Speaker 1: I'm excited for you to be here. We have you know,
Speaker 1: we don't always get to catch up. You know. We
Speaker 1: were just at Aviann in Vegas and it was like
Speaker 1: very hectic. You were doing your thing over there with
Speaker 1: Twitch and we want to get and talk to all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. So for private talk out there. He
Speaker 1: is a French pornographer, director condoisseur of all those things.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you kind of do it all. You've been
Speaker 1: in the business for quite some time now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my twenty third year this. Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: an old man.
Speaker 1: You're an old man. So tell us how it all started.
Speaker 1: Tell us your background, Let us know a little bit
Speaker 1: about you.
Speaker 2: So I'm from friends. I went to school to become
Speaker 2: a pe teacher and years ago was a friend of
Speaker 2: mine that was before like the whole like photoshop made
Speaker 2: easy for anyone. We made a birthday car from my
Speaker 2: best friend's brother where we had a pond magazine and
Speaker 2: we would like cut girls getting fucked and replace the
Speaker 2: girl's face by pictures of him. Oh nice, and in
Speaker 2: that magazine that was that was a casting call for
Speaker 2: for a porn like he like, try to be a
Speaker 2: pwn mall performer. You know, and my friends they always
Speaker 2: used to make fun of me. They used to call
Speaker 2: me Rocco as rocal see Freddy because I was having
Speaker 2: sex with so many women. They were like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: like a porn star. You should do it. And my
Speaker 2: best friend dare me. He was like, I dare you
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we all know it wasn't happened. What happens
Speaker 1: when you dare a man? Right?
Speaker 2: Like right, I'm like, what do you mean you dare me?
Speaker 2: I'll do it? And then But I never thought that.
Speaker 2: I never thought they would contact me back.
Speaker 1: I thought like, yeah, whatever, what was the process that
Speaker 1: you're sending picture?
Speaker 2: Send a picture but not of your dick or anything naked,
Speaker 2: like just a picture of you like a headshot, and
Speaker 2: talk about you and say like talk about So what
Speaker 2: was your interview?
Speaker 1: Like, Hi, I'm man, well and I want to fuck
Speaker 1: lots of bitches. I already do it, so why not
Speaker 1: get paid for it? What was your like if you're
Speaker 1: a housewife, what would.
Speaker 2: You there is? Well, basically I just said like, hey,
Speaker 2: I love women, and yeah, basically I want to fuck
Speaker 2: a lot of women, Like that's my motivation, Like my
Speaker 2: money was never my motivation in this industry. I just
Speaker 2: want I was a big porn fan too, so like
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, maybe I can't have sex with
Speaker 2: like like super hot girls or girls that I was
Speaker 2: fan of. I didn't think it would happen. Actually, I
Speaker 2: thought like, yeah, he's daring me. I'm gonna answer it.
Speaker 2: They're never gonna call me back. The end, they called
Speaker 2: me back and I went to do the casting. And
Speaker 2: when I went to do the casting, there was like
Speaker 2: about forty other dudes and we all had to do
Speaker 2: like an interview where you go in that room and
Speaker 2: there was two super hot girls. They were like asking
Speaker 2: us questions and like what's your fantasy? What would you
Speaker 2: do to us? This type of shit? Right, And out
Speaker 2: of all the guys, they had to pick five guys
Speaker 2: and I was one of the guys they picked. And
Speaker 2: what I did, no, Actually I was terrified.
Speaker 1: You're like fuck, no, I do right?
Speaker 2: And Also I thought they were doing the casting and
Speaker 2: then call us back to come back maybe a week
Speaker 2: later to shoot the scene. But it was like no,
Speaker 2: they pick you. Now we're gonna go on set and
Speaker 2: shoot the scene. So I was like fuck. And one
Speaker 2: of the things that was funny is they asked you
Speaker 2: a question, but they never asked us to get naked, right.
Speaker 2: And we were in the office of a magazine and
Speaker 2: there was a huge corridor and they lined us up,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the two girls they
Speaker 2: were like, all right, now we're done talking, pull out
Speaker 2: your dicks. And there's fully guys, actually thirty nine guys
Speaker 2: pulling their dike out. Some of the guys already like
Speaker 2: jerking off, and I was like, fuck, I'm not pulling
Speaker 2: my dick out in front of everyone. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck?
Speaker 3: And I remember next to me there was a dude
Speaker 3: and he had a frow and he had no teeth
Speaker 3: in front, and he was wearing just like a vest
Speaker 3: from a suit but without a shirt underneath, and like right, and.
Speaker 2: And I look at him and he gives me the
Speaker 2: biggest mile without his teeth, and he's like jerking off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck am I doing it? Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like I can't do this. Ship. But then the
Speaker 2: girls start walking and the closer they get to me,
Speaker 2: I feel like, ship, I have to right, And then
Speaker 2: I pulled my dick out, but like I was at
Speaker 2: the same time, those two girls were so hot. That
Speaker 2: was fucking hard as fuck. And those two girls they're
Speaker 2: stopped in front of me. They're like like, yo, what
Speaker 2: is this and they're like you can step forward, and
Speaker 2: then I stepped forward.
Speaker 1: We're talking to his cock.
Speaker 2: Priv yeah, yeah, and uh. I was one of the
Speaker 2: first they picked out of five guys, and then we
Speaker 2: went to do the shoots and when we were on set,
Speaker 2: out of the five guys, I was the only one
Speaker 2: to actually get home. The funny thing is before me,
Speaker 2: three guys where like like we would go one by
Speaker 2: one and the three first guy felt and then I'm
Speaker 2: next and hard as a rock. And you can see
Speaker 2: the director is all happy, like it's like finally we
Speaker 2: at least have one that's gonna get home. And the
Speaker 2: girl literally sucked my dick for ten seconds and I
Speaker 2: came nice.
Speaker 1: So this was not the best start, right, That's really
Speaker 1: not a great scene.
Speaker 2: And you see the director like, nah, like what and
Speaker 2: it looks at me, it's like, well, do you think
Speaker 2: you can do it again? I'm like, well, I don't
Speaker 2: know I can. I'm gonna go wash a little bit
Speaker 2: and then come back. I went to wash my dick,
Speaker 2: came back and it was still home. I was still
Speaker 2: like so like so into it, and then I ended
Speaker 2: up doing the scene and the fifth guy after me
Speaker 2: couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: So so how long did you last a second time?
Speaker 2: A lot, more like twenty twenty five minutes, you know,
Speaker 2: like enough for them, and after that they a few
Speaker 2: months later. You have to know, I was in college
Speaker 2: to become a pe teacher, so I had three years
Speaker 2: left to finalize, and so I didn't think I made
Speaker 2: a career of Bonna, just tried and have fun. And
Speaker 2: then a couple of months later they called me because
Speaker 2: they were doing another episode like that, but because everyone
Speaker 2: failed but me on the first one, they thought, we're
Speaker 2: going to bring him back and use him as a
Speaker 2: stunt cock if the other guys can do it, which happened.
Speaker 2: So I was on the second one, but you wouldn't
Speaker 2: see my face because they didn't want to make it
Speaker 2: obvious that they reused me. And on that set, the
Speaker 2: two girl out of the two girls, I show up
Speaker 2: on that set and one of the two girls was
Speaker 2: a girl I was in college, not college in French,
Speaker 2: college is junior high school. I had no idea she
Speaker 2: became a porn star and then but It was super
Speaker 2: awkward because I knew all her brothers, all her family.
Speaker 1: Both of y'all are like, who's going to tell whose family?
Speaker 1: This is going to get awkward for everybody at Thankgiving.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is I didn't know, but she became
Speaker 2: like an actual porn star. She was known, her family knew,
Speaker 2: but my family didn't know about this. But then she
Speaker 2: told me, but you want to do more, and she
Speaker 2: started introducing me to other directors that she knew and
Speaker 2: the because in my mind, I was doing this for fun.
Speaker 2: It wasn't about money, and I was for the first
Speaker 2: three years of my career, I was doing condom only
Speaker 2: and so she would introduce me to some people. And
Speaker 2: I was going to college at the same time that
Speaker 2: I was doing this for three years.
Speaker 1: So how long did you know that it was actually
Speaker 1: going to be a career, that you were actually becoming
Speaker 1: successful and it was no longer fun that yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just maybe because the money, but you were making
Speaker 1: good money, and like, how did you kind of switch
Speaker 1: that mindset to like take it to the next level
Speaker 1: and become a career.
Speaker 2: Well, back then I wasn't even making good money, like
Speaker 2: like they would pay me per scene. It was the
Speaker 2: equivalent of like eighty bucks a scene.
Speaker 1: But that's better than like having But I was.
Speaker 2: A student living in my parents you know place, Like
Speaker 2: to me, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: Like you know, because you would You're just fucking and
Speaker 1: it's like a good time. Like you said, it wasn't
Speaker 1: about the money. It's but the enjoyment that like satisfaction
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You'd be jerking off in your dormom anyways.
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. And what's uh, what's funny is
Speaker 2: right when I finished school to make a decision and
Speaker 2: I met I actually met Rocucy Freddy, his cousin who
Speaker 2: lived in France and was shooting movies in France, and
Speaker 2: is like he hired me to do a scene for
Speaker 2: him and it was a scene with three girls. And
Speaker 2: when I was done, he was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Like you're wasting your life. You can't be a pe teacher,
Speaker 2: like you have to duponn and if you want a
Speaker 2: month from now, I'm taking you with me to Pribe
Speaker 2: to work with my cousin. And in Europe, Brocucy Freddie
Speaker 2: was the number one start even in America. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can talk about Ron Jeremy or other people, but
Speaker 2: we're talking about real performers.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a favorite of mine. He's very young, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I made him tap out one. That's another story.
Speaker 1: So how is it to like perform in front of
Speaker 1: someone that was like so iconic to you that you
Speaker 1: were like, were you nervous? You still were like fuck
Speaker 1: it hard as a rock and you just did what
Speaker 1: it was against.
Speaker 2: Super nervous and even more nervous because he was shooting
Speaker 2: without condoms, so of course tested and everything. And it
Speaker 2: was my first time ever having sex without condom because
Speaker 2: when I was younger, I always use condents.
Speaker 1: So how did you get convinced to not like was it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I knew you do not want to work. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: how did you make that decision to just say fuck it?
Speaker 1: Because again, it is a big risk. We are still
Speaker 1: tested and it's something that we choose to do, but
Speaker 1: it is still you know, it's kind of like Russian roulette.
Speaker 1: We never really know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after after three years doing amateur porn, I've had
Speaker 2: too many people telling me like listen, like you're meant
Speaker 2: to do this. And we're talking also about a time
Speaker 2: where there was no Viagrad. There was nothing. Either you
Speaker 2: were good or you couldn't do this job. And like
Speaker 2: also I would see other performers sometimes come on the
Speaker 2: amateur side, but they were like well known European stars,
Speaker 2: male porn stars, and I would kill those guys. I
Speaker 2: was like, I mean, I'm blowing my own horn, but
Speaker 2: I was so much better than those guys that were
Speaker 2: well known.
Speaker 1: Mal I mean, you wouldn't be who you are today
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't. I mean, see the difference. It's like
Speaker 1: something it's like saying that like a level of like skill,
Speaker 1: skill level. You just see it, and you don't like something.
Speaker 1: You don't there's things saying that's any less or anything,
Speaker 1: but you're just better.
Speaker 2: You can't be a good male bond star if you
Speaker 2: don't have an ego. You have to know that you
Speaker 2: you can do it. If your second guess yourself, you're
Speaker 2: gonna fail.
Speaker 1: So you never second guess yourself. You've always from the
Speaker 1: beginning just went in because like you said, it's a
Speaker 1: motto of like not money. Do you think that that's
Speaker 1: a big reason why you who you are is because
Speaker 1: it was never money driven, And why I like that
Speaker 1: it was never money driven.
Speaker 2: I'm a real woman lover. I was just so focused
Speaker 2: on having sex with beautiful women and having fun. I
Speaker 2: never thought, well, like, you know, I do this so
Speaker 2: I can make this much money, I can get a
Speaker 2: bit of life, I can travel or anything like that.
Speaker 2: To this day, do I make great money, Yeah, make
Speaker 2: awesome money, But it's it was never my motivation.
Speaker 1: So it's more like it was a calling because like myself,
Speaker 1: I you know, it's something that I never knew. Mine
Speaker 1: was more obviously we have a different stories getting in,
Speaker 1: but it's something that kind of fell in my lap
Speaker 1: and I was just like, I'm really good at this,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, how do you deter from
Speaker 1: something that you know is really good? And then it's
Speaker 1: like you become a brand and a business and it
Speaker 1: becomes all these other things and then we're here sitting
Speaker 1: out a private talk connection.
Speaker 2: It's also because we did it the healthy way. We
Speaker 2: did it because we wanted to do it, because we
Speaker 2: like doing it. We don't have to like like be
Speaker 2: how you said that in English? So it sometimes I
Speaker 2: los my English, but there is no we have no
Speaker 2: problem with this industry. You know, I will never talk
Speaker 2: about bad, badly about this industry because it brought so
Speaker 2: much to my life in a in a healthy way.
Speaker 2: My mind has always been like happy to.
Speaker 1: Be here, agreed, And that's why I was here. You know,
Speaker 1: even though, like I said, I haven't shot in number three.
Speaker 1: I say three, I've said that so many times, like
Speaker 1: probably four years now. But you know, the business is
Speaker 1: a big part of who I am and what my
Speaker 1: brand was, and so I you know, I not in
Speaker 1: it anymore, but that nothing bad to say. My experience
Speaker 1: was really great and for me it only opened up
Speaker 1: who I was as a woman, as in a person,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it doesn't define me, but it
Speaker 1: is definitely a big part of who I am. And
Speaker 1: you know, I have you know, nothing but great things
Speaker 1: to say about my experiences. So for me, it's about
Speaker 1: educating private talk about what you know, our experiences are
Speaker 1: on from set to family life and all these things
Speaker 1: like that. So I appreciate you taking your time coming here.
Speaker 1: So from going on with that, you knew you started
Speaker 1: becoming really successful over there. How did you come to
Speaker 1: America and like break into those doors because that's a
Speaker 1: whole other realm.
Speaker 2: So after working all over Europe, Maly for Roco and
Speaker 2: then other big production. There's an very well known man
Speaker 2: in the industry named Jones Taliano who owns Evil Angel.
Speaker 2: He was always famous for his butt Men series.
Speaker 1: But man, yeah, I know, you know, but I know.
Speaker 1: But man, I.
Speaker 2: Think I've seen you but in the cover several times.
Speaker 1: I have been on the on the cover several times.
Speaker 1: Why no, I don't know. I mean, maybe I have
Speaker 1: a big butt, maybe I don't maybe private talk nose,
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't.
Speaker 2: You know that. For a while, I used to bust
Speaker 2: his balls and tell him like, hey, let me shave
Speaker 2: my butt, put a thong, we take a picture because
Speaker 2: I have a big butt too.
Speaker 1: In there, right.
Speaker 2: Right, let's take a picture of my butt, just my butt,
Speaker 2: can hey god? And like like I told him, let's
Speaker 2: do it for the month of April, so as of
Speaker 2: April fools and then you open then you.
Speaker 1: See me like this, right, I think that would be great,
Speaker 1: not for me to watch, but.
Speaker 2: Exactly well, he always said no, and then one day
Speaker 2: it comes to me it's like, hey, let's do it,
Speaker 2: And I chickened out. I was like, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's my brand. That was just kidding me.
Speaker 1: You got called out and you couldn't do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically I like it.
Speaker 1: So did he give you your first shot?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So he contacted me because he saw me in
Speaker 2: all these movies, European movies. Rock called Christopher Clark all
Speaker 2: that and he was like, Hey, I'm doing a big movie,
Speaker 2: but it's going to be a lot of dialogue in it,
Speaker 2: and I know your English is not great, so if
Speaker 2: you want to do it, I need you to work
Speaker 2: on your English. And I did. Came to America for
Speaker 2: the movie, and I loved it. Man, it was such
Speaker 2: another world compared to the European business, you know. And
Speaker 2: again I used to joke off to so many girls
Speaker 2: in the industry in America. From America, I was like, yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: god's sexist those women. Now, Like I was just excited
Speaker 2: to do it. And almost right away, like people were
Speaker 2: like very curious, why would this guy bring a guy
Speaker 2: that no one knows in America when there was so
Speaker 2: many guys in America to shoot?
Speaker 1: But at that time, was there so many guys in
Speaker 1: America too? Because I feel like the porn industry, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know a lot of people are guys,
Speaker 1: you know, you see them. But I feel like it's
Speaker 1: kind of really small.
Speaker 2: It was and it wasn't. It's like everything like there's
Speaker 2: always been a lot of male performers, but not a
Speaker 2: lot of good performance.
Speaker 1: I can understand that just you know, you and far between,
Speaker 1: you can't really you know, you never know what you're
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Get exactly exactly. And so when when you brought me here,
Speaker 2: like everyone got curious, why this guy? Why is he
Speaker 2: bringing this guy? So right after I finished the movie,
Speaker 2: I stayed an extra month, but right away I was
Speaker 2: booked for the whole month. And I liked it. I
Speaker 2: liked it.
Speaker 1: You like you like to the sex.
Speaker 2: I liked all the sex. I liked la I like,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Like the attention all things.
Speaker 2: The job was, and the job was so easy, like
Speaker 2: like coming from Europe, like you would do scenes for
Speaker 2: Rocco which were like Gonzo scene and you would do
Speaker 2: like three four hour.
Speaker 1: Scenes Gauntlet like type stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly like like you like forever and then when he
Speaker 2: was in the scene, there was an how're scene, but
Speaker 2: when it was you, it was like three four hours.
Speaker 1: So you know how that goes? Now, don't you're a director?
Speaker 2: You know, well, yeah, I like to make I'll make
Speaker 2: it simple for everyone. But but and then I come
Speaker 2: to America and I show up and then an hour
Speaker 2: later I'm showered and ready to go do another city. Right,
Speaker 2: there's a reason why pretty much every European performers come
Speaker 2: to America and never go back.
Speaker 1: That's true, though. It speaks a lot. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when I was in the business,
Speaker 1: like we like when it would come over, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just a different type of sex, like a different
Speaker 1: kind of like energy and like kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of the trainings for
Speaker 1: per se because some of the most of you guys
Speaker 1: come through either through Rocos like when he actually had
Speaker 1: a school, ibbly not at that time when you were
Speaker 1: but like that whole like the training thing is like
Speaker 1: it's it's just like I don't know, it's just more
Speaker 1: of a loving affection way. So I feel like it's
Speaker 1: as a female performer, I feel like it makes the
Speaker 1: women more I guess appealing to like let more that
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened before because it's more of like a
Speaker 1: safe thing where it's like you're like someone's girlfriend or boyfriend,
Speaker 1: but you're not. It's like you know, and then you
Speaker 1: have poorn out girlfriends and boyfriends and it becomes an
Speaker 1: establishment of like how your comfortability level. But she goes
Speaker 1: a little bit further of what that is if you.
Speaker 2: If you're having sex, and it works the same like
Speaker 2: for men and women, Like if I work with a
Speaker 2: girl and she makes me feel special, I'm gonna want
Speaker 2: to give her more. And it's the same thing the
Speaker 2: other way. If I can't make a girl feel special,
Speaker 2: she's gonna give me more. And for men like me,
Speaker 2: what turns me on is to see the pleasure I
Speaker 2: give to a woman to make her come. That's what's
Speaker 2: gonna turn me on and keep my dick hard the most.
Speaker 2: So I'll do anything.
Speaker 1: For that to happen, to get that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so by doing that also you get to
Speaker 2: have girls that really like working with you and ask
Speaker 2: when they can to work with you. So it's also
Speaker 2: like how I became successful in America is because like
Speaker 2: directors and producers like me. Even so if and do
Speaker 2: sometimes I can be a diva and a pain in
Speaker 2: the ass.
Speaker 1: I have things you a diva, no, I don't hate.
Speaker 2: But at the same times, like like girls wanted to
Speaker 2: work or fuck me or whatever. So imed it. You know,
Speaker 2: I think I made it and make it easy for
Speaker 2: one I can understand.
Speaker 1: I can relate to that. I think that it's like you.
Speaker 1: It's like having a good day at work or having
Speaker 1: a bad day at work. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: you're getting on the table. You know that you're gonna
Speaker 1: show up. You're gonna do your job. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: have any wood problems. You're not gonna like sign, gonna
Speaker 1: take forever. You're gonna treat the woman with respect. You're
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that everyone has fun on set, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, call it a day, like you said.
Speaker 1: In an hour later you can be in your car
Speaker 1: and you're going home and having a nice latch. You're
Speaker 1: going home and whatever else you need to do.
Speaker 2: What's funny is we do a job that's so interesting
Speaker 2: in a like like like a social level. It's you
Speaker 2: can't have sex with a man or with a woman
Speaker 2: and give everything and look like you guys are so
Speaker 2: in love and half away later you're like, Okay, cool,
Speaker 2: see you next time. Have fun.
Speaker 1: But that's what's what's great about entertainment is because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, even though we're not you know,
Speaker 1: on big screens like well some big screens we are,
Speaker 1: but we're not like you know, these big Hollywood production movies.
Speaker 1: But we are doing movies and it's new movies that
Speaker 1: people don't watch, but they're watching and it's a production.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not you know, anybody should know. It's
Speaker 1: just like I always say, it's like we're sexual athletes.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we go and it's like we do.
Speaker 1: We go and we do a game and then we
Speaker 1: go home and we have a life that sometimes you
Speaker 1: have a significant other, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you have
Speaker 1: a dog like my son. So from going early on,
Speaker 1: like you said, you've always been a highly sexual person.
Speaker 1: You started young on. Is there any tips that you
Speaker 1: had that like worked for you all the time, like
Speaker 1: that made you not either, you know the first time
Speaker 1: you came super quick. Is there something that you like
Speaker 1: did that made you just your go to Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you could tell the private talk listeners out
Speaker 1: there for any advice out there for any men out there.
Speaker 2: Well, Well, when I was joking about being a diva
Speaker 2: and you know, wanting specific things on set, it's more
Speaker 2: like I've always been myself. I've always hated when people
Speaker 2: would tell me, so today, you're gonna fuck this position first,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna do this for five minutes. And
Speaker 2: this not for me. It doesn't work like that. You know.
Speaker 2: I have to be able to do it like the way.
Speaker 1: Because if not, you feel like a robot exactly.
Speaker 2: And again, like like I come from a little old
Speaker 2: school where we don't use pills or anything. We do
Speaker 2: it naturally by being turned on by the woman. And
Speaker 2: and I always found myself in doing scenes that were
Speaker 2: just okay because I wasn't like turned on the right way.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like forcing it because exactly.
Speaker 2: Exactly, then it becomes professional. And I never wanted to
Speaker 2: feel like it was a profession.
Speaker 1: Like like like it was a job like you wanted.
Speaker 2: To have exactly, and that's the best way for me
Speaker 2: to do it. So like the advice, the advice would
Speaker 2: always be to be yourself and not the worst thing
Speaker 2: you can do. And I've had that in the past
Speaker 2: like many times where like for example, I would hire
Speaker 2: other male performers and you can tell they've watched what
Speaker 2: I do, and then they try to do what I
Speaker 2: do in my sins, even though it's not what they're into.
Speaker 2: And that's the best recipe too.
Speaker 1: It doesn't translate the same fell.
Speaker 2: One, if I wanted you to do what I do,
Speaker 2: why do I book? You just do it myself. Two,
Speaker 2: If you do what I do but you're not into that,
Speaker 2: you're going to fail miserably. You always have to do
Speaker 2: what terms you on to be a good performer.
Speaker 1: I like that you have to say. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's what maybe in the sense like it not jaded
Speaker 1: in what you do is because it's like you have
Speaker 1: the other sigmas, and so I feel like the whole
Speaker 1: stigma of diva gets like really thrown around way too
Speaker 1: quickly because I feel like it's cool. It's just because
Speaker 1: I know what we want and what we like works
Speaker 1: for us. Doesn't mean that I'm a diva. It just
Speaker 1: knows that I have standards exactly.
Speaker 2: And for your mental health, it's important to do only
Speaker 2: what you're into, because you can go home after the
Speaker 2: scene and feel miserable and think like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: why did I do this? You know, to last long
Speaker 2: in this industry and you know it, you have to
Speaker 2: keep your head straight.
Speaker 1: That's true because a lot of people you know they
Speaker 1: come in here really quickly, they think they know it,
Speaker 1: and then just you know, they falls between the crocks
Speaker 1: because they're just like you said, they either do things
Speaker 1: that they're not ready for, or they're not ready to
Speaker 1: handle certain situations.
Speaker 2: Of course, or sometimes it's just about you know, you
Speaker 2: can come in the industry eighteen years old, you're from
Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere you arrive and that works also
Speaker 2: men and women. You arrive in La, the only people
Speaker 2: you meet are people from the industry, so you're only
Speaker 2: surrounded by people that don't leave porn twenty four to seven,
Speaker 2: and it can be really hard. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, eighteen years old making a lot of money,
Speaker 2: like just like not knowing how to handle that, the fame.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, people start to tell you you're
Speaker 2: pretty or you're a good looking man, and you're great
Speaker 2: and you do this, and it's a lot to handle
Speaker 2: when you're very.
Speaker 1: Young, especially with not having the right people around you
Speaker 1: exactly know, and that goes along with like having a
Speaker 1: right head on your shoulder and things like that. So
Speaker 1: you've been so successful and being you know, in France,
Speaker 1: being really successful here in America, being successful with all
Speaker 1: those people. Have you ever been courted or DM by
Speaker 1: a celebrity female that I've wanted to be? You know?
Speaker 1: So many we get the women who like been slid
Speaker 1: in dms, But do you have any of those that
Speaker 1: happened to you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a lot of those.
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, tell us here a private listen.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say any names, but what's fun? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, sing Verry Canaries sing.
Speaker 2: No, I've had a lot, you know what's interesting. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you get a lot of like crazy d
Speaker 2: ms and people sending you wear ship.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Women go way further than men like towards me. So
Speaker 2: I get my share of dick pics to men's buttholes
Speaker 2: and ship that you I'm not into. And every time
Speaker 2: I feel like I looked at the sun for fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes because it's printed in my fucking you know, but you.
Speaker 1: See whitelf, I'm in the crying.
Speaker 2: But women go way for some of the videos.
Speaker 1: I get some of the like what just fucking themselves?
Speaker 2: Or like what like yeah, like fucking like.
Speaker 1: Like but I mean like regular women or like celebrity
Speaker 1: like a little bit of everything. No, you've had a celebrity.
Speaker 1: Come on you, I've had.
Speaker 2: Many celebrities tell me a name. I can't say.
Speaker 1: That's no, that's messed up, right, they soon your DM.
Speaker 1: It's probably it's public knowledge.
Speaker 2: Well I don't want to, you know, maybe because I've
Speaker 2: had sex with some of them. So can we.
Speaker 1: Get a number account? How many of you had sex with?
Speaker 1: Somebody's from not another name? Is the celebrity sex tape number?
Speaker 2: I had at least like ten celebrity. Did they pay
Speaker 2: you different level? No? I don't, I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but like some people do it, like listen again, it's
Speaker 2: not a money thing. It's never a money thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, Oh you actually, did you have a crush on
Speaker 1: any of these celebrities that like your dms?
Speaker 2: And yeah, there was a couple of them. Yeah there
Speaker 2: was no, there was a couple of them. I remember
Speaker 2: like saying that girl in a movie and it was
Speaker 2: like like the people in this movie with her?
Speaker 1: Well, like which movie?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say the movie like good ride though,
Speaker 2: but you know, and and dude, and I remember seeing
Speaker 2: that movie and it was a crappy movie, but I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: she is hot. As fuck, and like a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks later, I get a DM and it's like her, and.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, wait, wait you think it's fake, like
Speaker 1: it can.
Speaker 2: Be her for real? And then the account is verified
Speaker 2: and then then it gets real, like I'm like, is
Speaker 2: it really you? And then she sends me a video Amnuel,
Speaker 2: like I love your movies. I wish a man kissed
Speaker 2: me the way. And then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: she sends me videos of her was giant dildo's in
Speaker 2: her ass? Like you know, I'm like, oh shit.
Speaker 1: No way, yeah's Applaus whoever? That was? I like that though,
Speaker 1: I've always wondered that because like you always heard like
Speaker 1: the female version, but like I mean, you guys, like
Speaker 1: male performers, y'all are fuckers, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you're there, you're stunts, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's I always wondered, But I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: good for you. I mean, so if you had, since
Speaker 1: you can't tell us that, what is your like if
Speaker 1: you could do a celebrity sex tape with anybody, what
Speaker 1: would your ideal celebrity sex tape be.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of h scal.
Speaker 1: Joans, I definitely take her down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who I like.
Speaker 1: To would you have like a would that just be
Speaker 1: to you and her? Because I mean you're I.
Speaker 2: Like one on one he's.
Speaker 1: Changed these times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, Like it doesn't mean I don't like
Speaker 2: the rest, but I like, you know, there's the things
Speaker 2: you can do and like doing, and there are the
Speaker 2: things you love doing. I like my attention to be
Speaker 2: focused on one person.
Speaker 1: I like that too. Like we're talking about another episode
Speaker 1: how the person had said that they had never been
Speaker 1: with two men, and I was like, I've done it twice.
Speaker 1: But it's keep too busy. But you know, I'm a pleaser.
Speaker 1: I like to do one thing and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things going on, and I'm selfish, so like it's
Speaker 1: to be about me, so right.
Speaker 2: And then but then also sometimes like like you don't
Speaker 2: realize that you're giving more attention to one.
Speaker 1: Than you're into what you're doing.
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, sometimes I've had since in the past.
Speaker 2: Way like I'm gonna work with two girls, one I
Speaker 2: never had sex with and one I already had sex
Speaker 2: with a bunch of times, and I'm gonna go a
Speaker 2: little more to of than one.
Speaker 1: I neverlready felt that pussy, so.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, and nothing against the other girl
Speaker 2: I love, still.
Speaker 1: Just want new pussy. You're just like a man. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, a little kid in the County story. You
Speaker 1: want to take one look at that pot before you
Speaker 1: like go to something else. You already know that's convenient.
Speaker 2: That's the right way to.
Speaker 1: So do you have a crazy sex story that you've
Speaker 1: never talked to? Get me on set? It could be
Speaker 1: in your personal life. I don't know how crazy you
Speaker 1: get in your personal life.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get crazy at all.
Speaker 1: Like I don't either. That's why I was I felt,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm the prudest person. I don't have sex anymore.
Speaker 1: It just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well now I'm in a relationship, so it's not
Speaker 2: like when I was single and fucking pretty much everyone
Speaker 2: I wanted. But no, I don't do crazy. I had
Speaker 2: funny stories like where.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the funniest Well.
Speaker 2: When a long time ago I was single, and you know,
Speaker 2: we would all go to conventions Vegas and things like that,
Speaker 2: and some of my friends from friends would come, but
Speaker 2: they have nothing to do with industry. And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it would be like orgies in my room.
Speaker 1: Because you're a man. Well and you call one girl,
Speaker 1: they're all coming literally true.
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'll give you a check later. Like you should
Speaker 2: be my PR. I should.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of catchphrase that have been really great.
Speaker 1: You know you should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should hire years a PR for me for sure.
Speaker 2: But it was always awkward and and those old orgies
Speaker 2: I would always end up not fucking.
Speaker 1: So you started them and you're like all right about well.
Speaker 2: It was just like those were my my friends, some
Speaker 2: of them I grew up with. I felt like it
Speaker 2: was so awkward to fuck next to those people, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like the no swords touching. Not
Speaker 2: only that, Like like for example, I don't bring friends
Speaker 2: on set, okay, especially if I'm performing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awkward because it's like you're naked, you're fucking
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean, it's kind of like why
Speaker 1: we stopped working together. It got you know, we worked together,
Speaker 1: we did really good scenes, but then when we became
Speaker 1: like friends, like it became like I could just make
Speaker 1: fun of you, like with Brig brother, and it's like
Speaker 1: I don't want to see your dick. You don't have a
Speaker 1: dicta anymore. You don't have a dick anymore to me,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say that.
Speaker 2: I get it. Like like like I felt the same way.
Speaker 2: It was awkward, like we didn't even have to say we.
Speaker 1: Stop workingcause it's a mutual respect people exactly.
Speaker 2: People will call me and I'm like I'm sorry, I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: And people really thought, They're like, what happened? What do
Speaker 1: you do? Like he didn't do anything. It was just
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like when you become friends with
Speaker 1: someone and not just someone's friends. You see on set
Speaker 1: and you're like in someone's home and their family life,
Speaker 1: like you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go fuck you later,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I maybe call me fucking wrong.
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no no. And also like like
Speaker 2: I know you were very jealous of my singing.
Speaker 1: Voice, jealous just because it's just just because.
Speaker 2: I'm a great singer, and you went like, man like.
Speaker 1: Private talk if you want to know what this man
Speaker 1: is talking about. I hope you guys are liking and
Speaker 1: subscribing to this channel because I'm about to school him. Right.
Speaker 1: But see, so when we were are part of our friendship.
Speaker 1: I used to host these parties and we would have
Speaker 1: karaoke nights and we would do American Idol and like
Speaker 1: DJ Hero and all these fun games because it's fun
Speaker 1: to be a big kid. And we definitely went to
Speaker 1: Hollywood several times. So his name was Baby Canary because
Speaker 1: he thinks he sings like a baby can.
Speaker 2: I feel like my voice is at the exact Just
Speaker 2: picture this the voice of an angel and of a
Speaker 2: baby canary mixed together. That's my voice.
Speaker 1: And that's what you have here. Guys. You heard it first.
Speaker 1: Actually I've heard it several times, but you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: it on five and Talk. So can you give our
Speaker 1: listeners out there like a singing voice? Can you give it?
Speaker 1: You need something but playing that?
Speaker 2: No, here's the problem. Okay, we just came back from Vegas.
Speaker 1: Oh you have the Vegas voice.
Speaker 2: I have the Vegas voice. And it's not fair. I
Speaker 2: think like, maybe we'll come back and do it.
Speaker 1: So part two, maybe maybe we should do. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll do like a singing challenge. You know, you do
Speaker 1: have a lot of platforms other than just in the industry.
Speaker 1: You do Twitch, tell Private Talk what that's about? Because
Speaker 1: I've been there and I was on a dancing part.
Speaker 1: Maybe we need to go and do singing. We need
Speaker 1: to do and we can do this and I can
Speaker 1: sing and show you how great you're not.
Speaker 2: And you guys need to be on Twitch too. That
Speaker 2: will be great So people can watch you watch this live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be fun. Yeah, So what do
Speaker 1: you what do you switch?
Speaker 2: So basically what Twitch is, it's originally a gaming platform,
Speaker 2: so it's like webcaming, but instead of like showing your
Speaker 2: boobs or your ass or your dick, you show your gameplay.
Speaker 2: But Twitch has evolved so much now where there are
Speaker 2: different type of channel and some people they also have
Speaker 2: what they call Iral's channel, which is like you go
Speaker 2: out with your friends and you it's the live feed
Speaker 2: of you guys going out, having fun, discovered talking to people.
Speaker 2: You know. There is a section called the just Chatting channel,
Speaker 2: which I do a lot, where it's you talking to
Speaker 2: people and different topics that a lot of people do
Speaker 2: great podcasts too, And.
Speaker 1: It's no gaming, it's just talk and.
Speaker 2: Not necessarily gaming. You don't have to do a channel
Speaker 2: for gaming on Twitch anymore. My channel is it's com
Speaker 2: manual for our TV follow Twitch, dot tv slash manual
Speaker 2: for our TV.
Speaker 1: I'm pluging my ship you that's what.
Speaker 2: We want and my channel is a mix of all
Speaker 2: that which I do gaming, but I do also every
Speaker 2: Friday afternoon. I do not today, but I do like
Speaker 2: advice show with another French streamer. We do a thing
Speaker 2: where we get actual calls from people and they tell
Speaker 2: us their story or they ask us for advice and
Speaker 2: we joke with them. We don't make fun of people.
Speaker 2: We we make fun of with them of the situations
Speaker 2: or like we explain things to them and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: But I also do like I do a lot of sports,
Speaker 2: so I do a lot of basketball training that I stream.
Speaker 2: I play tennis on stream too and like like so
Speaker 2: it's really a multi section, very interactional. Yeah, so it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's such a huge passion for me. It's also like
Speaker 2: a form of therapy for me.
Speaker 1: Like I do this because you're a big kid too.
Speaker 1: I am a husy and that's the thing, is what
Speaker 1: I like to is because like what we do too
Speaker 1: is which you know, we're big kids all the time,
Speaker 1: but it's like we do things that we love something.
Speaker 1: It's like we I know, myself as I never wanted
Speaker 1: to go to a nine to five. There's people out
Speaker 1: there that I you know, more power to all of you.
Speaker 1: But I'm just a free spirit where it's like if
Speaker 1: I wanted to express myself sexually or it in gaming
Speaker 1: or like the podcast, it's like, yeah, I just fly.
Speaker 2: How great it is that you can leave out of
Speaker 2: your passion it is.
Speaker 1: And it's really a lot of people, I feel like,
Speaker 1: don't do that till later on in life. So I
Speaker 1: feel like we're very lucky that we kind of started
Speaker 1: that journey and some people.
Speaker 2: Don't ever do it, Like, you know, we're lucky because
Speaker 2: we found our way. Like think about it, if you
Speaker 2: if you never put Michael Phelips in a pool, like,
Speaker 2: how would you ever know that is the fastest swimmer
Speaker 2: on the planet. If you never gave a basketball to
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, how would you know like that? You know, well,
Speaker 2: if you were never in porld, how would people have
Speaker 2: or how would you have known? Maybe you would have
Speaker 2: had a nine to five job and board as you know,
Speaker 2: for the rest of them.
Speaker 1: I've had them for sure, And Dashney was bored, you know.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like we're just lucky because
Speaker 2: some people they go through life not find not being
Speaker 2: able to use their real passion as a.
Speaker 1: Job for sure. And I feel like nowadays, I feel
Speaker 1: like what I think is so great about you know
Speaker 1: platforms and other streams of you know revenue