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Speaker 2: A very happy uh Tuesday to at Corey Bowman run
Speaker 2: from Mayor gonna be talking about whether the city is safe.
Speaker 2: Coming up at seven oh five. In the meantime, Welcome
Speaker 2: back to the fifty five care mornings. It's always a
Speaker 2: pleasure to have the FOP president. Ken Kober joined the program. Ken,
Speaker 2: welcome back, my friend, Thanks Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I wish he was under better circumstances. Obviously, no one
Speaker 2: is happy that Patrick Heringer was murdered, and Sarah Heninger
Speaker 2: is all over social media and you know, complaining, and
Speaker 2: you know about the mayor, the police department, the Adult
Speaker 2: Parole authority.
Speaker 1: Uh. He was released from custody.
Speaker 2: I guess he had served his time, but put on
Speaker 2: an ankle monitor, which he cut off in February. Then
Speaker 2: he committed a burglary sometime I guess in May, and
Speaker 2: then he murdered Patrick Heninger just a last week.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Can you address some of her concerns? I guess the
Speaker 2: first concern? The question is these ankle monitors, how closely
Speaker 2: are they monitored? And how can someone cut off their
Speaker 2: ankle monitor and authorities not be aware of it? Or
Speaker 2: were authorities aware that he did cut his ankle monitor
Speaker 2: off and out looking for him? Was were you aware
Speaker 2: of it? Were the police department aware of it? You
Speaker 2: get where I'm coming from. And I'm sorry to ramble,
Speaker 2: but it is sort of a puzzling mystery question that's
Speaker 2: floating around out there.
Speaker 4: Ken No, sure, I mean their first I can't imagine
Speaker 4: what this woman's going through right to deal with this,
Speaker 4: you having your own husband get murdered in his own home.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just, Yes, it's senseless and hard hard
Speaker 2: to imagine, it really is.
Speaker 4: Uh. I know, the Adult Parole Authority did put out
Speaker 4: a statement yesterday saying that they had been looking for
Speaker 4: him since February. To my knowledge, no one in the
Speaker 4: police department knew that he had had his ankle monitor
Speaker 4: cut off, but and that that might be part of
Speaker 4: a bigger discussion in the future.
Speaker 1: If if you've.
Speaker 4: Got parolies that are at large, that are running around
Speaker 4: in a particular jurisdiction, maybe it is appropriate that you know,
Speaker 4: they start notifying, you know, certain agencies to let them know, Hey,
Speaker 4: you've got this guy that's dangerous and he just did
Speaker 4: nine and a half years or bolonious assault and aggravated riot.
Speaker 3: Why did we not know?
Speaker 4: You know, that's typically not the responsibility of a local jurisdiction.
Speaker 1: It is for the Adult Role Authority.
Speaker 4: But I can only suspect that they're probably in the
Speaker 4: same boat that the Cincinnati Police is, which is we're
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty cops short, so they have limited
Speaker 4: resources just like we do. Not trying to make any excuses,
Speaker 4: just trying to clarify why some of these things probably happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and one of our complaints. And you know, I
Speaker 2: understand the difficult position the sinsint police departments and so
Speaker 2: just moving away from the pear authority and whether or
Speaker 2: not they knew he was out or had cut his
Speaker 2: ankle monitor off. You usually are responding to criminal acts. Now,
Speaker 2: your presence may prevent something from happening, but the general
Speaker 2: public doesn't know when you were capable of that. When
Speaker 2: something doesn't happen, they don't realize or know any given
Speaker 2: certain circumstances because of your presence. That's the reason a
Speaker 2: crime didn't occur. But if a crime occurs, that's when
Speaker 2: nine to one one is called, and that's when you
Speaker 2: show up and try to arrest the bad guy or
Speaker 2: otherwise deal with the situation. I get the order of things.
Speaker 2: But she was critical of the lack of police presence
Speaker 2: in the neighborhood and made a claim that, uh, in
Speaker 2: the district there was only maybe she pointed. District one
Speaker 2: covers four neighborhoods, Clifton, Mount Adams, West End and OTR.
Speaker 2: She wrote, each may have only one officer per zone.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Now, is there any accuracy to that? I know your
Speaker 2: short staff, but one officer in District one at any
Speaker 2: given time?
Speaker 1: Is that is that accurate?
Speaker 4: There are nights where it is like that, Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And that's that's the reality of being short. You know,
Speaker 4: I worked in District one back in two ty eleven,
Speaker 4: twenty twelve, and there were back then we only had
Speaker 4: three beats and there were nights where there were only
Speaker 4: two or three of us working. And that's that's the
Speaker 4: reality when you're so short staffed, you're spread thin. And
Speaker 4: you know, especially this time when we're talking like four
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning. So a District one has two
Speaker 4: different shifts that work at night, and the one shift
Speaker 4: gets off at four o'clock in the morning. So now
Speaker 4: all you have from four am until six am when
Speaker 4: day shift starts as an even smaller crew of people.
Speaker 4: And that's that's the unfortunate reality of where we're at.
Speaker 2: That's that's hard, that's difficult to imagine. I mean, the
Speaker 2: the the visible presence of police, I think is an
Speaker 2: important thing to present the perception of a safe community good.
Speaker 2: We have police officers patrolling around, there's one right there,
Speaker 2: but there's only one in that entire geographic area. No
Speaker 2: one's going to ever see that one police officer who's
Speaker 2: probably already responding to a call. Because you're talking about
Speaker 2: late night hours, isn't that when most of the bad
Speaker 2: things actually happen ken.
Speaker 4: You know, late late at night, early mornings like that
Speaker 4: is typically and you do have a lot of breaking
Speaker 4: and enterings things like that because there's less people out
Speaker 4: on the streets, so that's when a lot of people
Speaker 4: are lurking, you know, looking to break into stuff. So
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it's terrible. But that's unfortunately where
Speaker 4: we are, which is why I was in front of
Speaker 4: city Council yesterday asking them to take action and have
Speaker 4: a lateral class where we can get officers that are
Speaker 4: already experienced, get them through an abbreviated academy, and get
Speaker 4: them on the streets so they can start making a difference,
Speaker 4: because having one class every nine months isn't cutting it.
Speaker 4: We're not able to keep up with attrition because we
Speaker 4: have so many people that are leaving.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll pause, will bring Ken Gober back on
Speaker 2: that topic and more.
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Speaker 2: happy Tuesday. Inspite of the subject matter, we're going over
Speaker 2: with Ken cover fof President Sin Saint Police Departments representatives
Speaker 2: for the police union. So, Ken, you appealing to city
Speaker 2: council to get more law enforcement officers on the street.
Speaker 2: You're down over one hundred more people retiring, and I
Speaker 2: know that's a phenomenon, and I understand, and you can
Speaker 2: feel free to chime into the subject. Police morale is
Speaker 2: not very high right now now generally speaking, so feel
Speaker 2: free to comment on that if you like. So you're
Speaker 2: in front of city Council and you're asking for an
Speaker 2: additional I don't know, recruit class. What was the reaction
Speaker 2: from council members? Did they agree with you or suggest
Speaker 2: they would do something about it. I presume this is
Speaker 2: a matter of budgeting.
Speaker 4: It is, and that's why they have their original budget.
Speaker 4: And then yesterday and Budget Finance they were doing their
Speaker 4: adjusted budgets and actually council and Seth Walsh's one that
Speaker 4: came to me and said, listen, how much money do
Speaker 4: you need for this class? It's important we need the
Speaker 4: city to be safe, what do you need? And I
Speaker 4: started to talk to some other council members that it
Speaker 4: was met with support. So I'm hoping that it's going
Speaker 4: to be in the final budget. I would suspect that
Speaker 4: it's going to be. But the reality is we're about
Speaker 4: nine hundred and thirty nine thirty five right now by August.
Speaker 4: By August, we're projected to be below nine hundred people.
Speaker 1: Oh no, so.
Speaker 4: I mean that's that's the reality. We had three retirements
Speaker 4: last week, we had three resignations two weeks prior to that.
Speaker 4: You lost ninety two people last year. We're probably going
Speaker 4: to lose close to that amount this year. And having
Speaker 4: a class of only fifty or sixty once a year
Speaker 4: is not helping. And talk about morale, Yeah, morale is
Speaker 4: certainly a challenge. You know, when you have officers that
Speaker 4: are you know, being asked to work on their off
Speaker 4: days come in because they're so short that they need
Speaker 4: to fill these gaps with overtime you have, I mean,
Speaker 4: you have some officers that work in our they are
Speaker 4: a SWAT team and our Civil Disturbance Response team that
Speaker 4: work every Friday and Saturday. They work every event, and
Speaker 4: it's just it's getting to the point where it's exhausting
Speaker 4: and something's going to give and the way to fill
Speaker 4: that gap is to start having these lateral classes.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, now I am glad that you were not
Speaker 2: met with opposition. So the whole idea of defunding the police,
Speaker 2: it didn't appear to be the attitude you were met with,
Speaker 2: which is that that's that's up a hell, that's helpful,
Speaker 2: and that that's a positive thing. But in terms of
Speaker 2: being able to get police or individuals to joining the
Speaker 2: police force, is that going to be a problem because
Speaker 2: you know, with all this anti police sentiment out there,
Speaker 2: and the and the hard work that you have to
Speaker 2: deal with in the community every single day, and how
Speaker 2: dangerous it is, that's not a job that a lot
Speaker 2: of people gravitate toward, especially with this whole you know,
Speaker 2: public anti police sentiment that's brewn around out there. So
Speaker 2: are you if you if they said we're going to
Speaker 2: have five classes this year, would you actually be able
Speaker 2: to fill the roles given that a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't even qualify to be police officers.
Speaker 4: Well, the lateral classes, those are already officers that are
Speaker 4: that are certified police officers, and what we're looking to
Speaker 4: do is capitalize on the fact that geographically Cincinnati sits
Speaker 4: right near Kentucky and Indiana, and those two places, those two
Speaker 4: states historically have benefits that are that are significantly less
Speaker 4: than what we have.
Speaker 1: I get you. So that's kind of that's our kind
Speaker 1: of goal.
Speaker 4: Is to you know, get some of these officers from
Speaker 4: other agencies. I've had other agencies reach out to me,
Speaker 4: I mean just begging when you guys a gonna have
Speaker 4: a lateral class because we do make significantly more money
Speaker 4: than those other places. And these are already experienced officers
Speaker 4: that can go through an abbreviated eight or ten week academy.
Speaker 4: We can get them on the street to where they're
Speaker 4: making a difference quickly compared to new people that it's
Speaker 4: twenty eight weeks. Then they go through a twelve week
Speaker 4: you know, field training officer program. You're looking at a
Speaker 4: year to two years before they're truly making a significant impact.
Speaker 1: On our street strength. Wow.
Speaker 2: So you're poaching officers, which is great. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you're offing better benefits and all of that, I understand.
Speaker 2: You know, if the fools, the one is not looking
Speaker 2: out for his best interest. So if you're making, you know,
Speaker 2: insignificant salary elsewhere it might be a great lure so
Speaker 2: that at least you have that option out there. Now,
Speaker 2: that's going to leave those other police departments with a
Speaker 2: problem on their hands, but that's not your issue.
Speaker 1: You're doing this for the city. I get it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's certainly right now is a game of shuffle
Speaker 4: in the deck because we've got officers that are leaving
Speaker 4: Cincinnati to go to other apartments for one reason or another,
Speaker 4: and it's just everybody's kind of moving around about. And
Speaker 4: like I said, if it's an opportunity for us to
Speaker 4: do the same thing, why would we not do it?
Speaker 1: It only makes.
Speaker 2: Sense understood now in terms of dealing with the morale problem.
Speaker 2: If you had more officers, that would satisfy a certain
Speaker 2: component of it. But in terms of the administration, do
Speaker 2: you feel as being effectively run or is that something
Speaker 2: you don't feel? Don't want to comment on me because
Speaker 2: it might get you into trouble.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not really worried about being in trouble. I could.
Speaker 4: I could tell you that every administration has its strengths and.
Speaker 1: Everyone has its weaknesses.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's just the reality of it. You know,
Speaker 4: what I tell people is listen, you cannot like something
Speaker 4: that the chief does, you know when you're talking about
Speaker 4: administrative things. But the reality is what we need to
Speaker 4: have as a chief that when we have a critical incident,
Speaker 4: we have an officer involved shooting something like that, we
Speaker 4: need someone that's going to evaluate it. They're going to
Speaker 4: recognize the all did the right thing, and they're going
Speaker 4: to stand behind that officer. And I mean, you look
Speaker 4: at this shooting from from May first, and that's exactly
Speaker 4: what Chief Fiji has done. I go the rest of
Speaker 4: the stuff does it really matter? You know, and in
Speaker 4: my opinion, if it's administrative things that people are complaining about,
Speaker 4: it beats the heck out of you know, the alternative,
Speaker 4: which is you could have a chief going, I don't
Speaker 4: know if this is a good shooting or not. You know,
Speaker 4: we're going to that's so that's that's where I want
Speaker 4: to support. I want to support when we absolutely need them,
Speaker 4: when it's life and death, to know that we've got
Speaker 4: a leader that's going to stand up there and say
Speaker 4: the officer did the right.
Speaker 2: Thing, fair enough. It was widely reported the inquiry, reported
Speaker 2: on among other news outlets that crime is up. I
Speaker 2: think it was forty eight percent over the rhyme, which
Speaker 2: is where this murder occurred. Are we being given accurate
Speaker 2: information on the crime statistics in the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: generally speaking, Well, you.
Speaker 4: Know, if you look at the city as a whole,
Speaker 4: crime I think they said down three or four percent.
Speaker 4: But you're absolutely right when you look at over the
Speaker 4: line and what's going on right now, crimes going through
Speaker 4: the roof in that particular neighborhood. So you know this
Speaker 4: it comes back to the old, you know, college level
Speaker 4: class of lying with statistics. You can make them seem
Speaker 4: anything you want them to be. You know, I had
Speaker 4: heard that recently that they said, look, there's six hundred
Speaker 4: and thirty seven people that are assigned to districts. Like
Speaker 4: if you look at the assignment report, there's actually four
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty officers, less than half of the department
Speaker 4: is assigned to a relief to answer calls for service.
Speaker 4: You add the sergeants and lieutenants whose primary function is
Speaker 4: not to answer the radio and patrol. That puts us
Speaker 4: at five hundred and twenty four. So where are the
Speaker 4: other one hundred and thirty people? One hundred and ten people,
Speaker 4: whatever it is. And the answer is they're including in
Speaker 4: this the investigative units that aren't responsible for answering radio runs,
Speaker 4: the neighborhood liaison unit that's not responsible for answering radio runs,
Speaker 4: the violent crime squad that's not responsible for answering radio runs, hear,
Speaker 4: and then some administrative folks in there. So were the
Speaker 4: numbers that you know that was thrown out this past
Speaker 4: week that success. Yeah, it's right, that's how many people
Speaker 4: are in these districts, but that's not how many people
Speaker 4: are responsible for actually answering calls for service.
Speaker 2: An excellent point you made there. Put an exclamation point
Speaker 2: on that one. Now, in terms of the reality of
Speaker 2: the situation, now I blame the I mean the Department
Speaker 2: of Rehabilitation Correction said. This guy was assigned a multi
Speaker 2: agency law enforcement task for US. A warrant was issued
Speaker 2: for his arrest. He was designated a violator at large
Speaker 2: within twenty four hours of leaving the Halfway House after
Speaker 2: he cut his ankle monitor off. But if that information
Speaker 2: isn't conveyed to you, then you don't know that you're
Speaker 2: looking for this guy. That's one point. The other point
Speaker 2: is you know that's why we have a crime stopper,
Speaker 2: bad guy of the week. You don't know where people
Speaker 2: are all the time, and you know, focusing efforts and
Speaker 2: resources to the police department looking for one guy Mordisha
Speaker 2: Black who cut his ankle monitor off. Probably, I don't
Speaker 2: know best use of your resources, limited as they are.
Speaker 2: Would a full contingent of police though, going back to
Speaker 2: your point about being understaff, it wouldn't necessarily have changed
Speaker 2: the sad reality of what happened to the Herringers, would it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't be at all places at all times,
Speaker 2: and merely having a full contingent of police department doesn't
Speaker 2: mean there aren't going to be crimes, and notably breaking
Speaker 2: and murder.
Speaker 4: No, sure, you know, I wish I could only have
Speaker 4: the crystal ball to be able to say what the
Speaker 4: future was going to do or could this have been prevented?
Speaker 4: But the reality is if we had more officers and
Speaker 4: there were more officers on the street, there would have
Speaker 4: been more of an opportunity for the officers to have
Speaker 4: a confrontation with this guy yeah to where you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they stopped him for you know, jaywalking. Maybe they
Speaker 4: would have had a better opportunity to see that he
Speaker 4: was lurking around at four o'clock in the morning before
Speaker 4: this actually occurred. We don't know, but I could tell
Speaker 4: you one thing is for certain. The odds would have
Speaker 4: been better if we had more officers because it would
Speaker 4: be more opportunity, more people in patrol that maybe could
Speaker 4: have come across this guy before it happened.
Speaker 1: But we just don't know.
Speaker 2: I know, and I appreciate the reality of that. But
Speaker 2: you make some wonderful points. FOP President ken Kobert, it
Speaker 2: has been great talking with you, clearing the air on
Speaker 2: and some of these important issues, and real quick before
Speaker 2: we part company, do you feel like you're getting adequate
Speaker 2: and your counsel meeting yesterday went really well, at least
Speaker 2: in terms of how they receive your your hope for
Speaker 2: this lateral class, but in terms of their outward response
Speaker 2: to things about the police department. Do you feel like
Speaker 2: you're getting full support from the mayor and council or
Speaker 2: do you think there's silence is deafening, which is my perception.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is. The hard part is you know,
Speaker 4: in this as tragic as this case is, we've had
Speaker 4: three more murder sins. Yeah, and there's there's been no So,
Speaker 4: you know, while I feel for you know, Patrick's wife,
Speaker 4: she's absolutely right that, you know, and I've seen some
Speaker 4: of her stuff on social media that's this isn't just
Speaker 4: about her husband, this is about all the other people
Speaker 4: that are victims amen in Cincinnati, and it's just the
Speaker 4: lack of response has said the silence has been deafening.
Speaker 2: Well, they're more interested in presenting a picture of the
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati as a peaceful, welcoming environment and they're
Speaker 2: trying to get people to move into the city. And
Speaker 2: if they talk about crime and they stand up for
Speaker 2: police officers and criticize crimes and murders when they happen,
Speaker 2: that is not exactly a good marketing scheme. And I
Speaker 2: think they're more worried about marketing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a shame, you know, instead of face and
Speaker 4: reality and finding ways to make things safer. Yeah, it's certainly,
Speaker 4: certainly not a good look that people are seeing it
Speaker 4: for what it is.
Speaker 2: Ken Kober, great having you on today. A blessing to
Speaker 2: you and all the CINCINNT Police Department. I know you
Speaker 2: guys are doing the best you can possibly can, and
Speaker 2: I know my listeners truly appreciate members of law enforcement
Speaker 2: and your sacrifices what you do every day.
Speaker 1: So keep up the great work, my friend.
Speaker 4: All right, Brian, thanks for having me.
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