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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Knight is a rare specimen. She is a female psychopath,

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<v Speaker 1>and men are three to five times more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>become psychopaths and women. In Part one, we covered her

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<v Speaker 1>early life and her upbringing all the way up to

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<v Speaker 1>her marriage now here. In Part two, we will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to unravel her life and her horrific crime.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and.

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<v Speaker 1>Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast jeans and material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. So do I need to recap

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<v Speaker 1>you a bit? Yeah, like thirty seconds ago and the

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<v Speaker 1>goals like, wait, what are we doing again?

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<v Speaker 2>Go for it? At nice? Actually it was a gooder.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're all like, what case we're doing? You

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<v Speaker 1>can't even remember last week?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like last week was more than a

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<v Speaker 2>week ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Well a lot had happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just seems like last week was busy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that was like a month ago. So

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<v Speaker 2>I need a recap. And some people now are just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be listening to part one and jumping right into

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<v Speaker 2>part two.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll do it so they're fresh at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Little middle recap.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so little recap on this, We're gonna jump right

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<v Speaker 1>into a recap here. Catherine Knight was brought up in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a not a very good kind of atmosphere. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a violent household and yeah, not so good. Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>she would get married to an individual whose name is

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<v Speaker 1>David Stanford Kellen, and their relationship is quite rocky, rather aggressive.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, there was one incident on their honeymoon where

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<v Speaker 1>David's life was in danger because he woke up to

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<v Speaker 1>his now bride right strangling him because they did not

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<v Speaker 1>have sex five times.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it was only three. Shit, this is ringing a bell. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna all just come back to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So now the most recent incident is that David

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<v Speaker 1>had actually left her, right, had gone away with another woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I was going to say another woman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep. And now Catherine has kind of lost her shit,

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<v Speaker 1>dropped her kid off in a railway track, was swinging

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<v Speaker 1>an axe downtown. Thankfully, the kid was saved and she

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<v Speaker 1>was put into an institution, but then subsequently released very

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<v Speaker 1>soon after, got her kid back, and is now holding

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<v Speaker 1>her neighbors at knife point to go track down David's mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, and has said kid though right are we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't or we left as we weren't sure or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't Actually I did a little bit of searching

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<v Speaker 1>on that I couldn't find if she got the kid

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<v Speaker 1>back here, I don't. I don't know just yet, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because yeah, some more stuff happens, and she'll end up

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<v Speaker 1>in an institution again, and then okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we'll just let Yeah, we'll just let you. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But that is the quick elevator pitch of episode one.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't listened to, it makes she go do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of her upbringing and a lot of her

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know her atmosphere, that sort of stuff her

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<v Speaker 1>what's the word I'm looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Vibe?

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely not vibe. That's not what I'm thinking. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like our surroundings, her surroundings, I think definitely planned to

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<v Speaker 1>who she is today and is going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>important integral piece for part two. When we actually listened

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<v Speaker 1>to her later.

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<v Speaker 2>Actions, Okay, how exciting. Yeah, shoot, what was I gonna say?

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<v Speaker 2>It was there and then it just wasn't. Holy heck,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But anyway, one thing I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about. I had something else to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's long gone. We had our true crime trivia night,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a hit and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was fantastic, so although rather quickly people

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. Although holy shit, people know their true crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we thought that the questions were like fairly difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>I even at one point was like, oh, I think

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<v Speaker 2>we should throw in some easier ones. But they were

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<v Speaker 2>easy apparently, like there wasn't any that any that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was stumped on.

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<v Speaker 1>No, most I think I think most people got like

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<v Speaker 1>at least like eighty percent of the questions. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was absurd. I was kind of going for like intermediate

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<v Speaker 1>questions where I'm like, okay, some I'll stump people. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like I think there was people who knew every

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<v Speaker 1>single freaking question. It was just like ridiculous. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>hats off to everyone who was there. That was an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible time. We're gonna be doing it again.

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<v Speaker 2>They blew us away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I actually I thought of a fantastic question

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<v Speaker 1>this morning when I, uh, like first thing when I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up too, I was like, holy shit, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why this popped into my head, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>a really good one.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, you're gonna have to share because yeah, after

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<v Speaker 2>that night, Ben, Like, my goal is next trivia night. O.

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<v Speaker 2>There's gonna be one question that no one is going

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<v Speaker 2>to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I don't want it to just be like

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<v Speaker 1>so obscure that no one gets.

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<v Speaker 2>I want it to be like so hard, like you

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<v Speaker 2>really have to all your shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yes and no. I want it to be like

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<v Speaker 1>hard that people aren't going to get it, but not

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<v Speaker 1>so hard that it's like, oh, come on, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna know that. I want it to be a reasonable

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<v Speaker 1>question that stumps everyone. That's what I want.

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<v Speaker 2>That it's a question that they know the answer but

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<v Speaker 2>they can't. They can't. They they're just there, but they

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<v Speaker 2>can't grab it something they should know. Yeah, yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy oh, what was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh. I actually find it fascinating that men are more

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<v Speaker 2>likely to be a psychopath and I kind of want

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<v Speaker 2>to know why, Like that's something I almost want to

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<v Speaker 2>dig in a little bit because that's intriguing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do have a theory on this, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a theory kind of because men generally are more aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>in nature. Yeah, right, Yeah, more rapists, killer, psychopaths. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just higher up all around. I think our dogs are

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<v Speaker 1>howking hor there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, they're playing. They have constantly been playing all

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<v Speaker 2>day today on their beds. It's quite interesting to watch this.

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<v Speaker 1>They just have a grand old time over there. My

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<v Speaker 1>theory is I think it boils down to testosterone. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm not a biologist or anything. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>my shit. I just did a quick Google search one

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<v Speaker 1>day and was like, huh, I found this interesting. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I'm aware, testosterone levels increase during menstruation

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<v Speaker 1>aka PMS pre menstrual syndrome. That's when the female natural

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<v Speaker 1>body testosterone is at its highest, which makes you guys

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<v Speaker 1>kind of act a little bit, you know, orinery cranky

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes whatever. There's many different symptoms. Yeah, yeah, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's testosterone that's naturally in men's system.

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<v Speaker 2>That just push more of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I think it's that chemical in the male

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<v Speaker 1>genome that pushes them to be more like psychopaths, killers, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because if you put that same chemical in females, you

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<v Speaker 1>sort of see the same kind of spike in Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it is interesting. I'll just say this really quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that lots of times I feel like men think

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<v Speaker 2>women are the ones that don't have their shit together

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<v Speaker 2>or a little nutt o a little nut. Oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to word this nicely.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was trying to do the same. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, there's there's the stats there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Women, women just you know, we have our shit together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right there.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I say, I just think it comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to testosterone affecting the brain. That's what I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it might be it would be interesting to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to like a psychologist or something about this. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>we have some lovely patrons to thing, do we not?

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<v Speaker 1>We do. We have Haley Davis and Demig who both

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<v Speaker 1>signed up this previous week, and they if they didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're not local, they didn't get to see the

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<v Speaker 1>Trivia night live. The whole live stream is up on

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<v Speaker 1>our patreons, so they can go check it out in

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<v Speaker 1>whenever they want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we did our best with that. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit hard because like we had audience kind of there

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<v Speaker 2>right and then also this camera. But I have I

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<v Speaker 2>have more ideas to make it more a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more interactive next time, King, But it was still really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I hopefully they still felt like they were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a part of the event.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do too, but like it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like unfortunately for the trivia thing, it's like that's the primary.

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<v Speaker 1>So like going live stream, that's going to be a secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to make sure we actually host the

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<v Speaker 1>trivia first and foremost.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was our first one, so it was

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<v Speaker 2>it was a learning thing. It was really cool though,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're excited to do more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyways, should we get onto this because I think

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<v Speaker 1>we've kind of yabbered a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So when we left off, like I said, Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>had her previous life, her marriage thing, and she currently

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<v Speaker 1>is holding her neighbor's hostage by knife point and demanding

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<v Speaker 1>that they drive her to David, her husband's mom's house,

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<v Speaker 1>because she knows if she's going to get back at

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<v Speaker 1>him for leaving her, the best way to do that

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<v Speaker 1>is go after his mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's next level, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Next level? What'd you say, nuto Ndle?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that his hand?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how you said it? So? Yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what she was doing. She was she was pulling the

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<v Speaker 1>next level nutt and going after David's mom. Wow yea.

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<v Speaker 1>So she managed to actually trick them by telling them

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<v Speaker 1>that her daughter was sick and needed a ride to

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital. So they came over to pick them up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that's when the Knight Point thing happened, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the family was forced to take her to the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital or sorry, I mean David's mom in order to

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<v Speaker 1>save themselves. So Catherine entered their vehicle and they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up pulling out of the driveway with her brandishing a knife. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the family somehow miraculously managed to convince Catherine to let

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<v Speaker 1>them stop at a service station, where a woman from

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<v Speaker 1>the family managed to escape and called for help. Quickly

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<v Speaker 1>the police arrived and they were able to apprehend and

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<v Speaker 1>disarm Catherine to police with the help the service station manager,

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<v Speaker 1>and just like before, she was admitted into psychiatric care.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually pretty impressive that they were able to get

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<v Speaker 2>themselves out of that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is kind of where I couldn't find if

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<v Speaker 1>she did still have her child at this point, because

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<v Speaker 1>she was taken into care, and now it's taken into

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I imagine there's well, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like this case I think is like right now,

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<v Speaker 1>So Catherine, though like reported reportedly confessed to the nurse

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<v Speaker 1>according to her, he had recently done repairs on David's car,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's why. So she claims she let the family

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's getting a little bit unreasonable there, Ye, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that her mind's really going a mile a minute?

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<v Speaker 1>Last episode, she left her infant on railway tracks, and

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<v Speaker 1>this you think she's getting unreasonable?

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit, just a little I mean to have

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<v Speaker 2>your husband or whatever escape. That's wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So additionally, she did also plan to murder both

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<v Speaker 1>she got there with this family. So when David eventually

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<v Speaker 2>Run for the fucking hills?

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<v Speaker 1>He ran back to her?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he decided he would go back to his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>And I to protect his mom. Maybe no, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think he had any idea that she was after

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<v Speaker 1>her confessing that she was going to murder them came

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<v Speaker 1>out many years later. So what he did, and mad

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<v Speaker 1>respect to him for this in all honesty, he went

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<v Speaker 1>back to go take care of his wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, like he realized that she needed help.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically really yeah, so he left his new girlfriend and

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<v Speaker 1>relocated back to Aberdeen with his mother as well to

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I also imagine he was thinking about his child too, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Most likely, But yeah, he's like, I gotta go back,

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<v Speaker 1>she needs help.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So whether that's the right call or not. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna argue on but holy shit, mad respect for someone

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up the boots and take on that burden.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean he was very much so right. She

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. So it was on August ninth, nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our current date, when David made his way to

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<v Speaker 1>the institution that was caring for Catherine and she was

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<v Speaker 1>released into his care along with his mother, and they

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<v Speaker 1>also picked up their daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, okay, so the daughter's back now.

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<v Speaker 1>The daughter is back in their care for sure. So

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<v Speaker 1>the two were making another attempt at the relationship. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a fresh start, and at first that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. But as time went on, the same problems

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<v Speaker 1>began to arise. David was always walking on eggshells, truly

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that if he said the wrong thing at the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong time, he or someone else around would be killed.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine living that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it's one thing, kind of like walking

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<v Speaker 2>on eggshells if like you're spouse is having a bad

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<v Speaker 2>day or cranky or whatever, but like to be walking

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<v Speaker 2>on eggshells because you're worried someone's gonna die, or that

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna you're gonna kill somebody. Oh yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>almost hard to even like put yourself in those shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, And I got a little example here of

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<v Speaker 1>how that played out. Just one second out. One more

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<v Speaker 1>little point I want to make first. So one point

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<v Speaker 1>first was Catherine was actually caught having an affair. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point, she successfully begged David for another chance, even

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<v Speaker 1>though a lot of her like shit in her own

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<v Speaker 1>head was she was fearful of him cheating on her. Hmmm, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's odd. But this one that's not unclear exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where this falls in the timeline, but a friend of

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<v Speaker 1>David and Catherine recalls a night where she witnessed Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>holding their child under a tap of running hot water

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<v Speaker 1>as the child was screaming and crying. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>where David specifically shows that he's walking on eggshells because

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<v Speaker 1>the friend reportedly told David about this, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>don't say anything to her. Do not say a word

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<v Speaker 1>to her, otherwise you will die and she might kill

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<v Speaker 1>me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, let me deal with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but like your kid is like in some

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<v Speaker 2>super danger here. Yeah, yikes. I mean, yeah, he's really

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<v Speaker 2>in a tough spot. But this is something has to

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<v Speaker 2>happen here.

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<v Speaker 1>So it would be in nineteen eighty when they would

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<v Speaker 1>welcome their second child. Oh the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit, that's not exactly where I was going with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>something needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I don't think I would be vouching for

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<v Speaker 1>them to have another child exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So the baby was little Natasha Marie Kellett, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would be only four years later that Catherine would end

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<v Speaker 1>up leaving David.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay, four years later that she left David.

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<v Speaker 1>She left David.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, hopefully the kids remained with David.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, not necessarily, but David was working as a truck

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<v Speaker 1>driver and Catherine suspected him of sleeping with other women

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<v Speaker 1>while he was on the road. So one night, when

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<v Speaker 1>David came home, he found the house empty. She took

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<v Speaker 1>everything and moved back to Aberdeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, everything, including the kiddos.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet you Now. In nineteen eighty six, Catherine would

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<v Speaker 1>find herself entering another relationship. She met a man by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of David Saunders, who was a thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>year old minder. So because David and David, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to this guy as Saunders by his.

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<v Speaker 2>Last name, okay, yeah, because I was like, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be confusing at.

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<v Speaker 1>All, Yeah, not at all. So soon they began living

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<v Speaker 1>their life together with her two daughters, and Saunders knew puppy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, a puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>A puppy, the.

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<v Speaker 2>First puppy's poor puppy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, poor puppy for sure. The first couple months were great,

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<v Speaker 1>but just like Catherine's previous relationship, things would go downhill

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<v Speaker 1>rather quickly, especially when she had reason to suspect of cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>One occasion, when Sunders returned home late, Catherine was ironing

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<v Speaker 1>and attacked him by swinging the hot iron at him

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<v Speaker 1>and striking him across the face with Oh good god.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently the burn marks and like the holes that are

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<v Speaker 1>in the iron from like little steam holes were visible

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<v Speaker 1>on his visible on his face for like many weeks after.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and I would imagine that would leave some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a scar.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, potentially because that would hurt. Yeah, So she's like

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<v Speaker 1>literally striking him with a scalding hot iron. Ouch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I just oh, it's hard to put

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<v Speaker 2>yourself in that situation, because that's terrifying. I couldn't imagine

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<v Speaker 2>coming home and you doing something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, what about this, because that was only the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>In a very distressing incident in May of nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>she callously took a knife to his two month old

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<v Speaker 1>puppy and cut its throat as he helplessly watched.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Yes, wow, Oh my gosh, this frickin' lady, I

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<v Speaker 2>have some choice words that I'm just biting my tongue

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>A two month old puppy.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, she is peer evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Another friend later on would talk about she would often

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<v Speaker 1>swerve to try and hit dogs that were running across

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<v Speaker 1>the road, and when questioned about it, she's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't like dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Who the fuck is like dogs?

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently this bitch? Wow, she just saying. Oh, And this

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<v Speaker 1>incident was merely a warning for the consequences if he

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<v Speaker 1>did ever cheat or leave her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And for one reason or another, Saunders actually did

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<v Speaker 1>stay with her after this event. He did attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to leave, but Catherine always managed to core her

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<v Speaker 1>some to stay, whether it was begging or threats. Huh,

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<v Speaker 1>So I can understand like there are toxic relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>people like can't leave for various reasons. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>totally get that. Yeah, but yeah, the dog thing that

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<v Speaker 1>that got to me when I was researching, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it would probably get to you and many other

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<v Speaker 1>people who are listening to this right now, So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you didn't know, we're big dog fans around here.

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<v Speaker 1>We are. In June of nineteen eighty eight, two would

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<v Speaker 1>conceive and welcome a daughter into the world, Sarah Saunders.

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<v Speaker 1>Though they were far from a happy home. Eventually Saunders

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<v Speaker 1>managed to leave Catherine and he understandably went into hiding

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<v Speaker 1>in another town, so Catherine was unable to find him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and of course Catherine I can't talk today. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course Katherine there we go, was enraged, but there wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>much she could do about it because she had absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>no idea of his whereabouts. So that kind of sucked

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<v Speaker 1>on her end. But fantastic for Saunders getting out of

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship, Like, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that didn't seem like it was the healthiest

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<v Speaker 2>of relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one way to describe it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good that's a nice way to describe.

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<v Speaker 1>It very very nice way. I nineteen ninety one, Catherine

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<v Speaker 1>would become pregnant with her fourth child with a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of John Chillingworth, a former coworker from

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<v Speaker 1>the Slaughterhouse, and in nineteen ninety two she gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to their son, Eric Chillingworth. Okay, now, despite their new son, though,

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship was like all others we mentioned so far,

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<v Speaker 1>violent and it wouldn't actually last too long. She would

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<v Speaker 1>leave John after after three years.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the beginning of her relationships, like she she must,

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<v Speaker 2>she hides how she really is. Then, eh, you're like

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<v Speaker 2>of time being. Well, I think it's the people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's kind of like a honeymoon period, right once,

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<v Speaker 1>like the hunt, like the oh my God, like lovey dovey,

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<v Speaker 1>lovey dove Once it's like, Okay, well, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like he's coming home a little later from work

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<v Speaker 1>because instead of like rushing home to see me and

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<v Speaker 1>have dinner with me and romance me, he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with the guys tonight. Yeah, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh what about me?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense because yeah, maybe the first few months,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're almost like you're unseparable, right, yeah, inseparable.

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<v Speaker 1>I think both could actually apply technically.

429
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<v Speaker 2>And then yeah, I guess his life moves on like

430
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you kind of. You go back to a little bit

431
00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 2>of your day to day.

432
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Ye. So okay, And there is some speculation out there,

433
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to say facts on it because

434
00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's just people talking. But there are some articles I

435
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.400
<v Speaker 1>read where she was apparently really good in bed, so

436
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:22.240
<v Speaker 1>that was part of that.

437
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that allure. That makes a lot of sense actually, yeah,

438
00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>huh wow. Okay.

439
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:37.160
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, she would leave John Chillington for John Price.

440
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Geez, why the fuck do all these people have the

441
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:40.519
<v Speaker 2>same name?

442
00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, well John sorry, Chillingworth, not chilling ten.

443
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:49.000
<v Speaker 1>John Chillingworth was a very minor blip in this story.

444
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>So the main John we are talking about here is

445
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:52.640
<v Speaker 1>John Price.

446
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:53.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

447
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So John Price was born on the fourth of April

448
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.480
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifty five and had three kids of his

449
00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:01.759
<v Speaker 1>own when he began seeing Though his two year old

450
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>daughter stayed with his former wife, he did have custody

451
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:07.640
<v Speaker 1>of his two older children, so he was described as

452
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 1>a well liked individual, and in nineteen ninety five, Catherine

453
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.519
<v Speaker 1>would move in with John into his home, though it

454
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:16.559
<v Speaker 1>wasn't really a permanent situation. She still had kind of

455
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:18.759
<v Speaker 1>her own place. She just kind of treated his place

456
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:21.359
<v Speaker 1>like hers as well, So a lot of her stuff

457
00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>was there and kind of thing, you know.

458
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Like more than just the toothbrush.

459
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. So unfortunately for John Price, all those years

460
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 1>of violent behaviors building up would come to a brutal

461
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>climactic moment, if you will, at his expense.

462
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, here, I was thinking that she might hurt

463
00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:46.200
<v Speaker 2>his kids or something because what she did to that

464
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:50.200
<v Speaker 2>one guy's poppy gosh, or maybe she does. Okay, let's

465
00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>hear well.

466
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:58.799
<v Speaker 1>John was fully aware of Catherine's violent reputation. As I mentioned,

467
00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:01.359
<v Speaker 1>it potentially could have that he was still in the

468
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.920
<v Speaker 1>relationship for sexual reasons. He actually does confirm that a

469
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.680
<v Speaker 1>little bit later on here, but I'll get to that

470
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.559
<v Speaker 1>at the beginning a part from the accasual violent argument.

471
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Life seemed quite pleasant and his children took a liking

472
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>to her. Actually, so Price was earning good money working

473
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:21.440
<v Speaker 1>at the local minds, and overall things seemed positive. However,

474
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety eight, Catherine and John began to clash

475
00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>over his refusal to marry her. It was after eighteen

476
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.160
<v Speaker 1>months that they began seeing each other that Catherine was

477
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:32.640
<v Speaker 1>pushing for marriage.

478
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, that's actually not very much time, really, it's not.

479
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>However, John made it clear that he was only in

480
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>it for the sex and the relationship and didn't want marriage.

481
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Like, is that what he actually said to her?

482
00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find an exact quote on what he said,

483
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>but I found articles talking about that.

484
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>That's probably something he kind of said hearsay, like after,

485
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming not to her face.

486
00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:00.319
<v Speaker 1>No, I think it was more so like yeah, no,

487
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm just like it's just a relationship for me, like

488
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the sex, the relationship, the fun. I think that's kind

489
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.119
<v Speaker 1>of what he was was after.

490
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well yeah, like he already had kids, been there,

491
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>done that. Maybe yeah, he has divorced, so yeah, yeah, okay.

492
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.039
<v Speaker 1>And I mean to any regular person this sort of

493
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>like conversation, they may take that as a sign that's like,

494
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:21.799
<v Speaker 1>you know what, Okay, we got to go different ways.

495
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.319
<v Speaker 1>This relationship clearly isn't gonna work. We want different things.

496
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe even it's a sign that okay, we got

497
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to work on some things together to get on track together.

498
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe find a middle ground somehow or something, you know,

499
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe like a forever engagement ring, no paper signed, no nothing,

500
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.000
<v Speaker 1>but at least like give me some sort of commitment,

501
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>commitment physical, you know, sign of a commitment. Yeah, something

502
00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 1>like some middle ground, let's talk about it, you know.

503
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

504
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>But for Catherine, it was of course much more so

505
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.880
<v Speaker 1>as Catherine had done in the past, you know, continuing

506
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>with her douche canoe ways. She wanted to get revenge

507
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>and turned to try and hurt some one close to John,

508
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's just what she does, yep, you know, trying

509
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to go after the mom, successfully going after the puppy.

510
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Shit, I think one of the kids is in danger here.

511
00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, it wasn't physical harm that she attempted, but it

512
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 1>was still traumatizing. So she would sit down with one

513
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 1>of John's fourteen year old daughters and she began to

514
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>tell her that John wasn't her real dad.

515
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, just making up some shit, yep.

516
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.640
<v Speaker 1>She just like started fucking spewing lies, bullshit. She's like, oh, yeah,

517
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>he's not your dad. He's like, yeah, your mom was

518
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 1>sleeping around a bunch and some other dude out there's

519
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>your dad. John's just some guy she cheated on him.

520
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Whoa could you imagine at fourteen? Yeah, you would just

521
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 2>be like hysterical. Yeah, okay, so.

522
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.400
<v Speaker 1>She tried, she pulled that, which is not fucking cool.

523
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.359
<v Speaker 2>No, but I did kind of expect that she was

524
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 2>going to like kill one of them, not gonna lie.

525
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Luckily enough, she did no go after the kid in

526
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>this instance, which is fantastic. So again, that sort of

527
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>trauma not cool. So she continued to bother John about

528
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the whole marriage thing, and he held his ground, but

529
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>it was becoming enough for him. He wanted her out

530
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>of his house.

531
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Enough enough, Hey, enough's enough.

532
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but she refused. Now, while in John's house, Catherine

533
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>eventually found John's will and realized that he didn't have

534
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:33.440
<v Speaker 1>her on it at all.

535
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:37.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well have they like they've literally hardly been together

536
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>here at this point.

537
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>You can round it up and you can say two

538
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.759
<v Speaker 1>years just to be gracious, huh.

539
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she just oh, man, he's probably regretting some shit here.

540
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, she's looking at the will and it's all like, oh,

541
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you're leaving it to your ex wife and like your

542
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>kids and stuff like That's I'm not in your fucking

543
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 1>will and she thought this was absolute bullshit.

544
00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Yeah.

545
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you did to get them back this time?

546
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:01.799
<v Speaker 2>What?

547
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, she didn't go after the kids this time, she

548
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 1>did go after him personally, okay. In retaliation, she secretly

549
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>recorded John handling items items that she alleged were stolen

550
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.759
<v Speaker 1>from his workplace, and then she proceeded to take that

551
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 1>recording and send the video to his boss at work. Really, yes,

552
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 1>so the items in question were outdated medical kits in

553
00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>first aid supplies that John had salvaged from the company's garbage. However,

554
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 1>this was enough for the company to see the theft,

555
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and they terminated his employment after seventeen years with the company.

556
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I don't even quite understand how that would like

557
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>even benefit her, Like she is like literally this Like I.

558
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Don't she's a bitch, well shit, straight.

559
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Up crazy, But I don't know that's like maybe not

560
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the she's a crazy bitch she is though, like just

561
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:59.599
<v Speaker 2>like the way her her her mind's like thinking about

562
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>all these thing she can do to just like ruin

563
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>other people's lives and people that she's supposed to like

564
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 2>care and love and stuff.

565
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Is well, and remember we we are dealing with a psychopath. Yeah,

566
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.519
<v Speaker 1>that is what she is.

567
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, holy I okay, that's and that's also kind of

568
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>sad if they were expired first aid stuff that he'd

569
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like literally just took from the garbage that he was

570
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 2>planning to use, which is better than them not being

571
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>in the landfill. Yeah, and his work is.

572
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 1>Just like no yeap terminated.

573
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, brutal.

574
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, at least look at it from this from

575
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the workplace standpoint. Though I don't agree with him, I'm

576
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>just Devil's advocate here. At the very least, you have

577
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>what's now being spread around work I'm sure as video

578
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>evidence of someone's stealing.

579
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.519
<v Speaker 2>From the company and then they don't do anything.

580
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>And then they don't do anything. What's that going to promote?

581
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You almost have to wonder though, if that was

582
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>her way of trying to control him, more so in

583
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 2>that he now doesn't have a job and maybe like

584
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>needs to rely on her her and he's home more

585
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.039
<v Speaker 2>well something.

586
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't go into this too much, but she

587
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 1>worked at the Slaughterhouse for a little while, but then

588
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>she ended up injuring her back somehow and was on disability,

589
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>so she didn't have a whole lot of income. Either.

590
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so sorry.

591
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Mosquitos one got in the house. I got him, I

592
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>got him. It's good.

593
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're kind of bad today.

594
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so yeah. She didn't really have much of an

595
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.359
<v Speaker 1>income either, so.

596
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, so I just don't quite like to see

597
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>how that's going to benefit her in any way either revenge, well,

598
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but now, like they're going to be struggling

599
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>for money and stuff.

600
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she cares. The biggest thing with her

601
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>is she likes to see others suffer. Yeah, whether it's emotional, physical,

602
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>she likes to see suffering. She likes to be the

603
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 1>center of it. And she it's all about her. It

604
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter anyone else. And if you wrong her, she's

605
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>going to see you suffer so she can feel better.

606
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Geez it true makes me talking, so it must just

607
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>makes me feel ill, like I want to barf.

608
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, fair enough, I can. Yeah, sympathize. That's what

609
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I was looking for. I can sympathize with that. Yeah. Well, anyways,

610
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 1>John was absolutely fed up with Catherine, so he made

611
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the decision to finally kick her out of his house

612
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>once and for all. Now. It was February twenty ninth

613
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 1>that he visited the Scone Magistrate Courthouse on his way

614
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 1>to work and obtained a restraining order in an attempt

615
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>to protect himself and his children from Catherine. That afternoon,

616
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>while at his new job. At work, John spoke to

617
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 1>his coworkers about Catherine and was showing scars from physical

618
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 1>abuse that he'd been enduring throughout the relationship. Reportedly, some

619
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of the scars were from her, though I couldn't find

620
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 1>information on it. Stabbing him.

621
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

622
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.359
<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how deep or the extent or

623
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the tool or even the incident, because there's a lot

624
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 1>of these incidents within her relationships. It's hard to sift

625
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:01.079
<v Speaker 1>through them all.

626
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I could imagine the amount of like research

627
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:06.079
<v Speaker 2>you had to do for this. God.

628
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's over the course of entire lifetime, lifetime of

629
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 1>abuse not only on her and her childhood, but in

630
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>her adulthood, abusing others. So anyways, he was talking about it,

631
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and he showed the scars, and he also told his

632
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>co workers He's like, Hey, if I don't show up

633
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 1>for work tomorrow, it's because Catherine killed me.

634
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

635
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>Just warning people, just warning people, and I mean respectably.

636
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>His coworkers were pretty much begging him, like, don't fucking

637
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 1>go home then, like if you are thinking you're going

638
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>to be in danger like this, this woman is this

639
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>off the wall, don't fucking go home.

640
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's tough. Are they offering him somewhere to

641
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>stay and stuff? Because it's hard?

642
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.039
<v Speaker 1>That's hard, right, Well, I'm sure someone would have offered

643
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.079
<v Speaker 1>him somewhere to stay. I guarantee you he would be

644
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.000
<v Speaker 1>able to find a place easy enough.

645
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, you did say he was like well liked he.

646
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Was he was, And especially if someone's like I'm gonna

647
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 1>get fucking murdered tonight. I don't think I know anyone

648
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 1>who would say you cannot stay with me then like.

649
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then that's also kind of scary for them too.

650
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 2>And he could even be thinking, well, he doesn't want

651
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.719
<v Speaker 2>to put other people in danger.

652
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if they don't know, especially in this is

653
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.639
<v Speaker 1>now in the eighties, there's the most cell phones, there's

654
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 1>no internet, how are you going to fucking know that

655
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>he's at? Yeah, Jeffrey's house did four blocks away.

656
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.559
<v Speaker 2>I guess or.

657
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.199
<v Speaker 1>It would be. But John's major reasoning though, why he

658
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:43.440
<v Speaker 1>was insisting that he does need to go home. He

659
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>knew that there was a chance that she would harm

660
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>his kids if he didn't go back home. That was

661
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the big thing for him, right. So, after a shift

662
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>at work, he did as he always did, despite any

663
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.800
<v Speaker 1>danger that he thought he might be in, and he

664
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 1>returned home as per usual. Now, when he was home,

665
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>he discovered that Catherine had actually sent the children away

666
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 1>for a sleepover at a friend's place. Now, relieved that

667
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.760
<v Speaker 1>his kids were safe, he actually spent the evening had

668
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 1>his neighbor's place before returning home and going to bed

669
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 1>at eleven PM. This spot is a little bit gray

670
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 1>for me. I couldn't find if Catherine was there when

671
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>he got home or not, or there must have been

672
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 1>a note that she wrote or something saying that kids

673
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.719
<v Speaker 1>are away. Yeah, I'm assuming she wasn't there, the note

674
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>was there, That's my assumption. Okay, so bear that in mind.

675
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>He just on edge for the whole night, basically.

676
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Now, at six am the following day, a neighbor

677
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>had noticed that John's car was still in his driveway

678
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 1>when he usually has gone to work by Now, John's

679
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>employer also sent a worker to check on him, as

680
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 1>he didn't show up for his shift, and after repeatedly

681
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>calling him on his phone, there was no answer. Oh no,

682
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.360
<v Speaker 1>So both the neighbor and the worker together were trying

683
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 1>to get's attention. They were knocking on his bedroom window

684
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to get him to wake up, thinking that he

685
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 1>must be in there. And they went to the front

686
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>door to try and knock, and that's where they saw

687
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.559
<v Speaker 1>traces of blood on the front door, and they knew

688
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>something wasn't.

689
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, dang it.

690
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 1>So they quickly alerted police, who broke down the back

691
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 1>door of his home on eighty fourth Saint Andrew's Street

692
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 1>and discovered John's lifeless body.

693
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:29.559
<v Speaker 2>She got him, She got to him.

694
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>So Catherine was also in the.

695
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Home alive, Yes, alive, Okay.

696
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>She was found passed out in a comatose state from

697
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>consuming a large amount of pills. She was lying next

698
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to the remains, mutilated remains of John Price.

699
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Whoa So was she like trying to kill herself commit suicide?

700
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 2>Or that's a gray area.

701
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll we'll get onto that too.

702
00:36:58.920 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

703
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:03.400
<v Speaker 1>So Catherine had purchased the night before. Sorry, I'm a

704
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.960
<v Speaker 1>paragraph ahead of myself. So what had happened the night

705
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 1>of John's death is odd? Bizarre string of events and

706
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:20.079
<v Speaker 1>somewhat argumentative of showing premeditation. Okay, so the night before

707
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 1>she had purchased this lace black nightgown and headed over

708
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to see your kids at her place. She recorded them

709
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>in what kind of almost seems like a last will

710
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and testament kind of way, okay, kind of talking on

711
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 1>camera about certain items that, oh, this is this is mine.

712
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I've always loved this, so it's yours. What's mine is yours?

713
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Kind of attitude, right.

714
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little bit different.

715
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And after that she went to John's house. She

716
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 1>showered and put on the nightgown, and at this time

717
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 1>John was already home asleep, so she would sleep a

718
00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>little while and then woke up in the middle of

719
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:03.079
<v Speaker 1>the night, and then she also woke up John, and

720
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the two began having sex. Interesting after that a little while,

721
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing they did, thing they did, thing they did.

722
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>John fell back asleep, and that's when the attack occurred.

723
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it because they only had sex one time?

724
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe? I don't know. Catherine would reach forward and retrieve

725
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>a butcher knife from its usual place hanging above the bed,

726
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and she proceeded to stab John a total of thirty

727
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:36.079
<v Speaker 1>seven times.

728
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Brutal.

729
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It is thought that John briefly regained consciousness during the attack,

730
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately was unable to defend himself. There's also thoughts

731
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>that he was able to stumble through the house a bit,

732
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>exiting through the front door, and whether he fell back

733
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 1>inside or was pulled back inside before the door was closed.

734
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 1>On sure, but he would succumb to the injuries of

735
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the attack.

736
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's almost surprising to me though, that he

737
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>was able to even fall asleep. Yeah, Like he must

738
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>have really was able to sleep. Be Like, I just

739
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>feel like I would have troubles falling asleep if you

740
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>literally thought the person next to you was could murder you.

741
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that might as much as I hate to

742
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>give her this credit, that might just fall back onto

743
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she's just that good of a fucking lay.

744
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Oh gosh, I mean, he's like dead asleep.

745
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:33.800
<v Speaker 1>He wakes up all of a sudden, he's getting like

746
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 1>the lay of his life, and then just rolls over

747
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 1>back to sleep again.

748
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and he's probably like, oh, like we just

749
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 2>we just did this, like nothing bad it's gonna happen. Yeah,

750
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 2>but he literally had no idea how nuts she was exactly.

751
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Catherine, unfortunately though, wasn't done killing him, wasn't

752
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>just enough for her. She would then drag his body

753
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 1>into an area where she would proceed to skin him

754
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 1>and hang him hangs remains, in fact, from meat hooks

755
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>in the living room.

756
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that's gross.

757
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:10.639
<v Speaker 1>She would proceed to decapitate his body and dismember him.

758
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, but she began preparing pieces of his

759
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 1>flesh to cook in a dish alongside potatoes, pumpkins, beets, zucchini, cabbage, squash,

760
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>and even gravy. The fuck yeah, she's she's making in

761
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night a roast with his basically, yeah,

762
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>remains basically, Uh, she prepared a whole whole meal for herself,

763
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>although evidence would at the crime scene suggest that she

764
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.079
<v Speaker 1>couldn't finish her plate, as portions of the meal were discarded,

765
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 1>and that discarded it was actually discarded out in the

766
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.119
<v Speaker 1>backyard on the lawn somewhere, so it's kind of like

767
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:52.679
<v Speaker 1>odd spot to be discarded. But uh, half her plate

768
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.519
<v Speaker 1>was She finished half her plate.

769
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Basically, so like she literally ate some of him.

770
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, she consumed him.

771
00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

772
00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 1>She cooked and can assumed.

773
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Him, Hey, well, can we please note that Ben is

774
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 2>doing a cannibalism.

775
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Case and not Nicole.

776
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>There you go, it's not always me, not always you.

777
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>There's there's there's a once for everything. First time, first time,

778
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the same. That's it.

779
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>We're really good with our words today. At least we

780
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>can help each other out.

781
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding. So yeah. She prepared the meal for

782
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 1>herself ate at least some of it in the discard

783
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of the rest. Subsequently, she would then lay down next

784
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:39.360
<v Speaker 1>to some of John's mutilated remains and ingest a significant

785
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.119
<v Speaker 1>amount of pills before she lost consciousness.

786
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, that is just so fucked well.

787
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 1>The last little gory detail here. Amongst all the blood

788
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and gore around the house, law enforcement encombed another gruesome

789
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.320
<v Speaker 1>sight of John's severed head boiling in a pot of

790
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>vegetables on the stove. I think this is now like

791
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>the third or fourth case where there's been a head

792
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 1>boiling on the stove.

793
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 2>It's a thing. I don't I have absolutely no idea why.

794
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know either, but it's apparently a thing.

795
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.159
<v Speaker 2>It's like they're making stock for soup. Yeah, which is disturbing.

796
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Why don't know something else very disturbing about this. No, well,

797
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.320
<v Speaker 1>they also found two more fully set plates with food

798
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 1>and flesh set at the table, each bearing a name

799
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>tag next to it.

800
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 2>For his kids.

801
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Two of his kids. Oh, apparently she left out one

802
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 1>because she liked the kid. But the other two, Yeah,

803
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>there were place sets with their dads cooked remains alongside

804
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>healthy servings of vegetables and gravy ready to go. She

805
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 1>fully intended to feed the kids their dad.

806
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:56.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this just keeps getting worse, Like, are

807
00:42:56.719 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>we done yet here?

808
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you mean why we Like, I just.

809
00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:04.360
<v Speaker 2>Cannot believe that this can keep going. Well, I mean

810
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>she needs okay, at this point, if she if she's alive,

811
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 2>she needs to be in jail. And like there's no

812
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>literal chance that she can get out of jail at

813
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Speaker 2>this point.

814
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 1>You think, so, Yeah, okay, okay, Well, Catherine would wake up.

815
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.639
<v Speaker 1>Catherine was not dead. Police were able to wake her

816
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>up on the scene, and of course, when she woke up,

817
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:25.760
<v Speaker 1>what do you think she did?

818
00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what happened?

819
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she played dumb and and claimed that she had

820
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>no recollection of the incident that transpired.

821
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and they didn't buy it.

822
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so really, but who knows.

823
00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>She was pretty good, Like, she was pretty good at

824
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>making people like manipulative, lah, well, manipulative.

825
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Manipulative, she was maculative. Yeah, well, just one little piece

826
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 1>here to show her manipulation skills. There was a witness

827
00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>watching the police aftermath of the crime scene, the police

828
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 1>bombarding the house because like it kind of caused a

829
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 1>scene in the neighborhood. People were kind of gathered.

830
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, that would.

831
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>And so a witness would talk about seeing Catherine actually

832
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 1>walk out of the house with a very evil, malicious

833
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 1>smile across her face. And at the hospital she would

834
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.119
<v Speaker 1>arrive on a bed.

835
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>What does that mean?

836
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Catherine willingly walks out of the house smiling, But yeah,

837
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:29.519
<v Speaker 1>when she arrives at the hospital, she's in bed and

838
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.000
<v Speaker 1>very sick.

839
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Ah geez, yeah, oh just like kay. Was she like

840
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 2>a good looking person? No, okay, no, some reason, I'm

841
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 2>just like picturing this like just this babe. No okay, well,

842
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>like I have no idea how she's getting away with

843
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.039
<v Speaker 2>this shit and stuff.

844
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, objectively speaking, in her prime, was she horrible? No,

845
00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I'd say she's I don't know, like average in her prime.

846
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but yeah, huh yeah, just that's quite a visual

847
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>her just like walking out of there, just completely needing help,

848
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Like you have to be careful with the words you use, right,

849
00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like she needs help and just like what she just did,

850
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and she is looking like pleased with herself about it.

851
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

852
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

853
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 1>There was one final little piece here that I'm going

854
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to talk about from the crime scene. On top of

855
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 1>a photograph in the house of John, police also found

856
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:36.079
<v Speaker 1>a note Catherine had had written. It was stained with

857
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 1>bits of blood and had bits of remaining flesh attached

858
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 1>to it, just from residual handling. And though it's somewhat gibberish,

859
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the note reads this hopeful, hopefully you can kind of

860
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>we'll walk through it a bit. Time got you back,

861
00:45:54.559 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan for raping my daughter. You to bec for Ross

862
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 1>for little John. Now play with little John's dick, John Price.

863
00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Now the individuals she's referring to, Beck Ross and Little

864
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:13.199
<v Speaker 1>John are apparently some of John's children or some of

865
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:18.599
<v Speaker 1>the children involved. Okay, So after a lengthy investigation, actually

866
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 1>police found that the claims and accusations of raping were

867
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>baseless and most likely fictitious.

868
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Almost her kind of throwing in an excuse there for

869
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 2>what she did.

870
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, yeah, kind of just saying like giving herself reason, saying, oh,

871
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.119
<v Speaker 1>this is why I did it, you know, trying to

872
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe give him a bad name in the aftermath too,

873
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>who knows.

874
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

875
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 1>So Catherine and her legal team initially offered a plea

876
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of guilty to manslaughter, which is basically like, oops, I

877
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 1>accidentally killed someone, like hitting someone with a vehicle, right, like, yah,

878
00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.079
<v Speaker 1>did not mean to kill them?

879
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, but tech, I honestly don't even one hundred percent

880
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>feel like this could have been planned because like maybe

881
00:47:05.960 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>she didn't necessarily plan to kill him, but like she

882
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>has those knives in the spot and woke up and

883
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 2>something pissed her off, and and here she went on

884
00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 2>a little rampage. Well.

885
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:20.159
<v Speaker 1>The little argument for premeditation, though, is the kind of

886
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Will and Testament video prior to So it's like, oh,

887
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you're sitting here recording a video of like, oh, make

888
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:30.519
<v Speaker 1>sure that my kid gets this sort of thing, or

889
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>like she didn't say that per se, but she henced

890
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of that sort of stuff. It's like, oh,

891
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 1>why are you kind of like doing a last Will

892
00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 1>and Testament thing? On a little video all of a

893
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>sudden the night before this big murder. Clearly you were

894
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>planning something.

895
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, she was planning to maybe kill herself, touche, but

896
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe not him, but probably him. I'm just I'm just.

897
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, even if that isn't the case, even if it

898
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:57.039
<v Speaker 1>was just a lapse in judgment a in the spur

899
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of the moment killing, she stabbed him thirty.

900
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Seven, Well, yeah, overkilled.

901
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.960
<v Speaker 1>She skinned him, She cut his head off, she boiled her,

902
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:10.199
<v Speaker 1>cooked him, she ate him. She also made vegetables alongside

903
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 1>his fucking body.

904
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that needs to be more than just a premeditation.

905
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't have to be like hours or days in advance.

906
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.360
<v Speaker 1>It can be like a few, like moments before.

907
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

908
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 1>If you intentionally say I'm gonna do this, and then

909
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>seconds later you do it, that's pre meditation. Yeah, and

910
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what she did. She's like, I'm going to

911
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking stab him more, I'm gonna cook him, I'm gonna

912
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 1>eat him. I'm gonna make a plate for his kids.

913
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Like fuck that?

914
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah what? Yeah, nope, Yeah, it eats more than that.

915
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

916
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

917
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 1>So she was like, yeah, I'll play guilty demandslaughter. Catherine

918
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.800
<v Speaker 1>would enter the plea sorry, it would be rejected, my apologies,

919
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and on March second, two thousand and one, she would

920
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>officially be charged with murder of John Price, and she

921
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.760
<v Speaker 1>would enter the plea of not guilty. And though the

922
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 1>trial was initially scheduled for the twenty third of July

923
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and one, it would be postponed and

924
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 1>it would eventually take place place on October fifteenth in

925
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one. Okay, so, during the commencement of

926
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the trial, Justice Barry O'Keeffe offered all the sixty prospective

927
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 1>jurors the option to be excused due to the graphic

928
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:20.119
<v Speaker 1>nature of the photographic evidence. That alone is wild to me.

929
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so this is like super disturbing. Then I'm about

930
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 2>to say this, but if I'm like ever on a jury,

931
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:28.280
<v Speaker 2>this would be like the case that I want to

932
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>be on. I would be so mortified and so disturbed

933
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and just sick to my stomach. But it would be

934
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:35.559
<v Speaker 2>like pretty fucking interesting.

935
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.039
<v Speaker 1>I have a feeling anyone lists out there listening to

936
00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a true crime.

937
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Podcast, especially say the same thing.

938
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially if they're on part two and this deep

939
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 1>into second part of this episode. I have a feeling

940
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 1>they're all with you on that and they.

941
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.440
<v Speaker 2>Understand, but honestly, also, it would be traumatizing. Oh yeah,

942
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>it would one hundred percent affect the rest of your life.

943
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Though definitely it'd be fucked up.

944
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it would be like, wow, it'd be fucked

945
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>up a fascinating yeah.

946
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So during the commencement of the trials, so I

947
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>covered that there will be five jurors that actually took

948
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 1>up the opportunity to be excused from this. So Catherine's

949
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:20.360
<v Speaker 1>defense had initially planned to argue her case based on

950
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:25.840
<v Speaker 1>claims of amnesia and disassociation, okay, which apparently had the

951
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.880
<v Speaker 1>support of most psychiatrists despite their acknowledgment of her sanity.

952
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, she's sane, but psychiatrists still support the

953
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>idea of amnesia and disassociation.

954
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's well, I think that she was almost in

955
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 2>some sort of state, because didn't at some point you

956
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 2>say like there could be like a switch, Yeah.

957
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, well, it seemed like that it seemed like anything

958
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 1>could just fucking set her off. Yeah yeah, So yeah,

959
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.960
<v Speaker 1>psychiatrists are like, yeah, she's completely sane, but yeah, I

960
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>think there is something there that yeah, like you're saying

961
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:02.440
<v Speaker 1>this switch almost so two psychiatrists concluded that Catherine suffered

962
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 1>from borderline personality disorder as well. Oh okay, so it's

963
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.199
<v Speaker 1>kind of like almost on the lines of bipolar, which

964
00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>would explain that switch and this whole situation. Now, the

965
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:20.440
<v Speaker 1>next day on Catherine's trial, unexpectedly, she changed her plea

966
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.159
<v Speaker 1>to guilty.

967
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, she just decided to have a conscience overnight

968
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:27.599
<v Speaker 2>or what.

969
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess. She's like, no, I'm guilty, and her legal

970
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:35.519
<v Speaker 1>team's like what, no, no, and she's like, no, I'm guilty.

971
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:36.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm pleading guilty.

972
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

973
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 1>And of course they can't make her not Yeah.

974
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, gosh, I feel like they should be happy. Gosh.

975
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine defending her? Oh oh, I don't know

976
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.079
<v Speaker 2>if I couldn't accept that amount of money, Like I

977
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 2>need endless amount of money to be able to do that.

978
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:56.519
<v Speaker 1>No kidding. So her legal team, though, did apparently know

979
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 1>that she was changing her plea on the initial day

980
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 1>of the trial. Is now day two when she's leaning

981
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>guilty on day one, they knew that she was changing

982
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 1>her plea. However, they wanted the overnight to basically get

983
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:11.360
<v Speaker 1>a psychiatric evaluation to determine if she was fully comprehending

984
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the implications of a guilty and yeah, she passes like, yeah,

985
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 1>she knows what she's doing. She's perfectly fine, she can

986
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:20.639
<v Speaker 1>make the call herself totally.

987
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But I'm like, this is good riddance, this is

988
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 2>a good thing.

989
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Catherine never gave any sort of specific reason

990
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.679
<v Speaker 1>why she suddenly changed to a guilty plea huh. Yeah,

991
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>And even after changing and pleading guilty, she continued to

992
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>deny responsibilities for her actions.

993
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Though, Oh okay, that's a bit weird.

994
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, She's like, I did it, but I didn't do

995
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:45.559
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not responsible for it.

996
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, unless she's kind of saying like that in

997
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:51.760
<v Speaker 2>that state. Yeah.

998
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I think what she was trying to do

999
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 1>with this is trying to probably get a lesser sentence.

1000
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yeah, I'm just gonna play guilty, and I'm

1001
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.199
<v Speaker 1>just gonna say the psychiatrists will know that I'm like disassociating,

1002
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 1>borderline personality disorder, all this sort of stuff. If she's like,

1003
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna play guilty, they know this, then perhaps

1004
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>it'll be a lesser sentence. Maybe I'll just go into

1005
00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 1>psychiatric care. That could have been what she's hoping for, I.

1006
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Guess, but I feel like I don't know if she

1007
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.039
<v Speaker 2>just ran the course of the trial that she would

1008
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>have ended up getting lest But who knows.

1009
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows for sure. So during the sentence hearing,

1010
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.239
<v Speaker 1>when details of a gruesome act of skinning in decapitation

1011
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.840
<v Speaker 1>were being described, Catherine reportedly became quote hysterical and had

1012
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>to be sedated. Now I can't find facts on what

1013
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>hysterical exactly means. I'm assuming in like a like panic

1014
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>attack sort of way, not like a joker laughing maniacal way.

1015
00:53:53.199 --> 00:54:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Like almost Wow, I fucking did that? Potentially, I think so.

1016
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.400
<v Speaker 1>So on the eighth of November, Catherine Knight was sentenced

1017
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>to life in prison without anything of a specification on

1018
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a non parole period. So there's nothing in there saying

1019
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 1>about a parole period. However, on her papers, on her

1020
00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 1>prison sentence papers, there is a phrase that the sentence

1021
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.920
<v Speaker 1>had to be contained in this. So it's like the

1022
00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:27.679
<v Speaker 1>sentence is like, she's due to life, no parole specifications. However,

1023
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the sentence papers have to say this definitely never to

1024
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>be released.

1025
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, oh my gosh.

1026
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine the fucking papers saying that definitely never

1027
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 1>to be released.

1028
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank goodness they say that.

1029
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:49.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this marked the first time such a designation

1030
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 1>had ever and I mean ever, been imposed on a

1031
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.639
<v Speaker 1>woman in Australian history, the first woman to ever serve

1032
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 1>a full or be given a full life sentence.

1033
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Huh Is she still alive? You know?

1034
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I actually that's one thing I didn't actually look up.

1035
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>We'll google it here at the end. I have one

1036
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 1>more paragraph. In June of two thousand and six, Catherine

1037
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.039
<v Speaker 1>appealed her life sentence, arguing that a penalty of life

1038
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>imprisonment without the possibility of parole was overly severe for

1039
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 1>the crime she committed, but her appeal was of course denied. Now,

1040
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I did assume Catherine is still alive, though I never

1041
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.239
<v Speaker 1>did actually look it up. Per se, Nicole's doing it

1042
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 1>right now? What do you think?

1043
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't what the frick's her last name? Though?

1044
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Night Okay, that's what I thought, k N I g H.

1045
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 2>T Okay, this could take me a minute here, Shit,

1046
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I think she's still alive.

1047
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty I'm pretty sure she is, but I just

1048
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't yes, because.

1049
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:50.559
<v Speaker 2>It says she's sixty seven years old.

1050
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so Catherine, yeah, is still alive. Nicole just

1051
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.159
<v Speaker 1>fact checked it.

1052
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I really don't love that. I mean not that I'm

1053
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.159
<v Speaker 2>saying like that I want her to die, but it's

1054
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just like crazy that someone that's so like terrifying is

1055
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:05.360
<v Speaker 2>out there is still alive.

1056
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Like, I wonder what she's thinking right now.

1057
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, let's not, let's not wonder that.

1058
00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.559
<v Speaker 1>How do you think someone like that would live out

1059
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>their days behind bars? Well, someone and I don't mean

1060
00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.400
<v Speaker 1>someone like that, not someone like who commits that sort

1061
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 1>of atrocity. I'm talking like bare bones. What do you

1062
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.679
<v Speaker 1>think goes through a psychopath's head once they are put

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<v Speaker 1>behind bars? Just that alone?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it kind of depends because, like I need, I

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00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of would want to know if she has been

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<v Speaker 2>getting help or if she's like on maybe some medication

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00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:42.519
<v Speaker 2>or whatever for like her mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there definitely is some help.

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<v Speaker 2>Because if yeah, if she wasn't, then I just think

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00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:49.239
<v Speaker 2>it wouldn't be pretty at all. But then if she is,

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00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I feel like like someone like that,

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00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I think like strict routine would be really good for them.

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00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:58.760
<v Speaker 2>So I bet you she's actually really like doing pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, right, it's probably where someone like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't mean it in a negative context, we're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>fucking burn and hell no, I mean, like I think,

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00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>like you say, strict routine is probably good for someone

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I think behind bars in prison is probably

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00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the best place for someone like that because it's going

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00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.159
<v Speaker 1>to offer rehabilitation, it's going to offer structure, it's going

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00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 1>to offer rules, it's going to offer people watching and

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00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 1>ensuring that there's no slip ups.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and like I mean, there probably isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in there that's going to like set her off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And now all that is hoping that she is

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<v Speaker 1>in a good prison system where yeah, those rules are

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00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 1>being upheld. Yeah, and not like shitty guards who are like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I'll get your cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>For cheap, like you know, like she's really just not

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<v Speaker 2>that old, she's not interesting, huh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that is the story of Catherine Knight, the

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00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>cannibal who tried to feed a man to his own

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00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>children and is the psychopath who is the first woman

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00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 1>in Australia to receive a full life sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>What a story, What a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a fun one to research.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think that would be hell to research.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be you would know, Yeah, it really would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that actually took a lot out of you.

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00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:23.559
<v Speaker 2>That did.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't feel like emotionally distraught, but I

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00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 1>just feel like physically drained, which is weird. Usually it

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00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>like hits emotionally. This one was just like fuck.

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00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Well. Sometimes the two parters are a bit more draining too,

1106
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>because there's like so much information and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>put it in an order that makes sense kind of,

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00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and and try not to forget things when because they

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00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:50.679
<v Speaker 2>do so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, well she committed. It's so much a lot

1111
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of little acts that balled up over decades, really,

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00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's impossible to cover every single little detail in

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<v Speaker 1>this case. And I know we've said that a few

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<v Speaker 1>other times before, but this was literally a lifetime of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that her?

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, she's not really a looker, is she. No?

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<v Speaker 1>That's not her prime though, either, But no, she's not

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00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:17.599
<v Speaker 1>really a looker, like I say, in her prime, she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, you know, kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Average huh okay, interesting, Yeah, not really what I had

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00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.039
<v Speaker 2>pictured for some mind for reason.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two mosquitos.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think I was kind of picturing because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of I was kind of picturing like a psychopath

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00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 2>man that's a good looking like Ted Bundy or like

1127
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Dahmer or what's the Barbie Ken? What the frick's

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<v Speaker 2>his name? Again? Oh, I'm Karla Hamoka, And.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit, this is why we're terrible through crime trivia. They

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<v Speaker 1>were literally a question on this trivia too.

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<v Speaker 2>I can. I have absolutely no idea what his name is.

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00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>There's two mosquitoes people screaming at us.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you hearing what I'm saying? This is the second

1134
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:04.639
<v Speaker 1>time I've said it. There's two mosquitos in the wall

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<v Speaker 1>behind you.

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<v Speaker 2>What am I supposed to do about that? Right now?

1137
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<v Speaker 1>Get them, slap them, kill them, destroy them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm currently trying to find what this guy's name was. Oh,

1139
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Paul Bernard. It is as I was picturing, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a good looking person like that kind of his example.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, No, No, she just a good lay.

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01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you'd have to be real good.

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01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Apparently she was that.

1144
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<v Speaker 2>Good, like unnaturally good.

1145
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Apparently she was.

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01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:41.719
<v Speaker 2>But I also don't think I mean, guys are different.

1147
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:43.920
<v Speaker 2>But I was like I don't. I could probably have

1148
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.079
<v Speaker 2>had the best lay in my life and I would

1149
01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:47.920
<v Speaker 2>still be running from the hills from that lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, fair enough, I can't argue that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, well done yea.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you guys this episode. If you made it to

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<v Speaker 1>the very end of part number two, we seriously appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>We have all our links down in the description. We

1155
01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:11.360
<v Speaker 1>have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, which we are coming out with

1156
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:12.440
<v Speaker 1>many more vlogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have some like plans we do.

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01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 1>We have some tiny home specific ones coming up here shortly.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot down there, so go ahead and

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01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:21.360
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1161
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:23.280
<v Speaker 1>go and support us a little more if you're up

1162
01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:26.039
<v Speaker 1>for it. If not, that's totally cool. What you can

1163
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:28.599
<v Speaker 1>do to really support us, You can go ahead and

1164
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 1>rate our show. We appreciate that. That goes a long way.

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01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we love ratings. Yeah, five star writings, five star

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01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 2>or if.

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01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 1>You want one star. We're not going to knock it.

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01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:40.719
<v Speaker 1>We're not going to say your opinion is wrong, even

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01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:41.159
<v Speaker 1>though it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay, well, we have some mosquitoes to

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01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.199
<v Speaker 2>go and tackle here, so until.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week, stay wicked. That one sounded weird. You do it,

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01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>You do a better job.

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01:01:56.199 --> 01:01:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Now. I'm on the spot here, stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go.