Speaker 1: Oh well, des are.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jaan. Today
Speaker 2: we bring back your boy, Maddie Ice. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Cult, my good brother.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, it's as you said, and you know before we
Speaker 2: got started, it's actually been since September since we had
Speaker 2: you on, and with your board, I can see you
Speaker 2: got a new one going on back there. I mean,
Speaker 2: has it been filling in even crazier ever since the
Speaker 2: election and how everything's starting to roll out here lately.
Speaker 3: No, what I have up there is just the main
Speaker 3: blood and guts of what connects the time travel Trump conspiracy,
Speaker 3: which is Trump Tesla, Uncle John McAfee, Mark Twain, and
Speaker 3: I just left everything off for a while. I also
Speaker 3: have up there the Thai Terminatrix conspiracy, which is Jack
Speaker 3: from the Terminate or from Titanic, was a time traveler
Speaker 3: sent there because Rose was Sarah Connor's grandmother. Shut up,
Speaker 3: it works out, it works perfect.
Speaker 2: How do you even get there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna have to take that one step by step. Also,
Speaker 4: not to derail that one, because I'm more interested in
Speaker 4: that one. But where did Mark Twain come into Trump,
Speaker 4: Tesla and the time.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: Mark Twain was friends with Nikola Tesla okay during the
Speaker 3: eighteenth late eighteen hundreds all the way up until his death,
Speaker 3: but so much so that Tesla told him what to
Speaker 3: invest in and what not to invest in technology wise,
Speaker 3: even though he didn't listen to him. And he also
Speaker 3: wrote a book that is somewhat about time travel called
Speaker 3: A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, where a guy
Speaker 3: who is a he goes by the boss, is hit
Speaker 3: on the head and travels back in time to King
Speaker 3: Arthur's day and uses his knowledge of the future to
Speaker 3: become a ruler of sorts or to insert him. So
Speaker 3: he actually makes a a position than King Arthur's kingdom
Speaker 3: for himself called the Master of whatever. But he uses
Speaker 3: his knowledge of the future and technology to blow up
Speaker 3: tower using dynamite and a bolt of lightning.
Speaker 4: So I may be wrong here, but wasn't that the
Speaker 4: premise or at least the inspiration behind the movie A
Speaker 4: Kid in King Arthur's Court? But like the kid didn't
Speaker 4: come back and like, you know, try to rule shit.
Speaker 4: But he like with the technology that a kid from
Speaker 4: the nineties would have known, about came back like made
Speaker 4: Man and shit like that. Yeah, yeah, wow, Okay, I
Speaker 4: didn't know that Mark Twain and Tesla were homies.
Speaker 2: Not gonna lie, well, I found an article on it. Actually, Okay,
Speaker 2: the secret to Mark Twain's friendship with Nikola Tesla.
Speaker 4: Get out of here.
Speaker 2: So it says having famous friends can be both a
Speaker 2: blessing and a burden in our oversaturated media aid. But
Speaker 2: about one hundred years ago, it could be quite fun
Speaker 2: to hang out with brilliant minds and discuss earth shattering ideas.
Speaker 2: And no friendship is perhaps any more curious than the
Speaker 2: one between the legendary American writer Mark Twain in one
Speaker 2: of the most iconoclastic minds ever. Never heard of that word,
Speaker 2: Nikola Tesla. By many accounts, Mark Twain was fascinated by
Speaker 2: technology and electricity, in particular. Visiting New York in the
Speaker 2: eighteen nineties, he became friends with Nikola Tesla, who had
Speaker 2: an interest in Mark Twain, having read some of his
Speaker 2: early works when he was recovering from a life threatening
Speaker 2: illness in the eighteen seventies, that's before he emigrated to
Speaker 2: the United States. The books were instrumental in Tesla's recovery,
Speaker 2: according to the scientists himself, who said the stories by
Speaker 2: Twain were so captivating as to make me utterly forget
Speaker 2: my hopeless state. That's sad, actually, it says Tesla got
Speaker 2: to explain this to Twain twenty five years later when
Speaker 2: they met, bringing the writer to tears. While the life
Speaker 2: saving power of Twain's words and their imaginations have been
Speaker 2: the secret sauce behind the friendship, another factor that drew
Speaker 2: them together was simply money. Twain or Samuel Clemens as
Speaker 2: was his real name, invested in new tech, including an
Speaker 2: electrical motor in the eighteen hundreds. This fact made Tesla's
Speaker 2: name known to Twain, who'd been hearing about the motor
Speaker 2: Tesla invented for Westinghouse. A historian Juliana Adelman wrote for
Speaker 2: The Irish Times, Tesla actually advised Twain against investing into
Speaker 2: a motor created by James W. Page, and advice the
Speaker 2: famous writer didn't heed losing a large sum of money
Speaker 2: on Page's mechanical type setter. In the end, Twain did
Speaker 2: think Tesla's motor design was superior, and was a frequent
Speaker 2: visitor in the inventor's lab, even taking part in experiments
Speaker 2: A number of photographs are a testament to these fascinating interactions.
Speaker 2: One well known story about Clemens or Tom Sawyer, not
Speaker 2: Tom Sawyer who Mark Twain rather, is the Tesla cured
Speaker 2: the Writer's constipation. That's a weird one. The author of
Speaker 2: Tom Sawyer took part in an experiment where he spent
Speaker 2: a considerable amount of time on an electro mechanical oscillator
Speaker 2: which generated high frequency alternating current and featured a vibrating plate.
Speaker 2: It was also known as the earthquake machine for its
Speaker 2: shaking and noise. Tesla believed that it could be medically
Speaker 2: helpful to Twain, who was known to have digestive problems.
Speaker 2: Vibrations could help with the constipation. In some accounts of.
Speaker 4: It, shook the shit loose man, all right.
Speaker 2: Just shook it out of him, Yeah, it says. The
Speaker 2: writer apparently did enjoy the machine for a few minutes
Speaker 2: until it started to behave like a laxative, sending him
Speaker 2: off to the restroom. The friendship between the two I
Speaker 2: need to get me some of that in my life.
Speaker 2: The friendship between the two Titans also included Twain's invitations
Speaker 2: for Tesla to join the Players Club in eighteen eighty
Speaker 2: eight and to attend the wedding of Twain's daughter.
Speaker 4: Looks up, Tesla got cholera. He was sick for like
Speaker 4: nine months in his bed ridden and that's when he
Speaker 4: like really got into Twain's works. And okay, didn't know
Speaker 4: that they had a whole not even a secret friendship,
Speaker 4: just I guess, not a very commonly known type of friendship.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's legit. So Twain was connected to Tesla,
Speaker 4: therefore connected to Trump and the time traveling situation.
Speaker 3: Okay, yep, that's what I was getting.
Speaker 4: That That is insane.
Speaker 2: Never heard that one before. Very fascinating. It's cool to
Speaker 2: like here, uh, because we didn't learn that shit in school.
Speaker 2: I mean not that necessarily it was necessary, you know, because.
Speaker 3: The Rockefellers control everything we've learned since nineteen fifty seven.
Speaker 2: The damn Jews rom just kidding Rothchilds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rothschild's for sure. But yeah, I guess if you
Speaker 4: want to get technical, who funded the Rockefellers in their inception?
Speaker 3: I can't like. The anti Jews stuff is everywhere right now.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, cana Jews again. It's crazy. People are like
Speaker 4: straight up quoting Hitler's rhetoric, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: Hitler's actually trying to save the world. It's like, bro,
Speaker 4: please go go get some fresh air and touch some grass.
Speaker 4: From what I understand to be fair to the other side,
Speaker 4: who may be assuming certain things, it's not necessarily towards
Speaker 4: the Jewish people as much as it is the Jewish.
Speaker 4: It's yeah, it's towards the Jewish elite, which I mean
Speaker 4: if you really yeah, yeah, it definitely does. But if
Speaker 4: you really look into it, there's a lot of people
Speaker 4: in power that are Jewish. But that does that necessarily
Speaker 4: mean that they're evil. I think that might be a
Speaker 4: step too far. I think that the people are just
Speaker 4: really looking back at history and seeing all what was
Speaker 4: it like one hundred and nineteen countries they got kicked
Speaker 4: out of and you know, that whole deal, and and
Speaker 4: then you see our relationship as the United States with Israel,
Speaker 4: and then you know we're gonna be getting into to it.
Speaker 4: But then you saw that there was some kind of
Speaker 4: Israeli intelligence factor into the JFK, you know, murder and
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, and the Masade, into the nine to eleven conspiracies
Speaker 3: and everything else.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not it's not unmitigated, I will say that.
Speaker 3: But what I'm getting at is, if we're gonna go
Speaker 3: by heritage, we're religion, that's a dangerous slope because birds
Speaker 3: of a feather flock together. If I'm in you know,
Speaker 3: if I'm a banker and my nephew needs a job
Speaker 3: and he's kind of looking at being a banker, I'm
Speaker 3: going to hire my nephew over this other guy done,
Speaker 3: and then he's going to be in there, and then
Speaker 3: he's going to hire his friends. And it's just birds
Speaker 3: of a feather are flocking together. And if he needs
Speaker 3: a lawyer, he's going to go to my lawyer, and
Speaker 3: then lat law is, you know, just a spiral effect.
Speaker 3: But when you put money and power into that, an
Speaker 3: illuminati starts to form or a or whatever you want
Speaker 3: to call it. But cabal is the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's kind of what a lot
Speaker 2: of people are getting at. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's necessarily fair to group because there's a Jewish people,
Speaker 2: then there's also the Jewish religion, and some people don't
Speaker 2: know how to split the lines.
Speaker 3: Of it with you know, all different types.
Speaker 4: I'm telling y'all it ain't been the Jews. It's been
Speaker 4: the Gypsies the whole fucking time. Everybody is so smart
Speaker 4: thinking the Jews are running the world now, dude, the
Speaker 4: Gypsies are the real puppet masters.
Speaker 3: I think it's the Amish. Why don't they pay taxes?
Speaker 4: Thank you, Maddie Ice. Yes, absolutely, Why aren't the Amish
Speaker 4: being talked about in such ways they should be?
Speaker 2: I don't have anything negative to say about the Amish personally,
Speaker 2: they're they're very kind people.
Speaker 3: They don't smell very good most of the time.
Speaker 4: They don't smell good. They're inbred as fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So their own religious views, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: You could say that about anybody who's religious. I mean,
Speaker 2: all religious people are hypocrites in one way or another.
Speaker 2: I mean, at a certain point, it's splitting hairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at that point, I'm really throwing rocks in a glasshouse.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 4: But it's not like the Amish. You're ever gonna hear
Speaker 4: us say this anyway. It's okay.
Speaker 3: Well, when they riding cars with their English friends.
Speaker 4: Are they allowed to ride in cars?
Speaker 3: I thought that there's guys in Lancaster that they bought
Speaker 3: like they will go out and buy a van just
Speaker 3: so they can take homage people like in their families,
Speaker 3: around places like an uber for Amish people.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Well, okay to any Homish that if there
Speaker 4: is one of these Homish taxi drivers that just so
Speaker 4: happens to be a cult memory and just so happens
Speaker 4: to be letting them listen to us. Just know we
Speaker 4: got our eyes on you, Amish. Everybody can catch these
Speaker 4: jokes one hundred percent. Use the Amish, Halt and the
Speaker 4: Mountain Jews, the Mormons too. Everybody can catch these jokes.
Speaker 2: Also, grow out your damn mustache, dude, I mean, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 4: That's so God it's a weird choice of facial hair construction.
Speaker 3: Why they just want to be different, I guess.
Speaker 4: But then you can't even grow a beard until you
Speaker 4: get married. That's a whole other stigma with them. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well it's probably because they don't want to prick their
Speaker 2: sister cousin.
Speaker 4: Ah See, everybody can get these jokes, dude.
Speaker 2: Uh anyway, all right, off of the Amish and the
Speaker 2: Jews and the Gypsies and everybody else.
Speaker 4: For some reason, tell me more about Sarah Connor and
Speaker 4: how Jack was connected to this dude.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you got to think about what we know
Speaker 3: about Jack, which isn't much. He's an American overseas that
Speaker 3: was not supposed to be on the Titanic until he
Speaker 3: won his ticket in a poker game. So he dambles
Speaker 3: and wins and gets a spot. What what what's the
Speaker 3: one thing we know about time travelers? They play the lottery,
Speaker 3: they gamble, they know who's gonna win. What if you
Speaker 3: know one on a horse race? So he gambles, gets
Speaker 3: his ticket. Then when he's running, he's got a knapsack
Speaker 3: from the Swiss Army that didn't come out until the
Speaker 3: nineteen forties, and that was what nineteen Now when did
Speaker 3: that nineteen oh nine Titanic? Whatever? Also has knowledge of
Speaker 3: a man made lake in Michigan that wasn't around until
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties. He also had a knowledge of a
Speaker 3: ferris wheel in Coney Island, which didn't exist yet. He
Speaker 3: had knowledge of another thing in California that he didn't
Speaker 3: exist yet. And the theory goes that you can track
Speaker 3: Sarah Connor's parents, like her mom died inineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: Her dad was a war veteran that had PTSD and
Speaker 3: died in the seventies. If you track her mom back,
Speaker 3: you can get to Rose's kids, which he had. It
Speaker 3: just says that she pushed out a couple of kids,
Speaker 3: one being a son and two daughters. One of her
Speaker 3: daughters could have been Sarah Connor's mom because of the
Speaker 3: area of the of where she grew up and where
Speaker 3: Rose was supposedly living.
Speaker 4: How do we know that about Sarah Connor's dad? Did
Speaker 4: she mention that in the first Terminator movie?
Speaker 3: No, she mentioned they don't talk about him, and there's
Speaker 3: not much known about him because she died. He died
Speaker 3: when she was a child. And I think it's Terminator
Speaker 3: four where she says that he had PTSD and was
Speaker 3: a veteran Vietnam.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait, old on Now, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: think Terminator four is when she said, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Terminator Salvation or Terminator Genesis.
Speaker 4: Maybe might have been Genesis.
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's like sixty of them.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, they that's another franchise that they could have
Speaker 4: just stopped and it would have been etched in history
Speaker 4: as just one of the greatest. But they had to
Speaker 4: keep beating the dead horse until there was not another
Speaker 4: penny they could draw out of it.
Speaker 3: All they needed was one and two.
Speaker 4: Agreed that was enough, one and two and then salvation
Speaker 4: was one with the female terminators. Right, Yeah, I will
Speaker 4: give a little bit of leeway to that one. I
Speaker 4: don't think it was needed. The saga was excellent without it,
Speaker 4: but it didn't detract from the original storyline they I
Speaker 4: don't think it needed to be a female terminator. Not
Speaker 4: that I'm like trying to be a chauvinist about it,
Speaker 4: but I feel like that kind of it didn't help
Speaker 4: the story plot at all.
Speaker 3: As long as we're talking about sagas, Star Wars is
Speaker 3: just a training program within the matrix. It's this is
Speaker 3: a theory that is goes off the smallest little bit
Speaker 3: of information. But the guy that played Mouse in the
Speaker 3: original Matrix and he programmed the woman in the red
Speaker 3: dress in the original Matrix. In one of the newer
Speaker 3: Star Wars movies, he comes up to one of the
Speaker 3: main characters at a like a canteena like the you
Speaker 3: know where all the weirdos are, and says something to
Speaker 3: him about bartering. And then the guy walks through the
Speaker 3: bar and they pan through and there's a woman that
Speaker 3: pops out at him and like catches his eye and
Speaker 3: smiles at him. That is the same woman that played
Speaker 3: the woman in the Red Dress. What so we have
Speaker 3: both of those actors in both movies doing the exact
Speaker 3: same thing. So is it possible that the Star Wars
Speaker 3: is just a training program within the matrix that they
Speaker 3: put people in to to get them used to seeing
Speaker 3: through the matrix by using the force.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're trying to manipulate the matrix, you would.
Speaker 3: John Wick is also just a training program within the matrix.
Speaker 4: Wait what? Okay, hold the fuck on now, hold on
Speaker 4: all right? Are you saying because Neo learned kung fu
Speaker 4: so quickly that he also downloaded a couple of weapons
Speaker 4: programs and then.
Speaker 3: Wait, you see him do the weapons programs and he's like,
Speaker 3: I can fly a helicopter now, like he does it
Speaker 3: a bunch of times. Who's to say that those training
Speaker 3: programs that are like seven seconds aren't an entire life
Speaker 3: because your dream sequence is your rem sleep only lasts
Speaker 3: for a few seconds, right, So you could do the
Speaker 3: whole john Wick series learn how to expertly use a
Speaker 3: firearm and with a keto and and you know everything
Speaker 3: else that he does with tearan tactical, which is cool, yeah,
Speaker 3: but within like a few seconds. But they're like to
Speaker 3: keep your brain entertained. It can't just shove a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of information in there. It has to relate to something.
Speaker 3: So who's to say all these training programs aren't just stories. Fuck,
Speaker 3: So they basically show them a movie and you're the
Speaker 3: character in the movie. The person in the movie has
Speaker 3: all of the training, all of the knowledge, and all
Speaker 3: of the know how and just goes through this sequence
Speaker 3: of a story. Makes it relatable in your brain, So
Speaker 3: now your movements can actually do it in real life
Speaker 3: muscle memory.
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe that this is all a fucking
Speaker 2: big dream anyway, and it's pretty relatable to what some
Speaker 2: may deem a matrix. And if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like just looking into the movie verse, if it does
Speaker 2: seem that just hypothetically here, if Keanu Reeves is all
Speaker 2: of these characters in the Matrix, right, he's Tyler Falco,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like he's fucking John Wick,
Speaker 2: He's he's a neo and and everybody else, Like it
Speaker 2: almost seems like he's leveling up each time in a sense, right, like,
Speaker 2: and and how do you max out? Is there ever
Speaker 2: any kind of maxing out with your ability once you
Speaker 2: once you reach is there even a top that you
Speaker 2: can that you can master or are there just gonna
Speaker 2: be harder courses for you to learn and harder trainings
Speaker 2: and different things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you might be onto something here, because I mean,
Speaker 4: all right, I understand we're talking about the movie verse
Speaker 4: versus the real world. Yes, but but bear with me here.
Speaker 4: Look at Keanu Reeves. Okay, he started out with Old
Speaker 4: Bill and Ted right excellent adventure, and he's a super
Speaker 4: stoner cut too, he's playing Johnny Utah right in point Break,
Speaker 4: where he is a cop who also was a quarterback
Speaker 4: at one point. Next thing, you know, he's playing Footsteps
Speaker 4: or but in that movie he also had to act
Speaker 4: like a stoner surfer. Dudes, that's the Bill and Ted
Speaker 4: connection into that. Right cut too, he's in Speed as
Speaker 4: a full on cop doing tactical kind of shit, saving
Speaker 4: Sandra Bullet's faunas all the things. Then cut two, he's
Speaker 4: Footsteps Falco straight up doing the quarterback thing. And yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: all right, I'm seeing threads on the courtboard, for sure.
Speaker 2: I think you messed up. Did you mean to say
Speaker 2: Mandra Mandra Bullock?
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's Sandra Bullock a dude. Now, probably Jesse
Speaker 4: James was married to her and then left her for
Speaker 4: cat Von d you're telling me that Jesse James sucks, dick.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say that. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of gay couples out there that you know, wants the
Speaker 2: girl wants the guy. You know, there's always some kind
Speaker 2: of charade to play, not say not to say that
Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with that by any mean, Oh god,
Speaker 2: my crone. Yeah, that's a full on dude.
Speaker 4: He was married to a whole woman. This woman that
Speaker 4: he's married to now was his mistress, his official, publicly
Speaker 4: understood mistress, and then he left his wife for her.
Speaker 4: Now it's understood that that's a dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, what nineteen years his senior.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she looks it And I'm so tired of
Speaker 4: people trying to make it seem like she is some
Speaker 4: sort of gorgeous woman. She's not just like Michelle Obama.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They said the same thing about Big Mind Zone.
Speaker 3: Man, Like, I'm not gonna insult anybody or look down
Speaker 3: on anybody's life choices. But there's why if you hide it,
Speaker 3: that means you have something to hide. If you're ashamed
Speaker 3: of it, then there's something wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know who. We don't have to think about
Speaker 4: that with our current first lady. She did a whole
Speaker 4: playboy spread. We know, damn good and well what parts
Speaker 4: are where on that one? But also I've heard another
Speaker 4: theory here that recently she uh, I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: she's come forward with this or not, but there's a
Speaker 4: theory to say that she was trafficked at one point
Speaker 4: in time, like the reason.
Speaker 3: Also a theory that she's Princess Diana.
Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't heard that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't it doesn't hold water. But the
Speaker 3: theory is that she's Princess Diana and barn is actually
Speaker 3: JFK Junior and Princess Diana's lovedown. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing.
Speaker 2: Now, I did I did hear something regarding Milanya as
Speaker 2: what remember we we stumbled across this a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago about Milanya being like the Princess of Russia
Speaker 2: or some kind of shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah there, Yeah, there's there's some stuff that none that
Speaker 3: you can track her whole life back, and I don't
Speaker 3: think any of that holds water. I mean, you can
Speaker 3: fabricate history and make stuff up, but it goes both ways.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it doesn't really matter to me.
Speaker 4: No, but I mean, so the story about her being
Speaker 4: trafficked at one point in time when she was younger, right,
Speaker 4: she's from one of these uh far Eastern European slash
Speaker 4: Baltic slash Russian countries. She may have been trafficked as
Speaker 4: a child or as a young you know, as a
Speaker 4: teenage d're a young young adult makes it to America,
Speaker 4: breaks away from all of this, gets into the position
Speaker 4: that she's in. Long story short, she married Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and if you look at the moves that he has
Speaker 4: been making in the realm of stopping human trafficking, to
Speaker 4: which he didn't care before he was married to Milania
Speaker 4: about that as a whole like he was he wasn't
Speaker 4: like super tight with Jeffrey Epstein, but he like wished
Speaker 4: Julane Maxwell, you know, wished her well. So that's a
Speaker 4: whole thing. After it was understood and she admitted to
Speaker 4: all these things, he's like, well, you know, I wish
Speaker 4: her well. You know, I hope all this comes a
Speaker 4: light blah blah blah. And the rumor is that Milania
Speaker 4: has been whispering in his ear that like, hey, this
Speaker 4: is serious. I was a victim of this. We need
Speaker 4: to put a stop to acknowledg you're in this position
Speaker 4: and that's why he's taken it to this level. Hypothetically,
Speaker 4: there's it's not a confirm. There's only a few threads
Speaker 4: on the court board on this one, but it's at
Speaker 4: least applausible chain of events, right. I'm not sure if
Speaker 4: her entire chain of custody from the time she was
Speaker 4: born to now, but that's that's what I've heard, is rumors,
Speaker 4: if you will, on the internet sphere.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that's getting me about the whole I
Speaker 3: don't know everybody now becoming interested in conspiracies is everybody's
Speaker 3: got their own belief structure now in conspiracies, which isn't
Speaker 3: what it's about. Like, stay open to possibilities. Don't just
Speaker 3: argue that you're right no matter what, like be like, hey,
Speaker 3: that's not what I think. But why is it that
Speaker 3: you think that maybe maybe I can add stuff to
Speaker 3: my you know, theory about what's going on? Rather than
Speaker 3: just be like, no, you're dub The Nazis have a
Speaker 3: base on margin. It's on the dark shide of the moon,
Speaker 3: and it's a bit of cheese, and that's where we
Speaker 3: get all of the goldfish from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is is kind of a big ish
Speaker 2: problem within the conspiracy realm, is that there are certain
Speaker 2: people who I get it, you know, we're when when
Speaker 2: we're looking into conspiracies, we're looking for the truth possibly,
Speaker 2: But the idea around looking into conspiracies and comparing them
Speaker 2: against what the main narrative is is to keep your
Speaker 2: third eye all the way open. That doesn't necessarily blindly believe.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't blindly believe every single conspiracy you know that
Speaker 2: that you hear, just because at a certain point it
Speaker 2: becomes more of a cult, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: It becomes a following. And we didn't we didn't create
Speaker 2: this for followers. This is why we always say we're
Speaker 2: not we're not cult leaders by any means. We are
Speaker 2: cult members.
Speaker 3: And because on as as a member make more money as.
Speaker 2: A leader, Yes, yes, absolutely, And so that's kind of
Speaker 2: the thing is is that you'll get a lot of
Speaker 2: hardcore end quotes conspiracy theorists who are really just trying
Speaker 2: to say they're they're they're hitching their their wagon to
Speaker 2: a theory and making it kind of be their own
Speaker 2: truth in order to push what their beliefs are in
Speaker 2: a way. And to be honest, that's where like a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of flat earthers, they get real
Speaker 2: agitated if you disagree with them about something. A lot
Speaker 2: of you know, even a lot of the biblical stuff
Speaker 2: that's conspiratorial. I'm not saying that none of it's true.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, you know, it's it's one of
Speaker 2: those things to where if you don't believe, then you're
Speaker 2: not even a true Christian anymore. We how many times
Speaker 2: you heard that, Jacob.
Speaker 4: Oh God, I'm tired of having that conversation. To be
Speaker 4: honest with you, it's like the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: I just saw recently this debate between like a Catholic
Speaker 4: and a Protestant about which one is a true Christian.
Speaker 4: Oddly enough, the Catholic was way more of a staunch
Speaker 4: if you're not dot dot dot and if you don't
Speaker 4: believe this, this, and this, then like you're not a Christian.
Speaker 4: And this person's like so if I don't believe in transubstantiation,
Speaker 4: can I still go to heaven? Like just making sure here,
Speaker 4: Like let's draw that line. Well ah, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: to shut up, dude, stop, you're missing the point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it was. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 2: that the Bible was not created so that you can
Speaker 2: go around judging everybody for not following it. It's for
Speaker 2: you to learn from that's and if you want to
Speaker 2: be able to spread the good word to those that
Speaker 2: you love and all that, then there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 2: But as soon as you start judging others, as soon
Speaker 2: as you come up on some information, like bro, I
Speaker 2: guarantee you you don't even know half of the Bible.
Speaker 2: You know how many people are claiming to be like
Speaker 2: you know, I do this because of God, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm judging you because of my religion, and then they
Speaker 2: haven't read even the majority of it. It's like, you
Speaker 2: don't even know what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 3: World. You should be in the world, not of the world,
Speaker 3: which means basically, believe what you believe and live your
Speaker 3: life to your moral Christian code and what God's will
Speaker 3: would have you to do. But don't be of the
Speaker 3: world and don't let them affect you and bring you
Speaker 3: into what they're into. But also remove the beam from
Speaker 3: your own eye before you remove the splinter from mine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh dude, that's another the flat earth movement, the
Speaker 4: flat earth Christian movement, I should say, And I do
Speaker 4: love Josh Monday, who is a Christian flat earther. We
Speaker 4: have him on our show. We absolutely love him to death.
Speaker 4: But like, and he's not one of these types at all.
Speaker 4: He's a genuinely amazing human being. But there have been
Speaker 4: quite a few of them there, like how are you
Speaker 4: a Christian but don't believe in flat How can you
Speaker 4: call yourself a Christian and you don't believe in the
Speaker 4: flat Earth? And it's like, wait, what, dude, I feel
Speaker 4: like I feel like you might have missed a few
Speaker 4: lines of that book, bro, But all right, that's that's
Speaker 4: that's a stance.
Speaker 3: Well, do you know what Jesus's middle name is?
Speaker 4: Uh? H?
Speaker 3: Isn't it Howard?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Is it? Really? Like?
Speaker 2: Actually Howard?
Speaker 3: Howard be thy name?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like our national anthem was written about a Spanish guy
Speaker 4: the whole time? And you see, right, and we know
Speaker 4: that God's a baseball fan above anything else, says it
Speaker 4: first sentence of the of the Bible in the Big inning.
Speaker 4: Come on now, yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, all right, let's get back to this. Uh,
Speaker 2: let's try and solve this, uh this equation you got
Speaker 2: working over there?
Speaker 3: Old on, you just said the star spangled banner. What
Speaker 3: about the Mountain dew conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've touched on it quite a bit, especially now Splash.
Speaker 3: Came out right when Francis Scott key Bridge.
Speaker 2: Went down, well, and now they came out with what
Speaker 2: was it like, Baja midnight? Yeah, dude, wait.
Speaker 3: They announced it the same week that they took another
Speaker 3: second off of the doomsday clock.
Speaker 4: And didn't they just have a massive earthquake in Baja?
Speaker 2: Was there?
Speaker 4: I don't know, Malibu, Okay, I might be getting confused here.
Speaker 4: I know the West Coast just experienced like a six
Speaker 4: point three or some shit horrible earthquake. If not mistaken,
Speaker 4: it happened to hit in the middle of the night.
Speaker 4: So we might be on some other shit here, because
Speaker 4: isn't that on the Baja fault line?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, Baja's California, But Maha also means low or something.
Speaker 2: It's a three point nine magnitude earthquake strikes Malibu area.
Speaker 4: I was way off, all right, never mind never mine.
Speaker 2: Well, oh but it does say wait where was that?
Speaker 2: Oh it is Malibu? I'm tripping, all right. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I think that it doesn't necessarily already had to
Speaker 2: have come and passed. You know, it could be something
Speaker 2: that is on the forefront.
Speaker 3: Especially just on Netflix.
Speaker 2: And yeah, there's a lot of weird shit really going down.
Speaker 2: But I just think, like, you know, you think about
Speaker 2: the mass amount of people that are leaving California. Could
Speaker 2: it be some kind of weird premonition that all these
Speaker 2: people are getting. Yes, I know, the politics are absolutely
Speaker 2: fucked over there, and taxes and property is super high
Speaker 2: and everything over there.
Speaker 3: But could burn down?
Speaker 2: Everything burning down? Yeah, dude, it's crazy. But could that
Speaker 2: be some kind of a precursor of you know how
Speaker 2: like whenever there's a fire in the in the forest somewhere,
Speaker 2: all the animals start flocking in one direction. It almost
Speaker 2: makes me think, like, all right, all of the people,
Speaker 2: a lot, not all of them, A lot of people
Speaker 2: are leaving California because of all those things. But could
Speaker 2: it be like a sign of something that's possibly to come.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: So if there is going to be some kind of
Speaker 2: massive earthquake in California breaks off and goes out into
Speaker 2: the middle of the ocean and it gets some or
Speaker 2: something like that, then I don't know, I mean that
Speaker 2: that might be some kind of Baja Midnight action.
Speaker 3: I think my opinion is that Midnight would have something
Speaker 3: more to do with darkness and like the grid going
Speaker 3: down or an emp emf or something of that nature.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Probably.
Speaker 4: Not Gavin Newsom's new podcast. Maybe that's what the Darkness
Speaker 4: is talking about and Darkness the Land.
Speaker 3: I didn't know he had a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has one with fucking Marshawn Lynch, which is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Not that it's not entertaining, it's just hilarious that Gavin
Speaker 2: Newsom thinks that he's gonna make himself look like more
Speaker 2: of a human by bringing in Marshawn Lynch.
Speaker 4: It's crazy that he thought that would be a good
Speaker 4: move for him, Like, not just the Marshaw Lynch thing.
Speaker 4: I get it, fine, you want to bring in a
Speaker 4: likable character that everybody kind of thinks is funny and whatever,
Speaker 4: but like, you know, the entire state really fucking hates
Speaker 4: you right now. The entire country does not fuck with
Speaker 4: you right now. And somehow, deep deep within his mind,
Speaker 4: he's thinking, while he's still a sitting governor, it's not
Speaker 4: like this is his retirement plan and it's all good.
Speaker 4: He thought that right now, what this country needs, right
Speaker 4: what would help my image so much, is to start
Speaker 4: a podcast and bring on Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon
Speaker 4: and other like heavy hitters who will dog walk him
Speaker 4: the entire time, and that that's going to save his image.
Speaker 4: It's like, bro that it's a bold strategy, Cotton, Let's
Speaker 4: see if it works out for him, And no, it
Speaker 4: has backfired so beautifully it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love seeing the absolute downfall that is going
Speaker 2: on with Gavin Newsom. And to be honest, it's long overdue.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, why doesn't Perry try to start a pod?
Speaker 4: It would be instantly successful, right. Why does an old
Speaker 4: Barack Obama get a my and just start a podcast?
Speaker 4: And I guarantee he would make jillions and good jillions
Speaker 4: of dollars in AD revenue just to talk.
Speaker 3: Isn't Big Mic already starting a podcast?
Speaker 4: Oh god, I'm sure, especially now that they've divorced and
Speaker 4: they're separated and whatever. I'm sure big Mike has a
Speaker 4: lot more time on his hands, they say, his big,
Speaker 4: massive hands.
Speaker 2: Yep, the opposite of Donnie's.
Speaker 4: The opposite of Donnie's and g dude, I just saw
Speaker 4: a picture of Jija ping. Have you seen the size
Speaker 4: of Panda's hands? I have not tiny they they look
Speaker 4: like three year old hands. Like it's it's impossibly embarrassing.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that is the leader of the Great China
Speaker 4: has hands that could fit inside the palm of mine.
Speaker 4: It's embarrassing, dude. And his fingers are all stubby looking
Speaker 4: like the King of England. How he's got those weird, stubby,
Speaker 4: fucking sausage fingers. He's like that, dude, it's insane.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Did you notice man's hands?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't.
Speaker 2: That's not necessarily the first thing I look for. Even
Speaker 2: whenever people were saying that Trump had tiny hands, I
Speaker 2: was like, I mean, is that really something that notice?
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe, per proportion, his hands are smaller than
Speaker 4: what you would expect a guy to six or five
Speaker 4: to have, but it's not like it's not as much
Speaker 4: the caricature that they've made it out to be you know,
Speaker 4: not by any means, but yeah, and I didn't even
Speaker 4: notice G until I literally was just watching a video.
Speaker 4: Apparently China and Russia are on the outs now, which
Speaker 4: they've been homies. That's one of the only reasons why
Speaker 4: Russia has been able to maintain any kind of economy
Speaker 4: is because China and India that were buying their oil
Speaker 4: and things, which is cool, that's fine, But apparently China
Speaker 4: and Russia are like getting ready to like get after it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's gonna be in all out
Speaker 4: warfare economically or what, but the power of the USD
Speaker 4: has finally come through and now that the sanctions have
Speaker 4: gone to a certain level. I don't want to get
Speaker 4: you a political here. Long story short, there was a
Speaker 4: picture of G and he was like adjusting a microphone
Speaker 4: and it was a regular sized microphone, and I thought
Speaker 4: it was like an assistant that was like under his
Speaker 4: desk that was moving the microphone forum because it was
Speaker 4: so small, and I was like, oh, no, oh, that's
Speaker 4: his hands, Like damn dude. But yeah, anyway, anyway.
Speaker 2: So I was actually looking a little bit more into
Speaker 2: that whole Milania Trump being a princess to Russia or
Speaker 2: something like that. And you know, for years they have
Speaker 2: always said that Trump has had Russian ties, right, the
Speaker 2: truth that the Russians are the ones that rig the election,
Speaker 2: and that he's somehow favored Russia more than anybody else.
Speaker 2: And so I found a story here. There's actually a
Speaker 2: book that was written of this guy saying that there's
Speaker 2: an x KGB spy that says that Russia cultivated Trump
Speaker 2: as an asset for forty years.
Speaker 3: You heard of that for forty years.
Speaker 2: That's what it said. I can actually show what enough
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 4: I mean, so while he was making deals with the
Speaker 4: mob to make like building and high rise things happened
Speaker 4: in New York City, it was the Russians that were
Speaker 4: pulling the strings.
Speaker 2: Sleep or sell possibly. It says, oh, this is actually
Speaker 2: on Snopes, but it's talking about a story that somebody mentioned.
Speaker 2: And I don't use Snopes as like a fact checker
Speaker 2: like some people do. It's more so like, all right,
Speaker 2: what is the narrative that somebody's trying to say. And
Speaker 2: then I don't even really care about reading what Snow's
Speaker 2: reaction is. But it says the idea that former US
Speaker 2: President Donald Trump was somehow compromised by the Russian government
Speaker 2: is not a new one. His single term was clouded
Speaker 2: by the fact that US intelligence agencies concluded that the
Speaker 2: Russian government interfered in the twenty sixteen presidential campaign in
Speaker 2: an effort to help Trump win. These accusations got new
Speaker 2: legs with the January twenty sixth, twenty twenty one publication
Speaker 2: of the book called American Compromat by journalist Craig Unger.
Speaker 2: In the book, Unger cites EXKGB officer Yuri Chevets in
Speaker 2: making the case that Trump's relationship with the Russian government
Speaker 2: started decades before he became president. Chavetts spoke to The
Speaker 2: Guardian in an interview published on January twenty ninth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, and made a number of allegations stemming from
Speaker 2: his time working for the KGB, the Russian intelligence agency
Speaker 2: under what was then the Soviet Union, including that Russian
Speaker 2: intelligence gained an interest in Trump as far back as
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven, viewing Trump as an exploitable target. The
Speaker 2: feeling in this is his quote. The feeling was that
Speaker 2: he was extremely vulnerable intellectually and psychologically, and he was
Speaker 2: prone to flattery. Makes sense around the first time Trump
Speaker 2: considered running for president. In nineteen eighty seven, and after
Speaker 2: visiting Moscow with his first wife, Evana, he purchased full
Speaker 2: page ads in The New York Times, the Washington Post,
Speaker 2: and The Boston Globe expressing perspective similar to the ones
Speaker 2: he later espoused while president, namely disparaging key US alliances
Speaker 2: aimed at holding Russian geopolitical power in check. Whoa, it says, So,
Speaker 2: I mean, anything's possible. Nothing would surprise me, Like.
Speaker 3: He seems like you would be too hard to control
Speaker 3: as an.
Speaker 2: Asset, unless he wants you to think that.
Speaker 4: So I looked up Craig Unger. He was at one
Speaker 4: point a deputy editor of The New York Observer. He
Speaker 4: was editor in chief of Boston Magazine. He was born
Speaker 4: in Dallas. He graduated from Harvard. But if you look
Speaker 4: at some of the books that he's written, let's see,
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty eight he wrote a book called Blue
Speaker 4: Blood two thousand and seven, The Fall of the House
Speaker 4: of Bush twenty eighteen, Trump in the House of Putin
Speaker 4: twenty one one American Compromad. How the KGB this one
Speaker 4: you're talking about here? Twenty twenty four, Din of spies,
Speaker 4: the untold story of Reagan two thousand and four, House
Speaker 4: of Bush, and the House of saud as in like
Speaker 4: Saudi Arabia. So this man has made a career out
Speaker 4: of talking shit of Republican politicians.
Speaker 2: Checks out well, just to go on with it, it says.
Speaker 2: Throughout his presidency and multiple US government led investigations into
Speaker 2: the subject, Trump denied allegations of involvement with the Kremlin.
Speaker 2: He said, no collusion, no obstruction, total exoneration, Democrat witch hunt,
Speaker 2: he tweeted in July of twenty nineteen. Nevertheless, such accusations
Speaker 2: can continue to circulate, in part due to Trump's own
Speaker 2: actions in his last day in office, which included downplaying
Speaker 2: or even contradicting his own administration's revelations that Russia was
Speaker 2: the likely culprit behind a major hack of a US
Speaker 2: government agency computer system. Also, Trump's comments from the past
Speaker 2: prompted wide speculation about his relationship with Russia, including boastful
Speaker 2: comments in which Trump appeared to be laboring under the
Speaker 2: impression that Russian President Vladimir Putin had taken favorable notice
Speaker 2: of him. In twenty thirteen, before he was president, Trump
Speaker 2: was asked by an MSNBC journalist while in Moscow for
Speaker 2: the Miss Universe pageant whether he had a relationship with Putin,
Speaker 2: and Trump stated this, I do have a relationship, and
Speaker 2: I can tell you that he's very interested in what
Speaker 2: we're doing here today. He's probably very interested in what
Speaker 2: you and I are saying today, and I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: going to be seeing it in some form. When he
Speaker 2: traveled to Helenski or Helsinki rather to personally meet Putin
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen, Trump sided with the Russian president, who
Speaker 2: denied Russia had interfered in the twenty sixteen presidential election,
Speaker 2: against American intelligence agencies that had concluded the Kremlin had
Speaker 2: done so in an effort to help Trump win. So, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a book review, it says. In a book review
Speaker 2: about the American Compromat, John Seipher, a retired member of
Speaker 2: the CIA's Clandestine Services, concluded that the book doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: reveal anything that was previously unknown about Trump, who has
Speaker 2: long been a public figure in whose activities have been
Speaker 2: widely covered for years. It reminds us that there is
Speaker 2: still much left to learn. Cipher roade. Okay, well, what
Speaker 2: do you think about that? Like, do you think that
Speaker 2: Trump like third eye all the way open. Anything's possible,
Speaker 2: nothing is set in stone. Would it really be that
Speaker 2: crazy if if Trump was working with Russia?
Speaker 4: Crazy?
Speaker 3: No? Like no, in my mind, I don't have a
Speaker 3: super high opinion of them. But he's too much of
Speaker 3: a narcissist to not be the top dog and let
Speaker 3: somebody else be the top dog. Like so in that matchup,
Speaker 3: it's saying that basically Putin is the top dog, is
Speaker 3: in charge of Trump, and I don't think he would
Speaker 3: allow that for a long period of time. They might
Speaker 3: want to take him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But at the same time, what they were saying
Speaker 2: was is that basically all you had to do was
Speaker 2: stroke his ego, right, which is it's not that crazy.
Speaker 3: To be easy to manipulate in that sense. I don't
Speaker 3: see it above, you know, being above suspicion.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, then, Matt. If we
Speaker 2: did find out that Trump was anyway affiliated with Russia
Speaker 2: more than what we already know, which seems to be
Speaker 2: barely anything from what he says, how would that play
Speaker 2: differently into what you got on your wall back there.
Speaker 2: Would it do anything to it? Would it add or
Speaker 2: take away anything you.
Speaker 3: Think well, parent Trump's marvelous underground journey, he goes to
Speaker 3: Russia to find the portal.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 3: So he did go to Russia in twenty seventeen to
Speaker 3: give him that soccer ball. There was that, So he
Speaker 3: did go to Moscow well, and people.
Speaker 2: Were saying to Moscow, Oh yeah, I think so. But
Speaker 2: also people were saying that because oh shit, I just remembered.
Speaker 2: So essentially the idea of Putin handing the soccer ball
Speaker 2: over to Trump was like the ball is in your
Speaker 2: court kind of symbolism. Now from what from what I
Speaker 2: understood from that, And so maybe there's something right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why you would passed.
Speaker 3: Symbolic, but there might be something inside the soccer ball.
Speaker 3: There might be some sort of technology that we don't
Speaker 3: even know about going on for spying or codes or whatever.
Speaker 3: Believe what is it? Believe half of what you hear
Speaker 3: and none of what you see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's something other people were also
Speaker 2: saying too as far as the soccer ball went, because
Speaker 2: it seems to have the same like like gesture. Supposedly,
Speaker 2: adrenochrome has the same kind of chemical makeup as what
Speaker 2: a soccer ball looks like.
Speaker 3: Like the red and white things when they took the picture. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: chemical makeup of it. I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a Q thing. I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could see it having a symbolic reference for sure.
Speaker 4: But I just I don't really believe that Russia has
Speaker 4: some sort of tech that we don't have, like, not
Speaker 4: even by a little bit. They for instance, they've been
Speaker 4: saying for forever they have hypersonic missiles. By their definition
Speaker 4: of a hypersonic missile, we've had one since nineteen forty eight.
Speaker 4: The V two rocket hits mock five upon launch. Anything
Speaker 4: over mock five they call a hypersonic. That's not what
Speaker 4: America classifies as hypersonic.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And then to further the point I was making about
Speaker 4: China and Russia, China is now selling drone parts to Ukraine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: which goes against their homeboys Russia because Putin and g
Speaker 4: are so tight and all these things. Even though China
Speaker 4: and the reason why they're doing this isn't necessarily for
Speaker 4: the almighty dollar. Ukraine doesn't have more money than Russia
Speaker 4: by any means. China sees Ukraine as being more technologically
Speaker 4: advanced with drones than Russia. And that's just the basics
Speaker 4: of technology these days there as far as cutting edge
Speaker 4: technology goes. I just I don't know about the soccer
Speaker 4: ball maybe having some sort of tech inside of it.
Speaker 4: I could see it being a symbolic gesture. I could
Speaker 4: see it having possibly some sort of like state secrets.
Speaker 2: I found it. I found it. This is from Business
Speaker 2: Insider dot com. It says it turns out the soccer
Speaker 2: ball Putin gifted to Trump really does have a transmitter
Speaker 2: chip inside.
Speaker 4: A transmitter chip like or like a microphone. What were we
Speaker 4: talking about her?
Speaker 2: Well, it says the red and white soccer ball Russian
Speaker 2: President Vladimir Putin tossed to US President Donald Trump last
Speaker 2: week in Helsinki after the Russian the Russia hosted World Cup,
Speaker 2: had a trans minterschip in it. But unfortunately for all
Speaker 2: the would be spooks and speculators online, the White House
Speaker 2: is not alarmed by the by this discovery. Director of
Speaker 2: the National Intelligence Dan Coach told a security conference he
Speaker 2: was sure the ball had been looked at very carefully.
Speaker 2: There's a good reason for caution. Russia has a colorful
Speaker 2: history of gathering US secrets going back more than one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years in ways that have surprised and
Speaker 2: impressed US security experts. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina said,
Speaker 2: if it were me, I'd checked a soccer ball for
Speaker 2: listening devices and never allowed in the White House. But
Speaker 2: sticking a transmitter in a soccer ball and handing it
Speaker 2: over to Trump is perhaps a bit too obvious. And besides,
Speaker 2: the Adidas AG ball already has one here under the
Speaker 2: Wi Fi symbol. Oh okay, you see it right there,
Speaker 2: it says. According to the Adida's website, the near field
Speaker 2: communication chip embedded under the logo is passive and can
Speaker 2: only send out information the device it interacts with, a
Speaker 2: mobile phone, for example, can both send and receive information.
Speaker 2: Users who swipe down activate the NFC and touch the
Speaker 2: ball with their phone receive functionalities like exclusive information about
Speaker 2: the product, Adida's football content, special competitions, and challenges, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't store information on how the ball is used,
Speaker 2: though the tag can be updated to add new features,
Speaker 2: So it's not that like, I guess what they're saying
Speaker 2: is is that, yeah, they were kind of right, but
Speaker 2: that's kind of just Adida's technology.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: It's weird. Though, that you'd hand over that ball, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like that ball, of all the
Speaker 2: balls you'd have, you'd hand over the ball with the
Speaker 2: chip inside of it. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I always thought it was a weird gesture.
Speaker 4: That is really strange, a soccer ball, like you know, oh,
Speaker 4: it's because the World Cup. But like Trump didn't care
Speaker 4: about the World Cup. Most people in America don't, like
Speaker 4: that's whatever. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But the people that do care about it, really care
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Oh, yes they do. Good God, that's like there's that's
Speaker 4: fighting words. To the rest of the world, or at
Speaker 4: least the countries that have a soccer team good enough
Speaker 4: to make it to the World Cup, they will like
Speaker 4: go to blows over that shit. Meanwhile in America were like,
Speaker 4: that's cool. Football seasons in a couple of months though,
Speaker 4: So that's good, you know the good We just see
Speaker 4: things differently here, you know, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is some strange shit that's going on
Speaker 2: with Trump and Putin though, like, yeah, the thing is
Speaker 2: is that you know, he's having conversations with Putin, and look,
Speaker 2: I'm not over here to just be like Devil's advocate
Speaker 2: or questioning the choices we made. I stick by my
Speaker 2: by my decisions that I that I voted for Trump
Speaker 2: three times. If he goes for a fourth off vote
Speaker 2: for the motherfucker, then too, I mean it would be
Speaker 2: illegal and probably a little unconstitutional. But but I have
Speaker 2: heard some people saying that well, Rump may have some
Speaker 2: kind of back door way of maintaining his presidency if they.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's still in play, but if
Speaker 3: they can prove that there was some sort of tampering
Speaker 3: with the twenty twenty election and it was stolen or whatever,
Speaker 3: he might be entitled to all of that term as well.
Speaker 3: But I don't know how that would. He already has
Speaker 3: two terms.
Speaker 2: Well, there's been multiple presidents that have gone over two
Speaker 2: terms before.
Speaker 3: Though, right, but not law not in that way.
Speaker 2: Well outlawed it. And this is where it gets strained, right,
Speaker 2: because then you're starting to go into you know how
Speaker 2: and I don't mean to bring up Q and on,
Speaker 2: although they've been right about a lot of shit, but
Speaker 2: you know they're about his right as flat earthers are
Speaker 2: not all the way, but you got some of it,
Speaker 2: you know. That's the way I like to look at it.
Speaker 2: But you know, whenever you're talking about the the Q
Speaker 2: and on conspiracy and the connection to all of that,
Speaker 2: some people will say, like, maybe he's the possible seventeenth
Speaker 2: constitutional president, or now maybe he would be the eighteenth
Speaker 2: because he was already the seventeenth. But basically that Joe
Speaker 2: Biden and Barack Obama and all of them were the
Speaker 2: where the corporate Yeah, the corporate presidents of the United States,
Speaker 2: and that Trump is the you know, actual constitutional president
Speaker 2: of the United States, and so maybe the outlaw of
Speaker 2: allowing him to become president again only applies to the
Speaker 2: corporate American president and not the constitutional American president.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I've been getting more into like
Speaker 3: the wu woof stuff rather than like trying to figure
Speaker 3: out geopolitical politics because it's it's all bullshit anyway into
Speaker 3: the actually.
Speaker 4: Grew what I said, but the woo woof shit ain't though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's fun fair, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the most fun. I got a whole podcast
Speaker 2: for that shit. But speaking of wu wou, sir, like,
Speaker 2: what are you what have you been most interested in?
Speaker 3: Uh? I want to find out if twen days are real,
Speaker 3: and if people are actually eating mermaids.
Speaker 4: Oh god, oh man. All right, So I went down
Speaker 4: that rabbit hole, and the only the earliest source that
Speaker 4: I could find for it was some out of shape
Speaker 4: white woman that was just saying that she heard a
Speaker 4: story from a guy who heard a story from a
Speaker 4: guy whose cousin's brother in law was on a fishing
Speaker 4: vessel who had never been on a fishing vessel before,
Speaker 4: and they caught some sort of creature. They had these
Speaker 4: big water tanks on it and that's for the big paydays,
Speaker 4: and they pulled up these nets, caught up thing that's
Speaker 4: not like a mermaid we see in the in the movies.
Speaker 4: Behind it means it's like a large, scaly, slimy creature
Speaker 4: and apparently the elites are eating them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, if that's true, why wouldn't I be able to, Like,
Speaker 3: if I try hard enough, why wouldn't I be able
Speaker 3: to find one and just club it over that? And like,
Speaker 3: I want to taste it. I don't have five hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, but I want to know what it tastes like.
Speaker 4: I don't like seafood that much, so, but that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Would it be fish or would it be turf? Would
Speaker 3: it be surf and turf, like all in the same dish.
Speaker 4: The ultimate surf and turf.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a little bit of cannibalism involved
Speaker 2: in that, And.
Speaker 3: Would it be like can you only eat the bottom half? Then?
Speaker 4: I mean, is it is it really?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not you know, I'm not a proponent of evolution.
Speaker 4: I think Charles Darwin was off as fucking meds, but like, okay,
Speaker 4: in that sense eating a primate, would that be some
Speaker 4: somewhat cannibalism for a human to eat a monkey? Would
Speaker 4: it be more cannibalistic for a human to eat a
Speaker 4: monkey than to eat a mermaid? Because humans are not
Speaker 4: aquatic creatures.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not trying to eat a fucking monkey.
Speaker 3: Iogenes said it wasn't always immoral to eat humans.
Speaker 4: I mean, unless it's a it's a you know, survival
Speaker 4: situation that it's kind of understood to be just how
Speaker 4: you do things, right, Donner Party.
Speaker 3: We're omni boards. We can eat whatever we want.
Speaker 4: Right, But I mean, I feel like, I mean, I
Speaker 4: see what you mean as far as it could be
Speaker 4: more of the realm of cannibalism. But I mean, would
Speaker 4: it not be more cannibalistic to eat a chimp. I mean,
Speaker 4: I personally would love to know what monkey meat taste. Like,
Speaker 4: I know, chill monkey brains is a dessert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say the monkey brains is a thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't really have a desire to eat monkeys because
Speaker 3: I think they're cool.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's like veal. I think cows are cool.
Speaker 4: But like you take a baby cow and you chain
Speaker 4: it to the ground to where it can never stand up.
Speaker 4: You let it get to a certain size and you
Speaker 4: slaughter it brutally and then serve it up on a plate.
Speaker 4: I fucking love veal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a cow and a monkey.
Speaker 3: That's cows are like big dogs.
Speaker 4: You say that. You say that, but look in India,
Speaker 4: where they eat chilled monkey brains. They revere cows as
Speaker 4: like a holy animal. So like it's about the culture,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'll eat any I'll try anything twice,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you gotta try it twice. Man, what a the
Speaker 4: first time was a fluke exactly? Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean that's how I feel about frog legs. It
Speaker 2: was discussing the first time and I'm a little tainted
Speaker 2: to try it again, but I'm open to it.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go frogging with my brother last night,
Speaker 4: but I couldn't because I had to shoot the cage tonight, right.
Speaker 4: But he called me up at like six thirty in
Speaker 4: the evenes like, what you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, got work, I got this, got this, dude,
Speaker 4: I'm going frogging. Season's about to end. You want to
Speaker 4: come with me? I'm like, dude, I would love to,
Speaker 4: but I can't. But yeah, I'm I'm gonna get you
Speaker 4: some frog legs cook the right way, Jonathan, and I
Speaker 4: promise it's gonna change your mind about it all.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm open to it.
Speaker 4: They're delicious.
Speaker 3: It's the texture.
Speaker 4: Is it the texture or the taste?
Speaker 3: I really I didn't mind the taste. It was just
Speaker 3: the texture of it, which probably means it wasn't done right.
Speaker 4: But are you.
Speaker 2: Frying them though? Is that how you do it?
Speaker 4: Jacob?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's the way I tried it, But it
Speaker 2: was like it was so weird. There was this, uh
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it, but it used
Speaker 2: to be this old store off of seventy three that
Speaker 2: sold them frozen, and so they were going out of business.
Speaker 2: And so my parents were like, oh, we had just
Speaker 2: moved to Louisiana. So we were like, oh, frog legs,
Speaker 2: We'll try.
Speaker 4: It and I'll baked them. Didn't you.
Speaker 2: Probably actually and baked them and have them be good?
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong, but in this even saying frying them, well,
Speaker 4: you got a fry to make them good? Yes, fair,
Speaker 4: But it depends on the batter, right, It depends on
Speaker 4: what is your ratio of flower to corn starch or
Speaker 4: corn meal she it'd say, or whatever the case is,
Speaker 4: what kind of seasonings are you putting in it? Otherwise
Speaker 4: you're just fucking yourself. So and I'm not gonna judge
Speaker 4: you on that one or your parents. Y'all are not
Speaker 4: from this area. So y'all have never been taught how
Speaker 4: to do certain types of food fried certain ways. There's
Speaker 4: a method to the madness here. I get this. So
Speaker 4: it's like squirrel sauce pecan? Have you ever had a
Speaker 4: squirrel sauce pecan?
Speaker 2: I don't think I've I don't think I've ever actually
Speaker 2: even eaten squirrel.
Speaker 4: See at my point, have you ever had a cornmock shoe?
Speaker 4: You fuck with cornmock shoe.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the fuck that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that is.
Speaker 4: It's it's delicious, it's look Cajunville is got the foods,
Speaker 4: all right. Yes, we understand Louisiana is suffering in a
Speaker 4: lot of regards, but the one thing that we really
Speaker 4: know how to do is make something that's not supposed
Speaker 4: to taste good taste really fucking good. You know, That's
Speaker 4: just what we do. So yeah, next time we get
Speaker 4: some frogs and also not frozen, dude, fresh is the
Speaker 4: best way.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it is. I mean, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: eat anything, it's always gonna be better fresh. But speaking
Speaker 2: of mermaid eating, I found a little article here. This
Speaker 2: is from the Daily dot dot com and it says
Speaker 2: I don't buy this. Whenever I first looked into it,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, somebody is trying to really get
Speaker 2: some clicks up in here. But you know what, we
Speaker 2: can read the story. We can see maybe it has
Speaker 2: a little bit of merit. It says our elites eating
Speaker 2: mermaids TikTok's wild new conspiracy theory explained. It says a
Speaker 2: particularly strange conspiracy theory that wealthy elites are holding mermaid
Speaker 2: eating dinner party events is leaking into TikTok feeds. In
Speaker 2: March of twenty twenty five, users began telling bizarre stories
Speaker 2: about people they claimed to know who worked to catch
Speaker 2: these fantastical creatures for culinary purposes, or about rich friends
Speaker 2: who were privileged enough to taste the fishy flesh. Mermaid
Speaker 2: folklore goes all the way back to ancient Greek myths
Speaker 2: about sirens changing from bird people to fish people over time.
Speaker 2: Stories about sailors and others spotting these creatures continued into
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, recently taking on a new and
Speaker 2: sinister twist. So some people say that the mermaid meat takes.
Speaker 2: It's sweet like scallops and rich like wagoo.
Speaker 4: Now that sounds delicious.
Speaker 3: But my thing is they never say where they got them,
Speaker 3: Like where are the mermaids? Like if you just just
Speaker 3: point me in.
Speaker 2: A direction, well you got to go second start of
Speaker 2: the writing straight on till morning to find those bad boys.
Speaker 3: That is accurate, right, it says.
Speaker 2: This month, multiple TikTokers have gone viral with stories about
Speaker 2: the capture and consumption of mermaids. Users often frame this
Speaker 2: practice as a clandestine culinary experience reserved for those who
Speaker 2: can pay huge sums of money for a single meal.
Speaker 2: Some have reported that diners experienced strange, supernatural effects from
Speaker 2: eating filay of Mermaid. What the Fuck? On March eleventh,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, this TikTok user, who claims to be
Speaker 2: the original source of these stories but isn't, posted a
Speaker 2: video saying that she got an email from someone who
Speaker 2: attended a Mermaid eating dinner party. According to a man
Speaker 2: she calls Jonah, get it, a ticket to the dinner
Speaker 2: cost him fifty grand and a limo took him to
Speaker 2: a secret location where the host wore a spooky mask.
Speaker 4: So what that lady looks like she would be the
Speaker 4: type to run a story about this, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Reddit threats no, I think that her higher self
Speaker 2: told her this.
Speaker 4: There you go exactly.
Speaker 2: I can make fun of my own people. It's okay.
Speaker 2: So what does Mermaid taste like?
Speaker 3: Says?
Speaker 2: The flavor was exquisite, unlike anything he'd ever known, sweet
Speaker 2: like scallops, rich like wagu, and with a depth of
Speaker 2: u umami mommy that seemed to awaken something deep in
Speaker 2: his senses. Jonah allegedly reported It's as if he was
Speaker 2: tasting the ocean itself, not just to it's bounty, but
Speaker 2: it's soul. What a way of describing these things. That's
Speaker 2: how you know it's full of shit whenever they get
Speaker 2: like so descriptive about it.
Speaker 4: But anyway, the ocean down to the soul. Look, I
Speaker 4: understand that, you know what. I was about to get
Speaker 4: real crude there for a minute.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go somewhere else. But the delicious taste wasn't
Speaker 2: all that he got out of the fifty thousand. He said,
Speaker 2: A warmth spread through my body. My heart beats slowed,
Speaker 2: my breath deepened around me. The other guests had closed
Speaker 2: their eyes, their faces soft with pleasure. He then describes
Speaker 2: a feeling like a low resonant hum, a vibration in
Speaker 2: my bones and my blood. Joanah went on to say
Speaker 2: that his mind was filled with visions of deep blue waters,
Speaker 2: endless and calm, filled with whispers, not words, but emotions, memories,
Speaker 2: as if the sea itself had opened to him, revealing
Speaker 2: its secrets. What the fuck people believe this bullshit?
Speaker 4: Oh? I was gonna say, God.
Speaker 3: Like, I would love to eat something that made my
Speaker 3: blood vibrate like, I think that sounds nice.
Speaker 4: It sounds nice, but also in a different context, this
Speaker 4: whole thing sounds like the first time your boy hired
Speaker 4: a hooker like that that also could very well just
Speaker 4: go that realm tasting the entire ocean down to my soul,
Speaker 4: A warmth filled my body.
Speaker 3: The problem, the problem with what you just said is
Speaker 3: the first time he does that, which implies that you've
Speaker 3: done it several times.
Speaker 4: I mean, oh myself, no, no, no, But I'm just saying,
Speaker 4: like the first time that somebody buys sex and it's
Speaker 4: from a professional, it's going to just open up the
Speaker 4: entire world to them. But it also smells like the
Speaker 4: entire ocean, like mmmm yeah for some Filipino horror more
Speaker 4: like more like the bay.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, it's uh, it is funny because it
Speaker 2: almost sounds like even God was in that bedroom with me.
Speaker 2: It's like, right, who invited him? I don't I don't
Speaker 2: want to go watching me while I'm doing these things
Speaker 2: in my wife, you know what I mean. Like it's
Speaker 2: a little weird, but anyway, it says sorry for the blasphemy.
Speaker 4: Hut there you can talk shit about your own kind.
Speaker 4: I'll talk shit about my own kind real quick. Okay,
Speaker 4: Now I'll take a second for that. I once knew
Speaker 4: a married couple, okay, and God bless them both. They're
Speaker 4: no longer together, and you'll be very obvious as to
Speaker 4: why here in a moment, this woman would try to
Speaker 4: have an entire praise in worship like time frame and
Speaker 4: a a time of prayer every time they were trying
Speaker 4: to fuck. Now listen, listen, Okay. As A as the
Speaker 4: resident Christian of this show, I understand that you would
Speaker 4: want God in every place in your marriage, including sexually.
Speaker 4: You want God everywhere. As far as that's concerned. I
Speaker 4: get it, mad, respect, mad, love, all the things. But like,
Speaker 4: when I'm trying to get balls deep, the last thing
Speaker 4: I'm wanting to do is start sitting in some praise
Speaker 4: and work songs and praying to the Almighty. He can
Speaker 4: be there. He's omnipresent, He's there everywhere, But like, do
Speaker 4: we have to acknowledge him while we're trying to like
Speaker 4: get after it? That just seems And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: once I met these people, it was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: this is a kink for this bitch. Ain't it like that?
Speaker 4: That's exactly what I betually likes being spanked with the
Speaker 4: Bible and shit, now I can't confirm that other part,
Speaker 4: but like it sounds about right, and there's there's crazies
Speaker 4: in every way, shape and flavor, y'all.
Speaker 2: It's almost say, God, save my soul for what I'm
Speaker 2: about to say. I do mean it out of just
Speaker 2: love and joking manner, but it's almost like she's envisioning
Speaker 2: God sitting in a chair in the corner of the room.
Speaker 2: Am I right. It's like, I think, Yeah, that's fucking weird.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 3: I don't think shame. So whatever thing.
Speaker 2: Is, whatever floats your boat. Yeah, nobody's shaming. It's just
Speaker 2: more of a slight judgment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously they got divorced because this chick was a
Speaker 4: little fucking crazy. But it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 3: They want to sing glory, glory, Hawlaria. It doesn't matter me.
Speaker 2: I mean, at that point, you can praise me all day.
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean, you can fool me into thinking
Speaker 2: that it's me and you can praise whoever you want.
Speaker 4: No, dude, it was like it wasn't even like old
Speaker 4: school choir handles and she it was like Lauren diggle.
Speaker 4: It was like taking back. It was like modern Christian
Speaker 4: songs that this was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a whole like you know, Avenue on
Speaker 3: pornhubb with this type of stuff, like it's gotta exist.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure, Oh dude, she's all somebody save me.
Speaker 4: Oh God, God, jelly Roll. Don't bring jelly Roll into
Speaker 4: the bedroom. No, he and his wife get after it enough.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure he do.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, dude, they I don't know if they's still
Speaker 4: about that life. But she used to bring in girls
Speaker 4: for them to share. Well, she was a sex.
Speaker 2: Worker, she was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's generous though.
Speaker 4: Oh look, jelly Row is living his best fucking life.
Speaker 4: He was in abject poverty and jail and all these things,
Speaker 4: and because of SoundCloud on the internet, the man has
Speaker 4: just he can't lose right now. It's incredible.
Speaker 2: Good for him, yeah, big time. But getting back to
Speaker 2: it over here, Oh goodness, I don't know why that happens.
Speaker 2: Here we go, All right, let's get back over yonder
Speaker 2: origins of the Mermaid eating dinner party theory. You want
Speaker 2: to know the origins That lady claimed that she was
Speaker 2: the originator, but turns out that was a lie, it
Speaker 2: says on March fourth. Yeah, I mean it's TikTok. I
Speaker 2: mean everybody's trying to get a little I'm just saying
Speaker 2: that's social media in general, people putting it up for likes.
Speaker 2: I mean it started with MySpace, I think.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, way before that, it started with the do
Speaker 3: you know where the term spam came from?
Speaker 4: No canned meat?
Speaker 3: Well, spam email? Oh uh no, there's a whole story
Speaker 3: of it where a guy was just trying to see
Speaker 3: if he could create a rumor and make it true,
Speaker 3: and like he came up with this whole story about spam,
Speaker 3: like the actual can spam, and like, uh, I don't
Speaker 3: even remember this story, but he emailed it to a
Speaker 3: couple people and then printed it in the like this
Speaker 3: online forum back in the nineties, and then it went
Speaker 3: around and it was just a joke, and everybody at
Speaker 3: the beginning realized it was just a joke. But then
Speaker 3: it got to the point where it became like this, uh,
Speaker 3: this urban legend, and all of your fake emails or
Speaker 3: junk emails became spam males. So there's even like a
Speaker 3: term for it on your inbox now is spam.
Speaker 2: I could see that I mean, I mean checks out.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the you know, the official origin.
Speaker 4: Is probably like it was human meat or something like
Speaker 4: that soylent green kind of thing. I could see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible. Well, it's getting back over to this,
Speaker 2: it said TikTok user posted a video telling a long
Speaker 2: story about a down on his luck man named Landon
Speaker 2: who got a job on a fishing boat. He had
Speaker 2: to sign an NDA along with his cousin's strange new crew.
Speaker 2: She says, one night, they caught their quarry a mermaid
Speaker 2: who spoke a strange language and she's and seemed to
Speaker 2: beg for her life. Upon the crew's return, they transported
Speaker 2: the creature to a warehouse, but inside it looked like
Speaker 2: a high end hibachi restaurant. The awaiting wealthy men then
Speaker 2: strapped the mermaid to a gurney and ate it. Because
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you, it says. This user posted several more
Speaker 2: videos in the following days telling more stories about Landon
Speaker 2: and his adventures hunting Murmay. The original video gained five
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety one thousand views, and her second one
Speaker 2: over two million views. She has also made a quite
Speaker 2: a few videos telling tales about vampires and quantum jumping,
Speaker 2: and one about mysterious stares. Outside of TikTok, one can
Speaker 2: find older stories about mermaid eating dinner party patrons. On
Speaker 2: February fourteenth of twenty twenty, a Reddit user posted a
Speaker 2: similar story about how he took a job on a
Speaker 2: boat captain by one Captain LeBlanc, and they ended up
Speaker 2: catching a mermaid to be eaten alive by ravenous elites.
Speaker 4: This was on.
Speaker 2: The the reddit no Sleep forum, where users post their
Speaker 2: short and fictional horror stories.
Speaker 4: I love it so an internet creepy pasta and a
Speaker 4: TikToker basically spawned the story, and now the internet's like, bro,
Speaker 4: it's real. I saw this.
Speaker 3: Well, everybody's talking about it, and it got annoying to
Speaker 3: me because nobody was like, A, I sing on, where
Speaker 3: can I find them? It's just how deep do I
Speaker 3: have to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just social media lore at that point. Everybody
Speaker 2: wants to be do I use right human babies?
Speaker 3: That would be difficult.
Speaker 4: It depends on where you shot right.
Speaker 3: The other the other one I went down was like
Speaker 3: gnomes and dwendas. This one's creepy because a lady posted
Speaker 3: a couple of tiktoks saying that she thinks she has
Speaker 3: gnomes living in her backyard and it was kind of
Speaker 3: funny and she like she put out pennies for them
Speaker 3: and other things that are supposedly supposed to attract gnomes,
Speaker 3: and there were like scratches on the wall. It looked
Speaker 3: like she was like in the Pacific southwest somewhere maybe
Speaker 3: maybe even like Arizona. And then she posted what she
Speaker 3: caught on It looks like a CCTV image. It might
Speaker 3: have been like a ring camera or a trail cam
Speaker 3: or something. But somebody uh commented that it was a
Speaker 3: dwen Day, which are other mythical creatures that are malevolent,
Speaker 3: and that they're like, you shouldn't give it anything because
Speaker 3: then it'll try and do stuff to you and like
Speaker 3: you know, own your property or whatever. And then it
Speaker 3: started to really blow up and people were reposting, you know,
Speaker 3: trying to figure stuff out and if it's a dwin
Speaker 3: Day or a gnome or some other cryptid and she
Speaker 3: deleted her account, so now we can't figure out where
Speaker 3: she is, what's going on with it now if they
Speaker 3: got her, like, I just want to I want to
Speaker 3: go and I want to find one, and I want
Speaker 3: to trap it, like a lepre Cott in South Park,
Speaker 3: Like I just want to I want to know.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, it's me just being me, And I don't
Speaker 4: know about what the population of this is like in
Speaker 4: that area. But if I left a bunch of shiny
Speaker 4: shit on my back patio coins and whatnot, and they
Speaker 4: were moved and taken and I heard scratches, I would
Speaker 4: instantaneously believe that a raccoon had gotten hold of the
Speaker 4: most scratching at the door. For more, because raccoons are
Speaker 4: attracted to shiny shit at night, that's kind of their
Speaker 4: whole thing. So like I don't know what the raccoon.
Speaker 2: Look I believe in the fantastical, mythological kind of stuff
Speaker 2: to a point. I mean, I personally witnessed something paranormal
Speaker 2: just a couple of years ago about that fucking thing
Speaker 2: that was knocking at my front door and then it
Speaker 2: went around and knocked in my back door, and that
Speaker 2: was like whatever, it could have been a crackhead, who
Speaker 2: fucking knows, right ahead, dude, I mean, I lived in
Speaker 2: a trailer park. It only made sense. But the strange
Speaker 2: part about that story is not so much that there
Speaker 2: was some random person possibly knocking at both of my doors.
Speaker 2: It was that I called the cops, and the cops
Speaker 2: came over to my house, and as they were listening
Speaker 2: to my story, the cops says, I told him the
Speaker 2: whole story about, you know, somebody's knocking on my front,
Speaker 2: somebody's knocking on my back, and it's really fucking strange,
Speaker 2: and they're knocking really loud, like loud loud. It was
Speaker 2: like scary loud. And this is also like one o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning. This shit's going on, which made it
Speaker 2: extra creepy. And I didn't have any tree branches or
Speaker 2: anything that could have been knocking at my window or
Speaker 2: anything like that. Like, it was clearly somebody banging at
Speaker 2: the doors. But whenever the cops came, the cop asked
Speaker 2: me this very ominous type question, and he goes, are
Speaker 2: you sure it was a human? I said, what the
Speaker 2: fuck kind of question is that?
Speaker 3: What do you mean an animal? Like an animal like
Speaker 3: a like a bear or something smacking your door or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there would be bear prints. It's a
Speaker 2: trailer park, you know, the bear would run through everything
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 4: I would think raccoon again.
Speaker 2: Personally, dude, a raccoon is not going to go.
Speaker 3: They could kick the door, like if it's a screen door,
Speaker 3: it could like kick it with his feet.
Speaker 2: It sounded like like a mallet was smashing my door.
Speaker 4: Dude, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm I don't know. Maybe the cop it was like
Speaker 4: what two in the morning.
Speaker 2: It was like one one thirty something like that in
Speaker 2: the morning, Like it was after we had got done shooting.
Speaker 2: We were over at Christie's studio and Luisa calls me
Speaker 2: and she's like, something's banging at the door. I don't know.
Speaker 4: You remember that night, Yeah, I do.
Speaker 2: And so I like, I'm like, all right, well, she's
Speaker 2: probably just tripping. She doesn't like being home alone. I
Speaker 2: mean she had the baby, you know, but maybe he's
Speaker 2: not gonna do much in times like that, So, you know, she,
Speaker 2: you know, was just tripping out. And I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm coming home. I didn't really even take
Speaker 2: it seriously. And then I get there in like five minutes. Bro,
Speaker 2: I mean before I even walked in, I went and
Speaker 2: I looked around the trailer. I looked all over the place.
Speaker 2: There was nobody walking around. I didn't hear any footsteps
Speaker 2: or anything like that. I shined my flashlight, looked everywhere,
Speaker 2: couldn't see anything. I was like, I don't think there's
Speaker 2: anything out there. I go in there and shut the door.
Speaker 2: In under five minutes, the banging starts happening on my
Speaker 2: front door, and we're like what the fuck? And you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to look out the window because by
Speaker 2: you remember, by standing on the front porch, you could
Speaker 2: see that window right there, it'd be so obvious that
Speaker 2: I'm trying to stare at it right And I didn't
Speaker 2: have a people in my door, and so I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, let me just like see what happens.
Speaker 2: And I was trying to see if, like, all right,
Speaker 2: was this gonna be a consistent type thing. Is he
Speaker 2: gonna keep on knocking or is it gonna keep on
Speaker 2: knocking whatever it is, or is it gonna go away?
Speaker 2: Because I have had like random trailer park members come
Speaker 2: and bang at my door late at night before usually
Speaker 2: somebody asking for a cigarette, at which I tell them
Speaker 2: the reason I quit smoking was because you fucking bumps
Speaker 2: keep on asking me for cigarettes. So that was the
Speaker 2: whole reason why I even quit smoking cigarettes In the
Speaker 2: first place, but.
Speaker 4: Unity members of the trailer park.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't stand it. And it's like these people.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying all the people of the
Speaker 2: trailer park. I have a lot of love for the
Speaker 2: trailer park. The trailer park is a piece of me.
Speaker 2: I lived there for like five years. But there are
Speaker 2: definitely meth heads, Like that's not a question. There is
Speaker 2: definitely meth heads in that trailer park, no doubt. And
Speaker 2: so whenever I heard that first knock, I was like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? And Luis's like, see, I wasn't lying.
Speaker 2: You thought I was making it up. You thought I
Speaker 2: was exaggerating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll tell you what it may have also been
Speaker 4: because you had like a very heavily Hispanic population in there.
Speaker 4: And I can't tell you how many times I left
Speaker 4: your house at two thirty in the morning and these little,
Speaker 4: like six year old kids are running the streets of
Speaker 4: that trailer park. I know, it's very possible that it
Speaker 4: was one of the little kids coming playing ding dong
Speaker 4: ditch on your ass. It's also very you.
Speaker 2: Know, I mean, anything's possible. I'm looking for some kind
Speaker 2: of explanation. It's just that. And here's the deal. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just on the front door, in the back door.
Speaker 2: They also got that fucking back window they were banging
Speaker 2: on too, Like the for the dining area to the trailer.
Speaker 2: They were banging on that, And I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck man? And then that's that's the problem is
Speaker 2: that I I would like to believe if it was
Speaker 2: a kid's hand knocking, I would know the difference between
Speaker 2: a fully grown adult, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of force that an adult can
Speaker 2: exude that a kid can't. And like this was like
Speaker 2: full on piste off, like knocking at my door. Dude.
Speaker 4: This is before or after I gave you that piece.
Speaker 2: Actually I think you gave me that after this as
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, which is funny because we were
Speaker 2: over at Christie's and Christy with all of her wild
Speaker 2: things that she believes and everything she's like, it was
Speaker 2: just like a week before that that I or maybe
Speaker 2: a couple of days before that that I had told Christy.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I I forget.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we're gonna get to. This is where
Speaker 2: it gets super weird, especially once you start believing the crazies,
Speaker 2: right and so I was like, I'm like fucking scared,
Speaker 2: and at any I'm just looking for an answer. At
Speaker 2: this point, I don't even give a fuck what it was.
Speaker 2: And so a couple of days before I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I was talking to her, and you know, she believes
Speaker 2: that she's the reincarnation of this, she's magical that whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to question it, do you boo boo?
Speaker 2: But she was like, and I was like, look, you
Speaker 2: say you can, you can do all these things, but
Speaker 2: until you can somehow manifest it to prove it to anybody,
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna believe you. Everybody's just going to look at
Speaker 2: you like you're kind of crazy. I told her that,
Speaker 2: and she goes, she goes, uh, it's it's gonna come
Speaker 2: one day and you're going to see it manifest in
Speaker 2: some kind of way. And then literally I should you know.
Speaker 2: I think it was like two or three days later
Speaker 2: that this happened. And then I went back the next
Speaker 2: day told her about it, and then she had her
Speaker 2: daughter sitting right there on the couch, remember, and she
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, I don't remember her daughter's name,
Speaker 2: but her little daughter was sitting there on the couch
Speaker 2: and she was like, oh yeah, she was really looking
Speaker 2: into it. And Christy was like is it what I think?
Speaker 2: And her daughter's like yep, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: what is it then, and it was like, uh, it
Speaker 2: was like yeah, I know. It's like they all know
Speaker 2: that they're all thinking the same exact thing, which is weird.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so I'm like, what the fuck? But anyway, Uh,
Speaker 2: I think it was like some kind of fucking skin
Speaker 2: walker or some shit like that that she said that
Speaker 2: it was, but we never heard it again. That was
Speaker 2: the only time it ever happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly, clearly it was I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna be mean, it's it's the very.
Speaker 3: Thing, and it literally could be anything.
Speaker 4: It could be. We don't know, that is a fact.
Speaker 2: Well. It was strange because that was right after correct
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. That was rad after like that
Speaker 2: was whenever all of the the fucking the woman on
Speaker 2: the plane and that thing's not fucking real. And then
Speaker 2: it was just like a month after that that it
Speaker 2: was the Miami Mall thing that was going on with Alien.
Speaker 2: So now I'm really believing that this world's going to
Speaker 2: hell and a ham basket and it's kind of knocking
Speaker 2: at my fucking door, and I'm like really tripping.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It was sketchy, I know, and I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: detract from it. I believe it was more likely than
Speaker 4: not one of the trailer park community members.
Speaker 3: The most reasonable explanation is usually the correct explanation.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I mean, you know, the simplest.
Speaker 3: You always have to leave room for whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: wild stuffing.
Speaker 4: We're talking about Trump being a time traveler here, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, at what.
Speaker 3: Point exactly I'm leaving room for it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the thing is is that we were already
Speaker 2: in Christie's shops, surrounded by all the wildness. And we
Speaker 2: have a conspiracy podcast in which we talk about a
Speaker 2: lot of the wildness.
Speaker 3: Yourself up to it. So now it's influencing your reality.
Speaker 2: Did I open a fucking portal to a demon? That's
Speaker 2: what I was thinking at the moment. Of course, I
Speaker 2: think that's silly now, but back then it had me
Speaker 2: full on convinced that something ethereal was out there trying
Speaker 2: to get me.
Speaker 3: Do you remind me you're not looking down at you
Speaker 3: or anything? I mean, my mom's got ghosts, so are
Speaker 3: those silver tip holo points?
Speaker 4: Uh? Solid silver nine points Winchester's Yeah, I think Remington Okay,
Speaker 4: Luber excuse, oh yeah Winchester lugers look at that. So
Speaker 4: I have I have enough for you to get a
Speaker 4: mag too for that nine mil I gave you so
Speaker 4: just in case we get another ethereal being knocking on
Speaker 4: the door. You don't need a hitim with lead him
Speaker 4: with that silver. We got that too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I carry those in my forty when I go hiking.
Speaker 4: In your forty.
Speaker 3: First of all, why I'm a forty guy?
Speaker 4: Really? Why? No, no shape down. I don't have an
Speaker 4: issue with it, but like it's harder to find rounds
Speaker 4: for a forty in.
Speaker 3: A in a scenario where you know red Dawn or anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to be harder to find them. But I like,
Speaker 3: I've practiced with it so much that now it's my
Speaker 3: go to And I like the recoil, I like the
Speaker 3: trigger poil, I like everything.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, I can't talk shit. My every day
Speaker 4: carries a snub nose thirty eight. But I mean I
Speaker 4: also in my car carry a forty five, and everybody
Speaker 4: gives me shit about that. It's got the same ballistics
Speaker 4: as a nine milt. Listen, I understand your science. I
Speaker 4: just disagree with it.
Speaker 3: Still gonna do it, Yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I like I like the forty five caliber.
Speaker 3: More and agains are where it's at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, They're just hard to find these days, dude. They
Speaker 4: had a run of them hit Cabello's by my house
Speaker 4: a while back. So I got a little bit of them,
Speaker 4: enough for two bags at least, and i've you know,
Speaker 4: handed some out to some people for the for the
Speaker 4: shock and all, and they're like, that's not real silver.
Speaker 4: I was like, you test it. Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 4: It fucking is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And whenever you know you might have to share
Speaker 3: a were wolf you need to wear a vampire are
Speaker 3: you gonna need it?
Speaker 4: Look in our area. We don't know where the ruguru
Speaker 4: is or is not. Okay, the cage in version of
Speaker 4: a were wolf, but just in case, you gotta stay
Speaker 4: strapped or get clapped, so we stay with it.
Speaker 2: Bro. This is so fucking strange. I am about to
Speaker 2: trip you out, dude. So all I did I just
Speaker 2: typed in duc dug go and I just typed in
Speaker 2: Cryptid's knocking at your door. The first thing that shows
Speaker 2: up is Cult of Conspiracy. Let's go you one.
Speaker 3: Number one hit on YouTube for cryptids.
Speaker 2: Knocking at your door? Did we talk about that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I believe back in the day. Click on
Speaker 4: and see how long ago that episode was. She that's
Speaker 4: on iHeart that's our subsidiary that we're through.
Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't take it to a specific podcast, it
Speaker 2: just shows all of them.
Speaker 3: Oh it's your description.
Speaker 2: Ooh uh, what the fuck? Did I write that? We
Speaker 2: cover conspiracies of all types, from government cover ups and
Speaker 2: cryptids knocking at your door. I did not write that.
Speaker 4: You had to have because I've never put it in
Speaker 4: the types of descriptions I put them in on the
Speaker 4: episodes on occasion. I know I dropped the ball sometime
Speaker 4: it appears that you do not.
Speaker 3: I really, I'm there.
Speaker 2: I don't remember typing that. If I did.
Speaker 4: That's how long ago was that? Tight? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean it could have been five years ago for
Speaker 2: all we know.
Speaker 4: That's what's up. And the next one down colt a
Speaker 4: conspiracy on the on What was that right there?
Speaker 2: Tune in, Son of a Bitch?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your Google.
Speaker 4: Cryptid's knocking at your door? You know what? I think?
Speaker 4: That's that's a well it's not a T shirt, but
Speaker 4: it's definitely something that has led to us, so it's
Speaker 4: a it's a link.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, dude. I was actually I I saw a
Speaker 2: clip earlier from the Info Wars show that happened earlier today,
Speaker 2: and I follow the Instagram. I don't think it's the
Speaker 2: actual Info Wars Instagram. I think it's just a fan
Speaker 2: of Info Wars that fall and gets clips or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I saw something where, uh, your boy was talking
Speaker 2: Alex Jones. He was talking about some kind of demonic
Speaker 2: entity that are influencing politicians, and he started to get
Speaker 2: like real specific about it, and he was saying that,
Speaker 2: like Tucker Carlson was possibly possibly in the presence of
Speaker 2: some kind of demonic force that allegedly put his hand
Speaker 2: on Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones. I guess he was
Speaker 2: telling this story to Alex Jones and then Alex Jones
Speaker 2: was like, oh, and then this happened, and then this happened,
Speaker 2: and then this happened, and Tucker's like, wait, how do
Speaker 2: you know that? And he's like, people think that I
Speaker 2: just make this stuff up. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that guy that the demonic entity might
Speaker 4: have been called Vladimir Putin. I could be wrong. I'm joking.
Speaker 4: I'm joking, y'all these jokes. I don't know. Tucker, Tucker,
Speaker 4: he's kind of gone off the deep end and a
Speaker 4: couple of these things. He's like, Oh, and Benjamin or
Speaker 4: whatever this name, he's like, he spent too much time
Speaker 4: on the internet. Now. It's like, dude, like, have you
Speaker 4: even taken a decent look around to see what the
Speaker 4: status of everything is right now? Or are you just
Speaker 4: like in your own little cave and you're just kind
Speaker 4: of like stewing on it.
Speaker 2: You know, that's where you're gonna get from a deadhead dude,
Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, what was.
Speaker 4: The guy we met on at Browhemian Groove? Oh, hippie Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Hick Man told me not to get that cabin in
Speaker 2: the woods and I didn't.
Speaker 4: Okay, but it wasn't because of hippie Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Oh and it actually was because of that bro. What Yeah,
Speaker 2: I swear Like, see, I'm I'm somebody that actually believes
Speaker 2: that God or the universe does give you signs, especially
Speaker 2: whenever you're like you're really looking for some kind of sign.
Speaker 2: Should you do this should you? Should you not do that? So, Matt,
Speaker 2: let me tell you about this story. Bro this is
Speaker 2: freaking nuts. So I'm not gonna lie. I had always
Speaker 2: wanted to live in a cabin, and then whenever I
Speaker 2: saw you lived in a cabin, I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: it looks pretty sweet. And then I've unfortunately I heard
Speaker 2: about like you know, you were like, well, don't do it,
Speaker 2: don't do it? Remember you you were telling me about that,
Speaker 2: and I and I and I'm wait a second.
Speaker 4: Now you went to Bhemian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had him on in September. We went to
Speaker 2: Brohemian Grove in October.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so have you heard anything else about the
Speaker 4: springtime Brohemian? I reached out to the boys. I have
Speaker 4: heard him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's going to be sometime in June,
Speaker 2: July or something like that.
Speaker 4: Summertime Brohemian. I'm all right moving on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Matt, we we literally just got done talking
Speaker 2: to you. The following month, we go to Brohemian Grove. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a single man. At this time, me and
Speaker 2: my wife were temporarily split up, and I was thinking,
Speaker 2: you know what, I just want to go off and
Speaker 2: be that wizard in the woods. Let me just go
Speaker 2: live alone completely in nature, be fully immerged, just do
Speaker 2: all of the fun wizarding, magical things. It just seemed awesome.
Speaker 2: It seems awesome, right, And so I had always wanted that,
Speaker 2: you know, And and I actually I went on to
Speaker 2: what is it the the housing website that you go
Speaker 2: and find out Zillo. Yeah, So I went on to
Speaker 2: Zilo and I found, Oh my god, it was awesome.
Speaker 2: I found this cabin and then it actually had a
Speaker 2: guest house in the back. And it was like right
Speaker 2: in my price range, like magically, like it looked too
Speaker 2: awesome to be true. And it was sitting on like
Speaker 2: an acre of property. And I was like really really
Speaker 2: thinking about doing it, and I told everybody. I was like, dude,
Speaker 2: I found this property. I found this house that has
Speaker 2: a guest house. I was talking about like moving my
Speaker 2: parents in the back. It was getting real weird. But
Speaker 2: and so I was like getting ready to go through
Speaker 2: with it. Well, then we go to Brohemian Grove and
Speaker 2: I told Nick about it, and I told Jacob about
Speaker 2: it that I had really been looking into the whole
Speaker 2: cabin situation. And so we go to Brohemian Grove and
Speaker 2: on night two that were there, we run into this
Speaker 2: guy whose name went he went by Hippie Jimmy. He
Speaker 2: has a whole YouTube channel following all of his travels
Speaker 2: and everything. I think he has like eight subscribers or
Speaker 2: something like that, but that's neither here nor there. He's
Speaker 2: still Hippie Jimmy, and he had we had some really
Speaker 2: good conversations. So me and Electro Nick were over talking
Speaker 2: to this Hippie Jimmy character and he goes off talking
Speaker 2: about some off the wall type shit and he goes,
Speaker 2: that's why you should never ever ever move into a
Speaker 2: cabin in the woods, and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: I was literally just talking about that earlier. And so
Speaker 2: of course that prior night I had done DMT for
Speaker 2: the first time. So my mind is like, I'm one
Speaker 2: with the universe. It's giving me a message, and honestly,
Speaker 2: that's really how I thought it. And so yeah, I
Speaker 2: didn't end up going with the cabin in the woods,
Speaker 2: and me and Luis end up getting back together, and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe that's why I wasn't supposed to get it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just followed the U the
Speaker 2: Universe's guidance if you will.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm crazy for this, but personally, I think it
Speaker 4: would be not the wisest to follow the financial advice
Speaker 4: of a dude that walks up wearing a fringed, tied
Speaker 4: eye shirt with no sandals in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of no because he knows exactly what not to do, right,
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 2: Was just taking that advice.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's why you always take legal advice from felons.
Speaker 4: Uh okay, I would think to take legal advice from
Speaker 4: a lawyer. It's just me.
Speaker 3: They've already done it. They know how to get out
Speaker 3: of it. Hmm.
Speaker 4: Crime advice from a from a felon, and.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean we're splitting hairs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, fair enough?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Wait a second, So, Jacob, are you trying
Speaker 2: to say that you never feel like you get a
Speaker 2: sign from something greater than you that is like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe this just happened to me.
Speaker 2: In reality, you never you never get that like epiphany
Speaker 2: kind of moment.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure. But it also depends on what the
Speaker 4: message is, And as I always do, you got to
Speaker 4: test the source, you know. Now, I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: you buying a cabin in the woods would have been
Speaker 4: the smartest idea at that time. But I didn't know
Speaker 4: that hippie Jimmy was the reason why you didn't buy it.
Speaker 4: I thought you didn't buy it because you looked at
Speaker 4: it for the grand scheme of things and was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: what is this The housing market value of this going
Speaker 4: to be in a few years? How much upkeep is
Speaker 4: there in a log cabin? Do I really want to
Speaker 4: be that secluded from people for extended periods of time.
Speaker 4: I thought you'd taking a big, like grand total sum
Speaker 4: of the all encompassing and decided to make a like,
Speaker 4: you know, a decision in this regard. Not that you
Speaker 4: followed the advice of a hippie that just wandered into
Speaker 4: our lives for about thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it as advice from a homeless hippie
Speaker 2: Jimmy not wearing any shoes with his It's just sign. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just a sign that, like, of all the
Speaker 2: things that this guy could have said in that moment
Speaker 2: to anybody at that at that venue, he said that
Speaker 2: specific thing. To me, Like, you know, that was kind
Speaker 2: of like synchronistic at that point. To me, that's how
Speaker 2: my mind interpreted. And if you remember, later on that
Speaker 2: night we went back to the Airbnb, me, you, and
Speaker 2: electro Nick were all talking about it, and electro Nick
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I think that that was a weird
Speaker 2: time because it was strange. As soon as Hippie Jimmy said, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't want to get that. You don't want to
Speaker 2: get a cabinet. It's the worst thing you could ever do.
Speaker 2: Me and Electronick, we just look at each other like
Speaker 2: what the fuck. Like it was like we both thought
Speaker 2: it was some kind of like strange universal message or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Everybody gets their messages and their synchronicities and their divine
Speaker 2: guidance in one way or another. I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd say that that was the wrong move, bro. It
Speaker 4: seemed to work out pretty well for you following that advice,
Speaker 4: So I mean, hey, maybe I'm the asshole here. I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 2: Possibly. I mean no, I'm not saying you're the asshole,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's I just took that advice. However it was given
Speaker 2: to me. Hey, it's kind of like, you know, the
Speaker 2: the same sense of like if you were to do
Speaker 2: a money spell for example, right, if you were to
Speaker 2: do a money spell or a love spell or name
Speaker 2: your kind of spell. Not that you would do it
Speaker 2: being a good Christian boy, but somebody who is into
Speaker 2: the witchy kind of stuff, if they were to do
Speaker 2: some kind of money spell and then the next day,
Speaker 2: for some reason, your job decides to give you a
Speaker 2: five dollars per hour raise. Would you look at that
Speaker 2: as a coincidence in that they're not attached at all,
Speaker 2: or would you look at it like, oh, my spell worked.
Speaker 4: Oh at that moment, I would, But then it again like, right,
Speaker 4: did you do it in the next week it happened,
Speaker 4: or do you do the money spell and then like
Speaker 4: two years down the road that happens, and then do
Speaker 4: at that point do you attribute it to the spell?
Speaker 4: Do you attribute it to That's what I'm saying, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I feel you.
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't attribute it if it's two
Speaker 2: years later, even a year later, I wouldn't attribute it
Speaker 2: to the spell. Like I think that it has to
Speaker 2: be pretty soon after.
Speaker 4: How wide is the time gap for And I know
Speaker 4: it's open to conjecture. I get that, but like, real shit,
Speaker 4: here how wide is the birth on that?
Speaker 2: So I'll give it to you like this. I always
Speaker 2: like to bring up that book called The Magickian written
Speaker 2: by Philip Cooper, like one of the best magicians or
Speaker 2: at least somebody who has been able to document magic
Speaker 2: to the best of their ability in a very easy
Speaker 2: to swallow type of way. He was. What he said
Speaker 2: is is that whenever, and this is not only just
Speaker 2: with spell work, but it's for manifestation and all that
Speaker 2: other going into your temple and you know, the cardinal
Speaker 2: directions and all that fun jazz. But he's saying that
Speaker 2: after you go through with said spell, if let's say
Speaker 2: you I don't know, let's say you do a spell
Speaker 2: and you want a Lamborghini, right, he says, if you
Speaker 2: carried through that spell in the way that you know
Speaker 2: you should have, in the very best way, in the
Speaker 2: very best way possible, and you go out outside when
Speaker 2: you're done performing the spell and that sports car is
Speaker 2: not in your driveway, then you didn't do the spell correctly.
Speaker 2: That's how hard these people believe in this stuff. And
Speaker 2: so I mean it works the same with you know,
Speaker 2: light magic and dark magic and all that other fun jazz.
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know. That's that's what I learned.
Speaker 4: Paneously. It needs to happen otherwise it didn't work.
Speaker 2: I mean, my money spell worked the next day, okay,
Speaker 2: so like call that a coincidence. I don't know, the
Speaker 2: next day it was fucking strange though.
Speaker 4: So if it happened like a week later, would you personally,
Speaker 4: just Jonathan speaking on behalf of Jonathan here, if you
Speaker 4: did a money spell and a week later, somebody, some
Speaker 4: way you got an extra like two grand in your
Speaker 4: account from some random thing, would you think that was
Speaker 4: the money spell? Would you think that was something completely unrelated?
Speaker 2: I'd probably go like a three month kind of role.
Speaker 3: Go with the moon cycle, so a month.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's also possible too, depending on you know,
Speaker 2: which phase of the moon you know, and is it
Speaker 2: full or is it uh you know, the the thumbnail
Speaker 2: or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you know actually the lunar cycles being connected
Speaker 4: to magic spells, Mattie Ice, I like that, you do
Speaker 4: it like that? That's okay. So we're talking about a
Speaker 4: one month turnaround, give or take.
Speaker 2: Okay, that does that does check out? I mean I
Speaker 2: I set my crystals out for a full moon every time.
Speaker 2: So but I'm weird. I mean, I think that a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, other witches and people like that
Speaker 2: probably do the same thing.
Speaker 4: But that's perspective, man. The fact that I don't have
Speaker 4: crystals makes me weird to a certain demographic, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, to some people. The fact that you
Speaker 4: do crystals makes you weird to a different graphic. That's
Speaker 4: all perspective, man.
Speaker 2: That's for my tarot cards. They give me better readings.
Speaker 4: M better do they?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: So I wonder if we were to use a different
Speaker 4: type of totem, if you will, a wooden thing, a gold, silver, something,
Speaker 4: I don't know whatever, like other than crystals, and then
Speaker 4: try it out. I wonder if it would give you
Speaker 4: better worse same readings. I wonder if there's a way
Speaker 4: to like experiment in this.
Speaker 3: So there's stuff that's connected to you spiritually on a
Speaker 3: cosmic level. I know, terror readers and mediums and stuff
Speaker 3: that'll have little totem type things that they keep with
Speaker 3: them that are connected to them from the past. On
Speaker 3: a spiritual level, that spirit can connect to I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know enough about it to speak intelligently on it,
Speaker 3: but there are things.
Speaker 2: That you can have from what I have been learning,
Speaker 2: you know, being in that that kind of realm here,
Speaker 2: that kind of realm here for the last year and
Speaker 2: a half, or give or take whatever it is. It's
Speaker 2: mainly predicated upon your beliefs. So if you believe that
Speaker 2: by charging your crystals in the vast moonlight of a
Speaker 2: full moon in some water, and then you put them
Speaker 2: on top of your tarot deck and you believe that
Speaker 2: it's actually going to charge it up somehow, I believe
Speaker 2: that's how it works. Like it's it's a lot of
Speaker 2: this is predicated upon upon belief.
Speaker 3: For me, I feel my cynical brain just thinks of
Speaker 3: it as the placebo effect.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not to take away from the placebo effect though, right,
Speaker 2: Like placebo effect is fucking magic works. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: full on magic.
Speaker 3: But then but then when you open your mind to
Speaker 3: the placebo effect, all of your magic is just manifest
Speaker 3: manifesting your own reality by concentration.
Speaker 4: Okay, so well not just not a a bit of
Speaker 4: faith in order to make this quote unquote to make
Speaker 4: it work for you.
Speaker 3: Essentially, why voodoo only works if you believe in it.
Speaker 4: Okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: I personally think that that's how all kind of spiritual
Speaker 2: structures work. Like, I think that all of them do
Speaker 2: require some amount of faith, right, Like, no matter what,
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: A lot of stuff that we don't understand, and if
Speaker 3: anybody gives you a definitive answer on it, they're just
Speaker 3: might be speaking intelligently from research that they've done. But
Speaker 3: the research that they've done is all theoretical stuff anyway,
Speaker 3: so it's not rooted in fact. But there is something
Speaker 3: out there that nobody can explain. And for some reason,
Speaker 3: these magic and crystals and Darrow and spirits all seem
Speaker 3: to have an effect on your reality.
Speaker 4: I've heard you say many times that faith is in
Speaker 4: is the enemy of knowing.
Speaker 2: No belief is the enemy of knowing.
Speaker 4: But belief in faith, we're talking the same thing, right
Speaker 4: You're talking about you believe in these crystals in order
Speaker 4: to make them work. That's why I said, it's kind
Speaker 4: of it's in the realm of faith. So where do
Speaker 4: we draw the line here? And I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: like call you out. I'm just I'm trying to figure
Speaker 4: it all out here.
Speaker 2: So from him, from my own understanding, there is there
Speaker 2: is a significant difference between faith and belief. Yeah, because uh,
Speaker 2: well you think about it. If you believe something, you're
Speaker 2: saying you don't know it, Like I don't believe you
Speaker 2: have a beard. I know you do, right like, and
Speaker 2: so there's something with that. Faith is, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: a little bit more powerful because it's a knowing in
Speaker 2: a way, right like you know, like you being a Christian,
Speaker 2: you know Jesus is real. You don't you don't believe
Speaker 2: that he is, you know that he is. That's how
Speaker 2: that's how powerful your belief in it in him is,
Speaker 2: is that you have faith. And so I believe faith
Speaker 2: is a step farther than belief.
Speaker 4: Personally, I thought these are the same things, just with
Speaker 4: different words. Honestly, it's like saying, I believe that there's
Speaker 4: oxygen in this room around me right now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know that. I don't have a monitor to
Speaker 4: tell me what the oxygen density is.
Speaker 3: But you're seeing the effect of it. I understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying, but you see the effect of the oxygen.
Speaker 4: Okay, that might have been a bad example, right, I
Speaker 4: have faith. No, no, no, you're fine, You're fine. Let's
Speaker 4: go there. When I get into a plane, I don't
Speaker 4: know for a fact that all the maintenance has been
Speaker 4: done on this aircraft the correct way. I do not
Speaker 4: know for a fact what kind of actual credentials the
Speaker 4: pilot has done, or if he's sober even right, I
Speaker 4: have faith and I believe that I'm going to get
Speaker 4: to my destination safely. But I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can believe and have faith. How
Speaker 2: that's the same thing I don't like.
Speaker 6: I don't I know, it's something you accept it as true, right,
Speaker 6: have faith in something is to trust or have confidence
Speaker 6: a strong belief.
Speaker 2: There you go. So there is a difference.
Speaker 3: So it's very you know, it's one and the same,
Speaker 3: but a little different.
Speaker 2: One's a little bit more powerful. I mean, I could
Speaker 2: be totally wrong. That's just my perspective of it that
Speaker 2: I've always looked at it in the same way. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a book that I reference all the time by
Speaker 2: Napoleon Hill called Think and Grow Rich, Right, And there's
Speaker 2: a chapter towards the end of that book after he
Speaker 2: goes through all of the things that you know, he
Speaker 2: had witnessed on that journey, following around Andrew Carnegie and
Speaker 2: shit like that. But towards the end of the book,
Speaker 2: it's an entire chapter based upon faith, and he goes,
Speaker 2: I don't mean faith in religion, he goes, but you
Speaker 2: can take that same feeling of faith and apply it
Speaker 2: to what you believe is going to happen in your future.
Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily that he believed that he was
Speaker 2: going to be rich. He had faith, he knew it was.
Speaker 2: It was almost predetermined, how for sure he was in
Speaker 2: his in his ability to become a successful businessman. And
Speaker 2: he actually got like borderline woo woo with his explanation.
Speaker 2: This was in the sixties, by the way, And and
Speaker 2: he I guess that that was a part of the
Speaker 2: book that wasn't necessarily in there whenever the book was
Speaker 2: first written, because he thought that there was going to
Speaker 2: be some kind of religious slat back because he used
Speaker 2: faith not in a religious kind of way or something
Speaker 2: like that. And then I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: after his death or towards his death he decided to,
Speaker 2: you know, include that part of the book in there
Speaker 2: or something, but it is, it is, there's something extra
Speaker 2: to it, and it's it plays into the whole manifestation stuff.
Speaker 2: So if you don't believe in manifestation, then there is
Speaker 2: no difference between belief and faith. I think.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well it can.
Speaker 3: Go even simpler, like that old phrase, whether you think
Speaker 3: he can or you think he can't, you're right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: If you think you're gonna hit the shot, you know,
Speaker 3: the jump shot, or you think you're not gonna hit
Speaker 3: the jump shot, you're probably not gonna hit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's all this is all matters of
Speaker 2: the mind, like all of this, Like, these are just
Speaker 2: words and we apply meaning to them, and it's up
Speaker 2: to your mind to determine how to use said words
Speaker 2: to your advantage. In some ways, especially whenever you're talking
Speaker 2: about spells or incantations or manifestations or any of that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. You know, the magician and the sorcerer
Speaker 2: and the witch are always looking for new ways to
Speaker 2: amp up whatever it is they're doing, right, And so
Speaker 2: maybe that's the distinction there. It could we could be
Speaker 2: splitting hairs, okay, But getting back over to that whole.
Speaker 2: I found the article where the whole Alex Jones and
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson demon story. Dude, this shit is fucking weird.
Speaker 2: This was actually in November of last year, so a
Speaker 2: few months ago or at least.
Speaker 4: That's up dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like it. It says, yesterday we brought you
Speaker 2: the absolutely stunning story of Tucker Carlson coming forward with
Speaker 2: a story about how he was attacked one night in
Speaker 2: his room by a demon and physically mulled. Folks, this
Speaker 2: is a fairly worldly This is a fairly worldly Tucker
Speaker 2: Carlson who suddenly found himself in a spiritual battle and
Speaker 2: realized all of this is real. I'll repost that full
Speaker 2: report down below in case you missed it, But now
Speaker 2: I want to bring you an update on the same
Speaker 2: topic topic from Alex Jones. Alex Jones posted today confirming
Speaker 2: that Tucker told him the story about a year ago
Speaker 2: when he was up at Tucker Tucker's cabin. Speaking of cabins,
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 3: He also stuff happens, man.
Speaker 2: Shit happens out there. I mean you're out there, you're alone.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fresh meat for a demon. Well, it
Speaker 2: says that he also opens up about his own story
Speaker 2: where he was attacked by a poltergeist. Alex Jones talking
Speaker 2: about that, it says, what a crazy time we are
Speaker 2: living through. Did you ever think that you'd see a
Speaker 2: time in life where perhaps the two biggest newsmen in
Speaker 2: the world are talking openly and honestly about how they've
Speaker 2: been attacked by real, literal demons in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night, and they're serious about it, and they say
Speaker 2: it was these encounters that suddenly gave them the urge
Speaker 2: to read the Bible in full. So here's the clip
Speaker 2: right here. You want to check it out, Yeah, go.
Speaker 4: For it from Halloween twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: What a strange time, right.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 5: I have never told this story or these stories, and
Speaker 5: I'm going to do it tomorrow on the Friday Show.
Speaker 5: But I was basically inspired to go ahead and do
Speaker 5: it by Tucker Carls today. So a few years ago,
Speaker 5: I knew about this when it first happened, and I'm
Speaker 5: not going to get into the details and the sources
Speaker 5: of that. But then last year, when I was at
Speaker 5: Tucker's house at Maine at dinner, we started talking about
Speaker 5: the paranormal and things, and he told me about the
Speaker 5: two experiences he'd had in his life, once when he
Speaker 5: was a child at their house down in California in
Speaker 5: the backyard, and then the other had happened about a
Speaker 5: year before or a little less than year before when
Speaker 5: and he was a guy who wasn't sure God was real.
Speaker 5: He's like some guy that hears voices and sees stuff,
Speaker 5: that schizophrenic. And he got attacked. And she told the
Speaker 5: story about the demon in the bed and you know,
Speaker 5: scratching him and all the rest of it. And he
Speaker 5: got into more details and it wasn't like he wasn't
Speaker 5: scratching himself. It was like from the front down of
Speaker 5: the back, didn't do it himself with his hands. And
Speaker 5: that's one of the common things in lord and history
Speaker 5: and all cultures, you know, talking about different the Japanese
Speaker 5: to the ancient Romans. If it's something happened to the
Speaker 5: ancient Africans, you know, the stories get told and they're
Speaker 5: there for a reason. They're universal because they happened. And
Speaker 5: I've never really told my stories. I told him some
Speaker 5: and just to show him what I was talking about,
Speaker 5: I I said, I think I know what happened to you,
Speaker 5: But I didn't tell them anything else.
Speaker 4: About about why it happened.
Speaker 5: You know where it came from, who was behind it,
Speaker 5: And I nailed where it came from. Now that was
Speaker 5: not me, and I'm fifty now, and I've learned to
Speaker 5: go with my spirit instincts for everyone. Call it sixth sense,
Speaker 5: and as long as you just open up to it
Speaker 5: when it called that, it's always dead on. And I
Speaker 5: blew him away. So that's why I said, on the
Speaker 5: most exceptional person he's ever met. But I'm not just
Speaker 5: one of other persons ever nailed stuff for him and
Speaker 5: love him by a skill. But I just in my spirit,
Speaker 5: I knew how it happened. And I said, recently, has
Speaker 5: anyone laid hands on you? It just came to me,
Speaker 5: and he said he had really freaked out. He kind
Speaker 5: of got up, so he went to the bathroom, came
Speaker 5: back and he said, I haven't even told my wife this.
Speaker 5: I haven't told him body. He goes, just a week ago,
Speaker 5: I was on an airplane flying back here, and this
Speaker 5: has happened a while back before that, and it started
Speaker 5: clicking to him. Was that when this happened. So we
Speaker 5: were like simpatica, We were like, you know, linked up.
Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell more of the story tomorrow
Speaker 5: and I need to call him and get permissions. In fact,
Speaker 5: he did tell me part of it, not that they
Speaker 5: ever tell so how you call him and then I'll
Speaker 5: tell you my story. And I've only had a what
Speaker 5: they call a poltergeist, it's the German name for it,
Speaker 5: angry spirit, because they throw people around and smash stuff.
Speaker 5: Only had that once, clear blue, middle of the day
Speaker 5: growing I was like eleven years old, dislocated my shoulder.
Speaker 5: I was a tough kid. I didn't figure out till
Speaker 5: later that day. I'll tell the story tomorrow. This is real, though,
Speaker 5: I guess he his crew probably put this out, not
Speaker 5: because he wanted to, but just he takes so my
Speaker 5: stuff because it is Halloween's can I see as the
Speaker 5: time for that. But this is no joke. This is
Speaker 5: this is real and I Tucker's not joking, so I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna put this out to night plus all.
Speaker 2: Right, well he doesn't get into it right here.
Speaker 4: But fast forward it later and see if it's like
Speaker 4: a later video or if it's just him still talking
Speaker 4: about you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not letting me fall. Oh there we go.
Speaker 4: Then it goes into all right, well just curious.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, yeah, I mean pretty strange about how all
Speaker 2: that shit works though, right, like I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 4: My experiences with Damon's dude, I've talked about that many
Speaker 4: an episode. I believe this shit's real as fuck.
Speaker 2: You ever had any kind of experiences like that, Matt,
Speaker 2: Like any crazy paranormal shit that's happened to you, that
Speaker 2: like has to be coming from the other side in
Speaker 2: some kind of way.
Speaker 3: Well, I met a ghost once, see, which is weird
Speaker 3: because I don't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 7: Sane even still after your encounter food, I was working
Speaker 7: for a catering company.
Speaker 3: I was delivering food to an old hotel and I
Speaker 3: had to use the loading dock with the service elevator,
Speaker 3: and the service elevator came out to like a service
Speaker 3: hallway where they they just stacked a bunch of junk,
Speaker 3: like old bed frames and tea were just in this hallway.
Speaker 3: And I've got this food cart full of bread racks
Speaker 3: and cameras, and I'm trying to navigate it down the
Speaker 3: hallway towards the kitchen. And at the end of the
Speaker 3: hallway it is like an L shaped turn and then
Speaker 3: another like just around the corner into the kitchen. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to pull it around the curb, and I hear
Speaker 3: a woman from behind me. She either said do you
Speaker 3: need help or can I help you? Something like that,
Speaker 3: and I built somebody behind me and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I got it, and I yanked it around the corner
Speaker 3: and I got it into the kitchen and when I
Speaker 3: turned around, I turned around to say, see, I told
Speaker 3: you i'd get it, and no one was there. But
Speaker 3: the door to the dining hall from the kitchen was
Speaker 3: like one of those saloon doors or restaurant doors that
Speaker 3: just kind of swings, and it was swinging a little bit,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, oh, they must have gone out there.
Speaker 3: So I walked over and all the lights in the
Speaker 3: dining hall are off. So I walk across the dining
Speaker 3: hall and all of the doors through the dining hall
Speaker 3: are lot and I'm like, okay, they must be either
Speaker 3: really fast or you know whatever. So I finish what
Speaker 3: I'm doing. I go back down and I give the
Speaker 3: key to the loading dock to the guy at the
Speaker 3: front counter, and I'm like, by the way, are there
Speaker 3: any like maids or what are they, you know, workers
Speaker 3: on tonight? And he's like no, I'm the only one here.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, there's no could there's nobody up there
Speaker 3: Because somebody was asked if they could help me, or
Speaker 3: there was like a woman I don't remember what I
Speaker 3: spent to him and he's like, oh, you just met
Speaker 3: the Lady of the house. And I'm like, the what now.
Speaker 3: He told some story of a previous owner of the hotel.
Speaker 3: His wife was known as the Lady of the house,
Speaker 3: and she like offed herself or hung herself in the
Speaker 3: dining room. And she just shows up every once in
Speaker 3: a while. Is isn't like mean or anything. She's there
Speaker 3: and everybody that works there knows about it. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: all right, ghost, that's neat. But that was like when
Speaker 3: I was probably eighteen or nineteen years old. But more recently,
Speaker 3: my mom's got ghosts. She sees these three little kid
Speaker 3: ghosts like all like quite a bit. Just the other night,
Speaker 3: I think it was last Thursday night. I was watching
Speaker 3: TV and she comes through it or like does something
Speaker 3: turns around. She goes, oh, there go the troops, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, who the what now? She goes, there goes
Speaker 3: the little the three kids that are wearing like plaid jumpers,
Speaker 3: two little girls and a little boy.
Speaker 4: Plaid jumpers.
Speaker 3: Dude, Like the little girls are wearing plaid like jumper
Speaker 3: type dresses and the kid is just I guess he's
Speaker 3: just wearing pants and a shirt. I don't know what
Speaker 3: he's wearing, but little kid. Ghosts just visit her every
Speaker 3: once in a while, don't do any thing. She sees
Speaker 3: them for a minute and then they disappear. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, so I pulled my camera out and
Speaker 3: I'm like looking for orbs or or anything. I'm putting
Speaker 3: the filters on so I can see different stuff. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I downloaded that ghost app a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago. Because this has been going on for like
Speaker 3: a year. They'll show up at her church, they show
Speaker 3: up around the house a lot. She'll just be like
Speaker 3: walking through it. Oh, there they go. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's neat. Feel free to not tell me.
Speaker 4: So, I don't believe in ghosties, at least not in
Speaker 4: the sense that Hollywood has made them out to be. Right.
Speaker 3: I don't think it makes any sense.
Speaker 4: Right, there's a few exceptions to that for myself anyway, Like, uh,
Speaker 4: and just only an example like Gettysburg for instance, right,
Speaker 4: or or some sort of a battleground or a hurt.
Speaker 3: It could be their traumatic energy.
Speaker 4: Exactly a place where like there was a lot of
Speaker 4: death and a lot of pain, and like that type
Speaker 4: of blood soaked the ground, and like you've been.
Speaker 3: To Gettysburg, I've spent the night in Penhurst, like I've
Speaker 3: been a bunch of places that are known to be haunted,
Speaker 3: never fell to anything.
Speaker 4: But then the other side of that is I think
Speaker 4: I got a little ruined on that one as a kid,
Speaker 4: because I mean, like, for instance, my demon story, my
Speaker 4: demon presented itself to me as my dead grandmother for
Speaker 4: a year before it showed itself to be a demon.
Speaker 4: So right off the rip, before I ever heard any
Speaker 4: other outside sources trying to tell me what I was seeing,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking like, okay, so everything that's claiming to be
Speaker 4: a ghost is a demon. Got you cool. But then
Speaker 4: even further than that, like the Myrtle's Plantation. It's listed
Speaker 4: as one of the most haunted places in America. Bro
Speaker 4: my godmother lived there for the majority of her childhood.
Speaker 4: Her family, her parents owned the plantation, and they lived
Speaker 4: there for years and never had one, not one paranormal
Speaker 4: experience for the entire time they were there. They sold
Speaker 4: the place because it's a bitch and a half to
Speaker 4: upkeat and an Antebellum Plantation because you have to do
Speaker 4: everything per historical things, and like it's expensive to just
Speaker 4: do any kind of maintenance on the spot. So they
Speaker 4: sold it to some people, who sold it to some
Speaker 4: people who sold it to some Hollywood people. Next thing,
Speaker 4: you know, in the early nineties, the Myrtles Plantation in Louisiana,
Speaker 4: and they have all these stories about these slaves that
Speaker 4: had this happen to them. And you could still smell
Speaker 4: the lemon pledge when you go into this room, and
Speaker 4: it's like, no, no, none of that's accurate. That's completely
Speaker 4: dramatized for Hollywood. And it's you can go and stay
Speaker 4: the night there right now. They do that thing, and
Speaker 4: it's a whole it's cool. It's a really cool spot.
Speaker 4: But like zero percent haunted are paranormal. But if you
Speaker 4: ask other people that stayed there and they paid the
Speaker 4: money for it, oh man, I felt some presences while
Speaker 4: I was there, and this and this, and it's like
Speaker 4: that you did, homie, So you don't.
Speaker 2: You don't believe in any like hauntings at all.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Why your spirit would stick around exactly?
Speaker 2: I just well, is it.
Speaker 3: Somewhere to go. Why wouldn't you go?
Speaker 2: I mean, is it possible that you have the choice
Speaker 2: to stick around because you're attached to this world in
Speaker 2: one way or another? Like you. I've I've heard stories
Speaker 2: about how somebody, you know, whenever they die, you know,
Speaker 2: let's just say, I mean, what if they what if
Speaker 2: they died in a freak accident that it wasn't something
Speaker 2: that they knew was about to happen or something like that. Normally,
Speaker 2: if you're getting like a heart attack or you're dying, like,
Speaker 2: you have a little bit of time. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying you have a little bit of time to prepare
Speaker 2: for death, but you at least know that maybe you
Speaker 2: might be knocking on death's door. Whereas if you get
Speaker 2: I don't know, hit by a fucking bus when you're
Speaker 2: crossing the street, maybe it would take you a little
Speaker 2: bit of time to realize that you're actually dead, because
Speaker 2: maybe you don't remember existing outside of a body at
Speaker 2: any time before that, if you ever did. And so
Speaker 2: there's there's that possibility, Then there's also the possibility of, like, well,
Speaker 2: is it possible that that person was so attached to
Speaker 2: this earth, whether it was because of drugs or alcohol,
Speaker 2: or sex or maybe they're they're they're just chant like
Speaker 2: hanging around because they want to watch over their kids
Speaker 2: or their mother or something like that. That's that's the
Speaker 2: stories I've heard as far as like hauntings go. But
Speaker 2: typically from what I understand, wherever that person died is
Speaker 2: they can't leave, like they can't leave that house or
Speaker 2: wherever that area whatever they're attached to that place. I
Speaker 2: don't know this is the Lord.
Speaker 3: I only believe in the par and normal. But I
Speaker 3: think if something makes contact and influences you, I think
Speaker 3: that is probably some sort of entity or what other
Speaker 3: people would refer to as a demon from a different
Speaker 3: dimension that is breaking through and is able to influence
Speaker 3: or or affect you and your surroundings and your frame
Speaker 3: of mind. But also there's a a theory that if
Speaker 3: it is a person or the spirit of a person,
Speaker 3: or a physical person that's not actually there, it could
Speaker 3: be a time travel portal like a like a very
Speaker 3: like a portal in an area that's very energetic or
Speaker 3: not energetic to the wrong word, like the frequency in
Speaker 3: the human residence and all that centers on one spot,
Speaker 3: and if you're seeing through to a different time period
Speaker 3: where you're seeing like people in colonial garb or whatever.
Speaker 3: That could be time travel portal probably there, that's possible.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude, I know.
Speaker 4: I mean somebody's like die suddenly. Most people die suddenly,
Speaker 4: Like most people do not know their death is coming
Speaker 4: upon them, and they just slowly drift off into death.
Speaker 4: Most people they're not like prepared for it and might.
Speaker 3: Die and have to stick around. I'm gonna be pissed.
Speaker 4: I yeah, no, I fuck that. I got so much
Speaker 4: better shit to do. But at the same time, right,
Speaker 4: that it depends on the location, right, Like you had
Speaker 4: these what was that the murder hotel, right, and this
Speaker 4: dude would take in people and torture them to death,
Speaker 4: thank you. Yeah, So to say that maybe some of
Speaker 4: their souls or spirits are trapped there in some sort
Speaker 4: of a place of torment or like I brought up earlier,
Speaker 4: some sort of a battlefield where it's like understood that
Speaker 4: there was a lot of torment and pain and death
Speaker 4: and anguish here, and like the soil itself has now
Speaker 4: been corrupted by that type of spirit. I'll give you
Speaker 4: a little bit of gray area there. I don't have
Speaker 4: like a clean cut answer for that. But for the
Speaker 4: majority of the ghosties that we hear about from TV
Speaker 4: or from any of these stories. Yeah, I'm with you, Maddie.
Speaker 4: I believe they're more like more entities than anything. Especially
Speaker 4: like you said, Jonathan, somebody was so attached to the
Speaker 4: earth because of drugs or alcohol whatever. I believe those
Speaker 4: things hold demonic spirits within them, So that makes perfect
Speaker 4: sense to me that something would be stuck there trying
Speaker 4: to portray the image or likeness of this person that's
Speaker 4: passed on, but it's still just the demon.
Speaker 3: I also did a video recently where Pocahontas is haunted
Speaker 3: by a shadow person. The lady that voiced Pocahontas in
Speaker 3: the Disney movie.
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you made Old Warren. What's her name, Elizabeth?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, not that. Somebody made that joke
Speaker 3: and it totally went over my head until I looked
Speaker 3: it up. Yeah, I totally missed that joke. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the lady that voiced Pocahontas, her name is something Riard.
Speaker 3: She was in a mental health facility and she's started
Speaker 3: doing the normal thing where she started freaking out in
Speaker 3: a cop that was called there to control the situation
Speaker 3: turned to go down a hallway because she was like
Speaker 3: running away from him, and when his body cam pans around,
Speaker 3: you can see a shadow just appear on the floor
Speaker 3: and then move like wavy move like an animal almost
Speaker 3: and go through the wall. And I've slowed it down,
Speaker 3: zoomed in taking screenshots and I'm like, what could that?
Speaker 3: That's it? Because lights not going through it, Light's not
Speaker 3: affecting it. And it's not something that like a like
Speaker 3: a rug or something that she kicked up. It's not
Speaker 3: a camera flare. It's not fancy editing because it comes.
Speaker 3: I've tried to find the closest thing to the original
Speaker 3: body cam footage that I could, and it definitely just appears,
Speaker 3: does a little move and goes straight through the wall.
Speaker 3: And I'm My theory is that the officer was getting
Speaker 3: ready to taser. These shadow people are in fact like
Speaker 3: at essence electromagnetic frequencies. If he were to tase her,
Speaker 3: he would hurt the shadow person. So the shadow person
Speaker 3: was like, don't tase me, bro, and like looked out
Speaker 3: of there.
Speaker 4: Now. I wonder along what you're saying here. I wonder
Speaker 4: how much the people that are suffering from real mental disorders,
Speaker 4: how much of that is demons presenting themselves in such
Speaker 4: a way. Now, I don't want to get puritant about it,
Speaker 4: right and say, oh, this person has seizures, they're possessed
Speaker 4: by a spirit like not in every case. I get this,
Speaker 4: but I'd be very curious how much of that can
Speaker 4: truly be linked to this.
Speaker 3: I would say a fair amount.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, even if.
Speaker 3: It's not possessing you, it can influence.
Speaker 4: You, absolutely well.
Speaker 2: I found the story and there's a little bit more too.
Speaker 2: It turns out she's a bit of an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: And she smokes rocks.
Speaker 4: Oh she probably do do we or do we not
Speaker 4: believe that alcohol and crack holds demonic sperience within it?
Speaker 3: A demon rum?
Speaker 4: Come on now?
Speaker 2: Aw cool indeed? But yeah, it says. The actress most
Speaker 2: known for voicing the titular character in the nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: five Disney animated film Pocahontas, was arrested for disorderly conduct
Speaker 2: on August nineteenth in Xenia, Ohio, according to the City
Speaker 2: Police Department in Zenia, Zanias. I know how you say that?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 2: Anyway, The Zania Police Division report, obtained by E News authority,
Speaker 2: said badard, which is Pocahontas was taken into custody after
Speaker 2: two officers observed a woman on the sidewalk arguing with
Speaker 2: the fifty five year old, who then walked out into
Speaker 2: the street screaming without any regard for traffic. Police said
Speaker 2: in the report that Badard had a strong odor of
Speaker 2: an alcoholic beverage on her breath when one of the
Speaker 2: officers approached her at the scene. When asked if she
Speaker 2: drank anything today, she said that she did, but she
Speaker 2: did say that she drank a whole bottle of vodka yesterday.
Speaker 2: I attempted to try to give her. I attempted to
Speaker 2: try to get her to give me a name of
Speaker 2: someone who could come and care for but she would
Speaker 2: not give me anything. I also offered to take her
Speaker 2: to the hospital, but she said the hospital wouldn't help her.
Speaker 2: During their interaction, the officer said Bernard's emotions changed rapidly,
Speaker 2: explaining that she she would be talking to us calmly
Speaker 2: at one point and then quickly become upset and crying
Speaker 2: at another. And he was reached out to Bernard on
Speaker 2: social media for comment, but hasn't heard back. She doesn't
Speaker 2: appear to have a rep or a lawyer on record
Speaker 2: who could speak on her behalf. Police stated in the
Speaker 2: report that when the other woman gave gave officers a
Speaker 2: name of someone who they can contact on Bernard's behalf,
Speaker 2: the stand alum yelled, yelled that she didn't want that
Speaker 2: person called, and ran away from us, screaming. They alleged
Speaker 2: that she almost knocked over a table on the sidewalk,
Speaker 2: but stopped the street corner and walked walked back toward
Speaker 2: the officers. She then became angry at us about a
Speaker 2: previous incident where she said the police didn't help her.
Speaker 2: She banged into a large glass window as she continued
Speaker 2: to yell at us. So, dude, I would say that
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 3: A previous incident. That's the incident that they took her
Speaker 3: to the hospital and she was involuntarily admitted for a
Speaker 3: period of probably seventy two hours. I don't know what
Speaker 3: stage she was in.
Speaker 4: Oh do you remember whenever she was like on record
Speaker 4: saying that, like the real Pocahontas would be so disgusted
Speaker 4: with Donald Trump, and then Pocahontas's actual ancestor is like
Speaker 4: a diehard MAGA supporter.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, funny how that works out, isn't it?
Speaker 2: But no, it's funny or it's not funny. It's just
Speaker 2: that you kind of see this kind of behavior, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever somebody is a hardcore alcoholic or a drug abuser
Speaker 2: or something like that, doesn't it seem likely that there
Speaker 2: is some kind of negative entity that is a attached to.
Speaker 3: Them, likeativity. So if you're weakening your spirit with spirits,
Speaker 3: it makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, well, negativity and fear, you know, you know, it's
Speaker 2: an emotional thing, you know, And that's actually what they say, like,
Speaker 2: you know, in in any kind of spiritual sense, like
Speaker 2: the more not gonna say that the more emotional you are,
Speaker 2: like the stronger it is. But I maybe that is
Speaker 2: the case, you know, like a maybe, yeah exactly, Maybe
Speaker 2: you're a little bit more susceptible, you know, your emotions
Speaker 2: are what is fueling this entity, whether it's a demon
Speaker 2: or a ghost or poultr geist or whatever the case
Speaker 2: may be. Could it be that somehow? And this is
Speaker 2: actually what I believe demons are. And I believe that
Speaker 2: what demons are are kind of negatively energized thought thought
Speaker 2: forms that are manifested in a sense. I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't I don't believe that people, you know, I believe
Speaker 2: that people can be in touch with the demon. I
Speaker 2: think that you can probably be harassed by a demon,
Speaker 2: as Jacob wants witnessed. But I think that there's still
Speaker 2: there's like a lot to learn about demons, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that it's just so cut and dry that well,
Speaker 2: this is clearly a demon from hell, you know. I
Speaker 2: actually what I believe. I think that they're actually manifested,
Speaker 2: and I think that you can probably sick them on
Speaker 2: other people too. And I learned that from your boy
Speaker 2: Lord Byron Jester. He says that, you know, if he
Speaker 2: wanted to, he could basically elicit a demon to come
Speaker 2: and take care of his of his light work in
Speaker 2: a sense to put it lightly, well, I.
Speaker 4: Feel like if you're making deals with demons, your mind.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing, like, we don't there's there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of different understandings as to what demons actually are.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that they're necessarily something you should
Speaker 2: be fucking with by any means, because there always seems
Speaker 2: to be a deal that has to be made, and
Speaker 2: so I would never want to make a deal with
Speaker 2: the demon by any means, like I just I just
Speaker 2: talk to people that do.
Speaker 3: That's meditation and going into that fourth dimension for astral projection.
Speaker 3: I just remembered another one. In twenty sixteen. I got
Speaker 3: really into transcendental meditation and started reading up on astral
Speaker 3: projection and trying to do it, and I wanted to
Speaker 3: experience it. But whenever I would start that process, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, oh, it's working, and then it wouldn't work.
Speaker 3: But one night, I had just some white noise playing
Speaker 3: in the background, just going to sleep, doing my I'm
Speaker 3: gonna locid dream stuff, and all of a sudden, my
Speaker 3: feet began to vibrate, and I'm like, that's cool. I'm
Speaker 3: going to just concentrate on that and just see what happens.
Speaker 3: Not with any expectations. I didn't. I wasn't going into
Speaker 3: trying to meditate or setting up any protections or anything
Speaker 3: like that. And all of a sudden it started going
Speaker 3: up until my whole body was vibrating, starting from my
Speaker 3: feet all the way up, and then my feet began
Speaker 3: to lift, and I'm like, that feels really cool. I
Speaker 3: didn't think anything of it other than it just feels cool.
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm wondering. I wonder what's happening. And then
Speaker 3: it's like I almost became totally weightless and decided like
Speaker 3: I guess it's over now, and opened my eyes and
Speaker 3: I was looking down on myself while I was sleeping,
Speaker 3: so I was above myself, looking down at myself and
Speaker 3: my dog because my dog sleeps with me, and I'm like, WHOA,
Speaker 3: I did it. I didn't even have to like imagine
Speaker 3: the rope ladder and I'm pulling myself up like totally,
Speaker 3: it's just my brain. Now what do I do? And
Speaker 3: as I like started to try and figure out, like
Speaker 3: what should I do next? I felt two like presences,
Speaker 3: like dark presences right here, like right up on both
Speaker 3: my shoulders, like right next to my ears, and I
Speaker 3: didn't want to look at them or acknowledge them because
Speaker 3: I didn't know what they were gonna do. So I
Speaker 3: just started like hyperventilating and freaking out and just screaming
Speaker 3: at myself to wake up, like I need to get
Speaker 3: back in. Uh, They're they're gonna trap me outside of
Speaker 3: my body, I'm like. And then I eventually woke up
Speaker 3: and just shot up screaming, wake up. And then I
Speaker 3: just turned on all the lights and didn't didn't go
Speaker 3: back to sleep. Yeah, I was like, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 3: can't get me shadow people. I would I'm.
Speaker 2: Smarter than you. Yeah, I mean that's some of the
Speaker 2: stories that you hear, you know, so and and and
Speaker 2: trust me, I'm as interested in aster projection and all
Speaker 2: that shit is as much as anybody else is. But
Speaker 2: I have heard stories very similar to that that if
Speaker 2: you mean a little bit too far away from your
Speaker 2: body as you're trying to astor project, something could take
Speaker 2: over the vehicle potentially. I mean I asked or projected
Speaker 2: one time, almost on accident, but I was able to
Speaker 2: get back to my body, and you know, nothing really,
Speaker 2: nothing didn't demonic or dark or anything happened to me.
Speaker 2: I've been trying to make it happen again. It's just
Speaker 2: it's harder than it looks.
Speaker 3: But I think when you're trying to make it happen
Speaker 3: is when it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, it has to be like a surrender
Speaker 2: to the situation kind of thing. But I feel like
Speaker 2: I think for adults, well pretty much anybody over seven
Speaker 2: years old, this is what I'll say about this. I
Speaker 2: think that anybody over seven years old. You have to
Speaker 2: get into that state of mind where you're in a
Speaker 2: deep meditative state or you're getting ready to fall asleep,
Speaker 2: or maybe you were already sleeping or something like that.
Speaker 2: It has to be, you know, something.
Speaker 4: Like, what's that why seven years old?
Speaker 2: Well, they say because if you think about it, like
Speaker 2: little kids all the way, they say up until seven.
Speaker 2: Some people say until nine, ten, eleven.
Speaker 3: Twelve becomes too thick, right, right.
Speaker 2: And that's pretty much what it is because little kids,
Speaker 2: they're they they like a little kid will will not
Speaker 2: experience the beta stage until they're a little bit older.
Speaker 2: So they're always in a light trance, which is why
Speaker 2: they learn so fast, because it's not necessarily that this
Speaker 2: is a completely physical place to them. Yet, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like it's still a spiritual.
Speaker 3: Everything still make believe and everything's still possible.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and like they haven't figured out the world
Speaker 2: yet and so and so I think that everybody after
Speaker 2: a certain age, I don't know, I've heard seven the
Speaker 2: most often, but I think it can go up to
Speaker 2: like eleven or twelve maybe, but typically, you know, I
Speaker 2: think that what has to happen is that you have
Speaker 2: to almost blur the lines between reality and that other place.
Speaker 2: Wherever that is, it's the dream state, it's the meditative state,
Speaker 2: wherever that is, the ether. I don't fucking know, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it. I think that that's according.
Speaker 3: To the CIA, it's the fourth dimension.
Speaker 2: That checks out, but who, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's just the Monroe Institute and the CIA.
Speaker 2: Well, and the thing about the fourth dimension, which I
Speaker 2: recently learned, is that the fourth dimension, you're it exists
Speaker 2: outside of time. Yeah, and so yeah, whenever the lines
Speaker 2: are a little bit blurry between this reality and the next,
Speaker 2: you're existing or at least perceiving that you're existing outside
Speaker 2: of time. You know, Like it's like whenever you go
Speaker 2: and you take a nap on your couch for fifteen minutes,
Speaker 2: but you lived a whole life in that dream, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But you're only sleeping there for
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Like time is a little bit more fluid
Speaker 2: in those states of mind. And that's where I think
Speaker 2: if you are going to have a demonic, a paranormal,
Speaker 2: an angelic, a spiritual, a guide, something like that, it
Speaker 2: has to happen whenever the lines are a little bit blurry.
Speaker 2: And this is why you know this, This is why
Speaker 2: I meditate frequently, because I want the lines to be
Speaker 2: blurry as much as possible. And you know what's really
Speaker 2: strange is that I remember, like whenever I get to
Speaker 2: that state of mind, especially like during meditation or like
Speaker 2: on hallucinogenics or whatever, I remember being a little kid
Speaker 2: in looking at the world in that way, which is
Speaker 2: really strange because most people you forget about it, like
Speaker 2: you forget that feeling of how you used to look
Speaker 2: at the world as if it was a lot more
Speaker 2: fluid and less physical, you know, like anything was possible.
Speaker 2: Like I remember when I was a little kid, I
Speaker 2: used to watch like Matilda was one of my favorite movies,
Speaker 2: and I used to really believe that if you really
Speaker 2: tried hard enough, that that shit could be possible. Now,
Speaker 2: of course I'm older, and I'm like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: that's just Hollywood movie magic and this is all beliefs
Speaker 2: and shit like that. Buzz But is that just my
Speaker 2: my adult mind convinced that I understand the realm that
Speaker 2: we're in. I don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, both of you meditate, or at least claim
Speaker 4: that you have meditated. In the past, how long like
Speaker 4: in the real world time wise, would you say, Jonathan
Speaker 4: and Maddy, how long do you meditate for when you
Speaker 4: do decide to meditate?
Speaker 3: It depends depends what I'm trying.
Speaker 4: To do ballpark ballpark like.
Speaker 3: Average about forty five minutes to an.
Speaker 4: Hour, Okay, Jonathan, is that about the case for you
Speaker 4: as well?
Speaker 2: Mine are a little bit shorter, mainly because I do
Speaker 2: most of my meditations on the show. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to meditate for a whole forty five minutes, but typically
Speaker 2: anywhere from fifteen to thirty I have meditated for a
Speaker 2: lot longer than that, just you know, not recently like
Speaker 2: I've I've meditated for over if.
Speaker 3: There's certain techniques that you can do to get into
Speaker 3: it within ten minutes, but you'll come out of it
Speaker 3: quick too, most of them. There's there's a guided meditations
Speaker 3: on YouTube that'll last for eight hours. Yeah, supposed to
Speaker 3: take you through your entire sleep cycle, but it's I
Speaker 3: don't know. I usually get into it before I go
Speaker 3: to bed or before I want to fall asleep, and
Speaker 3: it just it does relax you. It kind of watches
Speaker 3: away the day, and then once I do go to sleep.
Speaker 3: A lot of times I'll wake up about three or
Speaker 3: four hours into my sleep cycle, do something real quick
Speaker 3: like go get a drink of water or whatever, and
Speaker 3: then go back to sleep while doing certain mantras and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it allows you to go directly into rem sleep
Speaker 3: and lucidentery.
Speaker 2: Damn that Yeah, that sounds about right. I mean, dude.
Speaker 2: And what's really it's really strange once you become somebody
Speaker 2: who regularly meditates, because that's whenever it starts to get
Speaker 2: like more real and more out there and more anything
Speaker 2: is possible kind of thing. Like And you know, whenever
Speaker 2: I first started meditating, I would sit there for forever
Speaker 2: and nothing would happen and it but I just kept
Speaker 2: in the in the frame of mind of like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to accomplish this because I see all
Speaker 2: the people that I looked up to at the time,
Speaker 2: sad Guru and all these yogis and gurus and and
Speaker 2: shit like that. Like I was like, dude, they're all
Speaker 2: saying that they're learning all this stuff in meditation, Like
Speaker 2: I want to try that, And so I just kept
Speaker 2: on trying and trying and trying until I finally got there.
Speaker 2: I was meditating one day for like thirty minutes, just waiting,
Speaker 2: and I was just persistent with it, you know, and
Speaker 2: I finally got there and I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: something's happening. And I started to feel like all these
Speaker 2: weird like bodily it like sensations, you know, like my
Speaker 2: perception of where I was was different than where it
Speaker 2: was fifteen minutes prior. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: The muscle, right, the more you do it, the better
Speaker 4: you get at it. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why they invented or founded the Monroe Institute,
Speaker 3: because the gateway process and teaching people how to get
Speaker 3: into these states of mind, like just like that with
Speaker 3: remote viewing and that sort of thing. Now, I've never
Speaker 3: been able to remote view, but I've had a few
Speaker 3: experiences with meditation that I can't explain, like quantum higher
Speaker 3: self meditations and quantum spirit guide meditations, like stuff that
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have just made up on my own. Like
Speaker 3: quantum higher self meditations are really weird because you ask
Speaker 3: your subconscious questions that you want answers to. You don't
Speaker 3: always get answers that you're.
Speaker 2: Expected, And that's what makes it so magical because you're going.
Speaker 2: You might even go in there hoping for an answer,
Speaker 2: like you're searching for an answer, but you're hoping that
Speaker 2: it's the one that would benefit you the best or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then for some reason you get a little something
Speaker 2: else that you weren't expecting why you're in there, And
Speaker 2: it's like it's not necessarily that you hear a voice
Speaker 2: or that you it's it's it's different. You're perceiving it differently,
Speaker 2: and it almost it might even seem like it's your
Speaker 2: own self telling it to you, Like it seems like
Speaker 2: it's your own thoughts. It seems like it's your own mind.
Speaker 2: But there's something extra that's going on in there. And
Speaker 2: I I personally believe that it's just a higher perspective
Speaker 2: of yourself. And some some like to call it their
Speaker 2: higher sells whatever. I believe that I've experienced that, and
Speaker 2: so yeah, that's that's my own experience.
Speaker 3: I like to use the analogy for quantum higher self
Speaker 3: is we are the avatar and the sims. Your quantum
Speaker 3: higher self is the guy holding the controller.
Speaker 4: Okay, so, and to kind of tie it back into
Speaker 4: something else, you're Maddie whenever you do the courtboard, whenever
Speaker 4: you put up another picture and you draw another string.
Speaker 4: Another conclusion, is there any meditation that goes into that,
Speaker 4: Like you kind of do a thing, you put it
Speaker 4: up on the board just to kind of see how
Speaker 4: it looks, just see if it even makes sense out loud.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it's like a vision board type situation.
Speaker 4: That's different. But do you put that up there and
Speaker 4: then think, all right, maybe there's something to it, and
Speaker 4: then do you go and meditate on it or is
Speaker 4: it something more of the left brain versus right brain?
Speaker 4: How does that go for you?
Speaker 2: That's a good idea.
Speaker 3: Well, first, like I'll find something and it'll make sense
Speaker 3: in my head, and then I use the wall to
Speaker 3: map it all out and see if it would make
Speaker 3: sense to anybody else. And then I think about it
Speaker 3: for a while, like how would I explain this to somebody?
Speaker 3: Like because a lot of times, like even in this
Speaker 3: type of conversation, it's hard to explain what's actually going
Speaker 3: on and get the thoughts out or in a clear manner.
Speaker 3: And if I can have a picture of something, it'll
Speaker 3: remind me what the next step is. So I'm just
Speaker 3: a visual person, So that's how I can I usually
Speaker 3: do it. So if I have the thought, map it
Speaker 3: out and then try and explain it to somebody else,
Speaker 3: maybe the person is not usually there. But but how
Speaker 3: would I explain it to somebody and then go from there?
Speaker 4: I got you.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, everybody has their rhyme and their reason
Speaker 2: about how they figure stuff out, you know, and it
Speaker 2: is cool to try and see it from a different perspective. I'llbeit,
Speaker 2: even if it's your own higher perspective at that point.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm like, I'm like, I love I like,
Speaker 2: I seriously love meditation, Like there is so much goodness
Speaker 2: that you can gain from it. But yeah, anyway, that's
Speaker 2: why I meditate on every meta episode. It's fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Uh, Maddie, so are you as far as
Speaker 2: your board goes?
Speaker 4: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you play on adding anything to it here? Is
Speaker 2: there anything more that you're really looking into here lately?
Speaker 2: Or is it kind of at a standstill right now?
Speaker 3: It's been at a standstill, but it's going to start
Speaker 3: moving here pretty quick. I don't know when. I do
Speaker 3: have a plan for a whole new thing. You remember
Speaker 3: that show Joe Rogan Investigates Everything or Joe Rogan does
Speaker 3: something and he went all over the place. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: kind of what I want to do. Like with the
Speaker 3: Dwende stuff. This person's got a dwen day in their backyard.
Speaker 3: I want to go visit that person and just be like,
Speaker 3: are you fucking bullshit? Or is there actually a dwen
Speaker 3: day back here? If so, let's catch it, let's let's
Speaker 3: figure this thing out. Or like for a while there
Speaker 3: were people seeing stuff in trees, like their trees were shaken,
Speaker 3: And my thought was, have you tried shooting at it?
Speaker 4: Because, Bro, if you're talking about going like on location
Speaker 4: for this, do we have a guy for you? Have
Speaker 4: you ever heard of a guy named Scott.
Speaker 3: Pace That No, can't say that.
Speaker 4: Have so we have. We've been needing to make this happen.
Speaker 4: So Scott Pace is a friend of the show. He's
Speaker 4: been on multiple times, and he claims that he has,
Speaker 4: depending on the time of year, potentially a family of
Speaker 4: sam squatch slash tree people, slash bigfoot, whatever you want
Speaker 4: to call them, living with him. His first experience with
Speaker 4: seeing them and the dog men not wear wolves, dog
Speaker 4: men who are like the watchdogs of the Sasquatch tribe,
Speaker 4: was while hunting at Kassachi National Forest, which is not
Speaker 4: too far away from where I live. As a matter
Speaker 4: of fact, it's like Midway, not full on North Louisiana,
Speaker 4: but it's like Central Louisiana. And basically, he was hunting
Speaker 4: for deer and these creatures came out to him and
Speaker 4: made themselves known to him. And he believes that these
Speaker 4: are interdimensional angelic beings. Now we've also heard people to
Speaker 4: say that these are interdimensional nephylimic beings and they're demonically based.
Speaker 4: He does not believe this. He's been on the show.
Speaker 4: He's been on a bunch of shows. Actually, if you're
Speaker 4: talking about going on location, he has offered for us
Speaker 4: to go camping in his family land it butts up
Speaker 4: to Kassachi National Force, so we could meet them ourselves.
Speaker 4: We have been too busy. We haven't been able to
Speaker 4: make this happen. But I promise you, if you're wanting
Speaker 4: to make content out of it, he would be tickled
Speaker 4: to death to take you on a camping trip. Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm down.
Speaker 4: And he's an awesome guy. Like he's I know the
Speaker 4: story might sound a little wild, but like he's a
Speaker 4: genuinely great guy.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent down. The other trip I want
Speaker 3: to do is I'm trying to get permission to camp
Speaker 3: on the No Entry Forest in Connecticut, in Dudleyville or
Speaker 3: dudley Town.
Speaker 4: I've never heard this. To give us a little background,
Speaker 4: bro the No Entry.
Speaker 3: Forest or sorry, Dark Entry Forest.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's even better. Let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: It's just an area of Connecticut that it's basically just
Speaker 3: a deserted town that a family had owned one hundred
Speaker 3: and one hundred and thirty years ago something like that,
Speaker 3: and supposedly this family was cursed and a bunch of
Speaker 3: bad stuff happened to them all right in a row.
Speaker 3: And now that property is an overgrown forest and it's
Speaker 3: heavily patrolled by the Connecticut State Police, and no one
Speaker 3: is allowed to trespass or they will be prosecuted. And
Speaker 3: I guess the reason is vandalism. But it's not even
Speaker 3: owned by anybody anymore. It's it's just like a land
Speaker 3: that has been overgrown and overrun by a forest and
Speaker 3: no one's allowed in it. And there's people that say
Speaker 3: that there are spirits and evil entities Native American stuff.
Speaker 3: I just want to go to explore and see if
Speaker 3: I can find anything, see if anything's going on. But
Speaker 3: also there's a bait and tackle shop nearby, so I
Speaker 3: think that would be a good place to get a
Speaker 3: bunch of information on what goes on there. There's also
Speaker 3: an old hotel.
Speaker 4: You're all the something there you want to talk about?
Speaker 4: Where do you find the good old stories?
Speaker 3: Yo?
Speaker 4: The bait and tackle shop.
Speaker 3: Is where you tackle shop or an archery shop.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where you find that old cat that's been
Speaker 4: living there for sixty five years and can tell you
Speaker 4: all about back in the day up up the creek
Speaker 4: a couple miles Like, all right, whatever you're about to say,
Speaker 4: old man, I'm locked in here, fucking right.
Speaker 3: The thing that gets me is no one's allowed in
Speaker 3: there for like an unknown reason, Like they'll they state
Speaker 3: everywhere that they will prosecute you to the fullest extent
Speaker 3: if you trespass, and there's no reason to Like I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure I could do it on the sly. It's
Speaker 3: not a very big forest, like I'm pretty because it's
Speaker 3: surrounded by roads. So like, I'll just keep walking in
Speaker 3: one direction. I'm gonna hit a road and they're not
Speaker 3: gonna find me.
Speaker 2: Is this an area?
Speaker 4: Find you again, man.
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it. I'll be whatever, man like.
Speaker 2: It kind of seems like a story. It kind of
Speaker 2: seems like an Area fifty one situation.
Speaker 3: I also want to find out have you heard the
Speaker 3: story of Range four, Harry and Ringing.
Speaker 4: Where is this?
Speaker 3: Uh? It's on a military base, like an Air Force
Speaker 3: base somewhere, and I don't I don't know. Some desert
Speaker 3: in the Western United States, and there are a ton
Speaker 3: of stories of like a horse that they named Rain
Speaker 3: or Harry. But then there's also stories of like the
Speaker 3: Nordic Whites that are out there in controlling the area,
Speaker 3: or some other suterdimensional alien.
Speaker 4: What is this in the desert or like in the Northeast.
Speaker 3: No, it's in the desert. The Nordic Whites are aliens,
Speaker 3: a breed alien.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what the Nazis believed anyway, they believe. The
Speaker 4: Aaryans that they were talking about were like, uh, I
Speaker 4: think we would call them star seeds these days, but
Speaker 4: they were like from a spaceship. I read a little
Speaker 4: bit of.
Speaker 3: The There's the Draconians, there's the you know, an a Naki,
Speaker 3: There's the Nordic Whites, there's the grays. Uh, there's the
Speaker 3: Indian Blues.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all yeah, there was a bunch of weird
Speaker 4: stuff that happened on this Air Force base that no
Speaker 4: one can explain that.
Speaker 3: I just want to go see it. A five five
Speaker 3: can find anybody and if I can find them, like
Speaker 3: I got some traps and stuff.
Speaker 4: You got ghost traps, dude?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 4: You got ghost traps?
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, Like I'll take a vacuum out
Speaker 3: there and see if I can get ghosts. But like, uh,
Speaker 3: put some you know, snare traps and whatnot. See what
Speaker 3: I catch. You catch an alien, I.
Speaker 4: Wouldn't know either. But if you do find if you
Speaker 4: find an alien, we will need you to conduct a
Speaker 4: little bit of scientific research because the Internet is of
Speaker 4: the belief that aliens do in fact have cheeks to
Speaker 4: be clapped, and if that is possible, Mattie Ice, we
Speaker 4: need you to do the legwork here and find out
Speaker 4: for the rest of the world, do they in fact
Speaker 4: have them cheeks to clap? And do dem cheeks be clapping? Yeah?
Speaker 2: My thing is is, first of all, why whenever people
Speaker 2: go bigfoot hunting or ghost hunting or alien hunting, it's
Speaker 2: always hunting, you know, And what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: whenever you get it. You know, it's like like the Joker.
Speaker 3: Depends on how they react to me seeing them. If
Speaker 3: I see them and go hey and they're like hey,
Speaker 3: then we're cool and we can have a dialogue. But
Speaker 3: if I go hey and they go ah, then I
Speaker 3: gotta shoot them.
Speaker 2: That's fair, right, I mean?
Speaker 4: But then how a way we're learning science is out there? Bro,
Speaker 4: But then you gotta think, how are you going to
Speaker 4: approach them? Maybe going like hey, they'll take that as
Speaker 4: a threat, right, They may say like, oh, he's waving
Speaker 4: his arms that he clearly wants to throw down.
Speaker 3: You know, well, a superior intelligence coming here from a
Speaker 3: far far away galaxy probably would have some way to
Speaker 3: translate or understand and wouldn't just immediately be hostile if
Speaker 3: it's trying to contact us on the slide. But a
Speaker 3: cryptid that's a humanoid cryptic like a scam squache or
Speaker 3: something you might have to trap an animal.
Speaker 4: So, according to Scott Pace, the Sasquatch and the dog
Speaker 4: men both speak to humans, uh telepathically.
Speaker 3: Oh well, then even better. Then they'll know that I
Speaker 3: don't actually want to hurt them. But if they're gonna
Speaker 3: come at me, then I'm gonna be pretty agressive.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're gonna be able to uh
Speaker 2: butt up against a dog man. They seem like dis Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 3: I'm scrappy.
Speaker 4: According to what he says. He says, picture Terrell Owens
Speaker 4: with the head of a wolf, but like seven foot
Speaker 4: tall and there.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I mean, like, if everybody's gotta die,
Speaker 3: you might as well have a cool story, Like I
Speaker 3: got my head ripped off by a dog man. Like
Speaker 3: that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: I mean that that's one of that's one for the
Speaker 4: books for sure. But then if you don't make it
Speaker 4: out alive, we'll never know the story, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: Then it makes a better story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just saying you gotta come correct if you're
Speaker 4: going to be trying to talk to the ghosties and
Speaker 4: the cryptids, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But it's like, I think I'm cynical enough and
Speaker 3: logical enough that I can tell the difference between a
Speaker 3: raccoon knocking on my door and ghosts off at dark.
Speaker 2: Trust me, yes, I feel the same way. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a fucking raccoon, it wasn't a squirrel. It was more
Speaker 2: than likely some kind of evil entity or a meth head.
Speaker 4: I feel like we're saying the same thing in different
Speaker 4: ways right now. I don't know. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: all meth heads are evil entities, but I'm saying that
Speaker 4: all meth heads are at the will of evil entities
Speaker 4: aka the myth.
Speaker 3: So like, hey, but I don't know. I would like
Speaker 3: the opportunity to go and see what's going on in
Speaker 3: these places. I feel like we get a lot of
Speaker 3: these cryptic videos of almost nothing, and we all have
Speaker 3: to speculate on what's going on. And I just want
Speaker 3: to go to these places and be like, come on,
Speaker 3: let's do a long form video. Let's video the entire thing,
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, yeah, I didn't see shit, or
Speaker 3: I saw something. I don't know what it was.
Speaker 4: But let me ask you this too. Just like you
Speaker 4: said earlier, when you're trying to ask or projector you're
Speaker 4: trying to get something out of the meditation, you typically won't.
Speaker 4: It's when you're not trying when things actually work out
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: So when you're open to it, wait.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, when you're open to it. So I'm
Speaker 4: just saying like, you can't go out there thinking like
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make long form content. We're gonna see something.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be great, because then you probably won't see shit.
Speaker 4: You gotta come in there with the right type of mentality,
Speaker 4: I suppose, setting the right intentions.
Speaker 7: As some might say, Yeah, mainly I want if something
Speaker 7: looks like it's crazy, or like like, uh, when.
Speaker 3: The Aliens landed in that guy's backyard in Las Vegas,
Speaker 3: I'd love to go talk to those people, like right
Speaker 3: as it's happening, or uh, be in Miami the day
Speaker 3: after the portal opens and everybody's going nuts about that,
Speaker 3: I'd love to since all of the cops were there,
Speaker 3: I would love to go to a couple cop bars
Speaker 3: and be like, hey, did you see something? And you
Speaker 3: can be like and they're probably not going to tell
Speaker 3: you anything, or they're gonna be like, no, nothing happened,
Speaker 3: or they'll be like nothing happened. Something happened, like you know,
Speaker 3: that be the judge of it. But I just want
Speaker 3: the opportunity to do a little bit of impartial investigation.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I've always envisioned that the cult of Conspiracy would evolve
Speaker 2: to doing that kind of detective work, you know, like
Speaker 2: going there on the spot. I don't you know, as
Speaker 2: far as all the Epstein files and the JFK files,
Speaker 2: I'm not very interested in going and checking out DC
Speaker 2: and reporting on some politician that's gonna give me a
Speaker 2: fluff story. I want to go to the place if
Speaker 2: somebody's having a ghost encounter, if somebody had an alien encounter,
Speaker 2: somebody saw a fucking gnome or whatever, like, yeah, that
Speaker 2: sounds awesome. I want to go out to Area fifty one.
Speaker 2: I want to check out the Pyramids of Giza. I
Speaker 2: want to like, like, these are the things that I
Speaker 2: have kind of always imagined from the very beginning, that
Speaker 2: we would be going and investigating on the spot. That
Speaker 2: just seems like the natural progression, right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I don't want to get any like
Speaker 3: I'm not going out to see a sasquatch. One. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go out and see what this guy is seeing,
Speaker 3: like and I'm not gonna report it like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: this guy saw a sasquatch. I'm like, this guy says
Speaker 3: he saw a sasquatch, Let's see what he has to say.
Speaker 3: Sounds plausible. Let's go see if we can find one.
Speaker 2: Yes, properly investigated. Yeah, that would be that would be wild.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, people got stories for days. I mean
Speaker 2: mostly I I don't know if there's a single person
Speaker 2: that I have I've ever talked to that doesn't have
Speaker 2: some kind of paranormal story, right, Like whether you've experienced
Speaker 2: ghosts or demons or the Pleadians or whoever they can,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, maybe it's God, whatever, like, but you've
Speaker 2: experienced something outside of the visual realm in which we exist,
Speaker 2: and those are I just love.
Speaker 3: That kind of like Project Blue Book, where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what you experienced. Let's see if there could be
Speaker 3: a different cause, let's see if there is you know,
Speaker 3: something glaring a light glaring off of a pond that
Speaker 3: makes it look like there's a UFO in the sky,
Speaker 3: or you know, swamp gasses or whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not a scientist, but I could at least like
Speaker 3: be like, hey, there's something there and have somebody else
Speaker 3: explain it to me.
Speaker 2: Oh bro, I'm I really I honestly, like I dream
Speaker 2: about sneaking into Skinwalker Ranch like that just sounds so sick.
Speaker 2: I want to if something is actually really going on there,
Speaker 2: like they all say I want to see it for
Speaker 2: my own eyes, and if it's demonic or you know,
Speaker 2: negatively filled, that's fine. I want to see that ship too,
Speaker 2: you know. Like, and I'm not saying that I'm open
Speaker 2: opening up my soul to allow these these demons to
Speaker 2: squat on me by any means, but I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: still interested, Like I just want to know, like, are
Speaker 2: these things actually existing out there or is this some
Speaker 2: kind of scare tactic type story as to why you
Speaker 2: shouldn't be messing around in the spiritual realm?
Speaker 3: You know, like where the side of the mountain opened
Speaker 3: up to a giant door and people are like, that's
Speaker 3: the Nephelum's door. Like, I'm gonna go over there and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see you, you know, if it's just a
Speaker 3: piece of rock that looks like a door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say that about the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I also want to have a local guy
Speaker 3: take me into the Grand Canyon to show me where
Speaker 3: these taverns are.
Speaker 2: Yes, what is this little creature?
Speaker 4: Bruce, Mexico? Bro, They got goblins apparently in caves. This
Speaker 4: actually was just sent to me last night by one.
Speaker 3: Of our.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: What to call that, Bro, You know, I'd joint that
Speaker 3: out of the hole so quick. Bro.
Speaker 2: Is that fucking Dobby from Harry Potter.
Speaker 4: It says it's a goblin in a cave in Veracruz, Mexico. Look,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, Maddie Ice, as you're going in your
Speaker 4: travels here, you may be able to go to some
Speaker 4: pretty cool places to try to figure out what the
Speaker 4: hell is going on.
Speaker 3: Oh you wink at goblin out of a hole, just like,
Speaker 3: what do you do with goblin?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to shoot that thing first, though, Bro.
Speaker 3: No, I just put a pair of gloves on and
Speaker 3: just grab it like it's a copperhead or something.
Speaker 2: I want to take that little baby home, nurse it
Speaker 2: a little bit, give it a little milk, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe throw a diaper on that fucking thing.
Speaker 4: Dude, you were crazy, Dude. I'm not saying I would
Speaker 4: shooting immediately, but I would definitely proceed with caution. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't bring it home.
Speaker 2: It was a cute little baby.
Speaker 3: But also, duck billed platypus have venom in their back legs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a female platypus can kill you.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's also crazy. The plata pie have existed longer than
Speaker 4: most animals on the Earth yet or human understanding. They
Speaker 4: were discovered in the late seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 3: They're genetic experiments left by a previous civilization. There's no
Speaker 3: way that they actually evolved from whatever. They're a mammal
Speaker 3: that lays eggs and have no teeth but a duck bill,
Speaker 3: and they can't even digest the food that they eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that's God. I'm mean with my beliefs, Yes, yes,
Speaker 4: but I believe that God pretty much had a bunch
Speaker 4: of spare parts at the end of creation just do
Speaker 4: it together and said, ha, yeah, that'll work. Just send it.
Speaker 3: Why not just send it out? It's fine.
Speaker 4: I mean the same on bat in Australia, it poops cubes.
Speaker 4: Why does it digestive track make perfect cubes as it shits?
Speaker 4: That makes no sense. God's just like Australia is just
Speaker 4: gonna be this one spot that sucks up everybody's understanding
Speaker 4: of reality. I like it.
Speaker 2: I mean the same. The same could be said.
Speaker 3: I have brains in all of their tentacles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, octopuses are awesome.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: They don't make sense.
Speaker 2: Shout out tomorrow.
Speaker 3: With all this crazy shit that's actually in the world
Speaker 3: when I when I go find some more crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's the real sentient being Sorry, there is the octopus, dude,
Speaker 2: That's why my tulpa is an octopus, because like, name
Speaker 2: another animal that you wish was guiding you through the
Speaker 2: ethereal realm, one that would be as smart as an octopus.
Speaker 2: I mean I think that they're probably aliens. Dolphins would be.
Speaker 2: It's a little gay though, you know, like dolphins are.
Speaker 3: Why aren't we allowed to talk to them? It's actually
Speaker 3: it's illegally not allowed to talk to them. That's a law.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: They're not allowed to have contact with a wild dolphin
Speaker 3: and they understand language.
Speaker 4: Isn't that because they're endangered? A could with them.
Speaker 3: I could also could be that they know where Atlantis.
Speaker 4: Is, yeah, or where the mermaids are exactly, and they
Speaker 4: know the humans are hunting them.
Speaker 2: The uh panda bear is quite the quite the thing too.
Speaker 3: Though the panda bear has to be a genetic experiment.
Speaker 3: There's no way that thing survived in the wild at all.
Speaker 2: Only native to China, of all places, just only China,
Speaker 2: and there's nobody.
Speaker 3: Thinks that they were genetically created to clear bamboo.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard that, good job of it.
Speaker 2: Like, how is that? How is that animal going to
Speaker 2: exist out there in the wild, Like you're talking about
Speaker 2: all the centuries of existence whenever they were first here, right,
Speaker 2: Like imagine fucking Noah, he's all, yo, get on my boat,
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna take you. You're gonna exist. But then
Speaker 2: after that you're kinda you know, you're to yourself for
Speaker 2: the next couple of thousand years, and so these things
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 4: Yea ye, dude.
Speaker 2: And like they're the clumsiest fucking things ever. And they're
Speaker 2: pretty small.
Speaker 4: But they have no natural Pandas are not small. Pandas
Speaker 4: are fucking huge, dude. They have no natural predators. They
Speaker 4: just sit around and eat bamboo and nothing fucks with them.
Speaker 4: And they don't fuck with nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not the biggest bear, No.
Speaker 4: Not the biggest, but they are definitely larger than like man, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, black bears aren't that big.
Speaker 4: Though they get about eight foot tall.
Speaker 2: Pandas do.
Speaker 4: No black bears, and pandas are larger than them.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I haven't watched fucking Animal Planet here lately.
Speaker 2: Jacob Jesus, while you're frying me on panda history.
Speaker 3: Got to know where the monsters are.
Speaker 2: You know what I need to I need to see
Speaker 2: this for myself.
Speaker 4: I personally wish I could have a pet panda bear
Speaker 4: like and let it get to full size. It's not
Speaker 4: going to fuck with you. It's never going to attack you.
Speaker 4: It's it's just gonna sit around and be clumsy and
Speaker 4: eat bamboo. And I have so many family members with
Speaker 4: bamboo te like taking over their land. I got the
Speaker 4: food source man, but Oji made it to where it's
Speaker 4: illegal for pandas to be anywhere but China because he's
Speaker 4: a prick. Whatever. We could have fucking tigers in the
Speaker 4: stale Louisiana for five hundred dollars. I can get a
Speaker 4: tiger cub sent to me in a month and no
Speaker 4: extra licenses are required for that shit. But a panda, yeah,
Speaker 4: it will be a whole international incident.
Speaker 3: That's fucking bullshits are terrifying.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Again, I would like a pet tiger, uh,
Speaker 4: but I won't for multiple reasons. The best ex the
Speaker 4: sample of one that I saw was this guy who
Speaker 4: only fed at cat food. This tiger had never tasted
Speaker 4: meat or any type of flesh. The day that that
Speaker 4: tiger ever tasted blood, he said he was gonna get
Speaker 4: rid of it, cause basically the tiger was basically just
Speaker 4: a giant house cat. It had no like predatory instincts
Speaker 4: like that. It was from captivity, only fed cat food
Speaker 4: from a bag. This whole nine. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I can see where you're going here. But Bro, the
Speaker 4: first time you fuck up and you have like a
Speaker 4: cut on your hand and you're playing with the tiger
Speaker 4: and it licks it like it's over, Like the cat's
Speaker 4: gonna remember the call of the wild.
Speaker 2: Bro, Jacob, I just fact check you, sir, and you
Speaker 2: are wrong. I knew I was right about the panda.
Speaker 2: They're not big, dude.
Speaker 4: Get that's tall, dude.
Speaker 3: They six feet.
Speaker 2: Its body is rotund. Adult individuals weigh two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty to two hundred and fifty four pounds.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: I'm two, I'm fucking two thirty.
Speaker 4: How tall do they get?
Speaker 2: Three feet eleven three feet eleven to six foot three
Speaker 2: six three that's as tall as you.
Speaker 4: That's not huge for a fucking bear.
Speaker 2: For a I don't know, that's pretty small for a bear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, think about it, black bears are taller than them.
Speaker 4: I'll be damned. I thought pandas got bigger than that, dude.
Speaker 2: Pandas are my favorite animal. Like, I knew that they
Speaker 2: had to have been smaller than you. You made me
Speaker 2: question my own sanity. I'm like, what they're they're They're
Speaker 2: over eight nine ten feet tall, and they're humongous. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know they're called giant pandas, but they're not giant.
Speaker 4: I guess because they're so wide looking. It's mostly fluff.
Speaker 4: I guess that, like it's an optical illusion. When you're
Speaker 4: watching them on TV or something, they look taller than
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's mainly fat too.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 2: You know, fat don't win as much as most of
Speaker 2: it's just that, I know, yeah, getting fat off a bamboo,
Speaker 2: how does that make sense?
Speaker 4: It's fucking crazy. I am wrong. I'm not an expert
Speaker 4: on pandas, but I really like.
Speaker 2: You really made me question my own sanity, sir. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm glad you.
Speaker 4: Checked me because I honestly didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: Speaking of optical illusions, have you ever seen the incredible
Speaker 3: shrinking mill in Ontario? Canada. No, if you're in the
Speaker 3: mood to look something up, just type just google incredible shrinking.
Speaker 4: Mill mill like a like a windmill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's a it's a saw mill where maybe
Speaker 3: I don't know, some type of mill. Okay, but there
Speaker 3: is this mill or industrial building that is across the
Speaker 3: bay and when you drive down the road, it looks
Speaker 3: like the entire end of the road is an eclipse
Speaker 3: by this mill. And as you get closer, it shrinks,
Speaker 3: where when it should when you get closer, it should
Speaker 3: get bigger. Right when you get closer at shrinks. Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen this before. I'm trying to see if
Speaker 2: I can find the video. Why has it gotta be
Speaker 2: such a pain in the ass. I've seen this video
Speaker 2: probably twenty times at least.
Speaker 4: Tubes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is all right, I found it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is trippy, dude, this is super trippy. Let me
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Speaker 2: to join us for the live shows, but it's completely Yeah, buddy,
Speaker 2: that was kind of a That was a great alley
Speaker 2: up there, sir, good good.
Speaker 4: I literally have my finger on the button hoping that
Speaker 4: you would and then you did. See y' all that's
Speaker 4: that synchronization, that's that telepathy shit.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah. So yeah, all right, well let's check it out.
Speaker 2: The incredible Shrinking Mill. So here this guy is from
Speaker 2: this perspective, this is the building that he's alluding to.
Speaker 2: It seems pretty fucking massive from this point of view, right,
Speaker 2: so yeah, we don't need that music. But all right,
Speaker 2: you're getting closer to it. It seems pretty big, but
Speaker 2: it starts getting smaller the closer you get to it.
Speaker 2: Pretty strange, right, smaller and smaller? How does something get
Speaker 2: smaller the closer you get to it.
Speaker 4: Like the other side of a hill or a vine
Speaker 4: or some shit.
Speaker 2: Just way, dude, this shit is trippy. Look look how
Speaker 2: much smaller it's getting the closer he is to it.
Speaker 2: That's all it is.
Speaker 4: It's on the other side of a river, damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a bay or a river or something.
Speaker 3: So it has something to do with the refracted light.
Speaker 3: When you're coming through the mountains. Sometimes there's like a
Speaker 3: mist or a fog, and it makes the mountains look
Speaker 3: like they're bigger than they actually are. And it also
Speaker 3: happens with the moon. A bunch of people told me
Speaker 3: how stuff works, But I still just think it's a
Speaker 3: glitch in the matrix.
Speaker 4: Could be both.
Speaker 2: Good, It very well could be both. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude, I think that it's a matrix. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: you know, like this world is just such a strange place, dude.
Speaker 2: I just love discovering like all of the cool like
Speaker 2: things that don't necessarily match, like the strange mismatches, even
Speaker 2: like the Mandela effect. I don't know. Some of them,
Speaker 2: I guess are pretty explainable, but not all of them.
Speaker 3: I mean, if they're not trying to gaslight us somehow,
Speaker 3: like if there's not some greater power to it, or
Speaker 3: some great cabal of people trying to gaslight all of
Speaker 3: humanity and change history. If that is not the case,
Speaker 3: why do certain actors that acted in movies say the
Speaker 3: lines wrong that we all think they said, Like when
Speaker 3: oh Man, now I can't remember his name, the guy
Speaker 3: from Field of Dreams, If you build it, they will come.
Speaker 2: Oh I know you're talking.
Speaker 3: About build it, he will come. Kevin Costner in an interview,
Speaker 3: he says the line wrong, the guy from the Tonight Show,
Speaker 3: what's his name, Larry King? No, David Letterman. David Letterman
Speaker 3: is presenting awards, and he's going through all of these
Speaker 3: famous movie quotes, and he quoted that one wrong. And
Speaker 3: he also quoted Forrest Gump wrong. And he also quoted uh,
Speaker 3: oh man, another one wrong that everybody gets wrong. And
Speaker 3: the big one that I can't explain is if in
Speaker 3: the movie Moonraker, where Jaws at the end meets Dolly
Speaker 3: and she looks up and smiles. In my reality she
Speaker 3: had braces, but in the movie and in all of
Speaker 3: the copies of the movie, she never had braces. If
Speaker 3: that was the case, why did the actor that played
Speaker 3: Jaws in that movie do a commercial for Visa where
Speaker 3: he goes up to a cashier at a ticket counter
Speaker 3: and she looks up looking exactly like Dolly, smiles and
Speaker 3: has braces, Like, why would they make that if she
Speaker 3: never had braces? Why is the movie about mister Rogers'
Speaker 3: neighborhood called It's a Beautiful Day in the neighborhood. But
Speaker 3: the song is it's a beautiful day in this neighborhood. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
Speaker 4: The song he would sing every day was it's a
Speaker 4: beautiful day in this neighborhood. I've always remembered it being
Speaker 4: it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Well, even on a metaphoric level, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 3: because mister rogers neighborhood was supposed to be a representation
Speaker 3: of everybody's neighborhood. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful day in this neighborhood, meaning my neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Your neighborhood might suck.
Speaker 4: Right, That's why. Are you sure he was saying this
Speaker 4: in the song he would sing every day.
Speaker 3: Now, that's the Mandela effect. Everybody remembers it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: day in the neighborhood. Now, it's a beautiful day in
Speaker 3: this neighborhood. But the movie they made about mister Rogers
Speaker 3: and creating of that show was It's a beautiful day.
Speaker 3: In the name of the movie is it's a beautiful
Speaker 3: day in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And you can go back and watch mister
Speaker 2: Rogers saying whenever he's actually singing it, he goes, it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful day in this neighborhood. And it's like, what
Speaker 2: what am I listening to? I watched this as a
Speaker 2: kid so many times. I never remember hearing this neighborhood right, right, sore.
Speaker 3: Little scary movie came out right after the Sixth Sense
Speaker 3: and Marlon Wayne's is in that bed after he tests smoked,
Speaker 3: and he's like, I see white people. But he doesn't
Speaker 3: say that. He just quotes the sixth Sense and says
Speaker 3: I see dead people and I know people even having
Speaker 3: shirts with him on it that said I see white people. Right,
Speaker 3: he never said it.
Speaker 2: It would make sense that he says I see white
Speaker 2: people because it's scary movie. It's all you know. It's
Speaker 2: it's a retardation of the original thing. Wow, here's another
Speaker 2: crazy one, dude, And this one actually really tripped me out.
Speaker 2: So I first off, I love Frank Sinatra, but even
Speaker 2: more so I love Christmas music. So whenever you dive
Speaker 2: into the Frank Sinatra Christmas song I'll be Home for Christmas,
Speaker 2: have you heard this one?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right, Jacob, I'm gonna sing a version or this
Speaker 2: the correct version of the song, and I want you
Speaker 2: to fill in the blank I'll be home for Christmas.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: Oh, it depends on which section of the song you're
Speaker 4: talking about first.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: At one point he says you can count on me,
Speaker 4: and another one says you can bet on me. Both
Speaker 4: are said in the song.
Speaker 2: Neither it's I'll be home for Christmas. We all thought
Speaker 2: that it was you can count on me, but it's
Speaker 2: you can plan on me.
Speaker 4: Man, that's a not bet.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 4: Look in the lyrics of it, though, he says both.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the post right here, it says. In
Speaker 2: a late October twenty twenty three, a viral TikTok post
Speaker 2: referred to the lyrics of the popular Christmas song I'll
Speaker 2: Be Home for Christmas as an example of a Mandela effect,
Speaker 2: wherein people collectively misremember a fact or event? Is that
Speaker 2: what a man Dell effect is? I don't know it
Speaker 2: says I'll be home for Christmas Mandela effect? What are
Speaker 2: the correct lyrics? The caption on the TikTok post said.
Speaker 2: At the time of this writing, the post had two
Speaker 2: point four million views. We also found similar posts on Reddit.
Speaker 2: In the TikTok post, the person played several versions of
Speaker 2: I'll Be Home for Christmas, including those performed by artists
Speaker 2: Bing Crosby, Perry Como, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley, and the Carpenters.
Speaker 2: The person was searching for a version of the song
Speaker 2: that used the lyrics I'll be home for Christmas you
Speaker 2: can count on me, because Crosby, Como, Sinatra, and Presley
Speaker 2: all said plan instead. The person finally found what they
Speaker 2: were looking for in the Carpenter's version of the song,
Speaker 2: in which count was sung instead of plan. So that's
Speaker 2: that's the only time that it's ever mentioned as count.
Speaker 2: Every other time is plan. I'm damn, I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I'm looking for the nuggets of what we all remember
Speaker 3: and if if it's all like a movie line, you
Speaker 3: can't change a movie line. It's always been that line,
Speaker 3: but Why do the actors even say the line wrong
Speaker 3: when they're accepting reward or awards, or they're doing interviews,
Speaker 3: or they're remaking it. Why would they say it wrong
Speaker 3: from the original, Especially when Dangan now I lost his
Speaker 3: name again, the guy from the night show. He's presenting
Speaker 3: an award for iconic movie lines. He misquotes several of
Speaker 3: the lines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was told to do it that way for
Speaker 4: copyright infringement reasons or some dumb shit.
Speaker 3: He's doing it for like the oscars.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 3: He's like, we all remember these iconic lines such as
Speaker 3: this and this and this, and all three of them
Speaker 3: were incorrect.
Speaker 4: Well it was it all right? Let me ask you this,
Speaker 4: because he was a comedy night show host, right.
Speaker 3: It wasn't presented as satire.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's all I was gonna say. He was he
Speaker 4: doing it wrong just to get the crowd to laugh
Speaker 4: at him for being incorrect.
Speaker 3: But they were subtly wrong.
Speaker 4: Mmm, okay, if you build.
Speaker 3: It, they will come. Now I can't even remember which
Speaker 3: way is right, if he will come or they will come.
Speaker 4: But even still, that's not like it would be a
Speaker 4: joke that the crowd would laugh at that exactly like it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't done for comedic purposes or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, dude's there's so many Mandela effects that will definitely
Speaker 2: make you scratch your head. And another one that always
Speaker 2: gets me is that fucking publisher's clearing house thing. Like
Speaker 2: I always remember ed McMahon going up to the person's
Speaker 2: house with the giant check saying you want publisher's clearing
Speaker 2: house or whatever you were selected or whatever it was
Speaker 2: that never happened, you know, and it's like, I'm like, like,
Speaker 2: what am I pulling this memory from?
Speaker 3: Then we all remember staying home from school and seeing
Speaker 3: that commercial.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, like they were annoying how often it was happening.
Speaker 2: I always like it happened those commercial commercials were happening
Speaker 2: so frequently. Even as a kid, I assumed that it
Speaker 2: was a scam because it was so many times you'd
Speaker 2: see it and I'd be like, oh, people actually believe
Speaker 2: in this shit. And then I talked to my mom,
Speaker 2: and my mom was actually signing up for the whole
Speaker 2: publisher's clearing house and she was always like, well, I
Speaker 2: can't miss it because there's this story about how somebody
Speaker 2: was filling it out every single time. For a couple
Speaker 2: of years or whatever, and then they missed it once.
Speaker 2: And the only way that you get the check is
Speaker 2: if so you win from a prior uh submission, right.
Speaker 2: But the only way that you would get the check,
Speaker 2: or so she told me, is that they have to
Speaker 2: see that you submitted another request to try and win
Speaker 2: a next time, because if you don't follow up with
Speaker 2: your submission for the next time, then you wouldn't get
Speaker 2: the check. I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 2: I just remember that story, but yeah, weird shit, dude,
Speaker 2: mandel EFX are a fucking wild rabbit hole and it
Speaker 2: will definitely crack your matrix, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, what are you smiling at over there, Jacob.
Speaker 4: Because as they're talking about this, if I remember staying
Speaker 4: home from school and like seeing that commercial annoyingly, there
Speaker 4: was another commercial that annoyingly at way too heavy of
Speaker 4: a frequency came on and it was an album. It
Speaker 4: was it was always call now for this album, and
Speaker 4: there's like a few songs from it that even still
Speaker 4: if I just happened to be like flipping through radio
Speaker 4: stations and one of these songs come on, I instantly
Speaker 4: get transported back to like waking up in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night to one of these ballads being sung
Speaker 4: like no, no, no no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna play it. I'm gonna play it, and I guarantee
Speaker 4: both of you have this same vibe. Imagine owning the
Speaker 4: world's greatest love songs.
Speaker 3: By the greatest voices of our time.
Speaker 4: In a one star bro Every fucking time I hear
Speaker 4: a Michael Bolt right there, and then there's like eight
Speaker 4: songs after it, I bet all of you could accidentally
Speaker 4: guess what song comes next, because we've heard this commercial
Speaker 4: so many goddamn times. I feel you on this like
Speaker 4: it's these the commercials from back of the day, the
Speaker 4: publisher Clearon House. We all remember the check. We all
Speaker 4: saw the check. I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Ed McMahon delivered it.
Speaker 4: Yep, so was his name. But yep, I gotta stace
Speaker 4: in my head.
Speaker 2: Are we all collectively tripping? Or was there some kind
Speaker 2: of glitch in the matrix? I mean, what is your
Speaker 2: actual Like? Is there any now, Jacob. I know that
Speaker 2: you're usually the stick in the mud whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to Mandela effects, but is there any Mandela effect? That
Speaker 2: causes you to question your reality.
Speaker 4: Even one question my reality, not so much question if
Speaker 4: we're being lied to, like forcefully lied to. That's where
Speaker 4: you go typically, So you think that they just wiped
Speaker 4: it from the internet, they wiped it from the archives,
Speaker 4: and they are collectively trying to fool you. I mean,
Speaker 4: it depends on which one we're talking about, right, Like
Speaker 4: the Bear Steam Bear ones. That one's kind of an
Speaker 4: easy one to chalk up to, you know, something fucking
Speaker 4: up with one of the machines. And a certain run
Speaker 4: of these books were made with a different print. But
Speaker 4: that's also like old school. It's very hard to even
Speaker 4: find one of those episodes on TV anymore. Well, they
Speaker 4: got the books, That's what I'm saying. Like a run
Speaker 4: of those books are printed into misspelled and like Berenstein
Speaker 4: versus baron Stain, who's gonna recognize that? Like it's you
Speaker 4: remember Seeing Elf? Yeah, remember the opening part of that
Speaker 4: when they show his dad at the place and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this book is missing the last two pages. We should fix.
Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I want to take a thirty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars bath. So some kids can learn what happened to
Speaker 4: a puppy and a pigeon fucking send it like who cares? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I believe that probably happened with the Berenstein Bears books
Speaker 4: slash Baron Stain Bears books. Yeah, somebody at the top
Speaker 4: was like, m We're just gonna send it and the
Speaker 4: kids are not going to realize it. They didn't count
Speaker 4: on the internet, you know what I mean later on
Speaker 4: to be able to prove their fallacy. So that one,
Speaker 4: that one in particular, is an easy one to chalk
Speaker 4: up to. That to me, okay, that one I don't
Speaker 4: even think is a Mandela effect. I think the company
Speaker 4: just took out the fucking cornucopia and then said they
Speaker 4: never had it, even though I to what.
Speaker 2: End they actually they for of the loom, that's one
Speaker 2: that they actually did admit to that they were.
Speaker 3: It was a scam back in like nineteen fifty something,
Speaker 3: But like, how are we buying stuff with it? Why
Speaker 3: do we all remember it? If you, I and Jacob
Speaker 3: never bought it with a with a cornicopia.
Speaker 2: Wait a second, you're saying that that logo only existed
Speaker 2: until the fifties.
Speaker 3: It was one of their first concepts, so yes, it
Speaker 3: did exist, but for a very short amount of time.
Speaker 3: It was never like mass produced now.
Speaker 2: I wore whitey tidies as a young lad, and I
Speaker 2: remember seeing that cornucopea on there, always for the loom,
Speaker 2: like I would even get I would be upset if
Speaker 2: my parents bought me Haynes. I was a fur of
Speaker 2: the loom kid, and I only wanted for the loom.
Speaker 2: And I remember that, And of course I remember the cornucopia.
Speaker 2: It's such a legendary image.
Speaker 4: Yes you don't, but that's the thing they That's one
Speaker 4: that I think. Is it possible that, again, all that
Speaker 4: shit's made in China? Right? And I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: China's uh, quality assurance and quality control department isn't top
Speaker 4: of the line, you know, Yeah, I know that we're
Speaker 4: talking about sweatshops here, y'all. Is it possible that some
Speaker 4: were made with some were made without and then they
Speaker 4: finally got their dick slapped hard enough to where it's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 4: we'll do it this way only or what? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: could this can be at least somewhat chalked up to incompetence, right,
Speaker 4: And that's kind of where I go with it. Jonathan,
Speaker 4: As far as the most of these Mandela effects. If
Speaker 4: it can be chalked up to incompetence versus malice, I'll
Speaker 4: typically go to the incompetent side of things. There's very
Speaker 4: few that I've seen.
Speaker 3: It's just because you served in the military.
Speaker 4: Oh no, that's I mean, yeah, I guess so honestly,
Speaker 4: how true incompetence can really roll down hill in what
Speaker 4: it looks like down the chain, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: But like, but your mind is designed you specifically is
Speaker 2: designed to find the logical solution. Like you always try
Speaker 2: and go to the logical It has to make logical
Speaker 2: sense in order for it to be even talked about.
Speaker 2: For the most part, there's not really too many illogical
Speaker 2: things that you have an opinion on.
Speaker 4: Well, like the publisher Clearanhouse, for instance, why did they
Speaker 4: take out the check and why are they saying that
Speaker 4: they never gave us a check? Yeah, I'll call a
Speaker 4: bullshit on that, But at the same time, that doesn't
Speaker 4: make me question my entire reality. I just also don't
Speaker 4: see what would be the end goal of it, Like,
Speaker 4: why would they lie the what's the overarching theme here?
Speaker 4: So I guess that's illogical, But what if.
Speaker 2: They never lied That's that's the thing. You know, what
Speaker 2: if we're talking about an actual paradigm shift in which
Speaker 2: in the old world where you existed in that matrix
Speaker 2: type of world, that logo or that book or that
Speaker 2: movie quote or music quote or whatever existed, and now
Speaker 2: you here, and that's kind of like the dimensional shift
Speaker 2: or the crack and the matrix or something. That that's
Speaker 2: why people are so drawn to Mandela effects, because it's
Speaker 2: almost like we are so connected to our memories that
Speaker 2: there's no way you can tell me that this memory
Speaker 2: that I have seen a thousand times that I'm just
Speaker 2: misremembering it. No, you misremember things that you've seen once
Speaker 2: or twice. You don't misremember things that you've seen a
Speaker 2: thousand fucking times. And that's where people are starting to
Speaker 2: question this reality that we live in.
Speaker 4: If that is the case, then we had some crazy
Speaker 4: paradigm shift and there's like a split in the time
Speaker 4: space continuum whatever. I'm just happy I'm on this side
Speaker 4: of it, living my best life.
Speaker 3: No, because if that is truly the case, then this
Speaker 3: reality has to be destroyed. Mmm. It's going to create
Speaker 3: a synchronosity and it's going to create a paradox, which
Speaker 3: inevitably will leave end in the destruction of this reality
Speaker 3: unless it shifts back to the original baseline reality.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, why I believe in in the theory of infinity.
Speaker 4: Why can't there be infinite timelines? With infinite there are?
Speaker 3: But we have if we have these residual memories from
Speaker 3: a split, that means we have base reality still going
Speaker 3: and we've got a split or several splits that could
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just one thing, one way of looking
Speaker 3: at it. What I envision it is more like a
Speaker 3: double helix where they're swirling around each other and merging
Speaker 3: with each other on a continual basis. Something happens, they split,
Speaker 3: and then they could go back to each other. But
Speaker 3: if they are unable to rectify that split, this reality
Speaker 3: over here has to be destroyed. Why relta because it
Speaker 3: can't continue to exist. It's a paradox.
Speaker 4: Why why can't it continue to exist? Why can't there be.
Speaker 3: The remedies of the p obvious reality?
Speaker 2: Jacob? This is why I always try and tell you
Speaker 2: you need to watch the series called Loki. It gets
Speaker 2: into a lot of this shit.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: Like all the different timelines, there's a main timeline right like,
Speaker 2: and that's what we would like to believe that we
Speaker 2: exist on is the main timeline. But if our memory
Speaker 2: is from another timeline and we are no longer either
Speaker 2: a we're no longer on the main timeline or the
Speaker 2: opposite way that we never were on the main timeline
Speaker 2: and maybe we shifted to the main one. And that's
Speaker 2: the conundrum is that, you know, like, how can all
Speaker 2: of these realities be coinciding and colliding without some kind
Speaker 2: of drastic effect outside of false memory?
Speaker 4: So why can't it be more like Rick and Morty
Speaker 4: where there's infinite of all of this, and the theories
Speaker 4: and the memories can cross over, but they also can
Speaker 4: fuck off and do their own thing too, and it
Speaker 4: doesn't affect.
Speaker 3: That's true, But they're jumping between dimensions like dimensional realities.
Speaker 3: They're jumping to a whole new base reality. They're not
Speaker 3: jumping to a split in their own reality, because that
Speaker 3: one will eventually end in a calamity because it cannot exist.
Speaker 3: It's a paradox, so it has to either rectify itself,
Speaker 3: merge back into the original reality, or it ceases to exist.
Speaker 3: So the way I think of that is, and there
Speaker 3: could be infinite numbers of these split realities as well.
Speaker 3: But think of Marvel Endgame, where uh, doctor Strange, Okay,
Speaker 3: you've never seen it.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm very very far behind in my Marvel verse. I
Speaker 4: haven't seen Black Panther Dog. I'm grateful.
Speaker 3: Well, Doctor Strange has the ability to look into all
Speaker 3: the possible outcomes of any situation ever, and every time
Speaker 3: he's doing that, he's looking at different splits in the reality.
Speaker 3: And when in the line in the movie is how
Speaker 3: many of those scenarios did we win? One? And that's
Speaker 3: base reality. You can only win one scenario. All the
Speaker 3: other scenarios are scenarios that you are either inevitably killed, destroyed,
Speaker 3: or there's a massive calamity that destroys that entire timeline.
Speaker 3: So he sees the original what is supposed to be
Speaker 3: the base reality continuing the others cannot continue, and.
Speaker 2: It seems like all the other realities are kind of
Speaker 2: just fractals of the base reality, right, And so if
Speaker 2: you're having these paradoxes and the main base reality is
Speaker 2: essentially mating with the fractals of other realities, like it
Speaker 2: seems like it's something's gonna give, right, Like it's not
Speaker 2: just going to be something as simple as well. It
Speaker 2: used to be Berenstein, now it's Barrenstein. Like it's going
Speaker 2: to have some kind of domino effect where it continues
Speaker 2: to trickle in. That's what I would think. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I'm no quantum physicists.
Speaker 3: It's all possible, but also it's it's hard to imagine
Speaker 3: because we're not designed to imagine it. That would like
Speaker 3: to view it that way.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, our minds only work linearly, and
Speaker 2: they've proven that time is not linear. And so anyway, there's.
Speaker 3: Also a new experiment that they did that they can
Speaker 3: I can't remember if they're neurons or if they're atoms
Speaker 3: or molecules or whatever, but they can exist in two
Speaker 3: places at one time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That's oh my god. I always quantum entanglement.
Speaker 3: In physics, but I can't remember quantum entanglement.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So wouldn't that lead credence to the theory that maybe
Speaker 4: two timelines can't exist.
Speaker 3: They can exist concurrently, but they have to either rectify
Speaker 3: themselves into the base timeline where they're just existing at
Speaker 3: one time event like in one way, or they cease
Speaker 3: to exist for some reason.
Speaker 4: Umbrella Academy did a thing with like this in their
Speaker 4: last season. They called it the Umbrella, and it's supposed
Speaker 4: to be like the Mandela Effect. And you know that
Speaker 4: ended with the guy in charge who come to find out,
Speaker 4: was an alien unleashing a monster to destroy the world
Speaker 4: because it just needed to happen. But it wasn't directify
Speaker 4: the timeline. It was just because he was a dick.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: When five was explaining it to himself in the The
Speaker 3: Quantum Subway Deli.
Speaker 4: You're familiar with it.
Speaker 3: Excellent, That's kind of what I'm getting into, where it
Speaker 3: has to it inevitably when you have time travel or
Speaker 3: anything involved, it's going to create a paradox and it's
Speaker 3: going to create a reality merge or shift or split
Speaker 3: or whatever you want to call it. And unless it
Speaker 3: goes back onto the original right path, it'll just it'll
Speaker 3: have to implode within itself. Interesting or it might implode,
Speaker 3: or it'll just create a loop because this thing can't
Speaker 3: exist here, but it already does exist here. So if
Speaker 3: it can't, if it's existing here but not here within
Speaker 3: the same thing, it doesn't make sense. So somebody's got
Speaker 3: to go back and do it different.
Speaker 4: Well, we're all born to die, are we not?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, I'm about it. If this rally's going
Speaker 4: to implode, then, like I hope I lived my life
Speaker 4: before that happens. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, in speaking of because it's just a different it's
Speaker 3: that is just a change in matter, Like we're material beings,
Speaker 3: but we're also not. So your consciousness might shift to
Speaker 3: somewhere else that's equally or way more awesome, or equally depressive, or.
Speaker 4: Even worse.
Speaker 2: Or even better.
Speaker 4: It's better to go to a worse place.
Speaker 2: Well you said, or even worse, and I said, or
Speaker 2: even better.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I thought you said, got you.
Speaker 4: I misheard you. I thought you said it was better
Speaker 4: to go to somewhere worse.
Speaker 2: I was like, Jesus, Jonathan, No, I'm not that much
Speaker 2: of a fucking Debbie Downer like that, but I just
Speaker 2: looked at it. Right here, it says time travel could
Speaker 2: be possible, but only with parallel timelines.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the Rick and Morty thing, where they're shifting
Speaker 3: to different actual base realities. They're not going back into
Speaker 3: their own timeline. That's also what John Teedor says. He
Speaker 3: says he travels to different world lines, so even if
Speaker 3: he changes something in the past, it's not going to
Speaker 3: affect his original reality. It's on a different reality. So
Speaker 3: now this reality, you know JFK didn't die, but on
Speaker 3: the next reality, it'll still he'll still have died. Maybe
Speaker 3: he'll die in a different way. Instead of dying in Dallas,
Speaker 3: he'll die in Houston. Certain of that, events have to
Speaker 3: take place in order for the simulation or the program
Speaker 3: to continue, and there's no reason why you wouldn't have
Speaker 3: multiple or infinite programs running all concurrently at once to
Speaker 3: provide a desired outcome.
Speaker 2: Why do I know the name John tet Or do
Speaker 2: we do an episode on Well, we did an episode
Speaker 2: on him, Yeah, the time traveler guy who called into
Speaker 2: the Art Bell Show.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that that is probably a good place
Speaker 2: to wrap it up. This was fun. We were all
Speaker 2: over the place, and these are my favorite kind of
Speaker 2: conversations because it's not necessarily geared toward one specific topics.
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of conspiracy theorist getting together and putting
Speaker 2: our brains together and just imagining that anything is really possible,
Speaker 2: Like whether there are certain paradoxes everything, Everything is everything,
Speaker 2: as they say. So, Mattie Ice, let the cult members
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Speaker 2: first time listening to you, sir.
Speaker 3: All right, my main place is on TikTok at Mattie
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Speaker 3: streaming or me live streaming.
Speaker 2: You specifically and the shit that you talk about.
Speaker 3: Pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, Well look man, it was nice catching up
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