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Speaker 1: There's always things, interesting things going on that we can

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talk about, and we always have something we I'd like

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to keep something kind of in my back pocket in

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case something like this happens with a guest, especially as

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we move into cold and flu season, these things will happen.

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There's a story involving the Pretenders rock Legends. The Pretenders, Uh,

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they've been around for decades and decades of course, and

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uh there's a little bit of controversy around the band now,

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and it's by the way, it seems like these days

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controversy in the music industry. It stems from well, either

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either AI related issues, which is what we talk about

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a lot, or issues in terms of the live touring business.

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We've done a couple of segments on the Oasis tour

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and some of the issues around that. And then of

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course there's the limp biscuit lawsuit for two hundred million

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dollars against UMG Universal Music Group, and I thought about

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maybe talking about that today and maybe, you know, maybe

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we will. If the guys from Dead By Winds they

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don't get here, you know, maybe we'll we'll go to

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that after we finished talking about this. But so the Pretenders,

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they they have done something controversial, but it has nothing

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to do with ticket prices or the availability of tickets

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and all that goes wrong there. This is what's going

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on with the Pretenders, and I think this is interesting,

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and this is from what website is this americansongwriter dot Com.

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And I don't know how far we'll get into this

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because the guys could arrive at any time, But the

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Pretenders are dividing fans over new live music policy. So

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here's what it says. With decades long career. With a

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decades long career under their belt, the Pretenders are no

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strangers to the dynamics of live performances. But in October

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twenty twenty four shakeup prompted by frontwoman Chrissy Hind has

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left many wondering if she's lost touch with the proper

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relationship between fans and musicians. Hind made her announcement ahead

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of The Pretender's October sixteen performance at USh Hall in Edinburgh, Scotland,

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and in true online fashion, the Internet seems wholly divided

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over whether Hine's comments were just or unfounded. By the way,

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I intentionally avoided pre reading this, so I'm learning about

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this with you. If you're not already aware of it,

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because I want to give you my unvarnished, shall we say,

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gut reaction to this, So it says here. The Pretender's

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embarked on an almost exclusively sold out tour of the

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UK in October. Stops include Oxford, Bristol, Portsmouth in London,

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among other large cities cities. But just before the band

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made their way to Scotland's capital to perform at Usher Hall,

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Chrissy Hind shared a message on social media that angered

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many fans, and here's what she said. Quote. First of all,

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thank you to everyone who's come to see our shows.

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We're in the home stretch of this year's tour and

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it's been a real pleasure. Fantastic cities and fantastic audiences.

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We've had a great time playing for you. One thing

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we feel a blit to explain when we go on tour,

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the whole point is for the band. The whole point

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of it for the band is that we are playing

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to a different audience every night. That's why we go

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on tour. So if we're in Edinburgh like we are tonight,

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we look forward to seeing local faces. This is what

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makes it new for us. Every night. We appreciate those

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of you who follow us and buy tickets for multiple nights.

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So please don't be offended if we request you to

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move out of the front row. All we are asking

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is that you give the local fans a chance. This

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is what keeps it new for us, especially after being

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on tour for so many months. Unquote Okay again, I

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did not preread this. I didn't know this is what

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this was about. My gut reaction. And by the way,

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I'll open the phone line too if you have a

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reaction to this six oh three two five oh six

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course you can chime in the chat room, but the

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studio line is open. Six oh three two five six

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oh seven. My gut react action of this is what

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are you doing? Why would you This is weird to

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me for a couple of reasons. Number one, why would

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you go out of your way to alienate your your

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fans that way, your die hard fans, Because obviously, if

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anybody is actually going and following the band around buying

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tickets to multiple shows, you're only doing that unless you're

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a scalper. You're only doing that if you're a die

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hard fan. So why would you want to alienate your

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most dedicated fans like that. That's bizarre and I think

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really self sabotaging. It's really strange. Another thing that I

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find very odd about this is are you trying to

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tell me that when you're on stage and you look

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out at the crowd. First of all, I mean, you

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know the pretenders they're I mean they've they've got to

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be in their seventies at least, right, Well, I shouldn't

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say at least. I'm sure they're not in their eighties,

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not late sixties. I mean, are they actually able, like

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is Chrissy Hind Maybe she wears contact lenses in a

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correct or vision to twenty twenty. I have no idea,

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but I'm just saying, is she able to actually look

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out at the crowd and see as she's performing, look

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at the faces, look at the people she sees in

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the front row, and look at them, see their faces

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clearly enough to identify, Hey, these are all the same

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people I saw at the previous show. And even if

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she can do that, I find it really hard to believe. Look,

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a problem, Like is it actually all the same people

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in the front row of every show? I just find

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that hard to believe. Yes, there are people who will,

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if they really love a band, if they're a die hard,

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if they're a super fan, they'll buy tickets and try

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to go to as many different shows as they can.

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last time you'd see them, right at the end of

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the road tour, you know, people would, people who had

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the money because it's expensive, you know, people would buy

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tickets for multiple shows and kind of follow the band,

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you know. And of course there's bands that are legendary

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for having those kinds of fans that would do that

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kind of thing, Like The Grateful Dead is probably the

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epitome of that, right, the classic example of you know,

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you had all these dead heads who would who would

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actually sort of go on tour with the band, and

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that they would follow and the band would go on tour,

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these people would follow I don't know how anyone affords it,

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but how you know, would follow the band on tour

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and go to all the shows, and you know, it

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gets to a point where the band gets to know

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the fans, gets to know these super fans, knows them

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by name, develops relationships with them because they see them

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so much. You know, but do the pretenders as they're

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doing these shows? Is it literally the same people in

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the front row? I just find that hard to believe.

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their place in music history and their fan base I'm

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sure is even in twenty twenty four. Obviously these shows

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are selling out, so obviously their fan base is enormous.

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believe that Chrissy hind is actually looking at the front

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row and seeing the exact same set of people every night.

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why do you want to do this to those people?

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Why do you want to talk to them that way?

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Why do you want to alienate them? You know? It's

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bizarre to me, And and what in her mind would

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make her think that this was a good idea to

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say this publicly and to I mean, you're chastising people. Really,

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it's very I mean not to sound cliche, but if

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this even still means anything in twenty twenty four, but

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it's very unrock and roll. I would say, you know,

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telling telling people, well, you know, if you buy a ticket,

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you know, I don't want I don't want to see

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you in the front row more than once. I mean,

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it's just I find this very bizarre. I find this

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whole thing very strange. Let's see. So here's the next

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part of the article. This ought to be good. Fans

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react to the band's request. Uh uh. Now, I again,

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a prediction, and I'm going to predict that the reaction

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was not positive. But let's see. Well again, if you're

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if you're just learning about this as I am, will

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learn together. But so it's not a spoiler, but I'm

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guessing that there was a bit of a negative pushback

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on this. Okay, it says Chrissy Ian's announcement divided fans

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across several social media platforms. While some praised the singer

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and guitarists for her thoughtfulness and willingness to prioritize local crowds.

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Others condemned the message, saying it was disrespectful to her

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most devoted fans. These fans, the dissentered argues, deserved top priority.

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I don't even think of it in those terms. I

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don't think of it in terms of who deserves Nobody

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deserves top priority. This is uh. You know, touring is

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a business operating in a free market. You know, whoever

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buys the tickets buys the tickets. Whoever's going to the

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show is going to the show. If you buy a

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front row ticket, you get your front row seat. That's it.

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matter of first come, first serve. Now. I know that

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it's not a perfect system. And we've talked a lot

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tickets and the dynamic pricing, which is very controversial. I

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don't want to take that side street right now, but

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I get it. But look, it's not a matter of

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quote unquote prioritize local crowds. Then maybe maybe if you can,

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maybe you devise something. This might be too convoluted and complex,

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you buy a ticket, if you show residency. It sounds

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like I'm talking about voting, but we don't. We don't

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do politics. But if you show residency, maybe if you're

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buying a ticket to that local show, then you get

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a free meet and greet. Right, that's part of the

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and I don't know if the Pretenders is doing anything

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like that, but you can, you know, on a lot

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package and you get to meet the band and have

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they get to meet you. I don't know, I mean,

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if you're really that serious about this, but this is

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just strange. This is just strange. Okay, So here's an example.

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Here's some examples of some of the reactions. One angry

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fan posted on Facebook quote talk about how to kick

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your biggest supporters in the teeth, and I suppose you

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don't want your photo taken either. Get off the stage

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if you can't appreciate the people who have kept you there.

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I just found this statement really insulting. Talk about taking

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your biggest supporters for granted. Sorry, we're bored of your quote. Sorry,

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we're bored of your faces unquote Yeah, I mean again,

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Chrissy hind is not clearly it is not her intention

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to kick pretenders fans in the teeth. But uh, she

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just doesn't want to have to see your teeth. You know,

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she doesn't want you close enough. She doesn't want to

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have to see your teeth on more than one night.

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I guess other self described uber fans stood by Heine's request. Okay,

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so there's an example of a supporter. One commenter said, quote,

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It's about the band who wants to keep things fresh

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at the end of a long tour for the benefit

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of all those who attend, and for local fans, ninety

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nine percent of whom this is their only and maybe

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last chance to see the band. You don't own the

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band and shouldn't own the front row experience, and well

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done Chrissy for having the guts to courteously point that

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out unquote, but the commenter says here, this commenter is saying, well,

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you know, ninety nine percent of these people this will

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kind of undercuts the point, doesn't it. Okay, dead by

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Wednesday is here,