Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to your monthly edition of
the Gimmick Wrestling Show on the geek Vers channel, bringing
everything down the past month of wrestling. We got a
lot of stuff talk about, so that's why I'm talking fast.
But I'm the Canadian Nightmare. Trust. Now I'm joined by
I Suppose who has no nickname? So is this on?
Speaker 2: I had lots of options, but I forgot to write
any of them down, so I guess.
Speaker 1: That's fair, the true in form. And then we're joined
live from the Shark Day here Sharkcage. David, how's it
going tonight?
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm loving these early ending pay per views
or premium live events. I'm all here for it.
Speaker 1: Oh I know, I still because just because was it
aw so around, I still call them like paper because
there's still a pay per view that exists and everything,
so it's not for me. And even then, like I
just peel, I have not learned.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say once they come to max, so
no of those lots of paper them.
Speaker 3: So technically I'm still paying for peacocks, so that's paper.
Speaker 1: But that's your premium live event, right, it's not a paper.
I guess it's like a pay per view. I'm not sure,
but that's right now. I'm just using the Rock as
the thumbnaw. I can't find a great photo. You people
on the internet. Stop sharing like seven twenty photos, you know,
like come on now.
Speaker 2: But the Rock main event and just to raise the eyebrown.
Speaker 1: So we'll get in that because I feel like this one,
there's lots of stuff that we did. We talked about
some predictions. We're gonna be the rundown is. We're gonna
talk about bad Blood first, and we're gonna talk about
other tingentral WDE things the next the NXT debut, and
then we're gonna talk about the vinstock for a little bit.
Then we'll talk about some a w But there's gonna
be lots of just hot takes and free agency. Of course,
lots of hot takes in the middle. That tranker is
fucking mint. So I'm gonna start with you subs. We're
gonna go to the main event first. I'm also gonna
pull up the Rocks promo because I've not watched it,
so we're gonna watch it live on air because I was.
Speaker 2: Like like the end of it and he didn't really
say anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, sure, I think.
Speaker 2: This might be a classic. It was a classic rock
like I'm the final Boss and I'm the boss and
everyone calls me the bosson no one's the boss but me. Okay,
if you smell and drove away, Okay.
Speaker 1: I thought it a bit more because he was like,
is I mean?
Speaker 2: I don't know what he said at the start. I
caught it like I saw it started, like as soon
as he walked backstage. When I caught it, he was
already like by the production trucks, like getting into a car.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because at first, when I had the first beginning,
He's like, am I happy about this? Am I mad?
I'm I sad? I'm I down the middle. I don't know.
I'm sure if there's gonna be anything of NOE, we'll
find it by scoopers and everything like that. But we'll go, well,
we're gonna talk about that main event first because it's
the hot button topic, but overall of the show, what
do you think before we get into the main event
and match my match and stuff, what do you think
of a bad Blood returning the first time? Since it's
five right, there's a last one. I think I don't
think there was.
Speaker 2: There was definitely. Actually no, I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I think because oh actually I actually
don't know if it's because three was Nash and Hunter
and then five was HBK and Triple H, which we
talked about a couple of weeks months ago where people
said that Rubin wrestling. Okay, yeah, that was the people
joke that they say that they killed the Battle Player review.
I'll be here to remind you again, great match. Don't
listen to everybody, you know, I gotta go what's I
haven't uh? What is the site called again? Drop kick?
I'm gonna go on there and drop a fucking I'm
gonna watch it soon this week and drop a great
rating and let.
Speaker 2: You can look up. I can look up if if
it has a rating and see what it is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure Pe just bombed. But I love
that match. So yeah, it has been literally twenty years
since we got a Bad Blood pay per view. So
actually I'll throw David firstcus sbub's doing some uh some
investigating on the numbers there. So David, what do you
think about the event overall? Before we talk about the
main event and of their stuff happening.
Speaker 3: I would say overall it was a great pay per view.
There were one or two beats that didn't quite hit,
but overall, like it started to straight fire out the
gate and then it ended with a good match and
a shocking not so shocking return. So I'm here for
it too, shocking not so shocking returns. So yeah, now
they uh pop age is out here delivering mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And obviously we'll later on talk about the historic event
as well. But that's what I was trying to say.
There's lots of hot takes I already see on the internet,
and that's it. That's Okay, what's the rating.
Speaker 2: Or well, guess what it is? I guess that of five?
Speaker 1: Okay, so out of five, I'm gonna say it's Oh,
I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: I there's only eleven, eleven people have rated it.
Speaker 1: Okay, then I'm gonna say it's under two point five.
I'm gonna say it's a two point two. That's what
we're gonna say.
Speaker 2: It's a two point eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 2: Because two people have given it five stars and the
and the rest are under three point five.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I haven't watched it a while, but I
would at least give it a four. I liked the drama.
They even shout out tonight that it was like the
longest Hell in the Cellar or something like that.
Speaker 2: I most liked. The review of it says it's too long,
but it's it's the rivalry deserved. It did.
Speaker 1: Everything, and I do get it. There's one shot within
the mat there's just dead for like three minutes. But
we'll move on. We'll debate one day. Maybe well we
should do a watch along when if there's a slow month,
we'll do a watch along and just see. But yeah,
that'll be one that will do part one the news
and then part two the bad Blood watch along. But
I suppose what do you think of the show?
Speaker 2: I'd say overall, I enjoyed it. There's definitely some like like,
okay matches I'd say in the middle, But there are
also some matches I think I liked more than most
people online.
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, I saw it, I had Jack's
Defender over here.
Speaker 2: But overall, yeah, I liked it. I think the tag
mat she was like it was. It was weird. I
don't know if I didn't dislike it, But I don't
know if I really loved it at any point, but
I thought it was enjoyable and it was just like
it was just like hot Tag, then just like work
the corner and then hot Tag since both of them
can get the hot Tag pop, it was just cycling
between them for a while. But I like the whole
Jimmy return. I'm kind of interested in this trio. I
didn't think there would never be a Cody Roman Jimmy trio,
seemingly facing maybe the Rock and Jacobattu and Sol was
the co at some point, I guess, so yeah, but yeah,
I'm interested to see where it goes and overall a well,
a great start to the show, obviously with the first match.
Speaker 1: Another big debate this weekend of what should have gone
A lot of politiccking debates going on right now.
Speaker 2: I saw someone say if this show could have been
in reverse, which I think might have worked.
Speaker 1: It's tough because like I I, I agree and don't agree.
So we had talked both in the discord. Join our discord.
We're always talking wrestling, I said, like meming, but I
still believe that that. I was like, I don't believe
Roman's not many men in this pay per view, you know,
like I just had my boot, like especially especially with Punk,
especially like and I don't care what people say. It
was less than two years ago when Roman shit talked
and was like, yeah, I don't like that guy. He
meant it really hard for me. He like the shirt
and needle mover was based off of like his view
of seeing punk while he was at aaw not even
while he's in the company, so there was no way
they go, what, yeah, Punk's going on last? Uh uh?
Like I could just see Rome and even then, like,
I do get it because people have that's the other
meme right of all punk and twenty eleven. So the
champishoure going last? I do believe that as well. I
was very salty. I did not like the entrances. I
did not like that Cody. It's always it's just a
minor thing, but I hated that Cody came out first.
He's the champ and he should be like he's I
don't care about the band whatever. They can set them
all up, so anyways, we'll get in that wing in
the match. But yeah, the show overall, I think I
think if you reverse it, because oh that's what we're
talking about, it's tough because I was fully on board that, Okay,
whatever Cody Roman I get at his hometown the champ.
But if you're talking about hype level for the matches,
I see why I held the cell and yes, definitely
was the better match, like spoils for my thoughts there,
but I thought, Okay, if Rock's gonna come back, it's
gonna be like how in what is it? Oh three?
I guess when Ko and Roman Reign's main evented Rumble,
and it was just to do the whole Samy angle.
Speaker 2: Right, like like CM Punk. Not that this was planned
out that far ahead, but like having a great ending
like the Rock coming out. Sometimes like people forget about
some like people remember Punk returning at Survivor series. I
don't think they remember that Dragon Lee versus Santos Escobar
was like anate Survivor.
Speaker 1: And I think, like with the Punk thing, though that's
a little different because like that was he's jumped from
a W. I thought, okay, Rock should be last because
it's the Rock. But I thought there was gonna be
more to it. I thought there was gonna be some stuff,
and I thought that like the Rock. Just I feel
a little bad for the crowd because that does suck
of like you got to see the rock, but you
saw the rock, especially if you don't have a monitor,
you can't. He's just standing there straight he put and
especially when he was doing his fingers as like oh fuck,
something huge, like there's gonna be a turn, like another something.
Speaker 2: Put like like one, and then he put four. I
was like, are four more someone? Yeah? I felt like
like he's like one, like okay, obviously that's him, and
then he's like four on like four people like I
was expecting. And then they played I think he did
the four and they played his music again, yes, like
he was leaving. But I thought that was like someone else,
like these four people are coming.
Speaker 1: Out me too, especially because I feel like the lights
like went before the music, so it's like, oh ship
like something. I even thought it was something like.
Speaker 2: They started his music like already on like the guitar parts,
so it didn't sound like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought there was a chance. When he did
the count the inn, I thought it would have been
great ending if Jimmy fucking Super kicked Roman and it
would have been like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Because he was like he's standing like behind them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so overly like I love you, like
we gotta help him, like he's so big yeah, and
like Hi and SU's in the chat. He's gonna listen
to more. He messaged me. He's like, what the fuck's
up with Jimmy because, like it is true before I
didn't mean to cut you off, David, but like before,
I forget this. It's like Jimmy USO. You get the
pop it's hype. But he's been one of the worst
booked characters since summerslim of last year. He turned on
his brother. It made no sense. They never made sense
because he was the guy saying like, hey, Roman's an asshole,
we shouldn't work with him. Then he turned on Jay
and now this guy who's been abused for you know years,
he just goes it's Stockholm syndrome. He goes right back
to Roman. So that's why I thought, oh, this could
make sense if he kicks them and then Cody shocked.
The other Bloodline people come back and Rock beats them up.
So the long point is that's why I do think
Hell himself probably should have may have been because we
didn't get a big angle. It was just Okay, Rock's back,
which is cool, big pop. But if there would have
been like a the bloodline turns on Sammy's Zane like
the you know, they turn on Roman, Cody beat him down.
Then it's like, okay, that's an angle that's hot. But
just for the rock to come out, it's like cool.
But again, I feel bad for the live crowd that
even though like the lights can go out and he
didn't talk after, like you see him walk out and
then walk away, it's like all right, like I don't know,
I guess you got to see the rock, but not
really like you saw him from afar for a few minutes.
He raised his eyebrown left and it's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought that with his whole hand movement thing, it
was going to be set with the shield all over again,
like that was gonna be Jimmy's turn, like he was
motioning for Jimmy to pull and it was gonna be
one more time when Roman takes the chair to the
back and he was gonna align with and you.
Speaker 1: Could have set that up to you could have had
Jimmy run around get the chair to fight off the
old blood line or the new blood line and have
that still hole.
Speaker 3: I thought something was going on. I thought that the
Tron was going to change something. You just did the
and I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they restarted his music and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like cool, yeah, And I guess that is what I
said to Haines that what they're gonna do is now,
it's gonna be a few weeks because something like Okay,
let's I guess it's tough for me to ask this,
but I feel like they're gonna do a few weeks
of who is the Rock with right? Is he with Roman?
Is he with the blood line? Does he have his
own blood line? But what I was going to ask
is like, is Rock wrestling at Survivor Series? Because I
feel like he has to now with him coming back
now right, like it would feel weird for him to
be back and then what on SmackDown come back and
be like you know, I'm watching it and I'll be
back again one day. It's like that's just a waste.
I feel like.
Speaker 2: In the War Games, yeah, he can come out last,
could last. Yeah, he'll in your last like you're coming
out like forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And oh he's standing there. You can see him.
Speaker 2: Last year like he did is his five moves and
then just like got the pin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Rock can come in when everyone's like.
Speaker 2: On everyone people's elbow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he can come in with a bunch of people
are laid out so he can get his belt and
whip a bunch of people. The baby Face make a
little bit of a comeback because like I thought for
sure that Solo and Jacob we're gonna win. I do
think if the Rock wasn't here, they would win. But
because now the Rock is back, I think they have to.
It's odd to say that the Ogi, you know, Bloodline,
is gonna lose them, but I feel like if the
Rock with them loses, like this thing is just it's
really done. Like it's just like there's not like especially
if Rock whoevery verse at WrestleMania, Cody or Roman, he's
gotta be strong. He can't lose at Wargan and not
that he would take the pin, don't be wrong, like
fucking tong tongalowas taking the pin. Definitely yeah, Jimmy or
so Yeah, and then after he gets the mic and
he's like, this is my last match. I just wanted
to go out on my shield. Like he just completely
babyfaces everybody. But yeah, I feel like now he has
to be a survivor series, and you know, again, it's
gonna be interesting because now I think we've got you know,
new bloodline plus Rock and then you're gonna have Jimmy, Roman,
Cody and Jay. And I think, to me, you gotta
get Sammy because I don't care that he's not you know, bloodline.
Like by blood, he was just as important as the
rest of them. So like that five on five.
Speaker 2: I think very important just happened on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Let me put it in the punks of the press conference.
He's no pitching rockout.
Speaker 2: Look at the what I just sent here, it's the.
Speaker 1: Video, Oh in the discord. Okay, let's yeah. Uh, let's
see Kevin just turn on Cody outside? What he beat
him up outside?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He's just okay, hang on, yeah, he just okay. So
this is fucking that's interesting. I'm not like opposed to it,
because like that's some that's some creative, like tackling the
parking lot, but like did he just attack him or
were they having a discussion they need to in there.
I guess it's okay, it's coming up.
Speaker 2: I got this kind of loud because I heard people screaming,
so beakerful with the volume.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a cool angle, dude. So here a
full screen it. There we go. So you got Kevin
Owens he snapping, Yeah, Cody needs to get away from
this bus. The Rock attacks in there. It's like the
NXT parking lot, Like Cody's bus is a dangerous zone.
But okay, then you know, I don't mind this because
it's it's cool, gets them the trend. It's something that
it's like they'll they'll, you know, on SmackDown, they'll have
an actual camera guy footage of it right where like everything,
and I'm interested to see like did he just attack him?
Did was there? Oh Mychael, he's gonna charge. Was there
like a discussion that he attacked him? But this fits
with Kevin Owens character because.
Speaker 2: I could be Jimmy like if he's like, oh, you're
making friends with just some other guys?
Speaker 1: Was driving? What the fuck? Good for him? Right? The
Rock gifted it to him, like can you take out
Cody for me?
Speaker 2: Ko?
Speaker 1: You know your Canadian.
Speaker 2: Team Rock And yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: A whole bunch of but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Cody's getting beat Wall Triple H's in the
middle of talking about black representation on w w p
l's and you kill our black savior.
Speaker 1: How dare you the guy holding the banner for the
Black Communion rest He had.
Speaker 3: An HBCU band come out and do his intro and
then you have him get beat down like this, And.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were talking about saying Snoop
Dogg's last Black Man went on to you know, Cody,
he's carrying that banner, he's he's the guy. But no,
that that's that's interesting. I like that, and I guess
I'm curious did they have a discussion before did he
just attack him and to go to the NXT parking
lot meme. I could be wrong, someone can correct me,
but I think that started with Kevin Owens when he
attacked Dayo with Tommy. I think that was the first
time it ever happened, and they never revealed it. They
never paid off. But like Kevin Owens has attacked people
in parking lots before. So yeah, so that's where it's
interesting because now you have we're gonna tuble the Crown
Jewel stuff, but we'll leave that. Cody's busy there, so
I guess maybe Cody isn't gonna be in the Blood Games.
Or Blood Games fucking war Games match. Maybe it is
just gonna be the four and four of Roman j
And I just thought the reason Cody would be there
because he would be the guy because I could see
Sammy and Jay not wanting anything to do with Roman
and Jimmy and vice versa, right, and Cody's like the
bridge in the middle that gets them all together. But
now if he's fighting Kaot Survivor series maybe and it's
in Canada too, which is that's interesting. You're kind of
putting Cody in a tough spot there because Kao's supposed
to be a heel. I kind of actually hope they
don't do it Survivor Series now. I hope they hold
off and maybe like Kao like does some shenanigans during
War Games, like attacks him or something, because I feel
like Ko, if you're trying to push him as a heel,
his first title match is a heel should not be
in his home country where he's just gonna get cheered
out the ass. But I don't know, that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I'm looking for the start of the Ko
and Cody thing. I don't really see, Like all I
see is like the fight and I see that photo
that's them like talking. I don't know where that's from.
Speaker 1: So then so then David, what do you think is
the what do you think is the Bloodline Wargames match?
Is Cody and is a Cody naughties with Ko? What
do you think is because we just because a second,
I would have sad one hundred percent. But now this development,
So where are you hot moment? Right now?
Speaker 3: I think that the it's not going to involve Cody.
Cody's now out of that match. He's going to go
and work program with Ko now, which makes sense because
I was thinking after this match, like where do you
go with Cody until everything is back on track with
the Bloodline, Like he needs to take a step back
from that, let them do their things. So now we
got to see, Okay, so we've got Roman with Jimmy,
are gonna need two more on their side? Which now
we start looking at Hockey Leo and bring in somebody else.
Now this is when we start bringing more people in Roman.
Speaker 1: You don't think they'll just get Jay and Sam like
Jay for sure getting back with them, because people are
even channing Yeat during this and I was like, no, man,
like Jay's Jay's come out for nobody. They chance during
Damien's match Nothing Champion or three and nothing channing the
Bloodline match. He's just at home. No, I ain't interfering anybody.
Fuck y'all.
Speaker 3: You know, it's hard to see what Jay could go
one of two ways. You can either leave him out
of it and let him focus on being Intercontinental Champion
for a while, do the whole fighting champion over the here,
or you can bring him in for that moment. It's
kind of hard with him being on Raw to get
him involved in those storylines. Yeah so, but it could
also be a situation where you bring him Hockey Leo.
You have three verses four who's the final one gonna be?
And then on the night you have Jay come because
that's when he finally makes the crossover on the night
of Who's going to be the last member, and then
you can bring him in.
Speaker 1: They could do it that way too, where they pitched
Jay and he doesn't know and he is the last
member and he comes again. That is close to Randy,
but that's why I wish to not wish, but if
the tag titles were still cross branded, you could have
Sammy and Jay with those titles and they'd have a
reason to be on SmackDown, right, and then they get cornered.
I don't know how, because you're right that they're both
on the separate brands. I still think Jay is to
me one hundred percent log And for me, I still
think you have to have Sammy in my opinion, I
just think Samy was so key to the because people forget,
like the Bloodline was starting to get stale, and then
Sammy gone there and he revitalized that whole thing for
like a year, and then when he went away, the
Bloodline got stale again. After they got through Jimmy or sorry,
the Jay turn, it was like there wasn't much more
to do anymore. So I think that for me, I
still think it's somehow Seth and Jay get over there.
I don't really know right now. I don't have the answer.
I don't have the booking window. Then could it just
be they might just be, oh, yeah, Roman shows up
on Raw one night and he just talks them buff,
so yeah, I need you, and then they're like, oh,
you know, I did love the Bloodline. I love those
merch sales. So I don't know that that's how I
think it's gonna go. But what about you, guske Boz,
what's the war games long term? We got about We're
a month and a couple of weeks from it.
Speaker 2: So, uh, war games like the teams?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure yet really because I was thinking
like there was a chance that they might do that,
like with Ko and Randy and Cody and Roman. I
was thinking that was like a possibility before this because
that was something people are theorizing, like if Jimmy's not
coming back. So now I don't really know. Uh, I
guess I guess it'd be probably four v. I think
last year ended up being like five v five because
it was Judgment Day plus Drew.
Speaker 1: Right, it was yeah, okay, yeah, I'm fine with five. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess it depends on if it's four
or five. I feel like I don't I'm not sure.
But uh, I was just looking up more of the
Cody Kevin stuff while you guys were talking, So I'm
not sure what stuff you did or did didn't talk about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we just still talked about this so far
we moved past that. But yeah, so tag match, I
thought it was it's exactly what the meme was right.
For hell, the Cell was like either match to night
versus or match, and it was that. It was a
lot of the cinema type of wrestling. I think this
was fine. It is tough when you had the Cell
earlier because yeah, quality match wise to sell DEFISHU on last.
But the Bloodline champ I get it, but yeah, I
think it was good, just never kicked into I think
they should have maybe had it. It's weird because with WrestleMania,
I didn't like that it was Bloodline rules or whatever,
the no DQ and they just went out to the crowd.
But I think the match maybe needed that a bit
more because I still want to see more of like.
Speaker 2: Well that that WrestleMania match, like the or what do
you mean like the tag match yeaeah, it was a
normal match.
Speaker 1: Huge, Yeah, but either way they like that. I didn't
think that match actually needed to have that. Where this match,
I think a few more bells and whistles could have
more of the street fight could have benefited. I still
think it was like a solid match, Like I think
i'd give it, like I don't know, like a three
point twenty five, Like it's like okay, that's a good
main event. It has your moments. I think Cody and
Roman were both great. They had lots of looks at
each other, little stuff like when they're talking about who's
gonna start the match, if you could see Rome's lip,
he said, oh, you're the champ, which I again hate
that Cody went first because to me, that's like they
used to It's it's little stuff, but they used to
do that shit to Punk and it just for me,
it always just shows like, yeah, it's like Roman's still
like the guy in their minds. I still think they
think that, even though well maybe TKO and some people
think that. I think Triple H is full like Cody's
my guy. But it's an interesting dynamic. So I'll wait
to see when they have an actual rematch and who
comes out. But I thought they had great ISM's. Roman
looked like a million bucks that man has been putting
in the work. He looked like he looked like a
comic book illustration. When he took a shirt on, I
cannot believe and everything, And I said in the discord,
it's not a bodysh anything. I just think that in
a w When they first started, Cody decided to be
a bit more of a heavyweight. I think he should
do that a little more, especially he's gonna be in
there rock like he's just looking a little smaller next
to them, and especially Roman, I think, like, get get
a few of those pounds back from aw just to
like just to look a tad more, just a measurable
to them. But I get it, Cody's the wily ve
Trina has all these tricks and everything. But I thought
it was a solid match. But I would never I'll
never rewatch this match. I would have no reason to
tune into this again. And even if I watched the
whole pay per views start to finish, which I don't
think A did. I didn't even say about the whole
pay review. I liked it. I think the middle slogged.
I think there's one match in particular that wasn't as
good as I thought was gonna be, and then there's
one that has screwy finished, which we all knew. And
I also thought the Historic it's the historic announcement too.
It's like for me, there's some cool stuff too, but
I think they build it up way too much. Just
say hey, Trip, it was the Tony kN thing. Just
say trip, Leach has announced it in a historic announcement. Okay,
these two guys are gonna wrestle and win a trophy.
No man.
Speaker 2: When I saw the title was under I was like,
are they bringing back the meme that people joke about
that Braun show and never defended.
Speaker 3: His greatest greatest?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: My, don't we already have one of these belts?
Speaker 1: I thought for sure I put in the disc or
when I saw, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be the
woman's title. I thought, you know, they've been talking about it.
They're gonna do a tournament and the final is gonna
be a Crown Jewel And that's way because they're always
tying to say they're trying to be more inclusive with women.
A Crown Jewel. Yeah, and what a way, Like we're
gonna crown the first ever women's secondary title at Crown
Jewel and everything. But it wasn't. It was just a
triple being like it is twenty four with a thousand
cold get it diamonds. This is like it's like, these
guys aren't keeping this title. It's not like you're gone
through you one, this is yours forever and like it
in the vault. Yeah, it has no significance other than
you beat them, and it is brain rates. It's the
old Survivor series. So I think the car ended well,
and I agree to the second match as well. We
get there was really good, So I think it was
like a if were like if it's like a letter grade.
I think it was like a like a bee for me,
like a solid. I was gonna say B plus, but
that might be too high. So it was still a
good show overall. I think it moved very well. The
main event took a little longer, but we knew it
was gonna go that route. But is there anything specifically
on the rock or the main event? Any spots as Bubbs,
he liked Cody's salute.
Speaker 2: When he too. I thought that was really funny. Man. Yeah,
he did the same thing that Jacob. There was like
a pen on the table. I was scared. It was
like they knocked everything off and it was like someone
just get stabbed by this tand that's all the table.
Speaker 1: That's how Cody goes out. Yeah, pierced by step and
he's out for a little bit. But no, I I
was I'm never a fan of Cody doing those spots
because especially even with a cage. When he did that
at the smack down Eyes, I was like, obviously to
do the moon so up, like man, you're tough guy, Like,
don't do it.
Speaker 2: He landed like bad on that one. On the going
off the cage.
Speaker 1: It's like they're still gonna love you no matter what.
But yeah, and that's so for me again, where we
end with the rock and everything like that, I think
it was a good PAP, great pop, a good moment.
I wish there was an actual story built to it.
They're getting use more, but I still think I'm in
the camp of Rock and Roman at many. I don't
not that I don't want Rock and Cody. I think
that's maybe the direction they're gonna go, But especially with
Ko attack him, it's like I feel like that, like
there's other directions for Cody to go, And I think
there's other people. I'm not as mad, but there's tons
of Cody fans that are just kind of done with
him in the Bloodline stuff. They want to see it
moved on. And I think he's always gonna be tied
to that though, because that's how he won the title.
But for me, it's like the trajectory is there of
Cody with Ko. Fuck. I don't know if I want
to pitch Brandy Worreton winning a third Rubble, but hell,
haven't win a third row, like whatever it may be. Like,
I still think you can do Cody and Randy at
Mania and do Rock in Rome and then like that
that's perfectly great. Like I I'm still more in the
Rock and Roman camp, but uh, I don't know. I
guess we'll see where they go. I just feel like
Roman story is more about the blood Line where Cody's
gonnattack by buses by his friends, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he Cody's got way of things to do
right now. You can circle back to them again Mania season,
but for right now through this winter months, once you're
doing your storytelling between now and Rural Rumble, take him
away from the blood Line. Yeah, you've had your match,
You've done your thing, all right, take my from the
blood Line. Let them do their thing and go from there.
Speaker 1: But watch Rumble. The number three is gonna be the
fucking final boss. He's gonna win, and then that's how
he get Cody. And like, I still think they're gonna
do Cody and Rock because I feel like this patch
they were really not that Meltzer has been on the
greatest track record, but he had said like, well, they
now see fought to and Roman as the money match up,
and for me, in this match, it sure felt like
they were. They had a lot of face offs, they
had a lot of like breaking them apart on It
felt like it what the pin exactly.
Speaker 3: Looked strong from the outside, the ring spot coming in,
when he's selling the chairs back and forth, everything, they
kept him looking strong, the no selling.
Speaker 2: Was selling the head. I was fully expecting him when
he did the cross Roads on the outside. I was like,
he's gonna get back, and he kind of did, but
I was expecting, like.
Speaker 1: When well, the crossroads are gotta take it, hit ten,
hit it ten times to beat someone sometimes, but well he's.
Speaker 3: The disaster kick. And then he popped right back up
after getting thrown into the timekeepers area. So I mean
they they loved him being super strong.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying Roman and Jacob would be
a bad match. I'm not saying it won't be like
a big match, but I just feel like it's odd
to do that before Rock and Roman. I would almost
love the reverse of that. Roman beats the Rock and
then Jacob and Rowan meet up and Jacob beats him
and it's like fuck man, Like Jacob's like, especially because
Jake will be a round more. But I just I
feel it's odd if the WrestleMania matchup is Cody and
and I'm saying this is a Cody stand Cody and
Rock and then Roman and Jacob. For me, that does
feel like I just don't know if Roman Hogan would
let that happen, unless Roman just hey, I really want
to work with Jacob, Like maybe that's it. But I
just feel like that clearly puts you in the number
two spot where I feel like Cody and Randy and
then Rock and Roman you're both at a spots. You're
the top tier. Sorry, Punk, you're not getting the main
event in Wrestlming. I know that's everyone's like, that's not happening.
I really don't think that's happening anything. You and Seth
they're gonna have a great like mid card match, like
you could have the match of the night. But I
don't see that. I don't see that happening. I really
don't This year, Oh.
Speaker 3: Punk himself, you can main event night one of a
four night spectacular.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and I agree with him. I'm the everyone
can say what they want. The real main event is
Night two E seth Rol. It's gonna be like, well,
I was on an advertised main event, you still were nine.
Speaker 3: The last match, the go home is the main events.
Speaker 1: Because like Romans never worked Night one, and like only right,
it's never just been yeah, Night one Romans wanted. It's
like he's always last. Cody, whoever's they chance could be
always last. Rock gonna be last because even Rack, okay,
he wrestled Night one, but he was back Night two
in the main event. So it's like and even then,
I just don't think Punk would even get Night one
right now, I feel like like he's still over his
ratings do super well. I just don't know the trajectory
of that. And we'll maybe we could talk about that.
We'll talk about the set unless you guys have anything
else to add on the main event stuff, not really, Okay,
let's talk about the cell then, So what would you
s bubs right off the hop? Do you got a
number flowing around for your cell right now? Did it
meet your expectations? Because it's been nine months, few would
obestee that was the big hubbut of his not main
eventing there Punk's Gonna Snap again and everything. But you
know that TVD. But what did you think about the
actual match?
Speaker 2: I love it. Like for me, this would be like
like a five star match, like a match that I
just like just really enjoy. Like it's a match that
I know if I watch it again, I'll just like
enjoy it. Let's say that's what i'd give for like
a five star match for me, Like it's a match
that I could watch many times and like this is
great stuff. Yeah, I thought it was. I thought it
was great and it totally delivered for me.
Speaker 3: Got it up there. I wouldn't go five stars, it
was good. I have in recent years, I have not
been as much of a fan of blood in matches,
mainly because I think a W in the last couple
of years has overused blood matches. So it's kind of.
Speaker 1: Tense over here.
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of taking no, it's just taking
some of the kick out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he hasn't used it in a while, like
to this extent, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I think that in this match it was
used very well. And then with the ref like trying
to come in and tee them off and all this
other stuff like I think that gave subtle beats to this.
Then pushing the rough way like I don't need you
to wipe my face. I just want to beat this
guy's ass, Like I don't care about this, I just
want to beat his Like that gave great story beats
to it. Man Drew took some bumps. Punk took some bumps,
and I was like, as much as he's like, I'm old,
I'm hurt, I'm tired, Like you're you're taking that table
spot like that cheese my table, like.
Speaker 2: Half the table didn't. Like his legs got like caught on.
Speaker 1: The like they showed the replace from both sides. They
both kicked up and they're lay It's just like and
he just drew to lift them that way. I was
like that. Especially Punk in the last two years has
had multiple injuries that have made been off for like
six nine miles, like he's he's on spring Chicken and
he's had some so they he really went for in
this match. I was surprised some of the bumps he
was taking.
Speaker 3: He drew on the steel steps. I liked as kind
of over the top as the whole I've got a
bag full of stuff spot can be. I liked it
in this case with the beads and everything, and him
just pointed on there again. It was just they were
these moments that they have built on that just fit
into this match, and so no, this was I wouldn't
say five out of five, but it delivered for what
it was supposed to. They both put on a hell
of a show and I'm like yeah, and then Punk
selling at the end of yeah, I'm old, I'm hurting.
I'm tired, So him collapsing out of there, He's.
Speaker 1: Like like, yo, I had stepped out of the room,
and then when I came back he had. Then I
was like, oh god, what did I miss? I thought
for a second it was a shoot, and I'm like, okay,
no he started talking about It's like, well, my jeez.
But family later mention this, he said, what the hell?
Turned Kale off camera. You're gonna get it now. Granted,
I do think you have a point where they do
miss it on that pop right, that pop of the
moment in the ring he turns and that like, oh
my god, so you do have that. I could see
maybe them do something. It sounds cheesy, but Kao like
apologized and said that he snapped and he and Cody
good guy forgives them and then Kao whether he's scheming
or he snaps again, I could see them do that,
but there is a new angle. I think it's someone
that's like in the production that they've posted where it's
them they taught they're just talking before and then Cody
says something that he points out there and then Kevin
was like push them the trust and then he starts
to punch him. So I do like, obviously there was
that photo, but I do like it shows that, Okay,
they had an argument or something, not that Kayo just
was waiting at his boss.
Speaker 2: I was trying to find like a like a clip
if you could hear them, but obviously, like no one's
close enough to really see with it. And then there
were people going around tweeting like Kao hit him with
his car, but I think it was like one person
saw the car parked in him like attack him, so
they wrote like he hit him with his car, started
attacking him, and then other people changed it to like
like hit Cody with the car. Like people started like
taking stuff from.
Speaker 1: Turn she running over Stone cold and attitude there to
take him out. But yeah, and I the audio of
that clip I watched, you just hear the crowd like
it's too loud and everything. But they'll have something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of.
Speaker 3: Those they're gonna release it. You could see in the
reflection of the bus there is the camera with the
light there. So this is obviously film that it's gonna
be released tomorrow Darren rawl or something like hey, look
what happened stays, Yes, stay tuned and find out more
on Friday, Like they're gonna drop something.
Speaker 2: They could do like show the fan footage like this
happened after the show and then on SmackDown they have
like the like the actual close.
Speaker 1: Up of our documentary team was behind the scenes, and
they can show you this Fries macdown. Yeah, I know.
I think they'll do that. So that's interesting. It's gonna
be fun. But no, I think with us Bubbs on
the on the five, I think I was there. I've
been bitch and a moan in the last two times,
like I hate that both matches at Shenanigans, I didn't
need the the whatever the god what was strap match?
And I hated, not hated, but I thoroughly disliked Seth
as the referee for the first match. I thought there
was always just some sort of gimmick that held them
back from having a classic, and I thought this was great.
There were spots they were doing that either I haven't
seen in w or haven't seen a long time, Like
just Punk take it was brutal, but when he took
that table leg and I literally thought McIntire like was
gonna fucking lose an eye, Like he was so close
to it, but when coming he had a whole bruise
on his head after And just stuff like McIntyre supplexing
Punk on a table that's just down with the legs
facing up that suplex spot the beads, which is funny
because everyone thought was tax But that was good stuff.
So No, for me, I think they have great chemistry.
I would not be imposed to them running this back
in the future. Sure, I still think Drew should have
won the series. I still think he should have won
the two and then Punk at this one. But alas
I'll see it sounds like Punk's probably onto Guther, which
will be an interesting thing. We'll talk about Guther again
later and oh god, the possibility thing they tease with him.
But no, I. I guess that's the thing. Yeah, I
definitely understand where the blood comes from because they you know,
Cody and Dustin brought it back and then after that
it's like, oh, look at the emotion they got from
that match, we should all use blood. It's like, no,
like the blood added to it, but there was more
layers to it. And I guess because it's n W,
it's happy to see how much Drew was bleeding like
a m that or there. I'm not sure if it what.
I don't know if it was a pack or I
don't know if he was actual cut because it kept
coming since I don't know if I didn't think it
was a pack, I think they did some blade in
his hair.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the supposed report is that like triple aches
and when people like they said like poke the blade,
like like in the cage match with Cody and Solo,
like when Cody was bleeding right after saying like the
turn buckle, they said, like the let people like poke
the blade just to get like a little bit. But
apparently like he like Cody Drew and punk like like
fully blade for the smatch.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you definitely what happened that could make sense
and you gotta just go look at the punk all
in footage when he's under that table and he'll he'll
fucking stab himself. Man, he didn't care like.
Speaker 2: Jack Bert. It's like the footage of Ko after uh.
Speaker 1: Oh no. But no, I I think this was a
great ending. I'm very curious what they're gonna do with
Drew because he's won the world title, then he lost it,
he won myny like he's he's done all this stuff
where I really don't know what there is not left
for him that I could say. I think he's the
hottest and he's ever been, but I just don't know
the trajectory of him. I actually could see him like
taking some time off and being gone for like a
month or two just to like freshen up, and that's
a big deal. And Drew McIntyre comes back, I don't
know if you can't really good there again. And I
think Goother is gonna have that title for a while.
So I really I really don't know. And obviously Punk
through like I said, we said, there's rumors a goot
there so and he'll be in the REALND. Well then
they'll eventually get us as sets. So punk, like I Punk.
I can see his story from November to Mania, like
we got that clear, Drew. I hope he just doesn't
get lost in the shuffle. I hope they always find
a place for him. But ye know, I thought this
was a great match, great feud ender. I'm still wanting
to see Seph versus Punk versus Drew in the three way.
I think there's lots of potential there. But I think
they did lots of cool spots. That spot where McIntyre's
going for the claymoar and he's supposed to land the
steps he did, but he hit the corner, oh my god,
because he did not mean to hit that corner.
Speaker 2: He was definitely going to or I forget into but
like definitely done that steel steps and like plans on
his back with the Yeah. I think he did it
with a Russell Mania against Okay, Yeah it was on
the table though, right, Like he's done that spot where
he like overshoots and lands on his back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's gonna some bruise stuff in. So that's
the thing. I guess for me, why I'm happy about
it and it with the blood everything is because Helma
Cell did Punk talked about It's like used to mean something,
and once Helen Cell pay review start, it hasn't been
something for a long time. I think the last great
Cell match was Ambrose aka Moxley and Rawlins. That was
the last time they did some stuff. But even then
they couldn't. That was more like a stunt show. They
couldn't do the violence, but they wanted to do like, oh,
what do we do about this? And here's a different
way to do a storyline. It done, here's a spot here.
But since then, Helen Cell's just like a bigger cage.
So Helma Cell should be a fewd Internet should be this.
I'm not saying that everybody needs a bleed, but they
should be busted it out here. So I thought they
delivered big time, and yeah, for me, this would be
a five star one. I don't think it's like the
greatest Cell match ever, but it is. I'd have to
because at one point I had a ranking I could
see myself. It's probably in the top ten, more near
the bottom. But still it was like, I thought they
fully delivered here and told a great story. I loved
the spot where Drew was pretending to pray and then
he low blowed him and I actually thought when he
low blowed him and then hit like the claymore, I
thought it was actually over. I'm like, oh fuck, Like
they're gonna have Drew win this and that's gonna be interesting.
But no, I great, great job, especially for Punk being
injured as long as he was. Man, they did a
good job. But now keep him away for a little bit,
keep him away for at least six months. I say
they at least at least for you know, maybe they'll
stare each other down the Rumble. I'll accept that. Do
have a brumble stare down, sure, but I don't need
no raw matches or tag team matches or anything like that.
So I think even then Drew and Seth have unfinished
business like run that back maybe? So yeah, yeah, anything
else on the picture here? Do you guys have any
theories where Drew? I said, I don't know. Do you
guys have anything where Drew was going or same thing?
You're kind of up and there on him. Yeah, I'm
gonna go away for a while. Yeah break Yeah, yeah,
you know what take because what is it? It's where
I was gonna say to Rumble because rumbles in February.
That's probably way too long, I thought, all, he could
return Rumble, but yeah, maybe he'll return the bill up
to Rumble and I'm going to win the Rumble and
and get to.
Speaker 2: Feel like come back at like the Netflix raw.
Speaker 1: Yeah he could. He's Johnson his first opponent, you know,
I mean would actually see nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean like a like a like if you do
that as like a first man, like that's a big match,
but it's not like, yeah, it's like a dream match
per se. But it's like this would be like a
like a good good scene match there.
Speaker 1: It's not a dream match, but it's something of like
the second I heard it him like oh I want
to see that. I want to see those promos too.
Speaker 2: I feel like I can, I can. I can already
imagine him like to go for the Claymar worse so
you know, pick some up for the for the AA
yeah from the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like that's one where I could see anybody
winning that. It's not like the theory thing where like
if McIntyre beats Sena, that doesn't hurt Seno. McIntire's a
fucking beasts right now, and if Sena beats him, it's like,
well it's on the farewell run. This was two months ago,
McIntire said, because I looked they've never wrestled, even when
he was like the chosen one. I don't know if
I'm figuring into plans by guarantee you, I'll be pushing
and I'll be nudging them left and right to make
it happen. Because the amount of stories I've got about
punk and things that happened when I was younger, I've
got tenfold on him. Oh fuck, I love that. That's
cool already. So yeah, I'm you know what I'd be
down if that was like Sina's first two that's a
great Netflix match. May have been a raw on Netflix.
Sena McIntyre absolutely book that that's do it. So uh,
next we had, uh Nijacks was Bailey, which I do
have to agree I was bugging a SPUs, but I
fully agree that I have to admit it that unfortunately
Nijacks is good now like she she she is she
she is dah because like I suppose you were on
the Round the Air where she was not only a
bad wrestler, but she just hurt people costly like it
was and it just felt like a very like and
I don't know, I don't know the one backstage. It
was just the amount of times that gelt happening. It
felt like, Okay, you don't give a shit about really
what's going on, whether it's just because of who you are.
And I do think her getting released and coming back
has helped, and tonight this was a really really good match.
That's why I send the discord. I was kind of
pissed when people are chanting for Tiffy. I was like,
Bailey and Nia Jacks are delayed, Like to me, they're
giving you like for It was to me like a
four star up until the ending. I think they dropped
down to three point seventy five because it's like Shenanigans
and everything, so that's where I am. I got three
point seventy five. But I thought they've always had good chemistry,
but this was maybe one of their best outings. I
liked it better than the Summer Slam match. There's some here.
I love the spots that are going for ny Is
trying to fucking hur Rock.
Speaker 2: I think the crowd was more into this than the
Summer Slam match because there.
Speaker 1: But then they didn't they started chanting for Tiffy. I
was like, oh, I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna say best Summery. Well kind of the same thing
because the Summer Slime match was like the crowd was
like dead for it until Bailey did the power bomb. Yesnile,
but then they go down and then Tiffany's music immediately right, yeah, yeah,
like they that's why they're both down, and then she
came out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will say that they chant Tivy, but
they were with the crowd, like you said, yeah.
Speaker 2: People saying it was like a like a bad crowd,
like they were like they chanted for Tific for like
a little bit, but then they're definitely into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And No, I I thought this was a really
really good match. Bailey, you know, can have a good
match with a broomstick, but it just was something higher up.
And I did, like, I do like what they're doing
with Tiffy. That's what I was pitching, where you're gonna
have a few more months of you know, her and
I and eventually it's gonna happen. But No, I thought
they they really delivered here. I think I has maybe
one more pay per view defense and then which that's
what I didn't buy. It was on SmackDown, Bailey was
talking about her being like Guthu like you're gonna be
one of the most dominant ones champion. And then tonight
the graphic was like second title defense. I was like, okay,
like she just won it. Like it's like it's not
like they only say it because bigger and that's fine,
but it's like, just have her have those wins. But no,
I think either it's the next defense and then it's
the cash and or is like Drew, like she defends
it than the one after, Like I think she only
has one more successful defense in there. It could be
a triple threat. I think there is something really fun
if they do a triple threat and Tiffy pins someone
else to get the belt and not Naya. I think
that would make Nia so pissed off. So I think
it's I'll say before twenty twenty five, that's my prediction
with Tiffy.
Speaker 3: So that means either war Games or Saturday Night's main event.
Speaker 1: Pitch Yeah, I pitched that last gimmick. I want happen
in the match. I want Nia to be down. She
goes to a table and Tiffy's like, holy fuck, and
then she pins him in the wargame match still has
to go on and they're down. Its like, I hope
it's war games. I think that's would be.
Speaker 2: It has to be on like opposite teams though right now.
Speaker 1: Have the same team as long as she's another ref, right,
like yeah, and the ref runs down, or even then
she doesn't need another ref because tonight.
Speaker 3: Technically the match doesn't start until everyone's in, so there
could be some fighting. The match hasn't officially started yet
because the last person's not in yet. Now it could
go down. She can cash in before the match ever
technically starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she could.
Speaker 2: And I remember on on like the Survivors series stream
where you watch and you're thinking, like, if Randy never
comes out, does this match definitely something like you could
start the match earlier by using the money in the
bank and then like, yeah, that'd be definitely interesting.
Speaker 1: I always thought they had to have their own referee,
but tonight they she didn't because she was gonna give
it to the one referee THO was in there. So
I just think it's like, there's only so many things
you can do with the money bank brief face at
our first time ers that is the first time or
like the only other one I thought would be fun,
but you can never do it is somehow get Like
imagine Nia says, Hey, I'm gonna go in the rumble
because I want to go and beat like I want
to have. Let's say she beats her. Here's my second pitch.
She beats Livit Saudi and she gets the fucking forty carriage.
She's like, you know what, I want to be aspute champion.
I'm gonna go in the rumble and do that. Could
you imagine if somehow they had a money make cash
in the middle of the Royal Rumble, like I think.
Speaker 2: For the winner wins the championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, then it's just like, yeah, but I just
think war games. But yeah, you're right, David. Saturday Night's
main event is another good option to because I think
they're gonna load that show up, so yeah.
Speaker 3: You for as important as that's gonna be, you gotta
load that show up with something so I can see
it there. I will say this, Tiffy has been great,
like amazing with her facial expressions when it comes to
the cash is the almost cash in is the getting
caught like her. Her whole style with that has just
been amazing. So I'm here for her for facial expressions.
I'm here for the way that she just heals it
up with that, Like, kudos to Tiffy for doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think the actual match?
Speaker 3: Actual match? Again, like you said Bailey could make a
mop have a good match, Like she's just that good.
I have been streaming the Horn of Nia's gotten better.
She had an interview on the pre show where she
even said, hey, when I got let go, that gave
me time to figure out who Naya Jacks was and
come back as the best version of Nia Jacks. And
she is consistently proven that she has put thought and
care into her craft and she has gotten so much better,
and she's putting on the matches that show it. The
way she lifted for Bailey on that Samoan drop spot,
I was like, you know, they were just working in
hand them like everything about this Like that's not the
Nia of Oh, She's she's putting on good ones. So
she does want to hold that belt until roll rubble.
Like I wouldn't be mad at it because the character
work and now the ring work are all there.
Speaker 2: Charlotte still needs to win it.
Speaker 1: By the end of the year, they are of that
whole queen thing. And that's one thing where I could see.
I don't know, I thought they said Charlotte maybe is
not as close as they thought, but I could see
that being where Tiffy Cash is in when and we
get Charlotte and Naya and it's like not, you know,
because it's tough because I do think Tiffy. One of
Tiffany's defense will be against Naya. I think they'll have
like a full on match. But we're definitely getting Nigh
and Charlotte soon and hopefully it doesn't lead to another
shoot just face palmbing incident, which was one of the
weirdest that era was so weird between that between Charlotte Charlotte.
Oh yeah, that year in Sharrett's career, she was on
a fucking like if you fucking pissed me off, I'm
I'm giving it to you. You know, I don't think
it's the case anymore. And everyone goes to that, like fuck,
Bunk's gone to that multiple times, right, But it's just
it's funny. But I think we're getting especially the queen stuff, right.
They're really emphasizing the bat on the queen everything and
who's the queen a ww, it's gonna be Charlotte. So
I feel like I don't know, but I just don't
know the timetable on Charlotte right now.
Speaker 2: So oh yes, Bubs about the match, Yeah, yeah, I
really enjoy toally, I said, I thought it was a
lot of fun, and I did like their Summer Slam match,
but yeah, definitely, like with the crowd not being that
much into it, they kind of just brought it down.
But I was excited for this one and it ended
up delivering, Like you said, yeah, that's someone in drop
spot really good and like it happened so quickly. You're
just like, wow, I can't believe. I can't believe they
did that. And yeah, they did some cool stuff when
n is like throwing Bailey against the barricade, like some
of those were like oh really hard, like they pushed
the whole barricade like back towards the audience.
Speaker 1: Someone the steps too. I was like, geez, Louise, like
they're busting out some big moves here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she did. She did her can run on
on Bailey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then then you had Michael colenkirk Raves like
trying to like they're like, oh, like they had like
a conversation. It's like les around her like that's a
hur I get what she was.
Speaker 2: Doing, but I did get confused by the same thing
they did on like the second one where it looked
like from the camrangle they were showing it on, which
is the same one, like they would have seemed like
on the monitors, it looked like Bailey had like reversed
some move and like brought her down on it. But
then it ended up being like a Samoan drop it was,
And then from that camerangle it didn't like you didn't
really see ny I do it, which was weird. But
and yeah, they were confused because they're like, oh, Bailey
like took her down and then I just like pinsert.
But yeah, I thought the whole Mattress grade was really
fun match. I don't know how long it actually was.
I'd have to look that up.
Speaker 1: All Meltzer has somewhere he loves his time.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, Drop Kicked has the US the times
and there you go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and the same thing with Bailey. I'm interested
to see where she goes because obviously with the tag division,
I think they're doing Piper and Chelsea. Well it's tough.
I feel like what I like about with the tag
and okay, here's the other thing. I know there was
another debate about this, but the host of Bad Blood whatever,
that was pointless. You didn't even need them there. But
cool you got Naomi and Bianca and Jade on the card,
which I found interesting. Another thing i'd say, you know,
minor note. I don't like when they're all in the ring,
they're playing Jade's music, not Beyonca's. It's like, okay, Bianca's
still like she's still to me, Like the second I
think they think they.
Speaker 2: Used Jades because it doesn't have lyrics. Yeah, just like
background music.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so so like for the entrance.
Speaker 2: But then when they win they use Jades like if
they're just like in a segment change, it is just
like the cool guitar, like electric guitar. It's like if
they're talking over it, then it's not like mixing. I
think that's why they're doing it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll give them bulgaan then, but yeah, they didn't
do much, but I will give them credit. That seems
like they have two storylines going on right now because
they have the stuff with damage control, and to me,
they set up that Piper and Chelsea could also be
like contenders coming up here as a tag team, which
they haven't really. I don't think they've delvin too much.
Like I think there's a good Chelsea. I wouldn't even
mind if that would be the team that would beat them.
It might be damage controlled, like Chelsea and Piper is
like a full tag team. I think there's lots of
potential there.
Speaker 2: I mean they were tag team champions for like three
or four months.
Speaker 1: Oh right, I fucking forgot about that, Spoz I totally.
That's when I was not watching full time again. So
that's why I'm saying in the back of my might
be I forgot, Oh it was a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're Piper like never never actually won the like
the it was like.
Speaker 1: Did you get injured?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: No, Chelsea won the titles with car with who was
it like she had a bunch of different tag team parts.
I think it was something to Ville that was on
it with Yeah, and then she got injured and then
Piper just like ran up to her and said like
I'm your partner now and then and then the storyline
was sort of like like slowly over time Piper became
more like Chelsea until now they're both like Fashionable and
friends and that's the story. So now they're an actual
tag team. But yeah, they were taxing champions for like
a while. I think they lost it to like the
the Casey's the Party Girls, and then they lost it
to the the Kabuki Warriors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. But yeah, the WST thing didn't
go anywhere. But yeah, then we got Damien versus Finn
Balor in a match that I I liked it, but
I thought, I think we talked about this the last
skimmick with all this could be a really really good match.
I think it was just good for me. I think
the problem for me not that this sounds like an insult,
but it just felt like a raw main event, where
to me, there's like pay per view matches and there's
like raw main events where they can still be really
good but sometimes they still have a cadence. I'm not giving
way too much. This almost felt like they were gonna
do more, and I don't know. It's almost like the
tag match where it never clicked into they both kicked
out of each other finishers, and I don't even need
that to be like oh to make it good. I
just mean, like, I think they were trying. Maybe this
is one where I just wish they had God, who
is it? Nick All is just say kay or no
Adam Pierce. Sorry fuck, I'm mixing them up. I just
wish they had Adam for say hey for this one.
Judgment Days banned from ringside. We already got damb banned
in one match. We're gonna ban him here because it
just turned into the regular Okay, somebody comes in, big boots,
somebody comes in clothesline. Oh, they hit Damien close spin. Oh,
Damien throws them over the top rope, that hit each other.
It just feels like what we've seen over and over
Judgment Day. So I think that kind of stopped it
from being, uh like a higher tier match. I will
say that they did convince me for a second that
Finn was gonna win when he hit those like three
coup de grass and row. I'm like, man, it's like
and I was actually kind of hoping for it because
like Finn.
Speaker 2: As this podcast was winning a match.
Speaker 1: Well, that's her second I did. But just like I
said this in the discord, so this is just for
the listeners, but Emily, my wife, we she used to
watch wrestling like all the time, and then when W
got bad, she fucking bowed out early before me, and
then and then I bowed and then she and then
she still goes like we went to a W last year,
so she still likes it, but she's at to be
a casualist now and he hasn't even seeing him come
down with the mask. She's like, man, I missed the
old thing, Palor, and it's like, that's just what I want.
My hope is we do the judgment day Wyatt six feud.
They lose that and Finn turns face and we get
the he needs to be the fucking demon character again.
He needs something because this Finn Bala the backstopper baler like,
I don't know so, but my main point is the
match I think was just good. When I actually thought,
I thought it could have been like a four, and
I think this was like a I don't know, somewhere
like a three three point five, Like the three is
probably too low, but like three point five even fields
too high, so I don't know. Something was it was
didn't click as well as I thought it was gonna.
Speaker 3: It was my most disappointing match just for what I
felt like they could have done and then it was
very paint by numbers. Yeah, this felt like a raw match,
just felt like we're just progressing the Judgment Day storyline.
It didn't feel like, I know, Damien said afterwards he's
done with the Judgment Day and all this other stuff. Now,
Like this didn't feel like a I'm done with you match.
We just felt like I'll see you next week type deal, Like.
Speaker 1: Where was the emotion? That's what I wanted. These guys
have been together for how long and it's such a
big deal, like I wanted. I know there's other emotional
feuds on the car, but that's what I wanted, was
some just just like some closure to it. I just
felt like Damian w a Number one contendership and he's
onto something else. It's just it's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, this was like this wasn't even a raw
main of that match. This is like this is like
a raw like like yeah, like three commercial breaks match real,
they do two minutes of wrestling in the team. I
didn't like this match, especially because I like Damiens so much.
This match is just like a super disappointment for me.
Before smatch, I didn't write it down anywhere, but I
was like, big match. Damien his thing he does. He
does the Hurricane rona if it's a if it's an
important match, it's just like, oh, he's so tall and
he's doing it, and he didn't even do it in
this match. So it's like they didn't This wasn't gonna
be a top tier a Damien pre smatch. And yeah,
I didn't really like this matches, Like I didn't enjoy
it really for me, it's like a two star match.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I fail. Wow, that's that's tough. So yeah,
not fans of it here. So yeah, I don't know
if they do it again. I could see them doing
some sort of street fight for like a raw main
and then or something. Raw is two hours, So I,
like I said, I hope they move on. I hope
the Wyatt six and Judgment Day Day their stuff. Same
thing with Damien. I don't know what's next for him
because if Punk is next, I still thought there's like
a Gunther Damien rematch that could happen, that could be
even that rumble, But I just feel like there's still
some stuff to do there. They could put them in
the rumble. I guess they get a good shout, like showing,
but I could see unfortunately, uh, some more Finn and
Damien matches. I think there. I actually don't think it's
the last one because it's just we're in that tough
period of because again, who's even Icy Champ right now?
Like Jay, you're not going after j Like if it
was Braun, I'd say, Okay, I guess see Brawn and
Dame or something. But I don't know. I think it's
gonna be more blood feuds with Finn for a little bit.
And maybe he won't even be on the Survivor series
card if they keep it to like five or six matches.
Speaker 2: So I don't know that's you know, that's Finn versus
Damien on like a street fight that is like the
raw main event for the go home to Survivor.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, yeah, And that's why I think it's gonna
happen because and and you know what, there, I guess
I will take it back where I said, I don't
know if we did need that, maybe I'll say I'll
give them a chance because I think they could have
something great and there could be some emotion and maybe
they were saving it and they like, okay, let's wait
for when we get the spotlight so who knows, and
then finishing off the card here and then we'll talk
about the historic announcement. But the time of Judgment Day
we got rear Ripley versus liv Morgan. So so this
is an interesting match like all around. For me, I
got the result that I wanted a man, and I
not feel good about it. And I also thought it
was interesting because I feel like they had in the
takeaway the ending. I feel like in the middle portion
I was really enjoying their match where even like like
like live found a way to get out of the
boldliness and like she was working over the leg and
I thought there's some good back and forth. But the
beginning there is a lot of okay Livez running around,
it's just redominates. And then even before the ending ending,
there's a lot of like doms getting out of the
cage and we're doing the pinata thing. And why I
didn't like the pinnata thing is to me that felt
too much like Ria a couple of times has punched
them or clothesline them. But to me, I still think
like save like her really hurting them for a big pop,
And for me, the pinata thing was almost like, oh,
this is like you're kind of spoiling the big pop.
I've said this many times. My vision is WrestleMania eight
thousand plus. She rips tight them and that crowd goes
fucking wild. But I feel like they're kind of spoiling
it a little. And now I think with this finish,
I think obviously it was a mistake, but man, that
really you could just feel the air go out of it.
Speaker 2: And share screen here to share my reaction to this finish.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely so. But yeah, if you can't share a screen,
it might be somewhere you get to like ask permission
or something.
Speaker 2: Lazy if it works.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the match for me overall, I thought
was was good, but.
Speaker 2: I see this was my my reaction here here now exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's and that's for the finish. That's for
Raquel come back. But I think for me it's like
the their SummerSlam match to me was definitely better, especially
because they had Ria like hurt. But this felt like
it's just had too many bells and whistles to be
really good and finish. Don't know who screwed up referee Raquel,
but what a what a stinker and whoever booked that
they should have a talking to super overbooked. I get
what they're going for, right, Dom's OPINIONA, the ref's gonna
go stop it, and then behind, well, the ref's not looking,
Quel's gonna attack. She either came too fast or the
ref was late, but either way, like you could avoid
that all by the ref goes to check and he
gets bumped by Riha and he's down for or thirty
seconds than Raquel does. Like I know they don't want
to do the oh a classic ref bump. Sometimes that's
the easiest way to go. You would have avoid this
because now because I suppose I saw you saying on Twitter,
it's the same thing where my pitch was, Okay, live
wins and there's no reason for Red to get a rematch.
She's lost, like clean but not really clean. But she's
like she's lost twice. So that's why it's like the
only way is in a few months she wins the rumble,
you reunite that feud we've talked about before, Like Bionca
and Jade's gonna do their thing. It's probably Sharon and Tiffany.
There's nobody I know. People keep trying to pitch Rheia
and EO WrestleMania. It's not happening. That's not happening. They're
both babyfaces. I'm down for the match. It's happened to
xt that's not happening. So to me, the only trajectory
is Rheian Live with Rihea getting the last laugh, the
final win. And now it's that they're in this weird
situation where Ria won by DQ and it's like, technically
she should get another match, she should get it. Like
it's not clean cut at all. So I wonder if
they're gonna run this back on a raw main event
and then do the same thing were Raquel interferes, I
like the idea of Raquel being the heater. She didn't
get a pop, which yeah, that was unfortunate, but yeah,
it's just that they it. I don't know what they
do now because Rio should get a match. So they
made that finish really just amateur type of stuff and
sounds mean to say, but it just felt like no
one would like this is convoluted, just like Bump the
ref and that's it. Like even Dom Hey, like how
do he get out? Why is he hanging? Like all
this stuff was like it felt very rince russo ish
in a way too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there was just there's too many moving pieces
that did not connect, Like all the gears were not
there with Dom hanging out and hanging upside down, and
you could tell Ria was taking her time, and then
when she started swinging away on him, you could tell
like she was looking as she's swinging again. Like I
put in the discord, it gave me very where the
beause Vicky vibes from.
Speaker 1: Seeing that montage of this, So it's true, it's the
custody of the match. Yeah, Vicky's late and just all
of a sudden, Eddie is just what the fuck is Vicky?
Like he's off to the SidD but he's just yeah,
and he's so pissed, and it's so funny because like
I remember as a kid, I was there live in
that Summer Slam, in that arena, and I didn't know
what he was saying, but you could tell Eddie was
like he was yelling and it was weird because Raised
on the other set's like, what's he yelling at? And yeah,
it was a Vicky Moll.
Speaker 3: She she was the key spot to that match, her interference,
but she missed her mark and he just like he's
trying to go on and he's just like, where the
fuck is Vicky. So that's what that reminded me of,
like her looking around.
Speaker 1: And then she went on for the pin too, which
just made her look dumb, Like I get she maybe
she didn't hear the bell because then was like, why
would you still do that? I was like, yeah, my
hope is that you just she didn't hear the bell
and just thought, oh, throw her. But in the moment
it made Raquel look really dumb.
Speaker 3: I'm like, is this kind of a I'm just showing
you then I'm bet. I'm like, but she didn't depend.
Speaker 2: On her own. It's it's like symbolic.
Speaker 1: He tried, Yeah, he tried, he tried, and maybe they
do something where Rio is like, I'm so mad at Raquel,
I'm gonna want to fight her first, and then they
they transition, but it's still just like no, like she
should have a title match right now, Like it sucks
that that happened.
Speaker 3: You know, you putting her on top of her isn't
symbolic of anything. Now, if liv was standing on her
own and went and did the whole step on you flex,
you know, pin count to three things, then Okay, you
can call that symbolic, but having someone drape you over
somebody for a three count, that's not going to happen
because the match is.
Speaker 2: Someone points that out. She pulled up live like before.
It was even.
Speaker 3: It's just like it again there. The initial part of
the match is fine, it was good. They do have chemistry,
but that ending everything about it, from the moment that
dom somehow got the cage open, to the drop down,
the hanging everything else, it was just it was too convoluted.
There was too many moving parts for this to be
what it was, and I could tell something was going
to go on between not only real looking around, but
also the announcers said about three or four times during
the match about how liv said, I'm not bigger than you,
I'm not stronger than you, but I can't outsmart you
that whole thing. So they kept eluding, Okay, something's going
to happen. This isn't going to have a clean finish.
But that was just too much.
Speaker 1: No well us bub said anything else.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, it was like I was enjoying the match
like enough. I knew it wasn't gonna end clean like
in any way, but yeah, it was just like a
disappointing finish in lots of ways, and you guys have
pretty much said any everything else there is to say
about it. So it was like like I ended up
bringing like a two point five. Like it was like,
if it kept going, it probably would have been like
if it ended even I think if it ended without
like the whole botch slash weird ending, it'd probably be
like a three out of five if it had been
just like they continued the match without the inner. I
don't know, dom helps her win or something like it.
It was a good enough match where if it kept going,
I was still enjoying it up to that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And then so we got this, which we'll
talk about a little bit because I don't I think
with raw is any of the matches. I feel like
what Seamus beats, Butch J beats Xavier, and gun Through
beats Samy, Like there's nothing there that you guys have
any hot takes they're gonna have, right, Maybe I would
love or Butch, but.
Speaker 2: I feel like he could beat Seamus.
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, especially since.
Speaker 2: Like all the time he's won. It's like with stuff
from like the Michele Shy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in that sense. So we have goonther Verus
Sammy and the winner of that, you know, whoever wins,
which you think we know, but the winner of that's
gonna go on to verse Cody because the historic announcement
something that's and I fucking hate. I get they're getting
paid so much money. I can't remember that I've not
watched a Saudi show. Maybe I did watch that last
one with Logan and Cody. I think that one that
was a lot of the first one I watched in
a while. But I hate when they just like they
talk about it, and I love when they said he
said something about all this glorious place and then the
crowd starts booming. I'm like, I hate when they get
in the red Rick of Like I get it, you're
in paid the money, but like I don't need to
hear about why. Even though promoments like a place that's
so magical, it's like we know the fucking shit that
goes on over there.
Speaker 2: Like just like those Sadi shows have some like hilarious
matches just looking I'm just like those like, oh yes,
these people on the card, Like the Crown Jewel last
year had a Cody priest pay for rematch. I don't
think anyone remembers. The only thing anyone remembers is because
Priest like goes to oh no, yeah, he had a
match later on in the show, but they had like
Drew Seth earlier on, and he goes to cash in
and and Sammy runs in and steals the briefcase and
runs away. And then the next like the next night
on Raw, like they didn't even do anything of it.
They're like, oh, Adam Pierce made made Sammy give him
his briefcase back. So it was just like a moment
for Sammy like taking the briefcase and like a bunch
of kids like that was a funny moment though, Like
a bunch of kids in like the front row like
blocked Priest from like a from Jason after Sammy they
like made a wall to stop him. But it was
just like a just a random moment. Yeah, that match
that was the definition of Raw made event pay.
Speaker 1: For match, And that's that's the Sawy shows to me.
Sometimes they're just glorified how shows, like they're house shows
with a lot of popping.
Speaker 2: Super So I was looking back at those at like
the results from some of the like the some of
those earlier ones like from like twenty twenty, twenty nineteen. Yea,
never watching some of those match results are like there's
some wild stuff on there, like Roman reigns Barn Corbyn
in the in the steel cage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I is. Shawn Michael's last match is still
the last match he had with Undertaker Restling twenty six
for me because I've never seen I know all the
tag I know, I've seen the clips, but I've never
fucking watched that thing. Goldberg and Taker, that's another one,
but I will say two back to it because we're
talking about it. It was confirmeding PW inside that Drew McIntire
was the gimly busted open. It took sixteen staples to
close the wound. So yeah, and I figured because it
could have been a pack like the first.
Speaker 2: One was like it was such like a glob of blood. Yes,
like I thought it was like like put blowing pack
in his hand, just like slap it on as hard
as you.
Speaker 1: Can, but when it can't coming that's later on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you saw its like all the way down
in his head that I was like, it's definitely a
bleeding somewhere.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they and like I said earlier, I
hate they did the Tony Cohn thing where historic. This
isn't a historic announcement. It's two guys and two gals
are gonna have a match. They're gonna win a trophy
and then you won't talk about till next Crown Jewel
to like soulsais pasts money. I I'm fifty to fifty
on this idea because uh live versus Nia. I really
don't have any interest in because like, I just think
that's a weird dynamic with the both being heels. I
just like they maybe can put on a good enough match,
but it's just it's just odd. But sure Cody and
goother I'm torn on because when they did that rumble
a couple of years ago, when Cody won his first one,
that like they they showed okay, these two got chemistry
and that could like be an old timer type of match.
I feel like, to me, that's the guys that they
could have a trilogy of five cent matches. Were like, Wow,
this is impressive stuff. So the mat announcement, I'm excited
just for that because that I think they're gonna have.
I just feel like they have similar mindsets of like
not their styles, but just how they appreciate wrestling. I
just feel they're gonna feel very classic eighties type of
heel and like baby face stuff. Like. I think it's
gonna be a great match. I just don't know, because
Tribo said there will be a winner. I don't really
want any of them losing right now, to be honest,
because Guther is supposed to be on a tear, so
if he loses, that's kind of odd. And then I
guess the only way I'm kind of fine. I think,
to me, Guther has to.
Speaker 2: Have like a Sami distraction if it's all like there
and like helps his buddy Cody in in some way,
and then maybe you rematch that at like in Canada
at Survivor series with Sam.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no, you're right, you could do the distraction
finish or something. That's why I wish WWE still sometimes
had time limit draws, because I'd love if Guther and
Sam we went to like a time limit draw and
that's how you could do it. But my pitch was
the other way, where I thought, what if Guther wins
and then let's say Gunther loses that title WrestleMania and
then he ends up on the same brand as Cody,
and he could say, hey, you're still a champ, but
I beat you months ago. And that's what I'm kinda
hoping because I feel like Cody, I.
Speaker 2: Was like, wasn't there that one Like I saw like
the NXT versus ROW versus SmackDown Survivor series like NXT
one like all of them or something like that, there
was like one that they didn't win. So they were
just like beating all these these other champions.
Speaker 1: So yeah, run Keith Lee was the next big thing.
Yeah he was gonna be huge and then became the wildcat.
Where the fuck Fince want to call it? But yeah,
So for me, the match I can't wait. I think
they that has possibility to be like a match the
year Cande it legitimately, but at the timing of it,
if there's I just don't know if anyone should be
taking a loss right now. And that's a good weight
I guess to have a match for intrigue right It
reminds me a little bit of Swerve and Austrey a
couple of months ago, where it's like it feels early,
but at the same time it's it's interesting and either way,
I think this is just the first of many they
will use the story in the future. But yeah, yeah,
what did you think of the I suppose the historic announcement?
You like this idea of the crown jewel.
Speaker 2: Definitely overhyped for well, I don't know if it's really
overhyped because they only really announced that there's going to
be an announcement at They used.
Speaker 1: The word historic though that's the problem. If they announced
it's historic, I was like, Okay, what is what's going
on here?
Speaker 2: And it's just like yeah, for announcement, definitely overhyped, but
for what it is? What what what? What it's announcing?
In terms of the match, I'm excited for. Definitely going
to be a great match, Like, yeah, they've been teasing,
like the Goos Cody Gumthro was top three in this
rumble too this year. It was it was guns Cod.
The thing was that gun throw almost eliminated Cody and
then it was gonna be like he was in the
top three this year too, So they've definitely been building
that for a for a long time. So yeah, it's
definitely gonna be a good match live Naya's Yeah, definitely
interesting match up there. Uh, I've seen that they've had
like house show matches before, like I think this year,
I don't know really. I think they had a match
I think before, like Elimination Chamber where they when they
were like building Naya, she was like beating everyone to
build the match.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so I thought.
Speaker 1: For a second of THREEA one, I thought, Oh, they're
gonna do Rha Naya and n I is gonna win
this time. That's what I thought was gonna happen. I
still think I was winning this. I think live like
unless they use Raquel, but I just I don't know
if I want Tiffy to cash and a Crown Jewel,
but I like, I don't think they'll do that then
because it'd be weird to have a cash because then
I feel like we have Morgan winning this Crown Jeal
Championship would me nothing because everyone would just care about
what Tiffany wants. So yeah, I take that back. There's
no cashing happening at all there. Maybe it's ease and
that makes her lose again, but yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd say Naya probably just just wins there. Yeah, but
then goom thir Cody. Yeah, definitely definitely interesting. What could happen?
I think it depends on how they build build up
to it. But yeah, that's one where I think it
could go either way. And that one's that could be
like a thirty minute match. Yeah, but yeah, that's a
and then I wonder, I guess those would be like
the I assume probably the opening and the closing of
that show. So I wonder what's the in between there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe another super tag with all this, you know,
Team Johnny team A long situation. I'm sure it's more open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Roman and Jimmy in a tag match.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm over the fucking tag matches. I'm I'm
over the two versus two, and it's like then versus
Ordon and k Like I I there's only so much
more I can take of.
Speaker 2: I think I think that first one it's probably still
the best in like the street fight at Backlash. I
think that's a great match. I love that match.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get it. You're probably right. They probably
will do Roman and Jimmy, And that's one where Okay, Roman, Hogan,
you gotta sit down. Roman and Jimmy can't be made
of it. In the fucking if they made it, be
over Cody and Gunther, you're gonna hear some issues.
Speaker 2: The hanging of the ring.
Speaker 1: That could do it that if they have a match
for the Ula Falla, that could make them in the
main event. I'm not fall on a pole, yeah, because
if they well, Cody was in Definia's Championship, you know, so,
oh boy, David. Any thoughts on the historic announcement. You
can't remember where you were when Place announced the Crown
Jewel Championship.
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's no groundbreaking first ever, but I mean, but.
Speaker 1: Well, it is a first roun though there's been no
there's been a greatest Rumble champion, but a greatest champ. Also,
as I completely forgot because I've seen spos background photo.
Hate that The Rock brought the fucking fake belt back
with them. I was fine for restimating part.
Speaker 2: It's part of the gimmick, like he made himself a
title just because like and.
Speaker 3: That's what I was about to say. How many fake
titles are we going to have on here? So are
you gonna have someone walking around with this fake title
for a week? Maybe The Rock with his fake title
is braun strum and bringing back the greatest role.
Speaker 1: I would love to come back. I want to defend it.
Fuck do it, do the.
Speaker 3: Greatest have him and whoever wins do the scene of
punk hold up the belts.
Speaker 1: I think this is the Crown Deal Championship. You'll see
for a week and then it's gone. Literally. I think
on the SmackDown Raw, they'll be like, I want it.
That's why I think Guta will win so he can.
Speaker 2: Well you know what they're doing Raw in Saga Arabia
that next week.
Speaker 1: Oh perfect, Yeah, they're they're bringing it out there, so yeah,
they'll win it. They'll show it off and you'll never
you'll see it until twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: So if Raw is also in Saudi, then that just
basically tells you is gonna win because they're going to
have that belt back on Raw. You're going to get
the one more. We got to pray this around that
sweet sweet Saudi money. Blood is bought this. We've got
to show it off.
Speaker 1: Does that mean Live wins though too? Though, because she's Raw.
Speaker 3: I don't think Live one.
Speaker 2: I don't think a little care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 2: One to show off in Saudi Arabia want to put
on the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: What if Nya wins the Crown Jewel one and that's
what Tiffany Cash is in on. You know, she takes
the Crown Shop champ and.
Speaker 3: I'll have to rewatch it. They clarify, dude, are the
women getting a belts as well?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean they said for the men
and the women, but I guess if it's like a trophy.
Speaker 3: They said that the champions would go head to head,
but they only had the one belt, So I'm wondering,
are the women gonna get a belt?
Speaker 1: I no, I think there. I legitimly think they're gonna
use that one belt for both matches. I think that's
what's gonna happen. I do. I think that they'll have
it that to be opening with the women and let's
say night with it. Yeah, they'll go clean off, get
the sweat off, and then they'll roll right back out
for coding gun. They're the same thing. I don't think
there's I think they're both getting a belt, but it's
the same belt. It's it's this that's my theory. If
I'm wrong, because like because Tony did, because this feels
a little like the own hard cut right, Tony had
the women's belt made the men's belt. Bay if we
get a photo of them side by side of two belts,
then I say, okay, I was wrong on that one,
but that's my prediction. Is one belt for both.
Speaker 3: And the front plate of the Saudi belt looks like
an AW belt. The main plate looks like an AW belt.
I saw it and I was like, this, this looks
like the whole shape of it, and then the if
it's like in the corners, I'm like, this looks like
an AW Looking at.
Speaker 2: It, that's like that a little I don't know what
championship has that rivets in it. If someone had told
me that was the continental title and I didn't know
what it looked like, I want to believe though, Oh
I love this.
Speaker 1: This could have been an email. I'm not gonna lie.
Nobody gives a great quote tweet by someone here on Twitter,
but yeah, at least for getting. And like I said,
I think Guther and Cody I'm just waiting for them
to be on the same brand. And that's like a
six to eight month feud. I know that sounds long,
but like, no, to me, that's like, h that's a
money making feud right there. I always thought there's a
chance that gun there was gonna be that guy that
beats Cody, and I don't know if that's a chance
now because he's the world champ, but uh yeah, who knows,
So okay anything.
Speaker 2: Then I was going to add to that. It's like,
I don't think I'll necessarily remember that historic announcement, but
I will remember that that whole segment that happened.
Speaker 1: But afterwards, Yeah, so we had good, we had Goldberg
in the crowd and good through which I'm happy they
went back to because I made the choke. I'm like, oh, look,
it's favorite wrestlers there and good. They go, no, no, no,
you're actually not my favorite rest How could I love
a wrestler when I love wrestling and taking saying I
hope your dad's a better dad that he is a
wrestler half or whatever. Gunther for some reason has turned
it into two thousand and four Randy Orton. He's like
the legend killer. Anytime there's a legend, he's just out
there to like shit on them, which is like, I'm
not saying it's a bad thing, it's just weird that
the pivots happened. But I swear because Goldberg's been talking
about that, he wants one last match.
Speaker 2: In the conference. Yeah, never say never, never.
Speaker 1: Saying, I man, I just I don't need I guess
I don't think they have a date for Saudi. If
you want to do that for a Saudi show, I
guess fine. I will not want I will say this, Lemonare,
I will not be covering that match. I will not
watch it. I will or.
Speaker 2: It's good though there's no way.
Speaker 1: People have themselves. Yeah, yeah, Ocada would be jealous. He's look,
it's like the best match in Ocada and Omega, right,
But no, I I just I just don't want that
at all. Goldberg like even people I know people when
there's rumors the big guy coming back and lawsuits aside,
when people like, yeah, I hope it's fucking Brock, It's like,
I'm done with Brock. I'm done with Goldberg. I'm done
with that whole generation of part timers. We got new
part timers. Now, we got Punk, we got Roman. Like
those are people that are gonna and they're they're much
better like Brock. Don't get wrong, he can be great,
but their sons being also be lazy. Goldberg, we know
what it's gonna be. He's gonna get chopped a few
times spears, spear, spear. I don't want him to try
and jack Copper Guther because I don't want to break
fucking Guther's neck, Like have.
Speaker 2: Don't want Thirmer Goldberg absolutely, and then put him in
the sharp shooter.
Speaker 1: Have them tap out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of good things finishes.
Speaker 1: Have them tapa and that's the end Bill Goldver's fucking career.
Have Brett as the referee, so Brett could get a
fucking Saudi payout. Have him do the screwjaw the Goldberg.
I don't care. Yeah, I don't want Gunther and.
Speaker 2: You'll have a super kicks to uh the Culver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that they I sadly think they're
going to do the match. I do so, I don't
know when, but I think it will happen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if if Gunther wasn't already on the card
for Saudi, I would say it was going to be
the Saudi Show, But unfortunately this is happening in bathroom Break.
Speaker 1: When it does, Yeah, it could also be a rumble defense.
I could see that too. Like the champions always kind
of get like these like nothing. It's either nothing or
something really fun like I remember one Rumble they're like
Undertaker's going to defend his world title against ray Masterio
and end up being a great match. So I feel
like rumble title defenses for the champs going to Mania.
It's two things. It's either a really fun out of
their match or it's something like this where it's like, Okay,
it's a big deal, but it's nothing like you care
about and I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know Punk versus the Rock was at the
Royal Rumble.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, and that's one where it's like that's
a big one and the wrong guy fucking won. The
wrong guy fucking won. Rock should never beat Seeing Funk.
He shouldn't bet fucking Cody Rhodes either. Let's not redo
this but uh alas who knows? So uh yeah, NXC
debut this week's CW Big Numbers? Was that eight fifty
nine or whatnot? I nine five? There you go. I've
flipped it around, but seemed like it was positive. I'm classic.
Travis did not get to watch it. We'll watch it
at some point always because it's tough when I got
the three shows now with aw Raw on SmackDown as
he's always the one, but I've seen enough the highlights.
But me, I'll let you guys talk about But the
only thing I will say is I thought they were
very smart to not have rocks and lose, And I
think that for me, it's like we had heard rumors
before they were going to do a storyline cord Jade
seemingly is healed, and I think you do that storyline
for a while. They got other stuff welighing, like you know,
Stephanie's coming. So I think NXT is cooking a lot
right now, and I think they they got it's gonna
see what they can sustain. I think they'll sty'll gonna
jump around between six hundred and seven hundred. But they
are a lot of good stuff going on right now.
But s Bob's what do you think of the show?
The debut?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was It was an enjoyable show.
It's weird because it was very like hyped up, you know,
It's like it was the premiere, but then the show.
Not that it's not that it was a bad show,
but it's like I don't really know what the word
is for it because it wasn't like it had some
big matches, but then some of it was just like
sort of normal NXT plus some like some stuff with
like the network, Like I think on USA they had
a lot less ad breaks than like being on on
Free TV, so I think they were still kind of
getting used to the structure of it. So while it
was like it was weird, they were trying to do
like a normal episode of end while having like like
pl matches. So it was kind of a weird mix
because NXT a lot of it, Like there's the weekly
shows a lot of the backstage segments and stuff like that,
but they didn't really have any on this show, Like
they had like a few really short ones, so there
was like it was a weekly show without advancing any storylines,
if that makes sense, because it was like they had
the big matches, but it was still like on a
weekly show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like the core j thing at least I
think gives you the okay, yeah, we're going next.
Speaker 2: Which I'm interested on seeing, like how like on this
week's show it works out, like I assume that's like
an opening promo. So then but then they still have
a bunch of big matches, arguably bigger matches than the
first week. On the second week, because you have Randy
Orton Wrestling. You have Bianca and Jade on the show.
You have like the NXT North American title match. Uh
so yeah, and the tag team like championship match too.
So they're definitely stacking up the second show too since
going against Dynamite. Yeah yeah, Dynamite starting starting late. It's
starting at a at nine on Tuesday to take the
second half of next tvwards.
Speaker 1: Anyone, I can't so that that's this week right, because
I'm gonna get screwed up. There is gonna I'll ply
to watch those both phone replay or at least aw because
Tuesdays are always iffy for me. Is there a reason
why it's not on Wednesday?
Speaker 2: I still MLB playoffs?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I was just looking at. Now I
believe that there is. They probably did not want to
go ahead to head. Let's see yep, No, the the
Tigers play on TBS at eight to eight, and then again,
let's see Yankees Royals. Okay, so I can't say too
much because my team is playing Ons on Wednesday, so
I would just shut up and be quiet and say
go Royals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there you go, so you'll be interesting. See,
But I'm sure NXC would I would imagine for sure
beat them there because AW is gonna be not on
its regular timeslot CWS there and it's like Title Tuesday,
and like, I don't fucking think they've announced it, like
they announced.
Speaker 2: It so far, no title match that's a art taking
place on Title Tuesday. They've announced the what's the Danielson
and Judah versus pack and uh Claudio, yeah, Claudio, which
I can't for the not for the dual. In fact,
there's trios champions on both teams in that match Belts.
And then they announced, uh, they announced like the brit
people are mad about Britt getting a title shot, but
but I think it's it's not it's it's a match
for it's Herb versus Willow for number one contendership of
the title.
Speaker 3: They does have a match that's I think that's it's
so fun. Does have a match with Sukazaki is I
believe is the only actual title match that I know of.
I mean, you've got all the Ring of Honor matches,
Dustin Rhodes is two different champions, Like you can do something.
Speaker 2: They're getting, they're getting. They're taking longer and longer to
announce matches to the point where Collision this week had
no matches announced. By the time it started, like people
were going to show there, there was not a single
match announced.
Speaker 1: Even wrestled Dream. It was weird, like the aw usually
has their cards a couple of weeks out, and like
last week is like, okay, we know.
Speaker 2: By Dynamite, it was only Brian and yeah more.
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I don't know what's
going on. Just Tony's all conservatives, TV deal and everything.
Speaker 2: So and supposedly the thing going around is that I
forget at which point, but that sources say that Tony
like doesn't care about long term and he only books
week to week. Now. He said he moved away from
long term booking and now he's only booking week to week.
Speaker 1: I saw that, and like, I have to believe either
that's wrong or misquoted or he's had a weird change
heart just because we just got.
Speaker 2: The There's another thing that said, like the the only
thing planned out ahead was this Brian mox story. They
said that's all Mocks's idea and that he's been he's
pretty much booking this this storyline.
Speaker 1: For me, it's just weird because like they just did
Tony and Mariah, and I think, like whatever you feel
about like that was a long term story. They paid
it off, and I think there's still more. So that's
why I would find it all that in August, like
what changed from August to like what happened to him
in September? They go, you know what, no more of
this long term book and it didn't gowhere And that's case,
Like if that is true, that's something that will hurt
the company even more in my opinion, that stuff that
will because I'm not saying every single feud has to
be long term, but you should think I think.
Speaker 2: What changed, like what made them if you're wondering, at
what point is they had four like event shows or
will not let me see? Because they had pretty much
weeks what was it like they'd all in and all
out like uh, Grand Slam and Grand Slam for Dynamite
and Collision five year anniversary, Like they had pretty much
like like what they're advertising as these big shows for
like four weeks straight or whatever. So how are you
gonna like build these long term stories if you're if
you have to build for these big matches for one
like every.
Speaker 1: Single week because you do like this is one thing
that I do, Like, whatever people feel about the H
five match thing. As somebody that you know loves GM mode,
you gotta save some big matches for your shows, and
like I agree with that method where I still think
your body could spread to a six. I think six
would be something that's been better. But it doesn't matter.
You look at Raw. Raw already feels stacked with like,
even though we know the results, fucking gun there and
I know tons will believe that. Right Sam san is saying, well,
it's on Bad Blood because I've been told, like I'm paraphrasing,
but it's not needed for that show. And people say
the world tiles not needed for the show, but guess what,
Like as insulting as it sounds, it's not. And one
thing I will say, at least about Wrestle Dream is
with Brian main event that is sold, you don't got
to worry about the rest of matches because that's what
people are there for. But the same time, what you
do is you just have long stories going up, but
don't pay them all off at the same time. So okay,
we're not gonna pay this off at all in but
we'll pay it off a grand slam, like keep concurrent
stories and then pay them off at different times, not
the kay pay them all off at all out then
like fuck, we got nothing else, let's just do this
this this, like keep some stories going or you just
got to hot shot something really good, which I think
the mocks and thing is for the most part good.
But that's where it's just like if that is a
true statement, that's something that they got to sit him down,
like you can't like some of the best angles in
that company Hangman and Kenny Omega, which I would consider
maybe Okay, it's either that or it's MGF and Punk,
and MGF and Punk was another long term story that
lasted like four months. Like by time h MJF and
Punk had their first promo in their match, it was
weeks and weeks. So it's just like the best stories
have been those ones that span a long time. It's
not gonna work for everything. But if that is the case,
it's like, man, I lose more faith than him for
certain things, And it shouldn't be up to talent to
be like, oh I got a long term story. They
can pitch it, but shouldn't just always be tony because
that's Vince did the same thing near the end of
people all people forget you know, they't they won't care.
It's like I'm not saying he's doing that, but I
don't know. You get less investment from people, I think
if it's too many short stories. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also saw like in terms of like ticket sales
and stuff, people are saying, like if you're buying a
ticket to a show, like ahead of time, you're like,
I'm definitely going to this show. Like if you're buying
it like two months out or three months out, like
you're changing your plans for cause you're going to that show.
But if you know that stuff isn't getting announced until
the week of, and if you know the prices are
dropping too until the week of, like you can just wait.
And if there's matches, like they announced it the week before,
like Okay, now I'm gonna go. But then maybe it's
like maybe those people who now it's sold out or
whatever not it costs too much they would have bought earlier,
and it's like now it's like, well, I guess they
didn't announce the matches or I'm not interested in these
matches or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: And that's the stupid problem with the whole collision dynamite thing,
with the not split rosters, like it's just so you
don't know, you never know who you're gonna see. I
remember when we did Wrestle Dream last year, we saw
Collision cause Collision tickets for good seats were super cheap,
and we got there and we I'm sorry, but we
left when roh started. We didn't mean They're like, oh
I don't need this, but like same thing. Luckily I
found out it was like two days before. It's like,
oh yeah, Kenny Megan was gonna be on, but I'm like,
I bought my tickets and I'm in town. I love wrestling.
It's like, oh, I'm down to see some wrestling. But
it's like I don't even know who I'm gonna be seeing,
you know, And it was like a nothing like it's
the show. It's Wrestle Dream was on a Sunday. This
is on a Saturday. There's not much too, but that's
the thing. At least you have some idea of who
you're seeing, but with these rosters and just two shows,
you have no idea who's gonna be where. And at
least if you announce ahead of time, then great, but
if you don't, I don't know that. That's where things
like I'm glad they got like maybe maybe we'll talk
about the free agency in vinced dook because we're abably
tell about aw now, So like the I'm glad they
you know, secured the bag, got the money. And my
hope is that like after they got that, they can
focus on some of these things. But they need to
worry about now. Okay, in three years from now, you're
gonna get your product. I'm not saying I don't think
you can get back to a million. I think they've
lost that hype. They'd need a nWo storyline type of thing.
And Shane McMahon is not that, you know, luckily I
hear that's the case that I suppose says there's some theories,
but like they they tried with the Bucks thing that
and that's another thing too with the people hyperbolic in
film communities and wrestling communities. They showed the fucking punk
footage years ago or like months ago, and oh, that's
gonna kill him. They got a new TV deal there
around for three to four years, like everyone blew it
up way too much. But at the same time, it
also didn't work as long term. It's like I've said
this before, it's like they lost interest in like the
Bucks controlling AW. It's like, yeah, we're in control. Like nah,
and now you're just a tag team again. They should
have paid that off and just had them lose and
do whatever. But that's the thing where it's like, sure,
you got the bag now, but now you got to
focus on the next three years because there's a good
chance Warner Brothers might be owned by someone else again
in three years, and you gotta be a property that
they look and they want. That was the issue. Eric
Bischoff is half right when he says, no matter what,
WCW was gonna die. I don't believe that people bought
it and they didn't want wrestling. But if WCW was
a huge show, they would have won it. So that's
the thing with the storytelling, and you've got to get
people invested still and the long term stuff that's that
is a scary thought. But yeah, they got the TV deal.
I think the streaming thing is really great for them
as far as Collision and AW because there is tons
of people that might just click on it or it's
it's just getting the exposure, So I think streaming does help,
and maybe that thing pops off in there, the pay
per views. I get why we talk about that, why
it's not there, but I'm just happy they do have
a spot for three years and then we can stop
talking about it. And now I just hope that's some
good content coming up, because I think they've had some
good stuff, a good run as a recently. Even then, like,
what do you define as a long term story, because
I would say soon for me, Hangman and Swerve might
end up being my favorite long term story. And that's like,
that's like a I don't know, that's a whole that's
literally a year few that started a year ago, like
next week or whatever, because that's when the first Wrestle
Dream happened. So I don't know. Yeah, yeah, uh, let's see,
so wrestle dream we got that, next week, we got
the they got the six matches, we have marks and Brian.
No one thinks Brian's winning here, right, anyone?
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: So you know it's over, David, I pitched this last
month and you're like, I don't know if Max is
a guy, But I said, like I had a sneaking
suspicion like Brian's gonna want to go with Mos like
I just felt that. Now now they're doing it, and
then I do have a fall up question for us.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if it's going to be a
clean win. I'm still wondering, like how I think Max
is gonna win, But I don't know if the title's
gonna change hands, and I don't know how clean the
win's gonna be. That that is my thing. I do
think that Max is gonna win. I just I don't
know if this is the end of the Brian run yet,
and I don't think that the title is gonna change hands,
so really get there that I'm not sure. Yeah, no,
I think there's gonna be there's gonna be a rally
cry against the BC, even if it is Willer Youda
coming in and doing something. I'm not sure. Something's going
to keep this match from having a clean cut finish.
Speaker 1: Really, I think I think Max hitting with a bunch
of deaf rioters after some interference and she's done. Maybe
maybe you got Christian in there to save you. But
I think I think Max is going to need this
title for whatever they're doing. And yeah, I'll throw because
you said the discord. There's like a couple of theories because.
Speaker 2: So these are not these are not good theories. Theories
I found on one of my favorite places to visit,
which is our slash AW Official. So I just like
these are the most die heard of, diehard AW fans,
Like if you say anything negative on this, they'll ban you.
But I love looking at this stage just lurking like
I don't, I don't comment on anything, but I love
reading what these people say well to.
Speaker 1: To uh specify the reason we're talking about this, because
I think it was pw Inside that said it's or
was it Day that said it's not Shane like I
can it's an AW scoop though, and I do believe
he has a better sourcing there and I do believe that.
And I've said this before. For me, the way people
reacted to the CM punk footage when I said, like,
we've kind of felt the same way, like everyone's gonna
feel they do, they're gonna operating, and I did not
feels like the death like everyone's like, oh, this is it,
this is gonna kill the companies, Like I never felt that.
Speaker 2: I think the difference here is like for the CM
punk footage, like AW fans were like, this will expose
CM punk, and then people outside were saying like this
is the death way Company. Where for Shane, if you
look at like the AW like like these people, I'm
punking up for them, like Shane joining is like for them,
this is like even for the diehards, they're like death
of the company.
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm not gonna say deathly company,
but for me, there if Shane comes in, there is
a that is a turning point for me. There is
a time in my mind when I go, oh, that's
when AW became the That's when they became TEENA Light.
It's very similar to a lot of things TEENA would do.
And for me, I get it. You can get the
big pop, they'll spark a rating or two. But I
just especially right now when we're gonna end this episode
and just do quick reviews of like the Vince talk,
especially right now, it is not the time to have
any tie and especially because Tony is done as stupid
and whatever. That's fine, but the Harvey Weinstein stuff, and
I've said before like I don't do that because you're
the same guy that says maybe one day we'll work together.
It's like, well, if you want to fucking work together,
stop saying that shit, you know, like, just just ignore them.
If and this is the only thing too, I'll accept
The only reason I would accept this if if somehow
Shane could bring the two companies together and when get
that fucking mega show, then I'll accept it. But that's
not gonna happen. So to me, this is the worst
time to have him there, and I don't think he
brings much other than like a pop I guess I'd
only be fine that if like he was like Darby's
Open Challenge, he wrestled and then we never saw again,
Like it would have to be like that for me.
For me, it's like a hey, one special time we
got Shane in had some fun. That's that if he's
like a storyline guy. So I'm not saying I'm gonna
turn off AW, but that will be a distinct like
chapter to me of Oh, that's like almost like a
for me, a jumping shark mom. So I get those
AW hardcore fans because that's just like that feels too much,
just kind of desperation of my mind. David, how you
feel you're some like me and we've been with aw
for the beginning. If Shane is says not as right now,
but we keep getting pictures him with Tony, him with
the bucks, like they keep fucking throwing Ghasoly on this fire.
Maybe they're lying to Dave to get that pop. You know,
what would you feel if he is one of these
big reveals?
Speaker 3: If he is one of the big reveals. The only
avenue that I see this going is the sting at
WrestleMania thirty one situation where they just bring him in
to get give the old what for where the best
beat you up style thing. That's the only reason. But
I do not think that they should do it right now.
You cannot bring him in without the bag is associated
with his last name, with his family. This is definitely
not the right time to do it. What are you
want to say, ooh, we got the good McMahon. No,
you still have Shane on a documentary saying all he
wanted was a hug, Like that's that's still gonna live there.
And if I didn't know about some of the stuff,
like any a w wrestler, I'm cutting a promo and
I'm referencing that stuff like there's no way around.
Speaker 2: It, you know, Mercedes said, you know, she thought, in
her opinion, the whole roster would be excited for Shane.
Speaker 1: Kind of stall. And I don't mean that a massager say,
I mean just the thing she's saying, and it doesn't
make sense. One week she saw her interview.
Speaker 3: Skills are as good as her mic skills.
Speaker 2: But it's weird because she's it's like her own her
own blog, like these are these her own thoughts directly,
no editor, just.
Speaker 1: It's weird. Like a week ago or two weeks ago,
she said, like, yeah, I left because I was been
talked down by the cheerman, and now it's like, yeah,
he's a genius, and like it's just.
Speaker 2: Even then that the thing I read, which is like
the craziest one, which is I'm paraphrasing, but it's like
he said so many like mean things or ideas that
I didn't like, and that was the wrestler then, but
now looking back as the CEO, I think he was
right in some of those things he told me. It's
like one of the things he said.
Speaker 1: He only hope is it's in character, but fuck, I
don't know, so no, that's that's not character, and no character,
you stay away from defending that man.
Speaker 3: Right now, there is there is no situation where you
defend that man like it just it does not need
to happen.
Speaker 1: So give us some of these names I spokes, what
are the diehard.
Speaker 2: Well, the most realistic one, which like I've seen people
throw it around even before the Shane stuff, is that
it's like Josh Barnett and this is the m m
a mocks verse.
Speaker 1: It's such like a one that that for me is
like the that was the.
Speaker 2: One even before Shane was like a thought. It's because
they're all the shoot style.
Speaker 1: I remember that was the initial one. Yet for me,
that's just like it. That's some of those fans that
like they love mm A and wrestling and they just
like love the connections like I watched for wrestling, man,
like I don't watch UFC, Like I don't I get
it that Marks wants to be a bad ass all stuff,
and he is. I'm saying that, but just like if that,
if the real is Josh Barnett, that is like a
like at least it's gonna be like the Devil storyline
where I think you would just be there and they
would like die very quickly and then we'd move on,
you know, isn't w W.
Speaker 3: Well, they were up until I think the tk O deal,
but they may still weren't they working.
Speaker 2: With the Like they've sent a bunch of people in
the Blood they.
Speaker 3: Said, Shana there, they Dimpsey went there, and someone else thirteen.
Speaker 1: Barnett's gonna not shuoming man. Barnett's could be the one
that gets them together. Ww and aw, He's gonna sit
Tony and TK down and they're gonna talk and like, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Mean at one of the Blood Sports shows, MVP had
like his first outside WWE appearance. I don't know if
they actually ever had that match. I don't think they
ever did, but he like challenged Barnett to a Blood
Sport match, like he showed up at the end of
one of the shows, but I don't think it happened yet.
But yeah, yeah, that's one of That's like the most
they'll say, like plause of Ole theory, some other crazy ones.
I was trying to look towards to these posts to
see if I could find more details because I remember
the names just because of like how wild they were,
but I don't remember like what these people's theories were specifically,
I think the other one that people think is that
there's no higher power. It's just like Mox being like
poetic about like bigger than himself.
Speaker 1: I honestly, for me, that's the best option out of all.
I already said in the discord, that's the best option.
Max is a great talker. He is like you could
argue the ace of a w what better guy to
be like he's gone mad, decides like he it's the
doctor Doom thing of I've seen the future and the
only way the world survives if I run it. So
it's like, I'm I hope it is just like Max
being like in a religious zealot sort of way of
I gotta get this company back on track. I'm I'm
for me. That's that that is the route you go.
And then it means more because I think that I
didn't say this to my prediction, but I think Max
is gonna be Brian, and I do think Darby's gonna
beat him for that title. I don't know when, but
I think they're gonna have Darby be the one that
beat beats Max. He's Mox even said like you'll never
be aw champion right there, that's over that that's that's
the cinema incoming store, long term booking that for some reason,
you know, should work, but I hope it's mox.
Speaker 2: Uh. Here, I'm trying to find some uh some o
the crazy theories here. Uh there's Eddie. Eddie Kingson's secretly
in control of this and he wants to make the
company better or something.
Speaker 1: I'd have to Eddie's good talker, so like, I'm not
I'm somehow not opposed to it, but the whole.
Speaker 3: In control thing doesn't match Eddie's m O.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The rest of these are like, I don't know
where people got these these theories from and like don't
really make sense.
Speaker 1: What are some of the ones that don't make sense?
Give me three months? They're just like random people.
Speaker 2: Here, Tony, he's turned heel.
Speaker 1: I gonna inject a lethal dose of poison. Well you
know what that could have worked if, like, you know
how this could have worked is if the Box had
completely taken over a W and it was their show,
like an nWo thing, And it's like, Okay, I'm getting
the BCC. You guys can do whatever, fuck people up,
injure them, threaten their life. I don't care do your thing.
But it's not because the Bucks aren't a problem anymore.
They're just like Adam Matches a private party, like cool.
Speaker 2: I would love it, Yeah, I would absolutely love what
you just proposed.
Speaker 3: Like the Bucks went power met and then Tony went
to the BCC and was like, I need my company back.
I don't care how you do it, yeah, just get
my company back. Like, and then the BCC does all
the stuff that they're doing.
Speaker 1: Now, and then they go off the rest and you
have this whole story about Tony Khan and I don't
know that far versus Shane No, but like, and then
you get the whole thing of like and that's how
guess what, that's how you could return the Bucks babyface
and get the elite. And they go, you know what,
we really screwed up. We gotta get this company back
to the way it used to be. Like the stories there,
it's such like not an easy but it's like it
is there. But again, like I said, they just lost
interest in the whole new elite thing. They're like, oh well,
oh catd it was just gonna wrestle here and wrestle there.
And you know, the Bucks, they they're defending their tag
belts again because everyone complains so great they're doing that,
but it's just yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me see, I'm looking tourists. I think I found
the thread. One I saw was a Nigel McGuinness because
of Brian and like he's in control this. This is
multiple people said that one. I think maybe as a joke.
I'm trying to talk. I'm trying to find more. Like
it's like I've seen that Josh Barnett. Obviously people keep
mentioning it. I'm trying to find one more. Like I'm
going through this thread. I see Eddie, Tony Shane, Josh Barnett.
I'm just looking for one more.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then.
Speaker 2: I guess I guess that's it. But yeah, those are
those are crazy, crazy theories. I found Eddie was the
one like it kind of it kind of makes a
little bit of sense, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But okay, So yeah, you got Mariah May versus Title Tuesday.
And I'm gonna say, as a aw fan, this card
for me is like it's not weak. There's a couple
of surprise matches on here, but it is one of
their weaker cards I think this year because I think
for just both matches, I don't care will O versus
Britt Baker, NEI of them. She gonna tell match will
have just lost to Chris Statlander and the.
Speaker 2: Whole Chris Statlander debacle going on.
Speaker 1: Don't get me fucking started, because that's something I am
mad at too. They had her beat Willow and looked
like a fucking heel badass, and now she's her and
Stokely are done and now she's a babyface again? What
And that is shit when you're talking about long term booking,
just stuff like that, like, oh, okay, she's baby faced
now because we need her first monet. Don't get me wrong,
that could be good, especially with Chrispy and bigger could
toss around. But I actually thought they had something really
going with Chris Statlander finally, and they just know we're
not done. We're doing that.
Speaker 2: That's my favorite match on All Out. And then neither
Chris or Willow showed up on any shows for like
two weeks and then they only showed up in backstage seconds.
Speaker 1: Oh and that's been happening before, Like he got a
bigger push, but that happened with Orange Cassie for a
while where he's super popular. He went away that happened
with Hook many times where he's over and then where's
he been for three months? Oh or three weeks, Like, oh,
he's just on dark It's like, why what's he doing
over there? Like it's just it's just frustrating. But yeah,
so Willow should not get a shot and Biker shouldn't
get shot either, Like it doesn't matter that she's like
you know when the OG's in a big star that
from the past and you know memes aside from the
moment anything. It's just like that doesn't make sense. She
just lost a title match and then oh, well, I'm
gonna go fight for this title now. It just so
I imagine May will win. I don't think anyone has
anything different. Anyone else think Willow or Brick could beat May.
I guess my hope is May wins it.
Speaker 2: Like a longer built feud. I think she could have
been she could have won just doing it off like
a number one contender shit match. And I assume that match.
I guess it's for wrestle dream. I assume, yes it is.
But yeah, I don't think I assume Mariah retains and
Tony comes back at some point like she's been in
Japan doing stuff, yes, and like in the in segments
that she's had, she's like in character like like has
like mentally blocked Mariah May like if anyone talks about her,
she like like she's like, oh, I don't know who
that is.
Speaker 1: Well, and to me, the other before Tony comes back,
the other match they have to do to me is
Mariah ma versus Shakir there you know, live show charisma
like that, because she's already shown that she was like
if you'll want, she did to Tony. So there's still
more story to be told with all three of those women.
But then you got Young Bucks versus Private Party. I
think this is just to have because people complain about
Young Bucks not defending, so like, okay, we're gonna have
them defend, and it's just another kid they want to
match on Collision tonight well while summer or not, some raw,
fucking h bad blood was happening, and so I think
Bucks just beat them in like a entertaining match, like
a back and forth, good match. But I think Bucks
will beat him, yeah yeah. And then this match, which
people need to calm down because they're like, oh, here
comes the unstoppable triple Threat. Reborn with Joe Daniels and styles.
It's Osprey vers Ricerschever's Takesha. Don't get me wrong, this
could be the best wrestling match tonight. I sell my
money on Moxa and Brian. I think they're going to
do some really good emotional storytelling. But people should calm down.
But I do think this is going to be a banger,
and I can't wait just to let let Takesha off
the leash and just let him go man, like that
match a couple months ago that he had with Darby,
like especial, because that's.
Speaker 2: Another thing with like the weird not long term like
they were. They were clearly building Takeshta versus Okada and
him like turning face against like the don Klis family,
and then no, he just turned heel.
Speaker 1: And now I want, Yeah, my hope is that was
just a ts for like long term. But again, if
they're not going to do that, who knows. But no,
I think Will I think Will win this. I'm kind
I don't know. I because I even thought Ricochet maybe
was gonna beat him on Dynamite didn't happen. But I
wouldn't mind if Will lost this because he can win
it back or I guess he did just win it back.
I don't know. I guess he'll win it. But I'm
excited to see Takeshta with these So I actually think
these three are going to put on a I think
it's gonna be worth it. This makes it worth the
price of mission. I do have high hopes, but again,
I don't think it's gonna be the X Division through
Waight like it could be. But don't don't go in
thinking that, you know.
Speaker 3: So, Yeah, No, I think they're gonna put on a
great match to Kessa. While he can do a lot
of the high risk moves and acrobatics, he has been
wrestling more of a heavyweight style with just the fluidity
of it. So I think that would be good to
bridge the gap him Ospray and Ricochet, because Rickshet does
not wrestle a heavyweight style at all, like he's good
going against the heavyweights, but he does, he just doesn't
Osprey can do both. He should when he bulked up
and came out of the junior division over in Japan
that he can do both styles. When he stopped doing
less flips and that's when he brought out the Hidden
Blade and brought up other aspects of his game so
that he had a more heavyweight style. He can definitely
do it. So I think that they're going to put
on a stella match. I don't know if I see
Osprey losing the belt gest.
Speaker 1: Yet because get back in August, right, so yeah, And
I also.
Speaker 3: Don't see Ricochet losing just yet. So I'm wondering if
it's if it's a triple threat to have to either
that or to catch it takes the pin after him
and don kallis trying to do something to sway the
match in their favor and it backfires.
Speaker 1: God damn it. Fukay I love I'm pushing to Ketch
right now in GMO, him and Finbauer ha some bangers.
For me, it's it's like and I was just like, man,
I want to see that, like he Takesha and now
I haven't planned to go with Gunthernex and GM mode.
I'm like, I love Takesha. Man, He's just that in
ring stuff. But yeah, I suppose you think Will's losing
this or no, he's he's keeping it.
Speaker 2: I think he's keeping it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah,
I think yeah, if he if he takes the pin,
I think this could build, you know, distrust with the
don Kellis family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, for some reason, I guess on a Collision,
Brody King accepted Darby Allen's challenge. Here's my thing. They'll
have a good match. They've had good matches before because
Brody King's a fucking beast and Darby can get ragged
all the round. I don't know why they build this
as an open challenge because then you get two weeks
who is it? Who could it be?
Speaker 2: And then you know, I don't know if they did
they actually announce it because okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's why I saw it in Wikipedia and I was like, okay,
that's weird. And then forty one minutes ago, Deck Saturday
to come Washington. Yeah, he answered, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, because I'd seen like when they're taping Collision. It
was just like I think, like Brody showed up when
like after Darby had a match. So I guess on
the actual show, I assume as that, and then they
put the graphic up that he's answering the challenge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now they put out the actual tweet.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I was gonna that was gonna that was
gonna theorize who could be, but okay, I guess it's
just Brodie.
Speaker 1: It's Brody. It's just to give Darby a win and
he'll be back on track. But again, they'll thought of
a good salt match. But Brody's really good, Darby's good,
so that'll be good.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I imagine that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's wrestling, but I guess fightful. We
can transition to about free agency stuff quickly. That Fightful
did announce that Bobby Lashley signed. Sellan Benjamin signed. Obviously,
since we've done this podcast, MVP signed there, so they're
definitely doing the her business or sending it business. I
don't know what it's gonna be called, but it's, you know,
some sort of thing on that play on that. I
was not watching WW full time when they did that.
I know people really like them. I'm somebody that I
sounds mean. I'd have to see what TK is paying
Bobby Lashly because I just don't know if he's worth
the money. I think Bobby's really good in the ring
and he can have some fun matches, but if he's
getting a big amount, I just don't think he Going
back to the Roman Punk conversation, I don't think he
moves the needle at all. For like AW, I don't
think he does anything. And again, my worry is it
feels very much like TEENA. And there's that chart that
came out last week where you saw in the last
two years w twents ages are down and Aw's talents
ages are going up. Now not trying to do agism
because there's tons of people out there that can add
to the company. Right, I would not say, oh yeah,
I get rid of out of a cople No, absolutely
keep them ating Bobby lash Ye. But for me it's
like I just wonder what he's getting paid because TK
throws up big money and I just I for me,
I think Bobby's like best days are behind him. Like
I'm not intrigued. I guess it's a hurt business or syndicate. Sure,
I like MVP and swerving Bobby could be some stuff.
But I saw a lot of people being, oh my god,
they got Bobby. For me, that's not like oh my god,
Like if they get Kevin Owens, that's like a oh
my god, fuck, that's good. If they get a J,
which I don't know why people think they're getting a
J people gonna stop tweeting that, like, I don't think
that age is gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Different it's something something funny was like I forget it
was with Sholton Benjamin. I think it was a tweet
like age of you just signed a beast and I
was like this highlight package in like two thousand and
three comments with like Javon Evans and Rock Sampres. We're
zero years old.
Speaker 1: I saw this. Yeah, no, I saw that so again,
like even Shelter, who I love, But it's just like
it's tough because that roster's already bloated and I always
feel there's enough people in that roster that are really
good that don't get enough time. So for me, I
I don't know. It's Tk's money and everything like that.
He can do what he does, and maybe there's stuff,
even if it's like short term stuff. If I didby
down for that they did, Hey we've signed this guy
like a six month deal and they come in then
maybe we'll do more. But so I don't know. I
guess it's a good pewed first swerve for a little
bit until they do him and Hangman, which I know
we didn't talk about all out. I love that match
Hangman is my favorite that character in wrestling right now
because he's just a fucking mad man. Like he's just
say his facials like I saw someone saying, I'm mad
at what can ever happen? Like could you imagine Cody
Rhodes right now where he is and then a few
with Hangman where he's right now? I'm like, holy fuck,
Like the cinema these two could create. Like hang Man,
he's just he's like leveled up, and anytime he's on
my screen, I am engaged. I love that character. So
but until they get back to him and Swerve, sure
have Swerve and Bobby, But yeah, what do you guys
feel about her business syndicate whatever?
Speaker 2: A little little side there. Did you see the Lumberjacks
trat match?
Speaker 1: No, I haven't yet. It is on my DVR or
what you know?
Speaker 2: You know what it actually was, right? It wasn't like
it was called the lumberjackstrat match, but it's a very
very specific play on the words there. It was they
were not tied together in this match.
Speaker 1: No, they're not tied together lumberjack right?
Speaker 2: No? No, in a strap match?
Speaker 1: Did they have a strap match?
Speaker 2: It was a Lumberjacks strap match, this match, but they
were not tied together. In fact, it was a lot
of lumberjacks around the outside dressed as lumberjacks with with
straps if they pushed the outside the raft right.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the match, but I because I did,
You watch the match. You've been waiting for a hangman
and Jeff Jarrett it.
Speaker 2: But people people hated this match. Apparently they were like
Jeff ruining Page's credibility. He just had this this hate
feud and now he's having this this dumb match with
with Jeff Jarrett.
Speaker 1: And it's weird because they were kind of billing Jeff
to be like a badass again. So I thought they'd
just have like another like another street fight like him
and Swerve and like, oh, like a last hurrah for
Jeff Jarrett to go to toe with me some bleeding.
But no, and then now they're leading into him and Jay,
which I'll say this because we're moving away, but TK,
this is chance number two. J came out. He got
a fucking still megapop. People love this guy. They want
to see j White be a star. Don't fuck it
up again. No more billy gun matches, no more losing
to one leg MGF.
Speaker 2: Like getting the low blow, and then.
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet. I don't want to see him
get no and that's where the same thing that's tough
putting these two together right now. I don't think I
agree with they They both kind of need to win.
But there's a good chance that Jay could have came
out Jay White and got no pop because of how
I had been booked. This is this is your time, TK.
He needs to be a top guy, Like he can't
even be a top guy. I don't know if I
like him as a babyface either as a top guy role,
but I know.
Speaker 3: He's a good hell circle him. Back to your Bobby
Lashley thing. I was a fan of The Hurt Business.
I watched it consistently during that I have a group
chat with a couple of my buddies who I watch
wrestling with like in person, and it's called The Hurt
Business still to this day is the name of group JET,
so I was in on it. I do not feel
like Bobby Lashley fits aw No. I don't feel he
is a slow, powerhouse of a wrestler, and I don't
think he really fits AW. I don't know where they're
going with the Hurt Syndicate or whatever they're going to
be called, and how they play in with Swerve. If
you are going to bring Bobby Lashley in again, he's slower,
he doesn't fit the style. I don't think he should
be the leader. If you want to bring them in
and put them with Swerve, then okay. But I don't
see again Bobby Lashley just playing the heater of the group,
just the big tough guy. So I'm not quite sure
where you go with this. And I'm hoping that they
did not pay this man main event money just to
lumber around for a couple of weeks. And then we
have another person, another person who comes out and says,
aw's not what I thought it was going to be,
blah blah blah, because you got this fat contract thinking
you were going to be a superstar when not everyone
can be a superstar.
Speaker 1: He's got I think Bobby won't. I think he'll just
be happy with that money. Like I think Bobby will
be like a semi part time guy and he'll just
be like yeah, just because even with when he left resently,
like everyone was like trip, like fucking hates Bobby Lashley
and Bobby oh No, like I enjoyed my time there,
like the people like he's very I think he's one
that's just like he'll be happy to get that check
and do do do whatever. T K says. I'm with
spells where I think he got that money and hey,
good for him, good for anybody.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think TK signs people the
short term deal.
Speaker 1: It's usually like three minutes with that.
Speaker 2: Mirrored news that he apparently signed like a like an
eight year dealer twenty six.
Speaker 1: It is like it's like, like what do you do?
That's a as we're talking about free agency, it's like
the Ricky Star scene. It's like I don't I really
don't understand how some of them. And this is literally
me saying not making fun TK because I don't have
independent contractors. It's like you have some guys signed and
like you can't get him to come to work and
if he says no, and I guess the worry is
you release him and he goes back to WE. But like,
is it worth spending your own money just have him
sit around? And like, I don't know, man, Like I said,
there must be some different stuff there because it happens
with AW there's times where listen to Monxley talk. He
was contract with we he hated his last six months,
but he had to do it, so he's like, I'm
gonna do it. When they did the last shield match,
they paid him like a house show, Like his last
ray was five hundred dollars. They did that just like
as an FU two. I'm like, here's your worker's rate,
five hundred bucks. He's like, all right, screw you guys.
But it's like he still is like, okay, they want
me to do it, and I'm there. I'm a contract
employ I don't get how Ricky's not there. I don't
get how some of these people. And if it's just hey,
we don't want you there because we don't know if
you're resigning, then just fucking let him go. Let him,
let him go. It's like rick I'm sorry, Ricky starts
or especially Zo now, they're not gonna move the needle.
And you know, it's so funny. The guy you should
have had sitting at home paying him was probably fucking
see him punk and you didn't. You released him, and
he had this big moment and I'm fine because let
him go. Then be happy, let him be on our screens,
but like, that's the guy who can fucking move the
needle and take money away from you and hurt your
Chicago market, not Miro or Daniel Garcia. Like like, I'm
not saying they can't do good, big things, but on
that initial okay, you get a pop, some good Twitter views,
but it's not like, what's Miro gonna do if you
let him go, You're just wasting your money right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Mirro's not that guy. Some of these
other people that they talk about leaving are only gonna
wind up on NXT. Again, nothing against NXC, but that's
where they're headed. So you're spending money the competition there. Yeah,
and you're spending a whole lot of money to keep
these people on and not use them when you might
as well just stop paying them, let him go, ride
out that ninety day non compete, and then let them
go wherever they're gonna.
Speaker 1: And it sucks because Miro that first year is with
AW was that I think some of the best work
of his career. Speaking of Darby, when him and Darby
had that tent title match, one of my favorite AW matches,
it was so redeemer. It was Redeemer. He was so good.
He's doing like these religious ranting, He's talking.
Speaker 3: About God's favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he would just come in there and
he was like a mini Lesnar and like they had
something cooking with him, and I was like, Oh, he's
gonna be an AW champ in the next couple of years.
And then I don't know whatever happened there and then
just went away. I know there's the rumors he doesn't
want to lose the Peal, which I always think is
like the dumbest thing in pro wrestling. Like I I
get it. If Tony's like, hey, my storyline for you
is like you're gonna like lose for a year sauld,
then I'd say, hey, Tony, like this doesn't make sense.
But it's like, like, look at fucking Brian. This man's
loss like majority of his matches this year doesn't matter.
Obviously an established fan base, but still it's like, he
lose the right way, You're fine. So yeah, the Redeemer.
It sucks because I thought that was gonna be an
AW top act for many years and we only got
that one year of it and it was great, but
uh yeah, and then we got Ko whose contract's not
signed obviously tack Cody. But I've said before it I
don't think he's going anywhere, even though even if ad
was gonna throw him this big money, I think that
he's a lot.
Speaker 2: I saw an aw conspiracy theory, you know, I about
Ko about aj Styles, that was they're purposely doing this
washed gimmick to lower his sock when he leaves for
ADW so people think he's bad.
Speaker 1: I saw. I saw that too, and it's like, I
think that's just the story. People want him back on TV.
It's it's interesting because it was that thing when he
came a SmackDown. Even my kids were like, oh, like
he's like he seems happy. Like they're like they weren't
saying he's babyface, but in their child's mind, naked process,
like he was clearly acting like a baby face. And
I was like, oh, yeah, I guess he's apologizing and
he wants something man like I'm trying to explain to
five and seven year old's like yeah, he's you know,
this is his way of turned baby. I never used
the terms in front of them, but like, yeah, I'm fine.
It's like it fits already because they were kind of
already doing a washed storyline, right of like I need
to win the world, like this fits what they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that was the story. I forget he
mentioned it. I'm trying to find forget. They're trying to
remember exactly what he said. But it was like repeating
like something that people were saying.
Speaker 1: Around that time about it, right, yeah, because there were
that he was watching. They have the match with Cody
and everyone's like, I, I, you know, I apologize.
Speaker 2: It's not got a five star from from Meltzer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know AJ can still go, and I AJ
to me, yes, I don't go. Don't get me wrong.
It's not like Bobby last year. Tomorrow if we found out, Hey,
Kevin Owen, Kevin Owens and Cody Rhodes on Frank SmackDown,
they're having a loser leaves you know, Town and Cale.
Both kle and AJ could fit into AW their styles
are that way. I do think their storyline wise, after
Kevin does this, I've said this before. I don't know
what else there is for Kevin do. He's done everything.
I don't I think he'll ever be a top guy.
I don't think he'll forget a world title like world
title again or a w championship again. And same thing
with AJ. It's like, I don't people want to have
that one last run, but I don't think that I
foresee him winning a world title either. So I think
there's tons upside them going to AW. And they fit
with also storylines with Bucks and Kenny and the Elite
and all these people. So like if they were to go,
I'm like Bobby, like, oh, this is great. I could
see tons of stuff with these guys. But I don't
think either of them are going. I think Kevin's a lifer,
and I feel like AJ also is kind of a lifer,
like maybe like coach in the future, Like I just
I mean.
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing with MotorCity machine Guns, Like that's
the room where they signed us for. There's even a
video from like twenty nineteen WW they had. I think
Alex Shelley is like a guest host, a guest coach
of the PC for a bit. So yeah, and they
played that's another thing during Bad Blood They've played another
vignette they're teasing lot of City machine guns.
Speaker 3: I don't see Ko ever jump into AW for two reasons.
Won his friendship with the Bucks. I think will keep
him from AW and I think his friendship with Sammy
will keep him in WW. Kevin Owens doesn't seem like
the type who would want to go and work for
his friends. I think he enjoys that friendship too much
to mix the business of working for them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: If they weren't EVPs and if it was just I'm
going to go work with my friends, I think he
would do it in a heartbeat due to that association,
due to how close they are as friends, I don't
think he would want to work under his friends right now.
He's got a good thing going with WW. Triple H
obviously values him. He's not doing a lot of the
stuff that he was doing under Vince. I think that.
I don't think he's going to be a substantial world
champion again. See him winning like the World heavyweight title
and being a transitional champion with.
Speaker 1: That month, I could see him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see him also winning one of the
mid card belts and going on a nice little you're
not going going through with it, but having a nice.
Speaker 1: Little record.
Speaker 3: Run with it, getting back to you know, the prize
fighter and having an open challenge for that belt for
a while, like until they have somebody that they're building
up that they need to take that belt off of him.
But that Yeah, so I don't see him going aj
Aj could go either way, but I do see him
just saying when he's done, he's done. He's going to
go be a coach and then he's going to spend
time with his family because I think that he'd rather
be the family man and not be somebody's executive somewhere.
So if he could get something down at the performance Center,
then I think he would do that. Now, if they're
really talking about moving everything out to Vegas, then pro
most likely not because then he's a good old boy
from the South. He leaving the South. He ain't going
to Vegas like that. But yeah, I don't see either
of them making that jump.
Speaker 1: I will appreciate because AG's back. I'm very fond of
all the gay community memes that they have previous age.
If you don't know, there's like a clip of him
back in the teen age era and he's on a
radio show and the hosts like, oh, and what do
you feel about You're a big fall in the gay community,
and agents like the gay community.
Speaker 2: I've seen the full clip because I always wondered what
happened the next and it was like it was like
a caller on a radio show who said that, so
there wasn't anything next, like he just they just hung up.
Speaker 1: I love I saw like the Gay Community Bowl Club.
I saw like it was like the gay Commune and
then went to like a fan cam. Oh my god, yeah,
because Dave was right, he's a good old boy and
he's not he's not leaving there. And but yeah, like
guess was up Morrisy machine Guns. They're fully signed now
looks like they're going the main roster. It was never planned,
you know, according to some people. But yeah, I think
that's gonna be interesting. We talked about in the discord
about the tag title ladder match, which I thought was
solid last night, but I think, yeah, they probably will
be the ones to take it off of my I
would imagine even if it's like a shorter run. I
guess the idea someone might say, like, oh, well, the
older talent being the newer ones, But uh no, I
think both Ron smacked down. Even though last night it
was a good match, I still think they really need
some juicy tag divisions, and I know Triple can do it.
He did it in XT he was like fucking tag
matches main evented their shows. I'm not saying that's gonna happen,
but I'd like to get it to a point where
you could make the argument for that other than like
bloodline stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, and they're good hires. They're just like they're gonna
put on a good match with anybody. And yeah, maybe
they they link up with their TEENA brother and I
don't know, maybe you get like a TEENA wins again faction.
You get all them taken over.
Speaker 2: Who knows the New Good Brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have the New Good Brothers the main event
Mafia Reborn or whatnot. But is there any free agency
news that I'm missing right now? People thing? Oh right,
what a mess that was?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was report that they were going there, but
then the report was, well, actually, well what's his name? Penta?
His contract is going to be up soon, but his
brother's not. And I guess it just seems like the
theory is that they were going to get to cool
lot earlier. Penta.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, that Penta was going around backstage they and
he's working Cody for the belt as soon as he.
Speaker 1: Does, And I think, yeah, Penta and that's where it
shows like at the end of the day, you gotta
keep your cards close to your ches.
Speaker 2: But then there's also people like that was one of them.
But then there's also like lower stuff from people both
say like I know Penta, and he's never been one
to say something like that, so he knows it's always
up to You're never gonna know exactly this backstage.
Speaker 3: Exactly unless yeah, has said he's open to staying in
a W. He said right now, that is where he signed,
and that is where he's gonna give his effort. He's
told other people that my present, Yeah, now I'm.
Speaker 1: Going to beat you at the couch because Tony's not
gonna book you guys at all now.
Speaker 3: But if you if you look at Ray Phoenix's Instagram
or any of his social medias, for like the last
couple of months, he's been posting goodbyes.
Speaker 2: And like I think it was like the last day
of last month, like the when his contract presumably was
gonna end, he posted like a whole slide show with
a bunch of images from a W and he's like,
thank you for everything, like I loved wrestling here. Like
that was like he thought, well and that's what the
report said. Like he he thought he was done with.
Speaker 3: He tried to clean it up and say it was
just a love letter to wrestling as a whole.
Speaker 1: But I mean social media, when your contracts are up
in the air, please.
Speaker 3: Until you get that confirmation from your lawyer, bru it's
not over. And they were like, oh, you think you're
going somewhere? Yeah, how long has he been injured? Is
go ahead? Tackle that time.
Speaker 1: I don't think if Triple H signs you and then
let's say, before you and debut on TV, if you
post some about aw like your farewell, I don't think
he's gonna be like, well, you know what, fuck these guys.
Let's not push them like I think especially Triple H
understands like the ability of like working in place and
falling in love with it right and just even thanking
them for the memories. I don't think that like fucking
Cody and Jamie. But Cody's still an interviews, always says
he'll not say my former company. He still just says aw,
aw Right, the fucking Vince documentary, I know they didn't
make it, which we're talking about mentions aw like it's
like they mentioned t and a couple of nights ago.
I know they're working with him, but it's like I
feel like the whole like the old school, like ignore everybody,
pretend we're just owly resting company so.
Speaker 2: Much in the TNA, the original NW A t NA
and Noah Yeah, and that Chelsea Green and Meechen reformer
Impact Women's Yeah.
Speaker 3: Matthew's got a shout out tonight here a big.
Speaker 1: Muscle guy from Australia.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that thing where it's just like as we've seen,
like if WW mentions AW or Ray Phoenix were in
WW and he posts Instagram thing, that's not gonna be like,
fuck he was an AW want to watch AW? Like
the only thing that sways it is fucking as we've
seen is good creative for the most part. There could
be some hotshots stuff, it's like sets the idea of
like why would you be posting the ship if you
don't know one hundred percent you're gone, And that's where
it's just like, don't say that's a But I think,
like everyone said in WW, they're gonna have great merch
and I'm interested to see what they can do. I
hope they just don't get lumped in with the Santo's,
that Spar group and LWO because that can happen because
like wild and who's the other guy? I don't even
remember the other guy's name. That's another They're just fucking
and nothing. They're there kind of.
Speaker 2: Crazy thing about I think it's walking well because he's
thirty eight, you know what. God, but I thought it
was for so long that Yeah, he created the ROH
logo when he saw eighteen or something.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, ziema ion. He's been all over, Like he
had huge history with the X Division and TNA and
things like that, so yeah, he's been around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now he just he just is like a support, right, yeah,
and that's where for me he does.
Speaker 2: Of course they could jump move.
Speaker 1: They busted every yeah when he's in a match, and
it is cool. But like and that thing with the
Luca Bros. It's like, yeah, you could go there, it
could end up great. But you could also those like
forty minutes still cage classics, you have the bucks, those
are over, so it's like that's it all depends on
your perspective, right, if they want to sit there and
get the money and then maybe it works out, maybe
they become a hot tag team. But it's just like
you don't know, right, And that's where my there're someone
I worry this same way, like uh Vi king go
like that's a guy where I go, that's not w
W guy. When I heard Conan say that, I went no,
like Daniel Garcia, Ricky Starks, like with Garcia or even
Hook those two examples, I said, Oh, I can see
them work both companies, Like if they stay or go,
I can go no, I go no, that's not w guy.
I think they will. He'll just become a flippy guy
that they bust out for the rumble or this and that,
or he'll be around. But they're certain acts I do
think and Luca Bros. I think can work in w B.
But I still think they they they lean more a
WISH and I'm that's why I'm curing on.
Speaker 2: That Conan Dave's stream. They were they were saying that
they they thought that the Luca Bros. And w Would
both be better as singles.
Speaker 1: Interesting hmm, there's an argument to that. You could. They
might they could have more success that way. I think
it depends how they bring them in definitely different brands,
so for sure, like you'd have to do that so, I.
Speaker 3: Mean they're both former world champions, so yeah, it's not unseen,
but I don't know if at this point in their
career how plausible it would be for them to be
world champions. I know, mid card maybe speed champion definitely.
Speaker 1: That's my Kingo's future, this speed champion.
Speaker 3: The way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can go with the speed title. He said
he'd been when he's still in a world title before
to catch.
Speaker 1: The okay, anything else free agency wise, I think we've
been them all.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, I guess that's it. No, Daniel Garcia
of this, this really just kind of the same thing
every week. Change. It's just like here, it's like they're
they want him or like sources say it's not sources
to say that he's resigned, like sources hate say that
they hear people think he's going to resign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and who knows either way. I hope it works
out for him. Like I said, that's a guy I
can see in both brands. I personally want him staying,
aw because there's still some matches I want him to
have that he hasn't done, Like he hasn't had that
main event.
Speaker 2: Right week when when Yuna came out to say, Brian,
I thought that was those NEARI Garcia like because I
think he came out in like a hoodie. I thought
that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, that would have been good. But uh yeah,
well quickly, I suppose did you have time to do
any draft points or are we saving that for a.
Speaker 2: Next I did do it, since there were there wasn't
really I guess there weren't that many, or it wasn't
that complicated to do him because a lot of march
is lost those a lot of ones.
Speaker 1: Okay, it was with some draft points, and then we'll
do just say very quick because it's getting lay here,
We'll do just a quick thoughts on the vent stock
and then we'll end it all here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here already on week twenty seven, so I'm
on my second page, so I don't have to be
all ring out and stuff. Yeah, but uh, okay, for
I guess I'll start with me normal points. I'm at
three hundred twenty three with two hundred and ninety five
bonus points. For Travis you are at three hundred and
seventy three normal points with one hundred and sixty bonus point,
and then David is at two hundred and fifty eight
normal points with one hundred eighty five bonus points. Okay,
and yeah we're getting I guess the next draft change
up is before Survivor series, right, Okay, so we'll have
I guess that'll happen here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so okay, got some time.
Speaker 2: I kind of already know I have my I'm writing
like my list of like people I kind of want
or people if people draw, because there's there's some like
every time I look at a due points, I'm like,
I always swear there's two people particular that like I'm
always looking like I always check us three for who
has this person because they always they're always showing up.
And then I'm like, oh nobody someone dropped them or
actually no one drafted this person. So I'm like, they're
definitely top of my my list. It's one person that's like,
it's crazy that this person was was dropped looking back
at it, but I won't say who.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, there we go. We'll see what happens. Savises
will do an update. Are we doing is that before?
It's before yeah? Because war is okay, so we'll do that. So, uh,
I want to start with s Bubbs on this one?
Did you you've watched the whole doc eye assumed.
Speaker 2: I didn't finish watching those.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what were your thoughts so far?
Speaker 2: I think I watched up to I'm not sure if
it was three or four because I watched a few
in a row, just like play next episode, so I
don't remember exactly what one I ended on. I didn't
watch the whole thing, so I assume it didn't get
to the end. But I thought it was interesting. It
was like, like you guys said, like, for you guys,
I'm sure you knew like all of it, but for me,
it was like a lot of stuff that i'd like
heard about or like I knew the names of like
what happened or who was involved, but I didn't really
know the extent of it. So for me it was
still interesting in that way. But then, yeah, it was
definitely some stuff. It's like I've definitely heard this before.
I don't really need to hear it again, like the
like the WrestleMania attendance, or like like the Monday Night
Wies I didn't know that much about, so that that
doesn't helped me. But yeah, like Monday Night Wars, like
Lex Luger working the house, show the Night before Night Drove,
uh what else? Yeah, definitely get some stuff like in
each episode that's like covered already, like the screw job.
That was like a whole episode. Though I didn't think
what the screw job was interesting how they tied in
the the other like the one with the woman earlier
on Wendy Richter. Yeah, that was something I didn't really
know that much about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like a good pacing for that, like
a full circle where you start with that and then
you end with the Brett think because it it's them
trying to make Vince, like Vince look like a shitty guy.
It's like, oh, well, think he's doing this to people, right,
So it's like, em that was only like twice, And
I'm not saying it wasn't shitty because like the screwjob
is that there's things I agree with Vince, because I
think Brett was being very hard to deal with at
the same time, like he just fucking hate Shawn Michael.
So I understand like his his like his what would
it be called, like his hubris or just his his pride, right,
he just wanted this guy fucking like he's like he's
like the devil in my life, and you want me
to put him all like you because and the same thing.
Vince also gooda shows anybody else Vince not.
Speaker 3: Only who he wanted to put him out, but he like,
you want me to put over this guy in canon, Like,
because I've heard Brett saying other interviews, he is like,
I would have done it somewhere else. Yeah, exactly, I
would have happily done it somewhere else. I asked him
not to do it here, and he came back and said, no,
we think we're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I would love to Pixar creators to make like an
inside out movie, but it's like Brett in ninety seven,
like what his mind was going through in those things
like the everything happening. But uh no, that's good. So Dave,
what about you? What how'd you feel about the doc?
Speaker 3: I have a lot of feelings about the doc. First,
I will I will say this, I love both these gentlemen,
but I lost some respect for both Sina and Mick
Foley after watching their interviews. Oh, I get that he
helped make you famous, but god damn you. Your inability
to admit that he is a bad person kind of
rubbed me the wrong way. If any and follows me
on Twitter, you already know how I feel about Hulk Hogan.
That has not changed in the wake of this documentary.
He is a racist and a horrible person. And I
don't believe one fucking second that half the ship that
he was trying to make himself out to be, like, oh,
like you, you lied to the federal government about what
you were going to say on stand only so you
could surprise him all the day of and shoot and
tell them that you know, Vince had nothing to do
with it, because you save this. You's like, get out here,
you pomp this arrogant asshole like I did in the
episode about the screwjob, though I swear I thought Brett's
wife was going to knock out Triple H.
Speaker 1: And I was like, first of you had seen that
clip before.
Speaker 3: That's the first time I've seen like a bit of
that clip. I have never seen it where they linger
on us saying that from the yeah, his reaction and
kept lingering back on it. And the my single worst,
the part that sticks out to me the most about
Events just being one of the worst human beings in
the world was his line about refereed to when he
says that the relationship was consensual, that he isn't a rapist,
but if he did rape her, the statue of limitations
were was up on that anyway. I was sitting there
dumbfound it like you fucking you let that come out
of your mouth that I didn't rape but had I
stages of limitations are up anyway, It's not. I don't
know why this is a big deal to you guys, Like.
Speaker 2: The whole reason he stepped down the first time, right
because they did like the.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't the.
Speaker 3: The referee tho, I mean it was, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: That, but like the statue of limitations, that's why did
the payouts?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he did payouts instead of other stuff going on.
And that's for me. With the dog, it's funny, like
at times it plays like a borat movie because the
stuff they got him to say, like before he left
it think it's almost comedic of when they talked about that.
There's the interviewings ago. I have three minds, ones like
a work minds. One's a personal mind that it wasn't there,
wants it wants to do computers that wants to do
something in appropriate, and someone with sex it's just like
it literally feels like an SNL skin of like like
this like how like it's just they got some good
like clips.
Speaker 3: And one liner they did say.
Speaker 1: On a lot of those.
Speaker 3: What happened was they would ask him some questions and
he would give like the pre programmed answers and things
like that, and then they would just let the camera
roll and not ask a follow up. Yeah, and after
a while he would be compelled to just keep talking
because he didn't know what to do with the silence,
and then that's when he would say the dumb thing.
So each there were so many times where she's like, oh, oh,
this is nah, You're just you're a bad person. I
did man Paul Hayman's story about Shane and Vince with
the knife, and he's like, you're gonna have to if
you don't, I know, you don't have it in you.
I'm like, god damn. Like I knew Shane had some
issues with Vince and that's why he left. I knew
he wanted to go make a name for himself. He
went over to China, did really great in business. Like
I knew all of this stuff, I did not know
just how much Vince was like, I am not going
to show you what it's like to have a father
because I didn't have a father, so I didn't have it.
Fuck you, you're not getting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if any anyone out there and your dad has
a knife and he's telling you to be a man,
you gotta stab him. It's not it's not it's not
the regular relationship you're supposed to have with your your parents.
And yeah, it's so funny because you could tell the
ending of that doc was saying, like Shane centric because
it's all about him coming back and then they find
a way to hug and everything. But like then the
episode six happens where it's a go and then all
these lawsuits but it's like they're definitely trying to dovetaell
it with Shane, which is like, I think it's a
good enough story and everything like that. But yeah, it's
been interesting to see the reaction. I even overheard people
the gym mother they talk about, and that's where for
me it's completely because it's like us sposedly there's people
like even less than you there in wrestling that everyone
that's like general audience or have never watched wrestling have
just like said, really great things about it, and that's
where I just go. And even the Netflix guy did say, like, oh,
we made it for people that are gonna never seen
this first to people have watched it their whole lives,
And from that perspective, I think overall it's like a
very well made dog. So from me as a wrestling fan,
didn't learn too much more from it. I think there's
some things that I wish they focused more on. And
that's where it's like my critiques as far as just
like watching it. Even a's like if you weren't a
wrestling fan, and I guess it's tough, right, Like there's
tough where it Like for me, there's one segment where
it's like, oh, we're gonna explain to you why we
did the Rock and whole Cogan WrestleMania. It's like, what's
this gonna do with Vince? Like this is like why
is this ten minutes of like them talking about like
this iconic matchup. Like I think too, it's if I
would have been pitch of like, hey, this is a
ww documentary done by Netflix, but we got lots of
interviews with Vince, my mind would have been different. But
because it was pitches the Vince Doc. Like even like
that whole segment about I get why they got to
explain whole Cogan was, but I felt like he was
too long to explaining like who he is. He wasn't
Awa and he's wrestled Andre before. It's like, I don't
need all this. And then my other critique as far
as like if I was just watching it, like as
a non wrestling gan, I just wish they asked. And
it's tough because we talked about on After nine as well.
It's brought up where the guy said that like they've
interviewed him and times they couldn't use the clips because
his voice was sound like a frog and he wouldn't
cooperate and stuff. So it is tough, but there's just
times where I wish they pushed him a bit more
on some personal stuff because I just feel like, like,
you know what it feel like WrestleMania and they're like, well, work,
we're broke, and it's like, kind it's like, well, what
was the actually like what was the feeling? Like, what
did you feel at the end? I would have asked,
like at the end of that night whenever everyone was
going and blah blah blah, every wrestler was home. What
did you feel at the end of that night you're
just alone like stuff like that, or even the nights
with Eddie or Ben Wall, like I know he's like,
oh Chris went nuts and no, that's life. And it's
like like what, no, what where were you when you
got that call? What was your feeling? You clearly had
a relationship with this guy, especially Eddie too. It's like
there's so many clips of them hugging and being close.
It's like, what did you feel when you live? So
I thought there's ways they could have made him feel
personal and not be like in a gotcha No, I'm like, uh,
you know, what did you feel when this person accused
you for sexual assault?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Just like life stuff of Yeah, what did it feel like?
What would have been your plan if WrestleMania were like
I think there's just certain things where not even gotcha stuff,
I would have hit on him because it's like he
would have been able to answer that stuff because it's
not like, oh, I'm not in trouble, but then they
got him. Yeah, talking about rear chad, radio chatter, tins
or other stuff like the road, the computer, and like
you said, it's Vince just like talking. But overall, I
think it's well made doc. I think it's one of
those two where episodes sick is tough because like the
trial hasn't happened, so it ends on like a weird
like this stuff's going on and that's the end of
the dock. It feels very much like a to be
continued and maybe they will make more, but it's tough
because like ww's going to business with them soon, so
I just I just doubt they're like they're gonna want
to do that again, like a Vince Part two how
they did like Tiger King and everything. So overall, I
think it is a well made dog. It's not like
the be all End like I was hoping it was
gonna be, but it was still a good time. So yeah.
Speaker 3: Now there is the report that Vince is trying to
buy back his rights to make his own counter document
and how unfair the document was, and I'm like, you're
the same guy who made the destruction of the self,
destruction of the Ultimate Warrior, Like yeah, I don't need
you talking about unfair documentaries and all this other stuff,
Like we've seen how you have restructured certain things in
order to fit your narrative. But now I agree with
you on getting more personal. Like they mentioned how towards
the end of the show that they were doing the
Chrispin Wall tribute is when they start to find out
more and more about what happened with Chrismin Wall. I
would have loved for someone to ask him what pivot
did you have to make in that moment? Like how
were you feeling as you were doing this show and
you start to find this out, like get that detail
because you hear all these stories about how they're constantly
writing and rewriting the show up until it starts. I
would love to know what pivot? Did you have time
to process what happened with this wrestler of yours or
did you immediately have to go into damage control? Here's
what we're doing blah blah blah. Because especially as robotic
as he sounded about Owen's death and how that hey
paid people paid to see a show, so I had
to give him a show.
Speaker 1: And I was like, God, if he believes that, that's
a time where you should just bite the bull, but yeah,
we should have stopped the show. And like it's just
like they just I felt like they gave him so
many chances to like, yeah, but you would have now
retrospective to stop the show, like, well, no, what if
it was your son? Well you know that's different. What
was my son? It's like, okay, what if it was you?
I wanted to take the show, like they felt like
they cave force off falls of just like say you
regret it. It's like, say you wouldn't have done the
show because like when they show those clips and the
people are wrestling, no one's blood's right there, it's like,
fuck this iseg and they're showing Jared. It's just like
this sucks, man, Like this is really bad. Like again,
it's just but I feel like sometimes they did try
to help him out, but he just you know, it's
it's the way Vince is about the counter dog. Don't
do it. Just sit at home, try not to go
to prison and enjoy your billions of dollars, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like enjoy it while you have it before all the
civil suits start rolling through and you lose all your money.
But right now, spend it. Live it up, because I
mean it is over for you. There is no saving
your name, my guy. There there is no saving your name.
You're up year, like you're at the upper echellent of
very bad business people, Like you're not Epstein Ditty level,
but you're you're working your way up there. As more
stuff gets revealed, I would sit at home and be quiet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, as Joe on that is, we're almost going
on three hours longer than I even thought it was
gonna be about that happens tangents and everything. So yeah,
we will be back for not the uh, not the
Saudi Show because I looked that's uh, that's normal. A second,
that's Extra Life, that's a charity stream, so I won't
be making another geek first people be like, hey, I
gotta watch. I gotta see who's the Crown Drill Champion.
Sorry kids, But so yeah, maybe like the weekend after that,
or the week or two after that, because we kind
of find that in between because we do predictions for
Survivor series, but then also like the.
Speaker 2: Draft and everything, it's a full gear.
Speaker 1: November something because Survivor series is at the end of November, right, yeah,
full gear. It'd be great if I could line up
so we could hit them both. Maybe that's uh November
twenty third and win that's the week after, right, yeah, okay,
so yeah, maybe we'll.
Speaker 2: Wait here, so the week before that's probably like the
second week of November around there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, because then we can do predictions
for them both and kind of talk and we can
talk about Crown Jewel. I don't think anything's gonna be
big from that show, Like we'll talk about like, of course,
like a great match hope with Cody and Gunther, but
like Gunther being Crown Jewel Champions, not gonna like Viet maale.
Speaker 2: A man, and I guess that would be after n
XT Halloween havocs.
Speaker 1: Will be yeah, and Brian should be retired by that point.
So yeah, look for that. Look for probably the second
week in November, we'll be doing that and we'll be updated.
So yeah, thank you gentlemen for joining me here. This
was a fun one. Let's hopefully got some good bloodline
stuff to talk about next time we're back. See what's
going on with the Final Boss. You know, see what
other fake belts he's gonna he's going with that Crown
Jewel a belt too. Just put me in there with Cody.
Speaker 3: You know, he's gonna be walking around like Ultimore Dragon with.
Speaker 1: All the belts all made ones too by him, and
you know so well. LeZion, thank you very much for
listening to this. We'll be back next month and will
not be boring my