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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in. But those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit that follow or subscribe button, turn on auto downloads,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's head off into the woods if you dare.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing you ought to know about Kansas is

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<v Speaker 1>that it isn't solid. People look at that state and

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<v Speaker 1>they see flat. They see wheat and wind and a

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<v Speaker 1>horizon you could lay a level against, and they figure

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing under it but more of the same dirt

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down, dependable as a church floor. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the picture in their heads when they drive across it

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<v Speaker 1>on the interstate at eighty miles an hour with the

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<v Speaker 1>crew set and the radio low, a flat and empty

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<v Speaker 1>and finished place. They can't get through fast enough. They're

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<v Speaker 1>wrong about the empty, and they're wrong about the solid.

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<v Speaker 1>Under a lot of central Kansas, there's salt, a bed

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<v Speaker 1>of it, ancient, laid down when a shallow Permian sea

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<v Speaker 1>sat over the middle of the continent and dried up

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<v Speaker 1>and came back and dried up again, leaving rock salt

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of feet thick in places. Geologists call the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>of those layers, the Hutchinson Salt. It's been down there

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of a billion years, give or take, minding

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<v Speaker 1>its own business in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Salt dissolves.

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<v Speaker 1>Water moves through the rock slow as patience, and it

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<v Speaker 1>finds the salt, and it carries the salt away grain

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<v Speaker 1>by grain, and it leaves a hollow behind a room,

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<v Speaker 1>a space where solid rock used to be, and now

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing but water and the weight of everything sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on top. And one day the weight wins, the roof

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<v Speaker 1>comes down, and it doesn't always come down slow. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the ground over one of those dissolved rooms just lets

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<v Speaker 1>go all at once, and a circle of pasture or

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<v Speaker 1>wheat or county road drops into a hole that was

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<v Speaker 1>waiting underneath the whole time. You could be standing on

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<v Speaker 1>it right now and not know. The farmer who plowed

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<v Speaker 1>that field for forty years didn't know. That's the country

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<v Speaker 1>we're driving through today. And it's a strange stage to

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<v Speaker 1>set a monster on, because the monster in this story

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<v Speaker 1>is almost beside the point. The real horror here isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a thing with a face, it's the floor. Here's a date,

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<v Speaker 1>because a date makes a thing real, and this one

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<v Speaker 1>is real. March of eighteen seventy nine, Mead County, Southwest Kansas,

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<v Speaker 1>a mile and a half southeast of the little town

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<v Speaker 1>of Mead, on the east side of Crooked Creek. Sometime

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<v Speaker 1>between the third of the month and the eighteenth, a

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<v Speaker 1>circular piece of ground one hundred and fifty to two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet across simply dropped out of the world. Where

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<v Speaker 1>there'd been prairie, There was now a pit filling with water.

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<v Speaker 1>They call it the Mead Salt Sink, and it sits

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<v Speaker 1>right alongside a fault line that runs through the country there,

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<v Speaker 1>the Crooked Creek Fault, and the geologists who studied it

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<v Speaker 1>figured that water had crept down along that fracture century

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<v Speaker 1>after century and eaten the salt below until the ceiling failed.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody saw it fall, And that's the part that gets

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<v Speaker 1>me a piece of Kansas. The size of a town

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<v Speaker 1>square disappeared into the earth, and the only witnesses were

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<v Speaker 1>the cattle and the wind. And by the time a

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<v Speaker 1>man rode out to look, the job was already finished

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<v Speaker 1>and the water was already rising. Go a little west

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<v Speaker 1>and a little further back in folks memory, and you

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<v Speaker 1>come to a place in Clark County they named Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Jacob's Well. It's a round pool sitting at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of a much bigger sink called Big Basin. And Big

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<v Speaker 1>Basin is a mile across Rim to Rim, a bowl

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<v Speaker 1>pressed into the high plains by the same slow chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>salt and gypsum going to liquid somewhere far below. The

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<v Speaker 1>well itself never goes dry. The country around it can

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<v Speaker 1>crack from drought, the creeks can quit, the cattle can

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<v Speaker 1>stand around panting with their tongues out, and that pool

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<v Speaker 1>just sits there, full and dark and fed from somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see. The old story the cowboys told was

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<v Speaker 1>that it had no bottom. That they tied their ropes

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<v Speaker 1>together and lowered them, and never once touched anything down there.

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<v Speaker 1>They were wrong about the no bottom. It does have one,

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand why a man on horseback in eighteen something,

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<v Speaker 1>looking down into water that stayed full while his whole

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<v Speaker 1>world dried to powder, would decide the hole went clear

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<v Speaker 1>through to somewhere else. Aren't even the big ones. Down

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<v Speaker 1>in Clark County, there's a feature the geologists call the

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<v Speaker 1>Ashland Inglewood Basin, and it's the largest of its kind

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<v Speaker 1>in the state, a vast, shallow bowl pressed into the

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<v Speaker 1>high plains, as much as twelve miles across and five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred feet below the level of the country around it.

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<v Speaker 1>Twelve miles is wide enough that you can't see the

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<v Speaker 1>far rim from the near one, wide enough that a

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<v Speaker 1>man standing in the bottom of it might never know

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<v Speaker 1>he was standing in a hole at all. Might take

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<v Speaker 1>the rising ground on every horizon for ordinary hills. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the salt does at full scale. It doesn't always

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<v Speaker 1>make a neat round pit you can fence off and

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<v Speaker 1>warn the children away from. Sometimes it eats a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of country the size of a township and leaves the

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<v Speaker 1>survivors farming the floor of it, calling it home, never

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<v Speaker 1>once looking up to wonder why all the land leans

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<v Speaker 1>toward the middle. And it kept happening all over that

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<v Speaker 1>part of the state, right up into living memory. Nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six, Wallas County, way out west near Sharon Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>A rancher was riding his land and saw a strange

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<v Speaker 1>cloud of dust hanging over a spot where no dust

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<v Speaker 1>ought to be, and he rode toward it, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ground had collapsed. A fresh sink raw edged the dirt,

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<v Speaker 1>still settling that cloud of dust the only announcement the

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<v Speaker 1>earth had bothered to make before it opened. They sent

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<v Speaker 1>a geologist out from the survey, a fellow named Moore,

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<v Speaker 1>and he looked it over and noted that there was

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<v Speaker 1>another old collapse nearby that folks called the old maid Pool,

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<v Speaker 1>and that one was so old nobody could say when

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<v Speaker 1>it had formed, decades back, at least maybe centuries. The

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<v Speaker 1>land out there has been quietly falling in on itself

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<v Speaker 1>for longer than there's been anybody around to write it down.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a modern one too. Drive Interstate seventy across Russell

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<v Speaker 1>County over the old Gorham oil field, and you are

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<v Speaker 1>driving across salt that is dissolving under the pavement right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The highway sinks there. It sinks slow, but it sinks,

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<v Speaker 1>and the state has to come back and build the

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<v Speaker 1>road up again and again because the ground underneath won't

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<v Speaker 1>hold still. Men in trucks fighting a hole that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>done forming yet, a hole that is the same age

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<v Speaker 1>as the dinosaurs, and in no hurry at all, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've measured it, which is the thing. This isn't folklore.

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<v Speaker 1>Since the late nineteen seventies, the State Survey has gone

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<v Speaker 1>out with seismic gear to map the hollows under the roads,

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<v Speaker 1>and the method they settled on tells you something all

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<v Speaker 1>by itself. To send a sharp enough pulse down into

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<v Speaker 1>the rock, they drilled boreholes and fired rifles straight down

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<v Speaker 1>into them, heavy rounds into the earth, and they listened

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<v Speaker 1>with their instruments to how the shot came back, and

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<v Speaker 1>the way it came back drew them a picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the rooms down there, the salt gone to water, the

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<v Speaker 1>voids waiting under a pavement that a quarter of a

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<v Speaker 1>million cars cross every year. Men firing guns into the

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<v Speaker 1>ground to learn how empty it is beneath an interstate

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<v Speaker 1>highway that is not a campfire story, that is an

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<v Speaker 1>engineering report, and the report says the ground is full

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<v Speaker 1>of holes. The survey people will tell you there are

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<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred known areas of land subsidence in

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas tied to that salt going away, more than one hundred.

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<v Speaker 1>And those are only the ones somebody noticed, only the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that fell where a road or a town or

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<v Speaker 1>a man's fence happened to be paying attention. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you a story about something living in a

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<v Speaker 1>Kansas sinkhole, I want you to start from there, from

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<v Speaker 1>a state that is very slowly eating itself from the inside,

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<v Speaker 1>opening rooms in the dark, dropping the ceiling without warning,

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<v Speaker 1>and saying nothing about it but a little dust on

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<v Speaker 1>the wind, Which brings us to Enman. Inman sits in

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<v Speaker 1>Macpherson County, right in the belly of the state, a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet Mennonite farming town where the families have worked the

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<v Speaker 1>same sections of ground since the eighteen seventies. Good plain people,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind who don't go in for tall tales as

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<v Speaker 1>a rule, Wo'd rather you didn't make a fuss, who

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<v Speaker 1>keep their heads down and their fields clean. Just southeast

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<v Speaker 1>of town, out about four miles, there's a low patch

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<v Speaker 1>of country that used to be a whole lot wetter.

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<v Speaker 2>Than it is now.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lake out there once, inmand Lake, which

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<v Speaker 1>has the distinction of being the largest natural lake in Kansas,

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<v Speaker 1>which tells you something about Kansas. Over the years, the

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<v Speaker 1>water shrank back, and what got left behind was the

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<v Speaker 1>lake and a scatter of deep, low spots full of

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<v Speaker 1>water sink holes, and the biggest of them, the local

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<v Speaker 1>people called, with the flat practicality of farm folks, the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Sinkhole. Here's the thing about the Big sinkhole, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything strange about this story runs straight through it. It

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<v Speaker 1>is not a deep place. People hear the word sinkhole

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<v Speaker 1>and picture a shaft going down into the planet. But

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and look, and you'll find a pond,

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<v Speaker 1>a wide, muddy bowl that gets maybe fifteen feet at

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<v Speaker 1>the center after a hard rain, and a good deal

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<v Speaker 1>less than that the rest of the time. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been years it dried down to four or five feet.

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<v Speaker 1>Years you could walk across the bottom of it in

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<v Speaker 1>your boots and find fresh water clams in the muck

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<v Speaker 1>and not one single fish. A shallow, drying, fishless pond

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a Wheat county. That's what was

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<v Speaker 1>really out there, and the descriptions that came out of

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<v Speaker 1>it ran a good deal bigger. The strangeness out there

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<v Speaker 1>is older than the town's interest in it. Long before

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<v Speaker 1>anybody named a monster, the tribes who knew this country

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<v Speaker 1>had their own water and their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Things in it.

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<v Speaker 1>The Arapaho spoke of a horned serpent, the Heatica be it,

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<v Speaker 1>the salk and the fox, and the Potawatami carried stories

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<v Speaker 1>of a giant serpent, a man eater, a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the deep water and was not to be

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<v Speaker 1>trifled with. You find versions of that creature all across

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the continent, in nation after nation. A

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<v Speaker 1>long thing in dark water that takes what it wants

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<v Speaker 1>different names on the same shape. And if people don't

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<v Speaker 1>carry the same warning across that many languages and that

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<v Speaker 1>many generations, for no reason at all, there's a deeper

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<v Speaker 1>old fact under even that one the geology hands us

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<v Speaker 1>for free. The reason there's salt under Kansas is that

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<v Speaker 1>an actual sea sat over it, back in the Permian

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<v Speaker 1>and before that, and after that, other seas came and went,

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<v Speaker 1>and those seas were full of long swimming things mosasaurs

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<v Speaker 1>and plesiosaurs, forty foot reptiles with mouths full of teeth,

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<v Speaker 1>cruising over what is now wheat. They're gone, every one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, dead a tremendously long time, and turned to stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Western Kansas is built out of those bones. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>and it's packed with the dead of that sea. Mosasaurs

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<v Speaker 1>with wingspans whiter than a barn door. Kids out there

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<v Speaker 1>The bones are so common they're almost dull. The sea

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<v Speaker 1>is gone, but the seas dead are everywhere, worked right

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<v Speaker 1>into the soil. A man plows, and the rock a

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<v Speaker 1>interesting question, what if not all of them left? It's

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<v Speaker 1>that ground. You plow up the vertebra of a sea

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<v Speaker 1>reptile in the spring and set it on the shelf

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<v Speaker 1>oldest people in your country have warned about a long

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<v Speaker 1>the conclusion practically draws itself.

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<v Speaker 2>True or not. The sea was here, The sea was

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<v Speaker 1>The water never entirely left, so why would all the

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<v Speaker 1>long things have gone with it? A man doesn't need

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<v Speaker 1>a degree to run that arithmetic. He just needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be standing at the edge of dark water at dusk

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<v Speaker 1>with a fish on the line and a cold smell

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<v Speaker 1>coming up off the surface, and the arithmetic runs itself,

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<v Speaker 1>and he reels up early and stays away from that

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<v Speaker 1>spot for a good while after. In the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>fishermen out at the inmand Water started saying they'd seen

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<v Speaker 1>something and it wasn't a fish, something long and much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than any fish that are supposed to be out there.

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<v Speaker 1>The reports were thin, and they didn't travel far. Farm

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<v Speaker 1>gossip and bait shop talk, the kind of thing you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned to your brother in law once and then never

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<v Speaker 1>It sat that way for thirty years, a low rumor

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<v Speaker 1>in the mud, and then came a dry year and

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<v Speaker 1>two young men with a rifle, and everything changed. The

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<v Speaker 1>summer of nineteen fifty two was a drought summer. The

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<v Speaker 1>country was parched. The big sinkhole was drawn down, low

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<v Speaker 1>and muddy and warm, and out there fishing it the

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<v Speaker 1>way they'd fished it for years were two young Mennonite men.

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<v Speaker 1>Their names were Albert Neufeld and George Raeger. These weren't

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<v Speaker 1>carnival barkers, and they weren't a couple of drifters looking

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<v Speaker 1>to get their picture in the paper. They were church

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<v Speaker 1>going farm boys from a community that prizes humility and

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<v Speaker 1>distrusts attention, a community that would sooner you said nothing

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<v Speaker 1>than said too much. If you set out to pick

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<v Speaker 1>the two least likely people in the state of Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>to invent a sea monster, could do a lot worse

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<v Speaker 1>than a pair of young Mennonites out fishing on a Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>after these messages. The way they described it, the water

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<v Speaker 1>moved and broke open, and what came up out of

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<v Speaker 1>that shallow, muddy pond was long, pale, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>thick as the tire off an automobile, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing either of them had seen before. Albert had a rifle,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty two, and he did what a farm boy

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<v Speaker 1>does when something that size comes up out of the

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<v Speaker 2>He shot it.

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<v Speaker 1>The story says he fired more than once from up

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<v Speaker 1>on a bridge nearby, putting rounds into the thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't care. The creature didn't thrash, flee, or die. It

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<v Speaker 1>just took the bullets the way deep water takes a

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<v Speaker 1>thrown stone. The two of them came back to town with that,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can imagine the dinner table, the careful way

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to say it, the quiet on the far

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<v Speaker 1>end while your father decided whether to be angry or afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>But other people had seen it too. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>inman men never named in the tellings, had reported a

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<v Speaker 1>thing in that water before the no feled boy ever

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<v Speaker 1>raised his rifle. And once Albert and George said their peace,

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<v Speaker 1>the dam broke, and it all came out, every half buried,

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<v Speaker 1>sighting every fisherman who'd kept his mouth shut for thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years because of the look he knew he'd get. The

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<v Speaker 1>pond had a reputation. Now the pond had a name

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<v Speaker 1>in it. They called it sinkhole Sam. The descriptions, once

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<v Speaker 1>they started flowing, did what descriptions always do, which is grow,

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<v Speaker 1>so that fifteen feet became twenty, and twenty became thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody said it had a tail with a fluke on it,

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<v Speaker 1>like a whale. Somebody said it had a face, and

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<v Speaker 1>worse that the face was grinning a wide grin that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a snake's grin, a non snake like grin. What

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<v Speaker 1>did that man see that made him reach past every

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<v Speaker 1>animal he'd ever known and land on the word grin?

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Neufeld's own told it best years later. He said

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<v Speaker 1>his father used to laugh about the whole business and

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<v Speaker 1>say that the more people who claimed to see sinkhole Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>the bigger sinkhole Sam got. Which is the wisest thing

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<v Speaker 1>anybody ever said about a monster. And it's a farmer

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<v Speaker 1>who said it about his own father's monster with a

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<v Speaker 1>straight face and a fly rod.

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<v Speaker 2>In his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>But look at what the joke quietly admits, It admits

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<v Speaker 1>there was a hymn. The argument in that family was

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<v Speaker 1>never whether Albert saw something. It was only ever about

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<v Speaker 1>how big. Here's where a small town fish story turns

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<v Speaker 1>into a circus. And the man who was responsible. His

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<v Speaker 1>name was Ernest Alva Dewey, and he wrote a column

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<v Speaker 1>for the Selena Journal. Before that, he'd been a publicist

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<v Speaker 1>for a traveling circus, which is the kind of detail

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<v Speaker 1>that explains a man's whole career, and his particular sport

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<v Speaker 1>was making gentle fun of country superstition. He'd already done

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<v Speaker 1>it with flying saucers. When the saucer panic was on

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<v Speaker 1>and people were watching the sky and losing sleep, he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote that the lights folks kept seeing were just a

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<v Speaker 1>creature called the ball tailed snickele hoopis migrating across the

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<v Speaker 1>country harmless. Fond of pranks, he made it up on

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<v Speaker 1>the spot and ran it in the paper with a

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<v Speaker 1>straight face. That was his whole game. So when word

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<v Speaker 1>reached him that the good people of McPherson County had

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<v Speaker 1>themselves a lake monster, Dewey came running with his pen out.

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<v Speaker 1>He drove to Inman and he announced in print that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd brought along a man of science to settle the matter,

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<v Speaker 1>a distinguished doctor by the name of Erasmus P.

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<v Speaker 2>Quaddle Bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>You will not find doctor Quadlebaum's credentials anywhere, because doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Quaddlebaum did not exist. Dewey invented him the way he

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<v Speaker 1>invented everything. And then he had this invented doctor perform

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<v Speaker 1>hours of rigorous examination at the sinkhole and deliver a verdict.

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<v Speaker 2>And the verdict was.

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<v Speaker 1>That sinkhole Sam was no snake at all. Sinkhle Sam,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor determined was a foup and Girkle. A foop

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<v Speaker 1>and Girkle, explained, was the most thoroughly extinct creature ever

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<v Speaker 1>to live on the Kansas Plains, a beast that dwelt

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<v Speaker 1>in underground caverns, which conveniently explained how a thirty foot

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<v Speaker 1>animal could live in a pond.

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<v Speaker 2>You could wade across the.

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<v Speaker 1>Foup and Gircle, he assured his readers, was a vegetarian

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<v Speaker 1>and not very bright, so the fishermen and swimmers of

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<v Speaker 1>Inman had nothing to fear. He ran it around Thanksgiving

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen fifty two, and he thought it was hilarious,

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<v Speaker 1>and it probably was. And here's the thing Dewey did

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<v Speaker 1>not count on. It didn't kill the monster, it fed it.

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<v Speaker 1>The column went out, and instead of laughing the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing off, the country came to look. Mill Penner, whose

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<v Speaker 1>family had farmed that very section of land since eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four, wrote about it later. He described coming home

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<v Speaker 1>from church one Sunday and finding his road lined with automobiles,

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<v Speaker 1>DeSotos and Chevies and nash Ramblers parked nose to tail

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<v Speaker 1>along the edge of the big sinkhole full of people

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<v Speaker 1>who'd driven out from who knows how far, with binoculars

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<v Speaker 1>and boxes cameras, hoping to catch the Foop and Girkle surfacing.

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<v Speaker 1>A neighbor had reported a thirty footer earlier that week,

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<v Speaker 1>and the crowd had come for it. The Pinner family

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<v Speaker 1>plain farm people came home to a traffic jam of

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<v Speaker 1>monster hunters in the yard and had to do their

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday around it. The story spread coast to coast. The

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<v Speaker 1>Inman folks started getting telephone calls from strangers in.

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<v Speaker 2>Far away states.

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<v Speaker 1>A satirical column meant to make the legend smaller, had

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<v Speaker 1>handed it a megaphone and a national tour. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the trap, the thing I keep circling, the reason I

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<v Speaker 1>half resent old Dewey, even as I tipped my hat

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<v Speaker 1>to him. He buried the truth under a joke. He

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<v Speaker 1>took two sober young men who saw something they couldn't name,

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<v Speaker 1>and put bullets into it, and he wrapped them in

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<v Speaker 1>a made up doctor and a made up animal and

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<v Speaker 1>a punchline, so that for seventy years afterward, anybody who

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<v Speaker 1>heard the words sink hole Sam heard foop and Girkle

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<v Speaker 1>right behind it, and laughed and moved on.

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<v Speaker 2>But take the joke away.

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<v Speaker 1>Set Dewey's whole circus off to the side, and look

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<v Speaker 1>at what's left underneath. You're left with a drought summer,

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<v Speaker 1>a shallow pond, and a long, pale thing that took

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<v Speaker 1>a rifle without flinching. You're left with thirty years of

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<v Speaker 1>fisherman who'd seen it before anybody made it funny. You're

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<v Speaker 1>left with the oldest peoples in that country warning about

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<v Speaker 1>exactly this a long thing in dark water, for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as anybody had been keeping warnings. The joke is loud,

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<v Speaker 1>but the joke isn't The evidence, and the evidence, what

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<v Speaker 1>The trouble with Sinkhole Sam is that you can't put

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<v Speaker 1>your hands on him. There's no body, there's no good photograph,

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<v Speaker 1>no track you can pour plaster into, no tuft of

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<v Speaker 1>pale hide caught on a fence wire. He lives in

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<v Speaker 1>the testimony, and the testimony is old and secondhand and

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<v Speaker 1>tangled up in a newspaper man's gag. There's another kind

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<v Speaker 1>of report, though, the smaller kind, the kind that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the paper because there's nothing in it but a

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<v Speaker 1>man and an animal and a feeling. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>ran a few head of cattle on ground that included

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<v Speaker 1>one of the low sinkhole ponds, not the big sinkhole,

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<v Speaker 1>a smaller one, the sort that scattered all through that country,

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<v Speaker 1>a wet eye in the middle of a pasture. Walt's

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<v Speaker 1>cattle wouldn't drink from it. Now, cattle are creatures of

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<v Speaker 1>pure habit. A cow will walk a quarter mile to

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<v Speaker 1>in a straight line every day of its dumb, contented life.

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<v Speaker 1>Walt's herd had drunk from that pond for years, and

419
00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>then one season they stopped. They'd file out to water,

420
00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and they'd halt a good way short of it, and

421
00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.039
<v Speaker 1>they'd stand and they would not go down to the edge,

422
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.720
<v Speaker 1>no matter how hot the day. He had to run

423
00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:47.400
<v Speaker 1>a line out and fill a tank for them on

424
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<v Speaker 1>the far side of the field. Because the animals had

425
00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.400
<v Speaker 1>decided all together, with no discussion. You or I could

426
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.000
<v Speaker 1>hear that the pond was off limits. Walt said he

427
00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.759
<v Speaker 1>never saw anything in that water, not once. He said,

428
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:02.839
<v Speaker 1>the only thing he ever saw was a place in

429
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the mud at the low end, where the bank was

430
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>pushed down and smeared out wide like something heavy had

431
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:11.319
<v Speaker 1>come up and gone back, and grass laid flat in

432
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>a track leading to the lip of the water, and

433
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>then nothing, because a track that leads into a pond

434
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.200
<v Speaker 1>just ends. He filled the tank, and he didn't go

435
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.559
<v Speaker 1>look close. He was seventy years old, and he buried

436
00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his curiosity by them let the cattle

437
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>have their opinion. He figured cattle weren't usually wrong about

438
00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.079
<v Speaker 1>the things that mattered to cattle. That's the report I

439
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>believe more than any thirty foot grinning serpent, because what

440
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>does a man have to gain from it. There's no

441
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>monster in it. There's just a pond, his animals quit,

442
00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:45.559
<v Speaker 1>and a smear of pushed down mud, and an old

443
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:47.799
<v Speaker 1>man's good sense telling him to fill the tank and

444
00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.119
<v Speaker 1>mind his business. You hear that same shape over and

445
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:54.279
<v Speaker 1>over once you start asking a pond that goes wrong.

446
00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Nothing dramatic about it, just wrong. There was a woman, Ruth,

447
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.200
<v Speaker 1>who's people farmed in that part of the county, and

448
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>she told about being a girl and being told flatly

449
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>every summer of her childhood to stay away from the sinkholes,

450
00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.799
<v Speaker 1>not because you'd drown, though you could. Her grandmother had

451
00:24:12.799 --> 00:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a different reason, and would never quite say it. Stay

452
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.319
<v Speaker 1>back from the low water, don't play at the edges,

453
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.720
<v Speaker 1>don't go down where the bank is soft. The grandmother

454
00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:23.480
<v Speaker 1>said it the way you'd warn a child off a

455
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:24.759
<v Speaker 1>hot stove, no.

456
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Debate in it.

457
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 1>And Ruth said the old woman would get a particular

458
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 1>set to her jaw when one of the kids drifted

459
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 1>toward the wet ground, and that was the end of

460
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:36.599
<v Speaker 1>the afternoon. They'd all be marched home. Ruth never got

461
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a reason out of her. Only the rule, hard as

462
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>a fence post, handed down without a story attached. Stay

463
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>away from the sinkholes. I think about that grandmother a lot.

464
00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:50.839
<v Speaker 1>A reason got lost somewhere up the line, and only

465
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:54.799
<v Speaker 1>the fear survived, passed hand to hand, a warning worn

466
00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>so smooth by use that nobody could read what was

467
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.559
<v Speaker 1>carved on it anymore. But somebody once knew why. Somebody

468
00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:04.759
<v Speaker 1>started that rule for a reason they thought was good

469
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:08.440
<v Speaker 1>enough to make their grandchildren afraid. And there was a

470
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 1>boy years on, a teenager named Cody, who went out

471
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 1>to one of those ponds at dusk to fish where

472
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.400
<v Speaker 1>his dad had told him not to, because that's what

473
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:21.799
<v Speaker 1>teenagers are for. He didn't catch anything. The water was dead,

474
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 1>he said, no rises, no bugs, the kind of still

475
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that a pond doesn't usually hold at dusk in summer.

476
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 1>And while he sat there, a smell came across the

477
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.960
<v Speaker 1>water that he couldn't place. Thick and organic, a low

478
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 1>tide reek a long way from any tide, and under

479
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it something else, a cold mineral smell, like the breath

480
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.359
<v Speaker 1>that comes up out of a cellar or a cave.

481
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:46.599
<v Speaker 1>And the still water out in the middle, the part

482
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't see well in the failing light, made one

483
00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 1>slow heave, not a splash, and not a jump, but

484
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a heave like something turning over far down, and the

485
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>whole surface lifting an inch to let it. He didn't

486
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.839
<v Speaker 1>to see it. Twice he left his ride and drove

487
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:05.440
<v Speaker 1>home and told his dad, and his dad didn't yell

488
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.119
<v Speaker 1>at him for fishing where he wasn't supposed to, which

489
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Cody said scared him worse than the pond had, because

490
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:14.279
<v Speaker 1>his dad always yelled, And that night he just listened

491
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and got quiet and went and locked the door. A

492
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:20.039
<v Speaker 1>woman named Carol kept two horses on a place with

493
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a sink pond at the corner of the lot, and

494
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the horses, which had grazed that corner for years started

495
00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 1>refusing it. They'd take the field down to nothing and

496
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 1>leave the grass tall around that pond, a ring of

497
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>untouched green they would not step into, And when the

498
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.279
<v Speaker 1>wind came off the water a certain way, the horses

499
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:40.799
<v Speaker 1>would throw their heads up and prick their ears, and

500
00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:44.279
<v Speaker 1>drift to the far fence and stand there, bunched and watching.

501
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Carol never saw a thing. She moved the horses to

502
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 1>another pasture because she got tired of fighting them about it.

503
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:53.480
<v Speaker 1>And she said the grass around that pond grew waist

504
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 1>high that summer, the only tall grass on the whole place,

505
00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 1>a green ring nothing would eat, marking the one spot

506
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:03.079
<v Speaker 1>the animals had all agreed to leave to whatever they

507
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 1>figured was using it. None of these will hold up

508
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 1>first names, no county lines, no proof, and a man

509
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 1>could invent every one of them at a bar. I

510
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>know that I've spent a career taking statements, and I

511
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>know exactly how much weight you can hang on A

512
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>fellow named Walt telling you as cows acted funny. But

513
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>run them together and a shape comes out of them,

514
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the same way the shape comes out of all those

515
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:31.160
<v Speaker 1>tribal serpents in all those languages. Water that animals refuse,

516
00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 1>mud push down where nothing should push it, a rule

517
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>against the low places, older than the reason for it,

518
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 1>a smell coming up from underground, and every so often,

519
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>at the worst possible light, the water lifting for something

520
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>you never quite see, the monster stays under And that's

521
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole horror of him. Sinkhole Sam is the thing

522
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>you don't get to look at. You only get to

523
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>look at what he leaves. And what he leaves is

524
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a smear in the mud, and a heard of frightened animals,

525
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>and a grandmother's voice telling you to come away from

526
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the edge. If Sam were only Inman, he'd be a

527
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.119
<v Speaker 1>one pond curiosity and we could close the book. But

528
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:13.119
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't stay in Inman. And that's the part nobody tells.

529
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Run a line about fifty miles south and west of

530
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 1>the big sinkhole, and you come to Kingman County and

531
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to Kingman State Lake, And in the autumn of nineteen

532
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, the same shape came up out of the

533
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:28.880
<v Speaker 1>water there. Now Kingman's Lake isn't a natural sink the

534
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 1>way Edmonds is. It's man made dug out of a

535
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:36.119
<v Speaker 1>marsh alongside the Neneska River. So the underground cavern theory

536
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and the whole foup and girkle business none of that fits.

537
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>This is a different body of water with a different history.

538
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>And still it came October of sixty seven. The story

539
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 1>got loose that a serpent had come up out of

540
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 1>that lake and taken a calf, not nibbled at it,

541
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 1>but taken it. The telling had the thing twenty feet long,

542
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.079
<v Speaker 1>big enough that a man swore you couldn't drive a

543
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 1>tractor safely over a creature. That's and it had killed

544
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a calf and dragged the carcass down into the lake

545
00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>and eaten it. A calf is a couple hundred pounds

546
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>of livestock pulled off the bank and into the water

547
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 1>by something nobody could see. And here's the difference between

548
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 1>Kingmen and Enman, the difference that makes my law dog

549
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 1>instincts sit up. At Kingman, there was a body that

550
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 1>went missing. There was allegedly a dead calf, and then

551
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>no dead calf. That's not a fisherman squinting at a ripple.

552
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a missing animal, which is a thing a rancher counts,

553
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 1>a thing that costs money, a thing that leaves a

554
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>hole in a herd. You can point at. The county

555
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>got worked up about it, the way counties do. Through

556
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the back half of the nineteen sixties, men went out

557
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>after the Kingman, Serpent, the calf killer, organized hunts, trudging

558
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the marsh edges with guns, the whole Midwestern jaws of it,

559
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>wheat instead of ocean. They never found it, of course,

560
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 1>they never found it. You don't find the thing that

561
00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.440
<v Speaker 1>lives where the water meets the dark. You find the

562
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>place it was, and the thing it took, and the

563
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>flattened reeds where it went back down. Stay tuned for

564
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>more Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages.

565
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>The two of them line up in a way I

566
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 1>don't love. Enman nineteen fifty two, A long, pale thing

567
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:24.519
<v Speaker 1>that ate bullets. Kingman nineteen sixty seven, A long thing

568
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 1>that ate a calf and left no carcass. Fifty miles apart,

569
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years apart, different water, different origin, and the same

570
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.079
<v Speaker 1>shape coming up out of it. The cryptid crowd, the believers,

571
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 1>they've got an answer for that, And I'll give it

572
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.119
<v Speaker 1>to you, because it's the kind of answer that's almost

573
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>too good. They say the sinkholes connect, They say, all

574
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 1>that dissolving salt, all those rooms eaten out of the

575
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>Kansas underground, all that water finding its way through fault

576
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and fracture. It isn't separate ponds at all, but one

577
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>dark plumbing system, flooded and lightless and running under the

578
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 1>whole region, so that a thing living down in it

579
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 1>could come up at Inman one decade and Kingman the next,

580
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>and never once cross open ground where a man could

581
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 1>see it travel.

582
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>It just swims under the.

583
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Wheat and surfaces where it pleases, and goes back down

584
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.920
<v Speaker 1>into a country we've barely mapped, because most of it

585
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 1>is solid rock, with the salt eaten out and water

586
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.519
<v Speaker 1>standing in the gaps. I don't believe that, because I'm

587
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.519
<v Speaker 1>not in the business of selling you a thirty foot

588
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 1>worm that commutes between counties through underground rivers.

589
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.039
<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you what I do believe.

590
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.599
<v Speaker 1>I believe the ground out there is hollow in ways

591
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>we don't fully understand, And the survey says as much

592
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred subsidence areas salt going to water

593
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 1>in the dark rooms opening up that nobody planned for.

594
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I believe in area that can swallow a piece of

595
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 1>itself between the third and the eighteenth of March is

596
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 1>one with a great deal of space under it. And

597
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I believe that when people who live on top of

598
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.799
<v Speaker 1>hollow ground keep seeing the same long shape come up

599
00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 1>out of the deepest water decade after decade, I'm not

600
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>comfortable laughing the way Dewey laughed. Something's wrong with that water.

601
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you what. I can only tell you

602
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that the cattle agree with me. And here's where I

603
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 1>have to complicate this whole drive, because if you think

604
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>the only strange thing in Kansas lives underwater, you haven't

605
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>been paying attention to what people see standing up. The

606
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>serpent at least makes a kind of sense. There was

607
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>a sea, there's a hollow under the ground, there's deep

608
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>water that animals avoid, and you can build a story

609
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:33.039
<v Speaker 1>out of geology if you squint. The serpent stays in

610
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 1>its lane, it stays wet. You can decide where it

611
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 1>lives and then decide not to go there. But the

612
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>other thing people report in Kansas doesn't stay anywhere. It walks,

613
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 1>it crosses roads, it stands at the tree line at

614
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 1>the back of a field and watches a man the

615
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>way a man watches a deer, and it leaves the

616
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:55.119
<v Speaker 1>one thing sinkhole. Sam never has the decency to leave.

617
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>It leaves tracks.

618
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Kansas is bigfoot country, and I know how that sounds.

619
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I know you're picturing rainforest and mountains and not a

620
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>single wheat field. But run a river through any flat

621
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:10.599
<v Speaker 1>country and you've got a green corridor, bottom land, timber,

622
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>cottonwood and willow and brush so thick you can't see

623
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>ten feet, water and cover and game, a highway of

624
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>forest running right through the middle of all that open

625
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>The Mairee Designa, the Nao show the Ninniska, the same

626
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 1>river they dug Kingman's Lake out beside. The plains aren't empty.

627
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 1>They've got veins in them, and things travel veins. People

628
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 1>forget that a river is a road. They look at

629
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 1>the open country on either side and call it a barrier,

630
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.799
<v Speaker 1>when the water and the timber along it are the

631
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.839
<v Speaker 1>opposite of a barrier. The one path a big, shy

632
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 1>animal can move along for one hundred miles and never

633
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>break cover, never cross a headlight, never show itself to

634
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 1>the open ground the way the wheat would force it

635
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.559
<v Speaker 1>to follow the green line on a Kansas map, the

636
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 1>cottonwood and the brush tracing every creek and river across

637
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:05.599
<v Speaker 1>all that emptiness, and you've drawn the exact map of

638
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.920
<v Speaker 1>where the reports cluster. They don't cluster in the wheat,

639
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>they cluster on the water. Same as the serpent. Whatever

640
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Kansas hides, it hides where the trees meet the water,

641
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>and it moves at night along the rivers. And it's

642
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.519
<v Speaker 1>been doing that since before old Chef knocked down his

643
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 1>first fence. The serpent is what comes up out of

644
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the low places. The other thing is what comes down

645
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the timber. And the people who've met the

646
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.800
<v Speaker 1>second one don't laugh about it anymore than the people

647
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 1>who've met the first. And this goes back further than

648
00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:41.360
<v Speaker 1>you may think. Eighteen sixty nine, Crawford County, Southeast Kansas,

649
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>just a few years after the Civil War, before half

650
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 1>these towns had a proper main street, something started raiding

651
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the farms. It knocked down fences, it turned livestock loose,

652
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It tore up the grain fields and ate its fill.

653
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 1>And it came back and the people got nervous. They

654
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>went after it counts say as many as sixty citizens

655
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 1>turned out and chased the thing through the fields, and

656
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 1>they saw it well enough in daylight to describe it.

657
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>A witness name Tremble gave the description that survives, and

658
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.079
<v Speaker 1>it's the one that stops people cold even now because

659
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 1>of what he said and what he wouldn't do. The creature,

660
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Tremble said, had so near a resemblance to a human

661
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 1>form that the men were unwilling to shoot it. Sixty

662
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>armed men one hundred and fifty years ago chasing a

663
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>thing that had been robbing them blind, with every reason

664
00:35:31.480 --> 00:35:34.000
<v Speaker 1>in the world and the law and the whole community

665
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.159
<v Speaker 1>behind them to put it down, and they couldn't do it.

666
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't pull the trigger because it looked too much

667
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 1>like a man, stooped and hairy and long armed, walking

668
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 1>up on two legs and then dropping to all fours

669
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:49.039
<v Speaker 1>when it ran, and yet enough like a person in

670
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the face or the carriage or the eyes that sixty

671
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.320
<v Speaker 1>angry farmers lowered their guns rather than commit what would

672
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.880
<v Speaker 1>feel to a man like murder.

673
00:35:58.599 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 2>They called it.

674
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Old Chef, and Old Chef is the oldest written bigfoot

675
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 1>report in the state, and it sets the pattern that

676
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.719
<v Speaker 1>every report after it just repeats, big and hairy and

677
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>upright and too human to shoot. Around the same era.

678
00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Up in Washington County, in the far north, people told

679
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>of a wild man, a gorilla in the woods, shaggy,

680
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>passed all reason, walking on all fours, and then standing

681
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.760
<v Speaker 1>up to walk like a man, and once again the

682
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.760
<v Speaker 1>same catch in the throat, nobody wanting to shoot it

683
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>because it looked too much like.

684
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:30.960
<v Speaker 2>One of us.

685
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Two corners of the state decades apart, strangers to each other,

686
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and the same animal, and the same hesitation, and the

687
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>same reason for the hesitation. October of nineteen ninety nine,

688
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Lynn County, Eastern Kansas. The bottom land along the Mare

689
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>de Signor River country so swampy and thick it barely

690
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>belongs in the same state as the wheat. A bow

691
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>hunter named Chad was out before dawn with his uncle,

692
00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the two of them up in portable tree stands over

693
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a stretch of bottoms. About an hour into a cold

694
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 1>morning hunt, the uncle heard splashing, and the two of

695
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 1>them sat there and watched something come through the swamp

696
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>that was not a deer and not a man seven

697
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 1>feet tall maybe eight, covered in black hair, matted with mud,

698
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>a head that came to a point at the top,

699
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 1>and long arms that swung as it moved, and it

700
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 1>was wading through the water picking at something working at

701
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the surface, feeding, with no idea it had an audience.

702
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>The two hunters didn't move. Chad said later they were

703
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>frozen in place out of fear that the only reason

704
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 1>it didn't know they were there was that they'd locked

705
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>up solid in their stands. And then it turned and

706
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.159
<v Speaker 1>it made eye contact, and it looked right at the

707
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>two of them up in the trees and held that look,

708
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and then it went over a rise and was gone.

709
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 1>The Bigfoot Researcher's Organization rated their encounter Class A their

710
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>top tier, the kind they reserved for clear sightings by

711
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>credible people at close range. He witnesses with daylight coming on,

712
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and a bow hunter who knows every animal in those

713
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:07.280
<v Speaker 1>woods by its gate at fifty yards telling you the

714
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>thing he watched wade through the mare des Signa wasn't

715
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 1>anything he'd seen before. Go back to nineteen eighty four

716
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Sedgwick County, which is Wichitas County, not exactly the deep Woods.

717
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 2>A woman and her.

718
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Young daughter were walking a dark country lane and something

719
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.800
<v Speaker 1>paced them, staying off in the dark alongside, matching their

720
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 1>every step the two made at home, and what she

721
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 1>carried away from it was the certainty that the thing

722
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>in the dark had been keeping pace on purpose, following them,

723
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:41.760
<v Speaker 1>not just passing through. February of twenty fifteen, the western

724
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>edge of Kansas City, just past midnight, a retired police

725
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 1>officer on his way home saw a large, hairy beast

726
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.639
<v Speaker 1>run across the road in front of his car. He

727
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.199
<v Speaker 1>was close five feet maybe, and his headlights and another

728
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>car's headlights lit it up as it crossed, and he

729
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 1>only caught the back of it going away, but he

730
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 1>clocked the size, big as a horse or an elk,

731
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and the hair two or three inches long, wavy, near

732
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to curley in places, a dirty blonde color lighter than brown.

733
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>A retired officer reporting a thing he knows will get

734
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>him laughed at putting it on the record anyway, because

735
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 1>he saw what he saw, and old habits about telling

736
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the truth die hard. December of twenty twenty, Miami County,

737
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>about twenty miles west of Kansas City, a man named

738
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Paul out hunting after dark and heavy timber. He heard

739
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>coyotes going that ordinary wild racket, and then a smell

740
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 1>rolled over him, a stench he couldn't place and couldn't stand.

741
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 1>And then the coyotes quit all at once, and the

742
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 1>woods went silent, and into that silence came the sound

743
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of something big moving through the timber, limbs breaking, and

744
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>then a whole tree coming down. He didn't see it,

745
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't need to see it. The smell and

746
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the silence and the breaking wood told him everything. His

747
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:01.679
<v Speaker 1>eyes were too dark to confirm, and he got out

748
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 1>of there. And then March of twenty twenty five, last spring,

749
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.679
<v Speaker 1>twelve miles north of Topeka and Jackson County, two men

750
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>out at dusk and a side by side running a

751
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.159
<v Speaker 1>rural road. One of them, a man named Warren, noticed

752
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 1>movement out in a field and arm swinging, and figured

753
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 1>at first it was something mechanical, a piece of farm equipment.

754
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they stopped at the fence line, and it wasn't equipment.

755
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.159
<v Speaker 1>It was tall seven and a half to eight and

756
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a half feet, the same coned head and the same

757
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>black hair, and the same long swinging arms as every

758
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.599
<v Speaker 1>account before it, going back to old Chef Warren hollered

759
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 1>at it and tried to make it stop, but it

760
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>kept walking. It turned its head and looked back at

761
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.480
<v Speaker 1>them mid stride, rotating at the waist and shoulders and

762
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>turning its head just enough to glance at them. And

763
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 1>then it kept walking at the exact same pace toward

764
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a grove of trees, and was gone. The researcher who

765
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 1>worked that case went out and measured, and she came

766
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>within sixty yard guards of where the thing had stood,

767
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.039
<v Speaker 1>and found a depression pressed into the grass seventeen and

768
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>a half inches by seven, and ran a three dimensional

769
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>scan of it that she said suggested a heel.

770
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And a toe.

771
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And it isn't only the close encounters. The whole back

772
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.639
<v Speaker 1>catalog of that state runs heavy with them. Coffee County

773
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four, Montgomery County in nineteen seventy seven,

774
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Geary County in nineteen eighty, Crawford County again in nineteen

775
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>eighty two, the same county as old Chef. More than

776
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>a century later, the thing still working the same ground. Bourbon, Riley, Sumner, Neoshow, Douglas, Shawnee, Miami,

777
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Celine County after county after county, a scatter of reports

778
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 1>so even across the map that you stop thinking of

779
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>it as a hotspot and start thinking of it as

780
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 1>a residency. Something lives there, spread, thin and quiet and careful,

781
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>but there. The researchers came to take it seriously enough

782
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 1>that in twenty thirteen, a tw television crew, the Finding

783
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot people off the Animal Planet channel, came to Wichita

784
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 1>to work a case a large footprint somebody had found

785
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>pressed into the ice near a flood control channel. The

786
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 1>locals call the big Ditch, a footprint in the ice

787
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a city, big enough to bring

788
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>a film crew across the country. A Kansas City investigator

789
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 1>named Carter Bouchard, whom I've interviewed on my other podcast

790
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch Odyssey several times, has spent years on this interviewing

791
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 1>witnesses and walking riverbanks and running expeditions through the bottomland counties.

792
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 1>A sober man doing patient, unglamorous work on a thing

793
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 1>most people won't say out loud at a dinner party.

794
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.159
<v Speaker 1>And under the famous cases, there's the ordinary traffic, the

795
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 1>reports that never make a headline. Two friends fishing a

796
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.559
<v Speaker 1>creek outside some small town near eleven at night, passing

797
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the time by knocking two sticks together to break the

798
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>boredom and getting an answer back out of the dark timber.

799
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.920
<v Speaker 1>A knock returned, then another closing in until they reeled

800
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>up and left the fish biting. A pair of turkey

801
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>hunters crawling into a field at five in the morning,

802
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.000
<v Speaker 1>who heard sounds they only placed later after they'd heard

803
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>recordings of what other people had heard. A man driving

804
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.760
<v Speaker 1>home from Council Grove with a coffee and a pack

805
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.840
<v Speaker 1>of cigarettes just after daybreak, the fog lifting in patches,

806
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.719
<v Speaker 1>who slowed for something crossing the road that the fog

807
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.079
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let him fully see, and that walked upright into

808
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the gray and was gone. A family that's kept a

809
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 1>cabin on the Neosho River for twenty five years, running

810
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>limb lines for catfish the way they always have. Who'll

811
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 1>tell you the woods out there go a particular kind

812
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of wrong after dark, and who keep going anyway because

813
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 1>it's their cabin and their river. And a man doesn't

814
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:49.159
<v Speaker 1>surrender his catfish to a thing he can't even prove

815
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 1>is real. County after county, a century and a half

816
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>of the same animal described the same way by people

817
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>who'd never met and had nothing to gain. Old chef

818
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 1>knocked down fences in eighteen sixty nine, and Warren watched

819
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the same thing look back at him over its shoulder

820
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty five. And whatever it is, it has

821
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>been walking the green veins of this flat, empty state

822
00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, all one hundred and fifty years of it.

823
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 1>And it leaves a track seventeen inches long, and it

824
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.559
<v Speaker 1>is in no hurry at all, and it does not

825
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.119
<v Speaker 1>run from us. It just looks back and keeps the

826
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 1>same pace and goes over the hill. There's another kind still,

827
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the ones with no last name and no mappen, the

828
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 1>ones told to me in driveways and feed stores and

829
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.440
<v Speaker 1>across truck hoods. The ones I can't prove and won't

830
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 1>pretend I can take them for what they are. I

831
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 1>find the shape of them too consistent to leave out.

832
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:47.800
<v Speaker 1>There was a man named Dale who farmed a section

833
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>with a creek running through the back of it, timber along.

834
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>The water the way there always is.

835
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>His dog wouldn't go past a certain point along that creek.

836
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>A good dog, a working dog, the kind that'll go

837
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>any where you point it. And it would get to

838
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 1>one bend in the timber and stop and lower its

839
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.280
<v Speaker 1>head and growl low and back up, and no amount

840
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.119
<v Speaker 1>of coaxing would put it past that bend. Stay tuned

841
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>for more backwoods bigfoot stories. We'll be back after these messages.

842
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Dale walked the bend himself one evening to settle the matter,

843
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and found the trees twisted, green limbs, wrist thick, bent

844
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and broken and woven together across the path at about

845
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>the height of his own head, a kind of mess

846
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>that no wind makes, because wind breaks things downward in

847
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>a way, and these were turned and bent across on

848
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.679
<v Speaker 1>purpose by something with hands and a reason. He left

849
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it the way he found it, and took the dog home,

850
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and he started carrying a rifle to the back of

851
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>his own land, which he told me he'd never once

852
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 1>done in thirty years of farming it. There was a

853
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 1>woman named Brenda whose porch light caught eyeshine at the

854
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>edge of her yard, up high, too high. She figured

855
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:59.599
<v Speaker 1>a deer at first, but deer eyes sit lower, and

856
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>deer to stand still that long. And this stood at

857
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the tree line, at the height of a man's head

858
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.639
<v Speaker 1>and a foot more, two points of reflected light, steady

859
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 1>in the dark for a long minute, while she stood

860
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>frozen with her hand on the door. Then the eyeeshine

861
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>went out. It turned its head away, she said, and

862
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the shine just stopped. And she heard one heavy footfall

863
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 1>in the leaves, and then nothing, and she went in

864
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 1>and locked up and didn't sleep. She never saw a body.

865
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 1>She saw two lights at the wrong height, and then

866
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.400
<v Speaker 1>she heard the weight of the thing take one step,

867
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and that was plenty. There was a trucker, a fellow

868
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 1>named Ray, who pulled into a rest stop along a

869
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Kansas Highway to sleep in his cab the way truckers do,

870
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 1>and woke in the dark to the whole truck rocking,

871
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 1>not wind, a steady push and release, like something leaning

872
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.480
<v Speaker 1>on the trailer and stepping away and leaning again, walking

873
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.559
<v Speaker 1>the length of his rig with a hand on it.

874
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 1>He lay there in his bunk and didn't turn on

875
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 1>a light and didn't look, just lay still and listen

876
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.280
<v Speaker 1>to whatever it was, walk the length of his truck

877
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>and feel its way along the side of it. And

878
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.159
<v Speaker 1>then the rocking stopped, and he heard the gravel crunch

879
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.519
<v Speaker 1>off toward the dark at the edge of the lot.

880
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.679
<v Speaker 1>He waited until full daylight to climb out the mud

881
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 1>along his trailer had hand smears in it, he said,

882
00:47:16.679 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 1>up high, longer than his own hand by half. He

883
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 1>didn't report it, he told me at a counter over

884
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:25.199
<v Speaker 1>coffee a year later, and made me promise not to

885
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 1>use his last name, Which is the only reason you're

886
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>getting it at all, because a man who's afraid of

887
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>being laughed at is usually a man telling the truth.

888
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 1>There was a hired man named Junior who worked a

889
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>place with a hog operation, and the hogs went off

890
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.239
<v Speaker 1>one night, the whole barn of them screaming, which is

891
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.119
<v Speaker 1>a sound that'll put you on your feet out of

892
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a dead sleep. He went out with a light and

893
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 1>found the hogs piled in the far corner of the pen,

894
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 1>climbing over each other to get away from the fence.

895
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 1>And along the fence in the wet ground were tracks

896
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>pressed deep, longer than his boot and wider the toes spread,

897
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.119
<v Speaker 1>coming up out of the creek bottom and going back

898
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.079
<v Speaker 1>down into it. He counted them, with the light shaking

899
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 1>in his hand. Whatever it was had walked the length

900
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 1>of that hog fence in the dark, close enough to

901
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 1>reach through, and the hogs had known it was there

902
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.800
<v Speaker 1>long before he did. The same way Walt's cattle knew

903
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 1>about the pond the same way Carol's horses knew the

904
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>same way Dale's dog knew about the bend in the creek.

905
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 1>The animals always know first, and that's the part nobody likes.

906
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:30.519
<v Speaker 1>By the time it gets to us, by the time

907
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>a man comes out with a light, it's already had

908
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.840
<v Speaker 1>its look and gone back to the water. And there

909
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:39.519
<v Speaker 1>was a girl, Hannah twelve or thirteen, who was out

910
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>at the family pond at dusk. And this is the

911
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>one that ties the whole drive back together for me,

912
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 1>because Hannah's pond was a sinkhole pond, one of those

913
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.760
<v Speaker 1>low wet eyes in the pasture. Hannah went down to

914
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it to call the dogs in and stopped because the

915
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 1>water smelled wrong, that cellar smell, that cold mineral breath.

916
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 1>And then she saw the thing at the edge of

917
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 1>the timber across the water, tall and dark and standing

918
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 1>watching the same pond. She was watching the serpent's water

919
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 1>and the timber's animal sharing a bank at dusk, and

920
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 1>a girl standing between the two of them with her

921
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>dogs whining at her heels. She didn't pick which one

922
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 1>to be afraid of. She ran from both. She told

923
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 1>it to me years later, grown, and she still couldn't

924
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 1>say which one she'd been closer to, the thing in

925
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the trees or the thing in the water, And she

926
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 1>wasn't at all certain they were two separate things. That's

927
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.519
<v Speaker 1>the one that stays with me, because what if they aren't.

928
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>What if the warning the arapahoe carried, the rule Ruth's

929
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:45.679
<v Speaker 1>grandmother handed down with no reason attached, the hesitation that

930
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>made sixty armed men lower their guns at Old Chef.

931
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 1>What if all of it is the same warning worn

932
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 1>into different shapes by different people on the same hollow ground.

933
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Stay away from the low water, don't shoot the thing

934
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:01.519
<v Speaker 1>that looks like a man, Come away from the edge.

935
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Maybe those are two animals, the wet one and the

936
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.159
<v Speaker 1>dry one. Probably they are, Or maybe there are two

937
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:11.519
<v Speaker 1>faces of one old fact about that country, which is

938
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that it is not as empty as it pretends and

939
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.760
<v Speaker 1>not as solid as it looks, And that the people

940
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 1>who've lived on it longest have always known to keep

941
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.480
<v Speaker 1>their children back from certain places, and have always known

942
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>better than to ask too loudly, what's keeping the pond

943
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 1>so dark? There's a detail I saved, and I saved

944
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.880
<v Speaker 1>it because it knots the two threads together so neatly.

945
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I almost don't trust it, and I'll let you decide.

946
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Kingman County, the same county where the serpent took the

947
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>calf in sixty seven. Somewhere in the records there's a

948
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.119
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot report out of that same county, a thing seen

949
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.480
<v Speaker 1>at a bridge standing on the west bank of the water,

950
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.320
<v Speaker 1>just north of where you cross wooded, right there at

951
00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the crossing, and open farm ground all around. A man

952
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.360
<v Speaker 1>came over the bridge, and there it was, down by

953
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the water where the timber meets the creek. A bridge

954
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.599
<v Speaker 1>with water under it and timber on the bank is

955
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the exact seam where this whole story lives. The serpent

956
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:08.599
<v Speaker 1>comes up out of the water on one side of

957
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:11.039
<v Speaker 1>that seam, and the tall thing comes down out of

958
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 1>the trees on the other, and a bridge is just

959
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>the narrow place where a person crosses over the top

960
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of both of them and prays, nothing's home. Albert Neufeld

961
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.960
<v Speaker 1>took his shots at Sinkle Sam from a bridge back

962
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.199
<v Speaker 1>at the very start of all this. The young Mennite

963
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>stood on a bridge over the Big Sinkle and fired

964
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.800
<v Speaker 1>down into the water at the long pale thing. A

965
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:34.679
<v Speaker 1>man on a bridge with the water below him, firing

966
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.719
<v Speaker 1>at what came up. And in another county, another man

967
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>crosses another bridge and finds the other thing waiting at

968
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the bank. We build bridges to get over the water

969
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>without touching it. And that's the whole point of a bridge,

970
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.519
<v Speaker 1>an admission, if you think about it, that there are

971
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 1>places a person isn't meant to step down into low places,

972
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 1>dark water, soft banks, And so we throw a span

973
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>across and hurry over the top, and tell ourselves were

974
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.239
<v Speaker 1>only saving our boots. But the old people weren't saving

975
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:09.000
<v Speaker 1>their boots. Ruth's grandmother wasn't worried about wet socks. There's

976
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:11.159
<v Speaker 1>a reason under the rule that got lost on the

977
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>way down to us. And the reason is older than inman,

978
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and older than the territory, and maybe older than the

979
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.840
<v Speaker 1>salt going to water in the dark. And it comes

980
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>down to the same handful of things every culture that

981
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.239
<v Speaker 1>ever lived on hollow ground worked out on its own.

982
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Stay back from the low water, don't go down where

983
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:34.079
<v Speaker 1>the bank is soft, and whatever you do when something

984
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.000
<v Speaker 1>comes up out of it or down out of the

985
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>trees toward it and it turns its head and looks

986
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.119
<v Speaker 1>at you the way a man looks at a thing

987
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.800
<v Speaker 1>that isn't a threat. You do not get to find

988
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>out what it is. You back up, you fill the

989
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 1>tank on the far side of the field. You take

990
00:52:48.320 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>your children home. I don't believe in the foop and gircle.

991
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe a thirty foot grinning worm commutes between

992
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 1>counties through flooded salt caverns under the wheat. I'm an

993
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.800
<v Speaker 1>evidence man, and the evidence isn't there. But I believe

994
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.280
<v Speaker 1>the ground out there is hollow. The survey proved it

995
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.639
<v Speaker 1>with seismographs and rifle shots fired down boreholes more than

996
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 1>one hundred places where the salt has gone to water

997
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 1>and the rooms are waiting, and the dust comes up

998
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 1>on the wind as the only warning you'll ever get.

999
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.119
<v Speaker 1>I believe the cattle won't drink. I believe a retired

1000
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.880
<v Speaker 1>cop saw something cross a road, and a bow hunter

1001
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 1>watched something way to swamp, and a girl at a

1002
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 1>sinkhole pond at dusk had to choose which fear to

1003
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>run from, and ran from both. I believe sixty men

1004
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.360
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty nine lowered their rifles for a reason.

1005
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have explained, and that the reason was good.

1006
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 1>And I believe that the next time you're driving across Kansas,

1007
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.360
<v Speaker 1>you should take one good look at the dark water

1008
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.840
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the low spots off the side of the road,

1009
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 1>the ponds that stay full when everything else dries out,

1010
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the ones with no fish in them, the ones the

1011
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:57.320
<v Speaker 1>cattle stand back front. Look at them, and then look

1012
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.599
<v Speaker 1>at the tree line behind them. And then do the

1013
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:03.239
<v Speaker 1>smart thing, the thing every grandmother on that hollow ground

1014
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:06.559
<v Speaker 1>would tell you to do. Keep driving and don't stop

1015
00:54:06.599 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 1>at the bridge. Di
