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<v Speaker 1>Thirty five after the hour. Welcome back Exus and Bros.

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<v Speaker 1>giving you updated info on some of the young prospects

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<v Speaker 1>and the men who you hope will wear the old

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow him on x or on Twitter at

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan's strack. It's pretty easy to follow and he does

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<v Speaker 1>a nice job of it and he joins us here

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<v Speaker 1>on Exus and Bros. Jordan, Welcome to the program. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for the time, man, appreciate it. You've saw a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Cold Keith, and Cold Keith has been a nice

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<v Speaker 1>player for Detroit adjusting here at the major league level.

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<v Speaker 1>What's impressed you most about his transition from the minor

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<v Speaker 1>leagues to the major leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good morning, Shev. Honestly, it's not shocking at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all kind of saw this coming. I

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<v Speaker 2>even talked to Colt Keith when I was down spring

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<v Speaker 2>training this year and it's like you just the guy

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of has an hit factor. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>slow start, and he kind of experienced that at Triple

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<v Speaker 2>A last year as well, where he got off to

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<v Speaker 2>the slow start. But once he starts going, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable and you can sense that he belongs. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's certainly the feeling I have got watching Cold

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<v Speaker 2>Keith in Detroit so far, and it's not shocking at all.

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<v Speaker 2>He just kind of has a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>slagger about him. Yeah, he's not gonna be the he's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be a gold Glove, greatest defensive second

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<v Speaker 2>basement of all time, but you don't I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>first month, he's been outstanding up there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you tweeted not too long ago that you think

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<v Speaker 1>he could be in the conversation for Rookie of the Year.

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<v Speaker 1>I really like why at Lankford as well, the adjustment

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<v Speaker 1>that he's made though considering he's up to two fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five and as you mentioned, he really struggled. The defense

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<v Speaker 1>I think concerned some people. Is his offense ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to be good enough to overcome his defensive efficiencies in

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<v Speaker 1>your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. I mean, listen, second base isn't some

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<v Speaker 2>position where you have to be the be all end all.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not playing shortstop, he doesn't have to play center field.

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<v Speaker 2>He's playing second base, and he has to be adequate,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he is. I think he's more than adequate.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's been perfectly fine. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't looked into the metrics defensively enough to know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's above average right now. But to me, the

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<v Speaker 2>offense kind of offsets it. You look at the last

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<v Speaker 2>two months, there really hasn't been There haven't been many

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<v Speaker 2>guys better in baseball. You know the whyat Langford day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Tigers fans are probably gonna look at Whyaet

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<v Speaker 2>Langford for the rest of his career and wonder obviously

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<v Speaker 2>because of the draft and why it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>either Max Clark or why at Langford, and the Tigers

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<v Speaker 2>went with Max Clark. So I think that Wyatt Langford

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<v Speaker 2>thing is going to stick in our minds for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. So I think it's funny that he's probably

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<v Speaker 2>potentially the rookie of the year this year if if

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<v Speaker 2>cold Keith is not there, because he's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a thorn on everybody's side if he turns out to

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<v Speaker 2>be a really good player for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to your point, look, Cole Keith's got more

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<v Speaker 1>homers than batt and better. So it's that's the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>line as of right now. And it's not like Texas

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<v Speaker 1>is making this strong charge for a postseason part when

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<v Speaker 1>so Perez I think has surprised a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>He too has more home runs than why at Langford

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<v Speaker 1>and justin Henry molloy. Now, I'm not saying you should

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised by it, but the fact that they look

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<v Speaker 1>like they belonged, that they're there, they're not overwhelmed, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is something that is worth noting. How did you

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that while covering them there in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, well, Jahan is a different one. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he was ready at the beginning of this year and

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of felt like he was probably log jammed

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<v Speaker 2>out up there. He's an interesting one though, because you

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<v Speaker 2>know he made that trade. He has been a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who has had to deal with moving positions a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he he spent so much time last year

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<v Speaker 2>with Alan Tramble trying when tram would come down working

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<v Speaker 2>at third base, and he wanted to be a really

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<v Speaker 2>good third base and it just didn't work out. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's more comfortable in the outfield. He told me

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<v Speaker 2>that in Florida this year that he felt he felt

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<v Speaker 2>more like a baseball player when he was out in

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<v Speaker 2>the outfield. There was just something about it that worked

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<v Speaker 2>for him. So Jay doesn't surprise me at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I thought he was going to hit once he

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<v Speaker 2>had some time up there. I don't know that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be an All Star whatever. He's a good

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<v Speaker 2>player though, and defensively he's not great yet. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's a good player and he's one of and

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<v Speaker 2>when I tell you this, I mean I mean this sincerely.

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the best kids you'll ever meet, like

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<v Speaker 2>legitimately one of the best people in terms of clubhouse

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<v Speaker 2>and leadership and just being a guy that people kind

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<v Speaker 2>of flocked to. So with justin Henry molloy, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what I saw from him. What's surprises an interesting one?

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't see we didn't see him as much. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who again has switched positions. And if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise this year, to me, he's the biggest surprise

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<v Speaker 2>of all of them. I did not expect this from

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<v Speaker 2>him this year, and that's not a knock on him.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't see it coming. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if the Tigers saw this coming either, If they are

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<v Speaker 2>being totally candid, I don't think they expected they would

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<v Speaker 2>get him, get this out of him, and that he

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<v Speaker 2>would be their starting right fielder on most nights. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of those guys that that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>came up, and yeah, maybe there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a surprise with him for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think look, I talked with Justin Henry

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<v Speaker 1>Maloy a couple of years ago when the Tigers first

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<v Speaker 1>acquired him. A great story by the way, only child,

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<v Speaker 1>mom and dad have done a wonderful job with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the concern for Tigers fans, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's justified, is that a lot of these guys are

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<v Speaker 1>coming up and you hope they hit. They have to hit,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're not very good defensively period. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason for that he told me that he really

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<v Speaker 1>felt better with his feet in the dirt when they

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<v Speaker 1>first made that decision, and then they switched him back

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<v Speaker 1>to the outfield. I get the sense there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of guys, there's a lot of guys right now in

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<v Speaker 1>this system who don't have defensive homes, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a legitimate concern. One guy who does have a

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<v Speaker 1>defensive home but is not up is Spencer Torkelsen. What's

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<v Speaker 1>he looked like since he's been down there in Toledo,

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<v Speaker 1>minus those two big games that we recently saw him have.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about approach, talk about a willingness to change

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, you know the other day on what

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<v Speaker 2>was it on Sunday? Had the seven RBI game on

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday and he looked really good, but that followed up

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<v Speaker 2>a three strikeout performance. I mean, yeah, like, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way to sugar coat is he struggled period and it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's there have been a couple of days where, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough to watch and you just keep waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>him for it to click again. I mean, listen, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy hit thirty home runs in the big leagues. He

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<v Speaker 2>has shown that he can produce up there, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>like from a mental standpoint, he is smiling, he isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He has been a good teammate, But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is mental. Like that's just that's

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<v Speaker 2>just being very candidate. Most of what he is going

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<v Speaker 2>through is mental. I don't think there are some like overarching,

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<v Speaker 2>sweeping mechanical things that you're gonna fix with him. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of it's mental. And and when you

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<v Speaker 2>get into that that play where you know you're starting

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<v Speaker 2>to fight it and not know exactly what you want, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be a struggle. I actually asked Dylan Dingler

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<v Speaker 2>about this the other day because he was red hot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there was nobody in Tripa a baseball hotter

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<v Speaker 2>than Dylan Dingler last week. And he said for him,

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<v Speaker 2>he literally just stopped thinking. It was like just seatball,

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<v Speaker 2>hit ball. And I get that's a real simplistic way

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<v Speaker 2>to see it, but like, yeah, Torque is going through

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<v Speaker 2>it like outside of Sunday like he's he's going through it,

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<v Speaker 2>and the strikeout rate is actually higher than it was

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<v Speaker 2>when he was in the big leagues. That's not a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing. But you just keep hoping that that He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to have something click. There's gonna be that aha,

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<v Speaker 2>light bulb go off moment. We just haven't seen it yet,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's probably been the most frustrating part, not

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<v Speaker 2>only for Tiger fans, but more importantly, Like nobody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to get back up there more than Spencer Torgel's and

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<v Speaker 2>I can assure you of that, like he wants it

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<v Speaker 2>more than anybody wants it, and it's just a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of when's it going to click for him, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>that'll be soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Strack joining us here on Axes and Bros. He

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<v Speaker 1>covers the Toledo mud Hands. You can foll him on

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter at x at Jordan Strak. So Torkelsen's attitude has

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<v Speaker 1>always been one that is positive. He's always been a

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<v Speaker 1>great teammate. I get the sense that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>young players are clouded by analytics in general. How much

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<v Speaker 1>do they use that with him down there in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know. I mean they're listen,

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<v Speaker 2>they're using everything that every tool they have at the

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<v Speaker 2>big league level for the most part. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are video guys down here, there are

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're going in and watching it. Bats, they're

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing all of the things that you see at

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<v Speaker 2>the big league level for the most part. It might

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<v Speaker 2>not look as pretty on camera or whatever at our level,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, like they're they're using all of those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But to me, I think for Spencer torbels And I

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<v Speaker 2>think they've tried to strip it down as much as

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<v Speaker 2>they possibly can, and the are trying to get him

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<v Speaker 2>just a base to start from. I think that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the most important thing is he needs to he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to just get comfortable once again. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I have not seen him comfortable outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday in a long time. Like he just there. There's

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<v Speaker 2>there aren't bats aren't comfortable there. I mean, he's swinging

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<v Speaker 2>and missing at pitches that that you just you're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of surprised at. You know, there will be a ninety

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<v Speaker 2>three ninety four mile hour fastball, but he'll swing through

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, that's that's kind of surprising, which kind

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<v Speaker 2>of leads me to think maybe he's guessing a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and and a lot of that's why I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it is mental And that's the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>that I've had is that. Yeah, maybe it is a

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<v Speaker 2>to get it, got to get it back dialed in.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think he'll be back up in Detroit at

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<v Speaker 1>all this year.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point. I have a hard time believing it

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Now. That's not to say, Listen, he could

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<v Speaker 2>on an absolute tear like he's got it in him,

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<v Speaker 2>and that wouldn't shock me at all. I think, you know, defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's been pretty good over at first base

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<v Speaker 2>since he's been down that part's been fine. And could

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<v Speaker 2>he go on a streak right now where he goes

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<v Speaker 2>on a tear for two weeks and gets himself back

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<v Speaker 2>in live sure, But right now the way that it's going,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see the advance. I don't I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's an advantage to him to rushing him back

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<v Speaker 2>up there if he's not he's not totally ready like

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<v Speaker 2>he's got to be. He's got to be in the

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<v Speaker 2>or there's just no point. If that makes sense, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes a ton of sense. Who else down there has

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<v Speaker 1>caught your eye that Tiger fans should be excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, listen, half of our Mudhens roster down

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<v Speaker 2>watching last night was it was like watching a mudt

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<v Speaker 2>Heens game because you know, Bli, Madriss, and Ryan Valaide

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<v Speaker 2>and Dylan Dingler justin had not.

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<v Speaker 1>A good thing though. That's the problem. I mean, certain

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a good thing. I like the Dylan Dingler

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<v Speaker 1>advancement for sure, and we'll talk about that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>But who's actually down there that you look at and

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe more importantly, scouts and coaches look at and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna be totally honest with you. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that there's a guy left down there that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to come up and impact Detroit. Not this year. Like

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Navagado, I think has had a breakout year. I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's had a really good year. He's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been a you know, he's a guy who can play

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of different positions and he you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>hit a little bit, but he's not I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not an everyday guy in the big leagues right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's just not that's just not who we is.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that Dylan Dingler is an everyday catcher

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<v Speaker 2>in the big leagues right now. I talked to him

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<v Speaker 2>Federomitch about that the other day. I just think I

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<v Speaker 2>think Dylan Dingler is major league ready and I think

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be able to contribute, and he contributed

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<v Speaker 2>last night. I think he can play right now at

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<v Speaker 2>the big league level. I don't know that there are

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys right now as you look around

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<v Speaker 2>the mud Hen roster that are going up and helping

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<v Speaker 2>in Detroit right now, they're just not are there. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys in Double A maybe, but not in

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<v Speaker 2>trile A right now, not after all the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>have been taken up.

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan Dingler. I said this the other day when somebody said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>they trade Carson Kelley, and that's the reason Dingler gets

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<v Speaker 1>moved up. He earned the promotion. How did you see

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<v Speaker 1>him grow?

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<v Speaker 2>There's no quest. I mean, he was he forced their hand,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, and I mean I think Carson Kelly was

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<v Speaker 2>probably getting moved anyway. But like listen, Dylan Dingler has.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing that I think he's probably improved on

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<v Speaker 2>the most is handling. Is handling a pitching staff. The

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<v Speaker 2>offensive numbers have been much better. He's been really good

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<v Speaker 2>the last week the half. He's been, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the hottest guy in Triple A Baseball. He had He

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<v Speaker 2>had four or five home runs last week alone, so

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<v Speaker 2>it felt like everything that was thrown at the plate

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<v Speaker 2>he was hitting out. And defensively he's good. He can

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<v Speaker 2>handle a pitching staff. I think that's been the biggest thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it helps having a former big league

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<v Speaker 2>He has been around, and having him managing in Toledo,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has probably been a really big help

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<v Speaker 2>for Dylan Dingler because you know, they sitdn't talk about

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<v Speaker 2>all those things. And he told me the other day

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<v Speaker 2>he thought he was ready and it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of time. And now he's getting his chance, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would hope, I would hope and believe that he'll

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<v Speaker 2>get a fair shot up there to get to play,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, three four times a week the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the way to show off what he can do. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think to answer your question, Sheep, is that that

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<v Speaker 2>he handles a hitching staff better than he did coming

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<v Speaker 2>into this year.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear all the time, Jordan, that this team is

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<v Speaker 1>full of pitchers, that this organization the strength is pitching.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you see that come to fruition in Toledo.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now? It's been a roller coaster. I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>been up and down. To be honest with you, like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Brian Salmons goes up and I thought he

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<v Speaker 2>was really tight about Brian Salmons was awesome last night.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave I think he gave the Tigers exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>they needed to be able to save themselves for the

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<v Speaker 2>next week. To be honest with you, which is extremely valuable.

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<v Speaker 2>There aren't a bunch of guys down here in Toledo

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<v Speaker 2>right now that are going to go up and help

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<v Speaker 2>at the big league level right away. I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just there. Just aren't those guys. There's you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some older you know, there's some veteran guys who have

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<v Speaker 2>been around, and but there's not a bunch of young

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<v Speaker 2>right now. You know, Jackson Job in Double A is

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<v Speaker 2>your next guy, right but you know he's still got

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of time, and I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll see him in Toledo this year. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that we're gonna I don't think they want to

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<v Speaker 2>rush him in any way, there's no real reason to.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's no guy. There's not a ton of guys

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<v Speaker 2>in Triple A right now that are pitching wise, that

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<v Speaker 2>are coming up to help Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll keep in touch, man, because eventually the Double

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<v Speaker 1>A guys will advance. We think guys like Jay, young

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<v Speaker 1>guys like Jackson Job, and we'll obviously see some guys

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<v Speaker 1>go down for some various stints to correct a few

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<v Speaker 1>things like Spencer Torkolsen is doing right now. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the insight, good stuff, Thanks Jordan, keep up the good

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<v Speaker 1>work man.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely appreciate that. Thanks,