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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's going to happen? I think what help? Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, I got Julia

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<v Speaker 2>Cosmic Peach back with us again. The last few times

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<v Speaker 2>that we've had her on it's been a blest. We

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<v Speaker 2>went live, it was very interactive chat. The fans loved us.

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<v Speaker 2>So how to bring it back again? And we all live?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And I got joining Me, I got the cult reject

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<v Speaker 2>man scientist Lisa, and I got my man Headless Giant. Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you say that? What's that label you got.

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<v Speaker 1>Over there, helonic schizo poster?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, it's very very very fitting, very fitting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>head Headless, yeah yeah yeah. You al he's been on

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<v Speaker 2>a roll lately. You gotta go check us.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a bunch of good emails coming up for

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<v Speaker 1>the for the next reading of your occult slash paranormal stories.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited about that. Yeah and again again please,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad Headless is here to plug it again before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into the show. Please, if you have any

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<v Speaker 2>of these stories, any like weird dreams, a cult whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>listen off again, Headless, please email my main.

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<v Speaker 1>Headless esoteric stories, occult stories, paranormal stories, dreams that you

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<v Speaker 1>have recurring or strange occurrences in your family. You can

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<v Speaker 1>email me at Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and I will get those read up on the air.

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<v Speaker 1>So check that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it should be fun. We've actually been getting email,

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<v Speaker 2>well he's been getting the emails in and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be some fun stuff. So definitely looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to that. And yeah you want to let it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you already plug your show.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no, no, not you yet, Julia, We're gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>hell listen and I'll give you did you play your

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<v Speaker 2>podcast already?

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<v Speaker 1>Check me out on YouTube Headless Giant Podcasts. You'll find

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<v Speaker 1>me there.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, Thank you now true the main guest, Julia.

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<v Speaker 3>I am wherever you listen to podcasts, just uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not YouTube of course, because fuck them. And I'm on

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<v Speaker 3>Cult of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday. I do a show

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<v Speaker 3>for them once a week. I did not know that,

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<v Speaker 3>and yes, and so if you want to check that out,

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<v Speaker 3>it's called Cult ex Cosmic every Saturday, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>of course have my own show, Cosmic Peach and then

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<v Speaker 3>coming up around the corner, I'm not. I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>like a release date yet, but Colby and I are

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<v Speaker 3>starting a new show. It's called The Killer Room, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be featured on my show as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really excited about that actually, because he has

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<v Speaker 3>such a different take on things than I do and

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<v Speaker 3>it makes for interesting conversation. So I'm really looking forward

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<v Speaker 3>to that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That is awesome, nice, nice thing. That's really cool with

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<v Speaker 2>the culture Conspiracy. I've been dealing with those guys for

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<v Speaker 2>a few years now, and like every few months we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get together and do something. I really do like those guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I highly suggested to go check them out, and I will.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and Teresa are actually going to be covering a

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<v Speaker 2>topic on their show Tuesday, so that should be really yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>covering the Saint Klamafia.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea. Those guys are fun. They're they're

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<v Speaker 2>fun to like just talk shit with.

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<v Speaker 3>But crazy cult leaders.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you know what, like I just even like

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they don't agree, but the show still goes great.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to explain, Like, yeah, really, I really do

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<v Speaker 2>like having those guys on because you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Have different people prefer that though, Yeah, m hm, very

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<v Speaker 3>interesting because nobody likes an echo chamber, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's why people enjoy when Colby and I get together. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I went on we went on the White Rabbit podcast

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<v Speaker 3>the other night, and he was saying how he listened

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<v Speaker 3>to our series called blood Ties, and he said, you

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<v Speaker 3>guys don't really agree on stuff, and you'll just hash

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<v Speaker 3>it out right there on the spot. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's refreshing. That people don't always agree on certain things.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes you think harder about whether or not you have

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<v Speaker 3>all the information you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and different opinions actually don't hurt everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean even with the topic tonight, we're

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<v Speaker 3>all probably gonna have different opinions at the end, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm actually going to ask you guys what you think

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<v Speaker 3>at the end. But there are certain things that cannot

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<v Speaker 3>be disputed, and then there are certain things that are

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<v Speaker 3>up for debates. So we'll see at the end where

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<v Speaker 3>you guys stand on everything. But I'm actually really excited

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<v Speaker 3>to get into the topic today as well, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that I really passionate about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember a long time ago when you told

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<v Speaker 2>me you were even working on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've been working on it for a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>years now and just keep adding stuff to it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I like when I saw that you were

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<v Speaker 2>even doing it again, it reminded me of you telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that you were getting into that. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>is probably going years ago, so I was like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta get off of that. I never actually spooked

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<v Speaker 2>to her about that topic. That was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>topics we never spoke about actually from the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's a big one, that's for sure. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mean kind of like the last couple of times

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<v Speaker 3>I've been on the Occult Rejects. If this spills over

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<v Speaker 3>into two parts, you know, so be it. But I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like it's you know, it's early enough in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 3>we might be able to squeeze it all into one,

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<v Speaker 3>but we've been meeting so late at night the last

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<v Speaker 3>couple of times. I feel bad for you guys because

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<v Speaker 3>I just keep going on and on and you guys

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<v Speaker 3>it's like two in the morning, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've been loving it. Thank you. All right, So

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<v Speaker 2>to get I mean, just dive in sure, have about it,

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<v Speaker 2>have it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, all right. Well, so we're gonna be talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Marilyn Monroe on today's episode. And of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as I always say, I think all you need to

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<v Speaker 3>do to sell a mainstream narrative to people is have

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<v Speaker 3>a documentary on either HBO or Netflix with some great

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<v Speaker 3>visuals and some catchy background music, and you will one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent fucking brainwash everyone into thinking that's the mainstream narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>And there is no shortage of Maryland documentaries on either

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<v Speaker 3>Netflix or HBO, and they all sell you the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Marilyn was a severely depressed woman. She was promiscuous, she

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<v Speaker 3>had a bunch of weird sexual affairs, and she got

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<v Speaker 3>really depressed. She committed suicide. She overdosed on sedative drugs

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<v Speaker 3>and she was found nude in her home in Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, or some part of California, and she, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>she did it to herself. And that's all that we

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<v Speaker 3>need to know is she was fucked up, depressed, took

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of pills, killed herself. And they do a

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<v Speaker 3>great job selling you that story. And they even have

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<v Speaker 3>in one of the Netflix documentaries they interview a guy

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<v Speaker 3>that was her psychiatrist. They interview his family. His name

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<v Speaker 3>was doctor Green or something. Like that. It's in my

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<v Speaker 3>notes and we'll get to it. But I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know where you guys stand on it, but I've

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<v Speaker 3>always thought, even as great of a sales job as

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<v Speaker 3>they do, like, there had to be more to this story,

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<v Speaker 3>especially because of who she was. I mean, you guys

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<v Speaker 3>can jump in. What did you did you always think like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>for sure she killed herself? Or did you always have questions?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I always saw it as a kid, always saw

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<v Speaker 2>like even Elvis Presley and her stories were always.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, so, Lisa, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>I always thought someone else killed her, always thought that, like.

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<v Speaker 3>You, did you have any suspects.

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<v Speaker 4>The Kennedys was one, for sure, or the CIA her

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<v Speaker 4>handlers that maybe? I think when I I didn't know initially,

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<v Speaker 4>when I first heard the story, I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>she seemed too vain to have killed herself that way

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<v Speaker 4>or just killed herself period. Plus I think that she

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<v Speaker 4>probably initially is she probably was told some secrets that

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't want people to know, that maybe she was

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<v Speaker 4>I heard more, I thought, you know what, I think

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<v Speaker 4>they killed her because she was going off script act

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that you know, was threatening to her

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<v Speaker 4>what her job originally was, or that they were. She

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<v Speaker 4>had become some kind of like, I don't know, volatile.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they couldn't handle her anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean headless. What did you think.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up at a Christian home, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>always the example of, you know, this is what a

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<v Speaker 1>decadent lifestyle will lead to. So it wasn't until much

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<v Speaker 1>later that I was like, this doesn't make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense. She was connected to a lot of very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful people and all of a sudden, you know, having

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<v Speaker 1>this great life and everything else, she decides to kill herself.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was kind of a cautionary tale in your household.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of funny to me. But I mean, so

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<v Speaker 3>there are a few things I want to get out

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<v Speaker 3>right away, because I do believe that Marilyn Monroe, even

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<v Speaker 3>the name the double m Marilyn Monroe, Monarch, mind control,

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that, to me stands out. It does appear

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<v Speaker 3>that she probably had multiple personalities. She was probably in

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<v Speaker 3>some type of sex kit, and you know how they

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<v Speaker 3>like to use beautiful, famous women in those type of roles,

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<v Speaker 3>and she grew up in orphanages, so it wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>anybody gave a fuck what happened to her. They essentially

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<v Speaker 3>created a cartoon character out of a real person. Her

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<v Speaker 3>name was Norma Jane, and they turned her into Marilyn Monroe.

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<v Speaker 3>They literally bleached her hair. She got a nose job,

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<v Speaker 3>they And so it was to me, I always look

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<v Speaker 3>at if someone has multiple personality disorder or did whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>They are usually the ones that start off as normal

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<v Speaker 3>people and then abruptly have like a bleached hair moment.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you look at it, Eminem bleached hair, Kanye

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<v Speaker 3>went crazy, bleached his hair. Lady Gaga started off normal

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<v Speaker 3>but then bleached her hair, and now I think she's

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<v Speaker 3>a trans weirdo witch. And so I mean, you just

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<v Speaker 3>look at it, and it's like the bleaching of the

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<v Speaker 3>hair is almost like the signal of all right, this

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<v Speaker 3>person's undergone some fucking programming, and now you know they

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<v Speaker 3>have an.

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<v Speaker 2>Alter identity and order.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, yeah, because they bleach their hair and they literally

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<v Speaker 3>go fucking nuts. And if you look at any celebrity,

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<v Speaker 3>even like Lindsey Lohan, she was a ginger and she

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<v Speaker 3>was so cute. She was on the Disney Channel, bleached

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<v Speaker 3>her hair, started faking a British accent, and nobody fucking

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<v Speaker 3>knows what's wrong with her now. And so I just

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<v Speaker 3>think that that's something that you can look at as

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<v Speaker 3>being odd, you know, like why did they suddenly bleach

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<v Speaker 3>their hair? And they can become a completely different person overnight.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think Marilyn is, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>exhibit A of multiple personality disorder. And I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I give a great exit for that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, go ahead, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So the movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena

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<v Speaker 1>Davis is where you've got this mk ultra assassin played

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<v Speaker 1>and then she comes back. The memory comes back and

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<v Speaker 1>the very first thing she does. She bleaches their hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh dude, See, I'm telling you, it's crazy. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>not to say, like, if somebody's got a bad breakup

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<v Speaker 3>and they want to stick it to their fucking ex

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend and they don't bleach their hair, like you have

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<v Speaker 3>multiple personality. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 3>celebrities who you see go through a huge transformation almost

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<v Speaker 3>overnight with the bleaching of the hair and like the

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<v Speaker 3>complete identity switch. And she really pushed the blood diamonds.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like the spokesperson for that. You know, diamonds

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<v Speaker 3>are a girl's best friend. We got a comment, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>And so, I mean, I think and Nick is probably

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm actually kind of glad we're covering this with

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<v Speaker 3>him because I found weird numbers surrounding her and I've

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<v Speaker 3>always had an idea of what I think they mean,

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<v Speaker 3>but Nick might be able to elaborate on this. But

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of eights around Maryland. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I've always thought of the eight as like the snake

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<v Speaker 3>eating its tail, the infinity symbol. And she did die

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<v Speaker 3>on August fourth, sixty two and six and two is eight,

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<v Speaker 3>so and then like I believe her address had some

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<v Speaker 3>aids in it, And I mean, what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>about that, Nick, because you probably know more about that

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<v Speaker 3>shit than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>The eight. I mean, it's numerical I mean I like

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<v Speaker 2>it because of the magician. I think it does show

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<v Speaker 2>like the continuation of the cycles of like life and

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<v Speaker 2>death shows a unyoke eyes sense for me. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty deeply occulted uh in my opinion, shape

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<v Speaker 2>or number or sigil, you know, the hell does you

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<v Speaker 2>want to add anything on that yourself? Yeah, it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Fives, eights, and thirteen seems to be like the

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<v Speaker 1>pattern breakers. Right, So for five, you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>and then the fifth is like the pattern breaker, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you've got the seven like the seven planets and

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<v Speaker 1>all the rest of these whole and then the pattern

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<v Speaker 1>breaker would be the eight, twelve, you know, twelve signs

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<v Speaker 1>of the zodiac, all the rest of that stuff. In

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<v Speaker 1>theteen you know, these are the ones that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stand out in numerology is being the pattern breaker. If

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<v Speaker 1>you look at her role as being the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting to bed all the nineteen fifties sort of value

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<v Speaker 1>based systems, you know, kind of that cautionary tale. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>she was the kind of pattern breaker on that whole

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties moral aesthetic.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, I've talked to Sean McCann

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<v Speaker 3>about this a little bit too, and he has this

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<v Speaker 3>whole octagon theory and the gosh, what is that thing

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<v Speaker 3>that he's always talking about in Satanism? It's like a

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<v Speaker 3>cube that keeps extruding from itself. What is that thing called?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what I'm talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a cube.

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<v Speaker 3>Within a cube within a cube, and it just yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just keeps going out, and it's like an

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<v Speaker 3>eight sided and it just keeps expanding. And that's also

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<v Speaker 3>why they use the octagon in like sporting stuff and

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<v Speaker 3>the eight sided just the tesser act. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I do believe that the eight is significant.

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<v Speaker 3>I went on a Google search one day and I

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<v Speaker 3>just googled, like major tragedies that happened in August and

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<v Speaker 3>like a lot of fucking shit. It's like they specifically

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<v Speaker 3>used August to conduct a lot of these fucking rituals

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<v Speaker 3>and shit. And I don't find it at all a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 3>She died August fourth in a eight year sixty two.

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<v Speaker 3>But so it's just that stuck out to me. And

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<v Speaker 3>without even getting into too much conspiracy theory stuff right

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<v Speaker 3>off the bat. There is one more thing I want

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<v Speaker 3>to mention though, before I get into like the like

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<v Speaker 3>the autopsy findings. But you guys are familiar with Eyes

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<v Speaker 3>White Shut, right, Yes, Okay? The little girl in Eyes

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<v Speaker 3>White Shut, her name is Helena, and she's supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be getting inducted, in my opinion, to this monarch mind control,

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<v Speaker 3>sex kit and fucking occult ring of women. And it

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much shows you that at the end because when

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<v Speaker 3>they're in the toy store, she gets led off by

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<v Speaker 3>two weird guys at the end of the movie and yeah, Teresa,

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<v Speaker 3>I fucking yeah exactly. I did a show with Teresa

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<v Speaker 3>about the eights. What Teresa, why isn't your ass on here? Anyways,

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of Ours White Shut, Helena gets led

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<v Speaker 3>off by two guys, and it's almost as if Alice

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<v Speaker 3>the mom knows about this. Maybe Alice is a part

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<v Speaker 3>of the program as well, and she's almost letting them

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<v Speaker 3>take her daughter away. And in the toy store there's

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<v Speaker 3>a weird scene where in the background there's a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of barbies and the main focus on the barbie is

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<v Speaker 3>this Marilyn Monroe Barbie and it's headless. Do you know

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<v Speaker 3>which Barbie it is? I can't remember. It's like.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the setup and everything. I know. I know

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<v Speaker 2>the scene you're talking about. I just can't remember what

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<v Speaker 2>Barbie that is. But I know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>It's what it's a Marilynd Barbie. I can't remember what

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<v Speaker 3>movie it is, but it's it's a weird scene for

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<v Speaker 3>showing Helena walking down the toys Toy store and there's

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<v Speaker 3>two guys that are following her and they're obviously going

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<v Speaker 3>to lead her off and they it's almost like Stanley

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<v Speaker 3>Kuber put the shot of this Maryland Barbie like right there,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's in your focal point. You do notice that

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<v Speaker 3>you do see it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to see it, Yeah, you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposed to see it. And you know, the the street

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<v Speaker 3>that Marilyn lived on was Helena Drive. So I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's significant that they put these things in there to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of link everything together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's very important the name Helena too, because

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<v Speaker 1>even back to the one of the most widely you know,

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<v Speaker 1>read and understood mythologies goes back to the Iliad, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was all sparked off by Helen of Troy, and

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<v Speaker 1>they even called everything having to do with the Greek

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<v Speaker 1>religion is Hellenism, right, so this is like the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>prize will be also being like the ultimate you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of downfall of man, right that concept there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the Greek goddess kind of weirdness to around Maryland,

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<v Speaker 3>around the eyes wide shut thing. It's all kind of

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<v Speaker 3>ritualistic and it almost reeks of like ancient religion almost

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<v Speaker 3>So without going too far into conspiracy, because I did

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<v Speaker 3>say this, I think to Lisa, but without even going

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<v Speaker 3>down the conspiracy theory road, I can prove that Marylyn

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<v Speaker 3>didn't kill herself just with scientific evidence. And so I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if anybody walks away from this episode with a doubt

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<v Speaker 3>in their mind, I'd be fucking surprised, because I was

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<v Speaker 3>just absolutely appalled when I came across this shit in

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<v Speaker 3>a book and I was like, why don't more people

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<v Speaker 3>know about this? And I was like, oh, yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 3>because I don't want you to know about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But so, her official cause of death was a keepe

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<v Speaker 3>barbituit poisoning, and they said it was a suicide, but

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<v Speaker 3>the medical examiner penciled in a word next to suicide,

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<v Speaker 3>and he put probable, like he wrote that in himself.

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<v Speaker 3>He took a pencil and literally wrote probable suicide. So

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't even convinced that that's what really happened. But

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<v Speaker 3>they did say it was a self administered overdose of

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<v Speaker 3>sedative drugs. That's what they say. But what's weird is

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<v Speaker 3>there were absolutely no trace of tablets found in her

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<v Speaker 3>stomach at all period. No trace of tablets were found

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<v Speaker 3>in her stomach or her intestines. So she had enough

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<v Speaker 3>chloral hydrate and nimbutah in her system to legitimately kill

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<v Speaker 3>an elephant. They said she had sixty to seventy nimbutah

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<v Speaker 3>and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tablets the equivalent of

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<v Speaker 3>that in her system, But somehow when they crack her open,

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<v Speaker 3>there is absolutely no trace of tablets found in the

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<v Speaker 3>stomach or the intestine. So, if that's true, and she

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<v Speaker 3>had taken sixty to seventy nimbutall pills and nineteen to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty chloral hydrate tablets, digestion stops at death, so when

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<v Speaker 3>they cracked her open, there should have been significant evidence

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<v Speaker 3>of undigestied tablets in her stomach, because you die before

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<v Speaker 3>that shit actually has a chance to dissolve. You die

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<v Speaker 3>of an overdose. Fucking five pills in before. We're talking

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<v Speaker 3>sixty to seventy nimb you tall tablets and nineteen to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty chloral hydrate tablets. But there was not a fucking

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<v Speaker 3>trace in her stomach or her intestines.

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<v Speaker 4>I have problem following, like she didn't really like to

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<v Speaker 4>take pills or something like that that I remember, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a known gagger, and that's right, gentlemen, there

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<v Speaker 3>is no perfect woman out there. Marilyn was a gagger.

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<v Speaker 3>She fucking gagged. She's and you know what, we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>into it later, but she was a fucking dagging ass bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is, I am not a gagger. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even see myself being able to swallow sixty

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<v Speaker 3>to seventy pills. Actually, it would have been more than that,

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<v Speaker 3>sixty to seventy of one type of pill and then

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<v Speaker 3>twenty of another, So hello, who the fuck is doing

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<v Speaker 3>You'd have to eat it like cereal. You'd have to

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<v Speaker 3>pour him in a bowl and fucking put milk in.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, fucking cheerios and eat them like.

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<v Speaker 2>That liquid of just trying to swallow all those pills

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<v Speaker 2>back to back.

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<v Speaker 3>But they said that it was tablets. You remember, because

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<v Speaker 3>the iconic picture of Marylyn with the pill bottle knocked

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<v Speaker 3>over on the night stand.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they literally say that, uh, Marylyn had to have

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<v Speaker 3>swallowed pills because look, there's a tipped over pill bottle

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<v Speaker 3>on the night stand. There was something else that was

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<v Speaker 3>missing in her autopsy though, So if digestion stops at

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<v Speaker 3>death and there was no sign of tablets in the

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<v Speaker 3>stomach or the intestines, there's also another problem is that

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't have any refractive crystals in her stomach or

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<v Speaker 3>small intestine. And basically what refractive crystals are is the

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<v Speaker 3>active ingredient in any drugs. So once the medication starts

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<v Speaker 3>to dissolve, it produces refractive crystals and they're very easily

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<v Speaker 3>spotted in the stomach or the intestine, so you can

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<v Speaker 3>tell if somebody has taken pills. So taking sixty to

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<v Speaker 3>seventy of one type of medication in twenty of another,

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<v Speaker 3>you would have thought there would be substantial residue in

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<v Speaker 3>the stomach or the small intestine. And actually nimbutol is

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<v Speaker 3>coated with a super thick yellow dye, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>also not present anywhere in her body. So if she

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<v Speaker 3>was to have taken seventy of those bitches, her entire

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<v Speaker 3>stomach and intestine would have been coated in this yellow

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<v Speaker 3>dye and that wasn't present as well. So somebody come

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<v Speaker 3>at me if they want to go ahead and say

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<v Speaker 3>Marilyn took some fucking pills, because where are they? Is

420
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<v Speaker 3>what I'd say.

421
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Somebody even mentioned, I mean, there was a good chance

422
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.119
<v Speaker 2>that we think you'd like getting. Did they mention if

423
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 2>there's she puked, vomited or anything like that.

424
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 3>So I'm actually going to get into that, but I'll

425
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:05.920
<v Speaker 3>tell you right now. The first officer on the scene,

426
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 3>his name was Sergeant Jack Clemens, and he noted when

427
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:18.400
<v Speaker 3>he walked into Maryland's bedroom that there was no regurgitated

428
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 3>material anywhere in the bedroom, bathroom, or near Maryland at all.

429
00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 3>So he had actually reported to many suicides, and he

430
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.640
<v Speaker 3>knew because he had seen them several times, that when

431
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.400
<v Speaker 3>a person takes that many pills, before they can even

432
00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.119
<v Speaker 3>all start to digest and kill the person, their body

433
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:44.279
<v Speaker 3>goes in evacuation. Bode and literally starts fucking spewing.

434
00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes showing up as a way of your body even

435
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>saying like you're doing too much drugs, right.

436
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Right, So imagine taking sixty to seventy nimbutohl in twenty which,

437
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:59.240
<v Speaker 3>by the way, chloral hydrate is date rape drug, or

438
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.200
<v Speaker 3>use to be a form of it. So I don't

439
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 3>know why you'd want to kill yourself in that way,

440
00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:06.279
<v Speaker 3>but fock that, you know what I'm saying. She took

441
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 3>twenty of those and there was no.

442
00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:18.960
<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Wasn't it also at one point considered a hypnotic chlorohydrate.

443
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So imagine wanting to kill yourself in that way,

444
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 3>because then you toll the sleeping pill that wouldn't do

445
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.640
<v Speaker 3>it for you. You had it on top of that

446
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 3>roofie yourself. I'll look at this chlorohydrate is a mood

447
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 3>stabilizer for sleep disorders. Well, I don't think she actually

448
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 3>this is a good point to bring up. She did

449
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.880
<v Speaker 3>not have access to the drugs in the amount that

450
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 3>killed her because she was seeing a psychiatrist. They were

451
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 3>trying to wean her off. They said she had a

452
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 3>serious problem, and the prescription that she had wasn't even

453
00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:59.599
<v Speaker 3>in the amount of the the the levels that she

454
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.359
<v Speaker 3>had her system. So she maybe had a prescription for

455
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 3>let's say, like twenty sleeping pills and they find sixty

456
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 3>to seventy in her bloodstream, and then another twenty of

457
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.640
<v Speaker 3>chloral hydrate, which she didn't even have a prescription for.

458
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 3>She had a prescription for Nimbutohl maybe twenty tablets, but

459
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.440
<v Speaker 3>not for chloral hydrate, and not in the amounts that

460
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 3>were found in her bloodstream. And they were like, well,

461
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.200
<v Speaker 3>she's Marilyn Monroe. She could have bought them from someone.

462
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.880
<v Speaker 3>She didn't have pills in her stomach, So how the

463
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:35.359
<v Speaker 3>fuck did that level of drugs get into her bloodstream?

464
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 3>That's the main question. And if she didn't take pills,

465
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 3>because there's absolutely no evidence in her stomach or digestive

466
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 3>tract that she did, how did they get in there?

467
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.000
<v Speaker 3>And did Marilyn do it to herself? I fucking think

468
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 3>not because think of the entry points, right, did she

469
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 3>inject it? Well, they searched her whole body and there

470
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 3>was no injection site wound anywhere. They checked in between

471
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 3>her toes and between her fingers, nothing there. So what

472
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 3>is the only other way you could get that amount

473
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:11.720
<v Speaker 3>of drugs introduced that quickly into the body to basically

474
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 3>have that big of a payload. And that's where the

475
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 3>rest of the fucking autopsy report comes in. Because she

476
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.519
<v Speaker 3>had bruises on the backs of her legs and the

477
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 3>backs of arms, and a big ass bruise on one

478
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 3>of her butt cheeks, and it looked like she had

479
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 3>been held down, like somebody had literally held her arms

480
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 3>and legs down. And her colon was purple and swollen

481
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 3>and literally looked like it was turned inside out. And

482
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 3>so yes to the comment earlier, they fucking boofed it.

483
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think you're actually going to go there.

484
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.319
<v Speaker 3>Yes, her colon was so purple and swollen that they

485
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:00.599
<v Speaker 3>made several notes about it.

486
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.519
<v Speaker 2>For the gag.

487
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:04.640
<v Speaker 3>The gagging.

488
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

489
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 3>If they did so here's.

490
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 5>But that would make sense though.

491
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 4>That would make sense because, like you said, I think,

492
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.400
<v Speaker 4>and I looked it up really quickly, the nemeutal within

493
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 4>fifteen to thirty minutes taking an OD amount, you you

494
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.680
<v Speaker 4>start to OD within fifteen to thirty minutes. That is

495
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 4>not enough time to even digest any of the amount

496
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.519
<v Speaker 4>of pills that they would give you. And again, she

497
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 4>didn't have pills, say that they were pilled, you would

498
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 4>still see leftover pills. But to get that amount of

499
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 4>dosage in that much of your bloodstream and quickly, there

500
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 4>would have to be a direct route to the bloodstream,

501
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:50.759
<v Speaker 4>without a doubt.

502
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.559
<v Speaker 3>And you would die before the levels reached that far

503
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 3>into your bloodstream with an oral overdose.

504
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 5>Correct.

505
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:04.279
<v Speaker 3>So we have to think if is that hurt? If what?

506
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know how this could put up the thing

507
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:07.920
<v Speaker 2>just I was like, why comments popping up?

508
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Did you want to add something to that?

509
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, he was just ripping off of that. He said,

510
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>no boof reflex. But yeah, I mean, obviously, if things

511
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>aren't adding up, and they're and they're noting all these peculiarities,

512
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 1>where's the investigation. You know, you've got millions of fans

513
00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 1>out there and they can't organize to find out what

514
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:29.519
<v Speaker 1>actually happened. I mean, are we that cut off from

515
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the system at large? That's that's a real question, because

516
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 1>it's not just her, it's all the rest of these cases,

517
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 1>you know.

518
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, And I mean for me when I heard

519
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.839
<v Speaker 3>about her colon and I know it's funny because it is.

520
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:45.319
<v Speaker 3>But the problem is is nobody likes to talk about

521
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 3>the bruises that she had on the backs of her legs,

522
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.599
<v Speaker 3>in her arms. Nobody's if she killed herself. How the

523
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 3>fuck did she get those? And her colon was so

524
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 3>bruised and purple that it was obvious that that's the

525
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:03.519
<v Speaker 3>entry point for this massive It was like such an

526
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 3>overdose that she was dead within minutes. And there's actually

527
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 3>other parts of the autopsy report that fucking support that

528
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 3>theory too. But go ahead, Nick, what were you going

529
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:13.640
<v Speaker 3>to say?

530
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering too. Listen, just stuff could have been

531
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 2>still stuck up there for you know, pills or whatever.

532
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 2>But again, was the level so high that you wouldn't

533
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>even absorbed all of that? Well, like if you again,

534
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>if you were to die before you even get that

535
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 2>high again, but did it? I still wouldn't think it

536
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 2>would be absorbed that way. I'm still thinking more of it.

537
00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 2>It was.

538
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 3>With the corner and the medical examiner. They well, she

539
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>would have had to have a liquid enema. And so

540
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 3>if you've ever seen the type of yes, it was

541
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>the liquid form, because you want to introduce it so

542
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.920
<v Speaker 3>fast into the body that it absorbs rapidly and kill.

543
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.240
<v Speaker 2>The best place to do that, Actually.

544
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so what they what they the conclusion was based

545
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 3>on the autopsy is, I don't know if you've ever

546
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 3>seen them, but there's two types of enemas. There's like

547
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 3>a bag and a hose, where like you fill a

548
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.960
<v Speaker 3>bag up and you run a hose up your ass.

549
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 3>And then there's another type of enemo where it's almost

550
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 3>like a bulb and it has like a long hope,

551
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:20.960
<v Speaker 3>like a long tube on it, and you just scuirt

552
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.440
<v Speaker 3>it really fast and then it like flushes you and

553
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.319
<v Speaker 3>you just go about your day. They decided, based on

554
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 3>the autopsy findings that it would have probably been one

555
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>of those bulb type enemas that were they literally put

556
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 3>it in her ass, squeezed it, and she was dead

557
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 3>almost instantly because of the overload of UH. They put

558
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>it in such a high concentration when they squirted it

559
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 3>in there, she was probably dead within like a minute,

560
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe less than sixty seconds. And so the the

561
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 3>other reason they say that is because Marilyn had cyanosis,

562
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 3>which is something that you see when someone dies in

563
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 3>a really rapid way way suffocation, drowning, massive overdose, like

564
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 3>if you shot up and you died like right after

565
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.559
<v Speaker 3>you shot up you would have sinosis, and it's basically

566
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 3>where you turned blue from oxygen being cut off. So

567
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 3>why would you have that if you died a slow

568
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 3>agonizing pill overdose, because it takes a long time. It's

569
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 3>like Lisa said, maybe even thirty minutes for you to

570
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 3>even start overdosing on sedative drugs. And Maryland showed signs

571
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.599
<v Speaker 3>of syinosis, which means she died so rapidly that she

572
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 3>literally turned blue, like if she got suffocated or drowned.

573
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 4>It looks like hypothermia, like your finger dose, all your

574
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 4>fingernails from blue.

575
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 5>You're extremities from blue.

576
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:52.240
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes even your ears or whatever cut off, and so

577
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.799
<v Speaker 4>you start to lose blood flow to these extremities and

578
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 4>serve because you're having pulmonary heart issues in order to

579
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 4>circulate that oxygen to these terminies.

580
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 5>So she had.

581
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Particular yes, she did, And so it's just like I

582
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 3>was saying before. When you die of a sedative drug

583
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.800
<v Speaker 3>overdose by oral ingestion, there are several things you can

584
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 3>look for, vomiting pills, digestive track, refractive crystals, and you

585
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.039
<v Speaker 3>usually don't have huge bruises all over the back of

586
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 3>your body, and you don't have syinosis, so that with

587
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:40.800
<v Speaker 3>her colon showing like literal signs of uh something being

588
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 3>injected in there. Yes, and I mean this is what

589
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 3>the medical examiner and his name was Thomas Negucci, and

590
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:54.079
<v Speaker 3>he actually did like John Belushi's autopsy. He's actually got

591
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of really famous people and done their autopsies.

592
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 3>But the thing is, he was so confused by them

593
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 3>keeping on saying that she had to have died of

594
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 3>an overdose that he wanted to prove to everyone that

595
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 3>there's no way she could have. So he wanted all

596
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 3>of her organs retested, and he did the initial tests,

597
00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 3>came up with this conclusion, wanted to prove it to everyone,

598
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 3>so he said, Okay, we're gonna retest all of her organs.

599
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 3>And then when they went to go do that, just

600
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.599
<v Speaker 3>so happens somebody had hallowed Maryland out and her fucking

601
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 3>organs went missing, so they couldn't even retest them. Somebody

602
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 3>literally took all of her organs, put them in a

603
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 3>fucking bag and they disappeared, so they could never be retested,

604
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 3>and they only had the original autopsy report from the

605
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.920
<v Speaker 3>medical examiner to go off of. Nobody could retest them.

606
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Nobody could. Fucking literally, you guys, if that doesn't reek

607
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 3>to you of a setup, I don't know what else

608
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>to tell you. I mean, why on earth would somebody

609
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.480
<v Speaker 3>these internal organs go missing overnight? And when she got

610
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.960
<v Speaker 3>to the morgue, her fucking body apparently went missing for

611
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 3>a long amount of time, and then she turned back up,

612
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>and fucking I mean, they just they were trying to

613
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 3>hide so much stuff in such a short duration of time.

614
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 3>And then all of the original notes and stuff from

615
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 3>the medical examiner were put in a file and they

616
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 3>were sent to Washington, and nobody ever saw that file again,

617
00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 3>and the only thing doctor Noguchi had to go on

618
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:41.199
<v Speaker 3>was his original notes that he wrote down for himself

619
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:45.920
<v Speaker 3>from her autopsy. The files they're in Washington somewhere fucking

620
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 3>buried because they don't want anybody to see that shit.

621
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was gonna say, it's a big brain

622
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theorists. We should start a nationwide campaign of get

623
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Speaker 1>to know your medical examiners, right, because, I mean, it

624
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>seems doable. And if we could take the bad medical

625
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.599
<v Speaker 1>examiners out and actually have people we could trust in there,

626
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the murder rate is just going to drop. Dramatically right

627
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>over nor.

628
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, and the club.

629
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 4>Murders, isn't most of them, like corners elected the medical

630
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 4>examiners are not or something like that.

631
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 5>It depends what surprise me.

632
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you don't even hitten license to be a corner

633
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 4>or something. I can't remember what it was. When we

634
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:32.960
<v Speaker 4>were looking at best FK stuff that it was very

635
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 4>very intriguing how some of these corners can be elected

636
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 4>in or appointed in, not elected appointed in.

637
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, I will say that doctor Neguchi, he's worked on

638
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.920
<v Speaker 3>many famous people, and it's not that they've discredited him.

639
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 3>They just bury him, so nobody really knows about it.

640
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.960
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, I'm I'm sure that you never even

641
00:37:58.039 --> 00:37:59.719
<v Speaker 3>heard that name before, and he's worked on some of

642
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 3>the most famous people of all time and done their autopsies.

643
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 3>So it's not like they discredit him because he's not lying.

644
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Sarah Weck yeah, uh, he's got something to do

645
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.519
<v Speaker 3>with it too, but I can't remember. And actually Sarah

646
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 3>Weck worked on something to do with John Beney too. Yeah.

647
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 3>So these these medical examiners, it's not like people are

648
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 3>discrediting them, is that they bury them in everything that

649
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 3>they say. And you know, like with Marilyn, her fucking

650
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>organs go missing. So it's not like anybody can even

651
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 3>go back and do their own tests and shit and

652
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 3>come up with isn't like that the scientific theory is

653
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 3>to test it twice. They can't even do that because

654
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 3>the shit goes missing. So I do also want to

655
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:52.239
<v Speaker 3>talk about her lividity markings, which, for those who don't know,

656
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 3>lividity markings are when your blood settles in your body

657
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 3>after you die. So you can tell a lot by

658
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 3>the position someone was in when they died based on

659
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Speaker 3>the lividity markings. Because if you died on your back,

660
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 3>all the blood will settle to the back of your

661
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 3>body and your head, and it'll be really easy to

662
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 3>u analyze that and say this person died laying face

663
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 3>up right. But if you move a dead person a

664
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>bunch of times, they'll get multiple lividity markings because the

665
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 3>blood will start to settle. You flip them around, they'll

666
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:32.679
<v Speaker 3>get a secondary lividity marking. You flip them around again,

667
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 3>they'll get what's called the tertiary lividity markings. So the

668
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.800
<v Speaker 3>when Sergeant Clemens arrived on the scene, they said that

669
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Marilyn had not been moved at all. That that's how

670
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 3>they found her, that's how she died, and no questions asked.

671
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 3>This is this is how they find her. And she

672
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 3>she's laying in what's called the soldier's position, which is

673
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 3>face down with her arms and her legs straight down

674
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 3>by her sides. And they say that she wasn't moved

675
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.000
<v Speaker 3>at all after she died, and that she just took

676
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.719
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of pills and just laid there with her

677
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 3>head hanging off the bed and died. But she had

678
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 3>not only secondary lividity markings, she had tertiary lividity markings,

679
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 3>which means she had been flipped three times after she died,

680
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.639
<v Speaker 3>and with the bruises that she had on her body,

681
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 3>it would appear based on forensic evidence, this is not

682
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, that she died in a face down position

683
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 3>being held down, which caused the bruises, and then she

684
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 3>was flipped over onto her back face up for a

685
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 3>considerable period of time which caused secondary markings. And then

686
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 3>she was flipped over again in the face down death

687
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>position and left there until the police arrived. So she

688
00:40:55.400 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 3>was on one two, three times flipped after after death.

689
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 3>And again I don't know a lot of dead people

690
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 3>who get the fuck up and start flipping themselves around.

691
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 3>But explain to me how if she committed suicide she

692
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 3>was able to, fucking as a dead corpse flip herself

693
00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 3>around three or four times and then, you know, get

694
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 3>in the face down soldier's position before the cops arrive.

695
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:27.800
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make any sense.

696
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>The other thing left is she didn't shoot herself in

697
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.440
<v Speaker 2>the back of the head.

698
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 4>I was going to say that the face down position

699
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 4>agrees with the anima theory.

700
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes it did, and it also mad it make sense

701
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.199
<v Speaker 3>if she died in a face down position of a

702
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 3>sedative drug overdose, why she wouldn't have vomited and why

703
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 3>there would be no regurgitated material anywhere near her body.

704
00:41:55.760 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 3>If she died in a face down position with her

705
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.119
<v Speaker 3>head hanging off the bed.

706
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I saw on her back, I would think puking would

707
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 2>even be more of a reason for death.

708
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, and there there's no puke, and there's no no.

709
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I would picking actually.

710
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:17.000
<v Speaker 3>Sawed it right, And actually the medical examiner said her

711
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 3>stomach was empty and that she hadn't even eaten that day,

712
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.639
<v Speaker 3>and that she had drank some water. But that's it.

713
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 3>That in my opinion, makes me think she was highly

714
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.880
<v Speaker 3>stressed out. Because I don't know about any of you

715
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 3>ladies out there, but if I'm in a highly stressful situation,

716
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 3>the last thing I'm worried about doing is eating, And

717
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 3>like all day supposedly she was having arguments with Robert F. Kennedy,

718
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:44.800
<v Speaker 3>that he showed up at the house first thing in

719
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 3>the morning, that he was slamming shit around, slamming doors, screaming.

720
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.679
<v Speaker 3>The housekeeper and the neighbors confirmed it, and it's like

721
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 3>she hadn't even eaten that day. She was calling her

722
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 3>friend and saying she was stressed out, like she had

723
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff going on, and for there not

724
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 3>to be any vomit or any food in her stomach

725
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.920
<v Speaker 3>or anything like this, it just suggested to me like

726
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 3>she was already stressed out, there was a lot of

727
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 3>shit going on. She definitely didn't take pills.

728
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:21.199
<v Speaker 1>And the lividity marks being secondary and tertiary indicates to

729
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>me that the body was being moved, so she might

730
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Speaker 1>not have even died in that house. They just placed

731
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 1>her there afterwards.

732
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if she did die in the house.

733
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 3>If I'm being honest with you, and this is where

734
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.800
<v Speaker 3>it starts to get really weird, because they've the housekeeper

735
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 3>supposedly this is a story. The housekeeper finds Marilyn or no,

736
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't, Okay. The housekeeper says, she woke up around

737
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 3>midnight and she saw that the light was still on

738
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 3>in Marilyn's room, knocked on the door, tried the handle,

739
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 3>and she couldn't get in. She thought Marilyn had locked

740
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 3>herself in her bedroom and was having like some kind

741
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 3>of an anxiety attack because she wouldn't answer the door.

742
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:04.440
<v Speaker 3>So the how housekeeper supposedly called her psychiatrist to come

743
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 3>over to the house. The psychiatrist couldn't open the door,

744
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.559
<v Speaker 3>so he went around the front of the house, busted

745
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 3>in the window, crawled through Maryland's bedroom window, found her dead,

746
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 3>unlocked the bedroom door for the housekeeper to come in,

747
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 3>and then they took four hours to call the cops,

748
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 3>and in the meantime called Maryland's publicist, her primary care physician,

749
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 3>a bunch of like weird Hollywood agents, and then called

750
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:39.960
<v Speaker 3>the cops four hours later. Okay, so when Sergeant Clemens

751
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:43.039
<v Speaker 3>arrives to the scene, they've already known Maryland's been dead

752
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 3>for four fucking hours, and the housekeeper when he gets

753
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 3>to the house, is doing laundry and he's like, what

754
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 3>have you guys been doing for the last four to

755
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 3>five hours that you didn't call the cops and you

756
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 3>couldn't someone that Marilyn was dead. And she was like, well,

757
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 3>I've been doing laundry. Who the fuck are you doing

758
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.159
<v Speaker 3>laundry for when your employer is fucking dead as shit

759
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>in the next room, Like, I'm pretty sure Marylyn doesn't

760
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:15.719
<v Speaker 3>need her whites fucking washed and cleaned ready for Sunday.

761
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 3>She's dead, okay, So who are you doing laundry for?

762
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 3>And the laundry right, it's like and she hated Marylyn too,

763
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 3>She always told everybody what a dick she was, So

764
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 3>why in the event of her death are you still

765
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.320
<v Speaker 3>continuing to do her laundry for four hours?

766
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 6>And then.

767
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.599
<v Speaker 3>The UH sergeant is looking around and he says, why

768
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 3>is the bedroom window broken? And the psychiatrist gives him

769
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.119
<v Speaker 3>the story. He's like, well, I was called to the

770
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 3>house and the door was locked, so I had to

771
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 3>go around the front of the house and bust open

772
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.239
<v Speaker 3>the window to get inside the house. And he was like, oh,

773
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 3>that's weird. Why is all the glass on the outside

774
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 3>of the house then, and not on the inside in

775
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 3>the bedroom.

776
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 1>That's four hours of tampering with the with the scene

777
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 1>of the crime, you.

778
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, right, And think about it. If you were outside

779
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 3>of the house and you busted the window in and

780
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 3>then climbed through it to get to Maryland, why is

781
00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 3>all the glass in the grass outside and not on

782
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>the inside in the bedroom where the fuck it should

783
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 3>be if you broke into the window, there's no glass

784
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 3>in the bedroom. All the glasses on the fucking outside

785
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:33.800
<v Speaker 3>of the house, which is consistent with what somebody breaking

786
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 3>the window from inside of the bedroom, So that part

787
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 3>of the story doesn't fucking add up. And then he goes,

788
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.679
<v Speaker 3>all right, you busted in this window to get to Maryland.

789
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Did you do CPR? Did you No? I didn't touch

790
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 3>the body. Nobody touched the body. You're a psychiatrist, you're

791
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 3>a medical professional. You just busted in a window to

792
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 3>check on Maryland, who you don't even know is dead yet.

793
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 3>But you didn't bob to roll her over, You didn't

794
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 3>bother to administer CPR, you didn't bother to check if

795
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:08.639
<v Speaker 3>she was dead. You just assumed so, and fucking spent

796
00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 3>four hours sitting around the house before you call the police.

797
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.679
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense. Anybody knows if you stumble upon

798
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:19.199
<v Speaker 3>a person that looks like they're in any type of distress,

799
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 3>you check and see if they're breathing, and you administer CPR.

800
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.880
<v Speaker 3>Any medical professional knows that. But he's gonna bust through

801
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 3>a window to get to her and not even bother

802
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 3>to check her polls, didn't touch her at all, didn't

803
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.960
<v Speaker 3>do CPR nothing, She's dead, fuck her, and just sat

804
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 3>around the house for four hours, calling her fucking publicist

805
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:41.320
<v Speaker 3>before they they informed the police. Does that make sense?

806
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Somebody had to perfectly place that pill bottle over on

807
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>its side next to the bed, you know, I mean

808
00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:47.639
<v Speaker 1>that was a big job.

809
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 3>Well that's part of the next fucked up part of

810
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.840
<v Speaker 3>the story is Sergeant Clemens says, Okay, there's a knocked

811
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 3>over pill bottle on the side of the bed. You're

812
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.119
<v Speaker 3>as the side kiatrist trying to tell me that she

813
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 3>overdosed on pills. That's fine, he said, If that's true,

814
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 3>why oh why is there no drinking glass next to

815
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 3>the pills. So he starts looking. The sergeant starts looking around,

816
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 3>and the psychiatrist starts looking around and at that point

817
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:25.679
<v Speaker 3>her primary care providership for whatever the fuck reason, and

818
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 3>all three of them are looking around the bedroom, the bathroom,

819
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the house for a supposed drinking glass

820
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 3>that she could have used to take these pills. Not

821
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 3>only did they not find a drinking glass, they also

822
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.679
<v Speaker 3>found out that the water had been cut off to

823
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Marylyn's house because she was in the middle of renovations,

824
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 3>and it made it even less likely that she used

825
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 3>water out of a tap or any type of And

826
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:56.719
<v Speaker 3>so if the water is cut off from Maryland's house

827
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.440
<v Speaker 3>and there's no drinking glass anywhere, there's no juice on

828
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:03.079
<v Speaker 3>the table, there's nothing, there's no glass anywhere, how did

829
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Marylyn swallow sixty to seventy nambutah and nineteen to twenty

830
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 3>chloral hydrate tap? She dry swallowed him? Apparently that was

831
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:12.239
<v Speaker 3>their theory.

832
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Geez, I mean, you got all this stuff up, and

833
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>then you got to work backwards, you know, because at

834
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 1>this point you're never gonna get any answers as to

835
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the death. But to get the team in place that

836
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 1>could do that sort of thing, I mean, even though

837
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of an amateurist job. They still did a

838
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:33.480
<v Speaker 1>better job than most of the assassination crews back in

839
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties who just left tons and tons of evidence.

840
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:38.159
<v Speaker 5>You know, I think.

841
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 3>They did a little bit better of a cleanup job

842
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 3>with Maryland, but it still wasn't impeccable. Because the police

843
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:47.840
<v Speaker 3>sergeant steps away to talk to the housekeeper, asks her

844
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 3>some questions, and when he gets back to her room,

845
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>right before the press shows up and all the pictures

846
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:56.400
<v Speaker 3>are taken of Maryland found in the nude that was

847
00:49:56.400 --> 00:49:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the headline, Marylyn found in the nude pill bottle knocked

848
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.599
<v Speaker 3>out over there goes a fucking water glass right next

849
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.480
<v Speaker 3>to her nightstand, So who the fuck put that there?

850
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 3>It's in his notes. There was no drinking glass of

851
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.679
<v Speaker 3>any kind. They looked through the whole fucking house for

852
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 3>one and couldn't find it. But right before the people

853
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 3>show up to start taking pictures, there goes a fucking

854
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.639
<v Speaker 3>glass of water right next to the bed. So they're

855
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:25.119
<v Speaker 3>literally planting evidence in the face of the police officers.

856
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 3>They don't like, no fucks given kind of shit. And

857
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:35.440
<v Speaker 3>if she were to have taken as her autopsy report shows,

858
00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.719
<v Speaker 3>sixty to seventy nibutah. There wouldn't have been any pills

859
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 3>on the nightstand to be knocked over. The bottle would

860
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.079
<v Speaker 3>have been empty. She would have I mean, to have

861
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 3>the levels that she had in her body. There would

862
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 3>have been no pills left in the bottle for this

863
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:59.719
<v Speaker 3>fucking whatever, this this photo op. I mean, they did

864
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:04.400
<v Speaker 3>it literally just to make things look sensationalized, like look

865
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.239
<v Speaker 3>at these pills knocked over and there goes a water

866
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 3>glass that wasn't there five minutes ago. And I mean

867
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.880
<v Speaker 3>it just it does not make sense at all that

868
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 3>she would have died of a of a sedative drug overdose.

869
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:24.440
<v Speaker 3>And this guy sat Sergeant Jack Clemens, has tried to

870
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.199
<v Speaker 3>speak out multiple times. You can find him on YouTube.

871
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of videos of him talking about the

872
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:35.199
<v Speaker 3>crime scene. And you know he's buried and he wasn't

873
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 3>even asked to testify at the trial. So they've done

874
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:45.079
<v Speaker 3>a great job. The housekeeper's quarters were separate from Maryland's house.

875
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:47.480
<v Speaker 3>To Resa, they were it was like a guest cottage

876
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 3>with a washer and dryer in it. The main house

877
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:55.760
<v Speaker 3>had the water cut off, but the housekeeper's uh, I

878
00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 3>guess it was like a guest cottage. Where she did

879
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 3>laundry and shit and she lived. But also that that's

880
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:07.000
<v Speaker 3>an interesting thing to bring up because after the housekeeper

881
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:10.039
<v Speaker 3>was interviewed, she fucked off to Europe for like four

882
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 3>or five years and wasn't able to testify or be

883
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.920
<v Speaker 3>questioned either because her story didn't make any fucking sense.

884
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 5>And a housekeeper have enough money to fuck off in Europe.

885
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, Well, that's another great point, because you know, she

886
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 3>was questioned, her story didn't make sense, and then she

887
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 3>fucks off to Europe.

888
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:30.119
<v Speaker 7>And then.

889
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 3>The night that Maryland died, this guest cottage that I'm

890
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 3>talking about, and some of Maryland's personal items were broken

891
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:43.960
<v Speaker 3>into and stolen. Like in the guest cottage there was

892
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 3>a cabinet, a locked cabinet with Maryland's personal journals, and

893
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.159
<v Speaker 3>the night that she died it was forcibly broken into

894
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:56.480
<v Speaker 3>and all the journals were stolen. Why, oh why, if

895
00:52:56.760 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna commit suicide, use break into your own journal cabinet,

896
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 3>steal all of your own journals, hide them somewhere, roll

897
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 3>yourself around a few times after you die, clean up

898
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 3>your vomit apparently too, as a corpse, and then you

899
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 3>know it, just the amount of stuff that was found

900
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:20.000
<v Speaker 3>at the crime scene absolutely cannot be consistent with Marylyn

901
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 3>just being a depressed asshole who wanted to kill yourself.

902
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It just doesn't add up. And I don't even have

903
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.760
<v Speaker 3>to go conspiratorial to make this not add up. I'm

904
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 3>just telling you the literal forensic evidence that makes this

905
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 3>not add up. And I don't know if you guys

906
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:42.840
<v Speaker 3>are into like forensic files or any of like the

907
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.280
<v Speaker 3>detective shows or anything like that, but they always say

908
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 3>the same thing in those shows, and they say, you

909
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 3>cannot start off an investigation with a subject in your

910
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 3>mind and try to make evidence fit that subject because

911
00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:59.079
<v Speaker 3>that's who you want it to be. You have to

912
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 3>go into an investmenttigation and let the forensic evidence tell

913
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:08.159
<v Speaker 3>the story, and then you form your suspect list based

914
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:11.199
<v Speaker 3>off of that evidence. And so if we're gonna do

915
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.840
<v Speaker 3>that in the case of Maryland, suicide has already ruled off.

916
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 3>So who do we have left that killed her? Because

917
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:23.159
<v Speaker 3>the evidence would suggest this is a homicide. So we

918
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.840
<v Speaker 3>have the CIA, Maryland's involved in all kinds of weird

919
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 3>fucking programs. We have the Kennedys, and we also have

920
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the mafia because the Mafia and the Kennedys had Maryland's

921
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:45.159
<v Speaker 3>phones tapped. They that she was literally double tapped in

922
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 3>more ways than one, I'm sure. But they were running

923
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:52.119
<v Speaker 3>train on Maryland, the Mafia and the Kennedys tapping her phones,

924
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.280
<v Speaker 3>following her everywhere, and they were keeping up on her

925
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 3>fucking whereabouts and stuff that she was saying. So that

926
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.400
<v Speaker 3>is going to be my suspect list. I don't know

927
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.679
<v Speaker 3>if you guys have your own theories on that, but

928
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:13.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go Kennedy's CIA mafia.

929
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 5>Or oh, go ahead on the CIA tip.

930
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 1>What you're saying about her journals really reminds me a

931
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 1>lot of James Jesus Angleton's hunt for these journals of

932
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Mary pincho Meyer, right, and he.

933
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 3>With the Kennedy's.

934
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so he was he was hunting for these journals

935
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 7>that she had basically taken from the entire early part

936
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:42.840
<v Speaker 7>of the nineteen sixties, and basically he lost his whole

937
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:44.119
<v Speaker 7>mind looking for these things.

938
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He was seeing moles everywhere. And this is why we

939
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 1>have the Oracle Corporation today, is because they wanted to

940
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 1>get all of the information about the OSS and CIA

941
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Adam's head onto a spreadsheet before you know, he completely

942
00:55:56.199 --> 00:55:59.159
<v Speaker 1>lost his mind and died. But yeah, he was looking really,

943
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.079
<v Speaker 1>really hard. This went back to Watergate as well as

944
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:04.239
<v Speaker 1>many other things. That was the only thing stolen in

945
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Watergate was Mary pinchow Meyer's journals, and so for for

946
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe's journals to go missing in a locked cabinet.

947
00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 3>It seems like, and what are the coincidence that JFK

948
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:22.559
<v Speaker 3>was fucking both Mary pinchot Meyer and Maryland like he

949
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 3>was fucking boom and both of them ended up with

950
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:30.400
<v Speaker 3>stolen journals and fucking But here's the thing, because the

951
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.440
<v Speaker 3>mafia was running train on Maryland too. The mafia was

952
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 3>severely pissed the fuck off at the Kennedy's because they

953
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 3>got stabbed in the back by the Kennedys after they

954
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:44.440
<v Speaker 3>helped them get into office. So they had a fucking

955
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 3>bone to pick with the Kennedys, And so they could

956
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.320
<v Speaker 3>have framed the Kennedys because they were so openly in

957
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 3>a relationship. Both Bobby and John F. Kennedy were openly

958
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 3>in a relationship with Maryland. Everybody fucking knew about it,

959
00:56:59.480 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 3>So it would almost make sense that the mafia would

960
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 3>kill her and then frame the Kennedys to make it

961
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.719
<v Speaker 3>look like it was them because they hated them so much.

962
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.719
<v Speaker 3>And also there were a lot of other mafia related

963
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:16.760
<v Speaker 3>deaths in and around that time, death by massive overdose

964
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.280
<v Speaker 3>via Innima bulb. That was like one of their favorite

965
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 3>fucking things to do that you know they that almost

966
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.800
<v Speaker 3>is is untraceable. You just find a dead person and

967
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 3>there's no gunshot, no stab, no nothing, and you administer

968
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 3>it up their ass and it's just they're dead instantly

969
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 3>and you just go on about your day.

970
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 5>That was like a.

971
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 3>Weapon of choice, if you will, for the mafia, So

972
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:45.679
<v Speaker 3>for me and Robert Kennedy was there that morning at

973
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Marilyn's house. Her neighbors even said that they saw him

974
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 3>and then she dies that night. Maybe they set it

975
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 3>up to make it look like it was the Kennedys,

976
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.920
<v Speaker 3>but it really wasn't. But another thing that's weird is

977
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:04.480
<v Speaker 3>the CIA plays a big part to do with the

978
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 3>cleanup because after Maryland dies, who the fuck sends the

979
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.840
<v Speaker 3>cleanup crew over there? J Edgar Hoover? Why the fuck

980
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:18.599
<v Speaker 3>is j Edgar Hoover getting involved in Marilyn Monroe's so

981
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:22.960
<v Speaker 3>called suicide? Like if it's just a suicide and it's

982
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 3>just dry like that if it had nothing to do

983
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:29.480
<v Speaker 3>with the Kennedys or anyone else. Why is j Edgar

984
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Hoover getting involved with the cleanup crew? Your thoughts?

985
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:42.639
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, for sure, Right, it was a matter of

986
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:47.320
<v Speaker 6>national security to clean up that and take the journals

987
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:49.960
<v Speaker 6>because of her time with the Kennedy's.

988
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:54.480
<v Speaker 4>That it would compromise any information that was said. Let's

989
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.880
<v Speaker 4>just go with blandness, right, that it would compromise anything

990
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 4>any kind of conversations that was between Maryland and the

991
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 4>Kennedy boys. I would be wat Jay Edgar who are

992
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 4>but I mean Jayenger, who plays a lot of parts

993
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:12.199
<v Speaker 4>in a lot of these murders out of Hollywood. And

994
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.800
<v Speaker 4>I think, not to interrupt you, Headless, but like what

995
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.000
<v Speaker 4>Tara had said in the chat, and I was going

996
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 4>to bring that up too, And I think you've mentioned

997
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:19.559
<v Speaker 4>this in a previous show.

998
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 5>She had clearance lookout Mountain. Oh, yes, she did appearance

999
00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:30.239
<v Speaker 5>to some of the highest types of places.

1000
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I actually mentioned that. And we are scheduled to

1001
00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 3>do this episode. I hope you're on it, Lisa, and

1002
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Headless you too, But we're going to do Colby and

1003
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I are going to do Laurel Canyon. I think maybe

1004
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 3>next week isn't it. But the Lookout Mountain Laboratory is

1005
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 3>a big part of the Laurel Canyon scene, and only

1006
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 3>the highest of the highest, the tippity toppers, had clearance

1007
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.360
<v Speaker 3>to get into this place. So John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, somehow,

1008
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.400
<v Speaker 3>fucking Frank Sinatra with his mafia ass like a lot

1009
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.000
<v Speaker 3>of these guys had top secret clearance to get into

1010
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 3>this Lookout Mountain Laboratory. So don't think like I said

1011
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.039
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning of this episode that Marilyn didn't have

1012
01:00:13.079 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 3>a connection with some of these programs, because she definitely

1013
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 3>was involved in them. I think she was working as

1014
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.360
<v Speaker 3>like a sex kitten in some type of capacity, gathering information.

1015
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.239
<v Speaker 3>And then she might have not even been aware of

1016
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 3>her role in everything, like she might have not even

1017
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.360
<v Speaker 3>been aware of her altra personality. But she was definitely

1018
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.400
<v Speaker 3>serving a purpose. And some people say that the birthday

1019
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.840
<v Speaker 3>party close to the end of her life was what

1020
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.599
<v Speaker 3>did it for the Nail and the Coffin, because she

1021
01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 3>was not supposed to be at JFK's birthday party. She

1022
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.599
<v Speaker 3>was actually uninvited. They said, don't fucking show up. Nobody

1023
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 3>wants you here, and what does she do? She shows

1024
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 3>up anyways in a see through nude dress and sings

1025
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 3>Happy Birthday. She was like, not only am I showing up,

1026
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be the main attraction. And she literally sung

1027
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.360
<v Speaker 3>Happy Birthday to the President in front of Jackie in

1028
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:16.280
<v Speaker 3>a nude see through dress. And then she danced with

1029
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Bobby and John F. Kennedy all night and all the

1030
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:26.320
<v Speaker 3>pictures that were taken. The photographers were staying in a

1031
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.360
<v Speaker 3>hotel and the CIA pounded on all their doors that

1032
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:33.480
<v Speaker 3>night and confiscated all their cameras and all of their

1033
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 3>fucking photographs that they had taken and said, don't fucking

1034
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.719
<v Speaker 3>publish anything about the Kennedys and Marilyn Monroe. And then

1035
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.280
<v Speaker 3>like a couple months later, she turns up dead. But

1036
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.639
<v Speaker 3>I still don't think that rules out the mafia or

1037
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.199
<v Speaker 3>the CIA being in the driver's seat when it came

1038
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.400
<v Speaker 3>to her death. I just I'd love to say it

1039
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:57.599
<v Speaker 3>was the Kennedy's. I don't know if they had that

1040
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 3>type of fucking authority, you know, I think there were

1041
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 3>people working above them that got to make those calls.

1042
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think in a lot.

1043
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 5>Of ways you could.

1044
01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 1>You could go back to Peter Thield's boyfriend that showed

1045
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:16.239
<v Speaker 1>up at his birthday party uninvited and then he falls

1046
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 1>off of a balcony a couple of days later, So

1047
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 1>you've got that angle too. But I think, really, if

1048
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get down to it, when Jaegar Hoover's

1049
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:28.679
<v Speaker 1>in there looking for whatever he can find to clean

1050
01:02:28.760 --> 01:02:31.960
<v Speaker 1>up this this whole situation, you could say that he's

1051
01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.360
<v Speaker 1>got a long history of collecting compromont on a lot

1052
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>of people. And you see that with you know, going

1053
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:42.440
<v Speaker 1>after what's his name, MLK and other people, is like

1054
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:45.960
<v Speaker 1>he has to collect the compromont. So even as a

1055
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:50.119
<v Speaker 1>target of opportunity, you really get the idea that this

1056
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is part of what the FBI does, is they collect

1057
01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:56.719
<v Speaker 1>compromising information and they have no jurisdiction. I mean, there

1058
01:02:56.800 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 1>was according to everybody who you know, report on the crime,

1059
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.119
<v Speaker 1>there was no crime committed. It was just a pure

1060
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 1>So there's absolutely no reason jurisdictionally for them to even

1061
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 1>be there for them to do the cleanup. It should

1062
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 1>be well, I mean that should have been on the

1063
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.079
<v Speaker 1>priorities list too, Like what did the you know, FBI

1064
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:20.159
<v Speaker 1>steal from Marilyn Monroe's house. You know where was that declassified?

1065
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess we didn't get that declassification. Maybe that hurts

1066
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 1>too many people today, but I mean it's all tied

1067
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.880
<v Speaker 1>into the same thing. And really is there a difference

1068
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:32.960
<v Speaker 1>from the CIA to the mob considering Operation Underworld was

1069
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:37.039
<v Speaker 1>basically the marriage of the mob and the CIA, I

1070
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.440
<v Speaker 1>mean or OSS at the time. You know, Operation Underworld

1071
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:43.639
<v Speaker 1>it said we're going to let these mobsters continue their

1072
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:47.320
<v Speaker 1>racket on these ports, and we're just going to supervise

1073
01:03:47.440 --> 01:03:49.559
<v Speaker 1>them because they're the best ones to be able to

1074
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.039
<v Speaker 1>stop any kind of foreign interference. Well when did that

1075
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 1>ever stop? I don't think that Operation Underworld ever quit.

1076
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, And that's why I say that the heard death

1077
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 3>specifically cannot be debated at all. Was not a suicide

1078
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 3>based on forensic evidence, But who did it? That's the

1079
01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:13.400
<v Speaker 3>conspiratorial part, because I mean, sure we could say it's

1080
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.599
<v Speaker 3>one of three, one of four different agencies that could

1081
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:19.960
<v Speaker 3>have been working in fucking hoots together to clean this

1082
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:24.719
<v Speaker 3>up and to do it. But that is the conspiratorial

1083
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.199
<v Speaker 3>part of it. Because I can tell you, based on

1084
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.280
<v Speaker 3>forensic evidence that she didn't kill herself but I can't

1085
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 3>tell you who did it. And you know, they did

1086
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:40.159
<v Speaker 3>find a phone number for the Oval office that was

1087
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.480
<v Speaker 3>scribbled on a piece of paper and balled up in

1088
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Maryland's bed that was entered into evidence. They did find that.

1089
01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 3>I can tell.

1090
01:04:49.440 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 1>You that.

1091
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:56.400
<v Speaker 3>There were phone calls that Marilyn made that night that

1092
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:59.159
<v Speaker 3>would also suggest that she did not have any drugs

1093
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.719
<v Speaker 3>in her system, because she actually made a phone call

1094
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:04.559
<v Speaker 3>to one of her friends maybe fifteen minutes before the

1095
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 3>time of death, and her friend she did not have

1096
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 3>slurred speech, she was in a complete normal frame of mind.

1097
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:14.360
<v Speaker 3>She was talking about some projects she was working on

1098
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 3>that she was really excited about the future, and said

1099
01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:21.280
<v Speaker 3>that her psychiatrist had been weaning her off her sleeping

1100
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:24.599
<v Speaker 3>pills and asked if her friend had any and if

1101
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.719
<v Speaker 3>she did, could she bring some over because she was

1102
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:29.760
<v Speaker 3>having a hard time going to sleep. So if she

1103
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 3>had already taken sixty to seventy, Nimbutohl, why would she

1104
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:37.039
<v Speaker 3>be calling her friend fifteen minutes before the time of

1105
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.039
<v Speaker 3>her death in a completely normal frame of mind, without

1106
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 3>slurred speech or any indication that she had just taken

1107
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.960
<v Speaker 3>seventy sleeping pills and asking her friend for more sleeping pills.

1108
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't make sense at all. She also, right after

1109
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.760
<v Speaker 3>that phone call, made a phone call to her hair

1110
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.480
<v Speaker 3>stylist and confirmed her hair appointment for the next morning.

1111
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:04.679
<v Speaker 3>So tell me why, fifteen minutes before you're fucking dead,

1112
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 3>you're calling your hairstylist to confirm your hair appointment for

1113
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 3>the next morning, like that would be on your fucking

1114
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 3>priority list of things to do. None of this makes

1115
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:22.360
<v Speaker 3>sense whatsoever. And you know, in my opinion, the way

1116
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:26.199
<v Speaker 3>that they sprawl out with their head hanging off the

1117
01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.400
<v Speaker 3>bed and completely nude, just barely covered with a sheet,

1118
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:35.920
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, is a humiliation ritual for Marylyn because

1119
01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 3>she had no makeup on, her hair, looked like dogshit,

1120
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:43.199
<v Speaker 3>she was completely naked. You know, they did all this

1121
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 3>stuff to ch have bruises all over her body, and

1122
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.480
<v Speaker 3>that's the photo that they put as a headline Marylyn

1123
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.840
<v Speaker 3>found in the nude And for me, it's a humiliation

1124
01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:56.280
<v Speaker 3>ritual for Marylyn because no one, I don't care who

1125
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.679
<v Speaker 3>you are, whether you're vain or not, wants that to

1126
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.880
<v Speaker 3>be the last image that everyone sees of you, especially

1127
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 3>for a sex icon like Marylyn. And it's it's dehumanizing.

1128
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 3>And also for someone like Marilyn, who was, like I said,

1129
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:17.559
<v Speaker 3>like a sex icon. And she was a very dramatic

1130
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:20.880
<v Speaker 3>person and she was the life of the party, and

1131
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:24.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, she's in movies, you name it whatever. She

1132
01:07:24.440 --> 01:07:29.239
<v Speaker 3>was a avid journaler. She that's why they had to

1133
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.039
<v Speaker 3>break into that cabinet and steal all of her journals.

1134
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:37.639
<v Speaker 3>For someone like this, why is there no suicide note?

1135
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:41.760
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't make sense to me. If you take someone

1136
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:48.159
<v Speaker 3>with the personality like Marilyn, who is literally obsessed with herself,

1137
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:53.519
<v Speaker 3>there's no suicide note. Really, that just it just doesn't

1138
01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.360
<v Speaker 3>make sense to me. Whatso not even like a scribble

1139
01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:01.119
<v Speaker 3>of something something iconic. I mean, you're Marilyn Monroe and

1140
01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:03.960
<v Speaker 3>you're gonna kill yourself, you don't leave a suicide note.

1141
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:08.960
<v Speaker 3>It just that part always bothered me. I don't care

1142
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.280
<v Speaker 3>how depressed you are. At least if you're as famous

1143
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:16.520
<v Speaker 3>as Marilyn Monroe, you might think she would have scribbled

1144
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.119
<v Speaker 3>some shit down somewhere as a suicide note.

1145
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure she ain't even let herself be found

1146
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 2>the way she was.

1147
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:25.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so either. I don't think she would

1148
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:27.960
<v Speaker 3>have wanted to be found with no makeup on, completely

1149
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.560
<v Speaker 3>nude like that. I just still, I just I'm not

1150
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:31.199
<v Speaker 3>buying it.

1151
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.359
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of almost like a mindful I think, his

1152
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.840
<v Speaker 2>images of sex the less time, you're the last image

1153
01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:41.319
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have of this woman. Now it's fucked up,

1154
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:44.399
<v Speaker 2>and it still looks like it's sexual rights.

1155
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:47.439
<v Speaker 5>That's why I think so.

1156
01:08:47.720 --> 01:08:50.720
<v Speaker 4>The fact that so this is a textbook psychology one

1157
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:54.319
<v Speaker 4>on one, women take pills to commit suicide because women

1158
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:58.039
<v Speaker 4>are more vain in essence, right, They don't want, you know,

1159
01:08:58.039 --> 01:08:59.960
<v Speaker 4>their head blown off and then that be the last

1160
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:02.399
<v Speaker 4>thing you remember them. They actually want to look beautiful

1161
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.079
<v Speaker 4>in their casket, even through death.

1162
01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 5>They want to have that.

1163
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.680
<v Speaker 4>And so if Carolyn, let's just say, took pills because

1164
01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:11.600
<v Speaker 4>she wanted to commit suicide, and that would be because

1165
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.199
<v Speaker 4>she was vain, then she would have gotten dolled up

1166
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.520
<v Speaker 4>and taken the pills, and you know, even in an

1167
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:20.520
<v Speaker 4>neglige or something like that, been found that way or

1168
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:23.640
<v Speaker 4>so to speak. Right, the other thing is that the

1169
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.359
<v Speaker 4>fact that she was face down and naked does not

1170
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.279
<v Speaker 4>agree with the whole vain aspect of it, but it

1171
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:34.479
<v Speaker 4>agrees with someone that's pissed off at her that wants

1172
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:41.159
<v Speaker 4>for her entire image and for her whole for an infinitum,

1173
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:45.359
<v Speaker 4>to be forever ruined. And to me, and you had

1174
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 4>mentioned this on a previous show, that the fact that

1175
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:50.600
<v Speaker 4>she showed up at the John F.

1176
01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:54.680
<v Speaker 5>Kennedy's birthday party wearing what she wore.

1177
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:58.439
<v Speaker 4>And demanding to be you know, allowed in, and to

1178
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:01.680
<v Speaker 4>even have the balls to even go and seeing means

1179
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:04.720
<v Speaker 4>that she had that level of comfort with the Kennedys.

1180
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 4>She knew she wasn't going to be booed off stage,

1181
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.199
<v Speaker 4>She knew that Kennedy wasn't going to escort her off

1182
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.680
<v Speaker 4>or anything like that. She knew in her mind she

1183
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:16.479
<v Speaker 4>had that way with them that she could get away

1184
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 4>with it. But the one thing that I think that

1185
01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:22.720
<v Speaker 4>doesn't ever get I guess talked about enough, but you

1186
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:24.079
<v Speaker 4>mentioned it was.

1187
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.079
<v Speaker 5>What was Jacqueline.

1188
01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 4>Thinking at this point time seeing what's happening. She was humiliated,

1189
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.560
<v Speaker 4>She had to have been humiliated, if not Robert F.

1190
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:39.520
<v Speaker 4>Kennedy's wife had to have been humiliated, And for Marylynd

1191
01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:43.840
<v Speaker 4>to be found that way would have been humiliating for Marylyn.

1192
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:48.399
<v Speaker 4>And so to me, it's almost worned she had the

1193
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:50.319
<v Speaker 4>balls to show up because she was scorned.

1194
01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:51.720
<v Speaker 5>She was probably.

1195
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:55.079
<v Speaker 4>Pissed off that whatever had happened had happened, and she

1196
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.359
<v Speaker 4>was going to make a scene, and a scene she

1197
01:10:57.479 --> 01:11:02.680
<v Speaker 4>did make. But then in reverse, I think that somebody had,

1198
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:06.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, took her out in the worst way possible.

1199
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 3>I think so too, And that's why I can never

1200
01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.119
<v Speaker 3>say for sure who I think is responsible for it,

1201
01:11:14.159 --> 01:11:17.640
<v Speaker 3>because if we can all agree in this podcast that

1202
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.159
<v Speaker 3>it was a homicide, then the only thing left to

1203
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:27.119
<v Speaker 3>do after that is to look at your suspect list.

1204
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.359
<v Speaker 3>I think Jackie is definitely on there. I think that

1205
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:32.920
<v Speaker 3>all the Kennedy's are definitely on there. I think that

1206
01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Mafia is definitely on there. I think, you know, the

1207
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:40.880
<v Speaker 3>CIA is definitely on there. And what reeks to me

1208
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.479
<v Speaker 3>of this being almost kind of methodical and planned out

1209
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:50.359
<v Speaker 3>is like original autopsy report, missing, original police report, missing

1210
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:57.960
<v Speaker 3>official medical reports, missing internal organs, missing journals, broken into

1211
01:11:58.079 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 3>and stolen, all the tech app phone calls, all those

1212
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.600
<v Speaker 3>are recorded but missing. I mean, this is coming from

1213
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:11.159
<v Speaker 3>from on high somewhere. And could it have been the Kennedy's. Uh,

1214
01:12:11.439 --> 01:12:14.880
<v Speaker 3>maybe Jackie was just like one flew over the cuckoo's nest.

1215
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.319
<v Speaker 3>After that and was like, you gotta do fucking something

1216
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:24.199
<v Speaker 3>or I'm gonna start talking. I don't know, but I mean, it's.

1217
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:29.039
<v Speaker 5>Just to me, wasn't the So my whole thing with

1218
01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:29.960
<v Speaker 5>that is that.

1219
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:36.960
<v Speaker 4>The fact that Jackie knew of her husband being you know,

1220
01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:39.640
<v Speaker 4>sexually active in the community is that.

1221
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:41.720
<v Speaker 5>And she really didn't have a problem with it.

1222
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.079
<v Speaker 4>And at that point in time, most women kind of

1223
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:48.279
<v Speaker 4>turned a blind eye, but to be that public was interesting,

1224
01:12:48.439 --> 01:12:51.079
<v Speaker 4>and she did have the ear of Lyndon B.

1225
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:52.279
<v Speaker 5>Johnson. Linda B.

1226
01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:56.039
<v Speaker 4>Johnson was very backing Kennedy, and I believe so was

1227
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.199
<v Speaker 4>some other higher ups, And so I wonder.

1228
01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:02.479
<v Speaker 5>If maybe is conveniently placed that way.

1229
01:13:02.479 --> 01:13:04.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm not trying to peg Jackie as the person,

1230
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 4>but she knew of the affairs, that she was all

1231
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 4>aware of it, but not not to be embarrassed in

1232
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:16.000
<v Speaker 4>front of everyone at the party like that.

1233
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:19.800
<v Speaker 5>I don't see it going well.

1234
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.479
<v Speaker 1>There's the angle too, of trying to frame the Kennedy's

1235
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:26.319
<v Speaker 1>as being responsible for her death, because you know, she's

1236
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:29.239
<v Speaker 1>got this nuts walled up in inner bed and then

1237
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, none of this stuff makes sense, and maybe

1238
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:36.039
<v Speaker 1>they ordered her to show up at the birthday party

1239
01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:39.079
<v Speaker 1>wearing that dress to make it really look like maybe

1240
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:42.640
<v Speaker 1>somebody within the Kennedy camp decided to take action, And

1241
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a little bit more plausible. But

1242
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.319
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, you know, you basically asked for it.

1243
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, the people who are ordering you around going

1244
01:13:51.560 --> 01:13:55.279
<v Speaker 1>to these parties and screwing up people's lives, is it's

1245
01:13:55.279 --> 01:13:57.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna screw up your life too. You know, there's really

1246
01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.960
<v Speaker 1>nothing you can get away with that you won't pay for.

1247
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think, you know, if we're even going

1248
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:06.319
<v Speaker 3>to talk about Lyndon Johnson and like what ended up

1249
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:11.680
<v Speaker 3>having it happening to JFK, that it was JFK's assassination

1250
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:17.119
<v Speaker 3>did not there was not a long period of time

1251
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 3>in between Maryland and JFK. So the only problem I

1252
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:25.000
<v Speaker 3>have with the Kennedy theory that they wanted him dead too.

1253
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:34.960
<v Speaker 3>And JFK did die after Marylyn and he you know,

1254
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:37.720
<v Speaker 3>Lyndon Johnson, if we want to go with he could

1255
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.039
<v Speaker 3>have had to play a part in Maryland, and he

1256
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:43.079
<v Speaker 3>definitely played a part in what happened with JFK. He's

1257
01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:47.199
<v Speaker 3>a notorious murderer. I've actually covered him in a separate episode.

1258
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.880
<v Speaker 3>He hired hitman. One of them's name was Mac something

1259
01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:53.840
<v Speaker 3>or other. I can't remember his last name, but he

1260
01:14:55.039 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 3>hired this guy. Lyndon B. Johnson hired this hit man.

1261
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:02.439
<v Speaker 3>His name was Mac Wallace, I believe, to go take

1262
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:05.920
<v Speaker 3>out this guy who had uncovered a bunch of money

1263
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:10.319
<v Speaker 3>laundering stuff with Lyndon Johnson. And they rolled this guy's

1264
01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:15.199
<v Speaker 3>death a suicide. Even though he had supposedly blasted himself

1265
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:18.800
<v Speaker 3>in the chest five times with a shotgun and then

1266
01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:23.159
<v Speaker 3>gave him get put cyanide on a washrag and covered

1267
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:26.319
<v Speaker 3>his face with it. They still rolled it a suicide,

1268
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:29.439
<v Speaker 3>Like how on the fucking planet do you load a

1269
01:15:29.479 --> 01:15:34.039
<v Speaker 3>shotgun and blast your own chest out five times and

1270
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:37.399
<v Speaker 3>then go the extra mile of cyanide poisoning and they

1271
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.920
<v Speaker 3>still ruled it a suicide. That's Linda B. Johnson. Everyone

1272
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:45.600
<v Speaker 3>that is Lyndon B. Johnson. So, and his wife's a

1273
01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:49.039
<v Speaker 3>fucking asshole. She was fucking taking pictures with John Wayne

1274
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:53.279
<v Speaker 3>Gacy and shit. So I mean they are all corrupt,

1275
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:58.479
<v Speaker 3>ass fucking holes, ass fucking holes. And that's why I just,

1276
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:01.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, looking at Marylyn Stah or any of this shit,

1277
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and I do mention the connection with eyes wide shut

1278
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:10.520
<v Speaker 3>because I think that Stanley puts clues about shit into

1279
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 3>all of his movies.

1280
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:14.680
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna I look that up because you were

1281
01:16:14.720 --> 01:16:20.560
<v Speaker 4>talking about how there was that barbie that Helena was doing.

1282
01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:26.359
<v Speaker 4>So the barbie itself was the box Sugarplum Barbie doll,

1283
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:32.399
<v Speaker 4>and it was the opening scene of The Nutcracker. And

1284
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:36.760
<v Speaker 4>the dress that the barbie doll was wearing was a

1285
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 4>nod to the same dress that Marilyn Monroe and Jane

1286
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.319
<v Speaker 4>Russell wore, or I'm sorry, the one that Marilyn Monroe

1287
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:45.199
<v Speaker 4>wore in Gentlemen.

1288
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:46.640
<v Speaker 5>Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.

1289
01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:51.760
<v Speaker 3>Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, That's what it was. So it was

1290
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:55.880
<v Speaker 3>a nod to Marilyn Monroe and the just think of

1291
01:16:55.920 --> 01:17:01.000
<v Speaker 3>the title Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. And like I said at

1292
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:04.119
<v Speaker 3>the beginning of this fucking episode, I think the bleached

1293
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:09.119
<v Speaker 3>hair is a uh it's like a dog collar that

1294
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:13.279
<v Speaker 3>you wear, and it signals that this person it has

1295
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:16.039
<v Speaker 3>an altar or they're in some type of a program.

1296
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:21.960
<v Speaker 3>And what really bothers me is that Marilynd's psychiatrist, his

1297
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 3>name was doctor Greenson. I remember, okay, and this doctor

1298
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Greenson's family went on the Netflix documentary and said, my

1299
01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:37.439
<v Speaker 3>father loved his patience. He would never cover anything up

1300
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:40.439
<v Speaker 3>like this, he would never be involved in something like this.

1301
01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.039
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, listen, I don't give a fuck what

1302
01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:46.880
<v Speaker 3>doctor green Bean has to fucking say about this shit,

1303
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:49.600
<v Speaker 3>because he's one hundred per All you have to do

1304
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:52.640
<v Speaker 3>is flash a dollar amount in front of someone, and

1305
01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:56.439
<v Speaker 3>everybody has a price tag. I don't care how great

1306
01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.479
<v Speaker 3>your conscience is and how much you love your patience

1307
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:03.720
<v Speaker 3>and shit like that. If you were talking about Marilyn Monroe, here,

1308
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:07.800
<v Speaker 3>what dollars signed do I have to flash in front

1309
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 3>of you to make you go along with this story?

1310
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Because thank you, by the way, I think this shit

1311
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.680
<v Speaker 3>is important and if I can get people on board

1312
01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:21.680
<v Speaker 3>with this, it's a lot easier when we're talking about

1313
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:26.000
<v Speaker 3>things that continue to happen. This is all staged. It's

1314
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.600
<v Speaker 3>all a fucking setup, and it's some of it is sloppy,

1315
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:32.159
<v Speaker 3>and they don't even try very hard. And it took

1316
01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.600
<v Speaker 3>me five minutes in a Google search to find some

1317
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:36.760
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff. But you're never going to get that

1318
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 3>in a Netflix or HBO documentary. You know, you're never

1319
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:43.680
<v Speaker 3>going to get this shit in a mainstream documentary.

1320
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Right when you put it in context with things like

1321
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the Epstein happening, it starts to make sense why they

1322
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:53.079
<v Speaker 1>would want her to show up at this guy's birthday party,

1323
01:18:53.079 --> 01:18:56.000
<v Speaker 1>because now you've got compromise on him in front of

1324
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.479
<v Speaker 1>the entire world, saying, look, they're together right here at

1325
01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:02.479
<v Speaker 1>his birthday party and everything. So you know, that could

1326
01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:05.560
<v Speaker 1>be the intimidation tactic that they were using against JFK

1327
01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.119
<v Speaker 1>before they went the extra mile and put the extra

1328
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:11.840
<v Speaker 1>hole in his head, you know. So that's you know,

1329
01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that's that's.

1330
01:19:12.720 --> 01:19:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Kind of the thing.

1331
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:15.920
<v Speaker 1>You have to use these people around the guys for

1332
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:19.079
<v Speaker 1>methods of control. And maybe she didn't want to play

1333
01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:21.359
<v Speaker 1>the game anymore and that was the problem, and that's

1334
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:23.800
<v Speaker 1>why they had to take her out, is because you

1335
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:26.239
<v Speaker 1>can't have people not want to play your game if

1336
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:29.279
<v Speaker 1>your game involves, you know, the ruler of the free world.

1337
01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, and I also think, like Marilyn, it's like I

1338
01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:36.279
<v Speaker 3>kind of said earlier, she was very full of herself,

1339
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:39.640
<v Speaker 3>and I think she was overly confident that, oh, well,

1340
01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:42.439
<v Speaker 3>you can't kill me. I'm Marilyn Monroe. And I think

1341
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.159
<v Speaker 3>she did start getting a little obvious there towards the end,

1342
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:50.199
<v Speaker 3>with her infatuation with the Kennedy's, with her showing up

1343
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:54.159
<v Speaker 3>at the birthday party, it was almost like she was flaunting,

1344
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.119
<v Speaker 3>look what I can get away with, And you know,

1345
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:00.920
<v Speaker 3>as the saying goes, she fucked around and found out

1346
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:06.119
<v Speaker 3>which she could get away with. And you know, she

1347
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.319
<v Speaker 3>had relationships with known mobsters. She had relationships with Sam

1348
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:15.960
<v Speaker 3>g and Kanna, She had relationships with Frank Sinatra. She

1349
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:21.039
<v Speaker 3>even had a relationship with this Soviet spy named Frederick Field.

1350
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:28.520
<v Speaker 3>So there are obvious and clearly visible sexual relationships with

1351
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:32.159
<v Speaker 3>some of the top mob guys, the Kennedy's. I mean,

1352
01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:37.079
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about this wasn't just your average actress who

1353
01:20:37.199 --> 01:20:41.159
<v Speaker 3>had like an A list friends group. We're talking high

1354
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:46.399
<v Speaker 3>level military, high level political spheres, and Maryland's right in

1355
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:48.880
<v Speaker 3>the middle of all of it. And she got a

1356
01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.560
<v Speaker 3>little bit brazen, I think, and they just you know,

1357
01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:55.680
<v Speaker 3>had to do something with her. And I think that

1358
01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the way that they displayed her body was completely humiliating.

1359
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I think that was on purpose as fuck. And she'll

1360
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:09.680
<v Speaker 3>forever be known as this depressed woman who killed herself

1361
01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:11.159
<v Speaker 3>and took a bunch of pills and they found her

1362
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:16.079
<v Speaker 3>naked body in her bedroom. But if you look even

1363
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:19.600
<v Speaker 3>to this day, there are so many cosmetic lines that

1364
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:24.680
<v Speaker 3>are dedicated to Marylyn. People decorate their houses with pictures

1365
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:30.920
<v Speaker 3>of Marylyn. I mean, if you go to any fucking Target, Walmart, wherever,

1366
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.319
<v Speaker 3>there's always some type of Marilyn esque thing that you

1367
01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:37.479
<v Speaker 3>can do by to hang up in your house. And

1368
01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:42.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like, would she be as famous as she is

1369
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:45.199
<v Speaker 3>if this is if she wouldn't have died in this way,

1370
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:49.560
<v Speaker 3>because you know, sometimes death can make you infamous. Like

1371
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.640
<v Speaker 3>there were a lot of actresses that were just as

1372
01:21:52.680 --> 01:21:55.119
<v Speaker 3>big as Marylyn around the time that she was big,

1373
01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:58.520
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't get a horrible humiliation ritual death, and

1374
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:03.359
<v Speaker 3>nobody knows about their names anymore, so is Marilyn. It's

1375
01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:07.439
<v Speaker 3>almost like I have to lean towards the spirituality aspect

1376
01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:11.039
<v Speaker 3>of this and say, is this another type of twenty

1377
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:15.119
<v Speaker 3>seven club Faustian bargain? You want to be famous? Will

1378
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.000
<v Speaker 3>make you famous, Everyone will know you for the rest

1379
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:22.239
<v Speaker 3>of forever and throughout time and eternity. And maybe she

1380
01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:25.359
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what that meant when she signed up for that,

1381
01:22:26.199 --> 01:22:30.520
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know. I mean, I find there are

1382
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:35.159
<v Speaker 3>so many layers to this and she could easily be

1383
01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:39.680
<v Speaker 3>one of those Faustian bargains that you know, she became

1384
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.159
<v Speaker 3>famous in death because of her death.

1385
01:22:45.359 --> 01:22:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I wanted to bring up the angle of pop art.

1386
01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:52.760
<v Speaker 1>So one of the most famous portraits of Maryland was

1387
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:58.239
<v Speaker 1>done by the pop artist let me see here. Everybody

1388
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.359
<v Speaker 1>knows his name, I forgot, but you've got the different

1389
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>panels showing the different colors on Marilyn's face that were,

1390
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, originally photographs that they colored in, and it

1391
01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>was seen as like something so iconic from that period

1392
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>because of the fact that you know, this is like

1393
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.600
<v Speaker 1>who all the women aspire to be and all the

1394
01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:23.119
<v Speaker 1>men aspire to be with. And there's something really sort

1395
01:23:23.119 --> 01:23:26.399
<v Speaker 1>of dangerous when you have that type of mainstreaming of

1396
01:23:26.439 --> 01:23:30.119
<v Speaker 1>a certain person as the face of all of that culture.

1397
01:23:30.159 --> 01:23:32.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially when you've got you know, people like

1398
01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift today sort of taking on that role of

1399
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>being like this you know, blonde pop icon and.

1400
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.840
<v Speaker 3>Really Madonna too, the blonde wore herself right.

1401
01:23:45.000 --> 01:23:49.319
<v Speaker 1>The less details and information you get about these faces,

1402
01:23:49.760 --> 01:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, just faces with different colors on them, faces

1403
01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:56.840
<v Speaker 1>staring back at you, faces having some sort of value

1404
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.880
<v Speaker 1>beyond what you see. Keeping them on the shallow end

1405
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>is one of the most important tasks for any handler

1406
01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:06.399
<v Speaker 1>or publicist for these people, because as soon as they

1407
01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>start getting into deeper waters, that's when you start to

1408
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:10.840
<v Speaker 1>see the problems start to emerge. Because we don't have

1409
01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:14.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of consistency when it comes between our pop

1410
01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>culture and our values and ideals. There's not a lot

1411
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>of crossover there. So I think for all of the

1412
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Satanism that's coming out around these pop stars now, I

1413
01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:30.039
<v Speaker 1>think that's just sort of like a resurgence of keeping

1414
01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:32.479
<v Speaker 1>people on the surface, because really, who wants to hang

1415
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.279
<v Speaker 1>out around Satanists. I've never really met anybody who wants

1416
01:24:35.279 --> 01:24:38.479
<v Speaker 1>to be close to people who openly profess their love

1417
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>for you know, evil, you.

1418
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:43.439
<v Speaker 3>Know right well, and you know it's It's like, I

1419
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:47.840
<v Speaker 3>think Marylyn is an archetype that they keep recreating through

1420
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:52.239
<v Speaker 3>different people, And I think it's a it's a perpetual pattern.

1421
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Like you said, it's Marylyn and then it's you know

1422
01:24:56.319 --> 01:25:00.560
<v Speaker 3>whoever else, and it's Madonna, then it's Britney, then it's Tailor,

1423
01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:04.359
<v Speaker 3>and it's and it's always like a Lady Gaga and

1424
01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:08.039
<v Speaker 3>it's like an archetype of this person, and you know,

1425
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:12.520
<v Speaker 3>ritualistically speaking, and we could get into pop culture with

1426
01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:17.359
<v Speaker 3>this too. Elton John wrote a song about Marylyn Candle

1427
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:20.960
<v Speaker 3>in the wind right. Everybody loves this song, but he

1428
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:26.760
<v Speaker 3>changed the words and he performed it at Princess Diana's funeral,

1429
01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:32.039
<v Speaker 3>and she was also killed in August, very ritualistically, so

1430
01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>we have another August connection and Elton John immortalizing both

1431
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.520
<v Speaker 3>of them with the same song, just different lyrics.

1432
01:25:42.279 --> 01:25:47.079
<v Speaker 4>And when Elton John did that, I thought that was

1433
01:25:47.119 --> 01:25:50.520
<v Speaker 4>a nod to tell everyone that Marilyn was murdered.

1434
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:54.359
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and I think a program multiple as well.

1435
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.279
<v Speaker 3>I think that he knew a bunch of shit that

1436
01:25:57.399 --> 01:25:59.880
<v Speaker 3>he wasn't really going to ever let up on and

1437
01:26:01.680 --> 01:26:04.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, to go along with the eights as well.

1438
01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:08.560
<v Speaker 3>She was murdered on eight for sixty two and then

1439
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.239
<v Speaker 3>she was her funeral was eight eight sixty two, so

1440
01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:15.479
<v Speaker 3>they completed the ritual by burying her on eight eight eight.

1441
01:26:16.199 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 3>And you know, it's like I said, Diana died in

1442
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:25.119
<v Speaker 3>August two in the nineties. There's just you know, her

1443
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:28.479
<v Speaker 3>fucking body went missing for ten hours the day of

1444
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:35.239
<v Speaker 3>the funeral. Why why. I just you know, she lives.

1445
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:40.199
<v Speaker 3>She lives in Laurel Canyon on Helena Drive. And there's

1446
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:43.039
<v Speaker 3>just a lot of stuff with this that if you

1447
01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:46.199
<v Speaker 3>look at it from a conspiratorial angle, there's a ton

1448
01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:48.800
<v Speaker 3>of information you can gather. If you look at it

1449
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:52.159
<v Speaker 3>just facts you'res from the forensic angle, there's a ton

1450
01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:54.840
<v Speaker 3>of information you can gather, and then you mix those

1451
01:26:54.840 --> 01:26:57.560
<v Speaker 3>two things together, and to me, this is one of

1452
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:00.840
<v Speaker 3>the interesting, most interesting cases of all time that I

1453
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>feel like goes completely unnoticed because you watch a Netflix

1454
01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.880
<v Speaker 3>documentary and you think you fucking know everything about it.

1455
01:27:07.520 --> 01:27:11.560
<v Speaker 3>And I don't think it's a coincidence that she ushered

1456
01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:16.039
<v Speaker 3>in the blood diamonds. You know, diamonds are a girl's

1457
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:19.319
<v Speaker 3>best friend, or diamonds are forever whatever the fuck she

1458
01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:26.119
<v Speaker 3>said expert right, Well, I mean literally, they don't have.

1459
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>A diamonds in Israel, but there Israel's number one expert

1460
01:27:29.039 --> 01:27:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is the diamonds.

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01:27:30.359 --> 01:27:36.039
<v Speaker 3>Thanks to Marylyn, right right. But you know, there are

1462
01:27:36.119 --> 01:27:40.000
<v Speaker 3>so many things too that I don't even know if

1463
01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:43.479
<v Speaker 3>you guys want to get into. But there were there

1464
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 3>were conversations that were taped between Marylyn and her psychiatrists

1465
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:53.640
<v Speaker 3>that later went missing, but they they were listened to

1466
01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:58.359
<v Speaker 3>by police officers who later kind of gave their opinion

1467
01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:03.239
<v Speaker 3>on them. And her psychiatrist sessions, she would talk about

1468
01:28:03.279 --> 01:28:07.840
<v Speaker 3>her relationships with the Kennedys, and she would also talk

1469
01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:13.239
<v Speaker 3>about how basically she thought she was too smart for

1470
01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:15.680
<v Speaker 3>anything to ever happen to her, that she was very

1471
01:28:15.800 --> 01:28:19.119
<v Speaker 3>much so looking forward to her future, that she thought

1472
01:28:19.199 --> 01:28:21.920
<v Speaker 3>she had everything going for her. She had a bunch

1473
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>of projects she was working on, and her psychiatrist wrote

1474
01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:29.279
<v Speaker 3>in the notes that it would be highly unlikely for

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01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:35.000
<v Speaker 3>someone in Maryland's mental state to commit suicide because she

1476
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:40.279
<v Speaker 3>didn't have any of the red flags that would say

1477
01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:43.000
<v Speaker 3>this person is depressed and wants to commit suicide. It

1478
01:28:43.079 --> 01:28:45.760
<v Speaker 3>was the exact opposite. Actually, she was a very confident

1479
01:28:45.800 --> 01:28:49.319
<v Speaker 3>person and the only prescription that she was on was

1480
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:52.359
<v Speaker 3>some sleeping pills that she was actually getting weaned off of.

1481
01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:57.359
<v Speaker 3>So for her to have out of nowhere had this

1482
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:01.399
<v Speaker 3>type of an overdose with Like I said, the amount

1483
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:03.560
<v Speaker 3>that was found in her bloodstream didn't even match the

1484
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:07.079
<v Speaker 3>prescription that she had access to. It just you know,

1485
01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:10.119
<v Speaker 3>it's not You're not gonna sell it to me that

1486
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:12.960
<v Speaker 3>this was a sedative drug overdose. You're not gonna you're

1487
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:13.840
<v Speaker 3>not gonna sell it to me.

1488
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:18.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the mob angle is very important, especially

1489
01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>considering how mob connected. All the movie studios were, all

1490
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:26.479
<v Speaker 1>the recording industry, everything else out in LA at that

1491
01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>time was basically controlled by the Mob. So it's generally

1492
01:29:30.800 --> 01:29:33.399
<v Speaker 1>been that way. Is that the entertainment industry is kind

1493
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of like the slush fund for mobsters because they need

1494
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to wash a lot of money, and a good way

1495
01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:42.199
<v Speaker 1>to do that is through the movie industry because they

1496
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>need a massive amount of funding. And whether the movie

1497
01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.319
<v Speaker 1>windsor loses, you're still going to wash that money in

1498
01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the in the public, you know, uh, viewing of these movies.

1499
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:57.079
<v Speaker 1>So having that as sort of a basis for money

1500
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>laundering is very important when it comes to figure like

1501
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Marilyn Monroe and you know icons or you know, archetypes

1502
01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:09.439
<v Speaker 1>like her. Ever since, because we are still being influenced

1503
01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>by the Mob, I think it's changed focus or changed

1504
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:14.560
<v Speaker 1>form a lot, and now we're looking at the Mob

1505
01:30:14.640 --> 01:30:17.479
<v Speaker 1>being all these NGOs, you know, And if you think

1506
01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>about it, the Mob's always sort of been an ngo.

1507
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.239
<v Speaker 1>You've always got the dark side of the state that

1508
01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, engages in human trafficking, drug trafficking, and you

1509
01:30:26.920 --> 01:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>know all the rest of that stuff. But the only

1510
01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>way to control it is to be a part of it.

1511
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.319
<v Speaker 1>And so every that has done that. And now we're

1512
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:40.119
<v Speaker 1>seeing all these non governmental organizations smuggling people across the border.

1513
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:43.479
<v Speaker 1>That's just the same old mob tactics. They're just figuring

1514
01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:45.319
<v Speaker 1>out different ways to launder money.

1515
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:50.439
<v Speaker 3>All one hundred. And you know, I do think that

1516
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:55.760
<v Speaker 3>they continue to do this type of shit with modern

1517
01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:59.239
<v Speaker 3>day celebrities. I don't think that it's changed at all.

1518
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:03.439
<v Speaker 3>I think they might be a little bit more secretive

1519
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.800
<v Speaker 3>about it. But I think a lot of like I

1520
01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:10.159
<v Speaker 3>said in the Program to Kill episodes, I think a

1521
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:15.319
<v Speaker 3>lot of serial killers, celebrities, politicians. I think they're all

1522
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:20.399
<v Speaker 3>actors and they're all playing multiple roles, and I think

1523
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:26.119
<v Speaker 3>they're interchangeable even sometimes. And Marilyn's an actress, she's playing

1524
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:29.760
<v Speaker 3>multiple roles. I think that, you know, a lot of

1525
01:31:29.439 --> 01:31:32.680
<v Speaker 3>the shit that we see, even with politicians, they're all

1526
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>fucking actors. And I think it starts with them as children,

1527
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:42.239
<v Speaker 3>if they can get them that young. Because it's like

1528
01:31:42.279 --> 01:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>I said, they found Marylyn in an orphanage and She's

1529
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.199
<v Speaker 3>probably an SRA times ten. You know, Mom wasn't looking

1530
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.199
<v Speaker 3>out for her, Dad was out of the picture, and

1531
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:58.079
<v Speaker 3>they just they probably SRA this woman into oblivion and

1532
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:02.840
<v Speaker 3>then they replaced her with the Marilyn Monroe. But I

1533
01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:07.199
<v Speaker 3>also think, if we're getting back to pop culture, Marilyn

1534
01:32:07.439 --> 01:32:11.439
<v Speaker 3>Manson said that he got his name, you know, as

1535
01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:15.000
<v Speaker 3>inspiration from Maryland. And look at this fucking guy and

1536
01:32:15.039 --> 01:32:18.479
<v Speaker 3>he's best friends with one of the what in my opinion,

1537
01:32:18.640 --> 01:32:24.399
<v Speaker 3>CIA serial killers, Damian Eccles, Okay WESTMINSS three type shit.

1538
01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.920
<v Speaker 3>He also said they're gonna blame me for Columbine. So

1539
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know pop culture wise, again, like I said, yeah,

1540
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Maryland had a shitty fucking Nima death, but she is

1541
01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.640
<v Speaker 3>literally like an archetype now she's like a grand high

1542
01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:46.560
<v Speaker 3>priestess that gets worshiped in like many different ways. I mean,

1543
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:48.399
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what you guys think about that, but

1544
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:50.960
<v Speaker 3>that's just my opinion. Obviously.

1545
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.319
<v Speaker 1>What better symbol for population control? You know, once you

1546
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>reach the top, it's time to take yourself out. You know,

1547
01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:02.479
<v Speaker 1>that whole idea of you know, escaping your problems through

1548
01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:05.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, the S word. I don't know we're on YouTube,

1549
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.520
<v Speaker 1>so you got to be careful. But escaping your problems

1550
01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:12.439
<v Speaker 1>through that is, you know, oftentimes the best way for

1551
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>celebrities and all these politicians to to you know, clock

1552
01:33:16.920 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>out and having that as your symbol for success or

1553
01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>your archetype of success. Especially for a lot of young

1554
01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.159
<v Speaker 1>impressionable girls who are playing with Barbie dolls that have

1555
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:29.119
<v Speaker 1>her face on it, it's going to start to take

1556
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>a toll and you're going to see a lot of

1557
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>that impacting young people in that negative way. And what

1558
01:33:36.119 --> 01:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>better example than Marilyn Manson who has always been kind

1559
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>of like this poster child of you know self self

1560
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>offering sort of capitalism. You know, he's playing off of

1561
01:33:47.880 --> 01:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the insecurities of these young kids. He's not giving them

1562
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a vision of hope. He's not giving them a vision,

1563
01:33:52.840 --> 01:33:55.920
<v Speaker 1>a positive vision of the future. I mean, when when's

1564
01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.479
<v Speaker 1>the last time pop music has ever given a positive

1565
01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>vision of the future. To look at pop music nowadays,

1566
01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:05.239
<v Speaker 1>and all of all of their descriptions of love sound

1567
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:09.079
<v Speaker 1>more like a mental illness, you know, I mean, yeah,

1568
01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:14.199
<v Speaker 1>no shit, where's the where's the positivity anywhere? And they

1569
01:34:14.199 --> 01:34:16.760
<v Speaker 1>have all the bubblegum colors and stuff but they don't

1570
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.159
<v Speaker 1>really have any of that positivity behind it, and it's

1571
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it's really hard not to see that once you start

1572
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to listen to it a little.

1573
01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Bit, especially like with Degaga Jesus Christ. She literally has

1574
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>a song called Judas and she says she's in love

1575
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:33.279
<v Speaker 3>with Judas. I don't know why nobody brings that song

1576
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:35.640
<v Speaker 3>up more often, she literally and then she did an

1577
01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:39.279
<v Speaker 3>interview with it and she's like, I'm struggling within myself,

1578
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.560
<v Speaker 3>like my womininity, like I'm attracted to Judas. I find

1579
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.319
<v Speaker 3>it sexual, and you know, it's just weirdness like that.

1580
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:53.119
<v Speaker 3>And actually Anton Levey has a dedication in his Satanic

1581
01:34:53.199 --> 01:35:00.960
<v Speaker 3>Bible too, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield and uh, actress by

1582
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.079
<v Speaker 3>the name of Tuesday Weld, which is somebody that I

1583
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:06.920
<v Speaker 3>talk a lot about with Sean McCann because she's also

1584
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:14.000
<v Speaker 3>a witch, a known witch and you know, admitted which. Yeah,

1585
01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:17.520
<v Speaker 3>So think about those three women that I just mentioned Tuesday.

1586
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.439
<v Speaker 3>Tuesday's got some fucked up shit going on. She's not

1587
01:35:20.560 --> 01:35:24.159
<v Speaker 3>dead though, Jane Mansfield and Maryland look what the fuck

1588
01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:28.840
<v Speaker 3>they got And they're all mentioned in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible.

1589
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:33.079
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, you know, I don't know. There's there's

1590
01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:37.840
<v Speaker 3>definitely something more at play than what meets the eye.

1591
01:35:37.880 --> 01:35:40.880
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much my entire presentation. And you guys, can

1592
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:44.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, ask any questions or anything like that. It's

1593
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:46.560
<v Speaker 3>a lot of information to take in at once, I know.

1594
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:50.960
<v Speaker 3>But if you leave this this podcast, if you're actually

1595
01:35:51.000 --> 01:35:52.880
<v Speaker 3>paying attention to it, and you listen to it from

1596
01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:55.239
<v Speaker 3>start to finish, and you still think Marylyn took a

1597
01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.520
<v Speaker 3>bunch of pills and killed herself, I don't know what

1598
01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.319
<v Speaker 3>the fuck to tell you. You should listen to Joe

1599
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Rogan with the rest of the retards, because this is

1600
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:03.359
<v Speaker 3>not the podcast for you.

1601
01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so unfortunate because we sort of downplay facts

1602
01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:12.760
<v Speaker 1>that are inconvenient and we go along with the mainstream narrative.

1603
01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's one of the main pushes with

1604
01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:21.399
<v Speaker 1>pop icons like Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Monroe, because you're

1605
01:36:21.439 --> 01:36:24.720
<v Speaker 1>just not supposed to think right like these are people

1606
01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>who they put in front of you and say, isn't

1607
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>this what you want? Don't think about it, you know,

1608
01:36:29.600 --> 01:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and you get those every generation. You get the boy

1609
01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:37.199
<v Speaker 1>bands and the pop princesses. Here's what we're offering this

1610
01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>is what you want, and you're not supposed to think.

1611
01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:42.640
<v Speaker 1>You're not supposed to apply your own values to it.

1612
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>You're just supposed to see and want, you know. And

1613
01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:48.279
<v Speaker 1>that goes back into the whole Barbie scenario too. You

1614
01:36:49.119 --> 01:36:51.279
<v Speaker 1>did a couple of shows on Barbie that were really

1615
01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:54.760
<v Speaker 1>good talking about how this is like the introduction of

1616
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>a prostitute icon into American culture. That's just sort of

1617
01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:01.640
<v Speaker 1>just skindy. You're not supposed to think about it. It's

1618
01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:03.479
<v Speaker 1>just supposed to be right there, and that's supposed to

1619
01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>be who you want to be.

1620
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:08.479
<v Speaker 3>You know, not right because with the Barbie think about

1621
01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:13.279
<v Speaker 3>what little girls had before Barbie's. They had babies, and

1622
01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:16.439
<v Speaker 3>you it was a symbol of motherhood and where you

1623
01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:19.039
<v Speaker 3>were headed in life. Because when you're a little girl,

1624
01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:21.199
<v Speaker 3>you have a baby and you put in a fucking

1625
01:37:21.239 --> 01:37:23.760
<v Speaker 3>stroller and you feed it fucking carrots or whatever you do.

1626
01:37:23.800 --> 01:37:26.520
<v Speaker 3>You change it's stiper, and that's what you do with

1627
01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:29.680
<v Speaker 3>the onesie on it. I had lots of babies when

1628
01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.359
<v Speaker 3>I was a little girl, and then all of a sudden,

1629
01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:37.199
<v Speaker 3>it was like Barbie dolls that had tits and ass

1630
01:37:37.319 --> 01:37:39.880
<v Speaker 3>and you put little mini skirts on them, and they

1631
01:37:39.920 --> 01:37:43.880
<v Speaker 3>have boyfriends and then you act out weird sexual scenes

1632
01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.279
<v Speaker 3>with your friends and your barbies. I know the fuck

1633
01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:49.319
<v Speaker 3>I did. I'd be like, Oh, this one's my boyfriend,

1634
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:52.359
<v Speaker 3>and you know, you're you know, you're gonna stay home

1635
01:37:52.399 --> 01:37:54.399
<v Speaker 3>and watch the kids, and me and my boyfriend are

1636
01:37:54.439 --> 01:37:56.560
<v Speaker 3>going to go out and we're gonna go party. And

1637
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.359
<v Speaker 3>that's what Barbie was. It was like a party girl

1638
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.000
<v Speaker 3>skirts And this was the introduction. And one of the

1639
01:38:03.039 --> 01:38:08.800
<v Speaker 3>first Barbies that they modeled off of was a prostitute doll.

1640
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Anybody can google this. It was base And all they

1641
01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:17.039
<v Speaker 3>did to make this a Barbie and not a prostitute

1642
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:20.800
<v Speaker 3>doll was they removed the nipples and the puss slips

1643
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:24.520
<v Speaker 3>off of this doll. It was literally the same doll.

1644
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:29.359
<v Speaker 3>This literally, somebody fucking google it. It was called something

1645
01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:32.119
<v Speaker 3>or other. It was a prostitute doll that you could

1646
01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:36.760
<v Speaker 3>get in like sex shops, and it had red hair

1647
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and it had like a little short dress on. And

1648
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>all they did when they made it a Barbie doll

1649
01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.640
<v Speaker 3>was take the puss and the nips off of it

1650
01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:51.199
<v Speaker 3>and they sold it to children and parents. At first

1651
01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:54.720
<v Speaker 3>when they saw this doll were like, what the fuck

1652
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:58.119
<v Speaker 3>are you doing? And they pushed it so hard to

1653
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:00.960
<v Speaker 3>go ahead, Lily, build Lily.

1654
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:05.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was a German risque gag gift for men

1655
01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:07.600
<v Speaker 4>that was based on a cartoon character from the West

1656
01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:11.319
<v Speaker 4>German newspaper build un noun.

1657
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:17.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't speak German, sorry that one.

1658
01:39:19.039 --> 01:39:22.760
<v Speaker 3>See look at that? People think I make this ship up.

1659
01:39:23.000 --> 01:39:27.399
<v Speaker 3>It was literally a fucking sex doll that they took

1660
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:32.760
<v Speaker 3>the nips off of and made into a child's toy. Uh,

1661
01:39:32.840 --> 01:39:35.600
<v Speaker 3>so they get rid of the babies. Why would you

1662
01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>want to do that? Motherhood is gross. Here's a sex

1663
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:41.600
<v Speaker 3>doll for you to dress up and act out weird

1664
01:39:41.640 --> 01:39:47.319
<v Speaker 3>sexual scenes with. And uh, they obviously make a Maryland one,

1665
01:39:47.439 --> 01:39:50.840
<v Speaker 3>or at least they pay homage to Maryland with Barbie.

1666
01:39:51.319 --> 01:39:53.000
<v Speaker 3>And uh, every.

1667
01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:56.159
<v Speaker 1>New generation they've got another Maryland doll that they're selling

1668
01:39:56.199 --> 01:39:57.439
<v Speaker 1>to because you know, these are.

1669
01:39:57.319 --> 01:39:59.880
<v Speaker 3>What are they the collectors Barbies.

1670
01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Collector's edition, you know, four hundred dollars Maryland Barbie doll

1671
01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:05.279
<v Speaker 1>every ten years.

1672
01:40:05.760 --> 01:40:09.680
<v Speaker 3>And what about fucking the high Witch herself, Kim k

1673
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:13.199
<v Speaker 3>She shows up to one of the awards shows in

1674
01:40:13.319 --> 01:40:17.039
<v Speaker 3>one of Maryland's dress, the dress actually the nude see

1675
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:19.920
<v Speaker 3>through dress. They say that she didn't have to alter

1676
01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:23.279
<v Speaker 3>it at all, that she just fit right into it. Dude,

1677
01:40:23.479 --> 01:40:26.279
<v Speaker 3>bet her ass busted through that dress the second she

1678
01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.279
<v Speaker 3>put it on. There was definitely alterations that were made

1679
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:32.000
<v Speaker 3>to get her into that dress. You're not telling me

1680
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:35.159
<v Speaker 3>Kim k just stepped into Maryland's dress and was able

1681
01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:35.720
<v Speaker 3>to wear it.

1682
01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:41.199
<v Speaker 4>No fucking way, dude.

1683
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:45.039
<v Speaker 3>I do think it was significant that she wore it, though.

1684
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:46.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, for sure.

1685
01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:50.720
<v Speaker 1>It seems like to me, the younger the girl is,

1686
01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.359
<v Speaker 1>the more she treats the barbie doll like a baby doll.

1687
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.079
<v Speaker 1>And then when she gets older, the barbie doll takes

1688
01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>on a whole different personality and it starts to reflect

1689
01:40:58.960 --> 01:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>what the barbiedell is meant to be reflecting. But you've

1690
01:41:02.640 --> 01:41:05.800
<v Speaker 1>got that sort of stage of development in between where

1691
01:41:05.800 --> 01:41:09.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like, well, these little, tiny girls want to treat

1692
01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:12.359
<v Speaker 1>this doll like it's a baby. But then once they

1693
01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:16.199
<v Speaker 1>get older, it's like, well, I've already established this relationship,

1694
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:18.840
<v Speaker 1>but now it has to change because you know, little

1695
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.479
<v Speaker 1>girls are changing too, and it's like skipping all the

1696
01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.000
<v Speaker 1>steps that you know young people should be going through

1697
01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:28.399
<v Speaker 1>and just right here, here's your prostitute. You're a prostitute now,

1698
01:41:28.439 --> 01:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1699
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I said that too. I was like, it's just as

1700
01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:35.279
<v Speaker 3>weird to me how it went from from babies to Barbie's.

1701
01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:40.279
<v Speaker 3>And I think Marylyn definitely put she was. They always

1702
01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:44.000
<v Speaker 3>said how Marilyn was curvy. I know a lot of

1703
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:46.960
<v Speaker 3>people talk about how Marylyn was curvy. The woman was

1704
01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:52.199
<v Speaker 3>a size six. And on my best day, I have

1705
01:41:52.359 --> 01:41:55.479
<v Speaker 3>not worn a size six. Maybe in high school. Maybe

1706
01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>if we go back to fucking junior year, I could

1707
01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:01.199
<v Speaker 3>wear a size six. But tell me and what universe

1708
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:04.840
<v Speaker 3>a size six is considered to be curvy because they

1709
01:42:04.920 --> 01:42:08.079
<v Speaker 3>use it now. It's like the fat movement thing, fat

1710
01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:11.720
<v Speaker 3>positive thing like. And don't get me wrong, I'm not

1711
01:42:11.760 --> 01:42:14.359
<v Speaker 3>a fat shamer. I don't fucking care what size you are,

1712
01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:18.000
<v Speaker 3>but I'm not on board with pushing the fat narrative

1713
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:20.800
<v Speaker 3>onto people. I think, and the ozimpic thing is just

1714
01:42:20.840 --> 01:42:25.920
<v Speaker 3>as bad. But Maryland and curvy, she just wasn't anarexic

1715
01:42:26.079 --> 01:42:28.560
<v Speaker 3>like the rest of the women that were famous back then.

1716
01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.399
<v Speaker 3>They were zeros and she was a six. Does it

1717
01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:33.359
<v Speaker 3>make her curvy though she was still healthy?

1718
01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1719
01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Well?

1720
01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean even that's it seems like they use that

1721
01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:40.439
<v Speaker 1>as like a foot in the door, you know, because

1722
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>even the rest of the girls back then that were,

1723
01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, on par or maybe a little bit below Maryland,

1724
01:42:46.079 --> 01:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>they weren't necessarily anorexic, that whole anorexic Sheit came in

1725
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>like in the late seventies, early eighties, and it just

1726
01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuck around as sort of like this. But

1727
01:42:56.119 --> 01:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>we're the vision we're given of ourselves is always this

1728
01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:03.439
<v Speaker 1>fun house mirror that doesn't reflect anything about where we

1729
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:06.039
<v Speaker 1>should be going, or what we should be doing, or

1730
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>what we'd like to be in our own lives. It

1731
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:11.159
<v Speaker 1>always has to do with these sort of bizarre visions

1732
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:13.399
<v Speaker 1>of ourselves given to us by these people who live

1733
01:43:13.479 --> 01:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>on either side of the coasts, that have no relationship

1734
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to the lives that we really want to be living,

1735
01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, let's get away from that and

1736
01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:24.359
<v Speaker 1>find our own values. One of the problems is all

1737
01:43:24.399 --> 01:43:28.199
<v Speaker 1>of these images we get, our mirror neurons in our

1738
01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:32.159
<v Speaker 1>brain start to identify that with ourselves, and instead of

1739
01:43:32.199 --> 01:43:34.720
<v Speaker 1>having a really good picture of what we want to

1740
01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:36.319
<v Speaker 1>do with our lives and where we want to go,

1741
01:43:36.680 --> 01:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>we end up mirroring the outside forces that shape culture

1742
01:43:41.560 --> 01:43:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and they really are outside forces. I don't think anybody

1743
01:43:44.159 --> 01:43:47.479
<v Speaker 1>really identifies with the CIA except for a very very

1744
01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>small group of people in Langley. You know, their entire

1745
01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:53.279
<v Speaker 1>lives is the CIA, and they're the ones who are

1746
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>shaping culture. That's ridiculous.

1747
01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's why they use Marylyn as an

1748
01:43:57.920 --> 01:44:00.520
<v Speaker 3>archetype to push like you should look like this, you

1749
01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:03.199
<v Speaker 3>should be like this. You should. But I mean, if

1750
01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:05.880
<v Speaker 3>if it were up to me, I would wear soft

1751
01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:09.079
<v Speaker 3>pants every fucking day. Actually I got soft pants on

1752
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:12.439
<v Speaker 3>right now. I live in soft pants. I don't want

1753
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:14.880
<v Speaker 3>to wear this ship. I don't want to look like Maryland.

1754
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to end up like Maryland. So fuck that.

1755
01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:21.159
<v Speaker 3>But thank you guys for having me though. I think,

1756
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:25.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is a cool episode to kind of

1757
01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:29.880
<v Speaker 3>break into some people's reality chamber on you know, maybe

1758
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:33.720
<v Speaker 3>stuff isn't always exactly as it seems, even though you've

1759
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.880
<v Speaker 3>watched a Netflix documentary and you think you fuckuld know everything,

1760
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Maybe just maybe you don't. But thanks again for for

1761
01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:43.079
<v Speaker 3>having me on, guys.

1762
01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Of course, no, thank you, thank you. Yeah that was

1763
01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:48.319
<v Speaker 2>really interesting.

1764
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:50.640
<v Speaker 5>That was so pott.

1765
01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>It was anything you wanted.

1766
01:44:54.119 --> 01:44:54.479
<v Speaker 3>Who me?

1767
01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:00.680
<v Speaker 4>No, just I mean I'm glad that you brought up

1768
01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:04.079
<v Speaker 4>all of these points to ponder these points of contention.

1769
01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:05.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean, because they.

1770
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:10.920
<v Speaker 4>Are big gaping holes into the official narrative that has

1771
01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:14.720
<v Speaker 4>existed for so long. And again, so many things about

1772
01:45:14.760 --> 01:45:22.159
<v Speaker 4>Marilyn is completely opposite of what the narrative has been pushed.

1773
01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:24.439
<v Speaker 5>And if, like you said, if you just took the

1774
01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:26.520
<v Speaker 5>time to look up stuff, it's there.

1775
01:45:26.600 --> 01:45:30.039
<v Speaker 4>It's all there, and yet no one has, I guess,

1776
01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:32.960
<v Speaker 4>been bothered to question it or to even be bothered

1777
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:37.079
<v Speaker 4>to look for it. I'm very grateful that you are,

1778
01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:39.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, bringing these these topics to light.

1779
01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:41.399
<v Speaker 5>So thank you.

1780
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:45.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I appreciate, and I would say if anyone is interested,

1781
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:47.199
<v Speaker 3>I know that we live in a generation that doesn't

1782
01:45:47.239 --> 01:45:49.920
<v Speaker 3>read books, but if you're interested, the book that I

1783
01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:52.000
<v Speaker 3>read where I got a lot of this information from,

1784
01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:55.199
<v Speaker 3>is called Dead Wrong. It's actually written by a comedian,

1785
01:45:55.880 --> 01:46:00.600
<v Speaker 3>and like most comedians like Sam Tripley, even there conspiracy

1786
01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:04.439
<v Speaker 3>theorists at heart, even Tom Segura I think is secretly

1787
01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:08.319
<v Speaker 3>a conspiracy theorist. But the book, again is called Dead Wrong.

1788
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:14.039
<v Speaker 3>The author is Richard Pelzer, and he talks about Marilyn

1789
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:18.279
<v Speaker 3>Linda B. Johnson JFK Martin Luther King Junior. I mean,

1790
01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:21.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just a plethora of awesome conspiracy stuff and he

1791
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:24.960
<v Speaker 3>goes based on forensics only. So if you're interested in that,

1792
01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:27.439
<v Speaker 3>you can check out that book. But again, thanks so

1793
01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:28.640
<v Speaker 3>much for having me, guys.

1794
01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And I was just thinking as you were saying

1795
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:35.359
<v Speaker 1>that maybe you could have a merch line where you

1796
01:46:35.399 --> 01:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>take all the inconvenient facts about Marilyn Manson or Marilyn

1797
01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Monroe's death and you list them, like on the sides

1798
01:46:42.520 --> 01:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>of her portrait. You know, no pills were found in

1799
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:47.279
<v Speaker 1>her stomach, all the rest of these things. You know,

1800
01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the window was broken from the outside or from the

1801
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:53.479
<v Speaker 1>inside out, all of these things, and you put that

1802
01:46:53.600 --> 01:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>on the shirt with Marilyn Monroe's face on it. So

1803
01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you're taking advantage of the fact that she is a

1804
01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, archetype and show and all the people, Hey, look,

1805
01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:04.399
<v Speaker 1>these are inconvenient facts. You need to take that alongside

1806
01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:05.960
<v Speaker 1>of this image that you get from the rest of

1807
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:06.399
<v Speaker 1>the media.

1808
01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:09.199
<v Speaker 3>That would actually be a good idea. I did in

1809
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:12.000
<v Speaker 3>my merch store, which I never plug, but I made

1810
01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.880
<v Speaker 3>a Marilyn hoodie and it had Marilyn with a magnifying

1811
01:47:15.920 --> 01:47:19.319
<v Speaker 3>glass and a monarch butterfly over her head, and I

1812
01:47:19.399 --> 01:47:21.279
<v Speaker 3>try to come up with shit that's like. If you

1813
01:47:21.319 --> 01:47:22.960
<v Speaker 3>saw it, you'd be like, what's that about? And I'd

1814
01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:26.479
<v Speaker 3>be like, Wow, let me fucking tell you what that's about.

1815
01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:29.600
<v Speaker 3>But no, Yeah, that's a good idea. I like that.

1816
01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:31.359
<v Speaker 3>I'll put it on the back of the hoodie no

1817
01:47:31.600 --> 01:47:35.880
<v Speaker 3>pills cyanosis.

1818
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's good.

1819
01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:37.520
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

1820
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:39.560
<v Speaker 3>So full an asshole.

1821
01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I just want to plug one more time. If you

1822
01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:47.199
<v Speaker 1>guys have any esoteric stories, or you have anything that

1823
01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.960
<v Speaker 1>has happened to you weird or bizarre magical experiences too,

1824
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:55.359
<v Speaker 1>you can email me at the Headless Giant Podcast at

1825
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:58.119
<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com and we'll read those stories on the air.

1826
01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:01.960
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for having me. Thank you for coming Julia.

1827
01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you for coming on. And Juliet, thank you

1828
01:48:05.319 --> 01:48:07.520
<v Speaker 2>again very much for coming on. Can you please plug

1829
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:09.359
<v Speaker 2>all your stuff so everybody can find me you have

1830
01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>your amazing work.

1831
01:48:11.439 --> 01:48:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. Patreon

1832
01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:21.159
<v Speaker 3>for bonus episodes and early access to all the shows

1833
01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.439
<v Speaker 3>that I put out, and you can just look for

1834
01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:27.840
<v Speaker 3>Cosmic Peach and you'll you'll find me somewhere awesome.

1835
01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the

1836
01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>chat for showing up and adding to the comments. That

1837
01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:35.199
<v Speaker 2>was awesome. It was fun, some good stuff in there.

1838
01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:38.159
<v Speaker 2>That's why I go live. And that is the end

1839
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:41.119
<v Speaker 2>of another Recult Rejects and until the next one, everybody

1840
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:42.399
<v Speaker 2>be well later