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<v Speaker 1>You just have to have some gambling you to play

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<v Speaker 1>poker tournaments. Like there's no like backup, Like if poker

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work out, it's not like I'm gonna like work

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<v Speaker 1>for some family business, like there is no backup.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is Remco. Thanks for clicking on the video.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my brand new podcast called Face the Ace,

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<v Speaker 2>in which I talked to the most interesting people in

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<v Speaker 2>poker and go a little deeper into the topics you

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<v Speaker 2>most care about. Enjoy one person I've never had on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast because you weren't big time yet back when

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing shows, mister Jeremy Becker. Jeremy, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the show. Thanks for having me pleasure to have you

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<v Speaker 2>here on the show. We got a ton to dive into.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called the human side of poker, and I figured

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<v Speaker 2>the most human of them all who claims that the

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<v Speaker 2>computers might not be as necessary might just be you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that among the crowd of players you

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<v Speaker 2>move around in that's correct?

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<v Speaker 1>I could maybe think of one other person possibly that's

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<v Speaker 1>not into the whole computer solver stuff. I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>know if it's widely known, so I don't really want

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<v Speaker 1>to put them out there, but yeah, I think pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everyone is into it except me.

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<v Speaker 2>So as far as that style or that approach to

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<v Speaker 2>a game that generally is now seen as solved or

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<v Speaker 2>a game that's seen as you know, too tough to

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<v Speaker 2>beat without those tools, was it an active decision? Are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you now just resisting and holding on? Are you

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps tempted to dive into it sooner than later?

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<v Speaker 1>I would say it's a bit tempting, just because, like now,

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<v Speaker 1>being surrounded by these people, I kind of see like

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<v Speaker 1>just how good they are, and a big reason is

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<v Speaker 1>because of how hard they study and whatnot. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really think for me personally, just like my style,

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<v Speaker 1>getting into that would do me much good. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I would lose some of the stuff that I do

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<v Speaker 1>well and maybe become like a worse version of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, I think I'm just really holding off, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you learn, I'm assuming it's a lot through

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<v Speaker 2>observing and seeing how people approach certain things. It almost

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<v Speaker 2>must mean that you pick up on certain things stylistically

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<v Speaker 2>that they have learned from studying and you learned from observing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would say I definitely have a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>of how the solver like thinks through hands, just from

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<v Speaker 1>like talking poker hands with my friends who do study them,

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<v Speaker 1>but like me personally, like I've never pulled one up

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<v Speaker 1>on the computer or anything like this, but I would

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<v Speaker 1>say from like playing against them and talking with them

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<v Speaker 1>through hands, like I have some sort of idea of

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<v Speaker 1>like what sort of hands want to do certain things

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<v Speaker 1>on different board textures and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So the accomplishments that you've had so far, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, are even more impressive when you're not utilizing

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<v Speaker 2>basically the full array of of what is out there

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<v Speaker 2>right now. For the people that are watching this, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we are on video and we're also on

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<v Speaker 2>audio feeds for those that like to listen to this

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<v Speaker 2>as they walk the dog or do chores at home.

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<v Speaker 2>This gentleman five point three million in career earnings. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a huge hend and mob nerd. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a hand and mob nerd. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 2>I always love to look at is what's the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>live cash in relation to the total earnings, because it

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<v Speaker 2>says it a little bit about you know, how did

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<v Speaker 2>that person get there? You win the main event for

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<v Speaker 2>ten million, and you got eleven million in earnings. You know, then,

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<v Speaker 2>what have you really done for me lately? But in

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<v Speaker 2>your case, for the longest time, your biggest cash was

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<v Speaker 2>less than ten percent of your total earnings. You have

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<v Speaker 2>almost six hundred live results in tournament buyings going down

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<v Speaker 2>as low as free roles. I almost want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>like you play literally everything, and that I think says

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<v Speaker 2>something perhaps that's even more important than a player's app

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<v Speaker 2>to have to study. Is your appetite to put in

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<v Speaker 2>the hours, grind, have the discipline to keep showing up

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<v Speaker 2>day after day. Do you think that is a quality

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself and do you think that that

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<v Speaker 2>is something that you utilize for your success.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there's this term. Actually I've been hearing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot lady like a pub stomper. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>have any idea? So it's basically like how somebody plays

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<v Speaker 1>against like the recreational player, or like sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>fish and big fields, if you will. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>in like these lower but like for instance, during the summer,

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<v Speaker 1>like the fifteen hundred monster stack or something like. I

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<v Speaker 1>think certain players who like theoretically maybe aren't like in

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<v Speaker 1>quotes like a good poker player just do really well

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<v Speaker 1>in these sorts of fields, and I think those are

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<v Speaker 1>the type of people that I played and because my

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<v Speaker 1>buy and range, I mean, I would say my average

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<v Speaker 1>buy in for a very long time was like two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars, And these are the types of players that

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be playing these things. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I just really got good from like experience and trial

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<v Speaker 1>and error of playing these player types. And even to

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<v Speaker 1>this day, like you go play a thirty five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>WPT or something like, you're gonna see I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to say a majority, but a good amount of players

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<v Speaker 1>in the field are the types of players that I

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<v Speaker 1>was playing in these two hundred for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me think of an example. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say put anyone on blast here, because I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>just people like in the studio that like are great

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<v Speaker 1>poker players, but like you're really playing a different game

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<v Speaker 1>when you're playing in like these big field like lower

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<v Speaker 1>buy in like events, and I think that's just like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole you need to play a whole different style.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I've gotten like I would take myself

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<v Speaker 1>first almost anybody in America in these like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>events where like theoretically, yeah, people are gonna be way

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<v Speaker 1>like better than me, but they don't really know like

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<v Speaker 1>the response to what some of these people are doing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably my biggest like, uh, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>word your your edge? So yeah, I think I have

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<v Speaker 1>a really big edge in that, like especially going into

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<v Speaker 1>the summer, like my like let's say, uh, somebody like

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<v Speaker 1>who's been catching a lot of heat, like Maurice Hawkins.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like Sean Deeve is actually really good at this.

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<v Speaker 1>He has tons of experience and success in these sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of events where like you just know how to play

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<v Speaker 1>like the average recreational and that's the majority of the

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<v Speaker 1>playerpool you're gonna see in these big field events. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've done really well and that's like where

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<v Speaker 1>my edge comes from in that.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think that guys that exclusively play ten

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<v Speaker 2>K plus buy ins are unable to adjust in a

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<v Speaker 2>meaningful way against that different sort of player pool, Because

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it almost seems sometimes like if you study

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<v Speaker 2>and just learn how to play and then have some

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<v Speaker 2>I guess tools to your disposal mentally to adjust based

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<v Speaker 2>on opponents, then it shouldn't be that difficult to adjust downwards.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost more difficult to adjust upwards as a competition increases.

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you think that you know, players that only

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<v Speaker 2>play those big bunds have huge leaks and if they do.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some of those I don't want to say leaks,

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<v Speaker 1>just like like I'm not going to sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, Steven Chidwick has no shot in the

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<v Speaker 1>Milliemaker because like he's one of the best poker players

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. Yeah, but like I just think maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there will be certain spots where like he'll have a

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<v Speaker 1>certain hand that like, okay, like I have this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like blocker, I just have to call here, Like

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<v Speaker 1>my hand is great as a call here. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you're playing like Rick from fucking Arkansas, like Rick's just

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<v Speaker 1>never bluffing his tournament life off here like ever, so

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of like your hand, like you almost just have

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<v Speaker 1>like a pure fold, you know, And maybe I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say like guys like that aren't

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<v Speaker 1>looking for these sorts of things, but like batsizing patterns

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<v Speaker 1>with these type of players are is like the number

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<v Speaker 1>one most important thing. Like even if it's like let's

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<v Speaker 1>say pre flop, it's like raise and then three bet

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<v Speaker 1>like three acts and then I'm in like the small

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<v Speaker 1>blind with like a blaw let's say, like some shitty ace.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just saw last orbit, the same guy three

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<v Speaker 1>beat and showed down Kings and he went like four

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<v Speaker 1>x in like a similar position. Like he's just typically

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be as strong, So I don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>like just going with my read and taking some shit

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<v Speaker 1>hand and like trying to get all this dead money

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<v Speaker 1>where I think, like I keep using Stevie just because

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<v Speaker 1>like he's one of the best, yeah poker players, and

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<v Speaker 1>he may fucking be really well in these fields, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know, I've never played with him in them,

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<v Speaker 1>but he might just look down at like Acedu's off

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<v Speaker 1>right there and be like all right, fold and like

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<v Speaker 1>not think twice. But this guy's literally telling you, like

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<v Speaker 1>by his sizing, that he just doesn't have like a

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<v Speaker 1>hand that he's willing to go with. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>like don't care of looking stupid. Really where I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's really important in tournaments, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you hit on something really interesting that the not

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<v Speaker 2>looking stupid part. Sometimes when you observe, especially final tables,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes like a math contest in many ways, where

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<v Speaker 2>I see you guys playing in the studio on day one,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of bands, are lots of chatter, people running around.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done some of the streaming where you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>see some more of that insight sort of baseball where

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<v Speaker 2>you guys just have like talk about prop bets and

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts of nonsense, and then the final table rolls

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<v Speaker 2>around and it's pretty quiet and people focus on the math.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that I always think when I watched

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<v Speaker 2>that is like, Oh, they don't want to look stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to make a mistake because this is

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<v Speaker 2>on TV. This will make a highlight reel, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>they'll their their investor or their friend will text them

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<v Speaker 2>afterwards and say, you know this, this spot is a

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<v Speaker 2>pure fold stuff like that, and just not having that

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<v Speaker 2>or not having those f's to give in spots like

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<v Speaker 2>that could definitely be a place where you get an edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that there's room for that too at

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<v Speaker 2>the studio level or are you completely switching up your game?

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<v Speaker 1>Am I switching up my game at a final table?

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<v Speaker 2>Year?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No I between in the studio in general, because the.

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<v Speaker 1>I think definitely when I first started playing in the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>I was very like trying to take it way more

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<v Speaker 1>serious than like, for instance, one k at Venetian in

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<v Speaker 1>this just in the sense of like table presence, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like we've never played poker together, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean at the table like I'm fucking yeah, and like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking shit like I'm talking during the hand, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and from the outside looking in, you might be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this kid just doesn't care, like he's just having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. But like for me, that's what works and

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<v Speaker 1>makes me like most comfortable and just talking out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>like poker is a social game, Like I'm not there

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<v Speaker 1>to make friends, like I'm there to make money, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like have fun while doing it. Where

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<v Speaker 1>I found myself in the studio, it wasn't really nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my god, this is a ten k

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<v Speaker 1>like way above my typical buy and range, Like let

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<v Speaker 1>me be like more serious and at the beginning, like

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<v Speaker 1>I found that that just wasn't like working for me,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I would just find myself like getting short later

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<v Speaker 1>in the tournament or for whatever reason, like just the

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<v Speaker 1>whole quiet serious like doesn't work for me personally. Where

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember I literally texted Daniel and Josh who

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<v Speaker 1>invested in me in poker, and I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play this series. It was the Bounty series. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there were six tournaments and I ft'd like five

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<v Speaker 1>of them and one one, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>going into the series, I'm gonna treat these tournaments like

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<v Speaker 1>a four hundred a Venetian. I said, just like, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way I'm like acting in my table presence, and

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<v Speaker 1>it fucking really worked out. If that was a coincidence,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. But ever since then, I've just been

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<v Speaker 1>at the table, and I think that's really important. But

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<v Speaker 1>as for like playing style, No, if you played the

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<v Speaker 1>same way as you do in like a big field

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<v Speaker 1>one k in a ten k at the studio, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna be dead. So I definitely do play

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's interesting because you mentioned Daniel Legrand or josh

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<v Speaker 2>Aria who invests in you, and we can touch on

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<v Speaker 2>this on this later, but I find the progression interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because the string of results you've had in Lord buying

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<v Speaker 2>events show to your point that you've sort of figured

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<v Speaker 2>out how to be successful in those. Now you have

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<v Speaker 2>sort of an idea and understanding of what works, what

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't work, and how to sort of go through that

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<v Speaker 2>mindfield type setting. And a player that comes to mind

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<v Speaker 2>who does this too very well is helping who really

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<v Speaker 2>benefits from you know, players that are recreational, that are

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<v Speaker 2>just having fun, that at some point will give their

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<v Speaker 2>chips away and then for you to then move up

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<v Speaker 2>through the ranks as your bankroll grows. Makes total sense

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<v Speaker 2>from a progression point of view, but from a approach

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<v Speaker 2>point of view and the way you see poker and

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<v Speaker 2>the way you see you know, how do I beat

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<v Speaker 2>this game? It almost doesn't make sense because that's not

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<v Speaker 2>what your game is sort of built on. So how

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<v Speaker 2>did you make that change?

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<v Speaker 1>I think a big thing for me in like studio success,

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<v Speaker 1>just the way that I learn is more like trial

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<v Speaker 1>and error and playing experience. And also I used to

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<v Speaker 1>watch these Gigi Super Mis final tables, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is. So these are like the best players in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and they post these final tables on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>with the cards up, and you just see like every

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<v Speaker 1>single hand what people are folding and going with in

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<v Speaker 1>certain spots and whatnot. And I really watched like all

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<v Speaker 1>of those for a long time, and the types of

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<v Speaker 1>players in those events are more of like the studio types,

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<v Speaker 1>like very studied, calculated, and I honestly think that helped

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot, as well as just talking with people

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<v Speaker 1>that play in there through hands as I became more

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<v Speaker 1>and more friendly with them and just recognizing like patterns

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that they play, and just like using

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<v Speaker 1>logic throughout the hand, Like I think the way that

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<v Speaker 1>I play is rather than like, Okay, this hand is

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<v Speaker 1>like a go in this spot, I'm more so like

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<v Speaker 1>what can I do to confuse my opponent, where like Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this bord texture, you're gonna want to bet like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent pot where I might be like all right on

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<v Speaker 1>this board texture, like maybe I'm going to bet eighty

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<v Speaker 1>percent because I want the reaction of like what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is he doing? Like that's not a thing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>what is he trying to say he has? If you

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<v Speaker 1>can confuse your opponent, I think, and be like unpredictable

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I think that's the hardest to play against,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than like doing everything like correctly and just playing

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<v Speaker 1>the same as everybody else and pretty much just like

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to make it a guessing game for

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<v Speaker 1>my opponent, and I think for me personally, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>what fits me well, where for others maybe that won't work.

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<v Speaker 1>But just like I don't know, everybody's a different person

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<v Speaker 1>and has slightly different style, so I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I found what works for me, and I'm always

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<v Speaker 1>trying to come up with different ideas and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>When you describe this pivot in playing styles or this

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<v Speaker 2>this trial and error way of sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>figuring it out more us, you almost make it seem

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<v Speaker 2>like this is like a simple thing where you have

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<v Speaker 2>been successful at a certain level and now we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to just you know, go through the next phase and

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<v Speaker 2>play these higher buyings and I will again, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out which you have. But it's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>you're under selling whatever the X factor is that you

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<v Speaker 2>have or you possess, or that your mind goes into

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<v Speaker 2>that allows you to do that, because the way you

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<v Speaker 2>describe it, it almost you're almost convincing me that I

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<v Speaker 2>can go to the studio and figure it out. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's obviously going to backfire horribly and my wife would

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<v Speaker 2>divorce me and we would lose all our money. But

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<v Speaker 2>in your case, you were able to do that what

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<v Speaker 2>gave you the confidence that you could do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Man. I really just think like I started, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what you know about like my start, Like

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<v Speaker 1>when I finished college, I really did not have much

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<v Speaker 1>money at all, and like got offered a job and

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<v Speaker 1>turned it down to play poker, and like my deal

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<v Speaker 1>with my mom was if I lost that money, I

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<v Speaker 1>would get job. And it was just like back against

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, like I can't lose this money. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in a fucking office every day like I have

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<v Speaker 1>to play poker. And I just like basically I just

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<v Speaker 1>really came from nothing, like there was no backup playing

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody like I don't come from money, Like my

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<v Speaker 1>family wasn't like okay, you keep losing, like here's more,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually you'll spin it up. So I just had to

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<v Speaker 1>like figure out ways to win. And uh, I used

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<v Speaker 1>to just play cash grinding every day and eventually just

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<v Speaker 1>like climbed up the ranks and finally got into tournaments.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just like it's really like playing experience and

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<v Speaker 1>trial and error. Like I get asked a lot from

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<v Speaker 1>like mid stakes and low steaks guys for coaching, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really like I just don't think it would be

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<v Speaker 1>worth it to you right now. Like I can't explain

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes what goes on in my mind, Like a spot

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<v Speaker 1>will just come to me and I'll just be like,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy just doesn't fucking have it, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>can't explain why, Like it just I just go with

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<v Speaker 1>my gut and generally i'd like to think it's right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a lot of my thought process I just can't

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<v Speaker 1>really explain to people. Just for whatever reason, like I

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<v Speaker 1>get a feeling like this will work or this won't work,

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<v Speaker 1>or this guy has this or that, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>trust myself and I think rather than like second guessing myself,

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<v Speaker 1>I really just go with what I'm thinking. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not scared to like look like an idiot. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that happens, but I think long term, like my decisions

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<v Speaker 1>will just work out profitably.

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<v Speaker 2>I think and correct me if I'm wrong. This is

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<v Speaker 2>probably much more a personality trait than than you might

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<v Speaker 2>even understand, you know, just from like a poker perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>because it sounds as though that initial decision to go

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<v Speaker 2>for it and to play poker was sort of rooted

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<v Speaker 2>in the same way of thinking, where you would figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out and you will figure it out because you

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<v Speaker 2>had the determination and you clearly have the intelligence to

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<v Speaker 2>try and do that. Is that something you recognize from

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<v Speaker 2>earlier in your life, or maybe your mom will say

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<v Speaker 2>something like, oh, yeah, you know the way that you

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<v Speaker 2>are now. I saw that growing up. Like did you

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<v Speaker 2>attach yourself to certain things and you figured them out

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<v Speaker 2>on the go, or maybe maybe poker was the first

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing to really click for you. But do

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<v Speaker 2>you have examples of that?

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<v Speaker 1>I would just say I was a very big I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's all relative, but like growing up, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>middle school, high school, like me and my group of friends,

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<v Speaker 1>like we're gambling our net worths every day against each

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<v Speaker 1>other in like whatever game, whether it's like golf, basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>like shooting dice, like literally anything, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>I've had it all on the line so many times,

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<v Speaker 1>just like believing in myself. Like literally we used to

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<v Speaker 1>just roll one dice and like the first one to

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<v Speaker 1>roll the six just wins the pot. And we'd have

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<v Speaker 1>like literally all of our money in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the pool table rolling this dice, and like in my

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<v Speaker 1>head with the dice in my hand, like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>run it again, like I'm gonna get the fucking six,

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<v Speaker 1>like and there's nothing, there's no strategy or anything. You

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<v Speaker 1>just like I just really like believed in myself and

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<v Speaker 1>in those cases, like it did not work out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the time, but just like feeling like for

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<v Speaker 1>whatever reason that like I have this edge and like

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<v Speaker 1>I will like get it done. Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just always stuck with me, and I've had to

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<v Speaker 1>like figure it out, and luckily I've been successful generally.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's go back to your cash game era. Was

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of a linear way to make money where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you found your stakes, you moved up. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was easy enough to play in an environment where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you have your sort of approach and

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<v Speaker 2>your determination, you will make money or potentially were there

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<v Speaker 2>are massive ups and downs where there were times where

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<v Speaker 2>you were not sure if it was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Work out well at first, Like in college. So I

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<v Speaker 1>went to college in Florida, and I grew up gambling

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<v Speaker 1>with my friends. So when I got to college, I

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<v Speaker 1>was less than ten minutes from hard Rock casino in Tampa,

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<v Speaker 1>and me and my friends, I turned my college friends

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<v Speaker 1>into gamblers that never really gambled before, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden now they're djens and UH. In the casino,

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<v Speaker 1>to play like blackjack or roulette whatever, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>be twenty one, but to play poker you only need

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<v Speaker 1>to be eighteen. So initially we went to the casino

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<v Speaker 1>just looking to gamble, and we couldn't gamble on anything,

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<v Speaker 1>only poker. So I was almost like forced to because

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<v Speaker 1>I just needed to like scratch that itch. I was

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<v Speaker 1>basically like forced to play poker, and I just really

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. And initially, obviously I just lost and lost.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was playing one to one, no limit, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars max, and I think I was coming in

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<v Speaker 1>for the minimum was either forty or sixty. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was forty, And initially I was just coming in

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<v Speaker 1>for the minimum a bunch and uh just losing every

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<v Speaker 1>buy in and uh going south sometimes when I needed

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<v Speaker 1>to to make sure I had money to like get

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<v Speaker 1>a cab back because I knew I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>lose in the end. But even then, like almost like

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<v Speaker 1>the parlay ticket, like I'm coming in for the minimum,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to like spin it up, you know, and not

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<v Speaker 1>risk like a lot, which in that time like buying

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<v Speaker 1>in for a hundred and just getting stacked right away

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<v Speaker 1>like that hurt. Like I'm a college kid. I saved

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<v Speaker 1>some money, like my mom would make me put away

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<v Speaker 1>some money. When I was in high school, I was

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<v Speaker 1>a caddie out a golf course, so I was gambling

424
00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:28.720
<v Speaker 1>most of it, but some was in the bank. And

425
00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.119
<v Speaker 1>now I'm using all of that to play poker and

426
00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:34.759
<v Speaker 1>just lost for like a year straight, making excuses to

427
00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.480
<v Speaker 1>my mom why, like I need my savings from saving

428
00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:41.000
<v Speaker 1>up my whole life. Just I used to tell her

429
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<v Speaker 1>anything because they were very anti gambling and they knew

430
00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:48.519
<v Speaker 1>that I was a gambler in high school. I'm saying, like, yeah,

431
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it's my friend's birthday. We went to the strip club,

432
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.599
<v Speaker 1>and I fucking dusted off five hundred, Like that's better

433
00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:56.720
<v Speaker 1>than telling my mom I'm playing poker at the casino.

434
00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:01.279
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I just was kind of forced to play

435
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:03.480
<v Speaker 1>poker when I went to the casino, and I fell

436
00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>in love with it and eventually just started winning and

437
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 1>moved to one, two and then two, five, five, ten,

438
00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:10.559
<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

439
00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Was was there like a light bulb moment where things

440
00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:17.720
<v Speaker 2>turned or did you perhaps talk to the right person

441
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 2>or was there you know, I mean, you mentioned like,

442
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, watching a lot of contents, was there a

443
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<v Speaker 2>progression that you can sort of root into a certain point?

444
00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>After college, I started playing at Resorts World Cat Skills

445
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.279
<v Speaker 1>in New York, and my family's from New York, so

446
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I moved back to New York after I graduated and

447
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.920
<v Speaker 1>was trying to spin up this little money that I

448
00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:45.640
<v Speaker 1>had to support myself. I was living at home, and

449
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:49.200
<v Speaker 1>in ten months I spun it to like, let's say,

450
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a little bit on their one hundred k, just from

451
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:56.640
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, I didn't really have expenses. I stopped,

452
00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.799
<v Speaker 1>like I was watching high stakes poker, like Poker Go,

453
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever YouTube poker there was. I was just non stop

454
00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 1>watching it when I wasn't playing, and everyone's so big

455
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:11.400
<v Speaker 1>on the bank roll management. I'm watching whatever sort of videos,

456
00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, just the action in Florida was much

457
00:24:15.319 --> 00:24:18.359
<v Speaker 1>better than New York, and I got really motivated to

458
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.440
<v Speaker 1>like save up and go back down to Florida. My

459
00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:25.279
<v Speaker 1>best friend from college had an extra year of college.

460
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:29.559
<v Speaker 1>He played lacrosse, had an extra year of eligibility, so like,

461
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to go down there with him and just

462
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>hang out and play poker every day. And I got

463
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:40.119
<v Speaker 1>motivated to like just have like some sort of bankroll

464
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>management where it wasn't just about playing, It was about

465
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>making money so that I had enough to like go

466
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 1>down there. And yeah, I don't know, I think that

467
00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.039
<v Speaker 1>motivated me. And then when I started to make money,

468
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I didn't like want to spend it. I just wanted

469
00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 1>it so that I could play bigger stakes. And yeah,

470
00:24:57.799 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 1>that's really what I was motivated by. I was getting

471
00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>my own place down in Tampa.

472
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>How do you go from hiding from your your your

473
00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:11.000
<v Speaker 2>family that you're you know, spending money or losing money

474
00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>playing poker too, then coming to them saying, look, I've

475
00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>won all this money but playing poker. Was there you know,

476
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a moment where you had to come clean that in

477
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 2>the like, oh Mom, sorry, the I did. I never

478
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:26.880
<v Speaker 2>went to the strip club. This was all poker money.

479
00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But now look at me, now I'm doing great. Do

480
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you remember perhaps that conversation.

481
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, I actually didn't admit to my mom that I

482
00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was playing as much as I was in college until

483
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:42.039
<v Speaker 1>like maybe a couple of years ago, so I had that.

484
00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I think she always knew.

485
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

486
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I mean she knew. I just what

487
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>can she say if she sees like my bank account

488
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.680
<v Speaker 1>like going up and me like being able to support myself.

489
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Like she made very clear when I did choose to

490
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.440
<v Speaker 1>play poker that not that like my family has money,

491
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 1>but like she's my mom. So like let's say I

492
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>was ever like debt broke, like you would think your

493
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 1>parents would like take you in or whatever, but she's like,

494
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:14.839
<v Speaker 1>if you're choosing to gamble for a living rather than

495
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.160
<v Speaker 1>take a job, like I won't be helping you out

496
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 1>financially at all. So initially I believe I needed to borrow,

497
00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:28.359
<v Speaker 1>like I was playing one two, three hundred dollars max

498
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>like after college, and uh, I think I got down

499
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:35.640
<v Speaker 1>to like a couple buy ins left, and I was

500
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>like I always came in for the max. I was like, Mom,

501
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>just please, like let me have a hundred bucks or something,

502
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.759
<v Speaker 1>just so unprepared, like if I need to rebuy, and

503
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 1>like she gave me that like hundred or whatever it

504
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>was and was like never again, like I'm not giving

505
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you anything, And I ended up spinning it up and

506
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 1>like I gave her back. I think I liked double,

507
00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Like if she gave me a hundred, I gave her

508
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>back too, and was like thank you, Like they weren't

509
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.200
<v Speaker 1>thrilled with it, But I mean, what can they say

510
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>when they see me supporting myself and they're not giving

511
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>me any money for anything and I'm getting my own place, Like,

512
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's they know how much I love it? Like,

513
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 1>what can they really say?

514
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Was there a moment where she realized that you were

515
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>not just paying the bills but you were actually becoming

516
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a star in the game, or you

517
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>picked up some notoriety or some level of poker celebrity

518
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.799
<v Speaker 2>if you will, because you know, your name hit my

519
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 2>radar many years ago when you were still just you know,

520
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>playing the dailies, and that became almost like a meme.

521
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>You know you're that many though. It was literally I

522
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.160
<v Speaker 1>moved to Vegas, Like you didn't know who I was

523
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 1>when I lived in Florida, right, And I didn't move

524
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>to Vegas. I moved here three years and two months ago,

525
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.279
<v Speaker 1>I think it was. So it wasn't like many years ago.

526
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 1>It was. I believe I moved at the beginning of

527
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.920
<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty three or end of February twenty twenty three,

528
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and before the before that, like my parents were on board,

529
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.200
<v Speaker 1>but they always like they did not think it was

530
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>like for sure gonna work out. Like always in the

531
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 1>back of my mom's mind is like, just maybe it

532
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 1>would be better if, like you got a job before

533
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I moved here. It was in January of twenty twenty three.

534
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I believe I won a four hundred dollars tournament for

535
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:29.880
<v Speaker 1>like thirty five K or something, and honestly, if I

536
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't win that tournament, like I was honestly thinking of

537
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>getting like some sort of second secondhand income, just not

538
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.759
<v Speaker 1>necessarily taking a job. But just like you know, this

539
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>tournament thing just is fucking brutal. Like I felt like

540
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting fucked in every deep tournament. Now I'm playing

541
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 1>for like I'm playing like two hundreds and four hundreds

542
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>with like sub ten k up top typically, but I

543
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>just like never seem to like get first or second,

544
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.039
<v Speaker 1>and it's really hard to beat low stakes tournaments with

545
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.079
<v Speaker 1>break and whatnot. I just remember going I went down

546
00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.799
<v Speaker 1>to Miami where the other hard rock is, and I

547
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.799
<v Speaker 1>remember thinking like, if this series doesn't work out, like

548
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going back to playing cash and maybe getting

549
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>some sort of job.

550
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

551
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I won that and it was just like

552
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.720
<v Speaker 1>a complete one eighty, like Okay, fuck it, I'm going

553
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to Vegas, like let's let's play these tournaments.

554
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>That's so insane. And I'm looking at your at your

555
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>results now, and it's actually kind of funny because I

556
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.279
<v Speaker 2>never fully realized how many cashes you already had just

557
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>in Florida playing the like sort of the smaller buying

558
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>tournaments there.

559
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 1>The one eighty triple stack that was like that was

560
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>your thing, that was the tournament every day pretty much.

561
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But then as you described this, that sounds like

562
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>an enormous break even stretch where you're just like in

563
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>the washing machine, where you know, you're just sort of

564
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 2>spun around every single day and you're you're keeping your

565
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.799
<v Speaker 2>head just above the water until that one score comes.

566
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say break even stretch, Like I was definitely

567
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>making money and I'm also playing cash like I would

568
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>bust this tournament and like I'm jumping straight into two, five, five, ten,

569
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 1>whatever's going on. But I mean playing low stakes like

570
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>that with like my sort of lifestyle, just like I'm

571
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>not shy about like spending money. It's definitely tough to

572
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>like save anything when you're playing that small and if

573
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you go on like cold streaks or something like. It's

574
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>not like you just stop spending money, like you have

575
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 1>to live. Yeah, I mean I was. I was literally

576
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>playing every day all day Like this one eighty was

577
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>at like five or six o'clock. I'm going to the

578
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>casino at eleven am. I'm grinding cash for six seven hours.

579
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm gonna eat and jump in the tournament, and

580
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>then after the tournament, I'm gonna play cash a couple

581
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 1>more hours every day, just like trying to just make

582
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 1>money as well as like get playing experience, Like I

583
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking love sitting at the table and playing, especially if

584
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:56.319
<v Speaker 1>like everyone's talking having a good time.

585
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you have to love it. You are that committed,

586
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.119
<v Speaker 2>and I mean hours wise. The guys who play online,

587
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.359
<v Speaker 2>you know they'll they'll rival you. You know they play

588
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 2>every single day too. But the fact that you chose

589
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>this pathway it says a lot about your personality because

590
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>you could have also just found some location where grinding

591
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.839
<v Speaker 2>online is available and putting the hours there. There's plenty

592
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 2>of stories of those people. Did it ever cross your

593
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>mind that that would be both a good proving ground,

594
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 2>a good place to get a lot of volume in

595
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps to have, you know, lower expenses and just

596
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 2>make money that way.

597
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>No, I've never had any interest of playing on the computer.

598
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I just for me, there's something just about like seeing

599
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the person and like being there physically and just I

600
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 1>mean this probably sounds stupid, but just like feeling like

601
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>the vibes of the person and like their energy. Like

602
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I really think that's like a big thing. Like if

603
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>there's some guy sitting at the table and he's just

604
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 1>talking about how unlucky he is, Like that's the guy

605
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 1>I want to be all in against. Like you know,

606
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting next to uh Aram Zobian one day. This

607
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 1>guy can't lose it all in like the way he's

608
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>tabling his cards, like he just can't lose. Like there's

609
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 1>just something about energy, and it's like if I have

610
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a close spot and like he's all in with cards

611
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to come, like I'm just not gonna take it. And

612
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>then there's like another guy saying like how unlucky he is,

613
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>and there's a close spot where like I could pass,

614
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I could go with it, like we're gonna run it,

615
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and like I just really am a big believer in that.

616
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 1>And for whatever reason, I think it's like true, like

617
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 1>energy is very real, and I don't think you can

618
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>feel that through like any computer screen.

619
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, on the on the subject of energy, I've been

620
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>around the studio plenty of times where your energy seems

621
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 2>to be all over the place, and I've I've also

622
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 2>come across your share of frustration, as you know, you

623
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>get eliminated, or you get bad beat, or you know

624
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>at the final table things don't work out. You also

625
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>live it like you live You live the tournament experience

626
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 2>in a way that most people would say for a

627
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>professional that's like unhealthy, but you almost seem to like

628
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 2>need that in order to make it count or make

629
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>you perform at your best when you care that much.

630
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I really lately, I shouldn't even say lately,

631
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know last year or so, it just so happens.

632
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Like variance is very real. I've played a handful of

633
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty five k's and all of them but one I've

634
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>been all in pre flop with aces or kings or

635
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.119
<v Speaker 1>pair over pair, whatever the case is, for like infinite

636
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 1>chips and just never won, like I've just gotten fucked in,

637
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 1>like in the biggest like buy in spots of like

638
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 1>my young poker career in these big binds, and I

639
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.880
<v Speaker 1>think part of it is like sitting there like come on, hold,

640
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>no King, or like whatever it is where like the

641
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>people that I've lost to just so happened to be

642
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 1>like easygoing, played like one hundred k's, two hundred k's

643
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be, and like not that they

644
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 1>don't care, but like it's just another all in for them,

645
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>no matter the buy in. Where if I'm playing like

646
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>in eleven hundred, like obviously I want to win, but

647
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not sweating the runout, like it's not that

648
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, it's just like whatever I've done this

649
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>thousands of times. I've only been all in in like

650
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 1>these really big buy ins for me a few times,

651
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and like I really wanted to win and for some reason,

652
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>like I've just gotten fucked in pretty much all them.

653
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Not that like I go in saying like oh my god,

654
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm all in with aces again, like I'm so unlucky.

655
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:47.599
<v Speaker 1>But rather than just like sitting back and just watching

656
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the runout in my head, I'm like, no, King, like

657
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.840
<v Speaker 1>don't fuck me like this again, Like and I don't know,

658
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.519
<v Speaker 1>there's just something too that I think, so I'm really

659
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 1>trying hard not to sweat these all ins in these

660
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>bigger buy ins. My mindset, I think is actually very

661
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.519
<v Speaker 1>bad the way that I think about all ins. Like

662
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>if you're a professional, let's say I'm all in with

663
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you and I'm eighty percent, you're twenty percent, and like

664
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I lose. I think the mindset should be like, oh,

665
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 1>nothing I can do, Like I did my job, like

666
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 1>onto the next where like that's what really tilts me.

667
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 1>Where like if I make a mistake, like let's say

668
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I run a bad bluff, or like I make a

669
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>bad call, like that doesn't tilt me because like that's

670
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 1>my mistake and like rather than being fucked by the deck,

671
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>like I lost this tournament because I made a bad decision,

672
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and like I can live with that because I think

673
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>it can be fixed, where I think most pro's mindsets

674
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 1>are the opposite, or like if it's their mistake, they're

675
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna be pissed off and that's gonna tilt them. Where

676
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm the complete opposite, where like I'm tilted when like

677
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>I did everything good, put myself in a great position

678
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to get all the chips, and I got fucked. That's

679
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 1>what like I'll be driving home like fuck this, where

680
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>like if it's my fault, I literally forget about it

681
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 1>a minute later, like I know I can fix it.

682
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 1>That's fine.

683
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's so wild because you do describe exactly

684
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 2>what most poker pros usually say, where you know it's

685
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's out of my hands now.

686
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm the I mean I think you said you're

687
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna have Chewy on here at some point. Yeah, like

688
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Chewy's very like at peace, like I made

689
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.440
<v Speaker 1>the right decision, like oh, well, see you again tomorrow,

690
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 1>where like I'm the complete opposite. And yes, you said

691
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 1>that you've seen like let's say I get fucked in

692
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>a big hand, I'm like, oh fuck this, Like but

693
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 1>it's all not that it's a bit right, but it's

694
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 1>like I'm joking around, like I'm not actually like, oh

695
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 1>my god, I never fucking win this like it I'm

696
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.199
<v Speaker 1>just fucking around like I'm just I don't know. It's

697
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like hard on my sleeve, like I'm not actually like

698
00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't say I'm not tilted, but I'm not actually

699
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Like when I say, like when will it end there? Whatever,

700
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that like that's not real, Like I know I've been

701
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>fortunate in life, you know, like I mean it was

702
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, let's say a little less than ten

703
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 1>years ago. I have a couple thousand dollars to my name,

704
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.559
<v Speaker 1>like buying in for one hundred dollars, Like now I'm

705
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>playing ten thousand dollars tournaments, you know, so like the

706
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 1>one will it end? Like I'm very fortunate, and I

707
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 1>know that.

708
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>It's probably not ending anytime soon. I think you're you're

709
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you're too committed to the No.

710
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>It does end, like I'm very trying to be positivity.

711
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna win this all, but like when I get fucked,

712
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.159
<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna know it.

713
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.440
<v Speaker 2>That's good though, And the one thing people have to

714
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.480
<v Speaker 2>realize when you're in the studio and and these guys

715
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 2>are playing on day one, it's Jeremy Becker just leading

716
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.400
<v Speaker 2>the circus and you're you're walking between the tables, You're

717
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.760
<v Speaker 2>you're you're engaging with everyone. You've become friends with all

718
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 2>these guys, and it seems like such a casual atmosphere.

719
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>And that is something that's I think often not understood

720
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 2>from the outside, is how incredibly casual these ten k

721
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>plus buyings are. Because I also, you know, go to

722
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Venetian all the time, and it feels like the WSP

723
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Main Events final table, like on day one of a

724
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 2>four hundred, and in the studio it looks like I'm

725
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>walking into a home game. What is that about?

726
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 1>So I think in the studio it's gonna be either

727
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like you're a very successful poker professional that like just

728
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>plays these ten k's all the time and you're like proven,

729
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 1>you have investors believing in you to play these tournaments,

730
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 1>or you just have the money yourself, or you're just

731
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>gonna be like a very well off like businessman that's

732
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 1>in there like having fun like and those are really

733
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I can't really think of another player type. Correct me

734
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>if you think otherwise.

735
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you're right.

736
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so everyone, all the professionals like have played

737
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 1>poker long enough, or like when you lose an eighty twenty,

738
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>like no one's gonna slam the table and be like

739
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.599
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck? How do you call there? Like it's

740
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 1>literally just like knock on the table, like good game,

741
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm fucking rebuyings you soon and it's just laughs.

742
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Or it's like the rit the wealthy business guy who's like, ah,

743
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 1>that was a blast. That's poker, like see you guys later,

744
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 1>where when you go to like Venetian and play like

745
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>an eight hundred or whatever it.

746
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Is, it's life or death.

747
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, whether it's just people don't have the experience

748
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to like know just how often the best hand doesn't win,

749
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 1>or you're playing with the guy who like never wins

750
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the flip. People are just more miserable generally at lower stakes.

751
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know if it's because the money means

752
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.280
<v Speaker 1>more relatively or if it's just lack of poker experience

753
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and not understanding like the total variance in tournament poker

754
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.280
<v Speaker 1>or what it is. But it's definitely there's no atmosphere

755
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.599
<v Speaker 1>in the United States like the Poker Ghost studio when

756
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>you're in a tournament. I mean it's not even close.

757
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.440
<v Speaker 1>It's it's very tough tournaments, like it's big buy ins,

758
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>but everyone's like friendly. There's really nobody. I can't think

759
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.719
<v Speaker 1>of one person who's just like bad energy. Like you

760
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 1>can look at someone losing every day and they're just

761
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna be smiling in the studio because like it's such

762
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 1>a great playing experience where I mean you play like

763
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a I don't know, win one k Venetian one k,

764
00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Like these places are great, but there's always gonna be

765
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple of people at the table that, like I think,

766
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.400
<v Speaker 1>have victim mentality, which you cannot win if you have that,

767
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, if I assume you know what I

768
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 1>mean by that.

769
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course. And it's funny because the way you

770
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 2>say it too, is that you sometimes sort of play

771
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the victim almost as like a meme. But for those people,

772
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like real emotion.

773
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I you'll hear me say say like I'll

774
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 1>get fucked in and all and oh my god, how

775
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>do I never win? But like I'm just joking, Like

776
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's fine, that's part of the game. Like

777
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna win some I'm gonna lose some where. Like

778
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 1>this guy loses Ace King versus Queen's at Venetian and

779
00:40:57.079 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I don't know why I play these fucking

780
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>tournaments comes down to a flip by I never win,

781
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>like and he's being like dead serious and he's probably

782
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>driving home like on the phone with his wife, like

783
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm done with these tournaments. It's such bullshit, Like these

784
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 1>people are so lucky where like you're just playing poker,

785
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Like sometimes the math doesn't seem like it's like mathing.

786
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I've said I used to think and in

787
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.079
<v Speaker 1>these bigger byans, just it just so happens. In like

788
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>these twenty five k's, I can't win when I'm eighty

789
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.800
<v Speaker 1>percent for a lot of chips. But like I know,

790
00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it's just random, Like I'm not the most unlucky person

791
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Like it all generally somewhat evens out

792
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:36.199
<v Speaker 1>in the end. I would like to think.

793
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to pivot sort of away from the poker

794
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>table a little bit, because you've fostered some friendships that

795
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 2>start at the poker table, and then you guys take

796
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that outside of poker. Yeah, and when I was coming

797
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>into poker, that was golf. That's all people talked about.

798
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Golf here, golf.

799
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Speaker 1>There, big golf game tomorrow.

800
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Actually, there we go, let's get into it. But also

801
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:02.719
<v Speaker 2>the thing that I'm so curious about is the bowling

802
00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>because of all the things that I would have guessed

803
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>that you guys would get into, bowling would have been

804
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:11.639
<v Speaker 2>super low in the list. I need to hear the

805
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>lure of how the the the high stakes poker community

806
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.559
<v Speaker 2>became obsessed with bowling. Where did that start?

807
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 1>It probably was during a poker ghost series. Honestly, just

808
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, you bust out at seventy eight o'clock, you're

809
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 1>jones in for some action, and I mean, like it's

810
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:35.119
<v Speaker 1>dark out, Like what sort of you got a bunch

811
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>of poker players to be I think to be a

812
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 1>successful like poker tournament player, you have to have some

813
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of like gamble in you. I feel like like

814
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you have to take like the small edges, like you're

815
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna flip a lot like you can't. I don't think

816
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 1>there's a poker player playing in like the studio, like

817
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 1>a successful professional playing high stakes that generally will ever

818
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:01.480
<v Speaker 1>be in a spot and be like I don't I

819
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:04.599
<v Speaker 1>can't take this flip here, you know, like let me

820
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 1>just find chips in a better spot. Like that's more

821
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>of like a and I've said shit or thought things

822
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 1>like this in like a big field, lower stakes tournament

823
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 1>for sure. M but you just have to have some

824
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 1>gambling you to play poker tournaments and you bust that.

825
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's say you bust out of a poker go ten

826
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>k twice in a day, and now it's eight o'clock

827
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and you're fucking steaming, like you want some action, you're

828
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 1>trying to get some money back. I mean, how many

829
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>like sort of athletic thing, even if it's not athletic,

830
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 1>just something to like gamble on that you can like

831
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 1>participate in. Are there, Like there's really not that money.

832
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 1>It's dark out, so all outside things are pretty much done.

833
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>But it was during one of these series, it was like,

834
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>let's go bowl at Red Rock. Like a bunch of

835
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 1>people live in Summerland that play these tournaments, and we

836
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 1>just it really just became a thing. Like the first

837
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, we're all using house balls, nobody's that good.

838
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 1>All of a sudden, one or two guys start showing

839
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>up with their own balls play So.

840
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's let's paint this picture here.

841
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>There was betting from day one.

842
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, betting from day one, But like, describe the scene.

843
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I've been to Red Rock Bowling, Like you guys just

844
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 2>like show up, you guys, gotta get a few lanes,

845
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and you start throwing some balls, and are people already

846
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to hustle and see who's got some talent. And

847
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>then at what point does you know whoever this person

848
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:28.679
<v Speaker 2>was show up with their own ball, and you're like, okay,

849
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 2>now it's on, and now everyone's getting their own stuff.

850
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 1>So I would actually say, as much as people are

851
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 1>like gambling, the whole group, which is pretty much like

852
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Poker Go regulars, for the most part, everyone's friendly, and

853
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I would say there's a level of trust between everyone

854
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.519
<v Speaker 1>where like I really don't think anybody would ever like

855
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>hustle anybody in this group. Like it's not like you

856
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:55.360
<v Speaker 1>hear that story where these guys are swapping in the

857
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 1>tournament in the old days, but like one of them

858
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't even join the tournament, the other already busted. Like

859
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 1>nobody's like trying to like angle anybody out of money.

860
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Like there's a lot of trust. I would say everyone generally,

861
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.400
<v Speaker 1>like has been bowling before, so would have some sort

862
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of estimate of what they're gonna get. And originally we'd

863
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:19.199
<v Speaker 1>have a sheet pen and paper. We'd make random teams

864
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 1>using an Orang like random number generator, like let's say

865
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.800
<v Speaker 1>four highest numbers on one team, four lowest, and we'd

866
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 1>handicap our scores, like what do you think you're gonna get?

867
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.960
<v Speaker 1>And then let's say, like my handicap is one eighty

868
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and I bowl like a one eighty three, I'd be

869
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 1>plus three for the team. Right is how it initially started.

870
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 2>And who's who's in the core bowling group? Which players?

871
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, now it's like twenty people.

872
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Let's let's let's hear something.

873
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's say uh, I mean, do you want to just

874
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 1>say some if you? Pretty much? I don't want to

875
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>say everyone. I don't know twenty guys that play poker

876
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:56.760
<v Speaker 1>go every day. Like, Uh, let's say Nick Seward, Michael Burke,

877
00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Jesse Lonis, Bucky, Nick Schulman, Chewy, Eric Baldwin, Miles Malally,

878
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Jim Collapee. Uh, you could dish out some names. I

879
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.159
<v Speaker 1>mean there's twenty and I named nine.

880
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:14.119
<v Speaker 2>It's already a phenomenal crew.

881
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, oh my god, I'm drawing a blank. But everybody,

882
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Darren Rabinowitz, Danny Cepiel, you got any names from me?

883
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they're there.

884
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never been invited, but I'd left to come watch

885
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 2>to say a.

886
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.880
<v Speaker 1>G to the chat. I mean, it's literally nineteen or

887
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty names.

888
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm just so you guys started with like teams with

889
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>with your hands.

890
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Started random teams. We'd have our handicaps and uh, if

891
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.039
<v Speaker 1>you beat your handicap, your plus that amount for the team.

892
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 1>It was initially it was like five hundred a man

893
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.920
<v Speaker 1>on teams, but then obviously their side action. You know,

894
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 1>you got me and Jesse there, and Jesse's like, who

895
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.519
<v Speaker 1>wants to bet me? Individually? And like we both grew

896
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 1>up like athletes playing sports. Like I'm not gonna say no,

897
00:46:56.920 --> 00:46:59.159
<v Speaker 1>like a clue, how is he gonna beat me? So like,

898
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.760
<v Speaker 1>let's say my handp is like five better than him,

899
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm spotting him five. So we also will have that bet,

900
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and then everybody just man literally, everybody just bets everybody.

901
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty uh.

902
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>How loud does it get.

903
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.280
<v Speaker 1>When me or Burke get a strike? The whole bowling

904
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>alley hears it? For sure, I would say. Then it

905
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:25.239
<v Speaker 1>became I'm not gonna name their name, but somebody thought,

906
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 1>you know what, there's so much action getting down, like

907
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>let's really make this uh, let's really make this legit. Well,

908
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:36.639
<v Speaker 1>we are in the league. But also, oh hold on,

909
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't name Ryan Reese before he fucking bowled the

910
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 1>perfect Game. So Ryan Reese is there.

911
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Where there's some multipliers attached to the payout that he received.

912
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, luckily, I wasn't there that night, but a

913
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.320
<v Speaker 1>lot of side actions. Somebody created like a bowling sports

914
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>book where oh yeah, and also the handicaps were adjusted

915
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.039
<v Speaker 1>each game. So let's say someone, you know, I mean,

916
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.199
<v Speaker 1>you just bowl with everybody. We'd get a few oh

917
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 1>sean Winter, big bowler. You just see how everyone's bowling,

918
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and the handicaps get adjusted, so it's always fair. Sam

919
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Laskwitz is there. I'm just popping out these names that

920
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I forgot. Nobody's hustling anybody. It's all very fair, zero

921
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 1>ev gambling and uh. But somebody created a bowling book

922
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 1>where everyone has like an over under. David Coleman was there.

923
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.599
<v Speaker 1>You have an over under. You have matchups. So like

924
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 1>Ryan being the best bowler, let's say he's versing like, oh,

925
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 1>big Hooney. Let's say he's versing Big Hooney, right this,

926
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Actually I'm not going to say who someone got buried

927
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 1>on a game like this. Ryan Reese is like a

928
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.440
<v Speaker 1>minus six hundred favorite versus Hooney straight up, Like you

929
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:53.880
<v Speaker 1>can also bet on Hooney plus five hundred or whatever

930
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 1>with this guy who's making the book. Somebody took Ryan

931
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty big one game and it did not work out

932
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>for them. Wow, So you can just bet on anything

933
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 1>at the bowling alley. And it became really big, and

934
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 1>bowling just became a thing like I don't want to

935
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 1>say every night, but a few times a week where

936
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:15.039
<v Speaker 1>just after the tournaments, if people have busted, still looking

937
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 1>for action, like we're going to the bowling alley, Like

938
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>we're having a good time at the bowling alley. Bowling betting.

939
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>It got so big that people that were still in

940
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the tournament or have a wife or something and couldn't

941
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 1>get out of the house that night. We were live

942
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.960
<v Speaker 1>streaming it, so you can still get action down on

943
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.199
<v Speaker 1>the book if you weren't there betting on whoever. And

944
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 1>it just yeah, it became like a really big thing.

945
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.000
<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. So do you go out and like when

946
00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no bowling night, you go out and throw some

947
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>balls just to stay sharp?

948
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Me personally, I don't do that. It's just like I

949
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I just have a fun time going with

950
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.199
<v Speaker 1>my friends, like betting on team versus team or myself

951
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 1>versus them. But there are definitely some guys I'm not

952
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 1>going to call them out who have like gotten lessons

953
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.320
<v Speaker 1>like wow, Yeah, people people try about their money.

954
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 2>It starts to look like the golf of the early

955
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, you know, and before.

956
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Now everybody is much better now than we were at

957
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>the start. Everyone you see us walking into the bowling alley,

958
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Everyone's wheeling in their balls, everyone's got shoes like it's

959
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 1>like reservoir. It's honestly like funny. I mean I used

960
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to if you asked me, like a year ago, like oh, yeah,

961
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 1>Jesse's walking into a bowling alley with his own ball,

962
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:31.159
<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, what are you talking about, Like, no,

963
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 1>he's not stop, Like I wouldn't believe it. And now

964
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>every single person has their own stuff and like they're

965
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 1>really into it. I mean, a new ball is coming

966
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 1>out that they think is gonna get them ten pins.

967
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>More like they're gonna get it. I promise.

968
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 2>This is incredible. This is honestly one of my favorite

969
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 2>sort of side shows when I'm at the studio and

970
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 2>I just like, over here, yeah, a lot of bowling talk,

971
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.679
<v Speaker 2>bowling talk. Yeah, and first I thought you guys were kidding,

972
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's actually legit.

973
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:56.639
<v Speaker 1>It is for real.

974
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love it. Well, hopefully we'll get some footage

975
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 2>of that one day. I'm sure there's lots of footage

976
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that we can't use because there's some Shenanigan's happening.

977
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a lot of a lot of stuff, maybe not

978
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 1>for TV going on out there.

979
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is fantastic how you guys like have

980
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 2>built like a big camaraderie even though you guys battle

981
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 2>each other for thin edges at the poker table.

982
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.039
<v Speaker 1>It really is crazy to think about because we're playing

983
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like these big buy in tournaments. It's our job to play.

984
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 1>We want to beat each other, but like off the table,

985
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 1>even on the table like friendly wise like everyone I

986
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know, everybody just gets along and it's much better

987
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>this way. I mean, if we didn't like each other,

988
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it would be sitting at the table like at the Venetian,

989
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe no one would be talking. Instead we're at the

990
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.480
<v Speaker 1>table having a good time, like talking shit like I mean,

991
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 1>someone makes like a bad call on the river or

992
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.760
<v Speaker 1>something and double someone up like you might hear like

993
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 1>someone throwing like a good call like jokingly, just like

994
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and it really does make it way more fun. But

995
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 1>it is crazy to like think about, like we're playing

996
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 1>these guys for so much money, but we all really

997
00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 1>want to see each other do well, is it possible

998
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.800
<v Speaker 1>for everyone to do well. Like, I don't know in

999
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.559
<v Speaker 1>the long run, but like I'm not gonna ever anti

1000
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:18.679
<v Speaker 1>sweat somebody that I'm like friends with, Like obviously I

1001
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.880
<v Speaker 1>want to beat them, but if I'm not like at

1002
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the table against them, like I want to see them

1003
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 1>do well.

1004
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Truly, where do you feel like And this is maybe

1005
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a hard pivot, but where do

1006
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you feel like you stand in sort of that PGT hierarchy?

1007
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, the PGT probably the best way to sort

1008
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 2>of look at who's doing a year round, who's who's

1009
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.679
<v Speaker 2>going to the places to you know, gather points. And

1010
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>the reason I say this is because you said in

1011
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the twenty five ks you haven't been that lucky yet.

1012
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:47.639
<v Speaker 2>But it also shows me that you want to make

1013
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 2>more of an effort to play those and take those chances.

1014
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 2>So where do you feel Where do you feel like

1015
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:55.559
<v Speaker 2>you stand right now within that ecosystem? And are there

1016
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>next steps to take? Is there is there a vision

1017
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>for where you want to ultimately? And because to me,

1018
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the comfort level that you've now sort of created for

1019
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>yourself in the studio just means that this is now

1020
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the life for however long you're able to do this,

1021
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 2>But how do you see that?

1022
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I would say, like if I sit down at any

1023
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:20.920
<v Speaker 1>like big field event, like I'm gonna think I'm like

1024
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the best in the tournament for sure when

1025
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 1>you come to the studio, like it's everybody is good

1026
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 1>for the most part, and I think I try to

1027
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>portray like not like I'm hustling or something, but like

1028
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I like, I don't know if I've done it, but

1029
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 1>I like to think that I have like a pretty

1030
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>uh not whally but more so like just a I

1031
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>don't give a fuck like attitude, and I think that

1032
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.039
<v Speaker 1>suits me well and like there's some truth to it.

1033
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>But like I wouldn't be sitting at the table if

1034
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 1>like I thought I was losing money, you know, like

1035
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, like poke my job

1036
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and I'll sit at a table with pretty much anyone

1037
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and feel like I'm winning and I've had some success.

1038
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And I shouldn't say some success like I've done very

1039
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 1>well and I hope to only improve now. I would

1040
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 1>say generally, how I approach like a poker go series

1041
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.159
<v Speaker 1>is pretty much anything ten K and under like if

1042
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm in town, I'm gonna be playing the only way

1043
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.719
<v Speaker 1>not is let's say like I'm borking out a series

1044
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 1>so far, and maybe there's some like big field like

1045
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundred at like Winter Venetian and I've just had

1046
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a bad series, like maybe I would skip the last

1047
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:43.199
<v Speaker 1>couple ten k's or something to play that, but generally,

1048
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>like I'd much prefer to just be in all the

1049
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 1>ten ks and under and it's my favorite place to play.

1050
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm winning there, like I've done well, and I also

1051
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 1>think like in some pretty big spots I've gotten unlucky,

1052
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so like I think I should even be like winning more.

1053
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to higher than ten k, it's

1054
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:07.360
<v Speaker 1>really like if I'm having a good series, like sure,

1055
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I'll fire it, but like if I'm not, I'm not

1056
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>just gonna automatically sit just because like I don't know,

1057
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm very like financially responsible where I'm

1058
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.639
<v Speaker 1>not gonna like just if I'm not feeling great, like

1059
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna play something above ten k where like

1060
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:25.400
<v Speaker 1>when I sit out a ten K and look around,

1061
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>like I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna win today. So hopefully

1062
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>like in the future that ten K goes up to

1063
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:34.320
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five K or fifty k, where like if

1064
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:37.239
<v Speaker 1>it's running, I'm in, you know, at this time, like

1065
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel very comfortable ten k and under, and uh yeah,

1066
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>hopefully I feel the same about bigger buyings in the future.

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00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It's funny you say financially responsible because to many who

1068
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.920
<v Speaker 2>would listen to you talk about gambling on bowling and

1069
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>having this sort of you know, sale of the attitude

1070
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.599
<v Speaker 2>about poker from time to time, uh, sort of tied

1071
00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:03.239
<v Speaker 2>into you bringing up the fact that you've always left gambling.

1072
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>You guys are throwing dice. There's the famous story and

1073
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.360
<v Speaker 2>you can get into it about how blackcheck and sort

1074
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:14.039
<v Speaker 2>of nearly ended you financially. So has that been a

1075
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.360
<v Speaker 2>lessons learned? Have you always been conservative but you allow

1076
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.719
<v Speaker 2>yourself to sort of step outside of that? How do

1077
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.360
<v Speaker 2>you how do you approach that? Because you also mentioned,

1078
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, Josh and Daniel investing in you, So there's

1079
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things coming together here all at the

1080
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.639
<v Speaker 2>same time. How do you how do you juggle that? Well?

1081
00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I would say before, like I was not financially set,

1082
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.599
<v Speaker 1>but like before I ever had like I don't know,

1083
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 1>like real money, where like I don't need to worry

1084
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>about like rent for like a month or something like

1085
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.639
<v Speaker 1>I would have bankroll on table at any point or

1086
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.679
<v Speaker 1>like now that I'm way more comfortable and like have

1087
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.199
<v Speaker 1>a like money in the bank where like I'm not

1088
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:56.800
<v Speaker 1>worrying about like paying my bills or anything. I never

1089
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>want that to change, So I would say I'm definitely

1090
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>more responsible now we're in the past, Like I could

1091
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 1>just be broke the next day, so I never want

1092
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 1>that to ever be a thing again. So I would

1093
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 1>say also, like I don't have like I said, like

1094
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't come from money, Like there's no like backup,

1095
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Like if poker doesn't work out, It's not like I'm

1096
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.599
<v Speaker 1>going to like work for some family business, Like there

1097
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 1>is no backup. So I can't like just lose everything

1098
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.199
<v Speaker 1>that I have and like feel like it's gonna be

1099
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:26.239
<v Speaker 1>okay because it probably wouldn't be so.

1100
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.800
<v Speaker 2>And then the Blackjack story real quick, yeah, might that

1101
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.559
<v Speaker 2>have been a bit of a turning point and explain

1102
00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:32.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened there.

1103
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:36.159
<v Speaker 1>So this was like right after college, I graduated, I

1104
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>went back to New York for like ten to eleven months,

1105
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and then I got a place in Florida on my own,

1106
00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and I want to say I lost like almost eighty

1107
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 1>percent of what I had within like the first month,

1108
00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Like dabbling in blackjack, like I just randomly played one

1109
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:55.079
<v Speaker 1>night after winning huge in a cash session and just

1110
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.320
<v Speaker 1>got buried and was chasing it for like a week

1111
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and just kept digging myself a deeper hole and then

1112
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 1>had to like drop down in stakes, and uh, yeah,

1113
00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 1>that was brutal. And I didn't touch a blackjack table

1114
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.519
<v Speaker 1>or really anything in the pit for the longest time.

1115
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:15.519
<v Speaker 1>And I would say, now, actually not when like poker

1116
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.599
<v Speaker 1>is going on, but like when there's really no poker,

1117
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Like let's say we're bowling, me and a couple guys

1118
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 1>might try to hit them hard at the blackjack table

1119
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and try to spin it up, but like it's really

1120
00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 1>just like a fun thing to do with friends for entertainment,

1121
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.440
<v Speaker 1>like I'm trying to grind, like I'm not chasing any

1122
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 1>sort of money. Like, so, like I can play from

1123
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.039
<v Speaker 1>time to time now, but it's way different. Like I

1124
00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't play for fucking years because like I was scared,

1125
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:44.079
<v Speaker 1>like I would just lose all my fucking money again.

1126
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, it was one of the greatest things that

1127
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:50.039
<v Speaker 1>ever happened to me because I was able to like

1128
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:54.159
<v Speaker 1>treat poker more so as like a job and uh

1129
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:56.679
<v Speaker 1>put money away and not blow it in the pit.

1130
00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Where now like I would say, like maybe I have

1131
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a little like gambling stash and after bowling me and

1132
00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a couple guys might be like, let's fucking get them

1133
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:14.159
<v Speaker 1>tonight and we'll just chop the action three or four

1134
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>ways and just like play some blackjack. But it's totally

1135
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:20.760
<v Speaker 1>for fun and it's rare, and yes, so I shouldn't

1136
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:23.320
<v Speaker 1>say like I'll never play again, but it's a different

1137
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:24.679
<v Speaker 1>type of play, right.

1138
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:29.719
<v Speaker 2>So then the progression as far as buying levels go,

1139
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 2>did you need that support from Daniel and Josh to

1140
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:38.199
<v Speaker 2>accomplish that? Were you so comfortable that there was really

1141
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.599
<v Speaker 2>no need to move up or was there an urge

1142
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 2>to perhaps try and battle those guys and that support

1143
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 2>was necessary to feel comfortable.

1144
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.039
<v Speaker 1>Like as far as ten k's and what not going. Yeah,

1145
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.360
<v Speaker 1>So I would say initially when me and Daniel started,

1146
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 1>or me Daniel and Josh, it was just for the

1147
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.239
<v Speaker 1>world series. This was I believe it was my first

1148
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>year here years ago, and I'd always talk to like

1149
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:07.360
<v Speaker 1>mid Steaks friends that I had who were backed, and

1150
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just all of them were in the same headspace like,

1151
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, if I win this, I don't even

1152
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.039
<v Speaker 1>get any money. Like they all just sounded like they

1153
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 1>weren't like having a great time with the whole backing,

1154
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So I was almost like not super excited to get

1155
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.360
<v Speaker 1>into it. But like this is Daniel Legrand who and

1156
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.960
<v Speaker 1>josh Aria like a month gonna be like, oh, actually,

1157
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm good. I'm gonna stick to my two hundreds and

1158
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>four hundreds this summer. So initially, it like how backing

1159
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:40.199
<v Speaker 1>works is let's say, like you play a two K

1160
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.119
<v Speaker 1>and you lose, like your two K makeup and like

1161
01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:46.760
<v Speaker 1>you're always in makeup, Like you lose one tournament, you're

1162
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.360
<v Speaker 1>now in makeup and then whenever you're up. So let's

1163
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 1>say the next tournament's a one K and I cash

1164
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 1>for five. We're in for three K, so I would

1165
01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 1>pay back the three and then you chop the remaining

1166
01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 1>two is how it works, and now you're back to zero.

1167
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 1>So I'd say, initially, like I don't know, I would

1168
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 1>be in like I remember I was like twenty seven

1169
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars in makeup, which is literally nothing like less

1170
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 1>than a buy and now and I would be like,

1171
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.960
<v Speaker 1>oh my God, the second I get even like I'm

1172
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:17.159
<v Speaker 1>out of here, like I can't do this. And so

1173
01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that first summer I was a little like iffy about

1174
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>it and I didn't love it. And after the summer

1175
01:01:22.519 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 1>he offered me to like continue it, and I was like, uh,

1176
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.079
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I appreciate it so much, but like,

1177
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I just don't think it's for me, Like it was

1178
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.880
<v Speaker 1>just kind of messing with me mentally. I was almost

1179
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:38.079
<v Speaker 1>scared to play my game and potentially bust because I

1180
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't want, like to be another one thousand dollars in makeup.

1181
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.840
<v Speaker 1>A few months passed by, I think it was about

1182
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:48.960
<v Speaker 1>to be like people were bringing up like the Wind

1183
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:52.800
<v Speaker 1>December and like all these great events that were gonna

1184
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.079
<v Speaker 1>be and I'm like looking and I'm seeing I don't

1185
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.320
<v Speaker 1>really remember what my banker was at the time, but

1186
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:01.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, man, you know, it'd be nice to have

1187
01:02:01.679 --> 01:02:04.639
<v Speaker 1>that backing right now. So I texted Daniel and Josh

1188
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.840
<v Speaker 1>again like a few months later and was like, hey, uh,

1189
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:12.199
<v Speaker 1>like can we continue, Like can is this offer still good?

1190
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 1>And Uh, Luckily for me, they were still down with it,

1191
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 1>and we've just continued ever since, and it's just really

1192
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.519
<v Speaker 1>nice knowing Like let's say I would play like a

1193
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:26.760
<v Speaker 1>ten k, which would be super rare. Like let's say

1194
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like the main event. I don't know, my friends

1195
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:33.880
<v Speaker 1>would have like five percent each, like I would probably

1196
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:36.559
<v Speaker 1>only play like one bullet, Like I'm trying to be responsible,

1197
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, if you're in a tournament that like

1198
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you're not comfortable potentially rebuying, Like I just truly think

1199
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.360
<v Speaker 1>unless it's like a freeze out, like you're just drawing dead,

1200
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like you can't be scared to bust. Like sometimes like

1201
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.119
<v Speaker 1>going for this bluff or like being all in in

1202
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 1>this spot is just the right move, and if it

1203
01:02:57.159 --> 01:02:59.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work out, like you have to be willing to

1204
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 1>try again. The first poker Go tournament that I won,

1205
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it was a ten k for two hundred and fifty

1206
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.480
<v Speaker 1>five thousand, and like I remember just running some like

1207
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:13.159
<v Speaker 1>absurd bluff. I want to say. It was like while

1208
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:17.199
<v Speaker 1>registration was open for like stacks and luckily he folded

1209
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the river and it was like pretty pivotal for me

1210
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.760
<v Speaker 1>because I got short near the bubble. But like you

1211
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.320
<v Speaker 1>need chips to like win tournaments, so you need to

1212
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:31.559
<v Speaker 1>like chip up or else, like you're you're gonna lose

1213
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:33.760
<v Speaker 1>all ends, so you want to when you do lose,

1214
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:35.599
<v Speaker 1>you want to still be in the tournament. But I

1215
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:38.000
<v Speaker 1>just remember, like let's say I was playing this on

1216
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.679
<v Speaker 1>my own, like I would not have won for this bluff,

1217
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and I wouldn't have had the chips to like survive

1218
01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the bubble and then like later win the tournament. But

1219
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.519
<v Speaker 1>me knowing, like, Okay, if this doesn't work out, like

1220
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna rebuy, Like I think that's very crucial,

1221
01:03:53.039 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Like it's I think it's an advantage having a lot

1222
01:03:56.440 --> 01:03:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of money behind you where they trust your game and

1223
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 1>like you can just rebuy if it doesn't work out,

1224
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:05.760
<v Speaker 1>like that's okay, you don't need to worry about, Oh

1225
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:08.360
<v Speaker 1>this guy had five percent, Like is he in for

1226
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.280
<v Speaker 1>a second bullet? Like oh fuck, do I really want

1227
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 1>to rebuy? Like my bills are so expensive, like I

1228
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 1>could use this ten k, Like I just don't think

1229
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you can win like this long term if you're thinking

1230
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 1>like that. So for me to have Daniel and Josh

1231
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 1>behind me with a very good amount of money, I

1232
01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:30.719
<v Speaker 1>would think, and them trusting like my thought process and

1233
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.360
<v Speaker 1>playing like I think that's crucial for me, And I

1234
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 1>definitely would not have the success that I've had in

1235
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.039
<v Speaker 1>like mid and high stakes.

1236
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.440
<v Speaker 2>What do you think it initially was that made Daniel

1237
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.079
<v Speaker 2>believe in you? Because obviously there was the big battle

1238
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:48.480
<v Speaker 2>you and Lennon Tice, the studying versus more the sort

1239
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:50.840
<v Speaker 2>of live player approach, if you want to put it

1240
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 2>that way, But do you think there was a specific

1241
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.920
<v Speaker 2>conversation you had or specific moments that made him sort

1242
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:58.239
<v Speaker 2>of think like, oh, Jeremy is the guy I have

1243
01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.119
<v Speaker 2>to get behind because in a way.

1244
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, this the bet with Landon was a year after

1245
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I'd already been with Daniel and Josh, which I think

1246
01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:10.119
<v Speaker 1>people don't know. So I mean I used to, like

1247
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:12.880
<v Speaker 1>we still do now. But it's obviously you know, Daniel's

1248
01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:16.400
<v Speaker 1>super into like golfing, and he was playing way more

1249
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.480
<v Speaker 1>when we started. We used to talk fucking poker hands,

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01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:21.840
<v Speaker 1>any like spot that I had or even they had,

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01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Like we would just text in a group chat and

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01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.519
<v Speaker 1>get each other's opinions, and I think just doing that

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01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:29.360
<v Speaker 1>for like a year made him like believe in my

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01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:30.639
<v Speaker 1>thought process and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting because I also assumed that the land and

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01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:35.760
<v Speaker 2>things sort of kicked all this stuff off, But it

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01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:36.440
<v Speaker 2>was actually it.

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01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Was a year prior. Yeah, I want a bunch of

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01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like those lower by ins at winn in Venetian and

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01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:46.480
<v Speaker 1>they would post your winner's photo. And so I have

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<v Speaker 1>a theory that I don't even know is true. Daniel

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01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 1>tweeted like, oh my god, is this kid like the

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01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.880
<v Speaker 1>next like big thing in poker, Like I know it's

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<v Speaker 1>low buy ins, but this is like unheard of or

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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.960
<v Speaker 1>whatever the tweet was. But what I found out later

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01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:07.719
<v Speaker 1>was I believe Josh was the best man at his

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<v Speaker 1>friend's wedding who I had played a decent amount of

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<v Speaker 1>cash with in Florida, and I didn't know this. I

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01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:16.320
<v Speaker 1>found this out later, or maybe the other way around.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy was the best man at Josh's wedding something

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01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:22.679
<v Speaker 1>like this. And I'm gonna assume they did some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of background information on me, like whether it's talking with

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01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 1>people I've played with about like my character or my

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01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.519
<v Speaker 1>play or whatever it was, because I mean right away

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01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:35.079
<v Speaker 1>when me and Daniel started, The first time I met

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01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.280
<v Speaker 1>him was when he like dropped me off money for

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01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the World series and like it was a decent amount

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01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:42.719
<v Speaker 1>of money, like this is big trust, Like who's to

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01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 1>say I'm not taking this fucking money and just getting

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01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:48.599
<v Speaker 1>out of town or something, you know, and like no

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<v Speaker 1>questions on Like initially, I think I could play like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember, maybe it was like five kN under

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01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:59.159
<v Speaker 1>or something, just no questions asked, and if I wanted

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01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to play like a ten to ask them where, I mean,

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01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you got to have a lot of trust, I would think.

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<v Speaker 1>And we just texted, we were called. We hadn't like

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01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:11.000
<v Speaker 1>met yet. Yeah, so I'm gonna assume they like did

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01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.400
<v Speaker 1>their due diligence behind the scenes. So my theory is

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01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:19.280
<v Speaker 1>that like Josh set all of this up and knew

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01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.679
<v Speaker 1>that I wouldn't be able to like say no to

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01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Daniel because they're like great friends, business partners, whatever it

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01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:27.800
<v Speaker 1>may be. But honestly, I've never even talked to them

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01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 1>about it, so I don't know, like what made Daniel

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01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.239
<v Speaker 1>put out that tweet and get in contact with me.

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01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It's so fascinating how you sort of paved your own

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01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:40.719
<v Speaker 2>way with those results. You got noticed, and you didn't

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01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:43.280
<v Speaker 2>just get noticed by, you know, a random scout on

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<v Speaker 2>the sidelines. No, it was like Dane Legrano. Yeah, maybe

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01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:48.119
<v Speaker 2>maybe whether it was through Josh or not, they were

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01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.679
<v Speaker 2>obviously like very close friends. But if you sort of

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01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:54.960
<v Speaker 2>think back of your maybe your poker fan self back

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01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:57.840
<v Speaker 2>in the day to then land in that position, it

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01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:58.800
<v Speaker 2>must be pretty surreal.

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01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean I've remember I didn't believe it. I

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01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.760
<v Speaker 1>was playing basketball. I'd only been in Vegas like a

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01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:08.440
<v Speaker 1>month or two before, like he contacted me, and I

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01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:12.039
<v Speaker 1>remember I finished playing and I looked at my phone

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01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and I had like all these messages for multiple people

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01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:20.119
<v Speaker 1>being like did you see Daniel's tweet? And like I thought,

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01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:22.279
<v Speaker 1>like someone's running some sort of bit on me, Like

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01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand, Like what are you talking about? They

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01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 1>were like look, and he basically said what I said

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01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:31.199
<v Speaker 1>before about it being like impressive, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I remember the tweet.

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01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he offered me like a stake for the WSOP,

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01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:37.920
<v Speaker 1>which was like a month or two later, and we

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01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:42.319
<v Speaker 1>just like talked before then and got comfortable with each other,

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01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.039
<v Speaker 1>I think, And yeah, I mean the rest is history,

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01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and gladly it's really worked out. And I mean if

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01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:51.399
<v Speaker 1>I came to Vegas playing two and four hundred dollars

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01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.000
<v Speaker 1>tournaments like literally just trying to get by, and now like,

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01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.439
<v Speaker 1>for instance, I'm playing golf with Daniel, Josh and Danny

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01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 1>Cpeel to we're gonna be gambling, I'm sure, and like

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01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 1>then the World Series is coming up and I could

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01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:09.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty much play any event I want in part to

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01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Daniel and Josh. And it's like if you told me

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01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:15.239
<v Speaker 1>this a few years ago, like it truly wouldn't even

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01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:20.520
<v Speaker 1>be believable, like I would I'd be like a good one,

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01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:23.920
<v Speaker 1>like see you at the win six hundred like, but

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01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.399
<v Speaker 1>now like I can just play a ten k and

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01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm golfing with fucking Daniel and Josh, who when I

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01:09:28.840 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 1>was getting into poker, I'm watching them on fucking TV

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01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:34.319
<v Speaker 1>playing and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's also that's also established for the viewers at

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01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:39.399
<v Speaker 2>home that you are probably talking just as much shit

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01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.239
<v Speaker 2>to Daniel and Josh on the golf course or at

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01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:45.439
<v Speaker 2>the poker table, because you know, you're, you're, you're friends

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01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:47.800
<v Speaker 2>with these guys. Now it's it's no longer that you

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01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.000
<v Speaker 2>know they are somewhere out there and you're you're, you

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01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.279
<v Speaker 2>know this guy who is just getting started, you like

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01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 2>you're you're one of the guys.

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01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean obviously I'm not like in their class,

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01:09:56.479 --> 01:09:59.479
<v Speaker 1>like their careers, like they're like Poker Hall of famers,

1344
01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.880
<v Speaker 1>like I've said it a bunch, like I think the

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01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan of poker, you know, so like obviously nowhere

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01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:10.039
<v Speaker 1>like near that status, but yeah, like it's not crazy

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01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:11.640
<v Speaker 1>that like I can sit in a golf cart with

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01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Daniel and like just be talking about life with him,

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01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Like we're like somewhat like business partners, I would say,

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01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and like also friends, like we if I ever needed something,

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01:10:23.359 --> 01:10:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like whether it's financial or like just about life, like

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01:10:28.079 --> 01:10:30.319
<v Speaker 1>I believe that he would be there for me. And

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01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.680
<v Speaker 1>like that's just crazy to think about because he's like

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01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 1>when I was getting into poker, like watching him was

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01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:40.119
<v Speaker 1>like I'm very into basketball, would be like watching Michael Jordan.

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01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Like I can't imagine like being like this with Michael Jordan,

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01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's really the same thing. It's uh crazy that

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01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I have him as a person to like just be

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01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:52.600
<v Speaker 1>with me along the way and help me out, Like

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01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.439
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be in the position I am without him,

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01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to wrap up with this, and it's been

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01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:06.159
<v Speaker 2>super interesting conversation. But with how you seemingly have unlocked

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01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:09.159
<v Speaker 2>something new every single year or made some sort of progression,

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01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:10.800
<v Speaker 2>where do you see this going? Where do you want

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01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 2>this to go, do you see yourself as like a

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01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.760
<v Speaker 2>lifer in this world? Your passion for the game, you know,

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01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 2>has almost no equal because of how much time you

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01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:22.159
<v Speaker 2>put in at the live felt, which not many people

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01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:25.359
<v Speaker 2>can stomach for that many years. So how does the

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<v Speaker 2>the poker life of Jeremy Becker revolve from here on out?

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01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I would say, and I've definitely made an effort to

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01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:38.039
<v Speaker 1>do this in playing much less low stakes poker, really

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01:11:38.079 --> 01:11:41.079
<v Speaker 1>making an effort to play just like the good mid

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01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:45.520
<v Speaker 1>steak stuff and higher buy and stuff, because I truly do,

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01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 1>like want to be one of the best at this level.

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01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:51.399
<v Speaker 1>And to me, like, I think experience is worth a

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01:11:51.439 --> 01:11:54.319
<v Speaker 1>ton and that's really the only way I'm going to

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01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.760
<v Speaker 1>be able to do it. People used to ask me,

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01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:00.319
<v Speaker 1>let's say, like a year ago, oh, do you see

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01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.479
<v Speaker 1>yourself like going to like an EPT or going to

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01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:07.600
<v Speaker 1>like Triden just basically like traveling the world playing And

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01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, Like, dude, i live two minutes

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01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:14.560
<v Speaker 1>from the casino in Vegas, Like I'm just gonna play

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01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:18.960
<v Speaker 1>sports like gamble on some basketball like and play poker.

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01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:23.800
<v Speaker 1>And now like like I could see myself playing Trident's

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01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 1>one day or going to like Barcelona for like a

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01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.079
<v Speaker 1>big series. Like I've never really cared what people think,

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01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:33.199
<v Speaker 1>and I really do try to like portray like not

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01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.199
<v Speaker 1>a whaling mentality, but just like, oh, I don't care,

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01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.199
<v Speaker 1>how like I don't fucking know what these charts say,

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01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:42.880
<v Speaker 1>and like that's true, but like I don't know, let's say,

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01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.520
<v Speaker 1>in like twenty thirty years, like I would like to

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01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:48.199
<v Speaker 1>be talked about as like one of the best poker

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01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:51.560
<v Speaker 1>players there were, and I think to do that, like

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01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.279
<v Speaker 1>I just need to play bigger and bigger, and uh

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01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.720
<v Speaker 1>obviously I would like to uh get like rich rich

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01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.399
<v Speaker 1>from poker. That would be great, like playing a fucking

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01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:04.239
<v Speaker 1>game that I love. But yeah, like I'm not trying

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01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:07.279
<v Speaker 1>to just hit and run poker, make millions and then

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01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just like leave on some island. Like I'm trying to

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01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:13.239
<v Speaker 1>make all that money so that I can play bigger

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01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and bigger tournaments basically just like reinvesting in myself on

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01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the poker table. And uh so, yeah, I just want

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01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.760
<v Speaker 1>to play more high stakes poker and almost have a

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01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:27.159
<v Speaker 1>reputation in these fields like I do in like mid

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01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:28.640
<v Speaker 1>steaks low stakes fields.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to go on the record here that

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01:13:31.239 --> 01:13:34.840
<v Speaker 2>I want to purchase the rights to Jeremy Becker goes

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01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.279
<v Speaker 2>to Europe if that becomes a documentary, because that would

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01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:38.399
<v Speaker 2>be a phenomenal watch.

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01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:40.079
<v Speaker 1>There'd be some material there.

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01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:43.319
<v Speaker 2>We might have to put it behind the paywall for it.

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01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if I'm sitting at the table with some

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01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 1>euro who's fucking waiting till one second on the clock

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01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 1>left to make every action, He's gonna hear it from me. Like,

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01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.399
<v Speaker 1>as much as I try to be nice and friendly

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01:13:55.479 --> 01:13:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with everyone, the unnecessary tanking is not for me. And

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01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 1>apparently there's a lot of that out there.

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01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:03.920
<v Speaker 2>So well, you did not hesitate for one second answer

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01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.920
<v Speaker 2>any of these questions. I really appreciate it, Jeremy Becker.

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01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 2>It's been a pleasure having you on the show the

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01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:13.279
<v Speaker 2>very first In this series, we'll have weekly episodes like Subscribe,

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01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:15.840
<v Speaker 2>leave a common to all that good stuff follow Jeremy

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01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:19.119
<v Speaker 2>on socials, will have links in the description. And all

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<v Speaker 2>that rests me to say, is you know, go win

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01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:21.399
<v Speaker 2>a bracelet or something.

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01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hope. So I'm gonna have a good amount

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01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:26.319
<v Speaker 1>of money down on myself this summer.

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01:14:26.359 --> 01:14:29.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to prop bets, side bets. What's what's going on?

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01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just I'm into the whole fantasy league that Daniel runs.

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01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:37.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll have some side bets on myself, just like winning

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01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:42.319
<v Speaker 1>a bracelet versus others. Every year I've said, like I mean,

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01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:44.399
<v Speaker 1>I say every year, it's been three years, like, oh,

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01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to play wsop, and then a couple of

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01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:50.439
<v Speaker 1>days in I'm like, okay, I'm going to the win,

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01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:53.840
<v Speaker 1>just like the whole playing experience, but now I'm playing bigger.

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01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:57.920
<v Speaker 1>They have the app. You're not waiting around on these

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01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:02.680
<v Speaker 1>lines like you were. Generally you get better like dealers

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01:15:02.720 --> 01:15:06.920
<v Speaker 1>in the higher buyings and fantasy points. I mean, I'm

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01:15:06.960 --> 01:15:09.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be chasing it as well as money obviously.

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01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:13.319
<v Speaker 2>So what's the worth of wind to bracelet as outside

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01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 2>of the tournament payout? What do we got going here?

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01:15:17.479 --> 01:15:20.880
<v Speaker 1>I really am not too sure yet. We're a little

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01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:25.159
<v Speaker 1>over a week away, but it's gonna be worth a lot,

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01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.880
<v Speaker 1>but not even just for like that, like I want

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01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:31.880
<v Speaker 1>to win it, like for me and like Daniel and

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01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.079
<v Speaker 1>Josh and just like like I'm gonna be very committed

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01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:38.199
<v Speaker 1>to WSOP this summer and I'm gonna put my money

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01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.720
<v Speaker 1>where my mouth is and try to back it up

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01:15:41.000 --> 01:15:41.399
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty six Bracelet or Jeremy Becker. Thanks for coming,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for watching,