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Speaker 1: At a.

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Speaker 2: Book in.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's guest is Ken Ken. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hi happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great halving. You can please give us a

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brief bile on yourself.

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Speaker 2: I grew up Canadian. I grew up in northern Alberta,

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the last town before you hit the Northwest Territories border.

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So people who are listening from there they know what

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I'm talking about. And I grew up on a small

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reservation about one hundred and thirty five. I have columbers

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east from there. That's where I grew up most of

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my life, and I know that area like the back

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of my hand. I guess you could say.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a really remote area from the way

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you describe it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely it was. It's it's even today. Like even today,

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it's still very remote and there's no lack of trees,

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that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like a great place for dog men

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to live. So that would explain a lot you told

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us about growing up on the reservation there. You're a

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cree so you're not supposed to talk about your experiences

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like yours in public ways. Why did you decide to

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come on the show and do this?

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Speaker 2: It had to do a lot with my mother's pathing.

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My mom was an educator and believed in being honest

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and being truthful to anyone and over to the path.

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Since she passed away, I've been very vocal about a

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lot of things, but I know it goes against tradition

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for our culture. But this is I believe this is

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going to be the last time I'm going to be

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telling this story. I told the story maybe about four

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or five times in my whole life, and this is

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going on the record, So I want to be honest

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and truthful on what I what happened during the event.

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Speaker 3: Well, honesty is always the best policy. And it goes

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without saying, we're so glad that you are sharing this

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with us. We really appreciate it. Do the crew have

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a name for dog men?

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Speaker 2: Not really, there is a name that I can name,

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But even just saying it is very It's it's not

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that it's taboo, it's just it's it's it's it's scary

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to say it, even out in the open and during

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the day. There is a name for it, but I

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don't want to say it.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, I understand, of course, I respect that your

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experiences with dog men Stretcher over the span of twenty

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five years before that, did you even know about them?

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Speaker 2: I heard stories. I heard stories from the elders during

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we have we used to have an event in school

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called Cultural Days, and these tell stories about, you know,

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the myths of our culture with packy Jack and stuff

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like that. But we heard stories about dark figures that

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lived in the woods. And if you grew up in

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the woods, chances are eventually you will encounter something. I

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can't say what, but it's something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like that's the case almost no matter

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where you go, when you've got a lot of force

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the way you do. And that brings me to my

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next question. I'm wondering, do the cree fear sasquatch more

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than dogmen or vice versa.

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Speaker 2: It's I would say, probably fear the dog man more.

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The reason being it's because, like you said, it's a

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lot of forest, a lot of dense forest everywhere, like

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where I grew up in anything that's that is like that,

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I can say it could live anywhere, Like it's a

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forty below forty blow and Celsius, it could be thirty

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five above Celsius. It has a lot of places where

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it can hide and live and thrive. That's why there's

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not many farmers in that area because attacks do happen.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, that's not a good thing. Have you heard

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about any specific attacks or just the fact that they happen.

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Speaker 2: Just the fact that they happen, anything very specific. There

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was one and I can't really verify it, but it

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was just a I was a teenager then. Say back

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in ninety seven ninety eight, there was something that was

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going around killing dogs on the reserve. And one Saturday morning, Uh,

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there was a black lab that went missing. It was

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a teachers for the U. I guess I could explain this.

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Teachers that just got out of university college always come

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up there to come work, to get work experience. And

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one teacher had a black lab. We always she always

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brought that black lab to school all the time. And

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that dog and this this was probably about five of

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us that found this dog. That dog was legitimately torn

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half like torn half. It wasn't cut in half, it

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was torn like something very very very strong picked up

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that poor dog in broken half and tour it and

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half to the top half of the dog was on

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top of the landing of the stairs. The bottom half

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we found in the small ravine a little ways from

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the house, and we did not We thought it was

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a mountain lion, but mountain lions rarely coming onto the

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reserve because they see one and then you know, they

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do with somebody with a rifle would end up shooting it.

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But until this day, we still don't know what it was.

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I believe it was the dog man, That's what I think.

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Speaker 3: You just might be right about that. And I don't

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need to tell you mountain lions don't tear dogs in

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half like that. They might bite them and rip them up,

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but never tear them in half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm I'm a hunter, so I know, I know,

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I know my bears, I know my wild animals, and

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there's nothing I can really say that can an animal

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that could do that?

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Speaker 3: Definitely not. Your first encounter happened in a place called

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High Level. What can you tell us about the place?

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Speaker 2: Oh, high Level. It's it's a small town. It used

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to be a thriving oil and gas town. It is

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about our capital city and the province is about eight

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hours south of high Level. It's literally, legitimately the last

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town you're going to hit before you drive on to

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the Northwest Territories border like, it's a very very remote

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a lot of trees, and there's it's not just the

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cree up there, there's other other tribes. There's the Dne,

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the Bushy, and just about everybody in between. Actually it's

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a very very small town. Everybody knows everybody there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it normally goes with remote places like that.

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You're with your brother when it happened. What can you

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tell us about him?

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Speaker 2: Ah, my brother. We we grew up together on the reservation.

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He is actually my adopted brother. He lost his mother

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to cancer and when we were teenagers and through ceremony

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and being free, he asked my mom to finish raising him.

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So through that's how he's my brother today. And but

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before that we were best friends. We've been friends since

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nineteen eighty nine. I mean, thinking about it now, in hindsight,

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that's a long time. But yeah, he's he's not the

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kind of guy that would lie to you straight to

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your face. He's a very practical person, straightforward. He doesn't

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beat around the bush. He tells it the way he

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sees it. And he talking about this, but you know,

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about the event that happened, he pretty much kept it

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to himself. He didn't really want to share about what happened,

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And I don't blame him. He's uh. I had asked

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him before coming on to the show. I said, you

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comfortable both me talking about this? And he said yeah,

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he said, because he said I he feels super uncomfortable

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talking about it, so he said, better you to do it.

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I said, okay, no problem.

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Speaker 3: Well it goes with that saying, I'm so glad that

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you have such a good relationship Ben. Just like you.

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He sounds like a good man to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a he's a great person.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ken, Please tell us about your encounters. Now,

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give us every last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the first detail, I mean, the first encounter, sorry,

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has happened nineteen ninety nine, the winter of nineteen ninety nine.

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The reservation I grew up on. There's another one east

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of it called Fox Fox Lake. Excuse me, and uh

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my dad, that's the reservation my dad grew up on.

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And uh we went through that evening. We just I

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just got off school. I was sixteen, Yeah, I was sixteen,

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and my parents like, hey, come with us, you know,

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let's go for ride to Fox Like so we did

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went to go see some family and like I said,

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the only I had the only way to get there

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at the time. About like now you can go there

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at any time of the year, Like there's a you

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get on drive onto a ferry and you get you

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can get uh driven across on the ferry on the ferry,

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Whereas back then it was uh winter access road, so

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we had to drive across the Peace River in the winter.

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I'm like fourteen if I don't know how to tick.

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The ice is like it's super thick, and we had

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to drive across, and there was in the winter time

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there's more access road, so it's like three or four

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I believe. I believe there was like three. And we

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always took this one road down highway down Highway fifty

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eight and we had to cross a small creek called

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Winfle Creek, and then you drove another ten kilometers and

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you had to drive across the Peace Server into Foxlake. Anyway,

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the encounter, we're on our way back from Foxlake. This

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is the same road that we took and we got

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to this as a junction. You go southbound, it'll leads

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you to another road and you go straight it'll leads

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you to Highway fifty eight, the road that we always take,

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and then there was another road it looks like it was.

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It just it just kind of led to a large opening.

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So my dad got turned around. He's like, I don't

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know which way to go. Mind you, it's snowing hard,

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big flakes, a lot of snow coming down. And my

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mom looked at my dad and said, well, let's try

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this way. So this is a big opening, a big clearing.

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So we drove into the big clearing and there was

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an older an older car maybe kind of looked like

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a Monte Carlo. Maybe this is something similar to that.

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So we pulled up and my dad just had this

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feeling to stop and I said. I looked at him.

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I was like, so why are we stopping? You know where?

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You know this? Maybe this is not the right way,

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he said. Then a pair of eyes at the front

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of the car, like we're looking at this car from behind.

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way they're like amber colored, was looking straight at us.

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so dark how you shot a light there's the light

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just gets uh swallowed up by the dark. And then

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those eyes started drifting, started drifting into the tree light.

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Not drifting, but like when somebody's staring at you. You

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could see like a figure, like a very dark I

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mean it's super dark figure. You could see it. The

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eyes were bobbing, and then the eyes and the figure

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went into the tree line, and all three of us

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looked at each other, me and my parents, and I said, okay,

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I said we should just get out of here. So

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my dad, without any hesitation, backed up the truck. We

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picked another road. Thankfully, it was the one that led

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to Highway fifty eight, and we made our way home. Now,

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I never we got home, and I just looked at

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my dad, like, what did we see? And he said,

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I think we've seen something that didn't want to be seen.

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And he never elaborated after that, Like years went by.

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We never talked about it really until I'll say, let's

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say about ten years later we talked about it. And yeah,

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that was my first encounter. This is the last time

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telling this story, and I wanted on the record that

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I'm not telling this story after this. This is the

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final time I'm gonna tell it. I got no inclination

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to lie about what I see, So I'm gonna say

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say what I what I saw. It was the evening

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of May second. I know this because this May second

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was my birthday and I had to drop my my

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grandparents home. I drove from Edmonton, as I said earlier,

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eight hour drive, drove up the High Level with my grandparents.

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Drop my grandparents off at my Auntie's place, and they

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wanted to still want to go home that night. They

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just want to stop there and go see her, and

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you know, just go see her, go see my auntie

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and my uncle. I went and see my brother. My

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little brother was with me during the eight hour trip.

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My brother, the one I was talking about earlier. He

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went to his house and we were visiting and talking

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about I don't know our plans for the night. It

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was my birthday. He was he said we should go

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out to the pub and go enjoy ourselves. I'm like,

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I don't know. I said, I'm just kind of want

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to drive the grandparents home and come home and sleep.

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And he was like, come on, man, let's go do something.

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It's like, I'm not really I'm not really into it

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right now, I said, I said, how about we just

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drive home? So my grandma call me, and she's she

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got ready to get picked up. Come pick up me

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and grandpa and drive us home to Boyer. My grandparents

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lived in a small reservation between High Level and the

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one I grew up was called Boyer River, and she

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lived by like around farmers and stuff like that. So

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there's like fields and tree lines and fields and country roads,

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so it wasn't nothing like a goat trail roads like

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where I grew up. And so I picked her up

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and asked. My brothers said, okay, come with me and

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since go driving home. So we did. We made the trip.

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She lived about forty minutes east of High Level down

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Highway fifty eight, and there's a turnoff. It's actually because

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it's like a lot of farmers, there was like a

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lot of ways to get there, to get through her house,

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so we had one specific way. It was the fastest.

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Drove in, took her back, and I was just bringing

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her clothes in and stuff she bought and her groceries

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and asked. It was probably about eleven thirty that night.

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And if you anybody who's growing up in the northern

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part of Canada, like you know, Canada is already north,

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but I mean further North during the spring and summer.

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It never gets dark, even already in May, like it'll

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be dark for maybe about four and a half maybe

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four and a half five hours, so it's kind of

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like dusk. Basically, you can still see things from a

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distance if you have flashlight and stuff flashlight. And my

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grandma said to me, so, my my Noesip, which means

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my grandchild in Cree, be careful when you go home tonight.

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And I said, why is that. She said, just be careful,

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and she handed me a bottle of wild turkey. I

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think it's bourbon, think it's whiskey. I'm not really a

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I don't drink alcohol really, So she gave me a bottle.

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She's like, you might need this when you get home.

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So I was like, well whatever, So I put it

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in a bag. I put it in my trunk. I

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told my brother's like, all right, we're going. So we

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left and it was probably about midnight the laughter twelve.

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We were talking about just whatever stuff we're talking about,

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like the latest video games, we're talking about the postseason,

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you know, we watch hockey, I don't know, just general things.

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We're just just discussing. And that's when everything went dark.

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I know it sounds cliche, but everything literally legitimately went dark.

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You couldn't see that because normally late at night at

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that time of the year, you can still see the horizon.

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You can still see the northwest where the sun is,

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you can see the horizon lights up, and we couldn't

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see it on this section of road, and I yusually later.

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I had asked my mom, like, how haunted is this road?

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She's like, oh, you'll see things you don't want to see,

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that's all she said. You elaborate, but I've seen things

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that I didn't see what didn't want to see. Sorry,

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And so it got dark, couldn't see the horizon. I

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just looked at my brother, like, what's up with this?

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He goes, uh, I don't know how fast you're going.

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I looked down and I'm doing a one hundred klometers. There's

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not really that many deer in the area where I

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grew up, Like, there's probably more predators than there is deer,

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so seeing it deer is very uncommon, and you're more

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likely to see a wolf or a bear or a

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coyote or something like something that that's not a deer.

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So I dropped a gear, you know, I drove a

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manual transmission. I dropped a gear and then I went

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down to about eighty kilometers bro. I was like, uh,

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I'm gonna slow down so just in case something jumps

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out at us, I said to him, and he's like, hey,

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don't say that. And as I said that, I looked up,

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like look at straight at the highway. As we're going westbound,

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there a light, uh, a light legitimately came down from

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thin air like nowhere. It was a soft light. It

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wasn't a beaming light. It was like it was a

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really soft light. And that light that's the best way

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I could explain it. It's it's like somebody took a

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hammer hit that light and then stuff started pouring out

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of it. And that's the best way I can explain it.

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And I started slowing down evenmore, took the car out

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of gear, put it in third, and I was just

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like I looked at over at my brother. I was like, okay,

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is that you seeing that too? And he's like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's like he's like, uh, always like step on it.

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So I sped up, kicked it in forth. We're doing

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about eighty eighty five and as that as that that

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light just faded away, and there it was on the

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driver's side of the road, a tall figure and it

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had the face of a dog, had the body. It

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was bipedal. It was bipedal, so it stood on two legs.

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It had arms, It had hands, and these hands like

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the skin of the hands that I remember that. I

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always remember the hands because it reminded me of a raccoon.

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If you never see a raccoon's hands, how they are

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are like small palms but long fingers. I guess there's

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you can say. But the way it stood up and

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looked at us, and it and I asked my brother,

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I's like, do you remember the thing greening at us?

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He said, yeah, it grained at us. And I was like,

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and I do remember now it kind of had like

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it showed its teeth. I don't know, show its teeth

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is grenning. And the thing got down on four four

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four feet forward on all four limbs and ran across,

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not towards the car, but just literally ran across. And

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I swear, I swear my mom's grave that I hid it. Oh.

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So I looked at my brother was like, he's like,

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go go, go, go, go go go. You just kept

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out saying, go, go, go, And my brother never panics.

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This guy is cool as a cucumber. When he panics,

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I panics. So again, I still had it in fourth gear,

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and I stepped on it till I couldn't go any

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faster and put it in fifth gear. And then the

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horizon we could see the horizon again. But during that time,

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and I always remember the smell if you if you

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grew up around Uh, around the swampy area, the smell

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of muskeke in the summertime. It smells the rod and

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flesh future it smell. It's uh. When you smell it,

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you cannot get it out of your out of your mind,

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the way it smells. And that's exactly how it smelled

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when we when that thing went under the car, like

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in front and under. I believe. I Oh, and that's

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where we're gonna.

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Speaker 1: I was like.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we gotta stop. I said, we gotta stop.

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And he's like, okay, I said stop at the gas station.

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So there was a gas station called uh Chaw Services

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and it's on UH just off the highway on another reservation.

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We pull in and then I get out, and the

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first thing I do is I spark up a cigarette.

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I'm just shaking and I'm like wondering and pacing and

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I'm like, oh my goodness, this is man, this is uh.

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I can't believe what I just seen. And my brother

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looks at me, you can't believe it. He's like, he's like,

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let's go check your car. So we went behind my car.

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I had a I had an old Dodge Neon, like

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an O three little Dodge Neon. The you know, at

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the time was the recession that needed something cheap to

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get around, and so I just bought this car. And

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if you ever seen a Dodge Neon, the back part,

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the back bumpers all one big piece, and there was

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hair stuck between the fender would where the top of

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the tires and then right where the the bumper meet

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there's a little sea, a little opening, and there was hair,

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like coarse hair. For anybody who's hunted, if you ever

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shot a bear or a buffalo, when you when you're

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taking the fur off of the hide, and you know

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how thick it is, like it's so thick that you

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could throw at a needle. But the smell, the musk,

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the musky smell off of it was horrible. It was

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just it was like like rotting flesh like it. It

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smells so bad. So I went and grabbed when grabbed

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the when She'll wash is a small when She'll wash

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bucket there, grabbed it and I threw it on my

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car like it was smelling. It was so bad to

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smell was in my car. So I just threw it

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all on the car there and I was just kicking

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the that little spot so anything else was stuck under there,

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try my best to get that smell out. I was

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looking at the air and I was just like, I

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gotta wash my hands, and so I took a water bottle,

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washed my hands and I looked at my brother and

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I said, okay, man, this is Should we tell anybody

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about this? He goes, you think they'll even believe what? Yeah,

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I don't know, I said. Maybe. I was like, I

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can't tell you, man, I said, but I can't tell

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you what I saw, but I can say I can

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tell people what I see. He's like, yeah, So we

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kept it under wraps for a couple of years. Less

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than a handful of people know about what what happened.

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We made our way back and I got to my

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parents' place and I just yeah, that was it was

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something that that ball of wild turkey. Yeah as wild turkey.

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I remember I didn't drink it. I just left it

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on the table. I was going to open it, and

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I was just like, I I don't know, I just

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left it there. I get I remember giving it away

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to somebody. But maybe think now about what my grandma said.

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My grandma said, you might need it. Be careful out there.

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You never know what you're going to see. Anyway. Yeah,

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that's what happened. I was the event.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's nice. You're never going to forget. Neither were

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your brother. No, yeah, i'd say not. You feel that

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in a way having these dog me and encounters was

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a good thing. Please expand on that for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad was a traditionalist.

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Speaker 1: Heavily believes in the old ways, and at the time

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I didn't know, Like I was young and young, and

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I wasn't really confident in myself.

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Speaker 2: But since the encounter in the event in two thousand

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and nine, I have a better handle on dealing with

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things that are you know, like people don't have a

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better handle on I'm like, not just dealing with paranormal

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but with situations where you have to step up and

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do the right thing, make an executive decision, dealing with

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difficult things in your life. Ever since that event in

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two thousand and nine, I can handle it more. I

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can deal with it. And my dad said, my dad

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told me, son, that was what that encounter, what you've

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been through he said, whatever it was, he said, it

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was it tested your metal, tested you. And if you

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can encounter that, encounter that and deal with it, he said,

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there are things in life that are going to be

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coming up in your life. Is that you can you

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are going to be able to deal with not easier,

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but you can deal with it with confidence. And you know,

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at the time when it happened, I didn't I didn't

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believe in it. That is this whole man talking about

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like you know, I don't. I don't. I don't, I

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don't believe what he said what he said. But now

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as I'm getting older, yeah, I think about that time

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when I want when I encounter at that event, and

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then I think about the things that came through with

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my life in the last fifteen years. It's like, yeah,

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I can handle it, but that don't mean I'm going

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to go looking for it like that's that's the difference

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my Sometimes the unknown will just show up and show

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its face, and some days people some people candles, some

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people can't. But I don't go out of my way

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to go look for it. If it chows up my doorstep,

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I'll do with it accordingly. But I'm not gonna go

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hunt for it.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you're not. You told your wife about your encounters,

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and before you did that, you didn't think she was

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gonna believe you. Why so.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think she was gonna believe me because my

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wife is is a very she's a factual person. She

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needs to see the fact she needs she's needs to

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see the numbers to believe it in order to in

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order to really grasp of just about anything in her life.

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But at the same time, she's she's a really devout

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Christian person. She's a she's she heavy believe. She's she's

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a believed in the in the Word of the the

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Good Word, the Bible and all that all that business.

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00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: And uh.

473
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,119
Speaker 2: When I did tell her, I was just like I

474
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,960
was ready for ready, cool, Like I was like, okay,

475
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,880
here we go, Like she's gonna tease me and stuff.

476
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400
She wholeheartedly believed me, and she said, she told me,

477
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,400
she's that's the most like she knew. She knew it

478
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,000
was a genuine I was genuinely, I was genuinely telling

479
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,680
the truth. She just knew, and not because she she

480
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,920
loved me, not because she was my wife, and not

481
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,279
because we were friends. But she said, I felt it.

482
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,799
Your words are true. And over the years that we've

483
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,359
been together, I told her that story every once in

484
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,319
a while when we're traveling or we're we're just sitting

485
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,680
and having a coffee and having a conversation, and I

486
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,000
tell her about the time what I saw as she's

487
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,079
and before I came on to your program, she said,

488
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,119
your story never And I said, why would it change? Said,

489
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:06,799
I don't need to add embellishments. I don't need to

490
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:11,680
add things that are unnecessary. I said, this is as

491
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,079
truthful as I can tell it. And yeah, that's that's when. Yeah,

492
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,960
she truly believed, believes even today that she still believes

493
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,680
that my encounter is very real.

494
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,119
Speaker 3: Your wife sure sounds like a keeper to me. You're

495
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:32,880
a lucky man. Yeah, she's amazing. She sure sounds like it.

496
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,240
When you had that encounter at ninety nine, and watch

497
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:39,480
those eyes disappear into the tree line. How far were

498
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:40,319
they from your car?

499
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:53,759
Speaker 2: I would say a parpoles length, so about between forty

500
00:33:54,119 --> 00:34:03,079
and forty and sixty meters and that. But one of

501
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,920
the details that you remember, though, is we were it

502
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,360
was an inclined It was a grade. It wasn't very steep.

503
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880
But where how the car was parked. It was the

504
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,719
that car was the facing upwards, and it wasn't by much.

505
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,840
It wasn't a very steep grade. That's what That's what

506
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,719
we knew, because that's when we knew it was. It

507
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,639
was something because behind it you would not build to

508
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,320
see trees behind it, just the sky and it was

509
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,199
snowing off and on that night it was snowing lots.

510
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,639
It was snowing very hard. Then it was snowing a

511
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,719
little bit, and it was snowing. Then it was just

512
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:50,360
blowing snow. But I remember the snow. It was very pliable.

513
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,639
Uh we call it wet snow. You know where you

514
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,920
can make a you can make a snowman out of it.

515
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,199
It's very pliable snow. So the track when you when

516
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,079
the snow is pliable, the tracks you can hear. It

517
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,800
makes it a very distinct sound. It's not quite a

518
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,199
crunching sound. It's like when your shoes are wet and

519
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,719
you're walking on a floor, it makes like a squeaking sound.

520
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:20,320
And my mom, God bless her, she was a heavy smoker.

521
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,440
So I had to roll my window down and you

522
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,960
can hear the footsteps. And then I asked my dad,

523
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,440
like you hear that. He's like, yeah, kinda sort of.

524
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,880
And we had to heat blasted, obviously, because we were

525
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,639
trying to keep the windshield from freezing up. But I

526
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,840
always like that we didn't. We didn't go looking after.

527
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:44,400
We just backed up and backed out and left. And

528
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,480
I'm glad that my dad made that decision.

529
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: All that you are glad? Yeah, I don't blame you.

530
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:53,760
Do you think your inability to see it very clearly

531
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,559
was due to how heavy the snow was coming down

532
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,760
or how dark it was.

533
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: Uh So, I do have a question for you. Vic.

534
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,639
When you look up in the sky, you notice that

535
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,599
you can't see a scar, But when your eyes are

536
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,519
away from that star, you can see it.

537
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: I do.

538
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 2: It's exactly like that. When you don't look at it directly,

539
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,920
you can't really make out what you saw, But when

540
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,840
you look away at your peripheral there was something. There

541
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,880
was a mass of something there. I'm not gonna say

542
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,440
it was bipedal or not. It was just a mass,

543
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,639
like you know, it was just like like like some

544
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,800
kind of like a like a cowl or a veil

545
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,000
around it. I guess that's the best way I can

546
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:50,039
explain it. So, when you looked at directly, yeah, you

547
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,159
couldn't really see the couldn't really you know, you couldn't

548
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,079
really see the details of it. But when you look away, yeah,

549
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,599
it was there.

550
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: No, that makes sense. That's one of the peculiar things

551
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,119
about our vision as humans. Somehow, your night vision is

552
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,320
better when you're not looking directly at something. Just like

553
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,239
you talked about, if you look away from something of interest,

554
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,760
just look away a little bit, in a lot of cases,

555
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,079
you'll be able to see it better then if you're

556
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,039
looking right at it. I don't understand it, but I've

557
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,440
noticed that before myself. Your dad told me that what

558
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,000
you saw must not have wanted to be seen. Did

559
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:27,840
anyone ever tell you that it was bad luck to

560
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,639
see a dog man?

561
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: It was in general in our culture, it's bad luck

562
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,559
to see anything that's not supposed to be seen. Dog

563
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,679
man or the other thing. That I don't want to

564
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:50,079
see what it is spirits in general, because and I'm spiritually,

565
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,039
the spirits that come out, we don't know their intentions.

566
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:59,320
We don't know if it's going to bring good luck

567
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,119
to to you and your family, or if it's going

568
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,519
to put a curse on you, or if it's you know,

569
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,559
it just wants to say hi. The intentions of the

570
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:14,679
seeing these things or yeah, we don't know what they are.

571
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,800
That's why they're very not as often as talked about

572
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,760
or even openly talked about among our among our people.

573
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 3: Oh no, I understand, and of course I respect that

574
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:28,360
you told us that your grandmother knew that you were

575
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,960
going to have that second encounter before it even happened.

576
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,239
How do you think she knew?

577
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: Uh, my grandma knew a lot of things that she

578
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:43,079
never told us, like let on, she's she grew up

579
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:47,840
in a very a very remote area as well, like

580
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,440
where she grew up, and she always to tell us

581
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,800
the stories about the paranormal, about you know, uh, seeing

582
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,320
and hearing things in the kitchen and oh this is

583
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,000
what this is the one that she told me about

584
00:39:04,039 --> 00:39:06,000
about a dog that they found up in the tree.

585
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,679
A dog's Yeah, that's That's the one that really got

586
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,840
me is that they a dog had climbed a tree

587
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,920
and they had to put it down because that dog

588
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:20,599
was possessed. I mean, I always told her like, I mean,

589
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,400
I was like, I was young and stupid, and I

590
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,199
mean not young, I was young and naive, and I

591
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,360
was like, that's that's just story stuff like that. You know,

592
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:36,119
you know, I don't believe it. But all these things

593
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,559
that she told us when we were kids about the paranormal,

594
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:44,039
like it's I was. I didn't want to believe it

595
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,519
because I was, like I was, you know, it's too

596
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:50,639
far fetched. A very practical person, it's a little too

597
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,119
far fetched. And I do respect the values of people's

598
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,000
cultures and my culture in general, but I just like

599
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,000
chokingly giggled about it until well, until the event that

600
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,519
I just told you what happened back in two thousand

601
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:05,840
and nine.

602
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: Well, the world is a happier place to live in

603
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,079
when you don't believe in things like that. But unfortunately

604
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,599
they're real. They're out there, and you know that, now, yeah,

605
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,000
you do. You didn't see that dog, mean when you

606
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:22,960
had the second encounter, until after you saw that strange light,

607
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,679
do you think that you might have been connected somehow.

608
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:36,119
Speaker 2: I do believe it. That was way too like. It

609
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:40,280
had to be. It had to be. It had to

610
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:44,760
do something with a dog man, because that's just something

611
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,480
that just doesn't occur naturally, even in nature. And I

612
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:51,960
spent a lot of time, like I spent a lot

613
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,280
of time in the in the wilderness. I'm a hunter.

614
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,760
We go hunting, me and my dad we go. I

615
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,039
go hunting with my friends. You know, I've seen a

616
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:05,559
lot of questionable things out out in the wilderness, but that,

617
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:11,000
and you know, drone technology wasn't a thing back in

618
00:41:11,039 --> 00:41:14,000
two thousand and nine, So it had to do something

619
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,960
with a dog man. It had to be. And I

620
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,400
don't want to know more about it, but I know

621
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,119
what they had to do with it.

622
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's not lost on you that quite a

623
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,360
few eyewitnesses have reported seeing things like that before they

624
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,280
have their encounter. So yeah, it probably was connected. You know,

625
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,920
it's fairly intricate details about that dog man's hands. That

626
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,480
means that you must have been pretty close to it

627
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:40,039
at the time.

628
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: How close were you, I would say probably use feet

629
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:52,000
because from for your American listeners, it came in terms

630
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:56,760
of feet, it was probably. So I was driving about

631
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:03,760
sixty sixty kilombers an hour, and I know my speeds

632
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:10,920
because I'm also also a truck driver, so I was okay.

633
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:14,599
So I was doing about forty kilometers an hour, close

634
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:19,039
to thirty forty, and it came up on us. I've

635
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:22,920
seen it right at s right where the light is out.

636
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:33,519
That'sbout forty feet. And when it got on all four

637
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,480
to run, that's when I seen its hands as it

638
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:39,400
was as I was walking towards the middle of the road,

639
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:43,280
I seen its hands before it got on all fours,

640
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:50,280
dashed across the road. And like I said, it's long fingers,

641
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:56,320
but small palms like a raccoon. And you could like

642
00:42:56,519 --> 00:43:00,760
under the like the palms, what would be like it

643
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:06,639
was the skin was black like like not like black

644
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,519
like almost like rubber like uh, like a matte black.

645
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,840
It wasn't shiny. It was just like a matte black.

646
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,679
And that all and the and the the tips of

647
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:25,000
the fingers weren't they weren't like uh, you know, you're

648
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,039
you know what you see like in uh pop culture

649
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,639
werewolf for there's like long finger nails, right, but remember

650
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:40,199
the nails were almost like how our nails are, like

651
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:46,639
like they were flat, but they were longer. Yeah, I

652
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:50,119
do remember that because then when it got on all fours,

653
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,159
the when the hand touched the pavement, this kind of

654
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,159
remember is it the hand got whiter, like it widened out,

655
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,280
kind of like a duck, you know, on a duck

656
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,880
walk on his feet. That's its feet white. Note, just

657
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,679
like that. It wasn't I'm not saying it was web

658
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:12,400
but its hands white. Note. Then yeah, dashed across the

659
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,280
road and it we must we had to we hit

660
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
it because there was hair and hair in the smell

661
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,079
and the snow. My goodness, I'll never forget that snow.

662
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: Ever, that must have stumped pretty bad. It sounds like

663
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,920
it left an impression on you, and understandably so listening

664
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,199
to you describe how its hands looked when it went

665
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,199
down onto all fours, if I have you correctly, does

666
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,840
that mean that when it went down onto its hands

667
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,639
that it wasn't on its knuckles. Its fingers were out

668
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:48,639
straight and it was on its palms. Yeah, okay, that

669
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,599
makes sense because with claws like that, Yeah, if you

670
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,480
knuckle them under, that could cause all sorts of problems. Yeah, okay, yeah,

671
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,920
that makes sense. What I don't under stand is, of

672
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,199
all the directions that could have gone, it ran right

673
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,480
in front of your Knon. Do you think it wanted

674
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,480
you to hit it?

675
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 2: It wanted to be known. That's that's the conclusion my

676
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,280
brother got. It wanted to It wanted us to know

677
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,199
that it's out there.

678
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, it definitely gave you an education on that. Yeah, yeah,

679
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:26,440
i'd say it did. It sounds to me like you

680
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,599
never did see it after you ran over it. Is

681
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:29,239
that accurate?

682
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've after that after the event. Uh, the next

683
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:41,119
part from uh, that's when it solidified what I seen. Yeah,

684
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:45,320
but yeah, but physically, no, never seen it. I've seen

685
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,440
other things, but not that.

686
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,119
Speaker 3: Did you ever check the rear view after you ran

687
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:51,559
over it?

688
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,199
Speaker 2: No? I was way too terrified to look back. I

689
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,639
just like I said, I picked up gears and I

690
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:02,559
got out other right to your chaw services.

691
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: I did not look back in my mirror. Well, I

692
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,239
can't fault you for that. After you did run over,

693
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,440
you said you went to that gas station to check

694
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,079
your car. How far was that gas station from where

695
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:14,599
you hit it?

696
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,559
Speaker 2: I was so I was doing about I wasn't fourth gear,

697
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,719
so eighty CBS by like five minutes away.

698
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: Oh that's still pretty close. Did you have your head

699
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,639
on a swivel in case it was able to follow you?

700
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,559
Speaker 2: Uh? No, I kept my eye on the road because again,

701
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,159
like the area was dark, like unnaturally dark. And my

702
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,039
brother kept on looking in the review mirror, looking around,

703
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:47,480
and uh, like I told you earlier, she's a father dude,

704
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:53,559
he never panicks. And this man panicked and when he panics,

705
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:55,800
like I panic and it's not a good thing.

706
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have an experience like that and it will

707
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,000
intend to make panic even if you're pretty stout and

708
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,960
a pretty calm customer. You told us about the fur

709
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,360
that you found after you did stop. But was your

710
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,519
car damaged at all?

711
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: No, that's uh that's the thing that got me. Uh

712
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,280
I was expecting. Uh so, Doug ne On. It's a

713
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,199
front wheel drive car, so the back is sitting on

714
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,880
you know, like these smaller frames like these, Uh, you

715
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,920
know they're not very they're not very well built car.

716
00:47:32,039 --> 00:47:36,639
And uh I went looking under there, like I know

717
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:40,480
all my way around a vehicle fixed a lot of vehicles.

718
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,559
You know. I'm I'm a backyard mechanic. I'm not a

719
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:48,239
certified mechanic, backyard mechanic. But I always I looked around

720
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,559
under it, around it. That was the only spot that

721
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,519
had the fur was in that scene between the bumper

722
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,159
and the back panel, like the back part of the car,

723
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,239
like there were the on the sides of the trunk

724
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,320
like right there like that. That seem that's the only

725
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,360
place I found it. When I looked under my car,

726
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,599
like under the back tire of the passenger side. Nothing,

727
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,679
no damage, there's nothing wrong with it. And uh yeah,

728
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,360
after the next day, I obviously I washed my car,

729
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,679
but I was expecting to see more hair or like

730
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,840
anything like fall out of them, fall out out from

731
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,039
under the undercarriage. Nothing. It just left that little bit

732
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:39,360
of hair.

733
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 3: That's awfully strange, but not exactly unprecedented. Over the years,

734
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,880
I've spoken with several eyewitnesses who have hit these things,

735
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,400
run over them, and when they stop and get out

736
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,239
to check no damage. I don't know what's behind that,

737
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,679
but it might point towards them being supernatural beings, which

738
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,920
that brings me to my next question with do you

739
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,840
think that's what they are?

740
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: Me personally, absolutely, absolutely, one hundred percent. There's the best

741
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,039
way I could say it is what most of My

742
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:20,920
grandfather always said is the unknown, Like if we were

743
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
meant to know about it would be right in front

744
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,320
of us. We would have access to it, touch it,

745
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:30,800
taste and smell it. That that thing had to be supernatural,

746
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:32,719
had to be.

747
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 3: I think you're right. That would explain a lot of

748
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,039
the things they do. It would explain all that neatly.

749
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:44,599
So I agree. In twenty sixteen, you found out that

750
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,000
your uncle had an encounter more than likely with the

751
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,000
dog man. Was he still alive in twenty sixteen when

752
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,599
he found out about his experience?

753
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and uh I had spoken to him. Is

754
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:04,599
my uncle is my mom's younger brother, and he, Uh,

755
00:50:04,639 --> 00:50:09,440
so what happened. We're at a funeral my mom's sister past,

756
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,880
and after the service and everything, we have like a

757
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,480
big get together. We cook, we sit down, we laugh,

758
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:23,519
we share stories about the person who's past. My mom

759
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,079
is me Tea, so she's uh. They have their own

760
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,320
traditions apart from being like Cree, I'm Cree, but my

761
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,320
mom's me Tea. And we had a big, a big dinner,

762
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,679
probably like one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty people,

763
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:44,079
and uh, everybody loved my auntie. She was a great person.

764
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:48,000
And my mom she's a she was a social butterfly

765
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,599
among her family, and she would walk around and talk

766
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:54,920
to everybody. She loved everybody, and everybody loved my mom.

767
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,800
And my wife was standing right beside me, and this

768
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,280
is exactly what happened. My wife was said beside me,

769
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,920
and I was talking to my sister and my niece.

770
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,440
And my sister said, where are you going. It's like,

771
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,920
I'm going to get ready. I'm going to go home.

772
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,360
She's like, okay, well it's gonna get late, and that's

773
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,199
what are you doing. She's like, I'm staying high level

774
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,760
for the night and then we're going to go home tomorrow.

775
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,079
So and then my mom walks over and she's smiling

776
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,519
and laughing. I was like, okay, Mom. She goes yeah,

777
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,079
She's like, oh, your uncle, so my brother, my little brother,

778
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:35,000
is so silly. And I was just like, oh, uh, well,

779
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:37,920
what happened? I said? What did he do? And my

780
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,280
uncle was you know he sometimes he'd tell a good

781
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,639
joke and we'd laugh and have a good time. You know,

782
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,119
he he's funny. But my mom was like, she's laughing,

783
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:52,760
and she put her hand. I remember put her hand

784
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,039
on my shoulders, she said, And I never told my

785
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:57,239
mom about the event in two thousand and nine, and

786
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,320
never told her ever and nobody I never told her

787
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,679
till after. And uh, your uncle told me a silly story.

788
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,239
I was like, oh, yeah, what's it about. Oh he's

789
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,920
seen this giant, this giant dog man with a white

790
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:18,599
face run across the road just outside of Challe Services

791
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:24,239
one night, but you know by Rocky Lane. Even just

792
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:32,159
saying that right now, just but yeah, and my heart's ink.

793
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,880
I looked at my wife. I had told my wife already,

794
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,159
so she knew about it. And my wife her face

795
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,719
was dropped and she like looked at me, and my

796
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,559
mom goes, what, man, what's wrong? I'm like, nothing at nothing.

797
00:52:47,159 --> 00:52:48,639
I said, when you get ready, we're gonna go home.

798
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:51,360
You sure want to go home? At streets and rain

799
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,360
and I'm like, I'll be fine, somebody just go home

800
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:58,880
not feeling good. So she hugged me, and she's like, okay, well,

801
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,440
I love yes, I love you too. I went out

802
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,559
to the parking lot and I see my uncle Larry

803
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,239
was having a smoke and pulled up to him. It

804
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:11,519
was just me and him. My wife was inside, shaking hands,

805
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,599
hugging people. I was just like talking to him. So

806
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,960
my mom told me about you've seen something down by

807
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,280
Rocky Lane there, and he's like, yeah, holy Smoke's nephew.

808
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,599
He said that thing was taul probably like eight maybe

809
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:31,199
ten feet. He said, it just tad like hands. Is

810
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,320
it just like black hands? It ran across the road

811
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:36,679
and he's like, I ran it over. I had to

812
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,559
run it over. And he had a a lifted truck.

813
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:45,199
I remember he had a like a lifted Chevy and

814
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,639
it's a big truck like it's it's a diesel, like

815
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,519
it's a Duramaxis. Thinking, I think, what a plottery he

816
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,639
would have. Probably people would ruined the front end if

817
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,840
he plowed right into it. He said he'd ran across.

818
00:53:57,559 --> 00:54:00,599
He swerved to the driver's side of the of the

819
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,519
lane like the I would say, to the left side

820
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,320
of the lane, like on onto oncoming traffic. There's no traffic,

821
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,559
mind you, but onto the oncoming traffic side of the road.

822
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,079
And he said, he said, I thought I hit it.

823
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,679
I thought I hit it. I said, you go look

824
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:18,199
around your truck to see you if you hit it.

825
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,880
He's like, yeah, I went looking around he said, didn't

826
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,559
see nothing. I said, but it just he said, smelled bad.

827
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,719
He said, it smelled like, uh, it smelled like a

828
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,079
new He's like when you go on a hunt and

829
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,280
you leave the beat out too long. So before you

830
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,239
before you you know, before you skin the moose or

831
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,079
you you're kill when you leave it out too long,

832
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,800
it smells like that. And asked them, I said, do

833
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,800
you think was it like how does a face look?

834
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440
I asked it like it was it white or like

835
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:56,559
a cream color? He said, no, it's like a He said,

836
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:58,800
it was like a He's like, what it was like

837
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:04,440
a white like? He said, like an eggshell white looking face.

838
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,880
I said. They didn't show its teeth. He said, yeah,

839
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:11,159
just up front. He said, yeah, two teeth sticking out

840
00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,599
in the front. But it ran, he said, it ran

841
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,440
just like really, like like like a person who got

842
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,599
down on four of all four limbs and ran across

843
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:27,400
the road. And I said, yeah, I said, I seen

844
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,000
that years ago. I said, back in two thousand and nine,

845
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:35,400
I took grandma home. Grandma, it's his mother, So I

846
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,760
took grandma home to uh back the boy, I said,

847
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,840
I mean me and my brother seeing that. He guy

848
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,440
was like, really, I just heard stories about it, but

849
00:55:48,039 --> 00:55:49,760
they didn't think it was real. I said, well, it

850
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,840
sounds like it's pretty real if you and me seen it,

851
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,920
And he said, who knows, maybe other people seeing it

852
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,760
to jask A Alan. I said, yeah, that's gonna that's

853
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,400
look gonna look good on me going asking around. Hey, man,

854
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,840
did you see a big twelve foot dog man walking

855
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,440
around around the bushes? So you know how you know

856
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,400
how ridiculous how would sound? And he laughed. He said,

857
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,719
it ain't ridiculous if you've actually seen it and it's real.

858
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,400
I said, yeah, Well, I don't know, I said. I

859
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,519
told him, I don't know if I'll even bother telling

860
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:25,239
anybody else. I'm always gonna believe me anyway. Yeah, well

861
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,599
that's what I saw. He gave me a little cigarette,

862
00:56:29,159 --> 00:56:31,239
gave me a hug, so I love your nephew. He said,

863
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,159
you take care of yourself for gonna head home. I said,

864
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:39,840
I'm gonna head home. Yeah, that's that's what he told me.

865
00:56:41,039 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, Ken, sure sounds to me like dog

866
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,239
me in the counters running your family.

867
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:50,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to see it again.

868
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 3: I'll bet you don't. I hope you don't.

869
00:56:53,800 --> 00:57:01,079
Speaker 2: Also, uh, here's here's the here's the thing. I'm not

870
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:07,159
saying it's exclusively down Highway fifty eight. But I you know,

871
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:10,320
I used to work in the oil and gas section,

872
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,519
like the oil and gas industry. I did fracking, I

873
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:17,039
did cementing. I worked for big companies, and some of

874
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:22,079
our work took place at night. Like we would get

875
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,440
a phone call and be like, you have to be

876
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,400
at this drilling rig at two thirty in the morning,

877
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,079
be ready at midnight, Like you know, I would be

878
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:35,000
out there working late at night. There's my point is

879
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,960
in all those times I work in the oil and

880
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,440
gas industry where I was working super late, I have

881
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,559
never encountered anything like that. I seen moose, I've seen bear.

882
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:51,239
I seen a duck attack, a duck attack another duck

883
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:56,280
like I seen just you know, animals, but nothing like

884
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,119
this ever. So I don't like, I've never seen anything

885
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:04,199
that during my time of traveling to where to and

886
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,239
from late at night. That was the only time as

887
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,280
I was up there. I don't know. I say the

888
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,000
dog man is in Canada, only it's exclusively up there,

889
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:21,960
But I don't know. I can't I can't really say

890
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:22,440
much on that.

891
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,679
Speaker 3: Well, sounds to me like you saw some pretty unusual

892
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:30,039
things while you're driving and doing that, but no dog man.

893
00:58:30,119 --> 00:58:34,079
Thank goodness for that. Yeah, speaking of that, in twenty

894
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,239
twenty two, you were hauling a load when you found

895
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,119
out about another man having a dog mean encounter. What's

896
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:40,639
the story behind his encounter?

897
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, so this isn't until Yeah, twenty twenty two.

898
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:57,719
I was hauling fuel to small communities in winter. They

899
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,800
run on propane and run on diesel. That's like the

900
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,199
only way they can get their furnace is going. And

901
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:10,760
I was hauling and listen to a podcast. I'm not

902
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,679
going to name the name of the podcast if it

903
00:59:15,599 --> 00:59:21,519
has to do this paranormal stories. I was on my

904
00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:25,239
way back home, back to my house. I'm back to

905
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,880
the yard, sorry, and I heard just one podcast and

906
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,320
it was a dog man encounter. It wasn't this podcast specifically,

907
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,519
it was a different one, but this dog man encounter,

908
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,159
this guy was it basically almost the same thing happened

909
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,119
to me, without the weird light that came down. Just

910
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:55,079
a tall, white face, black hand dog man ran across

911
00:59:55,239 --> 01:00:00,760
his vehicle and he thought he hit it, but he didn't.

912
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:05,079
And I was just like oh man, I was just thinking, like, okay,

913
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:09,440
I told somebody. Somebody told somebody, you know, basically telephone

914
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:15,079
the telephone game, and somebody heard my story and they're

915
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,519
putting it out there and I'm being mocked. But this

916
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:25,519
specific encounter that happened happened in nineteen eighty seven in Connecticut.

917
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:30,039
I believe it's Connecticut, but it happened back in the eighties,

918
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,679
in nineteen eighty seven. Like I was just barely walking

919
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,719
and talking, and so I save that. I saved that

920
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,440
podcast that episode. I never spoke to my brother for

921
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:51,400
a couple of years. She was busy doing his own thing.

922
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,079
We were we're still you know, it's my brother. I

923
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,320
talked to him. It's not. Sometimes we just don't communicate.

924
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,039
We're busy with our life and sometimes it goes a

925
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,119
couple of years before we haven't say anything to each other.

926
01:01:05,679 --> 01:01:10,400
But anyway, I called him and I said, hey, I said,

927
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,880
I'm going to send you a link to something, and

928
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,639
I want you to listen to it from this time

929
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:16,599
to this time. And I said, I want you to

930
01:01:16,679 --> 01:01:18,920
get back to me, and he said, what's it for.

931
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,119
I said, just listen to it, trust me, Okay, So

932
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,679
he did not. Even an hour later, he phones back.

933
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:33,400
He said, he said to me, they're those are those

934
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:37,239
things are over there as well? I said, they must be,

935
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:42,519
they must be. They must have always been here, I said,

936
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:47,840
Connecticut to where we're from, thousands and thousands of kilometers away.

937
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,960
And he said, and he asked me, He's like, do

938
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:56,599
you think other people know about this? What do you mean?

939
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,519
He said, do you think other people know about what

940
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:03,159
we saw? Maybe they have a better understanding what it is.

941
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,199
And I said, uh, maybe, And he's like, why do

942
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:12,719
you hesitate? I said, Look, I said, I was like,

943
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,639
I got a decent reputation. I said, I don't want

944
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:17,800
to go out there and start saying I'm like, oh man,

945
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,199
I seen the dog man and they're gonna call me crazy,

946
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,840
Like what if I have to go deal with a

947
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,000
customer and they're gonna look at me like, ohn't you

948
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:27,000
the guy talked about the dog man? And you know,

949
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:30,679
at the time, I was more worried about my image

950
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,320
to other people. But now when I found this podcast

951
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,440
that that where I'm talking to you from, you know,

952
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:42,840
I had to tell my I had to share with

953
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:46,519
what I see and I don't not just know it

954
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:49,199
to me out to my brother and also my mom

955
01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,559
and best to be truthful about it.

956
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:55,719
Speaker 3: Well, it goes without saying, we're glad you decided to

957
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,840
come on and share your experiences. We really appreciate it.

958
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,480
Into it, that's what you said a moment ago. These

959
01:03:01,559 --> 01:03:05,000
things are so widespread it's not even funny. What's about

960
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:06,519
time for us to get out if you're a kid.

961
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,039
But before we do, do you have any clothes in comments.

962
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 2: You'd like to share?

963
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: Uh?

964
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't doubt yourself and what you've seen in during

965
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:22,320
should you encounter a dog man or anything paranormal, Like,

966
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:27,079
don't doubt yourself. I mean, I understand that the human

967
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:35,039
psyche can be manipulated through other illicit means. However, if

968
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:38,239
you believe what you saw what you saw what you saw,

969
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:42,760
don't be afraid to tell somebody that you know for

970
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,519
a fact that we'll we'll believe you because you never know,

971
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:52,760
Like me, telling this might actually help somebody either cope

972
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:57,880
or might help them come out to tell their side

973
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,920
of things of what they've seen.

974
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,239
Speaker 3: Well, those are good words, Ken. I can't thank you

975
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,360
enough for coming on and sharing the details of all

976
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,559
these experiences with us. I really appreciate it. You're welcome,

977
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,960
and if I could ever help you in the future,

978
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:15,519
please let me know. But having said that, thanks against

979
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:17,679
so much for your time and have a great night.