1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: This is Pet Life Radio. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 2: Let's talk pets. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,519 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection show, where we believe 4 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:14,439 we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,760 explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the 6 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:21,559 Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you 7 00:00:21,679 --> 00:00:24,800 share our commitment to making the world a kinder place 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,600 for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,039 of the Human Animal Connection. 10 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: Hi everyone, Welcome to the Human Animal Connection. We have 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,479 a really fun show for you today. I have a 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,159 very sexy pilot with me here today, Michael Schneider, and 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,439 he is one of the founders of Pilots to the Rescue. 14 00:00:45,719 --> 00:00:48,079 And they go and they find animals. I guess it 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,679 just dogs or other animals too, that you go and 16 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:53,880 rescue and bring to places they need to be here. 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, dogs and cats are our brid and butter We've 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,679 yosta done wolves and seat turtles and foxes and hens. 19 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 3: Wow, awesome, awesome. So how did you get started? What 20 00:01:05,719 --> 00:01:06,439 was your story? 21 00:01:07,519 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: I started Pilots to Rescue back in twenty fifteen to 22 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,760 combine my love of aviation and rescuing animals, and the 23 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,239 animal part came at a very young age, I always 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,280 had an affinity towards any type of animal. My parents 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,000 they would take me to the local SPCA and we'd 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,319 pick out a dog or a cat. And I didn't 27 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:32,480 even know until later in life that you could purchase animals. 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,959 I just thought that's how you would have a pet, 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,959 you would rescue it. So I got used to at 30 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,000 a very young age interacting with animals, and to my 31 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,760 parents' dismay, I also was the neighborhood kid who picked 32 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,000 up the injured bird and nursed it back to health. 33 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:53,120 I also had hamsters and gerbils and hermit crabs and mice, 34 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:57,680 all kinds of pets. Always was interested in hammy animals 35 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,519 and had a special connection with that. I even had 36 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:02,959 a Pet city company where I would go to the 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,879 local neighbors and make sure the cats and dogs have 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,039 fresh food and water. I would walk them. I'd use 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,439 the fenced in pen that my neighbor had that they 40 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,680 weren't using. So I was very entrepreneurial at a young 41 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:18,000 age as well. And then the aviation park came much 42 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,879 later in life. I'm forty eight now. I've been flying 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,400 for about a little over a decade and at the time. 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,280 I was living in Cincinnati and a woman that I 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,560 was dating asked if I wanted to go skydiving for 46 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:34,400 my birthday. Yes, So that was my first introduction into 47 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:40,000 general aviation, and I just became very intrigued with the 48 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:44,039 instrumentation and the single pilot and sitting on the floor 49 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,759 of a plane with feeling all the vibrations. You know, 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,400 these things you don't really get a sense of when 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,479 you're flying in a big commercial jet, So that was 52 00:02:52,599 --> 00:02:56,560 very eye opening and intriguing. And after about three jumps, 53 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,479 I started asking questions of the pilot and he recommended 54 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,439 I ticket justscovery flight, which I did at Discovery Flight 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,680 is one hour flight at your local airport with an 56 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:09,159 instructor and you get a chance to feel what it's 57 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:12,400 like to do to do maneuvers. You don't do the 58 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,879 takeoff landings, you do maneuvers, and I sign up for 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,319 lessons instantly and the rest was history. And then when 60 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,719 I moved back to New York, I heard about groups 61 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:27,599 helping out like sick people that were going for treatment 62 00:03:28,439 --> 00:03:32,039 far away because they're getting a pro bono or having 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,599 some kind of specialists. And they also heard about groups 64 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,400 that were transporting animals that were at risk of being euthanized. 65 00:03:37,879 --> 00:03:41,439 Getting the entrepreneur that I that I am, I wanted 66 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:44,800 to start my own charity. Also another way great way 67 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,319 to raise money to acquire a larger aircraft, which are 68 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,400 usually not available to people that are renting. So that's 69 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,960 really how I started Pilots to Rescue. Love of aviation, 70 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:58,039 love of animals, and combining these two passions. It's very 71 00:03:58,039 --> 00:03:59,000 rewarding work. 72 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Well so wonderful because we know some shelters are just 73 00:04:02,039 --> 00:04:06,599 completely overwhelmed, and sometimes they're in areas where people only 74 00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:09,360 want big dogs or they only want small dogs or whatever. 75 00:04:09,599 --> 00:04:11,080 And then there are people in other parts of the 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,520 country that want the opposite of what they're or the 77 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,040 same what what they're filled with, and the ability to 78 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,240 move animals from one place to another. So tell me 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,360 a little bit about how you work with the different rescues. 80 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: We have rescues that have been working with nearly a decade. 81 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,879 This is actually this is our tenth year anniversary. We 82 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,399 started in twenty fifteen. These are groups that we've worked 83 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:37,319 with since day one, where largely we're in we fly 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,600 out of New Jersey and we're almost always going down south, 85 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,439 so we're largely going to the Carolinas, Georgia, Texas, Tennessee, 86 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,879 Kentucky those areas. We do do some rescue from Texas 87 00:04:49,879 --> 00:04:52,959 and Florida, but there's often some driving involved that they 88 00:04:52,959 --> 00:04:55,279 come and meet us, like in South Carolina or Georgia, 89 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,439 and then we entertain new relationships all the time. People 90 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,759 call us and email us and you know, they say 91 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:05,319 they have some animals they need to move and they 92 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,800 have relationships up in the Northeast, so we entertain those. 93 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,720 And lately we've been working with larger organizations because we 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,480 did acquire a larger aircraft, so we be working quite 95 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:16,839 a bit with a Humane Society of the United States 96 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:19,839 as well as Bisto Pet Foundation. And we love working 97 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,120 with those groups because they have tremendous resources at their 98 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,439 disposal and it makes our job easier. We can focus 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,759 on the transport, they focus on communications and pr and 100 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:35,360 it just it's a well roiled machine. Nothing against the 101 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:39,480 smaller rescues. They're also tremendous, but we're a little bit 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,839 more hands on with the smaller rescues. We get involved 103 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,199 in the whole process, so it's a little bit more 104 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:48,079 taxing on our resources, But we love working with all 105 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,199 the groups. All the groups we work with are on 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:57,639 our website, Pilots to the Rescue dot org. And yeah, so. 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,399 Speaker 3: So how do many animals can fly at one time? 108 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: So the cabin we could fit anywhere I would say 109 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,839 from twenty to one hundred owls. 110 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Wow, le's you guys. 111 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the size of the crate that's the 112 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:17,160 limiting factor. So when we get a dog that's over 113 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,160 eighty pounds, we often tether them just because the cray 114 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:24,160 would be humongous. Both safety is number one, of course, 115 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 not just for the pilots but also the animals. So 116 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,800 when we tether animals in the back, we make sure 117 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,839 we have someone in the back because the people that 118 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:34,759 are flying the plane in the front, it's very difficult 119 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,480 for them obviously to deal with an animal in the 120 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,360 back that's not in a crate. If they're puppies or cats, 121 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,519 we can do one hundred of them. I mean, they 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,480 don't take them much room at all, But generally it's 123 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,279 we're transporting I would say thirty to fifty animal range 124 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:51,879 in this plane. 125 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: And how do the animals handle it? How do they 126 00:06:55,759 --> 00:06:58,639 manage it? How do they get water. Do they eat? 127 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,560 You know, they puttying in their crew. What's the story? 128 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:02,480 Give me the lowdown. 129 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: Sure, well, the loading of the animals is the most 130 00:07:06,519 --> 00:07:09,399 stressful part because they have most likely never been on 131 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:13,720 an aircraft before. They're coming from a most likely a 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,639 precarious situation, whether it be hoarding, abuse, neglect. So they're 133 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:22,000 already pretty timid. But once we start up date engine, 134 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:24,959 the noise and the vibration tends to make them a 135 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:29,560 little sleepy. And it's an unpressurized aircraft, so eight thousand 136 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:31,920 feet is our ceiling. That we can't go any higher 137 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,839 than eight thousand feet because they can become hypoxic. There's 138 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,680 less oxygen at that level. Just a little tippit without 139 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,040 geeking out about too much about aviation. In a commercial 140 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,920 plane that you fly at they're most likely pressurized the 141 00:07:45,959 --> 00:07:49,439 eight thousand feet also, so that's why people get a 142 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:52,040 little tired when they travel. There's a little less, little 143 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:57,000 less oxygen. So yeah, they're pretty good passengers or poseurs 144 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:04,600 as we call them. And you know they we pretty 145 00:08:04,639 --> 00:08:06,639 much tell them not to feed or drink them too 146 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,600 much because a lot of times you'll find that they 147 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:11,839 will go to the bathroom and we have to deal 148 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,519 with those unpleasant smells. So we all know water is 149 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:18,560 the most important. I think, like, for example, a human 150 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:20,519 can go three weeks without food, but you can only 151 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:22,319 go like three days without water. I don't know what 152 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,759 it is for animals, but most important thing is that 153 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:27,759 they're they have water. But once we start up, they 154 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,920 go to sleep. Once in a while, you'll get a 155 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,279 yappy one the small dogs or you do yappy like 156 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,840 the little chihuahuas and stuff like that. They tend to 157 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,600 bark the most. Okay, So it's funny because we'll be 158 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:42,879 flying along two hours into the flight, everything's really quiet, 159 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:44,559 and all of a sudden they just start to chime 160 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,960 in for whatever reason, you know. So it's always fun. 161 00:08:48,159 --> 00:08:50,600 And then you get those wafts of smells. You know, 162 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:52,399 if they do go to the bathroom. 163 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,519 Speaker 3: Right, and do you do any sedation or they're like 164 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,960 tresdone or anything like that, or they're no, no, we generally. 165 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: Don't transport any flight risks. I've seen people pull out 166 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,320 common treats before, so I'm not sure what they're doing before. 167 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:12,519 I mean, if they're a flight risk, maybe they are 168 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,200 sed eighty them, but I don't believe it to be anything, 169 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,960 you know, prescription wise, so they have to be fit 170 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:23,480 to travel. We've had a couple of animals that we've 171 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,480 refused to travel because they became aggressive in nature as 172 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,080 we were loading them, and we just refuse to take 173 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,000 them because we can't run that risk. We haven't had 174 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,919 one animal parish in transport, so we hope to keep 175 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,360 it that way. 176 00:09:37,759 --> 00:09:40,159 Speaker 3: That's good, Yeah, And is there someone in the back 177 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,399 with them when you're flying? 178 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: Generally, generally I would say yes in this larger aircraft 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,840 that we have now, especially if we're tethering any animals. 180 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,080 But we generally run a minimum of two person crew, 181 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,279 typically a pilot and a copilot. But we often take 182 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,279 influencers and content creators with us as well, and they're 183 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,240 obviously very friendly with animals, so they do a great 184 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,200 job in the back. 185 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 3: Okay, that's good. Well, we have some of those billet 186 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:13,279 you know. Now, do you have standard roots that you 187 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,799 always do or do you sometimes like can somebody call 188 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,840 you and say I have something? Or is it only 189 00:10:17,879 --> 00:10:19,840 the like the organizations that call you. 190 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,759 Speaker 2: We have pretty known routing, if you will, And we've 191 00:10:23,799 --> 00:10:26,559 been doing a lot of combining lately because not everybody 192 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,360 can handle thirty to fifty animals at one time. Even 193 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,000 the cases as I mentioned before like Bistle Pet Foundation 194 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,240 are humane society. There's multiple agencies on the recipient and 195 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,320 that pick up the animals usually not one recipient shelter 196 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,679 or foster. But we're almost North Carolina is the number 197 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,279 one state we go to, and then you know it's 198 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,080 a smintering of South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky. We did 199 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:57,879 just do an epic flight of thirty three endangered sea turtles. 200 00:10:57,919 --> 00:11:00,720 I know you're gonna ask me about stories, and we 201 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:05,720 made stops in Jekyl Island, Georgia, two stops in Florida, 202 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:08,840 then we went to Louisiana and brought back thirty I 203 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 think over thirty dogs. Well, so that was of a 204 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,879 very rewarding trip because it's such an efficient use of 205 00:11:14,879 --> 00:11:19,840 an aircraft. Aviation's they're silly expensive. It's crazy how expensive 206 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,840 it is. You know, when we can fill the cabin 207 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,720 round trip like that makes us feel really good because 208 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,759 we make good use of that resource. 209 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,399 Speaker 3: Sure sure, Well, speaking of stories, what are some of 210 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,279 your favorite stories that really touched your heart? I mean, 211 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,320 I know they're all good, but what stands out well. 212 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,399 Speaker 2: One that stand out recently was a dog. Its name 213 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:45,159 was or its name was Dalton. They changed it to Thin, 214 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,360 but Dalton. The reason why it stood out to me 215 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,639 is because I have a black Shepherd rescue myself, and 216 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:57,919 Dalton looks exactly like my rescue pop. The difference is 217 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,960 Dalton's missing an ear. So when I saw a picture 218 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,840 of Dalton, it was like, how did this dog come 219 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,159 to missing ear? And we came to find out it 220 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,399 was a bait dog. I don't know if you know 221 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:12,200 about bait dogs and dog fighting, so that really my 222 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,960 dog is kind of skittish. We suspected some abuse, the neglect, 223 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,159 so when I saw that picture of Dalton, it just 224 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,240 really hit me. And it came from Miami and it 225 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:25,080 was adopted, so that's a great thing. I had bite 226 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,679 marks all over its body, it was missing its tail also, 227 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,639 and now it's been adopted by a loving home. So 228 00:12:32,039 --> 00:12:35,240 the abused in neglect, the abused dogs that are missing 229 00:12:35,639 --> 00:12:39,159 like limbs and stuff like that always strike me because 230 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,480 not just but the fact that they act as if 231 00:12:42,519 --> 00:12:46,919 nothing has happened. There's still the same loving, unconditional love 232 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,440 type animals, but the fact that people are willing to 233 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,279 take these animals into their home. It just shows that 234 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,399 there's still faith in humanity, that there's still good people 235 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:59,240 out there that want to give back. So that's why 236 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,320 I love them. I mean, everybody wants to adopt a 237 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,879 puppy or a kitten, Well what about all these other 238 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:07,000 animals that are left for dead? You know, exactly so. 239 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: And especially the ones without a tail. Is hard for 240 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,679 them to talk to other dogs because the tail is 241 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,320 such a significant communication tool, you know, So when a 242 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:21,320 dog is missing ears or tails, they're really hampered in 243 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,360 how well they can signal to other dogs. And you know, 244 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,159 it applies. It requires the graciousness of the other dog 245 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,399 meeting this one to understand intention and motivation. So yeah, 246 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,240 it's very challenging. It's wonderful when people adopt and do 247 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:38,440 You also get yourself situations where there have been natural 248 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,519 disasters and you have a lot of dogs that have 249 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,519 to move out of these environments. Is that something you've 250 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:44,279 also done? 251 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,519 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we did a lot of work around Helene 252 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,600 and Milton. We've been down to ash Fell several times 253 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,200 to get animals out of that situation. You know that work. 254 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,519 We just finished doing some flights with them towards the 255 00:13:57,639 --> 00:14:00,240 end of last year with this Will Pet Foundation. So 256 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,879 disaster response is an area that we're looking to do 257 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,240 more in because roads are impassable right after disasters, and 258 00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:10,600 the airports are some of the first facilities to open up. 259 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,879 And it's also very rewarding to bring supplies in not 260 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,279 just for our furry friends, but humans as well, whether 261 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,360 it be toilet paper, paper, towels, potable you know, like 262 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,679 bottle water, stuff like that. So that's extremely rewarding work 263 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,159 and we feel like we're making a tremendous difference doing 264 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,759 that kind of stuff. I also love the endangered species 265 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:34,039 work that we do. We do Mexican gray wolves and 266 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,039 red walls with the Wolf Conservation Center, And the reason 267 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:41,320 why that's so rewarding is because we're actually having a 268 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:44,519 we're single hand only having making a difference in the 269 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,799 proliferation of that species. Yeah, when you when you have 270 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,200 a critically endangered species like the wolf, and if it 271 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:55,080 ends up becoming eradicated, it means that another species will 272 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:59,320 become invasive. Where That's what people don't realize. We're all connected. 273 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,679 You know. Some someone might say, like, well, who cares 274 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:03,919 if we lose the wolf, Well, where would we be, 275 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,559 Where would the domesticated dog be without the wolf? You know, 276 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:11,879 you have to think about how evolution happens, how we're 277 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:15,639 all connected, How it's a vital of vital importance to 278 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:16,799 preserve these species. 279 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very important. We're all connected. Well, we're going 280 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:22,799 to take a short little break and when we come back, 281 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,000 I want to hear one of your favorite stories about 282 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,279 a rescue, so they'll be back in just a moment. 283 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 4: You know the expression cats have nine lives, Well, what 284 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:39,799 if you can give them one more? The Give Them 285 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,080 ten movement is on a mission to help give cats 286 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,679 an extra life. How with spay and neoter spain or 287 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,600 neotering your cat helps them live a longer, healthier life, 288 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:56,360 and it helps control free rolling cat populations too. Learn 289 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,799 more about the benefits of spay and neuter and meet 290 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,159 Gooter the neoter caat at Give Them ten dot org. 291 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,679 That's give them ten dot org. 292 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Hey friends. If you like what you're hearing and want 293 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:14,279 to learn more, check out doctor Joseph's book The Human 294 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:20,639 Animal Connection, Deepening Relationships with animals and ourselves, or visit 295 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:26,480 the website The Humananimalconnection dot org. To book an online consultation. 296 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,080 Thank you for loving animals. Now back to the show. 297 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 5: Let's Talk Pets on Petlife Radio dot Com. 298 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,679 Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Human Animal Connection. I'm Genie Joseph 299 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,200 and I am speaking with Michael Schneider and he is 300 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,679 one of the founders of Pilots to the Rescue and 301 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:53,759 they find dogs that are in dire straits that need 302 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:57,080 to get to better situations so they can find happy 303 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,799 and healthy homes. So yeah, I know sometimes I would 304 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,320 imagine that it doesn't always go as you had planned. 305 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,400 I know you had a story about a cat that 306 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,640 had a little bit of an adventuresome nature. What happened 307 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,200 with that cat? 308 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,079 Speaker 2: Earlier on in Pilots to Rescue, we were experimenting with 309 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,200 different types of crates, and we had it in our 310 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,279 minds that we would go with some some of these 311 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,359 cat crates that had zippers where it could unzip them 312 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,960 rather than like a locking door. Okay, And we were 313 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,079 flying along and sure enough, one of the cats got 314 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,359 out a bit of a escape artists and climbed underneath 315 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,000 the pilot's seat up into the flight deck and it 316 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,160 just wanted to hang out there, to crawl up on 317 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:41,640 the dash and we were flying along with the cat 318 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,400 and the dash, and you know, so that was our 319 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,519 early funny story with it. With the cats are very 320 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:50,519 intuitive they you know, they they sometimes love to be 321 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:52,920 in small, confined spaces and other times they want to 322 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,880 see what's going on. So it was a little startling, sure, 323 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,559 you know, at first, but it took us a minutes 324 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:01,720 to figure out what happened. We were thinking, oh, do 325 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:03,680 we forget to put one of the cats in the crates? 326 00:18:04,319 --> 00:18:08,799 You know, so obviously that crate did not work out right, right? 327 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I would imagine you always have to be 328 00:18:11,599 --> 00:18:14,079 prepared for the unexpected when you're dealing with animals and 329 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,160 with flight, That is true. Yeah, and I know it's 330 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,279 not just dogs and cats that you've rescued. And you 331 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,559 mentioned the wolves, which is so important. I'm so glad 332 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:26,640 you're doing that. You mentioned sea turtles. Tell us about 333 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,759 that the experience with the sea turtles. How do you 334 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,519 they they have to be in water or what's the 335 00:18:31,559 --> 00:18:32,319 story with them? 336 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: They Well, we transport sea turtles and banana boxes. They're 337 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,960 literally like the Chiquida banana boxes, like the big ones 338 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,920 that the supermarkets get. They do need to be temper 339 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,359 temperature controlled climate, so we crank up the heat I 340 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,000 think they like like seventy eight degrees. And what happens 341 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:52,200 up here in the northeast, that is these endangered sea turtles, 342 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,400 and these particular turtles were called kemp Rudleys, and some 343 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,400 of them get quite big, like sixty pounds. They're in 344 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,000 dangered sea turtles and they overstay. They're welcome in the 345 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,640 cold northeast New England waters, so they get their equivalent 346 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,079 of hypothermia. It's called cold stunned. So they get hypothermic 347 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,200 and they have to be nursed back to health and 348 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,119 then we transport them to warmer water. So we worked 349 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,319 with the Noah Fisheries, Noah being the government organization, and 350 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,519 the New England Aquarium, and the New England Aquarium was 351 00:19:26,599 --> 00:19:29,000 nice enough to keep the turtles until they got healthy 352 00:19:29,079 --> 00:19:33,000 enough to travel, and then we picked them up in Norwood, Massachusetts, 353 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:36,960 and we flew to Jekyl Island, Georgia, and two stops 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,240 in Florida or Orlando and I think Palm Beach. The 355 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:43,559 ones in Orlando went to Sea World. And then so 356 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:48,720 these turtles, now you know, escaped a certain death and 357 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,160 we were able to make that happen. It's so important 358 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,359 with these endangered turtles to be able to get them 359 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,960 out of the frigid ocean temperatures. Also had the opportunity 360 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,359 of several year back to release some of these myself 361 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,319 in the beaches of North calin and it's amazing experience 362 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,200 to see how they orient themselves. Some of them get 363 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,359 a little confused when you take them out of the 364 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,599 banana boxes and they do sirples. Others make a dash 365 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,400 for the water. It's pretty pretty cool. It's amazing to watch. 366 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,599 Speaker 3: It's beautiful. Yeah, they that instinct to go to where 367 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,119 they're supposed to be, and that just that that ability 368 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,519 to say, Okay, that was the past, this is the present. 369 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:28,119 Here I go. 370 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:29,759 Speaker 2: That's right. 371 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: It's really a good lesson for us humans. I mean, 372 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,880 I think, I know you've seen a lot of stories 373 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,880 like that. Animals have been through terrible situations and they 374 00:20:38,079 --> 00:20:41,279 just want to be here now and live life and 375 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,839 be full. And it's beautiful that their spirits are not 376 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,279 completely smashed, even if body parts have been smashed. That's 377 00:20:50,319 --> 00:20:54,400 really love, right, I know. I know you have had well, 378 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,559 you had a cat named Oreo that had a damage 379 00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:57,839 like what was Oreo's story. 380 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oreo's really, it was a really unfortunate situation, such 381 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,799 a sweet kid that we rescued back in November, taken 382 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:12,319 in by Saint Francis, and the cat was found by 383 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,759 a staffer dragging its leg up of stairs of a 384 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:18,640 country store in a rural Georgetown County in South Carolina, 385 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,880 and someone from Saint Francis spotted the cat and brought 386 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,640 him into the shelter for the care. And it turned 387 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,440 out the leg was completely shattered and couldn't be repaired 388 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,359 and it would need its total amputation, and they had 389 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,920 no money left in their medical budget. And that's one 390 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,839 of the biggest problems today is veterinarian care has become 391 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,640 so expensive. So thankfully a great rescue in New Jersey 392 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,519 we stepped up and was able to get the leg 393 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:51,079 amputated quickly, and Oriol was adopted by a loving family 394 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,240 and it last time I checked, it didn't even that 395 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,599 the cat didn't even seem to care that it was 396 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,240 Miss Neil's leg. Oh yeah though. 397 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's just so great when people do step up, 398 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,759 as you said, to take those animals that maybe not 399 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,200 everybody wants. Everybody wants a cute little puppy or a 400 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,519 cute little kitten, And we've got all these animals that 401 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,680 are really in need of help, and it's so great 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,440 that if they're not in an area where they can 403 00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:21,440 find that family, that you provide that service, that you 404 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,519 bring them to a place where there is a family 405 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:29,160 waiting and ready to love and help that animal heal. 406 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah. And a lot of 407 00:22:31,839 --> 00:22:35,559 the animals that are unwanted or unadoptable are the ones 408 00:22:35,599 --> 00:22:39,680 that often get euthanized. And those you know, this Oreo 409 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,640 or the one that talked about before that reminded me 410 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,200 of my own dog, Finn is the name. Now, those 411 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,799 are oftentimes the ones that are getting euthanized. So those 412 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,240 stories really stand out because they're voiceless. You know, nobody 413 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,119 can speak for them. It's not their fault, you know, 414 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,240 it's really not their fault the predicaments that they get into. 415 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, think that man. You know, So, what is 416 00:23:07,279 --> 00:23:09,079 your hope for the world in the future. What would 417 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,920 you like to see? 418 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: I would like pilots to rescue, to have a fleet 419 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:14,880 of aircraft and ground vehicles. We do a lot of 420 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,119 ground transport too. We don't talk about it as much 421 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,400 because obviously it doesn't get as much attention. But ground 422 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,240 transport is a very viable way to transport animals efficiently 423 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,799 and economically. So I would love to have a fleet 424 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,720 of aircraft and vehicles across the country that we could 425 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,799 offer up to partners free of charge to help their 426 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,160 transport needs, because what I'm finding is a lot of 427 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,160 groups are paying they have a budget for transporting animals, 428 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,799 which is really a shame. You know. It's when you're 429 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:49,680 talking about chartering aircraft to transport animals, you're talking oftentimes 430 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,039 five six figures. I mean, it's huge sums of money. 431 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,039 And there are great use cases for aviation, not all 432 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,279 the time. As I said, ground transport's always going to 433 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:03,559 be cheapest, but like after a disaster, for example, it's 434 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,119 all hands on deckets get as many animals out as 435 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,119 you can. So that's a great use case of aviation. 436 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,519 But that would it pains me that these groups are 437 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:13,759 spending so much money lying in the pockets of some 438 00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:18,160 for profit charter aviation organization. I would much prefer that 439 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,880 we can provide that service for them, you know, with 440 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,000 with open arms. So yeah, I mean, we could do 441 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,759 it with as level as five aircraft across the country. 442 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,359 It is so crazy expensive to buy. They're like two 443 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,960 three million dollars used that it's going to take us 444 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,119 a while before we could build it out. We're about 445 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,559 halfway there to our second one, which we would put 446 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:42,079 down down south, so then we could cover basically Texas 447 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:47,000 all the way east. So that's my hopes in the future, 448 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,359 and also spreading more awareness. We do a lot of 449 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,000 work about creating content because even if we had a 450 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,720 fleet of jump Book jets, we couldn't rescue enough animals. 451 00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:59,119 They're still euthanizing nearly a million animals in this country 452 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,319 every year. But we get a lot of attention through 453 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,880 the press and great people like such as yourself covering 454 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:09,240 our story because it's interesting, it's a novel concept, and 455 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,759 then we have this amazing platform to talk about this 456 00:25:11,839 --> 00:25:14,960 problem that we still have, and maybe that little transformational 457 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,519 shift in people's thinking after they hear about our story, 458 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,920 Oh you know, maybe instead of buying this dog, I 459 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,039 should go with my local rescue and adopt one, for example. 460 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:26,400 So it's about creating awareness. That's how you're going to 461 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,240 really move the needle. We can't transport enough animals to 462 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,240 make a huge dent in that situation. But all this 463 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,680 content we create, all this awareness, all this news, that's 464 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,759 how we're really going to change people's thinking. 465 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the notion of really organized ground transport. I 466 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:45,960 know in some areas there are you know, where three 467 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359 different drivers will get a dog across the country or 468 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,720 something like this. But you know, we need a much 469 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,160 more methodical method like sounds like you guys are doing. 470 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,799 So that's really wonderful. How can people get involved? How 471 00:25:57,799 --> 00:25:59,599 can they help you? What do you need? 472 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,039 Speaker 2: Yes, so we do have a volunteer intake form on 473 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,319 our website at Pilots to the Rescue dot org. But 474 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,960 the best way to get involved is if you have 475 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,039 a large vehicle on you're willing to drive many many hours. 476 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,599 You can volunteer time for many organizations that you transport, 477 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,759 and shelter to shelter transport is happening every day, so 478 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,759 it's really helpful. Also going to your local shelter and 479 00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:28,039 offering up your help with even giving temporary love to 480 00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:30,400 these animals. You don't you know, you may not be 481 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,759 able to adopt for whatever reason, financial or otherwise, but 482 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,720 you can you can sort of check out a dog 483 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:40,480 for the day. You could foster, you could foster an animal. 484 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,000 These are very critical services that these shelters need, and 485 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,519 the animals need it too. They need they need your love, 486 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,960 even if it's temporary, so really important. Of course, we 487 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,920 always need donations, you know, it's never enough money, But 488 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,559 there are ways where I think it would benefit to 489 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,400 volunteer more, to get rolled their sleeves and get involved, 490 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,839 just because the feeling that you get when you give 491 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,240 back is tremendous. It fills you up inside. It gives 492 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,559 you that warmth, that love, that sense of purpose. That's 493 00:27:09,599 --> 00:27:11,759 the big thing I mean this is this was only 494 00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:14,359 my full time job since twenty twenty one. I'm a 495 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,960 COVID success story with my other business failing, and I 496 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,680 can tell you this work is way more rewarding. It's 497 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,759 better than buying a new car or a new pair 498 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,680 of shoes. Those moments are very fleeting. But when you 499 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,000 actually roll up your sleeves and get involved with something 500 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:33,039 that you're passionate about, the feeling is it's multiplied and 501 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:34,039 it's lasting. 502 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:37,799 Speaker 3: Yes well on a shelter volunteer. And then there's one 503 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,559 program here in Tucson we can take the dogs out 504 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,880 of the shelter for the afternoon and they just come 505 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,279 to this one place called Tucson Rescue Me Now and 506 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,759 they get love and healing, and of course in the 507 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,920 human animal connection, we have some healing techniques that we 508 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,119 do with animals. Some involve touch, some don't involve touch, 509 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,440 but we give them a dose of healing. They get 510 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,519 a nap, they get to lay on a couch, sit 511 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,079 with a per Soon, you know, have some good treats 512 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,279 and unfortunately they do have to go back to the shelter, 513 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,799 but we know that going back in just a little 514 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,000 bit better shape than they came in. So there's a 515 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,119 lot of ways that people can get involved, whether for 516 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,920 a couple of hours or a couple of days or whatever. 517 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,519 You have to help. And it's so great, Michael, the 518 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,319 work that you're doing. And we're so glad to have 519 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,000 you on our show. And I know some of our 520 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,480 social media would love to come and take a ride 521 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,000 with you sometime if that's possible. 522 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely, got to sign up right up on the website. 523 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: All right, that's excellent. All right, We'll let any last 524 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,799 words before we let you go. 525 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 2: We always like to say adopt don't shop. 526 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: Adopt, don't shop. There you go. Well, Michael Schneider, some 527 00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,880 pilots to the rescue. Thank you for the wonderful work 528 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,000 that you're doing with all the different species, and every 529 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,559 little bit counts, every life saved matters. 530 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on the show, Jeanie. 531 00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: Thank you see you again soon, fear well. Thank you 532 00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,599 for being a part of The Human Animle Connection. We'll 533 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,039 see you and hear you or hear us in the 534 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,799 next episode Live for Now. 535 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in to The Human Animal Connection Show. 536 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,799 Please visit our website, The Humananimalconnection dot org. There you 537 00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:13,319 can sign up for our free email newsletter, book a consultation, 538 00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:17,359 or check out our blogs and resources. 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