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Speaker 2: Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask

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what you can do for your country.

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Speaker 3: Mister Gerba Shaw, tear down this wall.

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Speaker 4: It's the Ricochet Podcast. I'm James Lilyx and I'll be

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talking with Stephen Hayward and Lucretia. Our guest today John Hindrick,

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who at the center of the American Experiment, to talk

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about Well, of course, Governor wats So let's as a

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I have been doing.

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Speaker 2: I've been voting for common sense legislation that protext as

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second Amendment. But we can do background checks, we can

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do CDC research, we can make sure we don't have

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reciprocal carry amongst state and we can make sure that

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those weapons of war that I.

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Speaker 3: Carried in war is the only place where those weapons.

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Speaker 4: Were Welcome everybody. It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven hundred

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and three. I'm James Lylyx in Minneapolis, and I'm joined

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by Stephen Hayward and Lucretia. And it's like the ship

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of Perseus, you know, keeps. We keep shedding different pieces,

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Rob and Peter and adding others, but yet the ship

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itself is still the same. When I'm gone, of course,

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it will still be the Ricochet Flagship Podcast, and you

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guys can carry on and eventually forget that I ever existed.

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But that's the ways of way, I hope. For Now.

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We're here today to discuss well, we're going to be

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getting to the vice presidential pick with John Hindereker from

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power Line in just a little while, but I want

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you guys to to give me your impression on the

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overwhelming sense of joy that we are now, the giddy,

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the giddy, infectious enthusiasm, as somebody once said, the fact

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that we seem as a nation to have awoken from

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a slumber, of of of of a torporous slumber, and

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now we're suffused with this magical sparkle that runs like

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electricity through the entire country. I've been led to believe

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that the future was pretty grim, given that the ism

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and the climate change and the rest of the existential

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crises at face, But apparently we have turned a corner

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in America's back.

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Speaker 3: Baby.

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Speaker 4: So what do you think, James?

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Speaker 1: Can I offend all of your listeners with what I

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call it. It's the Kamelama ding dong media gasm.

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Speaker 4: It does drip off the tongue, doesn't it. Now the media, yes,

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the media is enthusiastic and emboldened by this. I mean,

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we're getting really hard stories on Tim Walls, like his

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favorite hot dish recipe. But anyway, Stephen, you were going

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Speaker 5: Well, how quickly this is galloping along? Ten days ago

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we were told that this selection was about vibes. Harris

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Harris had all the vibes, and this week suddenly became joy.

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And once again I thought of a historical parallel. I

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drive Lucretia nuts with these. She thinks, I'm I'm wacko.

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But the last time we had a candidate who is

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about the politics of joy was also a vice president

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succeeding a president who dropped out mid campaign from Minnesota.

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Right the minute you said it, Yeah, right, the great

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Hubert Humphrey was all about the politics of joy, and

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boy did he have an unjoyful campaign and an unjoyful result.

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I think we're going to repeat that, not exactly the same,

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Speaker 4: Agrecia, why is it. Why does it drive you nuts

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when he brings up Hubert Hmphrey, I mean Humphy.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it doesn't drive me. I call him analogy man.

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What drives me a little bit nuts is that Steve

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can manage to find and not always apt historical analogy

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to just about anything, as if history just repeats itself

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over and over and over in exactly the same way.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was George Lucas well. I mean, yes,

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on the joy itself. I'm not opposed to joy in

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an election. I kind of like it as a matter

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of fact. I While I like the idea of somebody

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laying out a clear path to get ourselves out of

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the numerous morasses in which we find ourselves, there is

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that inner Norman Rockwell glow to your face that attracts people.

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vote for anything. But you know, grim sullen duty, and

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what's what's the matter with joy is what I'm is

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Speaker 1: What's there to be joyful about? She's an idiot, he's

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a draft No, she can't say. You can't call him

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a draft doctor. That's silly, a stolen valor, a petty

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tyrant who, in the same breath that he says mind

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your own business, reminds us that he was. You know,

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far leftist, basic communist idiots. Sorry, I like nothing about

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either one of them, Absolutely nothing. You know, I can

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Speaker 4: What about RFK do you like? I like the fact

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that he's become a meme into which people drop every

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single historical event of consequence. Just him sitting there with

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in nineteen fourteen in wonder by a coffee. I mean,

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it's just absolutely delightful. But anyway, to Lucreaseia's point, I mean,

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what's there to be joyful about? I mean, if you

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where you think that they would send us on the left, no,

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it's not something that fills your heart with a great

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deal of joy. But again, we are talking about a

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vibe election. We are talking about something where people are apparently,

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at least I mean on the left side, are absolutely

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enthusiastically energized by the fact that they don't have to

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pretend that they believe that this doddering man with mashed

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potatoes in his brain is somebody for whom they should

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feel enthusiasm. I mean, they've got real power and energy

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behind them, and I think it's it's to people who

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aren't particularly engaged on the issues, or don't engage the

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extent that you do, or do engage and don't agree

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of nitrous gas, it may wear off, but it's energized them.

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to manifest joy in its own way? Because otherwise we're

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Speaker 3: Right well, I think at least two ways of thinking

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great joyous affairs. I mean, he's kind of been the

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candidate to joy because he's funny in his sort of

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sarcastic and attacking way, is sort of don Rickles stick

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Speaker 3: And you know, maybe they've got a little off balance.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think you've made a couple of minor

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mistakes here in the aftermath of Hamila's ascendants, So they're

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trying to steal that. But it's also a tactic second

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to avoid any serious media scrutiny which the media is

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happy to go along with. And it's because it's going

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to be a short campaign. They're gambling they can make

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it to election day on vibes. To go back to

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the original theme of the campaign. I'm skeptical it's going

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to work only because there's some underlying facts that I

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think will reassert themselves. One is a Republican registration has

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drawn even or ahead of Democrats and registrations in a

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lot of places in the country. I think nationally, Republicans

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are now nearly even with Democrats for the first time

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in decades. Now you have this third of the country

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who are independents and they always decide things. Second, the

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issue map will come back into play. All the top

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issues favored Trump. People are concerned about the border, the economy,

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national security, abortion, which is supposed to favor Democrats. I

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guess it does. It's number six or seven on the

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list of important issues for voters. And if the campaign

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and if the Trump campaign can get us back around

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to reminding people what they're unhappy about, I think Harris

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will have a harder time dodging and weaving and changing

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her positions, and that's going to reassert itself. So I'm

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still betting on Trump for a narrow but solid win.

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Speaker 1: Rate. Suggestion on X that Trump should hold a press

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conference since Kamalama ding Dong won't, and have a TV

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next to him and ask questions and have the answers

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be play being kam Lama ding Dong's answers that thinks

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that she said in the past come across on the TV.

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And I think that would be brilliant because I agree

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with Steve if If and this I unfortunately I don't

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agree with his optimism on this. If the Trump campaign

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can get the conversation back to issues, of course, trump wins.

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and so on. I get mad at Republicans who want

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to complain that they're, you know, that Trump is not

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focusing on issues. But it's a little bit difficult right

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gets absolutely zero help from the press. So he's gonna

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conference like I just described, but to force the media

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into demanding from Kamala Harris that she addressed you know,

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other than on day one she's going to lower prices,

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thank god. I don't know quite why she's waiting until

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the first day of her new administration and not maybe

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get started on that now. But you know, anyway, so

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that that's what worries me. I don't know that I've

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ever seen it so bad where the media just was

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so all in. You know, it's get Maybe it's just

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been getting worse and worse and worse. But you really

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have to go to social media to find anything that

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is in any way critical of Kamala Harrison. Not even

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Speaker 4: It, get the same sense. I mean, one of the

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things that you can do. And again, the minute we

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spend all of our time saying here's what they should

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do if they really want to win, they do this

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when you start. When you do that, the game's up.

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I mean you're not actually seeing it come from the

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minds of the people who are running the campaign. But

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what I would like to see, because I don't want

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a ViBe's election, what I would like to see is

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a series of honest questions and an honest examination of

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the answers. I mean, there's a couple of things that

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and it's maybe not enough to run on Joya's big

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dad mid Western energy when you have two statements that

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really indicate the divide in the country. One of them

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has to do with a comment about the border wall

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that you know, if they put it up twenty feet,

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he'd invest money in a company that made thirty foot ladders.

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It words to that effect, which to me is revelatory

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of a whole host of positions, and I think that

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we deserve an honest conversation about those. And if the

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press really wanted to hold his feet to the fire

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and they would press, and we would get very detailed

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specifics about what exactly their position on the border is,

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because I'd like to know. I'd really like to know.

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The second has to do with the comment again it

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not having First Amendment protection. Well, that's wrong. That's very,

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very wrong. And as if we've seen in Western democracy recently,

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particularly in England, horrifyingly in England, the idea that there

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so you know, they have fun with your or well

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fulfillment factory there, buddy. But the idea that they're putting

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people away for spreading, for sharing a link that they

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believe to be inflammatory and is terrifying. So yes, does

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the left, the majority of the progressive body in the

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country today, believe that there should be options for hate

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speaking disinformation apparently so? Apparently so because it's injurious and

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threatening to our democracy. Well, there isn't. There isn't There

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isn't any carve out. And the biggest threat to our

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democracy is somebody setting up themselves as the adjudicator of

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what is is not allowed to be said. And that

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goes for social media, that goes for the newspapers, that

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goes for standing on this street corner, that goes for everything.

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I don't want to hear a word out of these

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guys about freedom of speech and our democracy. If they're saying,

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well that's disinformation, ergo, we're going to use the force

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of the state to make sure that it isn't spoken. No, sorry, no, James, I've.

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Speaker 1: Never been so proud to own a tesla in my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're one of those, you know, bleeding hearts that

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wants to save the planet. So I understand that correctly.

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Every day, just until Elon Musk pulls off his rubber face,

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reveals the lizard head beneath and then bricks everyone on

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the countryside, that'll happen. Well, you know what, we can

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sit here and h right now, I'm outnumbered. I'm just

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one Minnesota against you guys, at least you know, physically Minnesotans.

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Perhaps you guys are Minnesotas in your heart. But I

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want to bring on my old friend John, John Hindereker,

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president of the Center American Experiment of Minneapolis, space think

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tank that is not at the present time. On Fire

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proposes creative solutions that emphasize free enterprise, limited government, personal responsibility,

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and government accountability. In other words, fascism straight up. He

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was found with the power Line blog in two thousand

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and two, and we welcome back John.

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Speaker 6: How you doing doing great, James, Good to see you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good to talk to you too. All right, we

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got the gov here. You know, I wrote a piece

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about this for Discourse where they're just saying, Hey, you're

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a Minnesota what do you think? How do you do

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people think?

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Speaker 3: You know, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, we have all these stories

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about the people who Oh, he was a teacher. He

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was a great teacher. I love him as a teacher,

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and you know that's entirely possible. I'm sure that his

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students did love him. I loved my teachers too. And

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then I'd go back to the talent and I'd open

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up the newspaper and one of them was writing a

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fist shaking letter about Ronnie Reagan being mean to the Santainistas. Okay,

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all right, I'll just think back of the happy days

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when you're feeling me at chemistry. The fact that he's

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a genial guy and that he's friendly and people like

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him is utterly irrelevant. What matters are the policies, And

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you guys have been going over the policies, not the personality,

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and laying out exactly what didn't work for Minnesota and

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what won't work for the country. So let's just set

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aside all the football coach, the supposed stuff about, you know,

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the service in the National Guard. Let's just what counts

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is the ideology behind the policies and how those play out.

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What's he done for Minnesota?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, James, I would take issue with

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the characterization of Tim Walls as genial. I think he

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is vicious and mean spirited, and I think he's displayed

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that throughout his political career. And I think one thing

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he's got going for him as a vice presidential nominee

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is that he's well qualified to play the attack dog

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role that vice presidents typically at a sign.

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Speaker 6: So I just want to make it clear.

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Speaker 4: I understand that, I understand all.

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Speaker 7: But yeah, but James, You're right, the real issue is

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is what has he done and how has it worked?

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And the answer is that the Walls administration has been

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a classic illustration of the failure of left wing policies.

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Tim Walls came into office as governor of Minnesota, and

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for the last two years especially, he's had a very

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compliant state legislature and he's implemented a whole series of

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far left policies and they've had disastrous consequences for Minnesota.

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Do you want to start with crime, James.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, And let's also talk about how much the

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governor has and because gotta be fair, I'm going to

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talk about a lot of things, but how much the

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governor has influence over that particular aspect. So, yeah, let's

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talk about crime. I live in Minneapolis. I've got my

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thoughts on that, but go ahead.

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Speaker 7: Well, let's let's start with the basic data. I think

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that's what's important. Minnesota, through its history has always been

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a low crime state. That was always true until Tim

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Walls got into office at the beginning of twenty nineteen

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and now beginning in twenty twenty and continuing to the present,

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for the first time in its history, Minnesota is officially

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a high crime state. The per capita rate of serious

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crimes that's part one crimes is defined by the FBI,

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is now higher in Minnesota than it is for the

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country as a whole. We are a high crime state

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that has never happened before, and there's a couple of

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reasons for it, James. One of them, of course, is

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the twenty twenty George Floyd riots and Tim Walls dithered

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for four days. Everybody was pleading with him, including the

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mayor of Minneapolis, to call out the national Guard, and

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he wouldn't do it, and he said, but he said

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that he wasn't doing it because he was sympathetic to

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the objectives the of the rioters. Finally, after four days

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he called out the National Guard and they called the riots.

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But the damage was done. I mean, is you know, James.

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and the rioters stormed the Minneapolis Police Department's third precinct station.

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They burned into the ground. I mean, it was a nightmare.

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And the crime rate in Minnesota has never recovered. The

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crime spree continues to this day. And the other thing

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that and David Zimmer of our office did a post

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either yesterday afternoon or just this morning, which is also

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really revealing, and it shows how the crime rate, the

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violent crime rate started rising right after Tim Walls and

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Keith Ellison came into office at the beginning of twenty nineteen.

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And it plots the crime rate, violent crime rate against

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the incarceration rate in Minnesota, which is absurdly low, and

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as the incarceration rate falls over the course of the

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Walls administration, the violent crime rate rises. And David goes

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on to explain the specific things that have been done

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in Minnesota by the Walls administration and by the Minnesota legislature,

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which Walls dominates, that have radically reduced the incarceration rate.

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So the data are all there. Minnesota has become a

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high crime state for the first time ever, and Tim

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Speaker 4: A couple of points. One to go back to what

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you were saying before about him having being kind of

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nasty in the clutch, Yeah, I mean that when I

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say genial, I mean that the images of him always

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look like, you know, when you're looking through your dad's

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old photographs of the hunting trips. He looks like, you know,

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the the chubby guy in the end with a big

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grin and the plaid jack and the rest of it.

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I'm just talking about the most superficial issue of it. Secondly,

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when it comes to Walt and the riots and the

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rest of it. I mean, you remember, he gave a

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press conference just like the May at the end of May,

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where he went off on the protesters. He may have

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had a you know, initial sympathy like his wife at

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the start, who said that she'd like to keep the

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window open so she could smell the you know, the

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the the burning of justice, which says a lot, but

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I mean, he did really hammer them in a press

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conference toward the end of May. I was reading some

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remarks about that, and you know, it's kind of just

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what I want the guy to say. Well, I agree

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with the points that you make. I think I can't.

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what happened in Minneapolis. Minneapolis I believe is driving most

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of the crime right here, and that has to do

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with less police. It has to do with less policing.

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It has to do with the end of all of

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the little nuisance laws by which they used to nip

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crime at thet etcetera, etcetera. There's a lot of stuff

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packaged into that. And while I don't think you can

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hanging around him, which you can hang around him is

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his party and the attitudes of his party, which are

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don't police, don't pull the guys over, don't send him

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the prison. You know that.

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Speaker 7: I think, Well, James, if you're saying that he's not

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the only radical leftist in Minnesota or absolutely the Tiffin

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County Attorney Mary Moriarty, you know, we could do a

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separate podcast about her but I think you're being way,

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way too generous. I mean after the rioters was after

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the fact, Well, the riots were going on, that's what

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we needed him to do something to stop them, and

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he didn't and and that's the key fact. And then

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again beyond that, uh, the incarceration rate has has declined

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significantly and you can just see it in the chart.

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And the violent crime rate has risen, and that too.

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Again he's not the only one, but it's a combination

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of administrative actions and legislative actions that have that have

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driven that.

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Speaker 4: So let's go to education, because I think you've govern

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or submit budgets. Budgets are statewide, and so I think

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maybe we can look there and say that we can

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have a more clear direct between line between his tenure,

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his occupation of the office, and the results. Where is

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Minnesota always prized as a literate state that's full of

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smart people looking to get ahead. How are we doing

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on that score?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Well so Catren Wigfall, who's our education policy fellow here

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in America Experiment, put together a brilliant chart that tells

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you everything you need to know. And what it shows

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is that in recent years, and particularly during the walls administration,

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spending on K through twelve education has skyrocketed. The chart

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shows per student inflation adjusted spending, and it is just skyrocketed.

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Speaker 6: At the same.

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Speaker 7: Time, student performance has been declining catastrophically. And the chart, again,

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it just tells everything you need to know. And the facts, James,

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as you know, are shocking. Currently, more than half of

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all of the K through twelve students in Minnesota's public

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schools can neither read nor do math at grade level.

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Speaker 6: I mean, just think about that more.

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Speaker 4: Because we're not spending enough. We're obviously not spending enough money.

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Speaker 6: It's unbelievable. Let me give you another one, James, let

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me give you another one.

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Speaker 7: The longer they're in Minnesota's public schools, the worse off

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they are. Sixty four percent. Sixty four percent of eleventh

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graders in all the Minnesota public schools K through twelve

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cannot do I'm sorry, this is eleventh graders sixty four

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percent across the state of Minnesota cannot do math at

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grade level. Sixty four percent. Well, I mean, this is

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catastrophically bad.

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Speaker 5: How do you expect them to make more Democrats without

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schools that perform like that? Hi, Johnny, we usually you

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and I usually only see each other in pixels. And

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I've got three or four questions, but they all culminate

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in this one. When are you ever going to run

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for governor of Minnesota? Clearly we need someone like you

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to do this.

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Speaker 7: I actually have been asked that question more seriously, Steve.

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But it's been a while, and I think I don't

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want to run and have people talking about whether.

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Speaker 6: I've seen a hell yet.

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Speaker 4: You know, I.

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Speaker 6: Think I've passed the point where that would have been

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a good idea.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well all right, well look, I know, but people

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should keep asking you that. Look, Lucretian, and I won't

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say we don't have any sympathy for you in Minnesota,

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but we have been governed well me, I'm still but

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Lucretia grew up in California. We're governed by Gavin Newsom,

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and it seems to me the only difference between Newsom

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and Waltz is that Waltz doesn't use as much brial

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cream in his hair, and Newsom gets more pressed because

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California and so forth. On the other hand, I do

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notice that Newsom's approval ratings in California are deeply underwater.

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The problem is there isn't. And by the way, the

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serious point behind my question of you running for governor

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is that the Republican Party is just so feeble in

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californ that they can't seem to get a decent statewide

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candidate with even a shot at disrupting the progressive juggernaut.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 5: Minnesota's closer, right, I mean, the Republicans are like with

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a couple of seats in the legislature, Is that right?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, I often.

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Speaker 7: Point out to people everybody thinks Minnesota's this deep blue state.

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It's true that Republicans haven't won a statewide election since

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two thousand and six, but if you look at the legislature,

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it's very narrowly balanced. I mean, the Democrats, all the

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terrible things they've done in the last two years, they

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passed by one vote in the state Senate thirty four

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to thirty three. They swung one seat in twenty twenty

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two in a district where there was a Republican incumbent

479
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he was challenging the primary by a more more conservative Republican.

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The conservative Republican won the primary became the nominee. The

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incumbent Republican then endorsed the Democrat who won by three

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hundred and twenty one votes, and all the terrible things

483
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the Democrats have done since past thirty four to thirty

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three in the Minnesota Senate. So yeah, we are more

485
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finally balanced than people realize. But the other side of

486
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the coin, steve to be honest, is that Minnesota's Republican

487
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party has been weak for about the last fifteen to

488
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twenty years, and there's a structural imbalance. The Democrats in

489
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the twenty two cycle outspent Republicans three to one, and

490
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that's typical in some ways. They'll outspend the Republicans four

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to one, five to one, six to one.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, well, sorry, that's a problem.

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Speaker 5: One more question and then I'll turn over Lucretia, who

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I think I know what she wants to ask about.

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Speaker 3: I think conservative media have been pretty good.

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Speaker 5: At least laying out the whole list of issues about

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Waltz and his opinions and his views. There's one story, though,

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that I know you and Scott Johnson have covered closely

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that I haven't heard people jump on yet, and it's

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the scandal over the what's it called the Feeding Minnesota

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program where you've had feeding our future, Right, would you

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tell listeners what that's about and his wall it's implicated

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in least being negligent about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh god, we could talk for a lot.

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Speaker 7: Future is the biggest that's shorthand okay for a huge

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scandal here in Minnesota, the single biggest fraud that's been

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identified as coming out of all the COVID programs. And

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very briefly, this was a program that was supposed to

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feed poor children. Now, if you did the math, we

510
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don't have that many poor children in Minnesota. I mean,

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these people were claiming to feed millions and millions.

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Speaker 6: Of meals the poor children.

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Speaker 7: Feeding Our Future was one of two or three umbrella nonprofits.

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And the woman Amy Bach, who ran Feeding Our Future,

515
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she's now a criminal defendant. She went out and rustled

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up a bunch of Somalis to put together other nonprofits

517
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and they work frequently through restaurants, and they started invoicing

518
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for the alleged feeding of millions of to poor children,

519
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and the State of Minnesota shoveled out the door. The

520
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Department of Education shoveled out the door hundreds of millions

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of dollars and finally got investigated. The US Attorney thinks

522
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that five hundred million dollars were stolen from the taxpayers.

523
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There are seventy criminal indictments. One case so far has

524
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gone to trial. Eighteen defendants have pled guilty. Five have

525
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been found guilty. In that trial, the defendants delivered a

526
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bag with one hundred thousand dollars in cash in it

527
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to the home of one of the jurors like the

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day before they were going to start deliberating, with a

529
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note saying that there was more where that came from

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if she voted to acquit the defendants. It's an unbelievable scandal,

531
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but it's one of many, well over a billion dollars

532
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in identified specific scandals with names, not just the way

533
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the indulgent every day scandals. Names have gone out the

534
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door during the Walls administration. I mean, it is the

535
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most scandal plagued administration in America.

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Speaker 3: Yeah good.

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Speaker 5: Can't some of that attach to Waltz or is he

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able to put distance between him and that?

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Speaker 6: You tell me it hasn't attached to Walls in.

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Speaker 7: The local press in Minnesota. I mean, look at the

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deparent of Education. The commissioner was appointed by Walls. The

542
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buck stops if it doesn't stop with Walls. It stops

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with the Commissioner of Education. Yeah, not a single person

544
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in the Department of Education has been fired or suspended

545
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or furloughed, or had a pay cut or had a

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reprimand put in their file or anything else as the

547
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result of a five hundred million dollar scandal. That's the

548
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administration that Tim Walls runs.

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Speaker 4: Johnny, this is of a piece with the usual Republicans.

550
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You obviously are telling me because you don't like the

551
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Feeding Our Future program, that you don't want to feed children,

552
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that you just the very idea of feeding children angers you.

553
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And this is one of the attacks that we've seen

554
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when people point out that they're trying to make it

555
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sound as if the GOP is upset that the state

556
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feeds children in schools, that that's the thing that that

557
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animated James.

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Speaker 7: I'm upset when people steal money by pretending to feed

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non existing children. Well, that can't need to be a

560
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slightly different point.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, your your your nuance. There is just

562
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not He's going to fall on deaf years because we

563
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know that the Republicans want children to be starving all

564
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day and they don't want them to learn. But the

565
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attack is that they say that the Republicans are opposed

566
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to feeding children in school before we go to du Cretia,

567
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could you just tell us exactly why that isn't an

568
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accurate description of the objections to Walt's policy.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean none of that has even come up.

570
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I mean, the criminal prosecutions and the criticism the Department

571
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of Education has taken have had nothing to do with

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feeding children. They've had to do with stealing money.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: But it's the idea that I mean, we're going to

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feed children in school regardless of income.

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Speaker 6: That's the whole Well, that's that's another So that's a

577
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whole nother.

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Speaker 4: That's completely different women.

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Speaker 7: Completely different issue. Now we're talking about children who are

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actually attending school. That was not the case of feeding

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our future.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 6: There's a whole nother.

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Speaker 7: Issue, which is that the Minnesota legislature has has passed

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now a law that provides both breakfast and lunch to

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all students in the Minnesota public schools, not just poor kids.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to qualify for free lunch.

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Speaker 7: You don't get free breakfast and free lunch if you

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are a student attending Minnesota schools. And and that has

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not been all that controversial, frankly, but I mean some

591
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of us have criticized it on the ground that it's

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really the parents' job to feed their children. Okay, if

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there are poor kids as parents can't afford to pay

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the thirty five cents or whatever school lunch costs.

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Speaker 4: Now happy, I'm happy to help them out.

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Speaker 1: The programs federal programs that do that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but since when is it the states duty to

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feed children in the first instance. It's up to the

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parents to feed their children.

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask a question of you, John

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that I think you can attach directly to Tim Waltz.

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So for a variety of different reasons, I have probably

603
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spent a dozen hours over the last couple of weeks

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with command sergeant majors that are friends of mine that

605
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I work with, and I will tell you that while

606
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the people who wouldn't vote for let me say that right,

607
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the people who would vote for the Kamalama Ding Dong

608
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Tim Waltz ticket aren't going to care about Tim Walt's,

609
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:54,200
shall we say, exaggerating his record. There are a lot

610
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of veterans out there who might not have voted one

611
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,480
way or the other, who will come out on this

612
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because the issue to me is very, very very serious.

613
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It is because I spend most of my time professionally

614
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in my volunteer time with soldiers. The idea a of

615
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a command sergeant major. I know he had the right

616
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to retire. We're not clear how he got out of

617
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his enlistment, his six year enlistment, but that he would

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leave his battalion before they were about to deploy to Iraq.

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I know there's all these little things about dates and

620
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so on. So are you know at least a year

621
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and a half before a unit's likely to deploy, especially

622
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in those circumstances, So he put in his retirement paperwork

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after he found out they were deploying. There's no doubt

624
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about that. Number two. And to leave his battalion like that,

625
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I have never met a senior enlisted officer who would

626
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,839
even consider doing that. They're always doing the opposite. So

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he is cowardly or he's so driven by power and

628
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so forth that he wouldn't see it any other way.

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But then to claim that he was in war, that

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you knew I held this gun in war, all of

631
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the things that he claimed to claim. Having been a

632
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retired command sergeant major he knew that most people were

633
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unlikely to challenge that because most people don't understand how

634
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,119
the whole process works and the difference between an eight

635
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,239
and a E nine and why it matters. But over

636
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,480
the years, he's claimed so many lies, basically twisting the truth.

637
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,000
I think that's a lie that veterans I know and

638
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,960
talk to who couldn't give a damn about politics are

639
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:42,239
scandalized by this, and I think that attaches to him.

640
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And I think what you're seeing is a lot of

641
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,159
Republicans continue to press this point. You see some evidence

642
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,960
that the Democrats are a little panicked about this and

643
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000
are trying to push back. I think this sticks with Waltz,

644
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239
and whether it sticks with him enough to force them

645
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to get rid of him, it's not c to me

646
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,840
yet depends. But what do you think Knowing that you're

647
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,239
there in Minneapolis, you've probably met some of the people

648
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that were in his battalion that were upset about the

649
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fact that he'd abandoned them.

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Speaker 7: In their opinion, Well, there are multiple things going on

651
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with respect to Tim Wall's exaggeration at best of his

652
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military service, and I agree with you, Lucretia, that the

653
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most significant one is his abandoning his battalion. Okay, he

654
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was in the Minnesota National Guard for twenty four years.

655
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He took money, you know, he served. That's all great,

656
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,000
that's fine, it was all in peace time. Well, now

657
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,719
the Iraq War comes along, and in two thousand and five,

658
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or maybe even in two thousand and four, his battalion

659
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gets the word they are going to be deployed to Iraq.

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Speaker 6: And there's a lot of talk about this.

661
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Speaker 7: This is in the works, as you say, for quite

662
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a while, and several of his former National Guardsmen fellows

663
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have that he repeatedly told them, I'm going to Iraq,

664
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I'm going to be with you, I'm going to be there,

665
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and then at the last minute he pulled out and

666
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he quit, and he left the National Guard, and many

667
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,719
of those National guardsmen are bitterly angry at him for it.

668
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There was a piece in the Daily Mail where the

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mother of a twenty year old minister or National guardsman

670
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who was in that battalion, who went to a rock

671
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when Tim Walls didn't. She's bitterly angry at Tim Walls

672
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to this day. I don't know how big an issue

673
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this is with the general public, but I think it's

674
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going to be an issue with a lot of veterans.

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Speaker 6: And I think the side.

676
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Speaker 7: Issues as I would view them, the fact that he

677
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always said, oh, I retired as a command sergeant major.

678
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Speaker 6: Well, actually that's not quite right.

679
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Speaker 7: You know, he held that title kind of provisionally, but

680
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he never completed the requirements for it, and so when

681
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he summarily quit the National Guard, he was demoted and

682
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he didn't retire command sergeant major. Now I think most

683
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,519
people maybe won't understand that distinction. I think some military

684
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people will. And then of course he goes around, he's

685
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on video, you know, talking about himself like he was

686
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a war hero. You know, he's talking about gun control,

687
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all these weapons of war. I carried these weapons of

688
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war in war. No, he didn't. You know, he was

689
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never in a war. He never went near a war zone.

690
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And so you know, stolen valor is a charge that

691
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we'll see it. It may stick to him.

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Speaker 4: No. I mean, just as you know the phrase big

693
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debt energy means the patriarchy is back, doesn't it mean

694
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that all of this talk about his service means that,

695
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:44,719
you know, it's good that we got these guys with

696
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guns in uniform going to our coons to do things.

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And of course that's going to stick and not be

698
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flipped the minute that it turns on, you know, the

699
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,519
other candidate. So yeah, I'm not sure how much this

700
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is going to stick with people. Some of the particulars

701
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may be.

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Speaker 1: That on James. Yeah, I mean, Pennsylvania has eight hundred

703
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thousand veterans. Again, what John says is true. Well, does

704
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it matter to the general population that the guy said

705
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he was a command sergeant major but he really was

706
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demoted back to master sergeant. It doesn't matter to the

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general population. They don't know the difference between eight and

708
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e nine and why that's important. But you know what,

709
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every single one of those veterans understands it completely.

710
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: And I agree with you.

711
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,639
Speaker 1: It's going to make a difference, and in close elections

712
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:34,760
it's going to make a difference.

713
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 4: Perhaps you're perhaps you're absolutely right. It goes it goes

714
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,639
back to you convincing the vast middle that your person,

715
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,039
your guys are the ones who are happy and joyful

716
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:46,480
and will do great things and the other side is

717
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:48,719
full of youple And I mean what John was saying

718
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,239
there before, making the distinction between the state giving breakfast

719
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,360
and lunch to needy kids who otherwise could not afford it,

720
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,639
and then just giving it to everybody seems like to

721
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:00,960
a lot of people a ridiculous distinction to make. What

722
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:01,760
are you upset about?

723
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,039
Speaker 3: Why not?

724
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,039
Speaker 4: What's the problem? You want to stigmatize the kids who

725
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:05,000
are getting it for free?

726
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,039
Speaker 3: But it actually is.

727
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,559
Speaker 4: I mean, it's indicative of a lot the idea that

728
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:12,199
the isn't the parents' responsibility to put the lunch the

729
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,840
lunch of bulls in the bag. Is the state in

730
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,519
all of its manifestations it's supposed to take care of you.

731
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,639
That's what we get hung up on. But does that

732
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,800
affect the general election?

733
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

734
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 5: So anyway, go on, Can I make just two quick

735
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:26,960
observations about this?

736
00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:28,159
Speaker 3: One is there?

737
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,039
Speaker 5: I think we're at the phase that happens in a

738
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,320
lot of campaigns where the record of the running mate

739
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239
the a possible personal scandals come to the fore for

740
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,320
a few weeks. The same controversy almost happened with Dan

741
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,280
Quayle in nineteen eighty eight and his Indiana National Guard service.

742
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,079
So who knows whether this is going to stick the

743
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:47,880
way the swift boat problems stuck with John Carey. But

744
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,760
there's a second thing here, the exaggerations of Waltz. There's

745
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,239
a pattern here that I've commented on before with Lucretian,

746
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,320
I've written about there's a kind of neediness about liberals,

747
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,800
so and they lie about stuff about their own record.

748
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,360
You know, Joe Biden, as we know, was arrested with

749
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,039
Nelson Mandela and March and the civil rights movement and

750
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:09,480
climb Mount everest al Gore invented the Internet. Hillary Clinton

751
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:13,239
was under fire in Bosnia, right, Brian Williams at NBC News,

752
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,719
it's not just officeholders, but you know, he was under

753
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,039
fire in Iraq. And what drives these people to do this?

754
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,559
I think it's part of their Actually think it's deep

755
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,719
roots in leftist ideology. And that takes a while to explain,

756
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,639
but at some point, as social psychologist has to say,

757
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,920
there's a pattern recognition problem here with liberals who feel

758
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,599
compelled to puff up their personal heroism and bravery and

759
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:37,760
reputation when the facts can't back it up.

760
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 3: And that's always a bad sign sometimes things.

761
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: Truth is more important than just the facts, Steve, don't you.

762
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 5: Know it's well my truth number, it's my truth. We

763
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:50,480
live in the age of proprietary truth, as I've been

764
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:50,840
calling it.

765
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:53,639
Speaker 1: That's the simple explanation for what you said would take

766
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:54,639
too long to explain.

767
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,119
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, So I don't know, John, that's need a

768
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,840
truth teller like you run for governor, a real truth teller.

769
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: So I'll just my stick there.

770
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 7: I think point Steve, I can't really explain it, but

771
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,519
there's no question there's a long history. There's no doubt

772
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,320
that Tim Walls is very much in that tradition.

773
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,119
Speaker 3: You know.

774
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: He can't just you know, be honest and tell the truth.

775
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,239
They have to pump themselves up.

776
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

777
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,159
Speaker 4: Is this a modern effect? I mean when I think

778
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,159
back to we were talking before he got on here

779
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:31,239
about the previous happy warrior, Hubert Humphrey. Remember, I don't

780
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,960
remember Humphrey actually exaggerating and inflating what he did. I

781
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:37,480
remember any of those guys really doing so. I mean, JFK,

782
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,199
you know, pt book, the rest of it. There's always

783
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:43,280
a little of that in politics. But as far as

784
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,880
being sort of a pathological thing by people who really.

785
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,559
Speaker 6: I got hey, James, I got to stick up.

786
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 7: I got to stick up for Kennedy, you know, I

787
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,719
think passing out the tie pins, you know, the one

788
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,920
O nine that it's okay politics. You know, he had

789
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,760
that on his record, But later on he was asked,

790
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,679
you know how he became over.

791
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and his answer was, well, I had no choice.

792
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,280
They sank my boat, right.

793
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

794
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 7: I think at some level, Kennedy, you know, Kennedy did

795
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,119
have a little.

796
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 6: Of our self awareness.

797
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,039
Speaker 4: Yes, well, speaking of presidents who did not finish out

798
00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:23,840
their term, it's the fiftieth anniversary of Watergate, the resignation

799
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,800
and the rest of it. I always remember that this

800
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,880
time of the year. I think it's the birthday of Prince,

801
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,400
the anniversary of Hiroshima and Nixon's resignation. Ah, so celebrate

802
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,480
those in which way you choose? What do we know

803
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,119
fifty years on that we didn't know at the time.

804
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:45,159
What have we learned in retrospect? Should he have stuck

805
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:45,559
it out?

806
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: Yes?

807
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 4: Does any of this matter to a modern American politics

808
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,599
or the residences to this day that still echo in

809
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:55,239
the very and whenever we talk about these things, Well.

810
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,559
Speaker 5: Let me start with three quick points that Lucretia can

811
00:42:57,679 --> 00:42:59,199
backfill in a number of ways.

812
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,599
Speaker 4: That was a question of our guests.

813
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: Actually, okay, well, let's John, He's sticking around.

814
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: I want to give you.

815
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 6: I have more to say about Tim Walls.

816
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,079
Speaker 7: By the way, you should hear what you did in

817
00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:14,559
Minnesota's economy, for example. But that's okay, we can Did

818
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,280
you know that for the first time in our history,

819
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,840
we are now a below average state economically by the

820
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,920
most basic measure gd per capita GDP. We have always

821
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,199
been above the national average and per capita GDP. In

822
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,159
twenty twenty three, because of Tim Walls is crazy and

823
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:37,280
the DFL is crazy left wing policies, we are now

824
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,280
below average.

825
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 4: I mean, we have more more people leaving than coming in.

826
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,519
Speaker 7: And of course, yeah, way more people leaving and moving in.

827
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,519
That's the acid test. And people want to live in

828
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,840
your state, and people don't want to live in Tim

829
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Walls's Minnesota.

830
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,199
Speaker 6: Now let's go back to.

831
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: You.

832
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:58,519
Speaker 3: Sound like a candidate staying on message just there.

833
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 7: Yes, I try to stand a message, but so yeah, look,

834
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,519
I mean, I'll tell you what and you guys may

835
00:44:05,559 --> 00:44:07,199
know more about this than I do. I was in

836
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,920
law school during Watergate. I had friends who were a

837
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,039
couple of years ahead of me in law school who

838
00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:18,679
went to work in the prosecutor's office. The Independent Prosecutor's office.

839
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,400
And it was Archibald Cox who took that over. No, no,

840
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:23,599
what was the sequence?

841
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 3: Cox was the.

842
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,599
Speaker 7: First one, and who mix and fired and then and

843
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,320
then yeah, oh that's right. Then and Jeorski took it over.

844
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,199
And I had friends who went to work in that office.

845
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:39,320
And the whole ethos was get Nixon. We are trying

846
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,199
to get Nixon. I mean, I saw it firsthand, and

847
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,920
I guess what I've always felt is that in the end,

848
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:50,679
Nixon didn't have any choice.

849
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:52,599
Speaker 6: And part of the reason he didn't.

850
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 7: Have any choice is that his party didn't stand behind him.

851
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,280
He got sold out really in the us SE And

852
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,440
at the time, people thought, oh this is a good thing,

853
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:06,039
you know, James Baking, all these people, they're not being partisan, right,

854
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,440
And with hindsight the way the political game has been

855
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,719
played ever since, I'd like to see kind of an

856
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,880
alternative universe where the Republican Party gets behind Nixon, stays

857
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,880
behind Nixon, where he doesn't get you know, he doesn't

858
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,039
get forced out and sticks to his guns, and see

859
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:22,880
what would have happened.

860
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:23,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

861
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 5: So, I mean, I think we've learned some new facts

862
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,400
over the fifty years because a lot of confidential documents

863
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,519
from the Justice Department have been pride loose through Foyer

864
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,840
and other means, And what we learned is there was

865
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:42,840
massive prosecutorial misconduct and completely unethical ex party communications with

866
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,039
Judge John Sirica, who's subsiding over the whole thing. It

867
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:49,719
also turns out that people who've were slowly gone through

868
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,039
some of the things in the tapes, especially the famous

869
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:56,000
smoking gun tape, the March meeting with John Dean saying

870
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,039
we can find the money to pay hush money to

871
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,960
the burglars, turns out that the timelines don't work out right,

872
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:06,239
and those conversations were actually misunderstood, including by Nixon's own team.

873
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,480
But then, finally, I think when you look at what's

874
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,119
happened to Trump, starting with the the phony Russia hoax

875
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,000
and the law fair against him, all of a sudden

876
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:18,519
our perspective has changed. One of the things to understand

877
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,920
about Nixon is remembered he humiliated the left by winning

878
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,599
forty nine states in nineteen seventy two, and second he

879
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,960
proposed seriously to take control of the federal bureaucracy. And

880
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,320
I think the real subtext here, and of course Watergate

881
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,599
was an excuse and Nixon himself admitted it. He says,

882
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,000
I gave them a sword, and if I'd have been them,

883
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:39,440
I'd have done the same thing with it.

884
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 3: Right.

885
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 5: That was the famous David Frost interview. But look, the

886
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,639
I think the real subtext here and the sort of

887
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,960
lingering and significant storyline for us today is that bureaucracy decided,

888
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:53,239
the permanent government, the deep state, whatever you want to

889
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,440
call it, They decided Nixon has to go because he

890
00:46:56,639 --> 00:47:01,320
is an existential threat to our existence and our program. Right,

891
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,719
Nixon understood, and he was starting to say something that

892
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,199
Republicans still have trouble saying directly, and then I'll shut

893
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,320
up our permanent bureaucracy, the administrative state, whatever you want

894
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,239
to call it. It is the partisan instrument of the

895
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Democratic Party. And that's why any threat to it.

896
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: So you know your.

897
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,119
Speaker 5: Bushes are not going to threaten it very seriously. And look,

898
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,400
they tried to take Reagan down using the same law

899
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,360
fair playbook with a ran contra. But Trump once the

900
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,599
ind comes along and as a direct threat to them

901
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,920
with specific proposals. That explains why the left is ginning

902
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,440
up about Project twenty twenty five, even though it's an

903
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,800
exercise that heritage has done for forty years. And so

904
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,079
you know, if Trump wins as I as I say

905
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,880
I expect he will, you're going to see them try

906
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,320
and run the exact same playbook one more time.

907
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: I but I would disagree with one thing you say

908
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,599
to disagree with small point, because you actually contradicted yourself

909
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,039
in that whole one. Because what you said was the

910
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:04,440
administrative state, how did you put it? Is the is

911
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:10,199
the Democratic Party, it's the part as an instrument of

912
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,920
the uniparty, Steve, and you said that because the very

913
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,159
next thing you said was the Bushes aren't going to uh,

914
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,760
you know, do anything about that. The the the the

915
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:26,440
the Republican party establishment is almost as guilty and complicit

916
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:30,880
in refusing to allow kind of back to what John

917
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:36,679
even said, refusing to allow any Republican president or presidential

918
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:41,039
candidate to criticize too deeply the swamp. Call it that,

919
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,719
and that sounds a little bit childish to put it

920
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,800
that way, but I mean it sincerely. And that is

921
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:53,320
that that because the Republicans wouldn't stand behind Nixon. And

922
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,719
I don't think it's just because they were, you know,

923
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,800
watching the polls and so forth, Because they weren't responsible

924
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,320
for some of the negative press that that Nixon was getting.

925
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,800
In all that, Republicans have shown themselves over and over,

926
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,360
with few exceptions, that they're not willing to stand behind

927
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,880
a candidate who wants to clean house of the federal government.

928
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,559
And so that's where I would disagree, and I think

929
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,840
if you put it in that context, it explains why

930
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,960
Nixon was not supported in nineteen seventy four, and it

931
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:26,960
explains why Trump wasn't supported in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

932
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,400
all through his presidency, and why Trump is not supported

933
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,599
by many members of the Republican establishment today because they

934
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:37,320
don't want Trump to do what Trump wants to do.

935
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,440
They didn't want Nixon to do what Nixon wanted to do,

936
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:45,440
because there's just too much at stake for the way

937
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,320
things operate on a daily basis in Washington, d C.

938
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,719
For Republicans even to want that whole nice little situation

939
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,960
that've got to end, whether it's defense contractors, on and

940
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,519
on and on. I could go on this forever, and

941
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:58,719
I won't. I'll quit now.

942
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 6: Well that's a big subject.

943
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 7: But I'm going to go back to a point you made, Steve,

944
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,039
because I just don't remember this. I'm sure you're probably right.

945
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,719
You say Nixon was making noises about really taking on

946
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the federal bureaucracy.

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Speaker 6: I mean Nixon found the EPA.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, right, yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 7: I'm just forgetting I was younger then, but I mean,

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I don't remember Nixon making war on the federal bureaucracy.

951
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Speaker 3: Well, well it's a long Oh no. No, he understood what.

952
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Speaker 5: Had gone wrong, I think, and wanted to reverse course

953
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dramatically in a second term.

954
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Speaker 3: But he just want to abolish the EPA.

955
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Speaker 5: He wanted to actually centralize control of the bureaucracy in

956
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the White House and have a super cabinet. There's a

957
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great book about this from Gus the late seventies called

958
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The Plot That Failed, And the opening scene is it's

959
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my liberal professor named Richard Nathan. It's a great makes

960
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for great reading. But he said, was he overheard his

961
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conversation on a plane in early seventy three. We were

962
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one liberal operative says to another on the shuttle New York.

963
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You realize Nixon's only weeks away from taking over the

964
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federal government. That becomes the whole storyline of the book.

965
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,679
And yeah, no, Nixon's a complicated person. We didn't perceive

966
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this very well. The administrative state and spending arguably grew

967
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more under him than under the.

968
00:51:09,039 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 3: Great Society, and that is a big problem. That's one

969
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of the great Wait.

970
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Speaker 5: So well, that was why you know my mentor stand

971
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Evans used to say, you know, I didn't support Nixon

972
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until after Watergate, you know, after.

973
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Speaker 3: Wage and price controls, and water was a breath of

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fresh air.

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Speaker 7: Yes, well, this is one of the great historical moments

976
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with Nixon or Ford. I think it was in Nixon

977
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and then carried on by Ford and Dick Cheney, and

978
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you know the Donald Rumson charge of waging price control.

979
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:45,119
I know, I mean conservatism in the nineteen seventies was.

980
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Speaker 6: Not when it later became.

981
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Speaker 5: William Simon was the first energi zar, which is, you know,

982
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on principle he couldn't shouldn't, okay.

983
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Speaker 4: Right, But to his credit, Nixon had a plan for

984
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building something like one hundred nuclear reactors. Correct, They had

985
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this big strategy where that we're going to become completely

986
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,440
energy independance. We would have had so much, so much

987
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,280
electricity at this point that it would be too cheap, demeter,

988
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,800
it would be pennyche I mean that, you know, like,

989
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,239
as you said, he was a complicated man and no

990
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,639
one understands him but his woman.

991
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:18,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

992
00:52:18,599 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, John, we got a few minutes left. Anything

993
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,360
you want to leave us with any parting thoughts, any warnings,

994
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,440
anything for the great national audience to remember that only

995
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:28,400
US Minnesotans know.

996
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,119
Speaker 7: Well, not really, I mean I would just add this thought.

997
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,679
I'm appalled at Tim Wall's being the vice presidential choice

998
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,360
because because Kambala may very well win and I don't

999
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:46,440
want Tim Walls anywhere near the levers of power. On

1000
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:51,760
the other hand, one interesting phenomenon is how now that

1001
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,599
he's the vice presidential nominee, light is being shown on

1002
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,679
him and his administration, his policies, his con in a

1003
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,039
way that's never happened here in Minnesota. Despite our best efforts, James,

1004
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,599
the Star Tribune and the other media here in Minnesota

1005
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:13,320
have done nothing but run interference for Tim Walls. I've

1006
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,880
got a good friend who was active in the twenty

1007
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,440
eighteen Republican campaign when Walls first got elected governor and

1008
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:28,199
kept trying to talk to local reporters about Tim Walls's

1009
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,920
military service and how he abandoned his battalion and lied

1010
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,239
about his rank. All this stuff was known then, and

1011
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,000
the reporters uniformly told him that's an old story, it's

1012
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,239
been covered, we won't write about it. And you know,

1013
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,400
it's really interesting how this is. It's a kind of

1014
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,199
a case study in how in how it's not just

1015
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,639
the national media, you know, that's in the tank for

1016
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:54,039
the Democrats. In some respects, local media tends to be worse.

1017
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,920
And it's kind of fun for me to see people

1018
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,360
finally paying attention to Tim Walls's record.

1019
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,039
Speaker 4: We'll see, and we'll also see how people outstate regard

1020
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,239
this whole weird charge. I think one of the most

1021
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,320
rustive illus trading things about the administration happened a couple

1022
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,239
of years ago. I think a couple of years ago

1023
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,679
during the trans day of Visibility at the state Capitol. Now,

1024
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,800
I'm of the opinion that if somebody wants to declare

1025
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,800
themselves to be another gender and where the clothing of

1026
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,400
that other sex, fine, I don't care. There's a club

1027
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,119
for you, I'm sure, I don't care. Don't ask me

1028
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,360
to agree to conform to the general ideology to anything,

1029
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,960
don't ask me to be anything but indifferent. However, I

1030
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,280
do draw the line at having an event in the

1031
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,480
state Capitol where this guy on heels is dancing on

1032
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,440
the state's seal, which is embedded in the floor of

1033
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,840
the rotunda. It's actually this sort of thing you cannot do.

1034
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:50,320
There are ropes around it out of respect, you're not

1035
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,679
supposed to walk across it. But we have this event

1036
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,079
where everybody's whooping and whooping and hollering and cheering at

1037
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:58,920
this guy staggering around doing a horrible dance in high

1038
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,760
heels on the state seal itself. And to oppose that,

1039
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:09,719
to find that deplorable, is weird. Apparently that act that

1040
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,519
show is not itself weird, but to have an objection

1041
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,079
to it, to have an opinion about it even is

1042
00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:18,719
being seen as weird. And that is how the culture

1043
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,239
of the Metro at least has shifted in the many

1044
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,280
years that I've been here.

1045
00:55:22,639 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: Now before they removed that seal since.

1046
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 7: James No, this is my point of lucretia. That seal

1047
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:34,960
no longer exists. You know why, because Tim Walls's committee

1048
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,119
didn't like it. There was an Indian on it on horseback,

1049
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:42,639
a pioneer pine trees waterfall, the state mottol and the

1050
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,000
date eighteen fifty eight, that was the date when Minnesota

1051
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:51,719
became a state. Tim Walls's committee said we shouldn't celebrate

1052
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,440
that date. That was a tragedy that Minnesota joined the Union.

1053
00:55:57,079 --> 00:55:59,760
That was a terrible, terrible thing. We have to take

1054
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,960
that date off the state seal. And so the Indian's gone,

1055
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,760
the Pioneer is gone, the date is gone, it's all gone,

1056
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:09,559
and now it's just a loon. So the state seal

1057
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:13,719
that guy danced on, symbolically that was a preview of

1058
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:14,400
things to come.

1059
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,079
Speaker 6: Because that state seal has now been retired.

1060
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Well in the state seal is no longer on your flag.

1061
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,639
Instead you have the wanna be Somali flag.

1062
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,079
Speaker 3: Not as badly.

1063
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the real question is whether or not you will

1064
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,280
be sand blasted or dynamited off one of the buildings

1065
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,199
in the State Fair because one of the old nineteen

1066
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,039
thirties nineteen forties barns I remember has the States has

1067
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:37,840
the old seal on it. So I'm curious whether we're

1068
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,679
going to go full or well and statue here and

1069
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:43,440
and jackhammer that thing off because its sentiments are no

1070
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:47,280
longer to be shared. History is such a bothersome impediment

1071
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,840
to getting us all into the year zero. Gosh darn it. Anyway, John,

1072
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,760
thanks so much. Everybody should go daily as you go

1073
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,800
to Ricochet too, power line blog dot com and have

1074
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,800
a good read. John, enjoy your lunch. Thank you for

1075
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,920
joining us today.

1076
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,039
Speaker 5: And James, can I just get in a very quick

1077
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:05,199
closing note of course, listeners should know that I have

1078
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,360
filed an injunction in federal court under the old common

1079
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,079
law doctrine of adverse possession to take permanent ownership of

1080
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,360
Peter Spot since he's gone a Wallace, and Lucretia is

1081
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,159
recruiting a team of the best medical doctors to give

1082
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:22,599
the long overdue rhinoplasty to Rob Long.

1083
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,239
Speaker 7: So, Fustine, I gotta warn your adverse possession takes twenty

1084
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,920
one years, so you might have to wait a while, you.

1085
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: Know, you know what the next year is going to

1086
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,920
feel like at least twenty So yeah, Johnny Derecord, thank

1087
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,079
you for joining us today in the podcast. To see

1088
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,880
you John, And we've come to an hour, so we're

1089
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,039
going to get out of here because what more needs

1090
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:47,880
to be said, really, except that you want to go

1091
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,119
to Ricochet, where a couple of things will happen. One

1092
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,760
you will be amazed she hadn't gone there before. B

1093
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,639
you will be curious beyond measure to find out what

1094
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:57,199
goes on in the member feed. Well, you have to

1095
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,719
join up for a mere pittance. You can find out

1096
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,119
and join the community there. That's just insane, center right,

1097
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,320
civil conversation you've been looking for all your years in

1098
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,320
the web. Mostly civil, sometimes yes, sometimes you know, not

1099
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,559
so civil. We're only human, what can we say. You

1100
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,440
can also find whether the Ricoshet people are meeting up,

1101
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,159
because it's not just a website. It's a place where

1102
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,639
people arrange meetings, where we meet in human form contact

1103
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,280
and have ribs and drink beer and generally talk about

1104
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,880
everything except politics. Lucritia, thanks for joining us today, Steven again,

1105
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,880
you know, good luck in the adverse possessional lawsuit. I

1106
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,320
take twenty one years, but I hope I'm going to

1107
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,440
be here for that long, and if not, I'm sure

1108
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:36,440
somebody else will be slaughtered in this place with absolute

1109
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,639
frictionless ease. We were brought to you by the people

1110
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,840
that you heard breaking in periodic play the podcast. Support them,

1111
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,280
and you support ricochet dot com, And I tell you

1112
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,360
to give us that five star review and Apple podcasts.

1113
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,519
But you know that already you haven't done it. You

1114
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,159
feel guilty. I forgive you, go do it. Send no more.

1115
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,519
I'm James, Alex here Minneapoli, Stephen Lachritian. It's been a

1116
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:56,599
pleasure and we'll see everybody in the comments at Ricochet

1117
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four point zero.

1118
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Speaker 3: Next time, James,