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Speaker 1: Well life.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, got another debate for y'all today. We got

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Brian Shapiro, Jay Dher both have been on the show.

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Thanks for coming guys in person. Let's make this thing happen.

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So we're going to talk about Trump today. I ran

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and Alex Jones. I know Brian wanted to talk about

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Alex Jones, but absolutely you want to lead this thing

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off with Alex Brian.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, first of all, thanks for being here. Man,

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nice to meet you. I've seen I've seen some of

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your stuff on social media. I'll be honest with you.

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What we do is probably a little different. Right, as

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we were talking off the air, you debate, you've been

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doing this for like what twenty five years, right, long time.

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I've been doing radio for almost that long. But my

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show is more of like the last twenty four hours,

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you know, talking about news of the day and that

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sort of stuff. But all right, let's start. I wanted

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to start off by asking you about something because I

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know you're friends with Alex Jones, right, and I know

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this is probably something more. We'll get into it a

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little bit, but bull well, you know, I come from Connecticut.

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I was raised in Connecticut, and obviously where the Sandy

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Hook shooting was. And I say to myself, and I've listened,

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I've reviewed his ex wife. That's kind of irrelevant to

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this conversation that I've had private conversations with her, But

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I've also interviewed some of the parents who have lost

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their children, eight and nine year olds that were decapitated,

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and Alex Jones made their pain worse. And I thought

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what he did was reprehensible. And then he used the

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excuse of psychosis, which I think is utter bullshit. He

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knew that that shooting happened. He's not a stupid guy,

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and he only lied about it on the air with

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his huge platform and said that they were actors, you

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know what he said. And he only did that for

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clicks and money. And you're making the pain of parents,

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like I said, some of them who I had to

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talk to an interview, and my heart goes out to them,

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and I'm sure yours does as well. And he called

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them actors, and he made their pain worse. And I

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find only a reprehensible, despicable human being would do what

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Alex Jones does. Now, he is a conspiracy theorist, and

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I understand he says a lot of batshit crazy stuff.

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But if you don't hurt somebody by doing that, then

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I don't have a problem with it. You could think

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nine eleven was an inside job and you can find

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if you're not hurting anybody. But he hurt those people

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who are already grieving the loss of their children. And

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I'm wondering how you could be friends with somebody who

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does that. I just I don't It's unbelievable to me

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that he would even do something like that and then

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blame it on psychosis, Like, how could you square up

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and be friends with somebody like that? Because I don't

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know you. I don't know you, I've never hung out

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with you. I'm just asking, like, how how can you

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be friends with somebody who did that? And are you

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willing to call that out?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Alex himself has called that out. Alex

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has admitted that he made a huge mistake. I remember

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at the time when the trials were happening, one thing

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that I noticed in a lot of the you know,

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examinations and the prosecution questioning, was that there seemed to

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be quite a bit of laxity when it came to

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vetting the guests, and that was hammer Home with multiple

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people that produced the show, and the way that I'm

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sure you know, the way that media works, especially for

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high profile people, is that a lot of that is

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farmed out to people that work for you to vet

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the guests and whatnot. So I think there was some

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significant failures, mainly with vetting people like Wolfgang. How big

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people that ended up being I think probably con men,

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and Alex was lax in that. I think that was

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a huge mistake. I think that there is precedent not

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for what happened at Sandy Hook, but for the idea

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of government being involved in types of things like that,

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like the Operation Gladio for example. That's a publicly declassified

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Speaker 1: I get that, But the government, as you know, wasn't involved.

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understand which is why Alex would have had in his

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mind legitimacy, legitimacy to question certain topics.

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Speaker 1: So why would you question that? Though? Why would you

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question a school shooting hours after the children are killed?

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Speaker 3: Because if Operation Gladia includes public shootings at places, light

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malls or perhaps even schools, there's no reason why you

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't you question it if there was some sort

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of evidence to prove, like the twenty twenty election. I mean,

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But it's like when listen, if people have ideas or opinions,

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they're entitled to that. That's fine. But like I said,

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I'm not someone who's trying to censor free speech. But

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at the same time, when you say things that can

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hurt people, I know you're not a fan of Candace Owans.

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Neither of mine. Okay, we both would agree on that.

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it that I actually agree with. But to me, Alex

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Jones does what Candace Owens does, which is say things

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that you know are not true. You know are not true.

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Alex Jones knew that innocent children were murdered. He knew

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that those weren't actors. They're dead, and yet he went

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on the air and called them actors. Those family members,

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as you know, were threatened, they had threats to their life.

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those families were grieving. I have an issue not necessarily

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with conspiracy theorists, but conspiracy theorists like Candace Owns and

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like Calex Jones that say things knowing they're not true

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and knowing that they will hurt people. Alex Jones' comments

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at times, not just the Sandy Hook shooting, hurt people,

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and I find that only a despicable human being would

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profit off of something like that. I'm glad that he

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has to pay out that money. Like I said, I've

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had private conversations with his ex wife. I don't know

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what's true. I don't know what's not true. That's why

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I'm not going to share the conversations I had with her.

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But what I do know is I could never associate

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myself with somebody like that. Who it's good to have

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difference as of opinions. We probably have a lot of

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different opinions on a lot. I think that's great, that's

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what makes America great. But I think Alex Jones is

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a scumbag. And by the way I met Alex Jones,

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he is a different person off the camera. He doesn't

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have in my opinion, that persona or Hey, was that good?

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Was this good? I mean, I don't know. I don't

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think he's a good person. And I'm not saying guilty

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by association. I'm not trying to make a bad argument,

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but I just can't fathom or understand how anybody could

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hang out with a guy like that who literally made well,

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I'm just trying to understand how anybody, not just you,

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but anybody would would be okay associated and you host

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on the on that network, Like, I just don't understand. Well.

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Speaker 3: Again, so that'd be like saying anybody involved in media,

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who's involved with anybody that's made a mistake in media,

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Speaker 1: Think that's a mistake. You know what I think a

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mistake is. But how do you prove that it's not

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a mistake? Is locking your keys in your car? You

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mean to tell me that after this shooting happened where

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body bags were taken out of that school, that Alex

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Jones legitimately believed that those eight nine year olds were actors.

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That's bullshit. I don't believe that.

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Speaker 3: I think that Alex legitimately believed that there was a

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variety of options that you could have and.

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Speaker 1: He called them actors.

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Speaker 3: Jay understand that, but that's after having people on who

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were not probably Vetter like Wolf.

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Speaker 1: He has a lot of people on wars that have

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zero credibility.

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Speaker 3: I actually agree that everybody who does media, for the

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most part, I'm not talking about you. Everybody in media

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has people on because it's media. Media is kind of

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like you know, it's about.

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Speaker 1: But it's our responsibility to push back at those people.

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Speaker 3: I agree that, and I think that my main criticism

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about would have been and still has been, there should

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have been a better vetting of the sources of these

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so called events, because the main source at that time,

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because I was listening through that whole period, was Wolf

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kank Kalbek, who said, I've worked in government, I worked

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in education, I was there. I know that this was

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a fraud. I went investigated and all that was not true.

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So he did not properly about this. He blamed it

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on psychosis. There is no medical information to prove that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that could be. I mean his yeah, that could

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have been, didn't provide any medical information that he had psychosis.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I don't know Alex's legal teams.

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You know well that they use psychosis.

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Speaker 1: You know that. Come on again, I don't know what

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the legal team advice. They didn't show. Well, the legal

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team if they're going to say he suffered from psychosis.

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which clearly they didn't show it wasn't psychosis. And I

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guess this is maybe where we disagree. People like Alex

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Jones and Candae Owns and many others, Laura Lumer I

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could name you a lot. They say things knowing that

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it will hurt people, and they don't fucking care. They

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say things knowing that it will hurt people, knowing that

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it's probably not true. By the way, I don't buy

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the fact that Alex didn't think it was a real shooting.

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a stupid guy. He knew that there were innocent young

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children that died, and he called them actors now regardless

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of what all their stuff might have been going on

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in his mind. He made a lot of money off that.

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I don't think we should be allowed to say things

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like that with no justification, and it hurts people. Those

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families had death threats, They had death threats, Jay, and

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they hadn't even buried their kids yet, eight nine year olds.

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about this guy because I think he's a horrible human being,

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and I think his entire network is a fucking joke.

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It's a bunch of tinfoil hat morons who spread conspiracy

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theories about COVID, They spread conspiracy theories about the deep state,

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they spread conspiracy theories about the twenty twenty election, and

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the guy who runs the whole thing spread conspiracy theories

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about a shooting where a bunch of eight and nine

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Speaker 3: Could you name another crazy temple hat that the position

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that you think me or Alex or anybody has positive.

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Speaker 1: I can't speak to you because I'll be honest with you,

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and I don't mean this way like a whole network

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is all crazy. Well, I mean the regulars. I would

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assume you're a guest on there a lot, and sometimes

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I'm talking about the regulars who do shows, you know,

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five days a week. They spread conspiracy theories about me.

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Harrison talked about me. Didn't even and we talked about

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this off the air a couple of minutes ago. Didn't

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even know my position on vaccines, and I don't want

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to get too deep into the vaccine stuff because you know,

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some platforms don't allow it. Didn't even know my position

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on the vaccines, and just assume that I want everyone

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to get ten boosters. They say things about people not

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doing their homework, not under even and by the way,

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I said I would go on their show. I was

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talking to somebody from their network. I said, listen, I

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will go on that show and I will defend my positions.

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Harrison didn't want me on. I call that a coward.

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If you're willing to talk shit about somebody, which is fine.

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I'm a big boy. I can handle it, but then

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you don't want that person to come on. I invite

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anybody on my show. Nick Fuentes can do my show

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if he wants to. I think he's an awful human being.

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It's not the criticism. He's no longer with us unfortunatelyfortunately

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whichever way you look at it. But I'm willing to

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have anybody on my show that I disagree with, even

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if they're despicable people. If Alex Jones wanted to do

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my show, I would probably be a little bit more

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heated with him than am you, because I'm not blaming

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you for the stuff that that Alex Jones said. Make it.

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What's another topic that you think of COVID spread COVID?

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I think he's spread lies about the vaccines. He sells

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his stupid pills on his website to make money that

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you if you had COVID, I would talk about nine

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to eleven a little bit more, because I know he's

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talked about nine to eleven a lot. What about nine eleven, Well,

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he thinks it was an inside john right right, Okay,

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Well we can get into that. We can get into that.

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So what's the crazy talks about the deep state all

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the time with no evidence to back up his claims

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about the deep state? What is the deep state?

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Speaker 3: Tell it's the breakaway national security apparatus in the background

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that has a tremendous amount of influence installed at the

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time of.

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Speaker 1: World War two, particularly from right now yah formulations. It's

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the same structure. Okay, so right now who is running

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the deep state?

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Speaker 3: CFR and Trilateral Commission of a huge amount of influence.

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Speaker 1: But there's over election through on my channel right now.

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Speaker 1: What you say. So I've heard Alex say that Barack

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Obama was really running the country when Joe Biden was president.

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There's no evidence to back that up. You meant to

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stay behind situation that Obama had set up. And he

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said the Obamas had gay relationships and that Barack Obama

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was gay. This is not a serious talk radio. You

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make jokes, you make you do sat there outsis satare

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all the time. Okay, Well, when I hear Alex Jones

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say that he believed, first of all, I don't think

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that's funny. That's ten year old humor. I don't think

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it's anything funny in saying a president is gay. I

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don't think that. I mean, unless we're ten years old.

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What about faking gay? You? I mean, okay, but you

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get what I'm saying, right, Well, you just laugh, So

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you do think it's first right, Well, here's the problem, right,

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Alex Jones has a huge platform, and I think it's

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important for people to choose their words wisely and to

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be responsible. We agree. I think that Alex Jones should

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not have done what he did when it came to

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the Sandy Hook shooting. It hurt people. Now, if you

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make a joke that doesn't hurt somebody, Okay, fine, if

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you have a conspiracy theory that doesn't necessarily hurt somebody,

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then that's one thing, right. But when you have the

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platform that Alex Jones has and you say things that

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are unproven, stuff that is just blatantly ridiculous. They said

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things about me that aren't true. I have a problem

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with that, and I don't think that network is a

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serious network. I don't think that is a serious news network.

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Give It's one thing. If you give Kanye West a platform, heck,

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I would interview Kanye West and ask him about his

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anti Semitism. But Alex Jones, he was praising Adolf Hitler,

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and Alex Jones is sitting there with his thumb up

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his ass. I watched that specifically disagree with him and

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said that he didn't believe Hitler was a good guy.

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hosted that next day, yeah talked about that. We did

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not agree with. Okay, It's one thing to say you

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don't agree with it, and I'm glad you did that,

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But if someone sitting next to me is praising Adolf Hitler,

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I would call them for what they are. You are

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an anti Semite, and you are a moron if you

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if you, if you praise a man who's responsible for

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murdering anybody, let alone millions of people, there's something wrong

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with you. And I would say that to Kanye. I

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wouldn't sit here and say, well, you know, Kanye, I

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really disagree with you on that. I saw that. I

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don't respect people who praise evil, murderous dictators. That's what

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Alex Jones did in that interview. Okay, he coddled Kanye. Well, well,

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he praised He praised Kanye West in some ways, and

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he was very sad. He coddled him, He coddled him.

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It was a fluffer interview. And I think we also

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have a responsibility to question people and to be tough

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on people that praise murderous dictators. Alex Jones did not

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do that. So on one side of the coin, Kanye West

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will sit there and praise Adolf Hitler and he'll say, well,

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I disagree with that. But on the other side of

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the coin, he'll just bash Democrats and left wingers and

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aoc an attacker for being a bartender. He's more tough

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on somebody like AOC than somebody like Kanye West, who

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praises Adolf Hitler and is a Jew hater. Make no

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mistake about it, Kanye is a jew hater, anti Semitic,

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piece of scum. I don't care whether he's mentally ill

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or not. And these gripers that go around, I just

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think they're really bad people. Right.

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Speaker 3: But so a lot of this debate so far has

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been about the character of people.

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Speaker 1: So and I'm not well believing that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but I mean, you just said at the beginning

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that you weren't interested in GOI by association, but.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand why you would be friends with

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some of the guy who I think has no more.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm illustrating is that nobody consistently can apply

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that in media, because I'm sure you have friends that

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you disagree with that you might find reprehensible that you've

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gone on shows that you don't I don't have you,

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so you don't have any I don't have any friends.

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Speaker 1: Here's Morgan you go on Here's Morgan show. Yeah, I

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don't hang out with Pierce Morgan. He's not one of

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my friends. I do his show. There's a difference. So

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I don't have any So I don't have so it

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is guilt. Well, you're friends with him, So about friends

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with that is guilt by association with you said, you're

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not trying to trying to understand why you would be,

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so you are doing guilt by association. I'm asking you,

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I'm asking a question, implying, implying that it's morally wrong.

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I mind understand how morally you could associate yourself and

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I'm trying to understand that as a friend, not just

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for doing a show.

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Speaker 3: The morals are, which are what like what's the beau?

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I don't think it's consistently apply.

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Speaker 1: I think people that associate themselves with people like Alice

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Jones are the same people that associate themselves with Donald Trump.

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I think it's I think it's the same. Well, the

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whole chorus has been guilt by social what you said

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at the beginning of your not going to do well, What

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I was hoping to do is try to get an

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explanation from you on how you could be friends with

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somebody like that. I find that in general, and I'm

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going to make a general statement now, people that are

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big fans of Alex Jones or friends of Alex Jones

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tend to also be big fans of Donald Trump, and

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they throw they're willing to push aside the Epstein stuff.

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They're willing to push aside his behaviors, the way he

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talks about women in gold Star families and POW's and

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the fact that he's named thousands of times in the

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Epstein Falls. I think the same kinds of people who

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support Donald Trump are gravitated towards Alex Jones. And yes,

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I'll say it again, I think Donald Trump and Alex

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Jones are similar. I think they're both horrible human beings.

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They're horrible human beings who probably only care about themselves.

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Speaker 3: And you know, but again, I think this is what

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usually ends up being something not worth debating. I'm not

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saying you can't bring interview, debate whatever you want, but

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the idea of only focusing on the morals or some

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individual in media or in politics, to me just seems absurd.

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that I'm sure that everybody has some moral flaw or

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some problem in their their ethos.

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Speaker 1: I would never deny that. I would never deny what

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you're saying. So then so then it's not consistently applied.

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So it would seem there are different levels of the levels.

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It seems like you're doing the very thing that you're

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saying shouldn't be done. No, so there are different levels

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of mistakes that are made. Whether you cheat on your

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wife for who determines that? Okay, well, I'm just giving

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you my opinions. There's no book on determining. I'm just

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telling you, Uh, simply put, if you're a person who

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intentionally lies about a school shooting when children are murdered

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to make money and clicks, you're a fucking disgusting human being.

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But how do you know a person's motives? Maybe you

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because Alex Jones does it all the time. He says things,

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he's over the top and he says things. How do

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you know the motives? So you think Alex Jones didn't

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have what do you think his motive saying?

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Speaker 3: I'm saying that when you debate and again, you can

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obey whatever you want. But my critique of this type

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of debate is that when you debate people's motives is

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something that you can never really explicitly prove.

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Speaker 1: Why does that Why did you think Alex Jones? Give

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me an educated guest, h Jay, if you can, why

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do you think Alex Jones said those things?

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Speaker 3: I believe that Alex has always, for the most part,

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been sincere. That's why he has been willing to change

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his mind at me he was wrong. For example, he

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recently admitted he was wrong that he thought Trump might

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reverse the course on a ramp.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about he admits that he was completely right.

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I do want to talk to you about that. Agree

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on that.

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Speaker 3: That's a recent admission that Alex said I was wrong

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about this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, So so let me ask you something about

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that because I disagree with you, respectfully. If Alex Jones

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wasn't sued, I think Alex Jones would have apologized. Well.

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Speaker 3: The Again, the lawsuit, as I said, highlighted the bad betting.

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If you look, for example, at the prosecute where they

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were ja I understand me question, let me finish anything.

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The when they were interrogating Owen, Schweyer and Owen was

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responsible for bringing on a couple people that not just Wolfgang,

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Speaker 1: It that was misinformation. So that was not properly about it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm saying that if you've got a network that

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has multiple people doing multiple cogs of the operation, you can't.

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I understand that the head of the operation is going

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to receive the brunt of the criticism, but it's not

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like Alex was just doing all of this without sincere investigation.

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Speaker 1: I believe he's sincere okay. So that's where we disagree.

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And I would go as far as to say this,

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I believe that if Alex Jones wasn't sued and he

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didn't have to face consequences for his first things, he

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would never have apologized or retracted anything, because he never

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has in the past to my knowledge, for anything else.

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The reason why he apologized and says I shouldn't have

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said that, which, by the way, he said in a courtroom,

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and then he said it was a kangaroo court, and

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he attacked the judge and he attacked the prosecutors instead

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of just being a man and saying, you know what,

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I really fucked up. I really shouldn't have said that stuff.

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What happened to those families was awful. Instead, he does

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what Donald Trump does. It's a kangaroo court. I didn't

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do anything wrong, So no, I disagree with you, Jay.

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I don't think Alex Jones would have ever retracted what

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he said, and I don't think Alex Jones would have

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ever apologized if, in fact, he was never facing a

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civil lawsuit, which he lost. That's my personal opinions. We

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can move on to a rock because it's way to

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prove it. We can do that. Well, that's just my

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personal opinion. Obviously, there's no way to one hundred percent

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proven other than the fact that to my knowledge, I

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don't think Alex has ever apologized for anything else on

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the air in the past. The only thing I could

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ever recall that he's ever apologized for or retracted was

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the comments he made about the school shooting and those

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kids being acted. And he recently retracted his position on Iran.

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course correction, and he was wrong about that. He was

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wrong about the thing that was going around where Pam

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Bondy was saying that they were going to release the files.

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Speaker 1: He thought that that was as he has been open

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about criticism for the Epstein files because he's been talking

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about the Epstein files for years, and I think Donald

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Trump has made a lot of people like the Alex

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Jones that look really add because Donald Trump has protected

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pedophiles in my opinion, I know that. That's what I

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just said. Yeah, I'm happy I agree with you on that.

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He's angry. Well, he's he's upset at Donald Trump. It's

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not really that he was wrong about something. He he

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he's upset about what Pam Bondi said like two months ago. Well, yeah,

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he's criticized at times the Trump administration. He gives the

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apology that you want. Basically, it's not really the apology

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that I want. It's it's basically it wasn't really an apology.

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He just basically when it comes to the Epstein stuff,

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he's talked about how disappointed he was. He was wrong

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about Pam Bondi. He was wrong about Pam Bondy, and

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he thought Pam Bondi no.

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Speaker 3: He said specifically that the claim that they were going

472
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to release more of the files, that when Pam Bondi

473
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claimed this, he shared that and then a bunch of

474
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people on soldial media called him out.

475
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Speaker 1: He said, you know what, You're right, I was wrong,

476
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so he will Admitkay, well, I'm glad he did that.

477
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I was unaware of that, and I'm and I'm glad

478
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he did that, and we could we can end the

479
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Alex Jones conversation. But but in closing, I'll just say this,

480
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and and you know, it's not nothing that I've I've

481
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never said that's fair. Of course, I think Alex Jones

482
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is what's horrible with society. I think there are grifters,

483
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the Candace Owens types. I put Alex Jones in that category.

484
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I think he only says things as an act to

485
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get clicks and to make money. What he did was disgusting.

486
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And then the reason why this topic is so it

487
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should be personal to anybody, but it's even more personally

488
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because I grew up about twenty minutes away from Sandy

489
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Hook number one, number two. I've interviewed some of those

490
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families who have to wake up every day without seeing

491
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their kids. It's reprehensible and the fact that somebody like

492
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Alex Jones, and this is irrefutable, made their grief even worse.

493
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With what Alex Jones put those families through is reprehensible,

494
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and I think only a reprehensible and repugnant human being

495
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would do what Alex Jones did. I have zero respect

496
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for him. I don't care how many followers he has.

497
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I have no more respect for him than I do

498
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like a Candace Owens type, and I know we'll probably

499
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agree on gandis owns. There is a way to have

500
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differences of opinions, and there is a way to have

501
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a conversation without hurting people. And there are too many people,

502
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particularly in right wing media today, that do that. They

503
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make claims that hurt people. They lie, They attack undocumented

504
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immigrants in brown people every single day, making it seem

505
00:23:20,279 --> 00:23:22,960
like all these undocumented immigrants are going to rape your kids.

506
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They're wrong. They lied about the terrorist attack in New Orleans.

507
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They said it was undocumented immigrant. They said it was

508
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because of Joe Biden's open border policies. They lie. They

509
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lied in conspiracy theories about what happened to Paul Pelosi

510
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when Paul Pelosi was attacked with a hammer, and Alex

511
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Jones was one of those guys that spread the conspiracy

512
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theory that Paul Pelosi had some sort of gay relationship

513
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with the guy that almost killed him with a hammer.

514
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Did Alex Jones ever apologize for that when the police

515
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report came out? And Matt Gates when he was in

516
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office another repugnant piece of garbage, and Ted Cruz spread

517
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those conspiracy theories. These right wingers don't apologize. Usually. I'm

518
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glad that Alex Jones has done that, but there's a

519
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lot of people on the right that don't. They don't retract,

520
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:03,839
they don't apologize. When you get something wrong, why don't

521
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,519
you wait until the information comes out first before you

522
00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:08,359
you spread conspiracy? There is I'm not talking about you,

523
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,359
I'm just saying in general terms people on the right,

524
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and that's my one of my biggest criticisms is with

525
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the lower lumers of the world and so many others.

526
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It's all about clicks, Jay, It's about money and clicks.

527
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They don't care whether they get it right or not.

528
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They I'm generalizing. There's a lot of people on the

529
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right on X they want to be the first one

530
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to say it was an undocumented immigrant, it was a

531
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black person, it was this without knowing, and then when

532
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they get it wrong, they don't retract and they don't apologize.

533
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And I'm sorry if I'm going on a rant here,

534
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but on X when you look at when they're fact checked,

535
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what is that called on the bottom? Checking community notes? Yeah?

536
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,359
What is the point of a community note if somebody

537
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,680
is getting a community note like two hundred times. There

538
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are right wingers out there that have been community noted

539
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,640
two hundred times. They're not suspended, their accounts don't get

540
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,200
taken down. Why are we community noting people when they

541
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literally it happens to them every day. So anyway, I digress,

542
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Go ahead.

543
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Speaker 3: Yeah again, I think you know, so much of media

544
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ends up being a lott of low tier slop and

545
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debating about things that are not really that substantial, such

546
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as people's motives or intentionality, which is unless you have

547
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,559
you know, somebody's actual DMS or something like that, it's

548
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really difficult, I think, to know the motives, and so

549
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in philosophy and debate we don't typically focus on that.

550
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Understand that in media and in news it probably is

551
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the best. But I would assume that maybe you engage

552
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in debating about who's good and who's bad because that's

553
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the easy, low tier route to go to get attention,

554
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to get clicks.

555
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Speaker 1: I mean, aren't.

556
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Speaker 3: You think it's low tier to today what it is

557
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to debate people's motives because its call that homine.

558
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's low tier to talk about our

559
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president and his behavior about Alex.

560
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Speaker 3: Jones, right, you're saying as bad motives, and I'm saying

561
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that that that works in low tier political debate. But

562
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like if you get into a philosophical debate you debate

563
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people's motives, that's called that hominism because unless you have

564
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proof that there's some motives, you don't know people's motives

565
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other than to say that.

566
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Speaker 1: Well he's a bad person. Okay, that's so he's a

567
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bad person. What is that proof. I don't think it's

568
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low tier to criticize al Jones for what he did.

569
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But you said that you motives, and I'm just trying

570
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to figure out how you know that. Well, first of all,

571
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I think most people would say the reason why Alex

572
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Jones says these things is because he wants to That

573
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would be money and get more attention. The fact that

574
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most people think that really has nothing to do, Okay, well,

575
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,079
that's I think I would like to think that a

576
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,759
logical opinion would be that the reason why fallacies. Okay, well,

577
00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:26,400
if you think that Alex Jones does this stuff. I mean,

578
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,000
do you think appeal to masses is a fallacy? No,

579
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but I would say I would say, you don't think

580
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it's perhaps. But the point that I was trying to

581
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,240
get at is that just just Alex Jones says these things,

582
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,559
not because he needs to get this off his chest

583
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or he wants to be an inn. So you're just

584
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,039
saying what his motives are. Okay, Well, well what do

585
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,079
you think his motives are? Help me understand Alex Jones.

586
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,720
You're friends with them. I've listened to Alex in two

587
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thousand and three.

588
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I've noticed him consistently over the years reference

589
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many tax that we lecture through on my channel. So

590
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it's become a mainstep what I do is to kind

591
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of take all those books that he references over the

592
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years to to see if he's legit and if you're

593
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,240
saying the right things. And most of what he says,

594
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I would say ninety percent of what Alex has said

595
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:07,400
over the years has been accurate in terms of the

596
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,440
big geopolitical perspective. There are minutia areas where I would

597
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,599
disagree particularly with wh who he brought on during that

598
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,920
time period of Sandy Hook that was not properly vetted.

599
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: Uh.

600
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Speaker 3: But when it comes to the big geopolitical stuff, most

601
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:20,720
of the time I disagree. But there's been areas where

602
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:23,079
I disagree with Alex over Trump. So I don't have

603
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:24,880
a problem disagree with Alex. But I don't think that

604
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Alex is ultimately overall about person. I've met him, known him,

605
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:29,200
you know, personally, for many years.

606
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Speaker 1: So okay, I mean I based that on some other

607
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,359
things that I'm not going to talk about here on

608
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the show, but people that have known him very close,

609
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,200
closer than you even. But we can leave it at that.

610
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,960
I know this entire debate isn't isn't this movie, But

611
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,359
if you want to talk about Iron, I'm happy to

612
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,400
stave to Iran. Yeah, even though you both agree, maybe

613
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,279
there's some slight I won't be taking Alex Jones out

614
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,000
to dinner tonight. I guess I was trying to say,

615
00:27:49,079 --> 00:27:49,960
go ahead, shan.

616
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Speaker 2: Jay, you want to start off with Iran and how

617
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you feel about the US getting involved, how you feel

618
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,799
like Trump's done with that relationship.

619
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

620
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Speaker 3: So this is an issue that I've dealt with for

621
00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,559
many years. I've had a lot of debates publicly with

622
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,799
muslim for about eight years straight.

623
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Speaker 1: Some of them. We've debated most of the top Muslims.

624
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,799
I think maybe Junior the future of Muslim debate they're

625
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:06,079
going to do.

626
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: So I'm very familiar with like the background of you know,

627
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,960
Sunni versus Shia Islam. I'm decently educated on the history

628
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,640
of Iran, and I think the big issue with Iran

629
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,400
is that this is really just a repeat of nineteen

630
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,920
fifty three with the CIA Q where they took out

631
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,400
you know, Mozedic to put the SHAW in. Then you

632
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,920
had the SHAW failing, and you had Istola Kashani being

633
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,880
brought in with British intelligence and CIA assistance, all ultimately

634
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,519
for Anglo Iranian Oil Company which would become VP. So

635
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,039
I think that from the very beginning, this was a destabilization,

636
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,160
a regime change that was brought about for the purpose

637
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,599
of a big corporate interest in Iran. I think it's

638
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,519
really not that different today if we fast forward to

639
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,759
where we are now, it's a lot of repeat of

640
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:51,000
what we saw with Iraq, which was you know, false intel,

641
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,920
weapons of mass destruction, which is not true. Saddam was

642
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
brought into power by the CIA, trained by the stay

643
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,759
of that, he's given weapons of mass destruction, usually by

644
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:03,240
the CIA, to fight the Iran Iraq war. And then

645
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440
when we decided that he had to spoiled like spoiled milk,

646
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,240
then we didn't need a Sodomini Moore. And I've never

647
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,119
been pro war all the way back to nine to eleven.

648
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,799
I've been anti war pretty much because I think most

649
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:17,440
of the wars are fought for interest, not in the

650
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,200
best preview of American people. Their fought for corporate and

651
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,160
banking interest. For the most part. I'm not a past fist.

652
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,759
I believe in self defense. But so the same situation

653
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,680
with Iran, I think that we've seen the administration all

654
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the way back to Obama with the Green Revolution. They

655
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,079
were pushing for a kind of a more democratic any

656
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,079
D style Color revolution back in twenty nine, ten eleven.

657
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,480
But now what we have a situation where Trump has

658
00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:42,200
just greenlit under I think probably influence from BB Yahoo

659
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,599
to go for a full on just you know, you know, taking.

660
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Speaker 1: Them out and go back thirty years.

661
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,559
Speaker 3: They were playing the cliffs yesterday on Hodge Twins, where

662
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,400
BB is like saying a little two weeks away from

663
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,799
the nuclear Bob and then like every few years it's

664
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,200
the same two weeks and it's like, so it's like

665
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,279
two weeks to fly in the Iran was my joke

666
00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,160
on Twitter, not making jokes about Yeah, but I mean

667
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,680
the same situation where oh it's two week flatten the

668
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,480
curb and then it's going to turn into protracted war.

669
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Speaker 1: This is different than Syria.

670
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Speaker 3: Syria, it took fifteen years to take down a SAWD

671
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to install by CAA in Western support a very radical

672
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Sunni regime under Joulawi. That's something that was mentioned in

673
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,000
the Clean Break memo. It's something that goes back to Ed,

674
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,279
you know, on strategy. So I think that all of

675
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those are a disaster for the West and for America.

676
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,839
They basically only benefit the Greater Israel project. And I

677
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,559
disagree with all that.

678
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Speaker 1: It pays me to say I agree with a lot

679
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of what you just said. Not much of a debate there,

680
00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:38,920
but I will say this. When Donald Trump was running

681
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for office again, said he was going to be the

682
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peace president, the peace candidate.

683
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, You'll never have war again, nothing to worry about. Yeah,

684
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:48,319
probably the best that's true. He said that, and uh,

685
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:50,000
he said there were you know, he's going to be

686
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a known regime, new regime president and all that. Tulsi

687
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Gabbert testified ten months ago under Oh that there was

688
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no reasonablieve, based on our own intelligence, that they were

689
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furthering their nuclear capabilities.

690
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Speaker 1: We were told eight months ago obliviated, I believe is

691
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the word obliterated. I'm sorry, obliterated. I always get that

692
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,680
mixed up. Obliterated their nuclear capabilities. Then we heard it

693
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:11,799
was regime change. And then when they figured it out, well, wait,

694
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:13,279
we're gonna have to have boots on the ground if

695
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,640
there's regime change. Then they said, well, these civilians need

696
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to rise up. The hell does that mean? Then Marco Rubio,

697
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,920
in some terminology, was blaming Israel. And I agree, by

698
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,200
the way, with a lot of the stuff you said

699
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,359
about Benjamin and I am listen, I'm a Jewish guy.

700
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:32,279
It's not anti Semitic to be critical of the Israeli government.

701
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,839
I've maintained that position. I am very anti Israeli government.

702
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,359
I am very pro Israeli people. I think they're great people,

703
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but I'm anti Benjamin Uttaw who plays Donald Trump like

704
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,680
a fiddle. Then we were told by Marco Rubio that Israel,

705
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,400
you know forced our hand. Then we have this school

706
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,960
bombing and Donald Trump it was a tomahawk missile. Iran

707
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doesn't have tomahawk missiles. Everybody knows that, and he blames Iran.

708
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,079
Does he even know that they don't have tomahawk missiles.

709
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,400
It's this guy is such a madman, and he's such

710
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,319
an imbecile and Pete hegsett this. They don't take responsibility.

711
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,160
We're told this is the party of protecting children, and

712
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000
now we're told, well, this was about the Marines and

713
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,319
this was about attacking the ships. I agree with what

714
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,240
you said about Iraq. That was an ill advised war.

715
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,440
Thousands of American soldiers died, hundreds of thousands of innocent

716
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880
Iraqis died, trillions of dollars that were still paying off.

717
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,559
How is this any different? Are you disappointed you voted

718
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,920
for Trump. I know you're not defending this war, which

719
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,279
I appreciate. Are you disappointed in your vote? Kamala Harris

720
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,559
would not have start You could have your criticisms of

721
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,680
Kamala and that's fine, and we can get into that.

722
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:43,160
I'm not saying she was perfect. She would not have

723
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,880
started a war in iron I do not believe this

724
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,680
war would have happened.

725
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,759
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's similar to you know, a lot

726
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,799
of what Obama campaigned upon. We saw Obama campaigning as

727
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,640
a peace candidate back in the day. We saw him

728
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,039
then reversing with the drone strikes that he was involved in.

729
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,480
So I didn't have high hopes for politics to be

730
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,440
anything other than what the one it usually is.

731
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Speaker 1: I was involved in promoting Ron Paul back in two

732
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:06,720
thousand and seven and.

733
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Speaker 3: Eight ran Paul campaign, and I saw back then the

734
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,400
way that Ron Paul was sort of sidelined and kind

735
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,039
of kept out of the political discourse. And so my

736
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,279
vote for Trump was mainly based on a lot of

737
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:20,160
the policies that he supported, which are kind of older

738
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:22,759
nineties centrist Democrat type of America.

739
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:26,079
Speaker 1: First, sure, are you think as some of some of

740
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,880
these policies are America. I'm saying what he campaigned on, okay,

741
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,559
And I'm so many campaigns on a lot of things

742
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:32,039
that he lies about. We're going to build a wall

743
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:33,200
in Mexico's going to pay for it.

744
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,759
Speaker 3: I'm saying that I disagree with the main areas that

745
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,200
my main issues are that I can think of with Trump.

746
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: I think worksheet was a huge failure. I think that

747
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:42,119
was a mistake.

748
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Speaker 3: I think he did that probably at the behest of

749
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,440
a lot of pharmaceutical and corporate interests. That's my opinion

750
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:51,039
on that. I think that it was a mistake to

751
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,640
talk a lot about the Federal Reserve, but not really

752
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,200
to go after the federal reserve. I think that's a

753
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,559
huge problem for the country, for the economics, and then

754
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,880
also to promote the war for Israel's benefit. Really, that's

755
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,079
I mean, those are the main things off the top

756
00:34:06,079 --> 00:34:06,759
of my head that I can think of.

757
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: It. Those are big things. Well, I mean those are

758
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,639
my main those are my mains. It's pretty important things,

759
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:11,679
don't you. Again.

760
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,039
Speaker 3: I'm not a Trump apologist, but I'm an issues person.

761
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,320
What I'm saying is that since two thousand and seven,

762
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,519
I was really disaffected with mainline party politics.

763
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:22,679
Speaker 1: What about rolling out the red carpet for Vladimir Putin

764
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,440
in Alaska? What about no concessions? What about the fact

765
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,280
that Russia is giving intel to Iran right now? And

766
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,320
Trump they just don't seem to want to talk about that.

767
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:33,360
They've had pleasant conversations in the last week. Rolling out

768
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,000
the red carp He blamed Vladimir Zelenski called him a dictator,

769
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,599
and he blamed Ukraine for the war. Let me tell

770
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:42,639
you something, if Iran had invaded Israel, I might feel

771
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,559
a little differently about this war. Well, here's where we

772
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:46,960
disagree right now. I would be intol Ukraine for sure.

773
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:50,920
Who started the war in Ukraine? Uh, NATO, That's not true.

774
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 3: It is true Vladimir who invaded twelve NATO was provoking

775
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,559
Russia and they did not keep to the agreements during

776
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:00,320
the Cold War about not banding.

777
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: Who invaded Ukraine? Again? Who started violence vod Russia to invade? Okay,

778
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,639
I didn't ask you who provoked? Who invade? Who invaded Ukraine?

779
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:16,599
Russia devoked? Started the violence? Who put the the I

780
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,639
could provoke the biolabs. I could provoke somebody the biolabs.

781
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,559
I could provoke somebody politics. Okay, I can provoke somebody

782
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:27,920
to murder somebody. But I'm not asking you who provoked.

783
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,840
I'm asking you who committed put the bio labs all

784
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:36,280
around Russia as a offensive Probaly, nobody forced Vladimir Putin?

785
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,159
Who invade Ukraine? It is a forcing I disagree with you.

786
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 3: Well again that Ukraine is actually historically Russia anyway, and

787
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,800
it was only Ukraine after Lenin and after World War One.

788
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not even a real country. Ukraine didn't

789
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:50,199
start this war.

790
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,599
Speaker 3: It's a country that was created by the West and

791
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,000
by Communists to sever that center of power.

792
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand your history. I understand. But Ukraine

793
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,320
did not start the war. They did not start to disagree. Okay, Well,

794
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,400
I think that NATO and the West provoked the war,

795
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,440
so that then they could You think Zelenski is a

796
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,159
dictator in many ways, he acts like a dictator with

797
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,360
per and shuts it down. So Zelensky started the war

798
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,639
and he's a dictator. You agree with Donald Trump start

799
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,920
the war? Well, Donald Trump said that was he lying?

800
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,199
Speaker 3: Uh, he may be speaking about for for political reasons.

801
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,719
He didn't start the war. I think NATO started the

802
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:28,599
war again, don't you think.

803
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,079
Speaker 1: It's kind of important if you're the president of the

804
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:32,719
United States, do not lie about problem criticizing Trump.

805
00:36:33,079 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 3: But I will defend the fact that I don't think

806
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,679
that Russia started the NATO provoked the war.

807
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,599
Speaker 1: I can tell you this NATO expanded sense the Cold War. Well, no,

808
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,039
but I can tell you that, well, Hold on a second.

809
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,000
Let me just go back. They've been putting bases and

810
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,679
bio labs that that came out dependagon on medies. There's

811
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:50,519
biolabs in Ukraine, but that still doesn't defend It's not

812
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:55,000
a defense for Vladimir's Ukraine problem. Okay, So do you

813
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,800
think we let's say, people if they started coming into

814
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,800
your property and they were saying, oh, well, you don't

815
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
have a right to you know, react because you know

816
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,280
we're not actually causing you to react, We're just coming

817
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,320
on your property. So do you think it's appropriate for

818
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,159
an evil murderer's dictator, which is who Vladimir Putin is.

819
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:14,559
I would hope that we could at least, even though

820
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,079
we disagree on this, you would agree with me that

821
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,960
Vladimir Putin doesn't have a regard for human life. He

822
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,559
kills journalists in his own country that disagree with him.

823
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,039
If you talk about Vladimir Putin on the phone, there

824
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,519
have been instances where you're massacred, he kills. He's an

825
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,079
evil dictator. Can we at least agree on that? I mean,

826
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I don't.

827
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Speaker 3: I mean all heads of state operate in a similar way.

828
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,199
The US assassinates people all the time. So can you

829
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,840
tell me where the US assassination?

830
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time.

831
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,679
Speaker 3: Is the famous I'm familiar, famous journalist who was assassinated

832
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,239
in Germany. We're talking about the CIA infiltrating and using

833
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,320
German media for Western purposes. So whether or not Putin

834
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,559
himself had the journalist assassinated, I don't know, but I

835
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,920
wouldn't be surprised because a lot.

836
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,599
Speaker 1: Of journalists are actually also undercover as pies. If anybody

837
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,280
listened to my show for thirty if I was talking

838
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,039
about Vladimir Putin that way in Russia, I would be murdered.

839
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,400
In the United States of America, even though Donald Trump

840
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:08,559
is trying to take away our First Amendment rights to

841
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:10,639
criticize him, he does it all the time. He calls

842
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,639
people like me vermin and the enemy within. We still

843
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,719
have the right in this country to our First Amendment

844
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,079
to criticize politicians and the president. In Russia, you will

845
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,719
be murdered if you do that. That's what makes him

846
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,559
a dictator. That's part of what makes him a dictator.

847
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:27,679
And the point I was trying to make was was

848
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,039
that Donald Trump has right. And I'm not saying you're

849
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,719
a Trump apologist, but Donald Trump has rolled out the

850
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,719
red carpet for an evil dictator on American soil. To

851
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,519
this day, no Russian sanctions. In fact, they've blamed Ukraine.

852
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,719
Now I know, I guess we disagree on what's going

853
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,519
on in Ukraine. But Donald Trump's foreign policy is a joke.

854
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:49,480
The world is laughing at us right now when it

855
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,079
comes to tariffs, the one hundred and seventy five billion

856
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,079
dollars that he stole from the American people, and now

857
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:56,840
we were told we were going to get tariff checks

858
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,760
and now it's turned into well, you can sue us

859
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,679
if you'd like to. I can go policy by policy

860
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,440
with you. Ice. I agree that because I'm sure this

861
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,039
is a topic that you talk about a lot, which

862
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:10,440
is immigration. I am pro border security. I want people

863
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,599
to come to this country legally. However, I don't want

864
00:39:13,639 --> 00:39:15,599
people that have been in this country for decades, that

865
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,000
pay taxes, that have families here sent to an L

866
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,159
Salvador prison. That's happened. Not everybody was nonviolent, but the

867
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,639
majority of those people, I think it was over sixty

868
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:26,079
percent of the people that they sent to an El

869
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:29,280
Salvador prison were non violent criminals. I don't want people

870
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,199
murdered in the streets. What happened in Minneapolis is a travesty.

871
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,000
What happened to Renee Good and Alex Pretty is repugnant.

872
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,719
It's terrible. And then you had christinoam who is no

873
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,000
longer there now, who called them domestic terrorists hours after

874
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,800
these shootings without a full investigation, and by the way,

875
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,480
the evidence proves it. That's why they took that Boveno

876
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,920
asshole out of Minneapolis, and they took out two or

877
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,039
three thousand troops. Listen, violent criminals ninety percent of the country.

878
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,159
Democrats and Republicans agree if you're a violent criminal and

879
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:03,280
you're undocumented, deported, absolutely, I'm on board with that. But

880
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,599
I have a serious problem with a party that says,

881
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,039
come on into our country, just do it the right way,

882
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:09,719
do it legally. We don't care what the color of

883
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
your skin is. Which is the party that has made

884
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,440
it more difficult for people to become legal citizens. In

885
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:17,360
some cases it takes ten or fifteen years for people

886
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,119
to be naturalized. The Democrat party has tried to come

887
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:22,000
up with a way to make it easier for people

888
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,840
to get a pathway to citizenship, and meanwhile, Republicans make

889
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,559
it more difficult. Let's make it easier for people. I

890
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,480
want them to be vetted, but let's make it a

891
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,440
little bit easier for people to become citizens, and let's

892
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,440
give them some more incentives. And if you happen to

893
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:38,280
be undocumented and your nonviolent criminal, which I think is important,

894
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:40,360
then you have to pay a penalty. But let's come

895
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,480
up with something that works for the American people. I

896
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,239
don't think separating families and murdering people on the streets

897
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,039
is good policy, and that's what the Trump administration has done.

898
00:40:49,159 --> 00:40:51,639
I would actually just say we don't need immigration really

899
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:51,960
at all.

900
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: I think we have enough human resource and capital here

901
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,440
in the West in America that we don't actually need

902
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,199
the replace of the indigenous people.

903
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,039
Speaker 1: And that's kind of a war crime in my view.

904
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,079
This is a known strategy.

905
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,599
Speaker 3: You can read Kelly Greenhill's book, She's Like, she writes

906
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,719
for Cornell University. I think weapons of mass migration. So

907
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,039
this is a known geopolitical strategy technique to change the

908
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,320
people groups. Specifically with Europe, you have the Colergy plan.

909
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,159
I've read Kudnov Clergy It's real. His book Practical Idealism

910
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,599
discusses this explicitly that plan was adopted by the Royal

911
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:30,920
Society to change the demographics of the European Union, and

912
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,599
then we have the same situation I think in America

913
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,440
where you have the flooding of the country with all

914
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,639
kinds of third world people, to change the demographics, not

915
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,119
just for political reasons, but I think ultimately for long

916
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,639
term socialist international reasons.

917
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: So we can give a history lesson on immigration, and

918
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,239
we can talk about the past, but what I'm talking

919
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,679
about right now is the future and where this country

920
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,719
is at right now. Will you agree with me that

921
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,880
the shootings of Rene Good and Alex Pretty were horrible.

922
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,159
They weren't handled properly, and we had a woman in

923
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Chicago who was shot five times, almost died, and everybody

924
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:13,760
in Ice, including Donald Trump, Christy Noams, Stephen Miller, everybody,

925
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000
based on text messages, were praising this guy for shooting

926
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,000
this woman five times. They claimed that Ms. Martinez was

927
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,480
trying to impeding an investigation, and then all of a sudden,

928
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,519
when the body camera footage came out, it said the

929
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:27,480
total opposite and they were tracted the charges. Did anybody apologize?

930
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: No?

931
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,639
Speaker 1: Are those officers still out there? Yes, that's wrong. Can

932
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,559
we agree that that's wrong?

933
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:35,079
Speaker 3: I mean, and I don't doubt that in some of

934
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:38,199
these situations, you have absolutely horrible mistakes like that. I

935
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,960
would probably agree with that, But and I don't know

936
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,199
the specific of those cases because I'm more focused on

937
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,400
the bigger you'll pay you watch.

938
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Speaker 1: You're saying, oh, we don't need a history lesson.

939
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:48,199
Speaker 3: I actually do need a history lesson because if what

940
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,599
I'm talking about is true, then there's a longer, broader strategy.

941
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Speaker 1: You don't want immigrants in here at all, there's a

942
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long we don't need any more. No, so you want

943
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,800
to just close the borders for everybody? Yeah, sure, okay,

944
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,119
Well obviously I disagree with you one.

945
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's fine. But Uh, the the reason that

946
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,280
I'm saying that is because there is a real long

947
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,280
term socialist strategy to change the demographics of the entire West,

948
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and these documents point to that.

949
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,079
Speaker 1: It cell goes oct what does it matter to you

950
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,480
where where someone comes from?

951
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,039
Speaker 2: Uh?

952
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: What does it matter?

953
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: You know, the people's heritage and tradition makes sense. All

954
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,119
the people who come here, all the people that come

955
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,480
here certainly believe that what is it? What does it

956
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,599
matter where somebody was from. So long as the example,

957
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:29,920
as long as if they have Sunni ISLAMI believes it

958
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,679
matters quite a bit.

959
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:33,639
Speaker 1: Okay, But if they're not breaking the law and they're

960
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,079
decent people and their family people, why is it.

961
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 3: It's way more complex than that, because, for example, in Islam,

962
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,239
they have the idea and belief that you pretend to

963
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,000
be a minimal and affable to the society that you're

964
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:49,119
going into, and then over time, when you gain power,

965
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:50,679
then you overthrow them.

966
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: That's in the Quran. Okay, Well, so that's one example.

967
00:43:53,360 --> 00:44:01,280
Do you have any friends, to have any friends? No,

968
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,119
that's not what I know you. I didn't mean interact,

969
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:08,679
But do you do you? Interaction is one thing, but like,

970
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,519
do you do you spend time with people of Muslim? Okay,

971
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,960
so I have and I didn't. I didn't say you

972
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:21,039
didn't have friends. That I misspoke. That's fine. But I

973
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,119
can tell you that I know a lot of people

974
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,480
that are Muslim that live in this country, maybe a

975
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,920
couple dozen, and they're good people. They're nice people, they're

976
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,280
family people. Not every Muslim wants harm on America. Not

977
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,199
every Muslim it is a terrorist. But there are people

978
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,880
on the right that do. Laura Lumer thinks that all

979
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Muslims should be deported. She is despicable. She is a racist. Now,

980
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,360
I disagree with you on the fact that you don't

981
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,880
want any immigrants in this country at all. But I

982
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,760
will say this, every single time Donald Trump says make

983
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,320
America great again, it always meant to me, make America

984
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,239
white again. That's what I believe many in his base

985
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,400
beliefs would racist. Yes, yes, but you're saying race isn't wrong.

986
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,079
Absolutely it's wrong. And I'm saying his slogan, and a

987
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:08,960
lot of people that abide by his slogan want America

988
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,840
to be white. And and I and I I don't

989
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,960
know about you just said, what's wrong with the people

990
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,599
coming here? I don't see anything wrong with people from

991
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,280
what's wrong with them having their heritage and their tradition.

992
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,039
It depends specifically what you're talking about. But if they're

993
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,079
not breaking the law, then let them believe in what they're.

994
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: What's wrong with people who are white having their heritage

995
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,599
in their tradition, if they're not breaking the law.

996
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't have a problem with that either. But

997
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,480
what you're saying to me is you don't want any

998
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,920
immigrants country. Okay, but I think that's wrong. Does Japan

999
00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,480
have to take in third world people? First of all?

1000
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,159
That makes do they have to That's that's a different country.

1001
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,119
I'm talking about the United States. What makes is this

1002
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:48,639
a universal principle? No? I believe the United States, the

1003
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,400
United States of America was particular just to America. We

1004
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,519
live in the United States. So I'm going to speak

1005
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:55,519
on what I want here in the country applies to

1006
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,320
people in America, doesn't apply to our country. In a

1007
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,719
perse relative in a perfect world, it's arbitrary. In a

1008
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,599
perfect arbitrary, I'm answering you. In a perfect world, I

1009
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,800
would love the entire world to operate in a state

1010
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,800
of live where you want to live, have the religion

1011
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,599
that you want. And I don't want people to be

1012
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,679
judged based on religion ors sing j in a perfect world?

1013
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,280
Should they in a perfect world? I want want every

1014
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,519
You talk about this world, so should they in this world? Yeah?

1015
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:24,440
I think everybody of every country should take in immigrants.

1016
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:31,079
I think untold infinity as long as you're vetted properly. Well,

1017
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,320
I mean, I mean, listen, I come from a different cloth,

1018
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,880
I guess and in my personal opinion, I don't care

1019
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,960
what you look like. I don't care what the color

1020
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,079
of your skin is unless I don't care. No, you're

1021
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:44,400
not letting me finished. No, it has something to do

1022
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,119
with that I want. It's a double center. No, it's

1023
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:48,039
not a double standard. You're not hearing me out. I

1024
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,519
don't care where you're from. You could be white, you

1025
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,280
could be black. I don't care. You could be as

1026
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,119
one hundred percent white like me. I want everyone to

1027
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,840
have the same opportunities as long as you're vetted properly. Yes,

1028
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,880
I do want border secure. I want people to be vetted.

1029
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,239
But the difference, to the fundamental difference here is I

1030
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,239
don't care where you're from as long as you don't

1031
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,599
have bad intention. It's crazy you don't care about that.

1032
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,719
But that wasn't the question.

1033
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,159
Speaker 3: The questions about the ethics of an entire country taking

1034
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,440
in massive amounts of other third world migrants, that was

1035
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:15,880
the question.

1036
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: First of all, it's dependent upon are they coming in

1037
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,000
the right way. It's dependent upon are they properly vetted.

1038
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,719
It's dependent upon where are they going to go? Are

1039
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,440
they going to be able to provide something to the

1040
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,679
United States? Tools and skills that they have. That's part

1041
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,960
of the vetting process. So as long as you're doing

1042
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:34,440
that properly, and we don't have bad people, which I

1043
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,159
don't want. I don't want bad people coming here. I

1044
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,119
don't want people that want to do harm to America.

1045
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,039
I don't want rapists or child molesters, or quite frankly,

1046
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,320
people that you support like Donald Trump. I don't want

1047
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,280
people like that in this country. And if they're properly,

1048
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,960
I'm being serious that. I know it's funny, but I'm

1049
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,079
being serious. I don't want people like Donald Trump, your

1050
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,440
orange people like Donald Trump, who are thirty four count

1051
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,760
fellow liable sexual abusers, people that you support like Donald Trump,

1052
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,320
who's named thousands of times in the Epstein files. I mean,

1053
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,039
I don't want people like that in this country. I

1054
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,719
don't care what the color of their skin is, like you,

1055
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,159
I don't care where what country they're from. I don't

1056
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,920
want people in this country like Donald Trump. And I

1057
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,159
can give you multiple reasons why you voted for a

1058
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,480
thirty four count villain. You voted for a liable sexual abuser.

1059
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,079
Why are you so worried about people from other countries

1060
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,159
coming here? When the guy who you support the president

1061
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,320
of the United States is like a fallacy machine. No,

1062
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,000
it's not a fallacy machine, it's logic.

1063
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: Don't Well, you don't actually know what fallacies are because

1064
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,880
you demonstrated that earlier. You don't know what appealed to

1065
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,159
masses was I know.

1066
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,119
Speaker 1: I know what someone who is a threat to this

1067
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:33,360
country looks like, and I know what's someone who is

1068
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,360
not an immigrant.

1069
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: You think that massive amounts of people should be able

1070
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,880
to come into the country. So I don't think you

1071
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
actually have a good assessment of what threats are. I

1072
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,760
don't think you have a good assure your situation would

1073
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,199
allow for the complete disintegration.

1074
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you have a good assessment of what's

1075
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,639
good for this country and what's not. You want you

1076
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,519
you want our border. Your assessment was based on he

1077
00:48:48,599 --> 00:48:51,159
was purely subjective. What you want. You want our borders

1078
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:55,000
to be closed. You don't want any good for the country. Okay,

1079
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,639
so countries that have voting for Donald Trump, but voting

1080
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,639
tru is good for the country. That's good for the country.

1081
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,800
Give it what he can starting. Yeah, so yeah, but

1082
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,760
he's not doing that. He's who cares what this guy? Actually?

1083
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,559
Were you calling me out for voting for what he campaign.

1084
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:11,679
You want good people? Trying to associate me with a

1085
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,119
bad guy again, which, well, yeah, because you support him

1086
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:15,960
and you voted for him, you have no problem supporting

1087
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:19,760
up going with his policies already. What about his behavior?

1088
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,880
You want good people in this country, You don't want migrants.

1089
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,519
Politicians have crazy behavior. Right, gave me another politician that's

1090
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,639
ever been the president that's a thirty four count felon,

1091
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,159
that's a liable sexual abuser. Please give me one example.

1092
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,960
Jay Uh, Well, I don't know the number of because

1093
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,599
because you couldn't find that. Because you couldn't find that,

1094
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,920
I don't defend Bill Clinton. You can try the what about?

1095
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,360
I mean what about? You asked me how would that be?

1096
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,760
What about? To answer your question, it was Bill Clinton

1097
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,360
a thirty four count film. I didn't say he was.

1098
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,679
I said there is probably nobody with thirty four counts

1099
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,719
or whatever. Yeah, you voted for that guy. Well, you

1100
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,239
asked him that.

1101
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: Absurd question to give a specific person who has thirty

1102
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,280
four felons, which obviously there's not a person.

1103
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,519
Speaker 1: Well admit that with respect. I think it's a absurd

1104
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,559
when you say you want our borders closed and you

1105
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:08,199
don't want but it's coming here. Why because the other

1106
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,519
countries we founded, I'm telling you we were founded by immigrants.

1107
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:19,039
But about this found I'm giving you my full explanation.

1108
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:23,559
We were My my personal opinion is that I want

1109
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,559
it's the land of opportunity, and I believe that if

1110
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,000
you're vetted and you're you know, you're not a criminal,

1111
00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:34,039
we should give everybody the opportunities to succeed in this country.

1112
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,880
You go through the process of becoming a legal citizen.

1113
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,199
There are a ton of immigrants that have come to

1114
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,239
this country that have done so many great things for

1115
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,960
this What I was arguing, well, I mean, you just

1116
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,079
want the borders to be completely closed, which I think

1117
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,840
is absurd. Okay, I'm sorry. I just for the countries

1118
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,519
that do that seem to do I just disagree with you.

1119
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,639
I just I just think that And again, you might

1120
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,559
not like the comparison I'm making here, but I think

1121
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,280
it's important. You seem to have a concern and you

1122
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,880
think it's bad for the country to have immigrants coming

1123
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,840
here no infinity immigrant. Yeah, Well again, you know, I

1124
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,280
think maybe there needs to be something put in place.

1125
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,320
But you've made the case that you don't want immigrants

1126
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,880
here at all. You want to close the borders completely, right,

1127
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,119
it's not needed? Yeah, well, I mean there's a lot

1128
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:17,719
of things that you might think is not needed. But

1129
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,800
how does that affect you negatively if immigrants are coming up.

1130
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,559
I'm not arguing for what effects mean personally. I'm just

1131
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:24,800
for America country in general.

1132
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:29,199
Speaker 3: Countries that have homogeneous populations that keep to their traditions

1133
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,480
and their heritage seem to flourish and function better than

1134
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,039
those that are demographically changed. Hence why I was referring

1135
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,559
back to the older strategies of the War College and

1136
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,679
others that are written about how to do demographic replacement,

1137
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,159
which is a form of warfare.

1138
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you think immigrants, all undocumented immigrants that are in

1139
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,719
this country now should all be deported? Yes? So people

1140
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,480
that have lived in this country for decades that have

1141
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:51,760
children here. How about anchor babies? Do you think they

1142
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,360
should be deported as well? I would want the law

1143
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,199
to be changed on that. Yes, So you think that

1144
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,119
if you're a three or a four year old child

1145
00:51:58,159 --> 00:51:59,880
that was born in this country, they should be deported?

1146
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,280
Unfortunately you do? Okay, Well, I think that's extremely harsh,

1147
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,519
and I disagree with you. By the way, if you're

1148
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,840
seeking asylum from a country, you know, from Mexico for example,

1149
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,239
and you're going about it the right way and you

1150
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,119
filled out the right paperwork, it is illegal for the

1151
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:13,320
Trump administration to deport you. Do you understand that they're

1152
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,280
doing that right now? It is against the law. And

1153
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,800
there they are going against what our constitution says. It's

1154
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,119
happening right now as we speak. You have ICE agents

1155
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,840
outside of courtrooms when they have filled out the proper paperwork.

1156
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1157
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,639
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think these are your focusing on

1158
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,239
minutia of bad situations that happened the individuals in masses

1159
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,880
of tens of millions of people, when the overall net

1160
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,880
negative for the country is more important than the minutia.

1161
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,760
And you know, one person is a you know, a

1162
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,440
news story, but the statistics of millions of people get forgotten.

1163
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,000
So it's more important for the long term benefit of

1164
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,159
the country in general than to highlight as the left

1165
00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:46,719
off and does I'm not saying you're a leftist, but

1166
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,480
they highlight specific cases to do emotional peals and so

1167
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,679
like you've done in this debates, a lot of emotional PILs,

1168
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:53,400
which also fallacy.

1169
00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's emotional to say that the president

1170
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:58,719
is ripping up parts of the constitution and breaking the law.

1171
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,440
Those are breaking the laws emotions, Those are emotional appeals.

1172
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,719
Does it say that we all have What does it

1173
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,760
say in our constitutions say every citizen has the right

1174
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,039
to do process? Or or any every person? What does

1175
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,440
it say? Uh?

1176
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,039
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, I don't recall, but

1177
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,280
I kind of important. I would assume its citizens.

1178
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:17,599
Speaker 1: No, you're wrong. In our constitution it says any person

1179
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,960
has the right to do process. This is really fundamentally important. Okay,

1180
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:24,519
but they also didn't have the idea of infinity open borders.

1181
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,079
Okay at the time, again you use the term infinity,

1182
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,239
but you said you don't want any immigrants coming into

1183
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
the country, So that's different than infinity. My solution to

1184
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:34,719
infinity is the closing of the borders, Right, you want

1185
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,119
the borders closed and you don't want any immigrants coming in.

1186
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:38,400
And the point that I was trying to make is

1187
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,559
if you care about our constitution, which I hope you do.

1188
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,960
I do as well, it says in our Constitution our forefathers,

1189
00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:47,800
it says not any citizen has the right to do process.

1190
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,480
It says any person and as much as your person

1191
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,519
also can be a lawbreaker and people that are here

1192
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,239
absolutely absolutely, but that doesn't mean they don't have the

1193
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,079
right to do process.

1194
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: That's what it says in our constitution. Well, yeah, I

1195
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,239
wouldn't have a problem trying to that and do uh

1196
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:01,159
do process.

1197
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,679
Speaker 1: But they're not doing that. Jay, Well, that's I'm sorry.

1198
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,880
I mean, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't defend that specifically,

1199
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:10,000
but just now asked me about that. Okay, but you're

1200
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,320
saying that any child that is.

1201
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,159
Speaker 3: Born, I said specifically, highlighting certain emotionally charged cases is

1202
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,960
neglecting the bigger problem. And that's what the left tends

1203
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,960
to do in this topic is highlight the emotional appeal

1204
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:25,559
topics about this child or that child, which is unfortunate,

1205
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:26,559
but it's.

1206
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: Not the big issue.

1207
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: The big issue is I'm sorry going Well, I'm saying

1208
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,639
in philosophy and emotional appeal is where you cite a

1209
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,559
specific example and then you expand that to the to

1210
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,719
the totality and say that on the basis of how

1211
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,599
you feel about this specific example, you should sway your opinion.

1212
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,960
So the reason it's the fallacies that's not actually based

1213
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,119
on the logic of the situation. It's based on what

1214
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,000
what you feel the war propaganda does.

1215
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: That's where they say, look at this child, he was

1216
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,440
killed in the war, therefore be against the war. Well,

1217
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,440
I'm just talking about our constitution in the lawn. No,

1218
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:56,719
you weren't. You were talking about I wasecific emotionally charge case. Now,

1219
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,159
I was specifically talking about what it says in the constitution.

1220
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,239
You talked about mostly charge cases. Then you ask me

1221
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,960
about that I'm asking you about and I was responding

1222
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,719
to the law which states if you are from certain

1223
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,719
countries like Mexico and you're seeking asylum, and you come

1224
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,199
to this country and you fill out the proper paperwork,

1225
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,480
and you're in the middle of that process, and you

1226
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,079
show up in front of a judge, it is illegal

1227
00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:20,159
for the Trump administration to deport you. And the point

1228
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:21,480
that I was trying to make is this isn't a

1229
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:24,239
one off for a couple of cases. Thousands of people

1230
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,800
have been deported in the middle of the paperwork process,

1231
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,239
where in our own constitution it says they cannot deport

1232
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,679
you if you're seeking asylum from certain countries. It's against

1233
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,920
the law. That's not an emotional argument, but it's a

1234
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:37,719
law that's being.

1235
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,039
Speaker 3: Broke thousands of cases versus ten twenty thirty million people

1236
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:43,719
that are here illegally in the last few decades. Again,

1237
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,719
it's that's highlighting something that's not the main issue. So

1238
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,079
it's more important to save the country than to be

1239
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,199
an overly concerned I don't think these people.

1240
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: Are ruining the country and our country needs to be saved.

1241
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,079
In fact, per case, I disagree. Okay, well, do you

1242
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:58,400
have a better chance of being the victim of a

1243
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,760
crime from an undocumented immigrant or American citizen depends on

1244
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,800
where you are. Okay, now, you know to certain places

1245
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,559
where there are no there's going to be more crime

1246
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:08,519
in certain cities. But as a whole, and you could

1247
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:10,800
look this up FBI statistics, you have a better chance

1248
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,480
of being the victim of a crime from an American

1249
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,000
citizen than you do an undocumented immigrant. I think that's

1250
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:16,639
very important to note because a lot of people think

1251
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,199
that brown people and undocumented emigrant's coming into this country

1252
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,679
are going to rape your kids and they're going to

1253
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,800
kidnap your wife. It's just not the case. There are

1254
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,159
examples there are examples of undocumented immigrants that do horrible things.

1255
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:28,199
I want those people to ported. I don't want them here.

1256
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,960
But the overwhelming majority of these people that are coming

1257
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,920
into this country, that are here already, many of them

1258
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,280
you know, that are undocumented, are not bad people with

1259
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,960
bad intentions. I want bad people, uh thrown out of

1260
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,280
the true But it's still illegal. Yeah, okay, okay, so

1261
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,239
it's against the law. Yeah so you think so. Your

1262
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:49,440
your opinion is if you break the law, there should

1263
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,960
be consequences. Is that a fair assessment? Sure? What are

1264
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,159
the consequences for Donald Trump, the man who you support.

1265
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:57,039
You're laughing, but it's I mean.

1266
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 3: Because you're trying to pay me as if I'm some

1267
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,239
sort of like, well, no, every single policy.

1268
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: This isn't about policy. This is about concept. Now you're

1269
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,480
changing between when I told you I was an issues person.

1270
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:09,159
You say I'm a Trump apologist. I did not say

1271
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,000
you're a trumpopolicy said the man that you support, And

1272
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:14,400
I'm like, yeah, no on specific issues issue person. Okay,

1273
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,280
so let's talk about this. And I already agreed that

1274
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,639
let's forget about the fact that you've because it's hypocrisy.

1275
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,599
You want people held to the highest hold on I'll

1276
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:25,079
explain to you what I mean, and I'm not. I

1277
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,000
don't think you're a Trump apologist. I don't think you are.

1278
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:29,320
Based on the twenty minutes i've known you, I don't

1279
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,519
think you are. But you want people to be held

1280
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,199
to account. If it's somebody, by the way, it's a misdemeanor.

1281
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:36,840
If you come into this country legally, it's not even

1282
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,480
a felony. But but you want people to held to

1283
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,519
the highest extent of the law in this case of misdemeanor. Okay, fine.

1284
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: I believe for the for the maintenance and safety and

1285
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,480
health of the country, because I think the country will collapse.

1286
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Do you do you agree with me? I disagree with that,

1287
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,880
But do you agree with me that we should have

1288
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,400
that same standard held to the highest people in power,

1289
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,960
including Donald Trump? Yeah? I think everybody, nobody should be

1290
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,639
immune to to or above the wall. Sure do you

1291
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:03,760
think that standard has held up when it comes to

1292
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,360
Donald Trump in the thirty four count felony felonies that

1293
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,440
he was found guilty of or the Jack Smith case?

1294
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,119
Uh January sixth, Let me ask you another question. Since

1295
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:13,840
we're talking about the law, do you do you think

1296
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,360
January sixth happens. If Donald Trump doesn't lie about the

1297
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:22,480
twenty twenty election, would January six have happened? Yeah? If

1298
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,519
Donald Trump didn't lie, which clearly it was a lie,

1299
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:27,280
I don't care what Alex Jones says. If Donald Trump

1300
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,079
didn't lie about the twenty twenty election because he didn't win,

1301
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,960
does January sixth happen? I have no idea. You have

1302
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,679
no idea, all right, Hypothetically speaking to you, asked me

1303
00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:38,800
a lot of questions I want to ask. Can I

1304
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,559
just touch on this? But I want to use some

1305
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,840
interrogation as well. Fair enough you can, as you can

1306
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,719
ask me anything you like. Last question, well, to this issue.

1307
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,440
You're telling me that if Donald Trump did what every

1308
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,519
other president did in American history, which was concede, which

1309
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:57,400
he didn't do, you think January sixth still happens and

1310
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,400
people are trying to overthrow a free and fair election.

1311
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,559
You can't add answer that question. You don't know.

1312
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,559
Speaker 3: It's just an argument from silence. I don't know what

1313
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:06,320
would have happened had this major event not occurred.

1314
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:09,599
Speaker 1: So if he conceded and did what every other president did,

1315
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:11,960
you still think January sixth happens, and they stormed the

1316
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,400
capin on their saying, I don't know what would have happened. Okay,

1317
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,679
maybe it does, it happen, Maybe it's less likely. Who

1318
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,599
won the twenty twenty election free and fair? I believe

1319
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,440
there's manipulation. I think most elections are manipulation. Okay, who

1320
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,239
won the election? Free and fair? Did Joe Biden win

1321
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,559
a free and fair election? No? Is there any evidence

1322
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:28,599
of widespread voter front that you can share with us today?

1323
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:31,559
This is my opinion. I don't spend a whole lot

1324
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:34,519
of time focusing on voter fraud or voter election issues

1325
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:36,920
because I'm not really into day to day politics, but

1326
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,719
studying the history of the CIA the way it works,

1327
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,039
I think that they can easily tap into their techniques

1328
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,199
for regime change and throwing elections. Donald Trump win the

1329
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,840
Donald Trump win the twenty twenty four election free and fair? Then?

1330
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,880
Or would you hold that same standard and maybekommonalt No.

1331
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:56,320
I think that Trump had overwhelming popular so so it's

1332
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,239
only free and fair if Donald Trump wins. But I

1333
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,960
just gave you my opinion based on what though there's

1334
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,519
no evidence of widespread voter for he had chances my

1335
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:09,480
opinion on how the CIA riggs elections. But go ahead,

1336
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,280
So a lot of what you've argued, you keep saying

1337
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,519
my opinion, my opinion, my opinion. I'm just curious, like

1338
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
where on what basis ought we go with your opinion

1339
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,760
on what which opinion? Every topic tonight has come back

1340
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,800
to your specific specific on what what what topics in general?

1341
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,559
On the on what basis ought we to choose your opinions? Well,

1342
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,159
first of all, it's not an opinion, but you said

1343
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:33,960
that the Trump administration is breaking the law.

1344
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 3: I've already clearly why we know, why ought we do

1345
01:00:37,159 --> 01:00:39,039
this or that for the country. For example, you said

1346
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:43,199
that we ought to have certain types of immigration that's legal,

1347
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,400
and this and that, And I'm saying you said this

1348
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:47,440
was my opinion, my opinion, my opinion, And I'm saying,

1349
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:50,239
why ought we do that? Because you didn't apply those

1350
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,400
things to other places like Japan? So why ought we

1351
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:55,039
only go with your assessments?

1352
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,679
Speaker 1: America is not Japan? Number two? So why ought we

1353
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,320
care about here? Well, because I care about the country

1354
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,559
that I live. I'm more concerned about the country that

1355
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,840
are the ethics relative or are the universal? It's a question.

1356
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,960
As I've said, I wish that every government across the

1357
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:16,639
world shared the belief of we are going to vet

1358
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:20,159
you properly ought to because you wish it was the case. No,

1359
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,039
I just don't care what the color of your skin

1360
01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:23,719
is or where you're from. If you're a decent person,

1361
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,679
I welcome you in my country. So what's a pretty

1362
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:30,000
fair logical We follow your position? Because it's logical? Why

1363
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:32,440
ought we follow not being a racist? Because that's kind

1364
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,440
of when I'm I think if you don't want anybody

1365
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:39,800
from any other country, which is what you have said,

1366
01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,519
you want our borders completely shut down. I believe that

1367
01:01:42,599 --> 01:01:46,719
is Unamerican. Okay. The beauty of this country is that

1368
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:50,400
we have the freedom and others have the freedom to

1369
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,400
make something of themselves so wherever they come from. And

1370
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,440
I think that's a beautiful thing about the United So

1371
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,119
I can't speak for Japan. Why ought we follow that though?

1372
01:01:58,159 --> 01:01:59,960
Because you because you like it, you think it's beautiful.

1373
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,960
Why this country was founded on that our freedom? Many

1374
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,199
countries have founded on all kinds of things that are stupid.

1375
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,880
So your reasoning is the country is going to go

1376
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,559
down the crapper if we that's that's your reasoning behind it,

1377
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:15,559
and I okay, so fine, my reasoning is dumb, but

1378
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,440
I want to know why we have to follows dumb.

1379
01:02:17,559 --> 01:02:21,360
I'm just saying, why are we follow yours? Because we

1380
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,360
have been following it for decades and I think we're

1381
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,119
the best country in the world for for a very

1382
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:30,199
very long time. Circular argument following, because I do believe

1383
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,519
the immigrants have a lot of benefits to the United

1384
01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:35,480
States of America. You're not telling me why we ought

1385
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:39,320
to follow that. Well, produce jobs that immigrants take, that

1386
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,679
most Americans are not willing to take, working for wages

1387
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:45,440
that and Americans they help the economy. There's no question

1388
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:47,960
that it helps the Why are those things? So? In

1389
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,119
other words, you're assuming that there's this good that you

1390
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:53,280
have access to the different cultures I think is good.

1391
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,159
I think I think learning different cultures and uh, I

1392
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,039
think what's made America great is being uh for, for

1393
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:01,920
lack of a better term, I'm a mixt of different

1394
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,280
colors in the crayon box and being diverse. I think

1395
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,960
diversity is a good thing, and I don't.

1396
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: I said, so there's a standard of the good, which

1397
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,559
originally was what you said was your opinion and you

1398
01:03:11,639 --> 01:03:13,920
think that it works, and this and that's the standard.

1399
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,199
Speaker 1: Brown people scary. So now you're asking questions when I well, yeah,

1400
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:19,400
because I don't understand your logic to this. You said

1401
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,599
America is going to go down. You're deflecting away from

1402
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,239
the fact that your position objective. I'm not deflecting. Are

1403
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:29,480
they relative? Are they subjective opinions not based on on

1404
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:32,800
crime and statistics and and the benefits that the economy

1405
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,920
UH has toward ethics? Are they subjective? Yah? But I

1406
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:39,440
was talking about the economy of numbers ethics. What about

1407
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,320
the ethics? Is your ethics subjective and relative or is

1408
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,360
it objective? Yeah? I think there are people out there

1409
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,599
that could disagree with me that are maybe don't like

1410
01:03:46,679 --> 01:03:48,079
brown people. I think there are people out there that

1411
01:03:48,159 --> 01:03:53,199
have different opinions that think that brown people are I

1412
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:55,639
guess I guess you could make the case. I guess

1413
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:57,639
you could make the case it's subjective. I guess you

1414
01:03:57,719 --> 01:04:00,159
can make that case. I mean, some people could say

1415
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,719
the Klan isn't racist. I guess that's subjective to you

1416
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,079
could make the case. You could make the case. I

1417
01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:06,800
know what's subjective means? What does it mean, I know

1418
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,719
what it means. I understand what it means. And this

1419
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,239
is see, this is sean. I'm not sure that they

1420
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:13,679
do so in terms of relativism and what is that?

1421
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,320
What do you think that this is? Okay, I'll answer

1422
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,559
your question, but this is this is the Andrew Wilson approach. Well,

1423
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,239
I've been doing this debate for twenty five years, I know,

1424
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,880
and you can be doing it for one hundred years.

1425
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,880
It doesn't mean anything to me, means dick. Okay, so

1426
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,000
let's continue the conversation. I don't have to have as

1427
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:28,840
no no, no, no no. This is a word game

1428
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,559
that you're trying to play with me. So I do

1429
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:35,840
and ethics games. You can say all racism is word games.

1430
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,320
To the point that I'm trying to say for the

1431
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,880
good and you're saying it's a word game. So your

1432
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,559
position is based on I've told you you're not listening.

1433
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:45,119
First of all, it's a benefit to the economy. Why

1434
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,199
is that a show you in the question what's the good?

1435
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,840
Why is it a benefit that it people help our economy?

1436
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,719
Speaker 3: You have a reference to the good in all of

1437
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,920
these assertions, and I'm asking you what is this good?

1438
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:58,280
Because you just keep saying. Then you said admitted that

1439
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,639
it's objective and it's relative. Well, and that case, then

1440
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,559
there's no reason to prefer to offer that on anyone else.

1441
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,639
Speaker 1: Well, I would ask you the same question, why is

1442
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:09,159
it bad? I don't believe in subjective ethics? Okay, Well,

1443
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:11,440
why is it bad for the country? Why are immigrants

1444
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,599
bad for the United States of America?

1445
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,039
Speaker 3: Why do you want to close I already argued that

1446
01:05:14,199 --> 01:05:18,159
because a massive influx of other people that are not

1447
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,119
indigenous to this population replaces the it's demographic.

1448
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:23,079
Speaker 1: Don't we have a First Amendment right to believe? We

1449
01:05:23,159 --> 01:05:24,920
believe that. So you want to take the first Amendment?

1450
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,280
I want to say that your ethics comes from the Constitution.

1451
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:29,239
That's fine, you want to take. I'm asking you, though,

1452
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,280
people that are in this country that are not from America,

1453
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,800
you don't believe they should have a First Amendment right

1454
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,559
to believe something differently than you when it comes to

1455
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:40,159
religion or beliefs. Certainly you misunderstood the question. So the

1456
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,039
question wasn't are there people who have different positions or

1457
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,400
do they have a right to different position? The question was,

1458
01:05:45,519 --> 01:05:48,000
what's the epstemic basis you have for your ethics, which

1459
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,599
was purely subjective. Yeah, do you know? Well then I mean,

1460
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:54,079
I mean, I mean, if it's purely subjective, then in debate,

1461
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:57,000
then you But no, I've not conceded anything. What I'm

1462
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:58,639
trying to tell you is that when it comes to

1463
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:02,400
immigrants that are in this country relative I'm talking about

1464
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:05,800
legal immigrants. I can give you statistics that show you

1465
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,880
that it benefit follow your position. I'm telling you because

1466
01:06:10,039 --> 01:06:11,639
you don't want our economy to be boosted.

1467
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:13,639
Speaker 3: You know you don't understand that question is about why

1468
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:16,000
ought we follow it? Not just to restate what the

1469
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:16,519
position is.

1470
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 1: Why ought we follow it? Because it's why should we

1471
01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,119
because you've already said it's relative and subjectives? Why should

1472
01:06:22,159 --> 01:06:24,840
we not close our borders? And why does Brian believe

1473
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,159
that we should allow people from other countries in? As

1474
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:29,079
I've told you before and I'll tell you again.

1475
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,719
Speaker 3: So again, it's a higher level order of questioning. That's

1476
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,280
about the basis for the ethics, not to restate your

1477
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,800
position again, but why ought we follow your position? When

1478
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,000
you then admitted that your position is relative and suspective.

1479
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,639
Speaker 1: I've told you that I don't think immigrants coming into

1480
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:44,800
this country as a whole are bad for the United

1481
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,400
States of America. I've stated my position there, which is

1482
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,960
based on the good, but you don't know what the

1483
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,599
good is. Well, I've told you already, which is benefit

1484
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:56,599
to our economy. I believe diversity position. So you're saying,

1485
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,800
what is the case, this is the case, this is

1486
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,199
the case.

1487
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,039
Speaker 3: But why ought we follow your subjective, relativistic argument, Because

1488
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,320
when you come to debate and you admit that it's relative, ye,

1489
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,639
then well then there's no reason to follow it.

1490
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,599
Speaker 1: Well, listen, you come from the cloth of you want

1491
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,880
our borders to be completely closed and we can play

1492
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,679
word games. You are, and the reason why is the

1493
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,639
reason why I disagree with you. Instead of getting into

1494
01:07:18,679 --> 01:07:22,159
a philosophical debate, which I'm not here to do, I'm

1495
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:26,639
telling you that in my personal opinion, it's my opinion.

1496
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,880
I don't have a problem with anybody from other parts

1497
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,559
of the world, from different cultures and different backgrounds and

1498
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:37,440
different religions coming into this country, so long as they're

1499
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,480
properly vetted and we know they're not criminals and they

1500
01:07:39,519 --> 01:07:42,119
have good intentions. I don't think that's a threat to

1501
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:44,519
the United States of America. Now you do you think

1502
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,320
it's bad for America. You think it's a threat to America.

1503
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,960
I disagree with you. I've given you multiple reasons why.

1504
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:51,960
First of all, a lot of these people are good

1505
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:54,840
for our economy. They're hard workers, they want a better

1506
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:58,639
life for it themselves. I think diversity is a good thing.

1507
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,800
I don't want everybody to look like you and me.

1508
01:08:01,159 --> 01:08:03,559
I think diversity is good for the country. Now you

1509
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:05,519
can say, well, you know that's just your opinion and

1510
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,719
you're you're not basing it on anything. Well, you can

1511
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,440
base it on the crime rates. You could base it

1512
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:12,800
on how it benefits our economy, the financial numbers. There

1513
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,440
are a lot of different ways. You know, why should

1514
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,720
we follow All those things are assertions about what are

1515
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,439
the cases? Well, tell me why should we follow you?

1516
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,960
Why should we follow you? I've answered your question. You

1517
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,359
might not like my answer. Why should we follow you?

1518
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,199
And why should we close the orders completely? If the

1519
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:31,560
ethics that you prefer are relative and subjective, then in

1520
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,560
a debate, that means that anyone can just state the

1521
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,680
exact opposite and it's just as legitimate as your position.

1522
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:39,920
To me, this isn't about winning a debate. This isn't

1523
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:45,760
about to me when I come to a conversation. It's

1524
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,520
not about playing word games. It's not about talking about philosophy.

1525
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,960
Would you think it's because that's what we're doing now.

1526
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,680
I want you to explain to me why it's so bad,

1527
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,920
so you just don't want to get drilled into your

1528
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,520
position to give the basis. It's not about me being

1529
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,159
afraid of anything. I want to know. I want to

1530
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:09,439
know why position based on good I gave you. I

1531
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:13,199
gave you my ma I gave you, I gave you

1532
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,840
my reasons. Why I think immigrants coming into this country

1533
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,479
as a whole. That's just like I'm telling you, well, yeah,

1534
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,359
that's what this entire thing is about. It's about opinion.

1535
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,600
I'm okay, Well, you can have a different way of

1536
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,319
talking to people, and you have that right to do that,

1537
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,279
but I don't play that game. So I'm asking you

1538
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,000
why why do you want the borders closed? And why

1539
01:09:33,039 --> 01:09:34,880
do you think immigrants all over the world are so

1540
01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:36,479
bad for America? Tell me why.

1541
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 3: I argue and explained that earlier that the demographic replacement

1542
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,239
of a people group is a form of genocide and warfare.

1543
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,079
Speaker 1: So just igrants, I would just know, I said, mass

1544
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:51,399
amounts of infinity immorants, not legalized immigrants, and not reasonable

1545
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,199
sensible numbers of people. Sure that makes sense, that's not

1546
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:56,039
what you said earlier. You want the borders closed, you

1547
01:09:56,079 --> 01:10:00,399
don't want any immigrants. That's the case right now, decision.

1548
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,840
So right now, you think would be a wise decision

1549
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,039
to not allow anybody from other countries I come into

1550
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:09,520
this country legally because you think there would be genocide.

1551
01:10:10,079 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 3: No, I said that bringing in infinity amounts of people

1552
01:10:13,079 --> 01:10:15,760
is a form of genocide, is demographic replacement, and that's

1553
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,119
what I disagree with. So that's why I would say

1554
01:10:18,199 --> 01:10:21,880
that the present policy would be wise to completely in

1555
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,039
immigration at this stage.

1556
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:25,239
Speaker 1: So people that are on student pieces or you would

1557
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:27,399
you be against that as well. People, it's I'm talking

1558
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,840
about the masses of people, and so yes, all of it.

1559
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of the for example, Chinese foreign

1560
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:35,840
change students, A lot of those people are spies anyway,

1561
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:36,600
So yeah.

1562
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,199
Speaker 2: So of it.

1563
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:39,119
Speaker 1: Didn't Trump say he wanted to bring in six hundred

1564
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:41,399
thousand Chinese because that was a mistake because in his

1565
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,800
first administration he said I want to cut off.

1566
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:48,119
Speaker 4: These Chinese students. A lot of these people are Chinese spies,

1567
01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:50,079
probably not wise to do so.

1568
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,279
Speaker 3: Again, I disagree with Trump rehearsing on that. That's by

1569
01:10:53,279 --> 01:10:57,520
the way. That's another one I disagree with. Okay, up, immigration, Okay, yeah,

1570
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,079
I really don't know what else to say. Obviously, I

1571
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:03,439
disagree with him, Obviously. I want people to be vetted properly.

1572
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:04,960
I think there's a lot of good people all over

1573
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,239
the world that make America great. I have a lot

1574
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:10,640
of friends that come from other countries, wonderful people. I

1575
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,159
have friends that are from the faith of Islam. I

1576
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,000
don't come from the cloth of judging somebody by where

1577
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,319
they're from. I judge them on their character. I think

1578
01:11:19,399 --> 01:11:21,640
Alex Jones is just as much of a threat to

1579
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,880
the United States of America. I think Donald Trump is

1580
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,359
just as much of a threat to the United States

1581
01:11:25,399 --> 01:11:28,279
of America than the overwhelming majority of immigrants that come

1582
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:28,800
to this country.

1583
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: You ask me, I think we should deport Alex Jones.

1584
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,239
I think we should support your buddy to Gaza. I

1585
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:34,079
think Alex Jones is a piece of shit. I think

1586
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,000
we should deport Donald Trump to Gaza. I think he's

1587
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,600
a piece of shit. These are people that you surround

1588
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,399
yourself with. This is people that you vote for. I

1589
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,159
think those people are far more dangerous to the United

1590
01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:44,079
States of America than a lot of the people that

1591
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,399
you're talking about that you don't want here. That's my

1592
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,760
personal opinion. I think there are bigger threats in the

1593
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,279
United States of America people that look like you than

1594
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:54,479
anybody that looks brown that comes into this country. You know,

1595
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,920
hopefully what's up. Racism is wrong? Right? Yeah, how am

1596
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,399
I being racist? Well you just divided up your assessments

1597
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,359
on the basis of yeah, because you are very concerned

1598
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:07,199
with people is wrong. Yeah, absolutely, racism is wrong. I

1599
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:09,760
have no problem with white people racism right now. No,

1600
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,039
I'm not. I'm doing orange people. I don't care what

1601
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,399
the color of skin Donald Trump is. Yeah, because you

1602
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,920
seem to be having a problem with people that come

1603
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,560
from other backgrounds differently than you. I think that there

1604
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,640
are people all sorts of people, different colors. But racism

1605
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:30,760
is also subjective or is it morally wrong? In general?

1606
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:35,720
Racism is terrible, it's wrong. It's horrible. Everybody anybody who's

1607
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,840
a racist. So now you're not a relativists subjectivist. When

1608
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,880
did I ever say that it's okay to be racist?

1609
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:45,479
It's another word game. No, you either, so either something

1610
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,439
is relative or it's objective. And now racism is objectively

1611
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:53,199
morally wrong everywhere. But your ethics was relativists and subjectivists.

1612
01:12:53,239 --> 01:12:54,880
So you just I've been very very clear, and I'll

1613
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,960
make it very very simple for you. Racism is wrong

1614
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,479
on what base? This and that was subjective on any basis? No,

1615
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,079
what is your base? When you judge people based on

1616
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:09,039
your skin color? When you judge people and treat them,

1617
01:13:09,159 --> 01:13:12,720
is that universally morally wrong? I believe so yet Okay,

1618
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,199
but now you're not a relativist or subjectivist.

1619
01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 3: Now you're believing in moral universal claims, which you said

1620
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:19,359
isn't really possible.

1621
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:21,079
Speaker 1: Point that I was trying to make, Jay, So it's

1622
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:23,279
a contradiction. No, it's not a contradiction the point that

1623
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,399
I was, is it subjective or is it objective? I'm

1624
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:28,239
going to give you the easy background. Is it subjective?

1625
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,960
I'm going to answer you, but I'm going to give

1626
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,680
it to you. You're going to get around the question

1627
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:36,359
because because earlier your ethics were subjective and now they're universal,

1628
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,520
so it can't have both. My opinion that when you

1629
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,039
so it's not universal. So it's not universal. So you

1630
01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:45,119
just contradicted So it's not a contradiction what I'm about

1631
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:47,760
to say it's universal. It's not universal. That's a contradiction.

1632
01:13:48,399 --> 01:13:50,640
What's your definition of what racism is? What about do

1633
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,520
you think it's universal? Is it universal? Right? I don't.

1634
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,199
I mean, I don't know even what racism is technically,

1635
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,600
don't know what racism is. Is that a serious statements

1636
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,000
you expect because when people define it, it gets defined

1637
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:06,880
in a million different ways. And your situation, you just

1638
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,840
did a racist on to me. I'm a bipop person.

1639
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,399
I see that black indigenous personal. I'm sure you are,

1640
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,880
and how there you? So you should be so you

1641
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,720
would want you to be deported them? So let me

1642
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,039
be clear on this, Okay, The reason why I said

1643
01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:23,720
people who look like you is not an attack on

1644
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,119
all white people. The reason why I said that is

1645
01:14:27,239 --> 01:14:31,720
because the reason why I said that, which I think

1646
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:36,000
you're struggling to understand respect. I don't. I mean, I

1647
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:38,319
don't think there's anything funny when it comes to racism.

1648
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:43,920
But racism is subjective. But also can call you word

1649
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,000
games are So if I say A and non a,

1650
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:47,840
is that a word game or is that a contradiction.

1651
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:50,039
So here's the point that a contradiction, not a second.

1652
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:53,479
Calm down for a second, don't so logic is relaxed.

1653
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,880
Second is logical. Point that I was trying to make

1654
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,239
was that you seem to think that if we'll allow

1655
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:04,199
a lot of immigrants coming into this country, yes, it's

1656
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:08,039
bad for America. The right that I was traveling. The

1657
01:15:08,119 --> 01:15:09,800
point that I was trying to make is people like

1658
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,159
your good friend Alex Jones and people who you voted for,

1659
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,560
like Donald Trump, to me, are probably more of a

1660
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,560
danger to this country than most immigrants that are coming

1661
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,039
into this country. But yet you want to be concerned

1662
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:25,119
about all these people over the world that you claim

1663
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:26,560
are got to cause a genocide.

1664
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,560
Speaker 3: You assumed that I had no other I mean, I mean,

1665
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,800
but why is Donald Trump or Alex Jones more of

1666
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,319
a threat to the country than millions of.

1667
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, first Amendment, first amendment, free speech.

1668
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,800
He attacks people like me on a daily basis with lawsuits,

1669
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,359
civil suits. Yeah, towards people in the media in general,

1670
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,199
media members in general. When you look at the Pentagon

1671
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:52,600
press briefings, I can give you an example there. I

1672
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,720
know people that are way on the right. Uh, they

1673
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,439
don't allow people like me at these press briefings, and

1674
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,279
they don't allow people in Pentagon press briefings unless right

1675
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:02,880
wing idiots. And if someone gets in there that is

1676
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,600
on the left or in the middle, Pete Hexth does

1677
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,479
not call on them, that is against our democracy to

1678
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,960
begin with. Anyway, I think that's a joke when you

1679
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,680
look at the White House press briefings and we're just

1680
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,319
talking about the media right now. You ask me about

1681
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:17,920
the media when you have idiots like Jack pisobic and listen,

1682
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,479
I think Tim Poole, I don't think Timpole's an idiot,

1683
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,880
but I think Tim Poole would agree. He's not a journalist.

1684
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,279
He's a talk show host, just like me. Talk show

1685
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,600
hosts and opinionated people should not be in that room.

1686
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,600
That's not about opinionated people. That should be about strictly

1687
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:35,479
journalists doing their job. And I find that an attack

1688
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,520
on democracy as well. I think that is a threat

1689
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,520
to democracy. It's a threat to this country. It's a

1690
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:42,840
threat what happened on January sixth. It's a threat that

1691
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,720
he still has yet to concede an election that was

1692
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,000
not stolen, by the way, there's no evidence of widespread

1693
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:51,119
voter fraud. You cannot you couldn't articulate that whatever you

1694
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:54,880
said about the CIA or the FBI or whatever you said. Okay,

1695
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,279
well act so all of a sudden. Now it's okay

1696
01:16:57,319 --> 01:16:58,520
for you to have an opinion, But if I have

1697
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:01,159
an opinion on that, you're playing word as the justification

1698
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:03,880
for your what's your justice? I asked for the justicers

1699
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:07,000
for your morals, which you're not to our opinion. Okay,

1700
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:10,079
it's fair enough. What's your justification that the twenty twenty

1701
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:13,319
election was stolen? Let's use your same have a hard

1702
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,279
position on that? Because I said, now you don't have

1703
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:17,840
a hard position. It's my opinion based on the my

1704
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:20,119
what's your justification? Why do you keep interrupted me when

1705
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,600
you asked me? But because I don't need a justification

1706
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,079
for my assessment. That's an opinion I don't need. It's

1707
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:27,600
a different type of question than what's the grounding for

1708
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,960
your ethics? I don't need my justification for an opinion.

1709
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,520
I guess, I guess I could use the same logic

1710
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,560
that you just know for ethics. Okay, not your opinion again,

1711
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,960
what about our justic case where ethics can't be a

1712
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:37,800
mere opinion.

1713
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the argument. Now you're conflating two different

1714
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,119
two different questions. By the way, not to believe in

1715
01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:44,439
democracy much is retarded.

1716
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,359
Speaker 1: So you don't think we should have elections.

1717
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,640
Speaker 3: I think that elections have been kind of a joke

1718
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,560
for a long time, so I just don't really care

1719
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,239
about them. So it doesn't matter to me whether there's a.

1720
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we should have elections in this country.

1721
01:17:57,399 --> 01:18:01,000
I'm more I'm more of a monarchist to believe in monarchy. Okay, wow,

1722
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:04,560
I didn't expect that you don't care about democracy. I

1723
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,119
think democracy, like Plato SAIDs retorted, So democracies, what do

1724
01:18:09,159 --> 01:18:12,640
you mean it's gay baking gay? Can you help me

1725
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,359
understand something I guess we could have. I feel like

1726
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,199
words of Magas supporters, they use homophobic slurs. I'm not

1727
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,439
saying you did that on X to attack people. I

1728
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,199
don't understand that. It's like the way an eight year

1729
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:28,159
old but Brian democracy ethic, it's just a jug. If

1730
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:30,880
ethics are relative, I don't understand then I just have

1731
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,079
a different ethic. But okay, so democracy is gang can

1732
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:43,159
that should be the title. So people on social media,

1733
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:45,399
some are saying you're a fascist. I didn't say that,

1734
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,119
but some people on social media are saying that, what

1735
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:48,960
would you What would be your response to that.

1736
01:18:49,399 --> 01:18:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done a lot of critiques of fascism on

1737
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:55,000
my channel. Again, christian or the ox Christianity is not fascist.

1738
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:56,920
It's out a history of being monarchists. So if you

1739
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,039
think that fascism is monarchy, that would be a big

1740
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:02,760
historical mistake. Fascism is the joining of the corporate interests

1741
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,880
together with the state interests.

1742
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:06,359
Speaker 1: That was Mussolini's definition.

1743
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 3: Mussolini was originally a socialist leftist who became a fascist,

1744
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,439
and so I do think that the history of fascism is.

1745
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:14,119
Speaker 1: Bound up with.

1746
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 3: Corporatism, and I'm opposed to corporatism. So I would actually

1747
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,720
favor a minimalist government that is a form of hierarchy.

1748
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,560
Speaker 1: I haven't said this, but there are people that have

1749
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,159
accused you of being anti Semitic. I have not heard

1750
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,399
anything that you've said in this conversation that would lead

1751
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,119
me to believe that. Why do you think people say

1752
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:34,640
that about you? And what are your thoughts on Jewish

1753
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:35,279
people in general?

1754
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, again, I think guilt by association if you go

1755
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,439
on a podcast of somebody who's critical of Israel, you'll

1756
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:41,359
get immediately be called it.

1757
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:43,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's anti Semitis.

1758
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:45,199
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that you're I'm answering the question as

1759
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,159
to why might somebody say that. I do believe that

1760
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,520
the Talmud is not good. I don't think it teaches

1761
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:51,960
good things.

1762
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 1: You're a religious person, Okay, So.

1763
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 3: I'm giving the answers about I think that Zionism was

1764
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:04,720
originally a socialist quasi religious movement from Heimweitzmann, Theodore Herzel,

1765
01:20:05,319 --> 01:20:07,760
Moses has Uh, and I disagree with Zionism, but I

1766
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,239
think that as an Orthodox Christian, we have a duty

1767
01:20:10,279 --> 01:20:12,880
to love all people, and so we can't hate anybody

1768
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,359
or specifically pick out certain people. But I do think

1769
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:20,319
organized crime syndicates like BB or Jeffrey Epstein should be opposed.

1770
01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: But I don't make sin Jeffyin's religion, though I don't

1771
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,520
make sin genetic. Was what I was about to say. Okay,

1772
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,359
what are your thoughts on Jewish people in general?

1773
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,159
Speaker 3: I think that again, we have a duty, as Paul

1774
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:32,399
says in Romans eleven, to love and to pray for

1775
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:33,479
the conversion of Jewish people.

1776
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,199
Speaker 1: I think religion is bad for people, by the way

1777
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:39,520
I think. I think in general terms, billions and billions

1778
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:41,680
of people have died because of their religion, because of

1779
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,319
their religious beliefs. What's wrong? I have a song with that.

1780
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:48,600
What's wrong with death? Murdering people's kind of if morals

1781
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,319
are subjective, is nothing actually wrong? I think murdering people

1782
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,159
and killing it's not. Actually it's not a universal moral wrong.

1783
01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:58,359
It's just a personal subjective Yeah, well, I think most

1784
01:20:58,359 --> 01:21:01,600
people would agree. Do you think it Okay? Probably killing,

1785
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,399
that's a fallacy because appeal to masses. Well, I'm not

1786
01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:07,039
going to debate that, because you know you want to

1787
01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:10,640
give using fallacy that's going to listen appeal if you

1788
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,640
try to call it what you want. All I'm saying

1789
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,600
is a lot of people have died innocent people and

1790
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:18,000
their faith and religion. So that's all I'm saying. You're

1791
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,359
saying what is First of all, it's a genetic fallacy,

1792
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,520
So because people have died because of their fallacy, Yes,

1793
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,560
I do, But answer my question. Answer my question. I

1794
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:32,279
asked you first. You keep you keep asking to try

1795
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:34,279
to making bad arguments.

1796
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:36,520
Speaker 3: I have a duty if we're playing chess, and you

1797
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,800
kept violating the rules like I would have to say,

1798
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:39,960
you can't move the pawn.

1799
01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 1: Like, no, you're right, listen, Jay, You're right. Calling democracy

1800
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,680
gay is a great argument. You're very okay, Well, it

1801
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,119
wasn't very funny, you have I'm serious, though, Do you

1802
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,560
care about our democracy? Do you care? Again?

1803
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 3: I I would like to see American flourish and do well.

1804
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,199
I don't have any hopes for democracy. I think democracy

1805
01:21:59,319 --> 01:22:02,600
is a term that so weaponized and used. The CIA

1806
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,760
kind of used this in the Cold War. I don't

1807
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,439
care what about history. I'm asking you about your opinions.

1808
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,239
I do care about history, but I'm asking about your

1809
01:22:10,279 --> 01:22:11,000
opinions right now.

1810
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: My opinions come from history and the books that I read.

1811
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,880
So we shouldn't have elections? What book? What book did

1812
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:17,960
you read that should I just said that I don't

1813
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,359
have a lot of faith in elections. I didn't say

1814
01:22:19,359 --> 01:22:22,399
we should have. And where's your evidence that our elections

1815
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,039
are being rigged or stolen? I said that the CIA

1816
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:27,520
has a long history of rigging elections of foreign countries.

1817
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:28,840
It's a very general state.

1818
01:22:29,239 --> 01:22:31,159
Speaker 3: So that's why I don't have a lot of faith

1819
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,279
in elections. In general, I think that at the local level,

1820
01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:35,359
people can do a lot more effect. They can be

1821
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:38,960
a lot more effective in terms of politics than national elections.

1822
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:40,960
I mean, unless you're a lobbyist, unless you're part of

1823
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:41,640
a pack, unless you.

1824
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: Have billions of dollars. Really, I don't see that's that's

1825
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:46,720
national polity. I understand what you're saying. I would have

1826
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:48,239
a problem with that. I understand what you're saying, Jay,

1827
01:22:48,279 --> 01:22:50,399
But I'm an evidence. I'd like to think of myself

1828
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,199
as an all I said. But everything I said is

1829
01:22:53,239 --> 01:22:56,039
not even controversial. Okay, But but Jay, you are not

1830
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:58,880
willing to say that Joe Biden won a free and

1831
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,239
fair election, and my question an opinion on it? Right?

1832
01:23:02,319 --> 01:23:04,039
You said you have an opinion, and most people that

1833
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:07,840
have an opinion based that on actual and I gave you.

1834
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:09,920
You didn't give me any species.

1835
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 3: I think you'd understand the difference between when people have

1836
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,720
an opinion that they have as a theory or an

1837
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,119
assessment that they don't have a hard heart position on,

1838
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:18,000
versus when they have a heart position.

1839
01:23:18,119 --> 01:23:20,159
Speaker 1: So I have some things that I have heard positions. Okay,

1840
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,239
but when somebody tells me that they believe that the

1841
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:24,720
election might happen. I said, it's an opinion based on

1842
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:26,640
the way that I know about how the CIA works.

1843
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,319
That's my opinion. So your opinion is the election might

1844
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:31,399
have been stolen because you're based on the way the

1845
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,880
CIA works. If you presented in dozens of other countries

1846
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,439
the elections in Iran, thinking about other countries, that's different. Well,

1847
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,439
that's the precedence for why it would happen here. We're

1848
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:46,399
not Iran, Okay, we actually because the way the deep

1849
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:47,880
state that you asked them about the beginning, the way

1850
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,880
they operate in other countries, is the same way that

1851
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,640
they object. Let's try that one. Let me try this

1852
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,720
different way. If I'm a judge right now, and your

1853
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,640
case that you're making that you believe opinion that Joe

1854
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,600
Biden didn't win a free and fair, aaloh election, what

1855
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,960
evidence would you be able to present to me other

1856
01:24:03,039 --> 01:24:06,079
than I know how the CIA works, which is not evidence,

1857
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:08,079
by the way, well it is of it. Okay, Then

1858
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:11,319
where is your You have to have something called residence. Okay,

1859
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:13,840
you have to have something presented to a judge called widespread.

1860
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:16,039
But I didn't come here with a hard opinion. Again,

1861
01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:18,640
on the twenty twenty election, So you can have an

1862
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:20,840
opinion based on no fact at all. I didn't say.

1863
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Note again, you're lying about whether I had so tell me.

1864
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:26,159
Give me something that makes you believe that Joe Biden

1865
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:29,880
because I believe that there's a breakaway security establishment that

1866
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:32,439
is the quote deep state, and the same way that

1867
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,560
they re elections. And I don't care what it sounds like.

1868
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,479
That's again a fallacy of association, which you said you're

1869
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,000
not going to do what Well, you sound like you're

1870
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,039
saying that I'm sorry that you can't do the nuance,

1871
01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:46,119
But that's a fallacy. You're making a claim that the

1872
01:24:46,199 --> 01:24:50,199
election opinion, okay, an opinion. Are there things that you

1873
01:24:50,279 --> 01:24:53,479
have opinions on that you're not hard set on based

1874
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,000
on some cherry or gut? Sure, So if I told

1875
01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:57,720
you that, why are you trying to grill me on

1876
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,439
something that If I told you that I have an

1877
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,720
opinion that Donald Trump is a criminal, I would give

1878
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,960
you actual cases and evidence to prove that he is

1879
01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:10,600
a criminal. My argument was actual cases of dozens of

1880
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:14,800
countries where the CIA rigs elections. But other countries are

1881
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:17,399
the United States. Yeah, I know, but I'm saying that

1882
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,520
that's how it was here. Okay, So you not get that,

1883
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:24,560
So you believe the way the CIA has allegedly rigged

1884
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:29,239
other elections they do this. You don't know that you believe,

1885
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,640
you believe it probably was. How did they do that here?

1886
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,359
How did they rig it again the same way that

1887
01:25:35,399 --> 01:25:38,800
they do it in other countries. There's a lot of

1888
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,720
different techniques. How did they rig it here? Help me

1889
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,239
understand again? It's my opinion that they rigged it probably

1890
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:47,279
with Holli stuffing. They can bring the evidence of boutant stuffing, though,

1891
01:25:47,279 --> 01:25:50,319
wouldn't you have cameras. I don't have a hard opinion

1892
01:25:50,359 --> 01:25:51,920
on this, so I don't know why you're trying to

1893
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,680
debate me on Like if I had a hard opinion,

1894
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,800
I would say, I'll be honest with you. I'll tell

1895
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,800
you why. It's a theory. I'll tell you why. The

1896
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,760
reason why I'm grilling you on this, for lack of

1897
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:04,319
a better term, is because there is zero, let me

1898
01:26:04,399 --> 01:26:09,199
repeat zero evidence of widespread voter fraud. Does this idea

1899
01:26:09,239 --> 01:26:11,560
that in that do they any hold on? Let me

1900
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,880
just produce thought and then you have the floor. Do

1901
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,880
they there is zero evidence of widespread arter the same

1902
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,239
a position. It's not a position, it's a fact. But

1903
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:24,039
birth is not that and Donald Trump did not win

1904
01:26:24,119 --> 01:26:27,560
the associated Well, no, I'm just showing how ridiculous you're

1905
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,840
argument ridiculous. No, it's not because I'm saying because you

1906
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,399
know how they do they do in other countries. I'm

1907
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,359
sure it's happened in the past, but that has nothing

1908
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:40,880
to do that is. That's the precedent for why I

1909
01:26:41,039 --> 01:26:43,439
have the suspicion of twenty twenty So you know so

1910
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:46,640
by your standard, you don't believe any elections. Do you

1911
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:50,119
think any election is election? We're giving a a straw man.

1912
01:26:50,199 --> 01:26:53,039
I didn't say every election is, but twenty twenty four wasn't.

1913
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,600
That's a strong man? Okay, yes, I do twenty twenty

1914
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:58,800
I argue that all elections are. Do you know what

1915
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,239
evidence is? I can your Yeah, do you know what

1916
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:01,800
evidence is?

1917
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Speaker 2: No?

1918
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Speaker 1: Do you okay?

1919
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 4: No?

1920
01:27:03,079 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't okay. I can play your stupid word games too,

1921
01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:09,319
the two thousand game, the twenty twenty four, the twenty

1922
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,880
and twenty four elections. You want to you keep saying game.

1923
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:13,920
So I want to know if the law of non

1924
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,520
contradiction is the word game. I'm asking you a question. Okay,

1925
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,319
I've answered all your questions. Is the law the world

1926
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,680
hold on you just say everything's a word game. The

1927
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,359
twenty twenty four election was not I have a suspicion, okay,

1928
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,600
but the two thousand suspicion. So the twenty and sixteen

1929
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,279
election where Donald Trump won, I admitted the he does

1930
01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:36,039
this the country. So why are you growing I don't

1931
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have the knowledge of that. So in two you said

1932
01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:40,239
it probably did. Maybe I don't know. So that's why

1933
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:43,640
that's my question. I'm not making that claim. All I'm

1934
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,199
simply saying is in twenty and sixteen, you believe Trump won.

1935
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,760
In twenty and twenty four, you believe Trump one. But

1936
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,880
it's very interesting that you retort back to the CIA

1937
01:27:54,119 --> 01:27:56,840
as the reason why you think Joe Biden's suspicion right,

1938
01:27:57,119 --> 01:28:01,279
Joe Biden didn't win because you have a suspicion. Mhm, Okay,

1939
01:28:01,279 --> 01:28:03,600
I'll let the less on something that you said is possible.

1940
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:07,960
I'll let the list. I want to ask, so if

1941
01:28:08,359 --> 01:28:11,199
if I say A is the same thing as not a,

1942
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,159
do you think that's a word game or is that

1943
01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:15,800
the law of non contradiction? No, I think you're a hypocrite.

1944
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:17,760
I think when you use these words and you have

1945
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,399
these opinions, No, I think you're a hypocrite. That's an

1946
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:24,399
out homonym. Okay, No, I wouldn't. I'm not name calling you.

1947
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,119
I wouldn't say that. But I think, okay, well, because

1948
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:30,720
you say certain things like, for example, okay, fine, you think,

1949
01:28:31,119 --> 01:28:35,399
let's say, for the sake of argument, standard in every election,

1950
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,760
is a the same thing as non a? Is that

1951
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:43,760
a word game? Is the law? It depends? What we're

1952
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,600
talking is the law? I'm asking you about the law

1953
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:48,680
of non contradiction. That's what we're talking about, is that

1954
01:28:49,359 --> 01:28:51,199
it depends on the topic that we are referring. Is

1955
01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:54,279
the law itself a word game? Like I said, I'll

1956
01:28:54,279 --> 01:28:57,359
answer the law. Do you know that there in logic?

1957
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,960
You study laws? Right? What do you think those law

1958
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:04,520
word games? Do? I think laws are the laws of logic?

1959
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,359
Depends specifically what you are refering to. One called the

1960
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,600
law of non contradiction? Is that a word? What about it? No?

1961
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,039
I wouldn't say that. Okay, thank you, not necessarily so,

1962
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:15,159
I'm not playing word games. But you are a hypocrite.

1963
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,720
You use a different standard for that. You do actually

1964
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,520
didn't argue that Donald Trump was had a different center.

1965
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,560
I actually specifically said that he should be held to

1966
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,680
the same standard. I don't think that she hasn't. Well,

1967
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,720
that doesn't mean that that's again, had nothing to do

1968
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,359
with it what I argued, No, I think I think

1969
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:31,199
it is a little bit to do it. But I

1970
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:35,439
do find it interesting. When Trump wins, everything must have

1971
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,600
gone fine in the election. But if Trump loses, the

1972
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,239
CIA must have been involved. That's an Alex Jones conspiracy theory.

1973
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:43,520
That's not what I argue. That is a conspiracy theory.

1974
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,000
I know what's going on in the CIA, and I

1975
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:48,479
don't think Joe Biden. I know I had a suspicion.

1976
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,600
You have a suspicion past evidence and examples that you admitted.

1977
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,239
So if I said I have a suspicion possible if

1978
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:56,720
I said no, if I said that, you said the CIA,

1979
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,279
you said the CIA could elections and others. I don't know.

1980
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:01,880
I don't have and he knows possible. What I do

1981
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,760
know is that said earlier as possible. What I do.

1982
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,840
Just because I say something is possible that I didn't

1983
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,119
say that you did, that's my suspicion. So you just

1984
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:14,720
have a suspicion with no evidence. You in a position.

1985
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,760
I just think it's it's it's okay. There's nothing wrong

1986
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,520
with being a hypocrite, because ethics a relative anyway. Yeah,

1987
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,239
you got to fend off with the files and the

1988
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:28,880
deep state or sure we could talk about that. Sure, absolutely, absolutely,

1989
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:30,600
you want to go first this time? Go ahead, I'll

1990
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,319
be a gentleman. You let him go, I'll let him

1991
01:30:33,359 --> 01:30:39,399
go first. What's the prompt? Are they are they real?

1992
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,800
Are they good? Or they like? Yeah? Well, would you

1993
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:42,079
want to?

1994
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,399
Speaker 2: I guess you mentioned Trump's in there a lot, But

1995
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,399
do you have a heart take on that, Brian? I've

1996
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:47,319
seen files with Trump.

1997
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:51,359
Speaker 1: Sure, I have some very strong opinions on it. First

1998
01:30:51,359 --> 01:30:54,239
of all, a lot of maga Republicans and even members

1999
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:57,000
of Trump Trump's well, not before his administration. A lot

2000
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,479
of people that were around Trump campaigned on this, the

2001
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,239
deep state in Hollywood, pedophiles, and then they had those binders.

2002
01:31:03,279 --> 01:31:05,720
As you know, Jay Jack Bisobek was one of them.

2003
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,600
I called him out for this and Pam BONDI made

2004
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,520
them all look like clowns. I agree. As you know,

2005
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:12,399
there's still see we might agree on this one. There's

2006
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:14,640
still three million well, let me just start with this foundation.

2007
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,760
You agree with me that what happened to these kids

2008
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:19,039
is horrible, sure, and people should be held to account. Right,

2009
01:31:19,079 --> 01:31:21,079
but to this day the only two people, I think

2010
01:31:21,319 --> 01:31:24,800
there were a few more arrests right overseas, but Gislaine

2011
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:28,840
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein are really the only two people

2012
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,520
in this country that have been held to account. Correct.

2013
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,800
What does Donald Trump do well? The first thing he

2014
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,119
does is, says his former personal attorney Todd Blanche to

2015
01:31:36,279 --> 01:31:38,520
interview Maxwell. A couple of days later, she sent to

2016
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,680
a club med facility. Jeez, I wonder why she's still there,

2017
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:43,880
by the way. And when she was asked, as you know,

2018
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:46,520
I think it was like a month or two ago,

2019
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,439
she pled the fifth and she said she only answered

2020
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,159
the questions if Trump basically gives her a pardon. Trump

2021
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:52,840
had nothing to say about that, and he hasn't ruled

2022
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,039
out a pardon for her. Donald Trump is mentioned in

2023
01:31:55,079 --> 01:31:58,920
the files that we've already seen partially thousands of times.

2024
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,880
In fact, Donald Trump is mentioned more in the Epstein

2025
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:04,399
falls than Jesus Christ is mentioned in the Bible. He

2026
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:06,279
doesn't want us talking about it. Jay. He calls people

2027
01:32:06,319 --> 01:32:08,079
like you and me stupid for even talking about the

2028
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:11,520
Epstein fau even talking about it. I've been very consistent,

2029
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,000
whether you're a left or a righty, whether you're a

2030
01:32:13,039 --> 01:32:15,199
Democrat or a Republican, I want everyone held to account.

2031
01:32:15,239 --> 01:32:17,800
If you're in those files, release everything, redact the names

2032
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,960
of the victims. If Bill Clinton did some horrible things, fine,

2033
01:32:21,279 --> 01:32:26,239
Hillary Clinton testified, Bill Clinton testified. Why isn't Howard Lutnick testified.

2034
01:32:26,319 --> 01:32:28,560
This is a guy. This is a guy, as you

2035
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,720
know a month ago, who said he was never on

2036
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,720
the Epstein island and then right of course, and then

2037
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,800
he led about it. Trump doesn't want him to testify.

2038
01:32:36,039 --> 01:32:38,680
Why isn't Donald Trump testifying? If Hillary Clinton? You know

2039
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,720
what the Republicans did, They set a precedent. Now Milania

2040
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,760
should have to testify. She was closer to JESSELEYN. Maxwell

2041
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,319
and Jeffrey Epstein than Hillary ever was. So do I

2042
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:52,439
know for sure, one hundred percent if Donald Trump committed

2043
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:54,560
any crimes in there, No, I don't. I know there

2044
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,840
are accusations. But what I do know is that this

2045
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:01,079
is a huge cover up, huge cover up. I want

2046
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:04,920
people held to account. This is a huge cover up.

2047
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:06,920
And then I do believe a portion of the war

2048
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:09,439
and Iran a portion of it is a distraction.

2049
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,399
Speaker 3: I agree, So that's kind of like my Yeah, I

2050
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,039
covered this pretty extensively on my channel. We live streamed,

2051
01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:18,680
I think every day as these were beginning to sort

2052
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,520
of drip out. We did about thirty hours of live stream.

2053
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,279
People can go check all that out where we sort

2054
01:33:23,319 --> 01:33:26,960
of archived everything. I thought that was pretty substantial that

2055
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:30,239
came out. I do think absolutely that the rest of

2056
01:33:30,319 --> 01:33:32,520
the of the file should be released. There should be

2057
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:36,800
total you know, they should redact everybody but victims absolutely

2058
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,279
agree with all that. I do think it was a huge,

2059
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,600
huge mistake to cover this up and to not allow

2060
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:45,520
not to push for this to be released when this

2061
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:49,479
was a campaign promise. So I'm having a hard time

2062
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,720
to figuring it out where we could disagree on this one.

2063
01:33:52,039 --> 01:33:54,600
Totally agree, huge bleunder, as big as any of the

2064
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:55,720
other Trump blunders.

2065
01:33:57,039 --> 01:33:59,079
Speaker 1: What would it take for you to regret your vote

2066
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,520
if something came out in the episte? To be honest

2067
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,479
with my vote was just kind of anti Yeah, you

2068
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:07,239
could say that, what was it about Kamala? I know

2069
01:34:07,319 --> 01:34:09,800
we're kind of because we're gonnae on the Epstein stuff.

2070
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:11,920
We're not going to argue about that only because only

2071
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,960
because I only because I agreed with what were the

2072
01:34:16,039 --> 01:34:19,079
majority of Trump's campaign promises. Okay, I get that part.

2073
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:21,399
Let's talk about Coamala from moment. I don't really is

2074
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:22,960
there anything about her like you just said, I just

2075
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:26,199
can't vote for the because of what do you in

2076
01:34:26,319 --> 01:34:29,359
what sense? Like what do you mean she's a goober?

2077
01:34:30,279 --> 01:34:32,840
Just in that sense? I just I mean, I don't

2078
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:37,359
take political seriously anyway, So, but there's there something about

2079
01:34:37,359 --> 01:34:38,720
her that said I can't, I can't vote for her,

2080
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,960
like what you wanted me to say, that she's a

2081
01:34:42,039 --> 01:34:47,079
brown person. Jay, That's not why I That's not why

2082
01:34:47,079 --> 01:34:49,920
I messing. I'm asking the question policies you didn't like

2083
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:54,600
obviously again the positions as I said that Trump campaigned upon, uh,

2084
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,279
you know, no new wars reigning in Uh. It was

2085
01:34:58,319 --> 01:35:01,560
more about his promises more than a I'm always an

2086
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,319
issue person, but I definitely think that even if Donald

2087
01:35:05,319 --> 01:35:07,960
Trump went full Neocon, which I always had the suspicion

2088
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,840
that he could turn neok on, I felt like that

2089
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:13,960
it would still be a better bet than Kamala. But

2090
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:16,560
I don't even think that that. What I'm getting from

2091
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,720
you is it was more of Trump's promises that you

2092
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,479
thought he would keep, which I don't.

2093
01:35:20,279 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 4: Know what it was.

2094
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:21,399
Speaker 1: Like.

2095
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,159
Speaker 3: If I'm going to have to choose between these two,

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then I'm gonna at least agree with these campaign promises.

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But I also don't believe politicians actually ever, even if

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they keep half of their promises.

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Speaker 1: That would be Jay Jay. He ran them basically on

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two things. In twenty sixteen, he ran and We're going

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to build a wall in Mexico's going to pay for it.

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Obviously that didn't happen. And every campaign stop he talked

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about locking up Hillary Clinton and he was going to

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01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,119
hire a special prosecutor. So what would make you think

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that he was going to keep his promises this time around?

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Perhaps the potentiality that he had a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Ignorance and naivety about who he's staffed as his as

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his as his people. So there was a lot of

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neo cons a lot of people that betrayed him. And

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so my hope was that if he saw that Bolton

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and these kinds of characters were sort of duplicitous, that

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he might actually take actions. To quote durin the swamp

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and actually not have a bunch of lobbyists and you know,

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pack type people.

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Speaker 1: If they can remind it, let me finish it.

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Speaker 3: The last thing I would say is that also I

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think it had to do with he campaigned originally on

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not taking GOP money, and then I suspect that there

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was that he did take GOP money in twenty sixteen,

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and that's why you had so many neo con appointments

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to his staff. And then I had hoped that in

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twenty twenty that he would learn from the first mistakes

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and perhaps at least attempt to not.

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Speaker 1: Based on his age and where he's from, he hasn't

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learned from any of his mistakes. I would also say,

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unfortunately it seems that way.

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Speaker 2: Know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared Kushner when he took two point one billion

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dollars from the Saudis, Donald Trump with his crypto scheme scandal,

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I disagree with all those Yeah, eight times more wealth

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01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:01,640
now than he had when he first got into office.

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I mean, I don't know, man, my whole take on

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this whole thing. And like I said, we're not going

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to disagree on the Epstein stuff. I'm glad we that's

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01:37:09,039 --> 01:37:10,720
a really important thing. I'm glad we agree on that

2136
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:14,720
is that I went to Trump rallies and I was

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01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,640
criticized nationally for saying it felt like a clan rally. Now,

2138
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:20,760
that might be extreme language. I don't believe everybody that

2139
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:22,840
goes to a Trump rallies racist. I don't believe everybody

2140
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,159
that goes to a Trump rally as a clansman. But

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01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,039
in a way, the way you talk sometimes in a

2142
01:37:28,119 --> 01:37:32,279
joking fashion, right, ninety nine percent of the people were white.

2143
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,840
I went to a Kamala rally and it felt like America.

2144
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It was very diverse. I saw Confederate flags at Trump rallies.

2145
01:37:40,319 --> 01:37:44,359
I saw a lot of hatred. Fuck Joe and the

2146
01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:45,960
Hoe shirts.

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01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:47,720
Speaker 2: It was just like.

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Speaker 1: Just a lot of hatred. Man. And I've never said,

2149
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and I've never grouped all Trump supporters as one. I

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wouldn't put you in one. I wouldn't. I've never done

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01:37:56,279 --> 01:37:58,319
that ever, and I never will. But I will say this,

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01:37:59,039 --> 01:38:03,239
I don't think, uh, everybody who voted for Donald Trump

2153
01:38:03,319 --> 01:38:05,079
is a racist. But I do believe everybody who is

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01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:10,800
a racist voted for Donald Trump. I strongly believe that.

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01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:16,720
And I could go with policy. Listen, you haven't done

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01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:18,319
this but a lot of people in the right call Kamala.

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01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:20,640
They've called her a whore, she slept her way to

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01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:22,479
the top. I haven't heard you say that. I'm not

2159
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,319
accusing you. I didn't even remember that. I remember people saying, yeah, yeah,

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01:38:25,319 --> 01:38:26,960
I'm not accusing you of that. I want to be clear.

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But well, I'm trying to sleep my way at the top,

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01:38:29,159 --> 01:38:31,039
so I could be hire for me to call out.

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01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,600
That's funny. Actually, see you made me laugh. You're funny.

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01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:35,960
But you know I hated that rhetoric. You know what

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I mean. Here's a woman who she became the attorney

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01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,319
general duly elected twice. Even if you disagree with their politics,

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01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:44,840
that's fine. Yeah, this is a woman who became a

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senator and then a vice president. Uh wasn't wasn't my first,

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01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,359
second or third? Let me be very clear, how about this?

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She's a woman? That's that would be an area where

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01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,279
I don't want her in politics? Why tell me why? Seriously,

2172
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,319
you don't want women? Why tell me why? Oh, less

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01:38:58,359 --> 01:39:01,279
women in politics, just like I would want less immigration. Well,

2174
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let's go. I don't think women are fitted for that.

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01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:05,319
I don't think they're made for that. Why tell me

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01:39:05,399 --> 01:39:07,319
what's why would you say women A woman can't be

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01:39:07,359 --> 01:39:09,560
a politician. I don't think they're made for that. What

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01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:11,640
they can do? What are their characteristics that would lead

2179
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:12,359
you to believe.

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Speaker 3: That women tend to be more emotional, They tend to

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01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,800
not make their decisions based on facts, reasoning, and logic.

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Typically doesn't mean that all.

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01:39:20,079 --> 01:39:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's funny married, because if you have

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01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,159
a wife, I'm laughing. Because the guy who you voted

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01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,800
for has nicknames for people he disagrees with. You couldn't

2186
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,079
find a more insecure emotional guys that have to do

2187
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:34,119
with the question of whether you don't I'll tell you what,

2188
01:39:34,319 --> 01:39:36,560
because you're making the case, which I disagree with, that

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01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,039
women are more emotional. Uh, when the man who is

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01:39:40,039 --> 01:39:42,960
probably more emotional ten times more emotional, I would imagine

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01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,000
than most women that are in office right now, who

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has nicknames for people he disagrees with, he puts on

2193
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:48,920
eight layers of orange makeup. When you have a.

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Speaker 3: Comedy, I mean it comes to Trump's a comedian. So

2195
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,359
the stuff you're talking about there, you.

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01:39:53,359 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Want a comedian to be president, A serious person who

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01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,520
happens to be serious person. So you don't think you

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01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:05,680
don't think Kama is a s Why do you say that? Again,

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01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:09,960
I don't think most politicians are serious people politicians in general.

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He's got a law degree, she's a good mother. She's

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got to see politicians as like, well, what's the old

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01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:15,920
is that?

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01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 4: You know?

2204
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,119
Speaker 1: Politics is Hollywood for ugly? Okay, So you don't think

2205
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:21,760
you don't think women should be an elected office? What

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01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:23,640
other jobs do you What other jobs do you do

2207
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:27,199
you think are not front lines? What if they pass

2208
01:40:27,239 --> 01:40:29,359
a physical the same physical that a man passes, well,

2209
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:31,640
none of them have passed the Navy Seal physical. I'm

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01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,079
not talking about Navy seals, just in general serving. You

2211
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:36,039
don't have to be just a pass. It would then

2212
01:40:36,079 --> 01:40:38,680
suggest that they're physically different. I believe that if a

2213
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,800
woman is able to and by the way, there are

2214
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:43,720
some women that are that are able to pass the

2215
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,640
same physical standards that a man. Okay, so why would

2216
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,760
you have a problem with them because the exceptions don't

2217
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:50,520
make the norm?

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01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's kind of common sense that

2219
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,520
just because of our exceptions, we wouldn't want that to

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01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:55,079
be the norm.

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01:40:55,319 --> 01:40:58,079
Speaker 1: Why not the norm be just passed this one generic

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01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:02,279
uh test that all genders have to pass. Why wouldn't

2223
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:03,800
that be Why wouldn't that be a good norm?

2224
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,399
Speaker 3: But the test and most women not passing that test

2225
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,560
would make my point that men and women are fitted

2226
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,359
and made different, they have different.

2227
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: It's a case by case basis as far as physical ability.

2228
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,840
I think you would again, I agree that you know

2229
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:19,359
there have been for example, frontline soldiers typically have not

2230
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,479
been women, and there's a reason for that. So you

2231
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,319
don't think women should be elected officials because they're quote

2232
01:41:24,399 --> 01:41:27,600
unquote emotional, They're too emotional not be the norm. You

2233
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,199
don't that women even if they pass the basic physical

2234
01:41:30,279 --> 01:41:32,000
that a man has to pass, they shouldn't be able

2235
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:34,199
to risk their license or the norm. I said, I

2236
01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:37,319
know that you're not listening unless they the norm, But

2237
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:41,600
why can't the Norman will be one basic standard physical

2238
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,000
because that's not all that it is.

2239
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,279
Speaker 3: There's also a push, there's a social engineering push to

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get for example, all women in America to go to

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01:41:50,079 --> 01:41:51,600
college to become career women.

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01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,439
Speaker 1: I think that's a bad idea. I think women are

2243
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,800
made to be at home, So women are made to

2244
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:57,319
be at home. A lot of people would call that

2245
01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:00,359
a massogynist statement. Women are made to be at home?

2246
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,520
Should women be allowed to vote? Again? I don't think voting.

2247
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,840
I think voting is dumb, so okay, but but what

2248
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:08,359
ought to be I didn't ask you what your opinion

2249
01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:10,000
on voting was. I'm just saying right now we're we

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01:42:10,079 --> 01:42:12,520
out of the do you think women should be allowed

2251
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:17,319
to vote? I don't think voting makes sense in general.

2252
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,760
So you don't like you don't like voting? I don't

2253
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:21,119
think women?

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01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 3: Answer, Women shouldn't be involved in politics or geopolitics or

2255
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:26,159
any of that.

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01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: What, they shouldn't be allowed to vote. So they're made

2257
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,800
for being at home. They're just made for being at home.

2258
01:42:31,319 --> 01:42:33,159
So women shouldn't be out there in society in the

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01:42:33,239 --> 01:42:35,319
office place. They shouldn't be able to have their own careers.

2260
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,359
They shouldn't be allowed to be teachers and dies. When

2261
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,439
when you make that attempt to make that a norm

2262
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:46,159
for society, it undoes society. So without getting personal here,

2263
01:42:46,319 --> 01:42:48,479
and I don't mean to be personal, you're married. Well,

2264
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,000
I'm not trying to go there with you. That's why

2265
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,159
I'm asking you. First. You're a married man, right, so

2266
01:42:53,319 --> 01:42:56,000
you tell your wife. If your wife wants to have

2267
01:42:56,119 --> 01:42:59,000
a career, she wants a job. Maybe she wants to

2268
01:42:59,039 --> 01:43:00,560
do what you do. She wants to be a podcast

2269
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:02,039
or you would tell her, no, your your job is

2270
01:43:02,079 --> 01:43:04,119
to be We do that together, so we have a dynamic.

2271
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,000
If she said, that's great, I'm happy to hear that.

2272
01:43:06,079 --> 01:43:10,279
But if your wife said to you, for example, you know, Jay,

2273
01:43:10,319 --> 01:43:11,920
I've been thinking I really want to be a teacher

2274
01:43:12,079 --> 01:43:15,439
or a doctor, you would tell her no, typically careerism, no,

2275
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,279
it is not good for one. So women shouldn't have

2276
01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:17,920
the choice to.

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Speaker 3: I also recognize that we live in a world that's

2278
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,319
not that's not that way, So people are forced into situation.

2279
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:28,119
So I don't blame them for what they were taught,

2280
01:43:28,199 --> 01:43:30,079
what they were indoctrinate with growing up. But I don't

2281
01:43:30,119 --> 01:43:32,239
think that that's the best way for women to live.

2282
01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:35,359
Speaker 1: No, but that's your opinion. Why not let that is

2283
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,399
not my opinion. Why shouldn't a woman be able to

2284
01:43:37,479 --> 01:43:39,920
decide for herself what's good for you? Why should do

2285
01:43:40,399 --> 01:43:40,720
for them?

2286
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 3: They can do that in this society, and I think,

2287
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:46,159
but if you observe the negative effects of doing that.

2288
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:50,439
My view is based on traditional Christian morals, so that's

2289
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:51,439
why that's the aught.

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01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 1: So Christian morals say that women shouldn't be allowed to

2291
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,600
have careers. Generally, Jesus Christ would have said that women

2292
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,640
shouldn't be allowed to have careers, right proverb thirty one? Okay,

2293
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:05,840
well again, I'm unaware of Jesus's teachings of saying that

2294
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,159
women shouldn't be allowed to live their life. Jesus what

2295
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:09,560
men tell? Did? St? Paul?

2296
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:12,319
Speaker 3: And Paul says that women are made to be a

2297
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,399
subject to the husband and to have children and to

2298
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:15,920
be at home.

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Speaker 1: So Jesus appointed politican, what if a woman doesn't want

2300
01:44:18,039 --> 01:44:20,760
to have a child, they don't want to have a child. Yeah,

2301
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,079
if they don't want to be a mother and they

2302
01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:23,680
just want to they want to be a career person.

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01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:25,920
Is that wrong? I mean, again, you have the ability

2304
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,680
to do that. But again I'm saying that I don't

2305
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,279
think that. But in your world you don't think they

2306
01:44:30,319 --> 01:44:31,199
should have that ability.

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01:44:32,359 --> 01:44:33,600
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have the I don't think that we

2308
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,279
have the ability to enforce some sort of like handmaiden's

2309
01:44:37,279 --> 01:44:38,319
tales that you don't.

2310
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: But in your world you would want women. But I

2311
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,399
also believe not have careers. I believe in a degree

2312
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:46,159
of freedom in society. What about all the women that

2313
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:51,680
are teachers, professors, very successful doctors, surgeons, brain surgeons. What

2314
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:53,600
about all the women in this country? That is to

2315
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:55,520
do with what that's like saying that because people do

2316
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:58,520
things in the case that these women are not qualified

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01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:01,439
because they're too emotional. I said that it shouldn't be

2318
01:45:01,439 --> 01:45:04,640
the norm. It shouldn't be the norm. Right, So, for example, I.

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01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:09,600
Speaker 3: Know one woman who is extremely uh proficient in history,

2320
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:13,319
she knows geopolitics very well. She's an outlier. So it's

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01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:16,560
not the norm for that domain for women to be

2322
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,479
in that. The fact that we have that in modernity

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01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,520
and that it's common doesn't mean that it ought to

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01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:23,119
be the case.

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Speaker 1: This is why I don't live my life based on religion.

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I don't live but you live it based on subjective

2327
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,279
I don't live my life based on what something is

2328
01:45:34,319 --> 01:45:36,960
said in a book. I'm not a Bible thumper, but

2329
01:45:37,039 --> 01:45:39,880
it's just based on what Brian says. No, it's you're

2330
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,399
just based on what Jesus Christ says. Well, that's a

2331
01:45:42,439 --> 01:45:44,960
better basis than just what Brian says. I would I would,

2332
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:46,800
first of all, I would respectfully disagree with you with

2333
01:45:47,079 --> 01:45:50,199
Jesus that Jesus Christ doesn't wouldn't want any woman to

2334
01:45:50,279 --> 01:45:52,079
have a career and be forced to stay home. I

2335
01:45:52,119 --> 01:45:54,000
think that's a misogynistic opinion in my.

2336
01:45:54,279 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and you've given it a place in

2337
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,560
the Bible. Jesus implies that that's I don't live my life.

2338
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't live my life. But you said she wouldn't

2339
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,039
say that. I'd like to think Jesus say that. So,

2340
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:07,960
so you're telling me in the Bible, Jesus, so women

2341
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,680
should stay at home and they shouldn't. You made the.

2342
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 3: Argument that Jesus wouldn't say that. So I'm asking you where. Well,

2343
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,520
I'm asking you where does it asking me when you

2344
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:18,600
made the assertion, Well, tell me what's where? Where does

2345
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,159
it say in Jesus he says to Timothy that women

2346
01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:23,960
should not be teachers and that they should not be

2347
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:25,159
outside of the home.

2348
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,319
Speaker 1: They should be at home. Okay, So and if you

2349
01:46:27,359 --> 01:46:29,920
would have to take a look at that. But you

2350
01:46:30,039 --> 01:46:32,359
said Jesus wouldn't say that, And I'm saying, but he

2351
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,680
does say that. Well, I'll tell you what I think

2352
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:37,720
about the Bible, and I'll tell you what I think

2353
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:42,079
about religion in general. You can believe in the tooth fairy.

2354
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:44,279
You don't know if there's heaven and hell. You have

2355
01:46:44,359 --> 01:46:46,840
no idea. If there's a god, you can believe it.

2356
01:46:47,039 --> 01:46:48,680
I don't think there's anything wrong with you believing it.

2357
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:51,119
I actually am not an atheist. I'd like to believe

2358
01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,680
that there's something out there, a higher power, but we

2359
01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:55,560
don't know. You know, you don't know if there's hell

2360
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,039
or life after death. You don't know any more than

2361
01:46:58,079 --> 01:46:59,880
I know. And guess what, we won't know until we're dead.

2362
01:47:00,359 --> 01:47:02,279
But what I don't like about religion is people that

2363
01:47:02,359 --> 01:47:04,600
push their beliefs on other people. And I believe that's

2364
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,960
what you're doing. But you push your beliefs right now. No,

2365
01:47:07,319 --> 01:47:08,920
I want women to do whatever the hell they want

2366
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,399
to do, but you're pushing that belief. Give me an example.

2367
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:15,359
Are you give me an example of me pushing a

2368
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,239
belief and forcing other people or treating it.

2369
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 3: It does not equate the forcing people to do it

2370
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:23,520
because you've been arguing your positions the whole time.

2371
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 1: My whole position is I want people to live their

2372
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,720
lives and I want people to do what they want.

2373
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,039
A position that you're pushing on people. I want people

2374
01:47:30,119 --> 01:47:32,359
to have the freedoms to have a career regardless of

2375
01:47:32,399 --> 01:47:34,600
what's between their legs. But I don't give a fuck

2376
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,920
what's in the Bible. But you say, oh, I have

2377
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,880
all these Muslim friends. They don't believe that. I'm going

2378
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,880
to ask Sean a question. Okay, so you're not going

2379
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:43,640
to answer this? No, no, no, this is important. This

2380
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:46,119
is important, Sean. I hate to bring you into this.

2381
01:47:47,279 --> 01:47:50,760
Is it ridiculous for somebody to think? Do you disagree

2382
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:54,039
that what a man says that a woman should have

2383
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,920
replaced not having a career but should be at home?

2384
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:02,239
Is that a misogynistic you? Am I wrong? And I

2385
01:48:02,279 --> 01:48:03,880
want to know what is I trust him. He is

2386
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,119
referencing a Bible verse, so I think he's approaching it

2387
01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:09,000
from that point. But would you say that's massogynists? And

2388
01:48:09,039 --> 01:48:11,159
a lot of people say that ethics are relative, So

2389
01:48:11,439 --> 01:48:14,359
another wrong with racism, more misogyny. You're telling an entire

2390
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,880
group of people what to do, what you think they

2391
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:19,680
should do, like you've done this whole debate where you

2392
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,000
said that every white man in America must accept your

2393
01:48:22,079 --> 01:48:23,840
form of liberals. I never said that, and I'm not

2394
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,159
a liberal and I never said that. When did I

2395
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:28,520
say you're a liberal you're a classical I'm a classical liberal. Okay,

2396
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:31,159
let's go with that. Uh. And we had this conversation before,

2397
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:33,760
and this is what happens when we have these conversations.

2398
01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 3: But you've been arguing that the people in America should

2399
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:37,800
accept your positions, So you're doing the same thing.

2400
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,920
Speaker 1: You're I'm not asking you to accept any of my positions.

2401
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:45,600
I'm just disagreeing. Debates are about trying to convince people

2402
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:49,560
in your position. Teople, I know that I will never

2403
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,479
convince somebody like you about anything. You are stuck in

2404
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,680
your views and your christianda, oh, fine, I'm bad, But

2405
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:58,319
what about I didn't say you were bad. I'm just

2406
01:48:58,359 --> 01:49:02,239
saying whatever. Let me be very clear, when I wake

2407
01:49:02,319 --> 01:49:03,800
up in the morning and I do my radio show,

2408
01:49:04,039 --> 01:49:06,600
I'm never trying to convince anybody. What you're going to

2409
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:09,680
get is my beliefs and my opinions. I don't show

2410
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,640
up somewhere and say, boy, you know, I saw that

2411
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:13,760
Jay Dier guy, and he thinks all women should be

2412
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:15,600
in the kitchen. So I'm going to show up to

2413
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,600
that debate and I'm going to try to convince him

2414
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:21,159
that women should have their own careers. The audience. Okay,

2415
01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:24,800
I'm never I'm never going to convince you because this

2416
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,800
is the way you believe the audience. Okay, well listen,

2417
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,319
anybody who's watching this, chances are if they're a fan

2418
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:33,479
of yours, they're going to agree with you. If they're

2419
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:34,920
a fan of mine, they're going to agree with me.

2420
01:49:35,239 --> 01:49:37,920
I'm not obsessed with audience. I'm not obsessed with changing

2421
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,560
people's minds because in most cases, I think a lot

2422
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,079
of people that are on the right, that are Trump supporters,

2423
01:49:43,159 --> 01:49:46,720
it is impossible to convince them virtually about anything. Occasionally

2424
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:48,159
I get a caller who calls in and says, you

2425
01:49:48,199 --> 01:49:50,720
know what, Brian, I made a mistake. I regret voting

2426
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,279
for Trump. It could be the Iran War, the Epstein falls, whatever.

2427
01:49:53,399 --> 01:49:56,119
But I'm not trying jay to convince anybody. That's why

2428
01:49:56,199 --> 01:49:59,560
we are fundamentally different. Well, on debate, I am trying

2429
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,880
to do that, well, debate to convince people. Okay, well

2430
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:05,960
you haven't done that. Okay, Well again, when you make

2431
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:09,199
a statement that you believe all women, in your opinion,

2432
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:12,960
should be in the kitchen, most people would them Okay,

2433
01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:15,920
most people would define that as extremely misogynistic. And let

2434
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,560
me tell you something. I don't have a problem either,

2435
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,439
do I. But I can tell you that if a

2436
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:25,880
woman is capable and she's smart, then I have no

2437
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,880
problem with her being a politician. I think there are

2438
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:29,920
people in DC that are women that are very good

2439
01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,079
at what they do. I have no problem with them.

2440
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:33,800
I think a lot of people like you didn't vote

2441
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,479
for Kamala because they're women, and I think that's wrong,

2442
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:38,640
and I think that's wrong, and I think it should

2443
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,920
be about your intelligence and your merit and what you've

2444
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,560
done in your life. And Hillary Clinton, listen, I didn't

2445
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:46,800
even vote for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen, but I'll

2446
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,079
be the first one to admit she was overqualified for

2447
01:50:49,159 --> 01:50:51,880
the position based on what she's done in her life.

2448
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,760
Donald Trump is a fucking reality TV show host. You

2449
01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:57,520
voted for a reality TV show host guy with no

2450
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,720
experience on campaign policy. He was given a half a

2451
01:51:01,079 --> 01:51:03,840
billion dollar company from his dad when he was like

2452
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,039
a teenager. This is a guy that was a TV

2453
01:51:06,199 --> 01:51:08,159
reality star. So if you want to talk about people

2454
01:51:08,199 --> 01:51:09,960
that are not qualified, I would say maybe we shouldn't

2455
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:12,439
put reality TV stars as the leader of the free

2456
01:51:12,479 --> 01:51:14,720
world more than what's between their legs. Which it sounds

2457
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:16,880
like you're a little bit obsessed with I'm sorry it

2458
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,600
does sound that way. You would never vote for a woman,

2459
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,039
It's clear, right, you would never vote for a woman ever,

2460
01:51:21,319 --> 01:51:24,520
right ever, because they're a woman. Mean, there could be

2461
01:51:24,600 --> 01:51:28,439
some insinuating circumstances where there's a you know, lesser of

2462
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:32,840
two evils, okay, good, Like for example, if there was

2463
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,319
a woman running in a local election that I thought

2464
01:51:35,359 --> 01:51:39,159
in my vote would have some effect on so you

2465
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:40,399
would be okay with the woman being.

2466
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,079
Speaker 3: Brian, I said the whole time the norm, and you

2467
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:45,840
wanted to make it like expansive universal claims.

2468
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 1: It was just what well you made the case and

2469
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:50,199
we could rewind the tape that women are not shouldn't

2470
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:54,199
be programmed, women shouldn't be politicians. That's a generalization, but.

2471
01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:58,119
Speaker 3: A generalization can include exceptions, which I said, for example,

2472
01:51:58,199 --> 01:52:00,520
because they're emotional. For example, the case of as a

2473
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:05,039
friend of mine, she's a PhD in history, feopolitics translates

2474
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,840
foreign languages. I mean, she's an outlier in terms of

2475
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:12,039
a domain that's typically male dominated. I think there's a

2476
01:52:12,119 --> 01:52:15,079
reason why STEM courses and things like that are dominated

2477
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:18,199
by men. Geo politics because that's the domain that men

2478
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:21,800
are better fitted for. I think, in general, every human

2479
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:25,800
being is different. Some are more emotional than others. In general,

2480
01:52:26,119 --> 01:52:28,720
doesn't matter what's between your legs and my opinion. Some

2481
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,199
people are smarter than others, Some people are more capable

2482
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:33,239
of some people are stronger than There's plenty of women

2483
01:52:33,279 --> 01:52:34,840
that would kick my ass. And I said that to

2484
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:38,560
Myron Gaines, who was assas. Those are all exceptions, bro Okay,

2485
01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:40,720
but you're making a generalization. You don't be any women

2486
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,359
should be politicians, but you're trying to make it they

2487
01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:45,000
should be in the kitchen on the exceptions, and I'm

2488
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:47,239
doing the opposite. Okay, but they're Every single human being

2489
01:52:47,319 --> 01:52:49,359
is different, and I don't speak for women, but some

2490
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,399
women choose They're still generalizations. But some women don't want

2491
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:54,680
to have kids, some women don't want to be moms.

2492
01:52:54,840 --> 01:52:56,079
Some women put their career.

2493
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 1: None of those were relevant to what you asked me

2494
01:52:59,039 --> 01:53:03,359
was the best fit generally speaking. I mean, listen, going

2495
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:07,520
back to my original statements earlier, I don't like government

2496
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:11,399
involvement in our lives. I don't. That's my biggest criticisms

2497
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:14,199
of religion is that too many people tell other people,

2498
01:53:14,359 --> 01:53:16,800
I'm right and you're wrong. No, my religion is right

2499
01:53:17,079 --> 01:53:18,960
and your religion is wrong. But don't you think in

2500
01:53:19,039 --> 01:53:22,159
this debate you think you're right when it comes to

2501
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:25,560
what religion? I think anybody positions. Okay, well, well let's

2502
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:27,800
talk about religion. I'm just saying, like, you don't believe

2503
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,760
that about yourself. What do you mean?

2504
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 3: Don't you believe that all your positions are correct? You're

2505
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:35,319
doing the very thing that when it comes to I believe.

2506
01:53:35,399 --> 01:53:37,399
Let me hear this way. I believe everybody is religious,

2507
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:40,079
even you. You have a religious commitment to your positions.

2508
01:53:40,119 --> 01:53:41,800
You just don't believe that it's a god. You're basically

2509
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,399
just your own god. And you're saying that all my

2510
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:45,640
positions are what I say, and that's my opinion, and.

2511
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm not forcing it down your throat. I'm not making law.

2512
01:53:48,319 --> 01:53:51,640
I don't. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm telling

2513
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:55,079
you my opinions of how I feel. You're telling you're

2514
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,239
telling half the I'm not trying to convince anybody. You're

2515
01:53:57,279 --> 01:53:59,800
telling No, I'm not so when you're coming to it,

2516
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:01,640
that you're coming to a debate and not to debate,

2517
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,640
I'm okay, I'm coming to a debate or discussion to

2518
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,720
tell you how I feel about different topics or just

2519
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:09,640
how do you feel about It's a very feminine. Okay,

2520
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:11,960
well that's fine, you can call me. I guess I

2521
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:14,359
guess Jay thinks I'm in the kitchen. Then I guess

2522
01:54:14,399 --> 01:54:15,680
I'm not Jay. I got bad news for I'm not

2523
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,479
cooking you dinner tonight. But you're not gonna make a

2524
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:23,199
sund Everybody. Everybody is different, every human being is different,

2525
01:54:23,239 --> 01:54:27,439
everybody has different skills. Because you're making a generalization about

2526
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,279
women how they should all be in the kitchen, and

2527
01:54:29,319 --> 01:54:33,159
I find that to be extremely misogynistic. Generalizations are not

2528
01:54:33,439 --> 01:54:35,760
again on your wrong, it's on your basis women in

2529
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,079
your life, and I'm just making if you tell them

2530
01:54:38,199 --> 01:54:39,960
I think you you all belong in the kitchen. What

2531
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,680
would they say to you if you said that? How

2532
01:54:42,800 --> 01:54:47,000
is that relevant too? Because because I'm curious, this is

2533
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,079
an emotional appeal again, Okay, but but I want to

2534
01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:52,880
know the people in your life, your mom or sister, whoever,

2535
01:54:53,279 --> 01:54:56,039
when you say, hey, you guys shouldn't be mom. My

2536
01:54:56,119 --> 01:54:58,840
mom was an outlier. Actually she was a very qualified

2537
01:54:59,279 --> 01:55:02,760
editor assigned journals. I think that's great. I think that's great.

2538
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,279
So why can't other people like your mom? Well, I'm

2539
01:55:05,279 --> 01:55:08,760
sure in this society they can, but that doesn't mean

2540
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,479
that it's the best for society. So the question was

2541
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,520
what's the best for society, not can they actually physically

2542
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,479
do it? So that's two different You think it's best

2543
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,039
for society to get all the brain surgeons and the

2544
01:55:19,159 --> 01:55:21,840
teachers and the politicians and every woman, say oh, I

2545
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,000
said generalizations.

2546
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 3: Typically, it's not the best for society for women to

2547
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:29,239
have what are classically male oriented positions and jobs.

2548
01:55:29,239 --> 01:55:31,199
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a case by case basis based on

2549
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:36,159
the person. No, if you're asking me about what's generally

2550
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:39,800
better for society, what about the individual? Does that matter too?

2551
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:42,319
What's best for the individual? Well?

2552
01:55:42,359 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 3: I have a Christian ethic and belief so I think

2553
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,520
that that's the best for society and for individuals.

2554
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,359
Speaker 1: So I would assume you think that gay people are

2555
01:55:48,399 --> 01:55:52,359
all sinners, you're against gay marriage because of your religion.

2556
01:55:52,439 --> 01:55:55,079
I believe that those are actions, not a state of

2557
01:55:55,159 --> 01:55:57,359
being or an identity. So you think everybody chooses to

2558
01:55:57,439 --> 01:56:01,239
be gay? You think Richard Simmons was born because I

2559
01:56:01,239 --> 01:56:04,479
think that's ridiculous. Are you saying he was gay? So

2560
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:07,279
there are many people when they're four or five, when

2561
01:56:07,319 --> 01:56:10,119
they're four or five years I actually had a conversation.

2562
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,000
I actually had a conversation with George Santos about this

2563
01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:15,039
the other day. We're actually friends, believe it or not,

2564
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:17,079
and George told me he knew he was gay and

2565
01:56:17,159 --> 01:56:19,720
he was like four or five years old, and it's

2566
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,520
not a choice. And I think a lot of people

2567
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,159
who are because I talk to these people and they

2568
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:27,560
tell me, and they're honestly, that's still that's not how

2569
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:29,800
you would know that. So Richard Simmons was born straight.

2570
01:56:30,279 --> 01:56:33,720
I'm just saying that, I'm saying that what you answered

2571
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:36,640
with would not prove the way that you know. Do

2572
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:37,960
you think being gay is a choice?

2573
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 3: Yes, there can be a society apigenetics, So you think sometimes,

2574
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:45,680
let me finish, there can be an epigenetic or a

2575
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,640
societal factors that can influence people's proclivity. Sure, but I

2576
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,399
think there's still a degree of human volition, and so

2577
01:56:52,479 --> 01:56:54,159
let's go with that logic for a second. You think

2578
01:56:54,359 --> 01:56:57,199
men in society who are once straight wake up one

2579
01:56:57,279 --> 01:56:58,960
day and say, hey, I think I like penis now

2580
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,560
that's the way you think it works.

2581
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:02,479
Speaker 1: You think it's a choice like that. That's probably, in

2582
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:06,840
most cases a continual progression of moving in a certain direction.

2583
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:11,239
I don't think it happens overnight. Again, I'm gonna strong men. Well,

2584
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:14,520
here's another one for you. I believe that sometimes in

2585
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:18,119
society people hide behind their religion to hide their bigotry.

2586
01:57:18,479 --> 01:57:21,279
And when people judge somebody based on sexuality or in

2587
01:57:21,319 --> 01:57:23,720
this case, what's between their legs, I believe it's a

2588
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:25,640
form of bigotry. And you say, well, this is what

2589
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,960
my religion tells me. No, No, this is who you are.

2590
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:30,760
You decide to think that way. You decide to think

2591
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,239
that if somebody is different than you, I assume you're straight.

2592
01:57:33,479 --> 01:57:35,680
If somebody is different, If somebody is different.

2593
01:57:36,199 --> 01:57:39,479
Speaker 3: People don't What do you mean? I mean if I

2594
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,600
just told you they're agnostic. Couldn't everything be conditioned? Then

2595
01:57:42,760 --> 01:57:45,239
there are people who are good conditioned to believe? There

2596
01:57:45,279 --> 01:57:47,239
are people who are Could I be conditioned to my religion?

2597
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: Could you be? I don't. I don't know. I have

2598
01:57:50,079 --> 01:57:51,880
no idea. So why would I be held guilty or

2599
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:56,399
accountable on your Because when I talk to people about holmosexuality,

2600
01:57:56,439 --> 01:57:58,239
you don't even understand the argument I make. And if

2601
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:01,640
it's people, and if my religion is genetic, then why

2602
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:03,720
am I guilty and gays aren't? And you think religion

2603
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:07,039
is genetic, I'm saying, if that's the case in your view,

2604
01:58:07,399 --> 01:58:10,840
religion is genetic, religion is not understand that word I do.

2605
01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:13,720
Religion is a choice. Why can't I be conditioned to

2606
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:16,920
my religion? Because sexuality is different than religion? You see

2607
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,199
for example, why can't I be conditioned? You're an atheist, right,

2608
01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,319
You're an agnostic? Right? I believe that there's a higher poety. Okay,

2609
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:24,119
but it goes back to what I said.

2610
01:58:24,680 --> 01:58:27,479
Speaker 3: But if I'm raised in religion from my earliest days,

2611
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:30,439
being taught about same, baptized as an infant, let's sam,

2612
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:33,960
brought up in Sunday school from the age four, whatever,

2613
01:58:34,399 --> 01:58:36,479
why would I not be conditioned in the same way.

2614
01:58:37,439 --> 01:58:39,920
Speaker 1: First of all, I believe that's wrong my worldview on that.

2615
01:58:40,439 --> 01:58:43,680
That's not the question. Here's why. Here's why, because I

2616
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,399
think most people who are gay would tell you. And

2617
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:48,239
by the way, I am a straight man. I don't

2618
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:50,640
speak for gay people, but I think most people would

2619
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:53,800
tell you. It's a little bit different the fact. Hold on,

2620
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:57,119
it's a little bit different to switch a religion or say,

2621
01:58:57,159 --> 01:59:00,359
by the way, I know people in my life one

2622
01:59:00,399 --> 01:59:03,079
woman who is a pastor, she's now an OnlyFans model.

2623
01:59:03,239 --> 01:59:05,319
She's a great person. Of this is answering all question.

2624
01:59:05,479 --> 01:59:08,479
She made a choice to get out of that lifestyle

2625
01:59:08,479 --> 01:59:11,279
and that religion and go live her life. Okay, most

2626
01:59:11,319 --> 01:59:13,880
people who are gay would tell you it's not just

2627
01:59:13,960 --> 01:59:17,199
a snap of the finger. If you're born I believe

2628
01:59:17,359 --> 01:59:21,279
gay and you want to turn straight. So those choices

2629
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:25,079
are conditioned and they're not actual free will choices. Do

2630
01:59:25,159 --> 01:59:27,560
You're not believe in biology? You're not even letting me

2631
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:29,880
finish it, because this is a killer for your argument

2632
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:32,520
and I never even noticed, as it's literally in this debate.

2633
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:35,520
So you can be conditioned to believe or to have

2634
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:38,399
those proclivities. But even though I go through the exact

2635
01:59:38,399 --> 01:59:41,680
same situation, I'm guilty for the choice that I made

2636
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:44,279
for the religion, which is identical to the conditioning according

2637
01:59:44,319 --> 01:59:47,680
to you, No, well, I why is one of them

2638
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:49,000
free will and the other one on I'm going to

2639
01:59:49,039 --> 01:59:51,439
be very clear again, here's where I think you're guilty of.

2640
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:55,720
And this goes for any religion in anybody. When you judge,

2641
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:59,239
somebody's wrong with judgment. I think it's wrong to judge. Well,

2642
01:59:59,279 --> 02:00:01,880
that's great, but you're are relevant. Okay, So when you

2643
02:00:02,079 --> 02:00:05,399
judge an entire group of people because they are different

2644
02:00:05,439 --> 02:00:07,359
than you because of what the way they look or

2645
02:00:07,399 --> 02:00:11,279
their sexuality, that is what bigotry is. What's wrong with

2646
02:00:11,359 --> 02:00:13,279
being a biggot? Oh, I think that makes you an

2647
02:00:13,279 --> 02:00:15,199
asshole if you're thinking, well, but I mean, those are

2648
02:00:15,279 --> 02:00:19,000
just your own prosper Well, you're right, biggots are great people. Argument.

2649
02:00:19,159 --> 02:00:22,319
I'm just saying, No, you're right, biggots are wonderful people.

2650
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,960
I shouldn't judge. Biggest why philosophy is good because if

2651
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:28,960
you learn philosophy, this is why religion is bad. Because

2652
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:31,520
he's trying to defend religion. Never made a religious argument.

2653
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:33,640
All I said was that when you judge, why is

2654
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:36,079
it so hard for you admit my judgments are my

2655
02:00:36,199 --> 02:00:38,680
conditioning that I'm not morally accountable on your world view?

2656
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:41,439
Doesn't the Bible say not to judge if but if

2657
02:00:41,479 --> 02:00:43,920
your worldview is correct? Does the Bible say your world

2658
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,960
view is correct? My choices are my conditioning, so I'm

2659
02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:49,479
not liable or accountable. Does the Bible say not to judge?

2660
02:00:50,279 --> 02:00:52,359
It says judge with righteous judge Yeah exactly, So you

2661
02:00:52,399 --> 02:00:54,960
think this is righteous taking all groups of people because

2662
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:59,279
I have a consistent basis to judge actions, not the people.

2663
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,359
I believe you. I believe God can judge people. I

2664
02:01:02,439 --> 02:01:05,560
don't know what God, whatever, God, you would How would

2665
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:07,800
you know? Then? How would you know he judges people? Okay,

2666
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,680
well it's a saying okay, but I will tell you

2667
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:12,840
I don't even know if God exists. I don't know,

2668
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,079
and you need to judges to you? How do you

2669
02:01:15,159 --> 02:01:17,479
know this audio? I made a statement, as you would say,

2670
02:01:17,600 --> 02:01:19,760
a joke. How do you know that nobody knows that

2671
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:21,279
God exists? How do you know that we don't know

2672
02:01:21,359 --> 02:01:23,880
for sure? Nobody knows? Now it's a universal claim. How

2673
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:25,399
do you know that no one knows? Who's your evidence

2674
02:01:25,439 --> 02:01:26,720
that God exists? How do you know that No, I

2675
02:01:26,760 --> 02:01:28,840
didn't make a universal claim? You did. How do you

2676
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:30,720
know that no one knows? There is no direct evidence

2677
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:31,920
that there is a God. But how do you know

2678
02:01:32,039 --> 02:01:33,760
that no one? No one's presented it. So do you

2679
02:01:33,800 --> 02:01:35,880
know what a universal claim is? Yes, nobody's presented it.

2680
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:38,520
What's a universal claim? Universal claim is what I just said,

2681
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,520
which is what nobody has direct evidence that God is?

2682
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 3: And what about all states, all people at all times

2683
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:47,920
a universal claim? Sure, do you have access to universal

2684
02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:48,680
states of affairs?

2685
02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:51,159
Speaker 1: If you disagree with me, then tell me your evidence.

2686
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:54,199
Do not have access to university affairs? Give me your

2687
02:01:54,239 --> 02:01:55,279
evidence that God exists?

2688
02:01:55,319 --> 02:01:55,479
Speaker 2: Do you?

2689
02:01:56,000 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 1: You could make me so philosophical question or word games?

2690
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:02,840
Even though you admitted that the non contradictions God exists,

2691
02:02:03,279 --> 02:02:05,399
your Christianity has got God exists? Right of course, where's

2692
02:02:05,399 --> 02:02:08,159
your evidence that the transit argument? Oh? I see, okay,

2693
02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:12,439
so so that's direct evidence. Uh yeah, it's a logical argument.

2694
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:15,039
And hell and heaven exists, right, yes, yeah, where's your

2695
02:02:15,079 --> 02:02:17,640
evidence of that? Because it's part of the worldview? Got you?

2696
02:02:17,800 --> 02:02:20,359
So your worldview? You know for sure? And if I

2697
02:02:20,439 --> 02:02:23,880
have the high okay, you can have the highest degree,

2698
02:02:23,920 --> 02:02:26,960
it doesn't make it true. But we don't know if

2699
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,720
heaven or Hell exists. But you don't know. But you

2700
02:02:30,039 --> 02:02:31,840
for you to make that you I think is insane.

2701
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:35,960
But you made the claim that you have universal knowledge

2702
02:02:36,039 --> 02:02:38,079
that no one knows that and you can't know that

2703
02:02:38,279 --> 02:02:40,520
either on your own position so you're going out on

2704
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:42,199
the bounds of what you can e do on your world.

2705
02:02:42,319 --> 02:02:46,000
There is no more evidence that God exists. Keep saying that,

2706
02:02:46,319 --> 02:02:49,000
but sorry, you don't have the evidence. No, but I

2707
02:02:49,079 --> 02:02:51,000
didn't make the claim that no one knows you did

2708
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:54,680
your entirely religion. Did you say no one knows your

2709
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:56,960
entire life is based in region? I think it's a

2710
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:59,439
fairy tale. Correctly, that's great, but you haven't given an

2711
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,960
argument for they have actually the fairy chill that you

2712
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:03,960
believe in, like free will I have? Actually you have?

2713
02:03:04,239 --> 02:03:08,079
How do you have the freedom to believe in what

2714
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:10,600
you want to believe in. I'm not denying, but if

2715
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:12,840
I go with Sam Harris or Daniel Dinnitt, maybe I'm

2716
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:14,520
just conditioned to think I have free will and all

2717
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,600
choices are determinists. Again, you have how do you know

2718
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:19,920
that free will exists? Okay, what do you mean you have?

2719
02:03:20,079 --> 02:03:22,000
How do you know that exists? Right? Because you believe

2720
02:03:22,039 --> 02:03:24,760
it metaphysical things that you can't justify you want me

2721
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:27,439
to justify. Listen, there's a there's the problem with saying

2722
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,880
to a theist that you have to justify it. You

2723
02:03:30,079 --> 02:03:34,159
believe in logic, universals, things that you can't justify, like

2724
02:03:34,279 --> 02:03:36,399
free will. So, Jay, so you don't you're not going

2725
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:38,199
to answer that. I'm going to answer, do you believe

2726
02:03:38,199 --> 02:03:39,479
in free will? I'm going to answer it the way

2727
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:43,399
I want to Okay, Okay, you have the freedom well

2728
02:03:43,479 --> 02:03:47,439
in your estimation, in anybody's that's it works. Okay, Well,

2729
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:49,359
if you want to use fallacies, you can understand. I

2730
02:03:49,479 --> 02:03:51,439
understand how a debate. A debate works, j Just because

2731
02:03:51,479 --> 02:03:53,000
you've been doing it for twenty five years doesn't mean

2732
02:03:53,039 --> 02:03:54,960
you have to be condescened. What's free will? I understand

2733
02:03:55,000 --> 02:03:56,560
that there's a lot of people on the left that

2734
02:03:56,640 --> 02:03:58,760
are very nice to you when you debate them, and

2735
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:00,840
you're very condescending. That doesn't work with me, So you

2736
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,159
don't have to do that. I've been very respectful to

2737
02:04:03,199 --> 02:04:06,279
you considering the circumstance. I'm just all and I'm asking

2738
02:04:06,319 --> 02:04:07,960
you to let me answer in the way I want

2739
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:12,960
to answer it respectfully. You have the free will, I'll

2740
02:04:13,079 --> 02:04:15,760
use your terminology to believe in what you want to

2741
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:19,520
believe in. You have the free will to believe in

2742
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:24,479
your God, your religion. I usually don't get along very

2743
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,560
well with extremely religious people. I have almost nothing in

2744
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:30,399
common with some of these people. I think it's a

2745
02:04:30,479 --> 02:04:35,039
mental illness. That's my opinion. Now, if you form and

2746
02:04:35,159 --> 02:04:37,600
live your life based on your religion, you have the

2747
02:04:37,800 --> 02:04:42,039
right to do that. But nobody knows if there's heaven

2748
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:45,520
or hell. You don't know that. You don't know. You're

2749
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,359
making the case that there's a heaven or hell. I'm

2750
02:04:47,399 --> 02:04:49,960
not making that case. What I'm saying, Jesus there might

2751
02:04:50,039 --> 02:04:54,399
be Jay, I'm saying that there might be heaven or hell.

2752
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:57,279
I don't know. That's no no, no. You said no

2753
02:04:57,399 --> 02:05:00,319
one knows. Those are tis. I don't know. That's the

2754
02:05:00,359 --> 02:05:02,319
way I answer. You said, no one knows, and now

2755
02:05:02,359 --> 02:05:04,640
you're saying I don't know. Those are two different Nobody knows,

2756
02:05:05,439 --> 02:05:10,279
nobody knows. There might be heaven in Hell?

2757
02:05:11,279 --> 02:05:11,439
Speaker 4: Is it?

2758
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:13,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't neither know. You is it I

2759
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:17,520
don't know? Or nobody knows. Nobody knows. Nobody can provide

2760
02:05:17,560 --> 02:05:20,119
me direct evidence that heaven or hell exists. Nobody can.

2761
02:05:20,199 --> 02:05:22,560
In philosophy, those are two different claims. So which one

2762
02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:26,079
is it? Nobody on the planet that's a human being,

2763
02:05:26,479 --> 02:05:29,880
how do you know that? Nobody? Nobody's presented direct evidence.

2764
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:31,199
That's what that doesn't. That does.

2765
02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:33,000
Speaker 3: That's not a proof that no one knows. That just

2766
02:05:33,039 --> 02:05:36,239
means that in your limited experience empirically, you've never verified that.

2767
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 1: So you don't actually know. No one if you know

2768
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,800
for sure that, So you're assertain things that you don't know.

2769
02:05:41,079 --> 02:05:44,279
Somebody would have to present clear and present evidence. But

2770
02:05:44,399 --> 02:05:46,399
the fact that they have exists. But the fact that

2771
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:48,600
they haven't done it yet doesn't mean that you know

2772
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,319
that no one knows. Then nobody has provided evidence, which

2773
02:05:51,399 --> 02:05:54,279
means nobody. So your argument is a bad argument because

2774
02:05:54,279 --> 02:05:58,199
you can't help me, help me understand them. You believe

2775
02:05:58,239 --> 02:06:01,079
that heaven and Hell exists. When you provide me I'm

2776
02:06:01,119 --> 02:06:03,720
waiting for you to give a good argumenty. I just didn't,

2777
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,319
So I'm asking for right now, Jay, prove me wrong

2778
02:06:06,399 --> 02:06:08,880
right now. You're a Christian. You believe that heaven and

2779
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:12,319
Hell exists. Give me direct evidence right now in your

2780
02:06:12,439 --> 02:06:14,479
belief that heaven and Hell exists.

2781
02:06:14,520 --> 02:06:17,920
Speaker 3: Please, the argument is the impossibility of the contrary. Your

2782
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:21,119
worldview doesn't make sense of knowledge. That question wasn't about worldviewing.

2783
02:06:21,479 --> 02:06:24,000
Hold on, Jay, the argument is a world of the argument.

2784
02:06:24,479 --> 02:06:28,079
My question was argument is a world argument. My question

2785
02:06:28,279 --> 02:06:30,399
wasn't about world views. I'll ask it again.

2786
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,880
Speaker 1: My argument is a worldview argument. So when you ask

2787
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:37,720
me the questions from religion based on religion, so based

2788
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:41,319
on your worldview, is that logic is based on religion. Okay,

2789
02:06:41,439 --> 02:06:43,680
so give me that logic. What is your evidence that

2790
02:06:43,720 --> 02:06:45,960
would lead you to believe from your world is a

2791
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:49,560
logical argument called the transcendental argument. That is the argument. Okay,

2792
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,840
it's just a belief. I believe in the t's a

2793
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:55,079
logical My worldview tells me the tooth very exists, But

2794
02:06:55,159 --> 02:06:57,319
you don't have a basis word my religion tell my

2795
02:06:57,439 --> 02:07:00,680
religion tells my religion tells me that when I lose

2796
02:07:00,720 --> 02:07:03,239
a tooth, I'm going to get a hundred. If you

2797
02:07:03,319 --> 02:07:05,119
if you took a philosophy class, you would learn that

2798
02:07:05,279 --> 02:07:07,720
free will is a metaphysical position that a lot of

2799
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,359
philosophers an atheists. I'm not saying an atheists, but people

2800
02:07:10,520 --> 02:07:13,680
like Daniel Dinnet or Sam Harris, they don't believe in

2801
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:16,319
free will. So I'm just trying to say that you're

2802
02:07:16,359 --> 02:07:19,319
asserting things like free will that you don't have a

2803
02:07:19,359 --> 02:07:22,119
basis for us. So hold on, be thirty seconds here.

2804
02:07:22,840 --> 02:07:25,399
You are making the case, in your opinion, based on

2805
02:07:25,439 --> 02:07:28,680
your lie, I did not opinion hold on worldview that

2806
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,920
heaven and Hell exists. My opinion is I don't know.

2807
02:07:32,520 --> 02:07:35,000
But that's not what you said. Ok You said no

2808
02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:37,279
one knows, which is not an opinion that's a universal No,

2809
02:07:37,439 --> 02:07:39,600
I knows for sure whether that's a universal client. Okay,

2810
02:07:39,640 --> 02:07:42,840
So tell me where you're getting this from your worldview.

2811
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,119
Give me some evidence that heaven and Hell exists. The

2812
02:07:45,319 --> 02:07:50,159
evidence is the logical argument called the transcendental argument, which

2813
02:07:50,439 --> 02:07:53,640
there's not all. So evidence is not just like a

2814
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:57,199
physical object. There are logical arguments that are non physical

2815
02:07:57,279 --> 02:07:59,520
but are also evidences. That's what you're missing in what

2816
02:07:59,560 --> 02:08:03,439
I'm arguing. So uh again again, I go back to

2817
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:05,279
what I said earlier. And this is my issue with

2818
02:08:05,359 --> 02:08:10,239
religion in general. Every religion. You're a religious person, you're religious.

2819
02:08:10,439 --> 02:08:12,119
I never said I was a religious person. No, you're

2820
02:08:12,359 --> 02:08:15,279
rapidly religious about things like free will. What you have

2821
02:08:15,359 --> 02:08:18,000
no basis for. I'm not a religious person and I

2822
02:08:18,039 --> 02:08:19,680
don't believe in the tooth fairy, and I live my

2823
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:22,840
life based on a religion. Free will is like free

2824
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,560
will is this is the same thing as the tooth theory,

2825
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:27,399
the to and the free will are the same. I

2826
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:29,520
live my life based on the way I was raised,

2827
02:08:30,039 --> 02:08:31,920
the way my parents raised me, but none of that,

2828
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:35,840
And I don't religion. I don't hide. I don't hide

2829
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:38,319
behind a religion attacking all gay people, which I believe

2830
02:08:38,319 --> 02:08:41,520
that are attacking. Yeah, you're right, it's emotional, just judging

2831
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:43,319
entire groups of people, which it says don't to do

2832
02:08:43,399 --> 02:08:47,560
in the Bible. You're judging all women are more emotional,

2833
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:50,920
or gay people are sinners. No, these are judgments on

2834
02:08:51,359 --> 02:08:53,680
large groups of people. Your argument right now is an

2835
02:08:53,680 --> 02:09:00,279
emotional appeal, not the statements you are making judgments. Don't

2836
02:09:00,359 --> 02:09:02,279
like it. No, I just think you hide behind your

2837
02:09:02,319 --> 02:09:07,720
religion to defend your biginning. It's not I think. I

2838
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:09,880
think people like fact that you think that I'm doing

2839
02:09:09,960 --> 02:09:13,600
something for bad motives. Yes, I do motive argument which

2840
02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:16,000
is not relevant to why when you judge an entire

2841
02:09:16,119 --> 02:09:19,560
group of people, it's called bigotry and you don't like

2842
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,239
so what in your view? There you go in? Your

2843
02:09:22,319 --> 02:09:25,640
words are all subjective. If it's in your view, it's

2844
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:27,560
subject in your view. It's okay to be a bigot

2845
02:09:28,039 --> 02:09:30,920
in your view, it's okay to judge inconsistent in my view. No,

2846
02:09:31,079 --> 02:09:34,159
you're right, you're you're consistently a bigot. That's what you are.

2847
02:09:34,399 --> 02:09:37,520
Inconsistent in my view. For the used word games, your

2848
02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:41,920
position is inconsistent because you have very consistent You're very consistent.

2849
02:09:42,359 --> 02:09:46,079
I'll explain once again, No, I'm I'm extremely consistent. I

2850
02:09:46,199 --> 02:09:50,359
don't judge people based on sexual orientation. I don't hold on.

2851
02:09:50,600 --> 02:09:53,479
I don't judge people based on color of skin, sexual orientation,

2852
02:09:53,640 --> 02:09:56,239
or gender. I would never tell somebody that doesn't logic.

2853
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,840
I would never tell somebody that doesn't look like me

2854
02:09:59,279 --> 02:10:02,159
that you belong in the kitchen. It's a big for

2855
02:10:02,319 --> 02:10:05,680
your position is what's inconsistent, Not the having a moral

2856
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:09,760
compass and caring about all people. Yeah, not telling other

2857
02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:13,000
people what to do with their lives. Because you're a bigot.

2858
02:10:13,119 --> 02:10:17,119
You tell other people, You make assumptions about people because

2859
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:18,640
they're not like you and they don't look like I

2860
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:21,439
know that you don't like. I understand that it's not

2861
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:25,880
probably most people don't. Most don't like. It's a fallacy.

2862
02:10:27,079 --> 02:10:29,680
All women belong in the kitchen, All gay people are sinners,

2863
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:32,000
they're all bad. Because it's my world view, I hide

2864
02:10:32,039 --> 02:10:34,359
behind my Christianity. I know that heaven and Hell are

2865
02:10:36,479 --> 02:10:40,520
I've given a very simple basis you judged on. I

2866
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,439
don't care whether you think it's full. You're judging me.

2867
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:45,760
You you're judging. You're judging me right now. I'm judging

2868
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:47,960
you right now. You have the right thing you judge,

2869
02:10:49,319 --> 02:10:51,520
you think you judge. That is wrong to be when

2870
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:54,479
you judge a group of people based on their sex

2871
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:58,359
orient No, I don't, because not all Christians think like you. Okay,

2872
02:10:58,399 --> 02:11:00,439
but what's wrong with being a biggot and judge people

2873
02:11:00,479 --> 02:11:01,920
to be a bigot when you don't have a basis

2874
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:05,159
for your understand that therapy, You don't have a basis ethic.

2875
02:11:05,279 --> 02:11:08,840
It's subjective. That's the kills There is no kill shot here.

2876
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:12,079
That's your ethics is admittedly subjective and relativists, and then

2877
02:11:12,119 --> 02:11:14,880
you make it universal. That's a contradiction. You are just

2878
02:11:15,039 --> 02:11:17,520
you did. You said, no one knows I'm painting all

2879
02:11:17,640 --> 02:11:20,039
Christians as this. I never said that. There are plenty

2880
02:11:20,039 --> 02:11:23,319
of that universally wrong to be racist and a bigot? Yeah,

2881
02:11:23,399 --> 02:11:27,640
I think so. Yeah, but your ethics is subjective and relative.

2882
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:30,119
That's a contradiction. I don't think it's subjective at all.

2883
02:11:30,399 --> 02:11:32,560
You already argue for the first hour its subjective. I

2884
02:11:32,640 --> 02:11:34,880
think I think it comes you argued that, well, you'll

2885
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,279
disagree with this, but I think it comes down yourself.

2886
02:11:37,359 --> 02:11:40,039
I think no one, not you said you're making yourself.

2887
02:11:40,159 --> 02:11:42,760
I think you did. You not say your ethics was

2888
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:46,239
in this, in this, in this, in this conversation, multiple times,

2889
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,359
your ethics is not everybody thinks murder is bad, not

2890
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:53,720
everybody thinks rape is bad. That's subjective to okay, thank you.

2891
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:56,119
So it's objective. So if somebody says that it's not

2892
02:11:56,319 --> 02:11:58,800
universally if you said that it's not universally wrong to

2893
02:11:58,840 --> 02:12:01,359
be racist, big If you said to me, no, there

2894
02:12:01,399 --> 02:12:03,520
are people out there that think racism is okay, I

2895
02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:06,560
don't deny that. Okay, but universal doesn't mean are there

2896
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:10,359
people who do otherwise? I said, this is I means stupid.

2897
02:12:10,439 --> 02:12:13,079
This is how stupid this argument is. If I said

2898
02:12:13,119 --> 02:12:15,319
to you right now now, I think it's stupid. If

2899
02:12:15,359 --> 02:12:17,439
I said to you right we don't, I think it's

2900
02:12:17,479 --> 02:12:20,239
very stupid. If I said to you that racism have

2901
02:12:20,640 --> 02:12:23,039
a basis. If I said to you that rape rape

2902
02:12:23,159 --> 02:12:25,920
is bad, you have a basis. For why it's bad.

2903
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:27,720
You don't. I don't have a basis to why, big,

2904
02:12:28,279 --> 02:12:31,199
consistent basis. No, have you seen slavery? You know what

2905
02:12:31,279 --> 02:12:33,600
that was? That bad? When people judged others based on

2906
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:35,600
their skin color and owned humans. It's not relevant to

2907
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:38,920
the ethics of well. First of all, I'm just giving

2908
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,760
you a general term. You just saying things are bad

2909
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:44,920
because these things happened, and that doesn't get you to

2910
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:47,439
an ought. That's why philosophy matters. You need a better

2911
02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:50,279
argument or a basis for why something. So, you need

2912
02:12:50,319 --> 02:12:53,399
a better argument. But yet you're the guy who says

2913
02:12:54,159 --> 02:12:57,800
Trump won the twenty twenty election. You need a better argument.

2914
02:12:57,920 --> 02:13:01,840
Jay says, but yet all would be in the kitchen suspicion.

2915
02:13:03,159 --> 02:13:05,600
For me, it's just a suspicion. I just have a suspicion.

2916
02:13:05,720 --> 02:13:07,199
If you want to argue that your ethics is based

2917
02:13:07,239 --> 02:13:10,960
on suspicions, I'll use your stupid I'll use your stupid

2918
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:12,680
defense and arguments, and I'll turn it right back on you.

2919
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:14,600
But I don't have to have the same justification for

2920
02:13:14,680 --> 02:13:17,840
every position you're justifying. The religion you're justifying. All women

2921
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:22,479
is a philosophy domain. Politics is something I don't really care. Again,

2922
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:26,720
you're taking entire groups of people and all women and this, well, yeah,

2923
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:28,800
I think it makes you there's nothing universe. I think

2924
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:30,920
it's very wrong. That's great that you think that very

2925
02:13:31,239 --> 02:13:33,760
universally wrong. And also, by the way, I'm just conditioned

2926
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:36,119
by determinism to believe it. So what's wrong with that?

2927
02:13:37,039 --> 02:13:39,399
I think you hide behind your religion to hide you.

2928
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,840
I'm actually giving you atheist lines of argumentation, though you're

2929
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:47,079
not an a saying that all women belong in the kitchen.

2930
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:52,960
I'm talking about determinism and the idea that there's free will.

2931
02:13:53,159 --> 02:13:56,119
You believe in a metaphysical fiction that you can't justify

2932
02:13:56,319 --> 02:13:59,159
if your agnostic world is true, called free will? So

2933
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:03,079
other and using your word games, would you agree that Danield,

2934
02:14:03,079 --> 02:14:05,119
Denna and Sam Harris believe that there's no free will?

2935
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:07,600
I haven't talked to them, but they do believe. I

2936
02:14:07,640 --> 02:14:10,239
don't know that. I haven't talked to them. Many philologists,

2937
02:14:10,359 --> 02:14:12,239
many philosophers, do not believe in free will. They think

2938
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:15,199
it's a metaphysical fiction. Fine, So it's like the too

2939
02:14:15,279 --> 02:14:18,479
many bigots don't think that when in the kitchen to theory.

2940
02:14:18,600 --> 02:14:20,479
So I want to know why should I believe in

2941
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:22,760
free will but not God? In your view? You can

2942
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:25,640
believe whatever you want in your view. In my view,

2943
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:28,319
when you judge an entire I've said this like ten times.

2944
02:14:28,319 --> 02:14:29,920
I was that an answer to the question I just asked.

2945
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:32,000
You're not even listening to the question. I'm listening to you,

2946
02:14:32,199 --> 02:14:34,760
and I'm amazed free will is equated to the tooth

2947
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,239
theory and most modern philosophy. Then I want to know

2948
02:14:37,359 --> 02:14:39,520
why is it free will any different than believing in God?

2949
02:14:39,560 --> 02:14:41,479
It's a metaphysical claim. You can I'm not. I'm not

2950
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:43,640
making that argument. You can believe what you want to believe.

2951
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:46,119
You argue that free will makes me liable to belie

2952
02:14:46,279 --> 02:14:49,279
and choosing religion versus gaze and not have a choice. Jay,

2953
02:14:49,359 --> 02:14:52,399
you made the argue. Here's my argument. You're not your religion.

2954
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:56,399
Your argument as I am when you take your religion

2955
02:14:56,680 --> 02:15:01,039
and you treat people differently in you're not listening to me.

2956
02:15:01,600 --> 02:15:03,479
Why do you believe we can keep talking about free will?

2957
02:15:03,479 --> 02:15:07,880
You could listen to my questions for my religious dame. Jay,

2958
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:11,119
just let me get this out. When you when you

2959
02:15:11,359 --> 02:15:16,079
use your religion and treat people in a negative fashion

2960
02:15:16,239 --> 02:15:19,439
because of it, Okay, it's bad for society. Now, in

2961
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,319
this debate, you've talked about what you think is bad

2962
02:15:22,439 --> 02:15:26,680
for society. Believe in two three things. I was making

2963
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:29,079
a joke about that. Now ridiculous are saying that it's

2964
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,319
Totti monster. I don't understand what you're saying, Jay, But

2965
02:15:34,439 --> 02:15:37,600
in my society that I would, Jay, you can believe

2966
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:39,640
whatever you want. Know why should I believe in your

2967
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:41,720
worldview and free will? I think if you're a decent

2968
02:15:41,800 --> 02:15:44,600
human being, you probably should treat people with respect and dignity,

2969
02:15:44,680 --> 02:15:47,399
regardless of whether there's whether the ocation for free will. Okay,

2970
02:15:47,439 --> 02:15:50,239
I'm just telling you right now, I want, I want. Well,

2971
02:15:50,279 --> 02:15:53,079
I'm going to give you my justice. Okay, but that's fine,

2972
02:15:53,159 --> 02:15:56,800
that's not going to give you subjective in your opinion,

2973
02:15:56,840 --> 02:15:58,279
it's not a good argument. But a lot I think

2974
02:15:58,479 --> 02:16:00,560
in logic, if you make a subjective argument, it's not

2975
02:16:00,560 --> 02:16:03,000
a good argument. In your opinion, it's not a good art. Okay, okay,

2976
02:16:03,359 --> 02:16:06,520
But in your opinion that everything's opinion? Excuse me? Is

2977
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,960
it your opinion that everything is an opinion? I don't

2978
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,079
think everything is opinion. There's fact and there's fiction that

2979
02:16:11,159 --> 02:16:12,920
goes along with it. Like Trump didn't win the twenty

2980
02:16:13,119 --> 02:16:15,840
twenty election. That's a fact. That's not an opinion, Jay,

2981
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,319
that's a fact. Trump did not win in twenty twenty.

2982
02:16:18,359 --> 02:16:19,600
So I think you're the one who can't spell the

2983
02:16:19,640 --> 02:16:22,039
word fact. With that being said, when you take an

2984
02:16:22,199 --> 02:16:24,039
entire yeah, yeah, I know you're shaking your head. It

2985
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,119
makes sense. No, it actually makes a lot of sense.

2986
02:16:27,359 --> 02:16:29,920
The Earth is not flat, Jay, And Donald Trump did

2987
02:16:29,960 --> 02:16:32,479
not win the two thousand No, you were. You were

2988
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:34,639
arguing that Trump Trump, but you think Trump won the

2989
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:36,559
two thousand election. So if you're going to talk to

2990
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:41,959
me about fact and total whatsoever, it's actually completely wrong.

2991
02:16:41,959 --> 02:16:44,280
I never argued anything about the physics of the Earth.

2992
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:46,719
I asked you about free will, and you've had no answer. Yeah.

2993
02:16:46,760 --> 02:16:49,200
That is again you're you're missing the entire you believe

2994
02:16:49,239 --> 02:16:51,079
in fairy tale things. I'm just trying to figure out

2995
02:16:51,159 --> 02:16:54,479
why I believe. Why what do I believe that's very

2996
02:16:54,520 --> 02:16:56,879
free will? Tell me what you think free will is, Jay, I.

2997
02:16:56,920 --> 02:16:59,000
Speaker 3: Believe that we're made in God's image and we have

2998
02:16:59,079 --> 02:17:02,040
the ability to choose to is freely morally good or

2999
02:17:02,159 --> 02:17:04,479
evil or this thing or that thing.

3000
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:06,319
Speaker 1: That's what free will is. Now I'm just trying to

3001
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:08,600
figure out if you don't believe in fairy tale things

3002
02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,559
like God, why is free will any different than a

3003
02:17:11,639 --> 02:17:14,159
thing like God. I never said I don't believe in God.

3004
02:17:14,319 --> 02:17:16,280
What I said was but you said, I don't know

3005
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:17,600
if there is I don't know what it is. I

3006
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:19,719
don't know whether there's a God. But you said my

3007
02:17:19,879 --> 02:17:24,040
belief is what you said. What I never said, that

3008
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:26,520
there's no God, But then you said my position was

3009
02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:29,840
fairy tale. Well, what I'm saying is when you make

3010
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:34,079
cases and you talk about homosuality and you know, listen

3011
02:17:34,159 --> 02:17:36,280
to me, when those are mutually exclusive claims, when you

3012
02:17:36,399 --> 02:17:41,559
make generalizations about people were digated positions, Well, I think

3013
02:17:41,559 --> 02:17:43,040
there's something wrong with Well that's great, but you haven't

3014
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:46,120
given a moral basis for White's University. Wrong. Are we

3015
02:17:46,239 --> 02:17:48,639
not all created as equals? Or is that not? No,

3016
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:51,120
we're not all created. I mean, am I equal to

3017
02:17:51,239 --> 02:17:53,920
Kobe Bryant when it comes to physical ability? That that's

3018
02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:56,600
athletic ability. That would have to do with creation of

3019
02:17:56,680 --> 02:17:58,559
my reld view. So okay, Well, I thought we were

3020
02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:02,319
all created as equals, but maybe law but not in

3021
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:09,719
physical cysical abilities. Again, going back to what we said earlier.

3022
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:12,440
Let's wrap this up somewhere going to the final points.

3023
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:17,079
Final points matter. It's just it's just going on. We

3024
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:19,639
are going. We are going a little bit in sort of.

3025
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:24,559
I would agree with closing off. Sure, I'm glad we

3026
02:18:24,680 --> 02:18:29,479
agree on the Epstein funnels. I think that's extremely important. Obviously,

3027
02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:31,760
I would never vote for the orange turret. I disagree

3028
02:18:31,799 --> 02:18:34,959
with you on you haven't give me really any reasons

3029
02:18:35,000 --> 02:18:37,959
why other than you thought Donald Trump what he did,

3030
02:18:38,079 --> 02:18:39,799
what he what he said he was going to do here, here,

3031
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:41,719
and here, and obviously he didn't do a lot of

3032
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:44,639
those things, which clearly are frustrated on. You didn't really

3033
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:46,920
give me many reasons other than Kamala Harris as a woman,

3034
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,120
and clearly you don't want to vote for general Yeah,

3035
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:52,079
I mean, you know, you know, you didn't really give

3036
02:18:52,079 --> 02:18:55,479
me any reasons for that. The reason why I'm not

3037
02:18:55,559 --> 02:18:59,520
an extremely religious person is because of this conversation today.

3038
02:19:01,239 --> 02:19:06,680
I believe, especially in Christianity, people make judgments on other

3039
02:19:06,799 --> 02:19:12,000
people based on their religion because people don't look like them,

3040
02:19:12,239 --> 02:19:15,200
or they don't have the sexuality that they have, or

3041
02:19:15,559 --> 02:19:17,559
they're a woman. I also don't like the fact that

3042
02:19:17,639 --> 02:19:19,959
women and men are separated in synagogue. I don't like

3043
02:19:20,040 --> 02:19:23,000
that either. I don't like it in any religion. That's

3044
02:19:23,040 --> 02:19:25,760
why I'm not an extremely religious person. It comes down

3045
02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,479
to me wanting to just treat people the same and

3046
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:31,200
with respect, regardless of what religion they are. I don't

3047
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:34,239
like to judge people, even if you're wearing a maga hat. Okay,

3048
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:36,959
I'm not going to immediately assume that you're a racist

3049
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:41,879
or atrocious human being. And I think it's important in society.

3050
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:45,159
If you want to talk about society falling, I'm less

3051
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:48,239
concerned about immigrants in this country documented and not more

3052
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:52,799
concerned about people that judge other people, or people that

3053
02:19:52,879 --> 02:19:54,920
are so upset. And I would assume you were one

3054
02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:56,840
of them that was so upset at what Don Lemon

3055
02:19:56,879 --> 02:19:59,719
did going into that church and disrupting a church service. Well.

3056
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:03,840
I don't condone people protesting on private property. I think

3057
02:20:03,879 --> 02:20:06,639
that's wrong, it's against the law. But I find ice

3058
02:20:06,719 --> 02:20:10,040
agents murdering people in the streets a little bit more upsetting.

3059
02:20:10,559 --> 02:20:13,440
We need to have the separation between church and state,

3060
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:16,040
which clearly we don't have in Washington, DC right now.

3061
02:20:16,280 --> 02:20:18,239
And I think the people that want the ten commandments

3062
02:20:18,280 --> 02:20:20,239
in classrooms are people that don't abide by the ten

3063
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:26,079
commandments themselves. They break those commandments themselves, Hence the word hypocrite.

3064
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:28,760
I did not come here to change your mind or

3065
02:20:28,799 --> 02:20:31,079
try to convince you on anything. I understand that's your

3066
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:34,399
objective when you go to debates. I came here to

3067
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:37,840
give you my opinions, my views on a number of

3068
02:20:37,879 --> 02:20:41,040
different issues. Some we agree on, obviously a lot we

3069
02:20:41,159 --> 02:20:47,520
disagree on. I think we've stopped listening to other people.

3070
02:20:47,639 --> 02:20:49,879
This is why I do enjoy doing these kinds of things.

3071
02:20:50,920 --> 02:20:53,159
But I think as a whole, we stop listening to

3072
02:20:53,200 --> 02:20:55,079
other people. People that look differently than you and me,

3073
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:58,600
people that have different pathways in life, people that have

3074
02:20:59,159 --> 02:21:02,520
been brought up differently in different cultures, different backgrounds. I'd

3075
02:21:02,559 --> 02:21:04,120
like to think, as a whole, most human beings are

3076
02:21:04,159 --> 02:21:06,079
good people. And then when we have issues and bad

3077
02:21:06,159 --> 02:21:08,159
things that happen like nine to eleven and other issues,

3078
02:21:09,000 --> 02:21:12,239
that the country comes together, even if it's only a week.

3079
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:17,959
But this is what I do, and this is what

3080
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:21,719
I preach, and I'm not trying to change people's opinions.

3081
02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:24,799
People can have their own opinions and judgments about this debate.

3082
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,360
If you're a fan of Jay Dyer, they're going to

3083
02:21:27,399 --> 02:21:29,120
agree with you. If they're a fan of my show,

3084
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:30,959
they're going to That's what. I don't really care about

3085
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:36,239
that stuff. Other people do. It's just not me. I'm glad,

3086
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:39,680
like I said in closing Land my Plan, Sorry, I'm

3087
02:21:39,680 --> 02:21:41,440
glad we agree on the Epstein files. I'm glad we

3088
02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:44,680
agree on some of the Trump stuff. That's refreshing. Obviously

3089
02:21:44,760 --> 02:21:46,840
we disagree a little bit on religion. But here's the difference. Like,

3090
02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:48,680
I would never tell you what to do. I would

3091
02:21:48,719 --> 02:21:50,719
never tell you what to believe. I would never tell

3092
02:21:50,760 --> 02:21:53,399
you that you can't think of something, even though I

3093
02:21:53,479 --> 02:21:55,319
might hate the way you think, even though I might

3094
02:21:55,440 --> 02:21:57,479
hate your opinions on certain things. I would never say, Jay,

3095
02:21:57,719 --> 02:21:59,639
you are not allowed to think like that, even though

3096
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:01,200
I hate the fact that you think women should be

3097
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,040
in the kitchen. I would say, you know what, we

3098
02:22:03,159 --> 02:22:05,239
have something called freedom of speech in this country. And

3099
02:22:05,319 --> 02:22:07,840
if women you're you're clearly a married man, Clearly it's

3100
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,879
working out well for you. I would assume, which which

3101
02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:12,399
is great. But you know, I would never tell you

3102
02:22:12,559 --> 02:22:15,079
that you can't think that way. I think that's fundamentally

3103
02:22:15,200 --> 02:22:20,479
very important. So anyway, thanks Jay for doing this discussion.

3104
02:22:20,680 --> 02:22:22,319
There wasn't too torturous for you, and I don't think

3105
02:22:22,360 --> 02:22:24,719
you're a bad guy. It was a civil, lively discussion.

3106
02:22:24,959 --> 02:22:27,319
I enjoyed it. Go ahead, shut up.

3107
02:22:27,360 --> 02:22:29,399
Speaker 3: I would just say, yeah, I appreciate Brian coming. It

3108
02:22:29,520 --> 02:22:32,399
was a great discussion. Thank you Sean for this opportunity.

3109
02:22:32,440 --> 02:22:35,319
Speaker 1: It was good. Yeah, I feel like, uh, you know,

3110
02:22:35,559 --> 02:22:37,760
there was common ground with the Epstein stuff, with uh,

3111
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:40,959
you know, criticisms of Trump's turn worn Iran. All that

3112
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:44,399
was was good. I would just you know, again, stress

3113
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:47,440
that when it comes to debate, My take on debate

3114
02:22:47,600 --> 02:22:49,959
is that it's more like a chess game, not in

3115
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:52,079
the sense of it being frivolous or a game, but

3116
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:54,959
that it has rules and it has boundaries.

3117
02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:57,840
Speaker 3: And it has limitations that define it being chess and

3118
02:22:57,959 --> 02:23:00,440
not checkers or some other games. So when we come

3119
02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:02,600
to debate, we have to be able to abide by

3120
02:23:02,680 --> 02:23:04,639
the rules, and those are the laws of logic, which

3121
02:23:04,639 --> 02:23:07,520
are essentially the laws of critical thinking. The laws of

3122
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,360
logic dictate debate, because that's how we know when somebody's

3123
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:12,760
not playing chess anymore and they're doing something else, so

3124
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:14,440
we have to play by the rules. I think that

3125
02:23:14,559 --> 02:23:16,319
Brian didn't play with the rules for the most of

3126
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:18,799
the debate when it came to the issues of justifying

3127
02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:21,399
the morals, or when it came to the issues of say,

3128
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:24,799
free will being a metaphysical claim, which again to me

3129
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:27,600
is no different than the type of claim that God's

3130
02:23:27,639 --> 02:23:30,600
existence is. So that's when it gets into the domain

3131
02:23:30,600 --> 02:23:34,040
of philosophy. So again, I'm not used to political debates.

3132
02:23:34,120 --> 02:23:37,879
This is probably, I think, my first political politics debate.

3133
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:40,440
So I'm again glad for Brian Viers always, I think.

3134
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:42,000
So I can't think of another one. I've done a

3135
02:23:42,040 --> 02:23:43,319
lot of you know, he's.

3136
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:45,319
Speaker 1: A lot of we've done Islam, atheism, but I don't

3137
02:23:45,319 --> 02:23:47,920
think I've debated politics until now. But could you do

3138
02:23:48,040 --> 02:23:52,680
me a favor, Alex I said, Hello, okay, anyway, Jay

3139
02:23:52,760 --> 02:23:53,000
diy Er.

3140
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:54,399
Speaker 3: You can find me on YouTube, you can find me

3141
02:23:54,520 --> 02:23:57,000
on Twitter, Instagram, all those check them.

3142
02:23:56,959 --> 02:23:58,879
Speaker 1: Out, guys, we'll link everything below. Comment below who you

3143
02:23:58,920 --> 02:24:04,040
want to see next, y'all? Next time? Good job? How

3144
02:24:04,079 --> 02:24:05,719
long was that? Two hours? Two hours and a half.

3145
02:24:06,239 --> 02:24:07,040
That was my longest debate