Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back, everybody to calling all beings True Crime
Speaker 1: Unsolved or TCU. I'm your host, DJ, here to talk
Speaker 1: about a little bit of Karen Reid action. You can
Speaker 1: hear my throat's a little bit messed up. I've been
Speaker 1: sick the last couple of days. Just move to Colorado.
Speaker 1: But we're going to talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: case and get into some critical thinking that can be
Speaker 1: used when analyzing what's going on here. It seems like
Speaker 1: in certain segments of the population it's in short supply.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into it with you. Jump up
Speaker 1: in the comments, and if somebody wants a vine and
Speaker 1: they want to come up up in here and talk
Speaker 1: to me, more than likely I will welcome you in. Okay,
Speaker 1: unless just like a crazy person, then I might not.
Speaker 1: But if you do want to get up in here
Speaker 1: and you DM me on Twitter, I can send you
Speaker 1: the link to join the show. So, without further ado,
Speaker 1: just well, one a little more Ado. Okay, before I
Speaker 1: jump into the case, it's just people that don't know me.
Speaker 1: My name is obviously DJ. You know that I am
Speaker 1: a native of New York, proud graduate of hender Cutson
Speaker 1: High School, went to College ed Dean in Massachusetts, didn't
Speaker 1: graduate from there, but was a law enforcement major as
Speaker 1: where A lot of my teammates in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 1: eighty six were Ellie majors. And I'm super duper proud
Speaker 1: of all those guys, and we have yearly reunions. My
Speaker 1: background is Air Force Special Operations. I come from the
Speaker 1: aviation side of special operations. Critical thinking is part and
Speaker 1: parcel and is mandatory in the type of work that
Speaker 1: I did. And if you can't think critically quickly and
Speaker 1: analyze things, then you're not going to make it very far. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'll jump into the Karen Reid case. Let me
Speaker 1: check the comments, just to welcome whomever is here. Hi, Tom,
Speaker 1: how are you? Brother? How are you? Tom? Finch is
Speaker 1: in the question what made me move to Colorado? I'll
Speaker 1: just say it was work. I can't really get into
Speaker 1: what I'm doing out here. I apologize about that, but
Speaker 1: it was work and I'm happy. Thank you. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, Tom for the by the way, not guilt,
Speaker 1: didn't keep up the good work. I appreciate you. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step through some things here. Oh. I borrowed
Speaker 1: that from a former colleague. Of mine. I'm gonna step
Speaker 1: through a couple things in the case here, and hopefully
Speaker 1: you guys can join me in analyzing this so that
Speaker 1: we can figure out what makes sense and what doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense, because it really doesn't care Massachusett. What's up, Tom? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I love Massachusetts. Like I said, my teammates from Dean
Speaker 1: College all Massachusetts guys. A lot of them were law
Speaker 1: enforcement because law enforcement was a major that was offered
Speaker 1: at Dean. And as I said, we started yearly reunions.
Speaker 1: I missed last year, but we're this year. I will
Speaker 1: get there. And I love Massachusetts because it was one
Speaker 1: of the best years of my entire life. I'm fifty
Speaker 1: seven years old and one of the best years of
Speaker 1: my entire life was being at Dean in Massachusetts and
Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old and being welcomed into the community. Okay,
Speaker 1: let us jump into it, friends, let me know. If
Speaker 1: the mic doesn't sound good, if it's too loud or
Speaker 1: anything like that, feel free to let me know and
Speaker 1: we'll make adjustments as necessary. Let us start off at
Speaker 1: the waterfall. Thank goodness for micro dots. Micro Dots is
Speaker 1: such a g I love your work, micro Dots. If
Speaker 1: you're out there, and that video provided provided something for
Speaker 1: me that I could actually see what was going on.
Speaker 1: Because if you've been in barroom situation and you've been
Speaker 1: in a fight before and you've seen fights develop in
Speaker 1: a barroom situation, you know exactly what was happening there,
Speaker 1: and that's clear. And I'm just I'm going to skip
Speaker 1: around all this sparring stuff because that is really it's
Speaker 1: very helpful and it does help to paint the picture.
Speaker 1: But it's quite subjective, right because we you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of guys do jack around in a bar and
Speaker 1: maybe in a joking way, and maybe it has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with somebody that's getting ready to fight, or
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done that with people in a bar.
Speaker 1: When I go home to my hometown, I go to
Speaker 1: an Italian restaurant. There's a great wrestler from our high
Speaker 1: school that owns the restaurant and is the PITSI ole
Speaker 1: there and he'll clinch with me. He knows that I
Speaker 1: was a not a good wrestler, but as a jiu
Speaker 1: jitsu guy, and he'll clinch with me. He wants clinch
Speaker 1: with me, and he'll clinch and just see if he
Speaker 1: can get an aventage in the clinch so that these
Speaker 1: things do happen. So I don't want people to think
Speaker 1: that just Brian and Brian jacking around like that means
Speaker 1: that they were Brian was. This is just in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and I am open to all the other analysts that
Speaker 1: look at this that may see something more than I do.
Speaker 1: But what I'm gonna get to is the point. Okay,
Speaker 1: and my mic, my boom, mic is right here, my
Speaker 1: boom goes off off this way to uh, my left
Speaker 1: and your right. But here's what I'm gonna show you.
Speaker 1: When when Higgy Pooh, let me see if I can
Speaker 1: get when Higgy Pooh does this and points that finger,
Speaker 1: and I'm moving back from the mic so that my
Speaker 1: finger's there, and it's doing like this and nodding his
Speaker 1: head and he's actually having to go around. Whether it
Speaker 1: was Chris Albert or Brian Albert, I can't tell these
Speaker 1: people apart, there's no question in my mind that was
Speaker 1: all out for a fight. That was do you want
Speaker 1: some of this? Mother? You want some of this? That's
Speaker 1: what the Hey, what's up? Jerry Lynn? Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You're awesome too. Thank you for dropping in.
Speaker 1: So if you guys got comments, questions, whatever, and if
Speaker 1: somebody wants to come on here and you hit me
Speaker 1: up on Twitter, I will send you the link via DM.
Speaker 1: In fact, let me check my Twitter real quick, because
Speaker 1: if someone wants to get me, they're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: Uh that's the way to get the link. Uh, So
Speaker 1: let me just check real quick. And I don't have
Speaker 1: any dms, so we're good. But if anybody does want
Speaker 1: to get up in here, that's how I can get
Speaker 1: up in here if you want to discuss. Okay, so
Speaker 1: here we are. So we have we have Brian Higgins
Speaker 1: without no doubt in my mind. Do you want some
Speaker 1: of this mother effort? Do you? Oh? Somebody's calling me.
Speaker 1: They can't do that during the somebody who's calling me
Speaker 1: during the show. He's calling me back, but I'll try
Speaker 1: him later. He seems to call one of them on air,
Speaker 1: one of my buddies from Intel. Anyway. All right, So
Speaker 1: so now that we have that, we have, we have that,
Speaker 1: and then we have backing up because we need some
Speaker 1: sort of empirical evidence. Was the text you come in?
Speaker 1: Question mark? Question mark question mark, And there's no question
Speaker 1: that if you're smart that if you are a Brian
Speaker 1: Albert or you are a selectman and Chris Albert, I
Speaker 1: know those are all should be tongue in cheek jokes.
Speaker 1: But they're not. Then thank you so much, Charlie, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. If that's the case, then you're
Speaker 1: not gonna want to do this in public. Nobody is
Speaker 1: gonna want two behemoths fighting in public at the waterfall
Speaker 1: and then have the Canton Police called and there's like,
Speaker 1: you know, at least two police officers, three police officers
Speaker 1: president of that, including Brian Higgins, and who knows if
Speaker 1: there was other police officers there, because I know there's
Speaker 1: one Canton police officer that spoke with el Heffe Sean
Speaker 1: Sean excuse me now, I'm forgetting his name. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of Leopardo eight, Sean McDonough, the great supervisory retired d agent.
Speaker 1: And Sean McDonough says that there's a Canton police officer said,
Speaker 1: if I go out to an establishment, either a bar
Speaker 1: or a restaurant and I see Brian Albert, I turn
Speaker 1: around and leave, and I'm if I'm there and he
Speaker 1: comes in, I leave, So that that should trigger something
Speaker 1: in your mind as to what some people think about Brian.
Speaker 1: So so now we know there was meant to be
Speaker 1: a fight. We know that because of the point which
Speaker 1: only means one thing, Do you want some of this?
Speaker 1: You want some of this? Pal that only means one
Speaker 1: thing in a bar, we know what that means. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I don't want to use curse words, but we
Speaker 1: know what that means. Secondly, we have the text to
Speaker 1: back it up, and the text to back it up
Speaker 1: is are you coming here? So now we know why
Speaker 1: John wants to go to that house, because now we
Speaker 1: have to go in from the mind of Brian Higgins,
Speaker 1: the guy who wasn't getting the attention from Karen, who
Speaker 1: had her her back to that whole side of the bar.
Speaker 1: She was facing John. She was facing the other way
Speaker 1: from where Brian and Brian and Chris and so forth
Speaker 1: were standing. So we have that. Now John from his
Speaker 1: standpoint is do i want to show that I'm afraid
Speaker 1: of this guy? Then I'm afraid of this fat mofo
Speaker 1: as I'm gonna do, like Sean McDonough by the way,
Speaker 1: next week, So next week, when when you come on
Speaker 1: calling all being true crime and soft? One week from
Speaker 1: today at this time, you will have Sean McDonough, you
Speaker 1: will have Nurse Kim, you will have True Crime Kangaroo,
Speaker 1: and you'll have Miss Shorty and the first person who
Speaker 1: I built this round mas of media will be here.
Speaker 1: So next week will we will have this? And what
Speaker 1: is Tom said? I'm coming from an ankle injury ad yesterday,
Speaker 1: Payne kicking in about now, I am two. I am
Speaker 1: fifty seven. Chris Albert, I am too, So he Itune
Speaker 1: fifty seven. Albert seems to try to escalate, de escalate. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Tom. I believe that's what we
Speaker 1: were looking at right there. I believe that was some
Speaker 1: sort of a de escalation attempt. And like I said,
Speaker 1: you have a selectman, you had at least three police
Speaker 1: officers that we know of. You wouldn't want there to
Speaker 1: be a fight inside the waterfall with police officers and
Speaker 1: selectman present. Okay, so now you have them. Oh you're
Speaker 1: going to the after party over thirty four Fairview. And
Speaker 1: now we have John's motivation to at least go there,
Speaker 1: because what he would have had to say to Karen
Speaker 1: in order for her to sit outside is I'm going
Speaker 1: in for a few minutes and I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And then obviously she waited out there for ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Whatever she said it was, she's probably looking and checking
Speaker 1: her phone and she's probably thinking, if this I am
Speaker 1: going home and he'll call me when he wants to ride.
Speaker 1: John's motivation was I'm gonna show these guys I'm not
Speaker 1: scared of this fat ass. That's what he's thinking is
Speaker 1: I want to show I'm not scared. There's no question
Speaker 1: in my mind that that's what happened. Here's where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go from reasonably objective to subjective, and that's what
Speaker 1: happened inside. And I'm not going to stray too far
Speaker 1: down this rabbit hole for the reason that we don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what happened. But there are some things that
Speaker 1: critical thinking and common sense can tell us. And here's
Speaker 1: what I mean by that. If Brian know, Brian a
Speaker 1: knows that Brian Higgins wants to fight this guy, and Chris,
Speaker 1: who I don't think went to the home, knows that.
Speaker 1: But Brian Albert certainly knows that he's texting this guy,
Speaker 1: this Boston cop to come over here. Brian Albert knows
Speaker 1: that he wants to have some sort of an altercation, right,
Speaker 1: So if you're Brian Albert and you're a fighter yourself,
Speaker 1: and also I'll challenge that notion. Let me see if
Speaker 1: I can get both fingers in here in the camera.
Speaker 1: I will challenge the notion that Brian Albert is an
Speaker 1: MMA fighter. I don't. I have not seen any evidence
Speaker 1: or see anyone make a claim. I've heard a couple
Speaker 1: of analysts refer to him as an MMA fighter. I
Speaker 1: don't know that he's an MMA fighter. First of all,
Speaker 1: I've trained MMA. I was a training partner for an
Speaker 1: MMA team. I am not an MMA fighter. I would
Speaker 1: never call myself an MMA fighter because in order to
Speaker 1: do that, I would have had to have competed in
Speaker 1: the cage in MMA fighting, and I didn't. I was
Speaker 1: just a training partner for guys. Okay, same with jiu jitsu,
Speaker 1: you know, I was a training partner for guys that competed.
Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a jiu jitsu fighter, but I
Speaker 1: do have a lot of friends that are so. Brian Albert,
Speaker 1: by all accounts, was some sort of a boxer. Was
Speaker 1: he a competitive boxer, I don't know. Was he a
Speaker 1: dude that just went and sparred in the gym. I
Speaker 1: don't know did he actually compete. Maybe he did, maybe
Speaker 1: they had police boxing now, who knows, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have heard people refer to Brian as an MMA fighter.
Speaker 1: I have seen no evidence that Brian Albert was an
Speaker 1: MMA fighter. Not that it's material, but what it does
Speaker 1: leads you. He's the mindset of a guy. And Sean
Speaker 1: McDonough has brought this up at nauseum about him beating
Speaker 1: up other cops, beating up up his guys that were
Speaker 1: on his team on the fugitive Recovery team. You know,
Speaker 1: he talked about I believe his name is Eddie Hernandez.
Speaker 1: But he's brought up guys that Brian has gotten in
Speaker 1: fights with other cops and he almost killed by smashing
Speaker 1: him in the head with a bottle a Boston fireman. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's those are things that we know and I
Speaker 1: trust if Sean tells you that, you can take it
Speaker 1: to the bank. So so now we're at the house.
Speaker 1: Now we have John walking in there trying to show
Speaker 1: that he's not scared. Okay, he's not scared of Brian Higgins.
Speaker 1: So if you're Brian Albert, what type of a scenario
Speaker 1: do you want to see here? You know, the type
Speaker 1: of a scenario that you would want to see is,
Speaker 1: if there is going to be a tussle, we're going
Speaker 1: to go downstairs where I have a gym setup. Did
Speaker 1: Brian have a heavy bag down there? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Did he have a speed bag down there? Did he
Speaker 1: have a place where he could do work on his
Speaker 1: foot work in his hands? Maybe he did, Maybe he
Speaker 1: did to have that, I don't know, but he certainly
Speaker 1: had a by all accounts, he had at least a
Speaker 1: weight room in some sort of fitness room. So if
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a fight, you're not gonna have them
Speaker 1: fight in your house proper. You're not gonna have him
Speaker 1: fight in the living room or in the kitchen, or
Speaker 1: in the den, or in the dining room, or in
Speaker 1: a bedroom or in a bathroom. You're gonna have him
Speaker 1: fight in the basement, or you're gonna see if somebody
Speaker 1: wants to fight, go downstairs and have at it. That's
Speaker 1: what is most likely happened because we know why Brian,
Speaker 1: We know Brian Higgins wanted him to go over there,
Speaker 1: and we know why, and we know that John O'Keefe, why,
Speaker 1: as a man that's been having a few beers, why
Speaker 1: he would want to go over there to show I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid of you. Bro. Okay, I'm here. What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? I'm not afraid of you man. So
Speaker 1: now we have those are the things that we sort
Speaker 1: of we know leading up to it, we stares that
Speaker 1: Brian Brian Albert, considering himself a fighter or a tough
Speaker 1: guy or a guy who likes to get in fights,
Speaker 1: that he would want any altercation to occur somewhere out
Speaker 1: of the main part of his home where stuff can
Speaker 1: get broken. There's no nobody would Nobody would do that
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, fight in my living room. If you
Speaker 1: guys want to face down one another and see what's up,
Speaker 1: then let's go down to the basement. That's how obviously
Speaker 1: we would end up in the basement. And of course
Speaker 1: Steve Scanlon, this is what he had told to if
Speaker 1: you know where he's to be believed, this is what
Speaker 1: he had told Ynetti days after Karen was charged. Now
Speaker 1: I want to go to from there. I want to
Speaker 1: go to when actually John O'Keefe's body, God rest his soul,
Speaker 1: when he's found on there, and I want to say,
Speaker 1: I want to say, you know, justice for John O'Keefe,
Speaker 1: and I hope that you get it, man, I really do,
Speaker 1: because this is you know, there you go right there,
Speaker 1: Free Karen Reid, Justice for John O'Keeffe. It's awful what
Speaker 1: happened to this guy. He obviously is a great guy.
Speaker 1: He's a flawed person like all of us. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know, when our eye wanders, who knows you know
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff. But he took on those
Speaker 1: he suffered loss, He took on those children and treated
Speaker 1: him like his own and man, what an awesome guy
Speaker 1: for doing that. So so now I want to get
Speaker 1: to the part where the police come. So we I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go into the whole thing with the
Speaker 1: tail light, because you guys have all heard that, heard
Speaker 1: quite a bit about her backing out of the garage
Speaker 1: on the ring camera and she has seen bumping John's
Speaker 1: his Chevy traverse and there goes your crack tailte So
Speaker 1: that that that happened. Okay, we we know that. Now
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about is the police coming.
Speaker 1: And what we're gonna go with here, folks, in this
Speaker 1: thought experiment is we're gonna go with the premise that
Speaker 1: the owner of the house is not a infamous, famous
Speaker 1: or infamous Boston Police officer sergeant of the future Fugitive
Speaker 1: Recovery Team, that he is, in fact a guy named
Speaker 1: Lion Smith. We're just gonna make up a name Lyonsmith.
Speaker 1: So now the police arrive at this home, uh Canon
Speaker 1: police fire ems and nobody from the home is outside
Speaker 1: to speak with the investigating officers, who quickly figure out
Speaker 1: via his wife that this is Boston Police officer, which
Speaker 1: likely I'd imagine it Boston Police Officer John O'Keeffe. Now
Speaker 1: we have a really serious situation and the person or
Speaker 1: persons who own this home, who which they are unaware of,
Speaker 1: who that is what would be likely happen. So now
Speaker 1: you're an officer on the scene. It's not a famous
Speaker 1: Canton family, the Albert family that everybody knows where they live,
Speaker 1: obviously because the Albert kids grew up there. It had
Speaker 1: been in there, that home had been in their family
Speaker 1: for over fifty years. So with that in mind, going
Speaker 1: to have the police are going to go knock on
Speaker 1: the door and go where is the owner of this home?
Speaker 1: After they do a very brief interview with the witnesses,
Speaker 1: which would have been Carrie Roberts, which would have been
Speaker 1: Karen Reid, which would have been Jen and they would
Speaker 1: have tried to figure out what's going on. They would
Speaker 1: have asked Karen Reid, this is you know? She would
Speaker 1: have said, that's my boyfriend. How did he get here?
Speaker 1: And without question, she would have said, I dropped him
Speaker 1: off here last night after midnight, sometime after midnight. There's
Speaker 1: no question that that would happen. Now we're going to
Speaker 1: go through the critical thinking exercise. What is the next
Speaker 1: thing that the Canton police are going to do? If
Speaker 1: they don't know who the owner of this home is?
Speaker 1: And there's the body that's still alive of a Boston
Speaker 1: police officer with blacked out eyes, with abrasions over his eyes,
Speaker 1: across his nose, his eyes were shut and looking like
Speaker 1: he got beat up. How is that? What is going
Speaker 1: to be their response? Well, the first thing, and I
Speaker 1: submit this to you, and I ask you if you
Speaker 1: think I'm incorrect about this, and what Tom Finch here
Speaker 1: is saying, most guys grow up? Yeah, and move on
Speaker 1: from that. Now, I'm with you, and thank you so
Speaker 1: so much. If you're still watching Terry LND. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate this. We're gonna be keep doing true crime stuff.
Speaker 1: We've got. We've got a whole investigation that we did
Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with Karen Reid for missing
Speaker 1: persons that we're gonna present. But being there, I just
Speaker 1: moved and I still got to go get my family.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take some time. Let's go back to the case.
Speaker 1: The logical thing that the police are gonna do. If
Speaker 1: they don't know who the homeowners, they're gonna call the
Speaker 1: dispatcher and they're gonna ask who owns the home? Who
Speaker 1: owns this thirty four fairview. They're gonna ask that question
Speaker 1: if they haven't already been told by dispatch who the
Speaker 1: homeowner is. Who is not outside to greet fire ems
Speaker 1: police and a shrieking girlfriend who would have told the
Speaker 1: police on scene I dropped him off here last night.
Speaker 1: She would have told him that. The next thing that
Speaker 1: is going to happen that any intelligent, critical thinking human
Speaker 1: being is going to do is going to go up
Speaker 1: and go knocking on the door. Can police, would you
Speaker 1: open the door please? You know, ringing the doorbell, knocking
Speaker 1: on the door. Eventually, the owner of the home. Who
Speaker 1: is not a famous Boston police officer, but it is
Speaker 1: mister Lyon Smith, and Lion Smith is going to answer
Speaker 1: the door eventually and say, hey, what's going on? Oh?
Speaker 1: We found there is a person incapacitated on your front
Speaker 1: lawn right there, guy dying on your front lawn. You
Speaker 1: know who that is? No, who is it? Oh? Well
Speaker 1: it's Boston Police officer John O'Keefe. Oh is it? Now?
Speaker 1: All the events that took place the night before are
Speaker 1: in play. So the owner of the home, the not
Speaker 1: famous Lion Smith, and his buddy Lion Groggins was also there,
Speaker 1: but he is also, in this case not an ATF agent.
Speaker 1: He's a landscaper, okay. And they're all out at the
Speaker 1: bar at the waterfall. So was he in your house
Speaker 1: last night? Because they're saying there was some sort of
Speaker 1: a party here after the waterfall. Were you with him
Speaker 1: at the waterfall? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I was with him.
Speaker 1: He never came in the house. Oh really, because his
Speaker 1: girlfriend over there just told me that she dropped him
Speaker 1: off here after midnight and then she waited ten minutes
Speaker 1: for him. He didn't come out, and she left and
Speaker 1: went back to his house. Nope, it's never in the house.
Speaker 1: Do you mind if we come in and look around,
Speaker 1: you know what, You're gonna have to get a search warrant.
Speaker 1: If you want to come in the house, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to get a search warrant. Why is there you
Speaker 1: have anything to hide anything, anything happened here? Nope, but
Speaker 1: I'm not letting you in unless you have a search warrant. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we have these units. We're gonna stay right here and
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch this team and we're gonna call the
Speaker 1: DA's office. This guy at the front lawn a Boston
Speaker 1: Police officer. We're gonna get a search warrant. We'll get
Speaker 1: inside this house. So don't disturb anything you can try,
Speaker 1: but we will have terming a team in here and
Speaker 1: we will look at this house. We'll get a search warrant.
Speaker 1: So let's say, you know, eight hours later, maybe that
Speaker 1: someone comes and those officers switch out, nobody leaves, nobody
Speaker 1: comes in, and they have search warrant. This is where
Speaker 1: we can end this part of the case right here,
Speaker 1: because we know at least this aspect of the case,
Speaker 1: because we know what happens from here. From here, if
Speaker 1: you know, he John would have passed God rest his
Speaker 1: soul and on the way to the hospital, and he
Speaker 1: would have they would have called the state police. The
Speaker 1: state police would have come in, they would have helped them.
Speaker 1: They would have even bolstered the case for a search warrant,
Speaker 1: and they would have gotten a search warrant, and they
Speaker 1: would have gone in that house. And if they went
Speaker 1: in that house, especially if they had brought a crime
Speaker 1: scene investigation team, there's no question once they got to
Speaker 1: that basement, they were going to find blood. And if
Speaker 1: you know, even if they would have tried to bleach
Speaker 1: it out the luminol I have I've seen investigators in
Speaker 1: CSI units say, you can do whatever you want to
Speaker 1: do if this kind of blood is spilled, I'm going
Speaker 1: to find it. I'm going to find it. I'm going
Speaker 1: to find a drop of that blood. You can try
Speaker 1: as you may, get the steam cleaner out for the carpet,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, I'm going to find it.
Speaker 1: And we all know that the only way to really
Speaker 1: with those blood stains is you can't really get rid
Speaker 1: of them yet to replace the carpet, well, they're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to do that, I'm afraid, and
Speaker 1: they will find them in the carpet fibers. They're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to do that in the in
Speaker 1: the span of time that they would have had between
Speaker 1: when they knocked on the door and when a search
Speaker 1: warrant arrived. So we know that. So at this point
Speaker 1: they would have found So let's and that part of
Speaker 1: the case here and then we'll move on to the
Speaker 1: next part of the case. So the next part of
Speaker 1: the case is they would have those guys would have
Speaker 1: been brought down, they would have been put in interview
Speaker 1: rooms separated. They would have let those guys stew in
Speaker 1: those rooms, unable to call everybody. They would have gotten
Speaker 1: the search warrants for the phones, so they would have
Speaker 1: had Lion Smith's phone, and they would have had Lion
Speaker 1: Goggin's phone that night. And who knows, they may have
Speaker 1: even gotten other people's phones, but at least those two.
Speaker 1: They may have gotten more phones from more people who
Speaker 1: were in the home, whether it be the wife, whether
Speaker 1: it be the nephew, whomever was there that they once
Speaker 1: they had interviewed and found out, I want to know
Speaker 1: in the name of everybody that was in this house
Speaker 1: last night. So there would have been that then what
Speaker 1: would have happened is they would have known already that
Speaker 1: a lieutenant who is now deputy chief of Police in
Speaker 1: Canton lived across the street and had a ring camera
Speaker 1: video and you all know, let's hear. So we got
Speaker 1: some something else from Tom here. Tom, I believe the
Speaker 1: call was already in not to go to the Alberts home.
Speaker 1: I think Jen was texting bro. Yes, No, there's no question.
Speaker 1: What we're trying to do with this thought experiment here, Tom,
Speaker 1: is we are trying to establish what would have happened
Speaker 1: if it was a non script Canton resident that owned
Speaker 1: the home. And so I use the name Lion Smith.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm trying to be tongue in cheek here. It
Speaker 1: could be Tom Jones who owned the home, but someone
Speaker 1: to whom the Canton police was not known who owned
Speaker 1: that home and lived at that address. Because we all
Speaker 1: know that the Canton police know quite well who owned
Speaker 1: the home and who lived at that address. So therefore,
Speaker 1: in order to go through the critical thinking experiment, this
Speaker 1: thought experiment here, we need to change the identity of
Speaker 1: the person who owned the home and the other you know,
Speaker 1: who we believe is a co conspirator. We have to
Speaker 1: change those names to see how would the police have
Speaker 1: reacted if it were those persons. Are you with me?
Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody's with me now, mention let me know something
Speaker 1: in the comments if you don't understand, or if you
Speaker 1: have an opinion about what I'm saying, or you want
Speaker 1: something clarified, or if you have an alternative idea to
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I'm trying to play this out.
Speaker 1: So the Canton police when they arrive after the nine
Speaker 1: to one one call by Jen McCabe, which is recorded
Speaker 1: on Karen Reid's phone which was in the back seat,
Speaker 1: off of John O'Keefe's voicemail himself, and her very calm
Speaker 1: voice calling nine to one one is mean on the
Speaker 1: lone at thirty filat you and all that I know.
Speaker 1: I've practiced that, and trying to distance herself, not saying
Speaker 1: he's my friend, and all the bs that she was
Speaker 1: saying in court, and then the second part where she
Speaker 1: had to do it again because they forwarded her. And
Speaker 1: then of course the part where it seems as though
Speaker 1: she's saying help is on the way when she dials
Speaker 1: what was her sister's number. We don't know what her
Speaker 1: sister said, but it appears that she's saying help is
Speaker 1: on the way. So if you have a question comment,
Speaker 1: please put it up there. If you feel like blessing us,
Speaker 1: either with a super chat or a cash app, that
Speaker 1: would be awesome. And if you don't, that's also awesome.
Speaker 1: And and we'll get you on you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: into it with you here. Let me check Twitter real quick. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so we're good on Twitter. So so with
Speaker 1: all that said, now, what are the next things that
Speaker 1: the police are going to do? Yeah, if you mean
Speaker 1: in the real world, not in Kent, the next thing
Speaker 1: that they would do if they didn't know this homeowner
Speaker 1: is they're going they're going to already know that the
Speaker 1: then lieutenant and now Deputy Chief Keller Her lived across
Speaker 1: the street, and they're going to just go and knock
Speaker 1: on his door and say, hey, boss, you know, do
Speaker 1: you have an Obviously they're going to see that he
Speaker 1: has a ring camera, and obviously that lieutenant or deputy
Speaker 1: chief whatever he was at that time, is then going
Speaker 1: to give them the foot that shows Karen Reid pulling up,
Speaker 1: It shows John O'Keeffe getting out, It shows looks like
Speaker 1: he's walking toward the door, and then it's going to
Speaker 1: show her leaving, and it may show him depending upon
Speaker 1: the angle of that camera. It also would show him
Speaker 1: entering the house and not coming out. And it also
Speaker 1: obviously would show when the ford Edge pulled up in
Speaker 1: front of there. It would show Lucky going by, it
Speaker 1: would show the ford Edge, and it would show when
Speaker 1: the ford Edge was moved and the body was left.
Speaker 1: There was in the spot behind where the ford Edge
Speaker 1: was sparked. So all that would have been on the
Speaker 1: Deputy chiefs camera, or it would have been on one
Speaker 1: of the neighbors cameras if that canvas of the entire
Speaker 1: street of anybody whose ring camera was within a degree
Speaker 1: angle in which it would capture activities in front Brian
Speaker 1: Albert's home, including including passing vehicles, including passing vehicles like
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe a passing vehicle that had a
Speaker 1: right rear tail light that was still intact. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: right maybe. So this is the thought experiment that we're doing.
Speaker 1: So so far we've had two major things that would happen.
Speaker 1: One thing is no, would not have been the answer
Speaker 1: if they would have found a dead Boston Police officer
Speaker 1: on the lawn. The answer would have been, who are you, sir?
Speaker 1: Was he in your house? Because I have witnesses twenty
Speaker 1: five feet behind me that have just told me that
Speaker 1: he was dropped off here and he came in this house.
Speaker 1: Next thing, now, the police officers go and they pull
Speaker 1: that video from the waterfall, that which is in the wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful micro Dots video. I want to say right now,
Speaker 1: it says here can't post comments to some destinations. And
Speaker 1: first of all, what that means, let me just say
Speaker 1: it here, I'm just kidding, okay, And what that means
Speaker 1: is if you are not watching us on YouTube, I
Speaker 1: would ask you if you would go to our YouTube
Speaker 1: and watch. And the reason is is it's good for
Speaker 1: our metrics. And if you would take the time to
Speaker 1: just like and subscribe, that would be most awesome and
Speaker 1: I would greatly appreciate it. And I will toast you
Speaker 1: right now even though it's water because I'm not feeling
Speaker 1: that good, but I still want to spend some time
Speaker 1: with you tonight. So and we've got, you know, we
Speaker 1: got about twenty minutes left. So the next thing that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen with this not being a Boston police sergeant
Speaker 1: that owns thirty four Fairview. It's just a random citizen
Speaker 1: from Canton. They're gonna go pull that video from the
Speaker 1: waterfall and they're going to analyze that video down to
Speaker 1: the nth degree, and then they are going to call
Speaker 1: these witnesses back to the Massachusetts State Trooper barracks and
Speaker 1: they're going to present that video to a mister Goggins
Speaker 1: and mister lin Smith, or we can use initials BA
Speaker 1: and BH. Those videos would have been presented to them
Speaker 1: and they would have said something like, BH, looks like
Speaker 1: your looks like you're pointing at that uh, at mister
Speaker 1: O'Keefe over there, Officer O'Keefe, and it looks like you
Speaker 1: are mouthing something to him, and it looks like the
Speaker 1: Canton Town Selectman is trying to keep you from going
Speaker 1: over there. Do you want to tell us about that?
Speaker 1: And they would have pushed and pushed and pushed because
Speaker 1: to us, BH, it looks like you're calling him out
Speaker 1: to fight. Is that what you're Is that what you're doing? Now,
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm doing. I'm not pointing him. Nope,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Where you were you friends with? Uh? Were
Speaker 1: you friends with Officer O'Keefe and be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I know. Well that's interesting because we see you pointing
Speaker 1: at him, and then a dozen minutes later, you are
Speaker 1: at the Alberts home and you're texting Officer O'Keefe are
Speaker 1: you coming? Question mark? Question mark question mark? Why were
Speaker 1: you doing that? Bh? Were you wanting to fight off
Speaker 1: Sir o'keef. No, that's interesting because we have texts between
Speaker 1: you and miss Reid that looks like you were trying
Speaker 1: to get something going with miss Reid? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Do you have any relations with miss Reid? No? That's
Speaker 1: interesting because she told us that you shared a kiss
Speaker 1: and then she was trying to kind of to break
Speaker 1: it off. So what happened? Were you? Were you pissed
Speaker 1: off at John O'Keeffe? You angry? Now, I wasn't angry. Oh,
Speaker 1: you were angry? Then why were you there pointing at
Speaker 1: him like hey, mf R. Looked like you want to
Speaker 1: fight him? And then you're asking if he's going to
Speaker 1: come to Brian Albert's house and he's not friends with
Speaker 1: you nor Brian Albert, So why did you do that?
Speaker 1: So the hole just kids keeps getting deeper and deeper
Speaker 1: and for you Ba. You say he didn't come to
Speaker 1: the house, right, Nope, never came to the house. Well,
Speaker 1: we have video that shows him exiting her car and
Speaker 1: coming in the house that we got from none other
Speaker 1: than our police lieutenant lives right across the road from you,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Deputy Chief kell Her. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a video that shows he did come in your house.
Speaker 1: So you better start explaining, because things are things are
Speaker 1: going to develop here real quickly in a way that
Speaker 1: you don't you don't really want them to. So now
Speaker 1: you see, just from this point in the case, how
Speaker 1: different things look, how different things look. So we had
Speaker 1: the investigating officers from Canton that never found tellite pieces
Speaker 1: on the scene in those those pieces were found later
Speaker 1: and on multiple iterations, but they were not found the
Speaker 1: day of the accident, which clearly they would have been.
Speaker 1: And you could have taken a rake, you could have
Speaker 1: just brought in a space heater, put a tent up
Speaker 1: and melted the scene. As those gentlemen from dooty Ron
Speaker 1: and Ed Wallace and Ed Wallace said, yeah, he goes.
Speaker 1: How do you think how do you think they processed
Speaker 1: crime scenes in Norway and in Greenland and Finland in
Speaker 1: Canada and all these northern tier states, Vermont, you know,
Speaker 1: New Hampshire, upstate New York where they get lots and
Speaker 1: lots of snow. You think they got it's snow, and
Speaker 1: you know, let's get out of backpack blower. If anything,
Speaker 1: you'd be blowing away evidence. Potentially, you wouldn't do that,
Speaker 1: and surely the police officers wouldn't have done that. You
Speaker 1: would go and you would have gotten a tent, and
Speaker 1: you could have brought in a space heater, and you
Speaker 1: could have melted the entire third of that lawn with
Speaker 1: multiple tents, multiple space heaters and crime scene tape, and
Speaker 1: everything would have been revealed on the green Terra Firma
Speaker 1: that lay below. That's what would have happened if theer,
Speaker 1: if it was a lay person who owned the home
Speaker 1: and not an infamous Boston police officer, police sergeant. And
Speaker 1: we all know this to be true. This is common sense,
Speaker 1: This is just simple critical thinking skills. This is not
Speaker 1: DJ the detective or DJ who actually, even though I
Speaker 1: was a law enforcement major, was I never became a
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. I cannot consider myself even not even
Speaker 1: in the same universe, as a real detective and real
Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. This is just common sense, critical thinking
Speaker 1: that all of you have, even if you have a
Speaker 1: bias that makes you want to think that she did
Speaker 1: it because you don't like her. So all we have
Speaker 1: is fake statements that say I did it, I did it,
Speaker 1: I did it. Where As Karen Reid said in that
Speaker 1: interview with ABC, she was asking that in question for
Speaker 1: him because obviously she's freaking out and she must have
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out what the hell happened here?
Speaker 1: Did something happen? Because what would have happened if she
Speaker 1: was waiting outside, which even lion Jen says that she
Speaker 1: was waiting out there, she would have been looking at
Speaker 1: her phone. She would have been looking at her phone,
Speaker 1: which is what people do when they're not going anywhere
Speaker 1: and waiting for o'keef to come out. She would have
Speaker 1: been looking at her phone and then decided, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: had enough of this and that's it. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: And that obviously, then she could have thought, what if
Speaker 1: he was in front of my car and I didn't
Speaker 1: see you know something, You know, everything goes through your
Speaker 1: mind when you're freaking out like that. She was the
Speaker 1: only one who was not of sound mind because she
Speaker 1: really loved this guy. Despite how many fights they had
Speaker 1: and how many things went wrong, she loved this guy.
Speaker 1: And now she was looking at the specter of he
Speaker 1: was no longer there, and nobody else there cared about John.
Speaker 1: Only people that would lie under oath and say that
Speaker 1: he was a dear friend. You know, we all know
Speaker 1: that that's not true because we're critical thinkers, right. We
Speaker 1: can look at somebody and we can know when they're
Speaker 1: fabricating and they're lying. It's pretty obvious. We all have
Speaker 1: the ability to do that. You all have the ability
Speaker 1: to do that, so you know, and it was obvious
Speaker 1: from the way the nine the nine to one one call.
Speaker 1: Had Karen been making that call, it would have been
Speaker 1: frantic and crazy. And it's not because she's not of
Speaker 1: sound mind. It would have been because she loved this
Speaker 1: guy messed up as their relationship was just like my
Speaker 1: relationship with my wife. Sometimes we yelled each other and
Speaker 1: call each other names and it's embarrassing, and then you're
Speaker 1: embarrassed and you apologize. We've been together twenty one years
Speaker 1: so and we're going to be together for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life. However, long. That is so anyway, so
Speaker 1: critical thinking, you can figure all this out. What would
Speaker 1: have happened if it were nondescript Canton resident and with
Speaker 1: whom the police were unfamiliar. The problem was is that
Speaker 1: they were familiar with who owned the home. And therein
Speaker 1: lies the problem, right, folks, therein lies the problem is
Speaker 1: because they knew who owned the home, and so things
Speaker 1: had to go a certain way so as to draw
Speaker 1: suspicion away from the homeowner. Had it been John Q
Speaker 1: Public that own that home, that's what would happened. Knock knock, knock,
Speaker 1: knocking on the door. Can police here, open up? That's
Speaker 1: what's happening. That's what would happened. Open up? Can police
Speaker 1: here won't talk to you about what happened? What happened
Speaker 1: out here? Why is there a dead Boston police officer
Speaker 1: on your lawn? Do you know him? Had you been
Speaker 1: out with him? What do you know about what we're
Speaker 1: seeing here? Because witnesses behind me tell me that he
Speaker 1: came in here. Then we're going to canvas the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pull all the ring camera video that we can.
Speaker 1: And according to Aiden Carney, there were a considerable amount
Speaker 1: of neighbors. I think he went and counted how many
Speaker 1: people had ring camera videos. I think he even approached
Speaker 1: one of the houses. So so that's what we have there, folks.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, just again, I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: my plan was not to go through the entire case tonight.
Speaker 1: My plan was to start at the beginning and go
Speaker 1: through steps that any logical person who's not impassioned by
Speaker 1: I love the police and on this show that this
Speaker 1: lady did it, because that's what they said, and that's
Speaker 1: that's just not how we do things right. That's not
Speaker 1: how critical thinkers think, and actual people who are trying
Speaker 1: to discover the truth about something behave you look at
Speaker 1: all the facts and say what makes sense. And as
Speaker 1: Judge Judy, our favorite television judge, always says, if it
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, it's because it's not true. And she's
Speaker 1: a brilliant woman. She's got over fifty years in the
Speaker 1: courts watching people lie to her, and it's amazing. It
Speaker 1: is amazing how many people lie under oath. It's just
Speaker 1: it's uncanny when you see how many people are willing
Speaker 1: to lie. I growing up fifty seven years on this planet,
Speaker 1: I never had a sense of how easily people lie
Speaker 1: and will fabricate something and injure another person's life. Well,
Speaker 1: let me say this, injure a person's livelihood or life.
Speaker 1: People will lie and not even bad an eye about it.
Speaker 1: It takes a certain kind of person to do that,
Speaker 1: because there are people who can't live with themselves if
Speaker 1: they did something like that. And everybody who critically looks
Speaker 1: at this case knows what I just said. They know
Speaker 1: what happened. They know objectively what happened, they know subjectively
Speaker 1: what they think. And they also know quite clearly what
Speaker 1: would have happened if the owner of that home was
Speaker 1: John Q. Public, who was unfamiliar to the Canton police officers,
Speaker 1: unfamiliar to the Massachusetts State Police trooper Michael Proctor, and
Speaker 1: merely just someone who is a neighbor of Tom Kelleher.
Speaker 1: We all know what would have happened in that case.
Speaker 1: We know what would have happened. We know that they
Speaker 1: would have knocked on that door, or we know that
Speaker 1: they would have asked to see inside. We know that
Speaker 1: a guilty person would have said no and then uh,
Speaker 1: and then you know, even things like you know, micro
Speaker 1: dots put some of the weights from the garage, uh
Speaker 1: in the sink, And this is what he surmises. This
Speaker 1: is completely subjective. He surmises that you can see what
Speaker 1: looks like bleach on the counter and that they would
Speaker 1: have bleached those weights. Well, if you're putting together a
Speaker 1: case and you're you're looking for probable cause and you're
Speaker 1: looking to create reasonable doubt and things like that, you know,
Speaker 1: a police officer and police detective would say, hey, ba,
Speaker 1: usually bleach your weights. Usually take equipment from your gym
Speaker 1: and bring it to this And I'm not saying this happened.
Speaker 1: We're we're surmising here, right, I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: actually happened, because we don't know that that happened. This
Speaker 1: is just something he's guessing. But just for that sake,
Speaker 1: this is how they would treat it. Do you usually
Speaker 1: bleach your dumbbells and your plates from your gym? Is
Speaker 1: that normal in your house? Oh? No, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes we you know, we like to keep our weights
Speaker 1: really clean. You don't want to spread illness between the family. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It also is something that people tend to use when
Speaker 1: they're trying to clean up blood. Usually what they'll try
Speaker 1: to do is bleach things, you know, if it's clothing,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll try to bleach it out, or they'll
Speaker 1: burn it. They'll go and take it and throw it
Speaker 1: in a dumpster fifteen miles away, something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: all these things would have come into play, you know,
Speaker 1: owner of the home. Oh you're you know, if they were,
Speaker 1: I mean, they would have already charged this individual before
Speaker 1: because they would have already found all the evidence. So
Speaker 1: there would not have been away or reason for them
Speaker 1: to try to tear up the basement floor there and
Speaker 1: have all the floors redone. There's no reason because they
Speaker 1: would have already gone in there with the CSI team.
Speaker 1: They would have turned the lights out, they would have
Speaker 1: sprayed the lumin all, they would have turned on the
Speaker 1: black light, and they would have seen blood spatters wherever
Speaker 1: mister O'Keefe fell, Officer O'Keefe. So that is not in
Speaker 1: question that all would have been discovered before they had
Speaker 1: a chance to get rid of Chloe, before there was
Speaker 1: a chance to get rid of cell phones, because they
Speaker 1: would have gotten the phones before there was an opportunity
Speaker 1: to put the home up and sell it sixty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars below market value. All of those things would have
Speaker 1: occurred in well, I mean, they would have been in
Speaker 1: that house within twenty four hours. They would have gotten
Speaker 1: a warrant. There's a dead Boston Police officer on your lawn.
Speaker 1: The owner of the home says he was not inside.
Speaker 1: We have a witness. The witnesses, uh, we have a witness.
Speaker 1: The girlfriend of the deceased officer says she dropped him
Speaker 1: off and watch him walk in the damn house. Case closed.
Speaker 1: Now you find the blood, then we can back it up.
Speaker 1: Then we can start pulling. Then we pull the waterfall video.
Speaker 1: Then we get all the ring cameras, including from the
Speaker 1: deputy chief. All those get pulled. We've we've got her
Speaker 1: driving up, We've got him walking the house, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't come out. Then mysteriously, you know, the snow starts.
Speaker 1: We have that, and then we have a ford edge
Speaker 1: being pulled up. We don't see anything else. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe the ford edge was used to shield activities from
Speaker 1: people's ring cameras, not that that would happen right and
Speaker 1: then and then as soon as that ford edge leads
Speaker 1: there's a body there, and that that also potentially could
Speaker 1: be on a ring camera footage. But the individual driving
Speaker 1: that car. We don't know who that is, Turtle Boy
Speaker 1: tell you that all the time. Don't know who was
Speaker 1: in that ford Edge, But they could have seen who
Speaker 1: was in that ford Edge potentially, or at least got
Speaker 1: a really good look at who it was, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe a description that they could then cross reference
Speaker 1: against video like at the waterfall clothing perhaps you know,
Speaker 1: it depends, but you could certainly get a sense of things.
Speaker 1: You could certainly see that there was nobody there and
Speaker 1: then there was a body there. Had that happen? So
Speaker 1: just doing thought experiment using critical thinking skills in logic.
Speaker 1: I know there's a content creator out there that says
Speaker 1: that all the time, but these are the kinds of
Speaker 1: things that they don't do. This is what would have
Speaker 1: happened if the only of thirty four Fairy View was
Speaker 1: John Q. Public, not a famous police officer, not the
Speaker 1: brother of a selectman, not the brother of a Canton
Speaker 1: Police Department detective. That's what would happen, and then the
Speaker 1: case assault. So unless the Feds have something that shows that,
Speaker 1: then I think the most that we can hope for
Speaker 1: I don't know that we can hope that justice for
Speaker 1: John O'Keeffe will be served and put that up there.
Speaker 1: We don't know that we're going to get justice for
Speaker 1: John O'Keeffe. I pray that we will, because I don't
Speaker 1: know that the Feds have that evidence that could implicate
Speaker 1: whomever is responsible for that fight that would more overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: likely have happened in the basement of the home, but
Speaker 1: certainly somewhere within the confines of the home, and then
Speaker 1: the body would have been placed outside. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll get justice for John O'Keeffe, but
Speaker 1: we can hope to free Karen Reid. That as a
Speaker 1: minimum we can hope for, and I do so with that,
Speaker 1: we'll cut it off here for tonight. Everybody. I want
Speaker 1: to thank you so much for joining me and having
Speaker 1: a watch. If you have comments, please hit me up
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Speaker 1: All Beings. We do a couple different genres of shows,
Speaker 1: but one of them is obviously true crime unsolved, and boy,
Speaker 1: that's what we have right here with Karen Reid, true
Speaker 1: crime that is not solved, case that was not made.
Speaker 1: Next week you will see Sean McDonough, the supervis agent
Speaker 1: at Leopardo eight on twitter x John will be here,
Speaker 1: thank god he confirmed today. That will be great for
Speaker 1: us because we don't have a legal analyst, so Sean
Speaker 1: is going to play law enforcement and legal analysts. And
Speaker 1: what we do on these calling all Beings round tables
Speaker 1: is everybody will be required to bring a topic, a question,
Speaker 1: or a hypothesis to the group. So you'll bring that
Speaker 1: and then everyone in a circular format will have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to answer or speak to that topic, question, or hypothesis.
Speaker 1: We will then have some free discussion and we will
Speaker 1: catch your comments in the chat. So joining Sean will
Speaker 1: be the first member whom we built this around. So
Speaker 1: I usually do this because I don't want to necessarily
Speaker 1: feature one person over another. It's a blessing that anyone
Speaker 1: of these people want to come on with me or us.
Speaker 1: In this case, Courtney won't be here this week. She's
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Speaker 1: person who we built this roundtable around was the great
Speaker 1: Mark Masa Media. We need the FEDS to come through.
Speaker 1: Great show, great show. Thank you. By the way, UFC
Speaker 1: Big big fight tonight. Oh okay, I'll check who's on
Speaker 1: UFC tonight. I hadn't seen who it is. Put it
Speaker 1: in the chat if you would, Tom, who's fighting tonight?
Speaker 1: I used to cover UFC. It's I started podcasting and
Speaker 1: kind of like getting Sean right out of the box.
Speaker 1: The first interviews I ever did in MMA was Claig
Speaker 1: Gweeda and Donald Cowboy Seroni at a local event where
Speaker 1: the first two interviews I ever did in MMA. So
Speaker 1: I don't start small, I start big and I will
Speaker 1: go after the big fish and say, hey, would you
Speaker 1: like to talk to me? And I can't even tell
Speaker 1: you how many UFC fighters coaches that I interviewed over
Speaker 1: the years. It was really just the way they were
Speaker 1: treating the fighters made me decide not to support the
Speaker 1: UFC anymore. But I love the fighters and the competitors
Speaker 1: and they're amazing people, both the men and the women.
Speaker 1: And I mean I had UFC fighters stay at my house.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't even go into all of my
Speaker 1: connections with the UFC over the years. So Mark Masamedia,
Speaker 1: who you know is at masa media? Oh Isy versus Duplessis.
Speaker 1: Oh great, So this is gonna be a middleweight middleweight
Speaker 1: bout Israel Adisania from I think he's from Australia and
Speaker 1: New Zealand and Duplessis is he's a European. Actually I
Speaker 1: think he's from Australia also or New Zealand. So key,
Speaker 1: we are azzy, so forgive me, but thank you. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's going to be Sean. But who we
Speaker 1: built this surround was mas of Media, and then Nurse
Speaker 1: Kim decided that she would join us. And then I
Speaker 1: met a woman from Australia. Thank you very much, Demart.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Brother or sister. I'm gonna say brother though,
Speaker 1: because you've got a name, de Mart, you probably are
Speaker 1: brother male and not female. So a lady from Australia.
Speaker 1: She is true crime kangaroo named Lily. And she contacted
Speaker 1: me and said we should get together and talk South African.
Speaker 1: Oh thank you, dupleus. He's a South African, thank you, brother.
Speaker 1: And you know she had on Sean. I believe I
Speaker 1: know somebody had on Sean. I believe it. It might have
Speaker 1: been Miss Shorty, but anyway, both of them are coming on.
Speaker 1: Both the Aussie ladies will be on, so we'll have
Speaker 1: three guys and we'll have three ladies. Oh you're female,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, thank you, de Mart. That's awesome. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: I love that. I had one of my mission commanders
Speaker 1: when I was in the Air Force, when I was
Speaker 1: in Air Force Special Ops, was Kmart. So I love
Speaker 1: those kind of names. My name DJ is an Air
Speaker 1: Force nickname. My real names back in home in New York,
Speaker 1: they call me Dave. Uh. And even when I go
Speaker 1: home to Massachusetts go to Dean, my nickname there was Kazoo,
Speaker 1: which is a whole another story. And they also will
Speaker 1: alternatively will call me Dave. So yeah, it's not on
Speaker 1: her to be a Dave. But DJ is a Air
Speaker 1: Force construct uh. And now I keep it because I'm
Speaker 1: known in the industry. In aerospace industry, I'm known as DJ,
Speaker 1: so I just kept that as my professional name, I guess. Anyway,
Speaker 1: love you guys, Thank you so very much. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate you, and I look forward to seeing you next.
Speaker 1: Next Saturday Night with Sean with Masa with Nurse Kim,
Speaker 1: with Lily from True Crime, Kangaroo and with Miss Shorty.
Speaker 1: So there'll be six of us total, and we should
Speaker 1: have a great round table. Everybody's gonna be required to
Speaker 1: bring a topic. It won't be just a free for all.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to ask a question to the group.
Speaker 1: It's how we do it. It's how the Cab round
Speaker 1: tables have been done for three years, and that way
Speaker 1: everybody gets equal time. Everyone will have to comment on
Speaker 1: everyone else's topic and everyone else will have it and
Speaker 1: everyone will have a question that they'll get to hear
Speaker 1: everyone's opinion on. So I also will have to come
Speaker 1: on the topic. So anyway, thank you so much, love
Speaker 1: you guys. I appreciate the support and we look forward
Speaker 1: to seeing you next Saturday night. One love, peace out.
Speaker 1: As we always say on Cab, let me get my
Speaker 1: fingers in here, Oh boys, peace out, one love. We'll
Speaker 1: see you down the road, and we always wonder what's
Speaker 1: up around the Bend.