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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Buckeye Wesly Podcast. I'm Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Gerdaman here as always with more time.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going, Tony is going well?

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<v Speaker 3>The vibes on this show are not going to be

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<v Speaker 3>quite as good as the vibes on many recent shows,

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<v Speaker 3>because we got to kind of talk about the okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if things don't go great.

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<v Speaker 2>For Ohio state this year, where if it might things

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<v Speaker 2>fall a little bit short.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, who is to blame?

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<v Speaker 1>What position? If you just line up all the position

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<v Speaker 1>rooms like right in a row here and be like

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<v Speaker 1>you're giving it the Uncle Jesse like point at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>particular rooms, which could those be in terms of just

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<v Speaker 1>falling short of being the unpleasant surprise if you will?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know I've been getting I've been letting you

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<v Speaker 1>go first and all of these shows that we've been doing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna just continue because I continue to win. Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the first one on your mind to me?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first one is wide receiver to me,

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<v Speaker 3>because you've got Jeremi Smith.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what Jeremiah Smith is.

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<v Speaker 3>The problem you've got is the standard is so high

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<v Speaker 3>for what an Ohio state wide receiver room is and

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<v Speaker 3>You've got Jeremi Smith and then everyone else. I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of look at and go, well, I have some questions,

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<v Speaker 3>Not that they're doomed, not that this can't work, just

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<v Speaker 3>I have questions. What is Devin McEwan going to be

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<v Speaker 3>this year? What is Kyle Parker going to be this year?

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<v Speaker 3>Ken Brandon and has take a step forward this year?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you going to get out of the true freshman?

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<v Speaker 3>These are the answer to all of these. Could be

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<v Speaker 3>you're getting a lot, You're going to be incredibly impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>This is going to be just as good a wide

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<v Speaker 3>receiver room as it has been over the previous several years.

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<v Speaker 3>Entirely possible, but this is just you don't have a

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<v Speaker 3>Carneal Tait on the other side of the field right

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<v Speaker 3>now from Jeremiah Smith. Maybe someone will turn into that.

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<v Speaker 3>Entirely possible, but right now you don't have that. And

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<v Speaker 3>with as much as Ohio State has leaned on its

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<v Speaker 3>wide receivers over the last few years, it feels like

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<v Speaker 3>this is an area where if the offense isn't what

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<v Speaker 3>it could be. Yeah, man, no one else stepped up

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<v Speaker 3>in the wide receiver room. Seems like one real plausible

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<v Speaker 3>way that could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the reason why I let you go first

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<v Speaker 1>is because I figured this would or are going anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>and it made me seem like a better person for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you, Tom great point when we look

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<v Speaker 1>at what oh I say has had in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>Devin McEwan, Kyle Parker, Brendon Innis, Chris Hemmy junior proc

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<v Speaker 1>Boy chaquinin Gilford. Like you throw all of the names out,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's going to be Carnel Tate. And last year they

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<v Speaker 1>had Jeremiah Smith and Carnel Tate as the top two guys.

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<v Speaker 1>The year before, Carnel Tate was the number three guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly there's no number three here that is going

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<v Speaker 1>to match necessarily what Carnal Tate did in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four fifty two catches, seven hundred and thirty three yards,

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<v Speaker 1>four touchdowns, but more than that, like he was very,

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<v Speaker 1>very good. It's just there was no room for three

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<v Speaker 1>thousand yard receivers. And then you know twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Marvin Rrison junior, ameca Abuca Carnel Tate as a true freshman.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the levels that they have had, there's always been

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<v Speaker 1>this second I say, always last six seven years, there's

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<v Speaker 1>always been this second first rounder, top guy that was

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<v Speaker 1>there and they don't have that this year, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they do, then that is the biggest surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the real surprise here. But just I agree

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<v Speaker 1>the step down is why this is an issue, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just a step down from the talent they've lost.

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<v Speaker 1>This cortes Haankton having to prove himself and show that

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<v Speaker 1>he can build, not just build a room, but like

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<v Speaker 1>put a room out there that produces. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>expect him to go deeper, which is good in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the depth of how many guys are playing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he'll throw the ball deeper, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of up to Devin McEwan and those guys. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can see some issues here. You can see some

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<v Speaker 1>concerns and Devn McEwan being the most proven, but also

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<v Speaker 1>that's at Utsa and Kyle Parker and Brandan and As

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<v Speaker 1>being veterans. But I've had trouble getting over ten yards

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<v Speaker 1>of catch, which is a concern. So yes, I'm with

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<v Speaker 1>you on this one, Tom, very much so, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think everybody else is as well. I'll go to the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the ball and even though we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>this position up and I'm going to say cornerback, where

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<v Speaker 1>I expect Devin Sanchez to be every bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>all big ten guy, Tremaine Matthews could be as well

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<v Speaker 1>as an experienced has started games all every year of

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<v Speaker 1>his career. We're very high on Dominic Kelly, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>a true sophomore who has never started and has never

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<v Speaker 1>played substantial minutes. And the only substantial minutes that Devin

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<v Speaker 1>Sanchez has played it came last year as a true freshman,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't really say he's an established guy. Jermaine

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<v Speaker 1>Matthews had some moments last year that he would love

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<v Speaker 1>to have back. And so when we start talking about

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, all of these potential guys and this

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<v Speaker 1>three three man rotation, yeah, but isn't good enough to

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<v Speaker 1>win it all? And Jermaine Matthews is very much a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the twenty twenty four national title team. And

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<v Speaker 1>you look at those starting corners of Denzel Burke and

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<v Speaker 1>Davids Ninggunosen. I think Burke was a fourth or fifth

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<v Speaker 1>round picking. Minosen was a second round pick. So you

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<v Speaker 1>don't need you don't need Marshall and Lattimore and Denzel

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<v Speaker 1>Ward basically as your corners to win it all. But

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<v Speaker 1>still there's there are questions here, and then if your

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<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter is either a true freshman like Jordan Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>or Jay Timmons or Cameron Calhoun who is now a

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<v Speaker 1>senior and has only really played one season of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been plenty of times where a fourth corner has

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<v Speaker 1>to play, and then every year a third corner has

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<v Speaker 1>to play. And so while I think they're gonna be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how deep they are, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's enough reason for concern with just the top

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<v Speaker 1>three guys, let alone going beyond that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think this is a perfectly legitimate one. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is a lot like with the wide receivers.

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<v Speaker 3>If they had kept Quincy Porter and Mile and Graham,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd probably feel a little bit more confident in the

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<v Speaker 3>other pieces that they have in that room. If they

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<v Speaker 3>had kept Aaron Scott and Bryce West in the corner room,

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<v Speaker 3>you'd probably feel a little bit better about where things

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<v Speaker 3>stand there. I don't think that Aaron West or Bryce

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<v Speaker 3>Scott is going to nope, reverse that Aaron Scott and Bryce.

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<v Speaker 2>West I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not expecting those guys to be like first team

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<v Speaker 3>All America and this year or anything like that. But

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<v Speaker 3>the floor is probably a little bit higher where you've

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<v Speaker 3>got guys who've been in that room, played for Tim

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<v Speaker 3>Walton for a couple seasons, and you know, these were

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<v Speaker 3>not guys who were world beaters at Ohio State, but

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<v Speaker 3>they were guys who if you had to throw them

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<v Speaker 3>in there, you were probably gonna be Okay, you lost

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<v Speaker 3>those guys now, so now you're trying to sort of

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<v Speaker 3>fill those holders, trying to backfill those whole I think

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<v Speaker 3>they did a pretty good job in the portal bringing

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<v Speaker 3>in cam Calhoun and dominant Kelly to sort of backfilled

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<v Speaker 3>those holes.

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<v Speaker 2>But you haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>You haven't seen it on the field in the fall,

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<v Speaker 3>and until you do, I think that is a legitimate question.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that kind of flows into my question

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<v Speaker 3>on the defensive side of the ball, which would be

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<v Speaker 3>the linebackers, where it's kind of a lot of the

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<v Speaker 3>same stuff where in this case we're talking about you

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<v Speaker 3>know a lot like Carnel Tait, boy, do you have

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<v Speaker 3>someone who's going to be a top five pick there? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you have two guys who are going to be top

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<v Speaker 3>ten picks there because that was.

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<v Speaker 2>The standard last year.

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<v Speaker 3>And Sunday Styles and Rvel Reese are both gone, so

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<v Speaker 3>now what And they've got lots of potential solutions there.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Peyton Pierce, we have seen the third line

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<v Speaker 3>backer at Ohio State have a good season and then

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<v Speaker 3>just sort of do the take two steps forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you're the first. You know, now you're the

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<v Speaker 2>number one linebacker.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen that enough, and we saw enough out of

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<v Speaker 3>Peyton Pierce last year that I don't think I've got

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<v Speaker 3>any real concerns there. And I think you've got potential

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<v Speaker 3>solutions with Christian Legro And I think you've got potential

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<v Speaker 3>solutions with Jay Alford and Riley Patty John and and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we've done other shows on the linebackers this

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<v Speaker 3>week where we're talking about like, yeah, man, you got

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of potential answers there.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little like the line the wide receivers, where the standard

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<v Speaker 3>for that room was so high last year that it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be hard to match that. And even if

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<v Speaker 3>the guys who they have all get to like a

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<v Speaker 3>seventy fifth percentile outcome, which is like that's above and

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<v Speaker 3>that's an above average outcome, You're still not getting exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what you had last year. So I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a spot where if people remember what

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<v Speaker 3>a typical Ohio State linebacker room looks like, I think

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<v Speaker 3>this Union unit has a very good chance of living

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<v Speaker 3>up to that standard. If people are going, well, why

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<v Speaker 3>don't they just have two top ten picks at linebacker

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<v Speaker 3>every year? Like that's not that's not a realistic standard.

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<v Speaker 3>But if that's the standard you're holding this year's linebackers too,

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<v Speaker 3>then you might be a little disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you say the standard is two top ten picks,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be the hold on. That's like Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Day saying, are for four goals every year is beat Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>win the Big Ten, win a National title, win a

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl, Like it's not, it's not how things work.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a That was one time you won the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl and that was just because everybody bowed out

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<v Speaker 1>Like this, you can't expect to have sunny styles and

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<v Speaker 1>r Valve says your linebackers every year, and and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they do, but certainly you're right, like it

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<v Speaker 1>can be. It can be Cody Simon and Tommy Eikenberg

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<v Speaker 1>that or whatever. Like there's there are plenty of good

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker groups that don't have to be the greatest of

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<v Speaker 1>all time. So yeah, I think one of the concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about the entire defense is you could say this for

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<v Speaker 1>any position group. You can look at it and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like safety, for instance, you're bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Moore who didn't play last year. You're bringing in

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Little who played safety, and you're asking him to

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<v Speaker 1>play nickel and he did it at Florida State. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is new. It's a new defense, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>moving parts, and you're trying to fit or how do

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<v Speaker 1>you replace Caleb Downs and you're using all of these

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<v Speaker 1>look at it and be like, well, sure, an all

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<v Speaker 1>ACC safety should work and well too also basically two

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<v Speaker 1>second team all A CEC safety is being brought in

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<v Speaker 1>with experience and versatility should work out, but there's there

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<v Speaker 1>are enough questions there to what if it doesn't. And

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<v Speaker 1>seven months, you could see they've they've attempted to address

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, yeah, you don't have any sure things in any

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<v Speaker 3>we have Tony and I have I think been pretty

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<v Speaker 3>or a little Terry Moore. These guys are gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>to do. But similar to the conversation about the two linebackers,

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<v Speaker 3>similar to the conversation, but Carnell Tate, Caleb Downs doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>work here anymore, and that opens up some you know,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you replace Caleb Downs? You don't you have

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<v Speaker 3>other guys who are going to play a position similar

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<v Speaker 3>to what Caleb Downs did last year. You're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to just be able to do the same stuff you

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<v Speaker 3>front is that Matt Patricia knows this. This is not

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Patricia's first time having to replace a talented player,

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<v Speaker 3>and so he's going to have some workarounds. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be there's just gonna be some stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>to do exactly the same way this year. But in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of these cases, if these guys stay healthy,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm reasonably be confident that the safeties are going to

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<v Speaker 3>be good. But you lose a guy or hey, or

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<v Speaker 3>a little can't play nickel as well as they thought

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. I don't have that as a real concern

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of the spring, but maybe it just doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>pan out there, and then you get to figure somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>out someone else to play nickel. And you know, Terry

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<v Speaker 3>Moore missed all of last season than injury, he gets

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<v Speaker 3>hurt again, someone else gets hurt again, You got to

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<v Speaker 3>find another guy to fill that spot. So, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 3>is this isn't Yeah. I think there's a reason that

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<v Speaker 3>defensive side of the ball. But I also think between

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<v Speaker 3>replacing Caleb Downs and not having totally sure things in place,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is a legitimate question.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and I'll just throw in if Earl Little can't

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<v Speaker 1>play that nickel spot like they want in terms of coverage,

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<v Speaker 1>what they're going to do is probably move Jermaine Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>there yep, which then thins out the cornerback room, which

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<v Speaker 1>then so all of the there's just you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there are potential solutions everywhere, and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to bat a thousand on the potential solutions because

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a bunch of different stuff where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on the offensive line, we didn't We've did an offensive.

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<v Speaker 2>Line show earlier this week.

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<v Speaker 3>And you don't need both Ian Moore and Josh Padia

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<v Speaker 3>to be perfect ready to go. You just need one

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<v Speaker 3>then Austin Seervel to be ready to go at the

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<v Speaker 3>other open spot. They have a lot of potential solutions,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of really intriguing solutions. You got a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of talent on this roster, as they always seem to,

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<v Speaker 3>but you need the pieces to sort of fit together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And one last thing on the quarter situation or

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<v Speaker 1>the Nickel situation, I do wonder they have designs having

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<v Speaker 1>this safety based corner or Nickel in terms of a

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<v Speaker 1>if they were to move to a corner at Nickel

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<v Speaker 1>or would they want to say, no, let's not sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>the scheme. Let's just find the next best safety guy

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<v Speaker 1>that can be there, which is that Jalen McLean, which

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<v Speaker 1>and then le Roy Roker comes in again, moving parts

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<v Speaker 1>all the questions that coaches will have to figure out,

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<v Speaker 1>who are the best guys suited anything else?

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<v Speaker 3>Tom No, I think we've I think we've given people

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, now this is the fun time to year.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's undefeated everyone, you know, you ask fans of every

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<v Speaker 3>add them up and it's like, that's like a seven

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<v Speaker 2>But that's all right. This is the this is the

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<v Speaker 2>time for optimism.

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<v Speaker 3>So don't let Tony and his hating ways and his downbeat,

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<v Speaker 4>Lady, let me.

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<v Speaker 3>This time.

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<v Speaker 4>What else you wet it through away? The no one

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<v Speaker 4>tell me I wish you'd development nothing. M M. If

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<v Speaker 2>I can't leave nine