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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to when you know, you know, Unleashed, the show

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<v Speaker 1>where nothing's off limits because out here there's no FCC

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<v Speaker 1>breathing down on next the first guest actually lived through

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<v Speaker 1>something different. She didn't choose the spotlight. The spotlight found her,

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<v Speaker 1>and it nearly burned her alive. Her name became a

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<v Speaker 1>headline before anyone bothered to ask her what actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>She's known for being part of one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>sports celebrity scandals of all time. I'm talking about Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>you could tell. So Welcome to the podcast. Rachel. So

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<v Speaker 1>great to see you, my friend. It has been let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say, it's been more than a day. You have

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<v Speaker 1>an age, not one bit. I do want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you something because you and I share something very very similar,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's being thrust into public light, and interestingly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody prepares you for waking up one morning finding

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<v Speaker 1>out that the whole world has an opinion about you

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<v Speaker 1>and your life. Take me back to that moment when

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<v Speaker 1>you realize that your name was about to become a headline.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember when that happened? Unfortunately to me, Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>was going through your head in those first twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours and what did you feel emotionally and even physically

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<v Speaker 1>at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So, first of all, Michael, I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for having me on your show. Obviously, we've known each

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<v Speaker 2>other for a long time. We've been in and out

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<v Speaker 2>of each other's lives a little bit, and I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>happy to see you where you are now, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>an honor to be on your show to answer your question.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that twenty four hours and I remember that

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<v Speaker 2>moment really vividly when essentially to put a caption on it,

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<v Speaker 2>it was when I knew that my life was about

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<v Speaker 2>to change and the person that I was up until

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<v Speaker 2>that point would sort of no longer exist.

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<v Speaker 3>My name was.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to precede me in any room, that people were

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<v Speaker 2>going to think that they knew me, and they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>know the whole story, and it was terrifying. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was around Thanksgiving of two thousand and and now when

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, the news started to report that

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<v Speaker 2>Tiger Woods was in an accident, and I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 2>getting a phone call a couple hours later from a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter saying, I just want to let you know that

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<v Speaker 2>the paparazzi is descending upon your apartment right now. If

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<v Speaker 2>you want to say something, you should say it right now,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise we're going to say it for you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hung up the phone. I was by myself, and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember panicking. I remember the feeling of my stomach

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<v Speaker 2>going in my throat of.

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<v Speaker 3>Not knowing what to do but almost floating.

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<v Speaker 2>As well as panicking because I was like, what does

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<v Speaker 2>this mean? You know, I didn't understand the gravity of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand how big that story was going to be,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just knew that I was about to be

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<v Speaker 2>under attack, and I felt like this fight or flight mode,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean, it's you know, we could talk for

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<v Speaker 2>many hours about that, twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>And we actually have. We actually have talked for many

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<v Speaker 1>hours about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we have.

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<v Speaker 2>But the biggest thing that I remember is just feeling

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<v Speaker 2>like I was completely alone, Like I was scared to

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<v Speaker 2>death of what this meant in terms of everything I

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<v Speaker 2>had created up until that point. And I was scared

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<v Speaker 2>about how to react to people I knew and who

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<v Speaker 2>are acquaintances, and then people that didn't know me, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you probably know, everyone wanted to be part of

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<v Speaker 2>that story, right Everyone wants to say they know me

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<v Speaker 2>they have some story to tell, and I could would

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<v Speaker 2>read those things and I would say, how could they

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<v Speaker 2>say that?

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<v Speaker 3>How did they get that information? That's not even true.

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<v Speaker 2>Those people didn't even know me, And that was the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I had to wrestle with for many years,

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<v Speaker 2>because part of the story is like you become a headline,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're no longer a person, And to grapple with

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<v Speaker 2>it with friends was different than obviously people that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know me. Yeah, I even had to deal with that

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<v Speaker 2>with friends, because it was a moment where I realized that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I really had to look within and figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who I was as a person and what friends

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to keep in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me ask you this then, because looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you knew that you were going to be dating

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<v Speaker 1>a celebrity. You knew that, of course Tiger was married.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you ready to be publicly scrutinized if they found

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<v Speaker 1>that out, because it's not like he was an unknown

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<v Speaker 1>And let me ask you another part to that question,

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<v Speaker 1>what would you tell you yourself in that exact moment when

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<v Speaker 1>the two of you had met and decided to see

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<v Speaker 1>one another. If you can go back in time right now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people ask me that question as it

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<v Speaker 1>relates to President Trump. Is there anything that you would

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<v Speaker 1>have done differently? You know, not to avoid the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>but more to survive it better.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a hard question because I will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you that I know I went back in time. Would

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<v Speaker 2>I do things differently? Know, because I didn't know any better.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the lessons you learn as you go

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<v Speaker 2>through life, as you have to go through things.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you can go back in time now, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what you know, would you do something differently? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course. I mean I would do plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>things differently. But at the same time, I will say that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I haven't. There's a lot of things that

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<v Speaker 2>we all know now. There's a lot of stories that

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<v Speaker 2>have come out. I personally have spoken I did the

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<v Speaker 2>HBO documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>I really only talked.

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<v Speaker 2>About stuff that was A lot of it that I

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about was out in public. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the story that I haven't talked about. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I will say is that, of course I regret

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<v Speaker 2>being the other woman in a marriage. I would never

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<v Speaker 2>do that now, I get I talked to listen. Cheating

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<v Speaker 2>on your spouse is like a common thing these days.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of see it. People do it all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it seems like it's not that big of

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<v Speaker 2>a deal because everyone talks about it and there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>consequences like there were back in the day with such

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<v Speaker 2>a big story.

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<v Speaker 3>I would never do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't associate with those kind of people or scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get involve. I don't condone it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it. I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I met Tiger through Derek Jeter, and I met Tiger

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<v Speaker 2>when he was dating other people.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was in a world and that I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to get myself in trouble here, But like I

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<v Speaker 2>was in a world of running nightclubs.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I ran tow in Las Vegas and then eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>other places were places where I was the director of

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<v Speaker 2>VIP operations. I only dealt with high rollers or celebrities,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was their gatekeeper and their wing woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Would I do it again?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was an amazing job.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people ask me that. The reason I'm asking

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<v Speaker 1>this question is because people ask me all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing what you know and what happened to you meaning

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<v Speaker 1>the total destruction of my life. Would you do something

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<v Speaker 1>different as it, for example, related to the payment to

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<v Speaker 1>Stormy Daniels And I constantly say no, I would not.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not do anything different. I understand the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>I do, but I knew what I was doing in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of an NDA, something a nondisclosure agreement, something that

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<v Speaker 1>is done routinely. The only difference, the only one difference

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<v Speaker 1>which caused me to ultimately be charged federally under campaign

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<v Speaker 1>finance is the fact that Donald J. Trump became President

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. So no, I would not have

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<v Speaker 1>done anything different to protect a friend, which sort of

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<v Speaker 1>brings me to a different question, because there is a

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<v Speaker 1>difference between being talked about and being misrepresented. You were misrepresented.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe I was misrepresented literally going from the Steele

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<v Speaker 1>dossier all the way to the end. How much of

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<v Speaker 1>what the world thought that it knew about you was

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<v Speaker 1>actually true?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think I think the biggest misconception is that

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<v Speaker 2>they think they knew me because of a headline, and

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<v Speaker 2>that just wasn't true. Listen, Obviously I was involved in,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a relationship with somebody, and that was true.

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<v Speaker 1>But who who was married you who was married and

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<v Speaker 1>you were not.

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<v Speaker 2>Right who was married and I was not, But I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to be very clear, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a victim in any situation.

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<v Speaker 3>I did something that I do feel bad about, but.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time, I have reconciled, I've done the

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<v Speaker 2>work to know that the only person I needed to

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<v Speaker 2>apologize to was the wife, and that is who I

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<v Speaker 2>owed my apology to and who I've learned a lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>So to go back to your first question of if

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<v Speaker 2>I would ever do it again, I would not do

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<v Speaker 2>that again. I would not be another woman again. But

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<v Speaker 2>the other things that I did to survive that scenario

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<v Speaker 2>I had to learn and get through to live my

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<v Speaker 2>life and be who I am now. I'm very proud

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<v Speaker 2>of the person I am now. I'm very proud of

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<v Speaker 2>those situations. So like you, you know, I know the

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<v Speaker 2>situation you went through. I actually and I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about this. You know, Stormy with somebody I knew

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<v Speaker 2>in Las Vegas, and she contacted me right after she

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<v Speaker 2>was with mister Truck, and you know, she wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>sell that story years before, and so I understood the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing that was going on. You know, and you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you became president is how this.

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<v Speaker 3>All got us into a situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is things that we were all dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>and we all kind of surrounded ourselves with back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, and it wasn't a big deal. So now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forgetting the question you just asked me at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me change it a little bit and ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever try to correct the record? Because there

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<v Speaker 1>was much information that was being said about you that

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<v Speaker 1>was inaccurate. Yeah, did you ever try to correct the record?

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<v Speaker 1>And more importantly, what do you want right now? Using

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<v Speaker 1>this massive platform that we have right here on WABC

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<v Speaker 1>with my when you know, you know, unleashed, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want them to know about? Like the person who

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<v Speaker 1>I know, the Rachel you could tell that I know

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<v Speaker 1>who you really are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, listen. The thing is is it's very

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<v Speaker 2>complicated because I spent years trying to correct the record.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was is I had a thirty five page NDA,

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<v Speaker 2>and part of that NDA was not even acknowledging that

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<v Speaker 2>I had anything to do with this person or the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cuffing of that, the clamping of being able

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<v Speaker 2>to verbalize that saying listen, I'm not even allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that. That was breaking the NDA. So a

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<v Speaker 2>huge part of my story that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize is that this misconception that came with me,

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<v Speaker 2>all these terrible words of you know, homewrecker and mistress

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<v Speaker 2>the truth of what happened. And that has been the

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<v Speaker 2>serve a purpose and there is a good reason for some,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do think, for example, the one that I

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be like, you know, a scarlet letter.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what is worth the scarlet letter that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>In general.

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<v Speaker 2>It was worse than the situation because it prevented me

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<v Speaker 2>as you know, is a thing that is so damaging.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you turn your lights off a night and

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<v Speaker 2>you go to sleep and you put your head on

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<v Speaker 2>the pillow, Michael, you know that all those things are

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<v Speaker 2>going through your head and you want to explain yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you have an NDA, you cannot, not even

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<v Speaker 2>to my mother, not to a friend, not to a husband,

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<v Speaker 1>You want to hear something really funny. You know the

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<v Speaker 1>NDA that I did would Stormy Daniels. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>I patterned it after the NTA that Tiger had given

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<v Speaker 1>to you, with the pseudonyms and so on. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually brilliant, right, and to have a side

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<v Speaker 1>letter whereby you can use it when I read about

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<v Speaker 1>the NDA, and so I just like, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 1>really a great idea in terms of how to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't want a document floating around out there

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe somebody gets their hand on. So there's only

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<v Speaker 1>that one paid pseudonym explanation. But I actually want to

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<v Speaker 1>finish by asking you because you very much like a

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Lewinsky story where her life was defined by a

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<v Speaker 1>single moment. A single moment. People don't know the real Rachel.

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<v Speaker 1>You could tell they didn't know all the accomplishments that

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<v Speaker 1>help and to do things for. I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>finish by telling the audience what's one piece of advice

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<v Speaker 1>that you rachel you could tell would give to someone

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<v Speaker 1>who might be actually one bad headline away from something

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if they're one bad headline away, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>think before you make your next step, and maybe think

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<v Speaker 2>about what you have and how that's going to feel

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<v Speaker 2>when you lose it, and how your credibility is going

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<v Speaker 2>to feel when you lose it. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 2>will say on another part of that question, though, is

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<v Speaker 2>if these headlines happen, whether it's in your own community

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<v Speaker 2>or in the public, I personally believe that silence is

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<v Speaker 2>not your friend. I think that owning your narrative, owning

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<v Speaker 2>your voice is the most important way you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of it and hitting rock bottom. People don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hit rock then they don't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>through the uncomfortable as you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think know going through.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the only way to understand life and to

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<v Speaker 2>on the only way to figure out wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>what are the mistakes that I made, what's worth it,

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<v Speaker 2>what's not, and how.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to live going forward. So, just like you,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>To go back to your other question, I don't regret

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<v Speaker 2>because I know how to get myself out of any situation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>just like you, you can decide if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be friends with somebody, if you want to reconcile, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to move forward with things, because you have

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<v Speaker 2>the knowledge of what happened in the past, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, it's like I want to tell people that

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<v Speaker 2>are in situations like this, you got to own your narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be persuaded by people that want you to

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<v Speaker 2>say certain things. You can't say things just to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of a situation. You got to own what you

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<v Speaker 2>did wrong first, and then you got to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to move forward and be like, here's my story. But

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<v Speaker 2>my past doesn't define me. It just might make me

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting. But the past literally creates who I am

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<v Speaker 2>in the future and who I am now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well so interesting, well, so interesting that Rachel Yucatel has

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<v Speaker 1>a number one podcast that's out there. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>give yourself a nice little plug here, sure, which I,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, expect to be on very very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I am very excited to have you. And part

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<v Speaker 2>of the reason I created a show like this, it's

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<v Speaker 2>called Misunderstood with Rachel yu Cautel. It's about people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been reduced to a headline and their on a

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<v Speaker 2>mission to change their narrative about the complexities of the

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<v Speaker 2>human nature and the power of second chances. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we have everybody from politicians to athletes, to actors to

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<v Speaker 2>reality stars and sometimes ordinary people with extraordinary stories. We're

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<v Speaker 2>number one in entertainment news right now and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to have.

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<v Speaker 1>You on well and too Felon. So thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much Rachel for joining me on when you know, you know, unleashed.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it, and I would love to also one

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<v Speaker 1>of these days have you on my talk show here

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<v Speaker 1>on seventy seven WABC on Sundays at five pm. Can't wait, Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you sharing your story. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>parts that make you look good, the parts that make

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<v Speaker 1>good television, the parts that clearly still cost you something

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. And that's what the show is for

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<v Speaker 1>my friends. That's Rachel, you could tell. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>take one thing from this conversation, just one. Let it

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<v Speaker 1>be this, that the person behind the headline is never

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<v Speaker 1>the actual whole story, and we'll see you next time,

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<v Speaker 1>right here on when you know, you know, leashed