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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from the dining room table at East

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<v Speaker 1>Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle

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<v Speaker 1>the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>a few headlines through our decidedly queer lens and see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanted Jugwine,

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<v Speaker 1>a horribly inconsistent schedule, and the month of July.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm your host Martha Madrigal. Welcome to the Full

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<v Speaker 1>Circle Table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yay, hi baby, we are Oh my god, we've.

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<v Speaker 1>Been doing things. We've been doing things and stuff and such. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been getting it done.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been being voices, a presence and a voice for

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<v Speaker 2>the people and such.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm serious, I am too. Yeah, I mean, I swear

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<v Speaker 1>I was taking Pride month off this year and I

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<v Speaker 1>was busier than ever.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was funny when you said it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, with things like I had to prep for

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, right, But we did some cool stuff we did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>June was packed full.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, happy anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it's our Yesterday was our OG anniverses, our OG

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<v Speaker 2>anniversary twenty fourteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen years ago. Yesterday we had our first date, the

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<v Speaker 1>first date that never stopped, right, I think I put out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I did. I'm pretty sure I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I have a what was it A three?

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<v Speaker 3>I had?

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck what?

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<v Speaker 1>I know your grandfather did?

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<v Speaker 2>As it were, there were rules. No one told me

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<v Speaker 2>about rules.

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<v Speaker 1>We had known each other for eleven years, so yeah, fine, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>June eleventh, Garden State Equality organized the rally in Trenton.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about the legislation that has passed finally,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are so proud of having shield lulls that

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<v Speaker 1>are probably the most the strongest in the country at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment because they were written and rewritten up to

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. So as Michiga, you know, reared its ugly head,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, Texas suing New York, our wise and wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>folks anticipated and responded to that kind of bullshit. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was invited to MC the rally, which was my honor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, great, and you kicked ass.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say all the time, I'm not a megaphone person,

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<v Speaker 1>but sound system was was just not present. So there

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<v Speaker 1>I was with a megaphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it looks good on you. I got a lie.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say, I, so, I can't say that anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot lie. I meant to say I cannot lie,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I mix it up with I gotta say so.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I gotta lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're off to a rousing start. That's a microphone.

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<v Speaker 1>There's things on your head are earphoneses, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast. No, I don't smell toast good podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>You say yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And also on that day we were invited to the

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<v Speaker 1>Governor's mansion. Oh my god, that was the same day

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<v Speaker 1>on it it was for Governor Mikey Cheryl's pride reception. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said the bourgiest sentence that may have ever

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<v Speaker 1>come out of your mouth. Yes, after the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact last year was better.

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<v Speaker 3>You did.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year was better, And I'm like, wow, I actually

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<v Speaker 2>said that. But you know what, find.

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<v Speaker 1>The lot Well, it was just it was different, it

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<v Speaker 1>was organized differently a little bit. It's hot as hell

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<v Speaker 1>day it was. Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Still a lovely event with lovely people.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>We were up in Trenton and for the rally, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute we talked about like staying up there

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<v Speaker 1>and then going to Princeton and but we were soaked

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<v Speaker 1>to the skin. Yeah, I mean it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>hot day out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We would not have been as cute as we were,

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<v Speaker 2>not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So we did come home, shower and rest and then

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<v Speaker 1>go back to drum thlack it yes, which was lovely

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<v Speaker 1>you know, open bar anyway, right, that happened, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we did at the close. So last year I spoke

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<v Speaker 1>Woodbury had there for Woodbury Little Woodbury, New Jersey near

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<v Speaker 1>us had their first Pride celebration and I spoke, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you did at that. And then this year we partnered

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<v Speaker 1>with s Chack, which is the South Jersey Artists collective

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<v Speaker 1>collective for Tell the Children at Dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a collaborative on an ongoing collaborative project with

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<v Speaker 2>the friend of the pod Ken Wynn, who decided that,

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<v Speaker 2>damn it, we were going to come together and create

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<v Speaker 2>some art. So of course I said, okay, And so

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<v Speaker 2>the project Tell the Children at Dinner. I love that title.

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<v Speaker 2>I gave that title. It's basically a dinner party slash performance.

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<v Speaker 2>The audience is sitting around the table and at the

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<v Speaker 2>head of the table is a featured guest of honor

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<v Speaker 2>who will share a story, a personal story of their

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<v Speaker 2>queer history, and there are dancers slash performers who are

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<v Speaker 2>also seated around the table, and they slash wei depending

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<v Speaker 2>will perform and dance to punctuate various moments in the story.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun. Our first first one a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was the close of Woodbury Pride. You were

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<v Speaker 2>the guest of honor.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that it was fun. We had a much

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<v Speaker 1>bigger crowd than I expected. I don't know why. I

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<v Speaker 1>just always assume if I throw a party, no one

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<v Speaker 1>will come. That never actually happened, exactly. It's so silly

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<v Speaker 1>of you to think no. But we had a good

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<v Speaker 1>crowd and it was really a lot of fun to do.

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<v Speaker 1>It was interesting. It was a so I guess do

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<v Speaker 1>we call it a performance piece? It was a performance

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<v Speaker 1>theater storytelling?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I got I got some lovely feedback from a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of ours who said you were you. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>forget how she said it, but it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you manage the tension so well, right, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>which is what storytelling and comedy you know, are are

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<v Speaker 1>like we create it and then we alleviate it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we create some more. And you know, that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the EBB and the flow of a good story

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<v Speaker 1>correct and I had a blast.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that's what I meant by I had to

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<v Speaker 1>put work into that. Yeah, because y'all were just standing

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<v Speaker 1>there and I was asking for direction, and you're going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>once we know what you're talking about, thing exactly, have direction.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, a fuck, Yeah, that's that's not how this works.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just framing the work around you miss thing, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to get another opportunity to do tell the

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<v Speaker 2>children at dinner with you you. I love that because

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<v Speaker 2>ask Jack wants to do it again in October.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that's exciting. That's excited. I'm glad because I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're gonna work the bugs out a little further. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I love my story. Keep them interested.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be nice to have a chance to do it

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<v Speaker 2>without the pressure of having put it together in a

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<v Speaker 2>short period of time. We have time to work things

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<v Speaker 2>out and yeah, add a couple more elements or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt good to do that kind of creativity again

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<v Speaker 1>together because it's been a it's been a minute, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been a minute. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, look at me, I'm choreographing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I had, I had a good time. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about Cats, Theagelical Ball. There's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot going on, And we were going to go

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<v Speaker 1>for your birthday, yes, August fourteenth, and then they run

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<v Speaker 1>is ending on the eighth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is exactly seven days before we were supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just got a text message that this Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>we will be their second row center. So we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to celebrate your birthday early. Yeah, this Saturday, Yes, in

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<v Speaker 1>the second row, and I have a feeling we will

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<v Speaker 1>meet under Deshields.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh my god, it is confirmed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm giggling with glee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the this is the one Broadway show I

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<v Speaker 1>think You've been the most excited forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I have ever since it was first announced. When it

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<v Speaker 2>was making its off Broadway debut, right, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a second, this is a production of Cats I

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<v Speaker 2>might give a shit about because historically I have never

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<v Speaker 2>been a fan of the musical of Cats. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>because it's bad. To me, It's dumb, it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>The dancing is always fierce. Butellica jelical Ball a ballroom reinterpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this I can get behind and and basically like

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<v Speaker 2>the Royalty of Ballroom is in this cast. So I

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<v Speaker 2>get to see Laomi in real life, you know, Junior

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<v Speaker 2>Libaysia and of course Andre to Shields.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited Deuteronomy. Yeah, so we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to get in right under the wire and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Really that's so exciting. That's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's going to happen and we'll be able to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that, and we are going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on, yes with Broadway and the show, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's really not cool, but at least we will be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The last episode that we put out was an

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<v Speaker 2>interview that I did with a queer author named Kathy

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson about her short story collection called Vamoose Yes. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was a delightful conversation and it was a good

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<v Speaker 2>book and we got to talk about the themes and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was impressed that I had some astute observations

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<v Speaker 2>about the themes of the book and the stories. Awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I love that. Yes, you can go

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<v Speaker 2>back a few episodes and listen to that interview and

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<v Speaker 2>get a copy of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, anything else on your spirit?

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<v Speaker 3>Anything else it's been a month.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been it's been well, it's been more than a month.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we did record in June because I know

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<v Speaker 1>we said it's Pride month, right and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>Pride Month was a whirlwind where yeah, busy, we were busy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, doing the things and seeing the people.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing the things.

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<v Speaker 1>And July has not been less busy. Actually, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>my god, yeah I am. I was part of a

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<v Speaker 1>keynote panel for the first Weave conference in New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a recovery conference centered around marginalized people and

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<v Speaker 1>in particular LGBT people, and this one was focused on

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<v Speaker 1>peer support, which is near and dear to my heart.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, and you rocked it. Apparently I did. Had

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<v Speaker 2>it not been a recovery conference, you would have said,

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<v Speaker 2>hold my beer.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yes, there was no beer, Yeah, there was no beer.

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<v Speaker 1>It was good. It was good. And I ran into

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people that I have known for quite a while.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I quoted the quote that I use all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. I'm sure I've said it here that you know, curious,

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<v Speaker 2>Might like them to be. Indeed, Republicans could take note word.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, she was Welsh. I did not know that she was.

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<v Speaker 1>Now tell me who he was.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew him first from the film in the Mouth

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<v Speaker 4>of Madness, which is a horror film that you're never

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<v Speaker 2>See, but it's one of my favorites, where he plays

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<v Speaker 2>And it's very love crafty and except without the racism.

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<v Speaker 2>How old he's seventy eight? I think, yeah, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was seventy eight when he passed. That's crazy, Sam Neil.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I left this on the list because the last

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<v Speaker 3>It was only fifty nine. Yeah, Rob Bass.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a foundational pioneering artist in in hip hop. It

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<v Speaker 2>takes too, Yeah, that it takes too. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>there is a birthday party, wedding reception, bar MIT's foot

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he had He had turned fifty nine just four

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<v Speaker 1>days before he died on May twenty second. Yeah, after

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shame.

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<v Speaker 2>The song of his that I love, possibly more than

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<v Speaker 2>it takes two is joy and pain. That's always been

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I wanted I didn't want to go another

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<v Speaker 3>Left us there.

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<v Speaker 1>Clive Davis, Yeah, damn, that's talk about an icon, talk

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<v Speaker 1>about an icon and an icon maker. He was ninety four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>king was what I said, icon maker, king maker? You

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<v Speaker 1>said the other night, was there anyone who didn't work

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<v Speaker 1>with Clive Davis? Because dear God from Johnny Cash to

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney Houston to Oh my God, Yeah, Alicia Keys, Jennifer Hudson, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's oh, Aretha Franklin, Aretha Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>So many, so many. Yeah, he got he brought Aretha Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh not, I don't want to say revived her career,

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<v Speaker 2>sphere with the duet that she did with George Michael. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were waiting, Yes, and that ushered in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole, Like, what's what's the song? The not Freeway Love?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that her Freeway of Love is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah that that that Pink Cadillac Pink. No, that

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<v Speaker 1>Oh right, I guess they're different songs. Yeah, okay, every

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<v Speaker 1>mind Freeway of Love?

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<v Speaker 2>What and like I love that like on the opening

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<v Speaker 2>of Buster Rhymes's Genesis album as a recording of Clive

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<v Speaker 2>Davis calling him and telling him to keep it, gutta.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep it got her Yeah, no, guta gutta just keep it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gutta no R right drop the hard R already.

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<v Speaker 1>Freeway of Love was nineteen eighty five Aretha Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh that was that was a vere the Franklin Freeway.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Love, Freeway of Love, Aretha Franklin nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, pink Cadillac was what we said was nat.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's said in my pink Cadillac it did. We're

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<v Speaker 2>Catalog, right, Okay, that might be what I yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>When's against our back? Ain't we riding on the freeway

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<v Speaker 1>of love? In my pink Cadillac? It's not the same song? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>But she also had a pink Cadillac. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't in the song, which I desperately want, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you do anywhere between a fifty nine and a sixty four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I would like it in pink. And

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<v Speaker 1>there there was I think it was called Persian Sand.

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<v Speaker 1>would be fabulous. I agree, I agree. And if it's

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<v Speaker 2>My God, Barry Manilow, Patty Smith, Lou Reed, Gil Scott, Herron,

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<v Speaker 2>The Kings, Melissa Manchester, Dionne Warwick, Who's zoom and who Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was the That was the Aretha Franklin song. I

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<v Speaker 1>You know that over one hundred pink Cadillacs were in

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<v Speaker 1>her funeral procession? That something about that? I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, back to Clive Davis, who we're actually talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying, uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety four years old. What a life, what a storied life? Really,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, so much amazing talent.

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<v Speaker 2>He is responsible for a significant chunk of pop culture

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<v Speaker 2>and pop music. The biggest thing was finding out that

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<v Speaker 3>Was a icon, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh when you said the biggest thing, like it was

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean I didn't know, but I also didn't think about it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But then I was like, oh, well, of course, there

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<v Speaker 2>you go. How are you going to how are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to be responsible for the careers of Barry Manilow

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<v Speaker 2>and Aretha frank Glenn and Whitney Houston and not be

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<v Speaker 2>a faggot? Come on now that's true, Come on now,

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<v Speaker 2>and George Michael bitch come on.

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<v Speaker 3>What a cast?

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<v Speaker 1>He did that he did, He did and he did

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<v Speaker 1>it for decades and decades. Legacy Legacy Victoria Cruz. This

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<v Speaker 1>this just made me sad. I did not know her personally,

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<v Speaker 1>but everyone knew her as Miss Vicki. She was a

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>She worked for seventeen years at the New York City

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<v Speaker 1>Anti Violence Project. She was at Stonewall on that night

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty nine, and you know a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>She died on June twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>I came to know I had. I knew her name,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew of her, but I really saw more that

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<v Speaker 1>the documentary that I believe is still in netfix the

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<v Speaker 1>Death and Life of Marcia P. Johnson. Yeh, she has

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<v Speaker 1>featured heavily, yes, because she is, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the people who just would not let that go and

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<v Speaker 1>really did her best work to try to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>was a suicide or a swim that went wrong. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you can see Miss Vicki in that documentary, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just shines, and she talks about her own life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, back in nineteen ninety six, she was repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>woman working you know, in a nursing home in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>Anti Violence Project. Back then, it was run by Christine Quinn,

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<v Speaker 1>who later became the first openly gay speaker of the

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<v Speaker 2>So she worked with her, Yeah, doing the work.

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<v Speaker 1>She did the work. She did the work her whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>She cared deeply, She cared deeply about the community. And

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<v Speaker 1>at her as a mother figure and she will be missed.

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<v Speaker 1>So rest in power, Miss Vicky Cruz.

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<v Speaker 2>So this next one is a personal one for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the end of June, we lost Donovan Hagen's

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan Mark Hagen's who was a friend of mine in college.

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<v Speaker 2>We met actually through dance. Although he went on to

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<v Speaker 2>in the Philadelphia acting community. Uh he performed with Freedom

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<v Speaker 2>Theater and First World and basically all over all the

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<v Speaker 2>major players I've seen him play in comedies and dramas,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was featured in a multi episode arc in

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<v Speaker 2>season two of The Wire. And he was just a

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<v Speaker 2>Like he would like we would fall out of touch

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<v Speaker 2>and then he would like just reach out and be like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been too long, what's up. The last time I

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<v Speaker 2>saw him was when we had the bar and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh you still do that open michaels like.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, I'm gonna come back, and he did

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<v Speaker 2>and he came and he played piano.

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<v Speaker 1>And sang.

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<v Speaker 2>Like he was and everyone loved Mark. Everyone loved Donovan.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just that dude. He was a good dude and.

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<v Speaker 1>He was everywhere. Yeah, Rutgers, Camden Center for the Arts,

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<v Speaker 1>Freedom Theater, a Zuoka Theater Collective, New City Stage, the

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia Arts Collective, play Pen, Walnut Street Theater, First World Theater, Ensemble,

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<v Speaker 1>Imagination Stage, Arena Stage, African Continuum Theater Company, Ford's Theater,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tribute Productions.

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<v Speaker 3>Just so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things he was most proud of

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<v Speaker 2>he was a resident producer for Philly Young Playwrights. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>bringing young people into the theater world. So yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a shame. Definitely be missed. What a loss, Yeah, what

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<v Speaker 2>a loss resting power. I'm just gonna mention on a

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<v Speaker 2>lighter note, on a lighter note, Ladybug kicked it. So

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<v Speaker 2>the NDAs are are probably canceled, and we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that ship a little bit later. Lady pet.

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<v Speaker 1>They say you should only speak good of the dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsey Graham is dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Good by bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that in a minute. Yes, we will

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<v Speaker 1>show seventy one years old, lady Lady, Lady Geez left.

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<v Speaker 2>Stage seventy one years old, died way too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know normally say too soon. I caught it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I caught it, Yeah, I caught it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one we hear the coming threes. Shaw, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe the proof of life for you know, the turtle right,

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<v Speaker 1>So m that might be two come one, number three.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much like they treat they're treating Mitch McConnell like

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<v Speaker 2>they treated the Gold Tablets and the Mormon religion. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he told me that he's doing just great, and he

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<v Speaker 2>told me to tell you how No you can't see him,

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<v Speaker 2>but hold on going to the other room. Come back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's great.

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<v Speaker 1>The memes though, the memes coming out of the proof

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<v Speaker 1>of life photograph are fucking brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm funny as hell.

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<v Speaker 1>So we don't know if he's alive or dead. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anyone who wishes him alive. But we'll you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll leave that one lafe for now, right, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Ladybug later.

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<v Speaker 2>One day. I'm going to stop giggling at that, but

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<v Speaker 2>today is not that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey. You mentioned an article from Alt Smart Houston's LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 1>magazine titled seventeen seventy six to twenty twenty six The

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<v Speaker 1>Moments that defined Lesbian, gay and Bisexual Rights in America,

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<v Speaker 1>A timeline of the battles, breakthroughs, and setbacks that shaped

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ life in the US. And I assume we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to put that in the note Yes, folks to

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<v Speaker 1>read on their road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a lot to get into here, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely an interesting list and I think everyone should take

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<v Speaker 2>the time to go through it. So you were going

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<v Speaker 2>to post it in the notes to this episode?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>These are notes on American history and things like Harrie

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<v Speaker 1>Hay in nineteen fifty launching the magazine Society. Harry Hey, right.

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<v Speaker 2>The timeline of quote unquote sodomy laws being repealed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Baird rust In the Daughters of Belitis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Stonewall, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They missed the the nineteen sixty five march in Philadelphia, but.

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<v Speaker 2>They sure did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they sure did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a it's there's always in any list, there's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be things, uh huh that.

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<v Speaker 1>I look for that aren't there. Right, So, but Harvey Milk,

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<v Speaker 1>it interesting the March on Washington for lesbian and gay rights. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. So interesting piece.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you check out the list, feel free to

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<v Speaker 2>hit us up at ask Full Circle Pod at gmail

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<v Speaker 2>dot com or visit our website, Full Circle Thepod dot

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<v Speaker 2>com and let us know what should be on that list.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that's missing. Yeah, because there's plenty, Yeah there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, ready, so let's take a quick break and then

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna come back and talk about good news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to slide into good news? I would, I

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<v Speaker 1>would too. The New Jersey legislature he has passed a

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<v Speaker 1>bill shielding reproductive and transgender healthcare providers. Let's see, they

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<v Speaker 1>passed a bill on June thirtieth in both the Assembly

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<v Speaker 1>and the Senate affirming crucial protections for reproductive and transgender

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare in.

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<v Speaker 2>The state, which is major.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, a coalition of organizations from across the state celebrates

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<v Speaker 1>the bill, urging Governor Mike Y Cheryl to sign it

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<v Speaker 1>into law immediately. My understanding is, while that has not

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<v Speaker 1>happened yet, it is because there will be a ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>a right since we it didn't happen in time to

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<v Speaker 1>sign it, I guess for Pride Month and also have

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<v Speaker 1>a signing ceremony. So I look forward to my our

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<v Speaker 1>invitation to the signing of this bill. And I am

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<v Speaker 1>not claiming near the work that so many, including our

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<v Speaker 1>good friend Lauren Albrect at Garden State Equality put into Lauren, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Lauren said. We want to express our gratitude to everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who contributed to the passing of these critical protections. To

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<v Speaker 1>every lawmaker, policy expert, healthcare provider, advocate, ally and individual

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<v Speaker 1>who worked on this legislation over the years.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, by passing this bill, the legislature has sent the

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<v Speaker 1>message that bodily autonomy and access to medically necessary, best

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<v Speaker 1>practice healthcare are New Jersey values. As other states and

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government attack reproductive and trans healthcare, we have

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<v Speaker 1>made it clear that the Garden State will protect both

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<v Speaker 1>the life saving care itself and the people who provide it.

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<v Speaker 1>Our priorities now will be to ensure Governor Cheryl swiftly

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<v Speaker 1>signs this legislation and afterwards to educate healthcare providers on

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<v Speaker 1>these new and bolstered protections.

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<v Speaker 2>Love that the more I look around at the landscape

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<v Speaker 2>and see what's going on with legislation and just the

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<v Speaker 2>culture of politicization of lives, I'm realizing how lucky we

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<v Speaker 2>are to live in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Oh my god, I absolutely. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as so many of you know, my trans siblings, especially

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<v Speaker 1>kids you know, are scrambling and their families are moving, fleeing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, states they've spent their whole lives in because

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<v Speaker 1>of politics, because of hateful Republicans and misinformation. I'm so

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<v Speaker 1>proud of the state where I was born. Senate Majority

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<v Speaker 1>Leader Teresa Ruiz, who I got to share this stage

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<v Speaker 1>with in Trent, said Yesterday marked the end of a

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<v Speaker 1>two year that again, speaking of this was on July first.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday marked the end of a two year fight led

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<v Speaker 1>by parents, advocates, and members of the LGBTQ plus community

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<v Speaker 1>who refused to give up on Senate Bill twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty, often in the face of significant fear and uncertainty.

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<v Speaker 1>She was one of the bill's primary Senate sponsors. At

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of this bill has always been the recognition

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<v Speaker 1>that every person's humanity is unique, and no one should

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<v Speaker 1>stand in the way of an individual's freedom to make

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<v Speaker 1>decisions about their own body, health and future. As a mother,

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<v Speaker 1>a policymaker, and a staunch ally, I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this critical measure signed into law so that patients

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<v Speaker 1>can access the care they need without fear or intimidation,

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<v Speaker 1>providers can continue doing their jobs without the threat of prosecution,

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<v Speaker 1>and New Jersey can remain a beacon of inclusivity, compassion,

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<v Speaker 1>and individual liberty for all. Indeed, this Shield Act, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you know, it goes so far as to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there are consequences if you interfere right in

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<v Speaker 1>people accessing reproductive care or gender affirming care, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane Jersey that that needs to be said.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, but hey, it does do things need to

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<v Speaker 1>be spelled out, and you know, delftly the language kept

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<v Speaker 1>up with the nonsense. Our friend Kadijah Silver, civil rights attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>director of Gender Justice and Health Equity Lawyers for Good Government.

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<v Speaker 1>As other states and the federal government escalate efforts to

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<v Speaker 1>criminalize and regulate legal healthcare beyond their borders, New Jersey

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<v Speaker 1>has taken a critical step to protect patients, providers, and

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<v Speaker 1>its own authority to govern the healthcare of its residents.

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey is drawing a clear line requiring health care

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<v Speaker 1>providers in this state answer only to the laws that

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<v Speaker 1>already govern them. As a tax on bodily autonomy, increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>ignore state lines. Shield laws are becoming essential legal infrastructure

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<v Speaker 1>for protecting patients and providers alike. The question is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer whether their states will need shield laws, but how

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<v Speaker 1>quickly they can build them in the face of eroding

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<v Speaker 1>federal protections and interstate conflict over healthcare, we urge Governor

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl to sign this bill into law without delay, and

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey now joins fifteen states and Washington, d c.

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<v Speaker 1>And passing such a shield law. This codifies the executive

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<v Speaker 1>orders Governor Phil Murphy signed in twenty twenty three. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it will be law.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn was that long ago?

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<v Speaker 3>It was?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the folks at Garden State Equality have

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<v Speaker 1>been working on this for those whole three years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and going back and forth to the table. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, it is all about bodily autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at the bullshit since Rov. Wade was

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<v Speaker 1>rescinded by the paid for Supreme Court, well the not

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<v Speaker 1>so Supreme Court that you know, since that has happened,

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<v Speaker 1>see women dying and near dying.

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<v Speaker 2>Bleeding out and barking lots and ship right.

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<v Speaker 1>Reproductive healthcare and gender affirming care are two sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the same coin. This is all about bodily autonomy, yep,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for trans people, for you know, everyone with

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<v Speaker 1>a uterus. This protects our care. I'm so proud of

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<v Speaker 1>my stay right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Really truly good news. Its just share so uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, out of the advocate. The Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>caves to public pressure after an avalanche of opposition to

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<v Speaker 1>the anti trans hospital rule.

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<v Speaker 2>And this kind of thing seems to be happening more

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<v Speaker 2>often lately, like all these sweet things that he like

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<v Speaker 2>spat out are now collapsing under the weight of public

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<v Speaker 2>outrage and factual evidence and combinations thereof.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and here's the thing, more than thirty thousand public

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<v Speaker 1>comments helped derail an HHS proposal that threatened funding for

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals providing gender firming care to transgender use. And the

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<v Speaker 1>threat was, you know, we'll take away all of your

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<v Speaker 1>Medicaid and Medicare funding, jeopardizing all the care you offer.

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<v Speaker 1>This was their most extreme attempt to force hospitals nationwide

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<v Speaker 1>to abandon gender firming care for transgender young people. Some bullyshit, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is a rare and instructive victory against a

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<v Speaker 1>federal government that has otherwise moved aggressively to dismantle trans rights.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good news.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great news.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good news, you know, because here's what happens, so

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<v Speaker 1>in conjunction with the Human Rights Campaign, because nearly twenty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand of those letters came from HRC members and supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>the Quality California said. Major medical groups, including the American

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<v Speaker 1>Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Children's

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital Association, also urged the administration to withdraw the rule.

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<v Speaker 1>The public record created through the comment process can expose

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<v Speaker 1>legal weaknesses and force agencies to confront evidence they would

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<v Speaker 1>rather ignore and make a role more difficult to defend

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<v Speaker 1>in court. And when there's this kind of backlash, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they realize they're going to spin their wheels and look

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<v Speaker 1>like idiots. At least this time. At least this time

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<v Speaker 1>it helped. It doesn't mean we get to rest, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that they're not going to keep coming

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<v Speaker 1>at us, because that's all they want to do. But

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<v Speaker 1>they have walked away from this at this point. They're

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<v Speaker 1>not going forward. They're not going to waste everyone's time

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<v Speaker 1>this time. This would have imposed a new condition on

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid, and hospitals providing puberty blockers,

657
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<v Speaker 1>hormone therapy, or certain surgeries to patients younger than eighteen

658
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<v Speaker 1>could have been expelled from the federal insurance programs. Crazy.

659
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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. This is all healthcare, it's life saving healthcare,

660
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<v Speaker 1>and no politician belongs anywhere in this conversation. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So kudos to everyone who wrote and took the time

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<v Speaker 1>to stand up to these viciously cruel inhuman politicians. At

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<v Speaker 1>least this time it mattered exactly, keep fighting, to keep

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<v Speaker 1>standing together and keep fighting. What else we got? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>A federal judge, by the way, did shut down the

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<v Speaker 1>Trump administration's attempt to get its hands on trans kids

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<v Speaker 1>medical records.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, variation on a theme we have here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was just July sixth, and the judge cited

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's attempts to identify, to demonize, and ultimately to eradicate

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<v Speaker 1>an entire population of transgender people.

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<v Speaker 2>But when we call you nazis, yeah, the problem with that.

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<v Speaker 1>The federal judge issued a scathing ruling against the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration as it tried to get Stanford University's hospital to

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<v Speaker 1>turn over the private medical records of transgender miners. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is covered in our shield laws now here in Jersey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the disclosure of such information would also out provisional class

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<v Speaker 1>members as transgender to a federal government that, for more

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<v Speaker 1>than a year has sought to identify, demonize, and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>eradicate an entire population. The US District Court Judge p

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Hits, who was a Joe Biden appointee, wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>his opinion when issuing a preliminary injunction against the Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice's attempts to get the records. Hospitals are pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back left and right, and good such disclosure and the

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<v Speaker 1>attendant loss of privacy, chilling of doctor patient communications, and

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<v Speaker 1>risk of governmental harassment cannot be undone. Yep, yep, love.

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<v Speaker 2>This right, I love this Hippo still means something.

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<v Speaker 3>For now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Many federal judges have been quashing these subpoenas for

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<v Speaker 1>the past year, citing privacy concerns and the Doga's inability

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<v Speaker 1>to show why it needs the records. But grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>subpoenas are harder to quash, and some hospitals have been

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<v Speaker 1>forced to turn over records. The nationwide campaign against trans

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<v Speaker 1>kids has led to fears that the administ traation wants

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<v Speaker 1>the records to build a database of transgender people for

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<v Speaker 1>possible targeted oppression. Yeah, you know, you know, at least

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<v Speaker 1>California families right now can breathe a sigh of relief.

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<v Speaker 1>So once again the courts held and at least some

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<v Speaker 1>of us were protected. Indeed, that's next Illinois Governor JB. Pritzker.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this was cute. M Yeah. So this is.

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<v Speaker 3>The end of.

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<v Speaker 2>June, Governor JB. Pritzker of Illinois, just hours before he

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<v Speaker 2>marched in the Chicago Pride Parade, signed three trans rights

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<v Speaker 2>bills into law. So he just had like a theme day.

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<v Speaker 2>The theme is free, Eat a Bitch.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it so yeah. So. HB five nine five

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<v Speaker 2>solidifies the process for trans people to correct the gender

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<v Speaker 2>marker on their IDs to male female or X. HB

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<v Speaker 2>five four ninety two mandates that insurance companies cover up

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<v Speaker 2>to a six month supply of prescribed hormone therapy, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as quote the necessary supplies for self administration. Both

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<v Speaker 2>of those laws will take effect on January first, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, and then HB four eight three four updates

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<v Speaker 2>the Illinois Prescription Monitoring Program to remove testosterone and prohibit

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<v Speaker 2>the addition of estrogen for press stone and Misoprostall. Did

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<v Speaker 2>I say those right?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The law, effective immediately will prevent the database, which is

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<v Speaker 2>used to prevent certain drugs from being over prescribed, from

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<v Speaker 2>being abused to prevent folks from obtaining gender affirming and

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<v Speaker 2>reproductive health care.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, he said.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, I'm proud to sign landmark legislation expanding on my

725
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<v Speaker 2>administration's work to make Illinois a safe, empowering, and inclusive

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<v Speaker 2>place for the LGBTQ plus community. He made the statement

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<v Speaker 2>on social media with my signature, we are a few

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<v Speaker 2>steps closer to a state where all can live their

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<v Speaker 2>lives without fear of hate. And then he posted a

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<v Speaker 2>video of himself touting the bills as he prepared to

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<v Speaker 2>march in Chicago's Pride Parade.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>You do the work and then you have a party. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>very cool and what's more queer than that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean the butt fucking but.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, maybe a little bit stupid, but also true.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a sweet little article about the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of Flags for Good, who we love.

741
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<v Speaker 2>We have their products on all four corners around we do.

742
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<v Speaker 1>Michael Green is the founder. They do have a storefront now,

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<v Speaker 1>but he talked about, yeah, how their year is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of built around pride. That's their Christmas. They started the

745
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<v Speaker 1>company in twenty twenty selling exclusively Black Lives Matter flags. Well,

746
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<v Speaker 1>that's right, but when he decided he wanted to secure

747
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<v Speaker 1>the business long term, they added Pride flags. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is relevant because they created the Pride flag for Stonewall

749
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<v Speaker 1>with the National Parks logo that the Trump administration wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to take down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, look at them. And I had made a video.

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<v Speaker 2>We have one of their flags, the banner in our

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<v Speaker 2>driveway and it's the Philly Pride colors with the burn

754
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<v Speaker 2>and black stripe, and each one has a different value.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Black lives matter, science is real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>And I took a video of myself unfurling it for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time and they use that video in their

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<v Speaker 2>store for advertisement for a while.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta love that, ha hahaha.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they asked for.

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<v Speaker 1>Permission first, Yes they did, Yes, they did. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he can think of no community that uses flags the

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<v Speaker 1>way LGBTQ plus people do, word with seemingly endless designs,

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating every conceivable identity. He says his team is all

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<v Speaker 1>too aware of the constant debate over whether it is

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<v Speaker 1>all too much for whom exactly we talk about yet

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. At what point does it start taking away?

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<v Speaker 1>At what point have you fragmented so much that you

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<v Speaker 1>start fragmenting the community. There is no clear answer, but

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<v Speaker 1>what is clear to Green is that LGBTQ plus people

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<v Speaker 1>feel deep kinship with the flags that tout their specific identities,

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<v Speaker 1>and they certainly do make quality broaduct they do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then my question to the people who were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, does it take away? My question is why

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<v Speaker 2>do you value tribalism more than freedom and expression?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Unsurprisingly, every Flags for Good employee identifies as some version

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<v Speaker 1>of queer it. I am shocked, and Green said that

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<v Speaker 1>in the company's home city of Indianapolis, there aren't many

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<v Speaker 1>safe workplaces where queer people can show up as their full,

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<v Speaker 1>uninhibited selves. While Green has thought about leaving a few times,

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<v Speaker 1>joking that Flags for Good really belongs in a place

784
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<v Speaker 1>like Boulder, Colorado, but he has realized that the store

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<v Speaker 1>can make a bigger impact where it is by helping

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<v Speaker 1>progressive folks in a red state.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they are not alone.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. So they started in twenty twenty, so

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<v Speaker 2>that means we were like early adopter.

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<v Speaker 7>We were early adopter. Look at us Flag for Good. Hey,

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<v Speaker 7>we love Flags for Good. And you know, if y'all

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to sponsor this show, that will not be okay

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<v Speaker 7>a problem with us.

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<v Speaker 1>Because drop a jingle, you know, we will definitely tag

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<v Speaker 1>you word up in the notes for this episode, what

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<v Speaker 1>else we got a pride display created by little kids

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<v Speaker 1>was set on fire. Sure, let's always look for the response.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>The community is fighting back in full force. Yes, even

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto Mayor Olivia Chow has gotten involved and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Why this is in good news.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, a community in East Toronto has come together to

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<v Speaker 1>support the LGBTQ plus community after a student created pride

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<v Speaker 1>display at an elementary school was set on fire. Hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of students from r H McGregor Elementary School helped create

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<v Speaker 1>an intersex inclusive progress pride I look at that made

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<v Speaker 1>from individual piece of fabric tied to the school's chain

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<v Speaker 1>link fence. Jessica Tom, a parent of McGregor's students who

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<v Speaker 1>helped organize the flag project, told CTV News that participation

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<v Speaker 1>ranged from kindergarteners to fifth graders, with each grade level

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<v Speaker 1>tying different fabric colors to the fence to create the

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<v Speaker 1>flag image. The flag was set ablaze only days after

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<v Speaker 1>its completion. Tom called it extra insulting that someone would

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<v Speaker 1>destroy something created by children.

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<v Speaker 2>What is missing in your soul?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a representation of the inclusivity, kindness, respect and belief

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<v Speaker 1>in community that are really foundational in our school and

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<v Speaker 1>to see something like that destroyed, even though it's merely

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<v Speaker 1>a symbolic thing, it really hurts. But the surrounding community

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<v Speaker 1>is determined to show agbritqu Plus people they are perfect

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<v Speaker 1>as they are. This is a good part, and parents

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<v Speaker 1>and children alike have returned to the fence to add

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow flags and uplifting signs like Phoenix's Rise from the

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<v Speaker 1>Ashes and you Can't burn Love work. People have come

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<v Speaker 1>and brought their pride flags from their houses. Tom said,

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<v Speaker 1>people have gone out to get more pride flags.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably from Flags for Good.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's been people who've brought ribbon. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>the response is pretty clear and a desire to really

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<v Speaker 1>show that level of support. Now, Tom and a coalition

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<v Speaker 1>of other community members are advocating for a more permanent

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<v Speaker 1>display of pride in the form of a rainbow crosswalk.

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<v Speaker 1>A petition to Toronto Mayor Olivia chow teuts that parents,

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<v Speaker 1>students and neighbors are coming together to make sure this

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<v Speaker 1>act of hate is met with a louder, more visible

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<v Speaker 1>show of love and inclusion, and we're asking our elected

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<v Speaker 1>representatives at the city and provincial level to stand with us.

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<v Speaker 2>You yeah, I love that and and there's a picture

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<v Speaker 2>here of the uh of the original display before it

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<v Speaker 2>was vandalized. It's so cute. And they did they picked

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<v Speaker 2>the the Progress Pride flag that includes intersex individuals, like

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<v Speaker 2>with the little circle in the in the yellow area.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so fierce. It is, it's adorable. It was

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<v Speaker 1>an hard installation and some.

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<v Speaker 2>People and they put a lot of work into that

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<v Speaker 2>because each of those colors is composed of, like we said,

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<v Speaker 2>individual pieces of fabric and yeah, that's yeah, those cases

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<v Speaker 2>did a lot of work. And some ass hat uh huh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because something is missing or broken inside of them that

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<v Speaker 2>they just couldn't stand the sight of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But imagine being that jackass that set FI to it,

853
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 1>watching all those people show.

854
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 3>Up with all those right, yeah, you are in the minority.

855
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to find a way to sleep at

856
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:14.679
<v Speaker 2>night and your day is coming word.

857
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>So trans service members challenging the military band, I've scored

858
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 1>a major victory. A judge has ruled that their case,

859
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Talbot versus the USA, can proceed as a class action lawsuit,

860
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:37.679
<v Speaker 1>So that means suing for all of the damages. Yes,

861
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:38.800
<v Speaker 1>that we're done.

862
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll never get the first time I ever heard of

863
00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>someone bringing a lawsuit to the US itself. I believe

864
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.320
<v Speaker 2>it was Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam that

865
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 2>brought a lawsuit to the USA, and I just thought

866
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that was the most like audacious thing I'd ever heard

867
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 2>of it that point, and so every time it happens,

868
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:02.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like.

869
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do that shit right as we know. You know,

870
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Trump forced distinguished trans military members out of the military

871
00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 1>just because they're trans, and plaintiffs in the case seeking

872
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 1>to overturn the ban on trans military service members scored

873
00:56:19.639 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 1>a major victory with a ruling transforming the case into

874
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 1>a class action lawsuit work. The ruling for class action

875
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:31.639
<v Speaker 1>certification allows plaintiffs to seek to extend protections one and

876
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Talbot v. Trump to all transgender service members currently serving.

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00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It also ensures that future rulings against the ban will

878
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 1>apply to all members of the newly created class uh huh.

879
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 1>It upheld a district court's preliminary injunction halting military separation,

880
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and Tuesday's decision allows attorneys in the case to seek

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00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>its application to all transgender service members currently serving. There

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00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.639
<v Speaker 1>will be more process in court, said Michael Haley, as

883
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 1>to have attorney for glad Law, which along with the

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00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:08.960
<v Speaker 1>National Center for LGBTQ Rights, represents the original plaintiffs. I

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00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.280
<v Speaker 1>don't want anybody to necessarily be under the impression that

886
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.280
<v Speaker 1>will win today means things on the ground change immediately.

887
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 1>To military dot com, We'll have to look at the order,

888
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 1>see what the order says and what it means going forward. Right, Well,

889
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>application of previous wins for the original plaintiffs in the

890
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.159
<v Speaker 1>entire case of transgender service members will likely be challenged

891
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.800
<v Speaker 1>by the administration. One thing is clear. Any wins in

892
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:40.599
<v Speaker 1>this court will apply broadly work good, yep, good, because

893
00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:45.199
<v Speaker 1>it's so arbitrary and hateful, with no basis other than

894
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:54.320
<v Speaker 1>degrading distinguished service members who happen to be transgender. It's

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00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:01.239
<v Speaker 1>nothing but ugliness, hate and petty, disgusting politics.

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00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 2>Like how are you going to tout the the might

897
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 2>of the US military out one sidi face yep, and

898
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.639
<v Speaker 2>then be so small and petty and childish. Well they

899
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Speaker 2>do it all the time the other side, I know,

900
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:19.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's just like how to fuck hm hmm.

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00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, yeah, these are glimmers, you know, They're glimmers of

902
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 1>light and I love highlighting them. Yeah, so good for them.

903
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:36.199
<v Speaker 1>Good for us indeed, and I'm happy for them. It's

904
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 1>a long fight that they should not be involved. And

905
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to begin with that part, yeah, but we're made of

906
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:48.320
<v Speaker 1>better stuff than these idiots. So t that concludes the

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00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:53.480
<v Speaker 1>good news we collected for this particular episode. Yeah, leading

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00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:57.239
<v Speaker 1>us to a segment we like to call.

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00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 8>People taking pleasure raal name yay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as I mentioned, Ladybug Senator Lindsey Graham has been

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00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:24.800
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in a viral post by a now transgender author,

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00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.320
<v Speaker 1>now outlely transgended author Jesse James Rose, who alleged with

913
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a hand raising emoji that Graham paid a quote twinkie

914
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 1>pre transition college student of fat stack of cash for

915
00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:42.679
<v Speaker 1>a meetup.

916
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 1>We can only assume the NDA has died with.

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00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:52.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, ladyg Is it wrong that I have that

919
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>song from Sesame Street in my head about the Ladybug picnic?

920
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all said.

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01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

922
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:08.480
<v Speaker 1>He died this past Saturday night, reportedly from a verdic dissection.

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01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 1>The reaction from our community has of course been immediate,

924
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:19.679
<v Speaker 1>because we're like that, well we're like that when you

925
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 1>are pretty obviously one of us, but you fight vehemently

926
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 1>to oppose us to attack our rights and to bilddle

927
01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:34.760
<v Speaker 1>us while you fuck us at night, right, or in

928
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 1>this case, we fuck you read Lingerie was mentioned somewhere,

929
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.800
<v Speaker 1>let's say with little black dots. I'm guessing you know,

930
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and let's be clear. Throughout his tenure, Graham was a

931
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:53.639
<v Speaker 1>staunch opponent to the advancement of our civil rights, opposing

932
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 1>marriage equality, advocating against the repeal of donats, don't tell,

933
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 1>voting against workplace discrimination protections on transwrites. Specifically, he supported

934
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 1>state level bands on gender firming care for minors. The

935
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.159
<v Speaker 1>bitter irony of this record is that Graham spent much

936
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of his political career denying rumors and speculation about his

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01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:20.559
<v Speaker 1>own sexual orientation, a task that became more difficult in

938
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 1>the social media age. Indeed, some young queer people weren't

939
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:29.239
<v Speaker 1>made aware of the senator's death via a push notification

940
01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:35.320
<v Speaker 1>from a publication. Instead, a now viral Instagram post from

941
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.760
<v Speaker 1>trans author and actress Jesse James Rose, in which she

942
01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:44.000
<v Speaker 1>details an alleged experience of being paid by Graham for

943
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 1>sex work prior to her gender transition while she attended college,

944
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:52.320
<v Speaker 1>ended up inadvertently being the way man he found out

945
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.239
<v Speaker 1>about his passing will. The author attended NYU holds a

946
01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 1>degree in music, theater and child and adolescent mental health studies.

947
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.840
<v Speaker 1>According to her bio, most of you know him as

948
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.679
<v Speaker 1>the homophobic senator from South Carolina, but to me, oh boy,

949
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:11.199
<v Speaker 1>he will always be the man who paid a twinkie

950
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.360
<v Speaker 1>pre transition college student of Batstacker cash to do unspeakable

951
01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:18.320
<v Speaker 1>things to him in a hotel room while he wore

952
01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 1>red lingerie usspeakable. The sorry I keep crying during sex,

953
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:30.360
<v Speaker 1>author wrote in D three slide post, accompanied by a

954
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:35.000
<v Speaker 1>hand raising emoji. It is a canon trans event to

955
01:02:35.119 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 1>have far right freaks bankrolling you and then turning around

956
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 1>and voting against.

957
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.000
<v Speaker 2>You before turning around again.

958
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:48.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, people love to judge us for it, but I

960
01:02:51.440 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 1>never see them opening their wallets shout out to sex

961
01:02:54.639 --> 01:02:59.079
<v Speaker 1>workers everywhere forced to humanize their enemies just to make

962
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:03.920
<v Speaker 1>rent well. It is an absolute mind fuck to me

963
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that one of the reasons I have any semblance of

964
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Speaker 1>financial security and the lack of student loans is because

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01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:11.639
<v Speaker 1>of this man.

966
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Burn the profits of your oppressors.

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01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, That's what that means.

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01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what thank you.

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01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:19.920
<v Speaker 1>At the time I had no idea who he was,

970
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.639
<v Speaker 1>and I only figured it out because another group of

971
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 1>twinks leaked Lady G to the media. Some queers tried

972
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to grandstand critique this, saying we shouldn't out people. Yeah,

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01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I believe that's true. It is true, except in this case.

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01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you exactly.

975
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 1>And she said, I believe bigots with power deserve no

976
01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:45.719
<v Speaker 1>peace or privacy, especially when they hold public office. I'm

977
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 1>glad they did it icons forever. Yeah, I'm sorry. If

978
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.679
<v Speaker 1>you fuck us at night and then legislate against us

979
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:56.519
<v Speaker 1>during the day, expect to be outed.

980
01:03:56.719 --> 01:03:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I think it only took this long because, Yeah, there

982
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.760
<v Speaker 1>were probably NDA's place that did not follow him in. Right.

983
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:06.599
<v Speaker 2>You don't get to have peace when you're one of

984
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:11.400
<v Speaker 2>the reasons why being in is a thing in the

985
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.440
<v Speaker 2>first god damn place. Yeah.

986
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:17.559
<v Speaker 1>He consistently denied being gay until the end of his life.

987
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 1>When Chelsea Handler made insinuations about his sexuality online in

988
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, he said, to the extent that it matters

989
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gay. The fuck you weren't, you know? And

990
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I love the meme that says there was never any

991
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:35.400
<v Speaker 1>allegation of sexual assault by women right toward Senator gream, No,

992
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:35.880
<v Speaker 1>not women.

993
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm not good with any here. Stop, I'm not gay, right?

994
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 1>And he paid the boys. Yeah, and he paid the boys.

995
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 3>We know this, We know this.

996
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.239
<v Speaker 1>You know it's I've long said, what's taking the ramp boys?

997
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:50.599
<v Speaker 1>So long?

998
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:51.119
<v Speaker 3>Probably?

999
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.559
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, probably I always assumed that was the case.

1000
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but evidently we're going to spill the t all

1001
01:04:59.000 --> 01:04:59.679
<v Speaker 1>over DC.

1002
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:03.800
<v Speaker 2>What did I say? Is going to be an influx

1003
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of tell all books with titles like Surviving the Ladybugs

1004
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:09.360
<v Speaker 2>in the Ladybugs b.

1005
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's see. This is not the first, though. In twenty twenty,

1006
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:20.079
<v Speaker 1>porn performer Sean Harding posted online implying that an unnamed

1007
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Republican senator had hired multiple gay sex workers, including him.

1008
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.800
<v Speaker 1>People connected the story to Graham based on the nickname

1009
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Lady g a code named sex workers in DC allegedly

1010
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:35.320
<v Speaker 1>used to refer to the South Carolina legislator. We've known

1011
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:38.639
<v Speaker 1>this for a while, and the nickname did follow Graham

1012
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.119
<v Speaker 1>for what would turn out to be the final years

1013
01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:46.599
<v Speaker 1>of his life. Even right wing influencer and Trump ally

1014
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Laura Lumer said that Graham was gay. While testifying under

1015
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.960
<v Speaker 1>earth for a deposition several of President Trump's staff have

1016
01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 1>told me in confidence that Lindsey Graham is gay, she

1017
01:05:57.000 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 1>said during the deposition, which she later defended it online,

1018
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.239
<v Speaker 1>saying she did not want to perjure herself. I mean

1019
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 1>from space, Lindsey Grandma's gag.

1020
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:13.800
<v Speaker 2>And if, for whatever reason, listeners, you don't know where

1021
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:16.519
<v Speaker 2>the ladybugs thing comes from, We're not gonna tell that

1022
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:21.239
<v Speaker 2>story here because iw however, it is easily googleable.

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01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:23.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to know.

1024
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh you don't know, I don't know.

1025
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck, I fine, So I don't know.

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01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:32.599
<v Speaker 2>There is a story, one of the stories, one of

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01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the first stories that I heard, one of the Rent

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01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 2>boys talks about how he came out of the bathroom

1029
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:41.599
<v Speaker 2>to see Lindsey Graham on all fours uh huh, and

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01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he noticed that there were these black spots on his

1031
01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:50.280
<v Speaker 2>hind parts and so he like asked if he'd, like,

1032
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, cleaned him, showered and cleaned while he was

1033
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.559
<v Speaker 2>like yeah, And he asked him, like, do you mind

1034
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.239
<v Speaker 2>if I wipe you down? He was like sure, And

1035
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 2>in so doing he realized that they were moles around

1036
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 2>his little balloon knot probably not so little, and he said, oh,

1037
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.840
<v Speaker 2>those don't worry about that those are just my ladybugs.

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01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh I did hear this before I forgot I think

1039
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I blocked it out like I'm going to do again.

1040
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:17.880
<v Speaker 2>See, I offered to n.

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01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that is that's where ladybug, those are just

1042
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.079
<v Speaker 1>my ladybugs. Yes, and Dear God in Heaven.

1043
01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Every time I hear that in my head, I picture

1044
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:30.079
<v Speaker 2>it in the voice of the gay bookstore owner on

1045
01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Family Guy. It's my ladybugs. Oh now, uh huh.

1046
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:46.159
<v Speaker 1>So this is about calling out hypocrisy. Yes, this is

1047
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:51.519
<v Speaker 1>about you know, a person so self loathing, yeah, that

1048
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:58.119
<v Speaker 1>they will use their power to condemn us. Well, they

1049
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.679
<v Speaker 1>desire us, and they fuck us and they pay us.

1050
01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:07.960
<v Speaker 1>They also work to obliterate us because something inside themselves

1051
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.360
<v Speaker 1>is so deeply broken. And these are the people who

1052
01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:14.079
<v Speaker 1>will always deserve to be out. And I'm sorry not

1053
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.319
<v Speaker 1>so if he was just openly gay, no one, you know,

1054
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 1>we'd work to protect his privacy.

1055
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.680
<v Speaker 2>He was like the poster child for house faggotry.

1056
01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Right right, And you know I had a little respect

1057
01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:32.119
<v Speaker 1>for him, you know, back in what twenty sixteen when

1058
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.560
<v Speaker 1>he was actually telling the truth about Donald Trump. But

1059
01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:39.000
<v Speaker 1>as soon as Trump actually won, right, Lindsey Graham. I

1060
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:43.119
<v Speaker 1>guess he's a sub right, because God knows.

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01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for five seconds we were trying to employ that

1062
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:47.439
<v Speaker 2>the enemy of my enemy thing.

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01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no but child, no, no, no, So it just

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01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.600
<v Speaker 1>means we have eyes. What a wasted life.

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01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:02.000
<v Speaker 1>What an ugly hypocritic legacy. See, and I don't know

1067
01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:02.600
<v Speaker 1>brought in hell.

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01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:08.000
<v Speaker 2>The only good thing he did was putting several sex

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01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.640
<v Speaker 2>workers through college's that he did. We'll take that.

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01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks for that, Thanks for that. What was that?

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01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:17.880
<v Speaker 1>There was one meme that said something about he said

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01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:19.640
<v Speaker 1>something about, I don't think God is going to ask

1073
01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:24.920
<v Speaker 1>me about something, and the response was, maybe you shouldn't

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01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:28.600
<v Speaker 1>be assuming you're gonna see God, right, you know, like

1075
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:29.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe not?

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01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really, yeah, you're not on this listen, good.

1077
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Riddance, bye, bitch, ladybug. Yeah, and you would think he

1078
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:43.720
<v Speaker 1>could afford a layer.

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01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:51.479
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Oh my god. Yeah, it's a conversation piece.

1080
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but here's the thing. You know, when you don't

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01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:01.239
<v Speaker 1>have a personality, Yeah, every thing that happens now is

1082
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:06.720
<v Speaker 1>so well deserved, so well deserved, and you know, if

1083
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:10.960
<v Speaker 1>it humiliates your family and their family for generations, that's

1084
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:15.119
<v Speaker 1>who you were right, that's what you did, right, that's

1085
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the legacy you bill.

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01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to it.

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01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.119
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So, a man who threatened by Pride month's shooting was

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01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:28.319
<v Speaker 1>arrested for possession of guests child's ex abuse pictures and videos.

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01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:32.000
<v Speaker 2>That train is never late. Yeah, this is from the

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01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:32.840
<v Speaker 2>beginning of July.

1093
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, he posted let's kill every single person in

1094
01:10:39.039 --> 01:10:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the LGBTQ community online, but then he told law enforcement

1095
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:47.159
<v Speaker 1>he was just.

1096
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Trolling, bitch. Mm hmm.

1097
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Actual crimes are yeah.

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01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Agents with the FBI's Field Office in San Juan have

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01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:01.079
<v Speaker 1>arrested a man on charges related to multiple threats of

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01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:06.680
<v Speaker 1>committing anti LGBTQ plus mass violence and possession of child

1101
01:11:07.000 --> 01:11:13.720
<v Speaker 1>sexual abuse material. This train is never ever late, right, Yeah,

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01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.239
<v Speaker 1>here's these are the groomers people. Thank you here God

1103
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:18.760
<v Speaker 1>in heaven.

1104
01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:19.720
<v Speaker 9>So.

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01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:24.399
<v Speaker 1>In February, the FBI San Juan Field Office counter Terrorism

1106
01:11:24.520 --> 01:11:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Program received an anonymous tip about a social media user

1107
01:11:28.399 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 1>who appeared to be planning a mass shooting targeting the community.

1108
01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:36.239
<v Speaker 1>According to an affidavid, the user had shared a tactical

1109
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:40.520
<v Speaker 1>map showing a gay friendly bar in the metropolitan area

1110
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of Puerto Rico. Agents were able to identify the user

1111
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:49.640
<v Speaker 1>as Dela Cruz Yes. A search of his social media

1112
01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:52.600
<v Speaker 1>turned up multiple public posts dating back to at least

1113
01:11:52.640 --> 01:11:56.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. There was a photo of him pointing

1114
01:11:56.159 --> 01:11:58.760
<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be a firearm at the camera, along with.

1115
01:11:58.720 --> 01:11:59.640
<v Speaker 3>The phrase.

1116
01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Last thing you will see on Pride month in Spanish,

1117
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:09.119
<v Speaker 1>he expressed admiration for the man who carried out the

1118
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 1>massacre at Pulse. In one post, he described me as

1119
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a hero. In early June, he posted images of patches

1120
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.920
<v Speaker 1>associated with neo Nazis, over which he had written let's

1121
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 1>burn the LGBTQ community to the ground. Hunting season is on.

1122
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:35.239
<v Speaker 2>What a delightful human being.

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01:12:35.439 --> 01:12:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Right after issuing a search and seizure warrant for his

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01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Google accounts, they discovered as many as five hundred images

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01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that contained cartoon or artificial intelligence, created obscene visual representations

1126
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.880
<v Speaker 1>of minor engagement in sexually explicit conduct, and seven videos

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01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of child sexual abuse. This is what these fucking sick

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01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:08.359
<v Speaker 1>puppies jerk off to when they're not busy hating us children.

1129
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:13.359
<v Speaker 2>It never occurred to me until literally this moment, that

1130
01:13:13.439 --> 01:13:15.880
<v Speaker 2>you could use AI to make child.

1131
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.359
<v Speaker 1>They do, Oh yeah they do. And I think they

1132
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.079
<v Speaker 1>were looking for a loophole with it. But I think

1133
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's being treated the same because obviously it is.

1134
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:27.720
<v Speaker 2>It never even occurred to me to put my brains

1135
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.439
<v Speaker 2>also the other the things being a thing.

1136
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:34.880
<v Speaker 3>But they do. Mm hmm.

1137
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, the shit in his little callers

1138
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:46.279
<v Speaker 1>went beyond. He charged with interstate communication of threats, receiving

1139
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.800
<v Speaker 1>child sexual abuse material and receipt and possession of obscene

1140
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:57.840
<v Speaker 1>visual representations of child sexual abuse. Ye're welcome, I Dela

1141
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:04.760
<v Speaker 1>cruse and be fitting right. Your esteemed legacy as well.

1142
01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:06.479
<v Speaker 2>You belong in a cage.

1143
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So happy Pride month, bitch that part.

1144
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Well it's July, so now we're in wrath month.

1145
01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:16.239
<v Speaker 3>There we go. You want to do this song?

1146
01:14:16.479 --> 01:14:20.359
<v Speaker 2>He's fun, This is fun. I had to keep this

1147
01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:26.000
<v Speaker 2>on the list. So a couple of weeks ago, Donald

1148
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Trump had himself. He threw himself a party because he

1149
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.359
<v Speaker 2>was the only one that went his Great American State Fair.

1150
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.720
<v Speaker 1>You would think he'd be tired of the birthday parties

1151
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.880
<v Speaker 1>no one comes to. But anyway, I know, and Great

1152
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 1>American State Fair.

1153
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I mean it took place in a state.

1154
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:49.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's the only Actually, no, it was in

1155
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:52.079
<v Speaker 2>d C. Wasn't it. Dang, that's not really a state,

1156
01:14:52.199 --> 01:14:54.720
<v Speaker 2>is it? So none of those words are accurate.

1157
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Apparently this is worse then it looked on TV. Donald

1158
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Trump's Great American State Fair has been resoundingly mocked on

1159
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:12.279
<v Speaker 1>social media for its low turn out, as well as

1160
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the president's and his sec offants continued claims that the

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01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:21.399
<v Speaker 1>event is packed with people. One reporter, Slate's Molly Olmsted,

1162
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.920
<v Speaker 1>decided to visit the fair and see for herself whether

1163
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.199
<v Speaker 1>it is really as bad as it looks on TV,

1164
01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:29.600
<v Speaker 1>and her conclusion was it's worse.

1165
01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.800
<v Speaker 2>She said, I aimed to go down to the fair

1166
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:38.079
<v Speaker 2>and find something unexpected. It seemed possible those photos were

1167
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.319
<v Speaker 2>a matter of off hours, of poor angles or selective omission.

1168
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 2>But now we can confidently report that the Great American

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01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:48.760
<v Speaker 2>State Fair is a big old dud.

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01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Imagine that.

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01:15:52.239 --> 01:15:56.079
<v Speaker 2>No one wants to come to your beer can clan

1172
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:57.840
<v Speaker 2>rally sir right.

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01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:02.760
<v Speaker 1>The fair was planned by Trump's Freedom two fifty task

1174
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.760
<v Speaker 1>force No One's Happy right Now. It opened on June

1175
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:09.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, ran through July tenth as part of the

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01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:14.720
<v Speaker 1>nation's two and fiftieth anniversaries celebration. It's more of an

1177
01:16:14.800 --> 01:16:18.720
<v Speaker 1>SOS call It's meant to be a World's Fair style event,

1178
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:24.000
<v Speaker 1>showcasing the country's fifty six states and territories. It put

1179
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.439
<v Speaker 1>too much emphasis on trumpeting magas successes.

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01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1181
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Instead of making partisan politics the backdrop, they made it

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01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the main focus, and in doing so had apparently forgotten

1183
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that fairs are supposed to be.

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01:16:37.600 --> 01:16:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Fun, right. Yeah.

1185
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:44.479
<v Speaker 1>She described the state of deeply conservative vendors like Focus

1186
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:48.000
<v Speaker 1>on the Family and Moms for America that pitched a

1187
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:49.680
<v Speaker 1>godden country vision.

1188
01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.199
<v Speaker 2>No cotton, candy, no balloons.

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01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:59.960
<v Speaker 1>The booze from various federal agencies were hardly any more nonpartisans.

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01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.880
<v Speaker 1>The Treasury booth advertised Trump accounts, the US Department of

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01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Agriculture both greeted you with a poster of Trump pointing

1192
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.119
<v Speaker 1>and declaring America is back, and the Education Department booth

1193
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:18.920
<v Speaker 1>featured an advertisement for a patriotic museum that's a cracking

1194
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:23.560
<v Speaker 1>good time tucking Nazis. Oh my god. That department, long

1195
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:27.359
<v Speaker 1>a target of conservative iren, didn't even get a full booth.

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01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Half of its space had been given to the National

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01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. She described watching board fairgoers struggle

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01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:46.119
<v Speaker 1>to pay attention to the MAHA, Monday would make America

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01:17:46.159 --> 01:17:46.680
<v Speaker 1>hate again.

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01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Monday. I don't know.

1201
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it's going to be make America healthy again.

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01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh h events which were simply panels discussing various aspects

1203
01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of the movement in the content next to a state fair.

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01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:05.279
<v Speaker 1>These lectures couldn't hold the crowd's attention, decrying the overall

1205
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:09.640
<v Speaker 1>pamphlet forward approach of the event like.

1206
01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Have ever been to a party?

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01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Jesus? The event felt empty. It wasn't the heat, uh oh,

1208
01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and it was only a little later attendance wise that

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01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:25.039
<v Speaker 1>day than the average.

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01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Olmstead pointed out that the clearly failed event was a

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01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:32.680
<v Speaker 2>nightmare for Trump, whose opening speech for the fair claimed

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01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:37.439
<v Speaker 2>the country is quote respected by everybody, and that nobody's

1213
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:42.600
<v Speaker 2>laughing at us any more. Oh honey, they all please clap,

1214
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and yet please clap. And yet the event quote made

1215
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:53.079
<v Speaker 2>no attempt to emulate the most charming elements of fairs.

1216
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:58.560
<v Speaker 2>It instead tried limply to spread a Trump rally across

1217
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.479
<v Speaker 2>a one point five mile long fair ground. Oh dear

1218
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:05.840
<v Speaker 2>God in Heaven, with some MAHA power points thrown in.

1219
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 2>As a result, it committed one of the worst crimes

1220
01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.720
<v Speaker 2>possible in the eyes of President Trump. It made Maga

1221
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:13.640
<v Speaker 2>look boring.

1222
01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Here here, oh maggo.

1223
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the place where fun goes to die.

1224
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1225
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Fox News continues to celebrate the thousands of people attending

1226
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the fair. They even went so far as to tell

1227
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:35.199
<v Speaker 1>viewers they shouldn't believe what they're seeing. The pictures don't

1228
01:19:35.239 --> 01:19:38.800
<v Speaker 1>really tell the full story because if you look behind us,

1229
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:41.720
<v Speaker 1>you see, okay, there are a couple hundred people back there.

1230
01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:44.119
<v Speaker 1>But the truth is when you make your way over here,

1231
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:49.399
<v Speaker 1>you're in this wash of people. He said. All the

1232
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the empty grounds were directly behind. They didn't even try anymore.

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01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.039
<v Speaker 2>Not only was it not a wash of people, the

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01:19:58.079 --> 01:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>people there weren't even.

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01:19:59.600 --> 01:20:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Washed, He claimed, the fair was packed with happy people.

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01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Your lies are just ms now. Anchor Nicol Wallace burst

1237
01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:15.560
<v Speaker 1>out laughing as she read, do you think that Obama

1238
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>or sleepy Joe Biden could have done it?

1239
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>The answer is no, no, because people would have shown

1240
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:21.640
<v Speaker 2>up and had a good time.

1241
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe I'm reading this, Wallas said, Yeah, you're

1242
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:27.319
<v Speaker 1>a joke.

1243
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Obama brings Beyonce.

1244
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You're such a joke.

1245
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.479
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't even work in us a popcorn machine.

1246
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Nope, you all are a joke and.

1247
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.560
<v Speaker 2>Ones of threes of people.

1248
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows that again, you idiot.

1249
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I kind of love it. Oh, oh

1250
01:20:52.600 --> 01:21:01.680
<v Speaker 2>my god. Yeah, a crime against fun.

1251
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Once again, a party no one went.

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01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:10.920
<v Speaker 3>To.

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01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be busy that day. I didn't even

1254
01:21:14.239 --> 01:21:16.520
<v Speaker 2>tell you what it is. It doesn't matter. We'll be

1255
01:21:16.520 --> 01:21:18.920
<v Speaker 2>busy that day and sick.

1256
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:28.399
<v Speaker 1>So flow Rider apparently honored his commitment to play at

1257
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the failing Great American State Fair. He had been included

1258
01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:35.600
<v Speaker 1>in the initial announcements of performers set to play gigs

1259
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>at the State Fair. However, the headline artists I guess

1260
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>besides him, including Martina McBride, Brett Michaels, The Commodore's Young

1261
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>MC and Millie Vuckin Vanilli, all canceled shortly after the

1262
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:53.239
<v Speaker 1>event was announced, citing the political shadow over the event

1263
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.640
<v Speaker 1>to celebrate America's two hundred and fifties. So you know,

1264
01:21:56.720 --> 01:21:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I guess once they got win that it was nothing

1265
01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>but a big Trump they all left.

1266
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:04.119
<v Speaker 2>You couldn't even get Millie Vanilli to come, and one

1267
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>of them's dead.

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01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, except flow Rider made sure nobody thought he was

1269
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.319
<v Speaker 1>signaling his support for Trump and the Republican party by

1270
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:14.399
<v Speaker 1>performing at the event. Via a post on social media.

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01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.439
<v Speaker 1>On the same night he electrified the crowd. On the

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01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:22.439
<v Speaker 1>Mall Crowd, he formally endorsed a Democrat running for Congress

1273
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:24.960
<v Speaker 1>on his million strong Instagram.

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01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, apparently, like no one came for the main event,

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01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:30.039
<v Speaker 2>but like his performance actually had a crowd.

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01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Flow Ryder and Vanilla Ice I know the only acts

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01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:39.199
<v Speaker 1>who did not pull out of the event. While Vanilla

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01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Ice addressed the controversy around performing for Trump, flow Ryder

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01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.920
<v Speaker 1>remained silent on his appearance. The closest he came to

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01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.560
<v Speaker 1>making a statement was a post on June first, where

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01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.439
<v Speaker 1>he did not mention Trump by name, but said, regardless

1282
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:56.279
<v Speaker 1>of all the noise in the world, we can still

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01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>choose every day to be positive and share good news.

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01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:02.920
<v Speaker 1>That all ended when he appeared on the stage for

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01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.840
<v Speaker 1>his free performance at the State Fair, he addressed the

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01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>gravity of the occasion. During the show, he told the

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01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:13.800
<v Speaker 1>crowd America's birthday. This is something I don't take for granted.

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01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.479
<v Speaker 1>This is something that's going down in history. To be

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01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>here tonight, so to come out here and show my

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01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>gift and understand what purpose is gift, Understand what the

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01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.000
<v Speaker 1>assignment is it's only right that we come out and

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01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:33.119
<v Speaker 1>spread contagious love. Unlike most attractions at the event, flow

1293
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Rida managed to draw a large audience, as seen in

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01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:39.680
<v Speaker 1>footage shared by the fair organizers.

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01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Because white people love that damn song.

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01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:46.079
<v Speaker 1>One attendee said. The rapper invited audience members on stage

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01:23:46.119 --> 01:23:52.239
<v Speaker 1>and handed out flowers unsigned sneakers. The state fair has,

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01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:55.560
<v Speaker 1>of course been dogged by lackluster attendants, a brutal heat

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01:23:55.600 --> 01:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>wave and environmentally damaging fireworks, as well as visibly melted,

1300
01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:03.800
<v Speaker 1>botched repairs on Trump's wrap.

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01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Look up, arch.

1302
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I was ready to clown Flow right up for participating.

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01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Is that why you posted this and shot?

1304
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Well? Because he used the stage to endorse a Democrat

1305
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:21.960
<v Speaker 2>he did.

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01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that is, isn't it.

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01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the reason why I kept it, because I

1308
01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:30.319
<v Speaker 2>was like, really, they dug you out of obscurity for

1309
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:34.039
<v Speaker 2>this shit, but then he used it for good, so okay.

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01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he endorsed Democrat Bernard Taylor. He was running for

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01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:41.000
<v Speaker 1>election to the US House to represent Florida's twenty first

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01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:43.039
<v Speaker 1>in Congressional d That's actually.

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01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Kind of awesome. Yeah, And Vanilla Ice, he didn't got

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01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:50.760
<v Speaker 2>no integrity. He just shows up because you ask him to.

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01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.199
<v Speaker 2>You give him twenty dollars a ride home and maybe

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01:24:54.239 --> 01:24:58.039
<v Speaker 2>a snack, and he'll sing his one little song for

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01:24:58.159 --> 01:24:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you probably.

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01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, it's a joke. The whole thing is

1319
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:09.479
<v Speaker 1>a joke. Yeah, it's a ridiculous failure, as is our

1320
01:25:10.199 --> 01:25:15.840
<v Speaker 1>resident in the White House. That mother photo. Yeah. Oh

1321
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:22.720
<v Speaker 1>oh wait, let's see what am I reading? Vanilla isis

1322
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:27.279
<v Speaker 1>show was canceled two hours before he was due to

1323
01:25:27.319 --> 01:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>perform at an I Love the Nineties concert due to

1324
01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>inclement weather.

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01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, even God didn't want him to perform.

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01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>The fair was closed for the remainder of the day

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01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:42.079
<v Speaker 1>for safety.

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01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, so we could be safe from Vanilla.

1329
01:25:46.840 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 1>And just to put a bow on it. Trump has

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01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:53.560
<v Speaker 1>reportedly been livid about the poor attendants at the fair,

1331
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and some White House officials who shared revealing photos from

1332
01:25:58.239 --> 01:26:05.279
<v Speaker 1>his speech were even told to lead them. You know,

1333
01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like, fuck all, y'all.

1334
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1335
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:10.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1336
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:15.199
<v Speaker 2>It's just as well though, because Vanilla ICE's song Ice

1337
01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Ice Baby has been co opted by people who use

1338
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>it to talent immigrants.

1339
01:26:20.960 --> 01:26:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Hawks News is token liberal commentator Jessica Tarlov. Yeah, yeah,

1340
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it was quick to poke fun at the absence of

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01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>crowds at the Great American State Fair. She's a Democratic

1342
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:39.199
<v Speaker 1>Party strategist co host of The Five visited the fair

1343
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>while co hosting a special broadcast from the site with

1344
01:26:43.520 --> 01:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>colleagues Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfield, Dana Perino, and Joey Jones.

1345
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Plenty of room at the state Fairs, she wrote in

1346
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.600
<v Speaker 1>one post on the side of a photo of a

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01:26:53.680 --> 01:27:01.159
<v Speaker 1>completely empty field. She also posted a video telling viewers,

1348
01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:05.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm at the State Fair. It is as empty as advertised.

1349
01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:07.840
<v Speaker 1>It is also so hot that it's not really safe

1350
01:27:07.880 --> 01:27:08.479
<v Speaker 1>to be out of here.

1351
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

1352
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>That Thursday was the hottest July second on record, with

1353
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>afternoon temperatures above one hundred degrees and extreme heat warning

1354
01:27:18.159 --> 01:27:20.119
<v Speaker 1>was in effect throughout the day.

1355
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Even the tumbleweeds that were rolling through went home. Early.

1356
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Fox News inadvertently drew attention to the lack of crowds,

1357
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:35.439
<v Speaker 1>with Michael Estemy reporting live from the fair and streaming

1358
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:38.279
<v Speaker 1>just how hot it was. The current temperature outside right now,

1359
01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>by the way, one hundred one degrees a factor in

1360
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the humidity, and it feels like one hundred and ten

1361
01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:46.199
<v Speaker 1>right now. But let me tell you something that does

1362
01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>not stop our true patriots, he continued, as the camera

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01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:55.000
<v Speaker 1>panned over a largely empty field with some two dozen

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01:27:55.159 --> 01:28:01.199
<v Speaker 1>visitors visible in frame. Backtracking slightly, he noted that the heat,

1365
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>though certainly keeping the crowds at bay well at the

1366
01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:10.399
<v Speaker 1>same time claiming that plenty of folks are still braving

1367
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>the heat.

1368
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:12.319
<v Speaker 2>So it was more than I thought.

1369
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:12.600
<v Speaker 3>It was.

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01:28:12.680 --> 01:28:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Fours of sixes of people.

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01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's say, Oh god, it's so sad.

1372
01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:40.079
<v Speaker 1>It's all so sad. It's also sad. Oh so a

1373
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:45.159
<v Speaker 1>resounding joke across the board.

1374
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>It was met with a resounding wall wall for.

1375
01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>The hated president with the dirty diapers. Oh my god,

1376
01:28:57.439 --> 01:28:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and this has been your moment of.

1377
01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:06.199
<v Speaker 8>Etoia people taking pleasure Raal nine.

1378
01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I know right, cathartic it was. So

1379
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>it's been a minute. What is the current fifteen minute favor?

1380
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>You got one? And where to come from?

1381
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I know, I do, I think I know.

1382
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>So.

1383
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:30.279
<v Speaker 2>My name is Charles Tyson Junior, and I have a problem.

1384
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:36.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't stop listening to this damn song. I haven't

1385
01:29:36.479 --> 01:29:39.159
<v Speaker 2>gone where did you come across this song? I haven't

1386
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.439
<v Speaker 2>gone a day in three weeks without listening to it.

1387
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:48.079
<v Speaker 2>It comes from the soundtrack of the current hit television

1388
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>series The Vampireless Stats. So a big part of the

1389
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.279
<v Speaker 2>story of the vampirelest stat is that he awakens from

1390
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>his one hundred of year's slumber and becomes a rock star.

1391
01:30:03.359 --> 01:30:06.159
<v Speaker 2>And there's a soundtrack that's released as a campaign to

1392
01:30:06.199 --> 01:30:08.199
<v Speaker 2>the show when they release a new track with every

1393
01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:14.000
<v Speaker 2>every episode, and this one it's so good. It's called

1394
01:30:14.039 --> 01:30:19.159
<v Speaker 2>The Loneliness, and it just it was a fifteen minute

1395
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>fave before the episode was over, and I can't go

1396
01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>a single day without listening to it or singing it.

1397
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:28.960
<v Speaker 2>It's it's I think I have a problem.

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01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>Well let's all find out together as we go out

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01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to the break.

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01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.279
<v Speaker 2>With the Loneliness by the Vampire listad.

1401
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:40.239
<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back.

1402
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:52.439
<v Speaker 9>You can't fuck away, wait till you done, till you

1403
01:30:52.439 --> 01:31:01.319
<v Speaker 9>you can come. You can't wait.

1404
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:08.600
<v Speaker 8>The os, It'll wait till the next day.

1405
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:14.119
<v Speaker 9>Like a heading sucking you drive.

1406
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:25.840
<v Speaker 8>You can't say this look mass it'll say what a mess?

1407
01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:28.079
<v Speaker 1>How a boy?

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01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Don't hide it up?

1409
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:52.560
<v Speaker 10>Way, don't bury those feeling, don't wrship that.

1410
01:31:54.560 --> 01:31:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Done on, don't burn.

1411
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And we're back. We're back at a so a that

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01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:51.800
<v Speaker 1>song leaves me damp.

1413
01:32:52.960 --> 01:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>But sad, and who amongst us has not found ourselves

1414
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>in such a state right at some point or another,

1415
01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:14.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm confused, fair fair enough.

1416
01:33:19.439 --> 01:33:22.199
<v Speaker 1>That was a four day break, by the way, it

1417
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:32.359
<v Speaker 1>is now Sunday, July nineteenth, and heart seriously, So, as

1418
01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:35.840
<v Speaker 1>we started this episode, we found out that we had

1419
01:33:35.880 --> 01:33:40.920
<v Speaker 1>tickets to see Cats the Jellico Ball, and last night

1420
01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>we did just that. Yes, oh my god.

1421
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:51.239
<v Speaker 2>So I think it went like something like this Jelicle

1422
01:33:51.279 --> 01:33:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Cats and then it started crying, and then it didn't.

1423
01:33:53.000 --> 01:34:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Stop, and then you did stop. Yeah, And at intermission

1424
01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:08.439
<v Speaker 1>you went to the restroom and Elizabeth and I had

1425
01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a moment with Cameron Mannheim.

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01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, who was one of the celebrity guests.

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01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>She was sitting directly like right across the aisle from me, yes,

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01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>and they introduced her and she did go up on

1429
01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:31.319
<v Speaker 1>stage with Ray Meagan, who was the singer Yes, okay,

1430
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and they were the celebrity judges for the evening. And

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01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I said to Elizabeth, that's Cameron Mannheim and she she

1432
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>just like had a moment of who's that? And I

1433
01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>showed her a slightly older picture and Elizabeth, oh my god, right, oh,

1434
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.760
<v Speaker 1>my god, and she's in Susan Warner's promo video and

1435
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.159
<v Speaker 1>I remembered that I had forgotten all about this. Well,

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01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go say hello, And before I knew it,

1437
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:03.159
<v Speaker 1>we were saying hello, up, and which is time? Anytime

1438
01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you spend with Elizabeth.

1439
01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.439
<v Speaker 2>And I come back and you're like showing me pictures

1440
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:08.600
<v Speaker 2>of hanging out with Cameron.

1441
01:35:09.439 --> 01:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>She said, oh, my god, let's take a picture and

1442
01:35:12.720 --> 01:35:14.079
<v Speaker 1>send it to her. Well, it wound up being a

1443
01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>little video of us saying hey to Susan.

1444
01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Because she was taking videos of a photo. Yes, was

1445
01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>taking a video, and She's like, okay, let's say hi.

1446
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>So we said hi. That was incredible. I did fangirl.

1447
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to interrupt her time there because you know, Broadway,

1448
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>but she was lovely and I did fangirl because Cameron Mannheim,

1449
01:35:40.520 --> 01:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, spent many years as an actress of size

1450
01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>and really carved a niche for herself for smart women. Yeah,

1451
01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and I just love her work.

1452
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I've always enjoyed her.

1453
01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, she has I read up, you know, because

1454
01:35:57.000 --> 01:36:00.039
<v Speaker 1>she has lost quite a bit of weight and the

1455
01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:03.119
<v Speaker 1>old fashioned way, you know, diet, exercise and all of that,

1456
01:36:03.159 --> 01:36:04.439
<v Speaker 1>and she looks terrific.

1457
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:06.079
<v Speaker 3>She does.

1458
01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:09.720
<v Speaker 1>At first, I didn't recognize her at first in profile,

1459
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:12.199
<v Speaker 1>and then I was like, and then after they introduced her,

1460
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:14.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh my god, I am such a fan

1461
01:36:15.159 --> 01:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>and I did manage to say that much. And then

1462
01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>we you know, let her be right. That was just

1463
01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:29.279
<v Speaker 1>the first little thing that happened. And then afterwards, well

1464
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:32.560
<v Speaker 1>you can talk about if you want to.

1465
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>So it turns out that Elizabeth happens to be old friends.

1466
01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:43.720
<v Speaker 2>They go way back with one of the stars of Cats,

1467
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Agelica Ball.

1468
01:36:45.039 --> 01:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Someone argue these stars.

1469
01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Some would argue these star He goes by the name

1470
01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>of andre To fucking Shields. That was just me andre

1471
01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:58.359
<v Speaker 2>To Shields, who I have been a huge fan of

1472
01:36:59.079 --> 01:37:03.760
<v Speaker 2>since I I was how old are you in fifth grade? Ten?

1473
01:37:04.840 --> 01:37:05.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess so since I was like that ten years old,

1475
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I have been a huge fan of Andrea Shields. And

1476
01:37:12.279 --> 01:37:16.159
<v Speaker 2>so apparently Elizabeth had texted him and was like and

1477
01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.159
<v Speaker 2>told him that and asked if it was okay if

1478
01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:24.079
<v Speaker 2>we had a little moment, and apparently it was because

1479
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:28.720
<v Speaker 2>after the show we were told to hang out near

1480
01:37:28.760 --> 01:37:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the stage door. We were given we were put on

1481
01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:34.439
<v Speaker 2>the list and given wristbands, and then someone came and

1482
01:37:34.439 --> 01:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>collected us and we went not to meet Andrea Shields,

1483
01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and I got to tell him that he's an inspiration

1484
01:37:42.960 --> 01:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>to me. And I said, I wasn't going to cry,

1485
01:37:47.079 --> 01:37:48.640
<v Speaker 2>but I did.

1486
01:37:49.319 --> 01:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was. He could not have been

1487
01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:55.640
<v Speaker 1>more lovely or more gracious, I know. And you know,

1488
01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:58.560
<v Speaker 1>we were kind of trying to rush ourselves out just

1489
01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>because you know, he in fairness, the man is eighty

1490
01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>years old and he did two shows yesterday and this

1491
01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>was at the end of the second one, and you know,

1492
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>he was up for a visit which was incredible, just incredible,

1493
01:38:14.840 --> 01:38:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and I, you know, just blurreted out that our our

1494
01:38:21.359 --> 01:38:24.760
<v Speaker 1>friend Gregory King wrote an amazing essay which we will

1495
01:38:24.880 --> 01:38:30.479
<v Speaker 1>link to in this episode. Wrote an amazing piece about

1496
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Jelicable canceling early last performance at August eighthly closing early

1497
01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and well they had announced an extended run and then

1498
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:52.560
<v Speaker 1>canceled them. And really excellent thought provoking piece that you

1499
01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>had you messaged Gregory about. We will be interviewing him

1500
01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:00.279
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow Monday, Yes, and get that episode out as well, well,

1501
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:04.880
<v Speaker 1>talking about you know, this piece that really examines what

1502
01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>closes and what gets to hang around, right, and the

1503
01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:12.359
<v Speaker 1>fact that it's not just about money, so it will

1504
01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:16.760
<v Speaker 1>be a very interesting conversation. Andre said, please do send

1505
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>me that article. So I have his phone number on

1506
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:25.119
<v Speaker 1>my phone now and I did send the article and

1507
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:27.319
<v Speaker 1>he said, I'm I just read that and I'm sharing

1508
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it on social media, so squee. We sent that to

1509
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Gregory so he would know. But it really is a

1510
01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:37.079
<v Speaker 1>great piece and it's going to be a great interview

1511
01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because there is such a larger conversation to be had

1512
01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the other person that we ran into while we waited

1513
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to you know, we were let inside backstage, and then

1514
01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:58.439
<v Speaker 1>as we were waiting, Temptress Chastity Moore, who is an

1515
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>amazing Zabella trans woman who played Grizabella roots very much

1516
01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>in Ballroom but apparently has not been on stage for

1517
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:13.479
<v Speaker 1>about twenty years, saying the literal fuck had a memory

1518
01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and the song never made me cry before I was

1519
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:23.279
<v Speaker 1>bawling because there was a moment, you know, Grizabella kind

1520
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:27.159
<v Speaker 1>of looks crazy and in the beginning and a bag

1521
01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>lady basically, and there's a character trying to remember the

1522
01:40:34.039 --> 01:40:41.840
<v Speaker 1>character's name. Syllabus syllabus sibylists, Sibylists syllabus sibylists. I think anyway,

1523
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:46.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a moment and oh and you rightly picked out

1524
01:40:47.239 --> 01:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>We thought for a moment that the costume was an

1525
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>homage to Marcia P. Johnson because there was a ring

1526
01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of flowers, but you saw.

1527
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:01.279
<v Speaker 3>What it really was.

1528
01:41:01.840 --> 01:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was like, oh, wait, that is the cover

1529
01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of the book All Boys Aren't Blue.

1530
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes it is, Yes it is.

1531
01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, and you know, it's a fierce

1532
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:19.439
<v Speaker 2>intentional reference either way. But once you realize you know

1533
01:41:19.479 --> 01:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>it's the book cover, it makes everything else about the

1534
01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:24.319
<v Speaker 2>character makes so much more sense.

1535
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Right right transferm Human Teddy Wilson Jr. Syllabub Syllabub syllabub

1536
01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:38.359
<v Speaker 1>and you know pink overalls, which I think is also symbolic. Yeah,

1537
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and you know the crown of sunflowers. And there was

1538
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:47.079
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Syllabub had had tried at the end

1539
01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>of the first act to present Grizabella with a gown,

1540
01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>and she kind of brushed the young person away, and

1541
01:41:56.720 --> 01:42:00.720
<v Speaker 1>then you know in the second act she's she's in

1542
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the gown, and there was a moment between the two

1543
01:42:03.399 --> 01:42:08.800
<v Speaker 1>of them that made me burst into tears, saying, because

1544
01:42:08.880 --> 01:42:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting there with Elizabeth, with whom you know, run

1545
01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Transformation Collective. We have been doing this work together for

1546
01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the last six years, and you know, Elizabeth extends well

1547
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:29.479
<v Speaker 1>beyond that in terms of you know, mutual transsupport and

1548
01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>discussion and aid. And that moment sort of summarized for

1549
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:39.399
<v Speaker 1>me what we do and it was just I cried

1550
01:42:39.439 --> 01:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>through the whole fucking the I cried and cried because

1551
01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:44.159
<v Speaker 1>it was beautiful.

1552
01:42:44.479 --> 01:42:46.560
<v Speaker 2>It was That's why I was sobbing. At first. I

1553
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, this exists places.

1554
01:42:50.520 --> 01:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>To show that should run for years.

1555
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:55.279
<v Speaker 2>I agree. Like the fact that, like the fact that

1556
01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:57.079
<v Speaker 2>it was happening in front of me, just made me

1557
01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:59.279
<v Speaker 2>cry because it was so beautiful, seeing all these like

1558
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:05.600
<v Speaker 2>beautiful full queer black and brown like trans feme just

1559
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>all these wonderful people and killing it.

1560
01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Elizabeth and I got to have a conversation

1561
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:19.359
<v Speaker 1>with Chassidy that was totally unexpected. What a gift, you know,

1562
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:23.079
<v Speaker 1>And I said, enjoy every moment of this. Just soak

1563
01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:27.439
<v Speaker 1>it in because she got a long standing ovation for

1564
01:43:28.560 --> 01:43:32.279
<v Speaker 1>it and I could feel her soaking it in.

1565
01:43:33.880 --> 01:43:38.239
<v Speaker 2>We may or may not have help facilitate that standing

1566
01:43:38.279 --> 01:43:41.039
<v Speaker 2>ovation because we're all screaming our full heads off, and

1567
01:43:41.079 --> 01:43:43.239
<v Speaker 2>I look around, like, why is everyone sitting? And then

1568
01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I started to get up, and then everyone.

1569
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Else we've stood up, and we stood up. I could

1570
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:51.800
<v Speaker 1>not stand up exactly. It was just amazing and so

1571
01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:55.159
<v Speaker 1>well deserved, and you know, of course the entire cast.

1572
01:43:55.680 --> 01:44:03.960
<v Speaker 1>This is such a celebration of black, queer and trans

1573
01:44:04.000 --> 01:44:09.039
<v Speaker 1>excellence and enjoy and creativity and oh my god, what

1574
01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a show.

1575
01:44:10.039 --> 01:44:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking around like all of your Broadway stars now

1576
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:16.319
<v Speaker 2>and as it fucking should be. Oh my god.

1577
01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and.

1578
01:44:19.800 --> 01:44:26.439
<v Speaker 2>Just and you know the show has You can enjoy

1579
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:30.119
<v Speaker 2>the show no matter who you are. But if you know,

1580
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:35.560
<v Speaker 2>if you know ballroom and if you know queer, black

1581
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and brown folks, there are moments that it's like, oh

1582
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.319
<v Speaker 2>that was for us, that was like and my favorite

1583
01:44:44.920 --> 01:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>is a line I never thought I would hear in

1584
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>a Broadway show. I thought it was kind.

1585
01:44:52.840 --> 01:45:01.439
<v Speaker 1>Like it was okay, right, So yeah, wow, just what

1586
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:02.079
<v Speaker 1>a night.

1587
01:45:02.800 --> 01:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>What a night.

1588
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So sorry to see it close. We're going to do

1589
01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:11.760
<v Speaker 1>everything we can to at least have this conversation a

1590
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:14.479
<v Speaker 1>little bit differently than Andrew. Lloyd Weber is trying to

1591
01:45:14.479 --> 01:45:16.039
<v Speaker 1>have this conversation, which we'll.

1592
01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Talk about later.

1593
01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I was so moved and so thrilled all night, just

1594
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:29.119
<v Speaker 1>all night. It was captivating. This was elizabeth second time

1595
01:45:29.199 --> 01:45:32.479
<v Speaker 1>saying it. She told me I want to go back,

1596
01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and we had tickets to go on your birthday, as

1597
01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned top of the show. But this all worked out.

1598
01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeahsing The new closing date is now a week before

1599
01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>when we would have.

1600
01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Gone exactly exactly the weekend before. What a show, what

1601
01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>a night, what a filled with bonuses, you know. And

1602
01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>then this morning it's surreally texting with Susan Warner and

1603
01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:02.720
<v Speaker 1>then Andre de Shields.

1604
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>And we're talking and I'm just sitting there like, look at.

1605
01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Us, and I was like, you know, whos on the

1606
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.840
<v Speaker 1>other end of this text right right? And sharing photos

1607
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:18.359
<v Speaker 1>from the evening and just relishing at it all.

1608
01:46:19.479 --> 01:46:19.680
<v Speaker 3>What.

1609
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I am so grateful we got to do that. And

1610
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, as much as I loved meeting Andrea, seeing

1611
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you meet Andre is what's going to stick with me forever.

1612
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm so so thrilled you got to do that me too.

1613
01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.039
<v Speaker 2>And tonight I got to go back to work and

1614
01:46:37.079 --> 01:46:41.119
<v Speaker 2>act like my entire life hasn't been changed, right.

1615
01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:46.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So more to come, Like I said, we will

1616
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:48.239
<v Speaker 1>be talking to Gregory. We will try to get this

1617
01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:51.399
<v Speaker 1>episode and then that episode, or however this works out

1618
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.800
<v Speaker 1>out as quickly as possible. I believe you've had time

1619
01:46:54.600 --> 01:47:00.680
<v Speaker 1>during the break to edit up until the day. Sad

1620
01:47:00.920 --> 01:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>fifteen minute.

1621
01:47:01.760 --> 01:47:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Fave, damp and sad might be the working title to

1622
01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:08.239
<v Speaker 2>this episode so far.

1623
01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:21.319
<v Speaker 1>There's my basement, folks, both of them in the never Mind,

1624
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:23.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna never Mind.

1625
01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Shall huge celebration.

1626
01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Of just again, excellence and joy and I can't say enough.

1627
01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:41.520
<v Speaker 1>If you have any opportunity to get there, get run,

1628
01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:43.119
<v Speaker 1>don't walk, joke, get there.

1629
01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:45.359
<v Speaker 2>And we were in the second row.

1630
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:47.319
<v Speaker 1>We were in the second row, Yes we were.

1631
01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:52.199
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like there's not a bad seat for

1632
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>this show because you know, we're up front, so we

1633
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:58.520
<v Speaker 2>get all the characterization in the side comments. Oh yeah,

1634
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:00.640
<v Speaker 2>if you're up a little further, you get to see

1635
01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:03.720
<v Speaker 2>all the choreography in the formations, like there's there's a

1636
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>reason to be in every.

1637
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, we saw all of it. Yeah, we saw everything

1638
01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>from right there next to Cameron Manheim. Brilliant seats, brilliant

1639
01:48:14.640 --> 01:48:16.399
<v Speaker 1>And it was a fluke that they were available and

1640
01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth grabbed them. Happy Anniversary, happy Birthday, og anniversary, Andy

1641
01:48:23.000 --> 01:48:28.359
<v Speaker 1>and birthday indeed and thank you. Yes, yes, and Kathy

1642
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:30.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't go with us, but I did get her a

1643
01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:34.279
<v Speaker 1>fan and an autographed playbill, So yes, I think I

1644
01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:37.399
<v Speaker 1>made up for and we missed her. I think she

1645
01:48:37.439 --> 01:48:42.439
<v Speaker 1>would have loved that, truly our typical Broadway pal.

1646
01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm I wish uh my dearly departed bestie Christina could

1647
01:48:49.760 --> 01:48:52.560
<v Speaker 2>have been around so I could tell her that we

1648
01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:55.840
<v Speaker 2>met camera or that we that Cameron Mannheim was in

1649
01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:56.279
<v Speaker 2>the building.

1650
01:48:56.479 --> 01:49:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, oh we met her. We have photographic evidence,

1651
01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>it's true, of the three of us together. Yeah, I

1652
01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:08.560
<v Speaker 1>feel lighter, So do I in all the michigas and

1653
01:49:08.640 --> 01:49:14.199
<v Speaker 1>bullshit which we are about to get to. Had we

1654
01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>had just an amazing, amazing Saturday. Yeah, I don't want

1655
01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:24.039
<v Speaker 1>to do this next part, but I do because these

1656
01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:26.399
<v Speaker 1>are conversations we've been sitting on for a bit. So

1657
01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:33.319
<v Speaker 1>without further ado, it is time for the cavalcade of

1658
01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>complete and utter fucking nonsense.

1659
01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:38.520
<v Speaker 9>Boo.

1660
01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:39.239
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1661
01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:44.800
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, an article came out this was uh, you know,

1662
01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Reid, Thank God for Aaron Reid. After the trans

1663
01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:52.680
<v Speaker 1>athlete bands, the Heritage Foundation now sets its sights on

1664
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>dismantling Title nine. Raise your hand if you didn't see

1665
01:49:57.600 --> 01:50:03.359
<v Speaker 1>this coming and warn others anyway, anyone? Ber uh huh?

1666
01:50:03.399 --> 01:50:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And you know, in light of recent anti trans athlete

1667
01:50:08.119 --> 01:50:11.439
<v Speaker 1>rulings from the bought and paid for Supreme Court, well,

1668
01:50:12.239 --> 01:50:15.279
<v Speaker 1>a senior member of the Heritage Foundation is imagining a

1669
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:19.520
<v Speaker 1>future that looks a lot like the past. One where

1670
01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:23.359
<v Speaker 1>a key provision of Title nine, a foundational law preserving

1671
01:50:23.439 --> 01:50:28.600
<v Speaker 1>gender equality, is gutted. Yeah, One where women in sports

1672
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:34.439
<v Speaker 1>and in academia are sidelined in deference to men. Imagine

1673
01:50:35.199 --> 01:50:40.279
<v Speaker 1>one where trans people don't exist at all. Title nine's

1674
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:48.199
<v Speaker 1>failed experiment, Why accommodating sex differences beats engineered parody is

1675
01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:54.279
<v Speaker 1>authored by Boise State University professor doctor Scott Jenner yenor

1676
01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:59.359
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter, doesn't matter his name. Relying on sexist stereotypes,

1677
01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it calls for the government to let some schools dismantle

1678
01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>competitive women's athletics, which is already comparatively under resourced. But

1679
01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:13.199
<v Speaker 1>we care about women's sports, uh, they don't, and let

1680
01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:18.680
<v Speaker 1>women funnel into more feminine physical activities like yoga, hiking clubs,

1681
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and team cheerleading.

1682
01:51:22.079 --> 01:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Instead of what meeting contests while rolling in the mud.

1683
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you.

1684
01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Experts have been sounding the alarm about this threat since

1685
01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the inception of Project twenty twenty five and before the

1686
01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:39.800
<v Speaker 1>far rights political playbook spearheaded by the dark money of

1687
01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the Heritage Foundation.

1688
01:51:42.239 --> 01:51:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for the quote.

1689
01:51:44.399 --> 01:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this dude is, by the way, a senior

1690
01:51:46.640 --> 01:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>research fellow at Heritage. In his spare time, he's a

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<v Speaker 1>member of a secretive Christian nationalist group that's paid homage

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<v Speaker 1>to the africaner nationalist movement white supremacists of apartheid era

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01:52:01.479 --> 01:52:08.640
<v Speaker 1>South Africa. According to The Guardian, Wow Yeah. At the

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01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:13.399
<v Speaker 1>National Conservatism Conference in twenty twenty one, he said in

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01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:16.439
<v Speaker 1>no uncertain terms that women ought to be relegated to

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01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the home and be subordinate to men. He detailed what

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01:52:21.560 --> 01:52:26.359
<v Speaker 1>he sees as the evils of feminism, labeled independent women

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01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:32.000
<v Speaker 1>as medicated, meddlesome and quarrelsome, and decried college and universities

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01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:38.039
<v Speaker 1>as the citadels of our gayna cocracy per ap.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, if.

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01:52:40.319 --> 01:52:42.760
<v Speaker 1>We want a great nation, we should be preparing young

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01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:48.039
<v Speaker 1>women to become mothers, not finding every reason for young

1703
01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:51.119
<v Speaker 1>women to delay motherhood until they are established in a

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01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:56.920
<v Speaker 1>career or sufficiently independent. If every Nobel Prize winner is

1705
01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a man, that's not a failure. It's kind of a

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01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:05.880
<v Speaker 1>for celebration. Yeah, this is the great mind behind this shit.

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01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:11.039
<v Speaker 2>This motherfucker is married.

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01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this is only the most recent evidence that

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01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>legal theories that rely on anti trans talking points are

1710
01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:23.880
<v Speaker 1>carefully crafted to undermine civil rights of protections generally, Zane McNeil,

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01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:27.319
<v Speaker 1>a legal fellow at Lawyers for Good Government, told Erin

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01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:30.760
<v Speaker 1>in the Morning. Although some of its arguments may seem

1713
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:34.319
<v Speaker 1>far fetched, the theories espoused by the Heritage Foundation have

1714
01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:39.199
<v Speaker 1>a tendency to show up in federal policy. For instance,

1715
01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>the Hertist Foundation was one of the main organizations behind

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01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:48.920
<v Speaker 1>the Conservative Policy Blueprint Project twenty twenty five, which now

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01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:54.079
<v Speaker 1>has more than fifty percent implemented by the Trump administration.

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01:53:55.560 --> 01:54:01.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, here's the thing. I told you well, and

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01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I am so fucking tired of TERFs for real academic

1720
01:54:06.479 --> 01:54:12.279
<v Speaker 1>lesbians who will bend over backwards to make the language

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01:54:12.399 --> 01:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>wrap around this kind of bullshit. I ran into another

1722
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.640
<v Speaker 1>one just last week, and it's like, you know what,

1723
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and who actually had a tussle with a friend and

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01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:30.640
<v Speaker 1>accuse my friend of being performative And the real misogynist

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01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:36.079
<v Speaker 1>in the conversation because she just loves trans people while

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01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>she creates spaces that are trans exclusive. Yeah, you don't

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01:54:41.640 --> 01:54:44.159
<v Speaker 1>love me, you don't know, and I don't want your love.

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01:54:44.439 --> 01:54:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Right and at a time when we have been telling

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01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:52.479
<v Speaker 1>you that an attack on trans women is an attack

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01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:57.319
<v Speaker 1>on all women, and you say, Pisha, right, we're the

1731
01:54:57.319 --> 01:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>ones who are right in this, and stop pointing the

1732
01:55:01.039 --> 01:55:03.880
<v Speaker 1>finger at us, acting as if if we didn't exist,

1733
01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:08.119
<v Speaker 1>somehow your life would be better, because you are allowing,

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01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:14.960
<v Speaker 1>in fact, you're participating in defining women by their genital configuration,

1735
01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:21.479
<v Speaker 1>which I thought is what feminism was against right in

1736
01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the first place. So, yeah, it's happening. It's there.

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01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:31.159
<v Speaker 2>We've fucking told you.

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01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah we did, we did. Even some Democrats have adopted

1739
01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:43.960
<v Speaker 1>this harmful rhetoric. Ohio's Democratic gubernatorial candidate for the twenty

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01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:48.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty six fucking elections, Amy Acton, became just the latest

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01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:53.439
<v Speaker 1>on the left to turn on trans children, referring to

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01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>transgender girls as quote boys playing in girls sports Democrats

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01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and saying she disagreed with it on the grounds of

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01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>kids health and safety. Bullshit exactly. She joins the ranks

1745
01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:15.720
<v Speaker 1>of Congressman sess multon from Massachusetts Congressman Tom Swase of

1746
01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>New York and California Governor Gavin Newsom on that front, Yeah,

1747
01:56:23.760 --> 01:56:26.359
<v Speaker 1>this was only a step toward a broader attack on women.

1748
01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.199
<v Speaker 1>And the more you ignore the attack on trans women,

1749
01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:37.119
<v Speaker 1>the more all women and their rights are in peril.

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01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:40.920
<v Speaker 2>But he's good to me.

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01:56:41.720 --> 01:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so've we've heard about the kerfuffle in Florida with

1752
01:56:48.960 --> 01:56:56.119
<v Speaker 1>the Irish dance competition. Ch'all yeah, Florida Republicans, of course,

1753
01:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, wanted to enter the conversation because there was

1754
01:57:00.800 --> 01:57:03.960
<v Speaker 1>a trans girl who was going to compete. There was

1755
01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:09.119
<v Speaker 1>a coordinated campaign by the Florida Attorney General, James Uthmeyer

1756
01:57:09.479 --> 01:57:14.439
<v Speaker 1>to Republican members of Congress and Concerned Women for America,

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01:57:15.439 --> 01:57:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and as a result of the kerfuffle, the trans teenager

1758
01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:27.720
<v Speaker 1>ultimately withdrew from the Irish dance competition in Orlando. Now

1759
01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:32.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone was celebrating the fact that they did, in fact

1760
01:57:32.800 --> 01:57:36.119
<v Speaker 1>stand behind the trans girl and they fully intended to

1761
01:57:36.199 --> 01:57:40.680
<v Speaker 1>let her compete no matter what. Right this is true, which, yes,

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01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that's nice. Don't hold your ship in Florida. Well, then

1763
01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:50.319
<v Speaker 1>there's that don't hold your shit in Florida. In the

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01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:53.680
<v Speaker 1>first goddamn place. If you actually care about trans people,

1765
01:57:54.439 --> 01:58:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the only thing that gets through their heads is economic punishment. Truly,

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01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:04.840
<v Speaker 1>and if you really care about trans people, you will

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01:58:04.840 --> 01:58:07.680
<v Speaker 1>not hold large conferences in the state of Florida, or

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01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:11.399
<v Speaker 1>the state of Texas, or frankly, in any red state

1769
01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:15.960
<v Speaker 1>at this point, right reward the blue states where everyone

1770
01:58:16.039 --> 01:58:19.239
<v Speaker 1>is welcome and safe, and we alleviate the problem, and

1771
01:58:19.359 --> 01:58:22.760
<v Speaker 1>fuck them when they start crying about tourism. You can't

1772
01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:25.399
<v Speaker 1>have it both ways, or at least you shouldn't. We

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01:58:25.560 --> 01:58:29.399
<v Speaker 1>saw this in action way back when North Carolina first

1774
01:58:29.439 --> 01:58:34.039
<v Speaker 1>tried this shit with trans people in bathrooms, and the response.

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01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Was swift, yeah and acute yep.

1776
01:58:37.720 --> 01:58:42.159
<v Speaker 1>And they rescinded it yep. But now look where we are,

1777
01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:46.920
<v Speaker 1>so you know, this fuckery isn't going to end until

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01:58:46.960 --> 01:58:49.119
<v Speaker 1>people stop spending money in these states.

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01:58:49.439 --> 01:58:49.680
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:54.520
<v Speaker 1>As I was sitting down today to record, I read

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01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that the United Methodist Church's Oregon Idaho Conference has voted

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01:58:59.640 --> 01:59:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to move twenty seven annual conference out of Idaho Boom,

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01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:07.640
<v Speaker 1>saying recent state laws have made some transgender and non

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01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:12.560
<v Speaker 1>binary members feel unsafe. Rightly, so look at what they're threatening.

1785
01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Imagine it's against you. You want to go to that conference,

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01:59:15.319 --> 01:59:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't. The conference had already planned to return to

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01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Boise next year. Instead, delegates approved emotion directing church leaders

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01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to find a new location that is safer for all now.

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01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:29.359
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the people that are there, like the Reverend

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01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Jenny Hirst, an outreach pastor and Boisey, urged delegates to

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01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:36.920
<v Speaker 1>remain in Idaho, saying the state needs the witness and

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01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:40.560
<v Speaker 1>solidarity of the wider church now more than ever, except

1793
01:59:40.560 --> 01:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you're rewarding this behavior with money. She acknowledged the fear

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01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of many trans Idahoans are experiencing, but argued that leaving

1795
01:59:48.800 --> 01:59:52.520
<v Speaker 1>could unintentionally isolate the very communities the church hopes to support.

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01:59:53.239 --> 01:59:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Your state is isolating them. Dear moving a conference. The

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01:59:58.319 --> 02:00:07.560
<v Speaker 1>punishment in that is financial. It's financial to these miscreants

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02:00:07.600 --> 02:00:13.640
<v Speaker 1>that keep passing these laws in the first place. The

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02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Reverend Dwayne Anders, a senior pastor at Boise's Cathedral of

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02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.399
<v Speaker 1>the Rockies, shared that his own transgender child left Idaho

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02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:25.239
<v Speaker 1>because they no longer felt safe living there. Even so,

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02:00:25.520 --> 02:00:29.439
<v Speaker 1>he encouraged delegates to keep the conference in Boise, saying

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02:00:29.479 --> 02:00:33.039
<v Speaker 1>the gathering could have become a political demonstration of support

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02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:37.760
<v Speaker 1>for LGBTQ Idahoans while creating opportunities to engage lawmakers and

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02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:40.439
<v Speaker 1>local communities. Do that with your church, sir.

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02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>So your child didn't just leave Idaho. They left Idaho

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02:00:45.039 --> 02:00:45.520
<v Speaker 2>and you.

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02:00:45.720 --> 02:00:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Or something, sir. Supporters of the move pointed to Idaho's

1809
02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:54.399
<v Speaker 1>recent laws affecting transgender people, including the state's bathroom law,

1810
02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:58.039
<v Speaker 1>although enforcement has been temporarily blocked by a federal judge

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02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:01.119
<v Speaker 1>while the law is challenged in court. Any transgender Idaho

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02:01:01.239 --> 02:01:06.039
<v Speaker 1>and say the legislation has created an increasingly hostile environment. Yes,

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02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:08.920
<v Speaker 1>it has. And then we have the yah who become

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02:01:09.000 --> 02:01:16.439
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom police. And you know, non traditionally feminine CIS

1815
02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:20.239
<v Speaker 1>women usually pay a greater price than we do. It's

1816
02:01:20.279 --> 02:01:26.319
<v Speaker 1>all fucked up. It's all fucked up. Bishop Cedric Bridgeforth

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02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:30.840
<v Speaker 1>described the conversation as deeply personal, efidelegates her testimony from

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02:01:30.920 --> 02:01:35.079
<v Speaker 1>transgender members, immigrants, and people of color about their experiences

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02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:38.359
<v Speaker 1>in Idaho. At the same time, he reminded the conference

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02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:42.840
<v Speaker 1>that faithful United Methodists continue serving communities throughout the state.

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02:01:43.520 --> 02:01:48.039
<v Speaker 1>All harm is harm. The bishop reiterated the decision means

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02:01:48.039 --> 02:01:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the conference will meet outside Idaho in twenty twenty seven.

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02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:55.399
<v Speaker 1>Although a new location has not yet been announced, it

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02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:59.520
<v Speaker 1>also means Idaho will lose hundreds of visitors who typically

1825
02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:03.880
<v Speaker 1>support local hotels, restaurants, and businesses during the annual gathering.

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02:02:04.199 --> 02:02:06.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, and I know our friend Chris Matthews, who

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02:02:06.479 --> 02:02:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I would love to have back on the show, you know,

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02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:11.119
<v Speaker 1>has quite a bit to say about this about you know,

1829
02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:14.760
<v Speaker 1>we're here fighting. Please fight with us. I hear that

1830
02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:21.199
<v Speaker 1>I do, And this may be the only way we

1831
02:02:21.319 --> 02:02:29.279
<v Speaker 1>push back is economically truly, is by shaming these laws

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02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:33.439
<v Speaker 1>as they deserve to be shamed, and not holding these

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02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:40.279
<v Speaker 1>large events in states that don't welcome all. It worked before,

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02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:44.319
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I hear tourism is down in Florida,

1835
02:02:44.359 --> 02:02:47.439
<v Speaker 1>but I want to see it down further. I'm sorry, right,

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02:02:47.960 --> 02:02:52.319
<v Speaker 1>you know I can't. I'm tired of parsing my existence

1837
02:02:52.560 --> 02:02:57.239
<v Speaker 1>and watching more happen and more happen, and more happen.

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02:02:57.800 --> 02:03:05.840
<v Speaker 1>These motherfuckers, these motherfuckers. Indeed, so anyway, I thought I

1839
02:03:05.880 --> 02:03:09.800
<v Speaker 1>would lump those things together and jump on my soapbox.

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02:03:10.479 --> 02:03:15.800
<v Speaker 1>If you really care about us, don't hold conferences, gatherings,

1841
02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:21.960
<v Speaker 1>or other events in states where everyone isn't welcome, and

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02:03:22.039 --> 02:03:25.159
<v Speaker 1>good for the United Methodist Church for standing up and

1843
02:03:25.199 --> 02:03:31.239
<v Speaker 1>saying no, no, thank you, thank you. That's real reconciliation.

1844
02:03:32.039 --> 02:03:36.520
<v Speaker 1>That's real reconciliation. That's really taking care of us. Don't

1845
02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:40.399
<v Speaker 1>force us to play. Will they enforce their laws or not.

1846
02:03:40.640 --> 02:03:44.159
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that to us. Don't make us wonder are

1847
02:03:44.199 --> 02:03:48.079
<v Speaker 1>we safe? Show us that you care that we're safe. Right,

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02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:51.760
<v Speaker 1>thank you? Yeah, next up.

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02:03:52.560 --> 02:03:58.039
<v Speaker 2>So I put the story in here as a way

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02:03:58.079 --> 02:03:59.279
<v Speaker 2>to get into the main story.

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02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:00.279
<v Speaker 3>Right.

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02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I saw that.

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02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So Nolan Wells is the young man who a few

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02:04:08.640 --> 02:04:13.720
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago went on a boating trip uh in Mississippi

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02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:18.720
<v Speaker 2>with several of his white friends. He was the only

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02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:19.960
<v Speaker 2>black person in the group.

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02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:20.399
<v Speaker 3>Saw that.

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02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Or they're like sixteens altogether, maybe five of them were white.

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02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:27.399
<v Speaker 1>He was the only black.

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02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:30.520
<v Speaker 2>There was a photos four of them, but oh four,

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02:04:30.800 --> 02:04:33.760
<v Speaker 2>so it was yeah, it was five of them.

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02:04:34.279 --> 02:04:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, So four white teenagers one black teenager. Yes,

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02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:41.279
<v Speaker 1>the white teenagers returned from the trip.

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02:04:41.800 --> 02:04:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Five of them went on this boating trip. Four return

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02:04:44.439 --> 02:04:50.760
<v Speaker 2>four returned, and the four young white boys have no

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02:04:50.880 --> 02:04:53.680
<v Speaker 2>idea what happened to their friend.

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02:04:54.600 --> 02:04:55.199
<v Speaker 1>How about that?

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02:04:55.479 --> 02:05:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he didn't have his phone allegedly, and they don't

1869
02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:04.800
<v Speaker 2>know what, they don't know what happened.

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02:05:05.079 --> 02:05:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Nolan Zavi or Wells was eighteen years old. Yeah, he

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02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:14.039
<v Speaker 1>was found dead following his disappearance over the July fourth holiday. Yeah,

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02:05:14.159 --> 02:05:17.960
<v Speaker 1>his death has sparked much suspicion and left unanswered questions

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02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:21.880
<v Speaker 1>after he took a boating trip with friends to Mississippi's

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02:05:22.039 --> 02:05:23.079
<v Speaker 1>Horn Island.

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02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:24.960
<v Speaker 3>So much wrong with that sense.

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02:05:25.279 --> 02:05:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm picturing you going, mmm, I'm pretty sure

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02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna hear Banjo's on the trip now that part. Yeah,

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02:05:31.439 --> 02:05:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing well. And obviously he trusted his friends, right.

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02:05:35.760 --> 02:05:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And this is not the fifth time. And we have

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02:05:40.840 --> 02:05:44.600
<v Speaker 2>heard a story about one lone black person going on

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02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:49.359
<v Speaker 2>a trip with a bunch of white people and they

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02:05:49.399 --> 02:05:55.880
<v Speaker 2>come back and he does it. But and of course,

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02:05:56.279 --> 02:05:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, no one still knows anything. I just looked there.

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02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:02.840
<v Speaker 2>There's no new information. The family is still trying to

1885
02:06:02.880 --> 02:06:04.439
<v Speaker 2>get actual answers.

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02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm reading from the Variety article where we do

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02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:13.439
<v Speaker 1>see Byron Allen donated one hundred thousand to the GoFundMe

1888
02:06:13.560 --> 02:06:16.760
<v Speaker 1>that the family set up, and Tyler Perry is paying

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02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.720
<v Speaker 1>for the funeral. So good on them. Yes, but this

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02:06:20.600 --> 02:06:23.800
<v Speaker 1>is hideous. It is it's hideous.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was looking at the several of the instances,

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02:06:30.119 --> 02:06:32.520
<v Speaker 2>like I said, where a black person goes hanging in

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02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:34.520
<v Speaker 2>with their white friends and then the white friends come back,

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02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:39.560
<v Speaker 2>and in more than one, all of a sudden, the

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02:06:39.600 --> 02:06:43.920
<v Speaker 2>black person ends up being hung from something and they

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<v Speaker 2>call it a suicide. Like these are the things like

1897
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<v Speaker 2>y'all obviously don't know black people, because y'all aren't even

1898
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<v Speaker 2>being slick with this.

1899
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<v Speaker 1>Shit, right speak.

1900
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<v Speaker 2>So I just bring it up because we need to

1901
02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:06.159
<v Speaker 2>keep talking about this story and stories like it that

1902
02:07:06.279 --> 02:07:07.800
<v Speaker 2>keep happening way too often.

1903
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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to play in our face.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what happened really, and yes, there

1905
02:07:16.279 --> 02:07:22.920
<v Speaker 2>is a possibility that these boys didn't do anything to Nolan.

1906
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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, how the fuck do none

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02:07:28.199 --> 02:07:31.680
<v Speaker 2>of y'all know what happened? Oh, he just went away

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<v Speaker 2>to his own thing.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, why did y'all leave? Why didn't y'all try to

1911
02:07:35.720 --> 02:07:37.600
<v Speaker 2>find out what happened to him? If that's your friend?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Fuck?

1913
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<v Speaker 2>This is why I am glad that I was born

1914
02:07:45.760 --> 02:07:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and raised in a city, because you know, I have

1915
02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:52.680
<v Speaker 2>frequently in my life found myself the only non white

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02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:56.520
<v Speaker 2>person in white spaces and white friend groups and going

1917
02:07:56.560 --> 02:07:58.920
<v Speaker 2>on white outings and things. But it was always in

1918
02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:02.439
<v Speaker 2>public places with lots of other people. And they're just

1919
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<v Speaker 2>certain places that I didn't wand off to.

1920
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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. And yeah, so I mean this, we should

1921
02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:17.880
<v Speaker 1>not be having these conversations. But but wasn't.

1922
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<v Speaker 2>One of the white dudes that didn't come back exactly

1923
02:08:20.279 --> 02:08:23.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not It never is exactly. And I'm not

1924
02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:25.239
<v Speaker 2>trying to say, you know, you can't be friends with

1925
02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:27.479
<v Speaker 2>people that are different from you. Of course not. I'm

1926
02:08:27.479 --> 02:08:29.439
<v Speaker 2>not trying to say that. But what I am saying

1927
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<v Speaker 2>is people need to start putting trackers in their draws.

1928
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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.

1930
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but would that I ultimately we're found the

1931
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<v Speaker 1>pastor we need body coms. They if you were going,

1932
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<v Speaker 1>if you were going to be the only non white

1933
02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.239
<v Speaker 1>person in a group of two or more, we need

1934
02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:53.399
<v Speaker 1>you to wear a body cam for your own safety.

1935
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this is bullshit.

1936
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

1937
02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I hate that we have to be there, but fuck it.

1938
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<v Speaker 1>I can't off them White people in general. Just I

1939
02:09:04.600 --> 02:09:13.079
<v Speaker 1>got so little as it is. Yeah, yeah, this just sucks.

1940
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, peace to Loan Wells and peace to

1941
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:23.880
<v Speaker 2>his family. And I hope y'all get the answers that

1942
02:09:23.960 --> 02:09:27.159
<v Speaker 2>y'all need, because I don't even know what else to say.

1943
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, speaking of Broadway, Petty Lapone was on a gay

1944
02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:39.960
<v Speaker 1>cruise ship which was blocked apparently again from entering Egypt.

1945
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<v Speaker 2>After having been blocked from Turkey.

1946
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<v Speaker 1>And it was turned away by Turkey. And yeah, the

1947
02:09:46.399 --> 02:09:50.840
<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ plus cruise ship that Petty lapoone was performing on

1948
02:09:51.520 --> 02:09:56.079
<v Speaker 1>was blocked from entering Egypt after being banned from entering Turkey.

1949
02:09:56.319 --> 02:10:01.640
<v Speaker 1>CNN confirmed that Egyptian authorities did not all Virgin Voyage's

1950
02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Scarlet Lady to enter its waters. We had full approval

1951
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:10.119
<v Speaker 1>and they denied us clear and scept the eleventh hour.

1952
02:10:10.800 --> 02:10:13.039
<v Speaker 1>The news comes after the Pone took to Instagram on

1953
02:10:13.119 --> 02:10:16.359
<v Speaker 1>July second to reveal the ship had been turned away

1954
02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:21.000
<v Speaker 1>from Turkey. She wrote, I am shocked. The Atlanti's cruise

1955
02:10:21.159 --> 02:10:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I am performing on next week has been banned from

1956
02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:27.880
<v Speaker 1>entering Turkey. A ship, a magnificent ship full of gay

1957
02:10:27.880 --> 02:10:31.079
<v Speaker 1>men and me denied entry to Turkey simply because of

1958
02:10:31.119 --> 02:10:36.000
<v Speaker 1>who is on board. YEA shocked, really I am furious,

1959
02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:38.319
<v Speaker 1>but I am sailing as the ship will make other

1960
02:10:38.359 --> 02:10:40.479
<v Speaker 1>ports of call. I'm ready to perform for all the

1961
02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:43.359
<v Speaker 1>wonderful men on this cruise who deserves so much better

1962
02:10:43.479 --> 02:10:43.760
<v Speaker 1>than this.

1963
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<v Speaker 3>They do.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all gonna make Patty put somebody in the aye.

1965
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, you just apparently didn't say why they did it.

1966
02:10:52.960 --> 02:10:54.960
<v Speaker 2>We know why. We do know why.

1967
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<v Speaker 1>That happened. Patty spoke up. It sucks. Set sail on

1968
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<v Speaker 1>July fifth, finished its voyage in Italy Wednesday, the fifteenth

1969
02:11:05.840 --> 02:11:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and epic all gay voyage from Athens to Venice to

1970
02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:14.399
<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean's most iconic destinations. Yeah, twenty five hundred dudes.

1971
02:11:14.840 --> 02:11:17.760
<v Speaker 1>So it was what it was, is what it is.

1972
02:11:18.000 --> 02:11:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I assume you put this year

1973
02:11:20.600 --> 02:11:23.479
<v Speaker 1>because what bullshit. But you know, Patty spoke up so

1974
02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:27.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly good. I imagine in this instance bet on a

1975
02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:31.199
<v Speaker 1>two wow long as the window trans people on board.

1976
02:11:31.239 --> 02:11:36.720
<v Speaker 1>At that part, oh oh, there was a picture of

1977
02:11:36.800 --> 02:11:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Queen Camille opposing happily with who none other than Queened

1978
02:11:40.439 --> 02:11:46.039
<v Speaker 1>her fucking jk Rawlling. Yeah, well that sucks.

1979
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<v Speaker 2>That truly sucks, but yet surprises no one because she's

1980
02:11:53.039 --> 02:11:55.800
<v Speaker 2>still a rich British white woman and that's ultimately all.

1981
02:11:55.680 --> 02:11:58.840
<v Speaker 1>They care about. Yeah, I mean, I have not much

1982
02:11:58.880 --> 02:12:03.239
<v Speaker 1>more to say. That's all, So spend your money. It's

1983
02:12:03.319 --> 02:12:09.319
<v Speaker 1>not a good look and yeah, that's just heaping it on, right.

1984
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<v Speaker 2>The British monarchy is, you know, so famous for making

1985
02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:16.920
<v Speaker 2>good and healthy decisions well regards other people.

1986
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<v Speaker 1>So you know, all right, let's wrap it up with this.

1987
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<v Speaker 1>The New York Times published a twelve hundred word argument

1988
02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:29.840
<v Speaker 1>for straight approval, and the gays aren't happy about it.

1989
02:12:29.920 --> 02:12:35.279
<v Speaker 1>That reads the headline on the last day of Pride Month,

1990
02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:37.600
<v Speaker 1>because you know, why should we not go out without

1991
02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:41.760
<v Speaker 1>a smack? The New York Times published an op ed

1992
02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:45.359
<v Speaker 1>that argues gay people need to whitewash their existence for

1993
02:12:45.439 --> 02:12:49.600
<v Speaker 1>the comfort of conservative Christians. Bitch, fuck you, thanks for

1994
02:12:49.640 --> 02:12:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the offer.

1995
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<v Speaker 3>We're going to have to.

1996
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<v Speaker 1>Decline, reads this article. On quity. The writer Matthew Vines

1997
02:12:56.199 --> 02:12:59.520
<v Speaker 1>declared that he's gay, not queer, and that it matters

1998
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<v Speaker 1>to whom he is, the author of the book called

1999
02:13:02.159 --> 02:13:05.039
<v Speaker 1>God and the Gay Christian the Biblical case in support

2000
02:13:05.079 --> 02:13:08.279
<v Speaker 1>of same sex relationship. He grew up in a regressive

2001
02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:14.359
<v Speaker 1>evangelical church, as if there's any other kind church in Wichita, Kansas.

2002
02:13:14.439 --> 02:13:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Now an adult, it is apparent he still harbors self

2003
02:13:17.359 --> 02:13:22.399
<v Speaker 1>shame and resentment like many conservative gay men, and they

2004
02:13:22.439 --> 02:13:27.560
<v Speaker 1>are almost always men. Vines blames eroding support for same

2005
02:13:27.600 --> 02:13:34.479
<v Speaker 1>sex marriage on the LGBTQ plus movements alleged excesses. In particular,

2006
02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:37.760
<v Speaker 1>he fixates on the word queer. He says gay and

2007
02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:44.760
<v Speaker 1>queer are not interchangeable, despite progressive activists, organizations and media

2008
02:13:44.800 --> 02:13:48.520
<v Speaker 1>outlets like this one used queer as an umbrella term,

2009
02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:52.399
<v Speaker 1>which is how I use it, and I love it exactly.

2010
02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:56.239
<v Speaker 1>The broader trend of casting is a quote of casting.

2011
02:13:56.399 --> 02:14:01.199
<v Speaker 1>The queer net even wider, has muddled a once clear

2012
02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:05.520
<v Speaker 1>public image about who gay people are. He says, being

2013
02:14:05.600 --> 02:14:09.479
<v Speaker 1>gay begins to look less like an inborn trait and

2014
02:14:09.560 --> 02:14:15.760
<v Speaker 1>more like a chosen ideology or aesthetic twelve hundred and

2015
02:14:16.119 --> 02:14:20.960
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine words. We can boil down his argument, Chill,

2016
02:14:21.319 --> 02:14:24.600
<v Speaker 1>if we stop calling ourselves queer, then homophobes will like us.

2017
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<v Speaker 2>Nope, I know they won't, and they won't like you either.

2018
02:14:31.399 --> 02:14:33.279
<v Speaker 1>Bit I am so tired of this.

2019
02:14:33.680 --> 02:14:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I bet the most brightly decorated areas of his house

2020
02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:38.279
<v Speaker 2>are the closet and the porch.

2021
02:14:41.039 --> 02:14:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Funny you mentioned the porch. Of course, Vines, who married

2022
02:14:47.079 --> 02:14:51.840
<v Speaker 1>his husband at a Baptist church in Texas, believes obviously

2023
02:14:51.960 --> 02:14:55.680
<v Speaker 1>the struggle for gay rights is over and he doesn't

2024
02:14:55.720 --> 02:14:57.399
<v Speaker 1>want to disrupt the status quoll.

2025
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<v Speaker 2>He's what we like to call on a similist game.

2026
02:15:02.319 --> 02:15:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Is that the word a similist assimilationist house faggot? How

2027
02:15:06.039 --> 02:15:06.479
<v Speaker 1>about that?

2028
02:15:06.520 --> 02:15:07.640
<v Speaker 2>How about house does that cover?

2029
02:15:07.800 --> 02:15:11.960
<v Speaker 1>House phaget does cover it distinctly? House faggot writes for

2030
02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:15.439
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times, and those motherfuckers published it because

2031
02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:20.520
<v Speaker 1>they're Yeah, that's where that's where we are, that's where

2032
02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:25.199
<v Speaker 1>we are, God help us all. Yeah, how about it?

2033
02:15:25.760 --> 02:15:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I did not much more to say about that.

2034
02:15:27.439 --> 02:15:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's with such bullshit and drivel, and you

2035
02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>know I, as far as I know, they have yet to,

2036
02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, post any kind of counterpoint, because you know,

2037
02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:38.359
<v Speaker 1>they don't want you to think there is one.

2038
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<v Speaker 2>The lily white gays are the problem there, I said it.

2039
02:15:43.239 --> 02:15:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, at least the ones with money for sure,

2040
02:15:46.880 --> 02:15:48.399
<v Speaker 1>although the ones without money.

2041
02:15:48.199 --> 02:15:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Are better mm hmm.

2042
02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:54.800
<v Speaker 1>It's not all of them, I mean, not all waight gay.

2043
02:15:55.319 --> 02:15:59.199
<v Speaker 1>We have plenty of wake gay friends, but they tend

2044
02:15:59.239 --> 02:16:03.399
<v Speaker 1>not to make the arguments they tend to say fuck you.

2045
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<v Speaker 2>In my head, Lily White Gaze was capitalized.

2046
02:16:07.359 --> 02:16:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so water is still wet. The New York

2047
02:16:12.359 --> 02:16:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Times is still a rag.

2048
02:16:15.520 --> 02:16:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Remember when it used to be the pinnacle of exemplary journalism?

2049
02:16:19.319 --> 02:16:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah remember that?

2050
02:16:20.279 --> 02:16:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Sh Yeah, I do back before the same people that

2051
02:16:26.720 --> 02:16:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think women should not play sports at all and should

2052
02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:32.920
<v Speaker 1>get in the kitchen and make them a sandwich own

2053
02:16:33.440 --> 02:16:37.920
<v Speaker 1>our media, just saying there seems to be some Oh

2054
02:16:38.159 --> 02:16:41.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a correlation. I I don't know. I don't

2055
02:16:41.559 --> 02:16:48.200
<v Speaker 1>want to rush to judgment here anyway. Yeah, let's take

2056
02:16:48.239 --> 02:16:51.360
<v Speaker 1>one more break, yes, please, and come back and pop

2057
02:16:51.559 --> 02:16:55.479
<v Speaker 1>the culture and cleanse those palates in this Pop the

2058
02:16:55.600 --> 02:17:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Culture episode, I am standing a little taller, I gotta say.

2059
02:17:01.799 --> 02:17:05.760
<v Speaker 1>After jelical ball, I'm telling you we'll be right back,

2060
02:17:23.559 --> 02:17:24.399
<v Speaker 1>and we're bad.

2061
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<v Speaker 2>We're back. Got the little extra, little extra, that's what

2062
02:17:35.079 --> 02:17:35.600
<v Speaker 2>they call me.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh So Andrew Lloyd Webber. The headline reads, I'm reading

2064
02:17:45.520 --> 02:17:49.520
<v Speaker 1>out a playbill now. Andrew Lloyd Webber sounds alarm on

2065
02:17:49.600 --> 02:17:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Broadway's dire danger after a cat's agelical ball closing Notice, Yes,

2066
02:17:58.239 --> 02:18:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the composer is calling theater owners, unions and producers to

2067
02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:06.120
<v Speaker 1>find a fix for financial woes.

2068
02:18:07.840 --> 02:18:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he said.

2069
02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:13.680
<v Speaker 1>The truth is that for any show, it makes practically

2070
02:18:13.719 --> 02:18:16.360
<v Speaker 1>no financial sense to come to Broadway With things as

2071
02:18:16.399 --> 02:18:21.079
<v Speaker 1>they are. This is the post he put on Instagram. Creators,

2072
02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:25.600
<v Speaker 1>writers and directors have been forced to take minimal royalties

2073
02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:29.520
<v Speaker 1>for new shows, often surviving on a fixed weekly fee

2074
02:18:30.120 --> 02:18:33.360
<v Speaker 1>rather than a royalty. It makes it impossible for young

2075
02:18:33.440 --> 02:18:37.239
<v Speaker 1>creatives to make a living from theater alone. He goes

2076
02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:41.760
<v Speaker 1>on to acknowledge that Broadway's long running war horses, used

2077
02:18:41.799 --> 02:18:45.159
<v Speaker 1>to include The Phantom of the Opera and notably the

2078
02:18:45.239 --> 02:18:49.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two original production of Cats, are making money.

2079
02:18:49.680 --> 02:18:52.799
<v Speaker 1>While pointing out that Broadway cannot survive on the backs

2080
02:18:52.840 --> 02:18:57.840
<v Speaker 1>of a small handful of shows alone, he has a

2081
02:18:57.879 --> 02:19:01.280
<v Speaker 1>call to action. I know is still in love with

2082
02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:04.239
<v Speaker 1>Broadway as I was when I was a teenager. I

2083
02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:07.360
<v Speaker 1>begged the theater owners' unions and producers to come together

2084
02:19:07.959 --> 02:19:11.959
<v Speaker 1>urgently to address what is a crisis coming to a head.

2085
02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Broadway is in dire danger of rivaling Hollywood's empty sound

2086
02:19:17.239 --> 02:19:23.600
<v Speaker 1>stages with increasingly dark theaters. His remarks to in a

2087
02:19:23.719 --> 02:19:27.479
<v Speaker 1>rapidly increasing list of similar commentary for many in the industry,

2088
02:19:27.559 --> 02:19:33.239
<v Speaker 1>including several past statements from him himself, the current Cat's

2089
02:19:33.280 --> 02:19:36.280
<v Speaker 1>revival may stand as one of the starkest examples of

2090
02:19:36.319 --> 02:19:39.399
<v Speaker 1>what this group is talking about, succumbing to a short

2091
02:19:39.479 --> 02:19:43.079
<v Speaker 1>run after being well received and even being well sold.

2092
02:19:43.319 --> 02:19:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the house was full when we were.

2093
02:19:44.799 --> 02:19:47.280
<v Speaker 1>There, Yes it was. The production has yet to report

2094
02:19:47.319 --> 02:19:51.120
<v Speaker 1>attendance of less than eighty five percent at the Broadhurst Theater.

2095
02:19:52.600 --> 02:19:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Whatever the causes of the current financial movement, the new

2096
02:19:57.559 --> 02:20:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Broadway productions that seem to be most reliably finding success

2097
02:20:01.840 --> 02:20:08.600
<v Speaker 1>have overwhelmingly become almost exclusively a list star driven straight plays,

2098
02:20:08.920 --> 02:20:12.000
<v Speaker 1>with many musicals not able to survive long enough to

2099
02:20:12.079 --> 02:20:16.159
<v Speaker 1>find an audience at ticket prices that allow for profit.

2100
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<v Speaker 1>According to this.

2101
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<v Speaker 2>So the problem is not the shows but the system itself.

2102
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<v Speaker 1>Of this season's new musical productions Beaches, The Queen of

2103
02:20:34.280 --> 02:20:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Versailles and Chess have already closed. Could we have I

2104
02:20:39.319 --> 02:20:42.799
<v Speaker 1>like new ideas after struggling at the box office? And

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<v Speaker 1>of this season's musical survivors Shmigadoon, TV, The Lost Boys

2106
02:20:47.959 --> 02:20:53.520
<v Speaker 1>A Movie, Titanique movie, Two Strangers Carry a Cake Across

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02:20:53.600 --> 02:20:58.319
<v Speaker 1>New York, What Ragtime? And the Rocky horror show. None

2108
02:20:58.719 --> 02:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>have yet emerged as major box office.

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02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:08.040
<v Speaker 2>WHOA right, So from what I hear, with the exception

2110
02:21:08.120 --> 02:21:11.440
<v Speaker 2>of Titanic, not that well.

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02:21:11.760 --> 02:21:18.120
<v Speaker 1>And we keep regurgitating, you know, right, because I mean, if.

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02:21:18.000 --> 02:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>We would start, if we would do original ideas again,

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02:21:22.600 --> 02:21:27.360
<v Speaker 2>or original reimagining of ideas instead of oh, look, we

2114
02:21:27.520 --> 02:21:30.360
<v Speaker 2>like this TV show, let's put a Broadway musical about

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02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:31.239
<v Speaker 2>it up on stage.

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02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:35.200
<v Speaker 1>That's part of this argument. And then I read Gregory

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02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:39.680
<v Speaker 1>King's thought piece when the Ball Ends Early what Broadway

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02:21:39.879 --> 02:21:44.399
<v Speaker 1>just told us about whose creativity gets to last? It's

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02:21:44.440 --> 02:21:47.719
<v Speaker 1>an excellent piece. Again, we will link to it. I

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02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>mentioned it to Andre Deshields and sent him the article

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02:21:50.520 --> 02:21:53.799
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I'm posting this on my social media. Yes,

2122
02:21:54.559 --> 02:21:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Gregory hails from Broadway, right.

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02:21:57.239 --> 02:22:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was. I forget if he was first or

2124
02:22:01.040 --> 02:22:06.040
<v Speaker 2>second cast of The Lion King, but he comes from Broadway.

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02:22:06.520 --> 02:22:11.319
<v Speaker 2>He's also a fabulous dancer and critic and writer and educator.

2126
02:22:12.760 --> 02:22:15.959
<v Speaker 1>So we are going to sit down with him tomorrow, yes,

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02:22:16.520 --> 02:22:21.159
<v Speaker 1>and talk about his writing. Because the official answer to

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02:22:21.239 --> 02:22:24.879
<v Speaker 1>why Kats's closing is a large cast. As Expensive Weekly

2129
02:22:24.920 --> 02:22:28.760
<v Speaker 1>grosses around nine hundred thousand to one million can't outrun

2130
02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:34.360
<v Speaker 1>the overhead, and sales reportedly softened after the show lost

2131
02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:38.479
<v Speaker 1>best Revival to Ragtime at the Tonys And yes, they

2132
02:22:38.479 --> 02:22:43.559
<v Speaker 1>got cheated. While the financial story is real, it's worth

2133
02:22:43.600 --> 02:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>taking seriously on its own terms. But King posits there

2134
02:22:48.799 --> 02:22:51.959
<v Speaker 1>is a pattern. It fits. Inside Broadway has a long

2135
02:22:52.159 --> 02:22:56.520
<v Speaker 1>ugly history of black and brown creativity getting less institutional

2136
02:22:56.559 --> 02:23:02.879
<v Speaker 1>patients than mediocrity with better connections. Shows built around black

2137
02:23:02.879 --> 02:23:06.600
<v Speaker 1>talent have repeatedly had to hit numbers that whiter, safer

2138
02:23:06.719 --> 02:23:11.479
<v Speaker 1>productions were never required to hit to earn the same extensions,

2139
02:23:12.200 --> 02:23:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the same marketing budgets, the same runway to find an audience.

2140
02:23:17.520 --> 02:23:20.920
<v Speaker 1>When a show fuses that history with visibly queer and

2141
02:23:20.959 --> 02:23:24.360
<v Speaker 1>trans bodies on top of it, the question of who

2142
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:30.719
<v Speaker 1>gets the benefit of the doubt becomes pattern recognition. That

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02:23:31.040 --> 02:23:33.559
<v Speaker 1>is what we're going to talk about with Gregory King.

2144
02:23:34.040 --> 02:23:36.719
<v Speaker 1>We will share the article with you so much more

2145
02:23:36.719 --> 02:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>to come on this because it is an important conversation. Yeah,

2146
02:23:41.319 --> 02:23:48.680
<v Speaker 1>because this is an amazing, joyful, joy filled, groundbreaking reimagining

2147
02:23:49.959 --> 02:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>of cats. Yeah, it is something totally new blew us away.

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02:23:56.840 --> 02:23:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have wanted to see this since before

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02:23:59.760 --> 02:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>went into production off Broadway.

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02:24:01.760 --> 02:24:03.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the second I heard that this is a thing

2151
02:24:04.120 --> 02:24:05.799
<v Speaker 2>that was going to exist, I was.

2152
02:24:05.799 --> 02:24:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Like, oh my god, yes, yeah, truly, truly.

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02:24:10.079 --> 02:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And then I remember we're talking to Gregory about, you know,

2154
02:24:15.040 --> 02:24:17.600
<v Speaker 2>coming on the show. He brought up a strange loop

2155
02:24:17.639 --> 02:24:19.799
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, that's right. There was another show

2156
02:24:19.799 --> 02:24:21.959
<v Speaker 2>that I wanted to see and it won all of

2157
02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the awards, like literally all of them, and then closed

2158
02:24:26.280 --> 02:24:27.120
<v Speaker 2>a few weeks later.

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02:24:27.600 --> 02:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I'm sorry what, I'm sorry? What? Yeah, And

2160
02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:37.200
<v Speaker 1>that has to be part of the whole conversation. And again,

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02:24:37.600 --> 02:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>you know the met Live where they simulcast into a

2162
02:24:41.799 --> 02:24:44.959
<v Speaker 1>theater and charged like twenty five a ticket and you can,

2163
02:24:45.639 --> 02:24:48.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, see it up on the screen. They've figured

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02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>out how to work that out. You know, the recordings

2165
02:24:50.719 --> 02:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of Hamilton, for instance, from back in twenty sixteen on Disney.

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02:24:55.159 --> 02:24:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's pay per view, I don't know, there's some

2167
02:24:57.879 --> 02:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>subscription service already. I think, you know where you can

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02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:03.319
<v Speaker 1>see recordings of Broadway shows right for.

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02:25:03.559 --> 02:25:05.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, we need to chisel away at the

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02:25:05.319 --> 02:25:09.159
<v Speaker 2>elitism of Broadway and give more access to more people,

2171
02:25:09.399 --> 02:25:11.079
<v Speaker 2>which will translate into more.

2172
02:25:10.920 --> 02:25:18.959
<v Speaker 1>Money, right because you know, I think if I saw this,

2173
02:25:19.200 --> 02:25:22.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, a recording of this show done well, I

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02:25:22.239 --> 02:25:23.239
<v Speaker 1>would still want to say it.

2175
02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:26.239
<v Speaker 2>I would still go see Hamilton.

2176
02:25:27.239 --> 02:25:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I would still go see Hamilton. But you know, of

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02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:32.920
<v Speaker 1>course I feel differently about that. I love it. It's brilliant.

2178
02:25:33.319 --> 02:25:38.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, it was an entirely I think news style

2179
02:25:38.159 --> 02:25:44.559
<v Speaker 1>of musical and the color blank casting was important. Jellico

2180
02:25:44.639 --> 02:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Ball hit me at my core because we're celebrating people.

2181
02:25:49.040 --> 02:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>We don't celebrate it right. We're uplifting part of our culture,

2182
02:25:56.760 --> 02:26:02.159
<v Speaker 1>part of you know, black and Latine culture, that is

2183
02:26:02.280 --> 02:26:08.920
<v Speaker 1>queer culture, that is trans culture, and not much does that,

2184
02:26:10.040 --> 02:26:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and boy is it important now. And it does sicken

2185
02:26:13.479 --> 02:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>me that we couldn't find the money right because we know,

2186
02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:21.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're not making less than what was the

2187
02:26:21.680 --> 02:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>number we heard, eight hundred and eighty something thousand a week.

2188
02:26:25.440 --> 02:26:28.239
<v Speaker 1>You can't figure it out, thank you, how to let

2189
02:26:28.239 --> 02:26:31.319
<v Speaker 1>this go until January? Nobody can figure out how to

2190
02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:33.719
<v Speaker 1>do this right, and you know, and it's almost like

2191
02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want to right. And we've already seen in

2192
02:26:36.879 --> 02:26:39.479
<v Speaker 1>various articles, like there have been several injuries, there have

2193
02:26:39.520 --> 02:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>been a lot of you know, like understudies coming in

2194
02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:43.360
<v Speaker 1>for replacement.

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02:26:43.639 --> 02:26:45.760
<v Speaker 2>We weren't able to see Laomi performed because she's still

2196
02:26:45.840 --> 02:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>nursing her injuries. She's coming back the first week in August.

2197
02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>She's unfortunately the last week of the.

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02:26:52.879 --> 02:26:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Show playing Macavity. Yeah, so she'll come back to close.

2199
02:26:56.680 --> 02:26:59.719
<v Speaker 2>And I don't see it as a reason.

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02:27:01.799 --> 02:27:05.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, I saw a back and forth about all

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02:27:05.120 --> 02:27:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of this that said, you know, other than Deuteronomy and

2202
02:27:11.479 --> 02:27:14.920
<v Speaker 1>maybe even that, an understudy is not going to send

2203
02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:20.600
<v Speaker 1>people away, you know, right, the understudy for Macavity was excellent. Yeah,

2204
02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the biggest star in the show, arguably

2205
02:27:24.280 --> 02:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is Andre Deshield, an important role that is not physically taxing.

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02:27:29.120 --> 02:27:31.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean it requires him being the diva of divas,

2207
02:27:32.440 --> 02:27:36.479
<v Speaker 1>which he can do almost in his sleep. Right, And

2208
02:27:36.680 --> 02:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>you know you found that out when you didn't have

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02:27:38.719 --> 02:27:43.159
<v Speaker 1>a sharpie, the.

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02:27:43.040 --> 02:27:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Way that man looked at me like I firted on

2211
02:27:45.120 --> 02:27:47.559
<v Speaker 2>his best suit where I did not have a sharpie.

2212
02:27:48.040 --> 02:27:48.799
<v Speaker 1>I have one.

2213
02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Damn, you don't have a sharpie. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry.

2214
02:27:54.360 --> 02:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>There are rules.

2215
02:27:56.399 --> 02:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go over here and cry myself.

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02:28:03.239 --> 02:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>And the actors, as I thought, the actors that were

2217
02:28:06.239 --> 02:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>leaving out the stage that had sharpers in their hands

2218
02:28:08.879 --> 02:28:11.799
<v Speaker 1>because they're not dumb either. But of course we're talking

2219
02:28:11.799 --> 02:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>about andre Shield who was in his chesting room and

2220
02:28:14.079 --> 02:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>but he happened to have a sharpia.

2221
02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I had a pen, which apparently is.

2222
02:28:18.040 --> 02:28:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, like fuck, I know.

2223
02:28:21.799 --> 02:28:27.079
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, my point was, with a glance, Andreke Deshields

2224
02:28:27.079 --> 02:28:31.239
<v Speaker 1>can make you question your birth and the air you

2225
02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>were consuming, and that is what that presence he definitely

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02:28:38.200 --> 02:28:42.280
<v Speaker 1>brings to old Deuteronomy. And you know, you've got you

2227
02:28:42.319 --> 02:28:46.879
<v Speaker 1>in your libasia. You have the recorded that the bit

2228
02:28:47.000 --> 02:28:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of the founding mothers of ball rooms which we cried through.

2229
02:28:53.680 --> 02:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, you've got these moments that just bring the

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02:28:56.319 --> 02:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

2231
02:28:58.879 --> 02:28:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Around.

2232
02:28:59.799 --> 02:29:03.559
<v Speaker 1>So okay, you know, yeah, folks get injured. They're not

2233
02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>used to the Broadway schedule, all of them. They're just not,

2234
02:29:06.840 --> 02:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and their bodies are not, so we

2235
02:29:09.280 --> 02:29:12.760
<v Speaker 1>may have some more injuries. Ballroom is not easy, No child,

2236
02:29:14.719 --> 02:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>go ahead, and duck walk I can't.

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02:29:16.559 --> 02:29:19.639
<v Speaker 2>I cannot, I never could. I never had. The duck

2238
02:29:19.719 --> 02:29:25.319
<v Speaker 2>walk is my singular favorite element of Vogue. And it's

2239
02:29:25.360 --> 02:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>also the one that I could never do because I

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02:29:27.399 --> 02:29:29.559
<v Speaker 2>never had the knees, which is why I love it

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02:29:29.719 --> 02:29:30.040
<v Speaker 2>so much.

2242
02:29:30.079 --> 02:29:32.280
<v Speaker 1>When other people do it, you were using them for

2243
02:29:32.319 --> 02:29:33.479
<v Speaker 1>other shut up.

2244
02:29:35.879 --> 02:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>A fair.

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02:29:40.360 --> 02:29:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like that is not a I'm sorry, that's not

2246
02:29:43.959 --> 02:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a point, right, That's not a reason to close the show.

2247
02:29:47.600 --> 02:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Because the quality of the show. I don't know how

2248
02:29:51.920 --> 02:29:53.559
<v Speaker 1>if there were under studies last night, I don't know

2249
02:29:53.600 --> 02:29:57.040
<v Speaker 1>how many there were. I don't care. It was excellent.

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02:29:58.159 --> 02:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>It was excellent, and you know, give it room to

2251
02:30:01.479 --> 02:30:02.799
<v Speaker 1>breathe give it a chance.

2252
02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:06.879
<v Speaker 2>And where else can you find a talented young black

2253
02:30:06.959 --> 02:30:12.520
<v Speaker 2>or brown queer person who can vogue and sing in

2254
02:30:12.600 --> 02:30:18.600
<v Speaker 2>New York? Where where would you ever? It was gotta here?

2255
02:30:19.040 --> 02:30:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Junior Labisia by the way, Oh dear god. And

2256
02:30:22.680 --> 02:30:29.159
<v Speaker 1>again the man really had to do with diva.

2257
02:30:29.399 --> 02:30:34.159
<v Speaker 2>And did only gave the gave him one song. Yes,

2258
02:30:34.280 --> 02:30:37.159
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the time he sat on the side

2259
02:30:37.760 --> 02:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>and and caught the vibe. But you know how I

2260
02:30:42.959 --> 02:30:46.159
<v Speaker 2>know that because I couldn't take my eyes off of him.

2261
02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I was constantly up in the box, look at what's

2262
02:30:50.520 --> 02:30:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Junior doing?

2263
02:30:53.639 --> 02:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Noticing, yeah, responding with them. And I loved what they

2264
02:31:01.319 --> 02:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>did kind of with the younger version, Oh my god,

2265
02:31:06.159 --> 02:31:09.479
<v Speaker 1>of him dancing in front of him. It's just incredible, Oh,

2266
02:31:09.719 --> 02:31:12.639
<v Speaker 1>just incredibly it's beautifully, beautifully done.

2267
02:31:12.680 --> 02:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful show.

2268
02:31:13.959 --> 02:31:16.760
<v Speaker 3>It really is. It really is.

2269
02:31:17.040 --> 02:31:21.239
<v Speaker 2>And I literally say that my opinion of Cats has

2270
02:31:21.280 --> 02:31:26.719
<v Speaker 2>completely changed. Welcome to the Cats the Jelica Ball Appreciation Podcast.

2271
02:31:26.760 --> 02:31:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Everyone right, but this doesn't give me love for the original.

2272
02:31:31.120 --> 02:31:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Well that's the thing. Cats went from being that horrible

2273
02:31:34.920 --> 02:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>ass abomination that I made fun of for thirty years

2274
02:31:40.879 --> 02:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>to like possibly my favorite show I've ever seen on Broadway.

2275
02:31:45.239 --> 02:31:48.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I hear you, how about it?

2276
02:31:48.879 --> 02:31:51.840
<v Speaker 2>And all you had to do was like, actually give

2277
02:31:51.879 --> 02:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>it a context.

2278
02:31:53.360 --> 02:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>And they didn't change the songs. No, they didn't change

2279
02:31:59.760 --> 02:32:04.399
<v Speaker 1>you know. What they changed was everything and nothing. You know,

2280
02:32:05.360 --> 02:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly well done, and god damn it. So we're

2281
02:32:14.239 --> 02:32:17.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna do more about that and and and try to

2282
02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>at least add this show to the conversation with the

2283
02:32:22.799 --> 02:32:27.159
<v Speaker 1>singular Gregory King and and I'll be sharing that episode

2284
02:32:27.200 --> 02:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>with our new friend under his shield. Game of Thrones.

2285
02:32:32.159 --> 02:32:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you took it upon yourself. I went all the

2286
02:32:34.520 --> 02:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>way through it to yeah, to dive into Game of Thrones,

2287
02:32:38.360 --> 02:32:41.879
<v Speaker 2>and you went through that whole thing faster than I did.

2288
02:32:42.239 --> 02:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I did. I wasn't have a problem.

2289
02:32:45.639 --> 02:32:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I was impressed I was surprised that you like stuck

2290
02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>with it as long.

2291
02:32:48.799 --> 02:32:49.079
<v Speaker 3>As you do.

2292
02:32:49.159 --> 02:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Television watching should really not be impressive.

2293
02:32:52.680 --> 02:32:54.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, it's just like because when I was telling

2294
02:32:54.840 --> 02:32:55.559
<v Speaker 2>you about it, when I.

2295
02:32:55.520 --> 02:32:58.639
<v Speaker 1>Was watching straight up Avoidance.

2296
02:32:58.280 --> 02:33:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I waited until like last year or you werefore to

2297
02:33:00.639 --> 02:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>start watching the whole thing again because I just couldn't

2298
02:33:02.360 --> 02:33:05.719
<v Speaker 2>get into it when the first run, and you were like,

2299
02:33:05.760 --> 02:33:07.639
<v Speaker 2>this sounds like white nonsense, and I was like, well

2300
02:33:07.840 --> 02:33:11.799
<v Speaker 2>it did. It kinda is, but it's so good, and

2301
02:33:12.239 --> 02:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and you got through the whole thing.

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02:33:14.079 --> 02:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I did. In fact, I'm caught up with the House

2303
02:33:18.000 --> 02:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Dragon.

2304
02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Which I never even got into because I was like,

2305
02:33:21.040 --> 02:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I've just spent all that time and energy dealing with

2306
02:33:23.479 --> 02:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>these people. I don't want to go back in that

2307
02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>world again.

2308
02:33:25.319 --> 02:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>It is a prequel.

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02:33:26.520 --> 02:33:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do, right with reckon. I did, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying that I did. I did enjoy watching you watch

2311
02:33:34.680 --> 02:33:37.879
<v Speaker 2>Game of Thrones for the first time, like it like

2312
02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:40.879
<v Speaker 2>seeing you like go through what I went through, especially

2313
02:33:40.920 --> 02:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>like things like the Red Wedding and just the betrayal

2314
02:33:44.360 --> 02:33:47.680
<v Speaker 2>of it all. And yeah, that was that was cool, right.

2315
02:33:48.159 --> 02:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>See what happened before television your God and some of

2316
02:33:54.360 --> 02:33:57.879
<v Speaker 1>this we could use again. So yeah. And then but

2317
02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:03.360
<v Speaker 1>House of the Dragon, you know, it's had some moments

2318
02:34:03.479 --> 02:34:05.159
<v Speaker 1>truly that I have.

2319
02:34:05.319 --> 02:34:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Enjoyed, and I love that you're watching it and I'm not.

2320
02:34:08.920 --> 02:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a particular dinner that was just wonderful.

2321
02:34:13.639 --> 02:34:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh my, you'll know when you get to it. Okay, yeah,

2322
02:34:17.799 --> 02:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>she served more than dinner.

2323
02:34:19.840 --> 02:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh oh, look at you.

2324
02:34:22.079 --> 02:34:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh So anyway, the Vampireless Stat we're watching in real time.

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02:34:28.200 --> 02:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, lo, they are actually a couple episodes behind.

2326
02:34:31.479 --> 02:34:34.319
<v Speaker 1>I think the fifteen minute fade of course, came out

2327
02:34:34.319 --> 02:34:37.639
<v Speaker 1>of huh that program.

2328
02:34:37.799 --> 02:34:42.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I like the Vampireless Stat and I am looking

2329
02:34:42.840 --> 02:34:45.479
<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing. Well, I don't know what they're they

2330
02:34:45.479 --> 02:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>did the last couple of episodes, because well there's one

2331
02:34:48.079 --> 02:34:50.079
<v Speaker 2>tonight and then one last night. We missed last week

2332
02:34:50.200 --> 02:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>rather and I like where it's going, and it's been,

2333
02:34:54.280 --> 02:34:57.399
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, very faithful to the original source material.

2334
02:34:58.680 --> 02:35:02.760
<v Speaker 2>The changes that they made have made sense. And knowing

2335
02:35:02.799 --> 02:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>what I know because I've read all of the Vampire

2336
02:35:06.799 --> 02:35:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Chronicles except for the newest, newest book, which was the

2337
02:35:11.319 --> 02:35:14.600
<v Speaker 2>one that Anne wrote right before she died, The Princeless Stat,

2338
02:35:15.360 --> 02:35:16.399
<v Speaker 2>I still haven't gotten.

2339
02:35:16.159 --> 02:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>To that, still living in my library.

2340
02:35:17.639 --> 02:35:19.959
<v Speaker 2>But I've read everything else up through I'm knock the

2341
02:35:20.000 --> 02:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Devil and some of the side quests like the vampire

2342
02:35:22.959 --> 02:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>armand and all that, and the drama, and.

2343
02:35:27.120 --> 02:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>They're paying attention to the drama.

2344
02:35:28.840 --> 02:35:31.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm excited to see how far this show's going

2345
02:35:31.840 --> 02:35:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to fucking go, because they go pretty far. Okay, okay,

2346
02:35:35.799 --> 02:35:37.399
<v Speaker 2>are you also enjoying the Vampire less?

2347
02:35:37.680 --> 02:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not as much as you are, but I am, yeah, fair, fair,

2348
02:35:42.280 --> 02:35:45.200
<v Speaker 1>And again I didn't I never read Anne Rice to

2349
02:35:45.239 --> 02:35:45.639
<v Speaker 1>begin with.

2350
02:35:48.159 --> 02:35:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she she loved the drama clearly, Yes, so does

2351
02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:56.879
<v Speaker 2>her son truth, Hey what it was?

2352
02:35:57.000 --> 02:36:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Bee? Now, this one is a surprise all the way

2353
02:36:01.639 --> 02:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>around that we're even talking about it, right, and that

2354
02:36:06.239 --> 02:36:07.719
<v Speaker 1>I watched any of it?

2355
02:36:08.799 --> 02:36:10.879
<v Speaker 2>I know, because you do not like horror. I do

2356
02:36:10.920 --> 02:36:13.360
<v Speaker 2>not like horror, and yet you were all about this

2357
02:36:13.399 --> 02:36:14.079
<v Speaker 2>goddamn show.

2358
02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, Kathy got excited about Widow's Bay and even more strange,

2359
02:36:21.559 --> 02:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and it's like it was almost like for a couple

2360
02:36:23.680 --> 02:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of weeks she couldn't anything she texted me included and

2361
02:36:26.719 --> 02:36:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Widow's Bay, Oh my god. And I'm like, oh right,

2362
02:36:31.840 --> 02:36:32.879
<v Speaker 1>how good can it be?

2363
02:36:33.319 --> 02:36:33.479
<v Speaker 10>Right?

2364
02:36:33.600 --> 02:36:35.680
<v Speaker 2>And we're watching it and I'm peeping the flavor and

2365
02:36:35.719 --> 02:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wait, Kathy likes this.

2366
02:36:37.479 --> 02:36:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it really is not my genre.

2367
02:36:44.040 --> 02:36:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Was some of it I could.

2368
02:36:45.360 --> 02:36:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Have done with al but overall, yeah, the twists and

2369
02:36:49.280 --> 02:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>turns it took by the end of the season, right,

2370
02:36:53.840 --> 02:36:55.280
<v Speaker 1>well done, well crafted.

2371
02:36:55.360 --> 02:36:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's something that I would have watched anyway.

2372
02:36:57.399 --> 02:37:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you get invested in the character development.

2373
02:37:02.600 --> 02:37:05.719
<v Speaker 1>It's worth watching. Yeah, and that's from someone who does

2374
02:37:05.920 --> 02:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>And again, you know, I say her is not. It's

2375
02:37:09.639 --> 02:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>not my favorite genre. It never will be. That said.

2376
02:37:13.159 --> 02:37:16.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean American horror story up until Hotel, which I've

2377
02:37:17.440 --> 02:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>I stopped because things were coming out of the wall.

2378
02:37:20.479 --> 02:37:24.360
<v Speaker 1>But I really enjoyed, you know, Covin and what was it,

2379
02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Carnival and yeah, all done.

2380
02:37:27.239 --> 02:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't crazy about Carnival, but you liked it.

2381
02:37:29.840 --> 02:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I did.

2382
02:37:30.719 --> 02:37:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Covin is still my favorite, and the new season is

2383
02:37:32.799 --> 02:37:34.879
<v Speaker 2>we're visiting that story line.

2384
02:37:34.959 --> 02:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, good storytelling is good storytelling. It was, you know,

2385
02:37:39.879 --> 02:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I did enjoy that. So that was a step into

2386
02:37:43.159 --> 02:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>a genre that not my favorite, but well crafted. And

2387
02:37:47.120 --> 02:37:50.559
<v Speaker 1>I would say the same thing about Widows Bay. It

2388
02:37:50.639 --> 02:37:53.159
<v Speaker 1>is well crafted. Yeah.

2389
02:37:54.159 --> 02:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Apple TV series and Apple TV series tend to be

2390
02:37:58.040 --> 02:37:59.559
<v Speaker 2>of pretty high quality.

2391
02:38:00.079 --> 02:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I also love that Kay Callen is still acting at

2392
02:38:02.280 --> 02:38:06.879
<v Speaker 1>ninety years old in it, right, you know that was cool.

2393
02:38:07.000 --> 02:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Pivotal character. I want to smack the shoot out of

2394
02:38:09.559 --> 02:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the main character. So yeah, he's doing it well, right, Yeah,

2395
02:38:14.520 --> 02:38:17.479
<v Speaker 1>really good cast. And that's that's usually a sign of

2396
02:38:18.959 --> 02:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe I want to watch it. With the entire exception

2397
02:38:22.719 --> 02:38:25.559
<v Speaker 1>of Cloverfield.

2398
02:38:24.959 --> 02:38:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Lane, Oh, you were never going to forgive me. I'm

2399
02:38:27.319 --> 02:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>not making you watch ten Cloverfield making you watch.

2400
02:38:30.239 --> 02:38:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Nope, you did? You really did? You were like this one.

2401
02:38:32.799 --> 02:38:33.719
<v Speaker 1>You'll know.

2402
02:38:34.000 --> 02:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought you would.

2403
02:38:35.200 --> 02:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>No, it still did the thing I hate, so no, sorry,

2404
02:38:38.559 --> 02:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but but and and as I said, there are things

2405
02:38:42.719 --> 02:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we could have done without in Widow's Bay

2406
02:38:46.079 --> 02:38:50.040
<v Speaker 1>and still told the story overall. I made it all

2407
02:38:50.040 --> 02:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the way to the end. And I don't want to

2408
02:38:52.000 --> 02:38:55.600
<v Speaker 1>see what happens next season, so I mean, hey, right, yeah,

2409
02:38:55.680 --> 02:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>oh that's why there is nonna be other season.

2410
02:38:57.120 --> 02:38:59.799
<v Speaker 2>There is better right, Yeah, they did kind of leave

2411
02:38:59.799 --> 02:39:00.879
<v Speaker 2>it on Cliffanger in there.

2412
02:39:01.079 --> 02:39:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

2413
02:39:02.920 --> 02:39:04.399
<v Speaker 1>So what else I got?

2414
02:39:05.399 --> 02:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Obligatory Drag Race All Stars Commandary Coming?

2415
02:39:10.440 --> 02:39:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Is that is that still on? Yes?

2416
02:39:15.120 --> 02:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I well, I will say the most recent regular season

2417
02:39:19.520 --> 02:39:23.559
<v Speaker 2>season eighteen. I don't care, I probably won't watch it,

2418
02:39:24.079 --> 02:39:29.399
<v Speaker 2>but this was we just finished All Stars eleven. At

2419
02:39:29.399 --> 02:39:34.040
<v Speaker 2>this point, we mean, yes, at this point, everyone should

2420
02:39:34.120 --> 02:39:37.520
<v Speaker 2>know Crystal Method has been crowned the new winner of

2421
02:39:37.760 --> 02:39:42.399
<v Speaker 2>All Stars eleven, as we all knew, and the fandom

2422
02:39:42.520 --> 02:39:47.040
<v Speaker 2>is doing what the fandom does, be ridiculous, Like their

2423
02:39:47.040 --> 02:39:50.159
<v Speaker 2>whole thing is like, ugh, the production is pushing her

2424
02:39:50.200 --> 02:39:53.840
<v Speaker 2>to win. Oh, it's all rigged, and you know, they

2425
02:39:53.840 --> 02:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>are making a television show, first of all, and they

2426
02:39:55.879 --> 02:39:57.959
<v Speaker 2>have been for a very long time. It's funny, y'all.

2427
02:39:58.079 --> 02:39:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Just no catching me.

2428
02:39:59.200 --> 02:40:00.920
<v Speaker 2>And also when they try to say that, you know

2429
02:40:01.239 --> 02:40:04.239
<v Speaker 2>it's rigged for X y Z to win, they still

2430
02:40:04.360 --> 02:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>have to do well, So yeah, what are we even

2431
02:40:09.360 --> 02:40:15.079
<v Speaker 2>saying anyway, So there's that. I wanted to comment briefly

2432
02:40:15.520 --> 02:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>on the beef between Soaking Up Meganash and a curious

2433
02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Chanel Davenport. While they were on the show, they talked

2434
02:40:23.280 --> 02:40:25.319
<v Speaker 2>about having some beef and not fucking with each other

2435
02:40:25.360 --> 02:40:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and d D da da, Everyone's like, what's going on,

2436
02:40:27.040 --> 02:40:29.879
<v Speaker 2>what's going on? And then off the show there was

2437
02:40:29.920 --> 02:40:32.200
<v Speaker 2>this whole like thing with the two of them telling

2438
02:40:32.200 --> 02:40:35.360
<v Speaker 2>their separate stories and like something something they lived together,

2439
02:40:35.520 --> 02:40:38.479
<v Speaker 2>something something, then they weren't something something. This one has

2440
02:40:38.520 --> 02:40:40.399
<v Speaker 2>my things but won't give them back, and I'm taking

2441
02:40:40.440 --> 02:40:42.639
<v Speaker 2>her to court and da da da da da. And

2442
02:40:42.680 --> 02:40:46.079
<v Speaker 2>then Akiria did this very very long live where she

2443
02:40:46.200 --> 02:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>explained all her side of the story and it involved

2444
02:40:49.440 --> 02:40:51.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of shuffling of papers and I sat there

2445
02:40:51.680 --> 02:40:53.879
<v Speaker 2>and watched most of it, and I feel like I

2446
02:40:53.879 --> 02:40:57.319
<v Speaker 2>don't know any more than I did before. So yeah,

2447
02:40:57.600 --> 02:41:02.159
<v Speaker 2>there's that I was invested in that way longer than

2448
02:41:02.200 --> 02:41:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I should have been, and I don't feel like I

2449
02:41:03.840 --> 02:41:06.360
<v Speaker 2>got any more information than I had.

2450
02:41:06.719 --> 02:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, hmm, okay, still don't care. He no, you know,

2451
02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I still don't care, although I was kind of interested that,

2452
02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:19.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, Willem feels some kind of way because Bob's

2453
02:41:19.639 --> 02:41:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the drag queen doesn't want to fuck him that right,

2454
02:41:27.000 --> 02:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and maybe Bob just likes a little mystery. I don't know,

2455
02:41:31.399 --> 02:41:31.639
<v Speaker 1>you know.

2456
02:41:33.079 --> 02:41:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This also, William was on Bob's podcast, The Only

2457
02:41:37.559 --> 02:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Child I think it's called, and apparently they matched on

2458
02:41:43.559 --> 02:41:48.159
<v Speaker 2>Grinder because Willem had a pick with no face and

2459
02:41:48.200 --> 02:41:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Bob was like ooh. And then come to final with

2460
02:41:50.200 --> 02:41:54.200
<v Speaker 2>William was like oh and then William was like, well,

2461
02:41:54.200 --> 02:41:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm right here, we can do this, and I was like,

2462
02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>that's so fun. And part of me thinks that Bob

2463
02:42:04.520 --> 02:42:06.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to do it because you know, as the

2464
02:42:07.799 --> 02:42:10.840
<v Speaker 2>saying go, sister, dick will make you sick? Is that

2465
02:42:10.879 --> 02:42:12.879
<v Speaker 2>a saying that amongst the girls? It is?

2466
02:42:15.600 --> 02:42:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Huh? Okay, I did not know that that was the thing.

2467
02:42:18.920 --> 02:42:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but not always uh employed by all.

2468
02:42:23.000 --> 02:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>The girls and Bob included, right, so okay, whatever.

2469
02:42:29.040 --> 02:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>But thank you, uh huh. But Willem was trying like

2470
02:42:33.959 --> 02:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>we could be a power couple, like a real power couple.

2471
02:42:35.879 --> 02:42:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Think about it for a second. It's like a mean

2472
02:42:38.239 --> 02:42:41.760
<v Speaker 2>dick watched this and then proceeded to filate the microphone

2473
02:42:42.239 --> 02:42:44.319
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even leave lipstick, So check it out,

2474
02:42:44.479 --> 02:42:46.079
<v Speaker 2>professional bitch.

2475
02:42:47.120 --> 02:42:52.239
<v Speaker 1>And that may be the problem. You know, I want

2476
02:42:52.280 --> 02:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a boutique experience, not a busy airport.

2477
02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Who knows couldture not streetwear?

2478
02:43:02.040 --> 02:43:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

2479
02:43:02.760 --> 02:43:06.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, as it were right, I love.

2480
02:43:08.440 --> 02:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Nordstrom's not well never mind, No, Willem is funny and fabe,

2481
02:43:13.520 --> 02:43:15.520
<v Speaker 1>but that was just funny. That was funny. When you

2482
02:43:15.559 --> 02:43:17.280
<v Speaker 1>told me about that, I was like, okay.

2483
02:43:17.000 --> 02:43:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Wells and still in her feelings.

2484
02:43:19.440 --> 02:43:25.600
<v Speaker 1>That's funny. The final note here says, I think we

2485
02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:27.120
<v Speaker 1>should see the Odyssey.

2486
02:43:27.280 --> 02:43:30.559
<v Speaker 2>I do. I think we should see the new film.

2487
02:43:30.760 --> 02:43:32.799
<v Speaker 1>That was something you wanted to talk about, not just

2488
02:43:33.239 --> 02:43:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I think we should. Yeah, Okay, we should. Okay, what

2489
02:43:35.879 --> 02:43:36.639
<v Speaker 1>is it?

2490
02:43:36.639 --> 02:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>It is Christopher Nolan's take on the epic Homer's Odyssey,

2491
02:43:43.200 --> 02:43:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the Mythological Like I know what. Oh, you're looking at me,

2492
02:43:47.639 --> 02:43:48.920
<v Speaker 2>like the fuck are you talking about?

2493
02:43:49.000 --> 02:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Because didn't you mention Elliott Page?

2494
02:43:51.079 --> 02:43:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Elliott Page is in it?

2495
02:43:52.479 --> 02:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay? And for some reason when you said this, I

2496
02:43:56.079 --> 02:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>was thinking Elliott Page's film about the gay animals, which

2497
02:43:59.079 --> 02:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I do want to see actually right now, you know,

2498
02:44:01.879 --> 02:44:06.200
<v Speaker 1>well the sexual spectrum or whatever within the animal, you know,

2499
02:44:06.600 --> 02:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>right right right now, Elliott Page is in the Odyssey, and.

2500
02:44:12.799 --> 02:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I think playing Achilles. I'm not sure I've heard not

2501
02:44:15.719 --> 02:44:17.120
<v Speaker 2>playing Achilles, playing Achilles.

2502
02:44:17.120 --> 02:44:17.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

2503
02:44:17.479 --> 02:44:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it, but I want to just because

2504
02:44:19.440 --> 02:44:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Elliott Page, okay, and also because Lupita Nyongo is playing

2505
02:44:24.319 --> 02:44:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Helen of Troy.

2506
02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:27.959
<v Speaker 1>Interesting and the.

2507
02:44:28.000 --> 02:44:30.680
<v Speaker 2>Racists be cracking was the same way people are mad, yes,

2508
02:44:30.799 --> 02:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to say that Helen of Troy is supposed to

2509
02:44:34.760 --> 02:44:36.639
<v Speaker 2>be the most beautiful in the world. You're trying to

2510
02:44:36.680 --> 02:44:40.360
<v Speaker 2>tell me, Lapita and Youngo's the most beautiful, yes, bitch, yes, yes.

2511
02:44:40.239 --> 02:44:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I am yes. Yeah, she's shooting right up there.

2512
02:44:45.280 --> 02:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I remember when she was doing the red carpets,

2513
02:44:48.399 --> 02:44:51.680
<v Speaker 2>back way back when she was introduced to us with

2514
02:44:51.840 --> 02:44:56.959
<v Speaker 2>twelve years of slave and every red carpet she wore

2515
02:44:57.040 --> 02:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a different color of the rainbow spectrum, and all that

2516
02:45:01.959 --> 02:45:04.920
<v Speaker 2>showed to me was she was like the perfect canvas

2517
02:45:04.959 --> 02:45:08.040
<v Speaker 2>for fabulousness, because there was not a single moment where

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02:45:08.079 --> 02:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>she did not look impeccable. Impeccable, and she's sweet and

2519
02:45:13.200 --> 02:45:17.079
<v Speaker 2>she's smart, and it's like what, Yes.

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02:45:16.879 --> 02:45:19.319
<v Speaker 1>The people making these comments.

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02:45:18.879 --> 02:45:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and they always pick think and they think it's

2522
02:45:23.879 --> 02:45:28.479
<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful white bitch yep. They always pick the

2523
02:45:28.520 --> 02:45:32.479
<v Speaker 2>same AI generated photo of her. It's I think, or

2524
02:45:32.520 --> 02:45:34.559
<v Speaker 2>it might be a screen stole. I'm not sure, but

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02:45:34.639 --> 02:45:36.559
<v Speaker 2>like she's like in the middle of yelling or crying

2526
02:45:36.639 --> 02:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>or screaming or something, and they're trying to say, oh,

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02:45:39.079 --> 02:45:41.319
<v Speaker 2>you think this is the face that launch a thousand ships?

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02:45:41.360 --> 02:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>Fuck you, And I bet you in contact she is

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02:45:45.200 --> 02:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>acting her fucking ass off.

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02:45:47.239 --> 02:45:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Probably so probably, and to have such a little mind,

2531
02:45:53.879 --> 02:45:55.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, good God.

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02:45:55.760 --> 02:45:58.959
<v Speaker 2>And then it always like, well, it's not historically accurate.

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02:45:59.200 --> 02:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>So wait what, how do you know the.

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02:46:02.520 --> 02:46:13.239
<v Speaker 6>Mythological character, not person, character who wasn't even human in

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02:46:13.319 --> 02:46:14.440
<v Speaker 6>the first place.

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02:46:15.559 --> 02:46:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she was like the daughter of a god or

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02:46:18.319 --> 02:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>some ship.

2538
02:46:19.440 --> 02:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was a historical wow, the person. No,

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02:46:24.600 --> 02:46:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't know this.

2540
02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:31.000
<v Speaker 2>The whole thing is is mythology, the whole then fuck.

2541
02:46:30.760 --> 02:46:34.520
<v Speaker 1>All, y'all exactly come on now, yeah, well I remember

2542
02:46:34.559 --> 02:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>them talking historical actor about Ariel exact, thank you, that

2543
02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>part the fish, that part, the right part.

2544
02:46:43.079 --> 02:46:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Wait what yeah, so you know what, just just be racist,

2545
02:46:48.639 --> 02:46:50.319
<v Speaker 2>transphobic about Elliott.

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02:46:50.360 --> 02:46:53.040
<v Speaker 1>And actually you don't even have to because your government

2547
02:46:53.440 --> 02:46:54.559
<v Speaker 1>is saying it for.

2548
02:46:54.440 --> 02:46:58.479
<v Speaker 2>You, right, like they're trying to act like Elliott Page

2549
02:46:59.040 --> 02:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>uh is like a little weakling or some shit. Have

2550
02:47:02.840 --> 02:47:09.479
<v Speaker 2>you seen that boy after he got jacked for this movie? Shit,

2551
02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I bet you can kick the ass of everybody talking shit.

2552
02:47:16.280 --> 02:47:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Probably, but that was probably true anyway, right, yeah, many

2553
02:47:22.600 --> 02:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>years ago.

2554
02:47:24.319 --> 02:47:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh lord, but yeah, that's it. I think we should

2555
02:47:28.639 --> 02:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm weary, take one of our rare jaunts to the

2556
02:47:31.639 --> 02:47:33.639
<v Speaker 2>movie theater and go see the honysty.

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02:47:33.360 --> 02:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we'll keep that on the agenda.

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02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh, and I wanted to talk about not on

2559
02:47:38.719 --> 02:47:40.479
<v Speaker 2>the list, but I want to talk about They Will

2560
02:47:40.600 --> 02:47:42.959
<v Speaker 2>Kill You. I still think you might.

2561
02:47:43.079 --> 02:47:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we did talk about that, did we?

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02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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02:47:45.399 --> 02:47:48.159
<v Speaker 1>I just don't. Yeah, don't get in a boat with them.

2564
02:47:48.479 --> 02:47:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh this is something else.

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02:47:50.559 --> 02:47:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna fight you on this podcast. No. The

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02:47:55.600 --> 02:48:00.639
<v Speaker 2>movie They Will Kill You, Zazie Beats is like the

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02:48:00.719 --> 02:48:05.319
<v Speaker 2>baddest bitch every I It was twenty one minutes into

2568
02:48:05.319 --> 02:48:07.079
<v Speaker 2>that twenty one minutes in eighteen seconds.

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02:48:07.079 --> 02:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I do believe into that movie.

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02:48:08.280 --> 02:48:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I checked the timestamp and I was like, this might

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02:48:10.079 --> 02:48:12.399
<v Speaker 2>be my favorite film of twenty twenty six.

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02:48:13.120 --> 02:48:15.760
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. And this is streaming.

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02:48:15.920 --> 02:48:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes it's on HBO. Okay, I fucking love this movie

2574
02:48:19.959 --> 02:48:22.319
<v Speaker 2>and can't wait to watch it again with you, because

2575
02:48:22.360 --> 02:48:25.879
<v Speaker 2>we just watched Kill Bill the whole bloody affair. Yes,

2576
02:48:26.079 --> 02:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>where they it was like the version that Quenton originally wanted,

2577
02:48:29.239 --> 02:48:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the four hour movie.

2578
02:48:30.239 --> 02:48:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was, and I think.

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02:48:37.280 --> 02:48:42.079
<v Speaker 11>True so much, knowing what we know now going back

2580
02:48:42.120 --> 02:48:47.440
<v Speaker 11>and watching his older films, You're like, Ew, this is.

2581
02:48:47.479 --> 02:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Quentin Tarantina or Doctor Schulz.

2582
02:48:50.120 --> 02:48:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Uh, huh. I'm surprised he's not a sponsor. I never

2583
02:48:56.399 --> 02:48:58.399
<v Speaker 2>but but yeah, I want you to watch They Will

2584
02:48:58.479 --> 02:49:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Kill You because I want it. I want your your take.

2585
02:49:01.239 --> 02:49:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, it's good genre.

2586
02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:11.360
<v Speaker 2>I would say it is a dark action comedy. Okay.

2587
02:49:11.520 --> 02:49:13.879
<v Speaker 2>There are elements of it that people try to say

2588
02:49:13.920 --> 02:49:16.920
<v Speaker 2>it's horror, but I the very.

2589
02:49:16.920 --> 02:49:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Very time you told me something one in horror.

2590
02:49:19.159 --> 02:49:25.559
<v Speaker 2>The very very end. There's an encounter where she fights Satan, okay,

2591
02:49:25.760 --> 02:49:28.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's weird and a little creepy.

2592
02:49:29.239 --> 02:49:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I don't know. This is the concept of Satan.

2593
02:49:33.079 --> 02:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Right, so, but I don't know if I would say

2594
02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:39.239
<v Speaker 2>it counts as horror. Oh, spoiler alert, there's a part

2595
02:49:39.239 --> 02:49:41.280
<v Speaker 2>of the end where she Satan.

2596
02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, streaming on HBO.

2597
02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:48.879
<v Speaker 2>It's very very very very bloody. But then again, so

2598
02:49:48.920 --> 02:49:49.559
<v Speaker 2>it is kill bill.

2599
02:49:50.799 --> 02:49:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's not the thing that.

2600
02:49:54.000 --> 02:49:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, yeah, amazingly enough, gore doesn't bother you, No,

2601
02:49:59.000 --> 02:50:02.120
<v Speaker 2>not really. It's it's it bothers me more than it

2602
02:50:02.120 --> 02:50:03.399
<v Speaker 2>bothers you, and that cracks me up.

2603
02:50:03.520 --> 02:50:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a whole thing. It's a whole

2604
02:50:06.120 --> 02:50:11.079
<v Speaker 1>it's a whole you know, childhood bullshit. I get it

2605
02:50:11.360 --> 02:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>terrorized and tormented enough kind of thing that just I'm like,

2606
02:50:15.959 --> 02:50:18.840
<v Speaker 1>this is not entertaining. I don't want this. I don't

2607
02:50:18.840 --> 02:50:23.719
<v Speaker 1>want a roller coaster like that. Adrenaline isn't fun for me,

2608
02:50:23.920 --> 02:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>not really fair. I'd be under certain context, but you know,

2609
02:50:28.479 --> 02:50:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I get it under certain circumstances. Fine, but yeah, so yeah, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my recommendations for the week.

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02:50:37.719 --> 02:50:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we may make some time to do that. Yes,

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02:50:43.040 --> 02:50:49.319
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk to gregor King tomorrow. We are floating from

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02:50:49.520 --> 02:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>a magical, magical evening with our beloved Elizabeth Coffee Williams.

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02:51:00.079 --> 02:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Anything else on your spirit? I think we've covered most

2615
02:51:02.479 --> 02:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>of it.

2616
02:51:02.959 --> 02:51:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I guess we should do a little podcast business.

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02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Let's do that.

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02:51:07.840 --> 02:51:10.239
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<v Speaker 2>the Podcast Podcast business over.

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02:52:31.319 --> 02:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>Alrighty, alrighty, yeah, So you're gonna get this out. It's

2642
02:52:35.360 --> 02:52:39.799
<v Speaker 1>already half edited. Right, this has been something.

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02:52:42.319 --> 02:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>This week has been the longest day ever.

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02:52:44.360 --> 02:52:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Right, I can't wait to re listen to it. Right,

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02:52:48.040 --> 02:52:53.319
<v Speaker 1>that should be fun And we continue with the conversation

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02:52:53.639 --> 02:52:57.559
<v Speaker 1>and so much love to the entire cast. Of cats. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the Agelical Ball. If you have any chance at all, please

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02:53:02.239 --> 02:53:04.319
<v Speaker 1>go say it. You will not be disappointed.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was kind.

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02:53:08.879 --> 02:53:09.319
<v Speaker 3>It was.

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02:53:09.520 --> 02:53:10.040
<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Until next time. You've been listening to Full Circle the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I am Martha Madrigal.

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02:53:21.040 --> 02:53:22.559
<v Speaker 2>And I am Charles Tyson Jr.

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02:53:22.799 --> 02:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening. Until next time, Bye everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Full Circle is a Never Skurred Productions podcast hosted by

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madrigal, Produced and edited by

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<v Speaker 2>Never Scurred Executive Produced by Charles Tyson Junior and Martha Madridal.

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