WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 Big Food and Beyond. 2 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:08.320 With Cliff and Bubo. 3 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like to subscribe and 4 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:19.879 read it. I'm star and meon Grates on us today 5 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:25.359 listening watching limb always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.440 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay. 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:33.759 Greetings everyone, This is Matt Pruitt. Just wanted to hop 8 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:35.759 on and give you a quick introduction to the episode 9 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:37.799 that you're about to hear. You know, over the years 10 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:39.880 that we've been doing these Q and A episodes, we've 11 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.960 gotten a lot of submissions from people asking for book recommendations, 12 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:47.280 you know, required reading, essential reading, things of that nature. 13 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:51.000 And so in October of twenty twenty three, Cliff, Bobo 14 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.960 and myself recorded in an episode for our members only podcast, Beyond, 15 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.520 Bigfoot and Beyond, dedicated to some of our favorite books 16 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.320 about the Sasquatch and other really to topics. When I 17 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:03.920 was compiling the questions for the January twenty twenty five 18 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:05.959 Q and A episode, we had quite a few more 19 00:01:06.159 --> 00:01:08.840 requests for book recommendations, so I thought it'd be a 20 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.200 good idea to take the members only episode that we 21 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:14.519 recorded back in October twenty three and release that here 22 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.680 on the main feed, So you're going to hear a 23 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:21.000 member's only episode being released here on our main podcast 24 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:23.599 feed for the first time. And we also compiled a 25 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.280 list of all the books that are mentioned in this episode. 26 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:28.200 So if you click the link in the show notes 27 00:01:28.239 --> 00:01:31.280 to our Patreon to the membership section, you'll see that 28 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.120 post available there if you want to see all the 29 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:35.120 books listed in one place, so you don't have to 30 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:37.680 write them down if you're driving or traveling or anything 31 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:40.319 of that nature. So hope you enjoyed this episode that 32 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:43.079 we originally recorded for our members, and hope you find 33 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:46.799 the recommendations useful. So we're thinking that maybe we could 34 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:50.560 just wrap about some of our favorite Sasquatch related books 35 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.799 because we're still getting so many questions about what books 36 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:56.680 would we recommend to people. Yeah, remember we talked about 37 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.400 like the Klobo's Book Club, which we will do deep 38 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:02.239 dives in the future on specific books, but maybe for 39 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.719 now we just talk about our top three or top 40 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.319 five recommendations that you would offer to people those sorts 41 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:09.159 of things. 42 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.400 Okay, cool, Well, what would you recommend We've already started recording. 43 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:17.520 Oh, okay, there's a wide range people people that have 44 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.000 like a extensive bigfoot libraries of their own personal books. 45 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.039 And then there's people that just kind of are fans 46 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.240 of the show that don't really have any So I 47 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:27.120 guess who we start with. 48 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.000 That well, I'd say, just yeah, just choose one, I think. 49 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.879 And because you know, there's been people, there are people 50 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:34.919 who have been into this thing for a while, and 51 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.039 maybe they haven't read the book you're mentioning because they 52 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:40.000 a different book got them going. 53 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.400 You know, yeah, I think, you know, I think, well, 54 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:44.520 I mean, if you're a reader, I mean, if you 55 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.120 should read one book, i'd say prove it the phenomenal 56 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.199 Sasquash if you want to really kind of go through it. 57 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.280 And I enjoyed the historical I love the historical parts 58 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.599 of it. And I think if you start with Sanderson, 59 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.039 you know, back in sixty one, nineteen sixty one, I 60 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:59.800 think that's a great place to start. 61 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.120 It is. But I don't like his writing style. You don't, no, no, 62 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.199 I don't like it. It's a little archaic and weird 63 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:06.400 to me. 64 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:07.919 I kind of like that about it. 65 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:09.719 I like the book, don't get me wrong. It has 66 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:12.159 a lot of great information in it, but that's not 67 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.400 it doesn't flow easily from the page to my brain. 68 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:17.360 I would agree with that. And a lot of the 69 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.879 language is sort of archaic because you know, we were 70 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:22.840 still in like the figurative dark ages of understanding of 71 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.879 apes and hominoid evolution, and a lot of the fossils 72 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:29.280 that are relevant hadn't even been found yet, and so 73 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.439 there's a lot of things that are a bit outdated 74 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:35.439 in terms of the unfolding discovery of the history of 75 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:39.759 pre human ancestors and human relatives. But yeah, I would 76 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.080 that is one of my top five for sure. 77 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:44.680 But it gives you an idea like what people were 78 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.479 like when you read the next books, like this is 79 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:48.719 what they're like, this is the first thing they went 80 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.479 off of. You know, it kind of just gives you. 81 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.960 It lets you into the mindset of the people of 82 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.199 the time and when you factor and how would they 83 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.240 do about what you just the things you just mentioned, 84 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:02.479 how little was done in Garston nowadays, Like how the 85 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:05.199 thought process that came to their conclusions and stuff is 86 00:04:05.639 --> 00:04:06.960 I think pretty fascinating. 87 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.960 Oh, I would agree with that. I think it's good 88 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:11.639 to visit after maybe, I mean, to me, I would 89 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:14.919 always recommend starting with greens Apes among Us, that would 90 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.040 be the first ultimate first book. 91 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:19.480 See, I don't even know if I would agree with that. Well, 92 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:21.879 you were wrong, Cliff, Well, I could very well be wrong. 93 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:26.399 But here perfect here, But here's my complaint about it. 94 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.399 I love the first half or more of it, but 95 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:32.519 by the time you're getting two thirds of the way through, 96 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.680 it comes down. Apes among Us turns into the thing 97 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:39.399 on February ninth, nineteen seventy four, so and so and 98 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:42.439 wherever Kentucky and saw one run across the road. Bubba, 99 00:04:42.480 --> 00:04:45.000 it was brown. And then the next paragraph is a 100 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.399 different rattling of statistics. You know, it kind of runs. 101 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:51.800 At some point, it seems to me that Apes among 102 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.800 Us and I love the book, it's a great book. 103 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:55.839 I'm not bashing it. But if I have a complaint 104 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.600 about it, which I kind of do, it turns into 105 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:03.480 a rattling of this happened, this happened, this happen, and 106 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.959 it kind of loses the narrative thread that I felt 107 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.199 that really held it together for the first part of 108 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:12.120 the book. Yeah yeah, I mean, am I raw? I mean, 109 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:13.439 like you agree with But what about you, Matt. I 110 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.199 know that you're that's a that's your number one go 111 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:18.600 to book. Am I off base on that? Or what 112 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:19.959 are your opinion? What's your opinion on that? 113 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.040 I think he does a really good job. First of all, 114 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.639 he's such a reliable narrator, and he has a much 115 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.160 more accessible writing style than most because he was an 116 00:05:27.199 --> 00:05:29.839 Ivy League educated journalist and so he was a great writer, 117 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.879 and he had sort of an editorial mind as a writer, 118 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.319 which is probably extremely helpful, you know, for writing a 119 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:38.319 book as big as that is. I like the way 120 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:40.399 it's broken out, you know, it does become sort of 121 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.839 a presentation of various cases, especially because essentially you have 122 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:50.160 those beginning portions where he's like introducing the subject, talking 123 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.360 about the historical record, and then his sort of entry 124 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.240 through the centennial Sasquatch, Hunt, Bluff Creek, the classics Patterson. 125 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.399 But then it does sort of move into these regional 126 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:03.680 breakouts of reports that have occurred. So there's you know, 127 00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:07.519 like the Mississippi water Web, Wolli Booger is, the Canadian scene, 128 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:10.439 Eastern action. But once he gets through that, then it 129 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.639 shifts back into like, all right, there's a chapter about footprints, 130 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.720 where are the bones, screams in the night, you know, vocals. 131 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:19.040 Yeah, the statistical analysis that stuff is cool. But in 132 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.240 the middle there, I think it gets trapped in this quagmire. 133 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:22.519 You know it does. 134 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.600 But I think for a lot of people who are 135 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.959 new ish to the subject, it's really enlightening for them 136 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:31.240 to see the number of people across North America that 137 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.720 were reporting these things even in the mid twentieth century 138 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.879 and all the things that we think of now, because 139 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:41.079 it's really easy to get stuck in modern times. And 140 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:43.839 I did this with Sanderson's book too, where things would 141 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:47.240 sort of emerge out of reports that seemed new to me, 142 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:49.439 and then I would revisit Sanderson and go, oh, he 143 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.120 picked up on that same pattern in sixty one, where 144 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.240 you see, oh Green picked up on this same pattern 145 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.120 in the late sixties or early seventies. And so that's 146 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.240 sort of a reinforcing thing to think that the some 147 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.519 of the things that feel like newer discoveries, like twenty 148 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:08.040 first century discoveries, were actually present even back then, which 149 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.639 strengthens the case for the reality of the subject right 150 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:12.560 right now. 151 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:16.800 If I had to modify this at all, see, I 152 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.160 wouldn't go to apes among us first, I would go 153 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.879 to the best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, which of course is 154 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:25.480 a compilation of John's three other books that those smaller 155 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.839 pamphlet books. I find those to be more readable and digestible. 156 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:30.959 And the fact that they were all put together into 157 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:35.639 one book by Hancock House Press, The Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot, 158 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.480 I think that would be my go to John Green 159 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.639 book for the Newbiet because that covers a lot of 160 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.680 the historic stuff, the foundational things in Bluff Creek and 161 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.040 British Columbia, the stuff the early things that John everybody 162 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.839 else looked into. But and of course Apes among Us 163 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.199 is the next step after that. See, I would have 164 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.680 gone to Best of Sasquatch Bigfoot first for that reason, 165 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.120 because at that point Apes among Us build upon best 166 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.399 of you know these other books. You know, you're the Sasquatch, 167 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.319 and then the other ones that are escaping me right 168 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:07.079 now you know what they are. 169 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:08.480 No, that's a great point. 170 00:08:08.600 --> 00:08:08.800 See. 171 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.680 I started. The first book I read was Crets's book, 172 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:15.439 and so it was very because I hadn't studied any 173 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.639 like evolutionary biology or anthropology at that point, and so 174 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.959 it was very difficult because I just that was like 175 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:27.560 first contact with a lot of those terms, and I 176 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.600 still love that book, and I revisited a lot, and 177 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:34.879 so Green's was more like, I'm following a reliable narrator 178 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.919 who's walking me through this whole world that is the 179 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.360 Sasquatch subject. And so yeah, I do think that's a 180 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.919 great point though, that the best of Bigfoot Sasquatch would 181 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.600 be a great one. Another great one is Chris Murphy's 182 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.559 Either Meet the Sasquatch or the second edition Know the Sasquatch, 183 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.440 because there's just so much. There's a lot of information there, 184 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.240 but you will never find a better collection of images. 185 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:58.919 Yeah, it's the perfect coffee table book on sasquatch. Honestly beautiful, 186 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.240 glossy book. The pictures are all in color, or at 187 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.679 least the ones that were taken in color originally are 188 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.639 all in color, because there's certainly black and white photographs 189 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:10.600 in there. And it's big, it's glossy, it's very very visual. 190 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:12.480 There's a lot of but despite the fact that it's 191 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.399 very visual pact full of pictures, there's a lot of 192 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:19.840 really great informational texts in there as well. Yeah, And 193 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.639 they have the text and the information combined with the photographs. 194 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.519 It's a really powerful thing. It's just fantastic and and 195 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:31.080 a lot of people may not remember, but there it 196 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.879 was originally published I think with the like a leather 197 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:38.840 bound cover or something like that. Really yeah, and it 198 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:40.399 was also in a hardback I don't know if you 199 00:09:40.440 --> 00:09:42.960 guys have the hardback version or not. I have an 200 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:46.639 autographed hard cover by and you know John Green and 201 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.080 Steinberg and Murphy, they all autographed that one that was 202 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.759 the original one. But I couldn't have. I believe that 203 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.080 there was a leather bound edition as well. 204 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:58.559 Oh I did have that. I think I still have it. 205 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:00.720 You should, I hope. So it's probably worth quite a bit. 206 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:02.759 I think I paid one hundred and fifty for it. 207 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:05.360 You know, you have a hell of a book collection, Boves, 208 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:08.360 you really do. Steven Stroyford, who the owner of the 209 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.639 establishment that was once so it's called big Foot Books, 210 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:12.639 said you were his best customer there for a long time. 211 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.039 Yeah. I spent four grand in there in one year. 212 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.039 Geez geez, Well what was some of the walkaways you got? 213 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:18.200 Man? 214 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.240 What would would you walk away with? 215 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.759 Just like first edition stuff like rare stuff. 216 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:26.679 Yeah, and this all goes in You're safe, right, Yeah? 217 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:28.320 I had more, but I gave him I gave him 218 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:29.120 away his presence. 219 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.600 Yeah, you're kind of like that. You're generous to a 220 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:36.000 fault if I don't say so myself. Yeah, but you 221 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:41.200 mentioned Krantz's book. That Krantz's book was really influential upon me. 222 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.519 It wasn't the first big Foot book I ran across. 223 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:45.879 I think one of John Green's, one of the paperback ones. 224 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.279 I don't remember which one on the Track of the 225 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.440 Sasquatch or You're the Track Sasquatch or something like that. 226 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.639 Those may have been amongst the first, because I remember 227 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.360 looking through the college library that I often mentioned is 228 00:10:57.360 --> 00:10:58.919 what kind of got me into this, And I think 229 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:00.720 I ran across thows and oh this is kind of 230 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.799 interesting and kind of started leafing through it, you know, 231 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:06.759 or the Sasquatch file. That's the last one I finally 232 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:09.919 came to me. It was kind of like looking at 233 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:11.799 those and oh, this is interesting, and then I ran 234 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.960 across it was either Mysterious Monsters on Trial or no, no, 235 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.480 is that right? Mysterious Monsters on Trial? That's right, like 236 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.720 monster man like okay, the other yeah, another m word 237 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:25.360 man like Monsters on Trial? Or was it there was 238 00:11:25.360 --> 00:11:28.440 one called Sasquatch and that's always called at a yellow cover. 239 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.519 I think A Mrcotic was his name. He was one 240 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:33.399 of the It was a compilation of journal articles written 241 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.600 by scientists. Yeah, and Krantz was a co editor on 242 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:38.200 one of those, I think. 243 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.360 Yeah, he submitted some of those papers. So yeah, there's 244 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:42.840 the big compendiums. Yeah, or the scientists look at the 245 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.879 sasquatch one and two man like monsters on trial and 246 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:49.120 then the sasquatch and other hominidsmids. 247 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:53.879 Yeah, that was my baptism into the science of bigfoot. 248 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.120 I think I might have like perused through some of 249 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:58.120 the sighting reports in the John Green book, But when 250 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:02.200 I started reading those cover to cover multiple times, that 251 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:04.559 really struck me. That really really struck me, as like, 252 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.919 holy crap, these things are real. You're kidding me. 253 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:07.559 Yeah. 254 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.799 I revisit those a lot, and you know, I reference 255 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:13.519 those in writing the book too. And I'm the Krantz 256 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.240 book too. I love It just wasn't the best first 257 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.399 contact for a kid from North Georgia, you know what 258 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:18.799 I mean. 259 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.080 I suppose you really read down there. 260 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:25.840 Well, it was sort of like a calling to Okay, 261 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.440 well I need to learn these things. And I rose 262 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.679 to the challenge of trying to be more equip more 263 00:12:32.720 --> 00:12:36.720 well equipped to make sense of everything. So those sorts 264 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.960 of like, that's why I really enjoyed challenging reads or 265 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.360 technical reads, because it's an opportunity to learn. But in 266 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.039 terms of yeah, I think I came to it expecting 267 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.720 a different thing that I eventually found in apes among 268 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.320 us I had. 269 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.799 I still have my weather beaten copy of the Krantz Book. 270 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.360 I would take that to Bluff Creek every time I went, 271 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.240 starting in nineteen ninety three or four whenever that I 272 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:02.759 think was four, and when I started going, Yeah, it 273 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.639 was nineteen ninety four when I started going to Bluff Creek. Yeah, 274 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:08.399 and I just beat the crap. 275 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:08.679 Out of that book. 276 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.759 It's like missing a cover, I think maybe the title, 277 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:15.679 page two. Just that poor book has been all over 278 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.480 the place with me. I used to take it and 279 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.720 read it on the trips, read it at night, read it. 280 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.639 And I probably have read that book, The Krantz Book, 281 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.639 probably no less than thirty times, wow, and probably much 282 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.879 closer to fifty because I would just plow through that 283 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:32.919 thing once or twice a year. You know, I've been 284 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.399 doing this for twenty nine years now. So like assuming 285 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:38.039 that in the early days, if I'd read that book 286 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.639 three or four times in a year, or in certain 287 00:13:40.679 --> 00:13:42.440 chapters more than others, by the way, maybe I wouldn't 288 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:44.480 do it cover to cover. I've been through that an 289 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:47.600 awful lot, an awful lot. It's very very influential upon me. 290 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:50.360 It has as flaws, of course, but it was very 291 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.080 very influential upon me realizing that, like, oh, yeah, you 292 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.720 can do stuff. Because I've always been interested in amateur science. 293 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.879 I'm an amateur astronomer. I've got a pretty good telescope, 294 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.240 for example, and I love that. I'm certainly an amateur 295 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.279 marine biologist, which is hence my love of fishing in general. 296 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:08.440 And I saw that there was a niche, there was 297 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.440 a place for amateurs here to contribute, because frankly, the 298 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.840 academics aren't carrying their weight. They aren't doing what they're 299 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:17.519 supposed to be doing, which is following their curiosity to 300 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:21.039 the extent they find answers. Therefore it's up to us. 301 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:23.759 And when I started reading about the science that was 302 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:26.759 being done, it's, oh, my gosh, what an opportunity here, 303 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.879 What an opportunity to possibly contribute just a little tiny 304 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.600 bit for the good of a subject that is larger 305 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:32.879 than me. 306 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:33.519 Oh. 307 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:39.080 Absolutely, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff 308 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:46.519 and Bobo will be right back after these messages. But 309 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.720 were you starting to notice a thinning hair? 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But 345 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.320 it's tricky because when they do pop up, they go 346 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.279 for so much money. But his second book, The Discovery 347 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.840 of the Sasquatch, is probably my personal favorite book ever 348 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:53.000 written on the subject. 349 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:58.840 It's almost like a survey of the philosophy of science itself. 350 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:03.000 In a lot of ways, it's very conceptual, very philosophical, 351 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.559 but he does present a lot of factual information to 352 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:09.920 be derived from reports and from the physical evidence, and 353 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.799 so it's sort of the blending of both of those 354 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.720 sort of worlds of the hard evidence, let's say, combined 355 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.880 with the anecdotal evidence and ey witness testimony, but various 356 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:21.440 philosophies of science. And he makes just such a great 357 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.480 case about how could these things be real and yet unrecognized? 358 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:29.079 And I think that book's an incredible contribution. I wish 359 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:31.480 they would put it in a kindle format so more 360 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:35.799 people could access it. Leela Hodgschik's Ford is an excellent 361 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.519 essay too. I mean that Ford alone is awesome, you know. 362 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:40.480 I wish that would get digitized and put on the 363 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.000 internet as a standalone document for people to read. But 364 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.720 his first book's amazing too, which is The Sasquatch North 365 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:50.720 America's Grade eight. But it's very, very difficult to find, 366 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.799 but readers could get the Discovery of the Sasquatch from 367 00:17:53.799 --> 00:17:57.920 Amazon still, but hopefully they'll put those in digital format. 368 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:01.480 The problem with a lot of the Sasquatch ClassX. Now, 369 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:03.880 those two Bender Nooggles books were published through a company 370 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.599 called Beachcomber, so I don't know what their process is. 371 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.720 Like, I think that was the Bendernaggles thing. I think 372 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:10.000 they kind of self published it. 373 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.880 Yeah, I said him and his wife. 374 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:16.319 Because Hancock House, what they've done for most of their 375 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:21.839 titles is to scan and upload the books as PDF images. 376 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.920 So usually if you're in an ebook format, it's a 377 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.200 text file so you can search within it, which is amazing, 378 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.160 or you can highlight notes and export those or just 379 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.039 go to your highlighted sections. But literally, if you get 380 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.960 Apes among Us or Krantz's book on Kindle or ebook format, 381 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.680 there are image files of the pages, so they're very 382 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.960 you can't highlight notes, you can't they're not searchable, which 383 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.279 is a little frustrating because that's part of the benefit 384 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.079 of reading the e book versions. So maybe they'll do 385 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:52.960 something about that at some point in the future. But 386 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.680 I would definitely if I had to pick one for 387 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:59.359 me that was a personal favorite, it would without it 388 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:00.960 out be the just Iver read the Sasquatch. 389 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.920 Well, you know, if we're talking about Bender Nogul and Krantz, 390 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:05.559 we have to talk about Meldrum's book. 391 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:06.319 Absolutely. 392 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.680 Yeah, Meldrum's book is just fantastic. It's the number one 393 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.880 book I recommend to people. I mean, I'm clearly a 394 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:14.960 Krantz site, you know, like if you're if you're I 395 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.880 always I think I might may have said this before, 396 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:18.880 but if you're looking at the four horsemen, I think 397 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.759 most people kind of fall in line behind one of them. 398 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.079 And I definitely find fall in line behind Krantz, and 399 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.960 Meldrum is the next in line in that same line. 400 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:29.839 Indeed, I'm a Greenian. 401 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:30.519