 1930 01:27:33.319 --> 01:27:36.039 this the country. So why are you growing I don't 1931 01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:38.279 have the knowledge of that. So in two you said 1932 01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:40.239 it probably did. Maybe I don't know. So that's why 1933 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:43.640 that's my question. I'm not making that claim. All I'm 1934 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:47.199 simply saying is in twenty and sixteen, you believe Trump won. 1935 01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:50.760 In twenty and twenty four, you believe Trump one. But 1936 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.880 it's very interesting that you retort back to the CIA 1937 01:27:54.119 --> 01:27:56.840 as the reason why you think Joe Biden's suspicion right, 1938 01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:01.279 Joe Biden didn't win because you have a suspicion. Mhm, Okay, 1939 01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:03.600 I'll let the less on something that you said is possible. 1940 01:28:03.640 --> 01:28:07.960 I'll let the list. I want to ask, so if 1941 01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:11.199 if I say A is the same thing as not a, 1942 01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.159 do you think that's a word game or is that 1943 01:28:13.319 --> 01:28:15.800 the law of non contradiction? No, I think you're a hypocrite. 1944 01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:17.760 I think when you use these words and you have 1945 01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:20.399 these opinions, No, I think you're a hypocrite. That's an 1946 01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:24.399 out homonym. Okay, No, I wouldn't. I'm not name calling you. 1947 01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:27.119 I wouldn't say that. But I think, okay, well, because 1948 01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:30.720 you say certain things like, for example, okay, fine, you think, 1949 01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:35.399 let's say, for the sake of argument, standard in every election, 1950 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:39.760 is a the same thing as non a? Is that 1951 01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:43.760 a word game? Is the law? It depends? What we're 1952 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:46.600 talking is the law? I'm asking you about the law 1953 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:48.680 of non contradiction. That's what we're talking about, is that 1954 01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:51.199 it depends on the topic that we are referring. Is 1955 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:54.279 the law itself a word game? Like I said, I'll 1956 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:57.359 answer the law. Do you know that there in logic? 1957 01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.960 You study laws? Right? What do you think those law 1958 01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:04.520 word games? Do? I think laws are the laws of logic? 1959 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:08.359 Depends specifically what you are refering to. One called the 1960 01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:10.600 law of non contradiction? Is that a word? What about it? No? 1961 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:13.039 I wouldn't say that. Okay, thank you, not necessarily so, 1962 01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.159 I'm not playing word games. But you are a hypocrite. 1963 01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:19.720 You use a different standard for that. You do actually 1964 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:22.520 didn't argue that Donald Trump was had a different center. 1965 01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:24.560 I actually specifically said that he should be held to 1966 01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:26.680 the same standard. I don't think that she hasn't. Well, 1967 01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:28.720 that doesn't mean that that's again, had nothing to do 1968 01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:30.359 with it what I argued, No, I think I think 1969 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:31.199 it is a little bit to do it. But I 1970 01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:35.439 do find it interesting. When Trump wins, everything must have 1971 01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.600 gone fine in the election. But if Trump loses, the 1972 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:41.239 CIA must have been involved. That's an Alex Jones conspiracy theory. 1973 01:29:41.319 --> 01:29:43.520 That's not what I argue. That is a conspiracy theory. 1974 01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.000 I know what's going on in the CIA, and I 1975 01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:48.479 don't think Joe Biden. I know I had a suspicion. 1976 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:51.600 You have a suspicion past evidence and examples that you admitted. 1977 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.239 So if I said I have a suspicion possible if 1978 01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:56.720 I said no, if I said that, you said the CIA, 1979 01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.279 you said the CIA could elections and others. I don't know. 1980 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:01.880 I don't have and he knows possible. What I do 1981 01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:03.760 know is that said earlier as possible. What I do. 1982 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:07.840 Just because I say something is possible that I didn't 1983 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.119 say that you did, that's my suspicion. So you just 1984 01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:14.720 have a suspicion with no evidence. You in a position. 1985 01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:18.760 I just think it's it's it's okay. There's nothing wrong 1986 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:21.520 with being a hypocrite, because ethics a relative anyway. Yeah, 1987 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:24.239 you got to fend off with the files and the 1988 01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:28.880 deep state or sure we could talk about that. Sure, absolutely, absolutely, 1989 01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:30.600 you want to go first this time? Go ahead, I'll 1990 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.319 be a gentleman. You let him go, I'll let him 1991 01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:39.399 go first. What's the prompt? Are they are they real? 1992 01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:41.800 Are they good? Or they like? Yeah? Well, would you 1993 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:42.079 want to? 1994 01:30:42.560 --> 01:30:44.399 I guess you mentioned Trump's in there a lot, But 1995 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.399 do you have a heart take on that, Brian? I've 1996 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:47.319 seen files with Trump. 1997 01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:51.359 Sure, I have some very strong opinions on it. First 1998 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:54.239 of all, a lot of maga Republicans and even members 1999 01:30:54.279 --> 01:30:57.000 of Trump Trump's well, not before his administration. A lot 2000 01:30:57.000 --> 01:30:59.479 of people that were around Trump campaigned on this, the 2001 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:03.239 deep state in Hollywood, pedophiles, and then they had those binders. 2002 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.720 As you know, Jay Jack Bisobek was one of them. 2003 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:07.600 I called him out for this and Pam BONDI made 2004 01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:10.520 them all look like clowns. I agree. As you know, 2005 01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:12.399 there's still see we might agree on this one. There's 2006 01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:14.640 still three million well, let me just start with this foundation. 2007 01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:16.760 You agree with me that what happened to these kids 2008 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:19.039 is horrible, sure, and people should be held to account. Right, 2009 01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:21.079 but to this day the only two people, I think 2010 01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:24.800 there were a few more arrests right overseas, but Gislaine 2011 01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.840 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein are really the only two people 2012 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:30.520 in this country that have been held to account. Correct. 2013 01:31:30.520 --> 01:31:32.800 What does Donald Trump do well? The first thing he 2014 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:36.119 does is, says his former personal attorney Todd Blanche to 2015 01:31:36.279 --> 01:31:38.520 interview Maxwell. A couple of days later, she sent to 2016 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:41.680 a club med facility. Jeez, I wonder why she's still there, 2017 01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:43.880 by the way. And when she was asked, as you know, 2018 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:46.520 I think it was like a month or two ago, 2019 01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.439 she pled the fifth and she said she only answered 2020 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:51.159 the questions if Trump basically gives her a pardon. Trump 2021 01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:52.840 had nothing to say about that, and he hasn't ruled 2022 01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:55.039 out a pardon for her. Donald Trump is mentioned in 2023 01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:58.920 the files that we've already seen partially thousands of times. 2024 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:00.880 In fact, Donald Trump is mentioned more in the Epstein 2025 01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:04.399 falls than Jesus Christ is mentioned in the Bible. He 2026 01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:06.279 doesn't want us talking about it. Jay. He calls people 2027 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:08.079 like you and me stupid for even talking about the 2028 01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:11.520 Epstein fau even talking about it. I've been very consistent, 2029 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:13.000 whether you're a left or a righty, whether you're a 2030 01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:15.199 Democrat or a Republican, I want everyone held to account. 2031 01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.800 If you're in those files, release everything, redact the names 2032 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.960 of the victims. If Bill Clinton did some horrible things, fine, 2033 01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:26.239 Hillary Clinton testified, Bill Clinton testified. Why isn't Howard Lutnick testified. 2034 01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:28.560 This is a guy. This is a guy, as you 2035 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:30.720 know a month ago, who said he was never on 2036 01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:33.720 the Epstein island and then right of course, and then 2037 01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:35.800 he led about it. Trump doesn't want him to testify. 2038 01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.680 Why isn't Donald Trump testifying? If Hillary Clinton? You know 2039 01:32:38.760 --> 01:32:41.720 what the Republicans did, They set a precedent. Now Milania 2040 01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.760 should have to testify. She was closer to JESSELEYN. Maxwell 2041 01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:49.319 and Jeffrey Epstein than Hillary ever was. So do I 2042 01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:52.439 know for sure, one hundred percent if Donald Trump committed 2043 01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.560 any crimes in there, No, I don't. I know there 2044 01:32:54.560 --> 01:32:56.840 are accusations. But what I do know is that this 2045 01:32:56.960 --> 01:33:01.079 is a huge cover up, huge cover up. I want 2046 01:33:01.159 --> 01:33:04.920 people held to account. This is a huge cover up. 2047 01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:06.920 And then I do believe a portion of the war 2048 01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:09.439 and Iran a portion of it is a distraction. 2049 01:33:09.600 --> 01:33:12.399 I agree, So that's kind of like my Yeah, I 2050 01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:16.039 covered this pretty extensively on my channel. We live streamed, 2051 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:18.680 I think every day as these were beginning to sort 2052 01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:21.520 of drip out. We did about thirty hours of live stream. 2053 01:33:21.560 --> 01:33:23.279 People can go check all that out where we sort 2054 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:26.960 of archived everything. I thought that was pretty substantial that 2055 01:33:27.079 --> 01:33:30.239 came out. I do think absolutely that the rest of 2056 01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:32.520 the of the file should be released. There should be 2057 01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:36.800 total you know, they should redact everybody but victims absolutely 2058 01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.279 agree with all that. I do think it was a huge, 2059 01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:42.600 huge mistake to cover this up and to not allow 2060 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:45.520 not to push for this to be released when this 2061 01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:49.479 was a campaign promise. So I'm having a hard time 2062 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.720 to figuring it out where we could disagree on this one. 2063 01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:54.600 Totally agree, huge bleunder, as big as any of the 2064 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:55.720 other Trump blunders. 2065 01:33:57.039 --> 01:33:59.079 What would it take for you to regret your vote 2066 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:01.520 if something came out in the episte? To be honest 2067 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:05.479 with my vote was just kind of anti Yeah, you 2068 01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:07.239 could say that, what was it about Kamala? I know 2069 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:09.800 we're kind of because we're gonnae on the Epstein stuff. 2070 01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:11.920 We're not going to argue about that only because only 2071 01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:15.960 because I only because I agreed with what were the 2072 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:19.079 majority of Trump's campaign promises. Okay, I get that part. 2073 01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:21.399 Let's talk about Coamala from moment. I don't really is 2074 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:22.960 there anything about her like you just said, I just 2075 01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:26.199 can't vote for the because of what do you in 2076 01:34:26.319 --> 01:34:29.359 what sense? Like what do you mean she's a goober? 2077 01:34:30.279 --> 01:34:32.840 Just in that sense? I just I mean, I don't 2078 01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:37.359 take political seriously anyway, So, but there's there something about 2079 01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:38.720 her that said I can't, I can't vote for her, 2080 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:41.960 like what you wanted me to say, that she's a 2081 01:34:42.039 --> 01:34:47.079 brown person. Jay, That's not why I That's not why 2082 01:34:47.079 --> 01:34:49.920 I messing. I'm asking the question policies you didn't like 2083 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:54.600 obviously again the positions as I said that Trump campaigned upon, uh, 2084 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:58.279 you know, no new wars reigning in Uh. It was 2085 01:34:58.319 --> 01:35:01.560 more about his promises more than a I'm always an 2086 01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:05.319 issue person, but I definitely think that even if Donald 2087 01:35:05.319 --> 01:35:07.960 Trump went full Neocon, which I always had the suspicion 2088 01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:10.840 that he could turn neok on, I felt like that 2089 01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:13.960 it would still be a better bet than Kamala. But 2090 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.560 I don't even think that that. What I'm getting from 2091 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:18.720 you is it was more of Trump's promises that you 2092 01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:20.479 thought he would keep, which I don't. 2093 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:20.880 Know what it was. 2094 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:21.399 Like. 2095 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:23.159 If I'm going to have to choose between these two, 2096 01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:26.920 then I'm gonna at least agree with these campaign promises. 2097 01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.680 But I also don't believe politicians actually ever, even if 2098 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:32.039 they keep half of their promises. 2099 01:35:32.079 --> 01:35:34.680 That would be Jay Jay. He ran them basically on 2100 01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:37.800 two things. In twenty sixteen, he ran and We're going 2101 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:39.560 to build a wall in Mexico's going to pay for it. 2102 01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:43.800 Obviously that didn't happen. And every campaign stop he talked 2103 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:45.560 about locking up Hillary Clinton and he was going to 2104 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.119 hire a special prosecutor. So what would make you think 2105 01:35:48.159 --> 01:35:50.239 that he was going to keep his promises this time around? 2106 01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:55.319 Perhaps the potentiality that he had a lot of. 2107 01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:02.039 Ignorance and naivety about who he's staffed as his as 2108 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:04.319 his as his people. So there was a lot of 2109 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:06.199 neo cons a lot of people that betrayed him. And 2110 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:09.279 so my hope was that if he saw that Bolton 2111 01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.399 and these kinds of characters were sort of duplicitous, that 2112 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:16.239 he might actually take actions. To quote durin the swamp 2113 01:36:16.279 --> 01:36:18.920 and actually not have a bunch of lobbyists and you know, 2114 01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:20.079 pack type people. 2115 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:21.920 If they can remind it, let me finish it. 2116 01:36:22.079 --> 01:36:23.319 The last thing I would say is that also I 2117 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:26.119 think it had to do with he campaigned originally on 2118 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:28.960 not taking GOP money, and then I suspect that there 2119 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:31.199 was that he did take GOP money in twenty sixteen, 2120 01:36:31.239 --> 01:36:33.840 and that's why you had so many neo con appointments 2121 01:36:34.359 --> 01:36:39.079 to his staff. And then I had hoped that in 2122 01:36:39.159 --> 01:36:42.600 twenty twenty that he would learn from the first mistakes 2123 01:36:42.840 --> 01:36:44.840 and perhaps at least attempt to not. 2124 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:48.000 Based on his age and where he's from, he hasn't 2125 01:36:48.079 --> 01:36:49.680 learned from any of his mistakes. I would also say, 2126 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:50.800 unfortunately it seems that way. 2127 01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:50.880 Know. 2128 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:53.560 Yeah, Jared Kushner when he took two point one billion 2129 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:56.399 dollars from the Saudis, Donald Trump with his crypto scheme scandal, 2130 01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:59.800 I disagree with all those Yeah, eight times more wealth 2131 01:36:59.880 --> 01:37:01.640 now than he had when he first got into office. 2132 01:37:01.720 --> 01:37:04.079 I mean, I don't know, man, my whole take on 2133 01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:06.800 this whole thing. And like I said, we're not going 2134 01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.039 to disagree on the Epstein stuff. I'm glad we that's 2135 01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:10.720 a really important thing. I'm glad we agree on that 2136 01:37:12.119 --> 01:37:14.720 is that I went to Trump rallies and I was 2137 01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:18.640 criticized nationally for saying it felt like a clan rally. Now, 2138 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:20.760 that might be extreme language. I don't believe everybody that 2139 01:37:20.840 --> 01:37:22.840 goes to a Trump rallies racist. I don't believe everybody 2140 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:25.159 that goes to a Trump rally as a clansman. But 2141 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:28.039 in a way, the way you talk sometimes in a 2142 01:37:28.119 --> 01:37:32.279 joking fashion, right, ninety nine percent of the people were white. 2143 01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:35.840 I went to a Kamala rally and it felt like America. 2144 01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:39.600 It was very diverse. I saw Confederate flags at Trump rallies. 2145 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:44.359 I saw a lot of hatred. Fuck Joe and the 2146 01:37:44.399 --> 01:37:45.960 Hoe shirts. 2147 01:37:47.119 --> 01:37:47.720 It was just like. 2148 01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:52.079 Just a lot of hatred. Man. And I've never said, 2149 01:37:52.199 --> 01:37:54.359 and I've never grouped all Trump supporters as one. I 2150 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:56.239 wouldn't put you in one. I wouldn't. I've never done 2151 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:58.319 that ever, and I never will. But I will say this, 2152 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:03.239 I don't think, uh, everybody who voted for Donald Trump 2153 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:05.079 is a racist. But I do believe everybody who is 2154 01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:10.800 a racist voted for Donald Trump. I strongly believe that. 2155 01:38:11.520 --> 01:38:16.720 And I could go with policy. Listen, you haven't done 2156 01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:18.319 this but a lot of people in the right call Kamala. 2157 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:20.640 They've called her a whore, she slept her way to 2158 01:38:20.720 --> 01:38:22.479 the top. I haven't heard you say that. I'm not 2159 01:38:22.560 --> 01:38:25.319 accusing you. I didn't even remember that. I remember people saying, yeah, yeah, 2160 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:26.960 I'm not accusing you of that. I want to be clear. 2161 01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:29.159 But well, I'm trying to sleep my way at the top, 2162 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:31.039 so I could be hire for me to call out. 2163 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.600 That's funny. Actually, see you made me laugh. You're funny. 2164 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:35.960 But you know I hated that rhetoric. You know what 2165 01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:38.960 I mean. Here's a woman who she became the attorney 2166 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.319 general duly elected twice. Even if you disagree with their politics, 2167 01:38:41.359 --> 01:38:44.840 that's fine. Yeah, this is a woman who became a 2168 01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:48.399 senator and then a vice president. Uh wasn't wasn't my first, 2169 01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:50.359 second or third? Let me be very clear, how about this? 2170 01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:52.640 She's a woman? That's that would be an area where 2171 01:38:52.640 --> 01:38:55.279 I don't want her in politics? Why tell me why? Seriously, 2172 01:38:56.439 --> 01:38:58.319 you don't want women? Why tell me why? Oh, less 2173 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:01.279 women in politics, just like I would want less immigration. Well, 2174 01:39:01.359 --> 01:39:03.640 let's go. I don't think women are fitted for that. 2175 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:05.319 I don't think they're made for that. Why tell me 2176 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.319 what's why would you say women A woman can't be 2177 01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:09.560 a politician. I don't think they're made for that. What 2178 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.640 they can do? What are their characteristics that would lead 2179 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:12.359 you to believe. 2180 01:39:12.159 --> 01:39:15.319 That women tend to be more emotional, They tend to 2181 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:18.800 not make their decisions based on facts, reasoning, and logic. 2182 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:20.000 Typically doesn't mean that all. 2183 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:23.520 I don't know. That's funny married, because if you have 2184 01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:26.159 a wife, I'm laughing. Because the guy who you voted 2185 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:28.800 for has nicknames for people he disagrees with. You couldn't 2186 01:39:28.800 --> 01:39:31.079 find a more insecure emotional guys that have to do 2187 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.119 with the question of whether you don't I'll tell you what, 2188 01:39:34.319 --> 01:39:36.560 because you're making the case, which I disagree with, that 2189 01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:40.039 women are more emotional. Uh, when the man who is 2190 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:42.960 probably more emotional ten times more emotional, I would imagine 2191 01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:45.000 than most women that are in office right now, who 2192 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:47.159 has nicknames for people he disagrees with, he puts on 2193 01:39:47.279 --> 01:39:48.920 eight layers of orange makeup. When you have a. 2194 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:51.680 Comedy, I mean it comes to Trump's a comedian. So 2195 01:39:51.800 --> 01:39:53.359 the stuff you're talking about there, you. 2196 01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:55.960 Want a comedian to be president, A serious person who 2197 01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.520 happens to be serious person. So you don't think you 2198 01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:05.680 don't think Kama is a s Why do you say that? Again, 2199 01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.960 I don't think most politicians are serious people politicians in general. 2200 01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:11.840 He's got a law degree, she's a good mother. She's 2201 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.319 got to see politicians as like, well, what's the old 2202 01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:15.920 is that? 2203 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:16.680 You know? 2204 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.119 Politics is Hollywood for ugly? Okay, So you don't think 2205 01:40:19.199 --> 01:40:21.760 you don't think women should be an elected office? What 2206 01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:23.640 other jobs do you What other jobs do you do 2207 01:40:23.720 --> 01:40:27.199 you think are not front lines? What if they pass 2208 01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:29.359 a physical the same physical that a man passes, well, 2209 01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:31.640 none of them have passed the Navy Seal physical. I'm 2210 01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:34.079 not talking about Navy seals, just in general serving. You 2211 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:36.039 don't have to be just a pass. It would then 2212 01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:38.680 suggest that they're physically different. I believe that if a 2213 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:40.800 woman is able to and by the way, there are 2214 01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:43.720 some women that are that are able to pass the 2215 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.640 same physical standards that a man. Okay, so why would 2216 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.760 you have a problem with them because the exceptions don't 2217 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:50.520 make the norm? 2218 01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:52.359 I mean, I think that's kind of common sense that 2219 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:54.520 just because of our exceptions, we wouldn't want that to 2220 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:55.079 be the norm. 2221 01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:58.079 Why not the norm be just passed this one generic 2222 01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:02.279 uh test that all genders have to pass. Why wouldn't 2223 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:03.800 that be Why wouldn't that be a good norm? 2224 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:06.399 But the test and most women not passing that test 2225 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:08.560 would make my point that men and women are fitted 2226 01:41:08.600 --> 01:41:11.359 and made different, they have different. 2227 01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:13.800 It's a case by case basis as far as physical ability. 2228 01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:15.840 I think you would again, I agree that you know 2229 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.359 there have been for example, frontline soldiers typically have not 2230 01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:21.479 been women, and there's a reason for that. So you 2231 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:24.319 don't think women should be elected officials because they're quote 2232 01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:27.600 unquote emotional, They're too emotional not be the norm. You 2233 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.199 don't that women even if they pass the basic physical 2234 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:32.000 that a man has to pass, they shouldn't be able 2235 01:41:32.000 --> 01:41:34.199 to risk their license or the norm. I said, I 2236 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:37.319 know that you're not listening unless they the norm, But 2237 01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:41.600 why can't the Norman will be one basic standard physical 2238 01:41:41.720 --> 01:41:43.000 because that's not all that it is. 2239 01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:46.279 There's also a push, there's a social engineering push to 2240 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:50.000 get for example, all women in America to go to 2241 01:41:50.079 --> 01:41:51.600 college to become career women. 2242 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:53.439 I think that's a bad idea. I think women are 2243 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:55.800 made to be at home, So women are made to 2244 01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:57.319 be at home. A lot of people would call that 2245 01:41:57.359 --> 01:42:00.359 a massogynist statement. Women are made to be at home? 2246 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.520 Should women be allowed to vote? Again? I don't think voting. 2247 01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:06.840 I think voting is dumb, so okay, but but what 2248 01:42:06.960 --> 01:42:08.359 ought to be I didn't ask you what your opinion 2249 01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:10.000 on voting was. I'm just saying right now we're we 2250 01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:12.520 out of the do you think women should be allowed 2251 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:17.319 to vote? I don't think voting makes sense in general. 2252 01:42:17.560 --> 01:42:20.760 So you don't like you don't like voting? I don't 2253 01:42:20.800 --> 01:42:21.119 think women? 2254 01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:25.800 Answer, Women shouldn't be involved in politics or geopolitics or 2255 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:26.159 any of that. 2256 01:42:26.680 --> 01:42:28.680 What, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. So they're made 2257 01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:30.800 for being at home. They're just made for being at home. 2258 01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.159 So women shouldn't be out there in society in the 2259 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:35.319 office place. They shouldn't be able to have their own careers. 2260 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:37.359 They shouldn't be allowed to be teachers and dies. When 2261 01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:40.439 when you make that attempt to make that a norm 2262 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:46.159 for society, it undoes society. So without getting personal here, 2263 01:42:46.319 --> 01:42:48.479 and I don't mean to be personal, you're married. Well, 2264 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:50.000 I'm not trying to go there with you. That's why 2265 01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:53.159 I'm asking you. First. You're a married man, right, so 2266 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:56.000 you tell your wife. If your wife wants to have 2267 01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:59.000 a career, she wants a job. Maybe she wants to 2268 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:00.560 do what you do. She wants to be a podcast 2269 01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:02.039 or you would tell her, no, your your job is 2270 01:43:02.079 --> 01:43:04.119 to be We do that together, so we have a dynamic. 2271 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:06.000 If she said, that's great, I'm happy to hear that. 2272 01:43:06.079 --> 01:43:10.279 But if your wife said to you, for example, you know, Jay, 2273 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:11.920 I've been thinking I really want to be a teacher 2274 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:15.439 or a doctor, you would tell her no, typically careerism, no, 2275 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:17.279 it is not good for one. So women shouldn't have 2276 01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:17.920 the choice to. 2277 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:21.520 I also recognize that we live in a world that's 2278 01:43:21.600 --> 01:43:25.319 not that's not that way, So people are forced into situation. 2279 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:28.119 So I don't blame them for what they were taught, 2280 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:30.079 what they were indoctrinate with growing up. But I don't 2281 01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:32.239 think that that's the best way for women to live. 2282 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:35.359 No, but that's your opinion. Why not let that is 2283 01:43:35.439 --> 01:43:37.399 not my opinion. Why shouldn't a woman be able to 2284 01:43:37.479 --> 01:43:39.920 decide for herself what's good for you? Why should do 2285 01:43:40.399 --> 01:43:40.720 for them? 2286 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.439 They can do that in this society, and I think, 2287 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.159 but if you observe the negative effects of doing that. 2288 01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.439 My view is based on traditional Christian morals, so that's 2289 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:51.439 why that's the aught. 2290 01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:55.439 So Christian morals say that women shouldn't be allowed to 2291 01:43:55.520 --> 01:43:58.600 have careers. Generally, Jesus Christ would have said that women 2292 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:01.640 shouldn't be allowed to have careers, right proverb thirty one? Okay, 2293 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:05.840 well again, I'm unaware of Jesus's teachings of saying that 2294 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.159 women shouldn't be allowed to live their life. Jesus what 2295 01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:09.560 men tell? Did? St? Paul? 2296 01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.319 And Paul says that women are made to be a 2297 01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:15.399 subject to the husband and to have children and to 2298 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:15.920 be at home. 2299 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:18.039 So Jesus appointed politican, what if a woman doesn't want 2300 01:44:18.039 --> 01:44:20.760 to have a child, they don't want to have a child. Yeah, 2301 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:22.079 if they don't want to be a mother and they 2302 01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:23.680 just want to they want to be a career person. 2303 01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:25.920 Is that wrong? I mean, again, you have the ability 2304 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:28.680 to do that. But again I'm saying that I don't 2305 01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:30.279 think that. But in your world you don't think they 2306 01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:31.199 should have that ability. 2307 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:33.600 Well, I don't have the I don't think that we 2308 01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:37.279 have the ability to enforce some sort of like handmaiden's 2309 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:38.319 tales that you don't. 2310 01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:41.800 But in your world you would want women. But I 2311 01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:44.399 also believe not have careers. I believe in a degree 2312 01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:46.159 of freedom in society. What about all the women that 2313 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:51.680 are teachers, professors, very successful doctors, surgeons, brain surgeons. What 2314 01:44:51.760 --> 01:44:53.600 about all the women in this country? That is to 2315 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:55.520 do with what that's like saying that because people do 2316 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:58.520 things in the case that these women are not qualified 2317 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:01.439 because they're too emotional. I said that it shouldn't be 2318 01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.640 the norm. It shouldn't be the norm. Right, So, for example, I. 2319 01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:09.600 Know one woman who is extremely uh proficient in history, 2320 01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:13.319 she knows geopolitics very well. She's an outlier. So it's 2321 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:16.560 not the norm for that domain for women to be 2322 01:45:16.680 --> 01:45:19.479 in that. The fact that we have that in modernity 2323 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.520 and that it's common doesn't mean that it ought to 2324 01:45:22.600 --> 01:45:23.119 be the case. 2325 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:28.239 This is why I don't live my life based on religion. 2326 01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:30.760 I don't live but you live it based on subjective 2327 01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:34.279 I don't live my life based on what something is 2328 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:36.960 said in a book. I'm not a Bible thumper, but 2329 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:39.880 it's just based on what Brian says. No, it's you're 2330 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.399 just based on what Jesus Christ says. Well, that's a 2331 01:45:42.439 --> 01:45:44.960 better basis than just what Brian says. I would I would, 2332 01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:46.800 first of all, I would respectfully disagree with you with 2333 01:45:47.079 --> 01:45:50.199 Jesus that Jesus Christ doesn't wouldn't want any woman to 2334 01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:52.079 have a career and be forced to stay home. I 2335 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:54.000 think that's a misogynistic opinion in my. 2336 01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:55.840 Well, I mean, and you've given it a place in 2337 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.560 the Bible. Jesus implies that that's I don't live my life. 2338 01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:00.560 I don't live my life. But you said she wouldn't 2339 01:46:00.560 --> 01:46:03.039 say that. I'd like to think Jesus say that. So, 2340 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:07.960 so you're telling me in the Bible, Jesus, so women 2341 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:09.680 should stay at home and they shouldn't. You made the. 2342 01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:12.479 Argument that Jesus wouldn't say that. So I'm asking you where. Well, 2343 01:46:12.479 --> 01:46:14.520 I'm asking you where does it asking me when you 2344 01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:18.600 made the assertion, Well, tell me what's where? Where does 2345 01:46:18.640 --> 01:46:21.159 it say in Jesus he says to Timothy that women 2346 01:46:21.239 --> 01:46:23.960 should not be teachers and that they should not be 2347 01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:25.159 outside of the home. 2348 01:46:25.199 --> 01:46:27.319 They should be at home. Okay, So and if you 2349 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:29.920 would have to take a look at that. But you 2350 01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:32.359 said Jesus wouldn't say that, And I'm saying, but he 2351 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:35.680 does say that. Well, I'll tell you what I think 2352 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:37.720 about the Bible, and I'll tell you what I think 2353 01:46:37.720 --> 01:46:42.079 about religion in general. You can believe in the tooth fairy. 2354 01:46:42.680 --> 01:46:44.279 You don't know if there's heaven and hell. You have 2355 01:46:44.359 --> 01:46:46.840 no idea. If there's a god, you can believe it. 2356 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:48.680 I don't think there's anything wrong with you believing it. 2357 01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:51.119 I actually am not an atheist. I'd like to believe 2358 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:53.680 that there's something out there, a higher power, but we 2359 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:55.560 don't know. You know, you don't know if there's hell 2360 01:46:55.720 --> 01:46:58.039 or life after death. You don't know any more than 2361 01:46:58.079 --> 01:46:59.880 I know. And guess what, we won't know until we're dead. 2362 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:02.279 But what I don't like about religion is people that 2363 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.600 push their beliefs on other people. And I believe that's 2364 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:06.960 what you're doing. But you push your beliefs right now. No, 2365 01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:08.920 I want women to do whatever the hell they want 2366 01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:11.399 to do, but you're pushing that belief. Give me an example. 2367 01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:15.359 Are you give me an example of me pushing a 2368 01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.239 belief and forcing other people or treating it. 2369 01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:21.800 It does not equate the forcing people to do it 2370 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:23.520 because you've been arguing your positions the whole time. 2371 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:25.880 My whole position is I want people to live their 2372 01:47:26.000 --> 01:47:27.720 lives and I want people to do what they want. 2373 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.039 A position that you're pushing on people. I want people 2374 01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:32.359 to have the freedoms to have a career regardless of 2375 01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:34.600 what's between their legs. But I don't give a fuck 2376 01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:37.920 what's in the Bible. But you say, oh, I have 2377 01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:39.880 all these Muslim friends. They don't believe that. I'm going 2378 01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:41.880 to ask Sean a question. Okay, so you're not going 2379 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:43.640 to answer this? No, no, no, this is important. This 2380 01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:46.119 is important, Sean. I hate to bring you into this. 2381 01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.760 Is it ridiculous for somebody to think? Do you disagree 2382 01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:54.039 that what a man says that a woman should have 2383 01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:57.920 replaced not having a career but should be at home? 2384 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:02.239 Is that a misogynistic you? Am I wrong? And I 2385 01:48:02.279 --> 01:48:03.880 want to know what is I trust him. He is 2386 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.119 referencing a Bible verse, so I think he's approaching it 2387 01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:09.000 from that point. But would you say that's massogynists? And 2388 01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:11.159 a lot of people say that ethics are relative, So 2389 01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:14.359 another wrong with racism, more misogyny. You're telling an entire 2390 01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.880 group of people what to do, what you think they 2391 01:48:17.880 --> 01:48:19.680 should do, like you've done this whole debate where you 2392 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:22.000 said that every white man in America must accept your 2393 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:23.840 form of liberals. I never said that, and I'm not 2394 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:25.159 a liberal and I never said that. When did I 2395 01:48:25.199 --> 01:48:28.520 say you're a liberal you're a classical I'm a classical liberal. Okay, 2396 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:31.159 let's go with that. Uh. And we had this conversation before, 2397 01:48:31.399 --> 01:48:33.760 and this is what happens when we have these conversations. 2398 01:48:33.760 --> 01:48:35.880 But you've been arguing that the people in America should 2399 01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:37.800 accept your positions, So you're doing the same thing. 2400 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:40.920 You're I'm not asking you to accept any of my positions. 2401 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:45.600 I'm just disagreeing. Debates are about trying to convince people 2402 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:49.560 in your position. Teople, I know that I will never 2403 01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:52.479 convince somebody like you about anything. You are stuck in 2404 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:54.680 your views and your christianda, oh, fine, I'm bad, But 2405 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:58.319 what about I didn't say you were bad. I'm just 2406 01:48:58.359 --> 01:49:02.239 saying whatever. Let me be very clear, when I wake 2407 01:49:02.319 --> 01:49:03.800 up in the morning and I do my radio show, 2408 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:06.600 I'm never trying to convince anybody. What you're going to 2409 01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:09.680 get is my beliefs and my opinions. I don't show 2410 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:11.640 up somewhere and say, boy, you know, I saw that 2411 01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:13.760 Jay Dier guy, and he thinks all women should be 2412 01:49:13.800 --> 01:49:15.600 in the kitchen. So I'm going to show up to 2413 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:17.600 that debate and I'm going to try to convince him 2414 01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:21.159 that women should have their own careers. The audience. Okay, 2415 01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:24.800 I'm never I'm never going to convince you because this 2416 01:49:24.920 --> 01:49:27.800 is the way you believe the audience. Okay, well listen, 2417 01:49:28.239 --> 01:49:31.319 anybody who's watching this, chances are if they're a fan 2418 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:33.479 of yours, they're going to agree with you. If they're 2419 01:49:33.479 --> 01:49:34.920 a fan of mine, they're going to agree with me. 2420 01:49:35.239 --> 01:49:37.920 I'm not obsessed with audience. I'm not obsessed with changing 2421 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:40.560 people's minds because in most cases, I think a lot 2422 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:43.079 of people that are on the right, that are Trump supporters, 2423 01:49:43.159 --> 01:49:46.720 it is impossible to convince them virtually about anything. Occasionally 2424 01:49:46.760 --> 01:49:48.159 I get a caller who calls in and says, you 2425 01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:50.720 know what, Brian, I made a mistake. I regret voting 2426 01:49:50.720 --> 01:49:53.279 for Trump. It could be the Iran War, the Epstein falls, whatever. 2427 01:49:53.399 --> 01:49:56.119 But I'm not trying jay to convince anybody. That's why 2428 01:49:56.199 --> 01:49:59.560 we are fundamentally different. Well, on debate, I am trying 2429 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.880 to do that, well, debate to convince people. Okay, well 2430 01:50:01.880 --> 01:50:05.960 you haven't done that. Okay, Well again, when you make 2431 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.199 a statement that you believe all women, in your opinion, 2432 01:50:09.680 --> 01:50:12.960 should be in the kitchen, most people would them Okay, 2433 01:50:13.119 --> 01:50:15.920 most people would define that as extremely misogynistic. And let 2434 01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:18.560 me tell you something. I don't have a problem either, 2435 01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:21.439 do I. But I can tell you that if a 2436 01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:25.880 woman is capable and she's smart, then I have no 2437 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:27.880 problem with her being a politician. I think there are 2438 01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:29.920 people in DC that are women that are very good 2439 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:32.079 at what they do. I have no problem with them. 2440 01:50:32.159 --> 01:50:33.800 I think a lot of people like you didn't vote 2441 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.479 for Kamala because they're women, and I think that's wrong, 2442 01:50:36.640 --> 01:50:38.640 and I think that's wrong, and I think it should 2443 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.920 be about your intelligence and your merit and what you've 2444 01:50:41.920 --> 01:50:44.560 done in your life. And Hillary Clinton, listen, I didn't 2445 01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:46.800 even vote for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, but I'll 2446 01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:49.079 be the first one to admit she was overqualified for 2447 01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:51.880 the position based on what she's done in her life. 2448 01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:54.760 Donald Trump is a fucking reality TV show host. You 2449 01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:57.520 voted for a reality TV show host guy with no 2450 01:50:58.520 --> 01:51:00.720 experience on campaign policy. He was given a half a 2451 01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:03.840 billion dollar company from his dad when he was like 2452 01:51:03.880 --> 01:51:06.039 a teenager. This is a guy that was a TV 2453 01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:08.159 reality star. So if you want to talk about people 2454 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:09.960 that are not qualified, I would say maybe we shouldn't 2455 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:12.439 put reality TV stars as the leader of the free 2456 01:51:12.479 --> 01:51:14.720 world more than what's between their legs. Which it sounds 2457 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:16.880 like you're a little bit obsessed with I'm sorry it 2458 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:18.600 does sound that way. You would never vote for a woman, 2459 01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:21.039 It's clear, right, you would never vote for a woman ever, 2460 01:51:21.319 --> 01:51:24.520 right ever, because they're a woman. Mean, there could be 2461 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:28.439 some insinuating circumstances where there's a you know, lesser of 2462 01:51:28.479 --> 01:51:32.840 two evils, okay, good, Like for example, if there was 2463 01:51:32.880 --> 01:51:35.319 a woman running in a local election that I thought 2464 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:39.159 in my vote would have some effect on so you 2465 01:51:39.199 --> 01:51:40.399 would be okay with the woman being. 2466 01:51:40.880 --> 01:51:43.079 Brian, I said the whole time the norm, and you 2467 01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:45.840 wanted to make it like expansive universal claims. 2468 01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:47.439 It was just what well you made the case and 2469 01:51:47.520 --> 01:51:50.199 we could rewind the tape that women are not shouldn't 2470 01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:54.199 be programmed, women shouldn't be politicians. That's a generalization, but. 2471 01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:58.119 A generalization can include exceptions, which I said, for example, 2472 01:51:58.199 --> 01:52:00.520 because they're emotional. For example, the case of as a 2473 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:05.039 friend of mine, she's a PhD in history, feopolitics translates 2474 01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:08.840 foreign languages. I mean, she's an outlier in terms of 2475 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:12.039 a domain that's typically male dominated. I think there's a 2476 01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:15.079 reason why STEM courses and things like that are dominated 2477 01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:18.199 by men. Geo politics because that's the domain that men 2478 01:52:18.239 --> 01:52:21.800 are better fitted for. I think, in general, every human 2479 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:25.800 being is different. Some are more emotional than others. In general, 2480 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:28.720 doesn't matter what's between your legs and my opinion. Some 2481 01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:31.199 people are smarter than others, Some people are more capable 2482 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:33.239 of some people are stronger than There's plenty of women 2483 01:52:33.279 --> 01:52:34.840 that would kick my ass. And I said that to 2484 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:38.560 Myron Gaines, who was assas. Those are all exceptions, bro Okay, 2485 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:40.720 but you're making a generalization. You don't be any women 2486 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:43.359 should be politicians, but you're trying to make it they 2487 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:45.000 should be in the kitchen on the exceptions, and I'm 2488 01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:47.239 doing the opposite. Okay, but they're Every single human being 2489 01:52:47.319 --> 01:52:49.359 is different, and I don't speak for women, but some 2490 01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:52.399 women choose They're still generalizations. But some women don't want 2491 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:54.680 to have kids, some women don't want to be moms. 2492 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:56.079 Some women put their career. 2493 01:52:56.239 --> 01:52:58.760 None of those were relevant to what you asked me 2494 01:52:59.039 --> 01:53:03.359 was the best fit generally speaking. I mean, listen, going 2495 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:07.520 back to my original statements earlier, I don't like government 2496 01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:11.399 involvement in our lives. I don't. That's my biggest criticisms 2497 01:53:11.439 --> 01:53:14.199 of religion is that too many people tell other people, 2498 01:53:14.359 --> 01:53:16.800 I'm right and you're wrong. No, my religion is right 2499 01:53:17.079 --> 01:53:18.960 and your religion is wrong. But don't you think in 2500 01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:22.159 this debate you think you're right when it comes to 2501 01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:25.560 what religion? I think anybody positions. Okay, well, well let's 2502 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:27.800 talk about religion. I'm just saying, like, you don't believe 2503 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:29.760 that about yourself. What do you mean? 2504 01:53:30.640 --> 01:53:32.840 Don't you believe that all your positions are correct? You're 2505 01:53:32.840 --> 01:53:35.319 doing the very thing that when it comes to I believe. 2506 01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:37.399 Let me hear this way. I believe everybody is religious, 2507 01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:40.079 even you. You have a religious commitment to your positions. 2508 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:41.800 You just don't believe that it's a god. You're basically 2509 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:43.399 just your own god. And you're saying that all my 2510 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:45.640 positions are what I say, and that's my opinion, and. 2511 01:53:45.680 --> 01:53:48.319 I'm not forcing it down your throat. I'm not making law. 2512 01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:51.640 I don't. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm telling 2513 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:55.079 you my opinions of how I feel. You're telling you're 2514 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:57.239 telling half the I'm not trying to convince anybody. You're 2515 01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.800 telling No, I'm not so when you're coming to it, 2516 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:01.640 that you're coming to a debate and not to debate, 2517 01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:04.640 I'm okay, I'm coming to a debate or discussion to 2518 01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:07.720 tell you how I feel about different topics or just 2519 01:54:07.920 --> 01:54:09.640 how do you feel about It's a very feminine. Okay, 2520 01:54:09.720 --> 01:54:11.960 well that's fine, you can call me. I guess I 2521 01:54:12.000 --> 01:54:14.359 guess Jay thinks I'm in the kitchen. Then I guess 2522 01:54:14.399 --> 01:54:15.680 I'm not Jay. I got bad news for I'm not 2523 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:18.479 cooking you dinner tonight. But you're not gonna make a 2524 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:23.199 sund Everybody. Everybody is different, every human being is different, 2525 01:54:23.239 --> 01:54:27.439 everybody has different skills. Because you're making a generalization about 2526 01:54:27.479 --> 01:54:29.279 women how they should all be in the kitchen, and 2527 01:54:29.319 --> 01:54:33.159 I find that to be extremely misogynistic. Generalizations are not 2528 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.760 again on your wrong, it's on your basis women in 2529 01:54:35.800 --> 01:54:38.079 your life, and I'm just making if you tell them 2530 01:54:38.199 --> 01:54:39.960 I think you you all belong in the kitchen. What 2531 01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:42.680 would they say to you if you said that? How 2532 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:47.000 is that relevant too? Because because I'm curious, this is 2533 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:49.079 an emotional appeal again, Okay, but but I want to 2534 01:54:49.159 --> 01:54:52.880 know the people in your life, your mom or sister, whoever, 2535 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:56.039 when you say, hey, you guys shouldn't be mom. My 2536 01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:58.840 mom was an outlier. Actually she was a very qualified 2537 01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:02.760 editor assigned journals. I think that's great. I think that's great. 2538 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:05.279 So why can't other people like your mom? Well, I'm 2539 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:08.760 sure in this society they can, but that doesn't mean 2540 01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:11.479 that it's the best for society. So the question was 2541 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.520 what's the best for society, not can they actually physically 2542 01:55:14.600 --> 01:55:16.479 do it? So that's two different You think it's best 2543 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:19.039 for society to get all the brain surgeons and the 2544 01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:21.840 teachers and the politicians and every woman, say oh, I 2545 01:55:21.920 --> 01:55:23.000 said generalizations. 2546 01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:25.600 Typically, it's not the best for society for women to 2547 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:29.239 have what are classically male oriented positions and jobs. 2548 01:55:29.239 --> 01:55:31.199 Wouldn't that be a case by case basis based on 2549 01:55:31.279 --> 01:55:36.159 the person. No, if you're asking me about what's generally 2550 01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:39.800 better for society, what about the individual? Does that matter too? 2551 01:55:40.119 --> 01:55:42.319 What's best for the individual? Well? 2552 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:44.640 I have a Christian ethic and belief so I think 2553 01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:46.520 that that's the best for society and for individuals. 2554 01:55:46.520 --> 01:55:48.359 So I would assume you think that gay people are 2555 01:55:48.399 --> 01:55:52.359 all sinners, you're against gay marriage because of your religion. 2556 01:55:52.439 --> 01:55:55.079 I believe that those are actions, not a state of 2557 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:57.359 being or an identity. So you think everybody chooses to 2558 01:55:57.439 --> 01:56:01.239 be gay? You think Richard Simmons was born because I 2559 01:56:01.239 --> 01:56:04.479 think that's ridiculous. Are you saying he was gay? So 2560 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:07.279 there are many people when they're four or five, when 2561 01:56:07.319 --> 01:56:10.119 they're four or five years I actually had a conversation. 2562 01:56:10.840 --> 01:56:13.000 I actually had a conversation with George Santos about this 2563 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.039 the other day. We're actually friends, believe it or not, 2564 01:56:15.600 --> 01:56:17.079 and George told me he knew he was gay and 2565 01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:19.720 he was like four or five years old, and it's 2566 01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:21.520 not a choice. And I think a lot of people 2567 01:56:21.560 --> 01:56:24.159 who are because I talk to these people and they 2568 01:56:24.239 --> 01:56:27.560 tell me, and they're honestly, that's still that's not how 2569 01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:29.800 you would know that. So Richard Simmons was born straight. 2570 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:33.720 I'm just saying that, I'm saying that what you answered 2571 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:36.640 with would not prove the way that you know. Do 2572 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:37.960 you think being gay is a choice? 2573 01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:43.520 Yes, there can be a society apigenetics, So you think sometimes, 2574 01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:45.680 let me finish, there can be an epigenetic or a 2575 01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:49.640 societal factors that can influence people's proclivity. Sure, but I 2576 01:56:49.720 --> 01:56:52.399 think there's still a degree of human volition, and so 2577 01:56:52.479 --> 01:56:54.159 let's go with that logic for a second. You think 2578 01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:57.199 men in society who are once straight wake up one 2579 01:56:57.279 --> 01:56:58.960 day and say, hey, I think I like penis now 2580 01:56:59.520 --> 01:57:00.560 that's the way you think it works. 2581 01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:02.479 You think it's a choice like that. That's probably, in 2582 01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:06.840 most cases a continual progression of moving in a certain direction. 2583 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:11.239 I don't think it happens overnight. Again, I'm gonna strong men. Well, 2584 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:14.520 here's another one for you. I believe that sometimes in 2585 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:18.119 society people hide behind their religion to hide their bigotry. 2586 01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:21.279 And when people judge somebody based on sexuality or in 2587 01:57:21.319 --> 01:57:23.720 this case, what's between their legs, I believe it's a 2588 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:25.640 form of bigotry. And you say, well, this is what 2589 01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:27.960 my religion tells me. No, No, this is who you are. 2590 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:30.760 You decide to think that way. You decide to think 2591 01:57:30.800 --> 01:57:33.239 that if somebody is different than you, I assume you're straight. 2592 01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:35.680 If somebody is different, If somebody is different. 2593 01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:39.479 People don't What do you mean? I mean if I 2594 01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:42.600 just told you they're agnostic. Couldn't everything be conditioned? Then 2595 01:57:42.760 --> 01:57:45.239 there are people who are good conditioned to believe? There 2596 01:57:45.279 --> 01:57:47.239 are people who are Could I be conditioned to my religion? 2597 01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:49.920 Could you be? I don't. I don't know. I have 2598 01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:51.880 no idea. So why would I be held guilty or 2599 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:56.399 accountable on your Because when I talk to people about holmosexuality, 2600 01:57:56.439 --> 01:57:58.239 you don't even understand the argument I make. And if 2601 01:57:58.239 --> 01:58:01.640 it's people, and if my religion is genetic, then why 2602 01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:03.720 am I guilty and gays aren't? And you think religion 2603 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:07.039 is genetic, I'm saying, if that's the case in your view, 2604 01:58:07.399 --> 01:58:10.840 religion is genetic, religion is not understand that word I do. 2605 01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:13.720 Religion is a choice. Why can't I be conditioned to 2606 01:58:13.800 --> 01:58:16.920 my religion? Because sexuality is different than religion? You see 2607 01:58:16.960 --> 01:58:19.199 for example, why can't I be conditioned? You're an atheist, right, 2608 01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:22.319 You're an agnostic? Right? I believe that there's a higher poety. Okay, 2609 01:58:22.600 --> 01:58:24.119 but it goes back to what I said. 2610 01:58:24.680 --> 01:58:27.479 But if I'm raised in religion from my earliest days, 2611 01:58:27.600 --> 01:58:30.439 being taught about same, baptized as an infant, let's sam, 2612 01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:33.960 brought up in Sunday school from the age four, whatever, 2613 01:58:34.399 --> 01:58:36.479 why would I not be conditioned in the same way. 2614 01:58:37.439 --> 01:58:39.920 First of all, I believe that's wrong my worldview on that. 2615 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:43.680 That's not the question. Here's why. Here's why, because I 2616 01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:46.399 think most people who are gay would tell you. And 2617 01:58:46.520 --> 01:58:48.239 by the way, I am a straight man. I don't 2618 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.640 speak for gay people, but I think most people would 2619 01:58:50.640 --> 01:58:53.800 tell you. It's a little bit different the fact. Hold on, 2620 01:58:53.960 --> 01:58:57.119 it's a little bit different to switch a religion or say, 2621 01:58:57.159 --> 01:59:00.359 by the way, I know people in my life one 2622 01:59:00.399 --> 01:59:03.079 woman who is a pastor, she's now an OnlyFans model. 2623 01:59:03.239 --> 01:59:05.319 She's a great person. Of this is answering all question. 2624 01:59:05.479 --> 01:59:08.479 She made a choice to get out of that lifestyle 2625 01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:11.279 and that religion and go live her life. Okay, most 2626 01:59:11.319 --> 01:59:13.880 people who are gay would tell you it's not just 2627 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:17.199 a snap of the finger. If you're born I believe 2628 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:21.279 gay and you want to turn straight. So those choices 2629 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:25.079 are conditioned and they're not actual free will choices. Do 2630 01:59:25.159 --> 01:59:27.560 You're not believe in biology? You're not even letting me 2631 01:59:27.560 --> 01:59:29.880 finish it, because this is a killer for your argument 2632 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:32.520 and I never even noticed, as it's literally in this debate. 2633 01:59:32.840 --> 01:59:35.520 So you can be conditioned to believe or to have 2634 01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:38.399 those proclivities. But even though I go through the exact 2635 01:59:38.399 --> 01:59:41.680 same situation, I'm guilty for the choice that I made 2636 01:59:41.720 --> 01:59:44.279 for the religion, which is identical to the conditioning according 2637 01:59:44.319 --> 01:59:47.680 to you, No, well, I why is one of them 2638 01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:49.000 free will and the other one on I'm going to 2639 01:59:49.039 --> 01:59:51.439 be very clear again, here's where I think you're guilty of. 2640 01:59:51.680 --> 01:59:55.720 And this goes for any religion in anybody. When you judge, 2641 01:59:55.920 --> 01:59:59.239 somebody's wrong with judgment. I think it's wrong to judge. Well, 2642 01:59:59.279 --> 02:00:01.880 that's great, but you're are relevant. Okay, So when you 2643 02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:05.399 judge an entire group of people because they are different 2644 02:00:05.439 --> 02:00:07.359 than you because of what the way they look or 2645 02:00:07.399 --> 02:00:11.279 their sexuality, that is what bigotry is. What's wrong with 2646 02:00:11.359 --> 02:00:13.279 being a biggot? Oh, I think that makes you an 2647 02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:15.199 asshole if you're thinking, well, but I mean, those are 2648 02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:19.000 just your own prosper Well, you're right, biggots are great people. Argument. 2649 02:00:19.159 --> 02:00:22.319 I'm just saying, No, you're right, biggots are wonderful people. 2650 02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:25.960 I shouldn't judge. Biggest why philosophy is good because if 2651 02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:28.960 you learn philosophy, this is why religion is bad. Because 2652 02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:31.520 he's trying to defend religion. Never made a religious argument. 2653 02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:33.640 All I said was that when you judge, why is 2654 02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:36.079 it so hard for you admit my judgments are my 2655 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:38.680 conditioning that I'm not morally accountable on your world view? 2656 02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:41.439 Doesn't the Bible say not to judge if but if 2657 02:00:41.479 --> 02:00:43.920 your worldview is correct? Does the Bible say your world 2658 02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.960 view is correct? My choices are my conditioning, so I'm 2659 02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:49.479 not liable or accountable. Does the Bible say not to judge? 2660 02:00:50.279 --> 02:00:52.359 It says judge with righteous judge Yeah exactly, So you 2661 02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:54.960 think this is righteous taking all groups of people because 2662 02:00:54.960 --> 02:00:59.279 I have a consistent basis to judge actions, not the people. 2663 02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:02.359 I believe you. I believe God can judge people. I 2664 02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:05.560 don't know what God, whatever, God, you would How would 2665 02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:07.800 you know? Then? How would you know he judges people? Okay, 2666 02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:10.680 well it's a saying okay, but I will tell you 2667 02:01:11.199 --> 02:01:12.840 I don't even know if God exists. I don't know, 2668 02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:15.079 and you need to judges to you? How do you 2669 02:01:15.159 --> 02:01:17.479 know this audio? I made a statement, as you would say, 2670 02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:19.760 a joke. How do you know that nobody knows that 2671 02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:21.279 God exists? How do you know that we don't know 2672 02:01:21.359 --> 02:01:23.880 for sure? Nobody knows? Now it's a universal claim. How 2673 02:01:23.880 --> 02:01:25.399 do you know that no one knows? Who's your evidence 2674 02:01:25.439 --> 02:01:26.720 that God exists? How do you know that No, I 2675 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:28.840 didn't make a universal claim? You did. How do you 2676 02:01:28.880 --> 02:01:30.720 know that no one knows? There is no direct evidence 2677 02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:31.920 that there is a God. But how do you know 2678 02:01:32.039 --> 02:01:33.760 that no one? No one's presented it. So do you 2679 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:35.880 know what a universal claim is? Yes, nobody's presented it. 2680 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.520 What's a universal claim? Universal claim is what I just said, 2681 02:01:38.680 --> 02:01:41.520 which is what nobody has direct evidence that God is? 2682 02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:44.720 And what about all states, all people at all times 2683 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:47.920 a universal claim? Sure, do you have access to universal 2684 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:48.680 states of affairs? 2685 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:51.159 If you disagree with me, then tell me your evidence. 2686 02:01:51.239 --> 02:01:54.199 Do not have access to university affairs? Give me your 2687 02:01:54.239 --> 02:01:55.279 evidence that God exists? 2688 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:55.479 Do you? 2689 02:01:56.000 --> 02:02:00.560 You could make me so philosophical question or word games? 2690 02:02:00.600 --> 02:02:02.840 Even though you admitted that the non contradictions God exists, 2691 02:02:03.279 --> 02:02:05.399 your Christianity has got God exists? Right of course, where's 2692 02:02:05.399 --> 02:02:08.159 your evidence that the transit argument? Oh? I see, okay, 2693 02:02:08.279 --> 02:02:12.439 so so that's direct evidence. Uh yeah, it's a logical argument. 2694 02:02:12.680 --> 02:02:15.039 And hell and heaven exists, right, yes, yeah, where's your 2695 02:02:15.079 --> 02:02:17.640 evidence of that? Because it's part of the worldview? Got you? 2696 02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:20.359 So your worldview? You know for sure? And if I 2697 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:23.880 have the high okay, you can have the highest degree, 2698 02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:26.960 it doesn't make it true. But we don't know if 2699 02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:29.720 heaven or Hell exists. But you don't know. But you 2700 02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:31.840 for you to make that you I think is insane. 2701 02:02:31.920 --> 02:02:35.960 But you made the claim that you have universal knowledge 2702 02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:38.079 that no one knows that and you can't know that 2703 02:02:38.279 --> 02:02:40.520 either on your own position so you're going out on 2704 02:02:40.600 --> 02:02:42.199 the bounds of what you can e do on your world. 2705 02:02:42.319 --> 02:02:46.000 There is no more evidence that God exists. Keep saying that, 2706 02:02:46.319 --> 02:02:49.000 but sorry, you don't have the evidence. No, but I 2707 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:51.000 didn't make the claim that no one knows you did 2708 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:54.680 your entirely religion. Did you say no one knows your 2709 02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:56.960 entire life is based in region? I think it's a 2710 02:02:57.000 --> 02:02:59.439 fairy tale. Correctly, that's great, but you haven't given an 2711 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:01.960 argument for they have actually the fairy chill that you 2712 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:03.960 believe in, like free will I have? Actually you have? 2713 02:03:04.239 --> 02:03:08.079 How do you have the freedom to believe in what 2714 02:03:08.239 --> 02:03:10.600 you want to believe in. I'm not denying, but if 2715 02:03:10.640 --> 02:03:12.840 I go with Sam Harris or Daniel Dinnitt, maybe I'm 2716 02:03:12.920 --> 02:03:14.520 just conditioned to think I have free will and all 2717 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:17.600 choices are determinists. Again, you have how do you know 2718 02:03:17.680 --> 02:03:19.920 that free will exists? Okay, what do you mean you have? 2719 02:03:20.079 --> 02:03:22.000 How do you know that exists? Right? Because you believe 2720 02:03:22.039 --> 02:03:24.760 it metaphysical things that you can't justify you want me 2721 02:03:24.840 --> 02:03:27.439 to justify. Listen, there's a there's the problem with saying 2722 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:29.880 to a theist that you have to justify it. You 2723 02:03:30.079 --> 02:03:34.159 believe in logic, universals, things that you can't justify, like 2724 02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:36.399 free will. So, Jay, so you don't you're not going 2725 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:38.199 to answer that. I'm going to answer, do you believe 2726 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:39.479 in free will? I'm going to answer it the way 2727 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:43.399 I want to Okay, Okay, you have the freedom well 2728 02:03:43.479 --> 02:03:47.439 in your estimation, in anybody's that's it works. Okay, Well, 2729 02:03:47.439 --> 02:03:49.359 if you want to use fallacies, you can understand. I 2730 02:03:49.479 --> 02:03:51.439 understand how a debate. A debate works, j Just because 2731 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:53.000 you've been doing it for twenty five years doesn't mean 2732 02:03:53.039 --> 02:03:54.960 you have to be condescened. What's free will? I understand 2733 02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:56.560 that there's a lot of people on the left that 2734 02:03:56.640 --> 02:03:58.760 are very nice to you when you debate them, and 2735 02:03:58.840 --> 02:04:00.840 you're very condescending. That doesn't work with me, So you 2736 02:04:00.880 --> 02:04:03.159 don't have to do that. I've been very respectful to 2737 02:04:03.199 --> 02:04:06.279 you considering the circumstance. I'm just all and I'm asking 2738 02:04:06.319 --> 02:04:07.960 you to let me answer in the way I want 2739 02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:12.960 to answer it respectfully. You have the free will, I'll 2740 02:04:13.079 --> 02:04:15.760 use your terminology to believe in what you want to 2741 02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:19.520 believe in. You have the free will to believe in 2742 02:04:19.600 --> 02:04:24.479 your God, your religion. I usually don't get along very 2743 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:28.560 well with extremely religious people. I have almost nothing in 2744 02:04:28.680 --> 02:04:30.399 common with some of these people. I think it's a 2745 02:04:30.479 --> 02:04:35.039 mental illness. That's my opinion. Now, if you form and 2746 02:04:35.159 --> 02:04:37.600 live your life based on your religion, you have the 2747 02:04:37.800 --> 02:04:42.039 right to do that. But nobody knows if there's heaven 2748 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:45.520 or hell. You don't know that. You don't know. You're 2749 02:04:45.600 --> 02:04:47.359 making the case that there's a heaven or hell. I'm 2750 02:04:47.399 --> 02:04:49.960 not making that case. What I'm saying, Jesus there might 2751 02:04:50.039 --> 02:04:54.399 be Jay, I'm saying that there might be heaven or hell. 2752 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:57.279 I don't know. That's no no, no. You said no 2753 02:04:57.399 --> 02:05:00.319 one knows. Those are tis. I don't know. That's the 2754 02:05:00.359 --> 02:05:02.319 way I answer. You said, no one knows, and now 2755 02:05:02.359 --> 02:05:04.640 you're saying I don't know. Those are two different Nobody knows, 2756 02:05:05.439 --> 02:05:10.279 nobody knows. There might be heaven in Hell? 2757 02:05:11.279 --> 02:05:11.439 Is it? 2758 02:05:11.760 --> 02:05:13.880 I don't. I don't neither know. You is it I 2759 02:05:13.920 --> 02:05:17.520 don't know? Or nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody can provide 2760 02:05:17.560 --> 02:05:20.119 me direct evidence that heaven or hell exists. Nobody can. 2761 02:05:20.199 --> 02:05:22.560 In philosophy, those are two different claims. So which one 2762 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:26.079 is it? Nobody on the planet that's a human being, 2763 02:05:26.479 --> 02:05:29.880 how do you know that? Nobody? Nobody's presented direct evidence. 2764 02:05:29.920 --> 02:05:31.199 That's what that doesn't. That does. 2765 02:05:31.359 --> 02:05:33.000 That's not a proof that no one knows. That just 2766 02:05:33.039 --> 02:05:36.239 means that in your limited experience empirically, you've never verified that. 2767 02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:38.560 So you don't actually know. No one if you know 2768 02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:40.800 for sure that, So you're assertain things that you don't know. 2769 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:44.279 Somebody would have to present clear and present evidence. But 2770 02:05:44.399 --> 02:05:46.399 the fact that they have exists. But the fact that 2771 02:05:46.520 --> 02:05:48.600 they haven't done it yet doesn't mean that you know 2772 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:51.319 that no one knows. Then nobody has provided evidence, which 2773 02:05:51.399 --> 02:05:54.279 means nobody. So your argument is a bad argument because 2774 02:05:54.279 --> 02:05:58.199 you can't help me, help me understand them. You believe 2775 02:05:58.239 --> 02:06:01.079 that heaven and Hell exists. When you provide me I'm 2776 02:06:01.119 --> 02:06:03.720 waiting for you to give a good argumenty. I just didn't, 2777 02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:06.319 So I'm asking for right now, Jay, prove me wrong 2778 02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:08.880 right now. You're a Christian. You believe that heaven and 2779 02:06:08.920 --> 02:06:12.319 Hell exists. Give me direct evidence right now in your 2780 02:06:12.439 --> 02:06:14.479 belief that heaven and Hell exists. 2781 02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:17.920 Please, the argument is the impossibility of the contrary. Your 2782 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:21.119 worldview doesn't make sense of knowledge. That question wasn't about worldviewing. 2783 02:06:21.479 --> 02:06:24.000 Hold on, Jay, the argument is a world of the argument. 2784 02:06:24.479 --> 02:06:28.079 My question was argument is a world argument. My question 2785 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:30.399 wasn't about world views. I'll ask it again. 2786 02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:33.880 My argument is a worldview argument. So when you ask 2787 02:06:33.960 --> 02:06:37.720 me the questions from religion based on religion, so based 2788 02:06:37.760 --> 02:06:41.319 on your worldview, is that logic is based on religion. Okay, 2789 02:06:41.439 --> 02:06:43.680 so give me that logic. What is your evidence that 2790 02:06:43.720 --> 02:06:45.960 would lead you to believe from your world is a 2791 02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:49.560 logical argument called the transcendental argument. That is the argument. Okay, 2792 02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:51.840 it's just a belief. I believe in the t's a 2793 02:06:51.920 --> 02:06:55.079 logical My worldview tells me the tooth very exists, But 2794 02:06:55.159 --> 02:06:57.319 you don't have a basis word my religion tell my 2795 02:06:57.439 --> 02:07:00.680 religion tells my religion tells me that when I lose 2796 02:07:00.720 --> 02:07:03.239 a tooth, I'm going to get a hundred. If you 2797 02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:05.119 if you took a philosophy class, you would learn that 2798 02:07:05.279 --> 02:07:07.720 free will is a metaphysical position that a lot of 2799 02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:10.359 philosophers an atheists. I'm not saying an atheists, but people 2800 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:13.680 like Daniel Dinnet or Sam Harris, they don't believe in 2801 02:07:13.760 --> 02:07:16.319 free will. So I'm just trying to say that you're 2802 02:07:16.359 --> 02:07:19.319 asserting things like free will that you don't have a 2803 02:07:19.359 --> 02:07:22.119 basis for us. So hold on, be thirty seconds here. 2804 02:07:22.840 --> 02:07:25.399 You are making the case, in your opinion, based on 2805 02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:28.680 your lie, I did not opinion hold on worldview that 2806 02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:31.920 heaven and Hell exists. My opinion is I don't know. 2807 02:07:32.520 --> 02:07:35.000 But that's not what you said. Ok You said no 2808 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:37.279 one knows, which is not an opinion that's a universal No, 2809 02:07:37.439 --> 02:07:39.600 I knows for sure whether that's a universal client. Okay, 2810 02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:42.840 So tell me where you're getting this from your worldview. 2811 02:07:42.960 --> 02:07:45.119 Give me some evidence that heaven and Hell exists. The 2812 02:07:45.319 --> 02:07:50.159 evidence is the logical argument called the transcendental argument, which 2813 02:07:50.439 --> 02:07:53.640 there's not all. So evidence is not just like a 2814 02:07:53.760 --> 02:07:57.199 physical object. There are logical arguments that are non physical 2815 02:07:57.279 --> 02:07:59.520 but are also evidences. That's what you're missing in what 2816 02:07:59.560 --> 02:08:03.439 I'm arguing. So uh again again, I go back to 2817 02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:05.279 what I said earlier. And this is my issue with 2818 02:08:05.359 --> 02:08:10.239 religion in general. Every religion. You're a religious person, you're religious. 2819 02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:12.119 I never said I was a religious person. No, you're 2820 02:08:12.359 --> 02:08:15.279 rapidly religious about things like free will. What you have 2821 02:08:15.359 --> 02:08:18.000 no basis for. I'm not a religious person and I 2822 02:08:18.039 --> 02:08:19.680 don't believe in the tooth fairy, and I live my 2823 02:08:19.760 --> 02:08:22.840 life based on a religion. Free will is like free 2824 02:08:22.880 --> 02:08:24.560 will is this is the same thing as the tooth theory, 2825 02:08:24.920 --> 02:08:27.399 the to and the free will are the same. I 2826 02:08:27.520 --> 02:08:29.520 live my life based on the way I was raised, 2827 02:08:30.039 --> 02:08:31.920 the way my parents raised me, but none of that, 2828 02:08:32.000 --> 02:08:35.840 And I don't religion. I don't hide. I don't hide 2829 02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:38.319 behind a religion attacking all gay people, which I believe 2830 02:08:38.319 --> 02:08:41.520 that are attacking. Yeah, you're right, it's emotional, just judging 2831 02:08:41.720 --> 02:08:43.319 entire groups of people, which it says don't to do 2832 02:08:43.399 --> 02:08:47.560 in the Bible. You're judging all women are more emotional, 2833 02:08:48.079 --> 02:08:50.920 or gay people are sinners. No, these are judgments on 2834 02:08:51.359 --> 02:08:53.680 large groups of people. Your argument right now is an 2835 02:08:53.680 --> 02:09:00.279 emotional appeal, not the statements you are making judgments. Don't 2836 02:09:00.359 --> 02:09:02.279 like it. No, I just think you hide behind your 2837 02:09:02.319 --> 02:09:07.720 religion to defend your biginning. It's not I think. I 2838 02:09:07.800 --> 02:09:09.880 think people like fact that you think that I'm doing 2839 02:09:09.960 --> 02:09:13.600 something for bad motives. Yes, I do motive argument which 2840 02:09:13.640 --> 02:09:16.000 is not relevant to why when you judge an entire 2841 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:19.560 group of people, it's called bigotry and you don't like 2842 02:09:19.840 --> 02:09:22.239 so what in your view? There you go in? Your 2843 02:09:22.319 --> 02:09:25.640 words are all subjective. If it's in your view, it's 2844 02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:27.560 subject in your view. It's okay to be a bigot 2845 02:09:28.039 --> 02:09:30.920 in your view, it's okay to judge inconsistent in my view. No, 2846 02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:34.159 you're right, you're you're consistently a bigot. That's what you are. 2847 02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:37.520 Inconsistent in my view. For the used word games, your 2848 02:09:37.680 --> 02:09:41.920 position is inconsistent because you have very consistent You're very consistent. 2849 02:09:42.359 --> 02:09:46.079 I'll explain once again, No, I'm I'm extremely consistent. I 2850 02:09:46.199 --> 02:09:50.359 don't judge people based on sexual orientation. I don't hold on. 2851 02:09:50.600 --> 02:09:53.479 I don't judge people based on color of skin, sexual orientation, 2852 02:09:53.640 --> 02:09:56.239 or gender. I would never tell somebody that doesn't logic. 2853 02:09:56.720 --> 02:09:58.840 I would never tell somebody that doesn't look like me 2854 02:09:59.279 --> 02:10:02.159 that you belong in the kitchen. It's a big for 2855 02:10:02.319 --> 02:10:05.680 your position is what's inconsistent, Not the having a moral 2856 02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:09.760 compass and caring about all people. Yeah, not telling other 2857 02:10:09.800 --> 02:10:13.000 people what to do with their lives. Because you're a bigot. 2858 02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:17.119 You tell other people, You make assumptions about people because 2859 02:10:17.119 --> 02:10:18.640 they're not like you and they don't look like I 2860 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:21.439 know that you don't like. I understand that it's not 2861 02:10:21.600 --> 02:10:25.880 probably most people don't. Most don't like. It's a fallacy. 2862 02:10:27.079 --> 02:10:29.680 All women belong in the kitchen, All gay people are sinners, 2863 02:10:29.720 --> 02:10:32.000 they're all bad. Because it's my world view, I hide 2864 02:10:32.039 --> 02:10:34.359 behind my Christianity. I know that heaven and Hell are 2865 02:10:36.479 --> 02:10:40.520 I've given a very simple basis you judged on. I 2866 02:10:40.560 --> 02:10:42.439 don't care whether you think it's full. You're judging me. 2867 02:10:42.720 --> 02:10:45.760 You you're judging. You're judging me right now. I'm judging 2868 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:47.960 you right now. You have the right thing you judge, 2869 02:10:49.319 --> 02:10:51.520 you think you judge. That is wrong to be when 2870 02:10:51.560 --> 02:10:54.479 you judge a group of people based on their sex 2871 02:10:54.760 --> 02:10:58.359 orient No, I don't, because not all Christians think like you. Okay, 2872 02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:00.439 but what's wrong with being a biggot and judge people 2873 02:11:00.479 --> 02:11:01.920 to be a bigot when you don't have a basis 2874 02:11:01.960 --> 02:11:05.159 for your understand that therapy, You don't have a basis ethic. 2875 02:11:05.279 --> 02:11:08.840 It's subjective. That's the kills There is no kill shot here. 2876 02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:12.079 That's your ethics is admittedly subjective and relativists, and then 2877 02:11:12.119 --> 02:11:14.880 you make it universal. That's a contradiction. You are just 2878 02:11:15.039 --> 02:11:17.520 you did. You said, no one knows I'm painting all 2879 02:11:17.640 --> 02:11:20.039 Christians as this. I never said that. There are plenty 2880 02:11:20.039 --> 02:11:23.319 of that universally wrong to be racist and a bigot? Yeah, 2881 02:11:23.399 --> 02:11:27.640 I think so. Yeah, but your ethics is subjective and relative. 2882 02:11:27.800 --> 02:11:30.119 That's a contradiction. I don't think it's subjective at all. 2883 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:32.560 You already argue for the first hour its subjective. I 2884 02:11:32.640 --> 02:11:34.880 think I think it comes you argued that, well, you'll 2885 02:11:34.920 --> 02:11:37.279 disagree with this, but I think it comes down yourself. 2886 02:11:37.359 --> 02:11:40.039 I think no one, not you said you're making yourself. 2887 02:11:40.159 --> 02:11:42.760 I think you did. You not say your ethics was 2888 02:11:42.880 --> 02:11:46.239 in this, in this, in this, in this conversation, multiple times, 2889 02:11:46.840 --> 02:11:49.359 your ethics is not everybody thinks murder is bad, not 2890 02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:53.720 everybody thinks rape is bad. That's subjective to okay, thank you. 2891 02:11:53.880 --> 02:11:56.119 So it's objective. So if somebody says that it's not 2892 02:11:56.319 --> 02:11:58.800 universally if you said that it's not universally wrong to 2893 02:11:58.840 --> 02:12:01.359 be racist, big If you said to me, no, there 2894 02:12:01.399 --> 02:12:03.520 are people out there that think racism is okay, I 2895 02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:06.560 don't deny that. Okay, but universal doesn't mean are there 2896 02:12:06.600 --> 02:12:10.359 people who do otherwise? I said, this is I means stupid. 2897 02:12:10.439 --> 02:12:13.079 This is how stupid this argument is. If I said 2898 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:15.319 to you right now now, I think it's stupid. If 2899 02:12:15.359 --> 02:12:17.439 I said to you right we don't, I think it's 2900 02:12:17.479 --> 02:12:20.239 very stupid. If I said to you that racism have 2901 02:12:20.640 --> 02:12:23.039 a basis. If I said to you that rape rape 2902 02:12:23.159 --> 02:12:25.920 is bad, you have a basis. For why it's bad. 2903 02:12:25.960 --> 02:12:27.720 You don't. I don't have a basis to why, big, 2904 02:12:28.279 --> 02:12:31.199 consistent basis. No, have you seen slavery? You know what 2905 02:12:31.279 --> 02:12:33.600 that was? That bad? When people judged others based on 2906 02:12:33.640 --> 02:12:35.600 their skin color and owned humans. It's not relevant to 2907 02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:38.920 the ethics of well. First of all, I'm just giving 2908 02:12:38.960 --> 02:12:41.760 you a general term. You just saying things are bad 2909 02:12:42.239 --> 02:12:44.920 because these things happened, and that doesn't get you to 2910 02:12:44.960 --> 02:12:47.439 an ought. That's why philosophy matters. You need a better 2911 02:12:47.680 --> 02:12:50.279 argument or a basis for why something. So, you need 2912 02:12:50.319 --> 02:12:53.399 a better argument. But yet you're the guy who says 2913 02:12:54.159 --> 02:12:57.800 Trump won the twenty twenty election. You need a better argument. 2914 02:12:57.920 --> 02:13:01.840 Jay says, but yet all would be in the kitchen suspicion. 2915 02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:05.600 For me, it's just a suspicion. I just have a suspicion. 2916 02:13:05.720 --> 02:13:07.199 If you want to argue that your ethics is based 2917 02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:10.960 on suspicions, I'll use your stupid I'll use your stupid 2918 02:13:11.000 --> 02:13:12.680 defense and arguments, and I'll turn it right back on you. 2919 02:13:12.760 --> 02:13:14.600 But I don't have to have the same justification for 2920 02:13:14.680 --> 02:13:17.840 every position you're justifying. The religion you're justifying. All women 2921 02:13:19.000 --> 02:13:22.479 is a philosophy domain. Politics is something I don't really care. Again, 2922 02:13:22.880 --> 02:13:26.720 you're taking entire groups of people and all women and this, well, yeah, 2923 02:13:26.720 --> 02:13:28.800 I think it makes you there's nothing universe. I think 2924 02:13:28.800 --> 02:13:30.920 it's very wrong. That's great that you think that very 2925 02:13:31.239 --> 02:13:33.760 universally wrong. And also, by the way, I'm just conditioned 2926 02:13:33.800 --> 02:13:36.119 by determinism to believe it. So what's wrong with that? 2927 02:13:37.039 --> 02:13:39.399 I think you hide behind your religion to hide you. 2928 02:13:40.000 --> 02:13:42.840 I'm actually giving you atheist lines of argumentation, though you're 2929 02:13:42.840 --> 02:13:47.079 not an a saying that all women belong in the kitchen. 2930 02:13:47.520 --> 02:13:52.960 I'm talking about determinism and the idea that there's free will. 2931 02:13:53.159 --> 02:13:56.119 You believe in a metaphysical fiction that you can't justify 2932 02:13:56.319 --> 02:13:59.159 if your agnostic world is true, called free will? So 2933 02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:03.079 other and using your word games, would you agree that Danield, 2934 02:14:03.079 --> 02:14:05.119 Denna and Sam Harris believe that there's no free will? 2935 02:14:05.960 --> 02:14:07.600 I haven't talked to them, but they do believe. I 2936 02:14:07.640 --> 02:14:10.239 don't know that. I haven't talked to them. Many philologists, 2937 02:14:10.359 --> 02:14:12.239 many philosophers, do not believe in free will. They think 2938 02:14:12.239 --> 02:14:15.199 it's a metaphysical fiction. Fine, So it's like the too 2939 02:14:15.279 --> 02:14:18.479 many bigots don't think that when in the kitchen to theory. 2940 02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:20.479 So I want to know why should I believe in 2941 02:14:20.680 --> 02:14:22.760 free will but not God? In your view? You can 2942 02:14:22.840 --> 02:14:25.640 believe whatever you want in your view. In my view, 2943 02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:28.319 when you judge an entire I've said this like ten times. 2944 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:29.920 I was that an answer to the question I just asked. 2945 02:14:29.920 --> 02:14:32.000 You're not even listening to the question. I'm listening to you, 2946 02:14:32.199 --> 02:14:34.760 and I'm amazed free will is equated to the tooth 2947 02:14:34.800 --> 02:14:37.239 theory and most modern philosophy. Then I want to know 2948 02:14:37.359 --> 02:14:39.520 why is it free will any different than believing in God? 2949 02:14:39.560 --> 02:14:41.479 It's a metaphysical claim. You can I'm not. I'm not 2950 02:14:41.560 --> 02:14:43.640 making that argument. You can believe what you want to believe. 2951 02:14:43.680 --> 02:14:46.119 You argue that free will makes me liable to belie 2952 02:14:46.279 --> 02:14:49.279 and choosing religion versus gaze and not have a choice. Jay, 2953 02:14:49.359 --> 02:14:52.399 you made the argue. Here's my argument. You're not your religion. 2954 02:14:52.800 --> 02:14:56.399 Your argument as I am when you take your religion 2955 02:14:56.680 --> 02:15:01.039 and you treat people differently in you're not listening to me. 2956 02:15:01.600 --> 02:15:03.479 Why do you believe we can keep talking about free will? 2957 02:15:03.479 --> 02:15:07.880 You could listen to my questions for my religious dame. Jay, 2958 02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:11.119 just let me get this out. When you when you 2959 02:15:11.359 --> 02:15:16.079 use your religion and treat people in a negative fashion 2960 02:15:16.239 --> 02:15:19.439 because of it, Okay, it's bad for society. Now, in 2961 02:15:19.520 --> 02:15:22.319 this debate, you've talked about what you think is bad 2962 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:26.680 for society. Believe in two three things. I was making 2963 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:29.079 a joke about that. Now ridiculous are saying that it's 2964 02:15:29.880 --> 02:15:34.319 Totti monster. I don't understand what you're saying, Jay, But 2965 02:15:34.439 --> 02:15:37.600 in my society that I would, Jay, you can believe 2966 02:15:37.640 --> 02:15:39.640 whatever you want. Know why should I believe in your 2967 02:15:39.760 --> 02:15:41.720 worldview and free will? I think if you're a decent 2968 02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:44.600 human being, you probably should treat people with respect and dignity, 2969 02:15:44.680 --> 02:15:47.399 regardless of whether there's whether the ocation for free will. Okay, 2970 02:15:47.439 --> 02:15:50.239 I'm just telling you right now, I want, I want. Well, 2971 02:15:50.279 --> 02:15:53.079 I'm going to give you my justice. Okay, but that's fine, 2972 02:15:53.159 --> 02:15:56.800 that's not going to give you subjective in your opinion, 2973 02:15:56.840 --> 02:15:58.279 it's not a good argument. But a lot I think 2974 02:15:58.479 --> 02:16:00.560 in logic, if you make a subjective argument, it's not 2975 02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:03.000 a good argument. In your opinion, it's not a good art. Okay, okay, 2976 02:16:03.359 --> 02:16:06.520 But in your opinion that everything's opinion? Excuse me? Is 2977 02:16:06.560 --> 02:16:08.960 it your opinion that everything is an opinion? I don't 2978 02:16:08.960 --> 02:16:11.079 think everything is opinion. There's fact and there's fiction that 2979 02:16:11.159 --> 02:16:12.920 goes along with it. Like Trump didn't win the twenty 2980 02:16:13.119 --> 02:16:15.840 twenty election. That's a fact. That's not an opinion, Jay, 2981 02:16:16.000 --> 02:16:18.319 that's a fact. Trump did not win in twenty twenty. 2982 02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:19.600 So I think you're the one who can't spell the 2983 02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:22.039 word fact. With that being said, when you take an 2984 02:16:22.199 --> 02:16:24.039 entire yeah, yeah, I know you're shaking your head. It 2985 02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:27.119 makes sense. No, it actually makes a lot of sense. 2986 02:16:27.359 --> 02:16:29.920 The Earth is not flat, Jay, And Donald Trump did 2987 02:16:29.960 --> 02:16:32.479 not win the two thousand No, you were. You were 2988 02:16:32.600 --> 02:16:34.639 arguing that Trump Trump, but you think Trump won the 2989 02:16:34.680 --> 02:16:36.559 two thousand election. So if you're going to talk to 2990 02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:41.959 me about fact and total whatsoever, it's actually completely wrong. 2991 02:16:41.959 --> 02:16:44.280 I never argued anything about the physics of the Earth. 2992 02:16:44.360 --> 02:16:46.719 I asked you about free will, and you've had no answer. Yeah. 2993 02:16:46.760 --> 02:16:49.200 That is again you're you're missing the entire you believe 2994 02:16:49.239 --> 02:16:51.079 in fairy tale things. I'm just trying to figure out 2995 02:16:51.159 --> 02:16:54.479 why I believe. Why what do I believe that's very 2996 02:16:54.520 --> 02:16:56.879 free will? Tell me what you think free will is, Jay, I. 2997 02:16:56.920 --> 02:16:59.000 Believe that we're made in God's image and we have 2998 02:16:59.079 --> 02:17:02.040 the ability to choose to is freely morally good or 2999 02:17:02.159 --> 02:17:04.479 evil or this thing or that thing. 3000 02:17:04.520 --> 02:17:06.319 That's what free will is. Now I'm just trying to 3001 02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:08.600 figure out if you don't believe in fairy tale things 3002 02:17:08.719 --> 02:17:11.559 like God, why is free will any different than a 3003 02:17:11.639 --> 02:17:14.159 thing like God. I never said I don't believe in God. 3004 02:17:14.319 --> 02:17:16.280 What I said was but you said, I don't know 3005 02:17:16.280 --> 02:17:17.600 if there is I don't know what it is. I 3006 02:17:17.760 --> 02:17:19.719 don't know whether there's a God. But you said my 3007 02:17:19.879 --> 02:17:24.040 belief is what you said. What I never said, that 3008 02:17:24.319 --> 02:17:26.520 there's no God, But then you said my position was 3009 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:29.840 fairy tale. Well, what I'm saying is when you make 3010 02:17:30.000 --> 02:17:34.079 cases and you talk about homosuality and you know, listen 3011 02:17:34.159 --> 02:17:36.280 to me, when those are mutually exclusive claims, when you 3012 02:17:36.399 --> 02:17:41.559 make generalizations about people were digated positions, Well, I think 3013 02:17:41.559 --> 02:17:43.040 there's something wrong with Well that's great, but you haven't 3014 02:17:43.040 --> 02:17:46.120 given a moral basis for White's University. Wrong. Are we 3015 02:17:46.239 --> 02:17:48.639 not all created as equals? Or is that not? No, 3016 02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:51.120 we're not all created. I mean, am I equal to 3017 02:17:51.239 --> 02:17:53.920 Kobe Bryant when it comes to physical ability? That that's 3018 02:17:53.959 --> 02:17:56.600 athletic ability. That would have to do with creation of 3019 02:17:56.680 --> 02:17:58.559 my reld view. So okay, Well, I thought we were 3020 02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:02.319 all created as equals, but maybe law but not in 3021 02:18:02.399 --> 02:18:09.719 physical cysical abilities. Again, going back to what we said earlier. 3022 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:12.440 Let's wrap this up somewhere going to the final points. 3023 02:18:12.440 --> 02:18:17.079 Final points matter. It's just it's just going on. We 3024 02:18:17.840 --> 02:18:19.639 are going. We are going a little bit in sort of. 3025 02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:24.559 I would agree with closing off. Sure, I'm glad we 3026 02:18:24.680 --> 02:18:29.479 agree on the Epstein funnels. I think that's extremely important. Obviously, 3027 02:18:29.520 --> 02:18:31.760 I would never vote for the orange turret. I disagree 3028 02:18:31.799 --> 02:18:34.959 with you on you haven't give me really any reasons 3029 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:37.959 why other than you thought Donald Trump what he did, 3030 02:18:38.079 --> 02:18:39.799 what he what he said he was going to do here, here, 3031 02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:41.719 and here, and obviously he didn't do a lot of 3032 02:18:41.760 --> 02:18:44.639 those things, which clearly are frustrated on. You didn't really 3033 02:18:44.680 --> 02:18:46.920 give me many reasons other than Kamala Harris as a woman, 3034 02:18:46.959 --> 02:18:50.120 and clearly you don't want to vote for general Yeah, 3035 02:18:50.120 --> 02:18:52.079 I mean, you know, you know, you didn't really give 3036 02:18:52.079 --> 02:18:55.479 me any reasons for that. The reason why I'm not 3037 02:18:55.559 --> 02:18:59.520 an extremely religious person is because of this conversation today. 3038 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:06.680 I believe, especially in Christianity, people make judgments on other 3039 02:19:06.799 --> 02:19:12.000 people based on their religion because people don't look like them, 3040 02:19:12.239 --> 02:19:15.200 or they don't have the sexuality that they have, or 3041 02:19:15.559 --> 02:19:17.559 they're a woman. I also don't like the fact that 3042 02:19:17.639 --> 02:19:19.959 women and men are separated in synagogue. I don't like 3043 02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:23.000 that either. I don't like it in any religion. That's 3044 02:19:23.040 --> 02:19:25.760 why I'm not an extremely religious person. It comes down 3045 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.479 to me wanting to just treat people the same and 3046 02:19:28.559 --> 02:19:31.200 with respect, regardless of what religion they are. I don't 3047 02:19:31.280 --> 02:19:34.239 like to judge people, even if you're wearing a maga hat. Okay, 3048 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:36.959 I'm not going to immediately assume that you're a racist 3049 02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:41.879 or atrocious human being. And I think it's important in society. 3050 02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:45.159 If you want to talk about society falling, I'm less 3051 02:19:45.200 --> 02:19:48.239 concerned about immigrants in this country documented and not more 3052 02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:52.799 concerned about people that judge other people, or people that 3053 02:19:52.879 --> 02:19:54.920 are so upset. And I would assume you were one 3054 02:19:54.959 --> 02:19:56.840 of them that was so upset at what Don Lemon 3055 02:19:56.879 --> 02:19:59.719 did going into that church and disrupting a church service. Well. 3056 02:20:00.319 --> 02:20:03.840 I don't condone people protesting on private property. I think 3057 02:20:03.879 --> 02:20:06.639 that's wrong, it's against the law. But I find ice 3058 02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:10.040 agents murdering people in the streets a little bit more upsetting. 3059 02:20:10.559 --> 02:20:13.440 We need to have the separation between church and state, 3060 02:20:13.520 --> 02:20:16.040 which clearly we don't have in Washington, DC right now. 3061 02:20:16.280 --> 02:20:18.239 And I think the people that want the ten commandments 3062 02:20:18.280 --> 02:20:20.239 in classrooms are people that don't abide by the ten 3063 02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:26.079 commandments themselves. They break those commandments themselves, Hence the word hypocrite. 3064 02:20:26.440 --> 02:20:28.760 I did not come here to change your mind or 3065 02:20:28.799 --> 02:20:31.079 try to convince you on anything. I understand that's your 3066 02:20:31.120 --> 02:20:34.399 objective when you go to debates. I came here to 3067 02:20:34.840 --> 02:20:37.840 give you my opinions, my views on a number of 3068 02:20:37.879 --> 02:20:41.040 different issues. Some we agree on, obviously a lot we 3069 02:20:41.159 --> 02:20:47.520 disagree on. I think we've stopped listening to other people. 3070 02:20:47.639 --> 02:20:49.879 This is why I do enjoy doing these kinds of things. 3071 02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:53.159 But I think as a whole, we stop listening to 3072 02:20:53.200 --> 02:20:55.079 other people. People that look differently than you and me, 3073 02:20:55.200 --> 02:20:58.600 people that have different pathways in life, people that have 3074 02:20:59.159 --> 02:21:02.520 been brought up differently in different cultures, different backgrounds. I'd 3075 02:21:02.559 --> 02:21:04.120 like to think, as a whole, most human beings are 3076 02:21:04.159 --> 02:21:06.079 good people. And then when we have issues and bad 3077 02:21:06.159 --> 02:21:08.159 things that happen like nine to eleven and other issues, 3078 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:12.239 that the country comes together, even if it's only a week. 3079 02:21:14.680 --> 02:21:17.959 But this is what I do, and this is what 3080 02:21:18.319 --> 02:21:21.719 I preach, and I'm not trying to change people's opinions. 3081 02:21:22.280 --> 02:21:24.799 People can have their own opinions and judgments about this debate. 3082 02:21:25.520 --> 02:21:27.360 If you're a fan of Jay Dyer, they're going to 3083 02:21:27.399 --> 02:21:29.120 agree with you. If they're a fan of my show, 3084 02:21:29.120 --> 02:21:30.959 they're going to That's what. I don't really care about 3085 02:21:31.000 --> 02:21:36.239 that stuff. Other people do. It's just not me. I'm glad, 3086 02:21:36.319 --> 02:21:39.680 like I said in closing Land my Plan, Sorry, I'm 3087 02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:41.440 glad we agree on the Epstein files. I'm glad we 3088 02:21:41.520 --> 02:21:44.680 agree on some of the Trump stuff. That's refreshing. Obviously 3089 02:21:44.760 --> 02:21:46.840 we disagree a little bit on religion. But here's the difference. Like, 3090 02:21:46.840 --> 02:21:48.680 I would never tell you what to do. I would 3091 02:21:48.719 --> 02:21:50.719 never tell you what to believe. I would never tell 3092 02:21:50.760 --> 02:21:53.399 you that you can't think of something, even though I 3093 02:21:53.479 --> 02:21:55.319 might hate the way you think, even though I might 3094 02:21:55.440 --> 02:21:57.479 hate your opinions on certain things. I would never say, Jay, 3095 02:21:57.719 --> 02:21:59.639 you are not allowed to think like that, even though 3096 02:21:59.680 --> 02:22:01.200 I hate the fact that you think women should be 3097 02:22:01.200 --> 02:22:03.040 in the kitchen. I would say, you know what, we 3098 02:22:03.159 --> 02:22:05.239 have something called freedom of speech in this country. And 3099 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.840 if women you're you're clearly a married man, Clearly it's 3100 02:22:07.840 --> 02:22:09.879 working out well for you. I would assume, which which 3101 02:22:09.959 --> 02:22:12.399 is great. But you know, I would never tell you 3102 02:22:12.559 --> 02:22:15.079 that you can't think that way. I think that's fundamentally 3103 02:22:15.200 --> 02:22:20.479 very important. So anyway, thanks Jay for doing this discussion. 3104 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:22.319 There wasn't too torturous for you, and I don't think 3105 02:22:22.360 --> 02:22:24.719 you're a bad guy. It was a civil, lively discussion. 3106 02:22:24.959 --> 02:22:27.319 I enjoyed it. Go ahead, shut up. 3107 02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:29.399 I would just say, yeah, I appreciate Brian coming. It 3108 02:22:29.520 --> 02:22:32.399 was a great discussion. Thank you Sean for this opportunity. 3109 02:22:32.440 --> 02:22:35.319 It was good. Yeah, I feel like, uh, you know, 3110 02:22:35.559 --> 02:22:37.760 there was common ground with the Epstein stuff, with uh, 3111 02:22:37.840 --> 02:22:40.959 you know, criticisms of Trump's turn worn Iran. All that 3112 02:22:41.120 --> 02:22:44.399 was was good. I would just you know, again, stress 3113 02:22:44.479 --> 02:22:47.440 that when it comes to debate, My take on debate 3114 02:22:47.600 --> 02:22:49.959 is that it's more like a chess game, not in 3115 02:22:50.040 --> 02:22:52.079 the sense of it being frivolous or a game, but 3116 02:22:52.440 --> 02:22:54.959 that it has rules and it has boundaries. 3117 02:22:54.479 --> 02:22:57.840 And it has limitations that define it being chess and 3118 02:22:57.959 --> 02:23:00.440 not checkers or some other games. So when we come 3119 02:23:00.479 --> 02:23:02.600 to debate, we have to be able to abide by 3120 02:23:02.680 --> 02:23:04.639 the rules, and those are the laws of logic, which 3121 02:23:04.639 --> 02:23:07.520 are essentially the laws of critical thinking. The laws of 3122 02:23:07.600 --> 02:23:10.360 logic dictate debate, because that's how we know when somebody's 3123 02:23:10.399 --> 02:23:12.760 not playing chess anymore and they're doing something else, so 3124 02:23:13.000 --> 02:23:14.440 we have to play by the rules. I think that 3125 02:23:14.559 --> 02:23:16.319 Brian didn't play with the rules for the most of 3126 02:23:16.360 --> 02:23:18.799 the debate when it came to the issues of justifying 3127 02:23:18.840 --> 02:23:21.399 the morals, or when it came to the issues of say, 3128 02:23:21.760 --> 02:23:24.799 free will being a metaphysical claim, which again to me 3129 02:23:25.000 --> 02:23:27.600 is no different than the type of claim that God's 3130 02:23:27.639 --> 02:23:30.600 existence is. So that's when it gets into the domain 3131 02:23:30.600 --> 02:23:34.040 of philosophy. So again, I'm not used to political debates. 3132 02:23:34.120 --> 02:23:37.879 This is probably, I think, my first political politics debate. 3133 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:40.440 So I'm again glad for Brian Viers always, I think. 3134 02:23:40.479 --> 02:23:42.000 So I can't think of another one. I've done a 3135 02:23:42.040 --> 02:23:43.319 lot of you know, he's. 3136 02:23:43.280 --> 02:23:45.319 A lot of we've done Islam, atheism, but I don't 3137 02:23:45.319 --> 02:23:47.920 think I've debated politics until now. But could you do 3138 02:23:48.040 --> 02:23:52.680 me a favor, Alex I said, Hello, okay, anyway, Jay 3139 02:23:52.760 --> 02:23:53.000 diy Er. 3140 02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:54.399 You can find me on YouTube, you can find me 3141 02:23:54.520 --> 02:23:57.000 on Twitter, Instagram, all those check them. 3142 02:23:56.959 --> 02:23:58.879 Out, guys, we'll link everything below. Comment below who you 3143 02:23:58.920 --> 02:24:04.040 want to see next, y'all? Next time? Good job? How 3144 02:24:04.079 --> 02:24:05.719 long was that? Two hours? Two hours and a half. 3145 02:24:06.239 --> 02:24:07.040 That was my longest debate