Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen? I think what help? Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, I got Julia
Speaker 2: Cosmic Peach back with us again. The last few times
Speaker 2: that we've had her on it's been a blest. We
Speaker 2: went live, it was very interactive chat. The fans loved us.
Speaker 2: So how to bring it back again? And we all live?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: And I got joining Me, I got the cult reject
Speaker 2: man scientist Lisa, and I got my man Headless Giant. Hello,
Speaker 2: how do you say that? What's that label you got.
Speaker 1: Over there, helonic schizo poster?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's very very very fitting, very fitting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: head Headless, yeah yeah yeah. You al he's been on
Speaker 2: a roll lately. You gotta go check us.
Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of good emails coming up for
Speaker 1: the for the next reading of your occult slash paranormal stories.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about that. Yeah and again again please,
Speaker 2: I'm glad Headless is here to plug it again before
Speaker 2: we get into the show. Please, if you have any
Speaker 2: of these stories, any like weird dreams, a cult whatever,
Speaker 2: listen off again, Headless, please email my main.
Speaker 1: Headless esoteric stories, occult stories, paranormal stories, dreams that you
Speaker 1: have recurring or strange occurrences in your family. You can
Speaker 1: email me at Headless Giant podcast at gmail dot com
Speaker 1: and I will get those read up on the air.
Speaker 1: So check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be fun. We've actually been getting email,
Speaker 2: well he's been getting the emails in and I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be some fun stuff. So definitely looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. And yeah you want to let it?
Speaker 2: Did you already plug your show.
Speaker 1: Podcast?
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, not you yet, Julia, We're gonna do
Speaker 2: hell listen and I'll give you did you play your
Speaker 2: podcast already?
Speaker 1: Check me out on YouTube Headless Giant Podcasts. You'll find
Speaker 1: me there.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you now true the main guest, Julia.
Speaker 3: I am wherever you listen to podcasts, just uh, you know,
Speaker 3: not YouTube of course, because fuck them. And I'm on
Speaker 3: Cult of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday. I do a show
Speaker 3: for them once a week. I did not know that,
Speaker 3: and yes, and so if you want to check that out,
Speaker 3: it's called Cult ex Cosmic every Saturday, and then I
Speaker 3: of course have my own show, Cosmic Peach and then
Speaker 3: coming up around the corner, I'm not. I don't have
Speaker 3: like a release date yet, but Colby and I are
Speaker 3: starting a new show. It's called The Killer Room, and
Speaker 3: it's going to be featured on my show as well,
Speaker 3: and I'm really excited about that actually, because he has
Speaker 3: such a different take on things than I do and
Speaker 3: it makes for interesting conversation. So I'm really looking forward
Speaker 3: to that as well.
Speaker 2: That is awesome, nice, nice thing. That's really cool with
Speaker 2: the culture Conspiracy. I've been dealing with those guys for
Speaker 2: a few years now, and like every few months we'll
Speaker 2: get together and do something. I really do like those guys.
Speaker 2: I highly suggested to go check them out, and I will.
Speaker 2: Me and Teresa are actually going to be covering a
Speaker 2: topic on their show Tuesday, so that should be really yes, yes,
Speaker 2: covering the Saint Klamafia.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea. Those guys are fun. They're they're
Speaker 2: fun to like just talk shit with.
Speaker 3: But crazy cult leaders.
Speaker 2: No, but you know what, like I just even like
Speaker 2: sometimes they don't agree, but the show still goes great.
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain, Like, yeah, really, I really do
Speaker 2: like having those guys on because you can.
Speaker 3: Have different people prefer that though, Yeah, m hm, very
Speaker 3: interesting because nobody likes an echo chamber, and I think
Speaker 3: that's why people enjoy when Colby and I get together. Actually,
Speaker 3: I went on we went on the White Rabbit podcast
Speaker 3: the other night, and he was saying how he listened
Speaker 3: to our series called blood Ties, and he said, you
Speaker 3: guys don't really agree on stuff, and you'll just hash
Speaker 3: it out right there on the spot. And I think
Speaker 3: that's refreshing. That people don't always agree on certain things.
Speaker 3: Makes you think harder about whether or not you have
Speaker 3: all the information you know.
Speaker 1: Right, and different opinions actually don't hurt everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean even with the topic tonight, we're
Speaker 3: all probably gonna have different opinions at the end, and
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to ask you guys what you think
Speaker 3: at the end. But there are certain things that cannot
Speaker 3: be disputed, and then there are certain things that are
Speaker 3: up for debates. So we'll see at the end where
Speaker 3: you guys stand on everything. But I'm actually really excited
Speaker 3: to get into the topic today as well, because it's
Speaker 3: something that I really passionate about.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember a long time ago when you told
Speaker 2: me you were even working on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been working on it for a couple of
Speaker 3: years now and just keep adding stuff to it.
Speaker 2: That's why I like when I saw that you were
Speaker 2: even doing it again, it reminded me of you telling
Speaker 2: me that you were getting into that. I mean, this
Speaker 2: is probably going years ago, so I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: I gotta get off of that. I never actually spooked
Speaker 2: to her about that topic. That was one of the
Speaker 2: topics we never spoke about actually from the past.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it's it's a big one, that's for sure. So
Speaker 3: I mean kind of like the last couple of times
Speaker 3: I've been on the Occult Rejects. If this spills over
Speaker 3: into two parts, you know, so be it. But I
Speaker 3: feel like it's you know, it's early enough in the afternoon,
Speaker 3: we might be able to squeeze it all into one,
Speaker 3: but we've been meeting so late at night the last
Speaker 3: couple of times. I feel bad for you guys because
Speaker 3: I just keep going on and on and you guys
Speaker 3: it's like two in the morning, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: No, I've been loving it. Thank you. All right, So
Speaker 2: to get I mean, just dive in sure, have about it,
Speaker 2: have it?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all right. Well, so we're gonna be talking
Speaker 3: about Marilyn Monroe on today's episode. And of course, you know,
Speaker 3: as I always say, I think all you need to
Speaker 3: do to sell a mainstream narrative to people is have
Speaker 3: a documentary on either HBO or Netflix with some great
Speaker 3: visuals and some catchy background music, and you will one
Speaker 3: hundred percent fucking brainwash everyone into thinking that's the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 3: And there is no shortage of Maryland documentaries on either
Speaker 3: Netflix or HBO, and they all sell you the same thing.
Speaker 3: Marilyn was a severely depressed woman. She was promiscuous, she
Speaker 3: had a bunch of weird sexual affairs, and she got
Speaker 3: really depressed. She committed suicide. She overdosed on sedative drugs
Speaker 3: and she was found nude in her home in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: I believe, or some part of California, and she, you know,
Speaker 3: she did it to herself. And that's all that we
Speaker 3: need to know is she was fucked up, depressed, took
Speaker 3: a bunch of pills, killed herself. And they do a
Speaker 3: great job selling you that story. And they even have
Speaker 3: in one of the Netflix documentaries they interview a guy
Speaker 3: that was her psychiatrist. They interview his family. His name
Speaker 3: was doctor Green or something. Like that. It's in my
Speaker 3: notes and we'll get to it. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't know where you guys stand on it, but I've
Speaker 3: always thought, even as great of a sales job as
Speaker 3: they do, like, there had to be more to this story,
Speaker 3: especially because of who she was. I mean, you guys
Speaker 3: can jump in. What did you did you always think like, okay,
Speaker 3: for sure she killed herself? Or did you always have questions?
Speaker 2: No? I always saw it as a kid, always saw
Speaker 2: like even Elvis Presley and her stories were always.
Speaker 3: Like, so, Lisa, what do you think?
Speaker 4: I always thought someone else killed her, always thought that, like.
Speaker 3: You, did you have any suspects.
Speaker 4: The Kennedys was one, for sure, or the CIA her
Speaker 4: handlers that maybe? I think when I I didn't know initially,
Speaker 4: when I first heard the story, I was like, no,
Speaker 4: she seemed too vain to have killed herself that way
Speaker 4: or just killed herself period. Plus I think that she
Speaker 4: probably initially is she probably was told some secrets that
Speaker 4: they didn't want people to know, that maybe she was
Speaker 4: privy to something. And then as time went on and
Speaker 4: I heard more, I thought, you know what, I think
Speaker 4: they killed her because she was going off script act
Speaker 4: in a way that you know, was threatening to her
Speaker 4: what her job originally was, or that they were. She
Speaker 4: had become some kind of like, I don't know, volatile.
Speaker 4: You know, they couldn't handle her anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean headless. What did you think.
Speaker 1: I grew up at a Christian home, so she was
Speaker 1: always the example of, you know, this is what a
Speaker 1: decadent lifestyle will lead to. So it wasn't until much
Speaker 1: later that I was like, this doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. She was connected to a lot of very
Speaker 1: powerful people and all of a sudden, you know, having
Speaker 1: this great life and everything else, she decides to kill herself.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make a.
Speaker 2: Lot of sense.
Speaker 3: So she was kind of a cautionary tale in your household.
Speaker 3: That's kind of funny to me. But I mean, so
Speaker 3: there are a few things I want to get out
Speaker 3: right away, because I do believe that Marilyn Monroe, even
Speaker 3: the name the double m Marilyn Monroe, Monarch, mind control,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, to me stands out. It does appear
Speaker 3: that she probably had multiple personalities. She was probably in
Speaker 3: some type of sex kit, and you know how they
Speaker 3: like to use beautiful, famous women in those type of roles,
Speaker 3: and she grew up in orphanages, so it wasn't like
Speaker 3: anybody gave a fuck what happened to her. They essentially
Speaker 3: created a cartoon character out of a real person. Her
Speaker 3: name was Norma Jane, and they turned her into Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 3: They literally bleached her hair. She got a nose job,
Speaker 3: they And so it was to me, I always look
Speaker 3: at if someone has multiple personality disorder or did whatever.
Speaker 3: They are usually the ones that start off as normal
Speaker 3: people and then abruptly have like a bleached hair moment.
Speaker 3: And if you look at it, Eminem bleached hair, Kanye
Speaker 3: went crazy, bleached his hair. Lady Gaga started off normal
Speaker 3: but then bleached her hair, and now I think she's
Speaker 3: a trans weirdo witch. And so I mean, you just
Speaker 3: look at it, and it's like the bleaching of the
Speaker 3: hair is almost like the signal of all right, this
Speaker 3: person's undergone some fucking programming, and now you know they
Speaker 3: have an.
Speaker 2: Alter identity and order.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, because they bleach their hair and they literally
Speaker 3: go fucking nuts. And if you look at any celebrity,
Speaker 3: even like Lindsey Lohan, she was a ginger and she
Speaker 3: was so cute. She was on the Disney Channel, bleached
Speaker 3: her hair, started faking a British accent, and nobody fucking
Speaker 3: knows what's wrong with her now. And so I just
Speaker 3: think that that's something that you can look at as
Speaker 3: being odd, you know, like why did they suddenly bleach
Speaker 3: their hair? And they can become a completely different person overnight.
Speaker 3: And I don't think Marilyn is, you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think she is immune to that. I think she's like example,
Speaker 3: exhibit A of multiple personality disorder. And I think that.
Speaker 1: Can I give a great exit for that?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, go ahead, sure.
Speaker 1: So the movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena
Speaker 1: Davis is where you've got this mk ultra assassin played
Speaker 1: by Geena Davis who gets kicked in the head by
Speaker 1: a deer that she hits on the road, loses her memory,
Speaker 1: and then she comes back. The memory comes back and
Speaker 1: she starts to remember that she's an assassin. And what's
Speaker 1: the very first thing she does. She bleaches their hair.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, See, I'm telling you, it's crazy. And it's
Speaker 3: not to say, like, if somebody's got a bad breakup
Speaker 3: and they want to stick it to their fucking ex
Speaker 3: boyfriend and they don't bleach their hair, like you have
Speaker 3: multiple personality. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: celebrities who you see go through a huge transformation almost
Speaker 3: overnight with the bleaching of the hair and like the
Speaker 3: complete identity switch. And she really pushed the blood diamonds.
Speaker 3: She was like the spokesperson for that. You know, diamonds
Speaker 3: are a girl's best friend. We got a comment, Hey,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: And so, I mean, I think and Nick is probably
Speaker 3: gonna give you more information than I can about this,
Speaker 3: And I'm actually kind of glad we're covering this with
Speaker 3: him because I found weird numbers surrounding her and I've
Speaker 3: always had an idea of what I think they mean,
Speaker 3: but Nick might be able to elaborate on this. But
Speaker 3: there's a lot of eights around Maryland. So I mean,
Speaker 3: I've always thought of the eight as like the snake
Speaker 3: eating its tail, the infinity symbol. And she did die
Speaker 3: on August fourth, sixty two and six and two is eight,
Speaker 3: so and then like I believe her address had some
Speaker 3: aids in it, And I mean, what do you think
Speaker 3: about that, Nick, because you probably know more about that
Speaker 3: shit than I do.
Speaker 2: The eight. I mean, it's numerical I mean I like
Speaker 2: it because of the magician. I think it does show
Speaker 2: like the continuation of the cycles of like life and
Speaker 2: death shows a unyoke eyes sense for me. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's a pretty deeply occulted uh in my opinion, shape
Speaker 2: or number or sigil, you know, the hell does you
Speaker 2: want to add anything on that yourself? Yeah, it's sort
Speaker 2: of like there's so much the safety.
Speaker 1: Right, Fives, eights, and thirteen seems to be like the
Speaker 1: pattern breakers. Right, So for five, you know, you've got
Speaker 1: the perfection of the four being the four side stability,
Speaker 1: and then the fifth is like the pattern breaker, and
Speaker 1: then you've got the seven like the seven planets and
Speaker 1: all the rest of these whole and then the pattern
Speaker 1: breaker would be the eight, twelve, you know, twelve signs
Speaker 1: of the zodiac, all the rest of that stuff. In
Speaker 1: theteen you know, these are the ones that sort of
Speaker 1: stand out in numerology is being the pattern breaker. If
Speaker 1: you look at her role as being the you know,
Speaker 1: putting to bed all the nineteen fifties sort of value
Speaker 1: based systems, you know, kind of that cautionary tale. Again,
Speaker 1: she was the kind of pattern breaker on that whole
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties moral aesthetic.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I've talked to Sean McCann
Speaker 3: about this a little bit too, and he has this
Speaker 3: whole octagon theory and the gosh, what is that thing
Speaker 3: that he's always talking about in Satanism? It's like a
Speaker 3: cube that keeps extruding from itself. What is that thing called?
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: It's like a cube.
Speaker 3: Within a cube within a cube, and it just yeah,
Speaker 3: and it just keeps going out, and it's like an
Speaker 3: eight sided and it just keeps expanding. And that's also
Speaker 3: why they use the octagon in like sporting stuff and
Speaker 3: the eight sided just the tesser act. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, So,
Speaker 3: I mean, I do believe that the eight is significant.
Speaker 3: I went on a Google search one day and I
Speaker 3: just googled, like major tragedies that happened in August and
Speaker 3: like a lot of fucking shit. It's like they specifically
Speaker 3: used August to conduct a lot of these fucking rituals
Speaker 3: and shit. And I don't find it at all a coincidence.
Speaker 3: She died August fourth in a eight year sixty two.
Speaker 3: But so it's just that stuck out to me. And
Speaker 3: without even getting into too much conspiracy theory stuff right
Speaker 3: off the bat. There is one more thing I want
Speaker 3: to mention though, before I get into like the like
Speaker 3: the autopsy findings. But you guys are familiar with Eyes
Speaker 3: White Shut, right, Yes, Okay? The little girl in Eyes
Speaker 3: White Shut, her name is Helena, and she's supposed to
Speaker 3: be getting inducted, in my opinion, to this monarch mind control,
Speaker 3: sex kit and fucking occult ring of women. And it
Speaker 3: pretty much shows you that at the end because when
Speaker 3: they're in the toy store, she gets led off by
Speaker 3: two weird guys at the end of the movie and yeah, Teresa,
Speaker 3: I fucking yeah exactly. I did a show with Teresa
Speaker 3: about the eights. What Teresa, why isn't your ass on here? Anyways,
Speaker 3: at the end of Ours White Shut, Helena gets led
Speaker 3: off by two guys, and it's almost as if Alice
Speaker 3: the mom knows about this. Maybe Alice is a part
Speaker 3: of the program as well, and she's almost letting them
Speaker 3: take her daughter away. And in the toy store there's
Speaker 3: a weird scene where in the background there's a bunch
Speaker 3: of barbies and the main focus on the barbie is
Speaker 3: this Marilyn Monroe Barbie and it's headless. Do you know
Speaker 3: which Barbie it is? I can't remember. It's like.
Speaker 2: I remember the setup and everything. I know. I know
Speaker 2: the scene you're talking about. I just can't remember what
Speaker 2: Barbie that is. But I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's what it's a Marilynd Barbie. I can't remember what
Speaker 3: movie it is, but it's it's a weird scene for
Speaker 3: showing Helena walking down the toys Toy store and there's
Speaker 3: two guys that are following her and they're obviously going
Speaker 3: to lead her off and they it's almost like Stanley
Speaker 3: Kuber put the shot of this Maryland Barbie like right there,
Speaker 3: so it's in your focal point. You do notice that
Speaker 3: you do see it.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to see it, Yeah, you're.
Speaker 3: Supposed to see it. And you know, the the street
Speaker 3: that Marilyn lived on was Helena Drive. So I think
Speaker 3: it's significant that they put these things in there to
Speaker 3: kind of link everything together.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's very important the name Helena too, because
Speaker 1: even back to the one of the most widely you know,
Speaker 1: read and understood mythologies goes back to the Iliad, and
Speaker 1: that was all sparked off by Helen of Troy, and
Speaker 1: they even called everything having to do with the Greek
Speaker 1: religion is Hellenism, right, so this is like the ultimate
Speaker 1: prize will be also being like the ultimate you know,
Speaker 1: sort of downfall of man, right that concept there.
Speaker 3: It's like the Greek goddess kind of weirdness to around Maryland,
Speaker 3: around the eyes wide shut thing. It's all kind of
Speaker 3: ritualistic and it almost reeks of like ancient religion almost
Speaker 3: So without going too far into conspiracy, because I did
Speaker 3: say this, I think to Lisa, but without even going
Speaker 3: down the conspiracy theory road, I can prove that Marylyn
Speaker 3: didn't kill herself just with scientific evidence. And so I mean,
Speaker 3: if anybody walks away from this episode with a doubt
Speaker 3: in their mind, I'd be fucking surprised, because I was
Speaker 3: just absolutely appalled when I came across this shit in
Speaker 3: a book and I was like, why don't more people
Speaker 3: know about this? And I was like, oh, yeah, I know,
Speaker 3: because I don't want you to know about this stuff.
Speaker 3: But so, her official cause of death was a keepe
Speaker 3: barbituit poisoning, and they said it was a suicide, but
Speaker 3: the medical examiner penciled in a word next to suicide,
Speaker 3: and he put probable, like he wrote that in himself.
Speaker 3: He took a pencil and literally wrote probable suicide. So
Speaker 3: he wasn't even convinced that that's what really happened. But
Speaker 3: they did say it was a self administered overdose of
Speaker 3: sedative drugs. That's what they say. But what's weird is
Speaker 3: there were absolutely no trace of tablets found in her
Speaker 3: stomach at all period. No trace of tablets were found
Speaker 3: in her stomach or her intestines. So she had enough
Speaker 3: chloral hydrate and nimbutah in her system to legitimately kill
Speaker 3: an elephant. They said she had sixty to seventy nimbutah
Speaker 3: and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tablets the equivalent of
Speaker 3: that in her system, But somehow when they crack her open,
Speaker 3: there is absolutely no trace of tablets found in the
Speaker 3: stomach or the intestine. So, if that's true, and she
Speaker 3: had taken sixty to seventy nimbutall pills and nineteen to
Speaker 3: twenty chloral hydrate tablets, digestion stops at death, so when
Speaker 3: they cracked her open, there should have been significant evidence
Speaker 3: of undigestied tablets in her stomach, because you die before
Speaker 3: that shit actually has a chance to dissolve. You die
Speaker 3: of an overdose. Fucking five pills in before. We're talking
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy nimb you tall tablets and nineteen to
Speaker 3: twenty chloral hydrate tablets. But there was not a fucking
Speaker 3: trace in her stomach or her intestines.
Speaker 4: I have problem following, like she didn't really like to
Speaker 4: take pills or something like that that I remember, dude.
Speaker 3: She was a known gagger, and that's right, gentlemen, there
Speaker 3: is no perfect woman out there. Marilyn was a gagger.
Speaker 3: She fucking gagged. She's and you know what, we'll get
Speaker 3: into it later, but she was a fucking dagging ass bitch.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I am not a gagger. And
Speaker 3: I don't even see myself being able to swallow sixty
Speaker 3: to seventy pills. Actually, it would have been more than that,
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy of one type of pill and then
Speaker 3: twenty of another, So hello, who the fuck is doing
Speaker 3: You'd have to eat it like cereal. You'd have to
Speaker 3: pour him in a bowl and fucking put milk in.
Speaker 3: I'm like, fucking cheerios and eat them like.
Speaker 2: That liquid of just trying to swallow all those pills
Speaker 2: back to back.
Speaker 3: But they said that it was tablets. You remember, because
Speaker 3: the iconic picture of Marylyn with the pill bottle knocked
Speaker 3: over on the night stand.
Speaker 5: Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they literally say that, uh, Marylyn had to have
Speaker 3: swallowed pills because look, there's a tipped over pill bottle
Speaker 3: on the night stand. There was something else that was
Speaker 3: missing in her autopsy though, So if digestion stops at
Speaker 3: death and there was no sign of tablets in the
Speaker 3: stomach or the intestines, there's also another problem is that
Speaker 3: she didn't have any refractive crystals in her stomach or
Speaker 3: small intestine. And basically what refractive crystals are is the
Speaker 3: active ingredient in any drugs. So once the medication starts
Speaker 3: to dissolve, it produces refractive crystals and they're very easily
Speaker 3: spotted in the stomach or the intestine, so you can
Speaker 3: tell if somebody has taken pills. So taking sixty to
Speaker 3: seventy of one type of medication in twenty of another,
Speaker 3: you would have thought there would be substantial residue in
Speaker 3: the stomach or the small intestine. And actually nimbutol is
Speaker 3: coated with a super thick yellow dye, and that was
Speaker 3: also not present anywhere in her body. So if she
Speaker 3: was to have taken seventy of those bitches, her entire
Speaker 3: stomach and intestine would have been coated in this yellow
Speaker 3: dye and that wasn't present as well. So somebody come
Speaker 3: at me if they want to go ahead and say
Speaker 3: Marilyn took some fucking pills, because where are they? Is
Speaker 3: what I'd say.
Speaker 2: Somebody even mentioned, I mean, there was a good chance
Speaker 2: that we think you'd like getting. Did they mention if
Speaker 2: there's she puked, vomited or anything like that.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually going to get into that, but I'll
Speaker 3: tell you right now. The first officer on the scene,
Speaker 3: his name was Sergeant Jack Clemens, and he noted when
Speaker 3: he walked into Maryland's bedroom that there was no regurgitated
Speaker 3: material anywhere in the bedroom, bathroom, or near Maryland at all.
Speaker 3: So he had actually reported to many suicides, and he
Speaker 3: knew because he had seen them several times, that when
Speaker 3: a person takes that many pills, before they can even
Speaker 3: all start to digest and kill the person, their body
Speaker 3: goes in evacuation. Bode and literally starts fucking spewing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes showing up as a way of your body even
Speaker 2: saying like you're doing too much drugs, right.
Speaker 3: Right, So imagine taking sixty to seventy nimbutohl in twenty which,
Speaker 3: by the way, chloral hydrate is date rape drug, or
Speaker 3: use to be a form of it. So I don't
Speaker 3: know why you'd want to kill yourself in that way,
Speaker 3: but fock that, you know what I'm saying. She took
Speaker 3: twenty of those and there was no.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Wasn't it also at one point considered a hypnotic chlorohydrate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So imagine wanting to kill yourself in that way,
Speaker 3: because then you toll the sleeping pill that wouldn't do
Speaker 3: it for you. You had it on top of that
Speaker 3: roofie yourself. I'll look at this chlorohydrate is a mood
Speaker 3: stabilizer for sleep disorders. Well, I don't think she actually
Speaker 3: this is a good point to bring up. She did
Speaker 3: not have access to the drugs in the amount that
Speaker 3: killed her because she was seeing a psychiatrist. They were
Speaker 3: trying to wean her off. They said she had a
Speaker 3: serious problem, and the prescription that she had wasn't even
Speaker 3: in the amount of the the the levels that she
Speaker 3: had her system. So she maybe had a prescription for
Speaker 3: let's say, like twenty sleeping pills and they find sixty
Speaker 3: to seventy in her bloodstream, and then another twenty of
Speaker 3: chloral hydrate, which she didn't even have a prescription for.
Speaker 3: She had a prescription for Nimbutohl maybe twenty tablets, but
Speaker 3: not for chloral hydrate, and not in the amounts that
Speaker 3: were found in her bloodstream. And they were like, well,
Speaker 3: she's Marilyn Monroe. She could have bought them from someone.
Speaker 3: She didn't have pills in her stomach, So how the
Speaker 3: fuck did that level of drugs get into her bloodstream?
Speaker 3: That's the main question. And if she didn't take pills,
Speaker 3: because there's absolutely no evidence in her stomach or digestive
Speaker 3: tract that she did, how did they get in there?
Speaker 3: And did Marilyn do it to herself? I fucking think
Speaker 3: not because think of the entry points, right, did she
Speaker 3: inject it? Well, they searched her whole body and there
Speaker 3: was no injection site wound anywhere. They checked in between
Speaker 3: her toes and between her fingers, nothing there. So what
Speaker 3: is the only other way you could get that amount
Speaker 3: of drugs introduced that quickly into the body to basically
Speaker 3: have that big of a payload. And that's where the
Speaker 3: rest of the fucking autopsy report comes in. Because she
Speaker 3: had bruises on the backs of her legs and the
Speaker 3: backs of arms, and a big ass bruise on one
Speaker 3: of her butt cheeks, and it looked like she had
Speaker 3: been held down, like somebody had literally held her arms
Speaker 3: and legs down. And her colon was purple and swollen
Speaker 3: and literally looked like it was turned inside out. And
Speaker 3: so yes to the comment earlier, they fucking boofed it.
Speaker 2: I didn't think you're actually going to go there.
Speaker 3: Yes, her colon was so purple and swollen that they
Speaker 3: made several notes about it.
Speaker 2: For the gag.
Speaker 3: The gagging.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If they did so here's.
Speaker 5: But that would make sense though.
Speaker 4: That would make sense because, like you said, I think,
Speaker 4: and I looked it up really quickly, the nemeutal within
Speaker 4: fifteen to thirty minutes taking an OD amount, you you
Speaker 4: start to OD within fifteen to thirty minutes. That is
Speaker 4: not enough time to even digest any of the amount
Speaker 4: of pills that they would give you. And again, she
Speaker 4: didn't have pills, say that they were pilled, you would
Speaker 4: still see leftover pills. But to get that amount of
Speaker 4: dosage in that much of your bloodstream and quickly, there
Speaker 4: would have to be a direct route to the bloodstream,
Speaker 4: without a doubt.
Speaker 3: And you would die before the levels reached that far
Speaker 3: into your bloodstream with an oral overdose.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 3: So we have to think if is that hurt? If what?
Speaker 2: I didn't know how this could put up the thing
Speaker 2: just I was like, why comments popping up?
Speaker 3: Did you want to add something to that?
Speaker 1: Oh no, he was just ripping off of that. He said,
Speaker 1: no boof reflex. But yeah, I mean, obviously, if things
Speaker 1: aren't adding up, and they're and they're noting all these peculiarities,
Speaker 1: where's the investigation. You know, you've got millions of fans
Speaker 1: out there and they can't organize to find out what
Speaker 1: actually happened. I mean, are we that cut off from
Speaker 1: the system at large? That's that's a real question, because
Speaker 1: it's not just her, it's all the rest of these cases,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I mean for me when I heard
Speaker 3: about her colon and I know it's funny because it is.
Speaker 3: But the problem is is nobody likes to talk about
Speaker 3: the bruises that she had on the backs of her legs,
Speaker 3: in her arms. Nobody's if she killed herself. How the
Speaker 3: fuck did she get those? And her colon was so
Speaker 3: bruised and purple that it was obvious that that's the
Speaker 3: entry point for this massive It was like such an
Speaker 3: overdose that she was dead within minutes. And there's actually
Speaker 3: other parts of the autopsy report that fucking support that
Speaker 3: theory too. But go ahead, Nick, what were you going
Speaker 3: to say?
Speaker 2: I was wondering too. Listen, just stuff could have been
Speaker 2: still stuck up there for you know, pills or whatever.
Speaker 2: But again, was the level so high that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: even absorbed all of that? Well, like if you again,
Speaker 2: if you were to die before you even get that
Speaker 2: high again, but did it? I still wouldn't think it
Speaker 2: would be absorbed that way. I'm still thinking more of it.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: With the corner and the medical examiner. They well, she
Speaker 3: would have had to have a liquid enema. And so
Speaker 3: if you've ever seen the type of yes, it was
Speaker 3: the liquid form, because you want to introduce it so
Speaker 3: fast into the body that it absorbs rapidly and kill.
Speaker 2: The best place to do that, Actually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what they what they the conclusion was based
Speaker 3: on the autopsy is, I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 3: seen them, but there's two types of enemas. There's like
Speaker 3: a bag and a hose, where like you fill a
Speaker 3: bag up and you run a hose up your ass.
Speaker 3: And then there's another type of enemo where it's almost
Speaker 3: like a bulb and it has like a long hope,
Speaker 3: like a long tube on it, and you just scuirt
Speaker 3: it really fast and then it like flushes you and
Speaker 3: you just go about your day. They decided, based on
Speaker 3: the autopsy findings that it would have probably been one
Speaker 3: of those bulb type enemas that were they literally put
Speaker 3: it in her ass, squeezed it, and she was dead
Speaker 3: almost instantly because of the overload of UH. They put
Speaker 3: it in such a high concentration when they squirted it
Speaker 3: in there, she was probably dead within like a minute,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe less than sixty seconds. And so the the
Speaker 3: other reason they say that is because Marilyn had cyanosis,
Speaker 3: which is something that you see when someone dies in
Speaker 3: a really rapid way way suffocation, drowning, massive overdose, like
Speaker 3: if you shot up and you died like right after
Speaker 3: you shot up you would have sinosis, and it's basically
Speaker 3: where you turned blue from oxygen being cut off. So
Speaker 3: why would you have that if you died a slow
Speaker 3: agonizing pill overdose, because it takes a long time. It's
Speaker 3: like Lisa said, maybe even thirty minutes for you to
Speaker 3: even start overdosing on sedative drugs. And Maryland showed signs
Speaker 3: of syinosis, which means she died so rapidly that she
Speaker 3: literally turned blue, like if she got suffocated or drowned.
Speaker 4: It looks like hypothermia, like your finger dose, all your
Speaker 4: fingernails from blue.
Speaker 5: You're extremities from blue.
Speaker 4: Sometimes even your ears or whatever cut off, and so
Speaker 4: you start to lose blood flow to these extremities and
Speaker 4: serve because you're having pulmonary heart issues in order to
Speaker 4: circulate that oxygen to these terminies.
Speaker 5: So she had.
Speaker 3: Particular yes, she did, And so it's just like I
Speaker 3: was saying before. When you die of a sedative drug
Speaker 3: overdose by oral ingestion, there are several things you can
Speaker 3: look for, vomiting pills, digestive track, refractive crystals, and you
Speaker 3: usually don't have huge bruises all over the back of
Speaker 3: your body, and you don't have syinosis, so that with
Speaker 3: her colon showing like literal signs of uh something being
Speaker 3: injected in there. Yes, and I mean this is what
Speaker 3: the medical examiner and his name was Thomas Negucci, and
Speaker 3: he actually did like John Belushi's autopsy. He's actually got
Speaker 3: a lot of really famous people and done their autopsies.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, he was so confused by them
Speaker 3: keeping on saying that she had to have died of
Speaker 3: an overdose that he wanted to prove to everyone that
Speaker 3: there's no way she could have. So he wanted all
Speaker 3: of her organs retested, and he did the initial tests,
Speaker 3: came up with this conclusion, wanted to prove it to everyone,
Speaker 3: so he said, Okay, we're gonna retest all of her organs.
Speaker 3: And then when they went to go do that, just
Speaker 3: so happens somebody had hallowed Maryland out and her fucking
Speaker 3: organs went missing, so they couldn't even retest them. Somebody
Speaker 3: literally took all of her organs, put them in a
Speaker 3: fucking bag and they disappeared, so they could never be retested,
Speaker 3: and they only had the original autopsy report from the
Speaker 3: medical examiner to go off of. Nobody could retest them.
Speaker 3: Nobody could. Fucking literally, you guys, if that doesn't reek
Speaker 3: to you of a setup, I don't know what else
Speaker 3: to tell you. I mean, why on earth would somebody
Speaker 3: these internal organs go missing overnight? And when she got
Speaker 3: to the morgue, her fucking body apparently went missing for
Speaker 3: a long amount of time, and then she turned back up,
Speaker 3: and fucking I mean, they just they were trying to
Speaker 3: hide so much stuff in such a short duration of time.
Speaker 3: And then all of the original notes and stuff from
Speaker 3: the medical examiner were put in a file and they
Speaker 3: were sent to Washington, and nobody ever saw that file again,
Speaker 3: and the only thing doctor Noguchi had to go on
Speaker 3: was his original notes that he wrote down for himself
Speaker 3: from her autopsy. The files they're in Washington somewhere fucking
Speaker 3: buried because they don't want anybody to see that shit.
Speaker 1: You know, I was gonna say, it's a big brain
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists. We should start a nationwide campaign of get
Speaker 1: to know your medical examiners, right, because, I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems doable. And if we could take the bad medical
Speaker 1: examiners out and actually have people we could trust in there,
Speaker 1: the murder rate is just going to drop. Dramatically right
Speaker 1: over nor.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, and the club.
Speaker 4: Murders, isn't most of them, like corners elected the medical
Speaker 4: examiners are not or something like that.
Speaker 5: It depends what surprise me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't even hitten license to be a corner
Speaker 4: or something. I can't remember what it was. When we
Speaker 4: were looking at best FK stuff that it was very
Speaker 4: very intriguing how some of these corners can be elected
Speaker 4: in or appointed in, not elected appointed in.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say that doctor Neguchi, he's worked on
Speaker 3: many famous people, and it's not that they've discredited him.
Speaker 3: They just bury him, so nobody really knows about it.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I'm I'm sure that you never even
Speaker 3: heard that name before, and he's worked on some of
Speaker 3: the most famous people of all time and done their autopsies.
Speaker 3: So it's not like they discredit him because he's not lying.
Speaker 3: Doctor Sarah Weck yeah, uh, he's got something to do
Speaker 3: with it too, but I can't remember. And actually Sarah
Speaker 3: Weck worked on something to do with John Beney too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So these these medical examiners, it's not like people are
Speaker 3: discrediting them, is that they bury them in everything that
Speaker 3: they say. And you know, like with Marilyn, her fucking
Speaker 3: organs go missing. So it's not like anybody can even
Speaker 3: go back and do their own tests and shit and
Speaker 3: come up with isn't like that the scientific theory is
Speaker 3: to test it twice. They can't even do that because
Speaker 3: the shit goes missing. So I do also want to
Speaker 3: talk about her lividity markings, which, for those who don't know,
Speaker 3: lividity markings are when your blood settles in your body
Speaker 3: after you die. So you can tell a lot by
Speaker 3: the position someone was in when they died based on
Speaker 3: the lividity markings. Because if you died on your back,
Speaker 3: all the blood will settle to the back of your
Speaker 3: body and your head, and it'll be really easy to
Speaker 3: u analyze that and say this person died laying face
Speaker 3: up right. But if you move a dead person a
Speaker 3: bunch of times, they'll get multiple lividity markings because the
Speaker 3: blood will start to settle. You flip them around, they'll
Speaker 3: get a secondary lividity marking. You flip them around again,
Speaker 3: they'll get what's called the tertiary lividity markings. So the
Speaker 3: when Sergeant Clemens arrived on the scene, they said that
Speaker 3: Marilyn had not been moved at all. That that's how
Speaker 3: they found her, that's how she died, and no questions asked.
Speaker 3: This is this is how they find her. And she
Speaker 3: she's laying in what's called the soldier's position, which is
Speaker 3: face down with her arms and her legs straight down
Speaker 3: by her sides. And they say that she wasn't moved
Speaker 3: at all after she died, and that she just took
Speaker 3: a bunch of pills and just laid there with her
Speaker 3: head hanging off the bed and died. But she had
Speaker 3: not only secondary lividity markings, she had tertiary lividity markings,
Speaker 3: which means she had been flipped three times after she died,
Speaker 3: and with the bruises that she had on her body,
Speaker 3: it would appear based on forensic evidence, this is not
Speaker 3: my opinion, that she died in a face down position
Speaker 3: being held down, which caused the bruises, and then she
Speaker 3: was flipped over onto her back face up for a
Speaker 3: considerable period of time which caused secondary markings. And then
Speaker 3: she was flipped over again in the face down death
Speaker 3: position and left there until the police arrived. So she
Speaker 3: was on one two, three times flipped after after death.
Speaker 3: And again I don't know a lot of dead people
Speaker 3: who get the fuck up and start flipping themselves around.
Speaker 3: But explain to me how if she committed suicide she
Speaker 3: was able to, fucking as a dead corpse flip herself
Speaker 3: around three or four times and then, you know, get
Speaker 3: in the face down soldier's position before the cops arrive.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: The other thing left is she didn't shoot herself in
Speaker 2: the back of the head.
Speaker 4: I was going to say that the face down position
Speaker 4: agrees with the anima theory.
Speaker 3: Yes it did, and it also mad it make sense
Speaker 3: if she died in a face down position of a
Speaker 3: sedative drug overdose, why she wouldn't have vomited and why
Speaker 3: there would be no regurgitated material anywhere near her body.
Speaker 3: If she died in a face down position with her
Speaker 3: head hanging off the bed.
Speaker 2: I saw on her back, I would think puking would
Speaker 2: even be more of a reason for death.
Speaker 3: Well, and there there's no puke, and there's no no.
Speaker 2: I would picking actually.
Speaker 3: Sawed it right, And actually the medical examiner said her
Speaker 3: stomach was empty and that she hadn't even eaten that day,
Speaker 3: and that she had drank some water. But that's it.
Speaker 3: That in my opinion, makes me think she was highly
Speaker 3: stressed out. Because I don't know about any of you
Speaker 3: ladies out there, but if I'm in a highly stressful situation,
Speaker 3: the last thing I'm worried about doing is eating, And
Speaker 3: like all day supposedly she was having arguments with Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 3: that he showed up at the house first thing in
Speaker 3: the morning, that he was slamming shit around, slamming doors, screaming.
Speaker 3: The housekeeper and the neighbors confirmed it, and it's like
Speaker 3: she hadn't even eaten that day. She was calling her
Speaker 3: friend and saying she was stressed out, like she had
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff going on, and for there not
Speaker 3: to be any vomit or any food in her stomach
Speaker 3: or anything like this, it just suggested to me like
Speaker 3: she was already stressed out, there was a lot of
Speaker 3: shit going on. She definitely didn't take pills.
Speaker 1: And the lividity marks being secondary and tertiary indicates to
Speaker 1: me that the body was being moved, so she might
Speaker 1: not have even died in that house. They just placed
Speaker 1: her there afterwards.
Speaker 3: I don't know if she did die in the house.
Speaker 3: If I'm being honest with you, and this is where
Speaker 3: it starts to get really weird, because they've the housekeeper
Speaker 3: supposedly this is a story. The housekeeper finds Marilyn or no,
Speaker 3: she doesn't, Okay. The housekeeper says, she woke up around
Speaker 3: midnight and she saw that the light was still on
Speaker 3: in Marilyn's room, knocked on the door, tried the handle,
Speaker 3: and she couldn't get in. She thought Marilyn had locked
Speaker 3: herself in her bedroom and was having like some kind
Speaker 3: of an anxiety attack because she wouldn't answer the door.
Speaker 3: So the how housekeeper supposedly called her psychiatrist to come
Speaker 3: over to the house. The psychiatrist couldn't open the door,
Speaker 3: so he went around the front of the house, busted
Speaker 3: in the window, crawled through Maryland's bedroom window, found her dead,
Speaker 3: unlocked the bedroom door for the housekeeper to come in,
Speaker 3: and then they took four hours to call the cops,
Speaker 3: and in the meantime called Maryland's publicist, her primary care physician,
Speaker 3: a bunch of like weird Hollywood agents, and then called
Speaker 3: the cops four hours later. Okay, so when Sergeant Clemens
Speaker 3: arrives to the scene, they've already known Maryland's been dead
Speaker 3: for four fucking hours, and the housekeeper when he gets
Speaker 3: to the house, is doing laundry and he's like, what
Speaker 3: have you guys been doing for the last four to
Speaker 3: five hours that you didn't call the cops and you
Speaker 3: couldn't someone that Marilyn was dead. And she was like, well,
Speaker 3: I've been doing laundry. Who the fuck are you doing
Speaker 3: laundry for when your employer is fucking dead as shit
Speaker 3: in the next room, Like, I'm pretty sure Marylyn doesn't
Speaker 3: need her whites fucking washed and cleaned ready for Sunday.
Speaker 3: She's dead, okay, So who are you doing laundry for?
Speaker 3: And the laundry right, it's like and she hated Marylyn too,
Speaker 3: She always told everybody what a dick she was, So
Speaker 3: why in the event of her death are you still
Speaker 3: continuing to do her laundry for four hours?
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 3: The UH sergeant is looking around and he says, why
Speaker 3: is the bedroom window broken? And the psychiatrist gives him
Speaker 3: the story. He's like, well, I was called to the
Speaker 3: house and the door was locked, so I had to
Speaker 3: go around the front of the house and bust open
Speaker 3: the window to get inside the house. And he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's weird. Why is all the glass on the outside
Speaker 3: of the house then, and not on the inside in
Speaker 3: the bedroom.
Speaker 1: That's four hours of tampering with the with the scene
Speaker 1: of the crime, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right, And think about it. If you were outside
Speaker 3: of the house and you busted the window in and
Speaker 3: then climbed through it to get to Maryland, why is
Speaker 3: all the glass in the grass outside and not on
Speaker 3: the inside in the bedroom where the fuck it should
Speaker 3: be if you broke into the window, there's no glass
Speaker 3: in the bedroom. All the glasses on the fucking outside
Speaker 3: of the house, which is consistent with what somebody breaking
Speaker 3: the window from inside of the bedroom, So that part
Speaker 3: of the story doesn't fucking add up. And then he goes,
Speaker 3: all right, you busted in this window to get to Maryland.
Speaker 3: Did you do CPR? Did you No? I didn't touch
Speaker 3: the body. Nobody touched the body. You're a psychiatrist, you're
Speaker 3: a medical professional. You just busted in a window to
Speaker 3: check on Maryland, who you don't even know is dead yet.
Speaker 3: But you didn't bob to roll her over, You didn't
Speaker 3: bother to administer CPR, you didn't bother to check if
Speaker 3: she was dead. You just assumed so, and fucking spent
Speaker 3: four hours sitting around the house before you call the police.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. Anybody knows if you stumble upon
Speaker 3: a person that looks like they're in any type of distress,
Speaker 3: you check and see if they're breathing, and you administer CPR.
Speaker 3: Any medical professional knows that. But he's gonna bust through
Speaker 3: a window to get to her and not even bother
Speaker 3: to check her polls, didn't touch her at all, didn't
Speaker 3: do CPR nothing, She's dead, fuck her, and just sat
Speaker 3: around the house for four hours, calling her fucking publicist
Speaker 3: before they they informed the police. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Somebody had to perfectly place that pill bottle over on
Speaker 1: its side next to the bed, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: that was a big job.
Speaker 3: Well that's part of the next fucked up part of
Speaker 3: the story is Sergeant Clemens says, Okay, there's a knocked
Speaker 3: over pill bottle on the side of the bed. You're
Speaker 3: as the side kiatrist trying to tell me that she
Speaker 3: overdosed on pills. That's fine, he said, If that's true,
Speaker 3: why oh why is there no drinking glass next to
Speaker 3: the pills. So he starts looking. The sergeant starts looking around,
Speaker 3: and the psychiatrist starts looking around and at that point
Speaker 3: her primary care providership for whatever the fuck reason, and
Speaker 3: all three of them are looking around the bedroom, the bathroom,
Speaker 3: the rest of the house for a supposed drinking glass
Speaker 3: that she could have used to take these pills. Not
Speaker 3: only did they not find a drinking glass, they also
Speaker 3: found out that the water had been cut off to
Speaker 3: Marylyn's house because she was in the middle of renovations,
Speaker 3: and it made it even less likely that she used
Speaker 3: water out of a tap or any type of And
Speaker 3: so if the water is cut off from Maryland's house
Speaker 3: and there's no drinking glass anywhere, there's no juice on
Speaker 3: the table, there's nothing, there's no glass anywhere, how did
Speaker 3: Marylyn swallow sixty to seventy nambutah and nineteen to twenty
Speaker 3: chloral hydrate tap? She dry swallowed him? Apparently that was
Speaker 3: their theory.
Speaker 1: Geez, I mean, you got all this stuff up, and
Speaker 1: then you got to work backwards, you know, because at
Speaker 1: this point you're never gonna get any answers as to
Speaker 1: the death. But to get the team in place that
Speaker 1: could do that sort of thing, I mean, even though
Speaker 1: it's kind of an amateurist job. They still did a
Speaker 1: better job than most of the assassination crews back in
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties who just left tons and tons of evidence.
Speaker 5: You know, I think.
Speaker 3: They did a little bit better of a cleanup job
Speaker 3: with Maryland, but it still wasn't impeccable. Because the police
Speaker 3: sergeant steps away to talk to the housekeeper, asks her
Speaker 3: some questions, and when he gets back to her room,
Speaker 3: right before the press shows up and all the pictures
Speaker 3: are taken of Maryland found in the nude that was
Speaker 3: the headline, Marylyn found in the nude pill bottle knocked
Speaker 3: out over there goes a fucking water glass right next
Speaker 3: to her nightstand, So who the fuck put that there?
Speaker 3: It's in his notes. There was no drinking glass of
Speaker 3: any kind. They looked through the whole fucking house for
Speaker 3: one and couldn't find it. But right before the people
Speaker 3: show up to start taking pictures, there goes a fucking
Speaker 3: glass of water right next to the bed. So they're
Speaker 3: literally planting evidence in the face of the police officers.
Speaker 3: They don't like, no fucks given kind of shit. And
Speaker 3: if she were to have taken as her autopsy report shows,
Speaker 3: sixty to seventy nibutah. There wouldn't have been any pills
Speaker 3: on the nightstand to be knocked over. The bottle would
Speaker 3: have been empty. She would have I mean, to have
Speaker 3: the levels that she had in her body. There would
Speaker 3: have been no pills left in the bottle for this
Speaker 3: fucking whatever, this this photo op. I mean, they did
Speaker 3: it literally just to make things look sensationalized, like look
Speaker 3: at these pills knocked over and there goes a water
Speaker 3: glass that wasn't there five minutes ago. And I mean
Speaker 3: it just it does not make sense at all that
Speaker 3: she would have died of a of a sedative drug overdose.
Speaker 3: And this guy sat Sergeant Jack Clemens, has tried to
Speaker 3: speak out multiple times. You can find him on YouTube.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of videos of him talking about the
Speaker 3: crime scene. And you know he's buried and he wasn't
Speaker 3: even asked to testify at the trial. So they've done
Speaker 3: a great job. The housekeeper's quarters were separate from Maryland's house.
Speaker 3: To Resa, they were it was like a guest cottage
Speaker 3: with a washer and dryer in it. The main house
Speaker 3: had the water cut off, but the housekeeper's uh, I
Speaker 3: guess it was like a guest cottage. Where she did
Speaker 3: laundry and shit and she lived. But also that that's
Speaker 3: an interesting thing to bring up because after the housekeeper
Speaker 3: was interviewed, she fucked off to Europe for like four
Speaker 3: or five years and wasn't able to testify or be
Speaker 3: questioned either because her story didn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 5: And a housekeeper have enough money to fuck off in Europe.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's another great point, because you know, she
Speaker 3: was questioned, her story didn't make sense, and then she
Speaker 3: fucks off to Europe.
Speaker 7: And then.
Speaker 3: The night that Maryland died, this guest cottage that I'm
Speaker 3: talking about, and some of Maryland's personal items were broken
Speaker 3: into and stolen. Like in the guest cottage there was
Speaker 3: a cabinet, a locked cabinet with Maryland's personal journals, and
Speaker 3: the night that she died it was forcibly broken into
Speaker 3: and all the journals were stolen. Why, oh why, if
Speaker 3: you're gonna commit suicide, use break into your own journal cabinet,
Speaker 3: steal all of your own journals, hide them somewhere, roll
Speaker 3: yourself around a few times after you die, clean up
Speaker 3: your vomit apparently too, as a corpse, and then you
Speaker 3: know it, just the amount of stuff that was found
Speaker 3: at the crime scene absolutely cannot be consistent with Marylyn
Speaker 3: just being a depressed asshole who wanted to kill yourself.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't add up. And I don't even have
Speaker 3: to go conspiratorial to make this not add up. I'm
Speaker 3: just telling you the literal forensic evidence that makes this
Speaker 3: not add up. And I don't know if you guys
Speaker 3: are into like forensic files or any of like the
Speaker 3: detective shows or anything like that, but they always say
Speaker 3: the same thing in those shows, and they say, you
Speaker 3: cannot start off an investigation with a subject in your
Speaker 3: mind and try to make evidence fit that subject because
Speaker 3: that's who you want it to be. You have to
Speaker 3: go into an investmenttigation and let the forensic evidence tell
Speaker 3: the story, and then you form your suspect list based
Speaker 3: off of that evidence. And so if we're gonna do
Speaker 3: that in the case of Maryland, suicide has already ruled off.
Speaker 3: So who do we have left that killed her? Because
Speaker 3: the evidence would suggest this is a homicide. So we
Speaker 3: have the CIA, Maryland's involved in all kinds of weird
Speaker 3: fucking programs. We have the Kennedys, and we also have
Speaker 3: the mafia because the Mafia and the Kennedys had Maryland's
Speaker 3: phones tapped. They that she was literally double tapped in
Speaker 3: more ways than one, I'm sure. But they were running
Speaker 3: train on Maryland, the Mafia and the Kennedys tapping her phones,
Speaker 3: following her everywhere, and they were keeping up on her
Speaker 3: fucking whereabouts and stuff that she was saying. So that
Speaker 3: is going to be my suspect list. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys have your own theories on that, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to go Kennedy's CIA mafia.
Speaker 5: Or oh, go ahead on the CIA tip.
Speaker 1: What you're saying about her journals really reminds me a
Speaker 1: lot of James Jesus Angleton's hunt for these journals of
Speaker 1: Mary pincho Meyer, right, and he.
Speaker 3: With the Kennedy's.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was he was hunting for these journals
Speaker 7: that she had basically taken from the entire early part
Speaker 7: of the nineteen sixties, and basically he lost his whole
Speaker 7: mind looking for these things.
Speaker 1: He was seeing moles everywhere. And this is why we
Speaker 1: have the Oracle Corporation today, is because they wanted to
Speaker 1: get all of the information about the OSS and CIA
Speaker 1: Adam's head onto a spreadsheet before you know, he completely
Speaker 1: lost his mind and died. But yeah, he was looking really,
Speaker 1: really hard. This went back to Watergate as well as
Speaker 1: many other things. That was the only thing stolen in
Speaker 1: Watergate was Mary pinchow Meyer's journals, and so for for
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe's journals to go missing in a locked cabinet.
Speaker 3: It seems like, and what are the coincidence that JFK
Speaker 3: was fucking both Mary pinchot Meyer and Maryland like he
Speaker 3: was fucking boom and both of them ended up with
Speaker 3: stolen journals and fucking But here's the thing, because the
Speaker 3: mafia was running train on Maryland too. The mafia was
Speaker 3: severely pissed the fuck off at the Kennedy's because they
Speaker 3: got stabbed in the back by the Kennedys after they
Speaker 3: helped them get into office. So they had a fucking
Speaker 3: bone to pick with the Kennedys, And so they could
Speaker 3: have framed the Kennedys because they were so openly in
Speaker 3: a relationship. Both Bobby and John F. Kennedy were openly
Speaker 3: in a relationship with Maryland. Everybody fucking knew about it,
Speaker 3: So it would almost make sense that the mafia would
Speaker 3: kill her and then frame the Kennedys to make it
Speaker 3: look like it was them because they hated them so much.
Speaker 3: And also there were a lot of other mafia related
Speaker 3: deaths in and around that time, death by massive overdose
Speaker 3: via Innima bulb. That was like one of their favorite
Speaker 3: fucking things to do that you know they that almost
Speaker 3: is is untraceable. You just find a dead person and
Speaker 3: there's no gunshot, no stab, no nothing, and you administer
Speaker 3: it up their ass and it's just they're dead instantly
Speaker 3: and you just go on about your day.
Speaker 5: That was like a.
Speaker 3: Weapon of choice, if you will, for the mafia, So
Speaker 3: for me and Robert Kennedy was there that morning at
Speaker 3: Marilyn's house. Her neighbors even said that they saw him
Speaker 3: and then she dies that night. Maybe they set it
Speaker 3: up to make it look like it was the Kennedys,
Speaker 3: but it really wasn't. But another thing that's weird is
Speaker 3: the CIA plays a big part to do with the
Speaker 3: cleanup because after Maryland dies, who the fuck sends the
Speaker 3: cleanup crew over there? J Edgar Hoover? Why the fuck
Speaker 3: is j Edgar Hoover getting involved in Marilyn Monroe's so
Speaker 3: called suicide? Like if it's just a suicide and it's
Speaker 3: just dry like that if it had nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the Kennedys or anyone else. Why is j Edgar
Speaker 3: Hoover getting involved with the cleanup crew? Your thoughts?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Right, it was a matter of
Speaker 6: national security to clean up that and take the journals
Speaker 6: because of her time with the Kennedy's.
Speaker 4: That it would compromise any information that was said. Let's
Speaker 4: just go with blandness, right, that it would compromise anything
Speaker 4: any kind of conversations that was between Maryland and the
Speaker 4: Kennedy boys. I would be wat Jay Edgar who are
Speaker 4: but I mean Jayenger, who plays a lot of parts
Speaker 4: in a lot of these murders out of Hollywood. And
Speaker 4: I think, not to interrupt you, Headless, but like what
Speaker 4: Tara had said in the chat, and I was going
Speaker 4: to bring that up too, And I think you've mentioned
Speaker 4: this in a previous show.
Speaker 5: She had clearance lookout Mountain. Oh, yes, she did appearance
Speaker 5: to some of the highest types of places.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually mentioned that. And we are scheduled to
Speaker 3: do this episode. I hope you're on it, Lisa, and
Speaker 3: Headless you too, But we're going to do Colby and
Speaker 3: I are going to do Laurel Canyon. I think maybe
Speaker 3: next week isn't it. But the Lookout Mountain Laboratory is
Speaker 3: a big part of the Laurel Canyon scene, and only
Speaker 3: the highest of the highest, the tippity toppers, had clearance
Speaker 3: to get into this place. So John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, somehow,
Speaker 3: fucking Frank Sinatra with his mafia ass like a lot
Speaker 3: of these guys had top secret clearance to get into
Speaker 3: this Lookout Mountain Laboratory. So don't think like I said
Speaker 3: at the beginning of this episode that Marilyn didn't have
Speaker 3: a connection with some of these programs, because she definitely
Speaker 3: was involved in them. I think she was working as
Speaker 3: like a sex kitten in some type of capacity, gathering information.
Speaker 3: And then she might have not even been aware of
Speaker 3: her role in everything, like she might have not even
Speaker 3: been aware of her altra personality. But she was definitely
Speaker 3: serving a purpose. And some people say that the birthday
Speaker 3: party close to the end of her life was what
Speaker 3: did it for the Nail and the Coffin, because she
Speaker 3: was not supposed to be at JFK's birthday party. She
Speaker 3: was actually uninvited. They said, don't fucking show up. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants you here, and what does she do? She shows
Speaker 3: up anyways in a see through nude dress and sings
Speaker 3: Happy Birthday. She was like, not only am I showing up,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the main attraction. And she literally sung
Speaker 3: Happy Birthday to the President in front of Jackie in
Speaker 3: a nude see through dress. And then she danced with
Speaker 3: Bobby and John F. Kennedy all night and all the
Speaker 3: pictures that were taken. The photographers were staying in a
Speaker 3: hotel and the CIA pounded on all their doors that
Speaker 3: night and confiscated all their cameras and all of their
Speaker 3: fucking photographs that they had taken and said, don't fucking
Speaker 3: publish anything about the Kennedys and Marilyn Monroe. And then
Speaker 3: like a couple months later, she turns up dead. But
Speaker 3: I still don't think that rules out the mafia or
Speaker 3: the CIA being in the driver's seat when it came
Speaker 3: to her death. I just I'd love to say it
Speaker 3: was the Kennedy's. I don't know if they had that
Speaker 3: type of fucking authority, you know, I think there were
Speaker 3: people working above them that got to make those calls.
Speaker 1: Well, I think in a lot.
Speaker 5: Of ways you could.
Speaker 1: You could go back to Peter Thield's boyfriend that showed
Speaker 1: up at his birthday party uninvited and then he falls
Speaker 1: off of a balcony a couple of days later, So
Speaker 1: you've got that angle too. But I think, really, if
Speaker 1: you're going to get down to it, when Jaegar Hoover's
Speaker 1: in there looking for whatever he can find to clean
Speaker 1: up this this whole situation, you could say that he's
Speaker 1: got a long history of collecting compromont on a lot
Speaker 1: of people. And you see that with you know, going
Speaker 1: after what's his name, MLK and other people, is like
Speaker 1: he has to collect the compromont. So even as a
Speaker 1: target of opportunity, you really get the idea that this
Speaker 1: is part of what the FBI does, is they collect
Speaker 1: compromising information and they have no jurisdiction. I mean, there
Speaker 1: was according to everybody who you know, report on the crime,
Speaker 1: there was no crime committed. It was just a pure
Speaker 1: So there's absolutely no reason jurisdictionally for them to even
Speaker 1: be there for them to do the cleanup. It should
Speaker 1: be well, I mean that should have been on the
Speaker 1: priorities list too, Like what did the you know, FBI
Speaker 1: steal from Marilyn Monroe's house. You know where was that declassified?
Speaker 1: I guess we didn't get that declassification. Maybe that hurts
Speaker 1: too many people today, but I mean it's all tied
Speaker 1: into the same thing. And really is there a difference
Speaker 1: from the CIA to the mob considering Operation Underworld was
Speaker 1: basically the marriage of the mob and the CIA, I
Speaker 1: mean or OSS at the time. You know, Operation Underworld
Speaker 1: it said we're going to let these mobsters continue their
Speaker 1: racket on these ports, and we're just going to supervise
Speaker 1: them because they're the best ones to be able to
Speaker 1: stop any kind of foreign interference. Well when did that
Speaker 1: ever stop? I don't think that Operation Underworld ever quit.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's why I say that the heard death
Speaker 3: specifically cannot be debated at all. Was not a suicide
Speaker 3: based on forensic evidence, But who did it? That's the
Speaker 3: conspiratorial part, because I mean, sure we could say it's
Speaker 3: one of three, one of four different agencies that could
Speaker 3: have been working in fucking hoots together to clean this
Speaker 3: up and to do it. But that is the conspiratorial
Speaker 3: part of it. Because I can tell you, based on
Speaker 3: forensic evidence that she didn't kill herself but I can't
Speaker 3: tell you who did it. And you know, they did
Speaker 3: find a phone number for the Oval office that was
Speaker 3: scribbled on a piece of paper and balled up in
Speaker 3: Maryland's bed that was entered into evidence. They did find that.
Speaker 3: I can tell.
Speaker 1: You that.
Speaker 3: There were phone calls that Marilyn made that night that
Speaker 3: would also suggest that she did not have any drugs
Speaker 3: in her system, because she actually made a phone call
Speaker 3: to one of her friends maybe fifteen minutes before the
Speaker 3: time of death, and her friend she did not have
Speaker 3: slurred speech, she was in a complete normal frame of mind.
Speaker 3: She was talking about some projects she was working on
Speaker 3: that she was really excited about the future, and said
Speaker 3: that her psychiatrist had been weaning her off her sleeping
Speaker 3: pills and asked if her friend had any and if
Speaker 3: she did, could she bring some over because she was
Speaker 3: having a hard time going to sleep. So if she
Speaker 3: had already taken sixty to seventy, Nimbutohl, why would she
Speaker 3: be calling her friend fifteen minutes before the time of
Speaker 3: her death in a completely normal frame of mind, without
Speaker 3: slurred speech or any indication that she had just taken
Speaker 3: seventy sleeping pills and asking her friend for more sleeping pills.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense at all. She also, right after
Speaker 3: that phone call, made a phone call to her hair
Speaker 3: stylist and confirmed her hair appointment for the next morning.
Speaker 3: So tell me why, fifteen minutes before you're fucking dead,
Speaker 3: you're calling your hairstylist to confirm your hair appointment for
Speaker 3: the next morning, like that would be on your fucking
Speaker 3: priority list of things to do. None of this makes
Speaker 3: sense whatsoever. And you know, in my opinion, the way
Speaker 3: that they sprawl out with their head hanging off the
Speaker 3: bed and completely nude, just barely covered with a sheet,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, is a humiliation ritual for Marylyn because
Speaker 3: she had no makeup on, her hair, looked like dogshit,
Speaker 3: she was completely naked. You know, they did all this
Speaker 3: stuff to ch have bruises all over her body, and
Speaker 3: that's the photo that they put as a headline Marylyn
Speaker 3: found in the nude And for me, it's a humiliation
Speaker 3: ritual for Marylyn because no one, I don't care who
Speaker 3: you are, whether you're vain or not, wants that to
Speaker 3: be the last image that everyone sees of you, especially
Speaker 3: for a sex icon like Marylyn. And it's it's dehumanizing.
Speaker 3: And also for someone like Marilyn, who was, like I said,
Speaker 3: like a sex icon. And she was a very dramatic
Speaker 3: person and she was the life of the party, and
Speaker 3: you know, she's in movies, you name it whatever. She
Speaker 3: was a avid journaler. She that's why they had to
Speaker 3: break into that cabinet and steal all of her journals.
Speaker 3: For someone like this, why is there no suicide note?
Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense to me. If you take someone
Speaker 3: with the personality like Marilyn, who is literally obsessed with herself,
Speaker 3: there's no suicide note. Really, that just it just doesn't
Speaker 3: make sense to me. Whatso not even like a scribble
Speaker 3: of something something iconic. I mean, you're Marilyn Monroe and
Speaker 3: you're gonna kill yourself, you don't leave a suicide note.
Speaker 3: It just that part always bothered me. I don't care
Speaker 3: how depressed you are. At least if you're as famous
Speaker 3: as Marilyn Monroe, you might think she would have scribbled
Speaker 3: some shit down somewhere as a suicide note.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure she ain't even let herself be found
Speaker 2: the way she was.
Speaker 3: I don't think so either. I don't think she would
Speaker 3: have wanted to be found with no makeup on, completely
Speaker 3: nude like that. I just still, I just I'm not
Speaker 3: buying it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of almost like a mindful I think, his
Speaker 2: images of sex the less time, you're the last image
Speaker 2: you're going to have of this woman. Now it's fucked up,
Speaker 2: and it still looks like it's sexual rights.
Speaker 5: That's why I think so.
Speaker 4: The fact that so this is a textbook psychology one
Speaker 4: on one, women take pills to commit suicide because women
Speaker 4: are more vain in essence, right, They don't want, you know,
Speaker 4: their head blown off and then that be the last
Speaker 4: thing you remember them. They actually want to look beautiful
Speaker 4: in their casket, even through death.
Speaker 5: They want to have that.
Speaker 4: And so if Carolyn, let's just say, took pills because
Speaker 4: she wanted to commit suicide, and that would be because
Speaker 4: she was vain, then she would have gotten dolled up
Speaker 4: and taken the pills, and you know, even in an
Speaker 4: neglige or something like that, been found that way or
Speaker 4: so to speak. Right, the other thing is that the
Speaker 4: fact that she was face down and naked does not
Speaker 4: agree with the whole vain aspect of it, but it
Speaker 4: agrees with someone that's pissed off at her that wants
Speaker 4: for her entire image and for her whole for an infinitum,
Speaker 4: to be forever ruined. And to me, and you had
Speaker 4: mentioned this on a previous show, that the fact that
Speaker 4: she showed up at the John F.
Speaker 5: Kennedy's birthday party wearing what she wore.
Speaker 4: And demanding to be you know, allowed in, and to
Speaker 4: even have the balls to even go and seeing means
Speaker 4: that she had that level of comfort with the Kennedys.
Speaker 4: She knew she wasn't going to be booed off stage,
Speaker 4: She knew that Kennedy wasn't going to escort her off
Speaker 4: or anything like that. She knew in her mind she
Speaker 4: had that way with them that she could get away
Speaker 4: with it. But the one thing that I think that
Speaker 4: doesn't ever get I guess talked about enough, but you
Speaker 4: mentioned it was.
Speaker 5: What was Jacqueline.
Speaker 4: Thinking at this point time seeing what's happening. She was humiliated,
Speaker 4: She had to have been humiliated, if not Robert F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy's wife had to have been humiliated, And for Marylynd
Speaker 4: to be found that way would have been humiliating for Marylyn.
Speaker 4: And so to me, it's almost worned she had the
Speaker 4: balls to show up because she was scorned.
Speaker 5: She was probably.
Speaker 4: Pissed off that whatever had happened had happened, and she
Speaker 4: was going to make a scene, and a scene she
Speaker 4: did make. But then in reverse, I think that somebody had,
Speaker 4: you know, took her out in the worst way possible.
Speaker 3: I think so too, And that's why I can never
Speaker 3: say for sure who I think is responsible for it,
Speaker 3: because if we can all agree in this podcast that
Speaker 3: it was a homicide, then the only thing left to
Speaker 3: do after that is to look at your suspect list.
Speaker 3: I think Jackie is definitely on there. I think that
Speaker 3: all the Kennedy's are definitely on there. I think that
Speaker 3: Mafia is definitely on there. I think, you know, the
Speaker 3: CIA is definitely on there. And what reeks to me
Speaker 3: of this being almost kind of methodical and planned out
Speaker 3: is like original autopsy report, missing, original police report, missing
Speaker 3: official medical reports, missing internal organs, missing journals, broken into
Speaker 3: and stolen, all the tech app phone calls, all those
Speaker 3: are recorded but missing. I mean, this is coming from
Speaker 3: from on high somewhere. And could it have been the Kennedy's. Uh,
Speaker 3: maybe Jackie was just like one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Speaker 3: After that and was like, you gotta do fucking something
Speaker 3: or I'm gonna start talking. I don't know, but I mean, it's.
Speaker 5: Just to me, wasn't the So my whole thing with
Speaker 5: that is that.
Speaker 4: The fact that Jackie knew of her husband being you know,
Speaker 4: sexually active in the community is that.
Speaker 5: And she really didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 4: And at that point in time, most women kind of
Speaker 4: turned a blind eye, but to be that public was interesting,
Speaker 4: and she did have the ear of Lyndon B.
Speaker 5: Johnson. Linda B.
Speaker 4: Johnson was very backing Kennedy, and I believe so was
Speaker 4: some other higher ups, And so I wonder.
Speaker 5: If maybe is conveniently placed that way.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not trying to peg Jackie as the person,
Speaker 4: but she knew of the affairs, that she was all
Speaker 4: aware of it, but not not to be embarrassed in
Speaker 4: front of everyone at the party like that.
Speaker 5: I don't see it going well.
Speaker 1: There's the angle too, of trying to frame the Kennedy's
Speaker 1: as being responsible for her death, because you know, she's
Speaker 1: got this nuts walled up in inner bed and then
Speaker 1: you know, none of this stuff makes sense, and maybe
Speaker 1: they ordered her to show up at the birthday party
Speaker 1: wearing that dress to make it really look like maybe
Speaker 1: somebody within the Kennedy camp decided to take action, And
Speaker 1: I think that that's a little bit more plausible. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, you basically asked for it.
Speaker 1: You know, the people who are ordering you around going
Speaker 1: to these parties and screwing up people's lives, is it's
Speaker 1: gonna screw up your life too. You know, there's really
Speaker 1: nothing you can get away with that you won't pay for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think, you know, if we're even going
Speaker 3: to talk about Lyndon Johnson and like what ended up
Speaker 3: having it happening to JFK, that it was JFK's assassination
Speaker 3: did not there was not a long period of time
Speaker 3: in between Maryland and JFK. So the only problem I
Speaker 3: have with the Kennedy theory that they wanted him dead too.
Speaker 3: And JFK did die after Marylyn and he you know,
Speaker 3: Lyndon Johnson, if we want to go with he could
Speaker 3: have had to play a part in Maryland, and he
Speaker 3: definitely played a part in what happened with JFK. He's
Speaker 3: a notorious murderer. I've actually covered him in a separate episode.
Speaker 3: He hired hitman. One of them's name was Mac something
Speaker 3: or other. I can't remember his last name, but he
Speaker 3: hired this guy. Lyndon B. Johnson hired this hit man.
Speaker 3: His name was Mac Wallace, I believe, to go take
Speaker 3: out this guy who had uncovered a bunch of money
Speaker 3: laundering stuff with Lyndon Johnson. And they rolled this guy's
Speaker 3: death a suicide. Even though he had supposedly blasted himself
Speaker 3: in the chest five times with a shotgun and then
Speaker 3: gave him get put cyanide on a washrag and covered
Speaker 3: his face with it. They still rolled it a suicide,
Speaker 3: Like how on the fucking planet do you load a
Speaker 3: shotgun and blast your own chest out five times and
Speaker 3: then go the extra mile of cyanide poisoning and they
Speaker 3: still ruled it a suicide. That's Linda B. Johnson. Everyone
Speaker 3: that is Lyndon B. Johnson. So, and his wife's a
Speaker 3: fucking asshole. She was fucking taking pictures with John Wayne
Speaker 3: Gacy and shit. So I mean they are all corrupt,
Speaker 3: ass fucking holes, ass fucking holes. And that's why I just,
Speaker 3: you know, looking at Marylyn Stah or any of this shit,
Speaker 3: and I do mention the connection with eyes wide shut
Speaker 3: because I think that Stanley puts clues about shit into
Speaker 3: all of his movies.
Speaker 4: I was gonna I look that up because you were
Speaker 4: talking about how there was that barbie that Helena was doing.
Speaker 4: So the barbie itself was the box Sugarplum Barbie doll,
Speaker 4: and it was the opening scene of The Nutcracker. And
Speaker 4: the dress that the barbie doll was wearing was a
Speaker 4: nod to the same dress that Marilyn Monroe and Jane
Speaker 4: Russell wore, or I'm sorry, the one that Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 4: wore in Gentlemen.
Speaker 5: Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, That's what it was. So it was
Speaker 3: a nod to Marilyn Monroe and the just think of
Speaker 3: the title Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. And like I said at
Speaker 3: the beginning of this fucking episode, I think the bleached
Speaker 3: hair is a uh it's like a dog collar that
Speaker 3: you wear, and it signals that this person it has
Speaker 3: an altar or they're in some type of a program.
Speaker 3: And what really bothers me is that Marilynd's psychiatrist, his
Speaker 3: name was doctor Greenson. I remember, okay, and this doctor
Speaker 3: Greenson's family went on the Netflix documentary and said, my
Speaker 3: father loved his patience. He would never cover anything up
Speaker 3: like this, he would never be involved in something like this.
Speaker 3: And it's like, listen, I don't give a fuck what
Speaker 3: doctor green Bean has to fucking say about this shit,
Speaker 3: because he's one hundred per All you have to do
Speaker 3: is flash a dollar amount in front of someone, and
Speaker 3: everybody has a price tag. I don't care how great
Speaker 3: your conscience is and how much you love your patience
Speaker 3: and shit like that. If you were talking about Marilyn Monroe, here,
Speaker 3: what dollars signed do I have to flash in front
Speaker 3: of you to make you go along with this story?
Speaker 3: Because thank you, by the way, I think this shit
Speaker 3: is important and if I can get people on board
Speaker 3: with this, it's a lot easier when we're talking about
Speaker 3: things that continue to happen. This is all staged. It's
Speaker 3: all a fucking setup, and it's some of it is sloppy,
Speaker 3: and they don't even try very hard. And it took
Speaker 3: me five minutes in a Google search to find some
Speaker 3: of this stuff. But you're never going to get that
Speaker 3: in a Netflix or HBO documentary. You know, you're never
Speaker 3: going to get this shit in a mainstream documentary.
Speaker 1: Right when you put it in context with things like
Speaker 1: the Epstein happening, it starts to make sense why they
Speaker 1: would want her to show up at this guy's birthday party,
Speaker 1: because now you've got compromise on him in front of
Speaker 1: the entire world, saying, look, they're together right here at
Speaker 1: his birthday party and everything. So you know, that could
Speaker 1: be the intimidation tactic that they were using against JFK
Speaker 1: before they went the extra mile and put the extra
Speaker 1: hole in his head, you know. So that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's.
Speaker 2: Kind of the thing.
Speaker 1: You have to use these people around the guys for
Speaker 1: methods of control. And maybe she didn't want to play
Speaker 1: the game anymore and that was the problem, and that's
Speaker 1: why they had to take her out, is because you
Speaker 1: can't have people not want to play your game if
Speaker 1: your game involves, you know, the ruler of the free world.
Speaker 3: Well, and I also think, like Marilyn, it's like I
Speaker 3: kind of said earlier, she was very full of herself,
Speaker 3: and I think she was overly confident that, oh, well,
Speaker 3: you can't kill me. I'm Marilyn Monroe. And I think
Speaker 3: she did start getting a little obvious there towards the end,
Speaker 3: with her infatuation with the Kennedy's, with her showing up
Speaker 3: at the birthday party, it was almost like she was flaunting,
Speaker 3: look what I can get away with, And you know,
Speaker 3: as the saying goes, she fucked around and found out
Speaker 3: which she could get away with. And you know, she
Speaker 3: had relationships with known mobsters. She had relationships with Sam
Speaker 3: g and Kanna, She had relationships with Frank Sinatra. She
Speaker 3: even had a relationship with this Soviet spy named Frederick Field.
Speaker 3: So there are obvious and clearly visible sexual relationships with
Speaker 3: some of the top mob guys, the Kennedy's. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're talking about this wasn't just your average actress who
Speaker 3: had like an A list friends group. We're talking high
Speaker 3: level military, high level political spheres, and Maryland's right in
Speaker 3: the middle of all of it. And she got a
Speaker 3: little bit brazen, I think, and they just you know,
Speaker 3: had to do something with her. And I think that
Speaker 3: the way that they displayed her body was completely humiliating.
Speaker 3: I think that was on purpose as fuck. And she'll
Speaker 3: forever be known as this depressed woman who killed herself
Speaker 3: and took a bunch of pills and they found her
Speaker 3: naked body in her bedroom. But if you look even
Speaker 3: to this day, there are so many cosmetic lines that
Speaker 3: are dedicated to Marylyn. People decorate their houses with pictures
Speaker 3: of Marylyn. I mean, if you go to any fucking Target, Walmart, wherever,
Speaker 3: there's always some type of Marilyn esque thing that you
Speaker 3: can do by to hang up in your house. And
Speaker 3: it's like, would she be as famous as she is
Speaker 3: if this is if she wouldn't have died in this way,
Speaker 3: because you know, sometimes death can make you infamous. Like
Speaker 3: there were a lot of actresses that were just as
Speaker 3: big as Marylyn around the time that she was big,
Speaker 3: but they didn't get a horrible humiliation ritual death, and
Speaker 3: nobody knows about their names anymore, so is Marilyn. It's
Speaker 3: almost like I have to lean towards the spirituality aspect
Speaker 3: of this and say, is this another type of twenty
Speaker 3: seven club Faustian bargain? You want to be famous? Will
Speaker 3: make you famous, Everyone will know you for the rest
Speaker 3: of forever and throughout time and eternity. And maybe she
Speaker 3: didn't know what that meant when she signed up for that,
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I mean, I find there are
Speaker 3: so many layers to this and she could easily be
Speaker 3: one of those Faustian bargains that you know, she became
Speaker 3: famous in death because of her death.
Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to bring up the angle of pop art.
Speaker 1: So one of the most famous portraits of Maryland was
Speaker 1: done by the pop artist let me see here. Everybody
Speaker 1: knows his name, I forgot, but you've got the different
Speaker 1: panels showing the different colors on Marilyn's face that were,
Speaker 1: you know, originally photographs that they colored in, and it
Speaker 1: was seen as like something so iconic from that period
Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, this is like
Speaker 1: who all the women aspire to be and all the
Speaker 1: men aspire to be with. And there's something really sort
Speaker 1: of dangerous when you have that type of mainstreaming of
Speaker 1: a certain person as the face of all of that culture.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially when you've got you know, people like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift today sort of taking on that role of
Speaker 1: being like this you know, blonde pop icon and.
Speaker 3: Really Madonna too, the blonde wore herself right.
Speaker 1: The less details and information you get about these faces,
Speaker 1: you know, just faces with different colors on them, faces
Speaker 1: staring back at you, faces having some sort of value
Speaker 1: beyond what you see. Keeping them on the shallow end
Speaker 1: is one of the most important tasks for any handler
Speaker 1: or publicist for these people, because as soon as they
Speaker 1: start getting into deeper waters, that's when you start to
Speaker 1: see the problems start to emerge. Because we don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of consistency when it comes between our pop
Speaker 1: culture and our values and ideals. There's not a lot
Speaker 1: of crossover there. So I think for all of the
Speaker 1: Satanism that's coming out around these pop stars now, I
Speaker 1: think that's just sort of like a resurgence of keeping
Speaker 1: people on the surface, because really, who wants to hang
Speaker 1: out around Satanists. I've never really met anybody who wants
Speaker 1: to be close to people who openly profess their love
Speaker 1: for you know, evil, you.
Speaker 3: Know right well, and you know it's It's like, I
Speaker 3: think Marylyn is an archetype that they keep recreating through
Speaker 3: different people, And I think it's a it's a perpetual pattern.
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's Marylyn and then it's you know
Speaker 3: whoever else, and it's Madonna, then it's Britney, then it's Tailor,
Speaker 3: and it's and it's always like a Lady Gaga and
Speaker 3: it's like an archetype of this person, and you know,
Speaker 3: ritualistically speaking, and we could get into pop culture with
Speaker 3: this too. Elton John wrote a song about Marylyn Candle
Speaker 3: in the wind right. Everybody loves this song, but he
Speaker 3: changed the words and he performed it at Princess Diana's funeral,
Speaker 3: and she was also killed in August, very ritualistically, so
Speaker 3: we have another August connection and Elton John immortalizing both
Speaker 3: of them with the same song, just different lyrics.
Speaker 4: And when Elton John did that, I thought that was
Speaker 4: a nod to tell everyone that Marilyn was murdered.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and I think a program multiple as well.
Speaker 3: I think that he knew a bunch of shit that
Speaker 3: he wasn't really going to ever let up on and
Speaker 3: you know, to go along with the eights as well.
Speaker 3: She was murdered on eight for sixty two and then
Speaker 3: she was her funeral was eight eight sixty two, so
Speaker 3: they completed the ritual by burying her on eight eight eight.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like I said, Diana died in
Speaker 3: August two in the nineties. There's just you know, her
Speaker 3: fucking body went missing for ten hours the day of
Speaker 3: the funeral. Why why. I just you know, she lives.
Speaker 3: She lives in Laurel Canyon on Helena Drive. And there's
Speaker 3: just a lot of stuff with this that if you
Speaker 3: look at it from a conspiratorial angle, there's a ton
Speaker 3: of information you can gather. If you look at it
Speaker 3: just facts you'res from the forensic angle, there's a ton
Speaker 3: of information you can gather, and then you mix those
Speaker 3: two things together, and to me, this is one of
Speaker 3: the interesting, most interesting cases of all time that I
Speaker 3: feel like goes completely unnoticed because you watch a Netflix
Speaker 3: documentary and you think you fucking know everything about it.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's a coincidence that she ushered
Speaker 3: in the blood diamonds. You know, diamonds are a girl's
Speaker 3: best friend, or diamonds are forever whatever the fuck she
Speaker 3: said expert right, Well, I mean literally, they don't have.
Speaker 1: A diamonds in Israel, but there Israel's number one expert
Speaker 1: is the diamonds.
Speaker 3: Thanks to Marylyn, right right. But you know, there are
Speaker 3: so many things too that I don't even know if
Speaker 3: you guys want to get into. But there were there
Speaker 3: were conversations that were taped between Marylyn and her psychiatrists
Speaker 3: that later went missing, but they they were listened to
Speaker 3: by police officers who later kind of gave their opinion
Speaker 3: on them. And her psychiatrist sessions, she would talk about
Speaker 3: her relationships with the Kennedys, and she would also talk
Speaker 3: about how basically she thought she was too smart for
Speaker 3: anything to ever happen to her, that she was very
Speaker 3: much so looking forward to her future, that she thought
Speaker 3: she had everything going for her. She had a bunch
Speaker 3: of projects she was working on, and her psychiatrist wrote
Speaker 3: in the notes that it would be highly unlikely for
Speaker 3: someone in Maryland's mental state to commit suicide because she
Speaker 3: didn't have any of the red flags that would say
Speaker 3: this person is depressed and wants to commit suicide. It
Speaker 3: was the exact opposite. Actually, she was a very confident
Speaker 3: person and the only prescription that she was on was
Speaker 3: some sleeping pills that she was actually getting weaned off of.
Speaker 3: So for her to have out of nowhere had this
Speaker 3: type of an overdose with Like I said, the amount
Speaker 3: that was found in her bloodstream didn't even match the
Speaker 3: prescription that she had access to. It just you know,
Speaker 3: it's not You're not gonna sell it to me that
Speaker 3: this was a sedative drug overdose. You're not gonna you're
Speaker 3: not gonna sell it to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the mob angle is very important, especially
Speaker 1: considering how mob connected. All the movie studios were, all
Speaker 1: the recording industry, everything else out in LA at that
Speaker 1: time was basically controlled by the Mob. So it's generally
Speaker 1: been that way. Is that the entertainment industry is kind
Speaker 1: of like the slush fund for mobsters because they need
Speaker 1: to wash a lot of money, and a good way
Speaker 1: to do that is through the movie industry because they
Speaker 1: need a massive amount of funding. And whether the movie
Speaker 1: windsor loses, you're still going to wash that money in
Speaker 1: the in the public, you know, uh, viewing of these movies.
Speaker 1: So having that as sort of a basis for money
Speaker 1: laundering is very important when it comes to figure like
Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe and you know icons or you know, archetypes
Speaker 1: like her. Ever since, because we are still being influenced
Speaker 1: by the Mob, I think it's changed focus or changed
Speaker 1: form a lot, and now we're looking at the Mob
Speaker 1: being all these NGOs, you know, And if you think
Speaker 1: about it, the Mob's always sort of been an ngo.
Speaker 1: You've always got the dark side of the state that
Speaker 1: you know, engages in human trafficking, drug trafficking, and you
Speaker 1: know all the rest of that stuff. But the only
Speaker 1: way to control it is to be a part of it.
Speaker 1: And so every that has done that. And now we're
Speaker 1: seeing all these non governmental organizations smuggling people across the border.
Speaker 1: That's just the same old mob tactics. They're just figuring
Speaker 1: out different ways to launder money.
Speaker 3: All one hundred. And you know, I do think that
Speaker 3: they continue to do this type of shit with modern
Speaker 3: day celebrities. I don't think that it's changed at all.
Speaker 3: I think they might be a little bit more secretive
Speaker 3: about it. But I think a lot of like I
Speaker 3: said in the Program to Kill episodes, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of serial killers, celebrities, politicians. I think they're all
Speaker 3: actors and they're all playing multiple roles, and I think
Speaker 3: they're interchangeable even sometimes. And Marilyn's an actress, she's playing
Speaker 3: multiple roles. I think that, you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: the shit that we see, even with politicians, they're all
Speaker 3: fucking actors. And I think it starts with them as children,
Speaker 3: if they can get them that young. Because it's like
Speaker 3: I said, they found Marylyn in an orphanage and She's
Speaker 3: probably an SRA times ten. You know, Mom wasn't looking
Speaker 3: out for her, Dad was out of the picture, and
Speaker 3: they just they probably SRA this woman into oblivion and
Speaker 3: then they replaced her with the Marilyn Monroe. But I
Speaker 3: also think, if we're getting back to pop culture, Marilyn
Speaker 3: Manson said that he got his name, you know, as
Speaker 3: inspiration from Maryland. And look at this fucking guy and
Speaker 3: he's best friends with one of the what in my opinion,
Speaker 3: CIA serial killers, Damian Eccles, Okay WESTMINSS three type shit.
Speaker 3: He also said they're gonna blame me for Columbine. So
Speaker 3: I don't know pop culture wise, again, like I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: Maryland had a shitty fucking Nima death, but she is
Speaker 3: literally like an archetype now she's like a grand high
Speaker 3: priestess that gets worshiped in like many different ways. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys think about that, but
Speaker 3: that's just my opinion. Obviously.
Speaker 1: What better symbol for population control? You know, once you
Speaker 1: reach the top, it's time to take yourself out. You know,
Speaker 1: that whole idea of you know, escaping your problems through
Speaker 1: you know, the S word. I don't know we're on YouTube,
Speaker 1: so you got to be careful. But escaping your problems
Speaker 1: through that is, you know, oftentimes the best way for
Speaker 1: celebrities and all these politicians to to you know, clock
Speaker 1: out and having that as your symbol for success or
Speaker 1: your archetype of success. Especially for a lot of young
Speaker 1: impressionable girls who are playing with Barbie dolls that have
Speaker 1: her face on it, it's going to start to take
Speaker 1: a toll and you're going to see a lot of
Speaker 1: that impacting young people in that negative way. And what
Speaker 1: better example than Marilyn Manson who has always been kind
Speaker 1: of like this poster child of you know self self
Speaker 1: offering sort of capitalism. You know, he's playing off of
Speaker 1: the insecurities of these young kids. He's not giving them
Speaker 1: a vision of hope. He's not giving them a vision,
Speaker 1: a positive vision of the future. I mean, when when's
Speaker 1: the last time pop music has ever given a positive
Speaker 1: vision of the future. To look at pop music nowadays,
Speaker 1: and all of all of their descriptions of love sound
Speaker 1: more like a mental illness, you know, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: no shit, where's the where's the positivity anywhere? And they
Speaker 1: have all the bubblegum colors and stuff but they don't
Speaker 1: really have any of that positivity behind it, and it's
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to see that once you start
Speaker 1: to listen to it a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, especially like with Degaga Jesus Christ. She literally has
Speaker 3: a song called Judas and she says she's in love
Speaker 3: with Judas. I don't know why nobody brings that song
Speaker 3: up more often, she literally and then she did an
Speaker 3: interview with it and she's like, I'm struggling within myself,
Speaker 3: like my womininity, like I'm attracted to Judas. I find
Speaker 3: it sexual, and you know, it's just weirdness like that.
Speaker 3: And actually Anton Levey has a dedication in his Satanic
Speaker 3: Bible too, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield and uh, actress by
Speaker 3: the name of Tuesday Weld, which is somebody that I
Speaker 3: talk a lot about with Sean McCann because she's also
Speaker 3: a witch, a known witch and you know, admitted which. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So think about those three women that I just mentioned Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Tuesday's got some fucked up shit going on. She's not
Speaker 3: dead though, Jane Mansfield and Maryland look what the fuck
Speaker 3: they got And they're all mentioned in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible.
Speaker 3: So I mean, you know, I don't know. There's there's
Speaker 3: definitely something more at play than what meets the eye.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much my entire presentation. And you guys, can
Speaker 3: you know, ask any questions or anything like that. It's
Speaker 3: a lot of information to take in at once, I know.
Speaker 3: But if you leave this this podcast, if you're actually
Speaker 3: paying attention to it, and you listen to it from
Speaker 3: start to finish, and you still think Marylyn took a
Speaker 3: bunch of pills and killed herself, I don't know what
Speaker 3: the fuck to tell you. You should listen to Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan with the rest of the retards, because this is
Speaker 3: not the podcast for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so unfortunate because we sort of downplay facts
Speaker 1: that are inconvenient and we go along with the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the main pushes with
Speaker 1: pop icons like Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Monroe, because you're
Speaker 1: just not supposed to think right like these are people
Speaker 1: who they put in front of you and say, isn't
Speaker 1: this what you want? Don't think about it, you know,
Speaker 1: and you get those every generation. You get the boy
Speaker 1: bands and the pop princesses. Here's what we're offering this
Speaker 1: is what you want, and you're not supposed to think.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to apply your own values to it.
Speaker 1: You're just supposed to see and want, you know. And
Speaker 1: that goes back into the whole Barbie scenario too. You
Speaker 1: did a couple of shows on Barbie that were really
Speaker 1: good talking about how this is like the introduction of
Speaker 1: a prostitute icon into American culture. That's just sort of
Speaker 1: just skindy. You're not supposed to think about it. It's
Speaker 1: just supposed to be right there, and that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be who you want to be.
Speaker 3: You know, not right because with the Barbie think about
Speaker 3: what little girls had before Barbie's. They had babies, and
Speaker 3: you it was a symbol of motherhood and where you
Speaker 3: were headed in life. Because when you're a little girl,
Speaker 3: you have a baby and you put in a fucking
Speaker 3: stroller and you feed it fucking carrots or whatever you do.
Speaker 3: You change it's stiper, and that's what you do with
Speaker 3: the onesie on it. I had lots of babies when
Speaker 3: I was a little girl, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: it was like Barbie dolls that had tits and ass
Speaker 3: and you put little mini skirts on them, and they
Speaker 3: have boyfriends and then you act out weird sexual scenes
Speaker 3: with your friends and your barbies. I know the fuck
Speaker 3: I did. I'd be like, Oh, this one's my boyfriend,
Speaker 3: and you know, you're you know, you're gonna stay home
Speaker 3: and watch the kids, and me and my boyfriend are
Speaker 3: going to go out and we're gonna go party. And
Speaker 3: that's what Barbie was. It was like a party girl
Speaker 3: skirts And this was the introduction. And one of the
Speaker 3: first Barbies that they modeled off of was a prostitute doll.
Speaker 3: Anybody can google this. It was base And all they
Speaker 3: did to make this a Barbie and not a prostitute
Speaker 3: doll was they removed the nipples and the puss slips
Speaker 3: off of this doll. It was literally the same doll.
Speaker 3: This literally, somebody fucking google it. It was called something
Speaker 3: or other. It was a prostitute doll that you could
Speaker 3: get in like sex shops, and it had red hair
Speaker 3: and it had like a little short dress on. And
Speaker 3: all they did when they made it a Barbie doll
Speaker 3: was take the puss and the nips off of it
Speaker 3: and they sold it to children and parents. At first
Speaker 3: when they saw this doll were like, what the fuck
Speaker 3: are you doing? And they pushed it so hard to
Speaker 3: go ahead, Lily, build Lily.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a German risque gag gift for men
Speaker 4: that was based on a cartoon character from the West
Speaker 4: German newspaper build un noun.
Speaker 5: I don't speak German, sorry that one.
Speaker 3: See look at that? People think I make this ship up.
Speaker 3: It was literally a fucking sex doll that they took
Speaker 3: the nips off of and made into a child's toy. Uh,
Speaker 3: so they get rid of the babies. Why would you
Speaker 3: want to do that? Motherhood is gross. Here's a sex
Speaker 3: doll for you to dress up and act out weird
Speaker 3: sexual scenes with. And uh, they obviously make a Maryland one,
Speaker 3: or at least they pay homage to Maryland with Barbie.
Speaker 3: And uh, every.
Speaker 1: New generation they've got another Maryland doll that they're selling
Speaker 1: to because you know, these are.
Speaker 3: What are they the collectors Barbies.
Speaker 1: Collector's edition, you know, four hundred dollars Maryland Barbie doll
Speaker 1: every ten years.
Speaker 3: And what about fucking the high Witch herself, Kim k
Speaker 3: She shows up to one of the awards shows in
Speaker 3: one of Maryland's dress, the dress actually the nude see
Speaker 3: through dress. They say that she didn't have to alter
Speaker 3: it at all, that she just fit right into it. Dude,
Speaker 3: bet her ass busted through that dress the second she
Speaker 3: put it on. There was definitely alterations that were made
Speaker 3: to get her into that dress. You're not telling me
Speaker 3: Kim k just stepped into Maryland's dress and was able
Speaker 3: to wear it.
Speaker 4: No fucking way, dude.
Speaker 3: I do think it was significant that she wore it, though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: It seems like to me, the younger the girl is,
Speaker 1: the more she treats the barbie doll like a baby doll.
Speaker 1: And then when she gets older, the barbie doll takes
Speaker 1: on a whole different personality and it starts to reflect
Speaker 1: what the barbiedell is meant to be reflecting. But you've
Speaker 1: got that sort of stage of development in between where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, these little, tiny girls want to treat
Speaker 1: this doll like it's a baby. But then once they
Speaker 1: get older, it's like, well, I've already established this relationship,
Speaker 1: but now it has to change because you know, little
Speaker 1: girls are changing too, and it's like skipping all the
Speaker 1: steps that you know young people should be going through
Speaker 1: and just right here, here's your prostitute. You're a prostitute now,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: I said that too. I was like, it's just as
Speaker 3: weird to me how it went from from babies to Barbie's.
Speaker 3: And I think Marylyn definitely put she was. They always
Speaker 3: said how Marilyn was curvy. I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people talk about how Marylyn was curvy. The woman was
Speaker 3: a size six. And on my best day, I have
Speaker 3: not worn a size six. Maybe in high school. Maybe
Speaker 3: if we go back to fucking junior year, I could
Speaker 3: wear a size six. But tell me and what universe
Speaker 3: a size six is considered to be curvy because they
Speaker 3: use it now. It's like the fat movement thing, fat
Speaker 3: positive thing like. And don't get me wrong, I'm not
Speaker 3: a fat shamer. I don't fucking care what size you are,
Speaker 3: but I'm not on board with pushing the fat narrative
Speaker 3: onto people. I think, and the ozimpic thing is just
Speaker 3: as bad. But Maryland and curvy, she just wasn't anarexic
Speaker 3: like the rest of the women that were famous back then.
Speaker 3: They were zeros and she was a six. Does it
Speaker 3: make her curvy though she was still healthy?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I mean even that's it seems like they use that
Speaker 1: as like a foot in the door, you know, because
Speaker 1: even the rest of the girls back then that were,
Speaker 1: you know, on par or maybe a little bit below Maryland,
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily anorexic, that whole anorexic Sheit came in
Speaker 1: like in the late seventies, early eighties, and it just
Speaker 1: sort of stuck around as sort of like this. But
Speaker 1: we're the vision we're given of ourselves is always this
Speaker 1: fun house mirror that doesn't reflect anything about where we
Speaker 1: should be going, or what we should be doing, or
Speaker 1: what we'd like to be in our own lives. It
Speaker 1: always has to do with these sort of bizarre visions
Speaker 1: of ourselves given to us by these people who live
Speaker 1: on either side of the coasts, that have no relationship
Speaker 1: to the lives that we really want to be living,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, let's get away from that and
Speaker 1: find our own values. One of the problems is all
Speaker 1: of these images we get, our mirror neurons in our
Speaker 1: brain start to identify that with ourselves, and instead of
Speaker 1: having a really good picture of what we want to
Speaker 1: do with our lives and where we want to go,
Speaker 1: we end up mirroring the outside forces that shape culture
Speaker 1: and they really are outside forces. I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: really identifies with the CIA except for a very very
Speaker 1: small group of people in Langley. You know, their entire
Speaker 1: lives is the CIA, and they're the ones who are
Speaker 1: shaping culture. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's why they use Marylyn as an
Speaker 3: archetype to push like you should look like this, you
Speaker 3: should be like this. You should. But I mean, if
Speaker 3: if it were up to me, I would wear soft
Speaker 3: pants every fucking day. Actually I got soft pants on
Speaker 3: right now. I live in soft pants. I don't want
Speaker 3: to wear this ship. I don't want to look like Maryland.
Speaker 3: I don't want to end up like Maryland. So fuck that.
Speaker 3: But thank you guys for having me though. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, this is a cool episode to kind of
Speaker 3: break into some people's reality chamber on you know, maybe
Speaker 3: stuff isn't always exactly as it seems, even though you've
Speaker 3: watched a Netflix documentary and you think you fuckuld know everything,
Speaker 3: Maybe just maybe you don't. But thanks again for for
Speaker 3: having me on, guys.
Speaker 2: Of course, no, thank you, thank you. Yeah that was
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 5: That was so pott.
Speaker 2: It was anything you wanted.
Speaker 3: Who me?
Speaker 4: No, just I mean I'm glad that you brought up
Speaker 4: all of these points to ponder these points of contention.
Speaker 5: I mean, because they.
Speaker 4: Are big gaping holes into the official narrative that has
Speaker 4: existed for so long. And again, so many things about
Speaker 4: Marilyn is completely opposite of what the narrative has been pushed.
Speaker 5: And if, like you said, if you just took the
Speaker 5: time to look up stuff, it's there.
Speaker 4: It's all there, and yet no one has, I guess,
Speaker 4: been bothered to question it or to even be bothered
Speaker 4: to look for it. I'm very grateful that you are,
Speaker 4: you know, bringing these these topics to light.
Speaker 5: So thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate, and I would say if anyone is interested,
Speaker 3: I know that we live in a generation that doesn't
Speaker 3: read books, but if you're interested, the book that I
Speaker 3: read where I got a lot of this information from,
Speaker 3: is called Dead Wrong. It's actually written by a comedian,
Speaker 3: and like most comedians like Sam Tripley, even there conspiracy
Speaker 3: theorists at heart, even Tom Segura I think is secretly
Speaker 3: a conspiracy theorist. But the book, again is called Dead Wrong.
Speaker 3: The author is Richard Pelzer, and he talks about Marilyn
Speaker 3: Linda B. Johnson JFK Martin Luther King Junior. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just a plethora of awesome conspiracy stuff and he
Speaker 3: goes based on forensics only. So if you're interested in that,
Speaker 3: you can check out that book. But again, thanks so
Speaker 3: much for having me, guys.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I was just thinking as you were saying
Speaker 1: that maybe you could have a merch line where you
Speaker 1: take all the inconvenient facts about Marilyn Manson or Marilyn
Speaker 1: Monroe's death and you list them, like on the sides
Speaker 1: of her portrait. You know, no pills were found in
Speaker 1: her stomach, all the rest of these things. You know,
Speaker 1: the window was broken from the outside or from the
Speaker 1: inside out, all of these things, and you put that
Speaker 1: on the shirt with Marilyn Monroe's face on it. So
Speaker 1: you're taking advantage of the fact that she is a
Speaker 1: you know, archetype and show and all the people, Hey, look,
Speaker 1: these are inconvenient facts. You need to take that alongside
Speaker 1: of this image that you get from the rest of
Speaker 1: the media.
Speaker 3: That would actually be a good idea. I did in
Speaker 3: my merch store, which I never plug, but I made
Speaker 3: a Marilyn hoodie and it had Marilyn with a magnifying
Speaker 3: glass and a monarch butterfly over her head, and I
Speaker 3: try to come up with shit that's like. If you
Speaker 3: saw it, you'd be like, what's that about? And I'd
Speaker 3: be like, Wow, let me fucking tell you what that's about.
Speaker 3: But no, Yeah, that's a good idea. I like that.
Speaker 3: I'll put it on the back of the hoodie no
Speaker 3: pills cyanosis.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: So full an asshole.
Speaker 1: I just want to plug one more time. If you
Speaker 1: guys have any esoteric stories, or you have anything that
Speaker 1: has happened to you weird or bizarre magical experiences too,
Speaker 1: you can email me at the Headless Giant Podcast at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com and we'll read those stories on the air.
Speaker 1: So thank you for having me. Thank you for coming Julia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for coming on. And Juliet, thank you
Speaker 2: again very much for coming on. Can you please plug
Speaker 2: all your stuff so everybody can find me you have
Speaker 2: your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. Patreon
Speaker 3: for bonus episodes and early access to all the shows
Speaker 3: that I put out, and you can just look for
Speaker 3: Cosmic Peach and you'll you'll find me somewhere awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 2: chat for showing up and adding to the comments. That
Speaker 2: was awesome. It was fun, some good stuff in there.
Speaker 2: That's why I go live. And that is the end
Speaker 2: of another Recult Rejects and until the next one, everybody
Speaker 2: be well later