WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:06.200 Hey, work, what's going on? 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:07.440 Hey? 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:11.439 Well, yeah, I mean where we're live on our stream platforms, 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:16.559 and which obviously happened every wage and post recording will 5 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:17.079 be along on the. 6 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:23.640 Website, Yeah, for sure. And today we're talking about masterminds. 7 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:23.440 Which. 8 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.719 May not seem directly DevOps related, but it actually can 9 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:35.719 be a huge game changer in the success of your career. 10 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:41.399 But I can just say from personal experience that nine 11 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:46.159 hundred and ninety nine percent of all masterminds are absolute garbage. 12 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.520 So today we're going to talk about what makes a 13 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:52.159 good mastermind, how to find one or create your own, 14 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:54.320 and that kind of stuff. 15 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:54.920 Yeah. 16 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.000 No, I mean I'm super excited about this actually because 17 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:01.960 I've tried to being masterminds and i feel like I've 18 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:06.920 fallen into the ninety nine percent category of my experiences. 19 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:11.799 So I'm really interested in what you've done well in 20 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.879 this area and what that's actually looked like for sure. 21 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.480 So let's start with For anyone who may not be 22 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.120 familiar with the concept of a mastermind, I think it 23 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:29.640 originally started with that book whose title just absolutely disappeared 24 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.040 from my brain this very second. Oh no, no, thinking 25 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:37.040 go Rich from Napoleon Hill. I think the concept started there, 26 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.719 But the whole idea is to meet with a group 27 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:47.319 of people that have similar goals, maybe not the same goals, 28 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.760 but have similar goals as you, And the whole idea 29 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.640 is you talk through your ideas, your thoughts, what you've 30 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:59.920 been working on, and it's the sole responsibility of everyone 31 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.519 in that group to just absolutely call you out on 32 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:06.359 your bullshit, because most of the time, the reason we 33 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:10.639 fail to achieve our goals is because we make excuses, 34 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.360 and that's all they are. Like, if you want something 35 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.599 bad enough, there's not going to be an excuse. But 36 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:21.520 we all fall into those traps of of making excuses 37 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:24.039 of why we're not going to continue to pursue this goal. 38 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.719 It turned out to be harder than we thought. And 39 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:31.680 so the objective of the mastermind is to call your 40 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:36.120 fellow group members out whenever you catch them doing that 41 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:37.319 and hold them accountable. 42 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:38.960 And you have to do the same. 43 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:41.879 No, I mean, I really like. 44 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:45.039 The idea on a concept. There really is something I 45 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.039 was reading a study not too long ago about even 46 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.240 if we know what to do in an emergency, something 47 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.240 triggers in our brain where we fall back into some 48 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.639 sort of native state and execute the wrong thing, even 49 00:02:57.639 --> 00:02:59.120 though in hindsight we know what the right thing to 50 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.280 do is. Being prepared upfront, we know what the right 51 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.800 thing to do is. So having an outside perspective, being 52 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.240 able to just completely share on every idea that we 53 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:10.479 have or whatsever most critical to us, it gets a 54 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:13.599 lot of I think there's a huge strategy of success 55 00:03:13.719 --> 00:03:14.159 behind that. 56 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:17.960 Yeah, and it's it is. It's hard to do. 57 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.000 It's hard to be in a good mastermind. But this 58 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.680 is completely off topic, but what you say just made 59 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.240 me think of do you ever get on an airplane 60 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.719 and walk past the exit room and look at the 61 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.560 people in the exit room and go, there's no way 62 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:33.680 that mfor is going to be able to open that 63 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:34.639 door if they have to. 64 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.759 Well, I'm not I'm not particularly known for my good 65 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:43.240 evaluations like on surface level of people. But I assume 66 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:47.360 that the flight staff are doing that check. And I 67 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:50.280 do know that they ask for a verbal que you know, 68 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:52.879 are you okay doing this, and they have to say yes. 69 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.080 But we do know that even a verbal agreement is 70 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:01.680 really passive, and you almost want them to repeat what 71 00:04:01.719 --> 00:04:04.280 they're going to do in the event. 72 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:05.800 Of an emergency. Because there was a video that I 73 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:07.080 actually came out not too long. 74 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.240 Ago from a plane with a fire on it, I believe, 75 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:14.159 and the passengers were all going back and getting their stuff, 76 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.439 and it took quite a long time for a nice. 77 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:18.319 Who actually occurs. 78 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:23.199 So yeah, I do think about that unfortunately, So thanks 79 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:24.360 for reminding me of that fear. 80 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:25.600 Yeah, my pleasure. 81 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.279 When I was in the Navy, that was what a 82 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:32.879 majority of the time we spent just training and rehearsing 83 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:38.199 for disasters because it was a known fact that when 84 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:43.279 the disaster happened, you fall down to that primal monkey 85 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:48.199 mind level, and so to be successful in mitigating the disaster, 86 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:51.399 it just has to be ingrained muscle memory where no 87 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:54.600 thought process is required. So we just drilled on it 88 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:55.480 over and over and over. 89 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.120 It's really interesting that you bring up the muscle memory 90 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.600 because the Olympic are on and there is this aspect 91 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.839 of you aren't in the moment thinking about how to 92 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:09.240 execute effectively. You are always going You don't have time 93 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.879 to respond realistically, you just have to memorize exactly the 94 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:15.959 routine that you're going to do and execute on it. 95 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:21.319 But talking about your Navy experiences, I'm wondering, did you 96 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.279 have the benefit of some sort of group to prepare 97 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.879 for those circumstances or just regular run of the mill 98 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.720 activities that you have to do, like people that maybe 99 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.240 not necessarily directly in your area that could give you 100 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.120 feedback on But is there a group aspect to that, 101 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.199 you know, thinking about the mastermind topic. 102 00:05:42.160 --> 00:05:47.720 Yeah, in the military, there is a feedback mechanism, usually 103 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:51.439 in the form of some senior officers screaming at the 104 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:52.800 top of their lungs. 105 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:57.240 What the hell is wrong with you boy? So feedback 106 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:58.959 group was definitely incorporated there. 107 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:01.800 I have to wonder like, did you were you ever 108 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:02.839 on the receiving end of that? 109 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:04.560 Oh? Many many times? 110 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:09.759 Yeah, I can tell stories, but they're way off topic 111 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.759 from the mastermind. 112 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:15.160 So the group is super important, And like who's in 113 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:15.519 your group? 114 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:17.839 And I feel like there's tons of communities out there 115 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.959 that are like on Slack or discord that you can 116 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.079 join and maybe ask questions about what you're doing or 117 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.279 try to get some feedback, but it doesn't feel like 118 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.920 other people necessarily, Like there may be some generous souls 119 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:32.639 out there that will review your product or wherever you're at, 120 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.800 your technology stack, your current issue, but they're not that great. 121 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.439 So if we know that ninety nine percent of the 122 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:44.439 masterminds you know are not fantastic, aren't. 123 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:45.199 Able to help us. 124 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.879 How do we even get into a situation where we 125 00:06:47.920 --> 00:06:52.399 can find people that can provide insight into what we're 126 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.240 working on and give recommendations. 127 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:57.560 Yeah, for sure, it's a curated experience, you know, like 128 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:02.360 a lot of the online mastermind into type communities. It's 129 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:05.839 the equivalent of posting your question on stack overflow, you know, 130 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.000 best of luck and your answer that you get if 131 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:11.759 you get one at all. But the thing that makes 132 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:16.800 a mastermind really successful is curating a personal relationship with 133 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:19.399 a small group of people over time. 134 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:21.079 Because it has to be. 135 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.879 A small group number one, because we all have limited 136 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:31.839 mental capacity to retain amounts of information. But you also 137 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.800 you can't form deep, meaningful bonds with a large group 138 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:36.279 of people. 139 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:37.720 So just for that. 140 00:07:37.759 --> 00:07:40.920 Reason, you want it to be a small group of people. 141 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.360 And then it has to be personal because to be 142 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.240 truly successful in this, like, you're going to be talking 143 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:51.920 about some stuff that is very uncomfortable at some point 144 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:56.360 in your career, and you have to have a level 145 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.279 of confidence in the group that you can be open 146 00:08:01.319 --> 00:08:02.879 and honest with that because if you aren't able to 147 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:05.920 be open and honest. You're not going to disclose all 148 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:09.560 the relevant factors that they need to help you make 149 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:13.959 the right decision. And I've been in one group for 150 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:19.360 it's been ten years now, and it's Yeah, but the 151 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.920 people in that group, like, there's no doubt in my mind, 152 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:27.480 every single one of us would lie to a grand 153 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:30.160 jury to protect the others in it. That's how tight 154 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:32.559 the trust level is in there. And that's the only 155 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:33.879 reason it's been successful. 156 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:43.639 I think it's a good analogy for how close of 157 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.519 a relationship you've formed with these other people. Do you 158 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.919 find it like bi weekly bi monthly when you're meeting 159 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:54.799 everyone sort of knows where you're at, like what's going, 160 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:57.799 what's current on in your professional life, And when you 161 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.279 bring up a new idea, they just know where it's 162 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:04.279 next or is it sharing your current situation and bringing 163 00:09:04.279 --> 00:09:07.480 in concrete questions or stat is in the way they 164 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:09.279 don't need to sort of pay attention to know everything 165 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:09.639 about you. 166 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.200 Yeah, it's a little bit of both. 167 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.039 We meet bi weekly, and the bi weekly meeting is 168 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:21.200 organized so that each individual has a certain a fixed 169 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:25.679 amount of time and a certain list of things that 170 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:29.159 you have to communicate, you know, it's almost like a 171 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.919 like a gram type or agile type meeting. Here's what 172 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.840 I've been working on, Here's what I'm planning on doing next, 173 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:39.639 Here's where I'm having problems. 174 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.799 But then there's also we have a private chat. 175 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:51.480 Channel that we use so that we post messages in 176 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:57.279 between those and do longer form conversations in there. And 177 00:09:57.320 --> 00:10:03.240 then there's also a third option there if something happens 178 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.759 in your life that you either need immediate feedback or 179 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.720 you need more time than what's allowed in the bi 180 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:15.200 weekly meetings, will do ad hoc meetings specific to that topic. 181 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:18.399 Is there just for contexts? 182 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:20.519 Would you be willing to share maybe one of your 183 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.360 recent either realizations or what you were what we had 184 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.159 brought up in the meeting, just as far, you know, 185 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:28.519 for people that maybe haven't been in a Mastermind before. 186 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.039 Yeah, for sure. 187 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.960 The range of topics is not solely focused on careers. 188 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:39.000 A lot of it has been you know, hey, I'm 189 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.159 thinking about taking this new job, I'm struggling with this 190 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.919 at work, thinking about launching this new business. What do 191 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:48.399 you guys think about it? But it's been personal stuff too, 192 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:53.039 like whenever, whenever my mom passed away earlier this year. 193 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:56.759 You know, I was I made a lot of bad 194 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.399 decisions after that and fell off the train, and they 195 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.039 were are super helpful and instrumental in calling me out 196 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.399 and getting me back on track. Some of the members 197 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:11.399 there have been through divorces and those were extensive topics 198 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.000 with getting that done. 199 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.399 Wow, I mean it sounds you know, it sounds like 200 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.320 it's more than just the ideas having a dedicated support network, 201 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.799 not just like I know people talk about it, you know, 202 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.519 how do I deal with certain personal situations? 203 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:27.799 Where do I go? Who can I talk about that? 204 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.519 But actually having gone. 205 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.960 Out and found the appropriate group, you know, we're calling 206 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.120 them a mastermind group, but you know, by any name, 207 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.039 really having a dedicated a team of people to support 208 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.840 each other, Like I can see how valuable that is. 209 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:42.519 Yeah, for sure. 210 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:45.120 I think that's probably one of the big misconceptions around 211 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:50.360 masterminds as we think it's career or business oriented, and 212 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:55.799 it is because that consumes a large part of our life. 213 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.679 But you know, if you're dealing with the passing of 214 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.639 a family member or a divorce or something in your 215 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:06.919 personal life, that's going to affect your professional life as well. 216 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:08.519 So it's in scope. 217 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.840 Yeah, No, I totally totally got that. I feel like, 218 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:15.840 you know, maybe you skipped over this. It's so it 219 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.000 must be so difficult to have found this group of 220 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:21.679 people that you've been with for ten years now, How 221 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:23.360 did that even come to exist? 222 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.559 Yeah, I responded to a tweet. 223 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:30.240 No. 224 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:33.039 One of the one of my friends sent out a 225 00:12:33.039 --> 00:12:34.919 Actually this is how we met. He sent out a 226 00:12:34.960 --> 00:12:38.000 tweet and said, hey, I'm thinking about starting a mastermind. 227 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.519 Anyone who's interested let me know. And I had read, 228 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:44.080 you know, Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich and was 229 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:47.360 familiar with the concept and had tried at that point 230 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.720 a couple of online masterminds, and. 231 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.080 I tried like some. 232 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.200 Subscription based mastermind groups where you actually pay to be 233 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.039 in there. Pro tip don't ever do that, I know, right, 234 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:04.639 And so I was like, yeah, we'll try it, you know. 235 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:05.879 And it really was. 236 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:09.639 Awkward at first, you know, and it was very at first. 237 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.759 It was you know, totally focused on things that you 238 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.320 would only say in public, like you know, oh, here's 239 00:13:16.320 --> 00:13:18.440 what I'm working on at work, or hey, I'm thinking 240 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.440 about launching this product, you know, and things like that. 241 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:25.320 But then as we as we got to know each 242 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.559 other better and became closer over the years. That's whenever 243 00:13:29.559 --> 00:13:34.519 things really started to take this whole group to a 244 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:38.799 next level and make it something that I just can't 245 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.799 imagine being at this stage in my life without that group. 246 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:44.440 Yeah, I mean I know. 247 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:48.879 Now it's actually become a more common topic to find 248 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:51.759 your job. Group I think is now a thing if 249 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.360 you're searching for a career and some other people are too, 250 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.480 you can bounce ideas off of them and it's more 251 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:57.440 focused in that way. 252 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:58.960 But I feel like it's sort of. 253 00:13:58.919 --> 00:14:01.799 Limited and people aren't changing their careers or their jobs 254 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.080 so frequently, so having the context already of where you're 255 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:08.759 at can be I think super helpful there. 256 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:12.879 Yeah, for sure, Like the long term, being with the 257 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:18.559 same group for a long time is helpful because just 258 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.519 to use myself as an example, like, they know I 259 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.320 will jump on a shiny object and chase it all 260 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.759 day long and then drop it and walk away from it, 261 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:31.720 and so they're great. Whenever I come up with something, 262 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:35.159 they're like, nah, dude, we've seen this before. We know 263 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:37.919 exactly where this is going. Go back to what you're 264 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.639 supposed to be doing and quit fucking around. 265 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.759 I think we have a new alias for you for 266 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:45.600 the coming episodes. It will be Will Colden Retriever button. 267 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:52.360 Right, a ball, you get a ball. I just read this. 268 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:57.000 Actually he mentioned it Napoleon Hill in Think and Grow, 269 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.120 but I don't know if this is true. Google says 270 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:03.240 it was originally coin in the Law of Success, which 271 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.879 is I mean more so. There's lots of books dedicated 272 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:08.480 to this topic realistically, and I think, well, we see 273 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.200 them in some sort of form. I think in the 274 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:13.840 professional world we even see things like guilds that pop up, 275 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.559 or mentorship groups or you know, a buddy system or whatever. 276 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.480 But I feel like really having an intentional aspect behind 277 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.200 it is something so totally lost. I probably worked in 278 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.600 tech for ten years before this concept even came up 279 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.039 to me as something that could be done, and that 280 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:32.440 is really surprising. 281 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:33.039 Honestly. 282 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:40.159 Yeah, I think about that a lot as I get older. 283 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:44.279 Well not I am old, let's just be realistic on that. 284 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.840 But anyway, like, I feel like somewhere in the last 285 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:53.519 few generations, we lost a skill set as humans that 286 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:57.200 we had for tens of thousands of years. You know, 287 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:02.399 of sitting around the campfire with the trialible elders, you know, 288 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:07.440 teaching the younger people in the group what they learned 289 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.399 and how to avoid those mistakes. And I feel like 290 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.159 somewhere in the last couple of generations we've lost that. 291 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.600 And I think that's where the mastermind is helpful, as 292 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:24.960 it's trying to like reconnect that storytelling and close knit 293 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.120 group process. 294 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:28.279 That's interesting. 295 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:33.159 So there's a psychological or sociological impact from our own 296 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:36.279 evolution that actually drives the success of this sort of. 297 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:42.200 Group collaboration that by nature we're not focused in. 298 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:44.080 Because I mean, I think you're right, because there's also 299 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:46.840 something at the family level. I mean, certain culture is 300 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.000 obviously focused more on that than others. 301 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:51.600 Being an American and. 302 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.799 I believe you are too, I know that's super underplayed. 303 00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:58.360 I feel like depending on where your roots are from, 304 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:02.919 I don't discusslenging even business problems with my immediate family 305 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:06.319 is not the sort of thing. And if I was 306 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.680 looking for a new job, I can't really ask them. 307 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:11.960 I mean, they may have some high level feedback, but 308 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:15.559 like what my industry is like was never something that 309 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.240 they would be able to really understand. 310 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:20.119 I remember when I was in high school, my brother. 311 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.039 Would ask me frequently, does that make a lot of money, 312 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:28.720 and I know after many years that that's not the 313 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:32.680 thing he cares about. But it's very hard to describe 314 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.319 your situation to someone that is in a completely different 315 00:17:35.319 --> 00:17:39.279 field with completely different challenges. So finding those people that 316 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:42.960 you can actually work with on an ongoing way is 317 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.160 I feel like huge can be a huge win. 318 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:47.839 Yeah, for sure. 319 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:54.400 Like I think the quality of advice is directly proportional to. 320 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:57.839 The context that the person giving. 321 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:02.119 That advice has, you know, like, I'm not going to 322 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:07.839 go ask my family doctor whether he thinks that terror 323 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:11.039 form is just completely out the door because of their 324 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.359 changes to their open source licensing model. 325 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.599 I mean now, and I wonder, you know, it could 326 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.359 be a secret terror form lover. 327 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:24.720 That you're missing out on that opportunity. Really, you know, 328 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.400 maybe he's been thinking about leaving medicine and going over 329 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.680 to software technology for the last ten years and never 330 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:34.400 really got that opportunity and need someone to you know, 331 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:35.000 push them. 332 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:41.079 In that direction, right, can't rule it out, you know. 333 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.440 The thing I'm thinking about is, since it's so late 334 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.640 in our careers, that at least for me to learn 335 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.319 about this, Like, why is it this way? 336 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:51.559 You mentioned that we may. 337 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:54.039 Have lost in the last few generations as a society. 338 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.319 But I'm like looking at the education system even all 339 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:01.039 the way through university, Like you're very focused on as 340 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:04.960 an individual you solve problems, especially in academia, right, you 341 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:09.480 know there's concrete questions with definitive objective answers or at 342 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.240 least a grading system in place. And I remember some 343 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.319 of my high school teachers would say to certain study 344 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:19.359 group clicks, you won't get accepted to a university as 345 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.440 a team. You go as individuals, and you won't get 346 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.599 hired as a team to jobs. I feel like from 347 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:29.319 working professionally for a lot of years and also thinking 348 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.200 about masterminds and how groups and our networks can help 349 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:37.640 us in our individual careers specific problems professionally personally, it 350 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.240 just seems like that's wrong advice, Like realistically learning how 351 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.440 to operate as a team in some capacity not necessarily 352 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.480 tied to your job seems like a huge miss for 353 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.640 our education systems across. 354 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:51.920 The world, Oh for sure. 355 00:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.799 Like I've spent a majority of my career in early 356 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:01.720 stage tech startups, and it's a thing one hundred percent. 357 00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:05.039 You know you'll have the founder who starts the company 358 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:08.400 and then they hire a tech person and oh, we 359 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.119 need another tech person. Well, guess where that hire is 360 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.039 coming from, somebody that the first tech guy knows. And 361 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.720 even at the advisory level, you know, oh, we need 362 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:24.279 an advisor on the board who has financial experience with 363 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:28.640 SaaS based applications. Oh, hey, my buddy does that? Oh 364 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:32.799 your buddy, how convenient? You know, because it's because and 365 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.839 I don't think that's a bad thing. It's a limiting 366 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:40.240 thing for sure, because unless your buddies with someone your 367 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:41.480 your options are limited. 368 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:45.599 But it is I think it is a good. 369 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:49.359 Thing for bringing in known expertise to help you succeed. 370 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.440 I mean, there is there is a just recently, I 371 00:20:53.440 --> 00:20:57.160 think we've learned of concerning bias where obviously you you're 372 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.640 in network is people who are similar to you, and 373 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.160 who you hire through interview process, of course, is bias 374 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.559 towards similar thinking. But yeah, I mean the startups obviously 375 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.519 go the route you're pulling people from your network can't 376 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.119 be helped there and you would just be at a 377 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:15.759 loss without that. You do need someone to fill that spot, 378 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.200 and it's so much easier to evaluate someone you know 379 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.799 than random people from the Internet, of which ninety nine 380 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.400 percent of them are resumes that were completed by AI bought. 381 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:30.319 Now right, can you imagine what you would have to 382 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.480 go through if you posted a job ad for like 383 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.799 a CTO or an advisory board member on indeed dot com? 384 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.119 You know, I don't actually have to imagine. So one 385 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:43.680 of the groups I'm in actually talks about this some 386 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:45.839 of the challenges where they have a new position open, 387 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.880 even at the executive level, and how to find people. 388 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:50.680 And obviously the challenge is. 389 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.759 The higher up you go, the more concern you are 390 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.200 that they're able to maybe be effective in that role, 391 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:57.880 and so you may be more likely to pull from 392 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.240 your network, which is incredibly limiting. So focusing on having 393 00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:08.039 the appropriate network is critical for success. But even at 394 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:13.720 the lead engineer, architectural level, engineering manager, et cetera, you 395 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:16.839 have a spot open and you'll have thousands of resumes 396 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:19.319 coming in for people that are, according to the resume, 397 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.200 are qualified. And that's a non trivial problem to solve. 398 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:27.519 There's some there's some statistical models that say the thirty 399 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:30.680 seven percent rule is what applies? 400 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:33.839 What's the thirty seven percent rule? 401 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.279