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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the

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Our guest today is Scott Walter, president of the Capital

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Research Center. We discuss the Government to Watchdog's new report

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exposing how extremist ideological movements are exploiting America's homelessness crisis.

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This one hundred and thirteen page report by Capital Research

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Center in cooperation with the Discovery Institute, is a deep

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dive into a serious issue, radicalizing an area that well,

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a lot of people might least suspect. Scott, thank you

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as always for joining us on this edition of the

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Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is a deep dive report. I mean, you folks,

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you dug into financial data, legal records. This is a

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lot of original research. Let's just put it simply. This

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is a lot of work to get into the myriad

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leftist organizations, Marxist organizations that are co opting homelessness advocacy

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for their political ends. If you wouldn't mind, How did

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this come about and what did your research find?

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Speaker 2: Well, the discovery is gets the credit really because they

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are They are one of the top places and have

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been for years in studying what their former staffer and

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all Star Christopher Ruffo describes as the homelessness industrial complex.

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So they have dug into that and also into the

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good and bad policies for dealing with the homeless for years.

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But one of the things they have been noticing in

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recently is how radicalized so many of the groups active

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in homeless advocacy have become. And so they came to

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us at Capital Research Center. Our specialty is precisely left

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wing nonprofits causing problems, so we collaborated on a report

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that deals with both policy issues but also really describes

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in detail the whole landscape of groups fighting in this

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area and how they've gotten radicalized many of them, and

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how in general they've just drifted leftward into you know,

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more and more problematic territory.

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Speaker 1: You and I have been in this business for a

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time investigating organizations like this. So I don't think either

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neither of us is surprised when we hear that a nonprofit,

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nonpartisan organization is engaged in extreme political activity or advocacy

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coming from an extreme point of view. That said, these

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are the same people that keep telling us over and

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over again that you know that that conservatives are terrible

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because they're not dealing with the homelessness crisis impacting our cities.

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And yet these cities have been taken over, as you report,

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by these so called non partisan organizations that have deep,

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deep ties to far left movements and are indeed themselves

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vocal players in the far left.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, In fact, I love you know, not good media

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outlets like the Federalist, but bad media outlets will literally

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tell you something like, well, I mean a C three

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that groups of C three, so it has to be

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nonpartisan and non political. Right, So it's yes, it's thank

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you for reporting on this honestly, and shame on all

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those who will not report on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing that the idea is to assist the

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homeless from moving from being homeless, if that is possible.

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you can do about that. But for those who are

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out of their homes, the idea is to find policies

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that effectively work. These organizations don't seem to be at

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least as interested in that in the outcome as they

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are in terms of using the homeless and using the

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homelessness issue for their political ends. Give us a few

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examples of the organizations that you've tracked, and I know

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there are dozens of them here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the report literally goes through dozens, even hundreds.

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There's so many of them, some of the really radical ones.

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And again I'm not saying every homeless group is as

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bad as these, but one of them is the Western

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Regional Advocacy Project that the acronym is wrap like uh

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like gift rap, but they're no gift surprise, surprise. The

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TIDES network has helped to send money there. And these

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are just really your garden variety looney lefties. I mean

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the they hate police. They push for the utter abolishment

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of police, uh, which is you know what what what

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would we guess that what percentage of Americans is in

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favor of that five percent? Eight percent? Maybe mar so

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so in which, by the way, that means we need

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to we need to be emphatic these the people who

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support them, the people who are in the groups like that,

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and the people who run cover for them, like the

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major media. Uh, those folks are democracy suppressors because America

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does not want that sort of thing at all, and

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yet that's what these people are pushing. By the way,

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they this that same group rap Adores Asada Shakur, who

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recently went to her reward people. You have to be

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of a certain age to remember, but she was convicted

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of helping kill kill cops, not just abolish the police,

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kill cops. She was sprung from prison by fellow radicals

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and spent the rest of her life in that bastion

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of liberation known as Cuba. So and these folks are

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you know, but she's a hero to these folks. The

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Autonomous Tenants Union Network is another really radical one. One

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of the things that the port makes clear is, you know,

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if you're a sufficiently crazed radical, you are for every

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lefty thing there is, right. So, yes, they care about homelessness,

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but you know what, they also care about Palestine, and

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they think it's swell that the Palestinians are killing lots

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of Jews, and or as I said, they want to

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you know, just abolish the police, another popular thing, all

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these different nuttinesses, they endorse them all.

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Speaker 1: I would say that, you know, there are many many

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people in this country who are concerned about the homeless

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problem and they really legitimately want to help to do something.

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but they're doing so under false pretenses or maybe sometimes

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quite frankly, it's ignorance. They're not they're not looking in.

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know network, as well as others in the leftist movement.

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But I would imagine there are people who hate the

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whole Free Palestine movement from the river to the sea,

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you know, the idea that is really behind that, which

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is the annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people. They

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wouldn't be in favor of that. But they think about

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the work, or they just know about the work that

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the groups that you're mentioning claim to be doing in

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homelessness advocacy. Are they effective at all in what they

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claim to be doing?

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Speaker 2: Well? First of all, thanks for using the word advocacy,

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because you know, if you genuinely care about the homeless,

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then direct services to the homeless people should be a

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higher priority for you than advocacy, right, And that's what

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as you say, people will donate to groups, or people

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will support public policies that in government funding in this area.

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But what the huge majority of Americans assume that all

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means is actually helping people. Right, Let me help you

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get off the substance that has enslaved you. Let me

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help you get mental health care if you have serious

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mental health issues. Right, that's what people want. But these

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groups are ever more into advocacy and also litigation, right,

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suing and screaming. How's that for a shorthand? And you

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know that's the ability of that to help the hardcore

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homeless is very limited, especially when what they're advocating for

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and litigating for is often things like oh, we can't

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absolutely can't have anything that is going to get take

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a single person off the streets, because of course, lord,

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you know, not only do these people so not only

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do these the the radicals, not only do they not

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care about actually helping homeless people, but they certainly don't

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care about helping the small business owner who doesn't get

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a lot of traffic to his store when there's human

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feces surrounding his front door. Maybe somebody passed out in

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Speaker 1: If you're in a city that needs maps, excrement maps

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to tell you where the homeless have defecated, and you're

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operating as a business in that city, you can understand

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the frustration. We've seen that in San Francisco, We've seen

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that in Portland, We've seen that in major cities up

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and down the way, in no small part, in fact,

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in large part, because these advocacy groups, these radical advuracy groups,

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are tied in with the Democrat liberal administrations in these cities.

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How deep does that go? According to your report.

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Speaker 2: Well, this, right, that's one of the central problems with

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the advocacy as opposed to actually serving people issues. Right,

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If you are a factor in local politics, local politicians

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are going to glom onto you no matter what. Now

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one presumes in most cases this is you know, both

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sides are very happy to be attached to each other.

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But even if you weren't trying to do that, as

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soon as you become a political force, local politicians are

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absolutely they're going to be trying to co opt you

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or work with you get your support for their next reelection.

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And again, who's not being cared about in this folks

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suffering on the streets or ordinary citizens suffering from the

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chaos of their city streets.

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Speaker 1: It is the chaos too, because we mention the disorder

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that's involved, obviously the homelessness crisis, the impact on businesses,

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but the impact on crime is something that is major.

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It's so significant, and yet we're not dealing with that.

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And certainly, based on what I'm reading in your report,

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these advocacy groups aren't dealing with that.

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Speaker 2: No, they're not in right, but that, for what it's worth,

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by the way, that is another cruel bit of evidence

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of how they harm the homeless people they claim to

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be speaking in favor of. You know, I go regularly

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to mass at the cathedral in DC, and I know

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the guys who've you been hanging around the cathedral for years,

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and guess what, when they're on the street, they are

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often victims of crime. Now, it's so despicable, right, you think,

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But if you're a criminal, right, you don't you are

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a despicable person. And a homeless guy is about as

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helpless as it gets. Right, So I'm going to go

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steal even what little, tiny pittance of the things that

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he has. So by keeping these folks on the street,

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which is effectively what the left is doing, they are

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not just failing to get them the kind of help

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that they need, but they're also letting them be victims

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of crime day after day after day.

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Speaker 1: And the other part of that is that the victims

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of crime are victims of you know, mental illness that is,

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you know, so endemic in the homeless community. There is

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a great deal of mental illness. Not all of it

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is violent, but there is uh violent mental illness involved

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in this, and we're seeing and we have seen a

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growth in those crimes committed by homeless people who should

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be in a different place, certainly for the safety of

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the public and the safety of themselves.

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Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right. That is one of the that's

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one of the most infuriating things because again, you know

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what proportion of Americans think that a schizophrenic problems will

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be solved by giving him, you know, some government funded housing. Yeah,

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you stick him in there, and boy, that's schizophrenia just gone.

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Overwhelming majorities of our democracy know that that's crazy and wrong,

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and yet in most of our major cities that is

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officially the policy. And you're a bigot and a monster

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if you don't sign up in agreement.

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Speaker 1: That is a huge problem impacting how we look at

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this issue, the demonization from the left and anybody who

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a lot of these major street protests, the no Kings

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operations that of course we read all about over the

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past weekend, when a portion of the population decided to

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go out into the streets and celebrate, in part the

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assassination of conservative leader. Beyond that, we have seen these

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organizations involved in that leftisc movement, have we not, And

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correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they enlisting some

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homeless people in this cause as well?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, the left, the radical left, is always trying

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to just get people out into the streets over whatever

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the issue may be. They don't care what the issue is.

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issue is never the issue, The issue is always the revolution.

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So it could be COVID or George Floyd or Michael

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Brown or homelessness or ice, doesn't matter. Just get people

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in the streets, and you know they're happy to exploit

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the homeless in all of those places. A lot of

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the folks you see, you know, at a glance you

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can tell, like, wow, look at the face on that person.

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That person's not mentally healthy, right. A lot of their

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most reliable protesters have mental health issues. So the schizophrenic

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homeless guy, hey, he fits right in.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing to me because again, these are the

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organizations that are claiming they are all about helping the homeless. Really, ultimately,

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in these sorts of cases the no Kings, present protest

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and others that we've seen over the last nine months,

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in particular in this country, they're taking they're clearly taking

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advantage of the people that they claim they're trying to help. Unfortunately,

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that is a story that is not told very often

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in the usual mainstream, so called mainstream media of the

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accomplist media.

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Speaker 2: I know you're right, and and remember, for the radical left,

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the homeless are especially valuable because the essence of the

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radicalism in its creed is that America is a horrible country.

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That's why she needs to be torn down, and radical

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transformation has to happen, revolution, whatever term you like. And

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the value for that creed of the homeless is to

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be able to point to the people suffering on the

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streets and say, see what a horrible country is this is.

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That's why that person's suffering on the street. And of

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course the fact that like, well, you know, his schizophrenia,

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this guy's schizophrenia might have something to do with it,

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and that woman's fentyl addiction might have something to do

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with her. You know, I'm not sure that it's America

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that gave her a fentel addition addiction, But yes, they

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want to be able to show that chaos, disorder, and

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suffering as alleged evidence for the awfulness of America.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer and

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Newman chants upon a petticab or rickshaw and they decide

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that the best employees for their business are the homeless

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because they're already there and they know their way around

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the streets. That is what.

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Speaker 2: That is what.

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Speaker 1: This whole enlistment of homeless in radical left causes and

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demonstrations reminds me of. It's it's just it's amazing, although

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it shouldn't be that surprising because that's what the radical

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left has done for a long time. It seems like

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they're picking up the pace in this area, are they not?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I think I think that's true. And you know, obviously

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we haven't talked about the Ice riots as well, which

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again political talk about political violence. You know, cops have

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been shot. It's the same as again, it's the same thing.

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The issue is never the issue, The issue is always

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the revolution.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, our guest today is Scott Walter, president of Capital

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Research Center. The Capital Research Center along with in cooperation

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with The Discovery Institute has a great new deep dive

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one hundred and thirteen page report. It is called Infiltrated,

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the Ideological Capture of Homelessness Advocacy, and they have, you know,

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they've really gone into researching these organizations that claim to

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be helping the homeless when actually they are using the

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homeless not just for the issues the leftist issues that

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they're trying and all kinds of leftist issues they're trying

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to promote, but actually, as we just noted, truly using

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the homeless for their ends. The folks have gone into

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the numbers here, we're talking about billions of dollars in

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taxpayer dollars and philanthropic grants on all of this sort

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of stuff. How much have you been able to track

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going into these leftist so called nonpartisan organizations.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you say, the numbers reach into the billions,

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and those are the two big sources, the big philanthropy

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and big government. And so that's another reason for people

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to care about this. Your tax dollars have gone into

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have gone into these groups that are doing so much

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harm and preventing preventing progress. Right. The report looks at

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the grant's past case. This is a town in Oregon

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where they passed an ordinance again democratically, right, the actual

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democratic majority of the place wants not to have encampments

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of the homeless and public, and they were sued in

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over seven hundred homeless groups. We're in on the law

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you know, we're boosting the lawsuit to try to stop

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this perfectly rational, this perfectly rational policy.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you mentioned it before,

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this is not democracy. This is not what the vast

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majority of Americans want, and a lot of Americans simply

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want to help the homeless. But again, we have this

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situation where we have, you know, these leftist groups fighting

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for what he is not in the interest of the

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general public.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's that's absolutely right, and on the interest

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of those they claim to be speaking for, right, but

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on the left. That's so that's so clear. Uh. You know,

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the groups that claim to speak for women have not

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made women's lives better. The groups that claim to speak

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for ethnic groups or black folks for the rest, they

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are not actually causing those folks to have better lives.

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Speaker 1: Are any Have any of these organizations been held accountable

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for their conduct and for what they're doing. You know,

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I think about Stacy Abrams in her new Georgia project.

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You know, the Georgia Ethics Commission earlier this year found

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that basically that that Stacy Abrams founded organization was set

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up to help Stacy Abram get elected as governor of

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Georgia failed on both occasions, but they paid. I think

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it was the highest fine for abusing election law campaign

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finance law in the history not only of Georgia, but

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I think this country. And that's what this reminds me of.

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There seems like, according to what you folks, have found,

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lots of abuses of taxpayer, taxpayers in general, community interest

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and the interest of the homeless in general.

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Speaker 2: No, no, you're right. The report has pages and pages

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where we provide so you can see. I mean, it's

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not happy reading, but can show you the government grants

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going into so many of these folks and for how much.

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And again I don't say that there are no people

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in nonprofits who with a mission to serve the homeless.

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You know, there are people in there who are genuinely

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trying to help homeless people. But again, the left, it's

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it's such a temptation to the left to abuse all

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of this that they can't resist it, and over time

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these groups have drifted ever more leftward until now you

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even have you know, violent radical groups getting mixed up

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in this.

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Speaker 1: Well you mentioned it before, how much of this homelessness

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advocacy is really just the pretense for the sort of

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violence we've seen against federal agents like the attack on

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ICE agents on a regular basis. But I'm thinking about,

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you know, the the violence in Texas where the radical

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was was shooting at the ICE agents but ended up

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killing to ilegal immigrants in custody. Are these some of

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these groups connected with that violent arm that we are

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seeing more and more of in this country.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's some group connections. And especially you have to

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understand the way that activists themselves work, right, not all,

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certainly not all activists are violent, but the activists that

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are the most violent, they typically have day jobs, right,

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They typically will will do other things, and in many

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cases they will be members of local groups that are

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not themselves so violent, or at least not publicly and

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explicitly so violent, but they'll have some staff members who

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are that way. And it's and by the way, it's

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always been this way. If you think back to the sixties, right,

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Students for Democratic Society was not itself out there committing

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you know, lots of violence, and it was the largish group,

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but there was a splinter group within it, the weather

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underground they were building bombs and try and otherwise trying

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to kill people. So, you know, the a group that

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is not especially devoted to violence may nonetheless be a

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sanctuary for some very violent people.

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Speaker 1: Are they radicalizing homeless individuals as well? I mean, we

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talked about getting the homeless involved in these protests and

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these sorts of things. Are they pushing members of the

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homeless community, if you will, or homeless people into radical

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violence causes?

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't say that off the top of my head.

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I can think of specific instances actually of turning actual

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homeless folks violent. However, as I said, they the true

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radicals who are violent, are very happy to have the

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homeless as props in protests, right, I mean, this is

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the this is again part of the whole scheme for

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the for the real radicals. You get people out in

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the streets, you have protests, and that provides cover. Maybe

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most of the folks out there are not going to

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be violent, but they're providing cover for the people who

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are going to be violent and an excuse, right, we're

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so angry about the problem of homelessness that we're going

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to destroy a business, We're going to beat up cops,

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We're going to assault a federal facility.

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Speaker 1: One of the great, one of the great tragedies in

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all of this is that, unfortunately, a significant number of

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homeless in America are veterans of serving their country in

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the military. They have served in very dangerous places in

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theaters of war. And these are the groups that the

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federal government and state governments and philanthropy organizations are paying

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to in essence, as your report finds, not really help

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these homeless veterans. That to me is among the most

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sickening crimes going on exposed by your report.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, thank you, And as somebody with a lot

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of friends current and former military, that means a lot

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to me. And you know, it's again, it's totally understandable

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that you know, people who served in combat or people

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who have to make the painful transition back to ordinary

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life from the military life. It is totally understandable. They

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can have mental health issues, or they could have struggles

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that lead them into substance abuse. I want to help

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those people. The overwhelming majority of Americans want to help

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those people. But don't tell me, oh, I'm helping those people.

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Prove you're actually helping them. I'm not going to give

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anybody the benefit of the doubt. It's not easy to

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help people who are suffering like this, and there are

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better and worse and more and less successful efforts to

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help them, and we need to understand that and make

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those distinctions.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, contrary to the corporate media line and the Democrats

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line that antifa is just an idea, it's just a concept,

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this is an organized effort at the local levels in particular.

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But there is a nexus here that's involved in the

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so called anti fascist movement, which is real nothing more

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than the tearing down, the destruction, including violence of the

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you know, the American form of government. All of that said,

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do you have is there a tracking of these organizations

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working closely with or tethered to the antifa movement in

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this country?

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Speaker 2: Well, as I said, the the it's less organizational connections, uh,

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than it is activists associations. You can find antifa activists

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who also work in who you know, also are attached

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to more public, less violent groups and by the way

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if you if you for one of my favorite simple

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things on are they organized? You just have to go

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to Torch hyphen antifa dot org and that's the website for

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the Torch Network, which connects to works with a variety

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of local Antifa groups, including Rose City Antifa. That'd be

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the Portland Antifa folks. And Andy know who's one of

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the best reporters on this. Try telling him that Antifa

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is just an idea and let him show you the

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cat scans of the brain bleed that that idea produced

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in his skull.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, there are. Andy is great. I know a

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number of reporters who've been on the ground in Portland

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and have been on the ground really since the Black

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Lives Matter movement, And that brings up a good point too.

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You see a lot of these groups, don't you, that

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we're in the Black Lives Matter movement move over to

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the so called advocacy groups those sorts of things, or

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tied to Antifa and the radical left violence movement as well.

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I'm curious because as you look at the funding, you

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see the diversion of funds, and not just the diversion

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of funds, but we all know that funding is fungible,

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that is, it can be moved around for different purposes.

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How much has and I know this is just the

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you know, the opening salval, but how much so far

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do you know has the Trump administration's push to end

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funding to these far left radical groups, at least federal funding.

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How much has that impacted this network of advocacy groups

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so far?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly made a difference. And it's the first,

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you know, the first time in my lifetime that there's

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been any kind of serious pushback on these kinds of things.

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But I am confident that it is not a high

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percentage of the total funding, partly because you know, so

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much of that federal money it doesn't go immediately to

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local back groups. It goes first to a state, and

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then the state makes grants to cities, and then the

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cities make grants to local folks. It's very hard to

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track all this money. It's very hard to turn off

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those bigots.

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Speaker 1: Those pickets, of course, have flowed all over the place.

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We've seen them not just in this country but in

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other countries, and Capital Research Center has reported on that,

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and it's difficult to stop. I would imagine the other sources,

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the billionaire sources that are funding this movement too. You

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mentioned tides before, but how many of the sorows grew

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so the other far left socialist communist groups are involved

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in this?

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Speaker 2: Well, you're right, given that we're talking billions of dollars,

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there is lots and lots of big philanthropy money, which

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means left wing money, by the way, often captured. You know,

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let us not forget you have leftists spending dead billionaires money, right,

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I promise you Henry Ford would not want any of

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his money going to anything like this, or James MacArthur

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Andrew Carnegie. But yes, it's it's extremely popular among the

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big philanthropy outlets.

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Speaker 1: Are they picking up where the federal government is leaving

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off so to speak? Are they filling those funding gaps?

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Speaker 2: Well, they definitely are talking among themselves about doing that. Now,

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they may or may not be able to fully do it,

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but they certainly are. They will do some backfilling, you

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can be sure of that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you expect given your report and some other

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very good reporting we've seen in recent months about the

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waste and the abuse of federal funds and donor funds,

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do you see Congress getting involved in this obviously the

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President has through executive orders, but do you see Congress saying, listen,

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this is a growing this has been a growing problem

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for a long time. We need to rain this stuff in.

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Speaker 2: I think there's some hope for that, but again, it's

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you know, this is a huge task to take on.

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It is not going to be easy. And every time

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you try to do anything, it's going to be you know,

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you want people dying in the streets, right, that's going

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to be the So it is not at all going

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to be an easy an easy task, and Congress has

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limited investigative capacities unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and Congress of course can't do its basic functions

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of putting together a budget or getting to a continuing resolution.

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So I don't know how much faith I have in

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Congress doing anything about really any issue out there. This

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one is going to have to be solved, I think,

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like so many others, by individuals who have the benefit

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of reading reports like this. Final question for you, Scott,

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what happens to the homeless if we continue and the

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homelessness issue if we continue to allow these leftist advocacy

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groups serve them. As you point out very well in

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your report at the disadvantage of these groups.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are absolutely right to ask that question. And

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of course the sad answer is, if we continue with

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the horrible policies, then we are going to get the

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horrible results and with more and more people. And that's

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that's so sad the but God bless you for doing

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this kind of reporting. You know, one of the most

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poignant things on this area that I've read is Nellie

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Bowles has a chapter in her latest book. Of course,

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I'm going to forget the name. You know, she is

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a left wing lesbian native of San Francisco. Right, this

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is not a right winger, but she was a reporter

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and in San Francisco. As a reporter, she wanted to

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see what happened in the harm reduction program as they

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like to call it, which is to say, the curing

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addiction by giving people clean needles and the like. And

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she wanted to go into one of the tents where

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they reduce harm for ventanyl and heroin addicts and the like.

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They absolutely would not let her in. Now, mind you,

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was all publicly funded, so it seems like as a

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San Francisco taxpayer, she has a right to go see

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what wonderful things her tax dollars are paying for, but

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they would not allow it. So she simply so she

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just watched people go in come out. And this is

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one of the things she's not nearly as left wing

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as she was because thing like this have you know,

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persuaded her. My god, the standard left wing narratives are

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not helping people. I mean, she called that. I think

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her term in the end was like, these are suicide tents.

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These are not harm reduction tents. So you know, this

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is the horrible, ugly truth. We're going to have more

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people die on the streets. We're going to have more

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people on the streets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. And just remember that the

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same people who are preaching anti racism or as it

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really is, discrimination to combat discrimination, are the same people

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who are coming up with these tents. So they control

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they try to control the language. But I think you're right.

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I think a lot of Americans are waking up. They

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certainly did in the last election. We will see it's

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going to take information from organizations like yours to move

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that along. We'll see how long though the American voter

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can stay awake. That's the important part here. This is

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a fantastic report It is called Infiltrated, the Ideological Capture

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of Homelessness Advocacy. It is produced by Capital Research Center

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in cooperation with the Discovery Institute. Thanks to my guest today,

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Scott Walter, president of Capital Research Center, you've been listening

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to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle,

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senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon

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with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom, anxious for

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the frame

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Speaker 2: Her the fas reason