WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:53.359 Yeah, welcome back, everybody to calling all beings True Crime 2 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.039 Unsolved or TCU. I'm your host, DJ, here to talk 3 00:00:57.079 --> 00:00:59.600 about a little bit of Karen Reid action. You can 4 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:01.399 hear my throat's a little bit messed up. I've been 5 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:04.400 sick the last couple of days. Just move to Colorado. 6 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:07.239 But we're going to talk a little bit about the 7 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:12.400 case and get into some critical thinking that can be 8 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.040 used when analyzing what's going on here. It seems like 9 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:19.840 in certain segments of the population it's in short supply. 10 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:23.000 So we're gonna get into it with you. Jump up 11 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:25.920 in the comments, and if somebody wants a vine and 12 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.480 they want to come up up in here and talk 13 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:32.840 to me, more than likely I will welcome you in. Okay, 14 00:01:32.920 --> 00:01:35.439 unless just like a crazy person, then I might not. 15 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.439 But if you do want to get up in here 16 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.799 and you DM me on Twitter, I can send you 17 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:45.799 the link to join the show. So, without further ado, 18 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.959 just well, one a little more Ado. Okay, before I 19 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:52.959 jump into the case, it's just people that don't know me. 20 00:01:54.439 --> 00:01:58.200 My name is obviously DJ. You know that I am 21 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.959 a native of New York, proud graduate of hender Cutson 22 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:06.840 High School, went to College ed Dean in Massachusetts, didn't 23 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.759 graduate from there, but was a law enforcement major as 24 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:13.960 where A lot of my teammates in nineteen eighty five 25 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.080 eighty six were Ellie majors. And I'm super duper proud 26 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:20.960 of all those guys, and we have yearly reunions. My 27 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.520 background is Air Force Special Operations. I come from the 28 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:32.000 aviation side of special operations. Critical thinking is part and 29 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.520 parcel and is mandatory in the type of work that 30 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:41.280 I did. And if you can't think critically quickly and 31 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:45.360 analyze things, then you're not going to make it very far. Okay, 32 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.919 now I'll jump into the Karen Reid case. Let me 33 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.599 check the comments, just to welcome whomever is here. Hi, Tom, 34 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.400 how are you? Brother? How are you? Tom? Finch is 35 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:59.680 in the question what made me move to Colorado? I'll 36 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:03.520 just say it was work. I can't really get into 37 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:07.039 what I'm doing out here. I apologize about that, but 38 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:12.520 it was work and I'm happy. Thank you. Thank you 39 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:14.840 so much, Tom for the by the way, not guilt, 40 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:16.960 didn't keep up the good work. I appreciate you. So 41 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.280 I'm gonna step through some things here. Oh. I borrowed 42 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:23.039 that from a former colleague. Of mine. I'm gonna step 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:26.919 through a couple things in the case here, and hopefully 44 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:31.199 you guys can join me in analyzing this so that 45 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.520 we can figure out what makes sense and what doesn't 46 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:40.360 make sense, because it really doesn't care Massachusett. What's up, Tom? Yeah? 47 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.360 I love Massachusetts. Like I said, my teammates from Dean 48 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:48.560 College all Massachusetts guys. A lot of them were law 49 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.800 enforcement because law enforcement was a major that was offered 50 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:58.120 at Dean. And as I said, we started yearly reunions. 51 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.520 I missed last year, but we're this year. I will 52 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:08.840 get there. And I love Massachusetts because it was one 53 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.919 of the best years of my entire life. I'm fifty 54 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.680 seven years old and one of the best years of 55 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:19.000 my entire life was being at Dean in Massachusetts and 56 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:22.519 as an eighteen year old and being welcomed into the community. Okay, 57 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.839 let us jump into it, friends, let me know. If 58 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.240 the mic doesn't sound good, if it's too loud or 59 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.319 anything like that, feel free to let me know and 60 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:39.199 we'll make adjustments as necessary. Let us start off at 61 00:04:39.199 --> 00:04:44.519 the waterfall. Thank goodness for micro dots. Micro Dots is 62 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:48.000 such a g I love your work, micro Dots. If 63 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:54.160 you're out there, and that video provided provided something for 64 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.720 me that I could actually see what was going on. 65 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:01.680 Because if you've been in barroom situation and you've been 66 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:07.000 in a fight before and you've seen fights develop in 67 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:11.439 a barroom situation, you know exactly what was happening there, 68 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:17.040 and that's clear. And I'm just I'm going to skip 69 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:22.839 around all this sparring stuff because that is really it's 70 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.519 very helpful and it does help to paint the picture. 71 00:05:25.959 --> 00:05:30.040 But it's quite subjective, right because we you know, a 72 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:32.959 lot of guys do jack around in a bar and 73 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.279 maybe in a joking way, and maybe it has nothing 74 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.399 to do with somebody that's getting ready to fight, or 75 00:05:39.279 --> 00:05:41.839 I mean, I've done that with people in a bar. 76 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.959 When I go home to my hometown, I go to 77 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:48.040 an Italian restaurant. There's a great wrestler from our high 78 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.360 school that owns the restaurant and is the PITSI ole 79 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.560 there and he'll clinch with me. He knows that I 80 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:58.240 was a not a good wrestler, but as a jiu 81 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.959 jitsu guy, and he'll clinch with me. He wants clinch 82 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:04.600 with me, and he'll clinch and just see if he 83 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.360 can get an aventage in the clinch so that these 84 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:11.160 things do happen. So I don't want people to think 85 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.839 that just Brian and Brian jacking around like that means 86 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:18.240 that they were Brian was. This is just in my opinion, 87 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.839 and I am open to all the other analysts that 88 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:23.480 look at this that may see something more than I do. 89 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.720 But what I'm gonna get to is the point. Okay, 90 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:30.399 and my mic, my boom, mic is right here, my 91 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.639 boom goes off off this way to uh, my left 92 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:36.639 and your right. But here's what I'm gonna show you. 93 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.639 When when Higgy Pooh, let me see if I can 94 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.240 get when Higgy Pooh does this and points that finger, 95 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.120 and I'm moving back from the mic so that my 96 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.439 finger's there, and it's doing like this and nodding his 97 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:53.399 head and he's actually having to go around. Whether it 98 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.040 was Chris Albert or Brian Albert, I can't tell these 99 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:59.720 people apart, there's no question in my mind that was 100 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.800 all out for a fight. That was do you want 101 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:07.399 some of this? Mother? You want some of this? That's 102 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.879 what the Hey, what's up? Jerry Lynn? Thank you, ma'am. 103 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.040 I appreciate you. You're awesome too. Thank you for dropping in. 104 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.839 So if you guys got comments, questions, whatever, and if 105 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:18.519 somebody wants to come on here and you hit me 106 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.720 up on Twitter, I will send you the link via DM. 107 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:26.000 In fact, let me check my Twitter real quick, because 108 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.240 if someone wants to get me, they're gonna have to. 109 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.000 Uh that's the way to get the link. Uh, So 110 00:07:32.079 --> 00:07:35.439 let me just check real quick. And I don't have 111 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.319 any dms, so we're good. But if anybody does want 112 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:39.759 to get up in here, that's how I can get 113 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:41.920 up in here if you want to discuss. Okay, so 114 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:45.839 here we are. So we have we have Brian Higgins 115 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.560 without no doubt in my mind. Do you want some 116 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:52.319 of this mother effort? Do you? Oh? Somebody's calling me. 117 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:58.319 They can't do that during the somebody who's calling me 118 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.000 during the show. He's calling me back, but I'll try 119 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.759 him later. He seems to call one of them on air, 120 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:08.920 one of my buddies from Intel. Anyway. All right, So 121 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:10.639 so now that we have that, we have, we have that, 122 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.279 and then we have backing up because we need some 123 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:17.199 sort of empirical evidence. Was the text you come in? 124 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:21.439 Question mark? Question mark question mark, And there's no question 125 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.279 that if you're smart that if you are a Brian 126 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:27.680 Albert or you are a selectman and Chris Albert, I 127 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.199 know those are all should be tongue in cheek jokes. 128 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:36.720 But they're not. Then thank you so much, Charlie, and 129 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.360 I appreciate it. Man. If that's the case, then you're 130 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.399 not gonna want to do this in public. Nobody is 131 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.559 gonna want two behemoths fighting in public at the waterfall 132 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.399 and then have the Canton Police called and there's like, 133 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:55.919 you know, at least two police officers, three police officers 134 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:59.159 president of that, including Brian Higgins, and who knows if 135 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.000 there was other police officers there, because I know there's 136 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:07.600 one Canton police officer that spoke with el Heffe Sean 137 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:13.360 Sean excuse me now, I'm forgetting his name. I'm thinking 138 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.759 of Leopardo eight, Sean McDonough, the great supervisory retired d agent. 139 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.080 And Sean McDonough says that there's a Canton police officer said, 140 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.399 if I go out to an establishment, either a bar 141 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:27.000 or a restaurant and I see Brian Albert, I turn 142 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:29.600 around and leave, and I'm if I'm there and he 143 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.360 comes in, I leave, So that that should trigger something 144 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:36.080 in your mind as to what some people think about Brian. 145 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.039 So so now we know there was meant to be 146 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.679 a fight. We know that because of the point which 147 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.480 only means one thing, Do you want some of this? 148 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:50.720 You want some of this? Pal that only means one 149 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.399 thing in a bar, we know what that means. I'm 150 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:55.919 gonna I don't want to use curse words, but we 151 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.879 know what that means. Secondly, we have the text to 152 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:03.679 back it up, and the text to back it up 153 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.080 is are you coming here? So now we know why 154 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:10.720 John wants to go to that house, because now we 155 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.759 have to go in from the mind of Brian Higgins, 156 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:16.600 the guy who wasn't getting the attention from Karen, who 157 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.679 had her her back to that whole side of the bar. 158 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.799 She was facing John. She was facing the other way 159 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.840 from where Brian and Brian and Chris and so forth 160 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:35.679 were standing. So we have that. Now John from his 161 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.240 standpoint is do i want to show that I'm afraid 162 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.240 of this guy? Then I'm afraid of this fat mofo 163 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.960 as I'm gonna do, like Sean McDonough by the way, 164 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:49.720 next week, So next week, when when you come on 165 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.279 calling all being true crime and soft? One week from 166 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.879 today at this time, you will have Sean McDonough, you 167 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:00.720 will have Nurse Kim, you will have True Crime Kangaroo, 168 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.320 and you'll have Miss Shorty and the first person who 169 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.919 I built this round mas of media will be here. 170 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.480 So next week will we will have this? And what 171 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:13.320 is Tom said? I'm coming from an ankle injury ad yesterday, 172 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:18.320 Payne kicking in about now, I am two. I am 173 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.600 fifty seven. Chris Albert, I am too, So he Itune 174 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.840 fifty seven. Albert seems to try to escalate, de escalate. Yes, 175 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.320 I agree with you, Tom. I believe that's what we 176 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:31.720 were looking at right there. I believe that was some 177 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:35.200 sort of a de escalation attempt. And like I said, 178 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.080 you have a selectman, you had at least three police 179 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:41.639 officers that we know of. You wouldn't want there to 180 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.399 be a fight inside the waterfall with police officers and 181 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:49.519 selectman present. Okay, so now you have them. Oh you're 182 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:53.480 going to the after party over thirty four Fairview. And 183 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:56.639 now we have John's motivation to at least go there, 184 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:59.759 because what he would have had to say to Karen 185 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:04.000 in order for her to sit outside is I'm going 186 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.679 in for a few minutes and I'll be right back. 187 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.759 And then obviously she waited out there for ten minutes. 188 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.720 Whatever she said it was, she's probably looking and checking 189 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.559 her phone and she's probably thinking, if this I am 190 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:20.120 going home and he'll call me when he wants to ride. 191 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.120 John's motivation was I'm gonna show these guys I'm not 192 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.240 scared of this fat ass. That's what he's thinking is 193 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:32.080 I want to show I'm not scared. There's no question 194 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:36.399 in my mind that that's what happened. Here's where I'm 195 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:42.840 gonna go from reasonably objective to subjective, and that's what 196 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:46.080 happened inside. And I'm not going to stray too far 197 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.080 down this rabbit hole for the reason that we don't 198 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.000 know exactly what happened. But there are some things that 199 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.840 critical thinking and common sense can tell us. And here's 200 00:12:56.919 --> 00:13:03.440 what I mean by that. If Brian know, Brian a 201 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:09.399 knows that Brian Higgins wants to fight this guy, and Chris, 202 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.039 who I don't think went to the home, knows that. 203 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:17.879 But Brian Albert certainly knows that he's texting this guy, 204 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:22.799 this Boston cop to come over here. Brian Albert knows 205 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.279 that he wants to have some sort of an altercation, right, 206 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:32.720 So if you're Brian Albert and you're a fighter yourself, 207 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.759 and also I'll challenge that notion. Let me see if 208 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:38.679 I can get both fingers in here in the camera. 209 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.440 I will challenge the notion that Brian Albert is an 210 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:46.600 MMA fighter. I don't. I have not seen any evidence 211 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.360 or see anyone make a claim. I've heard a couple 212 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.279 of analysts refer to him as an MMA fighter. I 213 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.080 don't know that he's an MMA fighter. First of all, 214 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.759 I've trained MMA. I was a training partner for an 215 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.200 MMA team. I am not an MMA fighter. I would 216 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:05.519 never call myself an MMA fighter because in order to 217 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:08.159 do that, I would have had to have competed in 218 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.000 the cage in MMA fighting, and I didn't. I was 219 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:14.679 just a training partner for guys. Okay, same with jiu jitsu, 220 00:14:14.840 --> 00:14:17.759 you know, I was a training partner for guys that competed. 221 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.000 I don't consider myself a jiu jitsu fighter, but I 222 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:24.039 do have a lot of friends that are so. Brian Albert, 223 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.840 by all accounts, was some sort of a boxer. Was 224 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.440 he a competitive boxer, I don't know. Was he a 225 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.039 dude that just went and sparred in the gym. I 226 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.600 don't know did he actually compete. Maybe he did, maybe 227 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:40.960 they had police boxing now, who knows, but I don't know. 228 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.159 I have heard people refer to Brian as an MMA fighter. 229 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.840 I have seen no evidence that Brian Albert was an 230 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:50.440 MMA fighter. Not that it's material, but what it does 231 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.759 leads you. He's the mindset of a guy. And Sean 232 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.240 McDonough has brought this up at nauseum about him beating 233 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:01.440 up other cops, beating up up his guys that were 234 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:05.240 on his team on the fugitive Recovery team. You know, 235 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:07.799 he talked about I believe his name is Eddie Hernandez. 236 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.360 But he's brought up guys that Brian has gotten in 237 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.200 fights with other cops and he almost killed by smashing 238 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.120 him in the head with a bottle a Boston fireman. Okay, 239 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.240 So that's those are things that we know and I 240 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.919 trust if Sean tells you that, you can take it 241 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.639 to the bank. So so now we're at the house. 242 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:28.919 Now we have John walking in there trying to show 243 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:34.960 that he's not scared. Okay, he's not scared of Brian Higgins. 244 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.519 So if you're Brian Albert, what type of a scenario 245 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.120 do you want to see here? You know, the type 246 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:45.600 of a scenario that you would want to see is, 247 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.039 if there is going to be a tussle, we're going 248 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:53.200 to go downstairs where I have a gym setup. Did 249 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.360 Brian have a heavy bag down there? I don't know. 250 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.480 Did he have a speed bag down there? Did he 251 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.720 have a place where he could do work on his 252 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.480 foot work in his hands? Maybe he did, Maybe he 253 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.159 did to have that, I don't know, but he certainly 254 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:07.440 had a by all accounts, he had at least a 255 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:09.919 weight room in some sort of fitness room. So if 256 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.639 there's gonna be a fight, you're not gonna have them 257 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.000 fight in your house proper. You're not gonna have him 258 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:18.799 fight in the living room or in the kitchen, or 259 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.720 in the den, or in the dining room, or in 260 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:24.320 a bedroom or in a bathroom. You're gonna have him 261 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:28.080 fight in the basement, or you're gonna see if somebody 262 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:33.840 wants to fight, go downstairs and have at it. That's 263 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:40.080 what is most likely happened because we know why Brian, 264 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.320 We know Brian Higgins wanted him to go over there, 265 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:47.679 and we know why, and we know that John O'Keefe, why, 266 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.200 as a man that's been having a few beers, why 267 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.440 he would want to go over there to show I'm 268 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:58.120 not afraid of you. Bro. Okay, I'm here. What are 269 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:02.519 you gonna do? I'm not afraid of you man. So 270 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.000 now we have those are the things that we sort 271 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:12.799 of we know leading up to it, we stares that 272 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.799 Brian Brian Albert, considering himself a fighter or a tough 273 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:19.799 guy or a guy who likes to get in fights, 274 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:25.160 that he would want any altercation to occur somewhere out 275 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.559 of the main part of his home where stuff can 276 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.960 get broken. There's no nobody would Nobody would do that 277 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.160 and say, yeah, fight in my living room. If you 278 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:35.799 guys want to face down one another and see what's up, 279 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.640 then let's go down to the basement. That's how obviously 280 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:41.960 we would end up in the basement. And of course 281 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.240 Steve Scanlon, this is what he had told to if 282 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:48.720 you know where he's to be believed, this is what 283 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:54.960 he had told Ynetti days after Karen was charged. Now 284 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.960 I want to go to from there. I want to 285 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:04.160 go to when actually John O'Keefe's body, God rest his soul, 286 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.119 when he's found on there, and I want to say, 287 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.880 I want to say, you know, justice for John O'Keefe, 288 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.000 and I hope that you get it, man, I really do, 289 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.680 because this is you know, there you go right there, 290 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:24.880 Free Karen Reid, Justice for John O'Keeffe. It's awful what 291 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:28.880 happened to this guy. He obviously is a great guy. 292 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.799 He's a flawed person like all of us. Who knows, 293 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.279 you know, when our eye wanders, who knows you know 294 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.640 about that kind of stuff. But he took on those 295 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.839 he suffered loss, He took on those children and treated 296 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:45.240 him like his own and man, what an awesome guy 297 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:49.000 for doing that. So so now I want to get 298 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:53.400 to the part where the police come. So we I'm 299 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:54.880 not going to go into the whole thing with the 300 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.680 tail light, because you guys have all heard that, heard 301 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:01.200 quite a bit about her backing out of the garage 302 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.480 on the ring camera and she has seen bumping John's 303 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:10.480 his Chevy traverse and there goes your crack tailte So 304 00:19:10.559 --> 00:19:15.200 that that that happened. Okay, we we know that. Now 305 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:18.920 what I want to talk about is the police coming. 306 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:22.000 And what we're gonna go with here, folks, in this 307 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:25.400 thought experiment is we're gonna go with the premise that 308 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:30.119 the owner of the house is not a infamous, famous 309 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:34.759 or infamous Boston Police officer sergeant of the future Fugitive 310 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:38.000 Recovery Team, that he is, in fact a guy named 311 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:41.079 Lion Smith. We're just gonna make up a name Lyonsmith. 312 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:46.640 So now the police arrive at this home, uh Canon 313 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:53.519 police fire ems and nobody from the home is outside 314 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:58.880 to speak with the investigating officers, who quickly figure out 315 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:03.519 via his wife that this is Boston Police officer, which 316 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:08.359 likely I'd imagine it Boston Police Officer John O'Keeffe. Now 317 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:13.279 we have a really serious situation and the person or 318 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:17.799 persons who own this home, who which they are unaware of, 319 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:20.839 who that is what would be likely happen. So now 320 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.319 you're an officer on the scene. It's not a famous 321 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.440 Canton family, the Albert family that everybody knows where they live, 322 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.559 obviously because the Albert kids grew up there. It had 323 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:33.039 been in there, that home had been in their family 324 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:41.519 for over fifty years. So with that in mind, going 325 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.480 to have the police are going to go knock on 326 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.640 the door and go where is the owner of this home? 327 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.599 After they do a very brief interview with the witnesses, 328 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.200 which would have been Carrie Roberts, which would have been 329 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:59.640 Karen Reid, which would have been Jen and they would 330 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.559 have tried to figure out what's going on. They would 331 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:05.440 have asked Karen Reid, this is you know? She would 332 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.279 have said, that's my boyfriend. How did he get here? 333 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.759 And without question, she would have said, I dropped him 334 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:19.279 off here last night after midnight, sometime after midnight. There's 335 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:22.119 no question that that would happen. Now we're going to 336 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.640 go through the critical thinking exercise. What is the next 337 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.400 thing that the Canton police are going to do? If 338 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:33.119 they don't know who the owner of this home is? 339 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.400 And there's the body that's still alive of a Boston 340 00:21:38.480 --> 00:21:45.359 police officer with blacked out eyes, with abrasions over his eyes, 341 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:49.839 across his nose, his eyes were shut and looking like 342 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:55.839 he got beat up. How is that? What is going 343 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:58.200 to be their response? Well, the first thing, and I 344 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:01.359 submit this to you, and I ask you if you 345 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:06.119 think I'm incorrect about this, and what Tom Finch here 346 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:09.200 is saying, most guys grow up? Yeah, and move on 347 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:12.599 from that. Now, I'm with you, and thank you so 348 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:14.640 so much. If you're still watching Terry LND. I really 349 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.920 appreciate this. We're gonna be keep doing true crime stuff. 350 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.839 We've got. We've got a whole investigation that we did 351 00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.200 that has nothing to do with Karen Reid for missing 352 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:25.799 persons that we're gonna present. But being there, I just 353 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.039 moved and I still got to go get my family. 354 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.599 It's gonna take some time. Let's go back to the case. 355 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:34.799 The logical thing that the police are gonna do. If 356 00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:36.680 they don't know who the homeowners, they're gonna call the 357 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:40.400 dispatcher and they're gonna ask who owns the home? Who 358 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.599 owns this thirty four fairview. They're gonna ask that question 359 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.400 if they haven't already been told by dispatch who the 360 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.920 homeowner is. Who is not outside to greet fire ems 361 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:58.079 police and a shrieking girlfriend who would have told the 362 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.960 police on scene I dropped him off here last night. 363 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:09.119 She would have told him that. The next thing that 364 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:14.400 is going to happen that any intelligent, critical thinking human 365 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.759 being is going to do is going to go up 366 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:23.759 and go knocking on the door. Can police, would you 367 00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:31.960 open the door please? You know, ringing the doorbell, knocking 368 00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:37.559 on the door. Eventually, the owner of the home. Who 369 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.200 is not a famous Boston police officer, but it is 370 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.720 mister Lyon Smith, and Lion Smith is going to answer 371 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:51.400 the door eventually and say, hey, what's going on? Oh? 372 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:56.599 We found there is a person incapacitated on your front 373 00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:00.160 lawn right there, guy dying on your front lawn. You 374 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:06.440 know who that is? No, who is it? Oh? Well 375 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.160 it's Boston Police officer John O'Keefe. Oh is it? Now? 376 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:15.519 All the events that took place the night before are 377 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:18.759 in play. So the owner of the home, the not 378 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:27.240 famous Lion Smith, and his buddy Lion Groggins was also there, 379 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:31.000 but he is also, in this case not an ATF agent. 380 00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.960 He's a landscaper, okay. And they're all out at the 381 00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:39.759 bar at the waterfall. So was he in your house 382 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.839 last night? Because they're saying there was some sort of 383 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.880 a party here after the waterfall. Were you with him 384 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.400 at the waterfall? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I was with him. 385 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:53.920 He never came in the house. Oh really, because his 386 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.799 girlfriend over there just told me that she dropped him 387 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.279 off here after midnight and then she waited ten minutes 388 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:06.400 for him. He didn't come out, and she left and 389 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:12.839 went back to his house. Nope, it's never in the house. 390 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:18.039 Do you mind if we come in and look around, 391 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.559 you know what, You're gonna have to get a search warrant. 392 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:24.400 If you want to come in the house, we're gonna 393 00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:27.599 have to get a search warrant. Why is there you 394 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.480 have anything to hide anything, anything happened here? Nope, but 395 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.920 I'm not letting you in unless you have a search warrant. Okay, okay, 396 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.160 we have these units. We're gonna stay right here and 397 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.440 we're gonna watch this team and we're gonna call the 398 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.279 DA's office. This guy at the front lawn a Boston 399 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.559 Police officer. We're gonna get a search warrant. We'll get 400 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:56.359 inside this house. So don't disturb anything you can try, 401 00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.799