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<v Speaker 1>Hey twenty nine here if your bove KCD talk station,

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<v Speaker 1>good time to be tuned in because every week at

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<v Speaker 1>this time, good to hear from Daniel Davis to win

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<v Speaker 1>the Daniel Davis Steve Dive. You can find his podcast

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the world where your podcast, Daniel Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you, my friend. At least I can

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<v Speaker 1>see you my listeners camp, but they can hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, Welcome, thanks for having me back.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>I almost had to do therapy for mission you last week,

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<v Speaker 4>so eager to get back going today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, every once in a while I got to take

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<v Speaker 1>a day off, and I certainly miss our conversations. And

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<v Speaker 1>I presume you at least Gauge engaged in some reflection

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<v Speaker 1>on those who paid the ultimate sacrifice and service for

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<v Speaker 1>their country yesterday, Memorial Day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I indeed I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I do that all the time, and obviously that's what

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<v Speaker 4>we're supposed to do on that day. So I always,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, harken back to that and respect the sacrifice

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<v Speaker 4>they've been paid by so many, especially by the family

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<v Speaker 4>members who still survive, and just always want to reinforce

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<v Speaker 4>the message all that day that let's make sure we

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<v Speaker 4>don't ever make unnecessary sacrifices to our country by asking

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<v Speaker 4>them to die for causes that have nothing to do

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<v Speaker 4>with our national security.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or causes that are just seemingly crazy. And then

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of crazy, Donald Trump has suggested Bladimir and Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>in his words, has gone absolutely crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that crazy like a Fox? Or is he unhinged?

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Davis?

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<v Speaker 1>Because some of me thinks it's based upon our prior

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<v Speaker 1>conversations and my observations and reporting in the news, it's

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<v Speaker 1>more crazy like a Fox.

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<v Speaker 4>Well listen, I mean, I was a bit perplexed because

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<v Speaker 4>in that both the truth socialist Trump posted as well

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<v Speaker 4>as his comments that he made there before he got

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<v Speaker 4>back on Air Force One, he talked about how he

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<v Speaker 4>was really surprised, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>That Russia was doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't understand why he would be surprised, why

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<v Speaker 4>anyone would be surprised, because Russia is doing exactly what

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<v Speaker 4>they've said they were going to do. They said they

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<v Speaker 4>will not have a thirty day unconditional ceasefire. They will

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<v Speaker 4>keep fighting and keep talking at the same time they

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<v Speaker 4>want a negotiated settlement on their terms, or they'll simply

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<v Speaker 4>keep fighting for it. And listen, Also, this this drone

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<v Speaker 4>attack in Takiv that Trump was so animated about, is

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that there has been back and forth, for

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<v Speaker 4>going back to the several days, like five or six

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<v Speaker 4>days in a row, Ukraine launched hundreds, like seven or

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<v Speaker 4>eight hundred drones into Russia, tried to attack into Moscow.

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<v Speaker 4>Moscow retaliated every day. So it's a back and forth deal.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a war, and both sides are continuing to fight,

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised by

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<v Speaker 4>these sequence of events.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know something you and I talked about before,

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<v Speaker 1>and is the expense of launching missiles to knock down

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<v Speaker 1>drones or other missiles from the sky. And as I

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<v Speaker 1>read now, the drone attacks feature in an array of

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<v Speaker 1>decoy projectiles that I'm meant to intimidate drone strikes, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't carry explosives. So Ukraine starts shooting at objects which

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<v Speaker 1>don't have any destructive power. But there's no way for

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukrainians to know whether or not they have they're

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<v Speaker 1>armed or not. But obviously that frees up an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for other drones to fill in the holes and attack

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<v Speaker 1>the targets. I don't This is modern warfare, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how it's going to evolve down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>but this it seems to make perfect sense to me

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<v Speaker 1>that you would use, you know, a bunch of fake

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<v Speaker 1>ones in there in the mix with the real ones

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<v Speaker 1>increasing the likelihood you're gonna actually hit your target.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's the problem that you really illuminated there that

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<v Speaker 3>from the Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 4>Side they have no idea which is which because a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of them are what's called repurposed S three hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and anti aircraft missiles and they look just like incoming

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<v Speaker 4>missiles on the radar screen.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't tell the.

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<v Speaker 4>Difference, but part but they're just basically rocket motors that

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<v Speaker 4>are flying in the air and you have to or

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<v Speaker 4>even the slow drones, there's a medium speed drones, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 4>All these things require you either have to shoot them

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<v Speaker 4>down or they're going to strike their target. And what

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<v Speaker 4>we're seeing, by the way I told you, there's this big, huge,

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<v Speaker 4>like multi hundred drone strick. In both directions. Nearly all

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<v Speaker 4>of the ones from the Ukraine side to Russia were

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<v Speaker 4>shot down. Hardly any made it through handful of a few.

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<v Speaker 4>But on the Russian side, when they're firing into Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 4>a substantial portion of both the missiles and the drones

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<v Speaker 4>are hitting their target, and especially not before last in Odessa,

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<v Speaker 4>there was just catastrophic damage in there, and of course

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<v Speaker 4>you've seen the videos I'm sure from Kiev, etc. You

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<v Speaker 4>don't see a commensurate vision on that on the Russian

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<v Speaker 4>side because they have the air defense missiles and the

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine side has insufficient air defense missiles.

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<v Speaker 3>And this point it is a math problem for the

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine side.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, which continues the theme that you and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>discussing now for what seems like months, which well, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it has been the lack of arms that the

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine has, and I guess the inability of NATO to

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with the with the demand in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I believe pairing back it's provision new weapons

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<v Speaker 1>of Ukraine, and I see German Chancellor merce now is

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<v Speaker 1>telling the Ukrainians that there's no longer going to be

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<v Speaker 1>any limit on the range of the weapons that so

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like that this is like another step toward

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<v Speaker 1>World War three if NATO countries are providing long range

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<v Speaker 1>missiles for Ukraine to fire deeper and deeper into Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know, I guess the military strategy as well.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're building a bunch of these drones at a

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<v Speaker 1>factory that's two hundred, three hundred and five hundred miles

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<v Speaker 1>inside Russia, then of course that facility is fair game

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<v Speaker 1>since it's funding the Russian troops or providing weapons for

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian troops. But this is going to more directly

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<v Speaker 1>implicate NATO and to the extent they start, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>intruding into Russian real estate, that increases the likelihood of

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of armed conflict, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I'm glad you brought that up because the comment

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<v Speaker 4>by Chancellor Mets, the new Russian of Russian, the new

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<v Speaker 4>German Chancellor made a point of saying on German television

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday that UK, France now Germany, and he said, the

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<v Speaker 4>United States have all lifted all restrictions on all these

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<v Speaker 4>weapons and now they can fire deep. Well here's the well,

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<v Speaker 4>as many problems with it. They don't have that many

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<v Speaker 4>missiles that we're talking about. Russia can launch literally hundreds

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<v Speaker 4>per month, every single month because they have the industrial

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<v Speaker 4>capacity of.

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<v Speaker 3>Long range missiles.

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<v Speaker 4>Most are a good portion of them get through but

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<v Speaker 4>on the US and NATO side, we had probably a

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<v Speaker 4>couple hundred total. I think there's two hundred Taurist missiles

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<v Speaker 4>from Germany that could be put into the mix. We've

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<v Speaker 4>already said that our attackers long range missiles. We were

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<v Speaker 4>near the end of that at the end of the

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<v Speaker 4>Biden administration. We don't have a lot to put in there.

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<v Speaker 4>So why in God's name would you want to like

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<v Speaker 4>escalate the situation by striking something deep inside Russia with

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<v Speaker 4>one of your missiles when you know that Russia can

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<v Speaker 4>fire ten back for every one you can shoot and

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<v Speaker 4>risk exploding the war. Yesterday Russia said two merits, if

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<v Speaker 4>German missiles fire deep into Russia and strike a target,

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<v Speaker 4>we will consider that as a direct participation of Germany

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<v Speaker 4>in the conflict and will react accordingly. They left it

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<v Speaker 4>vague what it is, but it's very clear they could

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<v Speaker 4>either strike Germany itself, German assets.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no killing what they could do.

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<v Speaker 4>But if we think that Russia is gonna allow that

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<v Speaker 4>to happen and do nothing, I don't think we've been

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<v Speaker 4>paying attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the other component of this is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the hardware that we provided to Ukraine and we've

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<v Speaker 1>had our own people there helping them to operate it

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't have the security clearances necessary to make

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<v Speaker 1>the longer range missiles work. And I presume that's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case with Germany's weapons systems, which means

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<v Speaker 1>there are boots on the ground in Ukraine from foreign lands,

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<v Speaker 1>most notably NATO countries, that are helping out in the

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<v Speaker 1>waging of this war. I mean, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the rules of engagement are all about, but

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds to me like we're already engaged in direct conflict.

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<v Speaker 1>Just we don't have the uniformed troops on the front

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<v Speaker 1>line shooting with small weapons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we just don't have them on the front line.

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<v Speaker 4>But also, by the way, both the storm Shadow and

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<v Speaker 4>the Taurust missiles require US help also for targeting and

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<v Speaker 4>other telemetry data, et cetera, not just the German boots

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<v Speaker 4>on the Kiev ground so to speak. You know where

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<v Speaker 4>they're being launched from, so our fingerprints, even the United

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<v Speaker 4>States is on all these missiles at fire long range.

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<v Speaker 1>And so going back to the fort about Ukraine hitting

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<v Speaker 1>further and further or deeper into Soviet into Solvie. Here

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<v Speaker 1>I go again channeling backwards into Russian territory. Say they

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<v Speaker 1>are going after the drone factory militarily. I guess that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense from Ukraine perspective. But if a NATO country,

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<v Speaker 1>say Germany, is providing the war waging equipment to Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 1>then it seems to be fair play for Russia to

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and bomb the factories that are making that

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<v Speaker 1>particular type of equipment.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we don't want to ever put them in the

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<v Speaker 4>position to make that rational calculation, because here's the thing,

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<v Speaker 4>there is two little thought on what is the intent

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<v Speaker 4>of using a given military a piece of hardware or

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<v Speaker 4>a tactic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you can say from a certain.

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<v Speaker 4>Perspective, totally legitimately that anything in Russia is fair game,

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<v Speaker 4>because everything in Ukraine is fair game.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one issue.

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<v Speaker 4>But then you have to say, what is the probability

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<v Speaker 4>of helping the Ukraine side and changing the balance of war,

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<v Speaker 4>and what is the risk of retaliation against US and

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<v Speaker 4>drawing US directly into the war. That's where the calculations

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<v Speaker 4>aren't being made. They're just doing the easy one and

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<v Speaker 4>they're not doing the harder one, which could, as you

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<v Speaker 4>very clearly point out, cause escalation. They could actually drag

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<v Speaker 4>should want is the possibility of having this thing escalate

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<v Speaker 4>what it should be, and its death throws the whole war.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, every day that goes by Russian makes more and

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<v Speaker 1>more progress insofar as it's moving movement into Ukraine, so

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<v Speaker 1>less and less more and more land is taken by Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where I started out with crazy like a fox,

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<v Speaker 1>because the longer Putin drags this out and refuses to

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna end up taking over the whole country if

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to. But in terms of a peace process,

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<v Speaker 1>any negotiation, it's still Russia's position that they will not

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<v Speaker 1>sit down unless Ukraine agrees to disarm and disavow its

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<v Speaker 1>desire to join NATO.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, that is correct, Yes, Yes, Sergey Lavrov reiterated that

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<v Speaker 4>even going to consider anything short of demilitarization and denoxification

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, so we're not making any forward progress here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's there. No, the two sides continue to go in

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<v Speaker 4>Chancellor match with this, with Zelenski continuing to talk really

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<v Speaker 4>You have more people on this now with Trump making

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<v Speaker 4>these comments, more people in the US saying, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>more sanctions and let's do more weapons. Jack Keane was

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<v Speaker 4>on Fox News this morning making that impassioned plea, all

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<v Speaker 4>of which go the opposite direction of bringing this to

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<v Speaker 4>a conclusion and increase the chance that Ukraine will ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, real quick for we part company on sanctions is

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that sanctions could be a potential inrow

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<v Speaker 1>to getting the Russia to sit down and maybe take

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<v Speaker 1>a little less stronger stance at the outset? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>do we have anything left in our sanctioned arsenal to

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<v Speaker 1>give too harm to Russia?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a skilled mathematician, but whatever the number less

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<v Speaker 4>than zero is, that's the chances for the sanctions having

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<v Speaker 4>any impact. If you've had zero for seventeen rounds of

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<v Speaker 4>sanctions when the US was fully on board and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>had the quote crippling sanctions and Russia weathered all that,

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<v Speaker 4>and now their economy is growing at a faster pace

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<v Speaker 4>than ours is. Then that tells you all you need

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<v Speaker 4>to know that Russia has made themselves sanction proof and

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<v Speaker 4>it is more insulting than it is effective to think

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<v Speaker 4>that you're going to have another sanctions round that's going

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<v Speaker 4>to do what almost four years of efforts before have

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<v Speaker 1>It's irrational. Didn't pull any punches on that response, Daniel Davis. Now, finally,

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<v Speaker 1>one final question in terms of the available troops to

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<v Speaker 1>fight the war on behalf of Ukraine, they got to

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<v Speaker 1>be running out soon or their numbers have to be

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<v Speaker 1>perilously small. They've lost so many people on the front lines,

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<v Speaker 1>is do they have a well to go back to anymore. No.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, there's been there's been a couple of research

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<v Speaker 4>reports issued in just the last handful of days in

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<v Speaker 4>the West and some of Ukraine as well that have

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<v Speaker 4>calculated that Russia, and I think it was just the

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<v Speaker 4>last month, recruited fifty thousand troops in a single month,

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<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand, and the casualty rate is way less than that.

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<v Speaker 4>So by maybe ten to fifteen thousand, they're adding more

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<v Speaker 4>troops than they are losing. But Ukraine, even with the

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<v Speaker 4>worst mobilization where they literally take people off the streets

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<v Speaker 4>and that's now a routine thing in Ukraine, they're not

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<v Speaker 4>even able to offset losses.

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<v Speaker 3>So both the.

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine side is shrinking every day, the quality of what

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<v Speaker 4>they can put it up to a quarter and in

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<v Speaker 4>some reports say that they actually flee the battlefield when

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<v Speaker 4>they get there.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have the Russian side.

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<v Speaker 4>Getting bigger, stronger, economically, industrial capacity, everything is growing. So

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<v Speaker 4>any way you want to look at this, it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>bad news for the Ukraine and the Western side.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Davis deep Diye I find them online, get his podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Tune in every every Tuesday at eight thirty the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five KRC Morning Show. I'm not sure what we call

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<v Speaker 1>that news, Dan, it depends on which side of this

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<v Speaker 1>love the ledger you're on. But wow, truth it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>There you have it. I love getting truth and we

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<v Speaker 1>all get it from you. Until next Tuesday, my friend,

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