WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.240 Nine wetherboecasts. Not bad clout for you today. 2 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:05.240 Low humidity, high seventy six, clear skies over night fifty eight, 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:09.439 Tomorrow mostly sunny eighty two overnight clear in sixty and 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.560 a mostly sunny Thursday as well, high eighty eight fifty 5 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:14.560 eight degrees. Now, let's get a traffic update. 6 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:18.480 From the use of Traffic Center. From massage therapy to 7 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:21.559 stress for fan cancer surveyments. So you see Cancer Center 8 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.239 offers the region's largest supportive services program for cancer patients 9 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:28.280 AM survivors called five one three, five eighty five. You 10 00:00:28.399 --> 00:00:32.200 seek sixty highway traffics. It's not bad at all this morning, 11 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:34.759 no accidents to deal with. You do have a bit 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.200 of fog to deal with, but I'm not seeing any 13 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.520 slow downs because of it. Northbound Fourth seventy one under 14 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.759 five minutes to seventy five minute town shot, King Vermont, 15 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:45.960 fifty five KR. See the talk station. 16 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.079 At six thirty fifty five ARI see the talk station 17 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.600 A very happy uh Tuesday to at Corey Bowman run 18 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:56.840 from Mayor gonna be talking about whether the city is safe. 19 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:59.200 Coming up at seven oh five. In the meantime, Welcome 20 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.320 back to the fifty five care mornings. It's always a 21 00:01:01.320 --> 00:01:04.840 pleasure to have the FOP president. Ken Kober joined the program. Ken, 22 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.000 welcome back, my friend, Thanks Brian, thanks for having me. 23 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:10.959 I wish he was under better circumstances. Obviously, no one 24 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:15.480 is happy that Patrick Heringer was murdered, and Sarah Heninger 25 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.400 is all over social media and you know, complaining, and 26 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:21.599 you know about the mayor, the police department, the Adult 27 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:22.480 Parole authority. 28 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:25.920 Uh. He was released from custody. 29 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:27.680 I guess he had served his time, but put on 30 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:31.159 an ankle monitor, which he cut off in February. Then 31 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.560 he committed a burglary sometime I guess in May, and 32 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.480 then he murdered Patrick Heninger just a last week. 33 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:38.959 I guess. 34 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.480 Can you address some of her concerns? I guess the 35 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:47.799 first concern? The question is these ankle monitors, how closely 36 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:52.439 are they monitored? And how can someone cut off their 37 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.359 ankle monitor and authorities not be aware of it? Or 38 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.280 were authorities aware that he did cut his ankle monitor 39 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:01.040 off and out looking for him? Was were you aware 40 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:02.599 of it? Were the police department aware of it? You 41 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:04.680 get where I'm coming from. And I'm sorry to ramble, 42 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:07.480 but it is sort of a puzzling mystery question that's 43 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.400 floating around out there. 44 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:12.879 Ken No, sure, I mean their first I can't imagine 45 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.400 what this woman's going through right to deal with this, 46 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:18.960 you having your own husband get murdered in his own home. 47 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:22.840 It's just it's just, Yes, it's senseless and hard hard 48 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:24.120 to imagine, it really is. 49 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.800 Uh. I know, the Adult Parole Authority did put out 50 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:31.879 a statement yesterday saying that they had been looking for 51 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:35.159 him since February. To my knowledge, no one in the 52 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:39.840 police department knew that he had had his ankle monitor 53 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:43.000 cut off, but and that that might be part of 54 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:44.520 a bigger discussion in the future. 55 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:45.319 If if you've. 56 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.240 Got parolies that are at large, that are running around 57 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:52.599 in a particular jurisdiction, maybe it is appropriate that you know, 58 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.159 they start notifying, you know, certain agencies to let them know, Hey, 59 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:58.800 you've got this guy that's dangerous and he just did 60 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.639 nine and a half years or bolonious assault and aggravated riot. 61 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:03.840 Why did we not know? 62 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.439 You know, that's typically not the responsibility of a local jurisdiction. 63 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.120 It is for the Adult Role Authority. 64 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.759 But I can only suspect that they're probably in the 65 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:15.639 same boat that the Cincinnati Police is, which is we're 66 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.680 one hundred and thirty cops short, so they have limited 67 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:23.120 resources just like we do. Not trying to make any excuses, 68 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.719 just trying to clarify why some of these things probably happened. 69 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.639 Yeah, and one of our complaints. And you know, I 70 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.319 understand the difficult position the sinsint police departments and so 71 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.919 just moving away from the pear authority and whether or 72 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:37.400 not they knew he was out or had cut his 73 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:45.120 ankle monitor off. You usually are responding to criminal acts. Now, 74 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.560 your presence may prevent something from happening, but the general 75 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.680 public doesn't know when you were capable of that. When 76 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:55.360 something doesn't happen, they don't realize or know any given 77 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.719 certain circumstances because of your presence. That's the reason a 78 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.840 crime didn't occur. But if a crime occurs, that's when 79 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:03.439 nine to one one is called, and that's when you 80 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:05.319 show up and try to arrest the bad guy or 81 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:07.800 otherwise deal with the situation. I get the order of things. 82 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.599 But she was critical of the lack of police presence 83 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.879 in the neighborhood and made a claim that, uh, in 84 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.199 the district there was only maybe she pointed. District one 85 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.800 covers four neighborhoods, Clifton, Mount Adams, West End and OTR. 86 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.360 She wrote, each may have only one officer per zone. 87 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:25.319 That's it. 88 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.319 Now, is there any accuracy to that? I know your 89 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:30.959 short staff, but one officer in District one at any 90 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:31.480 given time? 91 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.199 Is that is that accurate? 92 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:38.279 There are nights where it is like that, Oh my god. 93 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.199 And that's that's the reality of being short. You know, 94 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:45.560 I worked in District one back in two ty eleven, 95 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.160 twenty twelve, and there were back then we only had 96 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:50.879 three beats and there were nights where there were only 97 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.600 two or three of us working. And that's that's the 98 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:59.480 reality when you're so short staffed, you're spread thin. And 99 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.439 you know, especially this time when we're talking like four 100 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.920 o'clock in the morning. So a District one has two 101 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.680 different shifts that work at night, and the one shift 102 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:12.160 gets off at four o'clock in the morning. So now 103 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.959 all you have from four am until six am when 104 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.000 day shift starts as an even smaller crew of people. 105 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:22.120 And that's that's the unfortunate reality of where we're at. 106 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:28.360 That's that's hard, that's difficult to imagine. I mean, the 107 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:32.000 the the visible presence of police, I think is an 108 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:38.160 important thing to present the perception of a safe community good. 109 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.959 We have police officers patrolling around, there's one right there, 110 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:45.199 but there's only one in that entire geographic area. No 111 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.480 one's going to ever see that one police officer who's 112 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:49.959 probably already responding to a call. Because you're talking about 113 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.319 late night hours, isn't that when most of the bad 114 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.079 things actually happen ken. 115 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.959 You know, late late at night, early mornings like that 116 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:01.639 is typically and you do have a lot of breaking 117 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.480 and enterings things like that because there's less people out 118 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.040 on the streets, so that's when a lot of people 119 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:11.240 are lurking, you know, looking to break into stuff. So 120 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.560 I mean, it's just it's terrible. But that's unfortunately where 121 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:16.920 we are, which is why I was in front of 122 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:21.839 city Council yesterday asking them to take action and have 123 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.600 a lateral class where we can get officers that are 124 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.839 already experienced, get them through an abbreviated academy, and get 125 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:29.920 them on the streets so they can start making a difference, 126 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.839 because having one class every nine months isn't cutting it. 127 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.279 We're not able to keep up with attrition because we 128 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:37.920 have so many people that are leaving. 129 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.360 All right, we'll pause, will bring Ken Gober back on 130 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:41.560 that topic and more. 131 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.680 This is just tragic. Six thirty five. 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Highway traffic continues to 187 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.200 look pretty good this morning, just beginning to slow a 188 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.600 bit southbound two seventy five between the Lawrenceburg ramp and 189 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.639 the bridge Men's a rack outside of Trenton on Wayne 190 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.320 Madison below Riverside chuck Ingram on fifty five KR see 191 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:32.360 the talk station, say forty. 192 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:34.919 Fifty five KERR CD talk station trying to make it 193 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.120 happy Tuesday. Inspite of the subject matter, we're going over 194 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:41.080 with Ken cover fof President Sin Saint Police Departments representatives 195 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:45.120 for the police union. So, Ken, you appealing to city 196 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:48.039 council to get more law enforcement officers on the street. 197 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.399 You're down over one hundred more people retiring, and I 198 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.159 know that's a phenomenon, and I understand, and you can 199 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.639 feel free to chime into the subject. Police morale is 200 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.840 not very high right now now generally speaking, so feel 201 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:04.559 free to comment on that if you like. So you're 202 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:07.000 in front of city Council and you're asking for an 203 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.399 additional I don't know, recruit class. What was the reaction 204 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.440 from council members? Did they agree with you or suggest 205 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:16.240 they would do something about it. I presume this is 206 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:17.279 a matter of budgeting. 207 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.039 It is, and that's why they have their original budget. 208 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.919 And then yesterday and Budget Finance they were doing their 209 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:28.440 adjusted budgets and actually council and Seth Walsh's one that 210 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.200 came to me and said, listen, how much money do 211 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.960 you need for this class? It's important we need the 212 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.759 city to be safe, what do you need? And I 213 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.759 started to talk to some other council members that it 214 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:42.200 was met with support. So I'm hoping that it's going 215 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:43.960 to be in the final budget. I would suspect that 216 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.120 it's going to be. But the reality is we're about 217 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:50.440 nine hundred and thirty nine thirty five right now by August. 218 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:54.519 By August, we're projected to be below nine hundred people. 219 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:56.559 Oh no, so. 220 00:10:57.039 --> 00:10:59.519 I mean that's that's the reality. We had three retirements 221 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.000 last week, we had three resignations two weeks prior to that. 222 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.759 You lost ninety two people last year. We're probably going 223 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:09.000 to lose close to that amount this year. And having 224 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:11.720 a class of only fifty or sixty once a year 225 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.720 is not helping. And talk about morale, Yeah, morale is 226 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.159 certainly a challenge. You know, when you have officers that 227 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:21.559 are you know, being asked to work on their off 228 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:24.519 days come in because they're so short that they need 229 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:26.600 to fill these gaps with overtime you have, I mean, 230 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.600 you have some officers that work in our they are 231 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.960 a SWAT team and our Civil Disturbance Response team that 232 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:35.519 work every Friday and Saturday. They work every event, and 233 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.600 it's just it's getting to the point where it's exhausting 234 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.279 and something's going to give and the way to fill 235 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.519 that gap is to start having these lateral classes. 236 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.200 Well, okay, now I am glad that you were not 237 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:48.639 met with opposition. So the whole idea of defunding the police, 238 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:51.440 it didn't appear to be the attitude you were met with, 239 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.759 which is that that's that's up a hell, that's helpful, 240 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.519 and that that's a positive thing. But in terms of 241 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:00.279 being able to get police or individuals to joining the 242 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:02.879 police force, is that going to be a problem because 243 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.120 you know, with all this anti police sentiment out there, 244 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:06.960 and the and the hard work that you have to 245 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.519 deal with in the community every single day, and how 246 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.919 dangerous it is, that's not a job that a lot 247 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.320 of people gravitate toward, especially with this whole you know, 248 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:18.360 public anti police sentiment that's brewn around out there. So 249 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.000 are you if you if they said we're going to 250 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:22.200 have five classes this year, would you actually be able 251 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.720 to fill the roles given that a lot of people 252 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:26.840 don't even qualify to be police officers. 253 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.440 Well, the lateral classes, those are already officers that are 254 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.360 that are certified police officers, and what we're looking to 255 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.759 do is capitalize on the fact that geographically Cincinnati sits 256 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:42.360 right near Kentucky and Indiana, and those two places, those two 257 00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:46.679 states historically have benefits that are that are significantly less 258 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:47.159 than what we have. 259 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.559 I get you. So that's kind of that's our kind 260 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:51.080 of goal. 261 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.159 Is to you know, get some of these officers from 262 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:55.840 other agencies. I've had other agencies reach out to me, 263 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:58.200 I mean just begging when you guys a gonna have 264 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.360 a lateral class because we do make significantly more money 265 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:06.120 than those other places. And these are already experienced officers 266 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.120 that can go through an abbreviated eight or ten week academy. 267 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:10.840 We can get them on the street to where they're 268 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:14.360 making a difference quickly compared to new people that it's 269 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.720 twenty eight weeks. Then they go through a twelve week 270 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.559 you know, field training officer program. You're looking at a 271 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:26.080 year to two years before they're truly making a significant impact. 272 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.120 On our street strength. Wow. 273 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:30.600 So you're poaching officers, which is great. I mean, if 274 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.399 you're offing better benefits and all of that, I understand. 275 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:35.360 You know, if the fools, the one is not looking 276 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.559 out for his best interest. So if you're making, you know, 277 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.519 insignificant salary elsewhere it might be a great lure so 278 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.159 that at least you have that option out there. Now, 279 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.480 that's going to leave those other police departments with a 280 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:48.679 problem on their hands, but that's not your issue. 281 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:50.960 You're doing this for the city. I get it. 282 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.519 Well, it's certainly right now is a game of shuffle 283 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:58.200 in the deck because we've got officers that are leaving 284 00:13:58.200 --> 00:14:02.360 Cincinnati to go to other apartments for one reason or another, 285 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.919 and it's just everybody's kind of moving around about. And 286 00:14:07.000 --> 00:14:08.960 like I said, if it's an opportunity for us to 287 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.600 do the same thing, why would we not do it? 288 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:12.399 It only makes. 289 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:15.120 Sense understood now in terms of dealing with the morale problem. 290 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:17.679 If you had more officers, that would satisfy a certain 291 00:14:17.720 --> 00:14:21.440 component of it. But in terms of the administration, do 292 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.440 you feel as being effectively run or is that something 293 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.440 you don't feel? Don't want to comment on me because 294 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:26.600 it might get you into trouble. 295 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:33.879 Listen, I'm not really worried about being in trouble. I could. 296 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.639 I could tell you that every administration has its strengths and. 297 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:38.879 Everyone has its weaknesses. 298 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.639 I mean, that's that's just the reality of it. You know, 299 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.759 what I tell people is listen, you cannot like something 300 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.240 that the chief does, you know when you're talking about 301 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.600 administrative things. But the reality is what we need to 302 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:53.840 have as a chief that when we have a critical incident, 303 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.039 we have an officer involved shooting something like that, we 304 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.200 need someone that's going to evaluate it. They're going to 305 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.279 recognize the all did the right thing, and they're going 306 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:04.639 to stand behind that officer. And I mean, you look 307 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.120 at this shooting from from May first, and that's exactly 308 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:09.080 what Chief Fiji has done. I go the rest of 309 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.840 the stuff does it really matter? You know, and in 310 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:16.600 my opinion, if it's administrative things that people are complaining about, 311 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.519 it beats the heck out of you know, the alternative, 312 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.159 which is you could have a chief going, I don't 313 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:23.720 know if this is a good shooting or not. You know, 314 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.080 we're going to that's so that's that's where I want 315 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.039 to support. I want to support when we absolutely need them, 316 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:32.559 when it's life and death, to know that we've got 317 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:34.519 a leader that's going to stand up there and say 318 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:35.720 the officer did the right. 319 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.879 Thing, fair enough. It was widely reported the inquiry, reported 320 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.399 on among other news outlets that crime is up. I 321 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:44.039 think it was forty eight percent over the rhyme, which 322 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:49.200 is where this murder occurred. Are we being given accurate 323 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:52.879 information on the crime statistics in the city of Cincinnati 324 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.559 generally speaking, Well, you. 325 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:57.799 Know, if you look at the city as a whole, 326 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:01.159 crime I think they said down three or four percent. 327 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:03.519 But you're absolutely right when you look at over the 328 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.440 line and what's going on right now, crimes going through 329 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.279 the roof in that particular neighborhood. So you know this 330 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.720 it comes back to the old, you know, college level 331 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:17.840 class of lying with statistics. You can make them seem 332 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:19.840 anything you want them to be. You know, I had 333 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.759 heard that recently that they said, look, there's six hundred 334 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:26.879 and thirty seven people that are assigned to districts. Like 335 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.879 if you look at the assignment report, there's actually four 336 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.120 hundred and fifty officers, less than half of the department 337 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:37.399 is assigned to a relief to answer calls for service. 338 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.679 You add the sergeants and lieutenants whose primary function is 339 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.960 not to answer the radio and patrol. That puts us 340 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:46.679 at five hundred and twenty four. So where are the 341 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.759 other one hundred and thirty people? One hundred and ten people, 342 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.639 whatever it is. And the answer is they're including in 343 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:56.519 this the investigative units that aren't responsible for answering radio runs, 344 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.679 the neighborhood liaison unit that's not responsible for answering radio runs, 345 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.480 the violent crime squad that's not responsible for answering radio runs, hear, 346 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:07.880 and then some administrative folks in there. So were the 347 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.240 numbers that you know that was thrown out this past 348 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.599 week that success. Yeah, it's right, that's how many people 349 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.559 are in these districts, but that's not how many people 350 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:17.000 are responsible for actually answering calls for service. 351 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.759 An excellent point you made there. Put an exclamation point 352 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:22.400 on that one. Now, in terms of the reality of 353 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.599 the situation, now I blame the I mean the Department 354 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.400 of Rehabilitation Correction said. This guy was assigned a multi 355 00:17:29.440 --> 00:17:32.200 agency law enforcement task for US. A warrant was issued 356 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.200 for his arrest. He was designated a violator at large 357 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.519 within twenty four hours of leaving the Halfway House after 358 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.960 he cut his ankle monitor off. But if that information 359 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.400 isn't conveyed to you, then you don't know that you're 360 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.160 looking for this guy. That's one point. The other point 361 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:46.559 is you know that's why we have a crime stopper, 362 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.519 bad guy of the week. You don't know where people 363 00:17:48.599 --> 00:17:52.119 are all the time, and you know, focusing efforts and 364 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:54.920 resources to the police department looking for one guy Mordisha 365 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:57.920 Black who cut his ankle monitor off. Probably, I don't 366 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.039 know best use of your resources, limited as they are. 367 00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.000 Would a full contingent of police though, going back to 368 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:09.799 your point about being understaff, it wouldn't necessarily have changed 369 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:15.759 the sad reality of what happened to the Herringers, would it. 370 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.359 I mean, you can't be at all places at all times, 371 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.559 and merely having a full contingent of police department doesn't 372 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:23.319 mean there aren't going to be crimes, and notably breaking 373 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:24.359 and murder. 374 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:29.039 No, sure, you know, I wish I could only have 375 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.319 the crystal ball to be able to say what the 376 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.119 future was going to do or could this have been prevented? 377 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.160 But the reality is if we had more officers and 378 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:40.599 there were more officers on the street, there would have 379 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:44.799 been more of an opportunity for the officers to have 380 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:47.640 a confrontation with this guy yeah to where you know, 381 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:51.000 maybe they stopped him for you know, jaywalking. Maybe they 382 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:54.599 would have had a better opportunity to see that he 383 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.079 was lurking around at four o'clock in the morning before 384 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.920 this actually occurred. We don't know, but I could tell 385 00:18:59.920 --> 00:19:03.200 you one thing is for certain. The odds would have 386 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:06.880 been better if we had more officers because it would 387 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:10.200 be more opportunity, more people in patrol that maybe could 388 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.039 have come across this guy before it happened. 389 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:12.920 But we just don't know. 390 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:15.960 I know, and I appreciate the reality of that. But 391 00:19:16.160 --> 00:19:20.240 you make some wonderful points. FOP President ken Kobert, it 392 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.519 has been great talking with you, clearing the air on 393 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.839 and some of these important issues, and real quick before 394 00:19:25.839 --> 00:19:28.000 we part company, do you feel like you're getting adequate 395 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.559 and your counsel meeting yesterday went really well, at least 396 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.000 in terms of how they receive your your hope for 397 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:37.039 this lateral class, but in terms of their outward response 398 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:39.279 to things about the police department. Do you feel like 399 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.440 you're getting full support from the mayor and council or 400 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.640 do you think there's silence is deafening, which is my perception. 401 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:50.039