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Hope you're having a great Christmas, and I hope this

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upcoming year is so much better than this past one was.

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It's been a rough one, it really has been. Well,

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I can't thank you enough for joining us for the

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special Christmas Night episode of the show. I really appreciate

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you being here and tuning in. I really do you.

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Onto the topic of tonight's show. Growing up, we have

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had so many experiences, innocent experiences where you've just gone

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off and all you had to worry about was being

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a kid. Well, just imagine, as I'm sure a lot

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of us have, going out into the woods on our own.

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Some of us actually did some camping on our own

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as kids. Others only snuck away during the daytime and

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roamed around in the woods. Well, imagine what it would

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be like if something broke the innocence of doing that

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sort of thing. Very few of us have had anything

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like that happen, Thank goodness too. But just imagine how

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that kind of an experience might affect you. If you

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were shown at such an early age that monsters actually

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do exist, it would just make things totally different for

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you than how they would be in most cases as

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you're growing up and maturing. Well, Tonight's guest he's had

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more than one encounter, but his first encounter is basically

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laid out. Like I just mentioned, he was camping when

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the experience, the first experience happened, and on tonight's show,

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we're going to get into details with him on how

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it affected him and of course how it played out

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well without any further ado, let's get him in here

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now so we can get to it. Tonight's guest is

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Mason Evans. Mason, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Hey Vic, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, we appreciate your time. Mason, please

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give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: My name is Mason Evans. I live in Kolcaska, Michigan.

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As of now, I work as a construction worker. I

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grew up lived in the woods my entire life. I

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lived in Boyne City until I was about ten years old,

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lived out in the woods there and then moved to

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Traverse City out off Supply Road on Island Lake, where

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I spent the next ten years of my life. And yeah,

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pretty much like riding dirt bikes and fishing and just

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being out in the woods since that's all we were

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surrounded by. And so a few houses down for me,

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there was this kid playing on the beach and my

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mom got me to go over there and finally talk

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to him, and he ended up me and my best friend.

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His name's Billy, and me and him would just hang

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out pretty much every day after school and just do

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our thing and you know, enjoy the outdoors.

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Speaker 2: Well that's a great waste, so grow up. That's a

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really good way to do it.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good childhood, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. How old were you when

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you had that first experience?

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Speaker 1: I think I was fifteen.

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Speaker 2: You were fifteen. Can you point to anything in your life,

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any effects that you think are definitely attributable to that encounter.

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Speaker 1: That you had, You know, like my mom used to

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tell me that I used to have dreams of like

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wolves walking on two feet and stuff. And then I remember,

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you know, when I was a young kid, the Michigan

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dog Man song came out and that song just really

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gave me the heavy gbis. I don't know why I did,

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but it did. And that's kind of when my for

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me that you know, I used to have nightmares of

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similar things like this, and so I always thought that

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was kind of strange, but you know, never it always

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scared me. But you know, never seen anything and heard

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anything until I did.

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Speaker 2: Did those nightmares not start about upright, Keennits until after

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you had that first experience?

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Speaker 1: No, I was before.

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Speaker 2: Before. It makes you wonder if you might have been

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destined to have those encounters. Do you subscribe to that idea?

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Speaker 1: I sure do, I really do.

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Speaker 2: You might be right about that. You want to consider

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the strange ways that these guys affect eyewitnesses, apparently entering

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their sleep and causing them to have nightmares. Who's to

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say they couldn't enter your sleep and then fluid to

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you before you had that encounter because somehow, some way

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they knew that the encounters were going to happen. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure is, and looking back on it, it

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sure seems to be that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it does, doesn't it. How close were you to

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the up when this happened.

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or might not come as a surprise TOEA that there

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are quite a few people, even in Michigan who think

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that there are no dog men in the lower part.

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They're only found in the Upper Peninsula. Did you know that.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people there think that for whatever reason.

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But there's this idea that in Michigan the only place

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is in the up But yeah, that couldn't be further

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from the truth. There's tons of forest in the lower

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep, there sure is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. When when you had your encounter, if I

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remember correctly, you said you're about a mile from your home.

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Speaker 1: So? I lived on a little private lake called Island Lake,

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and it's completely surrounded by woods and the main road

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that runs from Traverse City out to like South Boreman

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and then you know, any other like bigger towns from there.

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a pretty big plot of just what it is. And

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I was pretty much smack dab in the center of it.

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you know, walk on, ride our dirt bikes or bikes on,

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and just rate right from our driveway. Pretty much there

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was trails and that's pretty much where we would spend

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our all of our hours that we could, was out

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there in the woods.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't blame you at all. Yeah, that's where

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I would be. You talked about a perfect place for

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a dog me in to scratch out a living. Doesn't

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get any better than that.

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Speaker 1: No, it's really it's perfect spot. There's going to be one,

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you know. It's where you would think it would be.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I definitely no doubt about that. All right there, Mason,

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Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us ever

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: So, h Billy and I we were out well, we

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would have this We had this shooting range set up

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that my dad, he like, built the stand for us

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and we would all go out there and shoot guns

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and stuff. It is probably a one hundred and fifty

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yard like valley pretty much. And so when we weren't

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shooting guns out there or something. That was just kind

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of just our hangout spot that we would go out to.

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driver even had cell phones, we could pretty much count

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on one of our friends or one of us being

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out there. There's probably five or six of us that

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all lived in the area. So we just migrated out

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there and we had tents set up, we had a

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little fire pit, and that's just where we would spend

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our time on our summer break. And so one night,

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you know, not it's just like any other night. Billy

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and I were just out there by ourselves, and we're

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sleeping in this tent and in my dream, so I'm

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like hearing something in my dream that caught my attention,

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some noise, and it woke me up. So I'm laying

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there just not knowing if it was the dream or

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what was going on yet. And then I heard the

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noise and I yelled, hey, Billy. I was like, you

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hear that, and he says, yeah, I've been listening to

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it for a half hour now, and I'm like, oh geez.

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road that was probably three chords to a mile away

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running lake road, and it was like the most horrific

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sound I had ever heard, followed up by a loud

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thumb like this. It felt and sounded like a tree

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dropping without like branches breaking or any of that, just boom.

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But the noise I could best describe it as it

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was like big, like thirty eight inch truck tires peeling

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out on the pavement very slowly, a vehicle that was

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already running, and then hitting the starter like a grinding starter,

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and then like a girl screaming, all combined in the

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one and it lasted for like two three seconds, just

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and instantly boom, and we're like, what the heck? And

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we're just laying there, And it was probably a minute

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and a half two minute intervals, and it kept happening,

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and it kept getting louder and closer, and we're just

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laying there, you know, tight as could be in this tent,

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just like what is going on right now? We didn't

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want to get up and run, and we just laid

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there and listened to it, and it kept getting closer

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and closer till it was at the It was on

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the trail at the far end of the valley where

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we would shoot to, and you could hear there was logs.

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rolling down the hill. And it was the most terrifying

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thing I'd ever heard in my life. So I'm laying there,

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not knowing if I'm even going to make it till

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the morning, because I couldn't even begin to tell you

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what this thing was. At first, I thought it might

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have been a chainsaw or something a tree falling, so

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that is the closest thing I could relate it to.

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not what it was. And as it got very close

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and there was bogs rolling down the hill. After it

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go off, it just stopped happening. And we laid there

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for a few minutes, four or five minutes, and I

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swore I heard like little rocks or twigs or something

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bouncing off the tent, like something was getting taught at

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the tent, something very small. So I'm just laying there,

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laying there, and then I opened my eyes. I had

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fallen asleep, open my eyes and this morning time, so I,

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you know, thank God to be alive, and I shoot

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out of the tenth go look for evidence. I didn't find.

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There was no logs, no broken trees, no prints, no

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ruffled up leaves, nothing at all. And I knew that

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area very very well. So that was very strange. And

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I don't know if I was a dog man or not,

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but you know, that's what I thought it probably was.

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And so that same summer vacation, Billy, our other best

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friend Chucky, and my little brother Evan, we were riding

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our bicycles on the Vasa Trail. It's a bike trail

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in the wood. It's a pretty big loop. A bunch

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of people come and ride it, and it ran right

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behind Trucky's house. So we were over there hanging out,

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and we just hopped down the trail on our bikes

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and started going like we'd done all, you know, often enough.

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over the power It crosses the power lines, and right

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there to the left when you cross, there's these two

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big sand hills, probably five hundred yards in between them,

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and you're at the top of the one when you cross,

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and they look like almost like a wall going up

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the other side, and it's there's sandy hills and it's

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like grass and trees off to the side, you know.

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over and running up this hill is this super long wolf.

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It looked like a wolf, and we're all just like, what,

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there's no wolves around here, you know, That's what I

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was thinking. And this thing was running up the hill

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like there's no shoulder movement. It almost looked like it

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was just effortlessly like gliding up the hill. And I

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could tell this thing was super big because I knew

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all these woods and areas very well, and this thing

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took up a large portion of that hill. And so

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it's going up the hill and I like yelped really

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loud just and the thing stopped and it turned its

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head to the left and it looked back at us,

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and we just are all standing there like, oh my gosh.

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it's going up the hill right on the trail, and

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it gets pretty much to the top, and I went again,

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and it stopped, turned its head back to the left,

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looked at us, stood straight up on two feet, and

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it walked on two legs to the left that direction

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we had come from into the trees, and we were

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all like, what just happened? What was that? So we

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just booked it as fast as we could from there

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on our bikes. Yeah, so I thought, yeah, what we'd

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heard in the woods, you know, had to have been

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what that was like. It looked just like a large

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timber wolf. You could say it was definitely a wolf.

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It had like long, like long, scraggly, dark gray almost black,

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like pepper colored hair, and like its head was I

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remember having a really big head, and like the hair

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on the back of its like neck, and like upper

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part was like thicker than the rest, but like the

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hair just looked scraggly. I guess it almost looked like

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it was wet, you could say, like just kind of drungy.

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And the thing wasn't super like big around, but it

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was very long and it was like lean and yeah,

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so we, uh, well, me and my brother told my

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parents about this thing, and you know, who knows what

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they thought about it. But within the next week, my

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mom tells us I've seen it, and we're like, what

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she said. I was driving down Supply Road and I

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seen this wolf, this really big, mangy looking wolf eating

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something on the side of the road. She said that

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she had slowed down almost to a stop to see,

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you know, what she was looking at and get a

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good look at it, and the thing just kept eating

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really would kill and didn't even look up at her

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or anything. She realized what she was looking at and

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took off. So, and that was just within like a

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week time from when we had seen that, And it

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was directly parallel because the power lines are straight right there.

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Supply roads got a really long straight away on it

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where the Vasa trailhead is, and she had seen it

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pretty much parallel with right where we're seeing it, just

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maybe a mile over. So that was pretty pretty crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy is a good way to sum it up,

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that's for sure. You said that you're about a mile

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into the woods when you and Billy had that first experience,

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But how far back does that woods.

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Speaker 1: Go, you know, from my house to like Rennie Lake

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Road where we i'd heard that noise, where it was

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started at and it was coming from, is probably only

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like a couple of miles from that shot. But if

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you were to like look at it from a map,

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it's like from the Bay, uh, you know, the Bay

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there all the way to Highway one thirty one is

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pretty much all heavily wooded, and that's a pretty large

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area of woods for anything to roam in. Like I've

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last year, I've seen a few I've seen bear a

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few times, which I had never seen before because they're

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doing a lot of clear cutting. Now, even right where

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we had seen or heard that at, they're clear cut.

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They have clear cutted all that, which is kind of

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a uh, not very good thing. I don't like that

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very much. But so what I'm getting at is they're

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pushing all these animals, you know, they have less room

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to go. But overall it's a big that's a big

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chunk of woods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it must be. It sounds like a

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great habitat. But is there much in the way of

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moving water.

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Speaker 1: Uh, there's a lot of like little inland lakes in

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the area, like a ton of little small lakes, but

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that's about it. And then like the bay or whatever,

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the Lake Michigan that's got that's where town's at, like

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the main highway and everything. So I would assume all

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the wildlife, you know, tries to get away from that area.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they do. If all this back. There

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are lakes, though it sounds like they're all spring fed.

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They aren't any tributaries keeping them filled.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all spring fed.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see, Yeah, a Sasquatch dog man's going to

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try to seek out moving water, not standing water like that.

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But if those lakes are a spring fed depends on

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how much the supply of fresh water coming into the

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miss I mean, if there's a lot of water coming in,

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and that water is going to be pretty fresh and

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pretty clean. So that would explain it, it really would.

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How many times have you two been camping back there

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for the first experience happened?

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Speaker 1: You know, often that whole summer vacation, we were out

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there a lot, you know, at least two, three, four

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times a week we'd be staying the night out there.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot. I think I know the answer

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to this question, but I'm going to ask it. Anyway,

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did that spell the last time you guys ever went

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out there and camped?

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Speaker 1: No, it didn't, actually, wow, you know, no, did you know?

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Hearing that didn't really it didn't prevent me from going

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out in the woods or going camping or doing any

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of that. It really didn't. It was kind of so surreal.

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It happened so fast, but it was obviously terrifying just

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from what we had seen. But the thing was running

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away from us. It acknowledged us when I yelped at it,

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and it kept running and it walked off. It didn't

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have any concern with us, So I'm sure if it

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would have, you know, had some aggression or something, it

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would have been totally different outcome. With me being friendly

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with the woods.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I think that's a given there.

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Why do you think it ran away from me? Though?

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Do you think it was frightened?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean it didn't. It wasn't

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like running running away from us. But when we had

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first left eyes on it, it was already in motion

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going up the hill, so it just kind of looked

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like it it was on its way up, And I

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don't even it didn't even know we were there until

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I had yelled for it, and then it stopped and

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looked back at us, seeing us, and then it just

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continued on its way.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think back on what happened then? I

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wish you never would have yelled at it.

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Speaker 1: Uh, honestly, no, I'm glad I did. That's just kind

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of the person I am. Like. You know, if it

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would have been running at us or something, I wouldn't

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have done anything like that. But you know, just seeing it,

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I wanted to get as much information and see as

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much as I could on this thing while I had

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the chance, and you know, it was in the opposite direction,

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and it probably wasn't the smartest thing for me to do,

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and I got lucky that it turned out the way

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it did. But I don't regret doing what I did.

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Speaker 2: Well, you were fifteen, so not only did you think

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you're a bulletproof, but obviously didn't have the best judgment

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back then. But that doesn't make any different from the

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rest of us when we hear that age, So can't

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fault you for that. That's just one of those things,

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it really is. Yep, Definitely if things would have gotten dicey, though,

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would you or Billy have been more likely to bolt

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for it?

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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I've always been a little chicken when it

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came to like being in the woods. Billy was always

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like a big He's bigger than me and we were

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both kind of tough kids growing up in that, But

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you know, he would never show any signs of being

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scared of the dark or anything. And whenever we'd have

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friends from school out, because you know, most of them

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lived in town and stuff. We were kind of those

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redneck country kids from the woods, and when they'd come out,

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we'd be like, oh, we're going for our night walk now,

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and we would just go through walks in the woods,

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you know, on the you know, at night time when

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it's dark, and I'd always be scared, but like, I

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wouldn't be as scared as the person that we would

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have with us, So it made me feel better. But

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you could ask Billy, there's been times where we're probably

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a squirrel took off of a tree or something, and

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I probably jumped on his back.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that happened sometimes, that's just how it is.

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How did that experience affect your relationship your friendship with

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Billy though? Did it make you closer friends or did

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it in a way drive you apart.

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Speaker 1: No, We've always been our best buds, just being a

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few houses down from each other. And you know, his

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dad even told us when we were kids, you guys

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are going to be best friends forever. I know it.

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And here we are fifteen years later, we're still best friends,

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so you know, I didn't really interfere with you know,

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our friendship Onceoever, it was just kind of something that

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happened real quick and we all got to experience it together.

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Speaker 2: That's great you. I'm glad it was a good encounter. Well,

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if there is such a thing as a good encounter,

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it was as benign as they can be. So that's

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definitely a good thing. And considering that fact, it's no

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surprise it did draw you closer together as friends. That's great,

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it really is, and I'm glad he was there to

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experience it with you. It'd be one thing to happen alone,

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but in fact he had your best bud there with you.

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That had to help a lot. It really did.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. With there being four of us there,

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you know, it made it a lot less scary than

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if I was by myself when that happened. I wouldn't

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have been yelling at it like I did. There's no way.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure you wouldn't have. Yeah, that just makes sense.

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When you got home from seeing it, did you tell

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your mom about it right away as soon as you

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could or did you wait to do that?

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Speaker 1: Oh? No, Yeah, I told her told her right away

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what we had seen, and I don't you know, I

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don't think she thought we were lying or anything like that.

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But you know, see anybody coming to you with a

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story like that and kind of makes you wonder, you know,

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like that's not something people see. So you know, I

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don't blame her for if she did have doubts about

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what we've seen.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll see that's the thing. I'm sorry getting reupted.

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Please continue.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was just saying, yeah, you know, I told

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her right away.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. The general public thinks that that dog

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men are things that people don't see all that often,

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but that's not actually accurate. More people than you would

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believe see these things. I mean, people listening to this,

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I'd be surprised if every one of them hasn't met

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someone who's actually had an in care but they don't

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know it because that eyewitness never told them about their encounter.

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And it's understandable you see something like that and whatnot.

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I mean, who are you gonna tell your friends, your family?

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Evey're not gonna believe you in almost any case, so

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why bother putting it out there? So it really does

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only make sense. It does. How long did it take

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you to find out what it was that you saw meson?

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Speaker 1: Well, I knew right away. As soon as it stood

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up on two feet and walked on two legs, I

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knew exactly what it was because at first, when it

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was running up the hill, I was like, this is

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that a wolf? But you know, I didn't think there

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was wolves around here at all period, And it was

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like a wolf. You would think it would be more

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filled out, and it wouldn't. This thing was like long

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and skinny and had long, natty hair, so it just

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looked like a wolf that had mains. I was really big,

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I guess you could say. But as soon as it

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stood up on two feet and walked away, I knew

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that it was a dog man.

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Speaker 2: So you knew about dog man back before you had

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that experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like with the song the dog Man's Song, and

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I was a total believer in it, like it. It

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made me feel a certain type of way. When that

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song would come on, even in the car, I would

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like hunker down and just it would freak me right out.

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So there was never a time in my life where,

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you know, so like my mom told me about me

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having those dreams and stuff, and then the song. You know,

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I just was one hundred percent total believer in it.

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Speaker 2: If anyone listening is wondering what song he's talking about,

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he's talking about the song called The Legend. It was

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written by Steve Cook, and if you haven't heard it,

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it's a really good song. Of course, it's available on YouTube.

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If you just go to YouTube and do a search

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00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,400
for The Legend Steve Cook, it'll be really easy to find.

477
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,680
How did your mom's encounter affect her? Did she handle

478
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,960
it well or did she struggle with it?

479
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,359
Speaker 1: You know, I think she handled it well. You know,

480
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:25,599
I think I had more problems with just thinking about

481
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,160
the dog man and stuff. And I'm sure she heard

482
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,960
it a lot, so I'm sure more of like the

483
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,880
emotions with dog Man and the family came from me,

484
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,440
which probably, you know, with me being her son and

485
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,599
young at the time, probably took it off her mind less,

486
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,720
I would assume. But you know, we've never really we've

487
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,079
talked about it from time to time, but you know,

488
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,599
we've never gotten a deep conversation about it. Just kind

489
00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,640
of she said what she's seen and she knew what

490
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,240
we had seen, and that was about it.

491
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,519
Speaker 2: Had she spent much time in the woods or does

492
00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:09,079
she stay out of them.

493
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: For the most part, she stays out of them. We

494
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,079
live in the woods, you know, we've always lived in

495
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,359
the woods, but she doesn't really go out hiking or

496
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,240
walking in the woods or any of that.

497
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: No, she didn't spend much time at all in the

498
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,519
woods before. But after having that sighting, does she have

499
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,440
an aversion to them now?

500
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: No, you know, I don't think it really freaked her

501
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,079
out that much, to be honest. I mean, she told

502
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:42,079
me it was freaky, and you know, it's a freaky thing,

503
00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:46,599
but I don't think she's really worried about it, to

504
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,079
be honest.

505
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:53,279
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good. That's really good. It sounds to me.

506
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:55,160
I don't want to put words into your mouth, but

507
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,200
it sounds to me like the dog men she saw

508
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,119
it just might've been the same one that you did.

509
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,400
What are your thoughts on that?

510
00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am almost one hundred percent sure that it was.

511
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:12,119
The way she described it. It sounded just like the

512
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,599
one that we had seen, and with where she had

513
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,680
seen it at was directly parallel with from where we

514
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:26,759
seen it at. You know, it wasn't very far at all. Yes,

515
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,720
and it was within like a week time too, So

516
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,960
you know, I was pretty sure that that was it.

517
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it was. And how

518
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:38,599
tall did you say it was?

519
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: It had to have been at least six and a

520
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,119
half seven and a half feet tall, it was, It

521
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:54,559
was tall. It was a long, long wolf dog man. Yeah,

522
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,960
it just looked really long and lean and long, straggling

523
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,359
blackish grayish black hair.

524
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,039
Speaker 2: After he had that experience, did anything ever happen around

525
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,159
your home? I mean your house was only about a

526
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,000
mile from that location where you saw it. Did anything

527
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,000
ever happen around your home that you think might have

528
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:16,519
been related to that dog man?

529
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, not at my house particularly, But when I was

530
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:32,000
I would say, I would say I was eighteen, I

531
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:38,239
had this lifted up red geo tracker. And one of

532
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,440
my friends that I had met in eleventh grade he

533
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,280
moved here from New Hampshire. He became one of my

534
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:51,239
really good friend Zach. We were so right where we

535
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,320
had seen that dog man on the power line. It's

536
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,159
a super steep sand hill and between the Vossa Trail

537
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,320
and that hill, there's a two track that cuts around

538
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,599
that and it's less deep and you can get through

539
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,719
there with a vehicle without having to have a four

540
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,559
wheel drive truck. And we went down and there, and

541
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,159
it's kind of sandy at the bottom, and there's like

542
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,159
a little pond that had formed between the power line

543
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,840
the bottom to the left and the trail that we

544
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,840
were at. It's real like marshy, like boggy and stuff,

545
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,719
and there was standing water there for some years there.

546
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,199
But anyways, there's some sand on the trail there at

547
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,599
the bottom. And I had got out and seen these

548
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,280
very very large dog prints, like very big, like bigger

549
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,679
than my hand significantly. And so I got out and

550
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,320
I was telling him about I had told him about

551
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,840
this thing, and he wasn't really a believer or anything

552
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,239
like that. And so I get out and I'm following

553
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,199
these footprints towards where we had seen it years previously,

554
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,039
and I start going up the hill where it's wooded

555
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,760
and there's trees. I'm off the powerland obviously, and I'm

556
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,400
making my way up on foot and then I hear boom,

557
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,079
boom boom at the top of the hill. It sounded

558
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,119
like five like a five foot log foot diamond or

559
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,360
just getting hit off of a tree with no rebound

560
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:32,760
like almost instantly, boom boom boom three times, and I

561
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,039
sprinted back down the hill, ran back to the tracker

562
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:38,159
and I was like, did you hear that? And he

563
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,239
was like, yeah, I heard it, and you know, he

564
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,920
didn't really think much of it. I knew something was up,

565
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,159
you know, there was obviously something at the top of

566
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,280
that hill, and I didn't know what could be making

567
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,920
that type of noise. So we get in the tracker.

568
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,320
I hopped in and then I continued up that trail

569
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,320
to the top hung or right, and I was heading

570
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,360
back towards like where that power line hill would come

571
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,599
up to the top at it, and I'm about halfway there.

572
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:11,960
I killed the tracker and I start howling. I could

573
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,840
hot kyoto, you just oh. And I did that for

574
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,920
probably fifteen to twenty seconds, and off to the left

575
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:26,880
angle like to the left, you hear boom, boom, boom,

576
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,199
like five like one and I'm three in succession, then

577
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,760
another one, and it was the same exact noise. You

578
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,719
could almost feel it in the ground. And I looked

579
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,440
at him and he looks at me with her eyes

580
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,400
wide and was like, all right, dude, I'm convinced there's

581
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,320
something going on now, and so that was that. We

582
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,840
drove off, hung out for the night, YadA YadA yah.

583
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:59,559
And within the next couple of weeks me Chucky and

584
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,239
our friend and Tim and I think my little brother

585
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Evan was with us. I'd been telling these guys about

586
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,360
what we had heard, and I was like, we need

587
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,320
to go look around and see if we can find anything.

588
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,760
So we go out there and we start hiking into

589
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,320
the woods at the top of that hill on the

590
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,119
power line, and we walk into the woods. I'm trying

591
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:23,719
to go to the direction where I heard that noise from,

592
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:29,079
and almost instantly like we walked right to it. There's

593
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:35,199
a really big tree with no branches for you know,

594
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,840
to way up fifty feet up, forty feet up, but

595
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:43,719
like ten twelve foot up in this tree probably i'd say,

596
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,440
there was huge claw marks, like several inch two inch

597
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:52,960
deep claw marks just tore this tree up and they

598
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,320
were way up there. And we thought that was really

599
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,400
strange because that head have been they were fresh, that

600
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,280
had to have been what Zach and I had heard.

601
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,719
But what we heard was like a loud bang. It's

602
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,039
like boom, boom, boom, and these trees are scratched up

603
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:18,480
real deep and this tree was so we found that

604
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,760
and then I told them, you know, there was another

605
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,480
sound that we had heard. So we go off to

606
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,920
that area and this field or this area had been

607
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,840
clear cut in the past, but it was you know,

608
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,280
coming back, and it took us a little bit but

609
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,679
not super long. And we found this other tree, same

610
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,920
kind of tree as one that they had left, and

611
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,639
same thing, just claw marks gouging way deep into it,

612
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:52,760
really high up. And as we were trying to find

613
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,559
that tree, we see like a path going across this

614
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,440
where they had clear cut it, and you can see

615
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,679
like a beat down trail with really big dog prints

616
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,119
on it. So after we found this tree, we go

617
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,280
back to that trail and we followed it all the

618
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,400
way to where it starts to go down this really

619
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,800
big hill and it's all heavily, heavily wooded. And this

620
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,719
is like a spot where people don't go, you know,

621
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,920
it's just off the trails. The Vosa Trail kind of

622
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,719
runs by that area right there, but this specific spot

623
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:37,280
is off of any trail. And it's like, I got

624
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,960
this weird feeling when we got there. I was like,

625
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:43,880
there's this is just creepy feeling. So it just felt

626
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:49,360
so desolate, and so we started walking down this hill

627
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:54,119
and before long we found like a couple birds that

628
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,400
were dead, and there's like feathers everywhere kind of in

629
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,079
this pile. And we kept going down. We found a

630
00:41:02,159 --> 00:41:05,880
couple of like thick plastic jugs that had been torn

631
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,280
to shreds, like claw or teeth marks in them. And

632
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
on this trail, like I said, the whole time, there's

633
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:17,440
giant dog prins. And we get down to the bottom

634
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,840
of this hill. We're just going real slow, watching our backs.

635
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,239
And at the bottom of this valley, I guess you

636
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,880
could say, we get to the bottom and there's probably

637
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:35,840
a fifty foot maybe diameter of all these big, you know,

638
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,880
bigger pine trees like probably six inches diameter, all maybe

639
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,400
four to six inches diameter, all snapped clean in half,

640
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,719
probably four foot up and they're all leaning in the

641
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,400
same direction, like into the center. And it was all

642
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,599
fresh because the all the pine needles were still on

643
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,719
the trees. We didn't like try going in there, looking

644
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,639
in there or anything, but we thought that was kind

645
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:07,760
of odd. And we had found, you know, a bunch

646
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,719
of pilesive dog do doo that were really big and

647
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,519
completely just full of hair, just hair sticking out of

648
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:24,320
it everywhere. So that was another one of my experiences

649
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,480
with whatever is out there and the dog man. That's

650
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,800
what I thought I had to have been. I don't

651
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,199
know what else could make some marks up in a

652
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:35,000
tree like that.

653
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty typical behavior for them. I'm pretty sure

654
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,679
that's what it was. After having all these experiences with

655
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,000
apparently the same dog man, do you feel marked in

656
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:47,400
a way?

657
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't know, because I had never seen it

658
00:42:56,039 --> 00:43:00,519
or heard it at my house or you know, the

659
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,960
one time camping. I felt marked that time when we

660
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,280
were camping, because it was very clear, and it seemed

661
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,000
very clear to me that it knew we were there,

662
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,639
because they were just kept getting closer and closer and closer,

663
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,239
until it was at the top of the valley and

664
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,320
the trees were rolling down into the valley and then

665
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,360
it stopped, you know, and you could tell it. It

666
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,079
was a ways away at first, like quite a distance,

667
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,360
but it was super loud so you could hear it.

668
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,559
But by the time I got close to us, it

669
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:43,360
was very close. And then it stopped completely and then

670
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,199
I heard little things getting tossed off the tent, so

671
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,000
I thought I was hearing anyway, but we were too

672
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:53,480
scared to get out and look. So I felt totally

673
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,760
marked that time, but since then, I no, I haven't.

674
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's good. And yeah, don't blame you

675
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,760
for not getting out to look, because curiosity did kill

676
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,239
the cat. It did. And for people that don't know

677
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,119
the woods beach trees, if you've ever been in the

678
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:17,400
woods and seeing a tree that's got real tight looking,

679
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,639
smooth gray bark, well that's a good sign that it's

680
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,840
a beach tree. And beach tree bark is really easy

681
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,880
to gouge and mark. That's why when you're in the

682
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,639
woods and you see people writing scratching their names into

683
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,920
tree trunks, a beach tree is just screaming out to

684
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,360
you do that on me, because it's just perfect for

685
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,920
doing that. Not a good idea to do that, of course,

686
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,599
but a lot of people do, unfortunately, when they're looking

687
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,039
to do that kind of a thing. Well, it's one

688
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,559
thing for a dog man to gouge beach trees because

689
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,599
they're so easy to do, but they'll actually gouge trees

690
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:58,000
like shagbark hickories that aren't easy to gouge, but they

691
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,320
don't care and they don't seem to have a problem

692
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,360
with doing it. They'll just reach up and really dig

693
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,199
those claws in. And if you come across gouges like that,

694
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,320
it can really freak you out, understandably. So let's talk

695
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,760
about those prints that you found me soon. You said

696
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,800
that the prints were bigger than your hand when you

697
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,280
put your hand out next to them. In inches, though,

698
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,280
how far across would you say they.

699
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,639
Speaker 1: Were from like the bottom of the pow at the top.

700
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the bottom of the paw to the top,

701
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,400
or from left right?

702
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I would say probably, I don't know. It was probably

703
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:47,440
good seven inch paw, eight inch paw maybe. Oh, you know,

704
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,880
I don't really know how big my hand is, but

705
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,800
it was. I could put my entire hand in it

706
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:57,039
and it was still, you know, another inch or two

707
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:02,639
around my hand. H if there's a big craw marks too,

708
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,239
like a wolf print. You know, it looked like a

709
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,320
wolf print.

710
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,119
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet it did have big claws. But the

711
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,079
thing is here, the biggest wolf print that you're gonna

712
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,639
find is normally going to max out at about six

713
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:18,079
and a half inches across six and a half If

714
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,239
you found prints that were eight were tickling eight. Yeah,

715
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,960
that's definitely no wolf print. Now did you look to

716
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,199
see if the prints were left right left or a

717
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,519
left left right right pattern.

718
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,639
Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell because you couldn't see every single print.

719
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,199
So like when you know, you could just catch the

720
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,119
ones that were in the softer dirt, and that actually

721
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,480
made a definite imprint. You know, there's a lot of

722
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,000
leaves and other stuff. But like at the bottom of

723
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,400
that trail and Zach and I had seen it, there

724
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,360
was sand down there, like I was saying, and that's

725
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,400
where I could see several prints. And then I just

726
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:03,639
kind of the path because you could tell her and

727
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,920
made a little there was a little path through the woods,

728
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,719
not like straight dirt, but you can tell something that

729
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,000
had walked through there, and that's the path I was following.

730
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:20,199
But you couldn't really make out, you know, the stride

731
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,880
that was taken or anything like that.

732
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, that's understandable. It really makes you wonder though,

733
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,800
you and Billy had spent so much time in that

734
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,480
woods back there and never saw or experienced anything, and

735
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,920
then all of a sudden, bam, bam bam, you started

736
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,079
having these experiences with that dog man or dog men plural.

737
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,159
It makes you wonder if all of a sudden, that

738
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,480
dog man just came into the area and that's when

739
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,440
you started having the experiences. I don't believe that to

740
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,199
be the case, but it is possible, and it definitely

741
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,920
makes you wonder about that, It really does. You heard

742
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,559
about another encounter that involved a DNR officer that happened

743
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,760
in your area. One more can else about that?

744
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: So on Google? Well, I'd been told about this and

745
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:12,000
I looked it up and found it years back. I've

746
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,239
tried looking for it, you know, for five ten minutes.

747
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,719
I've tried scrolling around and finding it lately within the

748
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,840
last five, six, seven years, but I've had no luck

749
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,360
finding it. But I have found that article a handful

750
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,119
of times in the past. And it was written by

751
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,320
DNR officer who was staying at his in laws on

752
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:40,440
Island Lake or in law as in laws on Island Lake,

753
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,400
and it was evening time they had finished up supper,

754
00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,280
and he took his mountain bike for a ride on

755
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,719
the trails that were around the lake. And I knew

756
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,840
those trailers like the back of my hands. So like

757
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,159
when reading it, I knew exactly where he was at.

758
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,519
I could picture in my head as I was reading it.

759
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,400
And he said, as he came up to this four

760
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:10,119
way intersection, he heard like dogs fighting or like you know,

761
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,639
dogs fighting. And he looks to the left and down

762
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,960
this straight away, which is probably two hundred yards, there's

763
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,960
this big field and there was this old, creepy camper

764
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:24,360
and that had always been there since I moved there,

765
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:28,639
just left in the woods. And he said he could

766
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:32,679
see he's seen a dog man inside of this camper.

767
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,840
He could see its head through the window of the

768
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,360
camper and it had like he said, I remember it

769
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,760
saying that it had like illuminated eye like that he

770
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,840
could see the eye was real glowy, I guess you

771
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,039
could say. And seen the side of the thing's head

772
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,079
in the camper, and he just turned around and high

773
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:58,000
tailed it back. But it said he was a d

774
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,599
N officer for some time and he had never came

775
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:05,760
across anything like that. And that spot, that four way

776
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:11,440
intersection is so the valley that we were camping in

777
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,800
where the shooting range was, was right at the bottom

778
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,840
of this little you like, you go halfway across the

779
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,519
shooting range, go up the trail not very far at all,

780
00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:27,760
and then you're at that four way intersection. So we

781
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:35,239
were camping like i'd say, one hundred yards from where

782
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,639
he had seen it, hire fifty yards from where that

783
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:38,920
DNA officer seen it.

784
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's way too close for comfort. Did you ever

785
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,599
find out if that camper had been damaged and there

786
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:50,800
was a hole in the side that this dog man

787
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,400
had allegedly gone through to get into it, or if

788
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,320
it was the case of it opening up a door

789
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:57,119
to get in.

790
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember remember if there was ever a door

791
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,320
on it. This thing was pretty beat up. Actually, one

792
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,400
of my friends and I kind of like finished this

793
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:14,480
thing out with like logs and stuff when we were kids,

794
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,199
just kind of beat this thing down to where there

795
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,159
was nothing, you know, collapsed, because this thing was super

796
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:27,320
old and like almost you know, barely staying together until

797
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:30,159
we had done that. I can't recall if there was

798
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:33,320
a door even on it or not. I don't believe

799
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,000
that there was.

800
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right, that's something you probably didn't even

801
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,840
think about and understandably, So let's go back and talk

802
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,320
about the dog man. When you saw it, I know

803
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,239
you had a lot on your mind. At the time.

804
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,519
But did you ever remember seeing a tail on it?

805
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: I can't really picture what the tail looked like. I

806
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:03,719
don't remember seeing like, you know, locking eyes on a

807
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,880
tail or. That really doesn't pop up a picture in

808
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,920
my head of when I seen it. I just I

809
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,559
believe it had a longer long tail bush your tail.

810
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,159
But you know, I don't remember the tail playing a

811
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,199
big you know, I wasn't part of the part of

812
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,159
my memory of it.

813
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right, Like I said, you had a

814
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,480
lot in your mind, so that's understandable. You recently heard

815
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,360
about an episode, actually you heard an episode of VIEP

816
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,960
of dog Me and Encounters where the guests said something

817
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,599
that really caught your attention when work? Can you tell

818
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,840
us about that? Oh?

819
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,119
Speaker 1: Wait, what's that? Sorry?

820
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,119
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're fine. Yeah, there was an episode of

821
00:52:50,119 --> 00:52:52,559
the show that you heard not too long ago that

822
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,800
really caught your attention, something that the guests said, What

823
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:57,119
more can tell us about that?

824
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? So was this this last Saturday? I was listening

825
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,800
to one of your episodes, which I do very often,

826
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,239
and it was the one that says I shot a

827
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,280
dog man with a thirty yard six And I'm listening

828
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:24,239
to that, and about thirty minutes in or so, the guy, well,

829
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,239
in the beginning he had mentioned he's in northern Michigan,

830
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,639
so that obviously makes me curious where at But I

831
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,159
was listening and he mentioned right here off Fife Lake Road,

832
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,559
and I'm like, did he just say five Lake Road?

833
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:45,199
And went back and listened and again, and sure as heck,

834
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,000
he said right off Fife Lake Road. He had some

835
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:52,159
property and he ended up selling that property after this.

836
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:58,159
But one of his friends or something like that kind

837
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:00,920
of set him up, like his friend had seen this

838
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:05,559
dog man and tried to get him to go. He

839
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:07,800
got him to go out there where he had seen

840
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,320
this guy, and then he ended up seeing it and

841
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,599
shot it, and he was freaking out in the moment

842
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,519
he shot this thing, drew back his gun and the

843
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,760
thing was still standing there staring at him, and you know,

844
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,119
he kind of gathered his thoughts and he pulled up again,

845
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,159
shot it, and he stayed looking through his scope and

846
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,480
he said he could see the blood flying off, you know,

847
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:38,719
seeing the blood spray off this thing when he shot it,

848
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,239
and it didn't kill it or anything like that. And

849
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:51,639
Wife Lake Road is just two miles or so two

850
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,639
and a half three miles maybe from Island Lake Road

851
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,880
where I grew up.

852
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really good. Close. In that episode that you're

853
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:05,960
talking about is episode twenty one. Learry is the guest's

854
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,039
name who came on that show and talked about that

855
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:10,800
experience and the fact that he had a thirty odd

856
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,559
six that he knew how to use. He shot this

857
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,480
dog me in and didn't get the desired effect. What

858
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:18,599
does that tell you about the logic of stuffing a

859
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:23,400
forty five caliber pistol into your belt heading out into

860
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,480
dog mean country, knowing that they're out there and doing

861
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:28,440
things that you think that forty five is going to

862
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,239
be able to protect you from. I mean, if a

863
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,239
thirty odd six isn't going to get the job done

864
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,519
with these guys, why would you think that a forty

865
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,800
five or any pistol is going to get the job done?

866
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,800
Because it won't. It really won't.

867
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,199
Speaker 1: No, No, I won't at all. A thirty odd six

868
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,840
is a beast of a gun, that's for sure.

869
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, compared to any pistol, it is definitely. Well, let's

870
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,239
get to the listener's questions from the live chat. The

871
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,679
first one up on deck is from truth quest and

872
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,559
she wants to know. Do you think it may have

873
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,519
circled around behind you talking about that sighting?

874
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:15,079
Speaker 1: Yet I'm not too sure. I don't think it did

875
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,000
because of the fact that it looked like it was

876
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,400
already going the way it was going when we had

877
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,199
seen it, and I interrupted it to get its attention,

878
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,519
and then I just kept going on the way it

879
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:33,920
was going. And when it got to the top and

880
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,639
stood up, it went, you know, away from us. It

881
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:41,199
went to the left, and it just it seemed like

882
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,280
it was it knew where it was going, or it

883
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,559
was just doing its thing and it didn't really mind us.

884
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,760
But right there at the top of that hill, I

885
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,760
might have had when it turned, when it stood up

886
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,159
and walked on two legs into the woods, that's right

887
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,679
where we had found that tree with all the scrapes

888
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,119
on it, first tree that was right there.

889
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like everything did happen in the same

890
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,920
general area. I think I know the answer to this question,

891
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,599
but I don't want to assume things. I'm going to

892
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:15,559
ask you, if you had your druthers, would you like

893
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,000
to have another encounter with one of these things? Or

894
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:18,719
are you good?

895
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:26,199
Speaker 1: Ah? It's hard saying you know, if it was another

896
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,280
encounter like that, yeah, I would love to, just because

897
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,480
I would love to refresh that image in my head

898
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:36,159
and you know, get it on camera would be really cool.

899
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:41,480
But you know, knowing what it could be capable of doing,

900
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,199
it's kind of wrong for me to just be so

901
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:50,119
willing to want to see one again because they're not

902
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,840
out there. I don't feel that one was not there

903
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,400
to get seen. I don't think like we caught it.

904
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,159
We've seen it on its way away and we caught

905
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:04,079
its attention and then just kept going away. But you know,

906
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,360
if it could have turned around and came my way,

907
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,639
I could be a goner and we could all been goners.

908
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:12,239
So I can't really say i'd want to see one

909
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:13,039
for that reason.

910
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, why tim fade. It's best not to if you

911
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,679
can avoid it. Some people have very benign experiences like

912
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,880
the one that you had, and then they want to

913
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,199
do all they can to try to have another encounter

914
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,400
to push the issue. Well, just because your first encounter

915
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,519
was benign like that, that doesn't mean by a long

916
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,800
shot that your next encounter is going to be the

917
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,960
same way. I mean, sometimes people force the issue and

918
00:58:38,039 --> 00:58:40,960
they actually do wind up having another encounter, and the

919
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:44,960
dog man's apoplectic. So be careful what you wish for.

920
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,840
It's just best not to have an encounter with one

921
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,440
of these things. Why encourage it. This next question is

922
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,239
from farm Cat. She wants to know what does the

923
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,679
song say? Please? She's talking about The Legend, that song

924
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:01,079
I mentioned by Steve Cook. Is it the song that

925
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:05,360
was changed to a beer? I'm not sure what that means.

926
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,840
But if you go to YouTube like I said, and

927
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,440
do a search for a song called the Legend and

928
00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:16,559
type in Steve Cook, it'll pop up. There'll be several results,

929
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,480
it'll pop up. It'll be really easy to find and

930
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,920
to listen to that way, So yeah, please do that.

931
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:27,239
This next one is from truth Quest. She wants to

932
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,079
know did you think that? I guess that's the same

933
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:33,800
question she asked earlier, So we'll move on to the

934
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,880
next one, which is from Miss fire Horse three point

935
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,119
thirty three. She wants to know what year did this happen? A?

936
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: Twenty ten This is when we had seen it, and

937
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:56,599
then it was probably two thousand and two and fourteen

938
00:59:56,719 --> 01:00:01,079
or fifteen when Zach and I had heard those noises

939
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,440
and found those trees.

940
01:00:03,559 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: So it stayed around for a while.

941
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: Then, yep, I think it's still around. Man.

942
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: Well, like I tell people, I think dog men have

943
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,840
a huge home range that they just operate in like

944
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,840
any large predator would. I mean, if they stay in

945
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,280
any one particular area for too long, they're going to

946
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,159
deplete the resources in that area the same way that

947
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,360
a mountain lion or a bear would. So it's natural

948
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,199
they know they have to move around to avoid that happening.

949
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,440
So yeah, you'll notice that they'll be there for a

950
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,599
certain period of time and then they're gone in most cases,

951
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,880
and then after a certain period of time they'll show

952
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,800
up again. Well that's just a case of them circling

953
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,920
back around to that area to take advantage of the

954
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,239
resources there again. So that would definitely explain that meadow

955
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,880
dream is next question, they want to know what's the

956
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,800
name of the county. This happened in.

957
01:00:58,519 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: Grand Travers County.

958
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: Grand Travers County. All right, that's your answer. This next

959
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:09,960
question is from dog me and tepee Hunting, and they

960
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,320
want to know have you had any other non related

961
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,519
phenomenon happened to you prior to or after seeing the dogma?

962
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I didn't you know, I kind of thought

963
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,599
about saying this or asking you if I could talk

964
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:34,280
about this, but I decided not to just because it

965
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,320
wasn't a dog man related. There wasn't a dog man.

966
01:01:39,239 --> 01:01:45,679
So last year, during a lunch break, we were doing

967
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:52,039
a hardwood floor for this lady out by Lake and Michigan,

968
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,480
and we went down to the Cedar Lake boat launch.

969
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:00,679
We would often go there to eat lunch, care break

970
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,320
and stuff. And I had my truck pulled up towards

971
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,119
the lake, and the guy I worked with had his

972
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,960
truck pulled up a little further than mine. I was

973
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,320
ready to get going back to work. We had been

974
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:18,000
there for probably thirty forty minutes, and he was down

975
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,079
standing by the water like looking for Potoski stones, and

976
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,280
I yelled over to him, like, hey, you ball ready

977
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:30,320
to get going back, and looking past him in like

978
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:35,639
the cacktails cocktail cocktails, I could see this big tan

979
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,559
like sphere, like a ball, the big tan ball, and

980
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:43,239
it kind of resembled like a duck line or something,

981
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,760
but I knew there wasn't a duck blind there. So

982
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,199
I'm looking at this thing and I seen it. It was

983
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,639
like slightly rolling or it was slightly rolling a little

984
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,199
bit moving around. I'm like, hey, Mike, look over at that,

985
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,920
and he's like what, And he's kind of looking around

986
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,639
as he gets his visuals in that direction. This thing,

987
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:10,239
it literally just went down and just was it was gone.

988
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,360
I didn't see it like vanished, like with the stap

989
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,920
of a finger, but it was just like like it

990
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,639
rolled down under the weeds almost. And this thing was

991
01:03:18,679 --> 01:03:22,840
probably it looked like I had to then five foot diameter,

992
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:27,599
and I was like, there was just this tan bar

993
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:32,679
right there. And as we're you know, like instantly as

994
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:39,039
I say that, this human like humanoid like a person

995
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,400
stood straight up in the same spot and its torso

996
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,639
and the top of it was like, you know, five

997
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:52,679
feet above these probably three foot cactails. And what I

998
01:03:52,679 --> 01:03:58,559
could see was it had like a blue torso and

999
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,039
on the top of it its head was it was

1000
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:06,599
a big white solid like looked like a big white afro,

1001
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,960
like a big circle on the top of its head,

1002
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,840
and it looked like it was just staring straight at us.

1003
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,840
It felt like it was staring into my soul. And

1004
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,719
we're both just standing there and you know, I'm sitting

1005
01:04:18,719 --> 01:04:21,320
in my truck. He's standing there and we're just sitting

1006
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,719
there jaws drop, and this thing stood there for a

1007
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:29,039
solid ten seconds and then it just went down. I

1008
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:35,199
pulled out my phone started recording, and in the video

1009
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,000
you can see so I pulled my phone out, start

1010
01:04:40,039 --> 01:04:43,599
recording over there, and you can see some a big

1011
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,280
animal in the cat like just barely above the cacktails,

1012
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,719
like it looks like up there or a sasquatch straight up,

1013
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:56,239
and you could see it kind of moving around and

1014
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,800
then it would it would stick its head down into

1015
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,639
the cactails. I read my truck up. It popped its

1016
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:06,039
head back up and you could see a huge, dark,

1017
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:10,880
furry animal in that same exact spot where we had

1018
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,400
just had just seen this big tanball and then this

1019
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:18,000
person thing with a huge white circle on its head.

1020
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,119
And then it was a big hairy animal. And in

1021
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,840
the video you can see it's right where the water

1022
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,920
makes the cactails. Like halfway up the cacktails, there's these

1023
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:37,280
gold they look like gold tubes, like gold tubes that

1024
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,039
were like I would say, maybe a foot and a

1025
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:43,000
half long, and there were spaced like two foot apart,

1026
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:48,760
and they were literally floating above the water just a

1027
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,519
little bit and they go for like ten fifteen feet

1028
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:55,800
and then they go up ten foot ten to fifteen

1029
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,400
feet and it's like a backward shaped l. And inside

1030
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,960
of that was where we seen all this stuff. In

1031
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,000
my video. It looks all like blurry right in that box.

1032
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:15,920
And these little gold things are literally moving, like flopping almost,

1033
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,000
and you can see the ones that were on the

1034
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:23,559
water running like even the war. We're kicking up little

1035
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:27,039
splashes of water. And then they went up this tree,

1036
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:32,039
like in front of a tree, and it was so weird.

1037
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,280
So I'm like, I'm going over there, and I got

1038
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,239
a video of all this, and he stayed over at

1039
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:42,159
the boat launch, but I walked over there. Nobody walks

1040
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,639
over here. You know, there's a house way back over there,

1041
01:06:45,679 --> 01:06:50,159
and nobody on that whole corner. So I'm going through here,

1042
01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:54,880
recording on my phone. Hopped over this creek and then

1043
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,599
I see this this like little hut thing. It was

1044
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:04,159
made like pieces of not tree bark, but like pieces

1045
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:08,800
of chunks of tree, and it was probably four and

1046
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,360
a half five foot tall by about the same with

1047
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,519
and it had a roof on it too, all made

1048
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:22,400
out of chunks of tree. And I'm circling around this thing,

1049
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:26,719
and I look into the front of it, and like

1050
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,880
halfway through it, there's a log or like a big

1051
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,320
you know, like a tree, like a six inch tree

1052
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,599
running through it. And then the left side of it

1053
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:38,639
is like all dirt and like a shelf kind of.

1054
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,559
And on my side of it, where I was standing,

1055
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,440
was just a huge black hole, like a hole in

1056
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:50,159
it going down, and I just I took off and

1057
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:53,639
I told them about it, and we went back to work,

1058
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,079
and then we went back to check it out, you know,

1059
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:01,119
at a later date, not much later, and I had

1060
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:04,159
sat in my truck and recorded that same spot that

1061
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,039
I've seen that just to make sure it wasn't a

1062
01:08:07,079 --> 01:08:11,280
fluke or just anything. And it wasn't. You know, that's

1063
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,599
exactly what we had seen. And we went over there

1064
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,800
and took a really long stick put it down in

1065
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:25,000
that hole, and I never felt bottom. So yeah, I've

1066
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:27,079
had that experience as well. And now it was just

1067
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:28,119
this last year.

1068
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: Holy cow, Mason, let me get this right. You see

1069
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:37,520
all this freaky crap from a distance, and your response is, Hm,

1070
01:08:38,199 --> 01:08:39,279
I need to head over there.

1071
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 1: Yep. I guess I'm just kind of a daredevil, if

1072
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:44,920
you will.

1073
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd say you are. You're not feeing of heart,

1074
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,880
definitely by a long shot. But please remember curiosity did

1075
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,319
kill the cat. I'm wondering, though, what's going on with

1076
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:00,680
this white afro? I mean, was that the head of

1077
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,359
a huge head of a sasquatch that you saw that

1078
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,199
was white. It happened to be white and wind up

1079
01:09:07,239 --> 01:09:09,600
looking like an afro because it was behind the bull

1080
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,680
rush or the cat tails, And that's why I looked

1081
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,920
that way. I wonder what was going on with that.

1082
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, it seemed like it was three totally different things.

1083
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:25,039
Like I seen the big tan ball. It was very

1084
01:09:25,119 --> 01:09:27,279
clear as day, you know, it looked like a tan

1085
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,800
duck blind, but it was perfectly circular, and it was

1086
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:33,880
sticking up good four foot above the cactails, which means

1087
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,800
this ball had to have done pretty big. And it

1088
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,840
was slightly moving around And I stared at that for

1089
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:45,159
a good five six seven seconds until I was like,

1090
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,560
you know, you know, I was like, hey, look at

1091
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,800
that thing. And as he got his head in that direction,

1092
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,920
it had just went down, and I was like, there

1093
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,159
was just a ten ball right there. And then something

1094
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:02,560
stood right up out of the cocktails, totally different from

1095
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,720
the tam You know, it wasn't the tamball. It looked

1096
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,000
like it reminded me of like an old like Cherokee,

1097
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:13,439
Indian or something. It had like blue on its stomach,

1098
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,399
and you know, you could tell it had a face

1099
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,680
like a human. It was it was a human, but

1100
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,279
it had a huge white ball on top of its

1101
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:26,680
head that had to have been at least two and

1102
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:34,079
a half foot, you know, circumference or diameter. And this

1103
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,079
thing just just stood there, perfectly still for a solid

1104
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:41,840
ten seconds, i'd say, and then it just went down.

1105
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,920
And he's seen us too, you know, we've both seen that.

1106
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,960
And then in the video and you could barely see

1107
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
it by person so so far away, but in the

1108
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:54,720
video you can see it very well. There was a big,

1109
01:10:55,119 --> 01:11:02,039
hairy animal right there moving around. That is I don't

1110
01:11:02,039 --> 01:11:04,600
even know how to explain it. It was just the

1111
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,399
wildest thing.

1112
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, how could you explain that? That is freaky? A

1113
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,880
lot of strange things going on. You told us you

1114
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,319
took that stick and tried to reach the bottom with it,

1115
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:18,239
but you couldn't the abyss. Were there any stones around

1116
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:20,000
you could pick up and toss in?

1117
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: No, there wasn't any rocks in that area. I just

1118
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:30,960
grabbed a long, you know, long branch, stuck it down

1119
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,119
in there, and there was no bottom to be felt.

1120
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:36,359
I didn't toss it down in there. I guess I

1121
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:39,920
could ever should have, But you know, I had a

1122
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,520
good eight foot stick and I just went r riding

1123
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,760
it down there. Man, there was nothing in there. It

1124
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:47,960
was hollow, it was deep.

1125
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: Mason Mason, Mason, Oh man, what you've done? Because there

1126
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,159
are definitely creatures around there. You saw that, strange creatures.

1127
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,439
So you're poking a stick down into the abyss. What

1128
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,840
would you've done if one of those freaky creatures would

1129
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,960
have just popped up out of that abyss and grabbed

1130
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,960
you around your legs?

1131
01:12:11,239 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: Al they've been done for. But yeah, I didn't, you know.

1132
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,640
When I seen that there was a huge hole in there,

1133
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:24,199
I took off, and you know, I told my buddy,

1134
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:29,079
my coworker, and showed him the video, and I was like,

1135
01:12:29,119 --> 01:12:31,439
we gotta go back. So we ended up going and

1136
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,520
checking it out, you know, a couple of few days

1137
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,079
later or whatever, and he was with me when I

1138
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:40,239
stuck that stick down there. But I don't know, I

1139
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:45,520
guess I don't know. I don't know what I would

1140
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:45,840
have done.

1141
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: Holy cow, how old were you when you did that?

1142
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,239
Speaker 1: Twenty nine?

1143
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: Twenty nine? Okay, way too old to make a mistake

1144
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:03,359
like that. But I don't know. After all you've been through,

1145
01:13:04,039 --> 01:13:08,520
I'm sure that curiosity was really peaud. I can understand

1146
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,920
how when you're that curious about things like that, how

1147
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,840
you do things that most people kind of look at

1148
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,560
and shake their head. But yeah, I wish you wouldn't

1149
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,920
have done that. You could have definitely lived or regret that,

1150
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:26,640
and maybe not even very long. So wow, that's scary,

1151
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,680
not good at all. Well, I've got another few questions

1152
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,199
for you. The next one is from Cookies and Cream.

1153
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,079
They want to know was it a full moon that

1154
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:36,840
night when you saw the dog man?

1155
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I honestly don't know.

1156
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh that's all right. I'm sure that's the last thing

1157
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,800
that was on your mind at the time. You're some

1158
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,560
mind blown, So no harm, no foul on that. This

1159
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,119
next one up is from Christian and Christiane wants to

1160
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:01,239
know did the dog me and smile at you?

1161
01:14:04,119 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it smiled at us. That it

1162
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:12,520
turned back, turned its head back and looked at us

1163
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,439
just for a brief moment, and then it kept going

1164
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,119
on its way, looked back at us when I got

1165
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:22,039
to the top, and then it looked back, kind of

1166
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:24,479
turned back the way it was stood up on two

1167
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:31,239
feet and walked on two sheet straight ahead into the woods.

1168
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,439
But no, I wasn't smiling at us that I could

1169
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,760
see anyway it was. It was a good distance away,

1170
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:40,880
but very you know, clear as day. There was nothing

1171
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:41,960
obstructing our vision.

1172
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:45,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't sound like it was in the smiling

1173
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,520
mood anyway. It was just concerned about getting some distance

1174
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,319
between you and it. This last one, I'm going to

1175
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:53,960
ask you, because it's almost a quarter after it is.

1176
01:14:54,079 --> 01:14:57,199
Madra's Curizalez, and he wants to know, were there any

1177
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,600
areas that were closed off for in your reason that

1178
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,560
it didn't that up?

1179
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:13,079
Speaker 1: I don't think so, No, I don't think so. No. Yeah,

1180
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:16,760
but Matt Hill going up where we'd seen it running,

1181
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:20,119
people don't really drive up back. It's so steep like

1182
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:24,199
we would and stuff just because we were crazy kids

1183
01:15:24,199 --> 01:15:26,079
and we would ride our garbikes up it, so we

1184
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:28,640
knew exactly how steep it was. But it looks like

1185
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,319
a looks like a wall. I'm almost looking at it

1186
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from one side to the other, so like people don't

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really go right there. They take that two track around

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to the side where Zach and I had seen that

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pauprint and I heard the banging on the tree.

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Speaker 2: As big of an area as it was or is,

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sounds like it's a pretty hard area to close off anyway,

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so that doesn't come as a surprise. Well, what's about

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time for us to get out if you're a Mason,

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But before we do, do you have any closing comments

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you'd like to put out there for us?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you've seen a dog man, please get

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a hold of Vic, and don't be afraid to tell

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your experience because everyone here obviously has something in common

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and that's the dog man. So everybody would love to

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hear you know your experience.

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Speaker 2: That's well said, because yes we would, We definitely would. Well,

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me Snike can't thank you enough for coming on, especially

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on Christmas night, ensuring these experiences with us. I really

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appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, Vic, I'm glad I could be on.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's been great having Yeah, thanks again so much

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for your time and have a great night.

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Speaker 1: Thank you you too, and Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: To use.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you much, we'll see. Well that's it for

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another one. Like I said at the head of the show,

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mirror Christmas everyone, I hope your Christmas has been an

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amazing one and I hope this upcoming year is even

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better than this year was, which, like I said, that

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wouldn't take much. But if you've had a dog mean

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encounter and need help with it, or if you'd like

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to be a guest on the show, all you need

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to do is to go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

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submit a report. If you do that, then I'll contact

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you to schedule a phone conversation so we can find

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out what's going on with your encounter and take it

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from there. But having said that, thanks again, as always

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so much for listening, and have a great night.