Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
Speaker 1: the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
Speaker 1: a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see
Speaker 1: what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanted Jugwine,
Speaker 1: a horribly inconsistent schedule, and the month of July.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full
Speaker 1: Circle Table.
Speaker 2: Yay, hi baby, we are Oh my god, we've.
Speaker 1: Been doing things. We've been doing things and stuff and such. Yes,
Speaker 1: we've been getting it done.
Speaker 2: We've been being voices, a presence and a voice for
Speaker 2: the people and such.
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I am too. Yeah, I mean, I swear
Speaker 1: I was taking Pride month off this year and I
Speaker 1: was busier than ever.
Speaker 2: I thought it was funny when you said it.
Speaker 1: I know, with things like I had to prep for
Speaker 1: and stuff, right, But we did some cool stuff we did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: June was packed full.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: First of all, happy anniversary.
Speaker 2: Yes it's our Yesterday was our OG anniverses, our OG
Speaker 2: anniversary twenty fourteenth.
Speaker 1: Fourteen years ago. Yesterday we had our first date, the
Speaker 1: first date that never stopped, right, I think I put out.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty sure I did.
Speaker 2: Did I have a what was it A three?
Speaker 3: I had?
Speaker 2: Fuck what?
Speaker 1: I know your grandfather did?
Speaker 2: As it were, there were rules. No one told me
Speaker 2: about rules.
Speaker 1: We had known each other for eleven years, so yeah, fine, whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah.
Speaker 1: June eleventh, Garden State Equality organized the rally in Trenton.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the legislation that has passed finally,
Speaker 1: and we are so proud of having shield lulls that
Speaker 1: are probably the most the strongest in the country at
Speaker 1: the moment because they were written and rewritten up to
Speaker 1: the moment. So as Michiga, you know, reared its ugly head,
Speaker 1: for instance, Texas suing New York, our wise and wonderful
Speaker 1: folks anticipated and responded to that kind of bullshit. So
Speaker 1: I was invited to MC the rally, which was my honor.
Speaker 2: Yes, great, and you kicked ass.
Speaker 1: And I say all the time, I'm not a megaphone person,
Speaker 1: but sound system was was just not present. So there
Speaker 1: I was with a megaphone.
Speaker 2: Yeah it looks good on you. I got a lie.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I, so, I can't say that anymore.
Speaker 2: I cannot lie. I meant to say I cannot lie,
Speaker 2: and then I mix it up with I gotta say so.
Speaker 2: I said, I gotta lie.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're off to a rousing start. That's a microphone.
Speaker 1: There's things on your head are earphoneses, And this is
Speaker 1: our podcast. No, I don't smell toast good podcast?
Speaker 2: You say yes.
Speaker 1: And also on that day we were invited to the
Speaker 1: Governor's mansion. Oh my god, that was the same day
Speaker 1: on it it was for Governor Mikey Cheryl's pride reception. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you said the bourgiest sentence that may have ever
Speaker 1: come out of your mouth. Yes, after the.
Speaker 2: Fact last year was better.
Speaker 3: You did.
Speaker 2: Last year was better, And I'm like, wow, I actually
Speaker 2: said that. But you know what, find.
Speaker 1: The lot Well, it was just it was different, it
Speaker 1: was organized differently a little bit. It's hot as hell
Speaker 1: day it was. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Still a lovely event with lovely people.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: We were up in Trenton and for the rally, and
Speaker 1: for a minute we talked about like staying up there
Speaker 1: and then going to Princeton and but we were soaked
Speaker 1: to the skin. Yeah, I mean it was a very
Speaker 1: hot day out there.
Speaker 2: We would not have been as cute as we were,
Speaker 2: not at all.
Speaker 1: So we did come home, shower and rest and then
Speaker 1: go back to drum thlack it yes, which was lovely
Speaker 1: you know, open bar anyway, right, that happened, and then
Speaker 1: we did at the close. So last year I spoke
Speaker 1: Woodbury had there for Woodbury Little Woodbury, New Jersey near
Speaker 1: us had their first Pride celebration and I spoke, yes,
Speaker 1: you did at that. And then this year we partnered
Speaker 1: with s Chack, which is the South Jersey Artists collective
Speaker 1: collective for Tell the Children at Dinner.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a collaborative on an ongoing collaborative project with
Speaker 2: the friend of the pod Ken Wynn, who decided that,
Speaker 2: damn it, we were going to come together and create
Speaker 2: some art. So of course I said, okay, And so
Speaker 2: the project Tell the Children at Dinner. I love that title.
Speaker 2: I gave that title. It's basically a dinner party slash performance.
Speaker 2: The audience is sitting around the table and at the
Speaker 2: head of the table is a featured guest of honor
Speaker 2: who will share a story, a personal story of their
Speaker 2: queer history, and there are dancers slash performers who are
Speaker 2: also seated around the table, and they slash wei depending
Speaker 2: will perform and dance to punctuate various moments in the story.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It was fun. Our first first one a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and it was the close of Woodbury Pride. You were
Speaker 2: the guest of honor.
Speaker 1: I know that it was fun. We had a much
Speaker 1: bigger crowd than I expected. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: just always assume if I throw a party, no one
Speaker 1: will come. That never actually happened, exactly. It's so silly
Speaker 1: of you to think no. But we had a good
Speaker 1: crowd and it was really a lot of fun to do.
Speaker 1: It was interesting. It was a so I guess do
Speaker 1: we call it a performance piece? It was a performance
Speaker 1: theater storytelling?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I got I got some lovely feedback from a friend
Speaker 1: of ours who said you were you. I'm going to
Speaker 1: forget how she said it, but it was kind of
Speaker 1: you manage the tension so well, right, you know, And
Speaker 1: which is what storytelling and comedy you know, are are
Speaker 1: like we create it and then we alleviate it, and
Speaker 1: then we create some more. And you know, that's kind
Speaker 1: of the EBB and the flow of a good story
Speaker 1: correct and I had a blast.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: But but that's what I meant by I had to
Speaker 1: put work into that. Yeah, because y'all were just standing
Speaker 1: there and I was asking for direction, and you're going, well,
Speaker 1: once we know what you're talking about, thing exactly, have direction.
Speaker 2: I'm like, a fuck, Yeah, that's that's not how this works.
Speaker 2: We're just framing the work around you miss thing, and uh,
Speaker 2: we're going to get another opportunity to do tell the
Speaker 2: children at dinner with you you. I love that because
Speaker 2: ask Jack wants to do it again in October.
Speaker 1: I know that's exciting. That's excited. I'm glad because I
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna work the bugs out a little further. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love my story. Keep them interested.
Speaker 2: It'll be nice to have a chance to do it
Speaker 2: without the pressure of having put it together in a
Speaker 2: short period of time. We have time to work things
Speaker 2: out and yeah, add a couple more elements or something.
Speaker 1: It felt good to do that kind of creativity again
Speaker 1: together because it's been a it's been a minute, it
Speaker 1: has been a minute. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, look at me, I'm choreographing.
Speaker 1: I know, I had, I had a good time. We're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Cats, Theagelical Ball. There's there's a
Speaker 1: whole lot going on, And we were going to go
Speaker 1: for your birthday, yes, August fourteenth, and then they run
Speaker 1: is ending on the eighth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is exactly seven days before we were supposed
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: Well, I just got a text message that this Saturday
Speaker 1: we will be their second row center. So we're going
Speaker 1: to celebrate your birthday early. Yeah, this Saturday, Yes, in
Speaker 1: the second row, and I have a feeling we will
Speaker 1: meet under Deshields.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, it is confirmed.
Speaker 2: I'm giggling with glee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the this is the one Broadway show I
Speaker 1: think You've been the most excited forever.
Speaker 2: I have ever since it was first announced. When it
Speaker 2: was making its off Broadway debut, right, I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a second, this is a production of Cats I
Speaker 2: might give a shit about because historically I have never
Speaker 2: been a fan of the musical of Cats. No, I'm
Speaker 2: because it's bad. To me, It's dumb, it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: The dancing is always fierce. Butellica jelical Ball a ballroom reinterpretation.
Speaker 2: Now this I can get behind and and basically like
Speaker 2: the Royalty of Ballroom is in this cast. So I
Speaker 2: get to see Laomi in real life, you know, Junior
Speaker 2: Libaysia and of course Andre to Shields.
Speaker 1: I am so excited Deuteronomy. Yeah, so we were able
Speaker 1: to get in right under the wire and yeah.
Speaker 2: Really that's so exciting. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: So that's going to happen and we'll be able to
Speaker 1: talk about that, and we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: what's going on, yes with Broadway and the show, because
Speaker 1: it's really not cool, but at least we will be
Speaker 1: able to see the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last episode that we put out was an
Speaker 2: interview that I did with a queer author named Kathy
Speaker 2: Anderson about her short story collection called Vamoose Yes. And
Speaker 2: that was a delightful conversation and it was a good
Speaker 2: book and we got to talk about the themes and everything,
Speaker 2: and she was impressed that I had some astute observations
Speaker 2: about the themes of the book and the stories. Awesome,
Speaker 2: So you know, I love that. Yes, you can go
Speaker 2: back a few episodes and listen to that interview and
Speaker 2: get a copy of the book.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, anything else on your spirit?
Speaker 3: Anything else it's been a month.
Speaker 1: It's been it's been well, it's been more than a month.
Speaker 1: I guess we did record in June because I know
Speaker 1: we said it's Pride month, right and then and then
Speaker 1: Pride Month was a whirlwind where yeah, busy, we were busy.
Speaker 2: Yes, doing the things and seeing the people.
Speaker 3: Doing the things.
Speaker 1: And July has not been less busy. Actually, I know,
Speaker 1: my god, yeah I am. I was part of a
Speaker 1: keynote panel for the first Weave conference in New Jersey,
Speaker 1: which was a recovery conference centered around marginalized people and
Speaker 1: in particular LGBT people, and this one was focused on
Speaker 1: peer support, which is near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 2: So yes, and you rocked it. Apparently I did. Had
Speaker 2: it not been a recovery conference, you would have said,
Speaker 2: hold my beer.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yes, there was no beer, Yeah, there was no beer.
Speaker 1: It was good. It was good. And I ran into
Speaker 1: you know, people that I have known for quite a while.
Speaker 1: In fact, I quoted the quote that I use all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm sure I've said it here that you know, curious,
Speaker 1: stay curious because curiosity keeps us out of judgment.
Speaker 2: And then I borrowed that from you met my job
Speaker 2: the other night.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I said it, and I properly
Speaker 1: attributed it to one of my instructors when I was
Speaker 1: in peer training several years ago, and the beautiful blonde
Speaker 1: walked up after the panel and said, do you remember me?
Speaker 1: And I said, remember you? I just quoted you. And
Speaker 1: we had a we had a key key for like
Speaker 1: an hour, my instructor, Jenna, and she said, well, fair
Speaker 1: is fair because I quote you from that class.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I love that.
Speaker 2: See yeah, I left an impression as you're want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so did she because that was that was
Speaker 1: a gem when I heard it, and I thought, this
Speaker 1: is mine Now I will say it and say it
Speaker 1: because it's it's true. The more we, you know, stay
Speaker 1: curious and ask questions. Yeah, whatever the situation, it does
Speaker 1: keep us out of judgment, It keeps us interested, It
Speaker 1: keeps us learning rather than concluding.
Speaker 2: Right getting to the roots of things rather than judging
Speaker 2: what's on the surface.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's never been better advice than right here and
Speaker 1: right now, at this point where we find ourselves. And
Speaker 1: it's also really important in recovery and working with you know,
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different people trying to pull their
Speaker 1: lives together. You know, that's staying curious and trying to
Speaker 1: understand people where they are rather than where we.
Speaker 2: Might like them to be. Indeed, Republicans could take note word.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of.
Speaker 1: Deaths since we last that to we do Bonnie Tyler,
Speaker 1: Bonnie Tyler died. I know, I was sad about that.
Speaker 1: I loved her voice. I loved her voice. In fact,
Speaker 1: I performed I was going to say her music.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, she did have a very powerful vocal presence,
Speaker 5: especially in the eighties. Oh yeah, in this great whiskey voice.
Speaker 5: She was seventy five, told the.
Speaker 2: Eclipse of the Heart being her biggest hit.
Speaker 1: Yes, she has been hospital had been hospitalized in Portugal
Speaker 1: for I want to say since maybe April.
Speaker 3: Or May, no May.
Speaker 1: I believe she had emergency intestinal surgery and was in
Speaker 1: an induced coma for a period of time. We thought
Speaker 1: she was improving and she passed, So, you know, we
Speaker 1: lost her talent.
Speaker 2: Indeed, she was Welsh. I did not know that she was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Welsh.
Speaker 1: Get me learning things, So rest in power, Bonnie Tyler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then more recently Sam Neil died.
Speaker 1: Now tell me who he was.
Speaker 2: Oh, he was a wonderful character actor and leading actor
Speaker 2: in a lot of major films. Probably most notably he
Speaker 2: had the role of doctor Alan Grant in the Jurassic
Speaker 2: Park series Universe. Yes, like that was his major, major,
Speaker 2: major role.
Speaker 4: I knew him first from the film in the Mouth
Speaker 4: of Madness, which is a horror film that you're never
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 2: See, but it's one of my favorites, where he plays
Speaker 2: an agent who has to track down this elusive author
Speaker 2: who disappeared right before he was a turn in his
Speaker 2: newest novel. Oh, come to find out, he retreated into
Speaker 2: this this little New England town that only existed in
Speaker 2: his books.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And it's very love crafty and except without the racism.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, but but yeah, he had a prolific career.
Speaker 2: How old he's seventy eight? I think, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was seventy eight when he passed. That's crazy, Sam Neil.
Speaker 1: Back in May we lost Rob Bass.
Speaker 2: Yes, I left this on the list because the last
Speaker 2: time we were we had recorded, I had forgotten somehow
Speaker 2: to mention it, and I didn't want to go another
Speaker 2: episode without mentioning that he passed.
Speaker 3: It was only fifty nine. Yeah, Rob Bass.
Speaker 2: Was a foundational pioneering artist in in hip hop. It
Speaker 2: takes too, Yeah, that it takes too. I don't think
Speaker 2: there is a birthday party, wedding reception, bar MIT's foot
Speaker 2: botmans for barbecue gathering of any kind where there's a
Speaker 2: DJ where if you want to get asses on this
Speaker 2: on the floor, you don't put on It takes two.
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had He had turned fifty nine just four
Speaker 1: days before he died on May twenty second. Yeah, after
Speaker 1: a battle with cancer, a private battle with cancer, right right, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's a shame.
Speaker 2: The song of his that I love, possibly more than
Speaker 2: it takes two is joy and pain. That's always been
Speaker 2: my jam, and I think I might listen to that tonight.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I wanted I didn't want to go another
Speaker 2: episode without mentioning that that that he.
Speaker 3: Left us there.
Speaker 1: Clive Davis, Yeah, damn, that's talk about an icon, talk
Speaker 1: about an icon and an icon maker. He was ninety four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: king was what I said, icon maker, king maker? You
Speaker 1: said the other night, was there anyone who didn't work
Speaker 1: with Clive Davis? Because dear God from Johnny Cash to
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston to Oh my God, Yeah, Alicia Keys, Jennifer Hudson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's oh, Aretha Franklin, Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 2: So many, so many. Yeah, he got he brought Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 2: Uh not, I don't want to say revived her career,
Speaker 2: but he brought her into the pop R and B
Speaker 2: sphere with the duet that she did with George Michael. Yes,
Speaker 2: I knew you were waiting, Yes, and that ushered in
Speaker 2: the whole, Like, what's what's the song? The not Freeway Love?
Speaker 3: Is that her Freeway of Love is?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that that that Pink Cadillac Pink. No, that
Speaker 2: was Natalie Cole.
Speaker 1: Oh right, I guess they're different songs. Yeah, okay, every
Speaker 1: mind Freeway of Love?
Speaker 2: What and like I love that like on the opening
Speaker 2: of Buster Rhymes's Genesis album as a recording of Clive
Speaker 2: Davis calling him and telling him to keep it, gutta.
Speaker 1: Keep it got her Yeah, no, guta gutta just keep it.
Speaker 1: Gutta no R right drop the hard R already.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Freeway of Love was nineteen eighty five Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that was that was a vere the Franklin Freeway.
Speaker 1: Of Love, Freeway of Love, Aretha Franklin nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pink Cadillac was what we said was nat.
Speaker 1: But she's said in my pink Cadillac it did. We're
Speaker 1: going riding on the Freeway of love and my pink.
Speaker 2: Catalog, right, Okay, that might be what I yeah.
Speaker 1: When's against our back? Ain't we riding on the freeway
Speaker 1: of love? In my pink Cadillac? It's not the same song? Right?
Speaker 1: But she also had a pink Cadillac. Okay, So I
Speaker 1: didn't in the song, which I desperately want, I know,
Speaker 1: you do anywhere between a fifty nine and a sixty four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think I would like it in pink. And
Speaker 1: there there was I think it was called Persian Sand.
Speaker 1: There was an actual factory color that was a pink
Speaker 1: and had like a you know, there was usually a
Speaker 1: two tone pink interior. Here you go, I don't. I
Speaker 1: would be fabulous. I agree, I agree. And if it's
Speaker 1: a convertible, so much the better, I guess.
Speaker 2: My God, Barry Manilow, Patty Smith, Lou Reed, Gil Scott, Herron,
Speaker 2: The Kings, Melissa Manchester, Dionne Warwick, Who's zoom and who Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was the That was the Aretha Franklin song. I
Speaker 2: was trying, do.
Speaker 1: You know that over one hundred pink Cadillacs were in
Speaker 1: her funeral procession? That something about that? I love that.
Speaker 2: That sounds right.
Speaker 1: But yeah, back to Clive Davis, who we're actually talking about.
Speaker 2: I was trying, uh.
Speaker 1: Ninety four years old. What a life, what a storied life? Really,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so much amazing talent.
Speaker 2: He is responsible for a significant chunk of pop culture
Speaker 2: and pop music. The biggest thing was finding out that
Speaker 2: he was queer. Hm hm oh yeah, Clive Davis.
Speaker 3: Was a icon, right.
Speaker 1: Oh when you said the biggest thing, like it was
Speaker 1: a surprise, I.
Speaker 2: Mean I didn't know, but I also didn't think about it, right,
Speaker 2: But then I was like, oh, well, of course, there
Speaker 2: you go. How are you going to how are you
Speaker 2: going to be responsible for the careers of Barry Manilow
Speaker 2: and Aretha frank Glenn and Whitney Houston and not be
Speaker 2: a faggot? Come on now that's true, Come on now,
Speaker 2: and George Michael bitch come on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what a career, Yeah, what a career.
Speaker 3: What a cast?
Speaker 1: He did that he did, He did and he did
Speaker 1: it for decades and decades. Legacy Legacy Victoria Cruz. This
Speaker 1: this just made me sad. I did not know her personally,
Speaker 1: but everyone knew her as Miss Vicki. She was a
Speaker 1: veteran of the trans rights movement. She died recently at
Speaker 1: seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: She worked for seventeen years at the New York City
Speaker 1: Anti Violence Project. She was at Stonewall on that night
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, and you know a lot of
Speaker 1: folks looked at her as a matriarch, a matriarch.
Speaker 3: She died on June twenty fifth.
Speaker 1: I came to know I had. I knew her name,
Speaker 1: I knew of her, but I really saw more that
Speaker 1: the documentary that I believe is still in netfix the
Speaker 1: Death and Life of Marcia P. Johnson. Yeh, she has
Speaker 1: featured heavily, yes, because she is, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the people who just would not let that go and
Speaker 1: really did her best work to try to figure out
Speaker 1: the truth in Marcia's death because no one believes it
Speaker 1: was a suicide or a swim that went wrong. Right,
Speaker 1: So you can see Miss Vicki in that documentary, and
Speaker 1: she just shines, and she talks about her own life.
Speaker 1: You know, back in nineteen ninety six, she was repeatedly
Speaker 1: harassed and assaulted by coworkers, you know, as a trans
Speaker 1: woman working you know, in a nursing home in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: and that anger fueled her career with the with the
Speaker 1: Anti Violence Project. Back then, it was run by Christine Quinn,
Speaker 1: who later became the first openly gay speaker of the
Speaker 1: New York City Council.
Speaker 2: So she worked with her, Yeah, doing the work.
Speaker 1: She did the work. She did the work her whole life.
Speaker 1: She cared deeply, She cared deeply about the community. And
Speaker 1: as I said, you know a lot of folks looked
Speaker 1: at her as a mother figure and she will be missed.
Speaker 1: So rest in power, Miss Vicky Cruz.
Speaker 2: So this next one is a personal one for me.
Speaker 2: So at the end of June, we lost Donovan Hagen's
Speaker 2: Donovan Mark Hagen's who was a friend of mine in college.
Speaker 2: We met actually through dance. Although he went on to
Speaker 2: become a prolific actor and he made a significant presence
Speaker 2: in the Philadelphia acting community. Uh he performed with Freedom
Speaker 2: Theater and First World and basically all over all the
Speaker 2: major players I've seen him play in comedies and dramas,
Speaker 2: and he was featured in a multi episode arc in
Speaker 2: season two of The Wire. And he was just a
Speaker 2: good dude, like a general good and a loyal friend.
Speaker 2: Like he would like we would fall out of touch
Speaker 2: and then he would like just reach out and be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: it's been too long, what's up. The last time I
Speaker 2: saw him was when we had the bar and he
Speaker 2: was like, oh you still do that open michaels like.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm gonna come back, and he did
Speaker 2: and he came and he played piano.
Speaker 1: And sang.
Speaker 2: Like he was and everyone loved Mark. Everyone loved Donovan.
Speaker 2: He was just that dude. He was a good dude and.
Speaker 1: He was everywhere. Yeah, Rutgers, Camden Center for the Arts,
Speaker 1: Freedom Theater, a Zuoka Theater Collective, New City Stage, the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Arts Collective, play Pen, Walnut Street Theater, First World Theater, Ensemble,
Speaker 1: Imagination Stage, Arena Stage, African Continuum Theater Company, Ford's Theater,
Speaker 1: and Tribute Productions.
Speaker 3: Just so much.
Speaker 2: And one of the things he was most proud of
Speaker 2: he was a resident producer for Philly Young Playwrights. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: bringing young people into the theater world. So yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a shame. Definitely be missed. What a loss, Yeah, what
Speaker 2: a loss resting power. I'm just gonna mention on a
Speaker 2: lighter note, on a lighter note, Ladybug kicked it. So
Speaker 2: the NDAs are are probably canceled, and we are going
Speaker 2: to talk about that ship a little bit later. Lady pet.
Speaker 1: They say you should only speak good of the dead.
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is dead.
Speaker 2: Good by bitch.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a minute. Yes, we will
Speaker 1: show seventy one years old, lady Lady, Lady Geez left.
Speaker 2: Stage seventy one years old, died way too late.
Speaker 1: Right, thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know normally say too soon. I caught it. Oh,
Speaker 2: I caught it, Yeah, I caught it.
Speaker 1: That's one we hear the coming threes. Shaw, we don't
Speaker 1: believe the proof of life for you know, the turtle right,
Speaker 1: So m that might be two come one, number three.
Speaker 2: Very much like they treat they're treating Mitch McConnell like
Speaker 2: they treated the Gold Tablets and the Mormon religion. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he told me that he's doing just great, and he
Speaker 2: told me to tell you how No you can't see him,
Speaker 2: but hold on going to the other room. Come back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's great.
Speaker 1: The memes though, the memes coming out of the proof
Speaker 1: of life photograph are fucking brilliant.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: I'm funny as hell.
Speaker 1: So we don't know if he's alive or dead. I
Speaker 1: don't know anyone who wishes him alive. But we'll you know,
Speaker 1: we'll leave that one lafe for now, right, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about Ladybug later.
Speaker 2: One day. I'm going to stop giggling at that, but
Speaker 2: today is not that day.
Speaker 1: Hey. You mentioned an article from Alt Smart Houston's LGBTQ
Speaker 1: magazine titled seventeen seventy six to twenty twenty six The
Speaker 1: Moments that defined Lesbian, gay and Bisexual Rights in America,
Speaker 1: A timeline of the battles, breakthroughs, and setbacks that shaped
Speaker 1: LGBTQ life in the US. And I assume we are
Speaker 1: going to put that in the note Yes, folks to
Speaker 1: read on their road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot to get into here, but it's
Speaker 2: definitely an interesting list and I think everyone should take
Speaker 2: the time to go through it. So you were going
Speaker 2: to post it in the notes to this episode?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay?
Speaker 1: These are notes on American history and things like Harrie
Speaker 1: Hay in nineteen fifty launching the magazine Society. Harry Hey, right.
Speaker 2: The timeline of quote unquote sodomy laws being repealed.
Speaker 1: Right, Baird rust In the Daughters of Belitis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Stonewall, of course.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: They missed the the nineteen sixty five march in Philadelphia, but.
Speaker 2: They sure did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they sure did.
Speaker 2: It's not a it's there's always in any list, there's
Speaker 2: gonna be things, uh huh that.
Speaker 1: I look for that aren't there. Right, So, but Harvey Milk,
Speaker 1: it interesting the March on Washington for lesbian and gay rights. Yeah,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. So interesting piece.
Speaker 2: And when you check out the list, feel free to
Speaker 2: hit us up at ask Full Circle Pod at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com or visit our website, Full Circle Thepod dot
Speaker 2: com and let us know what should be on that list.
Speaker 1: That is that's missing. Yeah, because there's plenty, Yeah there is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay, ready, so let's take a quick break and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back and talk about good news.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: You want to slide into good news? I would, I
Speaker 1: would too. The New Jersey legislature he has passed a
Speaker 1: bill shielding reproductive and transgender healthcare providers. Let's see, they
Speaker 1: passed a bill on June thirtieth in both the Assembly
Speaker 1: and the Senate affirming crucial protections for reproductive and transgender
Speaker 1: healthcare in.
Speaker 2: The state, which is major.
Speaker 1: Yes, a coalition of organizations from across the state celebrates
Speaker 1: the bill, urging Governor Mike Y Cheryl to sign it
Speaker 1: into law immediately. My understanding is, while that has not
Speaker 1: happened yet, it is because there will be a ceremony
Speaker 1: a right since we it didn't happen in time to
Speaker 1: sign it, I guess for Pride Month and also have
Speaker 1: a signing ceremony. So I look forward to my our
Speaker 1: invitation to the signing of this bill. And I am
Speaker 1: not claiming near the work that so many, including our
Speaker 1: good friend Lauren Albrect at Garden State Equality put into Lauren, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lauren said. We want to express our gratitude to everyone
Speaker 1: who contributed to the passing of these critical protections. To
Speaker 1: every lawmaker, policy expert, healthcare provider, advocate, ally and individual
Speaker 1: who worked on this legislation over the years.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: Also, by passing this bill, the legislature has sent the
Speaker 1: message that bodily autonomy and access to medically necessary, best
Speaker 1: practice healthcare are New Jersey values. As other states and
Speaker 1: the federal government attack reproductive and trans healthcare, we have
Speaker 1: made it clear that the Garden State will protect both
Speaker 1: the life saving care itself and the people who provide it.
Speaker 1: Our priorities now will be to ensure Governor Cheryl swiftly
Speaker 1: signs this legislation and afterwards to educate healthcare providers on
Speaker 1: these new and bolstered protections.
Speaker 2: Love that the more I look around at the landscape
Speaker 2: and see what's going on with legislation and just the
Speaker 2: culture of politicization of lives, I'm realizing how lucky we
Speaker 2: are to live in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my god, I absolutely. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: as so many of you know, my trans siblings, especially
Speaker 1: kids you know, are scrambling and their families are moving, fleeing,
Speaker 1: you know, states they've spent their whole lives in because
Speaker 1: of politics, because of hateful Republicans and misinformation. I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of the state where I was born. Senate Majority
Speaker 1: Leader Teresa Ruiz, who I got to share this stage
Speaker 1: with in Trent, said Yesterday marked the end of a
Speaker 1: two year that again, speaking of this was on July first.
Speaker 1: Yesterday marked the end of a two year fight led
Speaker 1: by parents, advocates, and members of the LGBTQ plus community
Speaker 1: who refused to give up on Senate Bill twenty two
Speaker 1: to sixty, often in the face of significant fear and uncertainty.
Speaker 1: She was one of the bill's primary Senate sponsors. At
Speaker 1: the heart of this bill has always been the recognition
Speaker 1: that every person's humanity is unique, and no one should
Speaker 1: stand in the way of an individual's freedom to make
Speaker 1: decisions about their own body, health and future. As a mother,
Speaker 1: a policymaker, and a staunch ally, I look forward to
Speaker 1: seeing this critical measure signed into law so that patients
Speaker 1: can access the care they need without fear or intimidation,
Speaker 1: providers can continue doing their jobs without the threat of prosecution,
Speaker 1: and New Jersey can remain a beacon of inclusivity, compassion,
Speaker 1: and individual liberty for all. Indeed, this Shield Act, as
Speaker 1: I said, you know, it goes so far as to say,
Speaker 1: you know, there are consequences if you interfere right in
Speaker 1: people accessing reproductive care or gender affirming care, and.
Speaker 2: It's insane Jersey that that needs to be said.
Speaker 1: It is, but hey, it does do things need to
Speaker 1: be spelled out, and you know, delftly the language kept
Speaker 1: up with the nonsense. Our friend Kadijah Silver, civil rights attorney,
Speaker 1: director of Gender Justice and Health Equity Lawyers for Good Government.
Speaker 1: As other states and the federal government escalate efforts to
Speaker 1: criminalize and regulate legal healthcare beyond their borders, New Jersey
Speaker 1: has taken a critical step to protect patients, providers, and
Speaker 1: its own authority to govern the healthcare of its residents.
Speaker 1: New Jersey is drawing a clear line requiring health care
Speaker 1: providers in this state answer only to the laws that
Speaker 1: already govern them. As a tax on bodily autonomy, increasingly
Speaker 1: ignore state lines. Shield laws are becoming essential legal infrastructure
Speaker 1: for protecting patients and providers alike. The question is no
Speaker 1: longer whether their states will need shield laws, but how
Speaker 1: quickly they can build them in the face of eroding
Speaker 1: federal protections and interstate conflict over healthcare, we urge Governor
Speaker 1: Cheryl to sign this bill into law without delay, and
Speaker 1: New Jersey now joins fifteen states and Washington, d c.
Speaker 1: And passing such a shield law. This codifies the executive
Speaker 1: orders Governor Phil Murphy signed in twenty twenty three. Now
Speaker 1: it will be law.
Speaker 2: Damn was that long ago?
Speaker 3: It was?
Speaker 1: And you know the folks at Garden State Equality have
Speaker 1: been working on this for those whole three years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and going back and forth to the table. And you know,
Speaker 1: I have to say, it is all about bodily autonomy
Speaker 1: when we look at the bullshit since Rov. Wade was
Speaker 1: rescinded by the paid for Supreme Court, well the not
Speaker 1: so Supreme Court that you know, since that has happened,
Speaker 1: see women dying and near dying.
Speaker 2: Bleeding out and barking lots and ship right.
Speaker 1: Reproductive healthcare and gender affirming care are two sides of
Speaker 1: the same coin. This is all about bodily autonomy, yep,
Speaker 1: not just for trans people, for you know, everyone with
Speaker 1: a uterus. This protects our care. I'm so proud of
Speaker 1: my stay right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: Really truly good news. Its just share so uh, this
Speaker 1: is you know, out of the advocate. The Trump administration
Speaker 1: caves to public pressure after an avalanche of opposition to
Speaker 1: the anti trans hospital rule.
Speaker 2: And this kind of thing seems to be happening more
Speaker 2: often lately, like all these sweet things that he like
Speaker 2: spat out are now collapsing under the weight of public
Speaker 2: outrage and factual evidence and combinations thereof.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing, more than thirty thousand public
Speaker 1: comments helped derail an HHS proposal that threatened funding for
Speaker 1: hospitals providing gender firming care to transgender use. And the
Speaker 1: threat was, you know, we'll take away all of your
Speaker 1: Medicaid and Medicare funding, jeopardizing all the care you offer.
Speaker 1: This was their most extreme attempt to force hospitals nationwide
Speaker 1: to abandon gender firming care for transgender young people. Some bullyshit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is a rare and instructive victory against a
Speaker 1: federal government that has otherwise moved aggressively to dismantle trans rights.
Speaker 1: It's good news.
Speaker 2: It's great news.
Speaker 1: It's good news, you know, because here's what happens, so
Speaker 1: in conjunction with the Human Rights Campaign, because nearly twenty
Speaker 1: thousand of those letters came from HRC members and supporters,
Speaker 1: the Quality California said. Major medical groups, including the American
Speaker 1: Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Children's
Speaker 1: Hospital Association, also urged the administration to withdraw the rule.
Speaker 1: The public record created through the comment process can expose
Speaker 1: legal weaknesses and force agencies to confront evidence they would
Speaker 1: rather ignore and make a role more difficult to defend
Speaker 1: in court. And when there's this kind of backlash, you know,
Speaker 1: they realize they're going to spin their wheels and look
Speaker 1: like idiots. At least this time. At least this time
Speaker 1: it helped. It doesn't mean we get to rest, of course.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that they're not going to keep coming
Speaker 1: at us, because that's all they want to do. But
Speaker 1: they have walked away from this at this point. They're
Speaker 1: not going forward. They're not going to waste everyone's time
Speaker 1: this time. This would have imposed a new condition on
Speaker 1: hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid, and hospitals providing puberty blockers,
Speaker 1: hormone therapy, or certain surgeries to patients younger than eighteen
Speaker 1: could have been expelled from the federal insurance programs. Crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. This is all healthcare, it's life saving healthcare,
Speaker 1: and no politician belongs anywhere in this conversation. That's right.
Speaker 1: So kudos to everyone who wrote and took the time
Speaker 1: to stand up to these viciously cruel inhuman politicians. At
Speaker 1: least this time it mattered exactly, keep fighting, to keep
Speaker 1: standing together and keep fighting. What else we got? Oh?
Speaker 1: A federal judge, by the way, did shut down the
Speaker 1: Trump administration's attempt to get its hands on trans kids
Speaker 1: medical records.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, variation on a theme we have here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was just July sixth, and the judge cited
Speaker 1: Trump's attempts to identify, to demonize, and ultimately to eradicate
Speaker 1: an entire population of transgender people.
Speaker 2: But when we call you nazis, yeah, the problem with that.
Speaker 1: The federal judge issued a scathing ruling against the Trump
Speaker 1: administration as it tried to get Stanford University's hospital to
Speaker 1: turn over the private medical records of transgender miners. And
Speaker 1: this is covered in our shield laws now here in Jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the disclosure of such information would also out provisional class
Speaker 1: members as transgender to a federal government that, for more
Speaker 1: than a year has sought to identify, demonize, and ultimately
Speaker 1: eradicate an entire population. The US District Court Judge p
Speaker 1: Casey Hits, who was a Joe Biden appointee, wrote in
Speaker 1: his opinion when issuing a preliminary injunction against the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice's attempts to get the records. Hospitals are pushing
Speaker 1: back left and right, and good such disclosure and the
Speaker 1: attendant loss of privacy, chilling of doctor patient communications, and
Speaker 1: risk of governmental harassment cannot be undone. Yep, yep, love.
Speaker 2: This right, I love this Hippo still means something.
Speaker 3: For now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Many federal judges have been quashing these subpoenas for
Speaker 1: the past year, citing privacy concerns and the Doga's inability
Speaker 1: to show why it needs the records. But grand jury
Speaker 1: subpoenas are harder to quash, and some hospitals have been
Speaker 1: forced to turn over records. The nationwide campaign against trans
Speaker 1: kids has led to fears that the administ traation wants
Speaker 1: the records to build a database of transgender people for
Speaker 1: possible targeted oppression. Yeah, you know, you know, at least
Speaker 1: California families right now can breathe a sigh of relief.
Speaker 1: So once again the courts held and at least some
Speaker 1: of us were protected. Indeed, that's next Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this was cute. M Yeah. So this is.
Speaker 3: The end of.
Speaker 2: June, Governor JB. Pritzker of Illinois, just hours before he
Speaker 2: marched in the Chicago Pride Parade, signed three trans rights
Speaker 2: bills into law. So he just had like a theme day.
Speaker 2: The theme is free, Eat a Bitch.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it so yeah. So. HB five nine five
Speaker 2: solidifies the process for trans people to correct the gender
Speaker 2: marker on their IDs to male female or X. HB
Speaker 2: five four ninety two mandates that insurance companies cover up
Speaker 2: to a six month supply of prescribed hormone therapy, as
Speaker 2: well as quote the necessary supplies for self administration. Both
Speaker 2: of those laws will take effect on January first, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven, and then HB four eight three four updates
Speaker 2: the Illinois Prescription Monitoring Program to remove testosterone and prohibit
Speaker 2: the addition of estrogen for press stone and Misoprostall. Did
Speaker 2: I say those right?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: The law, effective immediately will prevent the database, which is
Speaker 2: used to prevent certain drugs from being over prescribed, from
Speaker 2: being abused to prevent folks from obtaining gender affirming and
Speaker 2: reproductive health care.
Speaker 1: Okay, he said.
Speaker 2: Today, I'm proud to sign landmark legislation expanding on my
Speaker 2: administration's work to make Illinois a safe, empowering, and inclusive
Speaker 2: place for the LGBTQ plus community. He made the statement
Speaker 2: on social media with my signature, we are a few
Speaker 2: steps closer to a state where all can live their
Speaker 2: lives without fear of hate. And then he posted a
Speaker 2: video of himself touting the bills as he prepared to
Speaker 2: march in Chicago's Pride Parade.
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: You do the work and then you have a party. Right,
Speaker 2: very cool and what's more queer than that?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the butt fucking but.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe a little bit stupid, but also true.
Speaker 1: So there was a sweet little article about the founder
Speaker 1: of Flags for Good, who we love.
Speaker 2: We have their products on all four corners around we do.
Speaker 1: Michael Green is the founder. They do have a storefront now,
Speaker 1: but he talked about, yeah, how their year is kind
Speaker 1: of built around pride. That's their Christmas. They started the
Speaker 1: company in twenty twenty selling exclusively Black Lives Matter flags. Well,
Speaker 1: that's right, but when he decided he wanted to secure
Speaker 1: the business long term, they added Pride flags. And this
Speaker 1: is relevant because they created the Pride flag for Stonewall
Speaker 1: with the National Parks logo that the Trump administration wanted
Speaker 1: to take down.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at them. And I had made a video.
Speaker 2: We have one of their flags, the banner in our
Speaker 2: driveway and it's the Philly Pride colors with the burn
Speaker 2: and black stripe, and each one has a different value.
Speaker 2: You know. Black lives matter, science is real.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I took a video of myself unfurling it for
Speaker 2: the first time and they use that video in their
Speaker 2: store for advertisement for a while.
Speaker 1: Gotta love that, ha hahaha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they asked for.
Speaker 1: Permission first, Yes they did, Yes, they did. He said
Speaker 1: he can think of no community that uses flags the
Speaker 1: way LGBTQ plus people do, word with seemingly endless designs,
Speaker 1: celebrating every conceivable identity. He says his team is all
Speaker 1: too aware of the constant debate over whether it is
Speaker 1: all too much for whom exactly we talk about yet
Speaker 1: all the time. At what point does it start taking away?
Speaker 1: At what point have you fragmented so much that you
Speaker 1: start fragmenting the community. There is no clear answer, but
Speaker 1: what is clear to Green is that LGBTQ plus people
Speaker 1: feel deep kinship with the flags that tout their specific identities,
Speaker 1: and they certainly do make quality broaduct they do.
Speaker 2: And then my question to the people who were saying,
Speaker 2: you know, does it take away? My question is why
Speaker 2: do you value tribalism more than freedom and expression?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Unsurprisingly, every Flags for Good employee identifies as some version
Speaker 1: of queer it. I am shocked, and Green said that
Speaker 1: in the company's home city of Indianapolis, there aren't many
Speaker 1: safe workplaces where queer people can show up as their full,
Speaker 1: uninhibited selves. While Green has thought about leaving a few times,
Speaker 1: joking that Flags for Good really belongs in a place
Speaker 1: like Boulder, Colorado, but he has realized that the store
Speaker 1: can make a bigger impact where it is by helping
Speaker 1: progressive folks in a red state.
Speaker 3: No, they are not alone.
Speaker 2: I love it. So they started in twenty twenty, so
Speaker 2: that means we were like early adopter.
Speaker 7: We were early adopter. Look at us Flag for Good. Hey,
Speaker 7: we love Flags for Good. And you know, if y'all
Speaker 7: wanted to sponsor this show, that will not be okay
Speaker 7: a problem with us.
Speaker 1: Because drop a jingle, you know, we will definitely tag
Speaker 1: you word up in the notes for this episode, what
Speaker 1: else we got a pride display created by little kids
Speaker 1: was set on fire. Sure, let's always look for the response.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The community is fighting back in full force. Yes, even
Speaker 1: Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow has gotten involved and that's.
Speaker 2: Why this is in good news.
Speaker 1: Yes, a community in East Toronto has come together to
Speaker 1: support the LGBTQ plus community after a student created pride
Speaker 1: display at an elementary school was set on fire. Hundreds
Speaker 1: of students from r H McGregor Elementary School helped create
Speaker 1: an intersex inclusive progress pride I look at that made
Speaker 1: from individual piece of fabric tied to the school's chain
Speaker 1: link fence. Jessica Tom, a parent of McGregor's students who
Speaker 1: helped organize the flag project, told CTV News that participation
Speaker 1: ranged from kindergarteners to fifth graders, with each grade level
Speaker 1: tying different fabric colors to the fence to create the
Speaker 1: flag image. The flag was set ablaze only days after
Speaker 1: its completion. Tom called it extra insulting that someone would
Speaker 1: destroy something created by children.
Speaker 2: What is missing in your soul?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: It's a representation of the inclusivity, kindness, respect and belief
Speaker 1: in community that are really foundational in our school and
Speaker 1: to see something like that destroyed, even though it's merely
Speaker 1: a symbolic thing, it really hurts. But the surrounding community
Speaker 1: is determined to show agbritqu Plus people they are perfect
Speaker 1: as they are. This is a good part, and parents
Speaker 1: and children alike have returned to the fence to add
Speaker 1: rainbow flags and uplifting signs like Phoenix's Rise from the
Speaker 1: Ashes and you Can't burn Love work. People have come
Speaker 1: and brought their pride flags from their houses. Tom said,
Speaker 1: people have gone out to get more pride flags.
Speaker 2: Probably from Flags for Good.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's been people who've brought ribbon. So I think
Speaker 1: the response is pretty clear and a desire to really
Speaker 1: show that level of support. Now, Tom and a coalition
Speaker 1: of other community members are advocating for a more permanent
Speaker 1: display of pride in the form of a rainbow crosswalk.
Speaker 1: A petition to Toronto Mayor Olivia chow teuts that parents,
Speaker 1: students and neighbors are coming together to make sure this
Speaker 1: act of hate is met with a louder, more visible
Speaker 1: show of love and inclusion, and we're asking our elected
Speaker 1: representatives at the city and provincial level to stand with us.
Speaker 2: You yeah, I love that and and there's a picture
Speaker 2: here of the uh of the original display before it
Speaker 2: was vandalized. It's so cute. And they did they picked
Speaker 2: the the Progress Pride flag that includes intersex individuals, like
Speaker 2: with the little circle in the in the yellow area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so fierce. It is, it's adorable. It was
Speaker 1: an hard installation and some.
Speaker 2: People and they put a lot of work into that
Speaker 2: because each of those colors is composed of, like we said,
Speaker 2: individual pieces of fabric and yeah, that's yeah, those cases
Speaker 2: did a lot of work. And some ass hat uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 2: because something is missing or broken inside of them that
Speaker 2: they just couldn't stand the sight of it.
Speaker 1: But imagine being that jackass that set FI to it,
Speaker 1: watching all those people show.
Speaker 3: Up with all those right, yeah, you are in the minority.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to find a way to sleep at
Speaker 2: night and your day is coming word.
Speaker 1: So trans service members challenging the military band, I've scored
Speaker 1: a major victory. A judge has ruled that their case,
Speaker 1: Talbot versus the USA, can proceed as a class action lawsuit,
Speaker 1: So that means suing for all of the damages. Yes,
Speaker 1: that we're done.
Speaker 2: I'll never get the first time I ever heard of
Speaker 2: someone bringing a lawsuit to the US itself. I believe
Speaker 2: it was Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam that
Speaker 2: brought a lawsuit to the USA, and I just thought
Speaker 2: that was the most like audacious thing I'd ever heard
Speaker 2: of it that point, and so every time it happens,
Speaker 2: I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do that shit right as we know. You know,
Speaker 1: Trump forced distinguished trans military members out of the military
Speaker 1: just because they're trans, and plaintiffs in the case seeking
Speaker 1: to overturn the ban on trans military service members scored
Speaker 1: a major victory with a ruling transforming the case into
Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit work. The ruling for class action
Speaker 1: certification allows plaintiffs to seek to extend protections one and
Speaker 1: Talbot v. Trump to all transgender service members currently serving.
Speaker 1: It also ensures that future rulings against the ban will
Speaker 1: apply to all members of the newly created class uh huh.
Speaker 1: It upheld a district court's preliminary injunction halting military separation,
Speaker 1: and Tuesday's decision allows attorneys in the case to seek
Speaker 1: its application to all transgender service members currently serving. There
Speaker 1: will be more process in court, said Michael Haley, as
Speaker 1: to have attorney for glad Law, which along with the
Speaker 1: National Center for LGBTQ Rights, represents the original plaintiffs. I
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to necessarily be under the impression that
Speaker 1: will win today means things on the ground change immediately.
Speaker 1: To military dot com, We'll have to look at the order,
Speaker 1: see what the order says and what it means going forward. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: application of previous wins for the original plaintiffs in the
Speaker 1: entire case of transgender service members will likely be challenged
Speaker 1: by the administration. One thing is clear. Any wins in
Speaker 1: this court will apply broadly work good, yep, good, because
Speaker 1: it's so arbitrary and hateful, with no basis other than
Speaker 1: degrading distinguished service members who happen to be transgender. It's
Speaker 1: nothing but ugliness, hate and petty, disgusting politics.
Speaker 2: Like how are you going to tout the the might
Speaker 2: of the US military out one sidi face yep, and
Speaker 2: then be so small and petty and childish. Well they
Speaker 2: do it all the time the other side, I know,
Speaker 2: but it's just like how to fuck hm hmm.
Speaker 1: Indeed, yeah, these are glimmers, you know, They're glimmers of
Speaker 1: light and I love highlighting them. Yeah, so good for them.
Speaker 1: Good for us indeed, and I'm happy for them. It's
Speaker 1: a long fight that they should not be involved. And
Speaker 1: to begin with that part, yeah, but we're made of
Speaker 1: better stuff than these idiots. So t that concludes the
Speaker 1: good news we collected for this particular episode. Yeah, leading
Speaker 1: us to a segment we like to call.
Speaker 8: People taking pleasure raal name yay.
Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned, Ladybug Senator Lindsey Graham has been
Speaker 1: mentioned in a viral post by a now transgender author,
Speaker 1: now outlely transgended author Jesse James Rose, who alleged with
Speaker 1: a hand raising emoji that Graham paid a quote twinkie
Speaker 1: pre transition college student of fat stack of cash for
Speaker 1: a meetup.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: We can only assume the NDA has died with.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, ladyg Is it wrong that I have that
Speaker 2: song from Sesame Street in my head about the Ladybug picnic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all said.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He died this past Saturday night, reportedly from a verdic dissection.
Speaker 1: The reaction from our community has of course been immediate,
Speaker 1: because we're like that, well we're like that when you
Speaker 1: are pretty obviously one of us, but you fight vehemently
Speaker 1: to oppose us to attack our rights and to bilddle
Speaker 1: us while you fuck us at night, right, or in
Speaker 1: this case, we fuck you read Lingerie was mentioned somewhere,
Speaker 1: let's say with little black dots. I'm guessing you know,
Speaker 1: and let's be clear. Throughout his tenure, Graham was a
Speaker 1: staunch opponent to the advancement of our civil rights, opposing
Speaker 1: marriage equality, advocating against the repeal of donats, don't tell,
Speaker 1: voting against workplace discrimination protections on transwrites. Specifically, he supported
Speaker 1: state level bands on gender firming care for minors. The
Speaker 1: bitter irony of this record is that Graham spent much
Speaker 1: of his political career denying rumors and speculation about his
Speaker 1: own sexual orientation, a task that became more difficult in
Speaker 1: the social media age. Indeed, some young queer people weren't
Speaker 1: made aware of the senator's death via a push notification
Speaker 1: from a publication. Instead, a now viral Instagram post from
Speaker 1: trans author and actress Jesse James Rose, in which she
Speaker 1: details an alleged experience of being paid by Graham for
Speaker 1: sex work prior to her gender transition while she attended college,
Speaker 1: ended up inadvertently being the way man he found out
Speaker 1: about his passing will. The author attended NYU holds a
Speaker 1: degree in music, theater and child and adolescent mental health studies.
Speaker 1: According to her bio, most of you know him as
Speaker 1: the homophobic senator from South Carolina, but to me, oh boy,
Speaker 1: he will always be the man who paid a twinkie
Speaker 1: pre transition college student of Batstacker cash to do unspeakable
Speaker 1: things to him in a hotel room while he wore
Speaker 1: red lingerie usspeakable. The sorry I keep crying during sex,
Speaker 1: author wrote in D three slide post, accompanied by a
Speaker 1: hand raising emoji. It is a canon trans event to
Speaker 1: have far right freaks bankrolling you and then turning around
Speaker 1: and voting against.
Speaker 2: You before turning around again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, people love to judge us for it, but I
Speaker 1: never see them opening their wallets shout out to sex
Speaker 1: workers everywhere forced to humanize their enemies just to make
Speaker 1: rent well. It is an absolute mind fuck to me
Speaker 1: that one of the reasons I have any semblance of
Speaker 1: financial security and the lack of student loans is because
Speaker 1: of this man.
Speaker 2: Burn the profits of your oppressors.
Speaker 1: Right, That's what that means.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what thank you.
Speaker 1: At the time I had no idea who he was,
Speaker 1: and I only figured it out because another group of
Speaker 1: twinks leaked Lady G to the media. Some queers tried
Speaker 1: to grandstand critique this, saying we shouldn't out people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe that's true. It is true, except in this case.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you exactly.
Speaker 1: And she said, I believe bigots with power deserve no
Speaker 1: peace or privacy, especially when they hold public office. I'm
Speaker 1: glad they did it icons forever. Yeah, I'm sorry. If
Speaker 1: you fuck us at night and then legislate against us
Speaker 1: during the day, expect to be outed.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I think it only took this long because, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: were probably NDA's place that did not follow him in. Right.
Speaker 2: You don't get to have peace when you're one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why being in is a thing in the
Speaker 2: first god damn place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He consistently denied being gay until the end of his life.
Speaker 1: When Chelsea Handler made insinuations about his sexuality online in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, he said, to the extent that it matters
Speaker 1: I'm not gay. The fuck you weren't, you know? And
Speaker 1: I love the meme that says there was never any
Speaker 1: allegation of sexual assault by women right toward Senator gream, No,
Speaker 1: not women.
Speaker 2: I'm not good with any here. Stop, I'm not gay, right?
Speaker 1: And he paid the boys. Yeah, and he paid the boys.
Speaker 3: We know this, We know this.
Speaker 1: You know it's I've long said, what's taking the ramp boys?
Speaker 1: So long?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 2: And yeah, probably I always assumed that was the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but evidently we're going to spill the t all
Speaker 1: over DC.
Speaker 2: What did I say? Is going to be an influx
Speaker 2: of tell all books with titles like Surviving the Ladybugs
Speaker 2: in the Ladybugs b.
Speaker 1: Let's see. This is not the first, though. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: porn performer Sean Harding posted online implying that an unnamed
Speaker 1: Republican senator had hired multiple gay sex workers, including him.
Speaker 1: People connected the story to Graham based on the nickname
Speaker 1: Lady g a code named sex workers in DC allegedly
Speaker 1: used to refer to the South Carolina legislator. We've known
Speaker 1: this for a while, and the nickname did follow Graham
Speaker 1: for what would turn out to be the final years
Speaker 1: of his life. Even right wing influencer and Trump ally
Speaker 1: Laura Lumer said that Graham was gay. While testifying under
Speaker 1: earth for a deposition several of President Trump's staff have
Speaker 1: told me in confidence that Lindsey Graham is gay, she
Speaker 1: said during the deposition, which she later defended it online,
Speaker 1: saying she did not want to perjure herself. I mean
Speaker 1: from space, Lindsey Grandma's gag.
Speaker 2: And if, for whatever reason, listeners, you don't know where
Speaker 2: the ladybugs thing comes from, We're not gonna tell that
Speaker 2: story here because iw however, it is easily googleable.
Speaker 3: I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, I fine, So I don't know.
Speaker 2: There is a story, one of the stories, one of
Speaker 2: the first stories that I heard, one of the Rent
Speaker 2: boys talks about how he came out of the bathroom
Speaker 2: to see Lindsey Graham on all fours uh huh, and
Speaker 2: he noticed that there were these black spots on his
Speaker 2: hind parts and so he like asked if he'd, like,
Speaker 2: you know, cleaned him, showered and cleaned while he was
Speaker 2: like yeah, And he asked him, like, do you mind
Speaker 2: if I wipe you down? He was like sure, And
Speaker 2: in so doing he realized that they were moles around
Speaker 2: his little balloon knot probably not so little, and he said, oh,
Speaker 2: those don't worry about that those are just my ladybugs.
Speaker 1: Oh I did hear this before I forgot I think
Speaker 1: I blocked it out like I'm going to do again.
Speaker 2: See, I offered to n.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that is that's where ladybug, those are just
Speaker 1: my ladybugs. Yes, and Dear God in Heaven.
Speaker 2: Every time I hear that in my head, I picture
Speaker 2: it in the voice of the gay bookstore owner on
Speaker 2: Family Guy. It's my ladybugs. Oh now, uh huh.
Speaker 1: So this is about calling out hypocrisy. Yes, this is
Speaker 1: about you know, a person so self loathing, yeah, that
Speaker 1: they will use their power to condemn us. Well, they
Speaker 1: desire us, and they fuck us and they pay us.
Speaker 1: They also work to obliterate us because something inside themselves
Speaker 1: is so deeply broken. And these are the people who
Speaker 1: will always deserve to be out. And I'm sorry not
Speaker 1: so if he was just openly gay, no one, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd work to protect his privacy.
Speaker 2: He was like the poster child for house faggotry.
Speaker 1: Right right, And you know I had a little respect
Speaker 1: for him, you know, back in what twenty sixteen when
Speaker 1: he was actually telling the truth about Donald Trump. But
Speaker 1: as soon as Trump actually won, right, Lindsey Graham. I
Speaker 1: guess he's a sub right, because God knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for five seconds we were trying to employ that
Speaker 2: the enemy of my enemy thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah no but child, no, no, no, So it just
Speaker 1: means we have eyes. What a wasted life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: What an ugly hypocritic legacy. See, and I don't know
Speaker 1: brought in hell.
Speaker 2: The only good thing he did was putting several sex
Speaker 2: workers through college's that he did. We'll take that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for that, Thanks for that. What was that?
Speaker 1: There was one meme that said something about he said
Speaker 1: something about, I don't think God is going to ask
Speaker 1: me about something, and the response was, maybe you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be assuming you're gonna see God, right, you know, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, yeah, you're not on this listen, good.
Speaker 1: Riddance, bye, bitch, ladybug. Yeah, and you would think he
Speaker 1: could afford a layer.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh my god. Yeah, it's a conversation piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's the thing. You know, when you don't
Speaker 1: have a personality, Yeah, every thing that happens now is
Speaker 1: so well deserved, so well deserved, and you know, if
Speaker 1: it humiliates your family and their family for generations, that's
Speaker 1: who you were right, that's what you did, right, that's
Speaker 1: the legacy you bill.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Welcome to it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, a man who threatened by Pride month's shooting was
Speaker 1: arrested for possession of guests child's ex abuse pictures and videos.
Speaker 2: That train is never late. Yeah, this is from the
Speaker 2: beginning of July.
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, he posted let's kill every single person in
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community online, but then he told law enforcement
Speaker 1: he was just.
Speaker 3: Trolling, bitch. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Actual crimes are yeah.
Speaker 1: Agents with the FBI's Field Office in San Juan have
Speaker 1: arrested a man on charges related to multiple threats of
Speaker 1: committing anti LGBTQ plus mass violence and possession of child
Speaker 1: sexual abuse material. This train is never ever late, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's these are the groomers people. Thank you here God
Speaker 1: in heaven.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 1: In February, the FBI San Juan Field Office counter Terrorism
Speaker 1: Program received an anonymous tip about a social media user
Speaker 1: who appeared to be planning a mass shooting targeting the community.
Speaker 1: According to an affidavid, the user had shared a tactical
Speaker 1: map showing a gay friendly bar in the metropolitan area
Speaker 1: of Puerto Rico. Agents were able to identify the user
Speaker 1: as Dela Cruz Yes. A search of his social media
Speaker 1: turned up multiple public posts dating back to at least
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. There was a photo of him pointing
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a firearm at the camera, along with.
Speaker 3: The phrase.
Speaker 1: Last thing you will see on Pride month in Spanish,
Speaker 1: he expressed admiration for the man who carried out the
Speaker 1: massacre at Pulse. In one post, he described me as
Speaker 1: a hero. In early June, he posted images of patches
Speaker 1: associated with neo Nazis, over which he had written let's
Speaker 1: burn the LGBTQ community to the ground. Hunting season is on.
Speaker 2: What a delightful human being.
Speaker 1: Right after issuing a search and seizure warrant for his
Speaker 1: Google accounts, they discovered as many as five hundred images
Speaker 1: that contained cartoon or artificial intelligence, created obscene visual representations
Speaker 1: of minor engagement in sexually explicit conduct, and seven videos
Speaker 1: of child sexual abuse. This is what these fucking sick
Speaker 1: puppies jerk off to when they're not busy hating us children.
Speaker 2: It never occurred to me until literally this moment, that
Speaker 2: you could use AI to make child.
Speaker 1: They do, Oh yeah they do. And I think they
Speaker 1: were looking for a loophole with it. But I think
Speaker 1: it's being treated the same because obviously it is.
Speaker 2: It never even occurred to me to put my brains
Speaker 2: also the other the things being a thing.
Speaker 3: But they do. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, the shit in his little callers
Speaker 1: went beyond. He charged with interstate communication of threats, receiving
Speaker 1: child sexual abuse material and receipt and possession of obscene
Speaker 1: visual representations of child sexual abuse. Ye're welcome, I Dela
Speaker 1: cruse and be fitting right. Your esteemed legacy as well.
Speaker 2: You belong in a cage.
Speaker 1: So happy Pride month, bitch that part.
Speaker 2: Well it's July, so now we're in wrath month.
Speaker 3: There we go. You want to do this song?
Speaker 2: He's fun, This is fun. I had to keep this
Speaker 2: on the list. So a couple of weeks ago, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump had himself. He threw himself a party because he
Speaker 2: was the only one that went his Great American State Fair.
Speaker 1: You would think he'd be tired of the birthday parties
Speaker 1: no one comes to. But anyway, I know, and Great
Speaker 1: American State Fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean it took place in a state.
Speaker 2: I guess that's the only Actually, no, it was in
Speaker 2: d C. Wasn't it. Dang, that's not really a state,
Speaker 2: is it? So none of those words are accurate.
Speaker 1: Apparently this is worse then it looked on TV. Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's Great American State Fair has been resoundingly mocked on
Speaker 1: social media for its low turn out, as well as
Speaker 1: the president's and his sec offants continued claims that the
Speaker 1: event is packed with people. One reporter, Slate's Molly Olmsted,
Speaker 1: decided to visit the fair and see for herself whether
Speaker 1: it is really as bad as it looks on TV,
Speaker 1: and her conclusion was it's worse.
Speaker 2: She said, I aimed to go down to the fair
Speaker 2: and find something unexpected. It seemed possible those photos were
Speaker 2: a matter of off hours, of poor angles or selective omission.
Speaker 2: But now we can confidently report that the Great American
Speaker 2: State Fair is a big old dud.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: No one wants to come to your beer can clan
Speaker 2: rally sir right.
Speaker 1: The fair was planned by Trump's Freedom two fifty task
Speaker 1: force No One's Happy right Now. It opened on June
Speaker 1: twenty fifth, ran through July tenth as part of the
Speaker 1: nation's two and fiftieth anniversaries celebration. It's more of an
Speaker 1: SOS call It's meant to be a World's Fair style event,
Speaker 1: showcasing the country's fifty six states and territories. It put
Speaker 1: too much emphasis on trumpeting magas successes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Instead of making partisan politics the backdrop, they made it
Speaker 1: the main focus, and in doing so had apparently forgotten
Speaker 1: that fairs are supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Fun, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: She described the state of deeply conservative vendors like Focus
Speaker 1: on the Family and Moms for America that pitched a
Speaker 1: godden country vision.
Speaker 2: No cotton, candy, no balloons.
Speaker 1: The booze from various federal agencies were hardly any more nonpartisans.
Speaker 1: The Treasury booth advertised Trump accounts, the US Department of
Speaker 1: Agriculture both greeted you with a poster of Trump pointing
Speaker 1: and declaring America is back, and the Education Department booth
Speaker 1: featured an advertisement for a patriotic museum that's a cracking
Speaker 1: good time tucking Nazis. Oh my god. That department, long
Speaker 1: a target of conservative iren, didn't even get a full booth.
Speaker 1: Half of its space had been given to the National
Speaker 1: Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She described watching board fairgoers struggle
Speaker 1: to pay attention to the MAHA, Monday would make America
Speaker 1: hate again.
Speaker 3: Monday. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be make America healthy again.
Speaker 1: Oh h events which were simply panels discussing various aspects
Speaker 1: of the movement in the content next to a state fair.
Speaker 1: These lectures couldn't hold the crowd's attention, decrying the overall
Speaker 1: pamphlet forward approach of the event like.
Speaker 2: Have ever been to a party?
Speaker 1: Jesus? The event felt empty. It wasn't the heat, uh oh,
Speaker 1: and it was only a little later attendance wise that
Speaker 1: day than the average.
Speaker 2: Olmstead pointed out that the clearly failed event was a
Speaker 2: nightmare for Trump, whose opening speech for the fair claimed
Speaker 2: the country is quote respected by everybody, and that nobody's
Speaker 2: laughing at us any more. Oh honey, they all please clap,
Speaker 2: and yet please clap. And yet the event quote made
Speaker 2: no attempt to emulate the most charming elements of fairs.
Speaker 2: It instead tried limply to spread a Trump rally across
Speaker 2: a one point five mile long fair ground. Oh dear
Speaker 2: God in Heaven, with some MAHA power points thrown in.
Speaker 2: As a result, it committed one of the worst crimes
Speaker 2: possible in the eyes of President Trump. It made Maga
Speaker 2: look boring.
Speaker 1: Here here, oh maggo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the place where fun goes to die.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Fox News continues to celebrate the thousands of people attending
Speaker 1: the fair. They even went so far as to tell
Speaker 1: viewers they shouldn't believe what they're seeing. The pictures don't
Speaker 1: really tell the full story because if you look behind us,
Speaker 1: you see, okay, there are a couple hundred people back there.
Speaker 1: But the truth is when you make your way over here,
Speaker 1: you're in this wash of people. He said. All the
Speaker 1: the empty grounds were directly behind. They didn't even try anymore.
Speaker 2: Not only was it not a wash of people, the
Speaker 2: people there weren't even.
Speaker 1: Washed, He claimed, the fair was packed with happy people.
Speaker 1: Your lies are just ms now. Anchor Nicol Wallace burst
Speaker 1: out laughing as she read, do you think that Obama
Speaker 1: or sleepy Joe Biden could have done it?
Speaker 2: The answer is no, no, because people would have shown
Speaker 2: up and had a good time.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm reading this, Wallas said, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a joke.
Speaker 2: Obama brings Beyonce.
Speaker 1: You're such a joke.
Speaker 2: You couldn't even work in us a popcorn machine.
Speaker 1: Nope, you all are a joke and.
Speaker 2: Ones of threes of people.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows that again, you idiot.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I kind of love it. Oh, oh
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah, a crime against fun.
Speaker 1: Once again, a party no one went.
Speaker 3: To.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be busy that day. I didn't even
Speaker 2: tell you what it is. It doesn't matter. We'll be
Speaker 2: busy that day and sick.
Speaker 1: So flow Rider apparently honored his commitment to play at
Speaker 1: the failing Great American State Fair. He had been included
Speaker 1: in the initial announcements of performers set to play gigs
Speaker 1: at the State Fair. However, the headline artists I guess
Speaker 1: besides him, including Martina McBride, Brett Michaels, The Commodore's Young
Speaker 1: MC and Millie Vuckin Vanilli, all canceled shortly after the
Speaker 1: event was announced, citing the political shadow over the event
Speaker 1: to celebrate America's two hundred and fifties. So you know,
Speaker 1: I guess once they got win that it was nothing
Speaker 1: but a big Trump they all left.
Speaker 2: You couldn't even get Millie Vanilli to come, and one
Speaker 2: of them's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except flow Rider made sure nobody thought he was
Speaker 1: signaling his support for Trump and the Republican party by
Speaker 1: performing at the event. Via a post on social media.
Speaker 1: On the same night he electrified the crowd. On the
Speaker 1: Mall Crowd, he formally endorsed a Democrat running for Congress
Speaker 1: on his million strong Instagram.
Speaker 2: Well, apparently, like no one came for the main event,
Speaker 2: but like his performance actually had a crowd.
Speaker 1: Flow Ryder and Vanilla Ice I know the only acts
Speaker 1: who did not pull out of the event. While Vanilla
Speaker 1: Ice addressed the controversy around performing for Trump, flow Ryder
Speaker 1: remained silent on his appearance. The closest he came to
Speaker 1: making a statement was a post on June first, where
Speaker 1: he did not mention Trump by name, but said, regardless
Speaker 1: of all the noise in the world, we can still
Speaker 1: choose every day to be positive and share good news.
Speaker 1: That all ended when he appeared on the stage for
Speaker 1: his free performance at the State Fair, he addressed the
Speaker 1: gravity of the occasion. During the show, he told the
Speaker 1: crowd America's birthday. This is something I don't take for granted.
Speaker 1: This is something that's going down in history. To be
Speaker 1: here tonight, so to come out here and show my
Speaker 1: gift and understand what purpose is gift, Understand what the
Speaker 1: assignment is it's only right that we come out and
Speaker 1: spread contagious love. Unlike most attractions at the event, flow
Speaker 1: Rida managed to draw a large audience, as seen in
Speaker 1: footage shared by the fair organizers.
Speaker 2: Because white people love that damn song.
Speaker 1: One attendee said. The rapper invited audience members on stage
Speaker 1: and handed out flowers unsigned sneakers. The state fair has,
Speaker 1: of course been dogged by lackluster attendants, a brutal heat
Speaker 1: wave and environmentally damaging fireworks, as well as visibly melted,
Speaker 1: botched repairs on Trump's wrap.
Speaker 3: Look up, arch.
Speaker 2: I was ready to clown Flow right up for participating.
Speaker 1: Is that why you posted this and shot?
Speaker 2: Well? Because he used the stage to endorse a Democrat
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the reason why I kept it, because I
Speaker 2: was like, really, they dug you out of obscurity for
Speaker 2: this shit, but then he used it for good, so okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he endorsed Democrat Bernard Taylor. He was running for
Speaker 1: election to the US House to represent Florida's twenty first
Speaker 1: in Congressional d That's actually.
Speaker 2: Kind of awesome. Yeah, And Vanilla Ice, he didn't got
Speaker 2: no integrity. He just shows up because you ask him to.
Speaker 2: You give him twenty dollars a ride home and maybe
Speaker 2: a snack, and he'll sing his one little song for
Speaker 2: you probably.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, it's a joke. The whole thing is
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah, it's a ridiculous failure, as is our
Speaker 1: resident in the White House. That mother photo. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 1: oh wait, let's see what am I reading? Vanilla isis
Speaker 1: show was canceled two hours before he was due to
Speaker 1: perform at an I Love the Nineties concert due to
Speaker 1: inclement weather.
Speaker 2: Oh right, even God didn't want him to perform.
Speaker 1: The fair was closed for the remainder of the day
Speaker 1: for safety.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, so we could be safe from Vanilla.
Speaker 1: And just to put a bow on it. Trump has
Speaker 1: reportedly been livid about the poor attendants at the fair,
Speaker 1: and some White House officials who shared revealing photos from
Speaker 1: his speech were even told to lead them. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, fuck all, y'all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's just as well though, because Vanilla ICE's song Ice
Speaker 2: Ice Baby has been co opted by people who use
Speaker 2: it to talent immigrants.
Speaker 1: Hawks News is token liberal commentator Jessica Tarlov. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was quick to poke fun at the absence of
Speaker 1: crowds at the Great American State Fair. She's a Democratic
Speaker 1: Party strategist co host of The Five visited the fair
Speaker 1: while co hosting a special broadcast from the site with
Speaker 1: colleagues Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfield, Dana Perino, and Joey Jones.
Speaker 1: Plenty of room at the state Fairs, she wrote in
Speaker 1: one post on the side of a photo of a
Speaker 1: completely empty field. She also posted a video telling viewers,
Speaker 1: I'm at the State Fair. It is as empty as advertised.
Speaker 1: It is also so hot that it's not really safe
Speaker 1: to be out of here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: That Thursday was the hottest July second on record, with
Speaker 1: afternoon temperatures above one hundred degrees and extreme heat warning
Speaker 1: was in effect throughout the day.
Speaker 2: Even the tumbleweeds that were rolling through went home. Early.
Speaker 1: Fox News inadvertently drew attention to the lack of crowds,
Speaker 1: with Michael Estemy reporting live from the fair and streaming
Speaker 1: just how hot it was. The current temperature outside right now,
Speaker 1: by the way, one hundred one degrees a factor in
Speaker 1: the humidity, and it feels like one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: right now. But let me tell you something that does
Speaker 1: not stop our true patriots, he continued, as the camera
Speaker 1: panned over a largely empty field with some two dozen
Speaker 1: visitors visible in frame. Backtracking slightly, he noted that the heat,
Speaker 1: though certainly keeping the crowds at bay well at the
Speaker 1: same time claiming that plenty of folks are still braving
Speaker 1: the heat.
Speaker 2: So it was more than I thought.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: Fours of sixes of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's say, Oh god, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: It's all so sad. It's also sad. Oh so a
Speaker 1: resounding joke across the board.
Speaker 2: It was met with a resounding wall wall for.
Speaker 1: The hated president with the dirty diapers. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: and this has been your moment of.
Speaker 8: Etoia people taking pleasure Raal nine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know right, cathartic it was. So
Speaker 1: it's been a minute. What is the current fifteen minute favor?
Speaker 1: You got one? And where to come from?
Speaker 2: I think I know, I do, I think I know.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: My name is Charles Tyson Junior, and I have a problem.
Speaker 2: I can't stop listening to this damn song. I haven't
Speaker 2: gone where did you come across this song? I haven't
Speaker 2: gone a day in three weeks without listening to it.
Speaker 2: It comes from the soundtrack of the current hit television
Speaker 2: series The Vampireless Stats. So a big part of the
Speaker 2: story of the vampirelest stat is that he awakens from
Speaker 2: his one hundred of year's slumber and becomes a rock star.
Speaker 2: And there's a soundtrack that's released as a campaign to
Speaker 2: the show when they release a new track with every
Speaker 2: every episode, and this one it's so good. It's called
Speaker 2: The Loneliness, and it just it was a fifteen minute
Speaker 2: fave before the episode was over, and I can't go
Speaker 2: a single day without listening to it or singing it.
Speaker 2: It's it's I think I have a problem.
Speaker 1: Well let's all find out together as we go out
Speaker 1: to the break.
Speaker 2: With the Loneliness by the Vampire listad.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 9: You can't fuck away, wait till you done, till you
Speaker 9: you can come. You can't wait.
Speaker 8: The os, It'll wait till the next day.
Speaker 9: Like a heading sucking you drive.
Speaker 8: You can't say this look mass it'll say what a mess?
Speaker 1: How a boy?
Speaker 2: Don't hide it up?
Speaker 10: Way, don't bury those feeling, don't wrship that.
Speaker 2: Done on, don't burn.
Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back at a so a that
Speaker 1: song leaves me damp.
Speaker 2: But sad, and who amongst us has not found ourselves
Speaker 2: in such a state right at some point or another,
Speaker 2: I'm confused, fair fair enough.
Speaker 1: That was a four day break, by the way, it
Speaker 1: is now Sunday, July nineteenth, and heart seriously, So, as
Speaker 1: we started this episode, we found out that we had
Speaker 1: tickets to see Cats the Jellico Ball, and last night
Speaker 1: we did just that. Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So I think it went like something like this Jelicle
Speaker 2: Cats and then it started crying, and then it didn't.
Speaker 1: Stop, and then you did stop. Yeah, And at intermission
Speaker 1: you went to the restroom and Elizabeth and I had
Speaker 1: a moment with Cameron Mannheim.
Speaker 2: Yes, who was one of the celebrity guests.
Speaker 1: She was sitting directly like right across the aisle from me, yes,
Speaker 1: and they introduced her and she did go up on
Speaker 1: stage with Ray Meagan, who was the singer Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and they were the celebrity judges for the evening. And
Speaker 1: I said to Elizabeth, that's Cameron Mannheim and she she
Speaker 1: just like had a moment of who's that? And I
Speaker 1: showed her a slightly older picture and Elizabeth, oh my god, right, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, and she's in Susan Warner's promo video and
Speaker 1: I remembered that I had forgotten all about this. Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to go say hello, And before I knew it,
Speaker 1: we were saying hello, up, and which is time? Anytime
Speaker 1: you spend with Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: And I come back and you're like showing me pictures
Speaker 2: of hanging out with Cameron.
Speaker 1: She said, oh, my god, let's take a picture and
Speaker 1: send it to her. Well, it wound up being a
Speaker 1: little video of us saying hey to Susan.
Speaker 2: Because she was taking videos of a photo. Yes, was
Speaker 2: taking a video, and She's like, okay, let's say hi.
Speaker 1: So we said hi. That was incredible. I did fangirl.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to interrupt her time there because you know, Broadway,
Speaker 1: but she was lovely and I did fangirl because Cameron Mannheim,
Speaker 1: you know, spent many years as an actress of size
Speaker 1: and really carved a niche for herself for smart women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just love her work.
Speaker 2: I've always enjoyed her.
Speaker 1: You know, she has I read up, you know, because
Speaker 1: she has lost quite a bit of weight and the
Speaker 1: old fashioned way, you know, diet, exercise and all of that,
Speaker 1: and she looks terrific.
Speaker 3: She does.
Speaker 1: At first, I didn't recognize her at first in profile,
Speaker 1: and then I was like, and then after they introduced her,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, I am such a fan
Speaker 1: and I did manage to say that much. And then
Speaker 1: we you know, let her be right. That was just
Speaker 1: the first little thing that happened. And then afterwards, well
Speaker 1: you can talk about if you want to.
Speaker 2: So it turns out that Elizabeth happens to be old friends.
Speaker 2: They go way back with one of the stars of Cats,
Speaker 2: Agelica Ball.
Speaker 1: Someone argue these stars.
Speaker 2: Some would argue these star He goes by the name
Speaker 2: of andre To fucking Shields. That was just me andre
Speaker 2: To Shields, who I have been a huge fan of
Speaker 2: since I I was how old are you in fifth grade? Ten?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I guess so since I was like that ten years old,
Speaker 2: I have been a huge fan of Andrea Shields. And
Speaker 2: so apparently Elizabeth had texted him and was like and
Speaker 2: told him that and asked if it was okay if
Speaker 2: we had a little moment, and apparently it was because
Speaker 2: after the show we were told to hang out near
Speaker 2: the stage door. We were given we were put on
Speaker 2: the list and given wristbands, and then someone came and
Speaker 2: collected us and we went not to meet Andrea Shields,
Speaker 2: and I got to tell him that he's an inspiration
Speaker 2: to me. And I said, I wasn't going to cry,
Speaker 2: but I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was. He could not have been
Speaker 1: more lovely or more gracious, I know. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were kind of trying to rush ourselves out just
Speaker 1: because you know, he in fairness, the man is eighty
Speaker 1: years old and he did two shows yesterday and this
Speaker 1: was at the end of the second one, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was up for a visit which was incredible, just incredible,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, just blurreted out that our our
Speaker 1: friend Gregory King wrote an amazing essay which we will
Speaker 1: link to in this episode. Wrote an amazing piece about
Speaker 1: Jelicable canceling early last performance at August eighthly closing early
Speaker 1: and well they had announced an extended run and then
Speaker 1: canceled them. And really excellent thought provoking piece that you
Speaker 1: had you messaged Gregory about. We will be interviewing him
Speaker 1: tomorrow Monday, Yes, and get that episode out as well, well,
Speaker 1: talking about you know, this piece that really examines what
Speaker 1: closes and what gets to hang around, right, and the
Speaker 1: fact that it's not just about money, so it will
Speaker 1: be a very interesting conversation. Andre said, please do send
Speaker 1: me that article. So I have his phone number on
Speaker 1: my phone now and I did send the article and
Speaker 1: he said, I'm I just read that and I'm sharing
Speaker 1: it on social media, so squee. We sent that to
Speaker 1: Gregory so he would know. But it really is a
Speaker 1: great piece and it's going to be a great interview
Speaker 1: because there is such a larger conversation to be had
Speaker 1: the other person that we ran into while we waited
Speaker 1: to you know, we were let inside backstage, and then
Speaker 1: as we were waiting, Temptress Chastity Moore, who is an
Speaker 1: amazing Zabella trans woman who played Grizabella roots very much
Speaker 1: in Ballroom but apparently has not been on stage for
Speaker 1: about twenty years, saying the literal fuck had a memory
Speaker 1: and the song never made me cry before I was
Speaker 1: bawling because there was a moment, you know, Grizabella kind
Speaker 1: of looks crazy and in the beginning and a bag
Speaker 1: lady basically, and there's a character trying to remember the
Speaker 1: character's name. Syllabus syllabus sibylists, Sibylists syllabus sibylists. I think anyway,
Speaker 1: there's a moment and oh and you rightly picked out
Speaker 1: We thought for a moment that the costume was an
Speaker 1: homage to Marcia P. Johnson because there was a ring
Speaker 1: of flowers, but you saw.
Speaker 3: What it really was.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was like, oh, wait, that is the cover
Speaker 2: of the book All Boys Aren't Blue.
Speaker 1: Yes it is, Yes it is.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and you know, it's a fierce
Speaker 2: intentional reference either way. But once you realize you know
Speaker 2: it's the book cover, it makes everything else about the
Speaker 2: character makes so much more sense.
Speaker 1: Right right transferm Human Teddy Wilson Jr. Syllabub Syllabub syllabub
Speaker 1: and you know pink overalls, which I think is also symbolic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know the crown of sunflowers. And there was
Speaker 1: a moment where Syllabub had had tried at the end
Speaker 1: of the first act to present Grizabella with a gown,
Speaker 1: and she kind of brushed the young person away, and
Speaker 1: then you know in the second act she's she's in
Speaker 1: the gown, and there was a moment between the two
Speaker 1: of them that made me burst into tears, saying, because
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with Elizabeth, with whom you know, run
Speaker 1: Transformation Collective. We have been doing this work together for
Speaker 1: the last six years, and you know, Elizabeth extends well
Speaker 1: beyond that in terms of you know, mutual transsupport and
Speaker 1: discussion and aid. And that moment sort of summarized for
Speaker 1: me what we do and it was just I cried
Speaker 1: through the whole fucking the I cried and cried because
Speaker 1: it was beautiful.
Speaker 2: It was That's why I was sobbing. At first. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this exists places.
Speaker 1: To show that should run for years.
Speaker 2: I agree. Like the fact that, like the fact that
Speaker 2: it was happening in front of me, just made me
Speaker 2: cry because it was so beautiful, seeing all these like
Speaker 2: beautiful full queer black and brown like trans feme just
Speaker 2: all these wonderful people and killing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Elizabeth and I got to have a conversation
Speaker 1: with Chassidy that was totally unexpected. What a gift, you know,
Speaker 1: And I said, enjoy every moment of this. Just soak
Speaker 1: it in because she got a long standing ovation for
Speaker 1: it and I could feel her soaking it in.
Speaker 2: We may or may not have help facilitate that standing
Speaker 2: ovation because we're all screaming our full heads off, and
Speaker 2: I look around, like, why is everyone sitting? And then
Speaker 2: I started to get up, and then everyone.
Speaker 1: Else we've stood up, and we stood up. I could
Speaker 1: not stand up exactly. It was just amazing and so
Speaker 1: well deserved, and you know, of course the entire cast.
Speaker 1: This is such a celebration of black, queer and trans
Speaker 1: excellence and enjoy and creativity and oh my god, what
Speaker 1: a show.
Speaker 2: I'm looking around like all of your Broadway stars now
Speaker 2: and as it fucking should be. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Just and you know the show has You can enjoy
Speaker 2: the show no matter who you are. But if you know,
Speaker 2: if you know ballroom and if you know queer, black
Speaker 2: and brown folks, there are moments that it's like, oh
Speaker 2: that was for us, that was like and my favorite
Speaker 2: is a line I never thought I would hear in
Speaker 2: a Broadway show. I thought it was kind.
Speaker 1: Like it was okay, right, So yeah, wow, just what
Speaker 1: a night.
Speaker 2: What a night.
Speaker 1: So sorry to see it close. We're going to do
Speaker 1: everything we can to at least have this conversation a
Speaker 1: little bit differently than Andrew. Lloyd Weber is trying to
Speaker 1: have this conversation, which we'll.
Speaker 3: Talk about later.
Speaker 1: I was so moved and so thrilled all night, just
Speaker 1: all night. It was captivating. This was elizabeth second time
Speaker 1: saying it. She told me I want to go back,
Speaker 1: and we had tickets to go on your birthday, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned top of the show. But this all worked out.
Speaker 2: Yeahsing The new closing date is now a week before
Speaker 2: when we would have.
Speaker 1: Gone exactly exactly the weekend before. What a show, what
Speaker 1: a night, what a filled with bonuses, you know. And
Speaker 1: then this morning it's surreally texting with Susan Warner and
Speaker 1: then Andre de Shields.
Speaker 2: And we're talking and I'm just sitting there like, look at.
Speaker 1: Us, and I was like, you know, whos on the
Speaker 1: other end of this text right right? And sharing photos
Speaker 1: from the evening and just relishing at it all.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: I am so grateful we got to do that. And
Speaker 1: you know, as much as I loved meeting Andrea, seeing
Speaker 1: you meet Andre is what's going to stick with me forever.
Speaker 1: I'm so so thrilled you got to do that me too.
Speaker 2: And tonight I got to go back to work and
Speaker 2: act like my entire life hasn't been changed, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So more to come, Like I said, we will
Speaker 1: be talking to Gregory. We will try to get this
Speaker 1: episode and then that episode, or however this works out
Speaker 1: out as quickly as possible. I believe you've had time
Speaker 1: during the break to edit up until the day. Sad
Speaker 1: fifteen minute.
Speaker 2: Fave, damp and sad might be the working title to
Speaker 2: this episode so far.
Speaker 1: There's my basement, folks, both of them in the never Mind,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna never Mind.
Speaker 2: Shall huge celebration.
Speaker 1: Of just again, excellence and joy and I can't say enough.
Speaker 1: If you have any opportunity to get there, get run,
Speaker 1: don't walk, joke, get there.
Speaker 2: And we were in the second row.
Speaker 1: We were in the second row, Yes we were.
Speaker 2: But I feel like there's not a bad seat for
Speaker 2: this show because you know, we're up front, so we
Speaker 2: get all the characterization in the side comments. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: if you're up a little further, you get to see
Speaker 2: all the choreography in the formations, like there's there's a
Speaker 2: reason to be in every.
Speaker 1: Well, we saw all of it. Yeah, we saw everything
Speaker 1: from right there next to Cameron Manheim. Brilliant seats, brilliant
Speaker 1: And it was a fluke that they were available and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth grabbed them. Happy Anniversary, happy Birthday, og anniversary, Andy
Speaker 1: and birthday indeed and thank you. Yes, yes, and Kathy
Speaker 1: couldn't go with us, but I did get her a
Speaker 1: fan and an autographed playbill, So yes, I think I
Speaker 1: made up for and we missed her. I think she
Speaker 1: would have loved that, truly our typical Broadway pal.
Speaker 2: I'm I wish uh my dearly departed bestie Christina could
Speaker 2: have been around so I could tell her that we
Speaker 2: met camera or that we that Cameron Mannheim was in
Speaker 2: the building.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, oh we met her. We have photographic evidence,
Speaker 1: it's true, of the three of us together. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel lighter, So do I in all the michigas and
Speaker 1: bullshit which we are about to get to. Had we
Speaker 1: had just an amazing, amazing Saturday. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this next part, but I do because these
Speaker 1: are conversations we've been sitting on for a bit. So
Speaker 1: without further ado, it is time for the cavalcade of
Speaker 1: complete and utter fucking nonsense.
Speaker 9: Boo.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, an article came out this was uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Reid, Thank God for Aaron Reid. After the trans
Speaker 1: athlete bands, the Heritage Foundation now sets its sights on
Speaker 1: dismantling Title nine. Raise your hand if you didn't see
Speaker 1: this coming and warn others anyway, anyone? Ber uh huh?
Speaker 1: And you know, in light of recent anti trans athlete
Speaker 1: rulings from the bought and paid for Supreme Court, well,
Speaker 1: a senior member of the Heritage Foundation is imagining a
Speaker 1: future that looks a lot like the past. One where
Speaker 1: a key provision of Title nine, a foundational law preserving
Speaker 1: gender equality, is gutted. Yeah, One where women in sports
Speaker 1: and in academia are sidelined in deference to men. Imagine
Speaker 1: one where trans people don't exist at all. Title nine's
Speaker 1: failed experiment, Why accommodating sex differences beats engineered parody is
Speaker 1: authored by Boise State University professor doctor Scott Jenner yenor
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, doesn't matter his name. Relying on sexist stereotypes,
Speaker 1: it calls for the government to let some schools dismantle
Speaker 1: competitive women's athletics, which is already comparatively under resourced. But
Speaker 1: we care about women's sports, uh, they don't, and let
Speaker 1: women funnel into more feminine physical activities like yoga, hiking clubs,
Speaker 1: and team cheerleading.
Speaker 2: Instead of what meeting contests while rolling in the mud.
Speaker 2: Fuck you.
Speaker 1: Experts have been sounding the alarm about this threat since
Speaker 1: the inception of Project twenty twenty five and before the
Speaker 1: far rights political playbook spearheaded by the dark money of
Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation.
Speaker 2: I'm looking for the quote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this dude is, by the way, a senior
Speaker 1: research fellow at Heritage. In his spare time, he's a
Speaker 1: member of a secretive Christian nationalist group that's paid homage
Speaker 1: to the africaner nationalist movement white supremacists of apartheid era
Speaker 1: South Africa. According to The Guardian, Wow Yeah. At the
Speaker 1: National Conservatism Conference in twenty twenty one, he said in
Speaker 1: no uncertain terms that women ought to be relegated to
Speaker 1: the home and be subordinate to men. He detailed what
Speaker 1: he sees as the evils of feminism, labeled independent women
Speaker 1: as medicated, meddlesome and quarrelsome, and decried college and universities
Speaker 1: as the citadels of our gayna cocracy per ap.
Speaker 3: He said, if.
Speaker 1: We want a great nation, we should be preparing young
Speaker 1: women to become mothers, not finding every reason for young
Speaker 1: women to delay motherhood until they are established in a
Speaker 1: career or sufficiently independent. If every Nobel Prize winner is
Speaker 1: a man, that's not a failure. It's kind of a
Speaker 1: for celebration. Yeah, this is the great mind behind this shit.
Speaker 2: This motherfucker is married.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is only the most recent evidence that
Speaker 1: legal theories that rely on anti trans talking points are
Speaker 1: carefully crafted to undermine civil rights of protections generally, Zane McNeil,
Speaker 1: a legal fellow at Lawyers for Good Government, told Erin
Speaker 1: in the Morning. Although some of its arguments may seem
Speaker 1: far fetched, the theories espoused by the Heritage Foundation have
Speaker 1: a tendency to show up in federal policy. For instance,
Speaker 1: the Hertist Foundation was one of the main organizations behind
Speaker 1: the Conservative Policy Blueprint Project twenty twenty five, which now
Speaker 1: has more than fifty percent implemented by the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. I told you well, and
Speaker 1: I am so fucking tired of TERFs for real academic
Speaker 1: lesbians who will bend over backwards to make the language
Speaker 1: wrap around this kind of bullshit. I ran into another
Speaker 1: one just last week, and it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: and who actually had a tussle with a friend and
Speaker 1: accuse my friend of being performative And the real misogynist
Speaker 1: in the conversation because she just loves trans people while
Speaker 1: she creates spaces that are trans exclusive. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: love me, you don't know, and I don't want your love.
Speaker 1: Right and at a time when we have been telling
Speaker 1: you that an attack on trans women is an attack
Speaker 1: on all women, and you say, Pisha, right, we're the
Speaker 1: ones who are right in this, and stop pointing the
Speaker 1: finger at us, acting as if if we didn't exist,
Speaker 1: somehow your life would be better, because you are allowing,
Speaker 1: in fact, you're participating in defining women by their genital configuration,
Speaker 1: which I thought is what feminism was against right in
Speaker 1: the first place. So, yeah, it's happening. It's there.
Speaker 2: We've fucking told you.
Speaker 1: Yeah we did, we did. Even some Democrats have adopted
Speaker 1: this harmful rhetoric. Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate for the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six fucking elections, Amy Acton, became just the latest
Speaker 1: on the left to turn on trans children, referring to
Speaker 1: transgender girls as quote boys playing in girls sports Democrats
Speaker 1: and saying she disagreed with it on the grounds of
Speaker 1: kids health and safety. Bullshit exactly. She joins the ranks
Speaker 1: of Congressman sess multon from Massachusetts Congressman Tom Swase of
Speaker 1: New York and California Governor Gavin Newsom on that front, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this was only a step toward a broader attack on women.
Speaker 1: And the more you ignore the attack on trans women,
Speaker 1: the more all women and their rights are in peril.
Speaker 2: But he's good to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so've we've heard about the kerfuffle in Florida with
Speaker 1: the Irish dance competition. Ch'all yeah, Florida Republicans, of course,
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to enter the conversation because there was
Speaker 1: a trans girl who was going to compete. There was
Speaker 1: a coordinated campaign by the Florida Attorney General, James Uthmeyer
Speaker 1: to Republican members of Congress and Concerned Women for America,
Speaker 1: and as a result of the kerfuffle, the trans teenager
Speaker 1: ultimately withdrew from the Irish dance competition in Orlando. Now
Speaker 1: everyone was celebrating the fact that they did, in fact
Speaker 1: stand behind the trans girl and they fully intended to
Speaker 1: let her compete no matter what. Right this is true, which, yes,
Speaker 1: that's nice. Don't hold your ship in Florida. Well, then
Speaker 1: there's that don't hold your shit in Florida. In the
Speaker 1: first goddamn place. If you actually care about trans people,
Speaker 1: the only thing that gets through their heads is economic punishment. Truly,
Speaker 1: and if you really care about trans people, you will
Speaker 1: not hold large conferences in the state of Florida, or
Speaker 1: the state of Texas, or frankly, in any red state
Speaker 1: at this point, right reward the blue states where everyone
Speaker 1: is welcome and safe, and we alleviate the problem, and
Speaker 1: fuck them when they start crying about tourism. You can't
Speaker 1: have it both ways, or at least you shouldn't. We
Speaker 1: saw this in action way back when North Carolina first
Speaker 1: tried this shit with trans people in bathrooms, and the response.
Speaker 2: Was swift, yeah and acute yep.
Speaker 1: And they rescinded it yep. But now look where we are,
Speaker 1: so you know, this fuckery isn't going to end until
Speaker 1: people stop spending money in these states.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: As I was sitting down today to record, I read
Speaker 1: that the United Methodist Church's Oregon Idaho Conference has voted
Speaker 1: to move twenty seven annual conference out of Idaho Boom,
Speaker 1: saying recent state laws have made some transgender and non
Speaker 1: binary members feel unsafe. Rightly, so look at what they're threatening.
Speaker 1: Imagine it's against you. You want to go to that conference,
Speaker 1: I don't. The conference had already planned to return to
Speaker 1: Boise next year. Instead, delegates approved emotion directing church leaders
Speaker 1: to find a new location that is safer for all now.
Speaker 1: Of course, the people that are there, like the Reverend
Speaker 1: Jenny Hirst, an outreach pastor and Boisey, urged delegates to
Speaker 1: remain in Idaho, saying the state needs the witness and
Speaker 1: solidarity of the wider church now more than ever, except
Speaker 1: you're rewarding this behavior with money. She acknowledged the fear
Speaker 1: of many trans Idahoans are experiencing, but argued that leaving
Speaker 1: could unintentionally isolate the very communities the church hopes to support.
Speaker 1: Your state is isolating them. Dear moving a conference. The
Speaker 1: punishment in that is financial. It's financial to these miscreants
Speaker 1: that keep passing these laws in the first place. The
Speaker 1: Reverend Dwayne Anders, a senior pastor at Boise's Cathedral of
Speaker 1: the Rockies, shared that his own transgender child left Idaho
Speaker 1: because they no longer felt safe living there. Even so,
Speaker 1: he encouraged delegates to keep the conference in Boise, saying
Speaker 1: the gathering could have become a political demonstration of support
Speaker 1: for LGBTQ Idahoans while creating opportunities to engage lawmakers and
Speaker 1: local communities. Do that with your church, sir.
Speaker 2: So your child didn't just leave Idaho. They left Idaho
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Or something, sir. Supporters of the move pointed to Idaho's
Speaker 1: recent laws affecting transgender people, including the state's bathroom law,
Speaker 1: although enforcement has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge
Speaker 1: while the law is challenged in court. Any transgender Idaho
Speaker 1: and say the legislation has created an increasingly hostile environment. Yes,
Speaker 1: it has. And then we have the yah who become
Speaker 1: the bathroom police. And you know, non traditionally feminine CIS
Speaker 1: women usually pay a greater price than we do. It's
Speaker 1: all fucked up. It's all fucked up. Bishop Cedric Bridgeforth
Speaker 1: described the conversation as deeply personal, efidelegates her testimony from
Speaker 1: transgender members, immigrants, and people of color about their experiences
Speaker 1: in Idaho. At the same time, he reminded the conference
Speaker 1: that faithful United Methodists continue serving communities throughout the state.
Speaker 1: All harm is harm. The bishop reiterated the decision means
Speaker 1: the conference will meet outside Idaho in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Although a new location has not yet been announced, it
Speaker 1: also means Idaho will lose hundreds of visitors who typically
Speaker 1: support local hotels, restaurants, and businesses during the annual gathering.
Speaker 1: You know, and I know our friend Chris Matthews, who
Speaker 1: I would love to have back on the show, you know,
Speaker 1: has quite a bit to say about this about you know,
Speaker 1: we're here fighting. Please fight with us. I hear that
Speaker 1: I do, And this may be the only way we
Speaker 1: push back is economically truly, is by shaming these laws
Speaker 1: as they deserve to be shamed, and not holding these
Speaker 1: large events in states that don't welcome all. It worked before,
Speaker 1: and you know, I hear tourism is down in Florida,
Speaker 1: but I want to see it down further. I'm sorry, right,
Speaker 1: you know I can't. I'm tired of parsing my existence
Speaker 1: and watching more happen and more happen, and more happen.
Speaker 1: These motherfuckers, these motherfuckers. Indeed, so anyway, I thought I
Speaker 1: would lump those things together and jump on my soapbox.
Speaker 1: If you really care about us, don't hold conferences, gatherings,
Speaker 1: or other events in states where everyone isn't welcome, and
Speaker 1: good for the United Methodist Church for standing up and
Speaker 1: saying no, no, thank you, thank you. That's real reconciliation.
Speaker 1: That's real reconciliation. That's really taking care of us. Don't
Speaker 1: force us to play. Will they enforce their laws or not.
Speaker 1: Don't do that to us. Don't make us wonder are
Speaker 1: we safe? Show us that you care that we're safe. Right,
Speaker 1: thank you? Yeah, next up.
Speaker 2: So I put the story in here as a way
Speaker 2: to get into the main story.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 2: So Nolan Wells is the young man who a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago went on a boating trip uh in Mississippi
Speaker 2: with several of his white friends. He was the only
Speaker 2: black person in the group.
Speaker 3: Saw that.
Speaker 1: Or they're like sixteens altogether, maybe five of them were white.
Speaker 1: He was the only black.
Speaker 2: There was a photos four of them, but oh four,
Speaker 2: so it was yeah, it was five of them.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So four white teenagers one black teenager. Yes,
Speaker 1: the white teenagers returned from the trip.
Speaker 2: Five of them went on this boating trip. Four return
Speaker 2: four returned, and the four young white boys have no
Speaker 2: idea what happened to their friend.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have his phone allegedly, and they don't
Speaker 2: know what, they don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Nolan Zavi or Wells was eighteen years old. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was found dead following his disappearance over the July fourth holiday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his death has sparked much suspicion and left unanswered questions
Speaker 1: after he took a boating trip with friends to Mississippi's
Speaker 1: Horn Island.
Speaker 3: So much wrong with that sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm picturing you going, mmm, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear Banjo's on the trip now that part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing well. And obviously he trusted his friends, right.
Speaker 2: And this is not the fifth time. And we have
Speaker 2: heard a story about one lone black person going on
Speaker 2: a trip with a bunch of white people and they
Speaker 2: come back and he does it. But and of course,
Speaker 2: you know, no one still knows anything. I just looked there.
Speaker 2: There's no new information. The family is still trying to
Speaker 2: get actual answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm reading from the Variety article where we do
Speaker 1: see Byron Allen donated one hundred thousand to the GoFundMe
Speaker 1: that the family set up, and Tyler Perry is paying
Speaker 1: for the funeral. So good on them. Yes, but this
Speaker 1: is hideous. It is it's hideous.
Speaker 2: And I was looking at the several of the instances,
Speaker 2: like I said, where a black person goes hanging in
Speaker 2: with their white friends and then the white friends come back,
Speaker 2: and in more than one, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: black person ends up being hung from something and they
Speaker 2: call it a suicide. Like these are the things like
Speaker 2: y'all obviously don't know black people, because y'all aren't even
Speaker 2: being slick with this.
Speaker 1: Shit, right speak.
Speaker 2: So I just bring it up because we need to
Speaker 2: keep talking about this story and stories like it that
Speaker 2: keep happening way too often.
Speaker 1: They're trying to play in our face.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what happened really, and yes, there
Speaker 2: is a possibility that these boys didn't do anything to Nolan.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, how the fuck do none
Speaker 2: of y'all know what happened? Oh, he just went away
Speaker 2: to his own thing.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Then, why did y'all leave? Why didn't y'all try to
Speaker 2: find out what happened to him? If that's your friend?
Speaker 3: Right? Fuck?
Speaker 2: This is why I am glad that I was born
Speaker 2: and raised in a city, because you know, I have
Speaker 2: frequently in my life found myself the only non white
Speaker 2: person in white spaces and white friend groups and going
Speaker 2: on white outings and things. But it was always in
Speaker 2: public places with lots of other people. And they're just
Speaker 2: certain places that I didn't wand off to.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. And yeah, so I mean this, we should
Speaker 1: not be having these conversations. But but wasn't.
Speaker 2: One of the white dudes that didn't come back exactly
Speaker 2: And I'm not It never is exactly. And I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to say, you know, you can't be friends with
Speaker 2: people that are different from you. Of course not. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to say that. But what I am saying
Speaker 2: is people need to start putting trackers in their draws.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I mean, but would that I ultimately we're found the
Speaker 1: pastor we need body coms. They if you were going,
Speaker 1: if you were going to be the only non white
Speaker 1: person in a group of two or more, we need
Speaker 1: you to wear a body cam for your own safety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hate that we have to be there, but fuck it.
Speaker 1: I can't off them White people in general. Just I
Speaker 1: got so little as it is. Yeah, yeah, this just sucks.
Speaker 2: So you know, peace to Loan Wells and peace to
Speaker 2: his family. And I hope y'all get the answers that
Speaker 2: y'all need, because I don't even know what else to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of Broadway, Petty Lapone was on a gay
Speaker 1: cruise ship which was blocked apparently again from entering Egypt.
Speaker 2: After having been blocked from Turkey.
Speaker 1: And it was turned away by Turkey. And yeah, the
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus cruise ship that Petty lapoone was performing on
Speaker 1: was blocked from entering Egypt after being banned from entering Turkey.
Speaker 1: CNN confirmed that Egyptian authorities did not all Virgin Voyage's
Speaker 1: Scarlet Lady to enter its waters. We had full approval
Speaker 1: and they denied us clear and scept the eleventh hour.
Speaker 1: The news comes after the Pone took to Instagram on
Speaker 1: July second to reveal the ship had been turned away
Speaker 1: from Turkey. She wrote, I am shocked. The Atlanti's cruise
Speaker 1: I am performing on next week has been banned from
Speaker 1: entering Turkey. A ship, a magnificent ship full of gay
Speaker 1: men and me denied entry to Turkey simply because of
Speaker 1: who is on board. YEA shocked, really I am furious,
Speaker 1: but I am sailing as the ship will make other
Speaker 1: ports of call. I'm ready to perform for all the
Speaker 1: wonderful men on this cruise who deserves so much better
Speaker 1: than this.
Speaker 3: They do.
Speaker 2: Y'all gonna make Patty put somebody in the aye.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you just apparently didn't say why they did it.
Speaker 2: We know why. We do know why.
Speaker 1: That happened. Patty spoke up. It sucks. Set sail on
Speaker 1: July fifth, finished its voyage in Italy Wednesday, the fifteenth
Speaker 1: and epic all gay voyage from Athens to Venice to
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean's most iconic destinations. Yeah, twenty five hundred dudes.
Speaker 1: So it was what it was, is what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I assume you put this year
Speaker 1: because what bullshit. But you know, Patty spoke up so
Speaker 1: exactly good. I imagine in this instance bet on a
Speaker 1: two wow long as the window trans people on board.
Speaker 1: At that part, oh oh, there was a picture of
Speaker 1: Queen Camille opposing happily with who none other than Queened
Speaker 1: her fucking jk Rawlling. Yeah, well that sucks.
Speaker 2: That truly sucks, but yet surprises no one because she's
Speaker 2: still a rich British white woman and that's ultimately all.
Speaker 1: They care about. Yeah, I mean, I have not much
Speaker 1: more to say. That's all, So spend your money. It's
Speaker 1: not a good look and yeah, that's just heaping it on, right.
Speaker 2: The British monarchy is, you know, so famous for making
Speaker 2: good and healthy decisions well regards other people.
Speaker 1: So you know, all right, let's wrap it up with this.
Speaker 1: The New York Times published a twelve hundred word argument
Speaker 1: for straight approval, and the gays aren't happy about it.
Speaker 1: That reads the headline on the last day of Pride Month,
Speaker 1: because you know, why should we not go out without
Speaker 1: a smack? The New York Times published an op ed
Speaker 1: that argues gay people need to whitewash their existence for
Speaker 1: the comfort of conservative Christians. Bitch, fuck you, thanks for
Speaker 1: the offer.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to.
Speaker 1: Decline, reads this article. On quity. The writer Matthew Vines
Speaker 1: declared that he's gay, not queer, and that it matters
Speaker 1: to whom he is, the author of the book called
Speaker 1: God and the Gay Christian the Biblical case in support
Speaker 1: of same sex relationship. He grew up in a regressive
Speaker 1: evangelical church, as if there's any other kind church in Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker 1: Now an adult, it is apparent he still harbors self
Speaker 1: shame and resentment like many conservative gay men, and they
Speaker 1: are almost always men. Vines blames eroding support for same
Speaker 1: sex marriage on the LGBTQ plus movements alleged excesses. In particular,
Speaker 1: he fixates on the word queer. He says gay and
Speaker 1: queer are not interchangeable, despite progressive activists, organizations and media
Speaker 1: outlets like this one used queer as an umbrella term,
Speaker 1: which is how I use it, and I love it exactly.
Speaker 1: The broader trend of casting is a quote of casting.
Speaker 1: The queer net even wider, has muddled a once clear
Speaker 1: public image about who gay people are. He says, being
Speaker 1: gay begins to look less like an inborn trait and
Speaker 1: more like a chosen ideology or aesthetic twelve hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty nine words. We can boil down his argument, Chill,
Speaker 1: if we stop calling ourselves queer, then homophobes will like us.
Speaker 2: Nope, I know they won't, and they won't like you either.
Speaker 1: Bit I am so tired of this.
Speaker 2: I bet the most brightly decorated areas of his house
Speaker 2: are the closet and the porch.
Speaker 1: Funny you mentioned the porch. Of course, Vines, who married
Speaker 1: his husband at a Baptist church in Texas, believes obviously
Speaker 1: the struggle for gay rights is over and he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to disrupt the status quoll.
Speaker 2: He's what we like to call on a similist game.
Speaker 1: Is that the word a similist assimilationist house faggot? How
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: How about house does that cover?
Speaker 1: House phaget does cover it distinctly? House faggot writes for
Speaker 1: The New York Times, and those motherfuckers published it because
Speaker 1: they're Yeah, that's where that's where we are, that's where
Speaker 1: we are, God help us all. Yeah, how about it?
Speaker 2: I did not much more to say about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's with such bullshit and drivel, and you
Speaker 1: know I, as far as I know, they have yet to,
Speaker 1: of course, post any kind of counterpoint, because you know,
Speaker 1: they don't want you to think there is one.
Speaker 2: The lily white gays are the problem there, I said it.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, at least the ones with money for sure,
Speaker 1: although the ones without money.
Speaker 2: Are better mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's not all of them, I mean, not all waight gay.
Speaker 1: We have plenty of wake gay friends, but they tend
Speaker 1: not to make the arguments they tend to say fuck you.
Speaker 2: In my head, Lily White Gaze was capitalized.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so water is still wet. The New York
Speaker 1: Times is still a rag.
Speaker 2: Remember when it used to be the pinnacle of exemplary journalism?
Speaker 2: Yeah remember that?
Speaker 1: Sh Yeah, I do back before the same people that
Speaker 1: think women should not play sports at all and should
Speaker 1: get in the kitchen and make them a sandwich own
Speaker 1: our media, just saying there seems to be some Oh
Speaker 1: maybe it's a correlation. I I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: want to rush to judgment here anyway. Yeah, let's take
Speaker 1: one more break, yes, please, and come back and pop
Speaker 1: the culture and cleanse those palates in this Pop the
Speaker 1: Culture episode, I am standing a little taller, I gotta say.
Speaker 1: After jelical ball, I'm telling you we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're bad.
Speaker 2: We're back. Got the little extra, little extra, that's what
Speaker 2: they call me.
Speaker 1: Huh So Andrew Lloyd Webber. The headline reads, I'm reading
Speaker 1: out a playbill now. Andrew Lloyd Webber sounds alarm on
Speaker 1: Broadway's dire danger after a cat's agelical ball closing Notice, Yes,
Speaker 1: the composer is calling theater owners, unions and producers to
Speaker 1: find a fix for financial woes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said.
Speaker 1: The truth is that for any show, it makes practically
Speaker 1: no financial sense to come to Broadway With things as
Speaker 1: they are. This is the post he put on Instagram. Creators,
Speaker 1: writers and directors have been forced to take minimal royalties
Speaker 1: for new shows, often surviving on a fixed weekly fee
Speaker 1: rather than a royalty. It makes it impossible for young
Speaker 1: creatives to make a living from theater alone. He goes
Speaker 1: on to acknowledge that Broadway's long running war horses, used
Speaker 1: to include The Phantom of the Opera and notably the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two original production of Cats, are making money.
Speaker 1: While pointing out that Broadway cannot survive on the backs
Speaker 1: of a small handful of shows alone, he has a
Speaker 1: call to action. I know is still in love with
Speaker 1: Broadway as I was when I was a teenager. I
Speaker 1: begged the theater owners' unions and producers to come together
Speaker 1: urgently to address what is a crisis coming to a head.
Speaker 1: Broadway is in dire danger of rivaling Hollywood's empty sound
Speaker 1: stages with increasingly dark theaters. His remarks to in a
Speaker 1: rapidly increasing list of similar commentary for many in the industry,
Speaker 1: including several past statements from him himself, the current Cat's
Speaker 1: revival may stand as one of the starkest examples of
Speaker 1: what this group is talking about, succumbing to a short
Speaker 1: run after being well received and even being well sold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the house was full when we were.
Speaker 1: There, Yes it was. The production has yet to report
Speaker 1: attendance of less than eighty five percent at the Broadhurst Theater.
Speaker 1: Whatever the causes of the current financial movement, the new
Speaker 1: Broadway productions that seem to be most reliably finding success
Speaker 1: have overwhelmingly become almost exclusively a list star driven straight plays,
Speaker 1: with many musicals not able to survive long enough to
Speaker 1: find an audience at ticket prices that allow for profit.
Speaker 1: According to this.
Speaker 2: So the problem is not the shows but the system itself.
Speaker 1: Of this season's new musical productions Beaches, The Queen of
Speaker 1: Versailles and Chess have already closed. Could we have I
Speaker 1: like new ideas after struggling at the box office? And
Speaker 1: of this season's musical survivors Shmigadoon, TV, The Lost Boys
Speaker 1: A Movie, Titanique movie, Two Strangers Carry a Cake Across
Speaker 1: New York, What Ragtime? And the Rocky horror show. None
Speaker 1: have yet emerged as major box office.
Speaker 2: WHOA right, So from what I hear, with the exception
Speaker 2: of Titanic, not that well.
Speaker 1: And we keep regurgitating, you know, right, because I mean, if.
Speaker 2: We would start, if we would do original ideas again,
Speaker 2: or original reimagining of ideas instead of oh, look, we
Speaker 2: like this TV show, let's put a Broadway musical about
Speaker 2: it up on stage.
Speaker 1: That's part of this argument. And then I read Gregory
Speaker 1: King's thought piece when the Ball Ends Early what Broadway
Speaker 1: just told us about whose creativity gets to last? It's
Speaker 1: an excellent piece. Again, we will link to it. I
Speaker 1: mentioned it to Andre Deshields and sent him the article
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm posting this on my social media. Yes,
Speaker 1: Gregory hails from Broadway, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I forget if he was first or
Speaker 2: second cast of The Lion King, but he comes from Broadway.
Speaker 2: He's also a fabulous dancer and critic and writer and educator.
Speaker 1: So we are going to sit down with him tomorrow, yes,
Speaker 1: and talk about his writing. Because the official answer to
Speaker 1: why Kats's closing is a large cast. As Expensive Weekly
Speaker 1: grosses around nine hundred thousand to one million can't outrun
Speaker 1: the overhead, and sales reportedly softened after the show lost
Speaker 1: best Revival to Ragtime at the Tonys And yes, they
Speaker 1: got cheated. While the financial story is real, it's worth
Speaker 1: taking seriously on its own terms. But King posits there
Speaker 1: is a pattern. It fits. Inside Broadway has a long
Speaker 1: ugly history of black and brown creativity getting less institutional
Speaker 1: patients than mediocrity with better connections. Shows built around black
Speaker 1: talent have repeatedly had to hit numbers that whiter, safer
Speaker 1: productions were never required to hit to earn the same extensions,
Speaker 1: the same marketing budgets, the same runway to find an audience.
Speaker 1: When a show fuses that history with visibly queer and
Speaker 1: trans bodies on top of it, the question of who
Speaker 1: gets the benefit of the doubt becomes pattern recognition. That
Speaker 1: is what we're going to talk about with Gregory King.
Speaker 1: We will share the article with you so much more
Speaker 1: to come on this because it is an important conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this is an amazing, joyful, joy filled, groundbreaking reimagining
Speaker 1: of cats. Yeah, it is something totally new blew us away.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have wanted to see this since before
Speaker 1: went into production off Broadway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the second I heard that this is a thing
Speaker 2: that was going to exist, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, yes, yeah, truly, truly.
Speaker 2: And then I remember we're talking to Gregory about, you know,
Speaker 2: coming on the show. He brought up a strange loop
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's right. There was another show
Speaker 2: that I wanted to see and it won all of
Speaker 2: the awards, like literally all of them, and then closed
Speaker 2: a few weeks later.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I'm sorry what, I'm sorry? What? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that has to be part of the whole conversation. And again,
Speaker 1: you know the met Live where they simulcast into a
Speaker 1: theater and charged like twenty five a ticket and you can,
Speaker 1: you know, see it up on the screen. They've figured
Speaker 1: out how to work that out. You know, the recordings
Speaker 1: of Hamilton, for instance, from back in twenty sixteen on Disney.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's pay per view, I don't know, there's some
Speaker 1: subscription service already. I think, you know where you can
Speaker 1: see recordings of Broadway shows right for.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, we need to chisel away at the
Speaker 2: elitism of Broadway and give more access to more people,
Speaker 2: which will translate into more.
Speaker 1: Money, right because you know, I think if I saw this,
Speaker 1: you know, a recording of this show done well, I
Speaker 1: would still want to say it.
Speaker 2: I would still go see Hamilton.
Speaker 1: I would still go see Hamilton. But you know, of
Speaker 1: course I feel differently about that. I love it. It's brilliant.
Speaker 1: You know, it was an entirely I think news style
Speaker 1: of musical and the color blank casting was important. Jellico
Speaker 1: Ball hit me at my core because we're celebrating people.
Speaker 1: We don't celebrate it right. We're uplifting part of our culture,
Speaker 1: part of you know, black and Latine culture, that is
Speaker 1: queer culture, that is trans culture, and not much does that,
Speaker 1: and boy is it important now. And it does sicken
Speaker 1: me that we couldn't find the money right because we know,
Speaker 1: you know, they're not making less than what was the
Speaker 1: number we heard, eight hundred and eighty something thousand a week.
Speaker 1: You can't figure it out, thank you, how to let
Speaker 1: this go until January? Nobody can figure out how to
Speaker 1: do this right, and you know, and it's almost like
Speaker 1: they didn't want to right. And we've already seen in
Speaker 1: various articles, like there have been several injuries, there have
Speaker 1: been a lot of you know, like understudies coming in
Speaker 1: for replacement.
Speaker 2: We weren't able to see Laomi performed because she's still
Speaker 2: nursing her injuries. She's coming back the first week in August.
Speaker 2: She's unfortunately the last week of the.
Speaker 1: Show playing Macavity. Yeah, so she'll come back to close.
Speaker 2: And I don't see it as a reason.
Speaker 1: You know, I saw a back and forth about all
Speaker 1: of this that said, you know, other than Deuteronomy and
Speaker 1: maybe even that, an understudy is not going to send
Speaker 1: people away, you know, right, the understudy for Macavity was excellent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. And the biggest star in the show, arguably
Speaker 1: is Andre Deshield, an important role that is not physically taxing.
Speaker 1: I mean it requires him being the diva of divas,
Speaker 1: which he can do almost in his sleep. Right, And
Speaker 1: you know you found that out when you didn't have
Speaker 1: a sharpie, the.
Speaker 2: Way that man looked at me like I firted on
Speaker 2: his best suit where I did not have a sharpie.
Speaker 1: I have one.
Speaker 2: Damn, you don't have a sharpie. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: There are rules.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go over here and cry myself.
Speaker 1: And the actors, as I thought, the actors that were
Speaker 1: leaving out the stage that had sharpers in their hands
Speaker 1: because they're not dumb either. But of course we're talking
Speaker 1: about andre Shield who was in his chesting room and
Speaker 1: but he happened to have a sharpia.
Speaker 2: I had a pen, which apparently is.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, like fuck, I know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, my point was, with a glance, Andreke Deshields
Speaker 1: can make you question your birth and the air you
Speaker 1: were consuming, and that is what that presence he definitely
Speaker 1: brings to old Deuteronomy. And you know, you've got you
Speaker 1: in your libasia. You have the recorded that the bit
Speaker 1: of the founding mothers of ball rooms which we cried through.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got these moments that just bring the
Speaker 1: whole thing.
Speaker 3: Around.
Speaker 1: So okay, you know, yeah, folks get injured. They're not
Speaker 1: used to the Broadway schedule, all of them. They're just not,
Speaker 1: you know, and and their bodies are not, so we
Speaker 1: may have some more injuries. Ballroom is not easy, No child,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and duck walk I can't.
Speaker 2: I cannot, I never could. I never had. The duck
Speaker 2: walk is my singular favorite element of Vogue. And it's
Speaker 2: also the one that I could never do because I
Speaker 2: never had the knees, which is why I love it
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 1: When other people do it, you were using them for
Speaker 1: other shut up.
Speaker 2: A fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that is not a I'm sorry, that's not
Speaker 1: a point, right, That's not a reason to close the show.
Speaker 1: Because the quality of the show. I don't know how
Speaker 1: if there were under studies last night, I don't know
Speaker 1: how many there were. I don't care. It was excellent.
Speaker 1: It was excellent, and you know, give it room to
Speaker 1: breathe give it a chance.
Speaker 2: And where else can you find a talented young black
Speaker 2: or brown queer person who can vogue and sing in
Speaker 2: New York? Where where would you ever? It was gotta here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Junior Labisia by the way, Oh dear god. And
Speaker 1: again the man really had to do with diva.
Speaker 2: And did only gave the gave him one song. Yes,
Speaker 2: the rest of the time he sat on the side
Speaker 2: and and caught the vibe. But you know how I
Speaker 2: know that because I couldn't take my eyes off of him.
Speaker 2: I was constantly up in the box, look at what's
Speaker 2: Junior doing?
Speaker 1: Noticing, yeah, responding with them. And I loved what they
Speaker 1: did kind of with the younger version, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: of him dancing in front of him. It's just incredible, Oh,
Speaker 1: just incredibly it's beautifully, beautifully done.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful show.
Speaker 3: It really is. It really is.
Speaker 2: And I literally say that my opinion of Cats has
Speaker 2: completely changed. Welcome to the Cats the Jelica Ball Appreciation Podcast.
Speaker 1: Everyone right, but this doesn't give me love for the original.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. Cats went from being that horrible
Speaker 2: ass abomination that I made fun of for thirty years
Speaker 2: to like possibly my favorite show I've ever seen on Broadway.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I hear you, how about it?
Speaker 2: And all you had to do was like, actually give
Speaker 2: it a context.
Speaker 1: And they didn't change the songs. No, they didn't change
Speaker 1: you know. What they changed was everything and nothing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's incredibly well done, and god damn it. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna do more about that and and and try to
Speaker 1: at least add this show to the conversation with the
Speaker 1: singular Gregory King and and I'll be sharing that episode
Speaker 1: with our new friend under his shield. Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: Yes, you took it upon yourself. I went all the
Speaker 2: way through it to yeah, to dive into Game of Thrones,
Speaker 2: and you went through that whole thing faster than I did.
Speaker 1: I did. I wasn't have a problem.
Speaker 2: I was impressed I was surprised that you like stuck
Speaker 2: with it as long.
Speaker 3: As you do.
Speaker 1: Television watching should really not be impressive.
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's just like because when I was telling
Speaker 2: you about it, when I.
Speaker 1: Was watching straight up Avoidance.
Speaker 2: I waited until like last year or you werefore to
Speaker 2: start watching the whole thing again because I just couldn't
Speaker 2: get into it when the first run, and you were like,
Speaker 2: this sounds like white nonsense, and I was like, well
Speaker 2: it did. It kinda is, but it's so good, and
Speaker 2: and you got through the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I did. In fact, I'm caught up with the House
Speaker 1: of the Dragon.
Speaker 2: Which I never even got into because I was like,
Speaker 2: I've just spent all that time and energy dealing with
Speaker 2: these people. I don't want to go back in that
Speaker 2: world again.
Speaker 1: It is a prequel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do, right with reckon. I did, and you're
Speaker 2: enjoying that I did. I did enjoy watching you watch
Speaker 2: Game of Thrones for the first time, like it like
Speaker 2: seeing you like go through what I went through, especially
Speaker 2: like things like the Red Wedding and just the betrayal
Speaker 2: of it all. And yeah, that was that was cool, right.
Speaker 1: See what happened before television your God and some of
Speaker 1: this we could use again. So yeah. And then but
Speaker 1: House of the Dragon, you know, it's had some moments
Speaker 1: truly that I have.
Speaker 2: Enjoyed, and I love that you're watching it and I'm not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a particular dinner that was just wonderful.
Speaker 1: Oh my, you'll know when you get to it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: she served more than dinner.
Speaker 2: Oh oh oh, look at you.
Speaker 1: Oh So anyway, the Vampireless Stat we're watching in real time.
Speaker 2: Yes, lo, they are actually a couple episodes behind.
Speaker 1: I think the fifteen minute fade of course, came out
Speaker 1: of huh that program.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like the Vampireless Stat and I am looking
Speaker 2: forward to seeing. Well, I don't know what they're they
Speaker 2: did the last couple of episodes, because well there's one
Speaker 2: tonight and then one last night. We missed last week
Speaker 2: rather and I like where it's going, and it's been,
Speaker 2: for the most part, very faithful to the original source material.
Speaker 2: The changes that they made have made sense. And knowing
Speaker 2: what I know because I've read all of the Vampire
Speaker 2: Chronicles except for the newest, newest book, which was the
Speaker 2: one that Anne wrote right before she died, The Princeless Stat,
Speaker 2: I still haven't gotten.
Speaker 1: To that, still living in my library.
Speaker 2: But I've read everything else up through I'm knock the
Speaker 2: Devil and some of the side quests like the vampire
Speaker 2: armand and all that, and the drama, and.
Speaker 1: They're paying attention to the drama.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see how far this show's going
Speaker 2: to fucking go, because they go pretty far. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: are you also enjoying the Vampire less?
Speaker 1: Yeah, not as much as you are, but I am, yeah, fair, fair,
Speaker 1: And again I didn't I never read Anne Rice to
Speaker 1: begin with.
Speaker 2: Yes, she she loved the drama clearly, Yes, so does
Speaker 2: her son truth, Hey what it was?
Speaker 1: Bee? Now, this one is a surprise all the way
Speaker 1: around that we're even talking about it, right, and that
Speaker 1: I watched any of it?
Speaker 2: I know, because you do not like horror. I do
Speaker 2: not like horror, and yet you were all about this
Speaker 2: goddamn show.
Speaker 1: Well, Kathy got excited about Widow's Bay and even more strange,
Speaker 1: and it's like it was almost like for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks she couldn't anything she texted me included and
Speaker 1: Widow's Bay, Oh my god. And I'm like, oh right,
Speaker 1: how good can it be?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 2: And we're watching it and I'm peeping the flavor and
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, Kathy likes this.
Speaker 1: I know it really is not my genre.
Speaker 2: Was some of it I could.
Speaker 1: Have done with al but overall, yeah, the twists and
Speaker 1: turns it took by the end of the season, right,
Speaker 1: well done, well crafted.
Speaker 2: I mean it's something that I would have watched anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you get invested in the character development.
Speaker 1: It's worth watching. Yeah, and that's from someone who does
Speaker 1: And again, you know, I say her is not. It's
Speaker 1: not my favorite genre. It never will be. That said.
Speaker 1: I mean American horror story up until Hotel, which I've
Speaker 1: I stopped because things were coming out of the wall.
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed, you know, Covin and what was it,
Speaker 1: Carnival and yeah, all done.
Speaker 2: I wasn't crazy about Carnival, but you liked it.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Covin is still my favorite, and the new season is
Speaker 2: we're visiting that story line.
Speaker 1: I mean, good storytelling is good storytelling. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: I did enjoy that. So that was a step into
Speaker 1: a genre that not my favorite, but well crafted. And
Speaker 1: I would say the same thing about Widows Bay. It
Speaker 1: is well crafted. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Apple TV series and Apple TV series tend to be
Speaker 2: of pretty high quality.
Speaker 1: I also love that Kay Callen is still acting at
Speaker 1: ninety years old in it, right, you know that was cool.
Speaker 1: Pivotal character. I want to smack the shoot out of
Speaker 1: the main character. So yeah, he's doing it well, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: really good cast. And that's that's usually a sign of
Speaker 1: maybe I want to watch it. With the entire exception
Speaker 1: of Cloverfield.
Speaker 2: Lane, Oh, you were never going to forgive me. I'm
Speaker 2: not making you watch ten Cloverfield making you watch.
Speaker 1: Nope, you did? You really did? You were like this one.
Speaker 1: You'll know.
Speaker 2: I thought you would.
Speaker 1: No, it still did the thing I hate, so no, sorry,
Speaker 1: but but and and as I said, there are things
Speaker 1: I think we could have done without in Widow's Bay
Speaker 1: and still told the story overall. I made it all
Speaker 1: the way to the end. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: see what happens next season, so I mean, hey, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh that's why there is nonna be other season.
Speaker 2: There is better right, Yeah, they did kind of leave
Speaker 2: it on Cliffanger in there.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: So what else I got?
Speaker 2: Obligatory Drag Race All Stars Commandary Coming?
Speaker 1: Is that is that still on? Yes?
Speaker 2: I well, I will say the most recent regular season
Speaker 2: season eighteen. I don't care, I probably won't watch it,
Speaker 2: but this was we just finished All Stars eleven. At
Speaker 2: this point, we mean, yes, at this point, everyone should
Speaker 2: know Crystal Method has been crowned the new winner of
Speaker 2: All Stars eleven, as we all knew, and the fandom
Speaker 2: is doing what the fandom does, be ridiculous, Like their
Speaker 2: whole thing is like, ugh, the production is pushing her
Speaker 2: to win. Oh, it's all rigged, and you know, they
Speaker 2: are making a television show, first of all, and they
Speaker 2: have been for a very long time. It's funny, y'all.
Speaker 3: Just no catching me.
Speaker 2: And also when they try to say that, you know
Speaker 2: it's rigged for X y Z to win, they still
Speaker 2: have to do well, So yeah, what are we even
Speaker 2: saying anyway, So there's that. I wanted to comment briefly
Speaker 2: on the beef between Soaking Up Meganash and a curious
Speaker 2: Chanel Davenport. While they were on the show, they talked
Speaker 2: about having some beef and not fucking with each other
Speaker 2: and d D da da, Everyone's like, what's going on,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And then off the show there was
Speaker 2: this whole like thing with the two of them telling
Speaker 2: their separate stories and like something something they lived together,
Speaker 2: something something, then they weren't something something. This one has
Speaker 2: my things but won't give them back, and I'm taking
Speaker 2: her to court and da da da da da. And
Speaker 2: then Akiria did this very very long live where she
Speaker 2: explained all her side of the story and it involved
Speaker 2: a lot of shuffling of papers and I sat there
Speaker 2: and watched most of it, and I feel like I
Speaker 2: don't know any more than I did before. So yeah,
Speaker 2: there's that I was invested in that way longer than
Speaker 2: I should have been, and I don't feel like I
Speaker 2: got any more information than I had.
Speaker 1: So yeah, hmm, okay, still don't care. He no, you know,
Speaker 1: I still don't care, although I was kind of interested that,
Speaker 1: you know, Willem feels some kind of way because Bob's
Speaker 1: the drag queen doesn't want to fuck him that right,
Speaker 1: and maybe Bob just likes a little mystery. I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This also, William was on Bob's podcast, The Only
Speaker 2: Child I think it's called, and apparently they matched on
Speaker 2: Grinder because Willem had a pick with no face and
Speaker 2: Bob was like ooh. And then come to final with
Speaker 2: William was like oh and then William was like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm right here, we can do this, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's so fun. And part of me thinks that Bob
Speaker 2: doesn't want to do it because you know, as the
Speaker 2: saying go, sister, dick will make you sick? Is that
Speaker 2: a saying that amongst the girls? It is?
Speaker 1: Huh? Okay, I did not know that that was the thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not always uh employed by all.
Speaker 1: The girls and Bob included, right, so okay, whatever.
Speaker 2: But thank you, uh huh. But Willem was trying like
Speaker 2: we could be a power couple, like a real power couple.
Speaker 2: Think about it for a second. It's like a mean
Speaker 2: dick watched this and then proceeded to filate the microphone
Speaker 2: and I didn't even leave lipstick, So check it out,
Speaker 2: professional bitch.
Speaker 1: And that may be the problem. You know, I want
Speaker 1: a boutique experience, not a busy airport.
Speaker 2: Who knows couldture not streetwear?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as it were right, I love.
Speaker 1: Nordstrom's not well never mind, No, Willem is funny and fabe,
Speaker 1: but that was just funny. That was funny. When you
Speaker 1: told me about that, I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: Wells and still in her feelings.
Speaker 1: That's funny. The final note here says, I think we
Speaker 1: should see the Odyssey.
Speaker 2: I do. I think we should see the new film.
Speaker 1: That was something you wanted to talk about, not just
Speaker 1: I think we should. Yeah, Okay, we should. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is it?
Speaker 2: It is Christopher Nolan's take on the epic Homer's Odyssey,
Speaker 2: the Mythological Like I know what. Oh, you're looking at me,
Speaker 2: like the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Because didn't you mention Elliott Page?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Elliott Page is in it?
Speaker 1: Okay? And for some reason when you said this, I
Speaker 1: was thinking Elliott Page's film about the gay animals, which
Speaker 1: I do want to see actually right now, you know,
Speaker 1: well the sexual spectrum or whatever within the animal, you know,
Speaker 1: right right right now, Elliott Page is in the Odyssey, and.
Speaker 2: I think playing Achilles. I'm not sure I've heard not
Speaker 2: playing Achilles, playing Achilles.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it, but I want to just because
Speaker 2: Elliott Page, okay, and also because Lupita Nyongo is playing
Speaker 2: Helen of Troy.
Speaker 1: Interesting and the.
Speaker 2: Racists be cracking was the same way people are mad, yes,
Speaker 2: trying to say that Helen of Troy is supposed to
Speaker 2: be the most beautiful in the world. You're trying to
Speaker 2: tell me, Lapita and Youngo's the most beautiful, yes, bitch, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: I am yes. Yeah, she's shooting right up there.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I remember when she was doing the red carpets,
Speaker 2: back way back when she was introduced to us with
Speaker 2: twelve years of slave and every red carpet she wore
Speaker 2: a different color of the rainbow spectrum, and all that
Speaker 2: showed to me was she was like the perfect canvas
Speaker 2: for fabulousness, because there was not a single moment where
Speaker 2: she did not look impeccable. Impeccable, and she's sweet and
Speaker 2: she's smart, and it's like what, Yes.
Speaker 1: The people making these comments.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they always pick think and they think it's
Speaker 2: the most beautiful white bitch yep. They always pick the
Speaker 2: same AI generated photo of her. It's I think, or
Speaker 2: it might be a screen stole. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: like she's like in the middle of yelling or crying
Speaker 2: or screaming or something, and they're trying to say, oh,
Speaker 2: you think this is the face that launch a thousand ships?
Speaker 2: Fuck you, And I bet you in contact she is
Speaker 2: acting her fucking ass off.
Speaker 1: Probably so probably, and to have such a little mind,
Speaker 1: you know, good God.
Speaker 2: And then it always like, well, it's not historically accurate.
Speaker 1: So wait what, how do you know the.
Speaker 6: Mythological character, not person, character who wasn't even human in
Speaker 6: the first place.
Speaker 2: Yes, she was like the daughter of a god or
Speaker 2: some ship.
Speaker 1: I thought this was a historical wow, the person. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know this.
Speaker 2: The whole thing is is mythology, the whole then fuck.
Speaker 1: All, y'all exactly come on now, yeah, well I remember
Speaker 1: them talking historical actor about Ariel exact, thank you, that
Speaker 1: part the fish, that part, the right part.
Speaker 2: Wait what yeah, so you know what, just just be racist,
Speaker 2: transphobic about Elliott.
Speaker 1: And actually you don't even have to because your government
Speaker 1: is saying it for.
Speaker 2: You, right, like they're trying to act like Elliott Page
Speaker 2: uh is like a little weakling or some shit. Have
Speaker 2: you seen that boy after he got jacked for this movie? Shit,
Speaker 2: I bet you can kick the ass of everybody talking shit.
Speaker 1: Probably, but that was probably true anyway, right, yeah, many
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, but yeah, that's it. I think we should
Speaker 2: I'm weary, take one of our rare jaunts to the
Speaker 2: movie theater and go see the honysty.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll keep that on the agenda.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, and I wanted to talk about not on
Speaker 2: the list, but I want to talk about They Will
Speaker 2: Kill You. I still think you might.
Speaker 1: I think we did talk about that, did we?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I just don't. Yeah, don't get in a boat with them.
Speaker 1: Oh this is something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna fight you on this podcast. No. The
Speaker 2: movie They Will Kill You, Zazie Beats is like the
Speaker 2: baddest bitch every I It was twenty one minutes into
Speaker 2: that twenty one minutes in eighteen seconds.
Speaker 1: I do believe into that movie.
Speaker 2: I checked the timestamp and I was like, this might
Speaker 2: be my favorite film of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. And this is streaming.
Speaker 2: Yes it's on HBO. Okay, I fucking love this movie
Speaker 2: and can't wait to watch it again with you, because
Speaker 2: we just watched Kill Bill the whole bloody affair. Yes,
Speaker 2: where they it was like the version that Quenton originally wanted,
Speaker 2: the four hour movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was, and I think.
Speaker 11: True so much, knowing what we know now going back
Speaker 11: and watching his older films, You're like, Ew, this is.
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantina or Doctor Schulz.
Speaker 2: Uh, huh. I'm surprised he's not a sponsor. I never
Speaker 2: but but yeah, I want you to watch They Will
Speaker 2: Kill You because I want it. I want your your take.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's good genre.
Speaker 2: I would say it is a dark action comedy. Okay.
Speaker 2: There are elements of it that people try to say
Speaker 2: it's horror, but I the very.
Speaker 1: Very time you told me something one in horror.
Speaker 2: The very very end. There's an encounter where she fights Satan, okay,
Speaker 2: and it's it's weird and a little creepy.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I don't know. This is the concept of Satan.
Speaker 2: Right, so, but I don't know if I would say
Speaker 2: it counts as horror. Oh, spoiler alert, there's a part
Speaker 2: of the end where she Satan.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, streaming on HBO.
Speaker 2: It's very very very very bloody. But then again, so
Speaker 2: it is kill bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's not the thing that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, amazingly enough, gore doesn't bother you, No,
Speaker 2: not really. It's it's it bothers me more than it
Speaker 2: bothers you, and that cracks me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a whole thing. It's a whole
Speaker 1: it's a whole you know, childhood bullshit. I get it
Speaker 1: terrorized and tormented enough kind of thing that just I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is not entertaining. I don't want this. I don't
Speaker 1: want a roller coaster like that. Adrenaline isn't fun for me,
Speaker 1: not really fair. I'd be under certain context, but you know,
Speaker 1: I get it under certain circumstances. Fine, but yeah, so yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2: That's my recommendations for the week.
Speaker 1: Okay, well we may make some time to do that. Yes,
Speaker 1: we'll talk to gregor King tomorrow. We are floating from
Speaker 1: a magical, magical evening with our beloved Elizabeth Coffee Williams.
Speaker 1: Anything else on your spirit? I think we've covered most
Speaker 1: of it.
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Speaker 1: Alrighty, alrighty, yeah, So you're gonna get this out. It's
Speaker 1: already half edited. Right, this has been something.
Speaker 2: This week has been the longest day ever.
Speaker 1: Right, I can't wait to re listen to it. Right,
Speaker 1: that should be fun And we continue with the conversation
Speaker 1: and so much love to the entire cast. Of cats. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Agelical Ball. If you have any chance at all, please
Speaker 1: go say it. You will not be disappointed.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind.
Speaker 3: It was.
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