Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the inquisition. Listeners were calling for
the panel to reconvene after Maduro was kidnapped a guest
for lack of a better term, by the Trump regime,
and people want our thoughts and it's a big topic.
We got a lot to say. We're gonna have the
full panel here, which means Carl and Jay Burden are
also going to be joining us later Right now, though,
me and Thomas sat down to get to get started.
Stormy and Peter on the way, stay tuned for later
in the show where Carl pops in. But uh, Thomas, Man,
there's many angles here, but I think the best place
to start is actually with some of the stuff you've
been tweeting over the last couple of days, which, if
I may paraphrase, it sounds like you're saying, like if
we want to go monro doctor, and we should go
full bore and not this like half assed. I don't
even know what to call it, like military. I guess
we'll call it a military action.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, I
don't I don't believe what Haig Saysn't the Pentagon are
claiming that this was some incredible operation whereby some sort
of you know, some sort of Delta force team somehow
penetrated Venezuelan airspace totally undetected, kidnapped the president despite him
being protected by a hostile opposing force, and not a
shot was fired, or there weren't any casual ts, or
they killed a thousand Cubans or something. I don't believe that.
It's pretty obvious that Maduro was sold out by his
own people, or by some opposition element that had been
curated by the United States, or by you know, some
constellation of actors who'd you know, been bought off, or
you know, saw the writing on the wall and sacrificed
Maduro to avoid, you know, an escalation of hostilities, you know.
The So I don't I don't believe that there was
some ninja operation where by Maduro was teleported out of
Caracas or whatever. What doesn't make any sense about it
is if you read this indictment that came down in
twenty twenty, that's that's when Barr was acting ag it
doesn't make a lick of sense. And this idea that
there's some medi yine style cartel in Venezuela that's trafficking
in cocaine, and that the catalyst for intervening in Venezuela.
That's something It's almost like some random AI generator came
up with that.
Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever done that. I think this
is the first time we've ever even used that excuse.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the president they're trying to rely on
the precedent of operation just cause I I guarantee you
that's why they're proceeding this way. Yeah, which is completely moronic,
you know, and I mean, aside from everything else, you
don't need an elaborate pretext to intervene in a failed
state within America's immediate sphere of influence, you know. And
there's never even a mention of the fact that you know,
this this Camp of the Saints type invasion of you know,
this kind of wretched lump and element that was shoved
across our borders, which was in fact a clear and
present threat to integral national security. Like why is that
not being discussed? Why are we pretending that? What's also
to what's grossly at odds of reality. If you read
the indictment that bar confabulated, he says that Maduro is
a terrorist because he's poisoning American health with cocaine. Now,
cocaine's not cultivated in Venezuela. And in twenty twenty, this
was write at about the zenith of the opioid crisis,
where scores of thousands of Americans were dying of heroin
over loses, and the level of the scale of production
of Afghan heroin during the American occupation was so voluminous
it outstripped global demand, which is utterly insane. So apparently
there's this pivot to an interdiction and enforcement strategy with
respect to drugs, but we're ignoring opiates. The flood of
Afghan heroine when we were occupying the country, it was
of no concern. But Maduro is an imaginary cocaine dealer,
and this is a clear and present threat to American
national security and also makes him a terrorist. That that is,
so that is staggering in its stupidity. That's the stupidest
thing ever heard in my wife.
Speaker 1: It's it's total bullshit.
Speaker 2: Uh bullshit, it's fucking stupid, child with it.
Speaker 3: It's insulting the just let me, let me, let me
ask you something about operation just cause was Noriega declared
like a non state actor at that time. Because as
I'm reading, as I'm reading and watching this, basically Maduro
is being like, it reminds me of Nuremberg. They're saying
that he's like a there is no legitimate government, he's
not a legitimate government actor. He's not a legitimate uh
head of state. So we're gonna charge him on machine uncharges.
I mean this sounds just like like the Nuremberg playbook
to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's exponentially more moronic with operation just caused
the claim was uh and I think basically operated this
cause was was was precedented is in terms of how
America's proceeded in Latin America, whether you're talking about the
the Vera Cruz occupation or the Pancho Villa expedition or
a number of other things. The immediate cad list was
the murder of Lieutenant Robert Patz, who was a Marine
intelligence officer, and Pamamian Defense Forces just straight up murdered
him at this checkpoint. On top of that, No Diego
was saying that he was gonna he that he was
gonna make the Panama Canal zone and no go zone
for US. So orts said, that's an act of war,
which it was. On top of that, Noriega actually was
he himself wasn't a drug trafficker, but he was taxing
cocaine as it came through the Panama Canal zone. And
he was essentially refusing to participate in interdiction operations, which
after Escobar had put an open contract out on DEA
agents and country. That essentially meant that Noriega was collaborating
with an enemy actor who was at war with the
United States. There's no reason you can't indict a sitting
ahead of state and uh Noriega is uh. The way
Bush proceeded, I think was entirely appropriate, and the broader
constellation of of of power political affairs, that the challenges
that were being levied against American power by Escabar in
his organization, which was a real cartel. The things like
that don't exist anymore. And even if they did there
it's it's certainly not there's not narcotics originating in Venezuela.
That's preposterously stupid. But the way they're trying to pretend, uh, Like,
on the one hand, supposing the Trump administration rejects this
fiction of the rules based order, but they're refusing to
act in a power political capacity. They're they're tacitly acknowledging
there's not the forces in being the political will or
the or the the uh, you know, the the ability
to it's actually changed the situation on the ground by
military means. But then they're also saying that this isn't
an you know that this isn't we're not at warth Venezuela.
This is some sort of criminal proceeding against Maduro. But
then they but then this, but then the DJ basically
redacted any reference to cartels because Maduro actually clicked up
with with the very good Council. And they're absolutely shredding
this alleged fact pattern because it doesn't make any sense. So,
I mean, the whole thing, it's competency crisis written large
because these people are these people are complete fucking morons.
Like I say, they're stupid, Like doesn't even begin to
it doesn't even begin to describe it. These people are
staggeringly fucking stupid.
Speaker 1: They're lying, Yeah, they're lying there lying.
Speaker 2: It's also just unbelievably stupid. I mean, like, that's not
stupid life, it's not if you're gonna and it's it's
it's not necessary. And it's like, if you want to
what I'm saying that Maduro is a terrorist, because we're
gonna pretend it's nineteen ninety and he's hitting a cartel
even though there's not any meaningful narcotics uh commerce emerging
from Venezuela. Like that's I can'ticize a stupidness. Is it's
it's totally delusional, you know, it's and that that's the
difference that it doesn't And also Duro is basically he's
a holdover from the start. The guys that he's a
holdover from the child As regime and Chavas. Chav has
actually had a lot of cloud, you know. And like
I said on Ethan Ralph's stream last night, you know,
Castro Cashro didn't have the kind of prestige towards the
end of his life that he did during the Cold War, obviously,
but Castrow himself had a lot of cloud among Latin
American people, and uh Castro essentially, you know, gave declared
Chavas to be his successor, you know, as as the
primary you know, leader of the revolutionary cause and in
Latin America, you know, so, but uh Maduro doesn't have
that kind of momentum behind him and or credibility with
a body politic. And I know people claim that Modua
was some sort of strong man because he he he
survived since twenty thirteen or something. It's like, okay, but
Venezuela is a failed state. Like if your country becomes
a failed state under your tenure and you managed to
merely survive, I you know, that doesn't that that doesn't
someone suggests that you're some major player. You know that
you're at the helm of manipulating events and you know
in any meaningful or just positive way, you know, And
I ultimately, if this comes down and the reason why
this happened, it's you know, Venezuela is a sentencey to
the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Basically, Venezuela needed to be bailed
out by massive capital investments and there's a lot of
potential in Venezuela, but it requires broad based and long
term infrastructure projects. So essentially they threw their lot in
with you know, the SEO and Moscow and Pey King,
which was a wise move considering their circumstances. But obviously,
you know that's a concern to Washington. But it's like, Okay,
then proceed that way, you know, in terms of these
developments representing a powerpolitical challenge within America's immediate sphere of influence,
and if you're gonna intervene, you know, pursuing to them
in road doctrine, you need to actually intervene. You know,
this kind of half measure or some sort of perfunctory
and performative gesture that's worse than doing nothing because it
exposes you as weak. You know. So this was this
was about the worst possible course of action. But it's
also just staggeringly moronk. You know, like I said, like
it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean what I've heard from people is well,
we you know, now that's one less anti white you know,
sou South American, Latin American dictator, but they're always white. Well,
I mean, how were you going to argue? You can't
argue with these people and they're saying this. They're saying
this while there's fucking governors and mayors and you know,
senators and freaking high level politicians in this country who
are anti white. But I guess, because you can't do
anything about them, it's okay to just go over and
just start fucking with other names like like this always
works out really well, right.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with these people though, because they're they're
they're niggers. I mean, like there are some niggers are white.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't argue with I don't argue with
retards or with helots, and like they don't understand, like
they are the brown people. It's like if you're something
like well, if you're descended from the village idiot and
you're some, you're you're some like Walmart and Mega person
who thinks he understands who thinks he understands world affairs
because he looks at memes like I you know, I
mean that that's like arguing with some shitty hobo on
the CTA. You like, why would I argue with those
people like they they are the brown people, like it
being like non pigment, it doesn't make you white, Like
those people are the n words, like they are the
brown people. They think they're opposing, Well, they're like my
point view creamis who think that they're Nazis by ethnically
cleansing themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my point was is like Okay, so we're suffering
this Nuremberg regime for eighty plus years now the New
Deal regime, and we're gonna go and basically try to
turn a country that wasn't suffered, was basically doing everything
they could to try to not become that, and we're
going to turn it into it and that makes us,
that makes our our lives better. How how My question was,
how does this make my life better? How does this
make it the nation? How does it make my How?
How did my.
Speaker 5: People's lives improve by this?
Speaker 3: And why am I being attacked for saying this is
fucking stupid?
Speaker 4: Do you mind have as said something? Yes?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: Still all right? I think the real problem with this
and how it's being discussed is that it's being discussed
as a win, right, and that's not really how it
should be being discussed. The real reason we're having these
disagreements with, you know, less educated people who you know,
maybe through events or circumstances, find themselves you know, preoccupied
with you know, trades work or things like that don't
give them time to study these type of things is
that it's because the administration is presenting it like a
huge win, because it has been unable to provide any
wins at home. The administration has been forced, really through
the tempo of Benjamin att Yahoo, to spend all its
time focusing on putting fires out outside of the United States.
He's a candidate that ran on specifically anti interventionists and
more ending and fixing all these problems at home. Since
he's been able to do none of these things, because
he's allowed himself to be distracted and his focus deterred
to the needs of certain special interest groups, he is
now presenting the administration is now presenting this as a win,
presenting it as something that he has done for you
and people at home, when that's not the case. This
is just something a nation should do. You don't allow
hostile forces to build up infrastructure, right in any of
these countries. You just simply don't allow it. You don't allow.
Speaker 2: The it.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah that's not but the thing about it, you
just don't. You just don't allow it.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: The Chinese and the Chine hold on. The Chinese are
the type of people that you know, want bad things
to happen to America. Right, So basically this is preemptive, right,
But removing Maduro, you're preventing the opportunity, right, or the
ability to make Americans' lives worse, right by preventing this
from being used as a jump off point by countries
that hate them, Right, this is just things that you
should do. It's part of your job. Like, Yeah, I
saw a fucking, you know, very sketchy looking guy you know,
that was driving around the neighborhood and in a van,
had a bunch of like be and e utility fucking
tools in his vehicle, was scoping out fucking people's houses.
So I basically caught up with him and told them, like,
if you come back here again, you're going to call
the police. I'm going to shoot you. Right, that's not
a win. That's just you doing your job, right, you
protecting or you preventing people to use the lands in
and around your nation as a jump off point to
come fuck with you. That's just your job. It's not
a win. Like there should be no fanfare for this.
There should be you know, no, And literally it's all
just fucking It's all Trump and messaging. It's them trying
to turn what is their job, things that just should
be done, into a win because they've been unable to
provide it. And because they're doing this, this is going
to turn something that should have just been forgettable, like, oh,
the Pentagon did this today. Oh that's good. Right, Oh
they stopped a bunch of you know, Iranian fucking guys
or whatever from coming across the southern border. Oh that's good,
and you just scroll right past it. But because they
are turning it into this type of big win, this
big achievement, it is going to boomerang and blow up
in their face. Right, you are making it this big thing,
and the incompetence that Thomas was talking about now has
an opportunity to fucking detonate in your lap like a bomb.
And you brought this all upon yourself, Like this should
have been done with zero fanfare. This should just be
what the fucking president does, right, the same as if
it was any other country, like if Canada.
Speaker 1: For him to get on a news conference on Air
Force one with Lindsay Graham is just about the worst
fucking thing he could have done, Like, why are you
operating all the most hate people out? Go ahead, Jay?
Speaker 4: If we just did this though, hold on and he
didn't say anything and we just found out about it
was just scroll through, Like would we be having this
discussion at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I get mad when I see Lindsay Graham and
Trump on Air Force One talking about next We're going
to do Iran, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: Well, I think that we're right to bring up the
chaos at home because the Trump administration is on a
series of els. Obviously, the immigration stuff is playing well
to their base, but in a lot of other areas
there's a lot of demoralization going on. The magabase is
in the process of splintering. Some of that is over
Israel Palestine, some is over other issues. But I think
a large part of the reason that this was branded
in such a dumb way, that this was branded as
you know, fighting drugs, I think effectively that was for
domestic concerns. This was something they wanted to do. There
were reasons to do it, and for whatever reason, Trump
is unwilling and or unable right not mutually exclusive to
commit troops to the ground's apparently from what I'm reading,
extremely reticent to do that, and so a situation like
this where to be honest, from my reading, either Maduro
was betrayed from the inside or this was a negotiated
situation because look like sure there was some bombing, but
flying you know, several dozen of your most valuable soldiers
into a nation's capital with active air defenses is stupid.
I don't believe that's what happened. And so I think, honestly,
that's a large part of it, Like how do we
sell this to the large magabase, Like I don't know, drugs,
it's the cartels. We're fighting the cartels like we said
we would. You know, we're stopping the flow of fentanyl,
that thing that we keep mentioning. And so I think
that's probably why this is stupid and it doesn't make
sense because it's stupid and it doesn't make sense. And
to Thomas's point about a crisis of legitimacy, this is
something we're seeing across the board that this administration is floundering,
unable to make good on their promises. And yeah, look like,
is there a way to accomplish this goal of getting
Maduro out of power that you know, accomplishes something that
needs to be done, doesn't create a crisis of legitimacy. Sure,
but that would require competent people at the helm and
it's clear that this administration is not competent in that way.
Speaker 2: What alseo. So I'm going to keep in mind too
there's absolutely no possibility of some operation like just Cause
being realized on the ground of Venezuela. That would take
a commitment of tens of thousands of combat troops on
the ground in Venezuela. There aren't hotels. That that's a
fiction of It's something in the fevered imaginings of of
the prominent justice lawyers and make work Pentagon types. But
you know, farc is very active still on the Colombian
Venezuelan frontier. There's all manner of armed groupings and constellations
of non state actors and what amounts to a giant
bandit country. You're you're not gonna occupy Venezuela and change
the political culture on the ground unless you're talking about
a massive commitment of forces and some very serious attrition. Okay,
you're talking about real war, and then you're talking about
hostile occupation while infrastructure is built up and protected, you know,
and Venezuela becomes a functioning country again and moving forward,
you know, turned into a client state. Like don't get
me wrong, that's not impossible. But this America can't do
that kind of thing anymore, you know, and it hasn't
been able to do for decades in my opinion, So
anybody talking that way is just talking shit. Just like
when shemails like Lindsey Graham like lists of about how
they're gonna take down Iran, it's like your delusion. Like
the rest of the world laughs at you when you
act that way because it's a joke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Let me let me just add something real quick to
what you're saying. This is an excellent point. What we're
doing right now does nothing at all to the paramilitaries
in the southwest of the country. What Thomas is talking
about that they're called the ex Fark Mafia. The FARC
officially disbanded in twenty seventeen, but there's also the eln
down there. There's like six thousand of them. They're heavily
armed with like real military weaponry. They stage real military
raids on each other's bases, and the military, the Colombian
military camp buck with them. What we're doing in Venezuela
right now, which by the way, that's where all the
problem is coming from, is those guys. They traffic the
cocaine through Ecuador and up the Pacific. What we're doing
now does nothing to address them. They will be completely
untouched as of right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean the what's also too I you know,
if I think that there was a soft part, there
was a soft power way to prevent this situation from
developing where Venezuela is a failed state and PIY king
in Moscow were kind of picking at the bones and
transforming it into a client regime, you know, of the SCO.
I you know, but America doesn't have any ability to
manipulated outcomes through soft power incentives. And I mean you
actually need a foreign policy establishment to do that, and
you also need you know, you need On the one hand,
uh Elon Musk has done some good things, particularly on
the tech side, but the guys are political illiterate, and
you need you need people to control capital at massive
scale who actually are politically sophisticated. You know, if you
want to if you want to endure the superpower, there's
got to be a kind of integration of power, you know, political, military,
big business. These things have to kind of work in concerts,
and there's got to be something of a shared vision,
and there's got to be an understanding of what common
interests entail and then everybody profits. And that's how America
won the Cold War, Okay, moving forward, Uh, you can't
accomplish those kinds of things with this uh you know,
kind of scattershot approach that's totally incoherent, that's also colored
by irrational ethno sectarian interests, you know that supersede all else.
And then you know this, Uh, these kinds of half
measures that uh are you know, are are are presented
for temestic consumption as being driven by totally obsolescent policy paradigms.
But you know, people in the control element uh actually
believe that that's the rais on Detroit. You know that
this is Uh, I forgive me if you're continuing to
coming back to this example, but this this is Soviet
like Okay, it's it's it's it's sanility, you know, and
there's not you know, like I said, And you don't
need to be some sort of you know, uh general
or or some sort of brilliant it gieostrategic analyst to
understand that half measures are worse than doing nothing in
power political terms. You know that's uh, that's Metterniche, Macchiavelli, Bismarck.
You know, the Cliff Snowes version. If you take nothing
else away from the uh, the precedent there in. I mean,
that's what's clear, you know, and I I think that's
really at the core of it is, UH, these things
what's the same thing too. I mean, like Trump's been
He's proven himself totally unable to impact uh the Ukraine,
UH that the crusade against the Russian Federation. And this
man is the president of the United States and he
he he mumbles his way through these uh prepared statements
every time there's some summit supposedly with you know, the UH,
the Ukrainians, or some sort of conversation with Putin, but
he has absolutely no ability to force an outcome. You know,
like that's pathetic, and the rest of the world sees that,
and that's one of the reason why America has no credibility,
you know, and this UH and people taking things at
face value. You know, if this kind of bizarre pretend
indictment of Maduro and Lieu of actually altering conditions on
the ground that that just looks senile to the rest
of the world, that that's not some intimidating flex it's
just bizarre. You know.
Speaker 3: But but but, but but the Monroe doctrine, David, you
heard of the Monroe Doc Trins Thomas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should if you're gonna enforce it, it should
actually be enforced, is my point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's this. This isn't the Monroe doctrine.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's why. That's also why I don't I
there's this, this precedes Trump and it's like a miracleill
pursue a course of abject lawlessness, but then they'll invoke
the sort of cobbled together nonsensical rationales that seem to
be devised to represent some sort of legalistic cover. But
they they don't even comply with that paradigm logically.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, and it's it's nonsensical, you know. And well
it's also too I I mean, we were particularly hit
hard here in Chicago by this uh invasion from Venezuela
of lump and criminal elements. I'm not exaggerating. There's a
bunch of latary h males with tattoos on their faces
and criminal records, many of whom are obviously mentally ill,
who flooded our country. Like that's cool, but imaginary cocaine
dealing is a big problem. I mean, like this is
that's that's uncomfortable, that this was not addressed, you know,
other than in you know, people were acting like including Bondie,
including from himself, like this is some sort of accidental
state of affairs or just like an oversight in terms
of you know, enforcement or negligence you know of of
the Biden administration. Like look, this was the Mariial boat
lift two point zero. It was very deliberate, you know,
very much at camp of the same kind of situation,
and this had real world consequences that continue to be
felt At Trompen any balls, he would have said, this
is unacceptable. And any state that utilizes you know, migration
as a as A as a detonation strategy is going
to be treated as a as a as a hostile actor,
you know, and we're gonna respond with military means and
necessary antion to repatriating every single person who you know
is is so uh identified as constituting part of that element.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: But but there's been like narry a word about that,
like apparently that's okay. Just like you know, I feel
very strong about this, admittedly for personal reasons, but thousands
upon thousands of people have died, people in the prime
of their lives from heroin that was cultivated in Afghanistan
and subsequently fentanel, a lot of which originates in China. Frankly,
there's there's never a word about this. Nobody cares or
people say that it's good because they hate junkies. Yet
we're supposed to pretend to be outraged about Madureau's imaginary
cocaine like that that's offensive. You know, there's been Vietnam
level attrition of an entire generation of young people owing
to the opioid crisis, and people pretending that they care about,
you know, America's health being poisoned by cocaine, by Madurea
the terrorists. That that's that's grossly offensive.
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone buys it, even the people
who parrot it, they're just parroting it. They don't. No
one buys it. And it's just that hurts his credibility.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. That that's why it's worse than
doing nothing. Yes, I know that Trump had this. There
was this bizarre press conference I guess forty towards May
days ago now where he was just kind of like
mumbling his way through, like dude, you know, it's going
to take a load of money, and you know, to
bring Venezuela big and fix it. It's like, okay, well
what does that entail?
Speaker 5: I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I mean and again, is there is there
gonna be an occupation of Venezuela that would take probably
two hundred thousand men, you know, with a real comic capability.
Like what firms are gonna undertake this infrastructural development? Like
where's his money coming from? Is the taxpayer is gonna
cover it? If it's not being from the private sector.
Is there gonna be some sort of dedicated administration? Is
Congress going to approve that?
Speaker 5: Like what?
Speaker 2: You can't just say things, you know, like I know,
like what's what's uh?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: And it never power political affairs never come down to
the decisions of one single man or or or individual actors.
But I mean, in macduall's case, the guy was something
of a cipher. I maintain that, you know, what is
uh is swapping out mcduroll even for a even for
a h a sort of client successor who's very much
you know, in the pocket of the administration. I mean
that that in of itself, that doesn't that doesn't do anything.
You know, you're you're if there's gonna be something to
Marshall Plan for Venezuela.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's gotta be.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 2: There's gotta be a a real program to realize that.
And I have no reason to believe that there's anything
like that. I don't even think it's been discussed. I
know it hasn't because other were hearing about it.
Speaker 3: Well, if you hear one, if you hear one pundent
saying it was about the drugs, if you hear another
one saying it was about the oil, if you hear
another one saying it was about you know that Madurea
was a commie poopy head. You know that it wasn't
about the Marshall plan, because it's if it was about
the Marshall Plan, that's what we would be talking about.
Uh yeah, and it would be you know, I would
respect this so much more if he just got up
there and said the regime is a danger to the
American uh, to Americans, and we needed to change it.
And we're going to get somebody in there who is
friendly and is not going to send is not going
to facilitate drugs coming here, is not going to send
invade our borders by sending military age men here but
that's not what we hear. We hear, Oh, he's anti
he's anti white, He's you know, I mean all this
stuff that doesn't I don't, don't, don't give a fuck.
I mean there's literally anti white people in my fucking county.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Well? Also yeah, I mean it. Uh. Well, also like
these these like these FAGA types who claim to be
like all fixated on like what's anti white. They're they're
like they're made themselves like aren't white. So I don't,
I don't know, I don't know what they're talking about. You're,
like I said, there they're heals. Well, Walmart people aren't white.
But that's a sort of a different question. But no,
it's uh there's a naked irrationality to it. Plus two,
you're just you're just not gonna hear about this again.
There's gonna be because Maduro actually does have real counsel,
He's probably gonna beat some of the I mean, they're
they're gonna trim the indictment and if whatever remaining competent
assistant assistant district attorneys are still at d o J,
assuming it comes across, assuming the indictment comes across their desk. Proverbially,
they're gonna clean it up and make it appear more rational,
and uh, you know, obviously there's no way they're going
to allow Maduro to be acquitted, but you know you're
gonna so in a couple of years, like you know,
he'll be in the news cycle again because of his
show trial. But it was it was like, not hear
about Venezuela again. You know, it'll be like Trump's pretend
war against Iran where uh these uh obsolescent uh strategic bombers,
uh the dumped conventional payloads on some like empty parking
lot in Iran and then Trump went on TV and
mumbled about how he killed the final boss of the
imaginary Iranian nuclear program and then only just like never
heard about it again. You know, it's also called kafa
ee and like pretend garbage.
Speaker 6: So what do you guys make of a line that
I'm hearing from kind of the neo con right, which
is basically saying, you know, you, you woke right idiots
predicted that you know this, our involvement in Venezuela would
turn into a quagmire. You predicted that our involvement in
Iran would turn into a quagmire, and don't you feel
stupid now because we were able to do it in
just you know, one raid. Obviously that's not a criticism
made in good faith, But what do you make of
that line of reasoning.
Speaker 2: Because it's just it's more, it's more late Soviet you know, propaganda,
Trump's reality. You know, memes are you know, superseded, you know,
substantive analysis, you know. I mean, I if if the metric,
I mean, what are the parameters here? It's yeah, okay,
I mean if the metric is America wins, because if
you know, basically insignificant chief executive of a failed state
is hailed into court for a for a show trial.
I mean, if that's your objective, I okay, I mean
that that that's that's a pointless objective, you know, the
ability to alter outcomes on the ground. I just laid
out what it would take in order to purge PRC
and and Russian in fluence in Venezuela, and in loose terms,
I describe what it would take to build up Venezuela
and infrastructure to the point where these sort of hostile
and revolutionary elements wouldn't really have an avenue of ingress
into the quarters of power. Okay, there's there's not some
countervealing prospect for how that would be realized that I'm
talking about reality, like declaring that if you drop bombs
on on sand or if you negotiate the capture of
you know, an irrelevant cipher who was you know, sitting
in the in the presidential palace. Okay, I mean again,
that's a meaningless objective.
Speaker 1: To Jay's point, My my stance on this is that
the people who are screaming the sky is falling, we're
gonna invade Iran, We're gonna invade Venezuela, We're gonna get
bogged down in a quagmire. I simply think they're just
as dishonest as the neocons, just in the other direction. Yeah,
thank you, And.
Speaker 3: I mean you don't have to say that you're gonna
get bogged down in a quagmire. Started bombing Somali in
what ninety eight, ninety nine to two thousand, and now
there's a Samal and now there's Somali's like all over.
The fucking United States invaded Afghanistan and didn't get out
into and you know, didn't get bin Laden because he
escaped to Pakistan decided to stay there. Now Afghani's are killing,
murdering people, people that we brought over, I mean people
who helped us there are killing Americans in the fucking street.
Speaker 5: Look, yeah, look, I mean sorry that.
Speaker 3: I understand that history sometimes takes two decades to happen,
but is this going to I mean, El Salvador is
now the safest place in the Western Hemisphere. Do you
know how many people who emigrated from El Salvador in
the last fifteen years have gone back to All Salvador
point zero point zero five percent. You think, do you
think these Venezuelans are going back? You're out of your
fucking minds. You fucking people are retarded. That's another retarded,
fucking argument.
Speaker 5: I hear. No.
Speaker 3: Whenever, it seems like since the nineteen seventies, when Jewish
influence has just, i mean absolutely swarmed the United States government,
whenever we go somewhere, whenever we do something somewhere, those
people end up here. You bomb, we're here, you bomb
someplace to.
Speaker 5: End up here. Or look at Europe.
Speaker 3: Europe just gets fucking flooded just because you know, I
mean Ireland. Ireland was neutral in the Second World War. Oh,
so they need to be punished. So you're going to
send every retard, retarded prisoner from the Middle East, you know,
in Africa to them.
Speaker 5: This is where are you fucking look?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we're not libertarians on here, at least
I'm not anymore. But Ron Paul said in two thousand
and eight, he ran on the platform of bring the
fucking troops home and put him on the border.
Speaker 5: Let's protect the homeland.
Speaker 3: If you go searching for you, if you go bombing places,
those fucking people end up here. And if and if
this was really about drugs, you'd be invading Mexico and
going to war with the you know, and making sure
that Mexican because that's right on our border.
Speaker 5: Well again, but no, they're like, oh, but they're casualties.
But we'll take casualties.
Speaker 3: Okay, at least there's a fucking at least there's a
better there's a better reason to go to to invade Mexico.
Speaker 2: So if Americans, Americans think it's funny, if if if
drog adics die, like if you're a drawing at, Americans
hate you, Like, don't believe for a second that Americans
care about drugs.
Speaker 5: You're you're You're.
Speaker 2: Americans are more contempt for for people and as addicts
than almost anybody. You're an approved hate target like that.
Speaker 4: Let's just clarify that none of this is inherent in
the American character itself. Right, These are not like things
Americans believe. These are things that a particular group of
people have basically forced Americans to be bathed in twenty
four to seven in a vile type of cultural propaganda. Right.
This is none of the things that Thomas is saying,
none of the things that I'm saying, none of the
things that Pete is saying about these people. Right. Why
do Walmart people exist because they've been forced into basically
an inch above being homeless, forced to live in an
attenuated existence on the verge of homelessness and penury. Right,
a type of serfdom that is more cruel, more unusual,
and on much harsher terms than any peasant in the
Middle Ages, Right, any surf in Tsarist Russia. So there's
no personal fault of these people. These people have been
bathed in frankly Jewish propaganda. It's very easy to hate
the drug addicts because then nobody has to worry about
cleaning them up. That might get you hitler. A lot
of the solutions to a lot of the problems that
Americans have find themselves very cold too. If you were
to let their own you know, morals guide them to
solutions around these problems, or whether they found them morally offensive,
well that might get you hitler. So it's much easier
and much safer to make them this indifferent and then
make them you know, basically view these smashing of you know,
other nations for their either lack of support to varying
degrees of the Zionis entity. Will give them that as entertainment.
And that's how so many of them are treated because
none of the people in the entire government apparatus that
claim to represent them and care about them actually do,
so they have to live vicariously. None of their leaders,
including the current one, actually gives a fuck about improving
any of their lives, so they have to substitute basically
watching you know, foreign policy machinations play out, and like
a battered kid that's being told like, oh, you're you know,
I'm doing this for you. It sounds stupid, and we
make fun of them, but that's that's all they got.
Speaker 1: I feel like, no alternative about the manufactured opinions about
drugs and drug addicts applies to the refugees quote unquote
refugees in Europe as well. It's the same, it's the
same fucking scenario.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's the same thing. Like you think, are do
you think our women all of a sudden just thought
it's a good idea to fucking kill their own children, right,
or genetically mutilate or uh, what's you called it? Generally
mutilate them? I think they came up with that idea themselves. No,
like people are not. Most people are not cut out
for this type of shit, nor should they. A person
should be able to go about their life right, and
go about the task at which God assigned them and
made them best able to execute. Right. The fucking painter
should be allowed to be a painter. The fucking builder
should be allowed to be a builder as God intended.
It's not. These people shouldn't have to care about this shit.
They shouldn't have to sort through any of the stuff.
Like their cultural apparatus should just exist to basically reflect
back their culture and their ideas. They shouldn't have to
defend themselves from people a culture that's literally trying to
get them to kill themselves.
Speaker 2: People need certainties, they don't need problems. That's you know
that that that's the whole dozzle point of the trial
of Socrates, and I Surrell Socrates actually deserve to be executed.
But I agree at the same time, there is ah
it does not speak well of Americans that like Lindsey
Grahant can be seen in public like without getting his
face based in Like there's something wrong with Americans that
like they tolerate some humans like this having the ability
to manipulate policy, you know, I mean it doesn't Uh.
Speaker 4: I don't understand how he gets elected. He has less
than ten percent support in the well, I mean he
runs America in elections in America, you know that's my point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he you know, the this uh, there's you know,
the man. The man should be in fear of his
life every minute of the day, and like in a
normal society, yep, he would be. So it doesn't speak
all of Americans that these people are allowed to just
kind of go on their merry way, you know, without uh,
without getting dealt with.
Speaker 4: And to Thomas's point, I think the biggest problem that
a lot of right wingers have to kind of understanding
things the way that we do. The biggest barriers they
think that bio Leninism is something that only exists on
the left, right, that the mechanism only exists on the left.
We have our own bio Leninism, same mechanism, just different ideology. Right,
you could call it zio Leninism. This is exactly why
we can't fucking put a court case together that doesn't
sound sound like a fucking the punchline to a joke,
or why we can't have a coherent policy that also
doesn't sound like the punchline of a joke. These people
are ineffectual, not by like happenstance. The metastatization of this
ideology and the people behind it through the systems of government,
like it has physically degraded the human capital in there
because we have been forcing ideological adherents to trump competence
in our personnel selection. And this feedback mechanism goes on
and on and on and on, so we can make
fun of all the purple haired freaks all we want.
We're no better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think generally at maintain conservatives are my main ops.
I mean that made that point again and again. Ye,
and uh that's one of the reasons why I, you know,
increasingly it's it's less of an issue. But I used to.
I used to get approached by people a lot would
say they wanted to collab with me on stuff, and
then I realized, these people have never like read my content.
And then they get mad at me because I'm not.
I mean, I don't know what you can think just
by like looking at me. It's like, how can you
think I'm like some fucking Republican.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I think you look in a
polo shirt.
Speaker 2: I don't it, uh, you know I And then they
get like all upfronted and like deepen their feelings because
it's like, I don't hold those values. I don't think
that way, you know. And uh, I I think that's
a lot more caustic. I mean, despite what you see
in in legacy media and stuff, and despite what people
on the internet say, like, no, nobody actually likes liberals
like they're they're they're they're gross and they're cringe and
you know, nobody wants to be associated with that. Nobody
looks highly upon that kind of thing. It's, uh, you know,
something people experience a kind of natural revulsion around, you know,
in contrast, uh, this kind of bougie conservatism, whether it's
people are actually committed to the these perverse values or
if it's just kind of go along to get along
sort of tolerance for that sort of thing, that that's very,
very corrosive, and that's a that's a real obstacle to
corrective measures and uh socially hygienic solutions. You know, So
if you don't people who can't make that sort of
leaped understanding that conservatism is your enemy. Most of I
had issues with Alex Linder, not personal wise. We just
disagreed on a lot of stuff, and he, you know,
we he periodically say some kind of unflattering things about me,
But one thing he was right about was that, uh,
you know, conservatives are your enemy. And he'd drive that
point home again and again. He said, if you can't,
if you can't make that connection, you're not you're not
you're not in the game. You know, you're just you're
just some you're just some regime loyalists who who doesn't
like immigrants or something, or you know, you don't there's
you're mad because uh, you know, you sent your kid
to public school and they they got filled up with
bad ideas or something. You know. Yeah, so I mean
that's why. But I'm also you know, it's like I told
the guys in Portland when when that the Portland Weavers
asked me to sit on their panel at their event.
You know, I'm like, look, I'm an outlaw and I'm
totally okay with that. And if you're not, if you
identify with this regime, if you think that you've just
got to convince fifty one percent of people that you know,
we need lower taxes and West Mexicans, you're not part
of this, you know, or I mean, I don't know
what you're part of, but it's nothing that I fuck with,
you know.
Speaker 4: So what are you offering in replacement?
Speaker 5: Right? Like?
Speaker 4: Do you do you agree with these ideas of that
you currently exist and you just want them execute it
a little better, a little nicer, a little cleaner, or
and then completely occidentally a jac like are you just
you know, we're if that's what you think, then you
haven't taken anything from these fears thing. Yeah, well, when
it's also it's.
Speaker 2: You know, Hitler made the point that, uh, you know,
the conservatives in his day, they they they cower behind
the National Socialists, you know when when when race war
was in the running, or when they needed someone to
protect them from the Communists in the Berlin and the
Munich street. But then as soon as things stabilized, you know,
they were the first ones to to to say that
the guns the regime should be turned on us, you know.
And I you see the conservatives too, like they act
like during like the Summer of Floyd and stuff, like
all these dudes like so like Joe, all these like
Joe conservative guys suddenly like decided like they wanted to
pretend to be my friend or something like. These are
the same guys who like would like never be seen
in public with me and like call me a junkie
and a piece of shit and stuff. But then like
when they get scared, like suddenly like they they they
want to put on errors or something.
Speaker 4: They want to click up.
Speaker 2: They're like Peter Brimlow, like what I mean, Burden see Brimlow,
He's always like really cool to us, and you like
you like set next to us at the Virginia event
because you know he's not a he's not he's not
he doesn't ask some kind of way about like being
seen talking to me or something. I'm not really sensitive.
I'm not like here to be like or make friends
or something. But I do like resent it that there'll
be all these guys who they'll like plagiarize my ship
or like, look they're my friend, and then just talk
shit about me, you know, and that it's evidence of
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: Conservatives are there to siphon off and draft off your
energy because they can't reproduce it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's that they also just, uh, they want somebody
to power behind when they're afraid, you know, and then
when things normalize, like they don't they you know, they
may be the first ones to say that, you know,
people like me should be locked in prison.
Speaker 4: Yep. And they're forced to make promises. They're forced to
make promises and constantly over promise and under deliver, right,
because they're not their promises. We're the only people that
have that whatever you want to call it, that it factor, right,
We're the only people with ideas that really that are
compelling and move people. So they have to kind of
ape them because it's the only way to gain any
type of real energy. But it dissipates quickly because they're
not their ideas, they're not their promises. But all that
they've done is really like it's just like the the
Department of Homely Insecurity Twitter account posting you know a
nation of one hundred meals is like okay, cool, Like
you can you can steal our images, you can steal
our memes and our ideas, but you're not going to
deliver on them. You physically can't deliver on them. So
all you're doing is over promising. You're selling somebody else's promises.
They're not yours. So what is that going to do
long term?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: It's like a I said once, it's like it's a
deceitful death sentence, right, it doesn't. It doesn't seem like
you're killing yourself, but you are when you try and
steal our ideas and make our promises your promises. But
then all you really actually want to do is preserve
the regime a little bit longer, just with you in
charge of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of these people also, they're
not they're notable of understanding the historical situation. I agree
with that, and so I mean, just in categorical terms,
anybody who's talking about anybody's talking about twentieth century style
of government as if it's still relevant or this perennial
thing there. They don't know what they're talking about. And
people can tell me that that's abstract, but it's really not,
because especially these days, only get technology and and things
and odd aspects of the way certain domain's human activity
has been expedited. And uh, the thing, you know, the
like it's like history really has sped up that it's
not for just perception and it's not just something that
global systems theory types or like you know, amnul Veallerstein
types say so, I mean they were and even know
where that not the case. I mean, you've got to
you've got a tailor practice to what's underway historically, regardless
of if you know you'll live to see it come
to fruition within your individual lifetime or not. But I
you know, I I uh realized when I first kind
of rejoined the world about six years ago, now that
you'll overwhelming the majority of people who identify as right
wing they don't understand historical situation. So I'm just not
gonna connect with them in like ontological ways, you know,
because they've got these conceptual biases that can't be overcome,
so they don't understand what the fuck I'm talking about,
you know, which is fine. I'm not saying everyone needs
to agree with me or something. But if people who
are proceeding according to totally totally uh you know, irrelevant
EPISO like priors, I mean, what what are these what's
going to come to fruition by associating with these people?
I mean nothing?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Plus, it's got to be proactive. You know the reason
I'm always driving home social capital. You've got to organize
your life around these principles. It's not something like passive
thing where you're like, oh, yeah, I agree with that,
or you know, I I I I refuse to participate
in X, Y and z is it's harmful. No, You've
got to actually be proactive. You've got to secede from
regime shit in the way you live your life. And
people aren't willing to do that. Well, they're not, They're
not with us.
Speaker 6: There's things, several things I want to talk about with
regards to this story. You've you've seen a lot of
uh kind of consternation at the chest beating coming from
the American Magnet movement people, you know, rightfully bringing receipt
if like, oh, you know you were all anti war
two years ago with Ukraine. You know you were anti
war before, but now you're you're feeling great about it.
And I think as well, there's an element to the
fact that even if this doesn't play with us and
doesn't play on the international stage, I think it is
actually playing well for like the maga voter type. Like
I'm in these circles. I follow a lot of them
on social media just to kind of see what they're
up to, and it is a lot of extremely self
congratulatory material. And there's an interesting, an interesting idea I
keep seeing reoccur, which is basically that like, oh, that
was easy, let's do it again, Like we could do
that to all these other countries. You know, you have
Lindsay Graham talking about Cuba, obviously, the stuff about Iran,
and again I'm not trying to put out some sort
of tinfoil thing here, but to me, it seems as
if this was a very deliberately coordinated event from a
media perspective, not to say that it's fake or it
didn't happen, but to say that the optics of this
are clearly being stage managed and so, for instance, Thomas,
you mentioned earlier the fact that these charges are kind
of falling apart. To be honest, I don't think that
matters like I mean it does in a courtroom sense.
But I think the immediate political expediency of getting a win,
of making this part of the narrative, making it part
of you know, promises made, promises kept, that kind of
phrase you'll hear over and over again, but also getting
the MAGA movement more comfortable with war because a large
portion of that movement was anti war, and that's one
of the many splinters we've seen in that base since
Operation Midnight Hammer. You know, the strikes in Yemen and others, right,
But I wonder, well, if there's an element of you
know what I mean, look like there's a very real
possibility that there was no need to even send Delta
force in to get Maduro right, you know, either he
was surrendering or there was someone willing to do the deed,
and somewhat similar to the OBL raid, it was a
negotiated strike in order to allow one party to save face.
I'm sure our listeners are familiar with that. If not,
you can find a great deal of recording on it. It
came out about four or five years after the case
that the Osama bin laden raid was effectively completely fake.
And so on that point, part of me wonders, again
if this is going to be brought into a larger
narrative about war, about regime change, and this is sort
of the narrow end of a larger wedge, getting you know,
the chuds basically the kind of people who actually participate
in wars back on side. Maybe this is just my my,
you know, Andy Bush prior is talking. But to me,
I feel very cynical about whenever I see, uh, you
know America.
Speaker 4: That's not good. Remember that's remember what you and I
were talking about the other day about like, all right,
they have enough political capital to do one of two things, well,
not if you do them in different not if you
do them in like an order of operations. So, like
another thing that's been happening, there was some recent kerfuffle
about like two Republican congressmen being incapacitated, one dying and
the other one being capacitated in a car crash rather
quickly on like the very first day of you know,
Congress being back in session, which is yesterday, and I
can't remember who posted it, but somebody goes, oh, like
two congressmen, two Republican congressmen, mysterious and they're both in
CALIFORNI you, which is also suspicious because you know they're
basically there, you know, at the best the test certain
tech companies. And the post went on to be like,
all right, some terrible fucking bill is about to get passed.
Something really atrocious is about to get driven through Congress.
And I was talking to Jay about kind of the
In a period of a week, you had Benjamin and
Yahoo come to the United States and have private meetings
with the Attorney General of the state of Florida, who
immediately and the Lieutenant governor immediately come out and say like,
we can't allow speech that hurts people. When your speech
hurts people, you know, that's assault, and that's you know,
that's a crime. You've you've committed a crime, and it
needs to be you know, basically dealt with as such.
And Benjamin and Yahoo basically comes out and does like
an interview on fucking TV about how American needs to
fix the problems with its First Amendment. And then I
wish I could, I wish I was making this up
because it's it sounds like it, it doesn't sound real.
But an Israeli billionaire name I think it's Shlomo Goldberg Goldstein,
Shlomo something steam literally like a cartoon basically says like, Oh,
there's a real problem with the American First Amendment. We
have to get a handle on it. We got to
get control of of what's being said. He's saying this
on us fucking business news stations that he and Israeli,
not an American named Shlomo Goldstein. It needs to get
control of get a hold of the First Amendment in
the United States. And we're seeing discourse, particularly about Zionism,
break down rapidly across the anglosphere. I think it has
something to do with our shared language, but talking points
that we've used to great success over the past you
know years, have started being employed in Canada and England
too great and viral effect, and it's spreading very, very rapidly,
and all of a sudden you're starting to see the
kind of you know, the pawing and the machinations of
something like a Digital Services Digital Safety Act, which is
what they recently passed in the UK under the auspices
of protecting children from porn. And they're not going to
go after the free speech, it's not what they're going
to do. What they're going to go after is online anonymity,
and I bet you that is working its way through
Congress at this very moment. And to Jay's point about
getting people amped up for war, the only way you'd
effectively be able to do that is if you controlled
one side of the conversation. You'd have to stop guys
like us from talking. Yeah, I have to stop guys
like us from reminding them of the last couple of
times they've been dragged off to war for who and
for why. Maybe a nice false flag in there to
tie it up in a nice clean bow. But it
seems that anonymity is in the crosshairs in America since
they can't come after the First Amendment itself.
Speaker 2: Well, and no Lelson just bring pressure to bearer, you know,
as a continue to do on social media platforms. I mean,
that's why they're constantly trying to undermine TikTok because unlike
unlike X, you know, they they TikTok's not just gonna
you know, cooperate with with the UH. The Zionist censorship regimen,
not because not not have any like you know, ideological
commitment or anything, but just because it's not within their
sphere of influence, you know, like Facebook or x Is,
you know, and it uh, you'll see a return to
like regardless of I think the Republican is gonna lose
big in twenty twenty eight, frankly, but I think you're
gonna see, uh, things aren't gonna become kinetic. I know
that there's speaking of chicken little types. A lot of
people are saying that there's going to be a return
to the cycle of civil unrest of you know, twenty
twenty one in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. But I do think
there is going to be a conditions of elevated tension.
And you're gonna see all the major social media platforms
craking down on you know, inflammatory speech or or hate speech.
And but it's going to be coded a little bit
differently than at the height of you know, woke censorship.
It's it's going to be more tailored to you know,
disinformation relating to you know, national security imperatives, you know,
so anything and anything that's alleged to be you know,
disinformation relating to you know, the Russian Federation or China,
or disinformation relating to anti Semitism. That's gonna be what's
targeted lead so private social media platforms and like telegon carriers,
they're essentially going to like ban criticism of Israel or
you know, discussion of Zionist imperatives and and any punitive capacity.
That's the way I think it's going to go. You know,
you don't you don't need to gut the First Amendment
to accomplish what they want to accomplish, you know, but uh,
it'll be too little, too late, you know, I think, Uh,
to your point, this is a reactive measure, you know,
because the damage is done, you know, the all the
kings men can't piece the narrative back together again, like
that time has passed, you know. So I I remained optimistic,
you know, because there's been a paradigm shift going to
the historical situation that that is now inalterable. That doesn't
mean that the regime is going to go down, justlide
out and die, because it's not. But you know, the
the main hurdle is has already been traversed, you know.
Speaker 4: And people can feel it in their bones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's never going to be a return to the
days of the bully pulpit. You know, it's the people's
conceptual horizon is never going to return to you know,
the year nineteen ninety. That's not going to happen outside
of echo chambers where But that don't matter anyway.
Speaker 3: And you know, the even if the social media starts
cracking down and everything, there's always other ways people innovate,
people figure it out.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's not you know, people are like, oh, there they bought.
Speaker 5: They bought TikTok. TikTok's done. TikTok was a way that
people were waking up about, you know, Jewish power and
everything like that. I'm like, well, first of all, yeah,
normany is waking up to Jewish power. It doesn't really
mean anything. Second of all, it's they'll just find ways
around it. They'll just use words, they'll just you know,
they'll say it's the Amish. They'll you know, people will
know exactly who they're talking about. There's always ways that
they can't stop the momentum of what people saw after
October seventh. You know, it's like.
Speaker 2: The censorship just tends to you need you need other
an absolute bully pulpit like the regime had from really
the New Deal Revolution until the nineteen nineties. Or you
need to have a cultural momentum that's behind uh regime
ambitions and imperatives, you know, if you're gonna do if
you're gonna go full Soviet and you know, like the
like in Romania they started literally forcing people to register
their typewriter, you know, and just became like a source
of parody obviously, because you know, any if you know,
if you're gonna be that, if you're gonna be that
heavy handed and that clumsy, you know, you just become
a you just become like a parody of yourself, you know.
And it's totally self defeating, you know, saying we're gonna,
we're gonna, we're gonna arrest anybody who you know was
suspected of uh Sam's death, It's like, okay, yeah, see
how well that works.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, we're gonna we're gonna ban rock and roll.
That'll stop the kids from listening to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's uh so yeah.
Speaker 1: Here's a uh to Stormy's point, Net and Yah who's
the talk that net Yaho was giving about censorship? He
these people are so fucking retarded, they're so out of touch.
He was talking about the sale of TikTok, and he
asked the audience, He's like talking to a bunch of
journalists and and politicians in Israel, and he asked the journalists,
He's like, what what's the big win in uh in
censors or free speech or excuse me, uh messaging that
we just got in America. And he asked the audience.
Zero people fucking knew he was talking about TikTok. They
don't even know what the fuck this stuff is. He
had to tell them he was talking about TikTok.
Speaker 2: Yeah it uh. What's also too, I mean, they overplayed
their hand by like going after TikTok as hard as
they did, because it's not even like it's not even
like like in their might, you know, like they made
like a boogeyman of fourtune, Like they made a boogeyman
of TikTok when TikTok wasn't even politically coded. I mean, yeah,
there's this guy, there's this one dude thing in Australia
who had like a huge following in TikTok, who was
like very like right wing coded, but generally it's it's
like a hood bullshit and and just kind of the
kind of stuff used to see like uh on uh Vine,
like when Vine was a thing, Like it's not it
was just the fact that it's just the fact that
they didn't have the kind of direct censorious control over
it like they did over X and Facebook that made
them paranoid, like if they've been like and then and
like when they then you started seeing like more and
more like right coated stuff popping up there after they
made it an issue, you know, like what would have
been smart is just uh you know, downplay it by
omission that they they didn't have direct control over that.
But it's just like the way that like was getting
in a minute ago, the nature of it and that
weird kind of like rapid scroll feature like it makes
it it's harder. I mean, it will come up, but
there'll be a way, I'm sure to they'll develop an
algorithm to categorically exclude stuff that they want to squash.
But it's it's not as simple as uh, you know
having a you know kind of like an autonomous uh
like censorship regime on something like on something like uh X,
it's a different kind of thing, you know, and like
so much of it is like a visual too, Like
it's just not I they're not They're not gonna heally
manipulate the same way, you know.
Speaker 1: Is a point.
Speaker 4: Now, this is the thing that Yeah, and this is
the good thing about zoomers is they communicate and literally
like another language. They're they're just so far they're just
so far away from the type of people trying to
implement these paradigms you know or sorry, these prerogatives that
it's almost like the the the boomer is on Cape
is incapable of designing a effective propaganda aymore, or be
getting out front of the conversation because the conversation is
happening in in ways that he can't understand, using language
and metaphor he can't understand. Right, So this is like,
you know, basically trying to censor an alien civilization, knowing
none of its customs, knowing none of its historical you know, priors,
and knowing very little of its language. It's an impossible task.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's five.
Speaker 1: And they didn't even know what TikTok was, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, that's they're no, they're they're they're the Soviet nomenclad.
You're a circa in nineteen eighty seven. I mean that's
why people what's like you said at at the top
of the or these people like Lindsey Graham are universally
fucking despised, you know, like yah, who is the most
hated man on this planet? Like everybody hates these people,
you know, like they're not and they're these they're these
decrepit uh grotesque hateful Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Debbie Washerman Salts, Debbie Washerman Schultz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's these grotesque people who are full of hate
and uh are at odds with God and uh, they're
universally despised, you know, like it's you know, they're they're
a joke. I mean that doesn't mean they can't hurt us.
And unfortunately, I mean as this regime evaporates into into history,
it uh, it's going to continue to hurt a lot
of people. But you know, these these uh, these people
are pathetic, man, you know, they really are, you know,
and it's it's important to get not to be cavalier
or flippant, but it was important not to make these
people out like they're ten feet tall, like they're they're
a joke. You know, they're pathetic and that, uh, that's
something that I encourage people to not least sight of.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a certain power in human consciousness, right, Yeah,
that's this way. If everyone hates you, and everyone despises
you and wants you to go away, you will meet
like almost like it sets the odds against you. Where rinned.
Events that would normally work out for you or you know,
a fifty to fifty chance are now all of a
sudden working against you. Right, Everything that would normally go
off without a hitch is blowing up in your face.
It has a it's very very strange what happens when
large groups of people have their attention fixated on you
in a negative way.
Speaker 2: What's the cunning of reason? Is the hand of providence
in history, that's exactly the point of people too. Like
my good buddy as As I Iranian and I'm playing
with him, and his wife Pete knows him, and he's
obviously always concerned about Iran being targeted for violence, and
I'm like, look, I'm like, you know, God forbid, there
was some sort of general assault and Iran, you know,
I'm like, whatever replaced the revolutionary government, it certainly wouldn't
be something that Zog likes, you know, I mean, like
that's that's done, that's over.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The one uh, the one thing uh in the in
the aftermath of the iraq uh disaster. And I mean,
don't get me wrong, that that was the amount of
human unless are human suffering yielded by the assault in
Iraq is almost unfathomable. But the one thing all factions
agreed on when the dust settled is unconditionally like America
must leave, you know, I mean, nobody, nobody's gonna abide uh,
the neo kind vision of things. You know, nobody, nobody
used it as legitimate. You know, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna
get behind you know, like a regime change. You know,
that's that's garbage, that's nonsense.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think one of the things that
you know, it's what you talk about all the time, Thomas,
and it's what.
Speaker 5: You know, what I take from all.
Speaker 3: Of this that we started talking about, this whole Venezuela
op and everything is yep, this managerial regime, this west
the westphalure in the state is obsolete, it's dying. And
anyone who is cheering on this or sees it as
a win or you know, I've made you know, I've
basically said that, you know a lot of people are
just so normy coded that they've seen like the US
do so poorly that anything that is presented to them
as a win they need feel like they need to cheer.
But the fact is is that if this proves anything,
if everything that Trump is done, I mean he's he's
legitimately done good stuff, and I applaud him for it.
But the problem is is and he's probably done more
good stuff in one year than like most of the
pre the last ten presidents have in like they're in
their whole term, especially with what he's done at the
what he's done at the southern border. But we're still
you still have an existential crisis, you still are occupied,
You're still have you know, you you still are at
the point where it's like if you don't have social
capital with people in real life, you really you can
your life can be redacted very quickly. And to think
that Trump and this and his regime is going to
turn that around and somehow fix all of this, leaving
aside the fact that all of this is obsolete. It's
even if it wasn't obsolete, you you have no there's
no proof, there's no there's no evidence you can give
me that that is even a possibility in in the
smallest terms, I mean in there, there's no I wouldn't
bet you a dollar, you know. I mean, I wouldn't take, like,
you know, bet a dollar on a ten million to
one and ten million to one odds. That all of
this gets turned around and all of a sud said
when we have you know, the paradise said America was,
you know, I mean, it's like, it's just so absurd
to hear people talk like this.
Speaker 2: But that's again, I mean, that's why I don't speak
for anybody else, Okay, but I I view myself as
an outlaw because I've always been at odds with the
regime as structured in my lifetime, and even you know,
I came to this as a teenager. I mean I
was always you know, because my dad and stuff, and
because like where I lived. I mean I lived in
a really nice place. But I you know, I was
I was the minority, so I I I was oriented
towards political questions more than some kids. But I realized,
like having to go having to go to school eight
hours a day instand in a building and do stupid
things is bullshit. Like the stuff that adults were telling
me how to do was bullshit. The things that people
thought was important was bullshit, you know, and meaningless and
stupid and worse than that, deleterious to the human spirit
and positively oppressive. You know, something had to change, and uh,
you know, thank god the historical situation and emerging technology
and also the cunning of reason. You know, the hand
of providence literally in the historical process liberated us. The
people who are willing to make that leap liberated us
from that paradigm. You know, the idea that like America
nineteen eighty five is this utopia, that that's preposterous. I
mean that that's ridiculous. It was totally fucked up. And
if you don't realize that, you you're an idiot or
you're just like something like NPC normy, you isn't in
the game.
Speaker 3: So I mean, like, I you know, nineteen eighty five
probably had I mean, I'd say to a bet eighteen
hundred to two thousand murders in New York City. Yeah,
I don't know how what Chicago would be people dropping
dead from heroin.
Speaker 5: Everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the like literal human trafficking on forty
second Street between seven and eighth Avenue in Manhattan.
Speaker 5: Well, and the police just drive by.
Speaker 2: Like, thank god, Grbachev and Reagan's people came to the
table because you know, they control element of both. The
superpowers were realized. The strategic paradigm was totally out of
control and almost certainly going to result in a war
where you know, between eighty and two hundred million people died,
you know what I mean, Like this was uh, this
was midness. The world is going to hell in a handbasket.
In some ways, things are exponentially better now, but just
in terms of people's day to day lives. The idea that, uh,
the the idea that late modernity as it existed a
few decades ago, was somehow addressing human needs and spiritual
health and allowing people to pursue meaningful lives, you know,
according to you know, practical reason as well as you know,
the higher ambitions of spirit and things like that. That's
that's laughable, you know, and anybody anybody who thinks the
in terms of good old days or anybody whose ideas
just like you know, uh, you know, good government is
just low Texes and like, you know, no Niggers in
my immediate neighborhood like they're they're completely small minded, you know.
Speaker 3: And people some people will hear me talk about describe
a big city New York in nineteen eighty five and
be like, well, it wasn't like that where I lived.
I mean, I love Yeah, but you're the same person
who complains that the big cities have all the power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's also too, I mean, the fact of
the matter is like it's not And it's like William Pierced,
you know, you know, people are people have different cultures
and people diferent preferences. You know, some people are city slickers,
some people are are country folks, you know, and and
trying to force one of the other modality on people
is isn't isn't right? And you know, but the my
point being that I uh, you know, most most people,
this isn't for them, I mean, and that's fine because
any and any any any partisan orientation there's any chance
of success or there is is it all intellectually rigorous
and the ideologically sound is a vanguardist tendency, but it's
you know, the political is only a very small part
of it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's uh, it's existential, and it's spiritual at base,
and it's historical, you know, and defeating obstacles to that
sort of flourishing is essential, you know. It's it's an
essential prerequisite of liberation and an individual and communitarian capacity.
It's not some end in itself, you know. But but
again that's why I'm totally carnival and saying I think
conservatives are shitheads and they're my least favorite kind of people,
and I I don't want any part of what they're into.
Speaker 3: And you know, they certainly are and they certainly are
the most the most dangerous us. I mean, they will
they will act like your friend and then stab you
in the back. At least you know that, at least
you know that you're you're obvious, I hate you and
once you're dead and these people, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I realized too. I mean, like I said,
maybe it's easier for me, like I never I'm never
eat blessed. I got a lot of really dear friends
who got great love for me, and I generally get
along with people, and that's how I feel very fortunate.
But I also realized like most of these like normies,
they they they're they're hateful people and they want bad
things they happen to me, and they they like it
if I was locked up in jail or worse. And
you know, they they've got contempt for people who don't
fit the kind of mold of what they think is
is uh acceptable, And I don't like people like that,
you know, so I'm not. I'm not gonna pretend that
I do owing to you know, what's allegedly, you know,
supposed to be like the appropriate way to proceed and
in terms of some big tent coalition of of weight
or something, I don't accept it. But I gotta, I
gotta take leave you guys in a minute, because I gotta.
I gotta go to the library and peck peck peck
on my on my laptop. I don't mean to be
a prompt.
Speaker 4: I just ordered you, uh Polo and Khaki's probably yeah, them,
they will, they will be the I'm bringing them for
your birthday.
Speaker 2: If you want to. Yeah, like I you know, I'm
probably gonna pee on them.
Speaker 4: But like I said, you gotta we got to win
over that fifty.
Speaker 6: Take Take Thomas to Vineyard Vines, like it's that one
scene out of every two thousands rom com where it may.
Speaker 4: I can't find the doc shoes anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I ended up with that. I can't remember
what it's called. Man, But there's a major country club
in Berlin game and I ended up there and that
was kind of interesting, Like I behaved myself. I mean,
I was with my dad and stuff, but it, uh yeah,
I decided I don't ever want to join a country club.
That's that's the first time I'd bend to one, believe
it or not. What Uh Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd fit in it at Martha's Vineyard either.
Speaker 6: So returning to your to your previous point, Thomas, I've
been on the kind of woke right beat for a
while because I think that there is going to be
an attempted purge. I mean there already really has been
of the conservative movement, you know, going after first, you know,
more marginal figures and then kind of bringing it closer
and closer in uh Again, Interestingly enough, it does seem
to be particularly targeted at figures like Tucker Carlson, and JD.
Speaker 4: Vans.
Speaker 6: But there's an interesting development. Barry Weiss, who you know
is a sort of infamous figure, recently announced that she
was bringing on a number of new people to her outlet,
The Free Press. Speculation has run wild that The Free
Press is massively basically to money laundering.
Speaker 4: Up right, you can.
Speaker 6: You can get a lot of money through anonymous donations.
This is this organization is supported.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: But point is, she announced a whole slate of new
people coming on side. They're gonna be part of this new,
you know, good conservative movement. What's interesting, and I'll get
into this the details more in a second, is that
she has been quite explicit that she wants to define.
She calls the forty yards of allowable discourse the Overton window,
kicking out figures like Nick Kuentz, Tucker Carlson, and Hassan
Piker and replacing them with her word consumative conservative luminaries
like Alan Dershwitz.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, he's dead.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, Uh.
Speaker 6: The point is the reason I bring this up is
because I think that that is continuing a pace. So
you have people like you know, Abigail Schreyer now Ferguson,
Rod Dreyer one of my favorites. Uh, a couple guys
name named Ackman.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: So point is, the battle lines are being drawn up,
and it seems as if there's an immense amount of
money flowing around for the good guys quote unquote, right,
the guys who were on side on.
Speaker 4: That issue.
Speaker 6: And if you go to the Free Press, it's basically
all you will read about is kind of conservative culture
wor slop, and then also Israel, but mostly that second thing.
And so I think that that's.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's true. I did notice, and this is
anecdotal when I they but it is something of a
bell Weather. I was reading the American Spectator and uh,
very suddenly after they they conspicuously avoid direct criticism of Trump.
But it's basically a bunch of like the old and
never Trump guys have kind of like reinvented themselves, and
uh they started popping up on the Spectator, and uh,
I'm like, okay, well that's interesting, you know because obviously
these guys are are just waiting, you know, because there's
not because Mega is Trump and there's not a successor,
and even if there was, I mean, they wouldn't be
able to recapture Trump's lightning in a bottle from twenty sixteen.
So yeah, they're gonna make their big play in twenty
twenty eight. That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So especially as we you know, we turn to,
you know, discussions of possible censorship. I think that's an
interesting development as well, that a large part of this
might well be pushed from within the sort of owned
conservative movement. But we haven't seen anything explicit coming from
kind of major voices. But as Stormy mentioned, the presence
of the Florida a g indicates that, you know, fairly
deep into the Republican Party, you know, there is a
desire to do this. Again, we call back to the
conversation about Venezuela. It is entirely the wrong attack line
to look at this and say, oh, you know, you
hypocritical conservatives. Don't you remember during twenty twenty when you
were all upset about cancel culture. I mean, that's true,
that is hypocritical. That is not logically consistent exactly. So
that is a trend that I have identified. What's also
interesting is that we're getting into kind of a Feurer
Bunker mode from the administration using that term, of course
loosely where within the kind of like ultra hardcore, they're
just swinging at anyone they see as a trader. This
is not super relevant, but there's a've.
Speaker 4: Actually been called a trader several times this week. It's
very strange.
Speaker 6: There's a Fox News host. Your name is Kat timp.
I don't really know anything about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know you're talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a woman on Fox News. Many reasons for
me not to pay attention to what she says, but regardless,
she had a very tepid take on what happened in Venezuela.
She basically said, I don't understand how it's not war
to kidnap someone's president, but it is to ship cocaine
to their country.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 6: This doesn't add up. And she's been getting battered from
pillar to post by hardcore maga guys, and the coverage
has all been basically, you know you are you know
you're a trader. You've switched sides. And I think that
that's interesting as well, is that it there seems to
be a sort of circular firing squad. And look, this
is how politics works, right. There's a certain amount of
it that's internal enforcement you need to get people on
side and keep them on side. But I do think
that's an interesting change in I guess you could just
say change in disposition that now much of the conservative
movement has basically has, you know, turned to going after
you know, black pillars to traders. You've seen this as
well with Dan Bongino, right, who returned to private life,
and basically his first statement is, you know, I'm going
after the doomers, the black pillars, the guys who don't
see what great, you know, work we've done for America.
And Thomas, I realize, you know, you and I both
don't have a particularly high opinion of Bongino. He's kind
of a Simian fellow.
Speaker 2: You know, he looks like they paid him in bananas,
and that was part of the jojes like cost saving effort.
Speaker 6: They saved three billion dollars from Dan Bongino's personal banana collection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: The point is I think that, look, obviously Bongino was
probably doing that to make money. You know, he was
making a good bit on on rumble. I doubt he
was as the head of the FBI, nor was he
really doing a whole lot. So I can understand that
but also you know the age old you know wisdom
within the right that you know, you never really leave
these intelligence communities, I think is probably apt. And I
think that this kind of conservative right wing whatever you
want to call it, civil war is likely to continue
to escalate, particularly as you know, the administration is facing
criticism from within its own coalition, and it seems as
if the line the marching orders is basically, you know,
you're a trader. If you don't support Trump, you're a doomer,
you're a black pillar. And you know, again when I
mentioned earlier the kind of cynical takedown of you know,
the anti war types, the people who do not support
these kind of retarded, you know, foreign adventures, again it
was within that language, and I think that that's an
interesting trend to identify perhaps going forward.
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure you're absolutely correct. What's also there's not
the there's a sort of built in tendency of I mean,
like I said before that there is no Republican party.
They're not a party, it's there were The Republicans are
just the official they're the official opposition. You know, the
people call themselves the Democrats, they ruling coalition, and the
official opposition calls themselves the Republicans, but they since since
November nineteen eighty nine, they had they haven't had a platform,
So there's a building tendency of them to cannibalize their
own even in the absence of a conflict diad relating
to you know, relating to America first versus the intervention
is tendency and Zionism and things that that's obviously the
catalysts that frames this in the present. But the fact
that they literally have no platform that's you know, uh
coherent and and sort of structurally enduring, that that tends
towards infighting in a way that wouldn't with a more
normal uh you know, sort of oppositional coalition like the
Tories have the same deal in the UK, like like
they make no sense. It doesn't. It's a totally redundant
coalition that has no actual platform, you know, and there's
interesting parallels between US and the mother country. So yeah,
I I just wanted to add to AC I think
it's somewhat under analyzed. No, I'm fure one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm recording a bunch today, so I'm
gonna bail them now.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah me, fellas, I'll uh yeah, I'm gonna I'm
gonna connect with some of you guys in the next
couple of days. But yeah, let's let's do more inquisition
stuff whenever you guys are able until I gotta start
traveling again in February. But for the rest of the month,
I am basically just you know, chilling and doing my thing, man, so.
Speaker 4: I've got a bit more time astro.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think mister I think mister Doll is
supposed to be showing up shortly.
Speaker 4: Really, Carls, guess things really are going to ship then, huh.
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody noticed this, but Mike Vining
is on sweater.
Speaker 1: Now you got to remind me that is I know
the name for.
Speaker 3: Some reason, Thomas, you know, you know Mike Vining right
the personally, I know who he is. Yeah, he's on
sweater and he's been posting really cool old picks, no kidding. Yeah, yeah,
you gotta follow me. Some of the pixies are just
like outright yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Like, very amusing, like in addition to the coolest doc photos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'll uh today and I'm working around online, yo, follow.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'll share is actually yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
getting the chat. Here's his link. Here's a link to
his account blasting through. But all right, gentlemen, thank you,
it's pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thanks guys. Hey, listen, so that was a
very solid Oh Jay had to go to all right, Stormy, Well,
it's me and you until Carl gets here. Look, listen,
let's uh. I want to go back to Venezuela because
there's a big elephant in the room.
Speaker 5: Funk.
Speaker 1: We lost Stormy too. Oh please hold well, I get
Stormy back. All right, Stormy, all right, I paused the recording.
Speaker 4: We lost. That sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize he was leaving.
But that's okay. We got Carl coming and I got
a bit more time. Listen, there's an elephant in the
room on the Venezuela topic we didn't talk about. So
let's go back to that. The oil I did not
expect in twenty twenty six, after everything we went through
in Iraq, and everyone agrees that we did not go
into Iraq to get the oil. And it's a historical
fact that we did not take the oil, at least
not in any imperial sense. I did not expect people
to be saying that we went in to Venezuela to
get the oil on both sides, the people for it
and against it.
Speaker 4: Oh I expected them to be saying that one hundred percent,
because most people didn't know that it was just Israel
that got the oil. Usnut oil exports went down during
and after Iraq, and all of a sudden, Israel, that
has no natural resources to speak of, all of a
sudden becomes the seventh largest energy exporter in the world.
I like this all basically stolen oil and natural gas
from Iraqi Kurdistan.
Speaker 1: Let me throw something in here too, about the whole
all the hypocrisy going on here. Israel was buying Kurdish
oil against US sanctioned the Curtis oil was sanctioned, and
we didn't do a goddamn fucking thing about it.
Speaker 4: Why would we The sanctions just exist for Israel that
exist for us, right literally, like who was in charge
at that time, Like the entire US presidential apparatus existed
for Israel. After nine to eleven, they hijacked the fucking country.
Bush's entire prerogative before nine to eleven was strategic ballistic
missile defense that's like, that's what the country was gearing
up to do. It's what the Pentagon was gearing up
to do. And that's why we got out of the
Salt Treaties with Russia. Right, the US is going to
do Star Wars two point zero and basically in the
within a year after nine to eleven, like Zog really
took control of the executive It basically didn't have to
exist behind the scenes, right and like excert you know,
leverage through covert meetings, right like it once nine to
eleven happened, they basically, you know, started installing themselves into
actual you know, positions of power inside the government officially
and not just like not just the neo cons being
kept in the basement. But I mean, yeah, nine to
eleven was really like it's when it's when the when
Zog's security state apparatus went online. Put it that way. So, yeah,
of course we didn't fucking enforce sanctions and Paul Singer
is just going to flip the Chevron assets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. I'll
let you start if you like, otherwise I can give
it intro.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's I mean, it's not really that much
to understand.
Speaker 1: Broadly on the whole Venezuelan oil thing, just everything.
Speaker 4: Like the fact that like saying we're taking it away
from China doesn't really make much sense. They get four
percent of their oil from Venezuela. We could have just
taken it at any point in time, right like it
as in like they're not teleporting the oil from Venezuela
to China, right they're taking it through the Panama Canal
in chips. Like we could just basically stop it at
any point in time without actually doing the regime change
up in Venezuela, if that's what the purpose is. Right.
There's been some really interesting stuff. I'll wait for more
news to come out about a a shadow fleet tanker
that left a Russian shadow fleet tanker that left Iran
on its way to Venezuela two weeks ago and it
basically got interdicted on the way over about uh and
was captured this this afternoon, and very very strange behavior.
Shadow fleets are shadow tankers are literally just you know, throwaways.
If if you're violating sanctions like you base, they basically
just dropped them. They're not traceable back. It's very strange behavior.
So It's obviously there wasn't any oil on that ship,
nor were they planning on putting any. It was bringing
something to Venezuela and that left two weeks ago, so
I'm I think it was obviously likely weapons platforms. Maybe
that's why we moved as quickly as we did in
Venezuela instead of just doing the things that we all
just talked about. That would have been easier just letting that,
you know, situation clear itself up internally by having you know,
people underneath him. Uh, You're the reason why you couldn't
get anyone to like betray Madua was basically because the
entire security apparatus around Madua was Cuban, right, in fact,
that Venezuela was effectively a Cuban colony. I know that
sounds ridiculous, but after the economy collapsed, and I mean
it did collapse, right when they nationalized the oil resources,
they didn't actually know how to operate them. They didn't
fucking know how to do anything. So all of a sudden,
oil revenues crashed to nothing. The country experiences one point
seven million percent two million percent in two million percent
inflation in a matter of months. Absolutely it destroyed every
dollar of or sorry, every amount of savings, every amount
of anything, everyone's assets, their jobs, like everything just became worthless.
Like why there's no point in if you're a business owner,
there's no point employing anybody. It basically made everything in
the country go out of business at once, and one
third of the population left inside of like a year,
two years. So the people that left is the largest
single mass migration event in the history of the South
American continent. So most of almost all of the most
talented people are the ones that left. They were the
ones that could leave, right, whether you know, they could
scrape together enough to fucking get on a boat or whatever.
So all the doctors, all the administrators, the competent people,
the security people, the military people like, they all fucking left.
And in order to stabilize the regime of the people,
all of these professional people, professional military people all had
to come in from Cuba, and over a period of
thirty years that just metastasized to basically the entire security
apparatus of Venezuela was Cuban. Look into it, you'll find out,
I'm right. So you weren't going to get somebody to
betray Maduro. Right, you weren't going to get his generals
or whatever, or his vice president or whatever to basically
betray him and turn himself in, right, Like that part
is legit, right, Like, yeah, there is probably a diplomatic
deal being done between China or Russia, most likely Russia,
because the Chinese diplomats were, I don't know, sitting there
with a thumb up their Assi Dura got snatched away
the Chinese delegation. But to the point the actual extra
like the fucking people, the Venezuelans and the Cubans didn't
know that a deal just had been made, you know,
for their future or execution between America and Russia. So
like that part still had to come off. Like those
hundred or so whatever inter security guards they were getting
whacked like they sorry, like they weren't gonna let you
take Maduro. They're not part of the Venezuelan operated like
governance structure. They're from fucking Cuba. So really, as far
as like the oil, those were our resources, right, Like
Paul Singer is gonna make some money. He outbid nine
other people in an auction for the Chevron assets.
Speaker 1: He didn't actually outbid them. The Court force, the sale
to him.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if it's between them, we don't actually know
that he could have bid the same. It doesn't mean
that the court basically moved him from the bottom of
nine to the top. Right. Most likely it was between
him and somebody else just like him.
Speaker 1: Well, let me just like the ruling says.
Speaker 4: I understand the rule. I understand the rule.
Speaker 1: Get into the listener for the listener that, okay, was
that singer Elliott Management was the most likely to actually
be able to close the deal that they're bidding on,
more so than the others.
Speaker 4: So basically, Elliott Management probably used i would say, thirty
percent credit right, and the other party was probably using
fifty or sixty percent credit.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 4: So basically who's putting up the most cash? Right? Thing
about it? Like a house, are you if you're selling
your house, do you want to sell to the guy
that's paying cash or do you want to sell your
house to the guy that has to get a mortgage?
Because if you sell it to the guy with a
mortgage and something falls through with his mortgage, you have
to relist your house and then it looks like something
is wrong with it, like oh, this sale blew up.
So somebody backed out. This is it looks bad. So
the government is going to take the person that has
the most cash, and that could have been as much
as Paul Singer, you know, calling the people that are
doing the financing for the second bidder and convincing them
to pull financing. Right, So when the judge makes that determination,
really we don't know. Let's just assume the judge was
acting in good faith, because really, you if these two people,
Singer and let's say bitter number two, all right, bidter
number Singer and number two outbid everybody else up to
the top, and now it's between those two because it's
not like a bidding like an auction. They're just submitting offers.
There's not like a back and forth like oh, I'll
put in more, I'll put in more. The judge is
basically reviewing ten offer letters. So assumably the government acted
in the government's best interest and took the one that
had the more cash and the least amount of debt financing.
If the judge acted in the best interest, right whatever,
it doesn't matter. He bought those rights to those to
the Chevron assets, right that Venezuela. Basically he bought Chevron
or bought a controlling stake in Chevron.
Speaker 1: Right, Sikko, he bought the whole thing.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I doubt he has all of it. He just
has to have control of it. There's no reason to
buy all of it. If I get to have complete
control of your thing at fifty one percent, why the
fuck would I spend the extra money to get one
hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's because it was bankrupt, So.
Speaker 4: You're buying it out of bankruptcy court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, So.
Speaker 4: The assets and the claimants things like that, because if
if the shares are worthless because the company is bankrupt, right,
then the only thing you're actually buying is the underlying
assets of the company. That's what goes through bankruptcy court.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 4: The shareholders get liquidated, right, So the actual shareholders when
we say like, oh, he bought Chevron. Right, So if
Microsoft goes bankrupt tomorrow, what they're going to do is
they're going to sell all of Microsoft's assets, and that
money is going the bankruptcy court is going to sell
off all the assets, and that money is going to
be used to pay the bond holders. Yeah right, the shareholders. Right.
So this is what he said, Like, oh, well, he
controls all of that. He doesn't need to, right, it's
the assets you're buying from a bankruptcy court. The shareholders
get a bath. The only people that get taken care of,
right are the bond holders, the people that lent Chevron
money before they went bankrupt. Yeah, there's government will.
Speaker 1: That money billion dollars, but they're only getting six.
Speaker 4: Yep, Well, should have went bankrupt.
Speaker 1: What's the difference between bankruptcy and insolvency?
Speaker 4: Is it the same thing insolvency? A person, a company
can exist in a state of insolvency. Right. That's like
saying having cancer and dying of cancer, gotcha? All right,
So if you're insolvent, you need to fucking do something
about it. Like a lot of the European governments right
now are insolvent.
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: So basically Elliott Management specializes in restructuring fucked up shit, right,
So they're like house flippers, Right, They're gonna buy these
foreclosed assets, remodel the house quickly, and flip it. That's
what he's gonna do, and he'll probably make some money
doing it, and he'll probably get the US government to
throw in some money for the remodel who knows doesn't matter.
What actually matters is Guyana right next door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to break Yana is.
Speaker 4: The actual prize, right, Guyana is ours? And it does
like people are getting distracted. People are getting distracted about
like the Venezuelan oil, which is shit. There's not a
lot of it, and they're forgetting like we own the
Saudi Arabia right next door, and the Saudi Arabia right
next door is as fucking poorly defended, and like like
the Saudis don't have an army per se. There's only
like I don't know, a couple million Saudi citizens total,
I think less. I think it's just over a million
or two million, all right, that's not enough to raise
any considerable type of army. So if I ran, we're
to ever be like, hey, you want to know what
are oil is shitty? We don't have a lot of it,
and China and Russia have our back and they want
us to do this, so we're going to invade Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is no way of defending itself. Like this
is basically the dynamic between Guyana, where Exxon's real find
is where like the real prize is it's the biggest
oil find in the last fifty years. Like it. Basically
it makes Saudi Arabia look like nothing. It's huge. Guyana
as a country is like Saudi Arabia as a country.
These people have no way of defending themselves. It's a
fucking nothing state, nothing government. And Venezuela largely I think
at the behest of China and Russia had made actual
military incursions into Saudi into Yeah, Saudi Arabia into Guyana
twice and basically last I checked, it's the open stated
policy of the Maduro government too, basically conquer their next
door neighbor, Guyana, where all of arror fucking where the
real money is that Exxon is all set up and extracting.
Whether he's going to do that or not, who knows.
But the Chinese were basically using it as a lever
against the US in talks right like, Oh, you want
to fuck with mean Chips and Taiwan, how about I
fuck with you in Guyana through my proxy. You're fucking
with me through Taiwan your proxy. I'm gonna fuck with
you through my proxy. That's what this actually was, and
this is what makes fucking The messaging around the whole
Venezuela thing so stupid because it's not that heart of
a fucking concept. This is the problem with the Trump
administration writ large d People who are actually fucking retards
think that average American people are fucking retards, right American. Like,
if I were to just break that down, I think
ninety percent of people in the country would have been
able to understand what I just said. It's not that
fucking difficult. Problem is is Trump and Trump's team, at
least the media team, the people that are doing this
stage managing think that this is too too much for
people to wrap their heads around. So we're going to
do this fake drugs bullshit and now it's gonna be
then that are going to look retarded. So Paul Singer, Yeah,
it's gonna make some fucking money. But if you live
in zog, Jews are gonna make money because they're outsize representations, right, So,
like they make up most hedge fund managers, they make
up most equity managers. This little two percent has got like,
you know, forty percent of hedge fund managers and like
fifty percent of private equity fund managers, and so on
and so forth. So just in the course of fucking
the empire doing its operating, there's going to be somewhere that,
you know, it's like it's like playing beer pong with
you know, one hundred cups on the other side. Right,
chances are like that ball is going to land at
a cup. That doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing
was designed and operated and orchestrated by the cup. I
think it's a combination of both and instead of either or.
And this is the problem with the fucking discourse on
the right, just period. It's the same thing with the
fucking Somalis. Right, I can do both of these things
at the same time. I can hey Somalis and want
them to fuck out of my country and also not
support you know, fucking Israel stupid Somali Land bullshit. I
don't care if Nick whatever his name, Nick Sarta, the
fucking guy that you know discovered the Somali thing is
a fucking zioshill who cares. I want these people to
fuck out of my country. Oh well, demonizing you know,
this is just as really an op to get you
to support Somali Land and get the fucking it gets
you to hate Arabs over like, no, No, these are
fucking creatures that if any fucking founding father ever came across, right,
if George Washington ever came across a Somalian, he would
cleave an acts into his forehead and probably go run
to the nearest church and say, a horrible demon has
broken out of the gates of Hell and accosted me.
You know, in my field, these people like are monsters
that just should not be here at all. They're repulsive.
So me wanting like that, I don't give a fuck
if that's served, Like, oh, well, you're serving Israel by
hating fucking Arabs or whatever. Like, No, I can hate
both of these people at the same time. I have
so much hate in me, in fact, that I can
hate two or three whole groups of people at the
same fucking time. I can hate Venezuelans at the same
time as I hate fucking Lindsey Graham. I can hate
Maduro and Lindsay Graham at the same time. I can
hate China, Venezuela, and Israel and Somalia all at the
same time. I've got that much hate, and I think
most people do.
Speaker 1: Too, And it's easy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like really, like this whole like you have to
be on this side or that side, Like, no, I
can just hate everyone here.
Speaker 1: So to your point, and it's very obvious. A lot
of the bullshit that we're trying to cut through is
just obvious bullshit. Thomas mentioned that the indictment against Madua
was drawn up by fucking what was the Attorney general's
name but Bill Barr in twenty twenty. Okay, so they've
been wanting to go after Venezuela since at least then,
and they want to have been taken Maduro out since
at least then. But everyone knows it goes before that, right.
Paul Singer didn't buy nit Goo until the beginning of
December of twenty twenty five. So it's not like Paul
Singer is this puppet master. He is a puppet master,
but not in the way people want to think the
Jews are puppet masters. It's not like Paul Singer would
like had his sights on Sitko this whole time and
forced the United States government to overthrow mcduro.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I think we were probably gonna do this back in
twenty twenty one, but Trump lost because the election was
stolen from him, And now we're just getting back to
the original plan and he sees the money on the table,
so he jumps in to buy it. And if he
pulled any strings, it was with the It wasn't a judge.
It was like a special magistrate or something who was
reviewing the bids on sitgo, and he was the one
who recommended to the judge, this is who you should
sell it to. That's the guy who chose Paul Singer's firm.
Not only is that guy Jewish, that guy was sitting
on the board of the ADL when it received millions
of dollars from Paul Ballfinger and Gold Reserve, one of
the companies that did not get chosen, is now filing
in court. I don't know if they're suing or if
they're just issuing a paper. I think they just issued
a paper for right now. I don't know if they're
going to stick with this that they were saying that
the fact that that guy took money from Paul Singer's
firm and is now management company and is now right
granting that to him. And by the way, let's keep
in mind here we talked about Tittok and Larry Ellison.
He also was outbid and the court determined that he
should get TikTok. That's the way in which they manipulate
the outcomes. It's they're just they see the pie and
they take the biggest pieces and we don't get any crumbs.
We don't get any crumbs. If Paul Singer has sit
goo then and Stormy me and you talked about this
off off the record. But if he's getting sick goo,
the American people are not getting cheap oil. And you
even said this to me in private, like the oil
or maybe no, I think actually I was talking a
dagger about this, But I think you would agree with
this next statement, which is that the oil companies themselves,
no matter who got sitgo, they're not just gonna dump
one hundred million barrels of oil on the market tomorrow
and drive all their own prices down. They want to
keep it steady. They want to keep it steady. Yeah,
you know Trump is saying that he's going to dump
fifty to Also.
Speaker 4: It'll take a fucking half a decade right to get
That's another one out of there. This is what I'm
trying to tell people, Like, if you think this is
a fucking win, that's going to help him for the midterms,
that fucking oil isn't going to be online till after
twenty twenty eight, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yep, it's all this is obvious stuff. And Trump said
he's going to put fifty to one hundred million barrels
on the market now talking about the midterms. Right, that's
the kind of thing that he can do to try
to like ensure a Republican victory in the midterms is
drive oil prices down by doing that and saying I
did this for you, by you know, taking out Maduro.
Speaker 4: And doing well, this is the other thing. I don't
think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of it, but so are being.
Speaker 4: Settled by twenty Okay, so midterms. Anybody that's run congressional
campaigns or worked on them will know this. I had
a I was, you know, on a on a zoom
call with somebody that had and they were basically breaking
I mean it was a fucking boomer who was telling
me how like they're going to be fixing the Republican
telling this to other boomers and me about how they're
going to fix the Republican, messaging about how like, you know,
basically saying, oh, my god, I wanted to die, dude.
I wanted to fucking scream. He's like, yeah, there's a
real the way, the fucking the way Trump and the
Party is addressing this affordability thing just is not working.
You know. There's a lot of people that are really
really hurting and they're just not going to vote. And
then I was like, Oh, he's getting it. Oh he's
getting it. Oh amazing. And then he goes, yeah, there
are just some you know, ethnic cohorts that have basically
been left out of the economy and all the you know,
the great economic success from like you know, really from
like nineteen ninety onwards, they didn't get to participate in
any of this. So they need to know what, you know,
what's going to be, you know, we need to do
something for them. And I was like, I just touched,
like I touched my meat button. Was like, so, you
mean like minorities and he's like yeah, yeah. I put
myself back on mute and I'm screaming at the top
of my fucking lungs. And this guy has a lot
of power, Like, this guy's not a nobody. And it
was about like seventy five whatever, and then he goes
on to basically describe how, you know, how the midterms
are decided, and he said, like the midterms are races
about like they're they're basically the only that matters of
the primaries, right, and the races are basically decided by September, right,
like the real mid terms, like the midterms actually start
campaigning needs to start in July. So Trump's got six
months less and this is all gonna be decided, all
said and done by September and one month earlier, so
August and June for states that do early early voting,
which is like half of them. So there's just isn't
enough time, right, Like some guy was chimping out of me,
Oh you're a trader, Like, oh, you're just trying to
sew panic about Trump losing the midterms, Like all right, yeah,
well tell me why, tell me why he's gonna win, Like, oh,
fifteen thousand DHS agents are going to come online and
then he's send in two thousand DHS agents to tou
to Minneapolis and they're gonna they're gonna deport one hundred
thousand Somalis. And also, like this, Venezuela's name is like
a big thing, for the big win for the base.
I was like, they're gonna forget about this in six
months and unless unless the only way they're gonna remember
this is if Trump decides to make this like a
big thing and poor resources and people into Venezuela, and
then it's gonna have the opposite effect. All Right, So
this may if he keeps Venezuela relevant and in the
discourse six months from now, it'll be at his fucking failure.
Because that don't mean like the American people are going
to see like this up here comes the quagmire again
and all of the DHS stuff that that guy said, like,
none of that is going to matter in six months.
They wanted a domestic president. He campaigned on nothing but
domestic issues. He's like, Oh yeah, we're going to get
out of all this stuff overseas, no more wars, and
we're gonna now basically stop the fucking foreign policy government,
and we're going to stop immigration. We're going to send
people back home. We are going to onshore manufacturing, I mean,
all the other stuff. And it's just been because of
Benjamin Att and Yahoo, right that the very people he
sacrificed his administration to help are going to be the
same people that throw him under the fucking bus after
he's out of the office.
Speaker 1: They don't care who who is the president.
Speaker 4: They exactly, they don't give a ship.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: They'll make sure they don't lose. They don't care if
the Republicans lose. Not that I even like the republic
I mean, Stormy, let me ask you, exactly, at this
point do we even fucking want them to win the midterms?
At this point when they're running people like Vvek and
Randy Fine and they're fucking telling Marjorie Taylor Green to
fuck off and forcing.
Speaker 4: This is another thing like you basically took a lady
that was loyalty from the very beginning. Yeah, and you
fucking hammered her to across over Israel. The base doesn't
want the Epstein files released because they think it's some
SORTI pedophilia scandal or whatever. Right, it's not. They don't
want this. Everyone needs to really give credit to like
where the normy brain is at.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 4: I agree, and I will say like that. It's why I
don't like disparaging them and I won't and I love
them dearly. I think like the average just you know,
normal American is probably one of the most you know,
decent people on the planet. And uh, like anybody that's
ever like broken down on the side of the road,
when some old fucking boomer in a pickup truck pulls over,
there's a you will have a an audible sigh of relief.
And I've been all around the world and that just
doesn't exist anywhere. Right, So the average American, as politically
retarded as he is, is probably one of the most
decent people on the fucking planet. So it's really kind
of shitty that they actually have to focus on this
shit at all. And it's not their fault they don't
understand it. But like when it comes to like whether
we should be do we even want conservatives to win,
that's a that's a really good question. On the inquisition,
we were the first people to uh basically call out
that there is basically, you know, now everyone has come
to the realization that there are factions vying for power
inside the Trump government. Right, there's like two things going on.
And from from what Mark Mark Mitchell says, Vance and
Hegseth get it, Like, so basically this is a generational conflict, right,
the boomers and the Zionists. Really we say that, oh,
like once the boomers are gone, Zionism is over. That's
the same mechanism inside the administration, right, Like, the only
reason that any of these people have any play right
is uh is because of age. So frankly, I I
may say, I don't think we should support anyone over fifty.
I don't care. Right in twenty twenty eight the midterms, Like,
I don't know. This generational divide in this is really
kind of the biggest thing I think inside the administration.
So if fucking people in their sixties and seventies that
don't want to fucking retire and want to still try
and pretend to be relevant, if they want to run
the Republican Party, then no, I don't want them to win.
It would be better if they fucking failed. But in
the end, we're going to have to step over these people.
So it's like, basically, what you're saying is do we
want them to buy themselves more time or not? I
don't know. I don't know whether. I don't know how
to answer that because I don't know what Trump is
going to do to try and buy our votes between
now and then. Every Somalian knows why he votes Democrat
every fucking one, So I want to know why I
should vote Republican or why I should vote for any
of these fagots in the midterms, Like may make me
want to do that, like you've made the Democrats have
made the Somalians want to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, I think if he's fucking.
Speaker 4: Bribe me, but just show me that you're doing things
for me.
Speaker 1: I think if he does put fifty two one hundred
million barrels on the market along with the money saving
that will be putting people's pockets from the Big Beautiful
Bill which is going to go through, which is going
through now, which people are going to start to see
the results of soon, that would help him a lot.
And I think he knows that, And I think he's
saying this because he knows that. I just don't know
if the people who I don't want to say control
him but influence him and have his ear, will allow
any of that to happen. I mean, the Big Beautiful
Bill went through, but the oil thing, I'll believe it
when I see it. But that's the type of thing
he would do to like capture the normies back and
make them forget about you know Epstein and all that shit.
You're muted Stormy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, I'm not a fucking filthy Indian like Vivek Ramaswami.
I mute myself and I take a piss.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, I want to mention to the listener.
A lot of times it sounds like Stormy's taking a piss,
but he's filling up his water bottle. Yeah, I was.
I was gonna mute you one time. I was, what
the fuck? And then I saw it. You were filling
your water bottle up. So if you if you guys
think you hear Stormy pissing, it's he's filling up.
Speaker 4: You generally hear like clinking of glass or something like
that as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know people. I don't know if anybody's
gonna believe me or not, but it's true.
Speaker 4: Who cares? I Well, let's put this away. Maybe we'll
give them like an audio sample of what me taking
a piss sounds like, and then they can compare and contrast.
But like with h, so, do we want these people
to win?
Speaker 1: Not Vvek. I don't think he's gonna win. So now
he's sunk, we're gonna get a fucking it's just what
they did in Virginia. So you talked, you talked about
this on the show. Yeah, the gop ran a fucking
like literal Jamaican woman who was like speaking platois.
Speaker 4: And if unless I really hope Fishback really stops this
abortion thing, he's going to close. If you notice, his
policies are great, but somebody has convinced him of this
poison pill of I'm going to ban all abortion clinics
in Florida. That is, that's a poison pill. There's a
reason that no politician says that, or why when Lindsey
Graham was trying to sabotage the Republicans in the twenty
and the run into the twenty twenty four election, he
was saying that, yeah, we need to we need to
fuck They know it's a poison pill. They know it is.
So either James Fishback is an elaborate experiment to basically
how to go about doing rhetoric in like the fucking post,
you know, breakout of containment of like the dissident right spheres,
which I mean the person that the person that's running
his campaign is is is really tightly affiliated with the Santis.
So it makes me wonder, right. I don't know if
he knows that, but anyways, you're seeing guys make huge strides,
like the guy in Ohio that's basically fucking bodying Vivek
in like two weeks. This guy's come out of nowhere.
And you know, these people are that unpopular. Zionism is unpopular,
h one b fucking Indians are on like literally fucking
no one likes Indians, not even other Indians. So this
has been gone going on for as long as it
has because they've effectively clipped any challenges, any alternatives, very
very early. But in the age of social media, you
can't do that anymore. So I don't know, man, you
got fucking guys running for governor that have really good
shots on anti Zionism and they're blowing up. So I
don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned this on the show before. Yeah, I
have to get going soon, but I'm trying to hold
out for him, he said, he was.
Speaker 4: Oh, but I don't have much time left either.
Speaker 1: Your point about anti Zionism, they're really like begging for
a fucking anti Zionist Muslim candidate to come out of
the left, and because the left is like totally totally
against Zionism now and the former left that you can't
really call the left anymore, I don't I guess I
don't know who we could call. These people the libertarian
sort of left that defected from the left that now
are Trump supporters or were Trump supporters, like, all of
those people are anti Zionist. So I don't think the
Zionists would allow a mainstream Democrat or Republican candidate to
campaign or win on anti Zionism. And Trump never Trump
is never an anti Zionist, So if it's going to
happen organically, it would be from I think a Muslim.
And as much as I don't like Mom Donnie, he
he got a lot of cachet from being anti Zionists,
and he's popular for all of his terrible, fucking retarded bullshit.
He is popular among the anti zionist left, and they don't,
you know, they don't see all the other shit, so
they're really asking for it. And I see Trump by
allowing this sort of thing to like Brew, he's fucking
us long term by not putting his foot down with
these people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he really is.
Speaker 1: Vance is in a tough place, man, because I think
Vance gets all this you said, I think you said
it earlier. Mark Mitchell gets that, vance gets this, Like and.
Speaker 4: When he knows this firsthand, he went to the White House.
He's all the stuff that we talk about right on
the shows like this, Like everyone should go listen to
Jay Burdens interview with him. It's fantastic. But he basically says,
you know, he brought this to fucking Trump, I said
in his to his face, and Trump didn't get it, like,
and this is why I think it is generational. And
this is why, like people can say this is disloyal
or whatever. I don't give a shit. Frankly, I have
a loyalty to a people group and that's it. I
don't have loyalty to Donald Trump, the real estate developer.
The best thing that could happen to the Republican Party
is that Donald Trump suddenly steps or sorry, the best
thing that could happen to the country is that Donald
Trump suddenly steps down. It's the truth. He just doesn't
get it when Mark Mitchell told him everything that everyone
should go listen to Jay burden interview, Like, if you're
listening to this, I would almost say stop listening to
this right now, check out and listen to interview, then
come back that it's that good. But you know, like,
let's say young men not being able to start families
and buy fucking homes. Donald Trump's response of that verbatim, Oh, well,
people like their people like their house prices high. They
wouldn't like it. They wouldn't like it if their house
prices went down. Okay, So young Americans don't get to
have families like the boomers can't grock certain shit, right,
Trump's gonna be what seventy eight or some shit? How
old is he?
Speaker 5: Think?
Speaker 1: He's eighty?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: Is he?
Speaker 1: He might be seventy nine, he's seventy nine or eighty?
Speaker 4: What fucking yeah, he's seventy nine? Like, can we just
be fucking real he's an eighty year old? Like we
make fun of Mitch McConnell. How old is Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 1: He's like ninety something eight?
Speaker 4: Is he really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look it up. He's in his nineties. I
believe that guy's basically a fucking walking corpse. Eighty three,
Well he's not a young eighty three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Donald Trump is what three years behind? Like,
can these people understand anything that the country is going through,
like are they physically able to? And it's not, doesn't
make them bad people like the Boomer was literally raised
in an aquarium full of Jewish propaganda, Like they were
just dunked in a tank, yes, and never let out,
So it's not their fault. But like, really, like, what
are we doing here?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: Put Carl comes in at the eleventh.
Speaker 5: Hour, Hey fellas, Hey bud.
Speaker 1: Carl, we're running short on time, but we wanted to
give you some a few minutes.
Speaker 4: Here.
Speaker 1: Did we go into Venezuela for the oil? Are we
going to see oil on the market? Was that the
only impetus for Venezuela? Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. No, No, I don't know so yeah, I mean
the oil is a thing. And here and here's the thing.
Stormy cast a non Christian Galician spell in our chat
last week explaining the level of risk associated with the
sit goo move by Singer. And then of course there's
the obviously corrupt judge that forced the sale to him
rather than to the highest bidder, which is in court.
So that's going to continue. But it's not like the
US government did this because they're like, oh shit, Paul
Singer told us to do it, like it doesn't work
that way. Now, I will say this. I will say this, Uh,
all of our all of our Middle Eastern nonsense goes
back to Israel. Yes, it really, it really does. The
The challenge, however, is that we're not going to do
that again. We're not in a position. We're not in
a position to do a real big boy war, and
a lot of guys are legitimately concerned with the the
bump that this Venezuela operation gave to certain people, particularly
in the like in the veteran class of our guys,
guys who are vets. They're excited by what they see
because of just the basically they're winning attitude and their
fuck you were America and we kick ass attitude, which
is fine. I understand the concerns that everyone has about that.
That doesn't mean these guys are like, oh, yeah, let's
get into a meat grinder warrant, send our sons into it.
That's not that's not what's happening. Yeah, sure, there are
some that we'll fall for it. But this was an
op that was done in a very controlled way, specifically
because the United States has totally neglected Latin America for decades,
and I think it was hank Oslo American son posted
something that pissed a bunch of people off, and then
I quote posted it, and that pissed a bunch of
people off because they're incapable of understanding this. You're not
being a tool of Zog by basically saying, here are
the rules in our playground, and the rules that we
had in place from eighteen forty eight to about nineteen
thirty nine are back in play. The way we've done it,
you know, between that time and now was a disaster.
We're not doing that again. Venezuela has become a playground
for intelligence operatives from hostile nations astral You've explained the
drug thing very well. The vast majority of the drugs
that are coming out of there are going to Europe,
not the United States. But here's the thing you're gonna say, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just quickly on that point. I said earlier in the
show that the cocaine from the paramilitaries is going southwest
to Ecuador and then coming up the Pacific coast and boats.
That's the cocaine that's going to America. Yes, most, if
not all, of the cocaine that's going north from the
north coast of Venezuela and across the Caribbean that's going
to Europe.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, perfect perfectly dated. Now here's something I reposted
some I reposted someone this morning, a let's see what's
the name of this armas de conflicto America Latina, So
it's Latin American small arms. And what this person is
doing is they post in Spanish. I think they might
be in Urgentina, but anyway, very good content. It'll be
translated automatically by Grock for you, or at least you
might have to click on the thing. And it's showing
something that I was talking about last time we got together,
which was Venezuelan AK one h three's showing up in
the hands of Colombian irregulars and all kinds of shit
coming through Colombia being part of the Latin American like
drug network. And it is that they're red caught handed
and that shit is over. Now here's the other thing.
People people want to see America fail because they associate
America with zog right, and like, I understand that perspective,
but the level of failure that it would require to
not be pleased when you see things that are okay,
like you might not like this. You might say this
is dangerously close to colonialism, but it's not. We're not.
We're going to do this shit with merks. We're going
to do it with lawyers and banks. And yes, there's
going to be problems in Venezuela, but Venezuela was a
problem anyway. We have twenty percent of their population in
America because of what's been going on, and that was
a heavily like anti white Indio thing that was that's
been taking place since like twenty fourteen, and so like
it's gonna be it's gonna be dealt with. Like people
should not be surprised by this.
Speaker 1: Jumping in quickly to bolster your point, the trendy at
Agwa thing that gang became powerful and lucrative through human
trafficking from Venezuela to America exactly. That's why that gang
has any power, exactly.
Speaker 5: And so so yes, it's it's very good to be
skeptical of the talking points of the administration, but they'll
still tell you what they're really doing. There'll be other
bullshit sprinkled in there, the stuff about the drugs coming
out that's going to Europe and the reason they're blasting
them is the money. And here's the thing. They owe
lots of money and cause a lot of problems for us.
And they also and it isn't just Paul Singer, it's
a lot of people. It's a huge resource. We can
process that stuff. It is very important that China not
control a resource in our sphere. It's important that Russia
not like I want Russia to win in Ukraine so
that this so that that war stops and they stop
sending like white men into meat grinders, you know, Christian
Ukrainians and Russians. That doesn't mean that I want a
hostile relationship with Russia where we're on each other's borders.
I don't want America on Russia's border. I don't want
NATO there. I want NATO to go away. But I
also don't want those guys in our playground, and especially
the way that that empowers the shit heels like the Cubans,
as well as like the Chinese. As Stormy has pointed
out numerous times, the Chinese basically have naval bases in
the Caribbean and huge intelligence operations, not to mention obviously
shit going on in America, but they can be much
more overt in these rings around us. Remember also that
during the Biden administration that the Chinese were basically running
the corridors and enabling a lot of shit going from
Panama up to the United States. This is stuff that
we have to deal with. And you can be like, well,
I'm deeply concerned about Paul Singer, but that's like, that's
a level of monomania that is really bad for your
ability to think. You need, you want to see conditions
that allow us to recover and gain control, and by
just losing all the time and demanding like total collapse,
all that'll do is get your children killed. So like
you need to have you need to get a little
emotional distance when these things happen. Understand there's going to
be stuff that you don't like. Understand that it's complicated.
But also like people are being bitches man, and and
they're they're being incontinent and very feminine, and it kind
of drives me crazy to be honest, people, I.
Speaker 1: Like, there's even talk about uh Maduro, you know, being
a communist, and that's a good thing, Like, no, the
fuck it's not. And yet they did steal our shit. Okay,
let's dispel this bullshit right now. Because some people on
the right are saying that like, oh, they're a sovereign
nation and that's their oil. Da da da da da. No,
all that oil was being fucking pumped and refined and
put on the market by our companies and our money
and our investors, and they literally fucking stole it. And
what did they use the money for to give fucking
venice whil and military gear to the paramilitaries who are
selling drugs like that, That just happened the country. The
country collapsed and fell apart, became Caracas became the most
violent city in the world in twenty fifteen, all by
their own fucking doing. And this goes back to the eighties. Okay,
their economy kept collapsing because they were so corrupt they
couldn't fuck it. They couldn't run the economy. What happened
in Ukraine with the way they were skimming money off
the top that we were giving them for, you know,
fortifying their infrastructure, and the way there was that's what
Venezuela was doing with the money they were making off
the fucking oil sales, to the point where the industry collapsed,
and then they had to take an IMF bailout and
then then that plunged, the IMF bailout and the restructuring
plunged the country into poverty, which was it was like
a First World nation. That's what led to the rise
of Hugo Chavez, who was an actual communist, and then
he started to like build it up with the help
of international mostly Canadian and American oil infrastructure, and then
he fucking stole it.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: So these aren't these aren't like good.
Speaker 5: Guys and he can can I say something, my eighty
year at old good guys and we're the bad guys.
Speaker 1: Here go ahead.
Speaker 5: My eighty year old aunt grew up in Venezuela. She
wasn't born there. She's not Venezuelan. She's an Anglo American
of deep stock because her father was an oil and
gas engineer and he began there like cultivation and extraction
industry in the forties, the nineteen forties. So she grew up.
She spent like I want to say, like fifteen years
of her early of her childhood in Venezuela and before
coming back to the United States. And it's like this
is people just have no historical understanding of the way
this works. Hank Oslo what he said. The thing that
got all these like frankly feminine bitches all tied up
in knots was he basically said, the old way of
doing it is, you're like, if you're in my area
of influence and you're doing something I don't like, you're
gonna make good on it or you're gonna fucking pay me.
And if you're a problem, I will smack the shit
out of you. And that's the way it is. And
these same people correctly point out that America and are
the old like the old Team A and part of
Team B as I always as always like to put it,
as someone framed that there are all these groups of
people who, uh, we're doing this in Eastern Europe and
Ukraine until Russia could assert themselves. And yes, we need
to iron that shit out and stop it and stop
this pointless conflict. We should get along with the Russians,
we should get along with the Chinese. We're the ones
who empowered the Chinese. They can only mess with us
in our hemisphere because we empower them, because we allow it.
But we can't allow them to do this shit. And
people just need to stop being incontinent. It's it's it's crazy,
Like you're gonna drive yourself crazy and you're never going
to be able to have any influence politically because you're
you're removing yourself entirely from the equation.
Speaker 1: Look, man, in.
Speaker 4: My it's like the same it's the exact same people
is trying to tell me that this is a win
for me personally. Like both of these things are ridiculous.
Speaker 5: You're both retarded.
Speaker 4: You can hate both of these people at the same time.
Speaker 5: They're both stupid ideas.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, if there's going to be
a large military presence anywhere in the fucking world, it
needs to be like off Baja Mexico, and it needs
to be in the Gulf of America, Like that's where
we should. I hope he keeps the there. I hope
he keeps it there for years.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: And Greenland, Yeah, I was going to bring this also
insanely important.
Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up because immediately Trump
went to Greenland.
Speaker 4: Yeah, where to missile? Yeah? Have you been monitoring this? This? Uh?
This shadow tanker or sorry that that tell me what
you think about this? Because it left I ran two
weeks ago, so it basically embarked on its journey full
of whatever is full of Yes, before Maduro was ousted,
what can possibly be on this oil tanker because it's
not it's not oil ship.
Speaker 5: We don't want to be on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, because the Shadow Fleet oil tankers they just
like when we when we interdict them for sanctions of
Asian they just abandon them. Yes, they don't basically act
like a fucking black guy in a stolen car that
gets pulled over and haul ass and lead leave you
on it, lead you on an entire cross Atlantic police chase,
trying to get into the Baltic Sea. Yeah, that's very strange.
It suddenly just wants to go back to Russia really
really bad. That's weird.
Speaker 5: I mean I understand why. It's not like I don't
understand why they would have weapons, you know, to to
stop America, you know, from any incursions and you know,
their area of influence. Like of course, and I'm not
gonna it was there was there was a point in time.
There was a point in time when I was kind
of like, you know what, I just can't feel bad
for people that fall for this regime and uh, you know,
get killed in pointless escalations in the Persian Gulf, Like
when when those anti ship missiles take out you know,
a carrier group like duh, right, And I mean that
doesn't mean that I think it's funny or that it's good.
Speaker 4: That's what I think was on that ship.
Speaker 5: Exactly. That's got to be what it is. That's the
only thing that it would be. Yeah, what else would.
Speaker 4: Anti ship anti ship hypersonic mass?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I mean that's we We are
so far behind because the stupid fucking Middle East.
Speaker 4: That I was telling the listeners, like the George Bush,
George W. Bush administration from from the time he got
elected to September, right, so the whole first year, everything
that anyone can talk about on the news, everything that
all the everything that the Pentagon was saying and releasing
its ten years, its five year strategic Defense initiative. It
was New star Wars, New Star Wars, New Star Wars.
Were doing missile technology, that's it. We're doing anti ballistic
missile defense, we're doing offensive missile design, and we're doing
space ship that's yep, yep. So we got out of
the Salt Treaty and Energy Strategic Treaty.
Speaker 5: Yeah, going oh, I was saying Energy nuke power. A
three mile island will be up and running again in
eighteen months. They just neared a bunch of shit out
of the way like yesterday.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I just mean like and then you got
nine to eleven and the Jews basically hijacked, yes, and
then drug us in the Middle East, So all of
the Middle military technology had to be about defending troops
against fucking twenty dollars IED's buried by fucking sand people. Yes,
But Russia and China just kept right on scooting along
doing missile defense.
Speaker 5: Funny story. Funny story. A friend of mine, same age
as me in the nineties, joined the Army out of
high school, uh and was a I forget the name
of his the specific name of his MOS, but he
was a Stinger missile operator and moved up and was
running like a platoon of anti aircraft defense gout and
then he was going to go and do the next
tier where they do more like you know, infrastructure based
anti aircraft systems and everything like that. And several moss
were erased by the Army in air defense after nine
to eleven because they were like, well that we're not
going to be going up against near peer armies. Ever,
we're just going to be blowing up sand people in
the desert.
Speaker 4: Because they thought that they were out of the strategic exactly. Yep.
It was the end of globalization. Yep, globalization. We're never
going to go to war with Russia or China. We're
never going to have a near peer competitor. Why would
I do that?
Speaker 5: And I don't want to, but you the way that
you avoid it is by having the capabilities so that
it's the exact same thing that is it. Medvedev keeps
talking about how wonderful nuclear weapons are. Nuclear weapons are
the only deterrent for like a peer to peer war.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I will say I will push back on
it slightly.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was about to agree with you, go ahead, okay,
what it's the proxy wars. In the proxy wars and
the peripheral wars, you also need the capabilities to prevent
the expansion in a in a peer and near peer
setting by having the appropriate level of technology. You need
good anti aircraft, you need anti ship missiles. You need
to have a an effective deterrent, and you need to
show it. You need you need to. This is showing
that we're willing to put our money where our mouths are.
Now here's the other side of this. There were Chinese
and Russian delegations in Caracas when this mission went down.
I fucking guarantee, I can't prove it yet, but I
fucking guarantee that there were conversations about Taiwan and Ukraine
taking place, and they weren't what the critics think they were.
I'm positive they made a deal on Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Did you see the testimony. There was testimony right, you
saw that in twenty nineteen. Yes, I'll find her name.
But someone testified in front of Congress had said that
Trump was gonna get This was when Trump was in
president the first time that he was going to give
uh Russia the Donbass and China Ukraine in exchange for Venezuela.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then and then the indictment on Maduro came out
right after that, and then the election got stolen right
after that.
Speaker 4: I think want Russia correct. The Jews did not want
Russia to get the done Bass correct. Done Bass is
where all the good shit is in Ukraine. The rest
of Ukraine's bullshit yep. One st and frankly, also, this
is why you see, this is why you saw here
Starmer and all these other NATO fagots coming to the
US to fuck with our election going into twenty twenty four.
They didn't succeed. Right, NATO is not our friend. Nope,
NATO is not our friend. NATO is not our friend.
You want to know what ZOG is, ZOG is NATO.
NATO is like, it's the apparatus. And obviously there is
our bio or sorry, our zio Leninism that we talk
about in our own our own government. But as far
as uh that, the UNI party is that. But they
they did not want to give the Dunbass to Russia
because really the Russian Ukrainian War is yes, it's a
proxy war, but it's a sphere of influence war. The
reason why Europe will burn itself down for this is
because the war is actually to determine whether Europe is
in Russia's sphere of influence or Russia is in Europe's
sphere of influence. Yep, that's what this is about. But
as far as the nuclear weapons stopping near peer conflict,
I was talking to us on Twitter earlier before, right
before we jumped on to a friend of the show,
Darryl Cooper, about China, and basically I pointed out, like
you know, I think asked what you said, that fentanyl
was basically their fentanyl operation was an act of war.
Which now that you've basically told me how proven out
that it is, that this is actually at this direct
behest of the Chinese government, I am inclined to agree
with you. But before that, we recently caught a Chinese
national with wheat blight, genetically engineered little fucking bacteria bugs
to destroy the wheat production. America is the largest wheat
producer in the fucking world. I gotta jump here shortly.
Uh oh my god, banker calling there we go. I
gotta take that shortly, so I'll jump off. After this.
We caught the wheat blight, we didn't catch the citrus one. Right,
They introduced a bug into the US that basically wiped
out It's this It's called greening. The disease that is
caused by this bacteria only existed in China prior, and
now a hypervirulent strain of it popped up in Florida
ten years ago. Moved first moved to Florida. Every single
fucking space, yes, anty real estate had just orange trees,
just literally just pop like not orange groves, just they
just existed everywhere. You don't see any anymore, none, Like
it's the only orange you'll maybe see, like a handful
of orange trees in that exist that are like in
a former orange grove, and now it's just three or
four dying trees in the middle.
Speaker 5: Insane.
Speaker 4: It's insane.
Speaker 5: Thanks China exactly.
Speaker 4: And you know there was a mysterious virus, the mysterious
variant of swine flu that wiped out eighty percent of
China's pork supply. And then there's that giant synthetic aperture
antenna that we used to beam lots and lots and
lots of microwaves off of the ionosphere and basically make
it not rain by heating up the air way way
way above the surface of the Earth right so where
the planes are like thirty thousand feet twenty thousand feet.
If you heat that up just a couple of degrees,
rain doesn't happen. And now I Ran has been for
the last eight or nine years experiencing a thousand year
drought that just doesn't end, a once in a thousand
year drought that doesn't end. And we live in a
world Now there's actually a member of the OGC that
genetically engineered yeast to produce gasoline. Really really cool. He
did it in his apartment and he you know, came
up with what he thought the deno genetic sequence would
be that would give him this desired result, sent that
code off to a lab and you know, lab sent
him back the DNA and he popped it into the yeast.
The equipment that to do the equipment to do that,
it's about fifty grand. You can three D print viruses.
You can go look this up. You can three D
print viruses and the equipment costs fifty hundred thousand dollars.
Some asshole, you know, let's say they know a lot
about genetics and virology, and as an insane person with
you know, fifty grand or one hundred grand or whatever,
he can make bubonic plague in his backyard. Like, this
is the world we live in now, where we have
to attack each other and all these other means because
we can't nuke each other, so China has to use
biological weapons against us in a way where they can
kind of deny it, right, because if they just did
a bilot, if they released mubonic plague or some shit
like that. We would have launched, I mean, per our
WMD doctrine, we should have launched a counter value nuclear
strike and turned China into molten glass. That's what we
should have done. So in order for that to not happen,
they basically do this right up to the edge thing
right where they erode every other part of our society
because we can't directly go to war because it just
means nukes are flying. So it's introduced this new type
of thing which is much much.
Speaker 5: Worse well put, very well put.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna jump off a little bit earlier. All right,
Barl and Astros take us out.
Speaker 1: Thanks for the show. Stormy doculator, I gotta get go
into but I want to give you the last word here.
Speaker 5: So another thing that was posted on the fifth of January,
details came out of the New York Times on why
the Trump administration decided not to back that Maria Karina Mashada.
You know, Astral you and I talked about this because
again everyone was like, oh, they've already picked the person
that they've already picked the shake and bake government, like,
which was what we've done on behalf of Zog for decades,
and it never works. The DM regime didn't work. You know,
all kinds of Latin American governments that we put in
place didn't work. It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't
work in all these places. That is why our government
is surprising everybody by basically saying we're gonna we're going
to continue to work with the people who are in
the government of Venezuela because we made we made a
fucking deal obviously, like and that's how you do this stuff.
This is the old Minroe doctrine thing. And I know
that people get mad. They're like, oh, I'm really mad
because that you're you know, you're ascribing some sort of
success to Donald Trump, and we can't do that because
zog And it's like, no, you need to get over
your incontinence and learn how to perceive the world and
and you need to see that, yes, they're shifting in
a more intelligent direction. And when things are better for us,
that gives you opportunities to get power again. I'm not
saying join the National Republican Party and vote for you know,
Ted Cruz, I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are opportunities,
and they're people that are going for it, and that's
the only way this happens, collapsing that you don't get
like the plan to date has been total collapse, question
mark total aryan victory, and it's like it, that's not
how it works. You don't want that. You know, you
need to look for opportunities. And there's a lot of
moves that are happening right now domestically as well. People
have been really mad, Hey, why are you doing this?
I want domestic stuff. This is what Trump just posted
thirty nine minutes ago, or someone reposted thirty nine minutes ago,
because it's on truth social why would I go there?
For a very long time, and owning a home was
considered the pinnacle of the American dream. It was the
reward for working hard and doing the right thing. But now,
because of the record high inflation caps caused by Joe Biden,
the Democrats in Congress, and other things, but that American
dream is increasingly out of reach for far too many people,
especially younger Americans. It is for that reason and much
more that I am immediately taking steps to ban large
institutional investors from buying more single family homes terminology TOVD
and I will be calling on Congress to codify it.
People live in homes, not corporations. I will discuss this topic,
including further housing and affordability proposals and more, at my
speech in Davos in two weeks. He's going to Davos
to put these fucks you know, which we've talked about
a lot. The Davos people are pitching their selling like
how wonderful you are to rich people to try to
spread their NGO poison. And Trump is going there to
talk about this stuff. We have been hammering him on
the shit and the ADMIN and it's percolating up. They
also just ended the UH. I think it was because
I believe it was originally an executive order that allowed
H one B holders to get first time home buyers loans,
and now that's over and the Indian press is freaking
out about it. So these are good things they're happening.
Not being so fucking incontinent. Yes, criticize the things that
you don't like, talk about reality, expose these things people
are that they expose themselves, share their own words. That's
the only way that you get the momentum that you
want to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the problem is is I mean, other
people say this, and it's just obviously true. Trump is
surrounded by fucking snakes and cultures who will tank his
fucking presidency and they push the fifty year mortgage bullshit.
Speaker 5: Yes, like it's them.
Speaker 1: This is this is like when when I said this
already on the show, I'm gonna say it again. I
think Trump actually wants to put fifty to one hundred
million barrels of oil on the market because he knows
that's a good That's the type of guy he is.
It is all this nonsense we see. It's like it's
like a fucking consulting firm. It's like the equivalency of
a consulting firm going to a corporation and selling them
a bunch of bullshit with a really good spin on it.
And then when Trump sees the response, this is what
we need to see. We need to see Trump being
like the guy he actually is because he wants to
do stuff like this because he wants to be loved,
he wants to be popular. Yea, So hopefully hopefully it's
not too late. You know, he planned a lot of bullshit.
But at the same time, to Carl's point, like dude,
we don't have fifty your mortgages. It's just a fucking
retarded tweet.
Speaker 5: That exactly exactly ran around.
Speaker 7: Like fucking chickens with their head cut off about yeah
and and ten thousand ICE agents just came online. Yeah,
and it's ten It's like ten to fifteen thousand per
month for the next couple months coming online, coming out
of training, and there they surged into Minneapolis, and all
the same fucking.
Speaker 5: Retards are going, Oh, it's because Somoli's are Muslim and
blah blah, it's shut the fuck up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me let me say another thing again to Carl's point,
because this is some much needed, uh setting the record straight, Carl,
So I appreciate you doing that. I will scream criticisms
of Trump, Tulle, and Blue in the face every single
time bends over and kiss his own asshole when Nick
tells him to. But at the same time, dude, Ice,
ICE forcibly fucking evicted six hundred thousand people in twenty
twenty five. I think that's great. I'm super happy with that.
And they don't bear any about that.
Speaker 5: They barely had control, I know. And we're now in
the post Biden, you know, fiscal year. It's over, and
so so it is time to go ham all the
shit comes online now they have the funding for all
the shit. All the funding authorization was the last year. Yeah,
big BBBH.
Speaker 1: Were you on the call when I brought that up.
Speaker 5: I wasn't. Not yet. I will listen.
Speaker 1: No, that's fine. I'm just saying I brought up the big,
beautiful bill and I said, all the positive effects from
that are starting to happen, like right now. That's one
of the things.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's huge, it's huge, and I understand where I
totally understand where people are coming from. But like like
I said, I've said this before many times in twenty
twenty four. No, it was. It was after October seventh.
I said, holy shit, we're going to see a huge pivot.
When I saw in the gym and the cardio area
they new they have TVs and it's almost it's news
and sports and it's CNN and Fox News and CNN.
CNN was preparing people's anuses for what was coming, and
a a poster on GAB named Judge Dread who will
I will always give lots of credit for for this
level of insight. He pointed out that I think it
was Finkelstein who was part of the GOP part of
the Southern strategy. He coined He coined this term, and yes, yeah,
but he talked about Team A and Team B being
a factional organizational, self organizing concept that that inevitably forms.
And specifically it's about factions that are formed with juke
powerful Jews on both sides. Team A and Team B
that have different goals. You have the team as the
blue hair screeching anti white, total white genocide, as soon
as possible, crash and burn everything team and then Team
B are the they're the more like conservative, like Zionist
oriented ones who are realizing, oh shit, if America crashes
and burns, Israel's over, so what they and they're part.
There's a Team B coalition which includes people who don't
hate us, as as Pete and Stormy and Astral and
all of us have talked about frankly ad nauseum, there
are people in this coalition who don't hate us, who
are still team players with them, but they'll also favor
things that are good for America. And so Israel needs
America to have power and military production and all this
because they want us to come to their rescue and
do their bidding. They want that goy farm to keep
churning out soldiers if they helped establish the conditions where
we can reassert ourselves, because the only way they can
get that is if we get re empowered. Do you
think we're all gonna forget the way that they've behaved
and talked to us and acted and all the all
the information that is available about Jewish behavior and history
is going to just go away. We're going to forget
about it. They're they're going to push for censorship, yes,
but you know what, fuck them. It is not part
of our tradition. And I don't think they're going to
be successful. I mean, we'll see, we'll fight for it.
But if this ship is not going away and we're
not surrendering just because it's Donald Trump and you hate
Donald Trump because he licks his own anus in front
of that and yahoo.
Speaker 1: Well look man, I got so much to say about that.
I definitely have to go. So we will take this
up next time. Thank you so much for takeing.
Speaker 4: Us out here.
Speaker 5: This is the one of this episode.
Speaker 1: Have but uh, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
I I'm stopping myself from this jumping off because.
Speaker 5: I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Oh so Rick could tell next week
Speaker 5: U