WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.280 Sorry, there's a crisis at the Lucretia household. The kitten 2 00:00:04.320 --> 00:00:07.360 has gotten herself too high to get down and I 3 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:08.199 can't reach her. 4 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:13.960 Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask 5 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:16.359 what you can do for your country. 6 00:00:16.719 --> 00:00:20.480 Mister Gerba Shaw, tear down this wall. 7 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.679 It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lilyx and I'll be 8 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:27.839 talking with Stephen Hayward and Lucretia. Our guest today John Hindrick, 9 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:30.039 who at the center of the American Experiment, to talk 10 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.439 about Well, of course, Governor wats So let's as a 11 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:34.039 podcast and. 12 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:35.200 I'll tell you what I have been doing. 13 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:37.640 I've been voting for common sense legislation that protext as 14 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:39.880 second Amendment. But we can do background checks, we can 15 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:42.119 do CDC research, we can make sure we don't have 16 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:44.679 reciprocal carry amongst state and we can make sure that 17 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:45.880 those weapons of war that I. 18 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.719 Carried in war is the only place where those weapons. 19 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:59.960 Were Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred 20 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:03.759 and three. I'm James Lylyx in Minneapolis, and I'm joined 21 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.200 by Stephen Hayward and Lucretia. And it's like the ship 22 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:10.799 of Perseus, you know, keeps. We keep shedding different pieces, 23 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:13.079 Rob and Peter and adding others, but yet the ship 24 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.640 itself is still the same. When I'm gone, of course, 25 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:18.200 it will still be the Ricochet Flagship Podcast, and you 26 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:20.760 guys can carry on and eventually forget that I ever existed. 27 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.959 But that's the ways of way, I hope. For Now. 28 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.280 We're here today to discuss well, we're going to be 29 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.840 getting to the vice presidential pick with John Hindereker from 30 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.760 power Line in just a little while, but I want 31 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:36.079 you guys to to give me your impression on the 32 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.879 overwhelming sense of joy that we are now, the giddy, 33 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.480 the giddy, infectious enthusiasm, as somebody once said, the fact 34 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:45.640 that we seem as a nation to have awoken from 35 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:51.079 a slumber, of of of of a torporous slumber, and 36 00:01:51.120 --> 00:01:53.680 now we're suffused with this magical sparkle that runs like 37 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.799 electricity through the entire country. I've been led to believe 38 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:59.879 that the future was pretty grim, given that the ism 39 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.239 and the climate change and the rest of the existential 40 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:05.719 crises at face, But apparently we have turned a corner 41 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.640 in America's back. 42 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:07.040 Baby. 43 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.479 So what do you think, James? 44 00:02:09.520 --> 00:02:13.000 Can I offend all of your listeners with what I 45 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:16.840 call it. It's the Kamelama ding dong media gasm. 46 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:26.759 It does drip off the tongue, doesn't it. Now the media, yes, 47 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:31.479 the media is enthusiastic and emboldened by this. I mean, 48 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.680 we're getting really hard stories on Tim Walls, like his 49 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.439 favorite hot dish recipe. But anyway, Stephen, you were going 50 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:37.960 to say. 51 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:43.719 Well, how quickly this is galloping along? Ten days ago 52 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:48.280 we were told that this selection was about vibes. Harris 53 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:51.520 Harris had all the vibes, and this week suddenly became joy. 54 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.960 And once again I thought of a historical parallel. I 55 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.159 drive Lucretia nuts with these. She thinks, I'm I'm wacko. 56 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.120 But the last time we had a candidate who is 57 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.439 about the politics of joy was also a vice president 58 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:09.039 succeeding a president who dropped out mid campaign from Minnesota. 59 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.000 Right the minute you said it, Yeah, right, the great 60 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.280 Hubert Humphrey was all about the politics of joy, and 61 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:20.719 boy did he have an unjoyful campaign and an unjoyful result. 62 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.800 I think we're going to repeat that, not exactly the same, 63 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:26.280 but I think we're going to see the same pattern. 64 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.400 Agrecia, why is it. Why does it drive you nuts 65 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:33.360 when he brings up Hubert Hmphrey, I mean Humphy. 66 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:36.319 No, No, it doesn't drive me. I call him analogy man. 67 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:41.000 He doesn't drive me nuts that he brings up Hubert Humphrey. 68 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.560 What drives me a little bit nuts is that Steve 69 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.120 can manage to find and not always apt historical analogy 70 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:51.759 to just about anything, as if history just repeats itself 71 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:54.439 over and over and over in exactly the same way. 72 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:56.599 No, no, no, no, it's it's not. 73 00:03:57.360 --> 00:04:00.680 I'll use the apocryphal Mark Twain line. History doesn't repeat itself, 74 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:03.800 but it rhymes. I think that's what we're saying, and 75 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:04.360 that would. 76 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:08.240 I thought that was George Lucas well. I mean, yes, 77 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:12.120 we do look back and and it's it's inevitable, and 78 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.280 it's natural to find parallels like this, the Minnesota, the Joy, 79 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.519 the rest of it. But let us focus, perhaps just 80 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.560 on the joy itself. I'm not opposed to joy in 81 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:22.399 an election. I kind of like it as a matter 82 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:27.279 of fact. I While I like the idea of somebody 83 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.879 laying out a clear path to get ourselves out of 84 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.279 the numerous morasses in which we find ourselves, there is 85 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.279 something quitch essentially American about having that bright spirit, that 86 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.079 that inner Norman Rockwell glow to your face that attracts people. 87 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.040 You can't, I mean, you can't glower and frown and 88 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.000 be dismissive and sarcastic and bitter in the rest of 89 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.480 it and expect people to come to the polls to 90 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.879 vote for anything. But you know, grim sullen duty, and 91 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.000 sometimes grim sullen duty will get you the election. But 92 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:57.879 what's what's the matter with joy is what I'm is 93 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:58.480 what I'm saying. 94 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:04.240 What's there to be joyful about? She's an idiot, he's 95 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.079 a draft No, she can't say. You can't call him 96 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:11.199 a draft doctor. That's silly, a stolen valor, a petty 97 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:15.399 tyrant who, in the same breath that he says mind 98 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:18.600 your own business, reminds us that he was. You know, 99 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.720 he locked people in their homes and then encouraged their 100 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.959 neighbors to snitch on them if they actually walked outside 101 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.839 to walk their dog during COVID. He was the absolute worst. 102 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.000 There is nothing to be joyful about either of those 103 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:37.839 far leftist, basic communist idiots. Sorry, I like nothing about 104 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.920 either one of them, Absolutely nothing. You know, I can 105 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.399 find a few things about RFK that I like. I 106 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:44.920 like nothing about those two. 107 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:48.560 What about RFK do you like? I like the fact 108 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:51.040 that he's become a meme into which people drop every 109 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:55.519 single historical event of consequence. Just him sitting there with 110 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.720 his arms crossed, calmly discussing how he was in Sarajevo 111 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.000 in nineteen fourteen in wonder by a coffee. I mean, 112 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:06.720 it's just absolutely delightful. But anyway, to Lucreaseia's point, I mean, 113 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:08.720 what's there to be joyful about? I mean, if you 114 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.439 want to look at the positions of the candidates and 115 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.319 where you think that they would send us on the left, no, 116 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.160 it's not something that fills your heart with a great 117 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.680 deal of joy. But again, we are talking about a 118 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.120 vibe election. We are talking about something where people are apparently, 119 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.800 at least I mean on the left side, are absolutely 120 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.319 enthusiastically energized by the fact that they don't have to 121 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:29.000 pretend that they believe that this doddering man with mashed 122 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.879 potatoes in his brain is somebody for whom they should 123 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.600 feel enthusiasm. I mean, they've got real power and energy 124 00:06:35.680 --> 00:06:38.800 behind them, and I think it's it's to people who 125 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:44.000 aren't particularly engaged on the issues, or don't engage the 126 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.160 extent that you do, or do engage and don't agree 127 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:49.199 with you. This is a powerful motivating thing. Is this 128 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.040 is a real I mean it may be a blast 129 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.639 of nitrous gas, it may wear off, but it's energized them. 130 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.360 So what are the consequences of that? Do we find out? 131 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.079 You know, does the does the right find a way 132 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:07.040 to manifest joy in its own way? Because otherwise we're 133 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:07.920 the lemon suckers? 134 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.759 Right well, I think at least two ways of thinking 135 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:12.160 about this. 136 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.399 One is they're trying to get the jump on Trump 137 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:17.040 by stealing some of Trump's thunder Trump's rallies are these 138 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.399 great joyous affairs. I mean, he's kind of been the 139 00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:22.079 candidate to joy because he's funny in his sort of 140 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.959 sarcastic and attacking way, is sort of don Rickles stick 141 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:25.480 that he does. 142 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.079 And you know, maybe they've got a little off balance. 143 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:30.439 I mean, I think you've made a couple of minor 144 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:35.519 mistakes here in the aftermath of Hamila's ascendants, So they're 145 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.199 trying to steal that. But it's also a tactic second 146 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.879 to avoid any serious media scrutiny which the media is 147 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:45.319 happy to go along with. And it's because it's going 148 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.560 to be a short campaign. They're gambling they can make 149 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.079 it to election day on vibes. To go back to 150 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.519 the original theme of the campaign. I'm skeptical it's going 151 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:59.120 to work only because there's some underlying facts that I 152 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.920 think will reassert themselves. One is a Republican registration has 153 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.879 been surging, especially in the battleground states. Republicans have actually 154 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.160 drawn even or ahead of Democrats and registrations in a 155 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:13.959 lot of places in the country. I think nationally, Republicans 156 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:16.720 are now nearly even with Democrats for the first time 157 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:19.160 in decades. Now you have this third of the country 158 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:23.439 who are independents and they always decide things. Second, the 159 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:26.639 issue map will come back into play. All the top 160 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.560 issues favored Trump. People are concerned about the border, the economy, 161 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.039 national security, abortion, which is supposed to favor Democrats. I 162 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.759 guess it does. It's number six or seven on the 163 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.399 list of important issues for voters. And if the campaign 164 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.600 and if the Trump campaign can get us back around 165 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:48.000 to reminding people what they're unhappy about, I think Harris 166 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.639 will have a harder time dodging and weaving and changing 167 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.360 her positions, and that's going to reassert itself. So I'm 168 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.879 still betting on Trump for a narrow but solid win. 169 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:06.200 Rate. Suggestion on X that Trump should hold a press 170 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:12.440 conference since Kamalama ding Dong won't, and have a TV 171 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:17.279 next to him and ask questions and have the answers 172 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:21.399 be play being kam Lama ding Dong's answers that thinks 173 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.039 that she said in the past come across on the TV. 174 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:28.200 And I think that would be brilliant because I agree 175 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:31.840 with Steve if If and this I unfortunately I don't 176 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:36.600 agree with his optimism on this. If the Trump campaign 177 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:40.440 can get the conversation back to issues, of course, trump wins. 178 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.799 Of course Trump wins, you know, and away from personalities 179 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.559 and so on. I get mad at Republicans who want 180 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.080 to complain that they're, you know, that Trump is not 181 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:54.000 focusing on issues. But it's a little bit difficult right 182 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:55.799 now for him to push forward on this when he 183 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.879 gets absolutely zero help from the press. So he's gonna 184 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:03.000 have to do some some kinds of tricky things I 185 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.120 think to force the press, maybe not hold a press 186 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:11.120 conference like I just described, but to force the media 187 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.879 into demanding from Kamala Harris that she addressed you know, 188 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:19.759 other than on day one she's going to lower prices, 189 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.519 thank god. I don't know quite why she's waiting until 190 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:27.000 the first day of her new administration and not maybe 191 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.639 get started on that now. But you know, anyway, so 192 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.039 that that's what worries me. I don't know that I've 193 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.960 ever seen it so bad where the media just was 194 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:42.039 so all in. You know, it's get Maybe it's just 195 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.200 been getting worse and worse and worse. But you really 196 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.360 have to go to social media to find anything that 197 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:53.120 is in any way critical of Kamala Harrison. Not even 198 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.799 Fox is very critical if you ask me. So that 199 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.120 was my thoughts on the matter. Maybe I think Trump 200 00:10:59.120 --> 00:10:59.480 can do. 201 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.039 It, get the same sense. I mean, one of the 202 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:05.039 things that you can do. And again, the minute we 203 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:06.879 spend all of our time saying here's what they should 204 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:08.759 do if they really want to win, they do this 205 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:10.759 when you start. When you do that, the game's up. 206 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:12.879 I mean you're not actually seeing it come from the 207 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:15.399 minds of the people who are running the campaign. But 208 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.799 what I would like to see, because I don't want 209 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:19.799 a ViBe's election, what I would like to see is 210 00:11:19.840 --> 00:11:24.879 a series of honest questions and an honest examination of 211 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:27.399 the answers. I mean, there's a couple of things that 212 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:30.639 Walls have said that I think are indicative of his positions, 213 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.159 and it's maybe not enough to run on Joya's big 214 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.720 dad mid Western energy when you have two statements that 215 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:41.639 really indicate the divide in the country. One of them 216 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.519 has to do with a comment about the border wall 217 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:44.919 that you know, if they put it up twenty feet, 218 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.240 he'd invest money in a company that made thirty foot ladders. 219 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.639 It words to that effect, which to me is revelatory 220 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.480 of a whole host of positions, and I think that 221 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:59.360 we deserve an honest conversation about those. And if the 222 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:01.279 press really wanted to hold his feet to the fire 223 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.080 or at least facilitate that on his conversation, they would ask, 224 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.559 and they would press, and we would get very detailed 225 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.639 specifics about what exactly their position on the border is, 226 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:15.279 because I'd like to know. I'd really like to know. 227 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.080 The second has to do with the comment again it 228 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:19.159 was floating around on social media last week, had to 229 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.000 do with the statement about hate speech not in disinformation, 230 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:27.440 not having First Amendment protection. Well, that's wrong. That's very, 231 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.559 very wrong. And as if we've seen in Western democracy recently, 232 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:37.200 particularly in England, horrifyingly in England, the idea that there 233 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.240 is this special I mean, they don't have the First Amendment, 234 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.320 so you know, they have fun with your or well 235 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:44.720 fulfillment factory there, buddy. But the idea that they're putting 236 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:48.600 people away for spreading, for sharing a link that they 237 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:53.600 believe to be inflammatory and is terrifying. So yes, does 238 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.480 the left, the majority of the progressive body in the 239 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:00.679 country today, believe that there should be options for hate 240 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:05.240 speaking disinformation apparently so? Apparently so because it's injurious and 241 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:09.919 threatening to our democracy. Well, there isn't. There isn't There 242 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:12.000 isn't any carve out. And the biggest threat to our 243 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.200 democracy is somebody setting up themselves as the adjudicator of 244 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.360 what is is not allowed to be said. And that 245 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.879 goes for social media, that goes for the newspapers, that 246 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:22.960 goes for standing on this street corner, that goes for everything. 247 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:24.320 I don't want to hear a word out of these 248 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.600 guys about freedom of speech and our democracy. If they're saying, 249 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:31.000 well that's disinformation, ergo, we're going to use the force 250 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:35.360 of the state to make sure that it isn't spoken. No, sorry, no, James, I've. 251 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:38.200 Never been so proud to own a tesla in my life. 252 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:40.399 Yeah. 253 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:42.039 Well, you're one of those, you know, bleeding hearts that 254 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:44.559 wants to save the planet. So I understand that correctly. 255 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:50.320 Every day, just until Elon Musk pulls off his rubber face, 256 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:52.879 reveals the lizard head beneath and then bricks everyone on 257 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:57.799 the countryside, that'll happen. Well, you know what, we can 258 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.159 sit here and h right now, I'm outnumbered. I'm just 259 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:05.600 one Minnesota against you guys, at least you know, physically Minnesotans. 260 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.120 Perhaps you guys are Minnesotas in your heart. But I 261 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.240 want to bring on my old friend John, John Hindereker, 262 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:13.519 president of the Center American Experiment of Minneapolis, space think 263 00:14:13.519 --> 00:14:15.639 tank that is not at the present time. On Fire 264 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:21.159 proposes creative solutions that emphasize free enterprise, limited government, personal responsibility, 265 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:25.639 and government accountability. In other words, fascism straight up. He 266 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.720 was found with the power Line blog in two thousand 267 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:28.799 and two, and we welcome back John. 268 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:32.200 How you doing doing great, James, Good to see you. 269 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:34.360 Yeah, good to talk to you too. All right, we 270 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.320 got the gov here. You know, I wrote a piece 271 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.519 about this for Discourse where they're just saying, Hey, you're 272 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:40.080 a Minnesota what do you think? How do you do 273 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:40.559 people think? 274 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:41.360 You know, what do you think? 275 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.720 And it's like, you know, we have all these stories 276 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.440 about the people who Oh, he was a teacher. He 277 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.240 was a great teacher. I love him as a teacher, 278 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:51.080 and you know that's entirely possible. I'm sure that his 279 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.679 students did love him. I loved my teachers too. And 280 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:55.200 then I'd go back to the talent and I'd open 281 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:56.799 up the newspaper and one of them was writing a 282 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.600 fist shaking letter about Ronnie Reagan being mean to the Santainistas. Okay, 283 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:03.480 all right, I'll just think back of the happy days 284 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.799 when you're feeling me at chemistry. The fact that he's 285 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:08.120 a genial guy and that he's friendly and people like 286 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:13.840 him is utterly irrelevant. What matters are the policies, And 287 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:17.000 you guys have been going over the policies, not the personality, 288 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.480 and laying out exactly what didn't work for Minnesota and 289 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.799 what won't work for the country. So let's just set 290 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:26.360 aside all the football coach, the supposed stuff about, you know, 291 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.720 the service in the National Guard. Let's just what counts 292 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:34.159 is the ideology behind the policies and how those play out. 293 00:15:34.519 --> 00:15:36.000 What's he done for Minnesota? 294 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.799 Well, first of all, James, I would take issue with 295 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.919 the characterization of Tim Walls as genial. I think he 296 00:15:44.200 --> 00:15:47.799 is vicious and mean spirited, and I think he's displayed 297 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.799 that throughout his political career. And I think one thing 298 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.360 he's got going for him as a vice presidential nominee 299 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:57.279 is that he's well qualified to play the attack dog 300 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.720 role that vice presidents typically at a sign. 301 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.039 So I just want to make it clear. 302 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:05.960 I understand that, I understand all. 303 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.279 But yeah, but James, You're right, the real issue is 304 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.600 is what has he done and how has it worked? 305 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.120 And the answer is that the Walls administration has been 306 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:20.759 a classic illustration of the failure of left wing policies. 307 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:25.039 Tim Walls came into office as governor of Minnesota, and 308 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:27.600 for the last two years especially, he's had a very 309 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:33.559 compliant state legislature and he's implemented a whole series of 310 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:39.960 far left policies and they've had disastrous consequences for Minnesota. 311 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:41.960 Do you want to start with crime, James. 312 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.120 Well, yes, And let's also talk about how much the 313 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.360 governor has and because gotta be fair, I'm going to 314 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:49.919 talk about a lot of things, but how much the 315 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.799 governor has influence over that particular aspect. So, yeah, let's 316 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.440 talk about crime. I live in Minneapolis. I've got my 317 00:16:55.639 --> 00:16:57.120 thoughts on that, but go ahead. 318 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.679 Well, let's let's start with the basic data. I think 319 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.079 that's what's important. Minnesota, through its history has always been 320 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:10.200 a low crime state. That was always true until Tim 321 00:17:10.279 --> 00:17:13.799 Walls got into office at the beginning of twenty nineteen 322 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:19.240 and now beginning in twenty twenty and continuing to the present, 323 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:23.480 for the first time in its history, Minnesota is officially 324 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:28.599 a high crime state. The per capita rate of serious 325 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.799 crimes that's part one crimes is defined by the FBI, 326 00:17:32.759 --> 00:17:36.440 is now higher in Minnesota than it is for the 327 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.519 country as a whole. We are a high crime state 328 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.799 that has never happened before, and there's a couple of 329 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.680 reasons for it, James. One of them, of course, is 330 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:50.359 the twenty twenty George Floyd riots and Tim Walls dithered 331 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:53.920 for four days. Everybody was pleading with him, including the 332 00:17:53.960 --> 00:17:56.839 mayor of Minneapolis, to call out the national Guard, and 333 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:01.039 he wouldn't do it, and he said, but he said 334 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.480 that he wasn't doing it because he was sympathetic to 335 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.480 the objectives the of the rioters. Finally, after four days 336 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.720 he called out the National Guard and they called the riots. 337 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.799 But the damage was done. I mean, is you know, James. 338 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:16.319 Big swaths of the city of Minneapolis were burned down, 339 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:23.680 and the rioters stormed the Minneapolis Police Department's third precinct station. 340 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.640 They burned into the ground. I mean, it was a nightmare. 341 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.039 And the crime rate in Minnesota has never recovered. The 342 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:36.720 crime spree continues to this day. And the other thing 343 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.920 that and David Zimmer of our office did a post 344 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.200 either yesterday afternoon or just this morning, which is also 345 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:48.799 really revealing, and it shows how the crime rate, the 346 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:53.599 violent crime rate started rising right after Tim Walls and 347 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:57.039 Keith Ellison came into office at the beginning of twenty nineteen. 348 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.440 And it plots the crime rate, violent crime rate against 349 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:07.680 the incarceration rate in Minnesota, which is absurdly low, and 350 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.640 as the incarceration rate falls over the course of the 351 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:17.240 Walls administration, the violent crime rate rises. And David goes 352 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:20.759 on to explain the specific things that have been done 353 00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:26.079 in Minnesota by the Walls administration and by the Minnesota legislature, 354 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:32.279 which Walls dominates, that have radically reduced the incarceration rate. 355 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.759 So the data are all there. Minnesota has become a 356 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:41.000 high crime state for the first time ever, and Tim 357 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.839 Walls can't dodge the responsibility. 358 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:46.640 A couple of points. One to go back to what 359 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:48.839 you were saying before about him having being kind of 360 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:50.880 nasty in the clutch, Yeah, I mean that when I 361 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.039 say genial, I mean that the images of him always 362 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:56.640 look like, you know, when you're looking through your dad's 363 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.599 old photographs of the hunting trips. He looks like, you know, 364 00:19:59.680 --> 00:20:01.440 the the chubby guy in the end with a big 365 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:02.960 grin and the plaid jack and the rest of it. 366 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.720 I'm just talking about the most superficial issue of it. Secondly, 367 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:07.880 when it comes to Walt and the riots and the 368 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.480 rest of it. I mean, you remember, he gave a 369 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.119 press conference just like the May at the end of May, 370 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:16.440 where he went off on the protesters. He may have 371 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:18.519 had a you know, initial sympathy like his wife at 372 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:19.960 the start, who said that she'd like to keep the 373 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:21.920 window open so she could smell the you know, the 374 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:28.680 the the burning of justice, which says a lot, but 375 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.680 I mean, he did really hammer them in a press 376 00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:34.480 conference toward the end of May. I was reading some 377 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.480 remarks about that, and you know, it's kind of just 378 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.920 what I want the guy to say. Well, I agree 379 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.119 with the points that you make. I think I can't. 380 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:43.480 It's going to be hard to blame him specifically for 381 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.319 what happened in Minneapolis. Minneapolis I believe is driving most 382 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:47.799 of the crime right here, and that has to do 383 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:49.920 with less police. It has to do with less policing. 384 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.559 It has to do with the end of all of 385 00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:54.920 the little nuisance laws by which they used to nip 386 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.880 crime at thet etcetera, etcetera. There's a lot of stuff 387 00:20:57.920 --> 00:20:59.960 packaged into that. And while I don't think you can 388 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:02.240 hanging around him, which you can hang around him is 389 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.160 his party and the attitudes of his party, which are 390 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:09.200 don't police, don't pull the guys over, don't send him 391 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:10.680 the prison. You know that. 392 00:21:10.960 --> 00:21:12.960 I think, Well, James, if you're saying that he's not 393 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:17.039 the only radical leftist in Minnesota or absolutely the Tiffin 394 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:19.920 County Attorney Mary Moriarty, you know, we could do a 395 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.839 separate podcast about her but I think you're being way, 396 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:28.240 way too generous. I mean after the rioters was after 397 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.119 the fact, Well, the riots were going on, that's what 398 00:21:31.279 --> 00:21:34.160 we needed him to do something to stop them, and 399 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.400 he didn't and and that's the key fact. And then 400 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:42.920 again beyond that, uh, the incarceration rate has has declined 401 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:45.680