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Speaker 1: And we appreciate bringing in a guy that is widely

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regarded by the seven ninety family. Here, Jonathan Hutton hosts

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The Hot Mike with Hunting and Winthrow four to six,

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which will be three to five our time on I'll

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Kick Network, and Jonathan joins us from Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan's Matt, thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 1: Depression level one to ten this year on overall Tennessee

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Titans football watching him on a week to week basis.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead and give us the honest results.

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Speaker 3: I'm so depressed here because there's too much optimism about

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Will Levis. Let me put it that way. It's hit

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the ten. With the path that they're on. Titan spent

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a lot of money in free agency. They had plenty

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of promise, at least they thought so with their quarterback.

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And they're scoring about seventeen points a game. It's been miserable, empathetic.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's the reality, Jonathan. We're not close friends.

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I actually liked Will Levis coming out of college. I

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know I'm thinking I'm on a minority, and I thought

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there was a potential Steel taking him early second round.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and at the extra year of the guarantee.

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Speaker 1: I just thought putting some professional linement around him not

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making some of the silly mistakes. And there are times

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if you could watch a highlight film of Will Loves

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you know this better anybody else. There are some throws

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that he makes that are incredibly accurate, and then he

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does one or two dumb ass things per game. Why

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does he continue to make those kind of all shucks?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, what the hell is he doing? Moments

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Speaker 3: He's pressing, I mean, and you know he's good for

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a turnover game. And the interesting part about the turnovers

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is the new head coach, Brian Callahan, he doesn't get

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upset with the interceptions, but you're right that the dumb

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ass plays is where he's asking, you know, WTF, what

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are you thinking whenever he's coming out to the sideline.

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Now he has reduced those greatly over the last few weeks.

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He's back and he's not making the just the idiot turnover.

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But they have reduced his role. They have really lessened

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the deep shots, the risks, and they've tried to lean

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more on a run game. But the problem is they

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end up having to throw the football quite a bit

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because they trail in these games. And look, you're right

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about the moments. You know, he had a ninety eight

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yard touchdown pass to Nick Westbrookakine last week from his

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own two yard line, and he let it loose. I mean,

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you can see the NFL arm. But the problem is

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he goes six for six in that third quarter and

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does nothing else to help this offense move the football

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in the first half or the fourth. So you know,

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there's a lot of give and take, but there's a

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lot more take. And the problem with all of that

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is there's time running out on the evaluation of will Levis,

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which ultimately could include him coming back on the roster

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Speaker 1: Brian Callahan's first year there obviously did wonderful things in Cincinnati. Uh,

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he doesn't have enough parts right now to run what

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that offense was in the Natty correct at this at

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this juncture of the franchise.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first and foremost, he doesn't have Burrow.

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he's worked with. I mean, it's impressive he didn't call

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plays in Cincinnati. You know, the Zach Taylor regards him

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he's worked with, that that he's friends with. He brings

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his dad, Bill Callahan here to run the offensive line,

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and the offense has been and closer to what we

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than what Texans fans will will know and notice from

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been bad man and Matt The thing about what this

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offense can and can't do everything, and I've never seen

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anything like this. The one position that controls how.

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Speaker 2: Bad they are is at right tackle.

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Speaker 3: That the the walls cave in around Levis more times

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than not, and that one position that they overlooked this

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past offseason has come back to really just crater and

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derail any momentum that they can try to mustard. They're

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offensive minded head coach with an owner who when she

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hired him said she wanted more of the new age

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NFL offense, it has been. I mean, it's taking football

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Speaker 1: Jonathan hunting with us from I'll kick with Us from

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Nashville here on the Matt Thomas Show with Ross. So, Jonathan,

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how much regret is there that Derek Henry's having this

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renaissance in Baltimore and he's not doing it wearing Titan gear.

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Speaker 3: The most bizarre thing about that is Titans fans are

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pulling for Derrick Henry when he's a Raven and the

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reason is they want to see him win. Henry, So

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the money, he would have stayed, like if all things

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equal money, see, I think he wanted to go win,

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and the Ravens were the team that tried to trade

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for him in the middle of last season, and he

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knew that he wanted to go play this in an

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RPO offense. And if you watched Henry last year, he's

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getting hit in the backfield. He was starting to look

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like he was thirty years old. And when you see

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him run the football, he didn't look like the same

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Derrick Henry that was in the Arthur Smith offense that

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was paired with Tannehill. It was bad. And the difference

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is the old line that the Titans have really messed

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up in drafts of recent years, and that starts up front.

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to rely on it because their quarterback, the previously mention

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is turning football over. So Henry didn't. He went out

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the right way. Very few contracts end up playing out

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in total, and he did it here. He had a

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farewell speech in the stadium on the microphone after his

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final game, and yeah, I think I think Titans fans

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are pulling for him to to do the best that

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he can to win the title, because that's that's the

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one thing that he he says that he wants to

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go do before he's done, and I believe him. He's

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lives in Texas as well, right And I mean he'll

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be lived in the minds of Titans fans because that

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was their offense. You know, he was the identity and

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the Titans don't have that anymore.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you held.

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Speaker 1: The defense feels like it's getting a pretty good reputation

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around the league. Now, obviously the Lions game is exclusion

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Speaker 2: What they did a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: But how the hell does this defense even wake up

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knowing that they if they don't give up, if they

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give up more than say thirteen or sixteen points, are

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gonna lose the game because this Titans offense just has

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not moved the football down the field at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's sudden change moments too. During the season.

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in that game. It's fourteen fourteen, and you see some

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big plays happen with the turnovers. The lines lead the league,

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Speaker 2: The football over in recent weeks.

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Speaker 3: The sudden change moments, Matt are the reason why the

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defense gives up the points. They're put in some really

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bad spots. But beyond that, the numbers are a bit misleading.

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Speaker 2: When they need to stop.

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Speaker 3: But when the Titans offense actually scores, the defense will

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give up a long drive when they need a stop

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just to get the football back. They haven't been able

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to get that drive and get that stop. Now. The

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defense is the lease of their worries. They don't have

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a pass rush. Their secondary is beaten up and banged up.

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been out for the majority of the season. They're playing

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with backups in the secondary, and they're still doing this

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through an aggressive style where they're putting pressure on quarterbacks,

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not getting sacks, but they're getting off the field and

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you know that their offense isn't helping them. I'm surprised

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that we haven't seen more finger pointing to this point

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because the defense is carried away and they would have

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a few more wins if not for the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So if you're overhauling this team next year,

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Speaker 3: Where am I where am I selecting?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Well, I would say top four would be fair

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think Dion will let Schador play in Nashville.

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wants to be in Vegas. Look, they need right tackle

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on edge rusher. I never passed on a quarterback though

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they don't have one. They've got a five hundred quarterback

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whenever he's at his best and Will Levis and I

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think that's probably being more optimistic than I should be

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given the evidence that we have. They got a quarterback

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coach as a head coach. They need to pair him

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with a quarterback that starts. That starts the whole process

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of where they're selecting Matt That right tackle is atrocious.

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edge rush. They don't have a rush. They don't have

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a pass rush. They've got Jeffrey Simmons in the middle

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of the defensive line and that's it. They have to

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get more pressure on the quarterback to help out a

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secondary that is sometimes torched throughout games. And I mean

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they draw a penalty. Opponents draw a penalty on the

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in the in the NFL for this season. So yeah,

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they've got to get it. Starts with the quarterback and

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Speaker 1: All right, Two last questions not about the Titans, or

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at least one off the field and one non Titans

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is the goalpost still in the river after the event

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victory and they pull that bad boy out.

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Speaker 3: Yet they pulled it out and they Vanderbilt in the city.

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They like cut it up into pieces and then sold

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off pieces of it for charity for a fundraiser that

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the university did. So I thought that was cool. You know,

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the police helped march it down. They led the escort

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down Broadway and there was nothing dangerous about that. That

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: It's two miles, yeah, and also a steep there's a

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steep river bank as well. That's not well lit. I

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mean it's not much lighting over there in the pitch

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darkness because there's no events over there at that time

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of night. So I'm surprised as well about about that.

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luck going in. Morgan wall and threw a barstool of

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a six four balcony at Eric Church's bar on Broadway.

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this case, you know, the the goalpost is is uh

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lastly, my audience knows this. I grew up as

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I was without a football team. I observed the Texans.

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I'm just not a per se fan. If they win,

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of I'm a Cougar fan, so I have a lot

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of turmol in my life. I've had the Astros lose

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World Series and cheating, So I just hear that you're

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Speaker 2: You're like me.

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Speaker 3: I root for the storyline more than.

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Speaker 1: You can't take any more to spare, So I'm just

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and general managers and bad coaching fires. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a huge insulting that she'd wore

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the Order gear against the Texans, because it was a

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thumb your nose at Houston and they.

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Speaker 2: Got our ass kicked by that.

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Speaker 1: Last year she wanted to sue the University Houston for

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wearing the Houston Blue which are wearing this Saturday.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really not a fan of hers.

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Speaker 1: Give me the perception of ownership with its Nashville fans,

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and I know at some point you guys want to

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get a replacement for Nissan Stadium.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with those two situations.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll start with the stadium. The stadium's currently under construction.

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They've got it. That's a two point one billion dollars

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stadium ownership is contributing seven hundred million. It's amazing what

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the owners will get across the league from city and

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state governments. It's going to be amazing. So yeah, i'd

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be the state of the art and it'll be perfect.

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It's literally right beside the current stadium, and you should

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be open in twenty twenty seven Super Bowl by twenty thirty,

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twenty thirty one, if I had to guess, Amy Adams

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Strunk took over after we after what was just pure

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misery during the Ken Whizen Hunt era, Bud Adams passed

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away Tommy Smith, the son in law, of the husband

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of Susie.

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Speaker 2: Who were in town.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was not good. Yeah, and it was it was

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just not good. You know. They took over a team

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that they had not been a part of, and from

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an ownership standpoint, I'm saying, so, you know, Amy and

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as Trunk came in and took over, and they had

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them on the path. They went to the Nation Championship game,

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made a hire of a guy who was from Tennessee

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and John Robinson, who was really the face of the

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franchise quite frankly, because he's he's a Tennesseean.

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Speaker 2: And it was a dream job.

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Speaker 3: She fired him after giving him a raise nine months earlier,

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fired him in the middle of the season in December

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when the team was seven and five and leading in

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the NFC South. Since then they had been awful.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And and that's you know, due to you know, the

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quick trigger of some hiring environs. The same thing with

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Mike Rabel And I think that's also a lot of

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what Bud would have done, quite frankly.

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Speaker 2: And look, I.

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Speaker 3: Think the whole Oiler's Blue Blumbia Blue is is more

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about the family in the city than it is the team, right,

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Like and you would know better than me on that.

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But Bud always had a chip on his shoulder when

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it came to Houston. You don't the one game you

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don't want to lose as a head coach is that

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game there this week. They just it's always been one

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of those games.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: That and that's the one that they circled. It's the

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one that Houston circles. I love the rivalry of it,

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but there's definitely more than just a rivalry there. There's

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a chip on the shoulder, there's some bad blood, and

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I think both sides lean into it. I'm not pretty

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the full details of you know, the Oiler's history when

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Bud had the team there. I know how the team

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left and that left a bad taste and everyone's about

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that still felt today. So I mean, you're you're you're

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a great ample. You have nothing first to bring it

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up and ask me, and from this from on this end,

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it's really not talked about. Yeah, unless you walk through

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the facility. There's a lot of Oiler's history in their facility.

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But they as soon as they became the Tennessee Titans,

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they treated almost like two franchises Titans History Oilers History

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franchise history. That's how they reference it. But their facility

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is full of Houston memorabilia. It's like you're in Texas.

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A great thing and and and an ode to Uh.

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I take a tip of the cap to her dad,

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who would love it.

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Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta let you go, and I go

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throw up in my mouth right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jonathan, it was great visiting with you.

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Speaker 1: You're now our official Tennessee insider, so we're calling you

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at least twice here.

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Speaker 3: You know these things, right, yeah, Well feel free, uh

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and get the Nashville We'll go down Broadway and we'll

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do the tour of of all of the the bauchery.

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Speaker 1: And all I want to do. We'll get you an

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NBA franchise and I'll be there in a heartbeat. John

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is grazy visit with you. Thanks again for coming.

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Speaker 2: On the show. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Jonathan Hunting from OutKick, I mean,

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really good insight, and he knows my pain like a

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lot of you know my pain. A lot of you

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experience in my pain.