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Handy online. Gentlemen, how you guys doing today? Oh, I

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guess they're not on the line yet. I apologize. I'm

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sorry that they are not on the line yet. We

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will get them on the line here shortly. But obviously

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the topic du jour, the topic of the day is

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the Parker Kingston situation. Okay, very controversial here, high profile

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case here in the state of Utah that we've dealt

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into in the earlier segments.

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Speaker 1: Will continue to discuss it.

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Speaker 4: The most recent reports, essentially the victim in rape allegations

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against BAU football player reportedly set clear boundaries Okay, before

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the two met up in February twenty twenty five. According

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to recently unsealed documents, Parker Kingston, twenty one year old

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bau Wide receiver, was charged in Washington County with one

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count of first degree founding rape earlier this week. The

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charges come after an investigation that started in February twenty

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twenty five. According to court documents, the twenty year old

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victim first reported of the sexual assault about four days

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after the two met in February twenty twenty five, so

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that's when she reported. In June of the same year,

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she spoke with a forensic investigator. On February twenty third,

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Kingston arrived at the victim's home. This is February twenty

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February twenty third, twenty twenty five. Kingston arrived at the

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victim's home, where the two watched a movie and began

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to engage in some sexual activity which did not include sex.

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I don't know what that means. So it's some sexual

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activity that needs clarification, but it didn't include I guess

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intercourse is what the proper terminology would be. The victim

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told investigators that as Kingston began to fall asleep, she

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went up to get ready for bed.

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Speaker 1: When she returned.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen minutes rater Kingston attempted a sexual activity again. According

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to court documents, the alleged victim told Kingston to stop

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several times and attempted to push him off of her.

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Speaker 4: On communications obtained from Kingston's cell phone after the incident,

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it can be inferred that he went to her apartment

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with the intention of having.

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Speaker 1: Sexual intercourse, so his expectation.

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Speaker 4: Was one thing, even though that she had set clear boundaries.

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Speaker 1: Her and her report.

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Speaker 4: So Kingston was taken into custody earlier this week, and

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he's being held in Washington County Jail without bail. He

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In response to the allegations, bo You said it takes

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any allegation very seriously and will continue to cooperate with

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law enforcement. The university refused to comment further, citing federal

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and university privacy laws and practices for students. So that's

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one of some of the most recent news. You know,

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justice for the victim, for Parker, and for everybody involved.

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Speaker 1: Uh four days it was you know, from.

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purported rape.

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someone asked me was like, how do you prove consent?

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some sexual activity, that it was not consensual or consensual.

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them have commented at ben innocent until proven guilty. There

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which the the accused has been exonerated, has been found

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not guilty in front of a jury of its, of

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difficult to I believe confirm consent or not having consent

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from what I've been told. But our thoughts and praisure

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with all those involved, and ultimately what I've said in

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I want justice and truth as much as we can

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get here, as many details as we can obtain for

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all those involved. Okay, yesterday we we you know, we

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more on Friday. We'll get our good friends Handy and

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Handy here on the line here momentarily, but just as

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a recap some of the topics that we've been broaching today,

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how about some college football commentary.

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Speaker 1: Even with the.

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Speaker 4: Loss of Parker kings let's just talk football. Parker Kingston

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was potentially the wide receiver one for this BA Cougar

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football team. He was obviously putt return putt returner one.

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I still think that BYU will be a favorite, you know,

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top four to five team, maybe a top three, maybe

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a top two team in the Big Twelve heading into

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twenty twenty six. They have a robust talent group, I

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think offensively and defensively. They return a ton of talent

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as well, and they return their coaching staff that knows

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how to extract the most out of that talent.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Bay you.

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Speaker 4: Will finish per Cody Angel of CBS Sports on his

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way too early top twenty five both predictions. He states

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by you will finish unbeaten in the Big twelve regular season.

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That may very well be a hot take for some

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Let's get out to the hot line. Let's talk a

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little sports court with injury attorneys, the most trusted Utah

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injury attorneys. We got Garrett and Preston Handy on the line. Gentlemen,

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how you guys doing today?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Ben doing well? How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Always a pleasure, always a blessing talking sports court with

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you guys. Unfortunately, we have a BYU sports core topic we're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna get into here.

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Speaker 4: The Parker Kingston News rocked Profo and cougaration yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys know about this situation?

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Speaker 4: Let's break down some of the facts and then get

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into the follow up questions.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would say, Ben, We've given you a number

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of stories today, but I think we will spend as

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much time in the space here as we need to,

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Speaker 1: Gonna spend all the time on this guys. I hate

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to say it, like we got a time.

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Speaker 7: Maybe dive into the second story if we have time.

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But yeah, so this hit like a bombshell, right, you know,

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And you know in the first thought that people goes

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to people's minds is are you kidding me? Jake Redsloff

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last year, last summer, and now Parker Kingston, and you

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see this headline and it just kind of rocks your world.

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But you know, we we've got information on two levels.

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It was first reported in the news that Parker Kingston

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had been arrested and charged with felony rape and he

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was being held in the Saint George Jail without bail,

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and that this was based on allegations of an incident

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that happened February of twenty twenty five, so a year ago.

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It was reported in the newspaper that the detectives indicated

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that they had been gathering evidence and had spoken to

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many witnesses before these charges were filed. Well, we have Garrett,

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in his resourcefulness, he has gained the file the documents

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that have been filed with the court, so we have

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some more detailed information on this. One of the things

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that was filed is called the information and this is

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where the prosecuting attorney sets forth to charge and it

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just says count one rape a first degree felony in

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that the defendant had sexual intercourse with another without hurricanes

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in violation of blah blah blah lah. So that sets

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TV programs. But what that does is sets forth facts

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that the prosecutor is setting forth and saying, here is

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why we believe. This justifies what we're doing. And I

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won't go into all of them. Some of them are

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detailed and a little salacious, but the important ones I

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think to address on here ben are. It says that

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on February twenty seven, twenty twenty five, and this is

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four days after what the alleged incident when it took place,

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it states that a twenty year old female am initials,

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made contact with officers of Saint George Regional at Saint

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George's Regional Hospital to report a sexual assault. Then it

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goes through things that lead up to what happened and

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end with a statement that says defendant, without her consent,

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raped her. An important and important part I think of

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this probable cause that I think is really important in it,

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and it has a lot of questions remaining, but it

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just does it say. In an interview with defendant Parker Kingston,

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he claims that all sexual activity with Am was consensual.

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He says based on communication in the self in his

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cell phone after incident, it was it can be inferred,

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meaning this is what he thought, that he went to

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her apartment with the intention of having sexual intercourse.

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Speaker 6: Now what we don't know, Ben.

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Speaker 7: And I think this is really important, is when did

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weeks after her allegations or was that a month ago?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 7: Did he hit this him? And he's like, what's going

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and findings of a rape kit. But these are part

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of the problem because things going on. So you know,

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without Belle in the Saint George Jail, and so a

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being arrested in charge. Now My position is, and again

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for the listeners, this is just my guess is the

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prosecuting office had this. They were doing their interviews, gathering

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evidence over the last year. And that doesn't mean they're

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doing it every single day, but they're gathering it, taking

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their time, and before they file charges this serious, the

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felony one of rape, they want to make sure they

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have everything in place so that if this does go

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to trial, they can meet their burden of proof and

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that has to be beyond a reasonable doubt. And so

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that's why I think it took this time. And that's

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just a supposition. But some of the other questions I'll

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Speaker 1: So you stated in the burden of proof segment.

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is bringing forth for you know, this to justify a

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warrant for his arrest?

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Speaker 1: Correct?

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this report is that what that.

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the prosecution has to prove, you know, really to get

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a conviction and that and that's that's.

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Speaker 1: But that's not for the arrest.

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to go out and arrest and pro qualify this evidentiary

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Speaker 8: Him, right, So that's that's the probable cause statement, right,

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which is a lower lower standard of course, and so

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that there's probable cause. And so what they've done is

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they've outlined that in this statement from the detective and

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kind of the timeline events. As you know, four days

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later it was reported. You know, we've looked at the evidence,

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we talked to him, and based on this information that

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we have, we believe, right that there's that there's there's

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been a crime here committed a felony rape, and that

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we can prove that. And so now they've got to

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go through and meet that larger burden right as the

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case goes forward.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha, So the there was a mention of no DNA

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findings and no evidence of a rape kit.

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Speaker 1: Could you go into that, like, so, did she.

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Speaker 4: Not go into the hospital and and perform a rape

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kit or have any sort of DNA evidence that that

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proved that he, you know, engaged in sexual intercourse with

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with this uh, with the with the acute or with

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the the alleged victim.

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't know.

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Speaker 7: And that that was just me pointing out that there

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was no in this probable cost statement. There wasn't something

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that said we've obtained DNA that supports this and this

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and this, and then didn't say when she was at

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the hospital they performed a rape kit. That doesn't mean

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it didn't happen, They just didn't report it. I mean

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rape kits will show different things. For example, they'll show

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signs of trauma. But you know, he's already admitted that

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there was sexual yea, yeah, Yet you know his his

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position is, hey, yeah, it happened, but it was totally

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consensual and it doesn't rise to the level of what

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you're saying happened that rape you know, and if you're reading,

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if we can get into it. But this probable cost

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statement talks a lot about how they communicated and I'm

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guessing either a cell phone or through a dating app,

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where she claims that she set for specific boundaries or

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parameters of their encounter, you know, knowing what they were

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going to get together and hang out, and that she

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set forth numerous times definite boundaries and that I think

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the probable cause statement makes it a point to set

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that out so they can meet this burden of what

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you know, there are elements of crimes, and what are

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these elements of crimes. Well, one of the elements of

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rape is non consent and you know in that it

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says that he raped her without her consent and so

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so we don't know about the DNA or the but

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four days later, I don't know this. I doubt that

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they have DNA that was supported.

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that what happen? And then she went to the police

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at the same time. Is that what the sequence was?

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Speaker 6: They called the police to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they called the police of the hospital.

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called the police to the hospital.

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Speaker 7: And again, let me just say this DNA is probably

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not important because he's admitting it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he admitted And so how does that process occur?

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Like so that she she accuses him, right, she tells

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the police officers and then they're going to reach out

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eventually and say, hey, we you know what what is that?

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What does that look like? What does that process look like?

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they were interviewing him. We don't really have any details

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Speaker 6: We we don't know.

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right is how soon did that interview take place? Because

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they apparently did talk to him again, whether it was

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on the on the phone or in person, we don't know,

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and we don't know when that happened. But you know,

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something else I mean we've we've kind of wondered is

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whether or not he had an attorney present with him

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when he was interviewed by the police. I mean, it

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would be of course smart to have one, you should

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looking at the you know, the court's docket on this,

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I don't see that an attorney yet has has filed

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an appearance on Parker's behalf, But no doubt somebody's going

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to show up. I mean, he's he's he's going to

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appear in court tomorrow, tomorrow, early afternoon, one thirty.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 8: There's going to be an arrayment. He's gonna have a

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chance to you know, to make a plea.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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crystal ball here, he's going to plead not guilty. And

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I think by then I'll have an attorney lined up.

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Speaker 4: Why is he being held without bail? What's the justification

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for that? And is it merited?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 7: I think and this again in supposition, I my guess

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is that a felony one rape charge, there is a

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an automatic you be held without bail, and they have

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a speedy arraignment. You know, it's two days later. He's

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gonna to be appear before the judge. But one thing

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that that's just my guess, and I have no doubt

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at the arraignment they will discuss bell and I think

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one of the things that apparently came out today and

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I don't have any over information, that they viewed him

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as a flight risk. And that's one of the things

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that Bell Bell does. Bell says, hey, you pay this

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amount and you're guaranteeing that when you need to be here,

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you'll be here and we don't need to come chase

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you down and find you in the Bahamas.

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Speaker 6: I'm talking about any type of person.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, how did they how do they justify justify flight risk?

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I guess how to How is that evaluated and graded?

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Speaker 1: You know, is there any parameter there?

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specifics on that, so we're speculating a little bit. That's

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been something that's been floated around. There were a few

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of the filings were under seal, and so we didn't

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know on these charges, just that you know, the charges

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had been filed. But so we don't have specific specifics

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of that, you know, I mean, this is a case

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by case thing. It's there's not just one standard for that.

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Speaker 4: What's the We've had plenty of high profile case cases

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like this recently, even going back twenty years. I want

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to Duke Lacrosse rape case. Uh, there's there's been a

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number of these that that these uh, these individuals that

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are accused, they're exonerated. Uh. Why are these rape cases

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so difficult to prove consent or not consent?

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Speaker 7: Well, because if all you've got is her testimony and

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his testimony, it's a high burden on the prosecution. And

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I think Garrett pointed out, I think there's probably other

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stuff out there that they have that, you know, they

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don't want to go in blind and think, oh, we're

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not going to be able to prove this. You know,

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Speaker 6: Thrown out possibilities. That's what lawyers do.

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Speaker 7: You know, there might be a text or something that

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supports her claim, you know, something that happened after you know,

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and this type of thing. They might have put that

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in a proble cause maybe they didn't. But you know,

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how they're exonerated, you know, I mean the Duke case

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was classic where you know, someone claimed this, they got

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caught up in this, and these guys were really you know,

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railroaded and it came out later that it really didn't happen.

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So the one thing Parker Kingston's done is he's admitted.

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He's admitted one part of it, right, and that's and

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he hasn't admitted the other. And listen, I think I

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think it's important if you wanted to get into this,

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let me know, Ben, how we juxtapose and compare the

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rest left case to this.

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Speaker 4: You want to do that, yeah, I mean, we have

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a few more minutes left, so we may have to

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postpone it. I would love to get you guys on

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tomorrow again if you guys want to discuss this in

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more depth because we're short on time. But you know,

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just this final thing, there's real final thing before we

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let you go, because I do want to go into

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that juxtaposition between the civil case with Jake and this

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much more serious case, this felony charge FAENIY rape case

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with Parker Kingston.

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Speaker 1: But last thing, what's the best case.

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Speaker 4: Scenario for Parker and what would be the worst case

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scenario here as far as I mean, if he's.

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Speaker 1: Convicted, what does that look like for him?

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Speaker 4: As I mean, obviously judge and jury's gonna make that

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delineation and make that decision ultimately. But what are the

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best and worst case scenarios for him?

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Speaker 7: Well, the best case scenario is they get going down

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the road towards the trial and things come out and

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the prosecution decides to dismiss the charges, you know, and

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basically what a lot of times when that happens, they're

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not saying that this didn't happen. They're just saying, we

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don't think we can meet the level of proving rape.

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trial and he gets convicted, and then there's there's det

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Stroy guidelines. A few convicted of this type of crime.

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Every crime has destroy guidelines. It says, here's the maximum sentence,

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here's the minimum sentence, and this is the type of thing,

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you know, and the judge will decide that based on

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the factors. And that's in any criminal case, not just his,

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but that that's worst case. And in between that, you know,

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there can be a plea bargain, you know, to something

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far less than rape, or maybe something close to rape.

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the stance it was consensual, I highly doubt he's gonna

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you know, because a plea bargain means you have a

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you have a criminal record, you know, and so it's

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it's unfortunate. We need to remember that there is a

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victim who feels her causes just there is a defendant

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who has constitutional rights. And many times you have conflicting stories,

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you know, and uh, it'll have to play its way out.

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Speaker 6: Don't anyone jump to conclusions.

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Speaker 7: And there's a prosecution that feels like they can meet

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their burden. These are all these, you know, these competing.

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Speaker 1: Interests, gentlemen. I always appreciate our time. Let's catch you.

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Get you guys on again soon.

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Speaker 4: You basketball again, Prepkint Ready for the Colorado Buffalo's. They

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are heavy favorite in this game. Buffaloes. I've had their

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ups and downs this season. They're fourteen eleven on the year.

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Four and eight in the Big Twelve, and they're looking

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to write the Ship versus a Formidable Foe and byub

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get out to the Let's get out

528
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to the hotline.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk to Colorado Buffalo basketball ladies and gentlemen, boys

530
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and girls. Let's welcome in the voice of the Colorado Buffaloes.

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Speaker 1: We got Mark Johnson on the line. Mark, Now, that

532
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are you well?

533
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Speaker 5: A fantastic and I hope the way that you guys

534
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have been playing off seasonal and the way the Bubblos

535
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are playing on the road that being at this Valentine's Day,

536
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you'll be somewhat loving to us on Saturday when we get.

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Speaker 4: Hey, man, you know, we always try to be kind

538
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to everyone that comes into the friendly confines of the

539
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Marriott Center, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: But it'll be I'm sure a competitive one, no doubt.

541
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Speaker 4: Look, the Buffs have had their ups and downs this season,

542
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and recently your head coach went off on a bit

543
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of a diatrode post game.

544
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Speaker 1: They are fantastic quotes.

545
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Speaker 4: Give us a little breakdown what happened over the last

546
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twenty four to forty eight hours with the Buffalo basketball

547
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team and your head.

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Speaker 5: Coach well, what's going on is you've got a young

549
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basketball team in the University of Colorado. There's one senior

550
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and he doesn't play much at all, and so it's

551
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it's mainly all freshmen and sophomores. BEng got Decket is

552
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a junior and he'll start. And so this team's a

553
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little bit immature. It's talented, but immature. And here's what

554
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we're seeing with Colorado right now. Every team's going to

555
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be a little different. Home of the way. This team

556
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is really jackling Hyde home and away, you know, two

557
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Wednesdays in a row. So you think of the last

558
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four games, Busts have gone two and two, had two

559
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nice wins at home, one over TCU, one over Arizona State,

560
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and then sandwiched around those two where two lopsided losses,

561
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one at Iowa State and the one at Texas Tech

562
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last night. Now those are quality opponents. Make the mistake

563
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about it, but this is same Texas Tech team they

564
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launched two by thirty four last night that they launched

565
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two by two at home just a few weeks ago.

566
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And so it's really an extreme team in what is

567
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getting Tad's at boils. You know, blood boiling is the

568
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fact that they've been so different home and away from

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a I think from an intensity standpoint, from a toughness standpoint.

570
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So last night he comes out of the bustcame radio

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Hill and then carried it into the postcamp press conference

572
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and said he's not sure that the team is worthy

573
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of taking the charter home. He thought maybe should book

574
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them on a six am flight would have been this morning.

575
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And I very quickly corrected him and said, you know,

576
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I called him one over here, so I paid my dues.

577
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I'm okay getting under charter. The rest of you can

578
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stay back, but I want to go home with the

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charter tonight. So he's a competitive guy. He rarely has

580
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an unspoken thought, and he's very honest most of the time.

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But he was frustrated, very honest last night.

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Speaker 4: Well I can understand he's a little bit frustrated with

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his team. Right now, what's been the trajection of this team?

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I mean, overall, you're like, hey, fourteen and eleven team,

585
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they are struggling in the Big twelve. We know the

586
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Big twelve is a gauntlet, but they've been competitive in

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many of these games, right, I mean, you look at

588
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that Texas Tech matchup, it's like, hey, we were right

589
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there knocking on the door. Cincinnati was a close one.

590
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West Virginia had its back and forth. Kansas was a

591
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close one. It was when you were within striking distance,

592
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even UCF the Iowa State game got away. You beat TCU,

593
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Baylor got away from you. That was a disappointing one.

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Arizona State you bounce back. And then the Texas Tech

595
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second go round was a flop.

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Speaker 1: But noodle, what's happened.

597
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Speaker 5: Well, it's kind of be interesting that this team is

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early on he's and if you look at the offensive

599
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numbers for Colorado, it's a very I mean the numbers

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in price right, you know, they're able to score well.

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They shoot well forty eight forty nine fifty percent. They've

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had a go three point shooting team all year long.

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Generally they took care of the ball well under ten.

604
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The game of the last night was sixteen. And so

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they've done a lot of things well on the offensive team.

606
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But like a lot of young players, they gain their

607
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identity and their energy for a game by what happens

608
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on the offensive end. So last night, tax clamping down

609
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defensively and instead of okay, let's pick up our intensity

610
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in the defensive end, and okay, if you got to

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win this game, you know, sixty to fifty seven, let's

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do that. You know, they continued to fire, continue to

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get their head down. Then head Town have intensity on

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the defensive end. During Ted Boill's tenure here fifteen previous seasons,

615
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this has been a program built on defensive rebounding, and

616
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this team lacks in both of those areas, despite the

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fact they're physically capable of doing that, and so that

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in itself becomes the problem that they identify offensively instead

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of living defensively in rebounding and then letting the offense come.

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And that's why that's where the discrepancy who has been

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on this team and and why he's gonna be so

622
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frustrated right now.

623
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Speaker 4: Well, it's it's always difficult to go through long losing streaks.

624
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: Right there. There was a there was a tough stretch there.

625
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It was a six game losing streak.

626
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Speaker 4: You thought you got back into the swing of things

627
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with a dominant victory over TCU, then you drop to Baylor,

628
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you beat Arizona State, then you lose the Texas Tech.

629
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Is this the bounce back? We've gone one win, lost

630
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,039
win lost. Are they looking confident enough to get a

631
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win on the road at b YU.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think they're certainly capable now, though obviously that'd

633
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be a very steep hill to climb considering what BYU

634
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,839
isn't kind of the personnel that the Cougars have, and

635
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:48,960
so but with this team, uh, I think what's frustrating

636
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,359
about it? And we all know, like you mentioned just

637
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a moment ago, the Big Twelve is an unforgiving league.

638
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:56,160
It's the best college basketball league in America. We all

639
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understand that. So you're going to face a BYU or

640
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a Tech or h Iowy State or can or you

641
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,359
know Houston or you know Arizona any given week, and

642
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480
sometimes you stack them up three four in a row,

643
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,759
and it gets me very difficult. So when you are

644
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:12,440
a young squad like Colorado is, and then let let's

645
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,039
just be real honest about it, what college athletics is,

646
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,480
I'm pretty sure it's either fifteenth or sixteen. The Buffs

647
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,319
roster payroll is either dead last or next to dead last,

648
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,079
or the Big Twelve. And so you're bringing a knife

649
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,599
to a gunfight in some respects Now, is that an

650
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:29,720
excuse for losing?

651
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: No?

652
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,319
Speaker 5: Is it a contributing factor. It can be. And so

653
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,960
this is a talented team. I mean right now, this

654
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,519
freshman class. You know, you've got so many guys like

655
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:40,880
you know de Baster where you're at another freshman around

656
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,039
the league that are so good. He kind of gets

657
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,640
lost in the mix. But Isaiah Johnson is a very

658
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,680
good freshman. He leads the Buffalo is a sixteen points

659
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,200
football game. He's got NBA ties. His godfather is is

660
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,960
Dwayne Wade. His dad works with Lebron James and you

661
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,960
know we're down to Tempe and Chris Paul shows up

662
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,720
to be So this kid has been around here NBA

663
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,480
basketball and against NBA players since he's on fourteen or

664
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,960
fifteen years old. So he's got a very high upside.

665
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,640
He's he kind of defies by what he looks like,

666
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,799
by how we plays. Looks like he's fourteen years old,

667
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,680
ways about one hundred and sixty five pounds, but a

668
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:17,279
very talented kid. There's Jayalen Holland, Josiah Sanders, ian Inman,

669
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,640
Takowe Follal and these are all really talented young guys,

670
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,880
but they don't know what they don't know at the

671
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age of eighteen years old, and so there's going to

672
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be some ups and downs with this team. And you

673
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,720
know last night they headed down and so they're hoping

674
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to bounce back, but you got to do it on

675
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the road against another very quality team, a top level team,

676
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and so it's not going to be easy when they

677
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take on the BYU.

678
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Let's get a scouting report on these bops from a

679
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,680
personnel standpoint.

680
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Speaker 1: You named off a few of these players.

681
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Speaker 4: I know Isaiah Johnson is the leading score of this team,

682
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and there's some good big men on this team as well.

683
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I think there's some talent. You mentioned that they're more

684
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than capable of beating many of these big twelve teams,

685
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and they've showcased that.

686
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Speaker 1: Let's get a little personnel breakdown, if you could.

687
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Speaker 5: Well, Aaron lies of the issue right there and you

688
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,319
saw it last night. I don't know this is the

689
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box score in front of you. But the two guys

690
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,559
that were supposed to be even though they're only ones

691
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,559
in upperclassman Payne got Dak is just about seven feet

692
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,280
tall and he's a pogo stick and a real bouncy guy.

693
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,360
A little on the green side, but he was gonna

694
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be one of the two guys that were going to

695
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,360
really build her out with all the freshmen coming in. Okay,

696
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,639
you're gonna be one of the guys. And then Sebastian Ronchik,

697
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,360
who's a sophomore from Slovaki sixty eleven, highly skilled guy.

698
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,800
I mean, he's got an NBA look about him. Now.

699
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,320
Is he mentally tough enough to move out of the

700
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,320
NBA that's a question mark because he's been very inconsistent.

701
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:40,280
He can shoot it, he could put it on the floor.

702
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,880
He's kind of a stretch forward type, but really has

703
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,679
got an NBA game about him. Those guys last night

704
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,039
were horrible in that game against Texas Tech. In fact,

705
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:54,239
one of the coaching staff I was driving home last

706
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,400
night after we Landa had shot me a quick text

707
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,880
about some of the numbers about what the three bigs

708
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,639
for Tech did, and it was, you know, phenomenal shooting,

709
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,400
fifty percent shooting and scored the you know, thirty two

710
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,159
points or something combined, and the two bigs for Colorado

711
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,559
only had I think it was three points between the

712
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,840
two of them at about five rebounds and in five

713
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,159
turnovers on top of it. So they've been inconsistent. That

714
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,400
is probably the major. If you're gonna kind of finger

715
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,679
one thing you point to that the two guys that

716
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,840
were supposed to elevate and be the cornerstone to the

717
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,880
team and allow the young guys to kind of come

718
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,159
in and grow a little bit haven't been as good

719
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,920
consistently as they should have been. Now do they have

720
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,920
great games? Just the game before Sebastian Rodgerson went out

721
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,159
and had seventeen points, eleven rebounds, and a win over

722
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,320
Arizona State, and was the best player on the court

723
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,599
that night, hit what three or four three pointers in

724
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,400
that ball game, grabbed the four or five offensive rebounds,

725
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,639
and so they're very capable, but they might lead the

726
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,840
parade and inconsistency home and away, and that that's probably

727
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,760
the most troubling about that. Outside of that. Barrington Hardress

728
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,639
is a transfer guard from UC Riverside average over twenty games,

729
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,760
one of the top scorers in the country a year ago.

730
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,960
He has been wonderful. Now He's six foot one, average

731
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,599
about four or five assists for ball game. Is it

732
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,880
is eternal oprations about three and a half to one.

733
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,960
He has been as solid as they come. So the

734
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,000
two guys in the backcourt Barrington Hargress and Isaiah Johnson

735
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719
have been kind of the steadying force in this thing.

736
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:16,800
The other youngsters have come in and played well at

737
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,119
different times. Those two bigs, like I said, I got

738
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,000
to find themselves more consistency down the stretch before we

739
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:22,800
get to Kansas City.

740
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 4: Well, I love the breakdown from I don't know if

741
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,159
you've chatted with the coaches or any of the players

742
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,400
about their scouting report on Byu, But what's the buzz

743
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:36,519
there amongst the Buffaloes regarding the formidable foe that he's

744
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:39,519
Byu at the Merriage Center on Valentine's Day?

745
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, there wasn't much talk about that. I'm supposed to

746
00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:43,599
get together with the coaches got the scout later on

747
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,400
today and get a couple of comments from him on that.

748
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:48,320
But obviously, you know, you think about you know, we've

749
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,239
seen Byu last year. He had the band said he

750
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,159
is obviously maybe the number one pick in the upcoming draft,

751
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,960
and he's dynamic with what he does. And Richie Saunders,

752
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,519
of course, we saw him enough last year and know

753
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:00,679
that what he was able to do. And then the

754
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,039
you know, Robert writes a very quality player, So you

755
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:06,400
know there's what we understand what you're getting up against. Uh,

756
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,360
you know, when you when you start playing BYU. The

757
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,519
way they shoot the ball, the way they rebound the ball,

758
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,440
what they do, it's a quality of quality opponent like

759
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,320
you kind of get used to in this league, right,

760
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,880
And so there's no you know, thoughts that somehow you know,

761
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,559
we're walking into a situation where you've got you know,

762
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,079
an opportunity where where the bumps are sitting right now

763
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:25,559
if you look at this and say, okay, this is

764
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,079
the game, we're really going to come in and we

765
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:28,519
got a chance to win this one. We thought that

766
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:29,920
going down to the Baylor here, it's a true time

767
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,239
ago didn't work out that night. Now, this team BYU

768
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,559
is a lot better than what Baylor is. Baylor's talented.

769
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,679
BYU is a better team, and so I think it's

770
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:40,679
a great challenge for Colorado WINCENTA.

771
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: No doubt about it.

772
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 4: We've got Mark Johnson on the line, Cougar Sports, ESPN

773
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,800
the Fan, Mark Johnson, the voice of the Colorado Buffalo's

774
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,159
talking some buff ball here on your Utah ESPN Radio network.

775
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:53,679
It's uh, you know, obviously be always favored in this

776
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,679
one heavily favored. Uh, you've been watching Big twelve basketball now,

777
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,679
I guess reignite you, right, Compared contrast Big twelve basketball

778
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:08,239
of the prior I guesst Colorado era before jumping into

779
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,800
the PAC twelve and what the Big twelve looks.

780
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 5: Like now, well, it's totally different. And you know, it's

781
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,920
interesting because you know, Colorado has got the phenomenal history

782
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,639
in the league Big seven, Big eight, Big twelve, what

783
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,639
are the original members of it? And so there was

784
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,079
always that great history. When Colorado made the jump in

785
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,079
Tad Boyle's second year to the PAC twelve, you understood

786
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,199
the reasoning behind it. There were a lot of fans

787
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,519
that weren't happy about, you know, kind of leaving behind

788
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,519
the old Big eight Big twelve, but you understood because

789
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,960
Colorado's fan base or alumni base, I should say, is

790
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,239
really East coast or West coast heavy, very heavy in California,

791
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,400
and so it made sense in that regard. And there

792
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,760
are other things. Now, let's be honest about it. The

793
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,280
expanded PAC twelve and the leadership of that league were

794
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,480
an unmitigated disaster in terms of how they handled things.

795
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:54,880
What they did, they ruined it. Larry Scott might be

796
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,039
go down as one of the worst commissioners in the

797
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,039
history of sports. I mean, a guy was a clown.

798
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,679
And so you see that thing fall apart, and and

799
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,920
so you come back now with this ever shifting ground.

800
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,039
We'reund in college athletics and you know nil and transfer

801
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:09,960
portals and all that, and kind of get reunited with

802
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,000
the old conference. But I mean, look how different it is.

803
00:39:13,039 --> 00:39:14,840
I mean, know, I joke all the time during the

804
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,320
football season, I said, boy, nothing says Big twelve Conference,

805
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,000
you know, football like Colorado at West Virginia. I mean,

806
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,480
it just you know, doesn't doesn't seem to resonate with us. Now,

807
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,360
with that being said, it's a very good and fine

808
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,800
football league, but it is a spectacular basketball league. And

809
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,840
so when you've got you know, the Pac twelve leftovers

810
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,239
that moved on from Arizona, you know, Colorado, Arizona State,

811
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,199
Utah comes in there, b why you joins from the outside.

812
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,840
And then you add Central Florida has become kind of

813
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,159
an interesting program in terms of the money they're spending

814
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,920
down there. West Virginia's got great history, and in Cincinnati,

815
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,119
which has you know, got final fours in its history,

816
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,119
you've created this monster conference that that I think is

817
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,000
is better than virtually anything in the country right now

818
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:01,440
and can play with it. There's a reason, you know why,

819
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,920
there's what six seven teams rank in the top twenty

820
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,639
five and everyone I think still everyone but Utah. I

821
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,440
think the last I checked is in the top one

822
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:11,079
hundred of the net. And so it's such a monster

823
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,800
and that's why it's so grueling, you know, gaming and

824
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,519
game outs. You know, one of the coaches said the

825
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,280
other day to me that, you know, we wouldn't have

826
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,559
faced this kind of schedule in the whole Pac twelve now,

827
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,880
you wouldn't have because what this thing is now is

828
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,480
really special from a basketball standpoint, but it makes it

829
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,239
tough on everybody. And if you're having a year where

830
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,840
maybe you're a little bit young, or you suffer some injuries,

831
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,440
or guys don't pan out, you bet you better get

832
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,760
ready because you're gonna take you lumps.

833
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: I can't wait to get your opinion after this particular game,

834
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,320
after watching aj to Bonds up close and personal.

835
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,519
Speaker 1: You've seen Darren Peterson recently.

836
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 4: He played I think one of the few games thirty

837
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,840
two minutes, sixteen points. I think he was six and

838
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,440
fifteen versus the Buffs three or five from the three

839
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,639
point line and one for two from the charity stripe.

840
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,079
Speaker 1: Six rebounds. He had two turnovers in that game.

841
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: I can't wait to get your opinion on who you

842
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,599
take number one overall the NBA draft.

843
00:41:02,679 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: Mark.

844
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,519
Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. My partner and Scott Wilke, who

845
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:08,639
was a great player for the Buffalo's back in the eighties,

846
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,599
went on and played professionally, sniffed around the NBA for

847
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,360
a while, was over in Europe for out of the

848
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,559
fourteen to fifteen years. And this is just a basketball

849
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,679
junkie we got being that we had time to talk

850
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,559
about such things. In the second half of that ball

851
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,239
game last night. We got into those kinds of conversations

852
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,960
because there are some great freshmen in this league, and

853
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,199
we kind of went back and forth. And you know

854
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,519
Peterson recently here with his decision not to play against Arizona,

855
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,079
He's had a ballgame earlier. We had been playing the

856
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,039
second half, and you're like, okay, you're talented, make no

857
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,039
mistake about that one we saw him. I was wildly

858
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:42,480
impressed with what he is as a player. But that

859
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,920
bothers you. I've been impressed with the Bonston and kind

860
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,880
of his commitments and the way he plays. I think

861
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,559
I would take him. That would be my pick there,

862
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,199
and I'd shild away a little bit way from Peterson

863
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,880
simply because of kind of the external things that are

864
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,039
going on around him that body a little bit. And

865
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,360
then again, we're going to deal more and more with

866
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,719
that in college athletics when we got a professional feel

867
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,559
and a professional approach and professional money. So that's going

868
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:09,000
to become part of what we're dealing with. But at

869
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:11,360
this level, you want to see guys that are hungry

870
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,440
and they're competing and they've got a little nasty to

871
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,239
them and uh and so you don't see that from

872
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,039
every one of the guys. And that's why I'm looking

873
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,599
forward to seeing demonsty in in you know, in person

874
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,639
this weekend, because I've seen enough highlights and I've watched

875
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:26,519
some of the games and got a good look at

876
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:28,599
having a great appreciation for what he is. But you know,

877
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,559
you never truly get that feel until you're sitting right

878
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,039
in front of him and kind of see him perform.

879
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: I get the feeling mark that you're you're an anti

880
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,760
load management guy, right.

881
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a dirty word. Well,

882
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,519
I'll tell you a great explanation here. You know, Marshall

883
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:47,239
Funk was onnother football staff here at Colorado last year. Yeah,

884
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,920
and I was doing an event with Marshall and we

885
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,800
were talking about this every thing, and I said, he said,

886
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
give me your opinions, and he said, what we've done,

887
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,119
and he used, you know, on that staff you have

888
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:58,000
Deon Sanders obviously, and Warren staff And he says, well,

889
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,360
Diana and Warren, when I were coming out, college was

890
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,519
our next step to get to the goal, and we

891
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,639
knew that we had to fight and work hard and

892
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,079
bleed and all that kind of stuff and sweat to

893
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:13,960
get there because then we'd get the reward. He says.

894
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,159
What we've done now, we've given the eighteen nineteen year

895
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:19,480
old the reward, and it's taken the motivation way. And

896
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,519
he said it from his standpoint, He says, I see

897
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,559
it in the eyes of the players that I'm coaching.

898
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,679
Some of them are hardworking kids, but there's not that

899
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,800
incredible hunger of this is how I get out. He said,

900
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,880
that's gone. I had it, Prime added Warrant added other great,

901
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,719
the players had it, and then you get that reward

902
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,599
once you get to the National Football League of the NBA.

903
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,519
And he says, we've taken that away from these guys.

904
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,239
And he said, I wonder long term how that's going

905
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,119
to affect our game. And I think it was an

906
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:47,679
interesting thought by him.

907
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you teach competitive nature? How do you

908
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,159
teach a sense of urgency? How do you teach like

909
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,480
that hunger of like, you know, I don't want to

910
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,719
say fear, but you know, there is a bit of

911
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,679
a fear of like, oh my gosh, I could lose

912
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,599
this at any moment I got I gotta show up,

913
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,800
I gotta compete. It's a fight or flight type of deal.

914
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,920
How do you teach that.

915
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: There is no doubt? You know, I once heard somebody

916
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,239
say that rock Bottom has created more success than privilege

917
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,960
ever has. And when you get a guy and you're

918
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,639
backed up against the wall, and you know that's your

919
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,599
only way out, you were going to do everything to

920
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,199
get there, And you know, very few guys are naturally

921
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,159
have that killer instinct. You know, when you get great

922
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,639
talents and great work ethic and great killer instinct, you

923
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,880
put it together, you get Michael Jordan, right, you get special.

924
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,159
You get Kobe Bryant. Those guys are unique. How many

925
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,519
times do we see in pro sports a guy that

926
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,280
you know, he's fighting along in his career and then

927
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,719
he hits the big contract and all of a sudden,

928
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,159
you see the level of intensity kind of kind of

929
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:55,639
tail off a little bit. I mean, that's human nature.

930
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,000
We all got to fight that. Some guys are better

931
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,000
at it than others. And I don't know how you

932
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:03,320
teach beyond that, you know, it seems to me in

933
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,599
my experience being an old guy. You know, I think

934
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,480
I think it's innate or it's not. It's either in

935
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,239
there or it's not. I don't know that you can

936
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,800
teach killer instinct, you know. And you think of the

937
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,840
greatest athletes we've ever seen, and go on down the

938
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,480
line with Bird and Jordan and Gretzky and Tiger Woods

939
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,559
and you know, pick all the great ones out. They

940
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:22,679
all had that I think of eightly, And I'm not

941
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,519
sure if you can teach it, but I do think

942
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:28,480
you can dampen it early on by getting too much

943
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:31,960
comfort and you know, kind of making things easy on guys.

944
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,760
And I do wonder if that's gonna affect our game.

945
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Love that perspective.

946
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,159
Speaker 4: Mark Johnson, the Voice of the Colorado Buffalo, is one

947
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,760
last thing before I let you go, Mark, because I

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know this is you're in lockstep with me on this one.

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Speaker 1: Arm and arm.

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Speaker 4: I have found it refreshing. Okay, Well, let me take

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a step back. Over the last like ten to fifteen,

952
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maybe even twenty years, I've seen like kind of a God,

953
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Deity and Christ take a back seat in the postgame interview, right,

954
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you know, praising God, and like it's had a resurgence

955
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over the last two to three years collegiately and professionally,

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and I'm loving it.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many testimonies time and time again postgame

959
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and and look, these athletes are not perfect. They fall

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short in many ways personally, spiritually, morally, ethically, all those things.

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Speaker 1: But like, I just love the fact that they're.

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Speaker 4: They're putting their faith on their on their sleeve and

963
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promoting faith in an era that has kind of ridiculed.

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Speaker 1: It a bit.

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Speaker 5: Well, we live in a world that is very hostile,

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and we understand that from scripture, don't we. And for

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your listeners that don't know what I was going to

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be there, a sportscaster, a pastor, and I am actually

969
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a pastor, a pastor a lot and preach a lot

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and do a lot of that kind of stuff. And

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so that's something that's near and dear to my heart.

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And you know, in a role like mine, who a

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guy that works for the institution not gonna be very

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careful when I approach these athletes, sure about that, right.

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I can't go up and start those conversations, but I

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can respond to the conversations. And so over the course

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of time, a lot of young men have come up

978
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and started those conversations with me. Then I'm allowed to.

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And so having those conversations, I love the fact. And

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a lot of times with these young guys, it's it

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might be immature, right, they're not fully understanding where it

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comes from and what it's all about and how it works.

983
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But there's an interest, there's an intrigue, and they're looking

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for comfort in some respects, they're looking for dealing with

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the stress. And I understand that, and I think it's

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important then for those that are in those positions then

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to encourage those young men to understand what it's all about. Right.

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And I'll tell you a great story one time, what

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young man that I was kind of talking to in

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a regular basis. I walked to the locker room. He's

991
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got a shirt off, and we've all seen this with Asley.

992
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Try think got the tattoo. Only God can judge me,

993
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And it was kind of funny. And I walk up

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to it and I said, a nice tattoo. And he

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goes great, and I said, what does that mean to you?

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And he so he tells me. And then I said

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to him, I said, you're right and he will according

998
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to scripture, and that should terrify you, right, which is

999
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why you need a savior. And so it prompted a

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great conversation with him about what that means. And I

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love the fact we're seeing it. Listen any time the

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Gospels preach, man, I'm all for it. And you're seeing

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that more and more and more. And then I think

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supportant for all of us older guys to kind of

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help them along and kind of take that walk down

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their faith. And so you're never gonna hear me poo

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poo that kind of idea.

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Speaker 1: Love it, Mark.

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Speaker 4: I knew you'd be in lockstep with me on that

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one big Ugarota you man, enjoy the call here in

1011
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the marriage center and enjoy provo. If you get out

1012
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and about, get up to Sundance. Get up to Sundance.

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00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,679
The Foundry is the best place for anything. The Cowboy

1014
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,280
Bar is pretty cool too. Some live music if you

1015
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,239
can catch it. I know you guys are gonna be

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calling the game, but if you're gonna stay a little

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bit longer after the game, or we have some time

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prior on Friday night, feel free to do that. We

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salute you, we appreciate you, Mark, and we'll see you

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in provo here shortly.

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Speaker 5: I look forward to it.

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Speaker 4: Take care, diego, Mark Johnson, the voice of the calling

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out of Buffalo's. That was an the faux segment. It

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was a great one. Fantastic interview. I love Chatt and

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Ball with Mark Jarnson.

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