Speaker 1: The most terrifying form of evil is that which lurks
Speaker 1: within the human mind. Asylum the ultimate in horror. This
Speaker 1: is an asylum, incurably insane, asylum filled with stark, raving terror.
Speaker 1: From Robert Black, author of Psycho Asylum, the Prison of
Speaker 1: Madness where few enter and non written see Asylum, You
Speaker 1: have nothing to lose but your mind.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Midnight viewers to Anthologies Attack, where we're taking
Speaker 2: a look at anthologies of every genre in media. Antonio
Speaker 2: Lapour is on assignment, but in his stead we have
Speaker 2: a very special guest. Ladies and gentlemen, You're in for
Speaker 2: a treat because tonight's co host is a horror anthology royalty,
Speaker 2: having written From a Whisper to a Scream, Tales from
Speaker 2: the Hood one, two and three, and American Nightmares. As
Speaker 2: a producer, he's cultivated young talent with films like Fear
Speaker 2: of Black Hat, Menace to Society, The Brothers, and my
Speaker 2: personal favorite, Love and A forty five, and for the
Speaker 2: past quarter century he's been at the helm of his
Speaker 2: own films, directing features like Deep bluecy and most recently
Speaker 2: Every Breath She Takes, and more importantly, back in the
Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties. He helped me sneak into a fucking
Speaker 2: super cool party at Comic Con while I was still underage.
Speaker 2: Sharing the Midnight View with me this week is Darren Scott.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Midnight Viewing, Darren.
Speaker 3: Glad to be here. That was the best introduction I've
Speaker 3: ever had.
Speaker 4: Hello, we like our guests to feel welcome here.
Speaker 3: It was great and I love the concept of your show.
Speaker 3: Talking about anthology me personally, I'm a horror anthology nut,
Speaker 3: particularly of the asylum excuse me, of the Amicus horror
Speaker 3: movie of the late sixties and seventies and the Reason
Speaker 3: from a Whisper to a Scream and Tales from the
Speaker 3: whod exists because of my obsession with those in a
Speaker 3: lot of my contemporaries are people maybe one generation down.
Speaker 3: They were in the Creep Show and Tales from the
Speaker 3: Dark Side, you know what. I like those fine, but
Speaker 3: the British Amicus ones, to me, are special. I like
Speaker 3: them better. I put them in a class. Dead of
Speaker 3: Night was kind of the granddaddy, as you know, and
Speaker 3: everything else, including my film, we're just trying to just
Speaker 3: trying to come up to the to the level that
Speaker 3: the thrill I felt watching those stories. I guess maybe
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I got so into them is
Speaker 3: because my favorite television show of all time is Twilight.
Speaker 2: Zone, the original, original Twilight Zone fifty nine to sixty three.
Speaker 3: Eighty yes, and the original Twilight Zone. So when these
Speaker 3: horror anthologies came along, I was a horror fan and
Speaker 3: they kind of had the feel of a Twilight Zone
Speaker 3: of you know, the individual episodes do. So I'm just
Speaker 3: figuring out my own psychology while I love this genre,
Speaker 3: maybe that has something well.
Speaker 2: I mean, the reason we started the show to begin
Speaker 2: with was we wanted to take a look at Tales
Speaker 2: from the Crypt, the television series, and we covered that,
Speaker 2: and then we covered we covered Twilight Zone eighty five,
Speaker 2: and now we're covering Tales from the dark Side.
Speaker 4: Actually, and I I.
Speaker 3: Used to watch those all the time. I was impressed
Speaker 3: by what they were doing with very low budget. So
Speaker 3: that's what impressed me.
Speaker 2: Exceedingly low budgets, and when you look at what was
Speaker 2: going on at the time, because Amazing Stories was on,
Speaker 2: they rather got contemporary. Those episodes cost a million dollars each. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: over it Tells from the Dark Side, they're like anyone
Speaker 2: got any Scotch tape, and the Tales from the Dark
Speaker 2: Sides were so superior.
Speaker 3: They were better, They were better. They didn't have you know,
Speaker 3: rubber wheels on the World War two plane, all the
Speaker 3: coopy stuff. I really wasn't in it, but no, and
Speaker 3: when they brought Tales from the Crypt, I think the
Speaker 3: original movie is probably my favorite.
Speaker 4: Hornhalo, the original Test the Crypt from seventy one.
Speaker 3: Original Tales from the Crypt. I mean, it's story after
Speaker 3: story after story is good, ending with the fantastic blind
Speaker 3: Man story and great great performance. The ending of that
Speaker 3: is just so awesome.
Speaker 4: It's really it's really jarring. The ending of that one.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you that one is it's like
Speaker 2: nothing but bangers and they cram some stories into what
Speaker 2: is essentially a ninety minute running time.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and all the stories are good. I mean,
Speaker 3: did you ever look at Santa the same again? And
Speaker 3: then later we had all these Santa Claus hormon But
Speaker 3: you know what the original was that episode and that's
Speaker 3: what people saw and said, oh, we need to turn
Speaker 3: a hole make a whole feature out of that.
Speaker 2: I watched that every year, The original that the Joan
Speaker 2: Collins Tales from the Crypt. It is so perfect, Like
Speaker 2: I can't even describe it, and I think you use.
Speaker 2: I've shown it to younger people who do not jibe
Speaker 2: with it because no, they find it.
Speaker 4: A little bit hokey.
Speaker 2: And you know, as as violent as the Amicus films were,
Speaker 2: they're not gory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not gory at all.
Speaker 2: So like at the end of that segment, Santa Father
Speaker 2: Christmas comes in to effectively strangle Joan Collins. But it's
Speaker 2: all very stagy and kind of you know, overblown.
Speaker 4: But it shouldn't matter.
Speaker 2: I know, it doesn't matter to me, and it probably
Speaker 2: didn't matter to you either, because it was such a
Speaker 2: fun concept that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and she's a great villains and just a
Speaker 3: concept's trying to balance dealing with this murder and the kid,
Speaker 3: and she doesn't keep the balance together and mommy.
Speaker 4: And her plan was so solid.
Speaker 3: It was a solid plan. It was a solid thing.
Speaker 4: All right. We're not here to talk Tails from the
Speaker 4: Crypt tonight.
Speaker 2: Or it's potentially not superior, but almost an equal in
Speaker 2: Vult of Horror.
Speaker 4: Baltimore doesn't have as many good stories as.
Speaker 3: I like Baltimore. You know, let's go through them just
Speaker 3: real quick. Yeah, for the audience if they don't know
Speaker 3: these films so they can seek them out. Tales from
Speaker 3: the Crypt Master Asylum, awesome, Doctor Tears, House of Horror
Speaker 3: really cool. You know, I don't know why they called
Speaker 3: it takes place on train, so weird. It should have
Speaker 3: been like, you know, the Train of Horror something like that.
Speaker 3: I never can figure out. But anyway, but it's good.
Speaker 3: From Beyond the Grave, which is a really underrated horror anthology.
Speaker 2: And really hard to find actually, or I mean it
Speaker 2: might now be more, but I remember searching for that
Speaker 2: on VHS for fucking ever.
Speaker 3: Hard to find. Yeah, you're right, and I got it
Speaker 3: on DVD and I think I have it in a
Speaker 3: Blu ray format. Now I got a to go look again.
Speaker 3: But I love that one. And the creepiest thing in
Speaker 3: it is Donald Pleasant's daughter because she looks so much
Speaker 3: and it's just freaking weird. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: she was an unattractive lady, no, no, no, she looked
Speaker 3: like Donald. She actually she was kind of cute. Considering
Speaker 3: the fact that she looked like Donald Pleasance. I guess
Speaker 3: she'd call her the cute versions. But she's really spooky
Speaker 3: in her episode, and that's a really good one. The
Speaker 3: House That Drip Blood. I have a quick little background
Speaker 3: store in the House That Drip Blood. I had always
Speaker 3: liked it, but I went and saw it at the
Speaker 3: American Cinematech in Hollywood at the Egyptian Theater. This would
Speaker 3: have been around two thousand and five, two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: I went and I'm watching it start and the title
Speaker 3: comes up. I said, Drip Blood. And I said to myself,
Speaker 3: the Hood That Drip The Hood That Drip Blood. And
Speaker 3: I took it to some executives who I knew at
Speaker 3: lions and they put in development. So I actually wrote
Speaker 3: a horror anthology called The Hood That Drip Blood. Came
Speaker 3: this close to making, but we didn't get it. Made
Speaker 3: changes in the executive suite, all the old stories that happened.
Speaker 3: So I sat on that script and I was like, Ooh,
Speaker 3: I like these episodes. I wish I got to make
Speaker 3: them well. Between Sorry, Lionsgate, I hope they don't sue me.
Speaker 3: I don't think they care. Between American Horror Stories and
Speaker 3: Tales from the Hood two and three, they had the
Speaker 3: Stories from the Hood That Drip Blood sprinkled in them.
Speaker 3: Each movie has one of the stories from me, so
Speaker 3: I've made all those stories.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, Man, that's not it's so
Speaker 2: sad we're not gonna get to see that movie.
Speaker 4: We just can just in.
Speaker 3: Piecemeal exactly like you can see in piecemeal. It's another
Speaker 3: Baltimore is cool. The only one I don't like is Petuergarden,
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry because I love Burgess Meredith. He's one
Speaker 3: of my favorite character actors of all time. He was
Speaker 3: awesome on the Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: A torture Gardener what no, no, no, no, let's talk
Speaker 2: about this because I agree with you.
Speaker 4: What is it about Garden that we just can't get behind?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: For me, part of it is just the way it's shot.
Speaker 4: It feels too greasy.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I can go along with that, And the
Speaker 3: stories just aren't that compelling, and the wrap round is weak.
Speaker 3: It's actually shocking. Will below all the others for me
Speaker 3: because on any given day, I can easily watch any
Speaker 3: of the others and sit down and go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: let's watch Baldipore. Oh let's watch Doctor Tiff. But you say,
Speaker 3: let's watch Torture Garden, And I'm like, I call that
Speaker 3: torture audience.
Speaker 2: That's it's the one anarchist film that I struggled. I
Speaker 2: think it was a multiple night viewing for for Torture Garden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm with you.
Speaker 2: It should be fucking off the charts because it's Burgess
Speaker 2: Meredith as our crypt keeper and it's.
Speaker 4: Written by Robert Block. Is from Beyond the Grave? That's
Speaker 4: their last one? No? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Was that the last one they did? Or was The
Speaker 3: House that.
Speaker 2: No, it's from Beyond the Grave because then it's strong.
Speaker 2: Beyond the Grave great films. After that, a lot of
Speaker 2: the team would get back together to do Monster Club
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 4: But that is technically not an Amicus film, right, No,
Speaker 4: it's not an Oh.
Speaker 3: I know we're supposed to get to Asylum.
Speaker 4: I don't care. Just have to talk about man. I
Speaker 4: love Amicus. I love talking Amicus.
Speaker 3: I just have to share this hilarious story. I saw
Speaker 3: Max Max Rosenbom, who was the producer along with Milton Subotski,
Speaker 3: was a writer producer at the American Cinematech. I don't
Speaker 3: know how many years ago it was something, but Rosenberg
Speaker 3: was like ninety three ninety four. He died a few
Speaker 3: years later, but he was still spry and he was
Speaker 3: still talking a gang of stuff. And he got up
Speaker 3: there after there after we showed it was one of
Speaker 3: the movies. It might have been The House of Your Blood,
Speaker 3: and he starts talking about this and talking about that
Speaker 3: and enjoying the fact. And I would love to enjoy this.
Speaker 3: When you get to ninety three, you can say anything
Speaker 3: you want. What are they going to do? What are
Speaker 3: they going to do? So we would get these older
Speaker 3: guys like Robert Wise or him or something who were
Speaker 3: like ninety or in their late eighties coming they they blast,
Speaker 3: you know. But the funniest one ever was Rosen started
Speaker 3: in on Christopher talking about what an asshole he was,
Speaker 3: how hard he was at work with, what a jerk,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And he went on this three minute
Speaker 3: ranch of just saying all these terrible things, and everyone
Speaker 3: is stunned. We're just sitting there like this. And then
Speaker 3: he gets to the end he smiles and he says.
Speaker 2: I can't say enough bad things about him.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I was like, all of this stuff
Speaker 3: had to be fifty.
Speaker 4: Years ago, and this still tick deck right.
Speaker 3: Great stuff. So asylum, Yes, asylum pulls the distinction for me.
Speaker 3: I think Tales from the Crypt is overall the best
Speaker 3: of the horror anthology, but the best wrap around I
Speaker 3: ever saw was Asylum. Now, there are some people who
Speaker 3: will kindly say to me that they love the wrap
Speaker 3: around the Tales from the Hood, which did turn out
Speaker 3: to be pretty darn good, pretty good, but we're coming afterward,
Speaker 3: and I always defer to the to the original and
Speaker 3: Asylum that wrap around. When I saw it the first time,
Speaker 3: blew me Away, did not expect it, did not expect
Speaker 3: it at all, Doctor Starr.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: You know. I've always been of a mind that the
Speaker 2: wrap around segment for an anthology film is either the
Speaker 2: most important part or the least important. Right, if you're
Speaker 2: going to attempt to weave your wrap around into your store,
Speaker 2: into your film, into the into the framework, the fabric,
Speaker 2: you better be good because because we as an audience,
Speaker 2: we don't care how we're getting the The spongy twinkie
Speaker 2: is just to get that fucking cream in your mouth,
Speaker 2: so it's just a delivery system. So but I do
Speaker 2: agree with you. Of any anthology horror movie, Robert Block
Speaker 2: got it right. He did, because the other even the
Speaker 2: other amicust films, are are laughing very straightforward.
Speaker 3: Come into the vault. I'm John giel Good, and I
Speaker 3: will tell you you know. But they're very simple. Their
Speaker 3: atmospheric I like them, but they're not as clever Asylum.
Speaker 3: It's really clever.
Speaker 2: Let me for those of you who haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: we're probably gonna be spoiling some shit, so you should
Speaker 2: probably go watch it. Build on Amazon Prime right now.
Speaker 2: You can go watch it for free. Go watch it.
Speaker 4: We'll wait, We'll be here when you get back.
Speaker 3: You should watch it.
Speaker 2: But as a summary of the film, I'll give you this.
Speaker 2: This is actually from the British Film Institute. A young
Speaker 2: doctor applies for a job at an asylum and is
Speaker 2: challenged to guess which of several inmates is the former
Speaker 2: head of the institution, who has now who has now
Speaker 2: gone criminally insane?
Speaker 4: Doctor B Starr? The doctor.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The doctor hears the strange stories of how these inmates
Speaker 2: came to be locked away before deciding who he thinks
Speaker 2: is doctor Starr.
Speaker 3: That and he's very cocky that he can figure it
Speaker 3: out too. They challenge him, do you think you can
Speaker 3: figure out who he is? I know I can't.
Speaker 4: It's not even a question to this question that he's
Speaker 4: going to be able.
Speaker 2: To and okay, his entree into the asylum the beginning
Speaker 2: of our wrap around segment. The hospital administrator effectively is
Speaker 2: Patrick McGee, who most folks will know as the writer
Speaker 2: from Clockwork Orrin.
Speaker 3: McGee is awesome and why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's an amicus stalwart.
Speaker 2: He was so sour, our young doctor, our prick of
Speaker 2: a doctor. He he heads off to to our first story. Basically, okay, look,
Speaker 2: he goes upstairs, Patrick McGee, the hospital administrator. This is important.
Speaker 2: The pat the hospital administrator, is in a wheelchair. He
Speaker 2: cannot go upstairs. He doesn't know what's going on in
Speaker 2: the rest of his asylum. So so our cocky young
Speaker 2: guy goes up and meets the orderly who is going
Speaker 2: to escort him around the hawk and we're given our
Speaker 2: first story, which is Frozen Fear. This one reminded me
Speaker 2: a lot of the Vault of Horrors, the the fstidious
Speaker 2: man and and his wife but pieces and and in
Speaker 2: a bit of yeah, man, that's that was.
Speaker 3: Pretty So husband is tired, our wife is tired of
Speaker 3: the other.
Speaker 2: It's like the inverse of that tales from the crypt
Speaker 2: Christmas one. It's that it's a golden husband who is
Speaker 2: tired of his wealthy wife, who's who has her under
Speaker 2: his or has him under her thumb. Also she spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time in Africa and his studying voodoo.
Speaker 2: Maybe don't mess with your wife, sir. But he's got
Speaker 2: a mistress.
Speaker 4: And you know, what do you think of this one? Overall?
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty good. You know, it's fun. It's
Speaker 3: it's the thing about a stile. The stories are very solid,
Speaker 3: but the rapper one is so good that you don't
Speaker 3: even I don't remember all the stories that clearly.
Speaker 2: It's such a weird phenomenon, right, yeah, And it does
Speaker 2: have that similarity.
Speaker 3: It's not the most original, but it's fun. It's fun.
Speaker 4: It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's a little weird in that we're dealing with a
Speaker 2: husband of this wealthy woman and he chops her up
Speaker 2: into pieces because he has a mistress and as soon
Speaker 2: as the deed is done, they're going to run away together.
Speaker 4: He has purchased a.
Speaker 2: Refrigerator, a freezer, you know, like these giant freezers that
Speaker 2: you would stack your meat in, to stack the body
Speaker 2: of his wife, and.
Speaker 3: Then his rap pieces very well.
Speaker 4: Very well, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Clean with the brown paper was you know, you'd.
Speaker 2: Be working at Macy's around Christmas time this fellaw, which
Speaker 2: was weird because he you can tell he spent so
Speaker 2: much time lovingly wrapping it, and then after the fact
Speaker 2: he's hesitant to pick up the head, like now it's
Speaker 2: a frightening object. It wasn't so frightening when it was
Speaker 2: bloody and gory and your wife's head in your hands
Speaker 2: while you were wrapping it.
Speaker 4: But anyway, maybe he was starting.
Speaker 3: To get a premonition of what was going to happen.
Speaker 4: It would be yeah, maybe they're just.
Speaker 3: They had pieces right.
Speaker 2: You know, and you definitely want to throw your wife's
Speaker 2: bracelet in with the body parts when you go to
Speaker 2: leave it there.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: But my point is his mistress says, we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to take that body with us, and the reaction isn't
Speaker 2: like why did we buy the refrigerator?
Speaker 4: When did this happen?
Speaker 3: Maybe she just want to make sure everything was cold,
Speaker 3: so when instinct they took it.
Speaker 2: Out er, they're like, so the one thing I did
Speaker 2: was that they're running away because most most of these
Speaker 2: I'm going to kill my spouse tails and with them
Speaker 2: the body, which means it's no longer a murder case
Speaker 2: as far as the concern, it's going to be a
Speaker 2: missing person's case, which is going to last years and
Speaker 2: years before they're finally declared dead.
Speaker 4: So if this is like an inheritance thing that ain't
Speaker 4: ever gonna.
Speaker 3: Work, well, wasn't there a thing though? Back then and
Speaker 3: in England? And then when did no fault divorce? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I don't know was that around the because there was
Speaker 4: a time.
Speaker 3: When I know, definitely the fifty and I think still
Speaker 3: in the sixties somewhat where it wasn't no fault divorce.
Speaker 3: You had to have a reason, you had to basically,
Speaker 3: and if your spouse didn't want to give you, then
Speaker 3: you had to sue them for divorce, prove that they
Speaker 3: cheated on you or something. People could be actually held
Speaker 3: locked in relationships. She won't give me a divorce. You
Speaker 3: watch old, old classic movies and you'll hear that plotline,
Speaker 3: she won't give me a divorce. And you know, now,
Speaker 3: that's that's so alien that we think. And yet as
Speaker 3: I watch my obsession crime documentary, people knocked their spouses
Speaker 3: off for nothing, reasons, for nothing, for some money, just
Speaker 3: to avoid child support. I mean, it's.
Speaker 4: Going to be slightly inconvenienced. You gotta go, you.
Speaker 3: Gotta go, and they a'll hire some friend to do it,
Speaker 3: and they're surprised when they get caught.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you would be lucky in that scenario to
Speaker 2: have dead body parts come after you, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: just to avoid the sheer humiliation of how poor a
Speaker 2: criminal you.
Speaker 3: Work, exactly. It's embarrassing, but it's much more fun to
Speaker 3: have the supernatural bring justice.
Speaker 4: Now here's the thing.
Speaker 2: One other aspect of this movie and block script that
Speaker 2: I really admire is setting in an asylum automatically makes
Speaker 2: every character an unreliable narrator. So this character there might
Speaker 2: not have been any I mean, their body part, sure,
Speaker 2: because there was something.
Speaker 3: The stories could be told byes. But but if I
Speaker 3: remember correctly, a story, not that one, the one with
Speaker 3: which you have. She has some scar. No, that's is
Speaker 3: that this episode?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's the mistress telling the story and she's
Speaker 2: she's had her back all the time, and then she
Speaker 2: pulls her review that that the body part hand was
Speaker 2: on her face, and then she used the act.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, now I'm remembering, and that is what proves
Speaker 3: that the story that she told was because up till
Speaker 3: then we're kind of thinking this is some crazy making
Speaker 3: to see that.
Speaker 2: Well, all that proves is she hit herself in the
Speaker 2: face with an axe. It doesn't mean that there were
Speaker 2: body parts. Co't look horror needs supernatural.
Speaker 4: I agree with that, but I do like that it
Speaker 4: can go either way.
Speaker 3: If you go either way on that absolutely going.
Speaker 2: Either way leads us to the Weird Tailor. Now, interestingly,
Speaker 2: this was originally published in Weird Tales magazine. The Weird
Speaker 2: Tailor was I just like the the coincidence of Weird
Speaker 2: Tales and Weird Tailor. Now this this is the tale
Speaker 2: of a struggling tailor, let's say busy. This is not
Speaker 2: so great when he's approached by a distinguished gentleman in
Speaker 2: the form of mister Peter Cushing, who hires him to
Speaker 2: to sew a suit for him made of a interesting
Speaker 2: material with a set of instructions that can only be
Speaker 2: described as in a cult manifesto, where he can only
Speaker 2: sew this garment between the hours of midnight and dawn.
Speaker 3: The actor who played the tailor very very morse, very morse.
Speaker 3: He usually played the villain, the creepy guy, the one
Speaker 3: who's danger so it's cool in this one that he's
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, struggling shy. You know, he's
Speaker 3: the opposite of what you usually see that actor. And
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the strengths of it because
Speaker 3: you have cushion, Yeah, cushion, but you know that guy
Speaker 3: usually is diabolical. I remember him, for instance, in this
Speaker 3: Twilight zoneer where this music is played, is a really
Speaker 3: cool bastard who mistreats his wife, mistreat who work for him,
Speaker 3: and he has a player piano and they get this
Speaker 3: special music and when this music plays, he tells ah
Speaker 3: and he exposes all of his weaknesses, his insecurities and
Speaker 3: the fact that I'm only everything scared. But he's so
Speaker 3: evil in that. And then you see him in this
Speaker 3: and he's kind of a timid care That was a bano.
Speaker 4: In the house, by the way, it was the name
Speaker 4: of that TWI yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, And he's a beautiful wife. Wait a second, Wait
Speaker 3: a second. Isn't his wife in that Twilight Zone.
Speaker 4: Episode Joan Hackett? Is it Joan Hackett Hackett?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: What was Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh, the King of diggression.
Speaker 2: That's fine, But what I wanted to say was what
Speaker 2: you're talking about with Barry Morris, sort of playing against
Speaker 2: type here. I think that's also a strength of anthologies
Speaker 2: in general. Yes, so in television because there's so many
Speaker 2: of them, but anthologies in general because you can you
Speaker 2: can put somebody in there. Look, you know what, like.
Speaker 3: Everyone else from the hood. We took a comedian, a
Speaker 3: comic app and turn him into a vicious wife.
Speaker 2: It was David Alan Grier, right, That was which was
Speaker 2: people were shot. Absolutely, if you know what I would say,
Speaker 2: I would tell people go watch Creep Show. If you're
Speaker 2: a big fan of Leslie Nielsen and what a fucking
Speaker 2: hilarious guy he is watching Google Human being on Earth?
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, so here we've got I can hold my breath.
Speaker 2: The Lord he's also really he showed up in Weirdly
Speaker 2: Given the Creep Show aniss of it all. There's an
Speaker 2: episode of Night Gallery with both Fritz Weaver and Leslie Nielsen.
Speaker 4: He was in Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: He was in Zone which it's called a fear where
Speaker 2: Leslie Nielsen is this mercenary who is bet that that
Speaker 2: he cannot spend a night in a haunted house, but
Speaker 2: the haunted house has been rigged up to scare him
Speaker 2: to death.
Speaker 4: By Fritz Weaver. Is that the one with the slime
Speaker 4: No wait, I'm getting mixed up.
Speaker 2: That is the slime one where they've injected him and
Speaker 2: he thinks he's going to turn into a Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it's okay.
Speaker 4: We are the kings of digression. Where the hell are
Speaker 4: we here? They're cushing once a suit.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going through the stories of asylum, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: we can go through them, but I think we've told
Speaker 3: go see the damn movie.
Speaker 4: It's pretty great.
Speaker 3: Do we have to spoil arized the entire film that
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: Uh no, but we can shout out other awesome things
Speaker 2: in the movie, Yes we can, So let's keep all right?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: So yeah, the weird tailor, it's it's you know, you're right,
Speaker 2: let's not spoil it.
Speaker 4: It's good.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's in here. It's it's exactly where
Speaker 2: it needs to be. The second spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, Robert Block stopped working for Amicus after this. He
Speaker 2: did not appreciate them swapping the story placemental Originally that
Speaker 2: first story was the last story.
Speaker 4: He got mad about that, and the last story was
Speaker 4: some from the Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Robert, don't you know that they usually do much worse
Speaker 3: than switch the order of your story. I honestly think I.
Speaker 2: Think it was a I honestly think it was a
Speaker 2: thing about money, and he was just looking for the excuse,
Speaker 2: and he was like, fuss.
Speaker 4: Finally at the end, you.
Speaker 3: Know we'll get Mathison. Dammit.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Chuck Beaumont on the on the horn. Our
Speaker 2: next story is Lucy, Come stay now.
Speaker 4: This one.
Speaker 2: I don't know who decided that they were going to
Speaker 2: put all of my fantasy women into one segment of
Speaker 2: horror anthology and expect me to do anything but drool.
Speaker 2: But this one starts Simpling and Britt Eckland, Fuck you.
Speaker 2: Charlotte Rampling has just gotten out of the hospital and
Speaker 2: her best friend Lucy shows him, and Lucy's a troublemaker.
Speaker 3: Lucy's Lucy's Lucy's kind of like Karen Black. But I
Speaker 3: will give more other clue to those out there who
Speaker 3: we haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Either, speaking of playing against type here now at this
Speaker 2: moment in history, Britt Eckland. Look, they're both sex symbols,
Speaker 2: Britt Eckland and Charlotte Rampling, right, But Britt Britt Eckland
Speaker 2: was the nice girl next door sex symbol and Charlotte
Speaker 2: Rampling was sort of the bad girl, and here they've
Speaker 2: kind of swapped rolls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, brick, but yeah, that's true. Britt was pretty.
Speaker 2: Bad and Wickerman, well, everyone was bad at Wall I
Speaker 2: saw and I'm gonna say, like twenty ten, maybe they
Speaker 2: showed they weren't.
Speaker 4: So I drove specifically to see it and I was great.
Speaker 2: I'm standing outside of the theater and I'm alone out
Speaker 2: there except for this blonde standing two feet away from me,
Speaker 2: and it was fucking oh my god. And man, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I got to talk. Yeah, she's shorter than me.
Speaker 2: I'm six two, she was like five nine.
Speaker 3: That's still tall. Yeah, yeah, yeah, jesus Us stamp.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's great here. I like I like naughty
Speaker 4: Britt Eckling.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this one has a cool twist, which when
Speaker 3: I saw it the first time, I did not see
Speaker 3: And like I said, we've seen it done in other things.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's more telegraphed for modern audiences than
Speaker 4: you and I watching it on a TV and a
Speaker 4: fucking kitchen when we were ten.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it must. I'm sure it must be. But
Speaker 3: on the other hand, will they know using you know,
Speaker 3: in Trilogy of Terrors, in that particular episode, it's the
Speaker 3: same act, so you know, it throws you off a
Speaker 3: little bit more having Yeah, two different people play the
Speaker 3: alter so I think this one will probably actually fool
Speaker 3: them more consistently than even and I love Trill Care,
Speaker 3: but even than that ending episode of that that they
Speaker 3: probably spotted right things and stuff and to me, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it works pretty well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is might hold up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this one is superior to the Trilogy
Speaker 2: of Terror. It is similarity. Okay, Trilogy Care, A little
Speaker 2: born on the Zoo, the.
Speaker 3: That's that's it. I do a second episode where hypnotizes
Speaker 3: the guy.
Speaker 4: To man that I can't believe that was on national television.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like having her fuck his friends and
Speaker 2: stuff like and like.
Speaker 3: It was deadly. It was he was a monster. And
Speaker 3: I'll never forget you drugged me, No, dear, I've killed you.
Speaker 2: Yeah in that wax cup, yeah, man like perspiring wax cup.
Speaker 2: All right, everybody go once again, watch the movie. We're
Speaker 2: going to the final set, talk about.
Speaker 3: These things in the hope that hear it and go, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I need to see that. I need to see that one,
Speaker 3: because people do need to see so many people, even filmmakers,
Speaker 3: genre filmmakers, they didn't want to go back and look
Speaker 3: at anything from the twentieth century, and they definitely don't
Speaker 3: want to go back past the eighty.
Speaker 2: And anyone who that they can't find anything to watch,
Speaker 2: I want to strangle as.
Speaker 3: Too much to watch now, that's that's the issue.
Speaker 4: Everything is available now.
Speaker 2: I would When we were kids, man, it was just like,
Speaker 2: here's your three channels. It's going to beat uh pan,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna jam commercials into it. You're never gonna
Speaker 2: enjoy yourself. But we really enjoyed ourselves and we wanted
Speaker 2: more and more and more, and we were denied. And
Speaker 2: now they got everything and they don't care too much.
Speaker 3: They have too much. And that's why, you know, for me,
Speaker 3: I love the universal horror movie. I got into film noir.
Speaker 3: I got it the black and white fine, we had
Speaker 3: you know, everything on at first we had a black
Speaker 3: and white television, but then once we got color television,
Speaker 3: still all the old movie we'ren't black and white. My
Speaker 3: father's favorite actor with Reboca, so we would watch all that.
Speaker 3: And now younger people, younger the millennials down, they will
Speaker 3: not watch them. It can be the greatest movie. Oh
Speaker 3: it's in black and white, like what it gets silent? Right,
Speaker 3: you know you've seen black and white before because everyone
Speaker 3: while was a modern in that boy, it's hard to
Speaker 3: get people to sit and that's the damn shit. In
Speaker 3: this particular case, they should see Dead of fantastic.
Speaker 2: I worry that the TikTok generation won't sit still for
Speaker 2: Dead of No, No they won't. Well they should, and
Speaker 2: you should be watching Asylum as well, you pricks.
Speaker 3: But if they're listening to this podcast, there's a chance
Speaker 3: they can do. So. Yeah, that's why we're.
Speaker 4: Doing that, is true.
Speaker 2: You know what, I guess we should mention Herbert Lahm
Speaker 2: here because he's fucking fantastic and I always love seeing Yeah,
Speaker 2: mainly known comedically from those fucking Pink Panther movies. But
Speaker 2: the reason he's so, he's such a good dramatic actor
Speaker 2: and got just like one scene basically here, and he's
Speaker 2: fucking captivating. Do you know what when somebody says the
Speaker 2: words of the Dead Zone the Stephen King movie, I
Speaker 2: think of Herbert lam.
Speaker 4: He said that movie few seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you know everything is the whole thing
Speaker 3: with people that are constantly looking for the origin of
Speaker 3: story elements in modern and then they attack them because
Speaker 3: if they can figure out what an antecedent to, what
Speaker 3: previous use of that story element and another thing that
Speaker 3: gives them something to rip it and say, oh, that's
Speaker 3: just X, not realizing that all the movies that they
Speaker 3: love that they think are so original, they just don't know.
Speaker 3: They just don't know where that came, you know. And
Speaker 3: most of the things that you see in modern sci
Speaker 3: fi and horror, you know, especially if it's twisty at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, the sixth Sense is just a big Twilight
Speaker 3: Twilight Zone. I always keep coming back to it because
Speaker 3: when I need to get because everything you see now
Speaker 3: is just it's taken from three or four or five
Speaker 3: Twilight Zones and they just put it together. But you
Speaker 3: find all those twists in an episode. That's why I.
Speaker 4: Said we're gonna wrap things up here.
Speaker 2: But I do have a very particular question for you now,
Speaker 2: very since it's a very very important question. What is
Speaker 2: your favorite two Light Zone episode?
Speaker 3: That would be impossible. There are so many that I adore,
Speaker 3: but our names, but I'll name a few that have
Speaker 3: been influential. Sometimes I don't have a title memrized.
Speaker 4: I'll help if I can.
Speaker 3: I did it. I did it one time, getting but
Speaker 3: one day it was influential on Tales from the Hood.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just name ones that have had influence. Because
Speaker 3: I had a twilight his own festival and all my friends,
Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna play my favorite. It went on
Speaker 3: for thirty six hours because there was so many I
Speaker 3: was playing. I played half the friend show. People were coming, going, leaving,
Speaker 3: coming back. That is the greatest.
Speaker 4: If you do that again, coming, I.
Speaker 3: Will, And it was fantastic. But I'll tell you one
Speaker 3: that was very influential was the one with Lee Marvin
Speaker 3: Lee van Cleeve, where Lee Marvin goes up to the grave.
Speaker 3: He's been dared by this guy who's supposed to be
Speaker 3: hunting down and everybody bets him that he won't have
Speaker 3: the nerve to go up to the hill at midnight
Speaker 3: because this guy before he died said this guy ever comes,
Speaker 3: So they hate if he ever comes anywhere near my grave.
Speaker 3: And I come and I'm gonna crap, And so nobody
Speaker 3: thinks Lee Marvin will have the guts to do it.
Speaker 3: Lee Marvin goes up there. He does it, plunges the
Speaker 3: knife into the ground to prove that he was there,
Speaker 3: and then as he starts to get up, we see
Speaker 3: him go and he's yanked back down. And the next
Speaker 3: morning they go up there and they find him. And
Speaker 3: what's so creepy about it is his sister who has
Speaker 3: been taunting and telling them you want mess with etc.
Speaker 3: Lee van Cleef has a theory. He says, it's clear
Speaker 3: what happened. He had this long coat on. He kneeled
Speaker 3: over the grave, plunge the knife into the grave and
Speaker 3: didn't realize that he plunged it through his own coat.
Speaker 3: So when he got up to leave, he felt a
Speaker 3: tug had a heart died right there. He was already
Speaker 3: scared half to death. That killed him. And the sister says, oh,
Speaker 3: you think that's what happened? What wind? What direction was
Speaker 3: the wind blowing northeast same as not. She stands over
Speaker 3: the grave, she takes this cloak that she has, she
Speaker 3: spreads it. We see that the wind is blowing the
Speaker 3: cloak away from not to and it's such a creepy.
Speaker 3: A good twilight zone always sent a shival.
Speaker 2: That is the grave that's the name of that episode,
Speaker 2: and that was that was actually James Best, not not
Speaker 2: Lee Marvin.
Speaker 4: In that one, Lee Marvin was in Steel.
Speaker 3: Lee Marvin's James Best. This one, Lee Marvin is the
Speaker 3: tough guy and James Best the wimpy asshole who who
Speaker 3: wants to bet it and that really infuriately Marvin. But
Speaker 3: you are, you're a scaredy cat, you're a coward and
Speaker 3: you're betting me on mine. So anyway, how that relates
Speaker 3: to Tales from the Hood that actually supposed to be
Speaker 3: the end of the doll EPs real. Yes, what was
Speaker 3: supposed to happen was the dolls chase him around and
Speaker 3: then the next day they come in and they find
Speaker 3: him hanging hung from the ceiling and they said, well,
Speaker 3: it's clear he killed him. So he climbed up on
Speaker 3: the table and did this and we actually shot it,
Speaker 3: but the tables way over there. How did he get
Speaker 3: onto it and someone stands underneath him and it was
Speaker 3: supposed to be like that, Yeah, and we finished, but
Speaker 3: the studio said, you know, this episode needs more of
Speaker 3: a punch at the instead.
Speaker 4: Instead of a mystery, just kind of creepy mystery.
Speaker 3: They said, we'll give you another one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, you can go back and the dolls eating.
Speaker 3: And that's what we did. And in a rare case, the.
Speaker 2: Studio was I didn't have a problem.
Speaker 3: It was a better ending. It was a better ending.
Speaker 3: They give us some money to do it. Hey, so anyway,
Speaker 3: we'll be here. We could be here for six hours
Speaker 3: if I start going through all of it. But that's
Speaker 3: one that had an impact on something. I mentioned that.
Speaker 3: Obviously everyone that Burgess married, if we talked about they
Speaker 3: were all.
Speaker 4: And had that tingle that that you mentioned.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so his were great. The Jack Klugman's were great.
Speaker 3: I'm going by actors, the ones Jack Klugman when we
Speaker 3: were great. Thirty great episodes.
Speaker 4: Of Twilight Zone. Episode of all time is the Howling.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, Charles.
Speaker 2: The talk about a spine chilling thing where that's the
Speaker 2: fucking slow zoom in on that door with the little
Speaker 2: thing coming off at the end and there's like a
Speaker 2: puff of smoke and a howl and that's where we
Speaker 2: cut to black at the end.
Speaker 4: Fuck you, rud Certainly I didn't sleep for weeks.
Speaker 3: That's a creepy one, especially the transformation as he walks
Speaker 3: past the pillars. Is cleverly done because they didn't have
Speaker 3: me Compewter and it's cool and you like and the
Speaker 3: old LaDue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're good, they're good.
Speaker 3: It's no, that's a great one. That's a great one.
Speaker 3: There's so many that's great. Have me on again. Sometimes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll talk to talk about Twilight Zone, but we have
Speaker 3: to cut it into you know, sci fi space or
Speaker 3: brother because that's the only way that my love for
Speaker 3: the show is manageable where I can say, Okay, well
Speaker 3: let's talk about those. Otherwise I'm talking about thirty forty
Speaker 3: different Well.
Speaker 2: I can super narrow the genre down for you know,
Speaker 2: make it super specific, like it has to have this
Speaker 2: and this and this, this kind of an element that'll
Speaker 2: be fun. Actually, I'll come up with some of them.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, that sounds great.
Speaker 2: Mister Darren Scott. What have you got coming out? You
Speaker 2: got anything working on you want to let the people
Speaker 2: know about.
Speaker 3: We're working actually on the TV series version of Tales
Speaker 3: from Hopefully we're going to be able to get it off.
Speaker 3: There got some great stories, so your fingers and you'll
Speaker 3: see the Sea Tales from the Hood live on and
Speaker 3: I will the circling full back the way that the
Speaker 3: wrap around works and tales would not have existed if
Speaker 3: not for Acyl because connecting it to a story and
Speaker 3: finding out, oh, my wrap around characters are characters from
Speaker 3: a story. Bah blah blah. That's because the side and everything,
Speaker 3: and of course the Clarence Williams part of it, what
Speaker 3: could have been a nice part.
Speaker 4: And incredibly he's real scary at the end. Then he's
Speaker 4: really scary. Clarence Williams could always be scary.
Speaker 2: Remember that movie Against the Wall, the Attica prison riot movie,
Speaker 2: the Frankenheimer.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, oh he just had this gravitass
Speaker 3: that makes him.
Speaker 2: Hot soup motherfucker. He lives in my brain, that that
Speaker 2: version of Clarence Williams, the unhinged version.
Speaker 4: Let's allow again.
Speaker 2: We'll digress forever here, sir, I'm gonna ride it all right,
Speaker 2: great once again, Thank you for joining us here at.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. I really enjoyed it entirely.
Speaker 4: Our pleasure, man, and stay in touch. We should do
Speaker 4: this again sometimes.
Speaker 3: I'm totally up for it. I had a good time,
Speaker 3: all right, I'll talk to you soon. A minute