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Speaker 1: I guess it's just a radio thing. One thought per break.

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Why have only one podcast when there are fifty thousand

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things moving around us all at one time. Why are

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you shoving that into a potato bag aro? Dot net?

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A r E dot net, seventeen unbelievable podcasts they're waiting

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for you. Are you doing doing fantastic? Always excited to

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share a conversation with you because you're in that mode

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of always exploring and what you're doing with nash Fall's

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Let me tell you something. I think this is going

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to be a big one with your female listeners and

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your female readers, because I am seeing so many women

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pick these books up now and they're calling him their stories,

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and I'm going, go, David Man, You're really You're reaching

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out to more people than the first time we shared

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a conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is more of a domestic thriller. It's certainly

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different from any book I've written before. It's got a

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family at the center of it, a husband, a wife,

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and a daughter, and I just, you know, I wanted

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to break out what I've written so many books over

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the years. My job is to challenge myself on my

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comfort zone. I'd ever written a character like him before.

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He's just an every man. He's really good at business,

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not really good at anything else. And I just wanted

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to see if I knocked him right on his ass

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and took everything he took everything he had away from him,

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could he get back up and move forward?

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Speaker 1: So, now, when you write about an everyday guy with

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with with a family and everything, do you find yourself

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sitting at a Starbucks or a grocery store just observing

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people to find out who is my Nash?

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Speaker 2: I do that every day, every minute of my life.

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and going and meeting people and sitting and listen over

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you know, listening to conversations and seeing them make people tick.

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Some of my best writing has a little Greek deli

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near my office, and I go there and in the

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corner and I'm writing, but I'm also observing and listening

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and taking things in. It's just I love to do that.

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Speaker 1: So then when you have someone like Victoria Steers to me,

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this is a new villain because I did not know

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this before I jumped into this book, that we're going

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to talk about this. This is a completely different level

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Speaker 2: It is. Yes, she and Nash are the two dominant

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characters in the sequel to this. It comes out in April,

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and he gets the first three two chapters of Hope Prizes,

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the sequel to Nash Falls in the hardcover of Nash Falls.

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They dominate certainly in Hope Prizes, and they are equally matched.

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of mid stream. I had an idea what I was

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wanted to do with Victorious Steers, and all of a sudden,

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I just did a woint eight and I've done something

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with her character in the sequel I've never done with

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a character before, and you know, see if I can

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Speaker 1: Well, you make Walter Nash feel like that he's somebody

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that I've probably bumped into either downtown Charlotte or or

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we were at a grocery store, and I just feel

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like that I have bumped into him somewhere.

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new people like him, because that lends a credibility and

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a connection between the reader and the character that I

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think is really important in a story like this. You've

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got to feel for what this guy's going through. You know,

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you've got to root for him because the whole world

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has turned against him and he's a good guy just

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trying to survive. And I think if I can make

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that connection with the reader, they're really going to enjoy

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the book a lot more.

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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but see themselves.

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Speaker 2: It could happen, you know, and it could happen anyone.

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your entire life. The way the world is so interconnected people,

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and it's going to meet an end of your life

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as you know it, but you have to do the

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right thing. What would you do? You know, that's the

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question people ask after reading Nash Falls, and what would

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you do if you were Walter Nash?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you walk into the fire or do you

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pretty much pick everything up and get the hell out

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Speaker 2: Way exactly right. You know, it's a tough decision.

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walk into the fire? Because I would do that. It's like, really,

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that's what you want my challenge to be. Well, if

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I don't do it, how am I supposed to film

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a decision where he is the sort of guy who's

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very moral. He's you know, right and wrong. He understands that,

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it was the right thing to do just for the country,

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for his family. He wanted to protect his family, and

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he's also a husband, and that really counted with him

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more than the business side.

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Speaker 1: Did you find yourself putting him in positions of being

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more visible because I'm starting to see a lot more

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and with their family, whereas with my dad, Nah, wasn't

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Speaker 2: I think that the world has changed, you know, generations

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have changed, and we're seeing we're seeing you know, dad's

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become more involved with their kids. And I was involved

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with my kids, even though you know, as a writer,

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the world promoting books and stuff. But I tried to

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never miss the important moments with my two kids they're

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both grown now, because that was important. You know, I'm

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a writer, but being a father is far more important,

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at least for me. I wanted to show that. I

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I'm an author, but the thing is is,

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got to sit there and put everything together. And this

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has got to happen up up up about It's almost

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like a game of creating music.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, you're you're creating, you know, a

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sculpture out of clay that you know, a hard lump

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into something memorable, and my job is to make it

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look seamless. But it is anything but seamless or easy.

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and forward, making mistakes, going back, rebuilding, tearing down, going

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back and rebuilding again, over and over until you get

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you get it where it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: So then how do you make Nash so every day

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in the way that he's not perfect? And most people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for him, I think I'm far more interested in

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just people who are not you know, the White Knights

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and the perfect. He makes mistakes because we're all make mistakes.

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on our butt, So that gives the connection I don't

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want to make, you know, I find it very boring

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to find someone who never makes a mistake, never fails,

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because that's just not life, and it doesn't make your

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root for the person. Sometimes it makes your root against

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the person. You know, you know, perfect bastard, get out

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of here. So I like the fact that Nash fails.

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confidence sometimes because he's in an utterly new world where

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he has no idea what he's supposed to do, and

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it's frightening. But at the same time he's trying. And

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right wrongs and to help his family, I think reader

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is going to be there with him.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with David Baldocci coming

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up next, the name of his new book, Nash Falls,

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the first in a series. We are back with David Baldocci. Well,

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you got such an everyday moment here, because I mean,

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you know something with Victoria as well as Nash and

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she finds out that he's helping out the FBI. That

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happens in the everyday world, and relationships shatter, they do

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not ever heal because you went against something that I

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didn't think you should be doing.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was you know that, And that does happen.

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phones everywhere, you've got social media, there's no safe place anymore.

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the FBI could say, well, this is going to be secret,

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no one will find out. Of course, people are going

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to find out, and they did find out with Walkonnash

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and put him in a terrible situation and flip the

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book and the story on top of itself and had

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to go into a totally different direction.

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Speaker 1: And he's got to go in there and he's got

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to remember what his relationship was with Victoria. To me,

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the present place of now and you're stepping back and

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I'm going, oh, oh, oh, let's see how this plays out?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really you know this The plot is multifaceted,

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I went step took a step forward, took three steps back.

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nothing was going to go smoothly. It was all going

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to be a total mess in chaotic at times. And

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the best he could do is survive those moments and regroup,

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try to become a little bit more proactive instead of reacting,

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and try to make a decision with to keep breathing

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going forward. That's the best he could do.

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Speaker 1: So now, with the family around him, is natch the

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kind of character that says, Okay, kids, you probably know

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more than me on this digital stuff, so why don't

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you teach me something so I can use it in

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the future on one of my projects.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a man who knows his limitations and weaknesses,

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so I don't think he's ever a person who would

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not would turn away help when it was offered.

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Speaker 1: See, this is every bit the reason why this is

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going to be a great series, because you're making this

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guy the guy that it's like, I want to know him,

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I want to go to his barbecue.

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him that way. I'm going to bring him back in

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quite a few books I not. I like spending time

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with him. It's a very interesting character for me, and

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so I hope people I hope people really relate to him.

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Speaker 1: As that writer, do you sit back and look at

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pictures of different people to see if you can capture

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their personality? And because I mean it's almost because I

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mean the continuity in this is amazing. I don't know

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who's doing your continuity on that, but you're spot on

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all the way through.

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Speaker 2: Well thank you. I am immerse myself in every book,

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page to page, chapter, chapter. You know, from page one

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to page four, dred and twenty because it's my life

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at that moment in time, and that's where I need

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to be. So if I don't know what's going on,

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I can't make the continuity work, then I'm not doing

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my job. So that's what it's very important to to

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Speaker 1: So then that means that you're in control of the pace.

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how do you find the pace in your breathing in

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order to say, slow it down, don't give them too much,

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let them feel this this anxiety, now get them. It's

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almost it's like you're waiting for us to have that

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I've wade thousands of books over the course of my life,

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and I understand pace, and I understand turning the tap

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off and turning it back on and giving them a

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little bit and then hitting them with the whopper and

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knock them, you know, c across the room. So I've

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gotten developed a good feel for that in my mind.

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by frame, every beat. I know where I'm going to go.

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I know what I want him to do, and I

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know what I want the result to be for either

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the viewer if you're watching it, or the reader if

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you're reading it. So I've got a good feel without

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over the years.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that name, Walter Nash. Okay, so when

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I hear Walter, I'm thinking of my father's generation and Nash.

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I had an uncle Nash, So it's almost like, Okay,

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why is this happening. It's almost like my father and

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my uncle are in the same room with me, and

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that's who I envision inside this book when I'm reading it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're a spot on because Walter is an old

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fashioned name, and I and that for me, he's sort

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of in many ways an old fashioned guy. And you know,

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I don't know, na I just love the name Nash,

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and I wanted to have a character with that name,

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and it just really clicked because he's old school. You

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look at him, he's a businessman. You know, he goes

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to work every day, he works on these deals people

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don't understand, but he gets paid a lot of money

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to do it. And lots of people across the world

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do that, and they seem to be sort of stayed

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and boring, and you know what they do, they do,

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and so Walter naturally shit that. And then what I

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wanted to do was I just wanted to take that

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world completely away from him and see if he could

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still survive.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the font in the book, because I

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believe that it doesn't matter what generation you're part of.

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Font is everything, and you have all and I may

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have talked to you about this in the past, the

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font that you have inside your books, it is so

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welcoming to the eye. There's no squinting, there's no challenge

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to it. It's it's almost like, oh, this was written

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for me. He did this for me. Screw everybody else,

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this is for me.

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Speaker 2: We always try to make the you know, the reading

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easy and pleasurable. I don't you know, I don't want

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to make it hard, whether you read it in the book,

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you read it on a you know, an electronic reader.

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It's all about I don't want that to distract from

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a story. I want to put you in a place

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where you're completely comfortable, and I can make you incredibly

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uncomfortable with the story.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love I love the place where on the

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front cover And this had to have been a lot

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of thought too. And this is marketing where a thriller

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is in very small lettering over here in the left

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hand side, which to me is the most important part

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of any type of page, left hand side, right where

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the thumb would be. Boom, got your attention, You bought

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the book. We're on our way to second book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the covers are really important, even you know, I've

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written so many books, but I tell it the art

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department of my publisher. Look, pretend this is my first

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novel and that nobody knows who I am. They never

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picked up one of my books before, And let's engage them.

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And how are we going to engage them? Because covers

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are the first impression of book makes with any reader.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Where can people go to find out more about you?

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Because David twenty minutes with you is not enough, It

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never is.

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Speaker 2: They can go to David Baldocchi dot com for all

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the stuff going on in my publishing life and then

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wish you well Foundation dot org about our literacy charity. Yes,

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you can find out more about that too. Yes.

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Speaker 1: So do you ever sit back? This is between two

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authors here now, do you ever sit back and look

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at the beauty of like this current book and then

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go back to your first book and say, my god,

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look at the growth and just the beauty of my books.

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Speaker 2: I do you know, I've never taken me of this

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for granted, it's quite like the evolution you get. You

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gotta take a few moments to you know, actually enjoy

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it and embrace it.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Thank you? Enjoyed it as always