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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog. Something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through the or
Speaker 2: over the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and NA would have dead once you
Speaker 2: hit the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 2: saw was my dog coming over the fence. What are
Speaker 2: you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It enough
Speaker 2: out here. Look, I'm near the window now and I
Speaker 2: don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. It's quiere. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the boddy out here? What went on out there?
Speaker 2: I thought off a bit of about Sect nine. I
Speaker 2: don't know easy out there. Yeah, I'm walking right away.
Speaker 1: IMS going to welcome Carl from Arizona back to the
Speaker 1: show for round two.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, man, Hey, glad to be back.
Speaker 1: I am glad to have you. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: You've been talking about your experiences. Let's go on to
Speaker 1: the next one.
Speaker 3: It was twenty fourteen. My daughter was just finishing up
Speaker 3: her first year at Northern Arizona University. I was going
Speaker 3: to drive up, so it was like maybe second week
Speaker 3: of May. The research area that I normally go to
Speaker 3: it just opened up. The snow melt had finished, so
Speaker 3: the roads were open. I didn't even see one vehicle
Speaker 3: when I was up there. Of course, it was still
Speaker 3: like forty forty five degrees out during the day and
Speaker 3: there was still snow in patches in areas. So on
Speaker 3: the drive up the flag staff, I actually decided to
Speaker 3: swing path asked, it's not really a swing it takes
Speaker 3: effort to get there. Nevertheless, I drove back into my
Speaker 3: research area, parked, and decided I only had limited time,
Speaker 3: so I thought I'll just find some kind of a
Speaker 3: game trail or something to get down into the canyon
Speaker 3: into the area where I had my second sighting. I
Speaker 3: actually got my camera out and everything, little flip handheld camera,
Speaker 3: so I'm looking at the little screen in front of
Speaker 3: my face, and as I'm walking down to the canyon,
Speaker 3: I start realizing the wind was blowing and it was
Speaker 3: pretty cold the mid forties. I'm walking down that game
Speaker 3: trail and I realized that the wind was blowing west
Speaker 3: to east away from the canyon, so if there was
Speaker 3: any scent from myself, it wouldn't be detected because it
Speaker 3: was blowing the opposite direction. Plus, the game trail had
Speaker 3: complete cover all the way down to the meadow floor.
Speaker 3: So I get down to the bottom of this game trail,
Speaker 3: which I really hadn't used previously. I get down to
Speaker 3: the bottom, and before I step out past all the
Speaker 3: greenery that was hiding the game for it, I'm looking
Speaker 3: to the south with my camera. I'm just scanning, looking
Speaker 3: to see if there's any movement whatsoever. But I'm holding
Speaker 3: the camera way out in the front. Out of the
Speaker 3: corner of my eye, I see some motion to my right.
Speaker 3: I didn't swing the camera around, although if I had,
Speaker 3: he probably would have seen me on the news for that.
Speaker 3: But I just turned my head, so I'm filming this
Speaker 3: direction slowly. I just looked over that way, and as
Speaker 3: I'm looking in that direction, I see really what looks
Speaker 3: like more of a stump, but it was a sasquatch
Speaker 3: squatted way down where almost touching the ground, knees up
Speaker 3: in a knee up position between its legs. It was
Speaker 3: digging in the ground at the base of this fallen tree,
Speaker 3: and he maybe only did two three more little digs
Speaker 3: like that, and then suddenly went and looked straight up
Speaker 3: at me. Our eyes locked. I remember just it was
Speaker 3: about one hundred and twenty feet away. It seemed like minutes.
Speaker 3: It seemed like three minutes. It was more probably like
Speaker 3: three seconds of our eyes locked. Then he jumped up,
Speaker 3: and he came up from that squatting position with his
Speaker 3: butt almost on the ground and knees up towards the sky.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can picture that, but just
Speaker 3: erupted out, come pack down on the ground. He was
Speaker 3: just a ball, right. It wasn't noticeable. If he had
Speaker 3: actually remained completely still, I probably wouldn't have It would
Speaker 3: have taken me a while to see him sitting there
Speaker 3: because he blended in. But he just erupted out of
Speaker 3: that squatting position into the air, and his first step
Speaker 3: was six feet away from where he was squatted. Then
Speaker 3: he took one more step and then was into the
Speaker 3: deep brush. So it was just like that. He was
Speaker 3: gone at that exact same moment. I'm swinging the camera
Speaker 3: around to get him, so all you can hear on
Speaker 3: the video is just crash boom, crash boom, as he's
Speaker 3: just ripping through the brush. It was crazy. But I
Speaker 3: can't forget the face right. The eyes were dark, no
Speaker 3: whites of the eyes at all. The skin was not
Speaker 3: black right, and there wasn't a lot of hair on
Speaker 3: the face. If it was beard wise for me, it'd
Speaker 3: probably be up to hear. It was a dark gray skin,
Speaker 3: so not gun metal gray, a little darker. It's like
Speaker 3: he didn't blink. It was just these almost like goggles
Speaker 3: that were on. And then as he jumped, as he
Speaker 3: came out of that squat position and twisted in order
Speaker 3: to take that first step six feet away. I will
Speaker 3: just say that they are not circumcised, shared the same
Speaker 3: skin coloring. It was quite memorable. Now I didn't at
Speaker 3: that moment because I knew that probably there may be
Speaker 3: others in the area. I wasn't going to just run
Speaker 3: over there or chase them or whatever. And I just
Speaker 3: stood there in shock for a minute. And of course
Speaker 3: now I'm turned this direction with the camera and to
Speaker 3: my left where I had been filming initially, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, now crash boom, crash boom, going up the
Speaker 3: hill out of the canyon. So there was two other
Speaker 3: individuals just to the south of me that took off
Speaker 3: up the hill through the brush. I walked down the
Speaker 3: canyon quite a ways. I looked in areas where we
Speaker 3: had previously found the baby footprints all over the place,
Speaker 3: and there weren't any footprints at all down in that
Speaker 3: snow melt mud. Of course, there was no tracks from
Speaker 3: wads or anything else in that area. Then I walked
Speaker 3: back towards my car, and before I went back up
Speaker 3: that game trail, I went over and that's where I
Speaker 3: did all the measurements and stuff. But it looks like
Speaker 3: he was eating the small fern. When the ferns come out,
Speaker 3: they're just little, and he was basically digging those out
Speaker 3: and eating them. Because there was several of them that
Speaker 3: were laying out there on the ground. That was an
Speaker 3: interesting thing. Nearby, within probably fifty feet of that, there
Speaker 3: was a deer skull and it was just laying there,
Speaker 3: upside down, no other parts of the deer anywhere else.
Speaker 3: When I saw it, I thought, I think probably the
Speaker 3: Sasquatch had handled it, or at least brought it there
Speaker 3: for some reason. It could have just been laying there,
Speaker 3: but it was just odd that there was no other
Speaker 3: pieces of it at all nearby, so I got a
Speaker 3: bag out of my pack. Thankfully I carry a couple
Speaker 3: of really large bags as well, so I bagged the
Speaker 3: deer skull without touching it, just through the plastic. Brought
Speaker 3: that home because I knew that I have a friend
Speaker 3: who can actually touch objects and get feelings, reference names
Speaker 3: and stuff. Psychometry's what it's called. So I actually had
Speaker 3: her handle the deer scull. From that, she had some
Speaker 3: pretty interesting readings and I know she's got that up
Speaker 3: on her website ghost onnythories dot com. She said it
Speaker 3: was the most unusual thing that she's ever touched because
Speaker 3: it gave her this odd vision. It was like different
Speaker 3: eyesight that she saw, which she didn't know what the
Speaker 3: heck she was looking as whether or not you believe.
Speaker 3: And at this point I hadn't had any WU type experiences,
Speaker 3: but it was one of those things where I know
Speaker 3: somebody who can touch objects, I'm going to pick up.
Speaker 3: I'm going to collect that bear skull. So it was
Speaker 3: one of those spur of the moment decisions that I
Speaker 3: made there. That was my sixth siding, so that was
Speaker 3: quite the time. But I had been assigned to a
Speaker 3: project soon after that, where I was in Long Island,
Speaker 3: New York. Initially about six months in Manhattan. I didn't
Speaker 3: even go looking in Manhattan. In case anybody wonders. I know,
Speaker 3: when I talk about Long Island, people say there is
Speaker 3: just no way that there's any bigfoot on Long Island.
Speaker 3: There's too many people. I'm like, have you ever been
Speaker 3: on Long Island? No, Or I've been to Brooklyn. I'm like,
Speaker 3: get out of here. Once they relocated me from Manhattan
Speaker 3: on the project, not the Manhattan Project, out to the
Speaker 3: middle of Long Island, I started doing some research. I
Speaker 3: was like, this area actually could support them. So I
Speaker 3: probably spent the first couple of months moving further west
Speaker 3: in my evenings after work, doing research in different open areas.
Speaker 3: Further west you go, the more populated it was. That
Speaker 3: was unsuccessful. I didn't find any signs of them at all.
Speaker 3: But I went on and look for different sightings that
Speaker 3: had occurred in the past. The only sighting I could
Speaker 3: find was from eighteen ninety nine at Rockaway Beach, which
Speaker 3: is in the southwest corner of Long Island. I think
Speaker 3: that sighting might be a little stale fit. All my
Speaker 3: parameters of the way I searched. My final trudge to
Speaker 3: the west was in the Boyster Bay area, and I
Speaker 3: didn't find anything up in that area except for Theta
Speaker 3: Roosevelt's home. One night, sitting at the hotel room doing research,
Speaker 3: trying to figure out where I need to go next,
Speaker 3: I decided that I'm going to look at paranormal websites
Speaker 3: ghost hunting websites. Sure enough, I ran across some articles
Speaker 3: that talk about where this group had gone. There was
Speaker 3: stories of this whose child had died and she drowned
Speaker 3: in the creek from that forest. Still today you can
Speaker 3: hear more in full treats, and sometimes you can see
Speaker 3: red eyes in the woods. Rocks would materialize from nowhere
Speaker 3: in the dark and were thrown at our group and
Speaker 3: so forth. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, right,
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm going to start hitting those
Speaker 3: areas as well. I ended up finding the first area
Speaker 3: that was near me was really bordered a corporate complex
Speaker 3: that was right across the street from the hotel that
Speaker 3: I was in, really close. I went over there with
Speaker 3: a flashlight but the headlamp and it was still dark.
Speaker 3: I went into that area. I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 3: is actually ideal. They can transit across this area no problem,
Speaker 3: they can stay hidden, and there's food and opportunity to
Speaker 3: dumpster dive, even at the corporate center. So I came
Speaker 3: back in the morning. I stopped by the hotel's concierge
Speaker 3: a couple of apples, and I took them out into
Speaker 3: the wood. And this is my first attempt at the gifteing.
Speaker 3: So I get into the woods and I go fairly
Speaker 3: deep in there, but of course I'm still on my
Speaker 3: way to work. I place the apples. I come back
Speaker 3: in the evening after work, and the apple's are still
Speaker 3: sitting there. When the next day, apples are still there.
Speaker 3: In the morning, the apples are still there in the evening.
Speaker 3: Didn't move it all. So I ended up flying back
Speaker 3: home on the Thursday night, and I come back on
Speaker 3: Sunday night. Before I even check into the hotel, I
Speaker 3: go into the woods check and the apple's gone, right,
Speaker 3: So something Friday, Saturday, Sunday day took the apple right.
Speaker 3: The next morning, I take another apple and I go
Speaker 3: place it out there. At night when I got off work,
Speaker 3: the apple's gone. So I'm like, Okay, now I got
Speaker 3: to figure out what's going on, right, So I repeated
Speaker 3: that through the week, apple was gone every day and
Speaker 3: there was no crumbs on the ground, that there was
Speaker 3: no evidence that if it was a squirrel or then
Speaker 3: a large bird possibly, but there was just no evidence
Speaker 3: anywhere near of pieces of the apple. I went back
Speaker 3: home that next week, came back and this time I
Speaker 3: brought my game camera with so I set up the
Speaker 3: game camera with the apple. Sat there for two days,
Speaker 3: and then the apple was gone. So I checked the
Speaker 3: game camera and I see a squirrel chewing on and
Speaker 3: of course, and I did find pieces of that apple
Speaker 3: on the ground. But the squirrel comes by and starts
Speaker 3: chewing on the apple and then struggles to try to
Speaker 3: haul it off after a little bit. Okay, all right,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll set this up again. Right before I leave
Speaker 3: on Thursday, check out of the hotel. I'll set an
Speaker 3: apple out there. I'll leave my game camera here over
Speaker 3: the weekend. I had it strip apped tightly to a tree.
Speaker 3: And I think you probably if you've ever used a
Speaker 3: game camera, it's not budging. It was really interesting that
Speaker 3: there was some wind. Small leaves would just move a
Speaker 3: little bit when the picture and it would trigger the
Speaker 3: video and the apple's just sitting there. So the apple
Speaker 3: sat there all the way until night about two am,
Speaker 3: when it recorded maybe a dozen fourteen little clips of
Speaker 3: just where wind moved a branch or something, and it
Speaker 3: triggered the camera. About two thirty in the morning, the
Speaker 3: camera suddenly shifts, It gets turned, it gets twisted onto
Speaker 3: the tree that it's strapped to, moved it over maybe
Speaker 3: about an inch and a half. It even had little
Speaker 3: posts in the back of my camera, so it left
Speaker 3: scratch merks where the camera slid, but it was still
Speaker 3: pointing at the apple where the apple was, so I
Speaker 3: was like, something will happen next, And about a half
Speaker 3: hour later, you can see there's a slight breeze, the
Speaker 3: wind moves a quig a little bit, and then it stops.
Speaker 3: Then probably an hour later, the apple's there. Apple's not there.
Speaker 3: It literally just disappeared. You couldn't even see anything take it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, that's unusual, right, And I thought,
Speaker 3: obviously they don't like game cameras. That was my first lesson,
Speaker 3: and I ended up pretty much abandoning those after a
Speaker 3: while because it just really interfered with the interaction. So
Speaker 3: I never did that again. That week. Now that I
Speaker 3: was back and had retrieved the camera. On Monday, I
Speaker 3: set up an apple in this nook of this tree.
Speaker 1: I went to work and stay tuned for more sasquatch
Speaker 1: out to sea. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I come back Monday at lunch just to check on
Speaker 3: the apple. I come in there and the apple's gone.
Speaker 3: Now I had placed it about eight am, and here
Speaker 3: it is noon. The apple's gone. And in that nook
Speaker 3: of the tree, which is up off the ground, there's
Speaker 3: a small polished quartz rock sitting up in that nook.
Speaker 3: I was excited. I can't believe took the apple and
Speaker 3: replaced it with this piece of polish courts right. So
Speaker 3: I run back to the office and I take a
Speaker 3: picture of it. I send it to some of the
Speaker 3: other researcher friends of mine. I'm like, I can't believe
Speaker 3: this was my first gift. And they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: you should put it back, put it back where it was.
Speaker 3: And I think they gifted it to me and said, oh,
Speaker 3: you should put it back. I was like, okay. This
Speaker 3: person had been out of the field a little longer
Speaker 3: than myself, so I was like, that's fine, I'll try that.
Speaker 3: I went back, I put it back, actually had lunch,
Speaker 3: and I was going to put it back in the
Speaker 3: nook of that tree where it was. Then I decided, no,
Speaker 3: you know what, and there was a tree stump where
Speaker 3: a small tree had broken off about halfway up. I
Speaker 3: went over there and I put it about twenty feet away,
Speaker 3: just sitting on top of that tree stump. I come
Speaker 3: back that evening. It's no longer sitting on that tree stump.
Speaker 3: It's back up exactly where I had the apple earlier
Speaker 3: that day. That's why I realized, no, it definitely wants
Speaker 3: me to keep this. That really started a collection over
Speaker 3: time of gifts that I had gotten in different states
Speaker 3: as well. It's an interesting attitude that they have that
Speaker 3: continued for a while. I was getting gifts, I was
Speaker 3: putting out apples and so forth. Pretty Soon it started
Speaker 3: getting really cold and there was a pretty good snowfall.
Speaker 3: I didn't get off until almost ten pm. I had
Speaker 3: some apples in the car, had two apples in the
Speaker 3: car for them, but I was like, ah, I'll still
Speaker 3: go out in the woods, trudged through the snow and
Speaker 3: clean up my shoes later and go put them out
Speaker 3: there in the gifting area. As I started getting into
Speaker 3: the woods ten pm at night, I started walking up
Speaker 3: the trail and just about ran at the edge of
Speaker 3: the woods from the Corporate Center, I hear this huge
Speaker 3: it was probably an inch or inch and a half
Speaker 3: diameter branch that was just broken, and it was close.
Speaker 3: It was within fifty feet of me, and I stopped
Speaker 3: that in my tracks. My first thought was, now, I'll
Speaker 3: still go in there and do that, and then I
Speaker 3: go Now that was warning. So I backed up a
Speaker 3: few steps and I held the apples up and I
Speaker 3: just said, these are for you. I took them and
Speaker 3: I rolled them up the trail into the woods and
Speaker 3: I went back. I got back in my car and
Speaker 3: I drove through the Corporate Center back over to the hotel.
Speaker 3: Across the street. In between the Corporate Center offices, there
Speaker 3: was a strip of wooded area that was maybe only
Speaker 3: twenty thirty feet wide. Had branches and a lot of
Speaker 3: brush that was in that area, so limited cover, but
Speaker 3: still cover. But the next morning I get up early,
Speaker 3: and at this time I have to give a couple
Speaker 3: of my coworkers a ride from the hotel to the office.
Speaker 3: I come out of the parking lot and they're with me.
Speaker 3: I walk up to my rental car and sitting on
Speaker 3: top of the car right in the passenger side is
Speaker 3: a small fossil sitting up on top of my car.
Speaker 3: So sometime during the night they had come over there
Speaker 3: and basically returned a gift to me for the apples
Speaker 3: that I tossed into the woods. That one shocked me.
Speaker 3: I did not expect them because they actually had to
Speaker 3: cross a road in order to get over to the hotel,
Speaker 3: but there was still cover that easily stayed hidden all
Speaker 3: the way in there. One thing I did find during
Speaker 3: that research was they were because we're in that area
Speaker 3: corporate center. There was no creek, no flowing water in
Speaker 3: that area. What they had been doing I found a
Speaker 3: huge stash of gatorade bottles, empty water bottles, seven to
Speaker 3: eleven slur beacups or whatever. I found just a large
Speaker 3: pile of it. There was no food wrappers in there.
Speaker 3: I couldn't understand it until I realized that right at
Speaker 3: the edge of where the woods met the corporate center
Speaker 3: there were sprinklers. So summertime, they were going up there
Speaker 3: to the edge of those end. When the sprinklers turned on,
Speaker 3: they just filled up the water bottles if you think
Speaker 3: that they're not smart, It's something I would do. But
Speaker 3: if it was a person camping out of the woods,
Speaker 3: there probably would have been some food wrappers or something
Speaker 3: else like that. But I think they were pulling those
Speaker 3: containers and everything out of the dumpster from the corporate center. Now,
Speaker 3: I followed that area from the corporate center up north.
Speaker 3: It crossed one road, but there was also a culvert
Speaker 3: under that road for drainage that connected into a fourteen
Speaker 3: hundred acre county forest preserve, in fact, the same forest
Speaker 3: preserve that Walt Whitman wrote much of his pros up
Speaker 3: in those woods. But that area had been known for
Speaker 3: going all the way back in historical accounts to the
Speaker 3: mid sixteen, hundreds of people would hear moans and cries
Speaker 3: and howling from the woods, and that's how the area
Speaker 3: got its nickname Mount Misery. But in between the road
Speaker 3: and the woods there's also a thing called the Northern
Speaker 3: State Parkway across northern Long Island. I did discover that
Speaker 3: there was some grating on one of the culverts that
Speaker 3: went underneath the freeway. The metal bars that were bent
Speaker 3: in order to gain access to transit between the highway.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine what bent those unless somebody went in
Speaker 3: there with some jaws of life or something to spread
Speaker 3: those bars, I couldn't imagine what would do that. I
Speaker 3: really focused my area then up in that larger county
Speaker 3: forests or sure enough, I've ended up finding structures all
Speaker 3: over the place. In fact, one time I was down
Speaker 3: in this where they had quarried the gravel. At one
Speaker 3: point a long time ago, I was down in that
Speaker 3: area looking at some larger footprints down there, and up
Speaker 3: above I heard one running. It was pretty loud, and
Speaker 3: now it could have been a jogger, but I came
Speaker 3: running up the hill to try to meet it because
Speaker 3: I could hear it, and I missed it just by seconds.
Speaker 3: It was enough that it went down to this other
Speaker 3: gully on the other side of this trail, because there
Speaker 3: was hiking trails all over it, so there was joggers
Speaker 3: in the area. But this was really heavy footfalls that
Speaker 3: I was hearing. I get up there just in time
Speaker 3: to see the brush still doing this as it went
Speaker 3: down the hill, and I could hear it crashing down there,
Speaker 3: and then it stopped. Then I started walking up the
Speaker 3: trail a bit in order to see if I could
Speaker 3: get a better glimpse. That was the first time I
Speaker 3: ever smelled. I don't know if the Arizona ones shower
Speaker 3: regularly or something that There is one later episode where
Speaker 3: we actually smelled one. My friend and I walked through it. It
Speaker 3: almost made me puke on the site because it was
Speaker 3: so foul. I always tell people to the summertime. It
Speaker 3: was like the mixture of wet grass clippings that are
Speaker 3: a week old was summer quarter a potty. The funniest
Speaker 3: thing was I walked through it and the trail of
Speaker 3: that scent was only about fifteen feet wide, so I
Speaker 3: could walk outside one side, no smell, walked back through it,
Speaker 3: almost puked again, so trying to document it, and as
Speaker 3: I'm doing that, it starts throwing some rocks and acorns
Speaker 3: at me from down below in that gully. Weren't hitting me,
Speaker 3: but they were just coming up and landing near me
Speaker 3: and bouncing along the trail and stuff. That was about
Speaker 3: the time I was like, okay, I was starting to
Speaker 3: get really dark and I was really deep into the
Speaker 3: woods there, so I decided I'll just start hiking out.
Speaker 3: So I started hiking back out and it took a
Speaker 3: while to get up this trail. It was a long distance,
Speaker 3: so I'm almost back to the truck. I thought I
Speaker 3: heard something up ahead, but there's a lot of deer
Speaker 3: around Long Island as well, but I couldn't see anything.
Speaker 3: I heard something running, but like I said, could have
Speaker 3: been a deer, and I didn't get the thermal booted
Speaker 3: up before I could see anything. I get up to
Speaker 3: that area crossing the trail, almost the same thing bisecting
Speaker 3: the trail. Here's the smell again, same exact smell where
Speaker 3: it crossed the trail. I had assumed that didn't happen
Speaker 3: prior to my encounter, because it was probably twenty minutes
Speaker 3: after I reached that point from when I had stopped
Speaker 3: investigating at the almost sighting. I walked a little further,
Speaker 3: about another one thousand feet ahead. I see it. It's
Speaker 3: really dark out. I see a thermal hit out in
Speaker 3: the woods. It's human shape that's behind brush and stuff.
Speaker 3: I start getting closer. I got super excited and I
Speaker 3: come around the thing. It was obvious it was a
Speaker 3: person because I could see the belt lying and there
Speaker 3: was pants. So I come up and I actually surprised
Speaker 3: the guy. He didn't expect nobody to be walking out
Speaker 3: in the dark. Plus I could just naturally see that
Speaker 3: there was a glow from his cell phone, and I
Speaker 3: was like, what are you doing out here? And the
Speaker 3: guy was a little surprised. This was at the time
Speaker 3: when Pokemon Go was a big rage. He was out
Speaker 3: there capturing Pokemon in the woods. Probably about six months later,
Speaker 3: I'm in that same area. I had gone out hiked around.
Speaker 3: I found a couple of structures that day, and then
Speaker 3: walking back, this is the first time that I ever
Speaker 3: found what I called ground clifts. There would be fresh
Speaker 3: broken twigs that were arranged on the forest floor. I
Speaker 3: documented them all know the exact meaning of them, but
Speaker 3: I had found a couple of those that day in
Speaker 3: the structure and walking back and I get almost to
Speaker 3: the vehicle. As I'm walking up to the rental car
Speaker 3: to open it up, I hear a jogger coming. It's
Speaker 3: almost dark. There'd be runners in the forest, but I
Speaker 3: could see down this trail and normally somebody'd have a
Speaker 3: headlamp on or something, but there were no lights whatsoever.
Speaker 3: But I could hear footfalls coming up this trail. So
Speaker 3: I got the thermal on and just as it was
Speaker 3: about to come into view, suddenly it turned and it
Speaker 3: dove into this brush. I could see this heat blob
Speaker 3: through the brush. Now, I don't count this as one
Speaker 3: of my sightings. But when if I moved off to
Speaker 3: the left or to see if I could get a
Speaker 3: better angle to look into that brush, it shifted over
Speaker 3: further into this other brush. Now, there's still mosquitoes out
Speaker 3: and it's nothing I would want to dive into, but
Speaker 3: it continued to move around in this brush to avoid
Speaker 3: me looking at it. When I finally tried to walk
Speaker 3: up the side get a side view angle into the brush,
Speaker 3: it took off and it ran up that trail into
Speaker 3: some deeper brush on the other side of the truck.
Speaker 3: I missed it. I was blocked by the other brush
Speaker 3: when I did that. Now, I don't encourage one to
Speaker 3: antagonize one, especially if it was just out for an
Speaker 3: evening jog. It dove into this other rush on the side. Well,
Speaker 3: I came back towards the truck, and of course it
Speaker 3: was already in there, and I could see just keep
Speaker 3: signature in behind this thing, and it was tall. I
Speaker 3: couldn't estimate the height on it, but it was really tall,
Speaker 3: and so I started walking a little bit towards it
Speaker 3: with thermal see if I could get an angle or
Speaker 3: a better thermal image. And as I did that, I
Speaker 3: suddenly had this experience. I would say I was stapped
Speaker 3: by infrasound. I suddenly just it was like my brain
Speaker 3: just couldn't even focus. I was almost I wouldn't say paralyzed,
Speaker 3: but I started I actually dropped down to a knee.
Speaker 3: It was this It's hard to explain, but it was
Speaker 3: like my whole system was disrupted, my whole nervous system.
Speaker 3: I was down on the ground. I had one hand
Speaker 3: on the ground holding the camera in one hand by
Speaker 3: this time on both my knees, and I managed just
Speaker 3: to say I'm a friend. I said that in English.
Speaker 3: And when I said that, suddenly this feeling just released
Speaker 3: off of me. Took me a little bit. I was
Speaker 3: still on the ground. I managed to barely stand up.
Speaker 3: I just put my hand up like this and I
Speaker 3: said thank you, and I went and I got in
Speaker 3: the truck and I left. I hadn't eaten dinner that night.
Speaker 3: I went over to go have dinner. I just couldn't
Speaker 3: even eat. I just sat at the bar for lungs,
Speaker 3: and I feel like, do you want a beer? I'm like,
Speaker 3: I would love a beer, but I just don't feel
Speaker 3: like I could even stomach it at the moment. Took
Speaker 3: me about an hour before I actually felt normal again.
Speaker 3: That was a lesson learned for sure. Later on, I
Speaker 3: was working on some audio from a site near the
Speaker 3: Red River in Texas Oklahoma border. Two sask watches were talking,
Speaker 3: but it was two different voices on the thing. I
Speaker 3: was trying to go through and clean it up. Take
Speaker 3: out the audio, take out crickets, take out ambient noise,
Speaker 3: et cetera, in order to better hear those voices. And
Speaker 3: as I kept playing that audio, I started getting that
Speaker 3: same feeling again. They had noise canceling headphones on. As
Speaker 3: I was working on this piece of audio, I felt
Speaker 3: like I was going to pass out. I thought, I've
Speaker 3: been at this a while, I better take a break.
Speaker 3: I started feeling better. After about an hour. I came back,
Speaker 3: I started working on it again. I started getting the
Speaker 3: feeling almost immediately again. Right after that, and that's when
Speaker 3: I look down in the lower ranges of the audio.
Speaker 3: I saw between sixteen and eighteen hertz. Sixteen was the
Speaker 3: bottom that the microphone captured, but modulating in between about
Speaker 3: sixteen and eighteen point five, I'll say in that range
Speaker 3: there was a modulation that I could see on the thing,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't hear it. So I isolated it and
Speaker 3: then brought that up into audible rain and pumped it
Speaker 3: up I think eighty hrtz. It sounded more like a
Speaker 3: digit or a doo. It wasn't just a blast of
Speaker 3: sixteen herts whatever. It was this whoa that kind of
Speaker 3: deep modulation, So that at least I felt validated my
Speaker 3: experience from that. But I do have an audio clip
Speaker 3: of that that I could send you later that you
Speaker 3: want to share that with everyone. Long Island was a
Speaker 3: great success. I did go a few other areas. I
Speaker 3: had to stay the weekend. They had to take off
Speaker 3: some processes on Sunday night, so I went. I explored
Speaker 3: eastern Long Island quite a bit. Did find a location
Speaker 3: where there was a lake and there was a story,
Speaker 3: once again, a ghost story of the old man who
Speaker 3: used to watch over that property and was keeping strangers out.
Speaker 3: His spirit still throws rocks at people and follows them.
Speaker 3: That people can hear him walking along the trail near them.
Speaker 3: But they don't see anyone. So I went to that area,
Speaker 3: and sure enough I started getting paralleled in that area.
Speaker 3: Regardless of all my efforts to communicate with it in
Speaker 3: the times that I was in the woods there, it
Speaker 3: didn't respond at all, but still paralleling me.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: So finally I got up to the parking lot nearby
Speaker 3: to get in my car. So that was probably like
Speaker 3: three hours worth of trying to get a reaction or
Speaker 3: rock clack or something. I get up to the car
Speaker 3: and as I'm loading all my equipment in the car,
Speaker 3: right from the edge of the woods where the trail
Speaker 3: exited in the brush, suddenly there's this imitation of the
Speaker 3: worst invitation you've ever heard of a dog. I stopped
Speaker 3: and I looked up there and I just went like this.
Speaker 3: I laughed, and I laughed. I said that was bad,
Speaker 3: and then it did it again, but it actually sounded
Speaker 3: like a better goal. That was pretty much those interactions
Speaker 3: that I had. I never actually got the sea one
Speaker 3: on Long Island except what I call thermal blo. After
Speaker 3: that project, I ended up getting assigned onto a project
Speaker 3: in Chicago, so I'm just going to use my same
Speaker 3: modus operandi here in Chicago. Started looking for them in
Speaker 3: the forest preserves in and around Chicago metropolitan area. The
Speaker 3: furthest east I went was in the woods along the
Speaker 3: Splains River, which I did find a few structures in
Speaker 3: that area, but it wasn't a lot. Then I moved
Speaker 3: over to the Bussy Woods. Now both it's split by
Speaker 3: I can't remember the name of the road that kind
Speaker 3: of splits woods in half. But to the north of
Speaker 3: Bussy Woods is Interstate ninety. On the west side of
Speaker 3: the woods is Salt Creek. To the south there's a
Speaker 3: lake and there's humans are using sailboats on there, and
Speaker 3: there's more activity up there. The northern part believes a
Speaker 3: lot jogging trails, which was very similar to what I
Speaker 3: saw on Long Island. I found structures everywhere up in
Speaker 3: that area. I found a partial footprint could have been
Speaker 3: a human with a toad jogging shoe on. It was
Speaker 3: still looked pretty big, but I had to write it off.
Speaker 3: I am my worst skeptic. Not everything in the woods
Speaker 3: that snaps and crackles these a sasquatch. So I continued
Speaker 3: further west from there branched out. There was one horse
Speaker 3: preserve I went to that had a lot of people
Speaker 3: call those. Some people call them horse apples. They're large, bumpy,
Speaker 3: inedible to us, but apparently pasquatch like them. I found
Speaker 3: some world that were eaten, just like apples. I'd gone
Speaker 3: there twice. I found these apples that have been eaten.
Speaker 3: So I was like, let warrants me coming back a
Speaker 3: couple different times. So I got there, hiked back into
Speaker 3: this area right near the lake where these were growing
Speaker 3: right there. As I got up there, there must have
Speaker 3: been one right there standing still, but as I got closer,
Speaker 3: it took off. I didn't see it. It was dusk,
Speaker 3: was a five thirty or so. It took off. It
Speaker 3: just crashed. I knew that sounds just the crash now.
Speaker 3: It could have been a deer, but I've never known
Speaker 3: deer to be munching on these at all. After that,
Speaker 3: I ended up going to an area that was further
Speaker 3: north towards Algonquin, Illinois, from where I was working. I
Speaker 3: got up in that area and I really didn't see
Speaker 3: any structures. I did see some interesting animals. I saw foxes,
Speaker 3: animals that I didn't expect to see a couple of
Speaker 3: weird thermal hits that I still have not rectified what
Speaker 3: they were. Some kind of smaller creature. He told me
Speaker 3: there was a caper bear running around in northern Illinois.
Speaker 3: That's about the only thing that I could see fits
Speaker 3: the size and dimension of I continued further south towards
Speaker 3: my hotel. I got down to this area that had
Speaker 3: a lake nearby. I started hiking back and then I
Speaker 3: found structures. Every single week I started frequenting those woods.
Speaker 3: There wasn't typically a lot of people back in there hiking.
Speaker 3: Most people like fishing on the lake. Once you got
Speaker 3: past the lake, I pretty much had the woods to myself.
Speaker 3: Every day after work, i'd go back in there and hike,
Speaker 3: looking at those structures where I had noted going back
Speaker 3: and visiting them to see if there was any additional
Speaker 3: materials added to them. I get back in there one
Speaker 3: day and I'm walking down the trail. I'm probably halfway
Speaker 3: back there, and all of a sudden, I hear this
Speaker 3: rustling sound and it's a lot of rustling in the brush.
Speaker 3: Now there was weeds that are probably about five foot tall,
Speaker 3: and they're pretty old. I can't remember what species they are,
Speaker 3: but they were really tall. But I could hear a
Speaker 3: lot of brush movement right and I was thinking I'd
Speaker 3: seen deer back in there several times. So I was thinking,
Speaker 3: there's at least two deer bounding through the brush here,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to see it in a minute. So
Speaker 3: I actually got my cell phone out and I started
Speaker 3: getting the camera loaded, and just about that time it stopped.
Speaker 3: There was no more sound, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the sound wasn't horizontal anymore. The sound was vertical. It
Speaker 3: was up in a tree. And I started looking up,
Speaker 3: and I don't think a deer went up a tree.
Speaker 3: What the heck? So I started looking up in the trees.
Speaker 3: In this tree that was about maybe one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty feet away from me, I see the tree had
Speaker 3: split in the trunk. That was like three splits in
Speaker 3: this thing. Out of that split, this long arm comes
Speaker 3: reaching out that area of the tree. I couldn't say anything,
Speaker 3: but it was a very long arm with black hair
Speaker 3: on it reaches out and grabs this fresh green shoot
Speaker 3: off of the tree and pulls it back into that area.
Speaker 3: In hindsight, if I had my camera on video mode,
Speaker 3: it's just going to take a picture of a couple
Speaker 3: of deer. I may have captured a video of that arm.
Speaker 3: So I ran up ahead and I found the tree
Speaker 3: that it was in. Heading up that tree, there's no
Speaker 3: other sound that curved in the woods, so I knew
Speaker 3: whatever it was was still up in the tree. I
Speaker 3: started walking back worth and trying to get a view
Speaker 3: and see what I could. I can't see anything up
Speaker 3: in there. There's a lot of greenery up in that area.
Speaker 3: I couldn't see anything. So I walked a little further
Speaker 3: to the south, and there's a large meadow there. I
Speaker 3: got out my camera took a couple of pictures of
Speaker 3: the meadow. I didn't see anything moving in the tree, darn.
Speaker 3: I took some selfies of myself with the tree, one
Speaker 3: of me pointing up into that nook where it was.
Speaker 3: I took a few photos looking north towards the tree.
Speaker 3: The trail kind of curved around that area, so I
Speaker 3: took pictures looking west. So this time, the sun had
Speaker 3: already set or just had bomb bound below the horizon,
Speaker 3: so I took a few pictures looking west, and then
Speaker 3: I went up as far north as I could. I
Speaker 3: took pictures of the tree that direction to see if
Speaker 3: I could enhance anything there. Then I went back and
Speaker 3: I took video play around the tree, zoomed in walking
Speaker 3: around that tree, looking at that area on the video.
Speaker 3: The bugs were relentless. It was not a good environment.
Speaker 3: I kept looking at that. I'm just gonna until it
Speaker 3: gets too dark where I can't see anymore. I'm going
Speaker 3: to keep at this. And then I started hearing some
Speaker 3: branches breaking on either side of this tree. And that's
Speaker 3: when I started thinking, you know what, this is probably
Speaker 3: a juvenile that went up the tree. The adults are
Speaker 3: down here and they're just putting up with me, really
Speaker 3: pestering the juvenile. I better leave. So then I apologized
Speaker 3: to them in English and said I'm sorry, I'll be
Speaker 3: heading out of here, and then I left right So
Speaker 3: later on I went back and looked at the footage
Speaker 3: and pictures. The pictures looking to the north, even though
Speaker 3: at the time when I was there, I couldn't really
Speaker 3: see it, but you can actually see the profile along
Speaker 3: one of the tree trunks. One of those in the split.
Speaker 3: You can actually see the upper back curves down towards
Speaker 3: a waste and then out towards the butt right there.
Speaker 3: And it's a darkish, shorter black hair on that profile's
Speaker 3: view of the torso probably I would say this much
Speaker 3: at the back is what was wired alongside the tree
Speaker 3: trump From the pictures I took looking west, you can
Speaker 3: actually see a shadow of a head that actually has
Speaker 3: a little conical shape silhouetted against the setting sun, but
Speaker 3: with all the greenery in front of it. But you
Speaker 3: can see this solid shadowed shape with kind of a
Speaker 3: dome head. When I came round to the north side
Speaker 3: looking to the southwest, you could actually see the greenery
Speaker 3: like this, but you can see the face, domed head,
Speaker 3: shorter hair actually the same texture that on the back profile,
Speaker 3: and you could see the face. There's definitely a brow ridge,
Speaker 3: deep eye sockets, and a grayish skin. The original photo
Speaker 3: was a little dirt. When I enhanced it and lightened
Speaker 3: it up and brought up the contrast, it's a match
Speaker 3: to the back profile. That's probably the best photo evidence
Speaker 3: that I've gotten of one. But that was pretty incredible evening,
Speaker 3: especially when I found those at the hotel later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely sounds like it. There's a lot to
Speaker 1: unpack there, but I guess I'll ask you this. You
Speaker 1: mentioned it a while back about the WU or the
Speaker 1: high strangeness part of this. Yes, you've had some interesting experiences,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing that's really been out there, at least
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that you've told us thus far. What
Speaker 1: do you consider to be the greatest high strangeness and
Speaker 1: or WU kind of experience that you believe is attributable
Speaker 1: to these creatures.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to my next contract assignment and travel. I
Speaker 3: was actually in the Saint Louis area doing some research
Speaker 3: in southern Illinois east of Saint Louis. This was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: There was a lot of flooding on them Mississippi. At
Speaker 3: the time. I had done my research and my homework
Speaker 3: at the hotel room. I already had a game plan
Speaker 3: out for the week, so I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to hit this area and I'm going to hit this
Speaker 3: area over here. The one area actually had a small
Speaker 3: road that you could get into those woods. However, there
Speaker 3: was a low section that was at the front of
Speaker 3: that road, and sure enough, it was flooded when I
Speaker 3: got there. This is probably about eleven three at night.
Speaker 3: I think I get down to that area, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, the best I can do. I thought, maybe
Speaker 3: I can get in from a different direction. So I
Speaker 3: circled these woods for a little while, trying to figure
Speaker 3: out a way I could get into those woods. I
Speaker 3: couldn't get into those woods, so I actually just parked
Speaker 3: it on the side of the highway. Now there was
Speaker 3: no traffic whatsoever. I think I saw one or two
Speaker 3: cars pass by the area as I was circling. I
Speaker 3: get out of the car and I thought to myself,
Speaker 3: I'll do a howl or I'll do a whoop and
Speaker 3: I'll get a response. I decided, just on the spur
Speaker 3: of the moment, I'm like, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 3: to try something. So I just stood there. All I
Speaker 3: had done was gotten out of the car right and
Speaker 3: I'm standing. I walked around the passenger side, so I'm
Speaker 3: just right on the edge of the slope downhill towards
Speaker 3: where it's flooded. I didn't speak any words, I didn't
Speaker 3: make a sound. I just walked out of the car,
Speaker 3: stood there, and I thought to myself, if you're in there,
Speaker 3: could you please knock for me. About a minute later,
Speaker 3: cracking in the woods. Now I've had people tell me
Speaker 3: that was just a coincidence. Okay, that was a pretty
Speaker 3: instant coincidence. That one surprised me. I did not expect that. Now.
Speaker 3: I'd had other people that I knew in the field
Speaker 3: tell me about stuff like this. I didn't discount it
Speaker 3: because I hadn't experienced it. There are so many people
Speaker 3: that discount things all the time just because I've never
Speaker 3: experienced that, so therefore it doesn't exist. But then the
Speaker 3: next thing that happened, I just thought to myself, thank you,
Speaker 3: and I kid you not in my head, the only
Speaker 3: thing I heard was go in peace, and that was
Speaker 3: just a weird. I wasn't thinking about that. I wasn't,
Speaker 3: So I went and I got back in the car
Speaker 3: and I drove away. I'm driving back up towards Olton, Illinois.
Speaker 3: That was my second research area was going to hit,
Speaker 3: and sure enough, that one was just really what it
Speaker 3: was deep. I got up there and I decided I'm
Speaker 3: going to try this again. That parked did the same thing,
Speaker 3: got out, didn't say a word. I just stood there
Speaker 3: and I thought to myself, if you're in there, could
Speaker 3: you knock for me. About thirty seconds later, I hear slashing.
Speaker 3: Somebody's almost not running but slogging. Through this water down below,
Speaker 3: and then there was a knock or maybe even a
Speaker 3: tongue clack. I'm not sure. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: They're like I can't believe this. So then I thought
Speaker 3: to myself, I'll ask a question right and see if
Speaker 3: I get a response to that. I thought to myself
Speaker 3: and not said what are you doing in there? It
Speaker 3: came back in my head. The only thing I could
Speaker 3: think of was catching frogs. I cannot explain those two instances.
Speaker 3: I haven't had another one since that, certainly not in Arizona,
Speaker 3: where I spend a lot of my time in the mountains.
Speaker 3: Certainly those solidified some of the other reports where I
Speaker 3: said I wouldn't say credibility, but certainly more of an
Speaker 3: interest in those other reports like that, I couldn't explain it.
Speaker 3: Further up the Illinois River, I have a cousin that
Speaker 3: has a farm up there. Their property has a really
Speaker 3: large bluff, probably almost a three hundred feet tall. It's
Speaker 3: the large bluff. I've gone horseback riding back in the
Speaker 3: past as a kid and everything. But I went up
Speaker 3: there because his mom, my mom's first cousin, was not
Speaker 3: doing very well. It was like my last opportunity to
Speaker 3: say by I went up there. I was staying in
Speaker 3: one of the cabins there in the morning, I was
Speaker 3: walking from that cabin back to the main house and
Speaker 3: walking along the trail. I looked up at the deep
Speaker 3: woods there on that property and going up the bluff.
Speaker 3: It was just a beautiful call morning, sunshining, not a
Speaker 3: cloud in the sky. I looked up that bluff and
Speaker 3: I thought to myself, I wonder if they're watching me
Speaker 3: right now. That's all I thought. As I thought that
Speaker 3: one single tree in the middle of all those trees shook.
Speaker 3: Thought to myself, good morning, I said, I guess you
Speaker 3: are watching. With that thought, that tree once again shook
Speaker 3: right there, just that single tree. Wasn't the wind blowing
Speaker 3: through there, just one tree shook. And another experience on
Speaker 3: that farm were one visited in the middle of the
Speaker 3: night at one of the cabins, which was interesting. I
Speaker 3: could hear it come up on the porch, tried the
Speaker 3: doorknob to get into the cabin, and then it walked
Speaker 3: around the backside and you see the shadow on the
Speaker 3: window which didn't have window curtains on it. As I
Speaker 3: was laying there pretending to be asleep, so I know
Speaker 3: they're definitely there as Illinois just loaded. I tell you.
Speaker 1: The woo or the high strangeness part of this is
Speaker 1: something that really keeps me up at night because I've
Speaker 1: always been in the flesh and blood camp. I think
Speaker 1: these things are some sort of relictominoid, some sort of ape,
Speaker 1: just like we are. But even my own personal experiences
Speaker 1: last summer, I had three encounters with these things in
Speaker 1: two days where I got to actually see them. Stay
Speaker 1: tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right
Speaker 1: back after these messages. During one of the night sightings
Speaker 1: that I had of this thing, where I was ten
Speaker 1: fifteen feet away from it, was these glowing white eyes.
Speaker 1: I've dismissed that so many times when people have told
Speaker 1: me that as some sort of misidentification or something else
Speaker 1: going on, but I saw it. It's bioluminescence. It is
Speaker 1: just that, in and of itself convinced me that even
Speaker 1: if these things are flesh and blood, there are some
Speaker 1: sort of superabilities that they have that we simply don't understand.
Speaker 1: Then the telepathy thing, I've talked to many people who
Speaker 1: have claimed to have had what's called mind speak, but
Speaker 1: it's telepathy. There's a telepathic communication with these things, just
Speaker 1: like the eyes. I used to dismiss that. I've talked
Speaker 1: about it a couple of times on the show in
Speaker 1: the past. There's a podcast out there called The Telepathy Tapes,
Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with Bigfoot. It's about
Speaker 1: a study into these non verbal or unreliably verbal autistic
Speaker 1: children and young adults who have a telepathic connection with
Speaker 1: either a parent, guardian, teacher, doctor, clinician. And it's one
Speaker 1: hundred percent real. There's no way you can listen to
Speaker 1: this because there's a PhD involve she's doing some studies
Speaker 1: on it now with these individuals, and it's clear there's
Speaker 1: a telepathic communication going on between them sometimes other non
Speaker 1: speaking autistic kids around the world. There's no doubt that
Speaker 1: it's real. So once I saw that and listen to
Speaker 1: that podcast, if it's real for them and these people
Speaker 1: who aren't autistic that they have these communications with, there's
Speaker 1: a two way telepathic communication going on in many cases,
Speaker 1: why can't it be real with sasquatch, it just makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. So I no longer discount that at all.
Speaker 1: I don't discount the majority of the things that people
Speaker 1: experience because first and foremost, they are their experiences. And secondly,
Speaker 1: just because I haven't experienced it myself, I can't dismiss
Speaker 1: it and say you didn't have that experience, because I
Speaker 1: believe it's a very real thing. How do you deal
Speaker 1: with that in your research? And I know you talk
Speaker 1: to other people who have had different experiences with these things,
Speaker 1: how do you reconcile that. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: a Flesh and Blood guy, but how do you deal
Speaker 1: with that as far as conducting your own research.
Speaker 3: I was in the Flesh and Blood camp for the
Speaker 3: longest time and I still am. I've seen odd flashes
Speaker 3: of light in the woods. I don't know what those were.
Speaker 3: I didn't see anything like I mean in and or
Speaker 3: out of a portal order or anything like that. They
Speaker 3: were probably within a quarter mile away where I'm on
Speaker 3: a higher ridge, and I'm like, what in the world
Speaker 3: is that. I know the areas I've been there, but
Speaker 3: I didn't see any of them. But I know Brown
Speaker 3: Mountain in western North Carolina, there's all kinds of flashes
Speaker 3: and stuff that occur in the woods there. I have
Speaker 3: no explanation for that. Can only recount what I've witnessed
Speaker 3: as far as your eye shine goes, having seen orange
Speaker 3: yellowish eyeshine that modulated a little bit is definitely by iluminescent,
Speaker 3: and it illuminated lease nearby. I wasn't like shining the
Speaker 3: light on them. I kind of discount people's reports where
Speaker 3: they're like I was shining my light and oh they
Speaker 3: reflect green or they reflect white because I was shining
Speaker 3: the light on them. No, I think they use it
Speaker 3: honestly for just silent communication if they're hunting. Just imagine
Speaker 3: if we could do that. Okay, you get on one
Speaker 3: end of the canyon, I'll get on the other end
Speaker 3: of the canyon and they're two deer coming your way. Whatever.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's some kind of communication that they
Speaker 3: can do with that, maybe even to scare us off.
Speaker 3: I know what happened, Like I said, on Long Island,
Speaker 3: there was all these ghost reports of red eyes in
Speaker 3: the woods, rocks appearing from nowhere. And I even talk
Speaker 3: to some of those people had that happen. They say, oh,
Speaker 3: it was a ghost, for sure, it was a demon.
Speaker 3: A demon did that. Okay, that's another story for another time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so given that demons could exist, right, But
Speaker 3: do they exist in those woods? There could be other
Speaker 3: explanations for that. Let's look into that. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to discount anybody's beliefs, just like you were saying. The
Speaker 3: wordest thing is, I know they understand English. If there
Speaker 3: is some level of telepathy and mind reading that goes
Speaker 3: into that, I think that may play in part to
Speaker 3: some understanding who they can trust in the woods and
Speaker 3: who they can't. If I'm walking through the woods thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, I'm going to blast one in the face
Speaker 3: before I get there, I'll get that forest demon guess
Speaker 3: what they're going the other way, and I might go
Speaker 3: to the same area and all of a sudden, Oh,
Speaker 3: they're right here. They're trying to communicate with me. The
Speaker 3: funny thing was, I used to get rocks thrown at
Speaker 3: me lot prior to twenty thirteen. This wasn't a sighting,
Speaker 3: but certainly unbelievable experience. It was actually a BFO expedition
Speaker 3: in Arizona, near where my research area is. I'd gotten
Speaker 3: there late, so by the time I got to the campsite,
Speaker 3: my tent was pitched right on the edge of the campsite.
Speaker 3: I was pretty much the furthest south in the campground area.
Speaker 3: I know some people think campground not a developed campsite.
Speaker 3: That night it got down to the mid twenties. In
Speaker 3: my tent, I had my air mattress which had a
Speaker 3: headboard that's inflatable. I had a pillow. I was trying
Speaker 3: to stay warm, but my face was freezing. My ears
Speaker 3: were falling off. It was bad. So I got my
Speaker 3: baseball cap on. I tost my baseball cap on with that,
Speaker 3: it still didn't help the ears. So I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I got an idea. I had a towel, pulled that
Speaker 3: towel out. I throw the towel over my face, so
Speaker 3: the brim of my hat is holding the towel off
Speaker 3: my face. Then I kind of left the sides open
Speaker 3: exhaust ports and that kept enough retained heat in there
Speaker 3: that my ears weren't freezing right. So I ended up
Speaker 3: falling back asleep. So for a little after three am
Speaker 3: somewhere in there. By the time I checked my watch,
Speaker 3: I was about three ten. But about three am I
Speaker 3: wake up because I felt weird. My head was up
Speaker 3: against the headboard and I had to tilt my head
Speaker 3: on the headboard of that air mattress in order to
Speaker 3: keep towel in place right and keep my head from
Speaker 3: turning and having the towel fall, So my head ended
Speaker 3: up being right up against the material of the tent.
Speaker 3: I'm laying there sleeping. I wake up. My shoulders are
Speaker 3: off the air mattress. My body's now bent like this,
Speaker 3: so my shoulders are off the mattress and my upper
Speaker 3: torso's in the air. As I'm waking up, that's the
Speaker 3: time I realized that the back of my head is cut.
Speaker 3: As I started turning my head, it lowered me down
Speaker 3: to the bed and then here dermal on the nylon
Speaker 3: of the tent as it released, and then it ran
Speaker 3: off by pedally up to the south. I have to
Speaker 3: tell you, though, after that, I woke up, and I
Speaker 3: don't think I went back to sleep the rest of
Speaker 3: the night. I was initially scared, but then I wasn't.
Speaker 3: That was honored, but I was just too full of
Speaker 3: adrenaline after that to go back to sleep. But after
Speaker 3: that point, though, I have not had one rock thrown
Speaker 3: at me. I can't explain that. I don't know, just
Speaker 3: because of a situation that i'd been in. But twelve
Speaker 3: years after that, not one rock when the first five
Speaker 3: years I had plenty of rocks costed me. I can't
Speaker 3: explain that it was weird thing, but there was disturbance
Speaker 3: in the forest litter from where it ran off, wasn't
Speaker 3: any real footprints. It was definitely a trackway you heading
Speaker 3: off to the south from my tent.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that keeps me coming
Speaker 1: back for more. The unanswered questions are why most of
Speaker 1: us are in this. Once you go down the rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: it just gets weirder and weirder. Carl, thank you so
Speaker 1: much are coming on and sharing all of your experiences.
Speaker 1: It has been an absolute blast, and I feel like
Speaker 1: there's probably more we didn't scratch the surface on well.
Speaker 1: I have to have you back at some point in
Speaker 1: time if you're willing to come back, man, But it
Speaker 1: has been an lader to have you on.
Speaker 3: Absolutely no. I really appreciate it. And like I said,
Speaker 3: I'm not doing any of this for notoriety and stuff.
Speaker 3: In fact, for the longest time, I just did my
Speaker 3: own thing. I documented things. I've got all this evidence footprints.
Speaker 3: It's just for me to understand. Everybody insisted I had
Speaker 3: to get photo evidence to find a body.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I just enjoy the interaction with them, especially when they
Speaker 3: come in close to camp. That's my favorite. I think
Speaker 3: that's where I learned the most.
Speaker 4: They say, you don't got to go, but you can't stay.
Speaker 5: Step step chid, this chid, that chime. Everything came right back,
Speaker 5: cry back for joy.
Speaker 4: For me, enjoy staying right.
Speaker 5: You come in right away. St says to the do
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