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<v Speaker 1>We have statements. We have statements flying around. Tim Buckley,

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<v Speaker 1>the NCAA Senior vice president for External Affairs, just to

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<v Speaker 1>release the statement for the nc DOUBLEA basically saying there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing we can do. The collective at UNLV has released

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<v Speaker 1>a statement as well regarding the decision by Matthew Sluca

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<v Speaker 1>to well essentially leave the program.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna utilize his red shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to these statements, but our next guests, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a little sip here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do a little paper pop.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not have immunity, but we welcome him in

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<v Speaker 1>the great Josh Pate from Josh Pate's College Football Show,

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<v Speaker 1>Back on the Drive, Josh, Happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, how we doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm doing good. I thought we were gonna

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<v Speaker 3>wake up this morning. I thought I was gonna come

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<v Speaker 3>on the show a little bit later today, and I thought, man,

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<v Speaker 3>we got a big week of college football coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>And then loga, hold, we get the old UNLV bomb

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<v Speaker 3>dropping our lap, and now we're talking about everything but football.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying us, but in general, that's been the talk.

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<v Speaker 1>All day, and certainly I want to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>games more than anything else. But I do view this, Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>to be a pretty big deal because it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Never happened before.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've been talking about it all day, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about this for years. I'm sure you have

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<v Speaker 1>been too, about a product that is so incredible. Despite

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<v Speaker 1>the inability of leadership to direct the product appropriately, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still consumed at an incredibly high level where it's the

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<v Speaker 1>second most popular sport in America, only to Pro football.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is the Josh Payton take on Matthew Sluka

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<v Speaker 1>leaving UNLV three and zero start Vegas favorite as the

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<v Speaker 1>G five team to make the CFP.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your take on the decision that came down today?

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<v Speaker 3>There's probably blame to go on both sides on the

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<v Speaker 3>immediate front, but larger it's so appropriate. The NCAA steps

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<v Speaker 3>up and says, yeah, nothing we can do. In totality,

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<v Speaker 3>this is absolutely on them. It's always been on them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just been year after year after year, a chronic indecision,

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<v Speaker 3>lack of a spine. No one's stepping up in a

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<v Speaker 3>leadership position, and so then you get to I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I had an NIO. I had a guy who runs

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<v Speaker 3>an NIL operation for a major program reach out today

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<v Speaker 3>and say, hey, all this is probably true, but just

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<v Speaker 3>an fyi. Our legal counsel came to us last year

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<v Speaker 3>and said, we do not advise you to enter into

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<v Speaker 3>any contractual agreements with players, just let it be verbals,

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<v Speaker 3>not to mislead them, but because we don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what's legal and what's not, so we're not even totally

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<v Speaker 3>sure how to advise you. He said, We've got similar

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<v Speaker 3>agreements with guys right now. We've got coaches that promised stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>We've got we try and track it, but we don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know. Everyone's flying by the seat of their fans.

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<v Speaker 3>Rules are never the same over a twelve month period,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's the result of people not taking action years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you kick the count can down the

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<v Speaker 1>road long enough and you procrastinate long enough, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>tidal wave and you're not prepared for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And man, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sport that we all love, it's a sport

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<v Speaker 1>that we all consume, but the lack of leadership and

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<v Speaker 1>oversight for years has been just ridiculous. But let's been

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of our conversation talking about actual college football

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<v Speaker 1>and let's start out in our footprint, Josh, where we

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<v Speaker 1>have both Utah and Surprise Surprise BYU at four and

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<v Speaker 1>oh and one and zer on conference play, we'll start

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<v Speaker 1>with the Utes. They go to Stillwater, no Cameron Rising,

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<v Speaker 1>they get it done. Okay, State comes back a bit

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. It was never really that close. Number

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<v Speaker 1>ten team in the country, Josh. What do you make

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<v Speaker 1>of the Utah uta right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was a game where I saw the final

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<v Speaker 3>before I was able to watch the replay of the

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<v Speaker 3>game because I was at the Oklahoma Tennessee game. So

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<v Speaker 3>I see the final and I think, oh, wow, dogfight man.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for Utah. I go back and watch it and

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<v Speaker 3>I realize, oh, that's the real story on this game.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a big indicator. Man, win it without Cam Rising too,

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<v Speaker 3>is a big indicator of basically what Kyle Winningham said saying,

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<v Speaker 3>of course we won our starting quarterback. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>reading between the lines, we're not a quarterback centric team.

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<v Speaker 3>We are a program that is best when it has

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<v Speaker 3>can't get the job done without him. And you can

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<v Speaker 3>say that a lot of programs say that or less

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<v Speaker 3>of them can actually put it in practice, and they

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<v Speaker 3>did so. Now I'm interested because I mean that was

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<v Speaker 3>test one in the Big Twelve. And now I'm really

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<v Speaker 3>interested to see you because it may very well be

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<v Speaker 3>that we just see separation between Utah and the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of the field. I still think it's too early to

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<v Speaker 3>say that, but it was a It's not a game

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<v Speaker 3>that stood out on the national radar, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>in many ways it was a statement win because they

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<v Speaker 1>It sure, and also Mike Counny doesn't lose in Stowwater,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he just does not lose there very much.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it was a really good win for

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<v Speaker 1>a team right now that is still in a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>ambiguous space about who will be under center coming up

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>My question for you, Josh is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I still believe for you Todd to win

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Twelve, the Cameron Rising has to be under

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<v Speaker 1>center for most of the year. But I also think

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen enough from Isaac and the defense. Look, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a classic coach with a team. It's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way Kyle's built this thing where it's about the you

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<v Speaker 1>and the helmet, not the name.

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<v Speaker 2>On the back of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey, and they find ways to win games even if

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like they're going to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>base off the talent or skill set. But if Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>Rising is compromised and unable to play very much this year,

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<v Speaker 1>do you still think Utah can win the Big Twelve?

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<v Speaker 3>Can? Yeah? Wouldn't be my pick, but can. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely can. I agree with you. Your take is basically

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<v Speaker 3>my tape in the interim. They can get by. They

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<v Speaker 3>obviously just prove that. I think they need him long

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<v Speaker 3>term to fulfill, you know, on their potential. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not about to sit here having watched what I just

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<v Speaker 3>watched them do, and having known the profile of that

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<v Speaker 3>here and say they can't do anything. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>they were playing in the SEC, I may be more defenditive,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's a conference that it's winnable for Utah just

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<v Speaker 3>less than your percentage chances. But that's common sense. Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>knows that, So yeah, they can absolutely still do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Any I don't really have a lot of anxiety for

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<v Speaker 1>Utah coming up on Saturday night with Arizona in town.

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<v Speaker 2>K State didn't just beat them, they bullied them.

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<v Speaker 1>Case State played Arizona the way that Utah will play Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go off the premise that Isaac Wilson

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<v Speaker 1>went through this crazy charade a year ago every single week,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm just kind of landing on Isaac until I

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<v Speaker 1>see Cameron, which I believe means they're going to just

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<v Speaker 1>run it down Arizona's throat. Arizona great quarterback wide receiver duo,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best in the country, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they have the dogs in the trenches to

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with Utah. What do you think of Utah

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<v Speaker 1>Arizona coming up on Saturday night here in Salt Lake?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd agree with you. I do an upset pool with

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<v Speaker 3>one of the stations I do a weekly hit on,

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<v Speaker 3>and you always want to get the dog that's big enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but also the one that you think got a shot,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think some people are going to be tempted

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<v Speaker 3>into looking at Arizona there. I think it's terrible matchup,

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<v Speaker 3>And like you, I don't have to go too far

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<v Speaker 3>back in the memory bank to remember what Handas State

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<v Speaker 3>did to them, And so yeah, it wouldn't crazy things

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<v Speaker 3>have happened. It would very much surprise me in lieu

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<v Speaker 3>of like three turnovers or something like that. It would

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<v Speaker 3>surprise me if that things really nip and touch in

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<v Speaker 3>the Foyt supporter.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's move over to BYU, who welcomed in

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<v Speaker 1>k State to Provo and just curb stomped him. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the biggest margin of victory for a BYU football

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<v Speaker 1>team in the history of that program over a top

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen team. So Josh, for me, it was a combination

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<v Speaker 1>and just kind of a confluence of a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>different factors, and a lot of it was good fortune.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of it was prepared, pared, skill, and they

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<v Speaker 1>called the kill shots in the red zone when they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to to score touchdowns. And that defense is ten

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<v Speaker 1>times better than it was a year ago year two

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<v Speaker 1>under j hell Hill. Obviously, Colonnie cut his teeth under

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<v Speaker 1>But my question for you is, you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of folks around here excited. You know, do we have

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<v Speaker 1>two big twelve contenders in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not there yet with BYU. We'll see what they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They're at Baylor this week ten am Mountain Time kick.

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<v Speaker 1>What is Josh Pate willing to say on this Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>about BYU's four and oh start?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first off, I have profited off of it. I

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<v Speaker 3>will tell you that I've ridden them every single week.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you have to when you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a conference title contender, you have to scrutinize the statement

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit more than if we're just trying to

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<v Speaker 3>talk a team into Bowl eligibility. So if we're just

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<v Speaker 3>trying to talk about getting six good wins, Brigham youngslip

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<v Speaker 3>that point, okay, If we're trying to talk about them

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<v Speaker 3>in more lofty conversation, that's when you run the fine

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<v Speaker 3>tooth comb through them. So what I'm about to say

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<v Speaker 3>is not exclusionary. What I'm about to say is more conditional.

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<v Speaker 3>When you go back, for example, on the Kansas State game,

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<v Speaker 3>it is very rare that you beat someone by four

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<v Speaker 3>scores and they outgain you by one hundred yards. But

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<v Speaker 3>it was just the way the game played out. So

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<v Speaker 3>that means nothing more than what I just said. It

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<v Speaker 3>counts as a win, it's a conference win. If we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about future predictability, a lot of times what you

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<v Speaker 3>learn is those kind of results you throw them out,

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<v Speaker 3>not because they don't count, you throw them out as

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<v Speaker 3>it relates to trying to figure out what you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do down the road. That is why, For example, in

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<v Speaker 3>odds Making World, Brigham Young is a three and a

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<v Speaker 3>half point dog at Baylor this weekend. That would otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>make no sense. Kansas State wouldn't be a dog against Baylor.

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<v Speaker 3>But yet Brigham Young is why is that? Well, that's

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<v Speaker 3>an odds Maker world telling you. We saw the results,

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<v Speaker 3>we just don't necessarily think it bakes them very well

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<v Speaker 3>in a predictive model. So all that means, all that

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<v Speaker 3>jargon means is Brigham Young just has to keep proving

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<v Speaker 3>people wrong. I haven't bought into him as a Big

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<v Speaker 3>twelve title contender yet. Okay, but I've been wrong before.

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<v Speaker 3>So all that means is you just go keep proving

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, well said, well said, all right, one more

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<v Speaker 1>Big twelve question? Then, of course, there are some massive

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<v Speaker 1>little Georgia Bama. How many teams, Josh, it's you know

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<v Speaker 1>how many teams do.

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<v Speaker 2>You really think legitimately can win the Big Twelve?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, buddy, half a dozen or more. If you just

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<v Speaker 3>started rattling them all, there aren't There still aren't a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of no's. Ironically, I'm gonna tell you this now,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got serious doubts about Oklahoma State. Mathematically they're still

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<v Speaker 2>Souse.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything I thought would be a strinth about that team

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<v Speaker 3>is not. Utah's obviously there, Kansas State's still there. My

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<v Speaker 3>Iowa State Cyclones are in there. Iowa faced one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most interesting teams to me because they've got good pieces,

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<v Speaker 3>So Kansas out of it, I think, not mathematically, but realistically,

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<v Speaker 3>So we shortened the list a little bit, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>All right, moving off the Big twelve, let's talk some

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<v Speaker 1>big picture.

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<v Speaker 2>College football here. Last year it was tough.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept hearing a lot of really smart football people

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<v Speaker 1>the best team in the country, but the first month

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<v Speaker 1>of the season they just beat up on dog teams,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was hard to really cooperate that statement.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we dealing with the same situation.

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<v Speaker 1>With the Buckeyes with Ohio State who a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people think potentially the best team in the country, but

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't over the first month have a great

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<v Speaker 1>matchup test. Is that kind of a similar thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with Michigan a year ago Ohio State this year?

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<v Speaker 3>It could be. Yeah. I try and figure out as

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<v Speaker 3>much as I can about a team in the preseason,

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<v Speaker 3>and if I think you're good, you're gonna get benefit

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<v Speaker 3>of the doubt with me until you play quality competition.

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<v Speaker 3>Same way, if I don't think you're good, you go

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<v Speaker 3>beat a bunch of teams. You haven't proven anything to

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<v Speaker 3>me until you beat quality competition. So is that bias?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair? I don't know. It doesn't matter, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm there with Ohio State right now. I've watched them some.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's a really good defense. It may be

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<v Speaker 3>one of, if not the best defenses in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people are painting it to be this impenetrable

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<v Speaker 3>force and not quite that. Just a bunch of really

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<v Speaker 3>good players, so someone will score on them eventually. I

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<v Speaker 3>also don't know that the verticality is there in their

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<v Speaker 3>past game with Will Howard, which is not a shot

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<v Speaker 3>because it wasn't there when he was at Kansas State.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're I mean, they're gonna have flaws, just like

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<v Speaker 3>any other team does. They're a really good team. I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't necessarily changed my opinion defaulting off what I thought

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<v Speaker 3>about in preseason. But if someone does think that, I

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<v Speaker 3>could understand why.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you were at Memorial in Norman, Oklahoma, and

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like most everybody now is on this Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>hype train. I've heard a few people, maybe hot take artists,

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<v Speaker 2>You've seen it up close. What's what are you the

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<v Speaker 2>same question?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you willing Josh to see today about Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>after seeing them up close?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they're in that conversation. I mean, I'm gonna obviously

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<v Speaker 3>stop well short of saying they're my pick, but they

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<v Speaker 3>are in the conversation. They have not been there before.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first time they will have been there.

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<v Speaker 3>Big difference in this team in the twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>team is obviously defensively they're a different level, but I

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<v Speaker 3>just want to point out to people athletically they're a

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<v Speaker 3>different caliber. They had the number one scoring offense in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two. They had to win against Bama. Everyone

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<v Speaker 3>forgets they went down to Georgia a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 3>later as the number one team in the country and

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<v Speaker 3>they were not competitive physically. So they are this year.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's ironic because they get Bama and neland again

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<v Speaker 3>this year, and they go to Athens to face Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>again this year. That trip to Georgia is the one

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<v Speaker 3>I have circled. That's the one I am most intrigued by,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think the athletic and physical profile and death

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<v Speaker 3>profile of that team matches Georgia a whole lot more

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<v Speaker 3>readily than it did two years ago. I have seen

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<v Speaker 3>Texas in person. I'll see Bama Georgia this weekend. I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen Tennessee. The Tennessee's not really taken a back seat

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<v Speaker 3>to those teams. They may they may not wuite be

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<v Speaker 3>you know, shot for shot recruiting wise, what Georgia and

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<v Speaker 3>Alabama have been, but they are They are not miles

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<v Speaker 3>away at all, and they can absolutely compete with them,

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<v Speaker 3>and it would not shot me at all to see

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<v Speaker 3>them in that final four national title game kind of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, as you reference, you'll be in Tuscaloosa first

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<v Speaker 1>time since O seven. Dama is an underdog at home.

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<v Speaker 1>George's a two point favorite. The eyes of the college

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<v Speaker 1>football world are gonna be on this game. Man, It's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be massive five thirty times. So what's the take?

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<v Speaker 1>How does this play out and kind of set the scene?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think it's going to be like down

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be one of the best environments of

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<v Speaker 3>the year. Keep keep I got I got a buddy

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<v Speaker 3>who's more a pro football fan, have gotten into college football,

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<v Speaker 3>and I try and tell people like that this setting,

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of game is bigger in its scale than

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<v Speaker 3>the college football playoff games and national title games, which

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<v Speaker 3>is not the way it is in the NFL. You

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<v Speaker 3>won't mind a better environment than this kind of game

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<v Speaker 3>in the regular season. I don't care what the playoff

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<v Speaker 3>or national title game does for you. I am really

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<v Speaker 3>interested to see what Bama can do running the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they'll have a fair amount of success running

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<v Speaker 3>against Georgia. Georgia is getting some guys back in their

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<v Speaker 3>defensive front, but even getting those guys back, they are

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<v Speaker 3>not that vintage elite run stopping unit. They're just pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good by Georgia's standards, which is still great by normal standards,

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<v Speaker 3>but you ad the Jalen Milroe mobility effect in there

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<v Speaker 3>business on the ground. They've got one of the best

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<v Speaker 3>young receivers in the country and Ryan Williams scores virtually

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<v Speaker 3>every time he touches the ball. But I want to

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<v Speaker 3>know where does the explosivity come from in Georgia's offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you haven't seen it so far this year, that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean it's not there. It's a big, big point

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<v Speaker 3>to make. It's week four, it's week five, it's weak six.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that point in the season, every single year you

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<v Speaker 3>see some guys start to pop. Didn't necessarily show up

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<v Speaker 3>right out of the gate. And I don't know who

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be, maybe for either one of these teams,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think someone or a couple of someone step

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<v Speaker 3>up in this game that aren't on the marquee pregame

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<v Speaker 3>that end up deciding it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Josh, before I say you loose, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to revisit a conversation we had maybe two months ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I asked you, as your star rises, you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be able to go around to all these places,

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of great robbery games. And I asked

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<v Speaker 1>the Holy War that takes place out here. And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about if things fall into place, could we see

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<v Speaker 1>a Josh Pate siding here in Salt Lake City on

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<v Speaker 1>November the ninth. So I'm going to hold your feet

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<v Speaker 1>to the fire and say that if over the next

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks, because they both are gonna have a buye

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<v Speaker 1>as well, both Utah and BYU intern November the ninth

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<v Speaker 1>at A and O and Utah will they're already a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten team. If they win their next four games,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be top six or seven BYUS creeping up

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<v Speaker 1>towards that top ten.

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<v Speaker 2>If they handle their business.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get a at least a loose option of

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<v Speaker 1>considering the Josh Paiate show rolling into Salt Lake for

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<v Speaker 1>Utah BYU November the ninth, if both teams are undefeated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I'm ready to commit verbally that that is

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<v Speaker 3>on the radar I'm looking for right now. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>on the radar.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I need this in writing based off

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<v Speaker 1>the news that happened in UNLB today. Oh man, All good, buddy, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the time. Keep up the great working with Chatzoom.

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<v Speaker 3>Appreciate it, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, the great Josh Pate.

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<v Speaker 1>Get him on Twitter at Josh Pate CFB, host of

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<v Speaker 1>the Josh pay College Football Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I always appreciate his time on this Wednesday