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Speaker 1: All right, Happy Saturday, everybody. Good morning, hobby friends. Welcome

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to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three nineteen of Hobby Hotline.

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I'm your host, Logan Ward, and with me today is

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first of all, hobby Icon mister Steegum himself, Chris Harris.

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Speaker 2: I'm a hobby Icon.

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Speaker 3: Really you are, You're a hobby I caon.

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Speaker 2: No, I never heard anybody refer to me. I'm honored.

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Speaker 3: It's good to see you.

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Speaker 1: And of course, uh, the man who needs no introduction,

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the han solo of the Hobby mister Uncle rich Klein.

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Speaker 4: How you doing so three nineteen? We would leave the

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National League in batting average.

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Speaker 3: Yes we would. And uh, happy Roshashana.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the shaatvaswall are Jewish friends for are listening.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure that we've got Rex and Crew on

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the big screen, So shout out to those guys, and uh,

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I guess before we really get started, I do want

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to say one thing that our thoughts and prayers are

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with the people that were affected by Hurricane Helene. That

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was just a devastating storm and I cannot imagine what

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these people are going through.

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Speaker 3: But our thoughts and prayers go out to them.

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Speaker 4: Indeed very destructive storm. I mean when you read the

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when you read the data about it, forty like trillion

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gallons of water some just number that's like in you know,

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just mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to see how it lifted up structures and

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breached dams and all the things that it did, it

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is You're right, it's mind boggling to think of what

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happened and how all that happened.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's just terrible. I'll say that.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you think hurricane in North Carolina, you

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usually think the outer Banks and Cape Fear and Wilmington

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in that area, and not the mountains of Asheville. So yeah, well,

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we're living in a new world thanks to global warming,

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and unfortunately, some of these big storms that dump a

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lot of rain in places that aren't exactly built to

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handle it are going to become a little more common.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I saw last night on the news

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they were showing a map of the probabilities of being

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flooded in North Carolina and Ashville and up in that

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area was like one percent, and they said people just

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didn't have flood insurance and it was just apocalyptic, you know,

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it was unbelievable. All right, So I guess we can

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get started with the show this morning. I guess the

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first thing that we want to talk about. I guess

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it's the big elephant in the room is unfortunately we

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lost Pete Rose this week, and I kind of want

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to talk about Pete Rose and his hobby legacy, his cards.

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You know, is he going to get in the Hall

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of Fame?

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Speaker 3: You think?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll put it to you Chris first, what

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do you think about you know, Pete Rose's hobby legacy

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and you know, have you ever had any interactions with

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him anything like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the sixty three sixty three Tops rookie

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card was really the first big rookie card in the

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hobby when rookie cards started to become a thing in

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the late seventies. And it was also the first really

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nastly counterfeited card out there. I mean, there's still a

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lot of card of a counterfeit sixty three tops Pete

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Rose cards out there. Yeah, that card really kicked off

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the rookie mania. I don't know if that's the word

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of the hobby in the late seventies, and we haven't

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looked back since.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, you know, in the late seventies how

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big of a card that was. And of course that's when,

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like you said, the rookie card craze was going on,

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and that's when all the hype for the Mickey Mantle

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rookie card started. And I do remember all that and

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that sixty three tops is a great card.

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Speaker 3: So rich, What are your memories of Pete Rose?

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Speaker 4: Well, one thing about Pete Rose. Pete Rose is this

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generation's Bob Feller. He constantly did public appearances. If he

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wasn't doing the show, he was signing in Las Vegas

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almost every day, and because so many people travel Las Vegas,

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a lot of people got to meet him. And one

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of my friends, Joey Casey, would be a lot of

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times the person who sat with him in Las Vegas,

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and he had nothing but good things to say. How

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Pete interacted with his pants. Pete did a show last weekend,

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you know, and it was part of or five I

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think there were five people from the Big Red Machine,

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Dave Concepcion, George Foster, Tony Perez, and Ken Griffy seen

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you were all at the show. And there's a photo

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that I'm taking together and you see Rose in a wheelchair,

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but he's literally seeing fans until the day he passed.

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And Pete Rose, just like Bob Feller, Bob Feller's role

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in life after all that was to be Bob Feller.

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Pete Rose was Pete Rose, and he you know, would

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cost money to see him, yes, but he understood the

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fans who loved him loved him. And there's two distinct things.

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who's a first ballot Hall of Famer, no questions asked.

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And there's Pete Rose and the manager who technically never

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bet against the Reds, but he didn't bet them to

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win every game. And if you're a smart booky and

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you're the one he's booking at and you don't hear

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Pete Rose betting to win that game, you lay off

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money that you think the Reds will lose that game.

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And that's really the problem with the Pete Rose gambling saga.

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And what makes it difficult today is major League Baseball,

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and not just Major League Baseball, but all the other

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sports are so intertwined now with DraftKings and all these

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draft gambling places that those didn't exist in those days,

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there were very strict rules. Now there may be strict

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rules for the players, but the leagues are taking so

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much money for gambling. It's like, hey, what you did

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was wrong then, how is it wrong now? And that's

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where I have real sympathy for Pete Rose in the

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Hall of Fame because what he did was wrong in

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nineteen eighty eight, but is it really still wrong in

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twenty twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with that. You know, everybody's become

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really relaxed on gambling now. It's so pervasive. It's everywhere

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I see. I get so and he adds on my

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phone all the time for hey, bet, MGM, bet, ESPN,

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bet whoever. And uh, you know, I think that if

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they it happened now, would be you know, a different

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They look at it differently with Pete Rose, for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, Rich mentioned that Pete never bet on the

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Reds to lose. He always bet on them to win.

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And some people might be thinking to themselves, well, how

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exactly is that a bad thing he's betting on him

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to win? Well, he basically ruined the careers of Mario

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Sodo and Jose Rio by over using them. And if

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you don't know who Mario Sodo was. He was one

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of the best starting pitchers of the early eighties. And

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then Pete Rose becomes the manager and he throws them

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out there every four days on four days rest. He

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was never the pitcher saying starting pitcher. Again, you look

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at also some of the ways he used his bullpen

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on games that we know he bet on. He would

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throw like John Franco, who was his closer, and pitch

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him in the seventh and have him pitch the last

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two and a third inning and he almost Yeah, he

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almost ruined his career too. So yes, betting on your

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own team does lead to negative externalities to some of

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your other players, and that is a bad thing. So

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one other thing that I wanted to bring up with

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Pete Rose is that, and this is something that really

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has gone under the radar this year, is that earlier

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this year, Tops made I believe, the first officially licensed

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card of Pete Rose in like thirty plus years, in

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this year's Bowman set. And I think one of the

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reasons why people didn't notice that is that it was

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short printed to such a degree that nobody could really

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find it. It was all part of that first Bowman

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they did it with Babe Ruth and Johnny Bench last year,

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and this year they had one for Pete and I

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want to say Carl Yastremsky, And there are actually outstanding

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autograph redemptions for Pete Rose cards from Tops this year

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and I don't know if they've been fulfilled yet or

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if they ever will be, so yeah, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: In two thousand and one there was an Upper Deck

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set where they had redemptions for Willie Starvill signed cards.

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Willie Stargel literally passed like the day before the new

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Pirate Stadium opened, and so that's another redemption that can

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never exist. And that happens every once in a while,

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I believe. And sometimes you signed the cards and then

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they get released after you passed. There was a ninety

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four with Don Drysdale, one of these you know, major

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company mail away things and Don Drysdale as signed cards,

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and I think there's a ninety seven Top Stars card

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of Richie Ashburn and I think he passed before he

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could sign the card. So every once in a while

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you get these situations and that puts a card company

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to behind too. You don't have the cards and you're

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not getting those cards either. And if you pull that card,

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how do you make it up to the person who

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kind of wanted to, you know, skipping everything else. If

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I pulled a Pete Rose Sign card, I kind of

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want a Pete ro Sign card. Forget whether you know

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where he's right now, but you want the card you

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actually pulled. So what's your replacement going to be? That

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actually happened to me. And I've told the story with

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a Twins card for Mike Mustaks. That was twenty ten

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Tops Chrome I pulled out of a Chrome update. I

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pulled out of a box when I was doing box

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reviews for Sports Collectors Daily. Eventually Tops sent me a

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replacement car Oscar Tavaris after he died in the after

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he died in a car crash. I mean, there was

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thank goodness. Actually at the time, I was active on

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the Beckett message boards and there was somebody who actually

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collected every Oscar toa Veris card and was happy to

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get that card in trade. But other than that, where

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was I going with that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You know that was like that was a case where

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am I going with the card you just sent me? Fortunately,

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in my case, since it really didn't cust me anything.

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It was like, okay, fine, and I got something out

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of it. But other people might not have had quite

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the same singing reception to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at some of the comments here, a lot

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of people are okay with Pete Rose getting it into

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the Hall of Fame. I personally think he should be

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in the Hall of Fame. Let me read something from

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Wikipedia real quick, just talking about Pete Rose.

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Speaker 3: It says Rose was a switch hitter.

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Speaker 1: In his Major League baseball's all time leader in hits

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with two hundred and fifty six games played three five

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hundred and sixty two at bats fourteen thousand and fifty

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three singles three two hundred and fifteen and outs ten thousand,

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three hundred and twenty eight. He won three World Series,

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three batting titles, one MVP, two Gold Gloves, and was

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Rookie of the Year in nineteen sixty three. He made

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seventeen All Star appearances in an unequaled five positions second base,

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left fielder, right fielder, third baseman, and first baseman, and

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he won his two Gold Gloves in sixty nine to seventy.

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Speaker 2: So he was.

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Speaker 1: People don't really realize I think sometimes what a heck

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of a player.

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Speaker 3: He really was.

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Speaker 4: He's also the first person to ever play five hundred

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and more games at five different positions.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's amazing. He had an amazing career. He

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has all the credentials for the Hall of Fame, no doubt.

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But you know, since you know, I heard a lot

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of people over the year say they're probably not going

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to let him in until he passes.

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Speaker 3: So now that he's passed, do you think that the

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committee's going to go? Okay?

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Speaker 1: You know, he never got to see himself being Hall

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of Fame, but now we'll put him in the Hall

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of Fame.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, he has to be reinstated by

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the commissioner.

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Speaker 4: It's also a permanent band, not a lifetime not a

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lifetime band. I actually looking at our friend both Spencer

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Thompson's one Million Cubs Project post. I have the person

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I really have the most sympathy on that list is

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Joe Jackson. Joe was known for not being as smart.

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hundred years ago. He may have not understood all the

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ramifications the way other people did. And so I have

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sympathy for Joe Jackson, you know, Yeah, he might have

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more sympathy more than a Bonds or Maguire or Clemens

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that had pretty good knowledge of what you know, if

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they were putting things into their body, they knew what

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they were doing. Joe Jackson I have more sympathy more

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than any of the other people mentioned. Yes, And I

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think if anybody goes in, he goes in first, then

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then you then once he goes in, and then you

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can start thinking about other people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: If Pete does go in, though, you do have to

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mention on his plaque he was just he bet on

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that he bet on baseball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think you also have to mention for

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Pete Rose. Not only that, but you know, it's how

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does he get in because a lot of the players

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don't want a lot of the people on the Veterans

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Committee dunk want him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that he's I don't think he's eligible to

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be elected by the Writers because it's been too long.

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So it's going to way past the Writers. It's only

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going to have to be a Veterans Committee. And to

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get twelve out of sixteen on that committee is especially

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when they're Yeah, a lot of those guys, guys that

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he played with, you know, they they've they've already said no.

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So it could very well be a while. It could

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be long after we're gone that he gets in.

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Speaker 3: So yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, and by the way, I want to say, I

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see Rex has us up on the big screen, So

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thank you. Rexs always yes, And I'm just curious since

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we have Rex here and he's got a very very active,

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very good stores, has he seen any increase this week

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in cells? Have people asked him for Pete Rose cards?

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Has he seen any sales? Has he done anything you

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know for selling Pete Rose carts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, make a comment there, Rex and let us know,

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or you can call into the show. As a matter

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of fact, I probably need to put a link up

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for people who want to try to call into the show.

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Speaker 3: Do that real quick.

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Speaker 1: And while I'm doing that, I've had some pretty good

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interactions with Pete Rose over the years. Every time that

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I ever met him personally, he was very cordial, very nice.

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Speaker 3: You know, he signed autographs and you know, no problem.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that I remember when I was

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a kid, we went to Riverfront Stadium in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 3: And this is during Hank Aaron's home run chase. Right.

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Speaker 1: He was you know, in like the seven tens or

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whatever when we were there, but we were sitting out

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in left field. Pete Rose was out in left field,

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and me and my cousin we were relentless. We kept

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yelling at Pete Rose to turn around and look at

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us and stuff. And we kept yelling at him the

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whole time, and he was ignoring us. And then finally, uh,

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he turned around and he pumped his fist at us

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and like yeah, and uh for you know, a thirteen

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year old kid. I mean, we were it was we

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were over the moon.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It was one of the greatest things ever. So that

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that was really cool. In fact, I've got let me

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show you real quick. I've got my uh my ticket

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from that from that actually from that that game. If

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I can find it real quick on the thing here,

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I'll show you guys real quick. I got my p

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s A ticket encapsulated and that's the actual ticket that

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I had from that from that game where we were

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at and I think, uh, Hank Aaron, he almost hit

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a home run that day.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: It hit the yellow stripe on top of the left

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field fence, and we thought we were going to see

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a home run that day, but we did, and it

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was like it would have been like, I think, seven

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hundred and eleven home run. So but that that was

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really cool. I'll never never forget that. That's that's a

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memory that I've got etched for life.

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Speaker 4: You realize, if Aaron hit a home run that day,

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baseball history would have been changed because instead of entering

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the seventy four season with seven hundred and thirteen homers,

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he would have had seven hundred and fourteen and the

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homer he had an opening day would have would have

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broken the record, not the one he had off al

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Downing on the Monday night baseball game NBC.

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Speaker 1: Carried and I remember that night. I was sitting downstairs

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with my dad watching that game and it was one

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of the craziest things ever. We had some friends that

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lived We lived in Louisville at the time, and that's

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why we were big Red Machine fans. But we had

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some friends that had lived in Louisville and they moved

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to Atlanta and in the background we saw them running

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on the field they were down actually hit that game.

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Speaker 3: So it was amazing.

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Speaker 4: Well that that you know, that was one of the

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first times where people ran onto the field, and the

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first time because it happened a lot the sixty nine

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World Series. At the end of sixteen nine World Series,

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the Mets fans over Ranshay Stadium. But these two kids

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run onto the field and if an Aaron is seriously

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concerned that they're going to do something, thank goodness. All

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they wanted to do was just congratulate him. But with

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all the hate mail and all the threat death threats

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and everything Aaron went through during the season, his reaction

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was quite understandable about these two guys getting onto the

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field and running with him. They didn't know. But as

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I said, thankfully, it was minor. You know, it was

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literally a minor inconvenience and not something that could have

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been much worse. I mean, thirty five years later, Tom Gimboa,

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coaching for the White Sox, got assaulted while coaching at

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first base by a couple guys who a father son

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combo who ran onto the field. So you never know,

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and no matter how good your security is, and we

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can there's a lot of hobby a lot there's a

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lot of the hobby news this week has unfortunately been

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around thefts and that then, but you never know what's

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gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: No, that's that's very true.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Rex says that he said people asking

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about Pete Rose cards and Memoravidy this week, but they

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haven't had a huge spike in sales. Of course, he

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does have a ton of autos out there. I remember

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going buying a blaster box to get his auto at Target,

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So that should tell you how many autos he's got

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out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, Brian graysons he had no he could not be

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on a licensed baseball card. There was a Brian Gray.

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I believe Pete Rose product in the eighties. I believe

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a company called ASA, which was one of these companies

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all related to the Ronado Glasso Group and the TCMA group,

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and they're all kind of sort of into related. They

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had a Pete Rose set I believe in nineteen eighty five.

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A lot of there are Pete Rose specific sets out

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there too. I think that eighty five set had one

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hundred and twenty cards. I'm pretty sure the leaf set

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is sixty or ninety cards or something.

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Speaker 2: Didn't tops make like a box set of Pete Rose.

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Speaker 4: That's the one I'm I think think that's the one.

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I think you're right. Yeah, but I think there's an

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ASA set to. It's just there's enough. There's enough Pete

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Rose cards out there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are plenty.

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Speaker 1: In fact, speaking of Pete Rose cards, I have to

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say I'm gonna show a couple of my favorite Pete

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Rose cards. My favorite card that I like is the

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nineteen seventy two Tops Pete Row.

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Speaker 3: I love that card.

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Speaker 1: I just loved the pos I love the design. I

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just think it's a great card. And of course everybody,

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I think everybody loves seventy five tops. That was a

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great year. So those are some of my favorite cards.

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Do you have any favorite cards?

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Speaker 2: Chris Well, I'm more partial to his time with the

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Phillies because that's I I was six years old when

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the Phillies won the World Series in nineteen eighty. And

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you know, the Phillies were a good team in the

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late seventies, but they kept bombing out in the League

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Championship series. So they went out and got a ringer.

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They went out and got Pete Rose, and finally, after

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ninety seven years on a World Series that was only.

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Speaker 4: The second time they were in the World Series. I

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think in the third time in the century nineteen fifteen

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and nineteen, so that's only the third time, you know,

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during the World Series era they were even in the

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World Series. And then they show up again in eighty three.

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And one of the big things in eighty three is

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Rose got benched for a day to put in Tony Perez,

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who was even older than he was. Yeah, I mean,

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you know, it's like it was a big thing. I

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remember it became okay, you're benching Rose, You're benching Rose. Well,

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as a baseball move, it was probably the right thing,

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but in terms of doing, you know, creating unnecessary distraction,

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it probably wasn't. One couple of things. One card I'm

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always been partial to on the Pete Rose is a

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sixty four card. It's his first card by himself, you know,

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in a major manufacturer. Plus it has the top all

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Star logo, the all Star rookie logo on it. It's

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actually a freely attractive card. And then Chris is talking

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about the Phillies well, and Chris should know what his

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first Phillies card is.

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Speaker 2: Seventy nine Burger King correct, not the regular Tops correct.

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Speaker 4: Seventy nine Regular Tops is a is a Reds card,

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and I believe that the OPG card may also say

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now with Phillies, but the first card of him in

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the Phillies uniform is the Phil is the Burger King card.

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Speaker 1: Let me uh, I'm gonna put in uh the link

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the show and the chat. So if anybody wants to

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call in, feel free to call in and.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us.

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about just dobou anything you guys

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want to talk about.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, uh, I hate I hate seeing that.

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Speaker 1: For Pete Rose, I'm like I said, I was a

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huge fan when I was kidding him and him and

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Johnny Bench were my heroes.

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Speaker 3: I love those guys so much.

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Speaker 1: I remember getting getting my first Pete Rose card in

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seventy one.

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Speaker 3: That was that was very special.

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Speaker 1: But I have a lot, I have a lot of

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fond memories of Pete Rose, especially the one in the

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Riverfront Stadium that was that was great.

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Speaker 4: I mean when I collected when I first got my

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packs in sixty eight, Pete Rose was in that. I

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believe was in that series as well. I mean, the

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third series of sixty eight is loaded enough and if

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memory serves me, and I'll double check that now, Pete

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Rose was in that series as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think he might have been.

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Speaker 4: He was. Yep, Pete Rose was in that series as well.

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So you know that's a loaded series. You have Mantle,

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you have a bench Rooky, and you have Pete Rose

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in the same series. You know, not even counting people

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like Killebrew and Sapida. You talk about a loaded and

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yeas was in that series too. Wow, i'd be that

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is that is like tops overloaded the third and that's

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the first series I actively remember collecting Picked a pretty

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good series, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine having an open box of that that third series.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Oh if you had that today. Yeah, I mean you'd

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have a Hall of Famer in every pack or it

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should be Hall of Fame or what every pack. If

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it's like you got a bad pack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's for sure, all right.

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Speaker 4: He brings up a really good point here. If you're

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any sort of a full time dealer, you don't really

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collect cards, and if you don't really collect cards, everything's

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for sale. And the question then becomes with Pete Rose, Hey,

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did you start listing cards after he passed or were

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you're just or are you selling the inventory you've already

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posted for sale, you know, and that that's some a

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kind of a moral of the Lemon Roses case. He's

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eighty three and had been battling health issues, so it's

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00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,079
a little not like somebody when you know, coming unexpectedly,

479
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,880
so to speak. But that's that's always the moral issue

480
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,160
with cards too. How how much do you take advantage

481
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:22,400
of that?

482
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually going to bring that up.

483
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,039
Speaker 1: And you see that every time that that a famous

484
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,079
person passes, especially a sports figure with with a lot

485
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,920
of trading cards, you know, you see a lot of

486
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,480
people don't don't put r I Rest in peace whoever.

487
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,559
And they're they're they're they're posting the cards, listing the

488
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,640
cards on eBay or wherever. And I'm on the fence

489
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,519
on that. It's like, you know, that's really not a

490
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,839
great thing to take advantage of of something like that

491
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240
when somebody passes. I just because I remember, I remember

492
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,279
when Dale Earnhardt passed away in Daytona and the eBay

493
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,440
listings for for I Earned Heart where it just it

494
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,759
went from like forty thousand to one hundred thousand listings

495
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,519
of him. It just really I just thought it was

496
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,039
I just didn't think it was a good thing.

497
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,839
Speaker 3: It's it's just not a good look. That's just my thing.

498
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm reading Bo's comments right now.

499
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Bo, you've got a point. Yeah, I

500
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,000
will give you that.

501
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 2: Twenty dollars extra for the inscription of death.

502
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: Dy Hey, I still want Hey, if somebody ever posts

503
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,200
a sixty four sign Kenny Hubs for sale, I'd be

504
00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:36,000
very impressed.

505
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,279
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't think it's gonna happen.

506
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,799
Speaker 4: I don't think so either, but still be very impressed.

507
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,599
Speaker 1: But you know, these days, you know there are people

508
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,039
that there are forgerers out there that just don't know.

509
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: They just sign.

510
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:50,559
Speaker 4: You know what that car actually says in memoriam for

511
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,359
the sixty.

512
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: Four Kenny that I forgot about that.

513
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: You're right.

514
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 4: Or Jim umbricked with it. It doesn't hit on front,

515
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:59,680
but it saysn't on the back of that sixty four

516
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,400
cent Jim passed on such and such a date because

517
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,839
he played the last two seasons of his life for

518
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,799
the Houston Cold forty fives with cancer.

519
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, who is that picture? For the Yankees in two

520
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,359
thousand and six, two thousand and seven, crashed his plane

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,519
in Corey Lytle. That's right, and they had a memoriam

522
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,359
card for him that year.

523
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, corey't flying either. It scared a lot of people

524
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,680
in New York at the time because he flew in

525
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,119
a place he shouldn't have been flying in.

526
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt that. That was very, very sad.

527
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 1: All right, So, uh, I guess we can go ahead

528
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,839
and move on from Pete Rose. The next thing I

529
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
want to talk about real quick, and we can talk

530
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,759
about this quickly is Fanatics has signed Connor Bedard to

531
00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:50,359
an exclusive autograph and memorabilia d you know, here we

532
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,559
go again with Fanatics. Do you guys, what do you

533
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:54,440
guys think about that?

534
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: Chris? What are your thoughts?

535
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,599
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you're not getting autographs and Upper deck

536
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,720
and I guess this means Fanatics once in hockey, even

537
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,200
though today Yeah.

538
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 4: I read through the press release carefully and it's see

539
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,920
and maybe I read it wrong, but it' said autograph memorabilia.

540
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,759
The question is is cards autographed memorabilia or does Upper

541
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,400
Decks still have the right to have connter Bdard sign cards?

542
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,680
And if they do, then that's really no no real impact.

543
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,599
And I thought they had to deal with him signing cards.

544
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:33,039
So I'm not convinced and I could be wrong. I'm

545
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,799
not convinced that you can't have Connor Bdard signed upper

546
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,559
deck cards. What you won't have, though, is like signed

547
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:43,440
jersey cards. I suspect you won't have Connor Bdard relic

548
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,039
cards that that is what I'm guessing, but I'm not up.

549
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,920
I tried to read it very carefully to see what

550
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,160
it's set. What it said.

551
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was looking at that as well, because at

552
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,799
first it doesn't mention anything about autographs, and then later

553
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,880
on it does. It does mention autograph and I'm like,

554
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,519
I'm not exactly sure how this deal is going to work.

555
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm curious as to what it's going

556
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:10,559
to be. And Fanatics may or may not want hockey

557
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,720
because it'll be a while before before upper deck license

558
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:17,200
goes away. But if you're going to sign a hockey player,

559
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,960
you might as well sign the number one like young player,

560
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,319
considering and he had a really good rookie year despite

561
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:27,519
his one injury. Yeah, and if it really is memorabilia only,

562
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,640
then he can still sign cards. I mean, he's gonna

563
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,880
have upper deck cards, just like all of the autograph

564
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,519
exclusives Fanatics has for all these NFL quarterbacks this year.

565
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,599
Panini is still going to make cards of the people.

566
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
They may not have a lot of signatures, even though

567
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,720
we saw some stuff floating around that's in some of

568
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:47,480
their really expensive sets. There may be like CJ. Stroud

569
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,200
autographs in National Treasures, but they still can make cards

570
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,519
of the people since they have the license with the

571
00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:56,240
Players Association in the league.

572
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, what Rex says here, He says the word cards

573
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,200
is missing for reason. If there's a card deal, they

574
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,079
would be saying it loudly. So yeah, I guess this

575
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,599
is just going to be memorabilia. Uh only least at

576
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,839
least for now. We all know how the fanatics machine works.

577
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,119
We were all we've all found that out over the

578
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000
last couple of years. So yeah, I'm I don't know

579
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,359
how I feel about that. It's just you know, how

580
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,759
much is enough? That that's that's you know with fanatics,

581
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,400
they want everything. I mean, they honestly do it. In

582
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,279
my opinion, they want everything, and I don't I don't

583
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,160
know that that's a good thing for the hobby.

584
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:35,359
Speaker 4: Well, Gordon, one of my signed cards actually went for

585
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,279
over one hundred dollars recently, one of my sign signed

586
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:40,519
tops cards. So if it goes up after I die,

587
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,400
somebody there's enough of them out there, somebody may cash

588
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,079
in very nicely, thank you very much.

589
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:47,319
Speaker 3: I still say we need a rich Box card.

590
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,519
Speaker 4: We should have done one that day. What can I

591
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:49,960
tell you?

592
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:52,519
Speaker 3: All Right?

593
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,039
Speaker 1: So, uh, I guess the next thing we probably want

594
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,920
to talk about is, uh, let's see what I've got

595
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,000
on my list here real quick.

596
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: We'll touch on this too.

597
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:06,559
Speaker 1: There's an upper Deck employee that allegedly has stolen valuable

598
00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:11,640
trading cards from upper Deck. Uh oh, rot Row is right,

599
00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:15,599
So what do you guys think about that? I mean,

600
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,480
there's the price of cards now, I mean they said

601
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,079
that these cards are anywhere from just in the tens

602
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,519
of dollars to you know, the tens of thousands that

603
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,160
this guy stole and are allegedly stole.

604
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,279
Speaker 3: I will say, and I think they said that it's

605
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,279
like right now, they think so.

606
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,519
Speaker 1: Far it's like about one hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars,

607
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,640
because they say it could be as much as maybe

608
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,960
five hundred thousand dollars. I'm not sure if that if

609
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,799
that's true or not. But Chris, what do you think

610
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:43,279
about that?

611
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,559
Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised. Well, I think, well, backdoring has

612
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,200
been a problem in the hobby for years now, but

613
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,319
you don't hear much of it that often anymore. I

614
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:58,519
guess because a lot of the cards are serial numbered,

615
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,240
it would be kind of obvious if card number one,

616
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,400
twenty three of five hundred it is, somehow makes it

617
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,440
onto the market. Card companies have to do it, but

618
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,400
who they got to do a better job vetting their employees, apparently,

619
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
because it doesn't seem to me that Upper Deck did

620
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640
a good job here. Not that I want to blame

621
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,559
the victim.

622
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:26,319
Speaker 5: Or anie, but uh but uh yeah, yeah, I mean,

623
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:31,079
you really don't see a lot of these happening that

624
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,359
that often, so I'm kind of surprised that happened to

625
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Upper Deck so well.

626
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:40,839
Speaker 1: From from what I had read, apparently the room where

627
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,039
they store these cards is there's not a lot of security.

628
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of cameras, there's not a lot.

629
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Of I mean, it's just easy to put them in

630
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,440
your pocket and walk out the door. There's nobody checking

631
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:54,200
it's I mean, I don't know if that's true or not,

632
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,519
but that's that's what I read. If that's the case,

633
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,920
I can see where people would be you know, there's

634
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,599
certain people that would be tempted to do things like

635
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,599
that because you know, desperate people do do desperate things.

636
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,880
So I just I think it's a it's a it's

637
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,200
a bad look and no matter how you look at it,

638
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,519
there's there's so much hobby greed right now. To me,

639
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,559
it's an all time high. And with that, you're going

640
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440
to have things like this happened you where your thoughts?

641
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 4: Rich First, this is a downside of all the great

642
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:28,359
publicity we've had for a lot of the record prices

643
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,319
we've had for cards. People, you know, people who aren't

644
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:35,279
into the hobby necessarily say, oh money, lots of money.

645
00:32:35,559 --> 00:32:37,960
I can make money and I don't. And there's no

646
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,440
real way to trace a lot of this stuff because

647
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,200
if I remember correctly from the article I read, it

648
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,440
had to do with redemptions. Well, if you don't, if

649
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:49,000
the autographs are not serial, numbers are not signed, and

650
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,079
you pull redemption and you pull autographed redemption cards, who's

651
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,720
going to know where they came from?

652
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:56,319
Speaker 1: That's true, But read what Rex says here. He says

653
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,880
he had to get involved recently because one of his

654
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,440
customers was waiting on one to one trap redemption for

655
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,559
over a year. And on the way he did it

656
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,200
starts and he found the card graded by SGC. So

657
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,920
that needs somebody back doored it somewhere.

658
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, but you know, unfortunately, at least with

659
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:15,000
that he could say, wait a second, here's here's the

660
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,839
redemption card. And you know, and if he did it

661
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,599
through Rex's then there is a double chain of custody, like, hey,

662
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,599
where's my card?

663
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: You know that's there?

664
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 4: It is there, it is there, it is there's the answer.

665
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:27,960
They got the card from David Adams and they got

666
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,880
it into the because there was extra thing. And plus Rex,

667
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,920
being a valued Fanatics customer, could say, you guys don't

668
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,559
do right by my customer. I can spread the word

669
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:41,799
to all my customers how you screwed up. So that

670
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,559
and so this is actually something showing the power of

671
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,160
store ownership and showing that it's important when you have

672
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:55,440
a local card store, important to support it. So I'm

673
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,559
a big fan of local card stores. But that's a

674
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,559
reason why. And I also want to say there was

675
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,279
a note about I wish we could remove the note

676
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:06,359
about Chris Carlin leaving Upper Deck because he did that

677
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,160
because we all know.

678
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: That I actually clicked on that, and I feel bad

679
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:11,039
for doing that.

680
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I want that if we can remove that,

681
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,559
or you know, if we have a wrench to remove that.

682
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,199
I really want that removed. I can. I can give

683
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,480
christ shit about what happened with my upper with my

684
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:23,960
top sign card, but I'm not. We do not condone that,

685
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:26,440
and that really kisses me off. Whoever made that comment.

686
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just deleted and it's gone. Thank you.

687
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I've just been going down as I see

688
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,039
the comments come up, I'm not really reading them. I'm

689
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:35,840
clicking on them and then reading them. And I apologize

690
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,360
for that.

691
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 4: That's okay, But thank you for deleting that. That one

692
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,400
upsets me.

693
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah, so yeah, I'm I

694
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,960
don't I just don't know what to say about these steps.

695
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,000
It's going to continue to happen, unfortunately.

696
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: I think.

697
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Unfortunately that's just a part of the hobby now, just

698
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,079
because of the value of these cards.

699
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 4: It's a show in itself. But when we were when

700
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,039
we were prepping our notes for this week, how many

701
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,920
of the stories had to do with Seth Seth the

702
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:09,159
card shows or thefts from employee or theft, how many

703
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,039
of those notes and granted someone this beat the publicity.

704
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,639
And then you know, there was somebody who lost the

705
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:18,000
goudy roof at a phil at the Philly card show. Uh,

706
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,360
then there was I was reading on that fifty four

707
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,960
somebody had his truck stolen on his way to a

708
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,280
show in Canada, and he still had enough to have

709
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,360
a nice inventory, but he lost three quarters of the

710
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,159
inventory that was in his his truck. And the good

711
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,800
news is those two nitwits, and I'm gonna say this

712
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,559
because I can call them nitwitz the two ingites who

713
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,679
stole those cards that Memory Lane shipped to the Best

714
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:48,079
Western Hotel in Strongsboro, Ohio. They've pleaded guilty and yeah,

715
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,719
ever happens to them at least a week now, say

716
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,840
they admitted it, and they, you know, almost did it right,

717
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,480
but not quite. And how about these professionals who took

718
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,760
the cards at the Dallas card show. None of those

719
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,760
cards have popped up yet, and we suspect they're not

720
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,599
going to pop up. We think they may be out

721
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,559
of it. From what we when I say we from

722
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,679
the people who have even better contacts, they're out of

723
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:14,159
the country.

724
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah they could they very well could be.

725
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, What's strange about that though, with those guys that

726
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,519
stole the cards from Memory Lane in Strongsville, is they

727
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:26,800
still haven't recovered two of those cards. One was a

728
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,760
nineteen oh nine Ronilly Walter Johnson in a forty one

729
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,440
playball ted Williams and the guy says he's not going

730
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,480
to tell them where they went fifty eight.

731
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,519
Speaker 4: You know what though, he needs you know, at this point, dude,

732
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,119
you're guilty tell them where they went to. Okay, I

733
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:47,559
mean you know that this is not whoever ended up

734
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,079
with the cards knew what he was getting or she

735
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:51,559
knew what he was she was getting, So I should

736
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:54,280
never be that sexist and knew what they were getting,

737
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,679
and therefore, hey, folks, just get the cards back.

738
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: Well, he's in order to pay like over eighty nine

739
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,320
thousand dollars to Memory Lane. Is restitution is part of

740
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,119
the plea agreement. So he's gonna have to pay what.

741
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 4: He sold those two cards for because in that case

742
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,760
then then it's a zero sum game plus time in

743
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,360
the slammer.

744
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,039
Speaker 3: Right.

745
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,639
Speaker 1: Well, at some point, I mean there, if he did

746
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,719
sell those cards, you know, those belong to Memory Lane,

747
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,159
they're going to have to be you know, taken from

748
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:24,519
the people that got him and giving back the memory lane.

749
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,039
At least that's the way I look at Yeah, that's that.

750
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,639
That's that was a bad deal, all right. So we're

751
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,000
we're we're clicking through the topics. So this is one

752
00:37:33,039 --> 00:37:37,679
that that Chris mentioned and it's the TOPS Aaron Judge

753
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,559
Paul Patrol card, And uh, I think that's it's really neat.

754
00:37:41,639 --> 00:37:45,519
I've got a picture of it somewhere. See here, there

755
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,079
we go. But it looks like that this was on

756
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,199
October second. Tops announced that they were going to have

757
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,519
Aaron Judge Paul Patrol cards in uh twenty twenty four

758
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,159
TOPS update. So when you think about that, Chris, I

759
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,880
think it's pretty neat. I like stuff like that. It's

760
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,599
I know it's gimmicky, but I'm a gimmicky kind of guy.

761
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,119
I just think it's kind of neat.

762
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: It is.

763
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,519
Speaker 2: But you know, Tops is gonna screw this up. I mean,

764
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,400
come on, you know they're gonna make this such a

765
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:20,039
short print that moms and dads everywhere who have kids

766
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,519
that love Paw Patrol and or who love the New

767
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:27,719
York Yankees are gonna are gonna go through hundreds and

768
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,960
hundreds of dollars worth of Tops Update wax looking for

769
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,760
this this card and they're never gonna find it. And

770
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,840
you know, I wrote something like this for Hobby News

771
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Daily last year when Tops did the uh the the

772
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Tom Brady baseball card. Do you remember that?

773
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: Yep?

774
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great idea. I love the

775
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,119
marketing behind it, and there's a little bit of truth

776
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:56,559
to the story behind it, because he really was drafted

777
00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:00,239
by the Montreal expos as a catcher. But then they

778
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,639
made it like a one in every two hundred bucks hit.

779
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,239
And I'm thinking, you know, if you're trying to ten

780
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:13,079
x the hobby right, if you're trying to attract new customer,

781
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,239
you would want that card a little bit more available

782
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,320
than one in every two hundred bucks. I would not

783
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:24,880
want potential customers to spend hundreds of dollars on TOPS

784
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,800
products and not not find this card and be made

785
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,280
to feel like total schmucks for doing so.

786
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: And I know that we.

787
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,639
Speaker 2: Don't know much about Tops Update or whether this will

788
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:43,440
be Let's just say Tops has a track record of

789
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:48,719
doing things like this, making these almost impossible to collect,

790
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:52,519
such as the Pete Rose Bowman chrome card that I mentioned.

791
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,599
Look I mean, I have a six year old niece

792
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,760
and a four year old nephew that watched Paw Patrol constantly.

793
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,079
They're gonna love this card. The problem is, I don't

794
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:07,920
think they're gonna be able to ever final.

795
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so. Yeah, it's like what Rex is saying.

796
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: He goes, it's great if they're common cards, but you know,

797
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,400
the product is affordable, and they should they should make

798
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,840
them plentiful. And I agree, you know, have a cool card,

799
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,800
have it to where everybody can get it if they

800
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,199
want it.

801
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 3: You know, he says, if they make it an SP

802
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,440
it's a failure.

803
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:30,599
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not saying don't make it an SP I'm making.

804
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:36,440
I'm saying, make it something that people can realistically collect it.

805
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,639
You know, it doesn't have to be a one in

806
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,519
every two hundred bucks hit like what Tom Brady card was,

807
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,639
or limited to only a couple hundred copies like the

808
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,519
Pete Rose card was. If this is like, I don't know,

809
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,960
one and every every hundred.

810
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 4: Packs one card set, twenty cards set, so that way

811
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,159
there's some challenge in finishing the but if you just

812
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:03,719
want one card, it's easy enough to get it.

813
00:41:04,159 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's two cards that I've seen.

814
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't know how hard. You don't know how

815
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,840
many cards they're doing with Paw Patroled either. I've never

816
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,159
watched this show, so I can't tell you anything about it.

817
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:21,320
But it depends how how many. And you're right. Even Rex,

818
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,360
who's got the retail store and so I always defer

819
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,840
to him on things like that. He knows what actual

820
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,000
live customers are saying. You know, we're kind of guessing

821
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,760
based on what we read. But Rex deals, you know,

822
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,559
with customer facing issues.

823
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: But Tops also has a history of making cards like this,

824
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,880
cards that get a lot of attention in mainstream media

825
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:50,360
and are designed to attract non collectors into the hobby,

826
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,599
but then delivering products that make it almost impossible to

827
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:55,880
find these cards.

828
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the you know that funny face card

829
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,119
they made. You know, I collect crazy cars like that.

830
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,320
Rick knows that I would love to have one of

831
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,559
those cards. But I'm not paying that kind of money

832
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,599
for that card just just to have it as something

833
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:13,119
to put in a showcase somewhere. I'm just not going

834
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,760
to I'm just not going to do that. I would

835
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,519
like to see cars like that to be a little

836
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,440
bit more available but you know, I get.

837
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: The Jackson Holiday's base card.

838
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah it should have been I would definitely love to

839
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:28,599
have that card.

840
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: Well, but when your tops and everything is a nail

841
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,920
and all you have is a hammer, keep coming up

842
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,039
with the same ideas.

843
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was reading out there too, uh

844
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,039
on the internet.

845
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,519
Speaker 1: Maybe it was Twitter, I can't remember where I saw

846
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,599
this at, but people were thinking that now that Aaron

847
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,360
Judge is on these Paul Patrol cards, that it's going

848
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,039
to be a curse.

849
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about that curse?

850
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,519
Speaker 4: So I like true crime shows, So Mookie says, I

851
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,599
should watch an episode of Paw Patrol. So I'll go

852
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:02,400
looking for an.

853
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: Episode true crime shows.

854
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: There was a funny Saturday Night Live skin a couple

855
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,760
of years ago about Paul Patrol. I'll just leave it at.

856
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: That got you a couple of comments here, Mookie says,

857
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,519
Uncle Rich, Paul Patrol's a show about dogs of soft crimes.

858
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:19,199
Speaker 3: You would love it.

859
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Rich, you need to definitely need to

860
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,039
check out an episode. Maybe you'll you'll start start streaming

861
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,440
that thing. And uh, who knows what happened. My son

862
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,119
would have loved the cars eight years ago. Yeah, you know,

863
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,519
a little bit too late for some of the kids. Uh,

864
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:35,800
Rex is saying the fun face car could have been

865
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,400
done better.

866
00:43:36,519 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 3: There are several variations.

867
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: Uh, they could have made a base and let the

868
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,360
variations be SP's and SSB. Yes, yes, I think that's

869
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,159
that's spot on. I agree. I would love to have

870
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,000
seen them do that because.

871
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,639
Speaker 2: I hire Rex for tops product development.

872
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:55,599
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, definitely.

873
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:59,119
Speaker 4: Well, Rex has so much retail experience he understand plus

874
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,400
he owns the story. But he also has worked for

875
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:04,159
enough retailers. You know, we've talked to him enough that

876
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,920
Rex Lexley understands how to do things, unlike some people

877
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,760
who just sit and have never really dealt with customers.

878
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, which, yeah, I know what you're saying, Rich.

879
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
So yeah, that's I'm looking forward to seeing that card.

880
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:21,960
I think it'll be neat. Let me show that picture

881
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,039
of that of that card real quick again. I'm looking

882
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:28,079
at that top card and I'm thinking he's looking like,

883
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,039
oh no, did I just step in some dog poop?

884
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: He's got this oh no look on his face. Anyway,

885
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:37,760
I digress.

886
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: So all right, see it's uh, we're about fifty one

887
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,559
minutes into this thing. One last topic I want to

888
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,639
talk about is there's a lot of new releases this week.

889
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:54,840
You've got like int football, Top, Sapphire Baseball, the Penninian War.

890
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:58,440
I think that's how you pronounced it basketball. Some of

891
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,280
these are kind of i'll say, reasonably priced. Some of

892
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,159
them are very expensive. Are you guys buying any of

893
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:08,320
these kind of products?

894
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: Not for me?

895
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: Yea, not for me either.

896
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, the next product I'm gonna buy, and

897
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,440
I haven't seen when it's coming out or if it's

898
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,639
coming out, we'll be Heritage High Numbers. And that would

899
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,639
because I don't buy a lot of new stuff. Heritage

900
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,320
High Number maybe and maybe a blaster of Update Tops Update.

901
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,760
Those would be the two things I would I would purchase.

902
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,559
Other than that, I'm not really There's not a lot

903
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,119
of stuff I buy nowadays, so I don't go chasing.

904
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,719
But you know, I like I like base I'll buy

905
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,920
Basic tops one next year I buy Heritage and then

906
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,920
Heritage High Numbers, and then you know, occasionally a dribble

907
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,079
a pack of blaster Box here and there when I

908
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,880
go to Walmart and I'm about to do for a

909
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,760
Walmart trip.

910
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: So with Sapphire Chrome is I already have these cards.

911
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,880
Why do I need to buy them again? Because they're blue?

912
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,840
I mean it's literally the same thing as it's all

913
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,679
seven hundred cards of the top Space set, but they're blue.

914
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: Why, well, they've got to maximize the how much you know,

915
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:14,079
all the money that.

916
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: They sy right, they got.

917
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: I will also remind you, at least back in the day,

918
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,199
and I don't know if this is still true today,

919
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,440
but you know, when you pay MLB and the Players

920
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,960
Association to produce sets, if you are producing a parallel

921
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,960
set or parallel cards, that does not count against your

922
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,360
total products. So if you produce, at least back in

923
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,480
the day, if you've made a Tiffany set and you

924
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,119
can only produce let's say ten ten products in a year,

925
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,119
well the Tiffany set did not count as a product

926
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:48,400
towards your ten products because you because it's a parallel

927
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,760
of the set you already produced. If that's true, then

928
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,880
you do that because then you don't have to pay

929
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,880
more licensing money, and that at least again, I'm going

930
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,440
to what was back in the day, and I don't

931
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,840
know what today's contracts are.

932
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know that.

933
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: I don't think there are any limits anymore, although there

934
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,840
should be. But I'm just saying, if there will consider

935
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,320
how many products the Tops makes now in baseball, right.

936
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 4: But how many of them like five eighty two Montgomery Club.

937
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,760
How many of them are you know, the parallel to

938
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,079
the base set, and how many of them are separate issues?

939
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,800
Or you know these Tops now and Tops or Panini

940
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,239
Instant count as products or are they just allowed to

941
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,679
be offshoots so to speak. I mean, I don't know,

942
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,920
as as Chris as you say, we don't know the contracts.

943
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know, even though the whole reason why

944
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,280
they gave Tops the exclusive license in the first place

945
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,719
once to cut down on the number of brands and

946
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,480
different releases. There are more releases now than there were

947
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:53,039
fifteen years ago, probably, so yeah, whatever.

948
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost weekly that there's a there's a

949
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,679
new baseball release. It seems like, I mean, I know

950
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,519
that's not true, but it seems like it's almost a

951
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:05,639
weekly occurrence now that And you know, as a NASCAR collector,

952
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,880
I don't know how baseball collectors do it. I mean,

953
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,000
if you are wanting to try to get a base

954
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,280
set of everything, I don't I don't know how you

955
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,519
would even go about doing that with the way.

956
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 3: The prices are these days. To me, it would, it would.

957
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,119
Speaker 1: It would make me feel like I almost don't want

958
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,599
to collect because it's so overwhelming at that point.

959
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: That's why I pick and shoes what I buy.

960
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the products, especially a lot of

961
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:32,639
the high end products. I don't even have a base

962
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:37,000
set anymore to collect. It's just hits, hits, hits, And

963
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,320
to be fair, some of the sets that do have

964
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,559
base sets aren't really worth collecting anyway.

965
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,639
Speaker 1: So yeah, but you know, I know, I know all

966
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,239
you guys are like me, your your old school. We

967
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,119
like to collect sets. I try to collect sets. When

968
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,639
I bust a box of anything. The first thing I'm

969
00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:58,440
doing after I get done busting it is I'm sorting

970
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:58,840
through it.

971
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:00,679
Speaker 3: See what cards I say they'll need.

972
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: Maybe trade for some, maybe gold, buy some, whatever, depend

973
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,400
on where you are with it. But that's that's kind

974
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,519
of how I roll. I know, Rich for sure you

975
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,280
roll that way, and Chris does. But it seems like

976
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,000
bass cards, you know, Like when I was at the

977
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,480
National this year, I can't tell you how many stacks

978
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,840
of bass cards I would see just stuck around in

979
00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,679
miscellaneous spots like over where they had the tables in

980
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,000
the food court or places like it.

981
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: People just didn't care. They just left them. They didn't

982
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:30,199
want it.

983
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: But that's been going on since at least the nineteen eighties.

984
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,880
My friends Henry and Hunts who had really a true

985
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,280
neighborhood local cards store in Garfield, New Jersey, when eighty

986
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,400
five tops came out that we were in the New

987
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,800
York area and people wanted the matting, the second year

988
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,760
Matten Week card, or the Dwight Good and Rookies and

989
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,320
all that. If it wasn't a card they wanted, they

990
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,039
left the cards on the counter. Well, about two years

991
00:49:53,079 --> 00:49:55,320
later they cashed them very nicely because there was a

992
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,639
whole bunch of Mark McGuire Olympic cards left behind. That's

993
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:02,039
been the going on for forty years. Folks.

994
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,159
Speaker 2: You don't think I built my eighty nine upper deck,

995
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:10,199
ninety leaf and ninety two Bowman sets left behind. You

996
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,000
don't want this card of Mariano Rivera. What was this guy?

997
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like he's fifteen years old. He's like

998
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,519
against the lamp post.

999
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he's on his way to algebra class.

1000
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,159
Speaker 4: Ye, who you want a card of him. Yeah, anyway,

1001
00:50:29,199 --> 00:50:30,920
we're coming up to the top of the hour. Thank

1002
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,679
you for the nice, nice compliment, Mad City.

1003
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Yes, we appreciate that a lot. So closing out the show,

1004
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:41,639
I have I had a few pickups this week. I

1005
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:43,159
don't know if you guys have any pickups that you

1006
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:47,000
want to show or anything like that, But there goes Chris.

1007
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,199
He's going he's got something he wants to show. I've

1008
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,880
got a few odds and end things I want to

1009
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,320
show real quick, because you know this, we are a

1010
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,599
hobby show. For those of you who don't know, you

1011
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,400
would to look at me right now, you wouldn't think

1012
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,400
I was a psyched but I am. A lot of

1013
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,519
things have happened, but I'm gonna get back into it.

1014
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,440
But one of the cards that I picked up here

1015
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,800
recently was this Eddie Merks card from nineteen I believes

1016
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,000
nineteen sixty seven. It's a Panini card and I'm actually

1017
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,960
trying to collect the entire Eddie Mrk's Master set on

1018
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,079
the PSA Set Registry, So that's one of the cards

1019
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:19,719
I picked up.

1020
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,519
Speaker 3: Really do enjoy those cards.

1021
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,559
Speaker 1: Also, I've got an F one card here. You know

1022
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,519
a lot of people think Lewis Hamilton's the goat. Now

1023
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,559
Lewis Hamilton is not the goat in my opinion. One

1024
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:34,840
Manuel Fonzio is the goat. And here's a card. I'm

1025
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,559
not sure what country this is from. I may say Argentina,

1026
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,079
but this is from nineteen fifty seven. It's a Sawda card.

1027
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:42,440
It's one Menuel Fonngio.

1028
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1029
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: Not if you look at the back you can see

1030
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,599
so I'm not exactly sure where it's from. I probably

1031
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:50,760
should do a little bit more research. But again that's

1032
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,599
another friends.

1033
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: Is Florence, Italy and Italians.

1034
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, there you go. So what have

1035
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,639
you got, Chris?

1036
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 2: All right? I went to what is essentially my de

1037
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,079
facto LCS, and that's bel Air Sports Cards, bel Air Maryland,

1038
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:10,800
and I was able to finally dust off my ninety

1039
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:16,039
five donrous Elite set with this King Griffy Junior card. Nice,

1040
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,119
pretty cool. And there was one card that I found

1041
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,119
that I'd never seen before, and Rich, I was wondering

1042
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:26,960
if maybe you can find something about it. It's a

1043
00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:33,719
gragmatic cyber action card. It's printed on a very thin

1044
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,159
card stock and apparently this was a contest with tough

1045
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,199
Stuff for a trip to the ninety eight World Series.

1046
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,719
So this is card number five of six. I've I

1047
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,559
picked it up because I've never seen it before. So

1048
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:55,400
the website Cyberaction dot com is dead. So anyway, if

1049
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,960
anybody's got any information on this card, I'd appreciate it.

1050
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,760
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Chris, I'm looking. Okay, Chris, I'm looking. I

1051
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,000
just went to the com See com See site and

1052
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:10,400
it's at the coms. He calls the set nineteen ninety

1053
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:15,000
eight cyber Action Tough Stuff Great World Series Giveaway entry.

1054
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. So I guess these were in

1055
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,000
copies of Tough Stuff.

1056
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: Or you got them through Tough Stuff or something.

1057
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: But it's what is cyber action.

1058
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,519
Speaker 4: You're asking me. You can go to com sea dot

1059
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,760
com and look up I mean, the only ones I see.

1060
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,960
I mean, I don't remember the set, but you can

1061
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,079
look up in the only.

1062
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,679
Speaker 2: Ones I I'm trying to get understand how these courage

1063
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,000
were distributed what cyber action anyway?

1064
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 4: Anyway, So, but there were there amount on the on

1065
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,360
the Compsy site too. I'm not sure whether it was

1066
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,280
at a show, you know, Tough Stuff did shows. I

1067
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:53,760
don't know if they were I don't remember if they

1068
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,840
were inserts in the magazine or whether they did it

1069
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,840
a tough stuff show, but you can actually go. There

1070
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,440
are several copies of at least three or four players

1071
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,920
on site on comci dot com. I actually just checked

1072
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,719
that just just for the sheer joy of it. I mean,

1073
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,239
I'm sure you could check eBay too.

1074
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1075
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,199
Speaker 4: I worked at comm Sea. I figured I checked their

1076
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,960
site first, you know, small, small technical detail. Cyber action

1077
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:19,000
is one word, by the way.

1078
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool, Chris. Some nice pickups? Rich? Have you

1079
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:23,119
picked up any.

1080
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 4: I've picked up nothing. I did get a nice donation

1081
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,320
when I went to Triple Cards at the trade night

1082
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,719
the other day, and they give us donations for the

1083
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,880
you know ar are not you know our Adot Havreen

1084
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,639
Brotherhood charitable efforts, and I get cards nobody else wants.

1085
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:41,880
And it was a big box full of plastic I

1086
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,519
don't have them because my friend Raymond took them to

1087
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:47,320
pull the cards out while he's watching football games. But

1088
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,199
it was a full box full of cards in plastic sheets.

1089
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,840
Thank good. The plastic sheets are in good shape. And

1090
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,159
there were mid nineties minor inserts and the common card

1091
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,400
based cards of basketball there iron box was basketball and

1092
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:02,519
there were thousands.

1093
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1094
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 4: Nothing really for me to keep, but it was nice

1095
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,119
looking at those cards, which I didn't have a lot

1096
00:55:08,119 --> 00:55:11,280
of familiarity, and they weren't from the overproduced era they

1097
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,760
were afterwards. They were from the Midland late nineties.

1098
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,679
Speaker 1: It looks like Stuke's was able to pick up some

1099
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,239
three more sixty five old London coins.

1100
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 3: I love those coins. Those are pretty cool. There are

1101
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,079
nice coins, yes they are.

1102
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: I know I identified like ten or fifteen not in PSA slas,

1103
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,559
but I know I identified ten or fifteen old London

1104
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:32,719
coins this week.

1105
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: Rich. Don't those have the paper inserts? If I'm not mistaken,

1106
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:36,639
I think they do.

1107
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 4: But there's all the Oh they're nice looking things.

1108
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,159
Speaker 3: I like those.

1109
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,199
Speaker 1: But yeah, he says he's down down to fourteen in

1110
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,719
PSA seven or better, So good luck with that.

1111
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: That's cool. I'm glad to see stuff like that. All right.

1112
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,840
So we are in Hobby Hotline overtime.

1113
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,599
Speaker 1: So I just want to say thanks to everybody out

1114
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:58,000
there for spending your Saturday morning with us. Next week

1115
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,920
on Hobby Hotline, we will return with more of your

1116
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,639
favorite host.

1117
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: So I think doctor Beckett is one of the three

1118
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,840
hosts next.

1119
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: Week yep, so doctor Doctor biobiond. You know, I don't

1120
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,920
know that. I can't remember that I've.

1121
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,159
Speaker 1: Ever been on a show with Doctor Beckett, so one

1122
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,599
of these days, hoping that will happen. Anyway, Happy collected

1123
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,679
everybody out there, And uh, I guess for Chris, and next.

1124
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,519
Speaker 4: Week is Heroes for Sale, Doctor Beckett and Orlando.

1125
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: Okay, one last thing I want to mention. Baseball card

1126
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,039
Pedia is currently down for unscheduled maintenance. We're having some

1127
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:37,400
issues with our server.

1128
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,679
Speaker 3: So oh that's no fun.

1129
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see, I would have looked that card up myself, rich,

1130
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,920
but my website's down, so.

1131
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: I know every website goes through that problem. So no

1132
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,920
matter how good it is, something always can go wrong.

1133
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: All right, anyway, So Chris, do you have any any

1134
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:00,800
hardy words here?

1135
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 4: Uh? Chris, do Chris, I will say something so you

1136
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:07,440
can say your code, the word you always say to

1137
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,320
end the show. So thank you all for watching, thank

1138
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,079
you all for your great comments, Thank you all and

1139
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:13,639
Chris

1140
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,239
Speaker 2: And keep on rocking in the free world.