Speaker 1: At a.
Speaker 2: Book in.
Speaker 3: Tonight's guest is Ken Ken. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi happy to be here.
Speaker 3: Well, it's great halving. You can please give us a
brief bile on yourself.
Speaker 2: I grew up Canadian. I grew up in northern Alberta,
the last town before you hit the Northwest Territories border.
So people who are listening from there they know what
I'm talking about. And I grew up on a small
reservation about one hundred and thirty five. I have columbers
east from there. That's where I grew up most of
my life, and I know that area like the back
of my hand. I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a really remote area from the way
you describe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it was. It's it's even today. Like even today,
it's still very remote and there's no lack of trees,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a great place for dog men
to live. So that would explain a lot you told
us about growing up on the reservation there. You're a
cree so you're not supposed to talk about your experiences
like yours in public ways. Why did you decide to
come on the show and do this?
Speaker 2: It had to do a lot with my mother's pathing.
My mom was an educator and believed in being honest
and being truthful to anyone and over to the path.
Since she passed away, I've been very vocal about a
lot of things, but I know it goes against tradition
for our culture. But this is I believe this is
going to be the last time I'm going to be
telling this story. I told the story maybe about four
or five times in my whole life, and this is
going on the record, So I want to be honest
and truthful on what I what happened during the event.
Speaker 3: Well, honesty is always the best policy. And it goes
without saying, we're so glad that you are sharing this
with us. We really appreciate it. Do the crew have
a name for dog men?
Speaker 2: Not really, there is a name that I can name,
But even just saying it is very It's it's not
that it's taboo, it's just it's it's it's it's scary
to say it, even out in the open and during
the day. There is a name for it, but I
don't want to say it.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I understand, of course, I respect that your
experiences with dog men Stretcher over the span of twenty
five years before that, did you even know about them?
Speaker 2: I heard stories. I heard stories from the elders during
we have we used to have an event in school
called Cultural Days, and these tell stories about, you know,
the myths of our culture with packy Jack and stuff
like that. But we heard stories about dark figures that
lived in the woods. And if you grew up in
the woods, chances are eventually you will encounter something. I
can't say what, but it's something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like that's the case almost no matter
where you go, when you've got a lot of force
the way you do. And that brings me to my
next question. I'm wondering, do the cree fear sasquatch more
than dogmen or vice versa.
Speaker 2: It's I would say, probably fear the dog man more.
The reason being it's because, like you said, it's a
lot of forest, a lot of dense forest everywhere, like
where I grew up in anything that's that is like that,
I can say it could live anywhere, Like it's a
forty below forty blow and Celsius, it could be thirty
five above Celsius. It has a lot of places where
it can hide and live and thrive. That's why there's
not many farmers in that area because attacks do happen.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's not a good thing. Have you heard
about any specific attacks or just the fact that they happen.
Speaker 2: Just the fact that they happen, anything very specific. There
was one and I can't really verify it, but it
was just a I was a teenager then. Say back
in ninety seven ninety eight, there was something that was
going around killing dogs on the reserve. And one Saturday morning, Uh,
there was a black lab that went missing. It was
a teachers for the U. I guess I could explain this.
Teachers that just got out of university college always come
up there to come work, to get work experience. And
one teacher had a black lab. We always she always
brought that black lab to school all the time. And
that dog and this this was probably about five of
us that found this dog. That dog was legitimately torn
half like torn half. It wasn't cut in half, it
was torn like something very very very strong picked up
that poor dog in broken half and tour it and
half to the top half of the dog was on
top of the landing of the stairs. The bottom half
we found in the small ravine a little ways from
the house, and we did not We thought it was
a mountain lion, but mountain lions rarely coming onto the
reserve because they see one and then you know, they
do with somebody with a rifle would end up shooting it.
But until this day, we still don't know what it was.
I believe it was the dog man, That's what I think.
Speaker 3: You just might be right about that. And I don't
need to tell you mountain lions don't tear dogs in
half like that. They might bite them and rip them up,
but never tear them in half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm I'm a hunter, so I know, I know,
I know my bears, I know my wild animals, and
there's nothing I can really say that can an animal
that could do that?
Speaker 3: Definitely not. Your first encounter happened in a place called
High Level. What can you tell us about the place?
Speaker 2: Oh, high Level. It's it's a small town. It used
to be a thriving oil and gas town. It is
about our capital city and the province is about eight
hours south of high Level. It's literally, legitimately the last
town you're going to hit before you drive on to
the Northwest Territories border like, it's a very very remote
a lot of trees, and there's it's not just the
cree up there, there's other other tribes. There's the Dne,
the Bushy, and just about everybody in between. Actually it's
a very very small town. Everybody knows everybody there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it normally goes with remote places like that.
You're with your brother when it happened. What can you
tell us about him?
Speaker 2: Ah, my brother. We we grew up together on the reservation.
He is actually my adopted brother. He lost his mother
to cancer and when we were teenagers and through ceremony
and being free, he asked my mom to finish raising him.
So through that's how he's my brother today. And but
before that we were best friends. We've been friends since
nineteen eighty nine. I mean, thinking about it now, in hindsight,
that's a long time. But yeah, he's he's not the
kind of guy that would lie to you straight to
your face. He's a very practical person, straightforward. He doesn't
beat around the bush. He tells it the way he
sees it. And he talking about this, but you know,
about the event that happened, he pretty much kept it
to himself. He didn't really want to share about what happened,
And I don't blame him. He's uh. I had asked
him before coming on to the show. I said, you
comfortable both me talking about this? And he said yeah,
he said, because he said I he feels super uncomfortable
talking about it, so he said, better you to do it.
I said, okay, no problem.
Speaker 3: Well it goes with that saying, I'm so glad that
you have such a good relationship Ben. Just like you.
He sounds like a good man to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's a great person.
Speaker 3: All right, Ken, Please tell us about your encounters. Now,
give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the first detail, I mean, the first encounter, sorry,
has happened nineteen ninety nine, the winter of nineteen ninety nine.
The reservation I grew up on. There's another one east
of it called Fox Fox Lake. Excuse me, and uh
my dad, that's the reservation my dad grew up on.
And uh we went through that evening. We just I
just got off school. I was sixteen, Yeah, I was sixteen,
and my parents like, hey, come with us, you know,
let's go for ride to Fox Like so we did
went to go see some family and like I said,
the only I had the only way to get there
at the time. About like now you can go there
at any time of the year, Like there's a you
get on drive onto a ferry and you get you
can get uh driven across on the ferry on the ferry,
Whereas back then it was uh winter access road, so
we had to drive across the Peace River in the winter.
I'm like fourteen if I don't know how to tick.
The ice is like it's super thick, and we had
to drive across, and there was in the winter time
there's more access road, so it's like three or four
I believe. I believe there was like three. And we
always took this one road down highway down Highway fifty
eight and we had to cross a small creek called
Winfle Creek, and then you drove another ten kilometers and
you had to drive across the Peace Server into Foxlake. Anyway,
the encounter, we're on our way back from Foxlake. This
is the same road that we took and we got
to this as a junction. You go southbound, it'll leads
you to another road and you go straight it'll leads
you to Highway fifty eight, the road that we always take,
and then there was another road it looks like it was.
It just it just kind of led to a large opening.
So my dad got turned around. He's like, I don't
know which way to go. Mind you, it's snowing hard,
big flakes, a lot of snow coming down. And my
mom looked at my dad and said, well, let's try
this way. So this is a big opening, a big clearing.
So we drove into the big clearing and there was
an older an older car maybe kind of looked like
a Monte Carlo. Maybe this is something similar to that.
So we pulled up and my dad just had this
feeling to stop and I said. I looked at him.
I was like, so why are we stopping? You know where?
You know this? Maybe this is not the right way,
he said. Then a pair of eyes at the front
of the car, like we're looking at this car from behind.
A pair of eyes opened up, a pair of eyes
way they're like amber colored, was looking straight at us.
And it's dark, like you know when you shine a light,
so dark how you shot a light there's the light
just gets uh swallowed up by the dark. And then
those eyes started drifting, started drifting into the tree light.
Not drifting, but like when somebody's staring at you. You
could see like a figure, like a very dark I
mean it's super dark figure. You could see it. The
eyes were bobbing, and then the eyes and the figure
went into the tree line, and all three of us
looked at each other, me and my parents, and I said, okay,
I said we should just get out of here. So
my dad, without any hesitation, backed up the truck. We
picked another road. Thankfully, it was the one that led
to Highway fifty eight, and we made our way home. Now,
I never we got home, and I just looked at
my dad, like, what did we see? And he said,
I think we've seen something that didn't want to be seen.
And he never elaborated after that, Like years went by.
We never talked about it really until I'll say, let's
say about ten years later we talked about it. And yeah,
that was my first encounter. This is the last time
telling this story, and I wanted on the record that
I'm not telling this story after this. This is the
final time I'm gonna tell it. I got no inclination
to lie about what I see, So I'm gonna say
say what I what I saw. It was the evening
of May second. I know this because this May second
was my birthday and I had to drop my my
grandparents home. I drove from Edmonton, as I said earlier,
eight hour drive, drove up the High Level with my grandparents.
Drop my grandparents off at my Auntie's place, and they
wanted to still want to go home that night. They
just want to stop there and go see her, and
you know, just go see her, go see my auntie
and my uncle. I went and see my brother. My
little brother was with me during the eight hour trip.
My brother, the one I was talking about earlier. He
went to his house and we were visiting and talking
about I don't know our plans for the night. It
was my birthday. He was he said we should go
out to the pub and go enjoy ourselves. I'm like,
I don't know. I said, I'm just kind of want
to drive the grandparents home and come home and sleep.
And he was like, come on, man, let's go do something.
It's like, I'm not really I'm not really into it
right now, I said, I said, how about we just
drive home? So my grandma call me, and she's she
got ready to get picked up. Come pick up me
and grandpa and drive us home to Boyer. My grandparents
lived in a small reservation between High Level and the
one I grew up was called Boyer River, and she
lived by like around farmers and stuff like that. So
there's like fields and tree lines and fields and country roads,
so it wasn't nothing like a goat trail roads like
where I grew up. And so I picked her up
and asked. My brothers said, okay, come with me and
since go driving home. So we did. We made the trip.
She lived about forty minutes east of High Level down
Highway fifty eight, and there's a turnoff. It's actually because
it's like a lot of farmers, there was like a
lot of ways to get there, to get through her house,
so we had one specific way. It was the fastest.
Drove in, took her back, and I was just bringing
her clothes in and stuff she bought and her groceries
and asked. It was probably about eleven thirty that night.
And if you anybody who's growing up in the northern
part of Canada, like you know, Canada is already north,
but I mean further North during the spring and summer.
It never gets dark, even already in May, like it'll
be dark for maybe about four and a half maybe
four and a half five hours, so it's kind of
like dusk. Basically, you can still see things from a
distance if you have flashlight and stuff flashlight. And my
grandma said to me, so, my my Noesip, which means
my grandchild in Cree, be careful when you go home tonight.
And I said, why is that. She said, just be careful,
and she handed me a bottle of wild turkey. I
think it's bourbon, think it's whiskey. I'm not really a
I don't drink alcohol really, So she gave me a bottle.
She's like, you might need this when you get home.
So I was like, well whatever, So I put it
in a bag. I put it in my trunk. I
told my brother's like, all right, we're going. So we
left and it was probably about midnight the laughter twelve.
We were talking about just whatever stuff we're talking about,
like the latest video games, we're talking about the postseason,
you know, we watch hockey, I don't know, just general things.
We're just just discussing. And that's when everything went dark.
I know it sounds cliche, but everything literally legitimately went dark.
You couldn't see that because normally late at night at
that time of the year, you can still see the horizon.
You can still see the northwest where the sun is,
you can see the horizon lights up, and we couldn't
see it on this section of road, and I yusually later.
I had asked my mom, like, how haunted is this road?
She's like, oh, you'll see things you don't want to see,
that's all she said. You elaborate, but I've seen things
that I didn't see what didn't want to see. Sorry,
And so it got dark, couldn't see the horizon. I
just looked at my brother, like, what's up with this?
He goes, uh, I don't know how fast you're going.
I looked down and I'm doing a one hundred klometers. There's
not really that many deer in the area where I
grew up, Like, there's probably more predators than there is deer,
so seeing it deer is very uncommon, and you're more
likely to see a wolf or a bear or a
coyote or something like something that that's not a deer.
So I dropped a gear, you know, I drove a
manual transmission. I dropped a gear and then I went
down to about eighty kilometers bro. I was like, uh,
I'm gonna slow down so just in case something jumps
out at us, I said to him, and he's like, hey,
don't say that. And as I said that, I looked up,
like look at straight at the highway. As we're going westbound,
there a light, uh, a light legitimately came down from
thin air like nowhere. It was a soft light. It
wasn't a beaming light. It was like it was a
really soft light. And that light that's the best way
I could explain it. It's it's like somebody took a
hammer hit that light and then stuff started pouring out
of it. And that's the best way I can explain it.
And I started slowing down evenmore, took the car out
of gear, put it in third, and I was just
like I looked at over at my brother. I was like, okay,
is that you seeing that too? And he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's like he's like, uh, always like step on it.
So I sped up, kicked it in forth. We're doing
about eighty eighty five and as that as that that
light just faded away, and there it was on the
driver's side of the road, a tall figure and it
had the face of a dog, had the body. It
was bipedal. It was bipedal, so it stood on two legs.
It had arms, It had hands, and these hands like
the skin of the hands that I remember that. I
always remember the hands because it reminded me of a raccoon.
If you never see a raccoon's hands, how they are
are like small palms but long fingers. I guess there's
you can say. But the way it stood up and
looked at us, and it and I asked my brother,
I's like, do you remember the thing greening at us?
He said, yeah, it grained at us. And I was like,
and I do remember now it kind of had like
it showed its teeth. I don't know, show its teeth
is grenning. And the thing got down on four four
four feet forward on all four limbs and ran across,
not towards the car, but just literally ran across. And
I swear, I swear my mom's grave that I hid it. Oh.
So I looked at my brother was like, he's like,
go go, go, go, go go go. You just kept
out saying, go, go, go, And my brother never panics.
This guy is cool as a cucumber. When he panics,
I panics. So again, I still had it in fourth gear,
and I stepped on it till I couldn't go any
faster and put it in fifth gear. And then the
horizon we could see the horizon again. But during that time,
and I always remember the smell if you if you
grew up around Uh, around the swampy area, the smell
of muskeke in the summertime. It smells the rod and
flesh future it smell. It's uh. When you smell it,
you cannot get it out of your out of your mind,
the way it smells. And that's exactly how it smelled
when we when that thing went under the car, like
in front and under. I believe. I Oh, and that's
where we're gonna.
Speaker 1: I was like.
Speaker 2: I was like, we gotta stop. I said, we gotta stop.
And he's like, okay, I said stop at the gas station.
So there was a gas station called uh Chaw Services
and it's on UH just off the highway on another reservation.
We pull in and then I get out, and the
first thing I do is I spark up a cigarette.
I'm just shaking and I'm like wondering and pacing and
I'm like, oh my goodness, this is man, this is uh.
I can't believe what I just seen. And my brother
looks at me, you can't believe it. He's like, he's like,
let's go check your car. So we went behind my car.
I had a I had an old Dodge Neon, like
an O three little Dodge Neon. The you know, at
the time was the recession that needed something cheap to
get around, and so I just bought this car. And
if you ever seen a Dodge Neon, the back part,
the back bumpers all one big piece, and there was
hair stuck between the fender would where the top of
the tires and then right where the the bumper meet
there's a little sea, a little opening, and there was hair,
like coarse hair. For anybody who's hunted, if you ever
shot a bear or a buffalo, when you when you're
taking the fur off of the hide, and you know
how thick it is, like it's so thick that you
could throw at a needle. But the smell, the musk,
the musky smell off of it was horrible. It was
just it was like like rotting flesh like it. It
smells so bad. So I went and grabbed when grabbed
the when She'll wash is a small when She'll wash
bucket there, grabbed it and I threw it on my
car like it was smelling. It was so bad to
smell was in my car. So I just threw it
all on the car there and I was just kicking
the that little spot so anything else was stuck under there,
try my best to get that smell out. I was
looking at the air and I was just like, I
gotta wash my hands, and so I took a water bottle,
washed my hands and I looked at my brother and
I said, okay, man, this is Should we tell anybody
about this? He goes, you think they'll even believe what? Yeah,
I don't know, I said. Maybe. I was like, I
can't tell you, man, I said, but I can't tell
you what I saw, but I can say I can
tell people what I see. He's like, yeah, So we
kept it under wraps for a couple of years. Less
than a handful of people know about what what happened.
We made our way back and I got to my
parents' place and I just yeah, that was it was
something that that ball of wild turkey. Yeah as wild turkey.
I remember I didn't drink it. I just left it
on the table. I was going to open it, and
I was just like, I I don't know, I just
left it there. I get I remember giving it away
to somebody. But maybe think now about what my grandma said.
My grandma said, you might need it. Be careful out there.
You never know what you're going to see. Anyway. Yeah,
that's what happened. I was the event.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's nice. You're never going to forget. Neither were
your brother. No, yeah, i'd say not. You feel that
in a way having these dog me and encounters was
a good thing. Please expand on that for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was a traditionalist.
Speaker 1: Heavily believes in the old ways, and at the time
I didn't know, Like I was young and young, and
I wasn't really confident in myself.
Speaker 2: But since the encounter in the event in two thousand
and nine, I have a better handle on dealing with
things that are you know, like people don't have a
better handle on I'm like, not just dealing with paranormal
but with situations where you have to step up and
do the right thing, make an executive decision, dealing with
difficult things in your life. Ever since that event in
two thousand and nine, I can handle it more. I
can deal with it. And my dad said, my dad
told me, son, that was what that encounter, what you've
been through he said, whatever it was, he said, it
was it tested your metal, tested you. And if you
can encounter that, encounter that and deal with it, he said,
there are things in life that are going to be
coming up in your life. Is that you can you
are going to be able to deal with not easier,
but you can deal with it with confidence. And you know,
at the time when it happened, I didn't I didn't
believe in it. That is this whole man talking about
like you know, I don't. I don't. I don't, I
don't believe what he said what he said. But now
as I'm getting older, yeah, I think about that time
when I want when I encounter at that event, and
then I think about the things that came through with
my life in the last fifteen years. It's like, yeah,
I can handle it, but that don't mean I'm going
to go looking for it like that's that's the difference
my Sometimes the unknown will just show up and show
its face, and some days people some people candles, some
people can't. But I don't go out of my way
to go look for it. If it chows up my doorstep,
I'll do with it accordingly. But I'm not gonna go
hunt for it.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're not. You told your wife about your encounters,
and before you did that, you didn't think she was
gonna believe you. Why so.
Speaker 2: I didn't think she was gonna believe me because my
wife is is a very she's a factual person. She
needs to see the fact she needs she's needs to
see the numbers to believe it in order to in
order to really grasp of just about anything in her life.
But at the same time, she's she's a really devout
Christian person. She's a she's she heavy believe. She's she's
a believed in the in the Word of the the
Good Word, the Bible and all that all that business.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 2: When I did tell her, I was just like I
was ready for ready, cool, Like I was like, okay,
here we go, Like she's gonna tease me and stuff.
She wholeheartedly believed me, and she said, she told me,
she's that's the most like she knew. She knew it
was a genuine I was genuinely, I was genuinely telling
the truth. She just knew, and not because she she
loved me, not because she was my wife, and not
because we were friends. But she said, I felt it.
Your words are true. And over the years that we've
been together, I told her that story every once in
a while when we're traveling or we're we're just sitting
and having a coffee and having a conversation, and I
tell her about the time what I saw as she's
and before I came on to your program, she said,
your story never And I said, why would it change? Said,
I don't need to add embellishments. I don't need to
add things that are unnecessary. I said, this is as
truthful as I can tell it. And yeah, that's that's when. Yeah,
she truly believed, believes even today that she still believes
that my encounter is very real.
Speaker 3: Your wife sure sounds like a keeper to me. You're
a lucky man. Yeah, she's amazing. She sure sounds like it.
When you had that encounter at ninety nine, and watch
those eyes disappear into the tree line. How far were
they from your car?
Speaker 2: I would say a parpoles length, so about between forty
and forty and sixty meters and that. But one of
the details that you remember, though, is we were it
was an inclined It was a grade. It wasn't very steep.
But where how the car was parked. It was the
that car was the facing upwards, and it wasn't by much.
It wasn't a very steep grade. That's what That's what
we knew, because that's when we knew it was. It
was something because behind it you would not build to
see trees behind it, just the sky and it was
snowing off and on that night it was snowing lots.
It was snowing very hard. Then it was snowing a
little bit, and it was snowing. Then it was just
blowing snow. But I remember the snow. It was very pliable.
Uh we call it wet snow. You know where you
can make a you can make a snowman out of it.
It's very pliable snow. So the track when you when
the snow is pliable, the tracks you can hear. It
makes it a very distinct sound. It's not quite a
crunching sound. It's like when your shoes are wet and
you're walking on a floor, it makes like a squeaking sound.
And my mom, God bless her, she was a heavy smoker.
So I had to roll my window down and you
can hear the footsteps. And then I asked my dad,
like you hear that. He's like, yeah, kinda sort of.
And we had to heat blasted, obviously, because we were
trying to keep the windshield from freezing up. But I
always like that we didn't. We didn't go looking after.
We just backed up and backed out and left. And
I'm glad that my dad made that decision.
Speaker 3: All that you are glad? Yeah, I don't blame you.
Do you think your inability to see it very clearly
was due to how heavy the snow was coming down
or how dark it was.
Speaker 2: Uh So, I do have a question for you. Vic.
When you look up in the sky, you notice that
you can't see a scar, But when your eyes are
away from that star, you can see it.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: It's exactly like that. When you don't look at it directly,
you can't really make out what you saw, But when
you look away at your peripheral there was something. There
was a mass of something there. I'm not gonna say
it was bipedal or not. It was just a mass,
like you know, it was just like like like some
kind of like a like a cowl or a veil
around it. I guess that's the best way I can
explain it. So, when you looked at directly, yeah, you
couldn't really see the couldn't really you know, you couldn't
really see the details of it. But when you look away, yeah,
it was there.
Speaker 3: No, that makes sense. That's one of the peculiar things
about our vision as humans. Somehow, your night vision is
better when you're not looking directly at something. Just like
you talked about, if you look away from something of interest,
just look away a little bit, in a lot of cases,
you'll be able to see it better then if you're
looking right at it. I don't understand it, but I've
noticed that before myself. Your dad told me that what
you saw must not have wanted to be seen. Did
anyone ever tell you that it was bad luck to
see a dog man?
Speaker 2: It was in general in our culture, it's bad luck
to see anything that's not supposed to be seen. Dog
man or the other thing. That I don't want to
see what it is spirits in general, because and I'm spiritually,
the spirits that come out, we don't know their intentions.
We don't know if it's going to bring good luck
to to you and your family, or if it's going
to put a curse on you, or if it's you know,
it just wants to say hi. The intentions of the
seeing these things or yeah, we don't know what they are.
That's why they're very not as often as talked about
or even openly talked about among our among our people.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I understand, and of course I respect that
you told us that your grandmother knew that you were
going to have that second encounter before it even happened.
How do you think she knew?
Speaker 2: Uh, my grandma knew a lot of things that she
never told us, like let on, she's she grew up
in a very a very remote area as well, like
where she grew up, and she always to tell us
the stories about the paranormal, about you know, uh, seeing
and hearing things in the kitchen and oh this is
what this is the one that she told me about
about a dog that they found up in the tree.
A dog's Yeah, that's That's the one that really got
me is that they a dog had climbed a tree
and they had to put it down because that dog
was possessed. I mean, I always told her like, I mean,
I was like, I was young and stupid, and I
mean not young, I was young and naive, and I
was like, that's that's just story stuff like that. You know,
you know, I don't believe it. But all these things
that she told us when we were kids about the paranormal,
like it's I was. I didn't want to believe it
because I was, like I was, you know, it's too
far fetched. A very practical person, it's a little too
far fetched. And I do respect the values of people's
cultures and my culture in general, but I just like
chokingly giggled about it until well, until the event that
I just told you what happened back in two thousand
and nine.
Speaker 3: Well, the world is a happier place to live in
when you don't believe in things like that. But unfortunately
they're real. They're out there, and you know that, now, yeah,
you do. You didn't see that dog, mean when you
had the second encounter, until after you saw that strange light,
do you think that you might have been connected somehow.
Speaker 2: I do believe it. That was way too like. It
had to be. It had to be. It had to
do something with a dog man, because that's just something
that just doesn't occur naturally, even in nature. And I
spent a lot of time, like I spent a lot
of time in the in the wilderness. I'm a hunter.
We go hunting, me and my dad we go. I
go hunting with my friends. You know, I've seen a
lot of questionable things out out in the wilderness, but that,
and you know, drone technology wasn't a thing back in
two thousand and nine, So it had to do something
with a dog man. It had to be. And I
don't want to know more about it, but I know
what they had to do with it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not lost on you that quite a
few eyewitnesses have reported seeing things like that before they
have their encounter. So yeah, it probably was connected. You know,
it's fairly intricate details about that dog man's hands. That
means that you must have been pretty close to it
at the time.
Speaker 2: How close were you, I would say probably use feet
because from for your American listeners, it came in terms
of feet, it was probably. So I was driving about
sixty sixty kilombers an hour, and I know my speeds
because I'm also also a truck driver, so I was okay.
So I was doing about forty kilometers an hour, close
to thirty forty, and it came up on us. I've
seen it right at s right where the light is out.
That'sbout forty feet. And when it got on all four
to run, that's when I seen its hands as it
was as I was walking towards the middle of the road,
I seen its hands before it got on all fours,
dashed across the road. And like I said, it's long fingers,
but small palms like a raccoon. And you could like
under the like the palms, what would be like it
was the skin was black like like not like black
like almost like rubber like uh, like a matte black.
It wasn't shiny. It was just like a matte black.
And that all and the and the the tips of
the fingers weren't they weren't like uh, you know, you're
you know what you see like in uh pop culture
werewolf for there's like long finger nails, right, but remember
the nails were almost like how our nails are, like
like they were flat, but they were longer. Yeah, I
do remember that because then when it got on all fours,
the when the hand touched the pavement, this kind of
remember is it the hand got whiter, like it widened out,
kind of like a duck, you know, on a duck
walk on his feet. That's its feet white. Note, just
like that. It wasn't I'm not saying it was web
but its hands white. Note. Then yeah, dashed across the
road and it we must we had to we hit
it because there was hair and hair in the smell
and the snow. My goodness, I'll never forget that snow.
Speaker 3: Ever, that must have stumped pretty bad. It sounds like
it left an impression on you, and understandably so listening
to you describe how its hands looked when it went
down onto all fours, if I have you correctly, does
that mean that when it went down onto its hands
that it wasn't on its knuckles. Its fingers were out
straight and it was on its palms. Yeah, okay, that
makes sense because with claws like that, Yeah, if you
knuckle them under, that could cause all sorts of problems. Yeah, okay, yeah,
that makes sense. What I don't under stand is, of
all the directions that could have gone, it ran right
in front of your Knon. Do you think it wanted
you to hit it?
Speaker 2: It wanted to be known. That's that's the conclusion my
brother got. It wanted to It wanted us to know
that it's out there.
Speaker 3: Well, it definitely gave you an education on that. Yeah, yeah,
i'd say it did. It sounds to me like you
never did see it after you ran over it. Is
that accurate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've after that after the event. Uh, the next
part from uh, that's when it solidified what I seen. Yeah,
but yeah, but physically, no, never seen it. I've seen
other things, but not that.
Speaker 3: Did you ever check the rear view after you ran
over it?
Speaker 2: No? I was way too terrified to look back. I
just like I said, I picked up gears and I
got out other right to your chaw services.
Speaker 3: I did not look back in my mirror. Well, I
can't fault you for that. After you did run over,
you said you went to that gas station to check
your car. How far was that gas station from where
you hit it?
Speaker 2: I was so I was doing about I wasn't fourth gear,
so eighty CBS by like five minutes away.
Speaker 3: Oh that's still pretty close. Did you have your head
on a swivel in case it was able to follow you?
Speaker 2: Uh? No, I kept my eye on the road because again,
like the area was dark, like unnaturally dark. And my
brother kept on looking in the review mirror, looking around,
and uh, like I told you earlier, she's a father dude,
he never panicks. And this man panicked and when he panics,
like I panic and it's not a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have an experience like that and it will
intend to make panic even if you're pretty stout and
a pretty calm customer. You told us about the fur
that you found after you did stop. But was your
car damaged at all?
Speaker 2: No, that's uh that's the thing that got me. Uh
I was expecting. Uh so, Doug ne On. It's a
front wheel drive car, so the back is sitting on
you know, like these smaller frames like these, Uh, you
know they're not very they're not very well built car.
And uh I went looking under there, like I know
all my way around a vehicle fixed a lot of vehicles.
You know. I'm I'm a backyard mechanic. I'm not a
certified mechanic, backyard mechanic. But I always I looked around
under it, around it. That was the only spot that
had the fur was in that scene between the bumper
and the back panel, like the back part of the car,
like there were the on the sides of the trunk
like right there like that. That seem that's the only
place I found it. When I looked under my car,
like under the back tire of the passenger side. Nothing,
no damage, there's nothing wrong with it. And uh yeah,
after the next day, I obviously I washed my car,
but I was expecting to see more hair or like
anything like fall out of them, fall out out from
under the undercarriage. Nothing. It just left that little bit
of hair.
Speaker 3: That's awfully strange, but not exactly unprecedented. Over the years,
I've spoken with several eyewitnesses who have hit these things,
run over them, and when they stop and get out
to check no damage. I don't know what's behind that,
but it might point towards them being supernatural beings, which
that brings me to my next question with do you
think that's what they are?
Speaker 2: Me personally, absolutely, absolutely, one hundred percent. There's the best
way I could say it is what most of My
grandfather always said is the unknown, Like if we were
meant to know about it would be right in front
of us. We would have access to it, touch it,
taste and smell it. That that thing had to be supernatural,
had to be.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. That would explain a lot of
the things they do. It would explain all that neatly.
So I agree. In twenty sixteen, you found out that
your uncle had an encounter more than likely with the
dog man. Was he still alive in twenty sixteen when
he found out about his experience?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and uh I had spoken to him. Is
my uncle is my mom's younger brother, and he, Uh,
so what happened. We're at a funeral my mom's sister past,
and after the service and everything, we have like a
big get together. We cook, we sit down, we laugh,
we share stories about the person who's past. My mom
is me Tea, so she's uh. They have their own
traditions apart from being like Cree, I'm Cree, but my
mom's me Tea. And we had a big, a big dinner,
probably like one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty people,
and uh, everybody loved my auntie. She was a great person.
And my mom she's a she was a social butterfly
among her family, and she would walk around and talk
to everybody. She loved everybody, and everybody loved my mom.
And my wife was standing right beside me, and this
is exactly what happened. My wife was said beside me,
and I was talking to my sister and my niece.
And my sister said, where are you going. It's like,
I'm going to get ready. I'm going to go home.
She's like, okay, well it's gonna get late, and that's
what are you doing. She's like, I'm staying high level
for the night and then we're going to go home tomorrow.
So and then my mom walks over and she's smiling
and laughing. I was like, okay, Mom. She goes yeah,
She's like, oh, your uncle, so my brother, my little brother,
is so silly. And I was just like, oh, uh, well,
what happened? I said? What did he do? And my
uncle was you know he sometimes he'd tell a good
joke and we'd laugh and have a good time. You know,
he he's funny. But my mom was like, she's laughing,
and she put her hand. I remember put her hand
on my shoulders, she said, And I never told my
mom about the event in two thousand and nine, and
never told her ever and nobody I never told her
till after. And uh, your uncle told me a silly story.
I was like, oh, yeah, what's it about. Oh he's
seen this giant, this giant dog man with a white
face run across the road just outside of Challe Services
one night, but you know by Rocky Lane. Even just
saying that right now, just but yeah, and my heart's ink.
I looked at my wife. I had told my wife already,
so she knew about it. And my wife her face
was dropped and she like looked at me, and my
mom goes, what, man, what's wrong? I'm like, nothing at nothing.
I said, when you get ready, we're gonna go home.
You sure want to go home? At streets and rain
and I'm like, I'll be fine, somebody just go home
not feeling good. So she hugged me, and she's like, okay, well,
I love yes, I love you too. I went out
to the parking lot and I see my uncle Larry
was having a smoke and pulled up to him. It
was just me and him. My wife was inside, shaking hands,
hugging people. I was just like talking to him. So
my mom told me about you've seen something down by
Rocky Lane there, and he's like, yeah, holy Smoke's nephew.
He said that thing was taul probably like eight maybe
ten feet. He said, it just tad like hands. Is
it just like black hands? It ran across the road
and he's like, I ran it over. I had to
run it over. And he had a a lifted truck.
I remember he had a like a lifted Chevy and
it's a big truck like it's it's a diesel, like
it's a Duramaxis. Thinking, I think, what a plottery he
would have. Probably people would ruined the front end if
he plowed right into it. He said he'd ran across.
He swerved to the driver's side of the of the
lane like the I would say, to the left side
of the lane, like on onto oncoming traffic. There's no traffic,
mind you, but onto the oncoming traffic side of the road.
And he said, he said, I thought I hit it.
I thought I hit it. I said, you go look
around your truck to see you if you hit it.
He's like, yeah, I went looking around he said, didn't
see nothing. I said, but it just he said, smelled bad.
He said, it smelled like, uh, it smelled like a
new He's like when you go on a hunt and
you leave the beat out too long. So before you
before you you know, before you skin the moose or
you you're kill when you leave it out too long,
it smells like that. And asked them, I said, do
you think was it like how does a face look?
I asked it like it was it white or like
a cream color? He said, no, it's like a He said,
it was like a He's like, what it was like
a white like? He said, like an eggshell white looking face.
I said. They didn't show its teeth. He said, yeah,
just up front. He said, yeah, two teeth sticking out
in the front. But it ran, he said, it ran
just like really, like like like a person who got
down on four of all four limbs and ran across
the road. And I said, yeah, I said, I seen
that years ago. I said, back in two thousand and nine,
I took grandma home. Grandma, it's his mother, So I
took grandma home to uh back the boy, I said,
I mean me and my brother seeing that. He guy
was like, really, I just heard stories about it, but
they didn't think it was real. I said, well, it
sounds like it's pretty real if you and me seen it,
And he said, who knows, maybe other people seeing it
to jask A Alan. I said, yeah, that's gonna that's
look gonna look good on me going asking around. Hey, man,
did you see a big twelve foot dog man walking
around around the bushes? So you know how you know
how ridiculous how would sound? And he laughed. He said,
it ain't ridiculous if you've actually seen it and it's real.
I said, yeah, Well, I don't know, I said. I
told him, I don't know if I'll even bother telling
anybody else. I'm always gonna believe me anyway. Yeah, well
that's what I saw. He gave me a little cigarette,
gave me a hug, so I love your nephew. He said,
you take care of yourself for gonna head home. I said,
I'm gonna head home. Yeah, that's that's what he told me.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Ken, sure sounds to me like dog
me in the counters running your family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to see it again.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you don't. I hope you don't.
Speaker 2: Also, uh, here's here's the here's the thing. I'm not
saying it's exclusively down Highway fifty eight. But I you know,
I used to work in the oil and gas section,
like the oil and gas industry. I did fracking, I
did cementing. I worked for big companies, and some of
our work took place at night. Like we would get
a phone call and be like, you have to be
at this drilling rig at two thirty in the morning,
be ready at midnight, Like you know, I would be
out there working late at night. There's my point is
in all those times I work in the oil and
gas industry where I was working super late, I have
never encountered anything like that. I seen moose, I've seen bear.
I seen a duck attack, a duck attack another duck
like I seen just you know, animals, but nothing like
this ever. So I don't like, I've never seen anything
that during my time of traveling to where to and
from late at night. That was the only time as
I was up there. I don't know. I say the
dog man is in Canada, only it's exclusively up there,
But I don't know. I can't I can't really say
much on that.
Speaker 3: Well, sounds to me like you saw some pretty unusual
things while you're driving and doing that, but no dog man.
Thank goodness for that. Yeah, speaking of that, in twenty
twenty two, you were hauling a load when you found
out about another man having a dog mean encounter. What's
the story behind his encounter?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, so this isn't until Yeah, twenty twenty two.
I was hauling fuel to small communities in winter. They
run on propane and run on diesel. That's like the
only way they can get their furnace is going. And
I was hauling and listen to a podcast. I'm not
going to name the name of the podcast if it
has to do this paranormal stories. I was on my
way back home, back to my house. I'm back to
the yard, sorry, and I heard just one podcast and
it was a dog man encounter. It wasn't this podcast specifically,
it was a different one, but this dog man encounter,
this guy was it basically almost the same thing happened
to me, without the weird light that came down. Just
a tall, white face, black hand dog man ran across
his vehicle and he thought he hit it, but he didn't.
And I was just like oh man, I was just thinking, like, okay,
I told somebody. Somebody told somebody, you know, basically telephone
the telephone game, and somebody heard my story and they're
putting it out there and I'm being mocked. But this
specific encounter that happened happened in nineteen eighty seven in Connecticut.
I believe it's Connecticut, but it happened back in the eighties,
in nineteen eighty seven. Like I was just barely walking
and talking, and so I save that. I saved that
podcast that episode. I never spoke to my brother for
a couple of years. She was busy doing his own thing.
We were we're still you know, it's my brother. I
talked to him. It's not. Sometimes we just don't communicate.
We're busy with our life and sometimes it goes a
couple of years before we haven't say anything to each other.
But anyway, I called him and I said, hey, I said,
I'm going to send you a link to something, and
I want you to listen to it from this time
to this time. And I said, I want you to
get back to me, and he said, what's it for.
I said, just listen to it, trust me, Okay, So
he did not. Even an hour later, he phones back.
He said, he said to me, they're those are those
things are over there as well? I said, they must be,
they must be. They must have always been here, I said,
Connecticut to where we're from, thousands and thousands of kilometers away.
And he said, and he asked me, He's like, do
you think other people know about this? What do you mean?
He said, do you think other people know about what
we saw? Maybe they have a better understanding what it is.
And I said, uh, maybe, And he's like, why do
you hesitate? I said, Look, I said, I was like,
I got a decent reputation. I said, I don't want
to go out there and start saying I'm like, oh man,
I seen the dog man and they're gonna call me crazy,
Like what if I have to go deal with a
customer and they're gonna look at me like, ohn't you
the guy talked about the dog man? And you know,
at the time, I was more worried about my image
to other people. But now when I found this podcast
that that where I'm talking to you from, you know,
I had to tell my I had to share with
what I see and I don't not just know it
to me out to my brother and also my mom
and best to be truthful about it.
Speaker 3: Well, it goes without saying, we're glad you decided to
come on and share your experiences. We really appreciate it.
Into it, that's what you said a moment ago. These
things are so widespread it's not even funny. What's about
time for us to get out if you're a kid.
But before we do, do you have any clothes in comments.
Speaker 2: You'd like to share?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't doubt yourself and what you've seen in during
should you encounter a dog man or anything paranormal, Like,
don't doubt yourself. I mean, I understand that the human
psyche can be manipulated through other illicit means. However, if
you believe what you saw what you saw what you saw,
don't be afraid to tell somebody that you know for
a fact that we'll we'll believe you because you never know,
Like me, telling this might actually help somebody either cope
or might help them come out to tell their side
of things of what they've seen.
Speaker 3: Well, those are good words, Ken. I can't thank you
enough for coming on and sharing the details of all
these experiences with us. I really appreciate it. You're welcome,
and if I could ever help you in the future,
please let me know. But having said that, thanks against
so much for your time and have a great night.