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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody to the inquisition. Listeners were calling for

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the panel to reconvene after Maduro was kidnapped a guest

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for lack of a better term, by the Trump regime,

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and people want our thoughts and it's a big topic.

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We got a lot to say. We're gonna have the

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full panel here, which means Carl and Jay Burden are

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also going to be joining us later Right now, though,

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me and Thomas sat down to get to get started.

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Stormy and Peter on the way, stay tuned for later

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in the show where Carl pops in. But uh, Thomas, Man,

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there's many angles here, but I think the best place

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to start is actually with some of the stuff you've

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been tweeting over the last couple of days, which, if

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I may paraphrase, it sounds like you're saying, like if

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we want to go monro doctor, and we should go

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full bore and not this like half assed. I don't

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even know what to call it, like military. I guess

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we'll call it a military action.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't make any sense. I mean, I

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don't I don't believe what Haig Saysn't the Pentagon are

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claiming that this was some incredible operation whereby some sort

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of you know, some sort of Delta force team somehow

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penetrated Venezuelan airspace totally undetected, kidnapped the president despite him

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being protected by a hostile opposing force, and not a

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shot was fired, or there weren't any casual ts, or

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they killed a thousand Cubans or something. I don't believe that.

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It's pretty obvious that Maduro was sold out by his

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own people, or by some opposition element that had been

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curated by the United States, or by you know, some

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constellation of actors who'd you know, been bought off, or

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you know, saw the writing on the wall and sacrificed

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Maduro to avoid, you know, an escalation of hostilities, you know.

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The So I don't I don't believe that there was

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some ninja operation where by Maduro was teleported out of

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Caracas or whatever. What doesn't make any sense about it

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is if you read this indictment that came down in

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twenty twenty, that's that's when Barr was acting ag it

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doesn't make a lick of sense. And this idea that

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there's some medi yine style cartel in Venezuela that's trafficking

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in cocaine, and that the catalyst for intervening in Venezuela.

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That's something It's almost like some random AI generator came

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up with that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever done that. I think this

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is the first time we've ever even used that excuse.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the president they're trying to rely on

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the precedent of operation just cause I I guarantee you

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that's why they're proceeding this way. Yeah, which is completely moronic,

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you know, and I mean, aside from everything else, you

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don't need an elaborate pretext to intervene in a failed

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state within America's immediate sphere of influence, you know. And

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there's never even a mention of the fact that you know,

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this this Camp of the Saints type invasion of you know,

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this kind of wretched lump and element that was shoved

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across our borders, which was in fact a clear and

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present threat to integral national security. Like why is that

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not being discussed? Why are we pretending that? What's also

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to what's grossly at odds of reality. If you read

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the indictment that bar confabulated, he says that Maduro is

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a terrorist because he's poisoning American health with cocaine. Now,

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cocaine's not cultivated in Venezuela. And in twenty twenty, this

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was write at about the zenith of the opioid crisis,

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where scores of thousands of Americans were dying of heroin

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over loses, and the level of the scale of production

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of Afghan heroin during the American occupation was so voluminous

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it outstripped global demand, which is utterly insane. So apparently

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there's this pivot to an interdiction and enforcement strategy with

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respect to drugs, but we're ignoring opiates. The flood of

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Afghan heroine when we were occupying the country, it was

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of no concern. But Maduro is an imaginary cocaine dealer,

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and this is a clear and present threat to American

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national security and also makes him a terrorist. That that is,

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so that is staggering in its stupidity. That's the stupidest

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thing ever heard in my wife.

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Speaker 1: It's it's total bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Uh bullshit, it's fucking stupid, child with it.

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Speaker 3: It's insulting the just let me, let me, let me

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ask you something about operation just cause was Noriega declared

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like a non state actor at that time. Because as

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I'm reading, as I'm reading and watching this, basically Maduro

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is being like, it reminds me of Nuremberg. They're saying

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that he's like a there is no legitimate government, he's

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not a legitimate government actor. He's not a legitimate uh

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head of state. So we're gonna charge him on machine uncharges.

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I mean this sounds just like like the Nuremberg playbook

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to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's exponentially more moronic with operation just caused

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the claim was uh and I think basically operated this

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cause was was was precedented is in terms of how

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America's proceeded in Latin America, whether you're talking about the

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the Vera Cruz occupation or the Pancho Villa expedition or

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a number of other things. The immediate cad list was

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the murder of Lieutenant Robert Patz, who was a Marine

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intelligence officer, and Pamamian Defense Forces just straight up murdered

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him at this checkpoint. On top of that, No Diego

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was saying that he was gonna he that he was

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gonna make the Panama Canal zone and no go zone

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for US. So orts said, that's an act of war,

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which it was. On top of that, Noriega actually was

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he himself wasn't a drug trafficker, but he was taxing

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cocaine as it came through the Panama Canal zone. And

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he was essentially refusing to participate in interdiction operations, which

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after Escobar had put an open contract out on DEA

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agents and country. That essentially meant that Noriega was collaborating

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with an enemy actor who was at war with the

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United States. There's no reason you can't indict a sitting

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ahead of state and uh Noriega is uh. The way

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Bush proceeded, I think was entirely appropriate, and the broader

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constellation of of of power political affairs, that the challenges

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that were being levied against American power by Escabar in

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his organization, which was a real cartel. The things like

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that don't exist anymore. And even if they did there

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it's it's certainly not there's not narcotics originating in Venezuela.

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That's preposterously stupid. But the way they're trying to pretend, uh, Like,

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on the one hand, supposing the Trump administration rejects this

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fiction of the rules based order, but they're refusing to

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act in a power political capacity. They're they're tacitly acknowledging

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there's not the forces in being the political will or

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the or the the uh, you know, the the ability

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to it's actually changed the situation on the ground by

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military means. But then they're also saying that this isn't

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an you know that this isn't we're not at warth Venezuela.

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This is some sort of criminal proceeding against Maduro. But

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then they but then this, but then the DJ basically

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redacted any reference to cartels because Maduro actually clicked up

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with with the very good Council. And they're absolutely shredding

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this alleged fact pattern because it doesn't make any sense. So,

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I mean, the whole thing, it's competency crisis written large

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because these people are these people are complete fucking morons.

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Like I say, they're stupid, Like doesn't even begin to

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it doesn't even begin to describe it. These people are

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staggeringly fucking stupid.

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Speaker 1: They're lying, Yeah, they're lying there lying.

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Speaker 2: It's also just unbelievably stupid. I mean, like, that's not

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stupid life, it's not if you're gonna and it's it's

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it's not necessary. And it's like, if you want to

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what I'm saying that Maduro is a terrorist, because we're

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gonna pretend it's nineteen ninety and he's hitting a cartel

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even though there's not any meaningful narcotics uh commerce emerging

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from Venezuela. Like that's I can'ticize a stupidness. Is it's

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it's totally delusional, you know, it's and that that's the

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difference that it doesn't And also Duro is basically he's

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a holdover from the start. The guys that he's a

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holdover from the child As regime and Chavas. Chav has

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actually had a lot of cloud, you know. And like

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I said on Ethan Ralph's stream last night, you know,

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Castro Cashro didn't have the kind of prestige towards the

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end of his life that he did during the Cold War, obviously,

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but Castrow himself had a lot of cloud among Latin

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American people, and uh Castro essentially, you know, gave declared

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Chavas to be his successor, you know, as as the

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primary you know, leader of the revolutionary cause and in

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Latin America, you know, so, but uh Maduro doesn't have

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that kind of momentum behind him and or credibility with

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a body politic. And I know people claim that Modua

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was some sort of strong man because he he he

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survived since twenty thirteen or something. It's like, okay, but

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Venezuela is a failed state. Like if your country becomes

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a failed state under your tenure and you managed to

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merely survive, I you know, that doesn't that that doesn't

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someone suggests that you're some major player. You know that

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you're at the helm of manipulating events and you know

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in any meaningful or just positive way, you know, And

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I ultimately, if this comes down and the reason why

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this happened, it's you know, Venezuela is a sentencey to

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the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. Basically, Venezuela needed to be bailed

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out by massive capital investments and there's a lot of

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potential in Venezuela, but it requires broad based and long

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term infrastructure projects. So essentially they threw their lot in

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with you know, the SEO and Moscow and Pey King,

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which was a wise move considering their circumstances. But obviously,

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you know that's a concern to Washington. But it's like, Okay,

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then proceed that way, you know, in terms of these

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developments representing a powerpolitical challenge within America's immediate sphere of influence,

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and if you're gonna intervene, you know, pursuing to them

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in road doctrine, you need to actually intervene. You know,

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this kind of half measure or some sort of perfunctory

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and performative gesture that's worse than doing nothing because it

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exposes you as weak. You know. So this was this

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was about the worst possible course of action. But it's

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also just staggeringly moronk. You know, like I said, like

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean what I've heard from people is well,

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we you know, now that's one less anti white you know,

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sou South American, Latin American dictator, but they're always white. Well,

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I mean, how were you going to argue? You can't

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argue with these people and they're saying this. They're saying

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this while there's fucking governors and mayors and you know,

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senators and freaking high level politicians in this country who

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are anti white. But I guess, because you can't do

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anything about them, it's okay to just go over and

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just start fucking with other names like like this always

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works out really well, right.

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with these people though, because they're they're

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they're niggers. I mean, like there are some niggers are white.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't argue with I don't argue with

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retards or with helots, and like they don't understand, like

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they are the brown people. It's like if you're something

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like well, if you're descended from the village idiot and

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you're some, you're you're some like Walmart and Mega person

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who thinks he understands who thinks he understands world affairs

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because he looks at memes like I you know, I

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mean that that's like arguing with some shitty hobo on

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the CTA. You like, why would I argue with those

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people like they they are the brown people, like it

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being like non pigment, it doesn't make you white, Like

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those people are the n words, like they are the

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brown people. They think they're opposing, Well, they're like my

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point view creamis who think that they're Nazis by ethnically

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cleansing themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my point was is like Okay, so we're suffering

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this Nuremberg regime for eighty plus years now the New

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Deal regime, and we're gonna go and basically try to

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turn a country that wasn't suffered, was basically doing everything

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they could to try to not become that, and we're

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going to turn it into it and that makes us,

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that makes our our lives better. How how My question was,

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how does this make my life better? How does this

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make it the nation? How does it make my How?

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How did my.

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Speaker 5: People's lives improve by this?

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Speaker 3: And why am I being attacked for saying this is

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fucking stupid?

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Speaker 4: Do you mind have as said something? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Still all right? I think the real problem with this

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and how it's being discussed is that it's being discussed

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as a win, right, and that's not really how it

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should be being discussed. The real reason we're having these

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disagreements with, you know, less educated people who you know,

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maybe through events or circumstances, find themselves you know, preoccupied

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with you know, trades work or things like that don't

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give them time to study these type of things is

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that it's because the administration is presenting it like a

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huge win, because it has been unable to provide any

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wins at home. The administration has been forced, really through

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the tempo of Benjamin att Yahoo, to spend all its

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time focusing on putting fires out outside of the United States.

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He's a candidate that ran on specifically anti interventionists and

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more ending and fixing all these problems at home. Since

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he's been able to do none of these things, because

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he's allowed himself to be distracted and his focus deterred

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to the needs of certain special interest groups, he is

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now presenting the administration is now presenting this as a win,

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presenting it as something that he has done for you

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and people at home, when that's not the case. This

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is just something a nation should do. You don't allow

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hostile forces to build up infrastructure, right in any of

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these countries. You just simply don't allow it. You don't allow.

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Speaker 2: The it.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah that's not but the thing about it, you

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just don't. You just don't allow it.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: The Chinese and the Chine hold on. The Chinese are

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the type of people that you know, want bad things

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to happen to America. Right, So basically this is preemptive, right,

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But removing Maduro, you're preventing the opportunity, right, or the

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ability to make Americans' lives worse, right by preventing this

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from being used as a jump off point by countries

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that hate them, Right, this is just things that you

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should do. It's part of your job. Like, Yeah, I

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saw a fucking, you know, very sketchy looking guy you know,

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that was driving around the neighborhood and in a van,

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had a bunch of like be and e utility fucking

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tools in his vehicle, was scoping out fucking people's houses.

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So I basically caught up with him and told them, like,

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if you come back here again, you're going to call

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the police. I'm going to shoot you. Right, that's not

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a win. That's just you doing your job, right, you

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protecting or you preventing people to use the lands in

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and around your nation as a jump off point to

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come fuck with you. That's just your job. It's not

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a win. Like there should be no fanfare for this.

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There should be you know, no, And literally it's all

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just fucking It's all Trump and messaging. It's them trying

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to turn what is their job, things that just should

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be done, into a win because they've been unable to

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provide it. And because they're doing this, this is going

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to turn something that should have just been forgettable, like, oh,

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the Pentagon did this today. Oh that's good. Right, Oh

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they stopped a bunch of you know, Iranian fucking guys

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or whatever from coming across the southern border. Oh that's good,

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and you just scroll right past it. But because they

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are turning it into this type of big win, this

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big achievement, it is going to boomerang and blow up

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in their face. Right, you are making it this big thing,

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and the incompetence that Thomas was talking about now has

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an opportunity to fucking detonate in your lap like a bomb.

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And you brought this all upon yourself, Like this should

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have been done with zero fanfare. This should just be

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what the fucking president does, right, the same as if

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it was any other country, like if Canada.

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Speaker 1: For him to get on a news conference on Air

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Force one with Lindsay Graham is just about the worst

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fucking thing he could have done, Like, why are you

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operating all the most hate people out? Go ahead, Jay?

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Speaker 4: If we just did this though, hold on and he

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didn't say anything and we just found out about it

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was just scroll through, Like would we be having this

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discussion at all?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I get mad when I see Lindsay Graham and

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Trump on Air Force One talking about next We're going

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to do Iran, Like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that we're right to bring up the

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chaos at home because the Trump administration is on a

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series of els. Obviously, the immigration stuff is playing well

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to their base, but in a lot of other areas

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there's a lot of demoralization going on. The magabase is

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in the process of splintering. Some of that is over

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Israel Palestine, some is over other issues. But I think

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a large part of the reason that this was branded

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in such a dumb way, that this was branded as

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you know, fighting drugs, I think effectively that was for

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domestic concerns. This was something they wanted to do. There

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were reasons to do it, and for whatever reason, Trump

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is unwilling and or unable right not mutually exclusive to

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commit troops to the ground's apparently from what I'm reading,

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extremely reticent to do that, and so a situation like

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this where to be honest, from my reading, either Maduro

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was betrayed from the inside or this was a negotiated

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situation because look like sure there was some bombing, but

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flying you know, several dozen of your most valuable soldiers

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into a nation's capital with active air defenses is stupid.

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I don't believe that's what happened. And so I think, honestly,

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that's a large part of it, Like how do we

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sell this to the large magabase, Like I don't know, drugs,

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it's the cartels. We're fighting the cartels like we said

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we would. You know, we're stopping the flow of fentanyl,

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that thing that we keep mentioning. And so I think

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that's probably why this is stupid and it doesn't make

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sense because it's stupid and it doesn't make sense. And

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to Thomas's point about a crisis of legitimacy, this is

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something we're seeing across the board that this administration is floundering,

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unable to make good on their promises. And yeah, look like,

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is there a way to accomplish this goal of getting

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Maduro out of power that you know, accomplishes something that

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needs to be done, doesn't create a crisis of legitimacy. Sure,

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but that would require competent people at the helm and

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it's clear that this administration is not competent in that way.

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Speaker 2: What alseo. So I'm going to keep in mind too

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there's absolutely no possibility of some operation like just Cause

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being realized on the ground of Venezuela. That would take

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a commitment of tens of thousands of combat troops on

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the ground in Venezuela. There aren't hotels. That that's a

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fiction of It's something in the fevered imaginings of of

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the prominent justice lawyers and make work Pentagon types. But

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you know, farc is very active still on the Colombian

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Venezuelan frontier. There's all manner of armed groupings and constellations

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of non state actors and what amounts to a giant

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bandit country. You're you're not gonna occupy Venezuela and change

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the political culture on the ground unless you're talking about

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a massive commitment of forces and some very serious attrition. Okay,

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you're talking about real war, and then you're talking about

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hostile occupation while infrastructure is built up and protected, you know,

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and Venezuela becomes a functioning country again and moving forward,

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you know, turned into a client state. Like don't get

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me wrong, that's not impossible. But this America can't do

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that kind of thing anymore, you know, and it hasn't

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been able to do for decades in my opinion, So

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anybody talking that way is just talking shit. Just like

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when shemails like Lindsey Graham like lists of about how

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they're gonna take down Iran, it's like your delusion. Like

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the rest of the world laughs at you when you

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act that way because it's a joke.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me just add something real quick to

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what you're saying. This is an excellent point. What we're

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doing right now does nothing at all to the paramilitaries

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in the southwest of the country. What Thomas is talking

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about that they're called the ex Fark Mafia. The FARC

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officially disbanded in twenty seventeen, but there's also the eln

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down there. There's like six thousand of them. They're heavily

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armed with like real military weaponry. They stage real military

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raids on each other's bases, and the military, the Colombian

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military camp buck with them. What we're doing in Venezuela

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right now, which by the way, that's where all the

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problem is coming from, is those guys. They traffic the

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cocaine through Ecuador and up the Pacific. What we're doing

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now does nothing to address them. They will be completely

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untouched as of right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean the what's also too I you know,

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if I think that there was a soft part, there

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was a soft power way to prevent this situation from

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developing where Venezuela is a failed state and PIY king

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in Moscow were kind of picking at the bones and

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transforming it into a client regime, you know, of the SCO.

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I you know, but America doesn't have any ability to

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manipulated outcomes through soft power incentives. And I mean you

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actually need a foreign policy establishment to do that, and

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you also need you know, you need On the one hand,

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uh Elon Musk has done some good things, particularly on

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the tech side, but the guys are political illiterate, and

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you need you need people to control capital at massive

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scale who actually are politically sophisticated. You know, if you

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want to if you want to endure the superpower, there's

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got to be a kind of integration of power, you know, political, military,

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big business. These things have to kind of work in concerts,

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and there's got to be something of a shared vision,

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and there's got to be an understanding of what common

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interests entail and then everybody profits. And that's how America

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won the Cold War, Okay, moving forward, Uh, you can't

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accomplish those kinds of things with this uh you know,

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kind of scattershot approach that's totally incoherent, that's also colored

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by irrational ethno sectarian interests, you know that supersede all else.

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And then you know this, Uh, these kinds of half

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measures that uh are you know, are are are presented

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for temestic consumption as being driven by totally obsolescent policy paradigms.

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But you know, people in the control element uh actually

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believe that that's the rais on Detroit. You know that

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this is Uh, I forgive me if you're continuing to

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coming back to this example, but this this is Soviet

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like Okay, it's it's it's it's sanility, you know, and

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there's not you know, like I said, And you don't

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need to be some sort of you know, uh general

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or or some sort of brilliant it gieostrategic analyst to

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understand that half measures are worse than doing nothing in

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power political terms. You know that's uh, that's Metterniche, Macchiavelli, Bismarck.

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You know, the Cliff Snowes version. If you take nothing

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else away from the uh, the precedent there in. I mean,

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that's what's clear, you know, and I I think that's

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really at the core of it is, UH, these things

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what's the same thing too. I mean, like Trump's been

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He's proven himself totally unable to impact uh the Ukraine,

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UH that the crusade against the Russian Federation. And this

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man is the president of the United States and he

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he he mumbles his way through these uh prepared statements

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every time there's some summit supposedly with you know, the UH,

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the Ukrainians, or some sort of conversation with Putin, but

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he has absolutely no ability to force an outcome. You know,

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like that's pathetic, and the rest of the world sees that,

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and that's one of the reason why America has no credibility,

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you know, and this UH and people taking things at

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face value. You know, if this kind of bizarre pretend

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indictment of Maduro and Lieu of actually altering conditions on

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the ground that that just looks senile to the rest

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of the world, that that's not some intimidating flex it's

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just bizarre. You know.

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Speaker 3: But but but, but but the Monroe doctrine, David, you

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heard of the Monroe Doc Trins Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it should if you're gonna enforce it, it should

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actually be enforced, is my point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's this. This isn't the Monroe doctrine.

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's why. That's also why I don't I

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there's this, this precedes Trump and it's like a miracleill

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pursue a course of abject lawlessness, but then they'll invoke

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the sort of cobbled together nonsensical rationales that seem to

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be devised to represent some sort of legalistic cover. But

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they they don't even comply with that paradigm logically.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and it's it's nonsensical, you know. And well

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it's also too I I mean, we were particularly hit

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hard here in Chicago by this uh invasion from Venezuela

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of lump and criminal elements. I'm not exaggerating. There's a

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bunch of latary h males with tattoos on their faces

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and criminal records, many of whom are obviously mentally ill,

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who flooded our country. Like that's cool, but imaginary cocaine

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dealing is a big problem. I mean, like this is

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that's that's uncomfortable, that this was not addressed, you know,

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other than in you know, people were acting like including Bondie,

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including from himself, like this is some sort of accidental

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state of affairs or just like an oversight in terms

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of you know, enforcement or negligence you know of of

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the Biden administration. Like look, this was the Mariial boat

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lift two point zero. It was very deliberate, you know,

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very much at camp of the same kind of situation,

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and this had real world consequences that continue to be

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felt At Trompen any balls, he would have said, this

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is unacceptable. And any state that utilizes you know, migration

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as a as A as a detonation strategy is going

471
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,799
to be treated as a as a as a hostile actor,

472
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,400
you know, and we're gonna respond with military means and

473
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:18,839
necessary antion to repatriating every single person who you know

474
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:25,480
is is so uh identified as constituting part of that element.

475
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: You know.

476
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: But but there's been like narry a word about that,

477
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,119
like apparently that's okay. Just like you know, I feel

478
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:40,759
very strong about this, admittedly for personal reasons, but thousands

479
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,319
upon thousands of people have died, people in the prime

480
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:49,599
of their lives from heroin that was cultivated in Afghanistan

481
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,839
and subsequently fentanel, a lot of which originates in China. Frankly,

482
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,440
there's there's never a word about this. Nobody cares or

483
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,359
people say that it's good because they hate junkies. Yet

484
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,920
we're supposed to pretend to be outraged about Madureau's imaginary

485
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:10,159
cocaine like that that's offensive. You know, there's been Vietnam

486
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,079
level attrition of an entire generation of young people owing

487
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:20,800
to the opioid crisis, and people pretending that they care about,

488
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,480
you know, America's health being poisoned by cocaine, by Madurea

489
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,000
the terrorists. That that's that's grossly offensive.

490
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,559
Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone buys it, even the people

491
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,559
who parrot it, they're just parroting it. They don't. No

492
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:40,119
one buys it. And it's just that hurts his credibility.

493
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. That that's why it's worse than

494
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,639
doing nothing. Yes, I know that Trump had this. There

495
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,280
was this bizarre press conference I guess forty towards May

496
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,840
days ago now where he was just kind of like

497
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,760
mumbling his way through, like dude, you know, it's going

498
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,320
to take a load of money, and you know, to

499
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,639
bring Venezuela big and fix it. It's like, okay, well

500
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:04,480
what does that entail?

501
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 5: I mean?

502
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I mean and again, is there is there

503
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,079
gonna be an occupation of Venezuela that would take probably

504
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:14,880
two hundred thousand men, you know, with a real comic capability.

505
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,039
Like what firms are gonna undertake this infrastructural development? Like

506
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:21,840
where's his money coming from? Is the taxpayer is gonna

507
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,119
cover it? If it's not being from the private sector.

508
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,400
Is there gonna be some sort of dedicated administration? Is

509
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Congress going to approve that?

510
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 5: Like what?

511
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,639
Speaker 2: You can't just say things, you know, like I know,

512
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:37,159
like what's what's uh?

513
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:37,679
Speaker 5: You know?

514
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: And it never power political affairs never come down to

515
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,599
the decisions of one single man or or or individual actors.

516
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,559
But I mean, in macduall's case, the guy was something

517
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,880
of a cipher. I maintain that, you know, what is

518
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:59,880
uh is swapping out mcduroll even for a even for

519
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:09,039
a h a sort of client successor who's very much

520
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,559
you know, in the pocket of the administration. I mean

521
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,440
that that in of itself, that doesn't that doesn't do anything.

522
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,079
You know, you're you're if there's gonna be something to

523
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:21,679
Marshall Plan for Venezuela.

524
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 4: There.

525
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:24,599
Speaker 2: You know, there's there's gotta be.

526
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 5: There.

527
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,519
Speaker 2: There's gotta be a a real program to realize that.

528
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,280
And I have no reason to believe that there's anything

529
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
like that. I don't even think it's been discussed. I

530
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:39,760
know it hasn't because other were hearing about it.

531
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:43,519
Speaker 3: Well, if you hear one, if you hear one pundent

532
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:45,920
saying it was about the drugs, if you hear another

533
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400
one saying it was about the oil, if you hear

534
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,719
another one saying it was about you know that Madurea

535
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,079
was a commie poopy head. You know that it wasn't

536
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,880
about the Marshall plan, because it's if it was about

537
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000
the Marshall Plan, that's what we would be talking about.

538
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,639
Uh yeah, and it would be you know, I would

539
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,559
respect this so much more if he just got up

540
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,639
there and said the regime is a danger to the

541
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:14,440
American uh, to Americans, and we needed to change it.

542
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,280
And we're going to get somebody in there who is

543
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,519
friendly and is not going to send is not going

544
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:24,880
to facilitate drugs coming here, is not going to send

545
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,719
invade our borders by sending military age men here but

546
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,719
that's not what we hear. We hear, Oh, he's anti

547
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,800
he's anti white, He's you know, I mean all this

548
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,280
stuff that doesn't I don't, don't, don't give a fuck.

549
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,880
I mean there's literally anti white people in my fucking county.

550
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, what the fuck?

551
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: Well? Also yeah, I mean it. Uh. Well, also like

552
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,639
these these like these FAGA types who claim to be

553
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,119
like all fixated on like what's anti white. They're they're

554
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,239
like they're made themselves like aren't white. So I don't,

555
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,840
I don't know, I don't know what they're talking about. You're,

556
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,440
like I said, there they're heals. Well, Walmart people aren't white.

557
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,039
But that's a sort of a different question. But no,

558
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:13,719
it's uh there's a naked irrationality to it. Plus two,

559
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,239
you're just you're just not gonna hear about this again.

560
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,119
There's gonna be because Maduro actually does have real counsel,

561
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:21,960
He's probably gonna beat some of the I mean, they're

562
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:28,760
they're gonna trim the indictment and if whatever remaining competent

563
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:37,599
assistant assistant district attorneys are still at d o J,

564
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,559
assuming it comes across, assuming the indictment comes across their desk. Proverbially,

565
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:47,440
they're gonna clean it up and make it appear more rational,

566
00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:50,719
and uh, you know, obviously there's no way they're going

567
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,320
to allow Maduro to be acquitted, but you know you're

568
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,719
gonna so in a couple of years, like you know,

569
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,679
he'll be in the news cycle again because of his

570
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,239
show trial. But it was it was like, not hear

571
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,920
about Venezuela again. You know, it'll be like Trump's pretend

572
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,639
war against Iran where uh these uh obsolescent uh strategic bombers,

573
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:16,199
uh the dumped conventional payloads on some like empty parking

574
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,199
lot in Iran and then Trump went on TV and

575
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,960
mumbled about how he killed the final boss of the

576
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,880
imaginary Iranian nuclear program and then only just like never

577
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,320
heard about it again. You know, it's also called kafa

578
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,840
ee and like pretend garbage.

579
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,559
Speaker 6: So what do you guys make of a line that

580
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:36,119
I'm hearing from kind of the neo con right, which

581
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:39,960
is basically saying, you know, you, you woke right idiots

582
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,800
predicted that you know this, our involvement in Venezuela would

583
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,199
turn into a quagmire. You predicted that our involvement in

584
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,880
Iran would turn into a quagmire, and don't you feel

585
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,960
stupid now because we were able to do it in

586
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,320
just you know, one raid. Obviously that's not a criticism

587
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,079
made in good faith, But what do you make of

588
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:02,599
that line of reasoning.

589
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Because it's just it's more, it's more late Soviet you know, propaganda,

590
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:14,840
Trump's reality. You know, memes are you know, superseded, you know,

591
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:25,039
substantive analysis, you know. I mean, I if if the metric,

592
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,360
I mean, what are the parameters here? It's yeah, okay,

593
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,440
I mean if the metric is America wins, because if

594
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:37,679
you know, basically insignificant chief executive of a failed state

595
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,639
is hailed into court for a for a show trial.

596
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,800
I mean, if that's your objective, I okay, I mean

597
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:51,280
that that that's that's a pointless objective, you know, the

598
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,360
ability to alter outcomes on the ground. I just laid

599
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,480
out what it would take in order to purge PRC

600
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,199
and and Russian in fluence in Venezuela, and in loose terms,

601
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,760
I describe what it would take to build up Venezuela

602
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,000
and infrastructure to the point where these sort of hostile

603
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:17,360
and revolutionary elements wouldn't really have an avenue of ingress

604
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,000
into the quarters of power. Okay, there's there's not some

605
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:28,360
countervealing prospect for how that would be realized that I'm

606
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,199
talking about reality, like declaring that if you drop bombs

607
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:39,639
on on sand or if you negotiate the capture of

608
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:43,639
you know, an irrelevant cipher who was you know, sitting

609
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:50,480
in the in the presidential palace. Okay, I mean again,

610
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:51,800
that's a meaningless objective.

611
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: To Jay's point, My my stance on this is that

612
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,719
the people who are screaming the sky is falling, we're

613
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,679
gonna invade Iran, We're gonna invade Venezuela, We're gonna get

614
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,280
bogged down in a quagmire. I simply think they're just

615
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,119
as dishonest as the neocons, just in the other direction. Yeah,

616
00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:10,719
thank you, And.

617
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,039
Speaker 3: I mean you don't have to say that you're gonna

618
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:18,079
get bogged down in a quagmire. Started bombing Somali in

619
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,400
what ninety eight, ninety nine to two thousand, and now

620
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,360
there's a Samal and now there's Somali's like all over.

621
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,079
The fucking United States invaded Afghanistan and didn't get out

622
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,880
into and you know, didn't get bin Laden because he

623
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,880
escaped to Pakistan decided to stay there. Now Afghani's are killing,

624
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,519
murdering people, people that we brought over, I mean people

625
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:41,039
who helped us there are killing Americans in the fucking street.

626
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 5: Look, yeah, look, I mean sorry that.

627
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: I understand that history sometimes takes two decades to happen,

628
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:53,079
but is this going to I mean, El Salvador is

629
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,880
now the safest place in the Western Hemisphere. Do you

630
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,440
know how many people who emigrated from El Salvador in

631
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000
the last fifteen years have gone back to All Salvador

632
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,800
point zero point zero five percent. You think, do you

633
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,960
think these Venezuelans are going back? You're out of your

634
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,480
fucking minds. You fucking people are retarded. That's another retarded,

635
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:14,880
fucking argument.

636
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,679
Speaker 5: I hear. No.

637
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 3: Whenever, it seems like since the nineteen seventies, when Jewish

638
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:29,239
influence has just, i mean absolutely swarmed the United States government,

639
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,760
whenever we go somewhere, whenever we do something somewhere, those

640
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,280
people end up here. You bomb, we're here, you bomb

641
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,800
someplace to.

642
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 5: End up here. Or look at Europe.

643
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: Europe just gets fucking flooded just because you know, I

644
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,760
mean Ireland. Ireland was neutral in the Second World War. Oh,

645
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440
so they need to be punished. So you're going to

646
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:54,440
send every retard, retarded prisoner from the Middle East, you know,

647
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,880
in Africa to them.

648
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,559
Speaker 5: This is where are you fucking look?

649
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know we're not libertarians on here, at least

650
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,719
I'm not anymore. But Ron Paul said in two thousand

651
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,239
and eight, he ran on the platform of bring the

652
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,000
fucking troops home and put him on the border.

653
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,119
Speaker 5: Let's protect the homeland.

654
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,599
Speaker 3: If you go searching for you, if you go bombing places,

655
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:21,960
those fucking people end up here. And if and if

656
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,559
this was really about drugs, you'd be invading Mexico and

657
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,880
going to war with the you know, and making sure

658
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,159
that Mexican because that's right on our border.

659
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,679
Speaker 5: Well again, but no, they're like, oh, but they're casualties.

660
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,119
But we'll take casualties.

661
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: Okay, at least there's a fucking at least there's a

662
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,119
better there's a better reason to go to to invade Mexico.

663
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,559
Speaker 2: So if Americans, Americans think it's funny, if if if

664
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,079
drog adics die, like if you're a drawing at, Americans

665
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,800
hate you, Like, don't believe for a second that Americans

666
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,719
care about drugs.

667
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 5: You're you're You're.

668
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Americans are more contempt for for people and as addicts

669
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,719
than almost anybody. You're an approved hate target like that.

670
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,079
Speaker 4: Let's just clarify that none of this is inherent in

671
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:13,239
the American character itself. Right, These are not like things

672
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:18,079
Americans believe. These are things that a particular group of

673
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:23,360
people have basically forced Americans to be bathed in twenty

674
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,760
four to seven in a vile type of cultural propaganda. Right.

675
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,760
This is none of the things that Thomas is saying,

676
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,559
none of the things that I'm saying, none of the

677
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:35,559
things that Pete is saying about these people. Right. Why

678
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:41,960
do Walmart people exist because they've been forced into basically

679
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,280
an inch above being homeless, forced to live in an

680
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:52,280
attenuated existence on the verge of homelessness and penury. Right,

681
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,840
a type of serfdom that is more cruel, more unusual,

682
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,599
and on much harsher terms than any peasant in the

683
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:08,199
Middle Ages, Right, any surf in Tsarist Russia. So there's

684
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,480
no personal fault of these people. These people have been

685
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:18,199
bathed in frankly Jewish propaganda. It's very easy to hate

686
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,199
the drug addicts because then nobody has to worry about

687
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:25,639
cleaning them up. That might get you hitler. A lot

688
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:27,280
of the solutions to a lot of the problems that

689
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:36,400
Americans have find themselves very cold too. If you were

690
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,199
to let their own you know, morals guide them to

691
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,119
solutions around these problems, or whether they found them morally offensive,

692
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:48,239
well that might get you hitler. So it's much easier

693
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:54,320
and much safer to make them this indifferent and then

694
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,760
make them you know, basically view these smashing of you know,

695
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:09,039
other nations for their either lack of support to varying

696
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:13,599
degrees of the Zionis entity. Will give them that as entertainment.

697
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,360
And that's how so many of them are treated because

698
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,000
none of the people in the entire government apparatus that

699
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,800
claim to represent them and care about them actually do,

700
00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:29,760
so they have to live vicariously. None of their leaders,

701
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,280
including the current one, actually gives a fuck about improving

702
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:41,400
any of their lives, so they have to substitute basically

703
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:49,960
watching you know, foreign policy machinations play out, and like

704
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:54,599
a battered kid that's being told like, oh, you're you know,

705
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:58,880
I'm doing this for you. It sounds stupid, and we

706
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:03,519
make fun of them, but that's that's all they got.

707
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, no alternative about the manufactured opinions about

708
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,159
drugs and drug addicts applies to the refugees quote unquote

709
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,400
refugees in Europe as well. It's the same, it's the

710
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,400
same fucking scenario.

711
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,519
Speaker 4: Yep, it's the same thing. Like you think, are do

712
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,400
you think our women all of a sudden just thought

713
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,079
it's a good idea to fucking kill their own children, right,

714
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,199
or genetically mutilate or uh, what's you called it? Generally

715
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:36,280
mutilate them? I think they came up with that idea themselves. No,

716
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,760
like people are not. Most people are not cut out

717
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,800
for this type of shit, nor should they. A person

718
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,239
should be able to go about their life right, and

719
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,719
go about the task at which God assigned them and

720
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,079
made them best able to execute. Right. The fucking painter

721
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:55,280
should be allowed to be a painter. The fucking builder

722
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,679
should be allowed to be a builder as God intended.

723
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:01,199
It's not. These people shouldn't have to care about this shit.

724
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,719
They shouldn't have to sort through any of the stuff.

725
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:10,679
Like their cultural apparatus should just exist to basically reflect

726
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,800
back their culture and their ideas. They shouldn't have to

727
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:18,639
defend themselves from people a culture that's literally trying to

728
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:19,760
get them to kill themselves.

729
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,679
Speaker 2: People need certainties, they don't need problems. That's you know

730
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,000
that that that's the whole dozzle point of the trial

731
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,559
of Socrates, and I Surrell Socrates actually deserve to be executed.

732
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,119
But I agree at the same time, there is ah

733
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,639
it does not speak well of Americans that like Lindsey

734
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:39,880
Grahant can be seen in public like without getting his

735
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,760
face based in Like there's something wrong with Americans that

736
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,599
like they tolerate some humans like this having the ability

737
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:52,599
to manipulate policy, you know, I mean it doesn't Uh.

738
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,039
Speaker 4: I don't understand how he gets elected. He has less

739
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:57,599
than ten percent support in the well, I mean he

740
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:03,519
runs America in elections in America, you know that's my point.

741
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he you know, the this uh, there's you know,

742
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:12,679
the man. The man should be in fear of his

743
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,239
life every minute of the day, and like in a

744
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,599
normal society, yep, he would be. So it doesn't speak

745
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:20,639
all of Americans that these people are allowed to just

746
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:25,440
kind of go on their merry way, you know, without uh,

747
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:26,880
without getting dealt with.

748
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: And to Thomas's point, I think the biggest problem that

749
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,159
a lot of right wingers have to kind of understanding

750
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,480
things the way that we do. The biggest barriers they

751
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,400
think that bio Leninism is something that only exists on

752
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,119
the left, right, that the mechanism only exists on the left.

753
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:52,920
We have our own bio Leninism, same mechanism, just different ideology. Right,

754
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,639
you could call it zio Leninism. This is exactly why

755
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,760
we can't fucking put a court case together that doesn't

756
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,679
sound sound like a fucking the punchline to a joke,

757
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:10,119
or why we can't have a coherent policy that also

758
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:13,719
doesn't sound like the punchline of a joke. These people

759
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:20,280
are ineffectual, not by like happenstance. The metastatization of this

760
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:25,320
ideology and the people behind it through the systems of government,

761
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,280
like it has physically degraded the human capital in there

762
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:37,239
because we have been forcing ideological adherents to trump competence

763
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,880
in our personnel selection. And this feedback mechanism goes on

764
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,440
and on and on and on, so we can make

765
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,679
fun of all the purple haired freaks all we want.

766
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,679
We're no better.

767
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think generally at maintain conservatives are my main ops.

768
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:02,000
I mean that made that point again and again. Ye,

769
00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:07,559
and uh that's one of the reasons why I, you know,

770
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,119
increasingly it's it's less of an issue. But I used to.

771
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,760
I used to get approached by people a lot would

772
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,320
say they wanted to collab with me on stuff, and

773
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,079
then I realized, these people have never like read my content.

774
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,280
And then they get mad at me because I'm not.

775
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:26,880
I mean, I don't know what you can think just

776
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,360
by like looking at me. It's like, how can you

777
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,440
think I'm like some fucking Republican.

778
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I think you look in a

779
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,000
polo shirt.

780
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,079
Speaker 2: I don't it, uh, you know I And then they

781
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,840
get like all upfronted and like deepen their feelings because

782
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,639
it's like, I don't hold those values. I don't think

783
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:50,320
that way, you know. And uh, I I think that's

784
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,000
a lot more caustic. I mean, despite what you see

785
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,960
in in legacy media and stuff, and despite what people

786
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,280
on the internet say, like, no, nobody actually likes liberals

787
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:08,519
like they're they're they're they're gross and they're cringe and

788
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:12,519
you know, nobody wants to be associated with that. Nobody

789
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:18,719
looks highly upon that kind of thing. It's, uh, you know,

790
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,960
something people experience a kind of natural revulsion around, you know,

791
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,280
in contrast, uh, this kind of bougie conservatism, whether it's

792
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,719
people are actually committed to the these perverse values or

793
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,440
if it's just kind of go along to get along

794
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:41,920
sort of tolerance for that sort of thing, that that's very,

795
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:47,119
very corrosive, and that's a that's a real obstacle to

796
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:56,519
corrective measures and uh socially hygienic solutions. You know, So

797
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:03,480
if you don't people who can't make that sort of

798
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:08,559
leaped understanding that conservatism is your enemy. Most of I

799
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:11,719
had issues with Alex Linder, not personal wise. We just

800
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,639
disagreed on a lot of stuff, and he, you know,

801
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:22,760
we he periodically say some kind of unflattering things about me,

802
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,440
But one thing he was right about was that, uh,

803
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,400
you know, conservatives are your enemy. And he'd drive that

804
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,199
point home again and again. He said, if you can't,

805
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,239
if you can't make that connection, you're not you're not

806
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,400
you're not in the game. You know, you're just you're

807
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,840
just some you're just some regime loyalists who who doesn't

808
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,119
like immigrants or something, or you know, you don't there's

809
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,440
you're mad because uh, you know, you sent your kid

810
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,599
to public school and they they got filled up with

811
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:03,559
bad ideas or something. You know. Yeah, so I mean

812
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:08,880
that's why. But I'm also you know, it's like I told

813
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,239
the guys in Portland when when that the Portland Weavers

814
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,159
asked me to sit on their panel at their event.

815
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,400
You know, I'm like, look, I'm an outlaw and I'm

816
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,639
totally okay with that. And if you're not, if you

817
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,280
identify with this regime, if you think that you've just

818
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,239
got to convince fifty one percent of people that you know,

819
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,599
we need lower taxes and West Mexicans, you're not part

820
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:35,840
of this, you know, or I mean, I don't know

821
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,280
what you're part of, but it's nothing that I fuck with,

822
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:39,760
you know.

823
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,599
Speaker 4: So what are you offering in replacement?

824
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:43,559
Speaker 5: Right? Like?

825
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,599
Speaker 4: Do you do you agree with these ideas of that

826
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,719
you currently exist and you just want them execute it

827
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,360
a little better, a little nicer, a little cleaner, or

828
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:58,480
and then completely occidentally a jac like are you just

829
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,480
you know, we're if that's what you think, then you

830
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:09,960
haven't taken anything from these fears thing. Yeah, well, when

831
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,920
it's also it's.

832
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,039
Speaker 2: You know, Hitler made the point that, uh, you know,

833
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:21,679
the conservatives in his day, they they they cower behind

834
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,559
the National Socialists, you know when when when race war

835
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,960
was in the running, or when they needed someone to

836
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,960
protect them from the Communists in the Berlin and the

837
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:35,480
Munich street. But then as soon as things stabilized, you know,

838
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:39,119
they were the first ones to to to say that

839
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:42,280
the guns the regime should be turned on us, you know.

840
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,199
And I you see the conservatives too, like they act

841
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,280
like during like the Summer of Floyd and stuff, like

842
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,000
all these dudes like so like Joe, all these like

843
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,880
Joe conservative guys suddenly like decided like they wanted to

844
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,119
pretend to be my friend or something like. These are

845
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,360
the same guys who like would like never be seen

846
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,880
in public with me and like call me a junkie

847
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,039
and a piece of shit and stuff. But then like

848
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:09,400
when they get scared, like suddenly like they they they

849
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,880
want to put on errors or something.

850
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 4: They want to click up.

851
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,639
Speaker 2: They're like Peter Brimlow, like what I mean, Burden see Brimlow,

852
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:19,480
He's always like really cool to us, and you like

853
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,000
you like set next to us at the Virginia event

854
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,920
because you know he's not a he's not he's not

855
00:57:28,199 --> 00:57:31,039
he doesn't ask some kind of way about like being

856
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,159
seen talking to me or something. I'm not really sensitive.

857
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:36,320
I'm not like here to be like or make friends

858
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,159
or something. But I do like resent it that there'll

859
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,960
be all these guys who they'll like plagiarize my ship

860
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:44,679
or like, look they're my friend, and then just talk

861
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,440
shit about me, you know, and that it's evidence of

862
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:49,440
what I'm talking about.

863
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: Conservatives are there to siphon off and draft off your

864
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,159
energy because they can't reproduce it.

865
00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's that they also just, uh, they want somebody

866
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,280
to power behind when they're afraid, you know, and then

867
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,320
when things normalize, like they don't they you know, they

868
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,239
may be the first ones to say that, you know,

869
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,960
people like me should be locked in prison.

870
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 4: Yep. And they're forced to make promises. They're forced to

871
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,400
make promises and constantly over promise and under deliver, right,

872
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,039
because they're not their promises. We're the only people that

873
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,760
have that whatever you want to call it, that it factor, right,

874
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:33,039
We're the only people with ideas that really that are

875
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:36,679
compelling and move people. So they have to kind of

876
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:40,920
ape them because it's the only way to gain any

877
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:47,039
type of real energy. But it dissipates quickly because they're

878
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:50,519
not their ideas, they're not their promises. But all that

879
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,880
they've done is really like it's just like the the

880
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,960
Department of Homely Insecurity Twitter account posting you know a

881
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:01,440
nation of one hundred meals is like okay, cool, Like

882
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:05,159
you can you can steal our images, you can steal

883
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,760
our memes and our ideas, but you're not going to

884
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,800
deliver on them. You physically can't deliver on them. So

885
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:20,840
all you're doing is over promising. You're selling somebody else's promises.

886
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,440
They're not yours. So what is that going to do

887
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:26,880
long term?

888
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 5: Right?

889
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 4: It's like a I said once, it's like it's a

890
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,119
deceitful death sentence, right, it doesn't. It doesn't seem like

891
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:39,880
you're killing yourself, but you are when you try and

892
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:45,920
steal our ideas and make our promises your promises. But

893
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,599
then all you really actually want to do is preserve

894
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:51,760
the regime a little bit longer, just with you in

895
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:52,599
charge of it.

896
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:56,719
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of these people also, they're

897
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:02,960
not they're notable of understanding the historical situation. I agree

898
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,039
with that, and so I mean, just in categorical terms,

899
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:11,639
anybody who's talking about anybody's talking about twentieth century style

900
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:14,360
of government as if it's still relevant or this perennial

901
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:22,519
thing there. They don't know what they're talking about. And

902
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:26,679
people can tell me that that's abstract, but it's really not,

903
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:34,239
because especially these days, only get technology and and things

904
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:42,639
and odd aspects of the way certain domain's human activity

905
01:00:42,679 --> 01:00:48,400
has been expedited. And uh, the thing, you know, the

906
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,880
like it's like history really has sped up that it's

907
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,880
not for just perception and it's not just something that

908
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,320
global systems theory types or like you know, amnul Veallerstein

909
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,760
types say so, I mean they were and even know

910
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,480
where that not the case. I mean, you've got to

911
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:08,440
you've got a tailor practice to what's underway historically, regardless

912
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,039
of if you know you'll live to see it come

913
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:15,519
to fruition within your individual lifetime or not. But I

914
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:23,760
you know, I I uh realized when I first kind

915
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,360
of rejoined the world about six years ago, now that

916
01:01:27,519 --> 01:01:30,679
you'll overwhelming the majority of people who identify as right

917
01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:34,280
wing they don't understand historical situation. So I'm just not

918
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:40,480
gonna connect with them in like ontological ways, you know,

919
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,599
because they've got these conceptual biases that can't be overcome,

920
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,639
so they don't understand what the fuck I'm talking about,

921
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,719
you know, which is fine. I'm not saying everyone needs

922
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,480
to agree with me or something. But if people who

923
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:59,679
are proceeding according to totally totally uh you know, irrelevant

924
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,480
EPISO like priors, I mean, what what are these what's

925
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,280
going to come to fruition by associating with these people?

926
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,079
I mean nothing?

927
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:07,639
Speaker 4: You know.

928
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,599
Speaker 2: Plus, it's got to be proactive. You know the reason

929
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,440
I'm always driving home social capital. You've got to organize

930
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,320
your life around these principles. It's not something like passive

931
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,920
thing where you're like, oh, yeah, I agree with that,

932
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:26,880
or you know, I I I I refuse to participate

933
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,039
in X, Y and z is it's harmful. No, You've

934
01:02:29,039 --> 01:02:31,440
got to actually be proactive. You've got to secede from

935
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,039
regime shit in the way you live your life. And

936
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:37,679
people aren't willing to do that. Well, they're not, They're

937
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:38,280
not with us.

938
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,159
Speaker 6: There's things, several things I want to talk about with

939
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:50,280
regards to this story. You've you've seen a lot of

940
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:56,159
uh kind of consternation at the chest beating coming from

941
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,960
the American Magnet movement people, you know, rightfully bringing receipt

942
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:02,480
if like, oh, you know you were all anti war

943
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:05,679
two years ago with Ukraine. You know you were anti

944
01:03:05,719 --> 01:03:09,159
war before, but now you're you're feeling great about it.

945
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,239
And I think as well, there's an element to the

946
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:20,199
fact that even if this doesn't play with us and

947
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,360
doesn't play on the international stage, I think it is

948
01:03:23,519 --> 01:03:27,960
actually playing well for like the maga voter type. Like

949
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,719
I'm in these circles. I follow a lot of them

950
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,760
on social media just to kind of see what they're

951
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,880
up to, and it is a lot of extremely self

952
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:42,199
congratulatory material. And there's an interesting, an interesting idea I

953
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,199
keep seeing reoccur, which is basically that like, oh, that

954
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,960
was easy, let's do it again, Like we could do

955
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,320
that to all these other countries. You know, you have

956
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,239
Lindsay Graham talking about Cuba, obviously, the stuff about Iran,

957
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,280
and again I'm not trying to put out some sort

958
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,639
of tinfoil thing here, but to me, it seems as

959
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:06,599
if this was a very deliberately coordinated event from a

960
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:10,599
media perspective, not to say that it's fake or it

961
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,199
didn't happen, but to say that the optics of this

962
01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:17,559
are clearly being stage managed and so, for instance, Thomas,

963
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,880
you mentioned earlier the fact that these charges are kind

964
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,199
of falling apart. To be honest, I don't think that

965
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:26,000
matters like I mean it does in a courtroom sense.

966
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:30,760
But I think the immediate political expediency of getting a win,

967
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,920
of making this part of the narrative, making it part

968
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,639
of you know, promises made, promises kept, that kind of

969
01:04:37,639 --> 01:04:41,360
phrase you'll hear over and over again, but also getting

970
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:46,000
the MAGA movement more comfortable with war because a large

971
01:04:46,039 --> 01:04:48,800
portion of that movement was anti war, and that's one

972
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,719
of the many splinters we've seen in that base since

973
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:58,159
Operation Midnight Hammer. You know, the strikes in Yemen and others, right,

974
01:04:58,679 --> 01:05:01,920
But I wonder, well, if there's an element of you

975
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,599
know what I mean, look like there's a very real

976
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:06,360
possibility that there was no need to even send Delta

977
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,480
force in to get Maduro right, you know, either he

978
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,840
was surrendering or there was someone willing to do the deed,

979
01:05:13,199 --> 01:05:16,719
and somewhat similar to the OBL raid, it was a

980
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,760
negotiated strike in order to allow one party to save face.

981
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,039
I'm sure our listeners are familiar with that. If not,

982
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:28,559
you can find a great deal of recording on it. It

983
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,719
came out about four or five years after the case

984
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,920
that the Osama bin laden raid was effectively completely fake.

985
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:40,400
And so on that point, part of me wonders, again

986
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,199
if this is going to be brought into a larger

987
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,960
narrative about war, about regime change, and this is sort

988
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:52,679
of the narrow end of a larger wedge, getting you know,

989
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,960
the chuds basically the kind of people who actually participate

990
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,159
in wars back on side. Maybe this is just my my,

991
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,039
you know, Andy Bush prior is talking. But to me,

992
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:07,400
I feel very cynical about whenever I see, uh, you

993
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,960
know America.

994
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 4: That's not good. Remember that's remember what you and I

995
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,280
were talking about the other day about like, all right,

996
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:22,840
they have enough political capital to do one of two things, well,

997
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,400
not if you do them in different not if you

998
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,599
do them in like an order of operations. So, like

999
01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:32,559
another thing that's been happening, there was some recent kerfuffle

1000
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:38,360
about like two Republican congressmen being incapacitated, one dying and

1001
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,280
the other one being capacitated in a car crash rather

1002
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,800
quickly on like the very first day of you know,

1003
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:52,760
Congress being back in session, which is yesterday, and I

1004
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,599
can't remember who posted it, but somebody goes, oh, like

1005
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,599
two congressmen, two Republican congressmen, mysterious and they're both in

1006
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:06,519
CALIFORNI you, which is also suspicious because you know they're

1007
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:10,239
basically there, you know, at the best the test certain

1008
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,840
tech companies. And the post went on to be like,

1009
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,119
all right, some terrible fucking bill is about to get passed.

1010
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:21,559
Something really atrocious is about to get driven through Congress.

1011
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,280
And I was talking to Jay about kind of the

1012
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:32,480
In a period of a week, you had Benjamin and

1013
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:36,159
Yahoo come to the United States and have private meetings

1014
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,599
with the Attorney General of the state of Florida, who

1015
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:45,039
immediately and the Lieutenant governor immediately come out and say like,

1016
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:49,639
we can't allow speech that hurts people. When your speech

1017
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:54,199
hurts people, you know, that's assault, and that's you know,

1018
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:57,800
that's a crime. You've you've committed a crime, and it

1019
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,480
needs to be you know, basically dealt with as such.

1020
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,639
And Benjamin and Yahoo basically comes out and does like

1021
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:11,320
an interview on fucking TV about how American needs to

1022
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:17,319
fix the problems with its First Amendment. And then I

1023
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,079
wish I could, I wish I was making this up

1024
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,720
because it's it sounds like it, it doesn't sound real.

1025
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:29,520
But an Israeli billionaire name I think it's Shlomo Goldberg Goldstein,

1026
01:08:30,079 --> 01:08:37,239
Shlomo something steam literally like a cartoon basically says like, Oh,

1027
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:40,960
there's a real problem with the American First Amendment. We

1028
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,319
have to get a handle on it. We got to

1029
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:45,840
get control of of what's being said. He's saying this

1030
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:53,399
on us fucking business news stations that he and Israeli,

1031
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:59,520
not an American named Shlomo Goldstein. It needs to get

1032
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:05,800
control of get a hold of the First Amendment in

1033
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:13,119
the United States. And we're seeing discourse, particularly about Zionism,

1034
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,399
break down rapidly across the anglosphere. I think it has

1035
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,760
something to do with our shared language, but talking points

1036
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,640
that we've used to great success over the past you

1037
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:29,199
know years, have started being employed in Canada and England

1038
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:35,119
too great and viral effect, and it's spreading very, very rapidly,

1039
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:39,720
and all of a sudden you're starting to see the

1040
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,520
kind of you know, the pawing and the machinations of

1041
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,960
something like a Digital Services Digital Safety Act, which is

1042
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,960
what they recently passed in the UK under the auspices

1043
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,439
of protecting children from porn. And they're not going to

1044
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,319
go after the free speech, it's not what they're going

1045
01:09:58,399 --> 01:10:02,199
to do. What they're going to go after is online anonymity,

1046
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:05,720
and I bet you that is working its way through

1047
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:11,039
Congress at this very moment. And to Jay's point about

1048
01:10:11,039 --> 01:10:15,359
getting people amped up for war, the only way you'd

1049
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:18,000
effectively be able to do that is if you controlled

1050
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:20,439
one side of the conversation. You'd have to stop guys

1051
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:25,560
like us from talking. Yeah, I have to stop guys

1052
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,800
like us from reminding them of the last couple of

1053
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,039
times they've been dragged off to war for who and

1054
01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:35,079
for why. Maybe a nice false flag in there to

1055
01:10:35,119 --> 01:10:38,880
tie it up in a nice clean bow. But it

1056
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,319
seems that anonymity is in the crosshairs in America since

1057
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:44,720
they can't come after the First Amendment itself.

1058
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: Well, and no Lelson just bring pressure to bearer, you know,

1059
01:10:55,239 --> 01:11:05,560
as a continue to do on social media platforms. I mean,

1060
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:10,000
that's why they're constantly trying to undermine TikTok because unlike

1061
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:15,520
unlike X, you know, they they TikTok's not just gonna

1062
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:22,960
you know, cooperate with with the UH. The Zionist censorship regimen,

1063
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,520
not because not not have any like you know, ideological

1064
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:30,279
commitment or anything, but just because it's not within their

1065
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:36,840
sphere of influence, you know, like Facebook or x Is,

1066
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,520
you know, and it uh, you'll see a return to

1067
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,520
like regardless of I think the Republican is gonna lose

1068
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:52,159
big in twenty twenty eight, frankly, but I think you're

1069
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:55,920
gonna see, uh, things aren't gonna become kinetic. I know

1070
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,279
that there's speaking of chicken little types. A lot of

1071
01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:02,600
people are saying that there's going to be a return

1072
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,760
to the cycle of civil unrest of you know, twenty

1073
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,199
twenty one in twenty twenty eight.

1074
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 5: I don't.

1075
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. But I do think

1076
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:17,039
there is going to be a conditions of elevated tension.

1077
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,800
And you're gonna see all the major social media platforms

1078
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:28,039
craking down on you know, inflammatory speech or or hate speech.

1079
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,399
And but it's going to be coded a little bit

1080
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:36,520
differently than at the height of you know, woke censorship.

1081
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,399
It's it's going to be more tailored to you know,

1082
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:45,960
disinformation relating to you know, national security imperatives, you know,

1083
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:50,279
so anything and anything that's alleged to be you know,

1084
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:54,640
disinformation relating to you know, the Russian Federation or China,

1085
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:59,439
or disinformation relating to anti Semitism. That's gonna be what's

1086
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:07,279
targeted lead so private social media platforms and like telegon carriers,

1087
01:13:08,119 --> 01:13:11,039
they're essentially going to like ban criticism of Israel or

1088
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:19,600
you know, discussion of Zionist imperatives and and any punitive capacity.

1089
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,720
That's the way I think it's going to go. You know,

1090
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,840
you don't you don't need to gut the First Amendment

1091
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,560
to accomplish what they want to accomplish, you know, but uh,

1092
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:39,600
it'll be too little, too late, you know, I think, Uh,

1093
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:45,680
to your point, this is a reactive measure, you know,

1094
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:53,159
because the damage is done, you know, the all the

1095
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:59,880
kings men can't piece the narrative back together again, like

1096
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:06,279
that time has passed, you know. So I I remained optimistic,

1097
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:13,000
you know, because there's been a paradigm shift going to

1098
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:18,760
the historical situation that that is now inalterable. That doesn't

1099
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:23,279
mean that the regime is going to go down, justlide

1100
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:29,399
out and die, because it's not. But you know, the

1101
01:14:29,399 --> 01:14:33,159
the main hurdle is has already been traversed, you know.

1102
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:35,079
Speaker 4: And people can feel it in their bones.

1103
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's never going to be a return to the

1104
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:42,640
days of the bully pulpit. You know, it's the people's

1105
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,239
conceptual horizon is never going to return to you know,

1106
01:14:45,319 --> 01:14:49,720
the year nineteen ninety. That's not going to happen outside

1107
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:59,000
of echo chambers where But that don't matter anyway.

1108
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:03,199
Speaker 3: And you know, the even if the social media starts

1109
01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:07,119
cracking down and everything, there's always other ways people innovate,

1110
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:08,960
people figure it out.

1111
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:09,319
Speaker 5: You know.

1112
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:14,560
Speaker 3: It's not you know, people are like, oh, there they bought.

1113
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 5: They bought TikTok. TikTok's done. TikTok was a way that

1114
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,840
people were waking up about, you know, Jewish power and

1115
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,880
everything like that. I'm like, well, first of all, yeah,

1116
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:28,600
normany is waking up to Jewish power. It doesn't really

1117
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,840
mean anything. Second of all, it's they'll just find ways

1118
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,840
around it. They'll just use words, they'll just you know,

1119
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,279
they'll say it's the Amish. They'll you know, people will

1120
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:43,079
know exactly who they're talking about. There's always ways that

1121
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:48,760
they can't stop the momentum of what people saw after

1122
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,680
October seventh. You know, it's like.

1123
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:56,039
Speaker 2: The censorship just tends to you need you need other

1124
01:15:56,079 --> 01:16:02,760
an absolute bully pulpit like the regime had from really

1125
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:11,439
the New Deal Revolution until the nineteen nineties. Or you

1126
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:18,319
need to have a cultural momentum that's behind uh regime

1127
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,680
ambitions and imperatives, you know, if you're gonna do if

1128
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,000
you're gonna go full Soviet and you know, like the

1129
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,840
like in Romania they started literally forcing people to register

1130
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,399
their typewriter, you know, and just became like a source

1131
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:39,039
of parody obviously, because you know, any if you know,

1132
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,439
if you're gonna be that, if you're gonna be that

1133
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:46,760
heavy handed and that clumsy, you know, you just become

1134
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:53,800
a you just become like a parody of yourself, you know.

1135
01:16:55,399 --> 01:16:59,079
And it's totally self defeating, you know, saying we're gonna,

1136
01:17:00,119 --> 01:17:03,199
we're gonna, we're gonna arrest anybody who you know was

1137
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:06,840
suspected of uh Sam's death, It's like, okay, yeah, see

1138
01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:07,920
how well that works.

1139
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:08,159
Speaker 4: You know.

1140
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:12,279
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, we're gonna we're gonna ban rock and roll.

1141
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:13,920
That'll stop the kids from listening to it.

1142
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:16,119
Speaker 1: You know.

1143
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,239
Speaker 2: It's uh so yeah.

1144
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: Here's a uh to Stormy's point, Net and Yah who's

1145
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:29,720
the talk that net Yaho was giving about censorship? He

1146
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,399
these people are so fucking retarded, they're so out of touch.

1147
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,880
He was talking about the sale of TikTok, and he

1148
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:39,239
asked the audience, He's like talking to a bunch of

1149
01:17:39,319 --> 01:17:43,680
journalists and and politicians in Israel, and he asked the journalists,

1150
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,239
He's like, what what's the big win in uh in

1151
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:49,640
censors or free speech or excuse me, uh messaging that

1152
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,560
we just got in America. And he asked the audience.

1153
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,840
Zero people fucking knew he was talking about TikTok. They

1154
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,840
don't even know what the fuck this stuff is. He

1155
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,279
had to tell them he was talking about TikTok.

1156
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:04,399
Speaker 2: Yeah it uh. What's also too, I mean, they overplayed

1157
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,520
their hand by like going after TikTok as hard as

1158
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,199
they did, because it's not even like it's not even

1159
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:12,119
like like in their might, you know, like they made

1160
01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:15,119
like a boogeyman of fourtune, Like they made a boogeyman

1161
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:18,159
of TikTok when TikTok wasn't even politically coded. I mean, yeah,

1162
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:21,319
there's this guy, there's this one dude thing in Australia

1163
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:23,520
who had like a huge following in TikTok, who was

1164
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,920
like very like right wing coded, but generally it's it's

1165
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:33,000
like a hood bullshit and and just kind of the

1166
01:18:33,079 --> 01:18:38,479
kind of stuff used to see like uh on uh Vine,

1167
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,560
like when Vine was a thing, Like it's not it

1168
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,720
was just the fact that it's just the fact that

1169
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:49,199
they didn't have the kind of direct censorious control over

1170
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:52,920
it like they did over X and Facebook that made

1171
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,119
them paranoid, like if they've been like and then and

1172
01:18:55,399 --> 01:18:57,359
like when they then you started seeing like more and

1173
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:00,000
more like right coated stuff popping up there after they

1174
01:19:00,119 --> 01:19:02,239
made it an issue, you know, like what would have

1175
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:06,560
been smart is just uh you know, downplay it by

1176
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,640
omission that they they didn't have direct control over that.

1177
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,239
But it's just like the way that like was getting

1178
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,840
in a minute ago, the nature of it and that

1179
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:19,439
weird kind of like rapid scroll feature like it makes

1180
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,920
it it's harder. I mean, it will come up, but

1181
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,319
there'll be a way, I'm sure to they'll develop an

1182
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:33,680
algorithm to categorically exclude stuff that they want to squash.

1183
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:39,159
But it's it's not as simple as uh, you know

1184
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:44,319
having a you know kind of like an autonomous uh

1185
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:49,319
like censorship regime on something like on something like uh X,

1186
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,319
it's a different kind of thing, you know, and like

1187
01:19:53,359 --> 01:19:55,399
so much of it is like a visual too, Like

1188
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,439
it's just not I they're not They're not gonna heally

1189
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,039
manipulate the same way, you know.

1190
01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: Is a point.

1191
01:20:05,159 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 4: Now, this is the thing that Yeah, and this is

1192
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,359
the good thing about zoomers is they communicate and literally

1193
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:19,119
like another language. They're they're just so far they're just

1194
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,520
so far away from the type of people trying to

1195
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,800
implement these paradigms you know or sorry, these prerogatives that

1196
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:31,880
it's almost like the the the boomer is on Cape

1197
01:20:32,039 --> 01:20:36,600
is incapable of designing a effective propaganda aymore, or be

1198
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:41,279
getting out front of the conversation because the conversation is

1199
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:46,680
happening in in ways that he can't understand, using language

1200
01:20:47,399 --> 01:20:50,880
and metaphor he can't understand. Right, So this is like,

1201
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:55,760
you know, basically trying to censor an alien civilization, knowing

1202
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:01,079
none of its customs, knowing none of its historical you know, priors,

1203
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,319
and knowing very little of its language. It's an impossible task.

1204
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's five.

1205
01:21:08,359 --> 01:21:11,159
Speaker 1: And they didn't even know what TikTok was, go ahead.

1206
01:21:11,399 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: No, that's they're no, they're they're they're the Soviet nomenclad.

1207
01:21:15,039 --> 01:21:17,439
You're a circa in nineteen eighty seven. I mean that's

1208
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,119
why people what's like you said at at the top

1209
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:25,279
of the or these people like Lindsey Graham are universally

1210
01:21:25,319 --> 01:21:29,159
fucking despised, you know, like yah, who is the most

1211
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,880
hated man on this planet? Like everybody hates these people,

1212
01:21:33,319 --> 01:21:35,680
you know, like they're not and they're these they're these

1213
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:41,560
decrepit uh grotesque hateful Uh.

1214
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Debbie Washerman Salts, Debbie Washerman Schultz.

1215
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's these grotesque people who are full of hate

1216
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:55,279
and uh are at odds with God and uh, they're

1217
01:21:55,359 --> 01:22:00,560
universally despised, you know, like it's you know, they're they're

1218
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,840
a joke. I mean that doesn't mean they can't hurt us.

1219
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:12,680
And unfortunately, I mean as this regime evaporates into into history,

1220
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:14,960
it uh, it's going to continue to hurt a lot

1221
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,640
of people. But you know, these these uh, these people

1222
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:24,000
are pathetic, man, you know, they really are, you know,

1223
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:26,560
and it's it's important to get not to be cavalier

1224
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,279
or flippant, but it was important not to make these

1225
01:22:29,279 --> 01:22:31,920
people out like they're ten feet tall, like they're they're

1226
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:39,039
a joke. You know, they're pathetic and that, uh, that's

1227
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,880
something that I encourage people to not least sight of.

1228
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,119
Speaker 4: You know, there's a certain power in human consciousness, right, Yeah,

1229
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:52,880
that's this way. If everyone hates you, and everyone despises

1230
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:56,039
you and wants you to go away, you will meet

1231
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:59,960
like almost like it sets the odds against you. Where rinned.

1232
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:04,119
Events that would normally work out for you or you know,

1233
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:07,000
a fifty to fifty chance are now all of a

1234
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,319
sudden working against you. Right, Everything that would normally go

1235
01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:12,520
off without a hitch is blowing up in your face.

1236
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:16,920
It has a it's very very strange what happens when

1237
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:22,359
large groups of people have their attention fixated on you

1238
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:24,039
in a negative way.

1239
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 2: What's the cunning of reason? Is the hand of providence

1240
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,680
in history, that's exactly the point of people too. Like

1241
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:34,920
my good buddy as As I Iranian and I'm playing

1242
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,520
with him, and his wife Pete knows him, and he's

1243
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,680
obviously always concerned about Iran being targeted for violence, and

1244
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,399
I'm like, look, I'm like, you know, God forbid, there

1245
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,840
was some sort of general assault and Iran, you know,

1246
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,960
I'm like, whatever replaced the revolutionary government, it certainly wouldn't

1247
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,199
be something that Zog likes, you know, I mean, like

1248
01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:56,399
that's that's done, that's over.

1249
01:23:57,359 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 4: You know.

1250
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,600
Speaker 2: The one uh, the one thing uh in the in

1251
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:06,560
the aftermath of the iraq uh disaster. And I mean,

1252
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,239
don't get me wrong, that that was the amount of

1253
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:13,239
human unless are human suffering yielded by the assault in

1254
01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:16,560
Iraq is almost unfathomable. But the one thing all factions

1255
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:21,239
agreed on when the dust settled is unconditionally like America

1256
01:24:21,319 --> 01:24:26,119
must leave, you know, I mean, nobody, nobody's gonna abide uh,

1257
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:30,279
the neo kind vision of things. You know, nobody, nobody

1258
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,720
used it as legitimate. You know, nobody's gonna nobody's gonna

1259
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,279
get behind you know, like a regime change. You know,

1260
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,800
that's that's garbage, that's nonsense.

1261
01:24:40,119 --> 01:24:40,319
Speaker 4: You know.

1262
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,079
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think one of the things that

1263
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:46,920
you know, it's what you talk about all the time, Thomas,

1264
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:47,439
and it's what.

1265
01:24:49,039 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 5: You know, what I take from all.

1266
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: Of this that we started talking about, this whole Venezuela

1267
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:58,520
op and everything is yep, this managerial regime, this west

1268
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,359
the westphalure in the state is obsolete, it's dying. And

1269
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:08,840
anyone who is cheering on this or sees it as

1270
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,319
a win or you know, I've made you know, I've

1271
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:15,279
basically said that, you know a lot of people are

1272
01:25:15,359 --> 01:25:20,960
just so normy coded that they've seen like the US

1273
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:25,279
do so poorly that anything that is presented to them

1274
01:25:25,319 --> 01:25:28,159
as a win they need feel like they need to cheer.

1275
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,520
But the fact is is that if this proves anything,

1276
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,159
if everything that Trump is done, I mean he's he's

1277
01:25:36,279 --> 01:25:39,520
legitimately done good stuff, and I applaud him for it.

1278
01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:42,760
But the problem is is and he's probably done more

1279
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,840
good stuff in one year than like most of the

1280
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,119
pre the last ten presidents have in like they're in

1281
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,880
their whole term, especially with what he's done at the

1282
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:55,640
what he's done at the southern border. But we're still

1283
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,319
you still have an existential crisis, you still are occupied,

1284
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:03,800
You're still have you know, you you still are at

1285
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,359
the point where it's like if you don't have social

1286
01:26:06,399 --> 01:26:10,199
capital with people in real life, you really you can

1287
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,359
your life can be redacted very quickly. And to think

1288
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:21,359
that Trump and this and his regime is going to

1289
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,840
turn that around and somehow fix all of this, leaving

1290
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,960
aside the fact that all of this is obsolete. It's

1291
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,560
even if it wasn't obsolete, you you have no there's

1292
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,239
no proof, there's no there's no evidence you can give

1293
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:42,880
me that that is even a possibility in in the

1294
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:48,119
smallest terms, I mean in there, there's no I wouldn't

1295
01:26:48,119 --> 01:26:52,199
bet you a dollar, you know. I mean, I wouldn't take, like,

1296
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,600
you know, bet a dollar on a ten million to

1297
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,439
one and ten million to one odds. That all of

1298
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,199
this gets turned around and all of a sud said

1299
01:27:00,199 --> 01:27:03,399
when we have you know, the paradise said America was,

1300
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,720
you know, I mean, it's like, it's just so absurd

1301
01:27:07,399 --> 01:27:08,960
to hear people talk like this.

1302
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,359
Speaker 2: But that's again, I mean, that's why I don't speak

1303
01:27:12,399 --> 01:27:15,399
for anybody else, Okay, but I I view myself as

1304
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,960
an outlaw because I've always been at odds with the

1305
01:27:20,039 --> 01:27:23,520
regime as structured in my lifetime, and even you know,

1306
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,000
I came to this as a teenager. I mean I

1307
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:28,039
was always you know, because my dad and stuff, and

1308
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:29,680
because like where I lived. I mean I lived in

1309
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,800
a really nice place. But I you know, I was

1310
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:37,279
I was the minority, so I I I was oriented

1311
01:27:37,319 --> 01:27:41,159
towards political questions more than some kids. But I realized,

1312
01:27:41,279 --> 01:27:45,600
like having to go having to go to school eight

1313
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,960
hours a day instand in a building and do stupid

1314
01:27:48,039 --> 01:27:51,199
things is bullshit. Like the stuff that adults were telling

1315
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:54,119
me how to do was bullshit. The things that people

1316
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:58,479
thought was important was bullshit, you know, and meaningless and

1317
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,560
stupid and worse than that, deleterious to the human spirit

1318
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:13,079
and positively oppressive. You know, something had to change, and uh,

1319
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:18,800
you know, thank god the historical situation and emerging technology

1320
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:21,479
and also the cunning of reason. You know, the hand

1321
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,159
of providence literally in the historical process liberated us. The

1322
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:33,439
people who are willing to make that leap liberated us

1323
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,039
from that paradigm. You know, the idea that like America

1324
01:28:37,119 --> 01:28:41,079
nineteen eighty five is this utopia, that that's preposterous. I

1325
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:43,920
mean that that's ridiculous. It was totally fucked up. And

1326
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,319
if you don't realize that, you you're an idiot or

1327
01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:51,119
you're just like something like NPC normy, you isn't in

1328
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:51,600
the game.

1329
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 3: So I mean, like, I you know, nineteen eighty five

1330
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:57,319
probably had I mean, I'd say to a bet eighteen

1331
01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,800
hundred to two thousand murders in New York City. Yeah,

1332
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,640
I don't know how what Chicago would be people dropping

1333
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,039
dead from heroin.

1334
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:08,039
Speaker 5: Everywhere.

1335
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the like literal human trafficking on forty

1336
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,479
second Street between seven and eighth Avenue in Manhattan.

1337
01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:18,399
Speaker 5: Well, and the police just drive by.

1338
01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: Like, thank god, Grbachev and Reagan's people came to the

1339
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,800
table because you know, they control element of both. The

1340
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:30,680
superpowers were realized. The strategic paradigm was totally out of

1341
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,439
control and almost certainly going to result in a war

1342
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,840
where you know, between eighty and two hundred million people died,

1343
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,079
you know what I mean, Like this was uh, this

1344
01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:44,359
was midness. The world is going to hell in a handbasket.

1345
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,000
In some ways, things are exponentially better now, but just

1346
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:51,079
in terms of people's day to day lives. The idea that, uh,

1347
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,000
the the idea that late modernity as it existed a

1348
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:03,079
few decades ago, was somehow addressing human needs and spiritual

1349
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:08,239
health and allowing people to pursue meaningful lives, you know,

1350
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:13,800
according to you know, practical reason as well as you know,

1351
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,520
the higher ambitions of spirit and things like that. That's

1352
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,880
that's laughable, you know, and anybody anybody who thinks the

1353
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,760
in terms of good old days or anybody whose ideas

1354
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,960
just like you know, uh, you know, good government is

1355
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,640
just low Texes and like, you know, no Niggers in

1356
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:36,880
my immediate neighborhood like they're they're completely small minded, you know.

1357
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 3: And people some people will hear me talk about describe

1358
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,439
a big city New York in nineteen eighty five and

1359
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,600
be like, well, it wasn't like that where I lived.

1360
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,720
I mean, I love Yeah, but you're the same person

1361
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,960
who complains that the big cities have all the power.

1362
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's also too, I mean, the fact of

1363
01:30:54,279 --> 01:30:57,600
the matter is like it's not And it's like William Pierced,

1364
01:30:58,319 --> 01:31:01,479
you know, you know, people are people have different cultures

1365
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,760
and people diferent preferences. You know, some people are city slickers,

1366
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,760
some people are are country folks, you know, and and

1367
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,079
trying to force one of the other modality on people

1368
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:16,279
is isn't isn't right? And you know, but the my

1369
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:22,359
point being that I uh, you know, most most people,

1370
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,000
this isn't for them, I mean, and that's fine because

1371
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:33,760
any and any any any partisan orientation there's any chance

1372
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:39,199
of success or there is is it all intellectually rigorous

1373
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:43,560
and the ideologically sound is a vanguardist tendency, but it's

1374
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,880
you know, the political is only a very small part

1375
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:47,159
of it.

1376
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:48,159
Speaker 4: You know.

1377
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 2: It's it's uh, it's existential, and it's spiritual at base,

1378
01:31:52,920 --> 01:32:00,720
and it's historical, you know, and defeating obstacles to that

1379
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,680
sort of flourishing is essential, you know. It's it's an

1380
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:11,560
essential prerequisite of liberation and an individual and communitarian capacity.

1381
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:14,880
It's not some end in itself, you know. But but

1382
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:19,560
again that's why I'm totally carnival and saying I think

1383
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,520
conservatives are shitheads and they're my least favorite kind of people,

1384
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:26,239
and I I don't want any part of what they're into.

1385
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 3: And you know, they certainly are and they certainly are

1386
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,000
the most the most dangerous us. I mean, they will

1387
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,560
they will act like your friend and then stab you

1388
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,640
in the back. At least you know that, at least

1389
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:40,399
you know that you're you're obvious, I hate you and

1390
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,760
once you're dead and these people, yeah.

1391
01:32:43,359 --> 01:32:45,319
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I realized too. I mean, like I said,

1392
01:32:45,359 --> 01:32:47,319
maybe it's easier for me, like I never I'm never

1393
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:49,399
eat blessed. I got a lot of really dear friends

1394
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,640
who got great love for me, and I generally get

1395
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,760
along with people, and that's how I feel very fortunate.

1396
01:32:56,239 --> 01:32:58,880
But I also realized like most of these like normies,

1397
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:03,000
they they they're they're hateful people and they want bad

1398
01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:06,279
things they happen to me, and they they like it

1399
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:10,159
if I was locked up in jail or worse. And

1400
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:14,159
you know, they they've got contempt for people who don't

1401
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:18,720
fit the kind of mold of what they think is

1402
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,920
is uh acceptable, And I don't like people like that,

1403
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,359
you know, so I'm not. I'm not gonna pretend that

1404
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:33,840
I do owing to you know, what's allegedly, you know,

1405
01:33:34,039 --> 01:33:37,239
supposed to be like the appropriate way to proceed and

1406
01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:40,640
in terms of some big tent coalition of of weight

1407
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:47,000
or something, I don't accept it. But I gotta, I

1408
01:33:47,039 --> 01:33:48,840
gotta take leave you guys in a minute, because I gotta.

1409
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,520
I gotta go to the library and peck peck peck

1410
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:57,359
on my on my laptop. I don't mean to be

1411
01:33:57,399 --> 01:33:57,840
a prompt.

1412
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 4: I just ordered you, uh Polo and Khaki's probably yeah, them,

1413
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:07,960
they will, they will be the I'm bringing them for

1414
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:09,000
your birthday.

1415
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:13,359
Speaker 2: If you want to. Yeah, like I you know, I'm

1416
01:34:13,359 --> 01:34:14,399
probably gonna pee on them.

1417
01:34:14,399 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 4: But like I said, you gotta we got to win

1418
01:34:17,479 --> 01:34:22,359
over that fifty.

1419
01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 6: Take Take Thomas to Vineyard Vines, like it's that one

1420
01:34:23,039 --> 01:34:25,680
scene out of every two thousands rom com where it may.

1421
01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:28,359
Speaker 4: I can't find the doc shoes anywhere.

1422
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:35,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I ended up with that. I can't remember

1423
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:37,359
what it's called. Man, But there's a major country club

1424
01:34:37,399 --> 01:34:41,880
in Berlin game and I ended up there and that

1425
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,399
was kind of interesting, Like I behaved myself. I mean,

1426
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,840
I was with my dad and stuff, but it, uh yeah,

1427
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,239
I decided I don't ever want to join a country club.

1428
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:53,319
That's that's the first time I'd bend to one, believe

1429
01:34:53,319 --> 01:34:55,359
it or not. What Uh Yeah, I don't.

1430
01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 4: Uh.

1431
01:34:56,079 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd fit in it at Martha's Vineyard either.

1432
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,199
Speaker 6: So returning to your to your previous point, Thomas, I've

1433
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:08,199
been on the kind of woke right beat for a

1434
01:35:08,279 --> 01:35:11,359
while because I think that there is going to be

1435
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:14,439
an attempted purge. I mean there already really has been

1436
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:18,800
of the conservative movement, you know, going after first, you know,

1437
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:21,680
more marginal figures and then kind of bringing it closer

1438
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:26,159
and closer in uh Again, Interestingly enough, it does seem

1439
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:29,760
to be particularly targeted at figures like Tucker Carlson, and JD.

1440
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:30,279
Speaker 4: Vans.

1441
01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:37,159
Speaker 6: But there's an interesting development. Barry Weiss, who you know

1442
01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:40,920
is a sort of infamous figure, recently announced that she

1443
01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:45,319
was bringing on a number of new people to her outlet,

1444
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:50,119
The Free Press. Speculation has run wild that The Free

1445
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,960
Press is massively basically to money laundering.

1446
01:35:54,039 --> 01:35:55,319
Speaker 4: Up right, you can.

1447
01:35:57,159 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 6: You can get a lot of money through anonymous donations.

1448
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:01,520
This is this organization is supported.

1449
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:02,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

1450
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:07,399
Speaker 6: But point is, she announced a whole slate of new

1451
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:11,199
people coming on side. They're gonna be part of this new,

1452
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:15,399
you know, good conservative movement. What's interesting, and I'll get

1453
01:36:15,399 --> 01:36:18,159
into this the details more in a second, is that

1454
01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:20,960
she has been quite explicit that she wants to define.

1455
01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:24,319
She calls the forty yards of allowable discourse the Overton window,

1456
01:36:25,039 --> 01:36:28,319
kicking out figures like Nick Kuentz, Tucker Carlson, and Hassan

1457
01:36:28,359 --> 01:36:33,319
Piker and replacing them with her word consumative conservative luminaries

1458
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,039
like Alan Dershwitz.

1459
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:39,279
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, he's dead.

1460
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1461
01:36:41,039 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: Well, Uh.

1462
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:45,039
Speaker 6: The point is the reason I bring this up is

1463
01:36:45,159 --> 01:36:48,239
because I think that that is continuing a pace. So

1464
01:36:48,279 --> 01:36:51,600
you have people like you know, Abigail Schreyer now Ferguson,

1465
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:55,760
Rod Dreyer one of my favorites. Uh, a couple guys

1466
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:56,880
name named Ackman.

1467
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

1468
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,680
Speaker 6: So point is, the battle lines are being drawn up,

1469
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,640
and it seems as if there's an immense amount of

1470
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:07,920
money flowing around for the good guys quote unquote, right,

1471
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:09,760
the guys who were on side on.

1472
01:37:11,079 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 4: That issue.

1473
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 6: And if you go to the Free Press, it's basically

1474
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,640
all you will read about is kind of conservative culture

1475
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:21,560
wor slop, and then also Israel, but mostly that second thing.

1476
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:24,520
And so I think that that's.

1477
01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:28,199
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's true. I did notice, and this is

1478
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:31,880
anecdotal when I they but it is something of a

1479
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:37,640
bell Weather. I was reading the American Spectator and uh,

1480
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:46,800
very suddenly after they they conspicuously avoid direct criticism of Trump.

1481
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:49,600
But it's basically a bunch of like the old and

1482
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:53,319
never Trump guys have kind of like reinvented themselves, and

1483
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,079
uh they started popping up on the Spectator, and uh,

1484
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:03,399
I'm like, okay, well that's interesting, you know because obviously

1485
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:09,079
these guys are are just waiting, you know, because there's

1486
01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:12,920
not because Mega is Trump and there's not a successor,

1487
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:15,920
and even if there was, I mean, they wouldn't be

1488
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:20,119
able to recapture Trump's lightning in a bottle from twenty sixteen.

1489
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,560
So yeah, they're gonna make their big play in twenty

1490
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:26,560
twenty eight. That makes perfect sense.

1491
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, So especially as we you know, we turn to,

1492
01:38:33,159 --> 01:38:36,199
you know, discussions of possible censorship. I think that's an

1493
01:38:36,199 --> 01:38:38,960
interesting development as well, that a large part of this

1494
01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:42,560
might well be pushed from within the sort of owned

1495
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:48,000
conservative movement. But we haven't seen anything explicit coming from

1496
01:38:48,119 --> 01:38:50,880
kind of major voices. But as Stormy mentioned, the presence

1497
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,159
of the Florida a g indicates that, you know, fairly

1498
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,960
deep into the Republican Party, you know, there is a

1499
01:38:57,039 --> 01:39:00,439
desire to do this. Again, we call back to the

1500
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,880
conversation about Venezuela. It is entirely the wrong attack line

1501
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,159
to look at this and say, oh, you know, you

1502
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:11,279
hypocritical conservatives. Don't you remember during twenty twenty when you

1503
01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:14,760
were all upset about cancel culture. I mean, that's true,

1504
01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:20,319
that is hypocritical. That is not logically consistent exactly. So

1505
01:39:20,399 --> 01:39:24,600
that is a trend that I have identified. What's also

1506
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,680
interesting is that we're getting into kind of a Feurer

1507
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:33,279
Bunker mode from the administration using that term, of course

1508
01:39:33,359 --> 01:39:39,600
loosely where within the kind of like ultra hardcore, they're

1509
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:45,000
just swinging at anyone they see as a trader. This

1510
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:47,520
is not super relevant, but there's a've.

1511
01:39:47,239 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 4: Actually been called a trader several times this week. It's

1512
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:50,960
very strange.

1513
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,239
Speaker 6: There's a Fox News host. Your name is Kat timp.

1514
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,119
I don't really know anything about it.

1515
01:39:58,359 --> 01:39:59,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know you're talking about.

1516
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:03,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a woman on Fox News. Many reasons for

1517
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:07,079
me not to pay attention to what she says, but regardless,

1518
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:11,000
she had a very tepid take on what happened in Venezuela.

1519
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,560
She basically said, I don't understand how it's not war

1520
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:19,159
to kidnap someone's president, but it is to ship cocaine

1521
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:19,800
to their country.

1522
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:20,239
Speaker 4: Right.

1523
01:40:20,279 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 6: This doesn't add up. And she's been getting battered from

1524
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:30,520
pillar to post by hardcore maga guys, and the coverage

1525
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:33,600
has all been basically, you know you are you know

1526
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:37,119
you're a trader. You've switched sides. And I think that

1527
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,039
that's interesting as well, is that it there seems to

1528
01:40:40,039 --> 01:40:42,479
be a sort of circular firing squad. And look, this

1529
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,920
is how politics works, right. There's a certain amount of

1530
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,640
it that's internal enforcement you need to get people on

1531
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,119
side and keep them on side. But I do think

1532
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:54,039
that's an interesting change in I guess you could just

1533
01:40:54,039 --> 01:40:57,439
say change in disposition that now much of the conservative

1534
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:01,159
movement has basically has, you know, turned to going after

1535
01:41:02,079 --> 01:41:05,520
you know, black pillars to traders. You've seen this as

1536
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:09,319
well with Dan Bongino, right, who returned to private life,

1537
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:13,359
and basically his first statement is, you know, I'm going

1538
01:41:13,399 --> 01:41:15,760
after the doomers, the black pillars, the guys who don't

1539
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:18,319
see what great, you know, work we've done for America.

1540
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,920
And Thomas, I realize, you know, you and I both

1541
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:24,880
don't have a particularly high opinion of Bongino. He's kind

1542
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:25,960
of a Simian fellow.

1543
01:41:26,279 --> 01:41:29,279
Speaker 2: You know, he looks like they paid him in bananas,

1544
01:41:29,279 --> 01:41:32,600
and that was part of the jojes like cost saving effort.

1545
01:41:34,279 --> 01:41:38,840
Speaker 6: They saved three billion dollars from Dan Bongino's personal banana collection.

1546
01:41:39,079 --> 01:41:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1547
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:46,039
Speaker 6: The point is I think that, look, obviously Bongino was

1548
01:41:46,079 --> 01:41:48,439
probably doing that to make money. You know, he was

1549
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,399
making a good bit on on rumble. I doubt he

1550
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:53,720
was as the head of the FBI, nor was he

1551
01:41:54,119 --> 01:41:56,399
really doing a whole lot. So I can understand that

1552
01:41:57,439 --> 01:42:01,319
but also you know the age old you know wisdom

1553
01:42:01,359 --> 01:42:03,520
within the right that you know, you never really leave

1554
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,119
these intelligence communities, I think is probably apt. And I

1555
01:42:07,159 --> 01:42:10,800
think that this kind of conservative right wing whatever you

1556
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,439
want to call it, civil war is likely to continue

1557
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:19,840
to escalate, particularly as you know, the administration is facing

1558
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,640
criticism from within its own coalition, and it seems as

1559
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,000
if the line the marching orders is basically, you know,

1560
01:42:27,039 --> 01:42:31,119
you're a trader. If you don't support Trump, you're a doomer,

1561
01:42:31,159 --> 01:42:34,399
you're a black pillar. And you know, again when I

1562
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,560
mentioned earlier the kind of cynical takedown of you know,

1563
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,840
the anti war types, the people who do not support

1564
01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:43,760
these kind of retarded, you know, foreign adventures, again it

1565
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,920
was within that language, and I think that that's an

1566
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,800
interesting trend to identify perhaps going forward.

1567
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,560
Speaker 2: No, I'm sure you're absolutely correct. What's also there's not

1568
01:42:55,079 --> 01:43:00,600
the there's a sort of built in tendency of I mean,

1569
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:02,960
like I said before that there is no Republican party.

1570
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,439
They're not a party, it's there were The Republicans are

1571
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:09,760
just the official they're the official opposition. You know, the

1572
01:43:10,479 --> 01:43:13,840
people call themselves the Democrats, they ruling coalition, and the

1573
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:22,000
official opposition calls themselves the Republicans, but they since since

1574
01:43:22,039 --> 01:43:26,920
November nineteen eighty nine, they had they haven't had a platform,

1575
01:43:27,359 --> 01:43:30,159
So there's a building tendency of them to cannibalize their

1576
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:36,680
own even in the absence of a conflict diad relating

1577
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:42,800
to you know, relating to America first versus the intervention

1578
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:47,119
is tendency and Zionism and things that that's obviously the

1579
01:43:47,279 --> 01:43:53,279
catalysts that frames this in the present. But the fact

1580
01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:58,840
that they literally have no platform that's you know, uh

1581
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:05,560
coherent and and sort of structurally enduring, that that tends

1582
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,520
towards infighting in a way that wouldn't with a more

1583
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:15,119
normal uh you know, sort of oppositional coalition like the

1584
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:18,479
Tories have the same deal in the UK, like like

1585
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,399
they make no sense. It doesn't. It's a totally redundant

1586
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:26,279
coalition that has no actual platform, you know, and there's

1587
01:44:26,319 --> 01:44:30,479
interesting parallels between US and the mother country. So yeah,

1588
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,680
I I just wanted to add to AC I think

1589
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:39,720
it's somewhat under analyzed. No, I'm fure one hundred percent correct.

1590
01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm recording a bunch today, so I'm

1591
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,039
gonna bail them now.

1592
01:44:52,279 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah me, fellas, I'll uh yeah, I'm gonna I'm

1593
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,119
gonna connect with some of you guys in the next

1594
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:01,760
couple of days. But yeah, let's let's do more inquisition

1595
01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,920
stuff whenever you guys are able until I gotta start

1596
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:08,079
traveling again in February. But for the rest of the month,

1597
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:12,760
I am basically just you know, chilling and doing my thing, man, so.

1598
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,279
Speaker 4: I've got a bit more time astro.

1599
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:18,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think mister I think mister Doll is

1600
01:45:18,079 --> 01:45:19,399
supposed to be showing up shortly.

1601
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:27,319
Speaker 4: Really, Carls, guess things really are going to ship then, huh.

1602
01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:31,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody noticed this, but Mike Vining

1603
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:31,840
is on sweater.

1604
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 1: Now you got to remind me that is I know

1605
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:37,239
the name for.

1606
01:45:37,159 --> 01:45:39,720
Speaker 3: Some reason, Thomas, you know, you know Mike Vining right

1607
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,960
the personally, I know who he is. Yeah, he's on

1608
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:48,039
sweater and he's been posting really cool old picks, no kidding. Yeah, yeah,

1609
01:45:48,079 --> 01:45:50,600
you gotta follow me. Some of the pixies are just

1610
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:54,640
like outright yeah, yeah, I.

1611
01:45:56,319 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 6: Like, very amusing, like in addition to the coolest doc photos.

1612
01:46:01,279 --> 01:46:10,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'll uh today and I'm working around online, yo, follow.

1613
01:46:10,319 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'll share is actually yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm

1614
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,359
getting the chat. Here's his link. Here's a link to

1615
01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:25,319
his account blasting through. But all right, gentlemen, thank you,

1616
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:26,319
it's pleasure.

1617
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Thanks guys. Hey, listen, so that was a

1618
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,119
very solid Oh Jay had to go to all right, Stormy, Well,

1619
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,399
it's me and you until Carl gets here. Look, listen,

1620
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:41,479
let's uh. I want to go back to Venezuela because

1621
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,079
there's a big elephant in the room.

1622
01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:44,520
Speaker 5: Funk.

1623
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:52,319
Speaker 1: We lost Stormy too. Oh please hold well, I get

1624
01:46:52,359 --> 01:46:57,159
Stormy back. All right, Stormy, all right, I paused the recording.

1625
01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 4: We lost. That sucks.

1626
01:47:01,199 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize he was leaving.

1627
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,039
But that's okay. We got Carl coming and I got

1628
01:47:05,039 --> 01:47:08,399
a bit more time. Listen, there's an elephant in the

1629
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,039
room on the Venezuela topic we didn't talk about. So

1630
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:15,880
let's go back to that. The oil I did not

1631
01:47:16,079 --> 01:47:21,239
expect in twenty twenty six, after everything we went through

1632
01:47:21,239 --> 01:47:24,319
in Iraq, and everyone agrees that we did not go

1633
01:47:24,399 --> 01:47:26,920
into Iraq to get the oil. And it's a historical

1634
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:30,239
fact that we did not take the oil, at least

1635
01:47:30,319 --> 01:47:34,000
not in any imperial sense. I did not expect people

1636
01:47:34,039 --> 01:47:36,720
to be saying that we went in to Venezuela to

1637
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:39,279
get the oil on both sides, the people for it

1638
01:47:39,399 --> 01:47:40,159
and against it.

1639
01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:43,520
Speaker 4: Oh I expected them to be saying that one hundred percent,

1640
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,000
because most people didn't know that it was just Israel

1641
01:47:46,039 --> 01:47:50,279
that got the oil. Usnut oil exports went down during

1642
01:47:50,319 --> 01:47:53,479
and after Iraq, and all of a sudden, Israel, that

1643
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:58,000
has no natural resources to speak of, all of a

1644
01:47:58,039 --> 01:48:01,640
sudden becomes the seventh largest energy exporter in the world.

1645
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,680
I like this all basically stolen oil and natural gas

1646
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:05,800
from Iraqi Kurdistan.

1647
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Let me throw something in here too, about the whole

1648
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:13,840
all the hypocrisy going on here. Israel was buying Kurdish

1649
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:19,000
oil against US sanctioned the Curtis oil was sanctioned, and

1650
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,359
we didn't do a goddamn fucking thing about it.

1651
01:48:22,079 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 4: Why would we The sanctions just exist for Israel that

1652
01:48:26,199 --> 01:48:30,279
exist for us, right literally, like who was in charge

1653
01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:35,680
at that time, Like the entire US presidential apparatus existed

1654
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,520
for Israel. After nine to eleven, they hijacked the fucking country.

1655
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:44,640
Bush's entire prerogative before nine to eleven was strategic ballistic

1656
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,840
missile defense that's like, that's what the country was gearing

1657
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,640
up to do. It's what the Pentagon was gearing up

1658
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:54,640
to do. And that's why we got out of the

1659
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:59,800
Salt Treaties with Russia. Right, the US is going to

1660
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:05,119
do Star Wars two point zero and basically in the

1661
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:10,680
within a year after nine to eleven, like Zog really

1662
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:13,399
took control of the executive It basically didn't have to

1663
01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:17,800
exist behind the scenes, right and like excert you know,

1664
01:49:19,439 --> 01:49:23,279
leverage through covert meetings, right like it once nine to

1665
01:49:23,319 --> 01:49:27,840
eleven happened, they basically, you know, started installing themselves into

1666
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,439
actual you know, positions of power inside the government officially

1667
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:35,680
and not just like not just the neo cons being

1668
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,760
kept in the basement. But I mean, yeah, nine to

1669
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:44,520
eleven was really like it's when it's when the when

1670
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:49,239
Zog's security state apparatus went online. Put it that way. So, yeah,

1671
01:49:49,239 --> 01:49:53,760
of course we didn't fucking enforce sanctions and Paul Singer

1672
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,880
is just going to flip the Chevron assets.

1673
01:49:56,319 --> 01:49:59,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that. I'll

1674
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:01,079
let you start if you like, otherwise I can give

1675
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:01,479
it intro.

1676
01:50:02,319 --> 01:50:05,039
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's I mean, it's not really that much

1677
01:50:05,079 --> 01:50:06,039
to understand.

1678
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: Broadly on the whole Venezuelan oil thing, just everything.

1679
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 4: Like the fact that like saying we're taking it away

1680
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,279
from China doesn't really make much sense. They get four

1681
01:50:19,319 --> 01:50:22,840
percent of their oil from Venezuela. We could have just

1682
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:27,479
taken it at any point in time, right like it

1683
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:32,720
as in like they're not teleporting the oil from Venezuela

1684
01:50:33,359 --> 01:50:36,560
to China, right they're taking it through the Panama Canal

1685
01:50:38,399 --> 01:50:42,640
in chips. Like we could just basically stop it at

1686
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,960
any point in time without actually doing the regime change

1687
01:50:45,039 --> 01:50:51,119
up in Venezuela, if that's what the purpose is. Right.

1688
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:55,119
There's been some really interesting stuff. I'll wait for more

1689
01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:59,800
news to come out about a a shadow fleet tanker

1690
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,800
that left a Russian shadow fleet tanker that left Iran

1691
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:09,800
on its way to Venezuela two weeks ago and it

1692
01:51:10,039 --> 01:51:16,640
basically got interdicted on the way over about uh and

1693
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:22,239
was captured this this afternoon, and very very strange behavior.

1694
01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:26,720
Shadow fleets are shadow tankers are literally just you know, throwaways.

1695
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:31,800
If if you're violating sanctions like you base, they basically

1696
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:35,039
just dropped them. They're not traceable back. It's very strange behavior.

1697
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:41,560
So It's obviously there wasn't any oil on that ship,

1698
01:51:42,399 --> 01:51:44,880
nor were they planning on putting any. It was bringing

1699
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:48,960
something to Venezuela and that left two weeks ago, so

1700
01:51:49,560 --> 01:51:53,079
I'm I think it was obviously likely weapons platforms. Maybe

1701
01:51:53,079 --> 01:51:55,840
that's why we moved as quickly as we did in

1702
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,079
Venezuela instead of just doing the things that we all

1703
01:51:59,159 --> 01:52:02,000
just talked about. That would have been easier just letting that,

1704
01:52:02,079 --> 01:52:05,239
you know, situation clear itself up internally by having you know,

1705
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:09,399
people underneath him. Uh, You're the reason why you couldn't

1706
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:14,199
get anyone to like betray Madua was basically because the

1707
01:52:14,359 --> 01:52:20,000
entire security apparatus around Madua was Cuban, right, in fact,

1708
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,520
that Venezuela was effectively a Cuban colony. I know that

1709
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:28,760
sounds ridiculous, but after the economy collapsed, and I mean

1710
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:33,279
it did collapse, right when they nationalized the oil resources,

1711
01:52:33,319 --> 01:52:36,399
they didn't actually know how to operate them. They didn't

1712
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:39,760
fucking know how to do anything. So all of a sudden,

1713
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:45,720
oil revenues crashed to nothing. The country experiences one point

1714
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:53,560
seven million percent two million percent in two million percent

1715
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:58,199
inflation in a matter of months. Absolutely it destroyed every

1716
01:52:58,279 --> 01:53:01,720
dollar of or sorry, every amount of savings, every amount

1717
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:08,319
of anything, everyone's assets, their jobs, like everything just became worthless.

1718
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,520
Like why there's no point in if you're a business owner,

1719
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,800
there's no point employing anybody. It basically made everything in

1720
01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:21,479
the country go out of business at once, and one

1721
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,000
third of the population left inside of like a year,

1722
01:53:26,079 --> 01:53:31,479
two years. So the people that left is the largest

1723
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:36,079
single mass migration event in the history of the South

1724
01:53:36,119 --> 01:53:42,720
American continent. So most of almost all of the most

1725
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:44,800
talented people are the ones that left. They were the

1726
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,039
ones that could leave, right, whether you know, they could

1727
01:53:48,039 --> 01:53:51,239
scrape together enough to fucking get on a boat or whatever.

1728
01:53:53,079 --> 01:53:57,039
So all the doctors, all the administrators, the competent people,

1729
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:02,680
the security people, the military people like, they all fucking left.

1730
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:08,840
And in order to stabilize the regime of the people,

1731
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,880
all of these professional people, professional military people all had

1732
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:16,000
to come in from Cuba, and over a period of

1733
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:20,119
thirty years that just metastasized to basically the entire security

1734
01:54:20,119 --> 01:54:25,279
apparatus of Venezuela was Cuban. Look into it, you'll find out,

1735
01:54:25,319 --> 01:54:29,880
I'm right. So you weren't going to get somebody to

1736
01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:34,239
betray Maduro. Right, you weren't going to get his generals

1737
01:54:34,439 --> 01:54:38,880
or whatever, or his vice president or whatever to basically

1738
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:43,039
betray him and turn himself in, right, Like that part

1739
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:48,239
is legit, right, Like, yeah, there is probably a diplomatic

1740
01:54:48,319 --> 01:54:52,720
deal being done between China or Russia, most likely Russia,

1741
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:58,079
because the Chinese diplomats were, I don't know, sitting there

1742
01:54:58,079 --> 01:55:01,239
with a thumb up their Assi Dura got snatched away

1743
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:11,319
the Chinese delegation. But to the point the actual extra

1744
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:15,560
like the fucking people, the Venezuelans and the Cubans didn't

1745
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,279
know that a deal just had been made, you know,

1746
01:55:19,079 --> 01:55:25,479
for their future or execution between America and Russia. So

1747
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:29,039
like that part still had to come off. Like those

1748
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:33,800
hundred or so whatever inter security guards they were getting

1749
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,680
whacked like they sorry, like they weren't gonna let you

1750
01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:40,840
take Maduro. They're not part of the Venezuelan operated like

1751
01:55:41,279 --> 01:55:47,239
governance structure. They're from fucking Cuba. So really, as far

1752
01:55:47,239 --> 01:55:53,399
as like the oil, those were our resources, right, Like

1753
01:55:55,439 --> 01:56:02,359
Paul Singer is gonna make some money. He outbid nine

1754
01:56:02,359 --> 01:56:07,039
other people in an auction for the Chevron assets.

1755
01:56:07,079 --> 01:56:11,159
Speaker 1: He didn't actually outbid them. The Court force, the sale

1756
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:12,119
to him.

1757
01:56:12,479 --> 01:56:16,319
Speaker 4: Okay, So if it's between them, we don't actually know

1758
01:56:16,399 --> 01:56:19,439
that he could have bid the same. It doesn't mean

1759
01:56:19,439 --> 01:56:22,680
that the court basically moved him from the bottom of

1760
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,560
nine to the top. Right. Most likely it was between

1761
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:29,359
him and somebody else just like him.

1762
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: Well, let me just like the ruling says.

1763
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 4: I understand the rule. I understand the rule.

1764
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 1: Get into the listener for the listener that, okay, was

1765
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:41,960
that singer Elliott Management was the most likely to actually

1766
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,039
be able to close the deal that they're bidding on,

1767
01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:45,920
more so than the others.

1768
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:50,279
Speaker 4: So basically, Elliott Management probably used i would say, thirty

1769
01:56:50,319 --> 01:56:56,359
percent credit right, and the other party was probably using

1770
01:56:56,399 --> 01:56:58,159
fifty or sixty percent credit.

1771
01:56:59,479 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 5: It.

1772
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,079
Speaker 4: So basically who's putting up the most cash? Right? Thing

1773
01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:06,279
about it? Like a house, are you if you're selling

1774
01:57:06,279 --> 01:57:08,119
your house, do you want to sell to the guy

1775
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:11,439
that's paying cash or do you want to sell your

1776
01:57:11,439 --> 01:57:13,359
house to the guy that has to get a mortgage?

1777
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,119
Because if you sell it to the guy with a

1778
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:20,680
mortgage and something falls through with his mortgage, you have

1779
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:22,840
to relist your house and then it looks like something

1780
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,479
is wrong with it, like oh, this sale blew up.

1781
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:29,880
So somebody backed out. This is it looks bad. So

1782
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,840
the government is going to take the person that has

1783
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:36,039
the most cash, and that could have been as much

1784
01:57:36,079 --> 01:57:40,199
as Paul Singer, you know, calling the people that are

1785
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:45,479
doing the financing for the second bidder and convincing them

1786
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:50,560
to pull financing. Right, So when the judge makes that determination,

1787
01:57:51,279 --> 01:57:53,840
really we don't know. Let's just assume the judge was

1788
01:57:54,279 --> 01:57:57,039
acting in good faith, because really, you if these two people,

1789
01:57:57,239 --> 01:58:00,880
Singer and let's say bitter number two, all right, bidter

1790
01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:05,760
number Singer and number two outbid everybody else up to

1791
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,760
the top, and now it's between those two because it's

1792
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:12,399
not like a bidding like an auction. They're just submitting offers.

1793
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,039
There's not like a back and forth like oh, I'll

1794
01:58:16,079 --> 01:58:20,159
put in more, I'll put in more. The judge is

1795
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:29,479
basically reviewing ten offer letters. So assumably the government acted

1796
01:58:29,479 --> 01:58:31,880
in the government's best interest and took the one that

1797
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:35,880
had the more cash and the least amount of debt financing.

1798
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:41,279
If the judge acted in the best interest, right whatever,

1799
01:58:41,680 --> 01:58:49,039
it doesn't matter. He bought those rights to those to

1800
01:58:49,199 --> 01:58:54,640
the Chevron assets, right that Venezuela. Basically he bought Chevron

1801
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,439
or bought a controlling stake in Chevron.

1802
01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,159
Speaker 1: Right, Sikko, he bought the whole thing.

1803
01:59:00,720 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 4: Sorry, I doubt he has all of it. He just

1804
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:06,479
has to have control of it. There's no reason to

1805
01:59:06,479 --> 01:59:09,159
buy all of it. If I get to have complete

1806
01:59:09,159 --> 01:59:12,680
control of your thing at fifty one percent, why the

1807
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:14,319
fuck would I spend the extra money to get one

1808
01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:14,920
hundred percent.

1809
01:59:15,319 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 1: It's because it was bankrupt, So.

1810
01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:20,079
Speaker 4: You're buying it out of bankruptcy court.

1811
01:59:20,279 --> 01:59:24,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right, So.

1812
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:32,159
Speaker 4: The assets and the claimants things like that, because if

1813
01:59:33,479 --> 01:59:40,399
if the shares are worthless because the company is bankrupt, right,

1814
01:59:40,439 --> 01:59:44,199
then the only thing you're actually buying is the underlying

1815
01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:47,760
assets of the company. That's what goes through bankruptcy court.

1816
01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah right.

1817
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 4: The shareholders get liquidated, right, So the actual shareholders when

1818
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:57,199
we say like, oh, he bought Chevron. Right, So if

1819
01:59:57,520 --> 02:00:04,239
Microsoft goes bankrupt tomorrow, what they're going to do is

1820
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:10,079
they're going to sell all of Microsoft's assets, and that

1821
02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:13,760
money is going the bankruptcy court is going to sell

1822
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:16,479
off all the assets, and that money is going to

1823
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:22,000
be used to pay the bond holders. Yeah right, the shareholders. Right.

1824
02:00:22,039 --> 02:00:23,560
So this is what he said, Like, oh, well, he

1825
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,880
controls all of that. He doesn't need to, right, it's

1826
02:00:26,920 --> 02:00:30,479
the assets you're buying from a bankruptcy court. The shareholders

1827
02:00:30,479 --> 02:00:32,600
get a bath. The only people that get taken care of,

1828
02:00:33,439 --> 02:00:36,840
right are the bond holders, the people that lent Chevron

1829
02:00:36,920 --> 02:00:41,159
money before they went bankrupt. Yeah, there's government will.

1830
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:44,319
Speaker 1: That money billion dollars, but they're only getting six.

1831
02:00:45,359 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 4: Yep, Well, should have went bankrupt.

1832
02:00:50,039 --> 02:00:52,640
Speaker 1: What's the difference between bankruptcy and insolvency?

1833
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 4: Is it the same thing insolvency? A person, a company

1834
02:00:56,680 --> 02:01:00,439
can exist in a state of insolvency. Right. That's like

1835
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:05,680
saying having cancer and dying of cancer, gotcha? All right,

1836
02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:09,359
So if you're insolvent, you need to fucking do something

1837
02:01:09,359 --> 02:01:13,119
about it. Like a lot of the European governments right

1838
02:01:13,159 --> 02:01:14,079
now are insolvent.

1839
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,199
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, that makes sense.

1840
02:01:17,439 --> 02:01:24,800
Speaker 4: So basically Elliott Management specializes in restructuring fucked up shit, right,

1841
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:27,880
So they're like house flippers, Right, They're gonna buy these

1842
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:34,199
foreclosed assets, remodel the house quickly, and flip it. That's

1843
02:01:34,199 --> 02:01:37,800
what he's gonna do, and he'll probably make some money

1844
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,680
doing it, and he'll probably get the US government to

1845
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:43,880
throw in some money for the remodel who knows doesn't matter.

1846
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:48,800
What actually matters is Guyana right next door.

1847
02:01:50,279 --> 02:01:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to break Yana is.

1848
02:01:52,000 --> 02:02:01,039
Speaker 4: The actual prize, right, Guyana is ours? And it does

1849
02:02:01,079 --> 02:02:03,920
like people are getting distracted. People are getting distracted about

1850
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:07,840
like the Venezuelan oil, which is shit. There's not a

1851
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:13,520
lot of it, and they're forgetting like we own the

1852
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:19,199
Saudi Arabia right next door, and the Saudi Arabia right

1853
02:02:19,239 --> 02:02:25,680
next door is as fucking poorly defended, and like like

1854
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:29,439
the Saudis don't have an army per se. There's only

1855
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,640
like I don't know, a couple million Saudi citizens total,

1856
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,920
I think less. I think it's just over a million

1857
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:39,520
or two million, all right, that's not enough to raise

1858
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:43,760
any considerable type of army. So if I ran, we're

1859
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:45,840
to ever be like, hey, you want to know what

1860
02:02:46,640 --> 02:02:49,119
are oil is shitty? We don't have a lot of it,

1861
02:02:50,319 --> 02:02:53,399
and China and Russia have our back and they want

1862
02:02:53,479 --> 02:02:57,600
us to do this, so we're going to invade Saudi Arabia.

1863
02:02:58,039 --> 02:03:00,439
Saudi Arabia is no way of defending itself. Like this

1864
02:03:00,479 --> 02:03:05,880
is basically the dynamic between Guyana, where Exxon's real find

1865
02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:10,720
is where like the real prize is it's the biggest

1866
02:03:10,720 --> 02:03:14,159
oil find in the last fifty years. Like it. Basically

1867
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:25,239
it makes Saudi Arabia look like nothing. It's huge. Guyana

1868
02:03:25,279 --> 02:03:28,560
as a country is like Saudi Arabia as a country.

1869
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,600
These people have no way of defending themselves. It's a

1870
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:38,680
fucking nothing state, nothing government. And Venezuela largely I think

1871
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:44,880
at the behest of China and Russia had made actual

1872
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:51,239
military incursions into Saudi into Yeah, Saudi Arabia into Guyana

1873
02:03:51,279 --> 02:03:57,359
twice and basically last I checked, it's the open stated

1874
02:03:57,359 --> 02:04:02,359
policy of the Maduro government too, basically conquer their next

1875
02:04:02,399 --> 02:04:08,279
door neighbor, Guyana, where all of arror fucking where the

1876
02:04:08,319 --> 02:04:12,720
real money is that Exxon is all set up and extracting.

1877
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:18,640
Whether he's going to do that or not, who knows.

1878
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:22,119
But the Chinese were basically using it as a lever

1879
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:26,520
against the US in talks right like, Oh, you want

1880
02:04:26,520 --> 02:04:30,560
to fuck with mean Chips and Taiwan, how about I

1881
02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:36,680
fuck with you in Guyana through my proxy. You're fucking

1882
02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:39,640
with me through Taiwan your proxy. I'm gonna fuck with

1883
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:45,279
you through my proxy. That's what this actually was, and

1884
02:04:45,319 --> 02:04:48,920
this is what makes fucking The messaging around the whole

1885
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:53,199
Venezuela thing so stupid because it's not that heart of

1886
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:56,159
a fucking concept. This is the problem with the Trump

1887
02:04:56,199 --> 02:05:02,439
administration writ large d People who are actually fucking retards

1888
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:09,720
think that average American people are fucking retards, right American. Like,

1889
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:12,039
if I were to just break that down, I think

1890
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:15,760
ninety percent of people in the country would have been

1891
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:17,319
able to understand what I just said. It's not that

1892
02:05:17,439 --> 02:05:23,720
fucking difficult. Problem is is Trump and Trump's team, at

1893
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:26,279
least the media team, the people that are doing this

1894
02:05:26,359 --> 02:05:30,960
stage managing think that this is too too much for

1895
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:34,880
people to wrap their heads around. So we're going to

1896
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:38,359
do this fake drugs bullshit and now it's gonna be

1897
02:05:38,359 --> 02:05:40,840
then that are going to look retarded. So Paul Singer, Yeah,

1898
02:05:40,880 --> 02:05:44,800
it's gonna make some fucking money. But if you live

1899
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:54,399
in zog, Jews are gonna make money because they're outsize representations, right, So,

1900
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:59,399
like they make up most hedge fund managers, they make

1901
02:05:59,439 --> 02:06:02,399
up most equity managers. This little two percent has got like,

1902
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,680
you know, forty percent of hedge fund managers and like

1903
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:09,760
fifty percent of private equity fund managers, and so on

1904
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:12,760
and so forth. So just in the course of fucking

1905
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:18,960
the empire doing its operating, there's going to be somewhere that,

1906
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:24,039
you know, it's like it's like playing beer pong with

1907
02:06:24,520 --> 02:06:28,840
you know, one hundred cups on the other side. Right,

1908
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:32,640
chances are like that ball is going to land at

1909
02:06:32,640 --> 02:06:37,319
a cup. That doesn't necessarily mean that the whole thing

1910
02:06:37,479 --> 02:06:42,439
was designed and operated and orchestrated by the cup. I

1911
02:06:42,439 --> 02:06:45,359
think it's a combination of both and instead of either or.

1912
02:06:46,279 --> 02:06:48,159
And this is the problem with the fucking discourse on

1913
02:06:48,199 --> 02:06:51,439
the right, just period. It's the same thing with the

1914
02:06:51,439 --> 02:06:55,119
fucking Somalis. Right, I can do both of these things

1915
02:06:55,159 --> 02:07:01,359
at the same time. I can hey Somalis and want

1916
02:07:01,399 --> 02:07:06,800
them to fuck out of my country and also not

1917
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:11,960
support you know, fucking Israel stupid Somali Land bullshit. I

1918
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:15,119
don't care if Nick whatever his name, Nick Sarta, the

1919
02:07:15,279 --> 02:07:22,520
fucking guy that you know discovered the Somali thing is

1920
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:27,399
a fucking zioshill who cares. I want these people to

1921
02:07:27,399 --> 02:07:32,279
fuck out of my country. Oh well, demonizing you know,

1922
02:07:32,399 --> 02:07:35,079
this is just as really an op to get you

1923
02:07:35,159 --> 02:07:39,439
to support Somali Land and get the fucking it gets

1924
02:07:39,479 --> 02:07:43,000
you to hate Arabs over like, no, No, these are

1925
02:07:43,079 --> 02:07:51,680
fucking creatures that if any fucking founding father ever came across, right,

1926
02:07:52,279 --> 02:07:59,000
if George Washington ever came across a Somalian, he would

1927
02:07:59,079 --> 02:08:04,399
cleave an acts into his forehead and probably go run

1928
02:08:04,439 --> 02:08:08,880
to the nearest church and say, a horrible demon has

1929
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:13,960
broken out of the gates of Hell and accosted me.

1930
02:08:14,640 --> 02:08:19,600
You know, in my field, these people like are monsters

1931
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:23,319
that just should not be here at all. They're repulsive.

1932
02:08:24,760 --> 02:08:27,560
So me wanting like that, I don't give a fuck

1933
02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:30,560
if that's served, Like, oh, well, you're serving Israel by

1934
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,760
hating fucking Arabs or whatever. Like, No, I can hate

1935
02:08:33,800 --> 02:08:36,319
both of these people at the same time. I have

1936
02:08:36,479 --> 02:08:39,520
so much hate in me, in fact, that I can

1937
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:42,520
hate two or three whole groups of people at the

1938
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:47,560
same fucking time. I can hate Venezuelans at the same

1939
02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:51,279
time as I hate fucking Lindsey Graham. I can hate

1940
02:08:51,319 --> 02:08:55,319
Maduro and Lindsay Graham at the same time. I can

1941
02:08:55,319 --> 02:09:04,000
hate China, Venezuela, and Israel and Somalia all at the

1942
02:09:04,039 --> 02:09:07,840
same time. I've got that much hate, and I think

1943
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:08,600
most people do.

1944
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:11,399
Speaker 1: Too, And it's easy.

1945
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like really, like this whole like you have to

1946
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:15,079
be on this side or that side, Like, no, I

1947
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:16,560
can just hate everyone here.

1948
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:22,199
Speaker 1: So to your point, and it's very obvious. A lot

1949
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:24,600
of the bullshit that we're trying to cut through is

1950
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:29,319
just obvious bullshit. Thomas mentioned that the indictment against Madua

1951
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:34,399
was drawn up by fucking what was the Attorney general's

1952
02:09:34,439 --> 02:09:38,680
name but Bill Barr in twenty twenty. Okay, so they've

1953
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:41,119
been wanting to go after Venezuela since at least then,

1954
02:09:41,159 --> 02:09:43,520
and they want to have been taken Maduro out since

1955
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,800
at least then. But everyone knows it goes before that, right.

1956
02:09:47,239 --> 02:09:49,760
Paul Singer didn't buy nit Goo until the beginning of

1957
02:09:49,800 --> 02:09:53,560
December of twenty twenty five. So it's not like Paul

1958
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:56,560
Singer is this puppet master. He is a puppet master,

1959
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,600
but not in the way people want to think the

1960
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,600
Jews are puppet masters. It's not like Paul Singer would

1961
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:04,680
like had his sights on Sitko this whole time and

1962
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:07,199
forced the United States government to overthrow mcduro.

1963
02:10:07,319 --> 02:10:07,359
Speaker 5: No.

1964
02:10:07,479 --> 02:10:09,079
Speaker 1: I think we were probably gonna do this back in

1965
02:10:09,159 --> 02:10:11,960
twenty twenty one, but Trump lost because the election was

1966
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:14,439
stolen from him, And now we're just getting back to

1967
02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:18,800
the original plan and he sees the money on the table,

1968
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:20,920
so he jumps in to buy it. And if he

1969
02:10:21,039 --> 02:10:23,840
pulled any strings, it was with the It wasn't a judge.

1970
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:27,199
It was like a special magistrate or something who was

1971
02:10:27,279 --> 02:10:30,640
reviewing the bids on sitgo, and he was the one

1972
02:10:30,680 --> 02:10:33,439
who recommended to the judge, this is who you should

1973
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:37,520
sell it to. That's the guy who chose Paul Singer's firm.

1974
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:40,479
Not only is that guy Jewish, that guy was sitting

1975
02:10:40,479 --> 02:10:43,479
on the board of the ADL when it received millions

1976
02:10:43,479 --> 02:10:48,880
of dollars from Paul Ballfinger and Gold Reserve, one of

1977
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:53,039
the companies that did not get chosen, is now filing

1978
02:10:53,079 --> 02:10:54,560
in court. I don't know if they're suing or if

1979
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:57,199
they're just issuing a paper. I think they just issued

1980
02:10:57,239 --> 02:10:58,640
a paper for right now. I don't know if they're

1981
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:01,039
going to stick with this that they were saying that

1982
02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:03,960
the fact that that guy took money from Paul Singer's

1983
02:11:04,199 --> 02:11:09,199
firm and is now management company and is now right

1984
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,880
granting that to him. And by the way, let's keep

1985
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:14,079
in mind here we talked about Tittok and Larry Ellison.

1986
02:11:14,279 --> 02:11:18,720
He also was outbid and the court determined that he

1987
02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:22,359
should get TikTok. That's the way in which they manipulate

1988
02:11:22,399 --> 02:11:25,720
the outcomes. It's they're just they see the pie and

1989
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:29,359
they take the biggest pieces and we don't get any crumbs.

1990
02:11:29,439 --> 02:11:32,680
We don't get any crumbs. If Paul Singer has sit

1991
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,960
goo then and Stormy me and you talked about this

1992
02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:38,800
off off the record. But if he's getting sick goo,

1993
02:11:39,399 --> 02:11:42,439
the American people are not getting cheap oil. And you

1994
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:45,319
even said this to me in private, like the oil

1995
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,439
or maybe no, I think actually I was talking a

1996
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:49,479
dagger about this, But I think you would agree with

1997
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:53,680
this next statement, which is that the oil companies themselves,

1998
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,840
no matter who got sitgo, they're not just gonna dump

1999
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,479
one hundred million barrels of oil on the market tomorrow

2000
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:01,520
and drive all their own prices down. They want to

2001
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:04,399
keep it steady. They want to keep it steady. Yeah,

2002
02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:07,640
you know Trump is saying that he's going to dump

2003
02:12:07,680 --> 02:12:08,760
fifty to Also.

2004
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:12,439
Speaker 4: It'll take a fucking half a decade right to get

2005
02:12:12,439 --> 02:12:14,840
That's another one out of there. This is what I'm

2006
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:16,359
trying to tell people, Like, if you think this is

2007
02:12:16,399 --> 02:12:19,920
a fucking win, that's going to help him for the midterms,

2008
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:23,359
that fucking oil isn't going to be online till after

2009
02:12:23,439 --> 02:12:26,000
twenty twenty eight, Like, what are you talking about?

2010
02:12:26,520 --> 02:12:29,600
Speaker 1: Yep, it's all this is obvious stuff. And Trump said

2011
02:12:29,600 --> 02:12:31,680
he's going to put fifty to one hundred million barrels

2012
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:35,319
on the market now talking about the midterms. Right, that's

2013
02:12:35,359 --> 02:12:38,239
the kind of thing that he can do to try

2014
02:12:38,239 --> 02:12:40,960
to like ensure a Republican victory in the midterms is

2015
02:12:41,039 --> 02:12:44,359
drive oil prices down by doing that and saying I

2016
02:12:44,399 --> 02:12:46,760
did this for you, by you know, taking out Maduro.

2017
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:48,600
Speaker 4: And doing well, this is the other thing. I don't

2018
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:49,479
think that's going to happen.

2019
02:12:50,199 --> 02:12:54,399
Speaker 1: I'm skeptical of it, but so are being.

2020
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:59,920
Speaker 4: Settled by twenty Okay, so midterms. Anybody that's run congressional

2021
02:13:00,039 --> 02:13:06,039
campaigns or worked on them will know this. I had

2022
02:13:06,039 --> 02:13:10,079
a I was, you know, on a on a zoom

2023
02:13:10,119 --> 02:13:13,199
call with somebody that had and they were basically breaking

2024
02:13:13,279 --> 02:13:16,199
I mean it was a fucking boomer who was telling

2025
02:13:16,239 --> 02:13:20,039
me how like they're going to be fixing the Republican

2026
02:13:20,239 --> 02:13:23,920
telling this to other boomers and me about how they're

2027
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:28,640
going to fix the Republican, messaging about how like, you know,

2028
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,199
basically saying, oh, my god, I wanted to die, dude.

2029
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:35,640
I wanted to fucking scream. He's like, yeah, there's a

2030
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:39,359
real the way, the fucking the way Trump and the

2031
02:13:39,399 --> 02:13:42,720
Party is addressing this affordability thing just is not working.

2032
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:44,800
You know. There's a lot of people that are really

2033
02:13:44,840 --> 02:13:47,760
really hurting and they're just not going to vote. And

2034
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,800
then I was like, Oh, he's getting it. Oh he's

2035
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,479
getting it. Oh amazing. And then he goes, yeah, there

2036
02:13:53,479 --> 02:13:57,560
are just some you know, ethnic cohorts that have basically

2037
02:13:57,600 --> 02:14:01,279
been left out of the economy and all the you know,

2038
02:14:01,359 --> 02:14:04,600
the great economic success from like you know, really from

2039
02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:08,000
like nineteen ninety onwards, they didn't get to participate in

2040
02:14:08,039 --> 02:14:10,680
any of this. So they need to know what, you know,

2041
02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:13,359
what's going to be, you know, we need to do

2042
02:14:13,439 --> 02:14:17,600
something for them. And I was like, I just touched,

2043
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:20,159
like I touched my meat button. Was like, so, you

2044
02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:26,239
mean like minorities and he's like yeah, yeah. I put

2045
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:29,840
myself back on mute and I'm screaming at the top

2046
02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:34,119
of my fucking lungs. And this guy has a lot

2047
02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:38,880
of power, Like, this guy's not a nobody. And it

2048
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:43,279
was about like seventy five whatever, and then he goes

2049
02:14:43,319 --> 02:14:46,199
on to basically describe how, you know, how the midterms

2050
02:14:46,199 --> 02:14:50,399
are decided, and he said, like the midterms are races

2051
02:14:50,439 --> 02:14:53,399
about like they're they're basically the only that matters of

2052
02:14:53,439 --> 02:14:59,159
the primaries, right, and the races are basically decided by September, right,

2053
02:14:59,319 --> 02:15:02,640
like the real mid terms, like the midterms actually start

2054
02:15:02,760 --> 02:15:08,359
campaigning needs to start in July. So Trump's got six

2055
02:15:08,399 --> 02:15:13,800
months less and this is all gonna be decided, all

2056
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:18,880
said and done by September and one month earlier, so

2057
02:15:19,039 --> 02:15:24,119
August and June for states that do early early voting,

2058
02:15:24,199 --> 02:15:29,319
which is like half of them. So there's just isn't

2059
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:35,760
enough time, right, Like some guy was chimping out of me,

2060
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:38,600
Oh you're a trader, Like, oh, you're just trying to

2061
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:41,880
sew panic about Trump losing the midterms, Like all right, yeah,

2062
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:45,680
well tell me why, tell me why he's gonna win, Like, oh,

2063
02:15:45,800 --> 02:15:49,319
fifteen thousand DHS agents are going to come online and

2064
02:15:49,359 --> 02:15:53,279
then he's send in two thousand DHS agents to tou

2065
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:57,279
to Minneapolis and they're gonna they're gonna deport one hundred

2066
02:15:57,279 --> 02:16:01,760
thousand Somalis. And also, like this, Venezuela's name is like

2067
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:03,920
a big thing, for the big win for the base.

2068
02:16:05,279 --> 02:16:09,159
I was like, they're gonna forget about this in six

2069
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:15,000
months and unless unless the only way they're gonna remember

2070
02:16:15,039 --> 02:16:18,079
this is if Trump decides to make this like a

2071
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:23,600
big thing and poor resources and people into Venezuela, and

2072
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:26,439
then it's gonna have the opposite effect. All Right, So

2073
02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:30,479
this may if he keeps Venezuela relevant and in the

2074
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:34,559
discourse six months from now, it'll be at his fucking failure.

2075
02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:37,360
Because that don't mean like the American people are going

2076
02:16:37,440 --> 02:16:39,600
to see like this up here comes the quagmire again

2077
02:16:41,760 --> 02:16:44,200
and all of the DHS stuff that that guy said, like,

2078
02:16:44,319 --> 02:16:47,440
none of that is going to matter in six months.

2079
02:16:48,879 --> 02:16:54,280
They wanted a domestic president. He campaigned on nothing but

2080
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:58,360
domestic issues. He's like, Oh yeah, we're going to get

2081
02:16:58,360 --> 02:17:02,440
out of all this stuff overseas, no more wars, and

2082
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:07,000
we're gonna now basically stop the fucking foreign policy government,

2083
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,879
and we're going to stop immigration. We're going to send

2084
02:17:11,879 --> 02:17:19,760
people back home. We are going to onshore manufacturing, I mean,

2085
02:17:19,799 --> 02:17:22,639
all the other stuff. And it's just been because of

2086
02:17:22,639 --> 02:17:26,760
Benjamin Att and Yahoo, right that the very people he

2087
02:17:26,879 --> 02:17:32,639
sacrificed his administration to help are going to be the

2088
02:17:32,680 --> 02:17:35,959
same people that throw him under the fucking bus after

2089
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:36,840
he's out of the office.

2090
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 1: They don't care who who is the president.

2091
02:17:39,399 --> 02:17:41,239
Speaker 4: They exactly, they don't give a ship.

2092
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:42,040
Speaker 5: Yep.

2093
02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:46,079
Speaker 1: They'll make sure they don't lose. They don't care if

2094
02:17:46,079 --> 02:17:48,440
the Republicans lose. Not that I even like the republic

2095
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:50,440
I mean, Stormy, let me ask you, exactly, at this

2096
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:53,680
point do we even fucking want them to win the midterms?

2097
02:17:53,680 --> 02:17:55,639
At this point when they're running people like Vvek and

2098
02:17:55,799 --> 02:17:58,959
Randy Fine and they're fucking telling Marjorie Taylor Green to

2099
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:00,319
fuck off and forcing.

2100
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:03,319
Speaker 4: This is another thing like you basically took a lady

2101
02:18:03,319 --> 02:18:07,000
that was loyalty from the very beginning. Yeah, and you

2102
02:18:07,159 --> 02:18:13,600
fucking hammered her to across over Israel. The base doesn't

2103
02:18:13,799 --> 02:18:18,399
want the Epstein files released because they think it's some

2104
02:18:18,600 --> 02:18:23,280
SORTI pedophilia scandal or whatever. Right, it's not. They don't

2105
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:27,239
want this. Everyone needs to really give credit to like

2106
02:18:27,360 --> 02:18:28,760
where the normy brain is at.

2107
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:29,639
Speaker 5: Yep.

2108
02:18:29,799 --> 02:18:32,760
Speaker 4: I agree, and I will say like that. It's why I

2109
02:18:32,799 --> 02:18:36,280
don't like disparaging them and I won't and I love

2110
02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:40,719
them dearly. I think like the average just you know,

2111
02:18:41,319 --> 02:18:45,280
normal American is probably one of the most you know,

2112
02:18:45,399 --> 02:18:50,200
decent people on the planet. And uh, like anybody that's

2113
02:18:50,200 --> 02:18:56,239
ever like broken down on the side of the road,

2114
02:18:57,360 --> 02:19:01,559
when some old fucking boomer in a pickup truck pulls over,

2115
02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:09,520
there's a you will have a an audible sigh of relief.

2116
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,360
And I've been all around the world and that just

2117
02:19:13,399 --> 02:19:18,120
doesn't exist anywhere. Right, So the average American, as politically

2118
02:19:18,159 --> 02:19:21,159
retarded as he is, is probably one of the most

2119
02:19:21,159 --> 02:19:24,799
decent people on the fucking planet. So it's really kind

2120
02:19:24,799 --> 02:19:26,360
of shitty that they actually have to focus on this

2121
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:28,360
shit at all. And it's not their fault they don't

2122
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:31,959
understand it. But like when it comes to like whether

2123
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:34,319
we should be do we even want conservatives to win,

2124
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:43,159
that's a that's a really good question. On the inquisition,

2125
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:49,319
we were the first people to uh basically call out

2126
02:19:49,360 --> 02:19:52,360
that there is basically, you know, now everyone has come

2127
02:19:52,399 --> 02:19:55,639
to the realization that there are factions vying for power

2128
02:19:55,799 --> 02:19:59,639
inside the Trump government. Right, there's like two things going on.

2129
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:10,479
And from from what Mark Mark Mitchell says, Vance and

2130
02:20:10,559 --> 02:20:16,959
Hegseth get it, Like, so basically this is a generational conflict, right,

2131
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:21,040
the boomers and the Zionists. Really we say that, oh,

2132
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:25,200
like once the boomers are gone, Zionism is over. That's

2133
02:20:25,239 --> 02:20:29,600
the same mechanism inside the administration, right, Like, the only

2134
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:34,360
reason that any of these people have any play right

2135
02:20:35,559 --> 02:20:44,040
is uh is because of age. So frankly, I I

2136
02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:48,200
may say, I don't think we should support anyone over fifty.

2137
02:20:48,360 --> 02:20:56,760
I don't care. Right in twenty twenty eight the midterms, Like,

2138
02:20:56,840 --> 02:21:02,079
I don't know. This generational divide in this is really

2139
02:21:02,360 --> 02:21:06,239
kind of the biggest thing I think inside the administration.

2140
02:21:06,479 --> 02:21:10,600
So if fucking people in their sixties and seventies that

2141
02:21:10,639 --> 02:21:13,319
don't want to fucking retire and want to still try

2142
02:21:13,319 --> 02:21:15,000
and pretend to be relevant, if they want to run

2143
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:16,840
the Republican Party, then no, I don't want them to win.

2144
02:21:17,719 --> 02:21:21,159
It would be better if they fucking failed. But in

2145
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,319
the end, we're going to have to step over these people.

2146
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:27,559
So it's like, basically, what you're saying is do we

2147
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:30,840
want them to buy themselves more time or not? I

2148
02:21:30,879 --> 02:21:36,799
don't know. I don't know whether. I don't know how

2149
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:40,079
to answer that because I don't know what Trump is

2150
02:21:40,159 --> 02:21:43,520
going to do to try and buy our votes between

2151
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:48,600
now and then. Every Somalian knows why he votes Democrat

2152
02:21:49,719 --> 02:21:55,079
every fucking one, So I want to know why I

2153
02:21:55,079 --> 02:21:58,680
should vote Republican or why I should vote for any

2154
02:21:58,719 --> 02:22:02,799
of these fagots in the midterms, Like may make me

2155
02:22:03,239 --> 02:22:05,799
want to do that, like you've made the Democrats have

2156
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,239
made the Somalians want to do it.

2157
02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:12,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think if he's fucking.

2158
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:15,079
Speaker 4: Bribe me, but just show me that you're doing things

2159
02:22:15,079 --> 02:22:15,360
for me.

2160
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:18,680
Speaker 1: I think if he does put fifty two one hundred

2161
02:22:18,719 --> 02:22:22,120
million barrels on the market along with the money saving

2162
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:24,520
that will be putting people's pockets from the Big Beautiful

2163
02:22:24,520 --> 02:22:26,280
Bill which is going to go through, which is going

2164
02:22:26,280 --> 02:22:28,360
through now, which people are going to start to see

2165
02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:32,120
the results of soon, that would help him a lot.

2166
02:22:32,159 --> 02:22:34,040
And I think he knows that, And I think he's

2167
02:22:34,079 --> 02:22:36,280
saying this because he knows that. I just don't know

2168
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:38,760
if the people who I don't want to say control

2169
02:22:38,840 --> 02:22:41,040
him but influence him and have his ear, will allow

2170
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:43,399
any of that to happen. I mean, the Big Beautiful

2171
02:22:43,399 --> 02:22:47,159
Bill went through, but the oil thing, I'll believe it

2172
02:22:47,159 --> 02:22:49,639
when I see it. But that's the type of thing

2173
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,840
he would do to like capture the normies back and

2174
02:22:52,879 --> 02:22:55,079
make them forget about you know Epstein and all that shit.

2175
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:03,280
You're muted Stormy.

2176
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:07,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, I'm not a fucking filthy Indian like Vivek Ramaswami.

2177
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:09,799
I mute myself and I take a piss.

2178
02:23:10,360 --> 02:23:12,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, I want to mention to the listener.

2179
02:23:12,879 --> 02:23:16,200
A lot of times it sounds like Stormy's taking a piss,

2180
02:23:16,719 --> 02:23:19,399
but he's filling up his water bottle. Yeah, I was.

2181
02:23:19,799 --> 02:23:21,559
I was gonna mute you one time. I was, what

2182
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:23,159
the fuck? And then I saw it. You were filling

2183
02:23:23,159 --> 02:23:24,959
your water bottle up. So if you if you guys

2184
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:27,479
think you hear Stormy pissing, it's he's filling up.

2185
02:23:27,799 --> 02:23:30,319
Speaker 4: You generally hear like clinking of glass or something like

2186
02:23:30,319 --> 02:23:30,959
that as well.

2187
02:23:31,079 --> 02:23:33,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know people. I don't know if anybody's

2188
02:23:33,319 --> 02:23:34,879
gonna believe me or not, but it's true.

2189
02:23:35,559 --> 02:23:37,920
Speaker 4: Who cares? I Well, let's put this away. Maybe we'll

2190
02:23:37,920 --> 02:23:40,159
give them like an audio sample of what me taking

2191
02:23:40,159 --> 02:23:42,239
a piss sounds like, and then they can compare and contrast.

2192
02:23:43,559 --> 02:23:49,120
But like with h, so, do we want these people

2193
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:49,440
to win?

2194
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:56,639
Speaker 1: Not Vvek. I don't think he's gonna win. So now

2195
02:23:56,680 --> 02:24:01,639
he's sunk, we're gonna get a fucking it's just what

2196
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:03,879
they did in Virginia. So you talked, you talked about

2197
02:24:03,879 --> 02:24:07,200
this on the show. Yeah, the gop ran a fucking

2198
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:10,000
like literal Jamaican woman who was like speaking platois.

2199
02:24:11,479 --> 02:24:20,520
Speaker 4: And if unless I really hope Fishback really stops this

2200
02:24:20,760 --> 02:24:23,600
abortion thing, he's going to close. If you notice, his

2201
02:24:23,639 --> 02:24:26,639
policies are great, but somebody has convinced him of this

2202
02:24:26,719 --> 02:24:29,799
poison pill of I'm going to ban all abortion clinics

2203
02:24:29,879 --> 02:24:34,440
in Florida. That is, that's a poison pill. There's a

2204
02:24:34,559 --> 02:24:40,799
reason that no politician says that, or why when Lindsey

2205
02:24:40,840 --> 02:24:44,559
Graham was trying to sabotage the Republicans in the twenty

2206
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:47,719
and the run into the twenty twenty four election, he

2207
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:49,639
was saying that, yeah, we need to we need to

2208
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:54,000
fuck They know it's a poison pill. They know it is.

2209
02:24:54,040 --> 02:25:00,879
So either James Fishback is an elaborate experiment to basically

2210
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:08,040
how to go about doing rhetoric in like the fucking post,

2211
02:25:08,879 --> 02:25:14,440
you know, breakout of containment of like the dissident right spheres,

2212
02:25:17,559 --> 02:25:20,280
which I mean the person that the person that's running

2213
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:27,280
his campaign is is is really tightly affiliated with the Santis.

2214
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:30,719
So it makes me wonder, right. I don't know if

2215
02:25:30,760 --> 02:25:37,520
he knows that, but anyways, you're seeing guys make huge strides,

2216
02:25:38,959 --> 02:25:45,000
like the guy in Ohio that's basically fucking bodying Vivek

2217
02:25:46,520 --> 02:25:49,000
in like two weeks. This guy's come out of nowhere.

2218
02:25:50,079 --> 02:25:55,360
And you know, these people are that unpopular. Zionism is unpopular,

2219
02:25:57,600 --> 02:26:02,879
h one b fucking Indians are on like literally fucking

2220
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:08,680
no one likes Indians, not even other Indians. So this

2221
02:26:08,799 --> 02:26:10,879
has been gone going on for as long as it

2222
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:18,159
has because they've effectively clipped any challenges, any alternatives, very

2223
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:21,239
very early. But in the age of social media, you

2224
02:26:21,319 --> 02:26:26,559
can't do that anymore. So I don't know, man, you

2225
02:26:26,680 --> 02:26:29,280
got fucking guys running for governor that have really good

2226
02:26:29,360 --> 02:26:38,600
shots on anti Zionism and they're blowing up. So I

2227
02:26:38,600 --> 02:26:39,000
don't know.

2228
02:26:39,079 --> 02:26:44,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned this on the show before. Yeah, I

2229
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,280
have to get going soon, but I'm trying to hold

2230
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:48,639
out for him, he said, he was.

2231
02:26:49,680 --> 02:26:53,200
Speaker 4: Oh, but I don't have much time left either.

2232
02:26:54,159 --> 02:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Your point about anti Zionism, they're really like begging for

2233
02:26:58,559 --> 02:27:03,000
a fucking anti Zionist Muslim candidate to come out of

2234
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:07,079
the left, and because the left is like totally totally

2235
02:27:07,079 --> 02:27:12,040
against Zionism now and the former left that you can't

2236
02:27:12,040 --> 02:27:14,000
really call the left anymore, I don't I guess I

2237
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:16,600
don't know who we could call. These people the libertarian

2238
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:19,959
sort of left that defected from the left that now

2239
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:23,079
are Trump supporters or were Trump supporters, like, all of

2240
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:27,159
those people are anti Zionist. So I don't think the

2241
02:27:27,239 --> 02:27:32,840
Zionists would allow a mainstream Democrat or Republican candidate to

2242
02:27:33,479 --> 02:27:37,159
campaign or win on anti Zionism. And Trump never Trump

2243
02:27:37,200 --> 02:27:39,879
is never an anti Zionist, So if it's going to

2244
02:27:39,959 --> 02:27:43,000
happen organically, it would be from I think a Muslim.

2245
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:48,520
And as much as I don't like Mom Donnie, he

2246
02:27:48,520 --> 02:27:51,799
he got a lot of cachet from being anti Zionists,

2247
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:55,760
and he's popular for all of his terrible, fucking retarded bullshit.

2248
02:27:56,159 --> 02:28:01,079
He is popular among the anti zionist left, and they don't,

2249
02:28:01,280 --> 02:28:03,440
you know, they don't see all the other shit, so

2250
02:28:03,479 --> 02:28:08,520
they're really asking for it. And I see Trump by

2251
02:28:08,559 --> 02:28:12,120
allowing this sort of thing to like Brew, he's fucking

2252
02:28:12,239 --> 02:28:14,879
us long term by not putting his foot down with

2253
02:28:14,920 --> 02:28:15,399
these people.

2254
02:28:17,399 --> 02:28:18,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, he really is.

2255
02:28:19,360 --> 02:28:21,520
Speaker 1: Vance is in a tough place, man, because I think

2256
02:28:21,639 --> 02:28:24,799
Vance gets all this you said, I think you said

2257
02:28:24,799 --> 02:28:28,840
it earlier. Mark Mitchell gets that, vance gets this, Like and.

2258
02:28:28,920 --> 02:28:31,079
Speaker 4: When he knows this firsthand, he went to the White House.

2259
02:28:31,719 --> 02:28:35,000
He's all the stuff that we talk about right on

2260
02:28:35,639 --> 02:28:39,879
the shows like this, Like everyone should go listen to

2261
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:44,680
Jay Burdens interview with him. It's fantastic. But he basically says,

2262
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:49,719
you know, he brought this to fucking Trump, I said

2263
02:28:49,879 --> 02:28:58,319
in his to his face, and Trump didn't get it, like,

2264
02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:01,920
and this is why I think it is generational. And

2265
02:29:01,959 --> 02:29:04,239
this is why, like people can say this is disloyal

2266
02:29:04,360 --> 02:29:08,399
or whatever. I don't give a shit. Frankly, I have

2267
02:29:08,440 --> 02:29:14,000
a loyalty to a people group and that's it. I

2268
02:29:14,040 --> 02:29:16,799
don't have loyalty to Donald Trump, the real estate developer.

2269
02:29:18,639 --> 02:29:21,120
The best thing that could happen to the Republican Party

2270
02:29:21,159 --> 02:29:23,319
is that Donald Trump suddenly steps or sorry, the best

2271
02:29:23,319 --> 02:29:26,280
thing that could happen to the country is that Donald

2272
02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:32,959
Trump suddenly steps down. It's the truth. He just doesn't

2273
02:29:32,959 --> 02:29:38,719
get it when Mark Mitchell told him everything that everyone

2274
02:29:38,719 --> 02:29:41,040
should go listen to Jay burden interview, Like, if you're

2275
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:43,639
listening to this, I would almost say stop listening to

2276
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,360
this right now, check out and listen to interview, then

2277
02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:51,959
come back that it's that good. But you know, like,

2278
02:29:52,079 --> 02:29:54,159
let's say young men not being able to start families

2279
02:29:54,159 --> 02:30:02,239
and buy fucking homes. Donald Trump's response of that verbatim, Oh, well,

2280
02:30:02,280 --> 02:30:05,319
people like their people like their house prices high. They

2281
02:30:05,319 --> 02:30:07,079
wouldn't like it. They wouldn't like it if their house

2282
02:30:07,079 --> 02:30:19,079
prices went down. Okay, So young Americans don't get to

2283
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:30,159
have families like the boomers can't grock certain shit, right,

2284
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:34,200
Trump's gonna be what seventy eight or some shit? How

2285
02:30:34,200 --> 02:30:34,600
old is he?

2286
02:30:34,760 --> 02:30:34,879
Speaker 5: Think?

2287
02:30:34,920 --> 02:30:35,360
Speaker 1: He's eighty?

2288
02:30:35,399 --> 02:30:35,559
Speaker 5: Now?

2289
02:30:36,559 --> 02:30:37,520
Speaker 4: Is he?

2290
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:41,760
Speaker 1: He might be seventy nine, he's seventy nine or eighty?

2291
02:30:42,360 --> 02:30:53,000
Speaker 4: What fucking yeah, he's seventy nine? Like, can we just

2292
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:57,159
be fucking real he's an eighty year old? Like we

2293
02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:00,399
make fun of Mitch McConnell. How old is Mitch McConnell.

2294
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:02,159
Speaker 1: He's like ninety something eight?

2295
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:03,000
Speaker 4: Is he really?

2296
02:31:03,879 --> 02:31:05,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll look it up. He's in his nineties. I

2297
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:15,840
believe that guy's basically a fucking walking corpse. Eighty three,

2298
02:31:16,000 --> 02:31:17,959
Well he's not a young eighty three.

2299
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:23,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Donald Trump is what three years behind? Like,

2300
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:27,120
can these people understand anything that the country is going through,

2301
02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:30,319
like are they physically able to? And it's not, doesn't

2302
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:35,079
make them bad people like the Boomer was literally raised

2303
02:31:35,120 --> 02:31:41,879
in an aquarium full of Jewish propaganda, Like they were

2304
02:31:41,920 --> 02:31:46,760
just dunked in a tank, yes, and never let out,

2305
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:53,360
So it's not their fault. But like, really, like, what

2306
02:31:53,399 --> 02:31:54,120
are we doing here?

2307
02:31:57,319 --> 02:31:57,559
Speaker 5: Well?

2308
02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:00,399
Speaker 1: Put Carl comes in at the eleventh.

2309
02:32:00,120 --> 02:32:03,200
Speaker 5: Hour, Hey fellas, Hey bud.

2310
02:32:04,799 --> 02:32:07,239
Speaker 1: Carl, we're running short on time, but we wanted to

2311
02:32:07,239 --> 02:32:08,840
give you some a few minutes.

2312
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:09,159
Speaker 4: Here.

2313
02:32:10,520 --> 02:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Did we go into Venezuela for the oil? Are we

2314
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:16,719
going to see oil on the market? Was that the

2315
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:19,159
only impetus for Venezuela? Oh?

2316
02:32:19,200 --> 02:32:24,280
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. No, No, I don't know so yeah, I mean

2317
02:32:24,319 --> 02:32:27,200
the oil is a thing. And here and here's the thing.

2318
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:34,239
Stormy cast a non Christian Galician spell in our chat

2319
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:42,319
last week explaining the level of risk associated with the

2320
02:32:42,360 --> 02:32:46,280
sit goo move by Singer. And then of course there's

2321
02:32:46,360 --> 02:32:51,280
the obviously corrupt judge that forced the sale to him

2322
02:32:51,360 --> 02:32:54,319
rather than to the highest bidder, which is in court.

2323
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:58,200
So that's going to continue. But it's not like the

2324
02:32:58,319 --> 02:33:01,440
US government did this because they're like, oh shit, Paul

2325
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:04,879
Singer told us to do it, like it doesn't work

2326
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:09,120
that way. Now, I will say this. I will say this, Uh,

2327
02:33:09,559 --> 02:33:14,559
all of our all of our Middle Eastern nonsense goes

2328
02:33:14,639 --> 02:33:21,200
back to Israel. Yes, it really, it really does. The

2329
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:25,479
The challenge, however, is that we're not going to do

2330
02:33:25,639 --> 02:33:28,840
that again. We're not in a position. We're not in

2331
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:31,840
a position to do a real big boy war, and

2332
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:37,760
a lot of guys are legitimately concerned with the the

2333
02:33:37,799 --> 02:33:43,799
bump that this Venezuela operation gave to certain people, particularly

2334
02:33:43,879 --> 02:33:47,840
in the like in the veteran class of our guys,

2335
02:33:48,399 --> 02:33:52,479
guys who are vets. They're excited by what they see

2336
02:33:52,760 --> 02:33:58,600
because of just the basically they're winning attitude and their

2337
02:33:58,719 --> 02:34:02,040
fuck you were America and we kick ass attitude, which

2338
02:34:02,079 --> 02:34:06,760
is fine. I understand the concerns that everyone has about that.

2339
02:34:06,760 --> 02:34:08,799
That doesn't mean these guys are like, oh, yeah, let's

2340
02:34:08,799 --> 02:34:11,520
get into a meat grinder warrant, send our sons into it.

2341
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:16,000
That's not that's not what's happening. Yeah, sure, there are

2342
02:34:16,040 --> 02:34:19,399
some that we'll fall for it. But this was an

2343
02:34:19,479 --> 02:34:24,559
op that was done in a very controlled way, specifically

2344
02:34:24,639 --> 02:34:31,120
because the United States has totally neglected Latin America for decades,

2345
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:37,079
and I think it was hank Oslo American son posted

2346
02:34:37,120 --> 02:34:40,360
something that pissed a bunch of people off, and then

2347
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:43,280
I quote posted it, and that pissed a bunch of

2348
02:34:43,319 --> 02:34:46,879
people off because they're incapable of understanding this. You're not

2349
02:34:47,319 --> 02:34:51,239
being a tool of Zog by basically saying, here are

2350
02:34:51,319 --> 02:34:57,040
the rules in our playground, and the rules that we

2351
02:34:57,559 --> 02:35:01,840
had in place from eighteen forty eight to about nineteen

2352
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,639
thirty nine are back in play. The way we've done it,

2353
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:09,719
you know, between that time and now was a disaster.

2354
02:35:10,440 --> 02:35:17,079
We're not doing that again. Venezuela has become a playground

2355
02:35:17,399 --> 02:35:27,760
for intelligence operatives from hostile nations astral You've explained the

2356
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:30,559
drug thing very well. The vast majority of the drugs

2357
02:35:30,559 --> 02:35:32,639
that are coming out of there are going to Europe,

2358
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:37,760
not the United States. But here's the thing you're gonna say, Yeah.

2359
02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Just quickly on that point. I said earlier in the

2360
02:35:40,479 --> 02:35:44,120
show that the cocaine from the paramilitaries is going southwest

2361
02:35:44,159 --> 02:35:47,399
to Ecuador and then coming up the Pacific coast and boats.

2362
02:35:47,479 --> 02:35:50,520
That's the cocaine that's going to America. Yes, most, if

2363
02:35:50,559 --> 02:35:53,280
not all, of the cocaine that's going north from the

2364
02:35:53,319 --> 02:35:57,239
north coast of Venezuela and across the Caribbean that's going

2365
02:35:57,280 --> 02:35:57,879
to Europe.

2366
02:35:58,159 --> 02:36:02,479
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, perfect perfectly dated. Now here's something I reposted

2367
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:10,399
some I reposted someone this morning, a let's see what's

2368
02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:16,520
the name of this armas de conflicto America Latina, So

2369
02:36:16,559 --> 02:36:19,399
it's Latin American small arms. And what this person is

2370
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:22,920
doing is they post in Spanish. I think they might

2371
02:36:23,000 --> 02:36:30,280
be in Urgentina, but anyway, very good content. It'll be

2372
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:33,959
translated automatically by Grock for you, or at least you

2373
02:36:34,040 --> 02:36:36,280
might have to click on the thing. And it's showing

2374
02:36:36,360 --> 02:36:38,799
something that I was talking about last time we got together,

2375
02:36:38,840 --> 02:36:43,200
which was Venezuelan AK one h three's showing up in

2376
02:36:43,239 --> 02:36:47,840
the hands of Colombian irregulars and all kinds of shit

2377
02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:54,200
coming through Colombia being part of the Latin American like

2378
02:36:54,760 --> 02:37:00,760
drug network. And it is that they're red caught handed

2379
02:37:01,719 --> 02:37:04,319
and that shit is over. Now here's the other thing.

2380
02:37:06,479 --> 02:37:13,079
People people want to see America fail because they associate

2381
02:37:13,159 --> 02:37:17,840
America with zog right, and like, I understand that perspective,

2382
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:22,680
but the level of failure that it would require to

2383
02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:26,040
not be pleased when you see things that are okay,

2384
02:37:26,520 --> 02:37:29,280
like you might not like this. You might say this

2385
02:37:29,479 --> 02:37:34,680
is dangerously close to colonialism, but it's not. We're not.

2386
02:37:35,799 --> 02:37:37,879
We're going to do this shit with merks. We're going

2387
02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:42,239
to do it with lawyers and banks. And yes, there's

2388
02:37:42,280 --> 02:37:45,360
going to be problems in Venezuela, but Venezuela was a

2389
02:37:45,399 --> 02:37:50,399
problem anyway. We have twenty percent of their population in

2390
02:37:50,440 --> 02:37:54,600
America because of what's been going on, and that was

2391
02:37:54,639 --> 02:37:58,840
a heavily like anti white Indio thing that was that's

2392
02:37:58,879 --> 02:38:02,520
been taking place since like twenty fourteen, and so like

2393
02:38:03,159 --> 02:38:06,159
it's gonna be it's gonna be dealt with. Like people

2394
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:07,799
should not be surprised by this.

2395
02:38:08,280 --> 02:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Jumping in quickly to bolster your point, the trendy at

2396
02:38:11,239 --> 02:38:16,040
Agwa thing that gang became powerful and lucrative through human

2397
02:38:16,040 --> 02:38:19,360
trafficking from Venezuela to America exactly. That's why that gang

2398
02:38:19,399 --> 02:38:21,239
has any power, exactly.

2399
02:38:22,079 --> 02:38:26,000
Speaker 5: And so so yes, it's it's very good to be

2400
02:38:26,120 --> 02:38:30,479
skeptical of the talking points of the administration, but they'll

2401
02:38:30,520 --> 02:38:33,000
still tell you what they're really doing. There'll be other

2402
02:38:33,079 --> 02:38:37,440
bullshit sprinkled in there, the stuff about the drugs coming

2403
02:38:37,479 --> 02:38:40,399
out that's going to Europe and the reason they're blasting

2404
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:44,600
them is the money. And here's the thing. They owe

2405
02:38:44,639 --> 02:38:50,159
lots of money and cause a lot of problems for us.

2406
02:38:50,200 --> 02:38:54,079
And they also and it isn't just Paul Singer, it's

2407
02:38:54,159 --> 02:39:00,360
a lot of people. It's a huge resource. We can

2408
02:39:00,440 --> 02:39:04,120
process that stuff. It is very important that China not

2409
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:09,000
control a resource in our sphere. It's important that Russia

2410
02:39:09,159 --> 02:39:13,239
not like I want Russia to win in Ukraine so

2411
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:16,719
that this so that that war stops and they stop

2412
02:39:16,920 --> 02:39:21,319
sending like white men into meat grinders, you know, Christian

2413
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:25,719
Ukrainians and Russians. That doesn't mean that I want a

2414
02:39:25,959 --> 02:39:30,280
hostile relationship with Russia where we're on each other's borders.

2415
02:39:30,360 --> 02:39:33,280
I don't want America on Russia's border. I don't want

2416
02:39:33,360 --> 02:39:35,879
NATO there. I want NATO to go away. But I

2417
02:39:35,879 --> 02:39:39,920
also don't want those guys in our playground, and especially

2418
02:39:40,360 --> 02:39:45,440
the way that that empowers the shit heels like the Cubans,

2419
02:39:45,799 --> 02:39:49,719
as well as like the Chinese. As Stormy has pointed

2420
02:39:49,760 --> 02:39:53,600
out numerous times, the Chinese basically have naval bases in

2421
02:39:53,639 --> 02:39:57,840
the Caribbean and huge intelligence operations, not to mention obviously

2422
02:39:57,879 --> 02:40:00,239
shit going on in America, but they can be much

2423
02:40:00,280 --> 02:40:06,000
more overt in these rings around us. Remember also that

2424
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:10,559
during the Biden administration that the Chinese were basically running

2425
02:40:10,600 --> 02:40:15,239
the corridors and enabling a lot of shit going from

2426
02:40:15,360 --> 02:40:20,920
Panama up to the United States. This is stuff that

2427
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:24,200
we have to deal with. And you can be like, well,

2428
02:40:24,280 --> 02:40:27,760
I'm deeply concerned about Paul Singer, but that's like, that's

2429
02:40:27,799 --> 02:40:31,399
a level of monomania that is really bad for your

2430
02:40:31,440 --> 02:40:35,639
ability to think. You need, you want to see conditions

2431
02:40:35,719 --> 02:40:39,840
that allow us to recover and gain control, and by

2432
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:43,479
just losing all the time and demanding like total collapse,

2433
02:40:43,559 --> 02:40:46,680
all that'll do is get your children killed. So like

2434
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:50,600
you need to have you need to get a little

2435
02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:54,479
emotional distance when these things happen. Understand there's going to

2436
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:57,920
be stuff that you don't like. Understand that it's complicated.

2437
02:40:58,479 --> 02:41:02,799
But also like people are being bitches man, and and

2438
02:41:02,840 --> 02:41:06,399
they're they're being incontinent and very feminine, and it kind

2439
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:09,559
of drives me crazy to be honest, people, I.

2440
02:41:09,719 --> 02:41:15,559
Speaker 1: Like, there's even talk about uh Maduro, you know, being

2441
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:17,680
a communist, and that's a good thing, Like, no, the

2442
02:41:17,719 --> 02:41:22,040
fuck it's not. And yet they did steal our shit. Okay,

2443
02:41:22,600 --> 02:41:26,280
let's dispel this bullshit right now. Because some people on

2444
02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:28,280
the right are saying that like, oh, they're a sovereign

2445
02:41:28,360 --> 02:41:30,760
nation and that's their oil. Da da da da da. No,

2446
02:41:31,559 --> 02:41:34,639
all that oil was being fucking pumped and refined and

2447
02:41:34,680 --> 02:41:37,360
put on the market by our companies and our money

2448
02:41:37,399 --> 02:41:41,000
and our investors, and they literally fucking stole it. And

2449
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:43,520
what did they use the money for to give fucking

2450
02:41:43,600 --> 02:41:46,719
venice whil and military gear to the paramilitaries who are

2451
02:41:46,719 --> 02:41:50,639
selling drugs like that, That just happened the country. The

2452
02:41:50,680 --> 02:41:55,719
country collapsed and fell apart, became Caracas became the most

2453
02:41:55,799 --> 02:41:58,479
violent city in the world in twenty fifteen, all by

2454
02:41:58,520 --> 02:42:02,000
their own fucking doing. And this goes back to the eighties. Okay,

2455
02:42:02,079 --> 02:42:05,799
their economy kept collapsing because they were so corrupt they

2456
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:09,159
couldn't fuck it. They couldn't run the economy. What happened

2457
02:42:09,159 --> 02:42:11,200
in Ukraine with the way they were skimming money off

2458
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:13,639
the top that we were giving them for, you know,

2459
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:17,000
fortifying their infrastructure, and the way there was that's what

2460
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:20,079
Venezuela was doing with the money they were making off

2461
02:42:20,120 --> 02:42:23,719
the fucking oil sales, to the point where the industry collapsed,

2462
02:42:23,719 --> 02:42:26,200
and then they had to take an IMF bailout and

2463
02:42:26,239 --> 02:42:30,520
then then that plunged, the IMF bailout and the restructuring

2464
02:42:30,559 --> 02:42:32,719
plunged the country into poverty, which was it was like

2465
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:35,719
a First World nation. That's what led to the rise

2466
02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:39,559
of Hugo Chavez, who was an actual communist, and then

2467
02:42:39,680 --> 02:42:43,239
he started to like build it up with the help

2468
02:42:43,239 --> 02:42:47,200
of international mostly Canadian and American oil infrastructure, and then

2469
02:42:47,239 --> 02:42:48,200
he fucking stole it.

2470
02:42:48,920 --> 02:42:49,200
Speaker 5: Yep.

2471
02:42:49,319 --> 02:42:51,639
Speaker 1: So these aren't these aren't like good.

2472
02:42:51,399 --> 02:42:54,840
Speaker 5: Guys and he can can I say something, my eighty

2473
02:42:54,920 --> 02:42:56,959
year at old good guys and we're the bad guys.

2474
02:42:56,959 --> 02:42:57,600
Speaker 1: Here go ahead.

2475
02:42:58,200 --> 02:43:03,319
Speaker 5: My eighty year old aunt grew up in Venezuela. She

2476
02:43:03,479 --> 02:43:08,639
wasn't born there. She's not Venezuelan. She's an Anglo American

2477
02:43:09,440 --> 02:43:13,600
of deep stock because her father was an oil and

2478
02:43:13,719 --> 02:43:23,920
gas engineer and he began there like cultivation and extraction

2479
02:43:24,520 --> 02:43:31,079
industry in the forties, the nineteen forties. So she grew up.

2480
02:43:32,200 --> 02:43:35,719
She spent like I want to say, like fifteen years

2481
02:43:36,120 --> 02:43:40,559
of her early of her childhood in Venezuela and before

2482
02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:44,000
coming back to the United States. And it's like this

2483
02:43:44,079 --> 02:43:47,879
is people just have no historical understanding of the way

2484
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:50,959
this works. Hank Oslo what he said. The thing that

2485
02:43:51,040 --> 02:43:56,479
got all these like frankly feminine bitches all tied up

2486
02:43:56,520 --> 02:43:59,799
in knots was he basically said, the old way of

2487
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:02,840
doing it is, you're like, if you're in my area

2488
02:44:02,920 --> 02:44:05,799
of influence and you're doing something I don't like, you're

2489
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:08,920
gonna make good on it or you're gonna fucking pay me.

2490
02:44:09,559 --> 02:44:12,000
And if you're a problem, I will smack the shit

2491
02:44:12,079 --> 02:44:14,639
out of you. And that's the way it is. And

2492
02:44:15,319 --> 02:44:20,920
these same people correctly point out that America and are

2493
02:44:21,079 --> 02:44:24,079
the old like the old Team A and part of

2494
02:44:24,200 --> 02:44:26,639
Team B as I always as always like to put it,

2495
02:44:26,680 --> 02:44:29,639
as someone framed that there are all these groups of

2496
02:44:29,719 --> 02:44:34,280
people who, uh, we're doing this in Eastern Europe and

2497
02:44:34,399 --> 02:44:38,840
Ukraine until Russia could assert themselves. And yes, we need

2498
02:44:38,879 --> 02:44:42,120
to iron that shit out and stop it and stop

2499
02:44:42,120 --> 02:44:45,079
this pointless conflict. We should get along with the Russians,

2500
02:44:45,440 --> 02:44:47,639
we should get along with the Chinese. We're the ones

2501
02:44:47,639 --> 02:44:52,200
who empowered the Chinese. They can only mess with us

2502
02:44:52,280 --> 02:44:55,959
in our hemisphere because we empower them, because we allow it.

2503
02:44:56,840 --> 02:44:59,639
But we can't allow them to do this shit. And

2504
02:45:00,600 --> 02:45:04,600
people just need to stop being incontinent. It's it's it's crazy,

2505
02:45:04,680 --> 02:45:07,479
Like you're gonna drive yourself crazy and you're never going

2506
02:45:07,559 --> 02:45:11,200
to be able to have any influence politically because you're

2507
02:45:11,600 --> 02:45:14,239
you're removing yourself entirely from the equation.

2508
02:45:14,639 --> 02:45:15,639
Speaker 1: Look, man, in.

2509
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:17,719
Speaker 4: My it's like the same it's the exact same people

2510
02:45:17,760 --> 02:45:19,120
is trying to tell me that this is a win

2511
02:45:19,559 --> 02:45:22,639
for me personally. Like both of these things are ridiculous.

2512
02:45:22,680 --> 02:45:23,760
Speaker 5: You're both retarded.

2513
02:45:24,200 --> 02:45:26,399
Speaker 4: You can hate both of these people at the same time.

2514
02:45:26,719 --> 02:45:28,360
Speaker 5: They're both stupid ideas.

2515
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:31,399
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, if there's going to be

2516
02:45:31,440 --> 02:45:34,239
a large military presence anywhere in the fucking world, it

2517
02:45:34,280 --> 02:45:37,479
needs to be like off Baja Mexico, and it needs

2518
02:45:37,520 --> 02:45:39,959
to be in the Gulf of America, Like that's where

2519
02:45:39,959 --> 02:45:42,760
we should. I hope he keeps the there. I hope

2520
02:45:42,760 --> 02:45:44,079
he keeps it there for years.

2521
02:45:45,440 --> 02:45:45,760
Speaker 5: Yes.

2522
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:50,120
Speaker 4: And Greenland, Yeah, I was going to bring this also

2523
02:45:50,239 --> 02:45:51,600
insanely important.

2524
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:54,399
Speaker 1: I was going to bring that up because immediately Trump

2525
02:45:54,440 --> 02:45:55,200
went to Greenland.

2526
02:45:55,879 --> 02:46:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, where to missile? Yeah? Have you been monitoring this? This? Uh?

2527
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:08,239
This shadow tanker or sorry that that tell me what

2528
02:46:08,280 --> 02:46:10,959
you think about this? Because it left I ran two

2529
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:17,559
weeks ago, so it basically embarked on its journey full

2530
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:23,680
of whatever is full of Yes, before Maduro was ousted,

2531
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:28,760
what can possibly be on this oil tanker because it's

2532
02:46:28,840 --> 02:46:31,000
not it's not oil ship.

2533
02:46:31,079 --> 02:46:32,440
Speaker 5: We don't want to be on it.

2534
02:46:33,319 --> 02:46:39,159
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, because the Shadow Fleet oil tankers they just

2535
02:46:39,440 --> 02:46:42,000
like when we when we interdict them for sanctions of

2536
02:46:42,040 --> 02:46:46,600
Asian they just abandon them. Yes, they don't basically act

2537
02:46:46,799 --> 02:46:50,399
like a fucking black guy in a stolen car that

2538
02:46:50,479 --> 02:46:54,319
gets pulled over and haul ass and lead leave you

2539
02:46:54,399 --> 02:46:57,360
on it, lead you on an entire cross Atlantic police chase,

2540
02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:02,239
trying to get into the Baltic Sea. Yeah, that's very strange.

2541
02:47:02,280 --> 02:47:04,680
It suddenly just wants to go back to Russia really

2542
02:47:04,680 --> 02:47:07,000
really bad. That's weird.

2543
02:47:08,600 --> 02:47:12,079
Speaker 5: I mean I understand why. It's not like I don't

2544
02:47:12,159 --> 02:47:16,719
understand why they would have weapons, you know, to to

2545
02:47:16,799 --> 02:47:21,399
stop America, you know, from any incursions and you know,

2546
02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:24,920
their area of influence. Like of course, and I'm not

2547
02:47:24,959 --> 02:47:29,680
gonna it was there was there was a point in time.

2548
02:47:31,360 --> 02:47:34,399
There was a point in time when I was kind

2549
02:47:34,399 --> 02:47:37,600
of like, you know what, I just can't feel bad

2550
02:47:37,719 --> 02:47:42,000
for people that fall for this regime and uh, you know,

2551
02:47:42,079 --> 02:47:47,000
get killed in pointless escalations in the Persian Gulf, Like

2552
02:47:47,280 --> 02:47:51,799
when when those anti ship missiles take out you know,

2553
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:59,239
a carrier group like duh, right, And I mean that

2554
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:02,280
doesn't mean that I think it's funny or that it's good.

2555
02:48:03,399 --> 02:48:04,959
Speaker 4: That's what I think was on that ship.

2556
02:48:05,479 --> 02:48:07,840
Speaker 5: Exactly. That's got to be what it is. That's the

2557
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:11,200
only thing that it would be. Yeah, what else would.

2558
02:48:11,040 --> 02:48:13,440
Speaker 4: Anti ship anti ship hypersonic mass?

2559
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:17,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, exactly. And I mean that's we We are

2560
02:48:18,040 --> 02:48:21,200
so far behind because the stupid fucking Middle East.

2561
02:48:22,680 --> 02:48:27,000
Speaker 4: That I was telling the listeners, like the George Bush,

2562
02:48:27,079 --> 02:48:30,879
George W. Bush administration from from the time he got

2563
02:48:30,879 --> 02:48:34,799
elected to September, right, so the whole first year, everything

2564
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:37,680
that anyone can talk about on the news, everything that

2565
02:48:37,719 --> 02:48:40,040
all the everything that the Pentagon was saying and releasing

2566
02:48:40,079 --> 02:48:44,719
its ten years, its five year strategic Defense initiative. It

2567
02:48:44,760 --> 02:48:48,040
was New star Wars, New Star Wars, New Star Wars.

2568
02:48:48,079 --> 02:48:51,920
Were doing missile technology, that's it. We're doing anti ballistic

2569
02:48:52,040 --> 02:48:55,959
missile defense, we're doing offensive missile design, and we're doing

2570
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,840
space ship that's yep, yep. So we got out of

2571
02:48:58,840 --> 02:49:02,239
the Salt Treaty and Energy Strategic Treaty.

2572
02:49:02,559 --> 02:49:05,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, going oh, I was saying Energy nuke power. A

2573
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:08,360
three mile island will be up and running again in

2574
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:11,159
eighteen months. They just neared a bunch of shit out

2575
02:49:11,200 --> 02:49:12,879
of the way like yesterday.

2576
02:49:13,440 --> 02:49:14,799
Speaker 4: Oh no, I just mean like and then you got

2577
02:49:14,879 --> 02:49:20,600
nine to eleven and the Jews basically hijacked, yes, and

2578
02:49:20,600 --> 02:49:22,559
then drug us in the Middle East, So all of

2579
02:49:22,559 --> 02:49:27,639
the Middle military technology had to be about defending troops

2580
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:33,920
against fucking twenty dollars IED's buried by fucking sand people. Yes,

2581
02:49:35,479 --> 02:49:38,159
But Russia and China just kept right on scooting along

2582
02:49:38,520 --> 02:49:39,479
doing missile defense.

2583
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:45,319
Speaker 5: Funny story. Funny story. A friend of mine, same age

2584
02:49:45,319 --> 02:49:48,799
as me in the nineties, joined the Army out of

2585
02:49:48,879 --> 02:49:53,200
high school, uh and was a I forget the name

2586
02:49:53,239 --> 02:49:56,479
of his the specific name of his MOS, but he

2587
02:49:56,639 --> 02:50:00,559
was a Stinger missile operator and moved up and was

2588
02:50:00,719 --> 02:50:06,399
running like a platoon of anti aircraft defense gout and

2589
02:50:06,559 --> 02:50:09,760
then he was going to go and do the next

2590
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:14,559
tier where they do more like you know, infrastructure based

2591
02:50:14,600 --> 02:50:19,920
anti aircraft systems and everything like that. And several moss

2592
02:50:20,520 --> 02:50:26,840
were erased by the Army in air defense after nine

2593
02:50:26,879 --> 02:50:29,879
to eleven because they were like, well that we're not

2594
02:50:29,959 --> 02:50:32,200
going to be going up against near peer armies. Ever,

2595
02:50:32,639 --> 02:50:35,239
we're just going to be blowing up sand people in

2596
02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:36,239
the desert.

2597
02:50:36,559 --> 02:50:41,840
Speaker 4: Because they thought that they were out of the strategic exactly. Yep.

2598
02:50:42,120 --> 02:50:46,399
It was the end of globalization. Yep, globalization. We're never

2599
02:50:46,440 --> 02:50:51,440
going to go to war with Russia or China. We're

2600
02:50:51,440 --> 02:50:54,840
never going to have a near peer competitor. Why would

2601
02:50:54,840 --> 02:50:55,399
I do that?

2602
02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:58,719
Speaker 5: And I don't want to, but you the way that

2603
02:50:58,799 --> 02:51:02,440
you avoid it is by having the capabilities so that

2604
02:51:02,719 --> 02:51:07,200
it's the exact same thing that is it. Medvedev keeps

2605
02:51:07,239 --> 02:51:11,479
talking about how wonderful nuclear weapons are. Nuclear weapons are

2606
02:51:11,520 --> 02:51:15,200
the only deterrent for like a peer to peer war.

2607
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:18,440
Speaker 4: Okay, so I will say I will push back on

2608
02:51:18,479 --> 02:51:19,040
it slightly.

2609
02:51:19,319 --> 02:51:25,680
Speaker 5: Yes, I was about to agree with you, go ahead, okay,

2610
02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:30,280
what it's the proxy wars. In the proxy wars and

2611
02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:35,760
the peripheral wars, you also need the capabilities to prevent

2612
02:51:36,520 --> 02:51:41,000
the expansion in a in a peer and near peer

2613
02:51:41,079 --> 02:51:44,399
setting by having the appropriate level of technology. You need

2614
02:51:44,440 --> 02:51:47,639
good anti aircraft, you need anti ship missiles. You need

2615
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:51,200
to have a an effective deterrent, and you need to

2616
02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:55,040
show it. You need you need to. This is showing

2617
02:51:55,120 --> 02:51:57,879
that we're willing to put our money where our mouths are.

2618
02:51:58,200 --> 02:52:01,000
Now here's the other side of this. There were Chinese

2619
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:04,799
and Russian delegations in Caracas when this mission went down.

2620
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:10,000
I fucking guarantee, I can't prove it yet, but I

2621
02:52:10,079 --> 02:52:15,479
fucking guarantee that there were conversations about Taiwan and Ukraine

2622
02:52:15,559 --> 02:52:20,079
taking place, and they weren't what the critics think they were.

2623
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:23,479
I'm positive they made a deal on Ukraine.

2624
02:52:23,799 --> 02:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Did you see the testimony. There was testimony right, you

2625
02:52:27,639 --> 02:52:32,920
saw that in twenty nineteen. Yes, I'll find her name.

2626
02:52:32,959 --> 02:52:36,120
But someone testified in front of Congress had said that

2627
02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:40,079
Trump was gonna get This was when Trump was in

2628
02:52:40,159 --> 02:52:42,719
president the first time that he was going to give

2629
02:52:43,799 --> 02:52:50,159
uh Russia the Donbass and China Ukraine in exchange for Venezuela.

2630
02:52:50,959 --> 02:52:51,239
Speaker 5: Yep.

2631
02:52:51,680 --> 02:52:54,000
Speaker 1: And then and then the indictment on Maduro came out

2632
02:52:54,040 --> 02:52:55,840
right after that, and then the election got stolen right

2633
02:52:55,879 --> 02:52:56,200
after that.

2634
02:52:56,479 --> 02:53:03,280
Speaker 4: I think want Russia correct. The Jews did not want

2635
02:53:03,319 --> 02:53:06,440
Russia to get the done Bass correct. Done Bass is

2636
02:53:06,440 --> 02:53:09,440
where all the good shit is in Ukraine. The rest

2637
02:53:09,440 --> 02:53:15,159
of Ukraine's bullshit yep. One st and frankly, also, this

2638
02:53:15,319 --> 02:53:17,879
is why you see, this is why you saw here

2639
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:22,600
Starmer and all these other NATO fagots coming to the

2640
02:53:22,760 --> 02:53:26,520
US to fuck with our election going into twenty twenty four.

2641
02:53:26,559 --> 02:53:30,799
They didn't succeed. Right, NATO is not our friend. Nope,

2642
02:53:30,879 --> 02:53:32,600
NATO is not our friend. NATO is not our friend.

2643
02:53:33,360 --> 02:53:36,879
You want to know what ZOG is, ZOG is NATO.

2644
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:45,120
NATO is like, it's the apparatus. And obviously there is

2645
02:53:45,159 --> 02:53:49,360
our bio or sorry, our zio Leninism that we talk

2646
02:53:49,399 --> 02:53:52,319
about in our own our own government. But as far

2647
02:53:52,360 --> 02:53:57,559
as uh that, the UNI party is that. But they

2648
02:53:59,399 --> 02:54:03,879
they did not want to give the Dunbass to Russia

2649
02:54:03,879 --> 02:54:08,079
because really the Russian Ukrainian War is yes, it's a

2650
02:54:08,120 --> 02:54:12,239
proxy war, but it's a sphere of influence war. The

2651
02:54:12,280 --> 02:54:17,120
reason why Europe will burn itself down for this is

2652
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:21,719
because the war is actually to determine whether Europe is

2653
02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:25,120
in Russia's sphere of influence or Russia is in Europe's

2654
02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:30,159
sphere of influence. Yep, that's what this is about. But

2655
02:54:30,239 --> 02:54:34,120
as far as the nuclear weapons stopping near peer conflict,

2656
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:38,680
I was talking to us on Twitter earlier before, right

2657
02:54:38,719 --> 02:54:41,840
before we jumped on to a friend of the show,

2658
02:54:42,319 --> 02:54:51,760
Darryl Cooper, about China, and basically I pointed out, like

2659
02:54:52,719 --> 02:54:55,680
you know, I think asked what you said, that fentanyl

2660
02:54:56,719 --> 02:54:59,559
was basically their fentanyl operation was an act of war.

2661
02:55:00,559 --> 02:55:03,000
Which now that you've basically told me how proven out

2662
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:05,959
that it is, that this is actually at this direct

2663
02:55:05,959 --> 02:55:09,360
behest of the Chinese government, I am inclined to agree

2664
02:55:09,360 --> 02:55:15,159
with you. But before that, we recently caught a Chinese

2665
02:55:15,280 --> 02:55:24,280
national with wheat blight, genetically engineered little fucking bacteria bugs

2666
02:55:24,280 --> 02:55:27,959
to destroy the wheat production. America is the largest wheat

2667
02:55:27,959 --> 02:55:32,600
producer in the fucking world. I gotta jump here shortly.

2668
02:55:34,479 --> 02:55:40,760
Uh oh my god, banker calling there we go. I

2669
02:55:40,799 --> 02:55:44,840
gotta take that shortly, so I'll jump off. After this.

2670
02:55:46,200 --> 02:55:51,040
We caught the wheat blight, we didn't catch the citrus one. Right,

2671
02:55:51,440 --> 02:55:58,159
They introduced a bug into the US that basically wiped

2672
02:55:58,159 --> 02:56:02,479
out It's this It's called greening. The disease that is

2673
02:56:02,520 --> 02:56:06,600
caused by this bacteria only existed in China prior, and

2674
02:56:06,639 --> 02:56:10,440
now a hypervirulent strain of it popped up in Florida

2675
02:56:10,440 --> 02:56:13,799
ten years ago. Moved first moved to Florida. Every single

2676
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:18,479
fucking space, yes, anty real estate had just orange trees,

2677
02:56:18,559 --> 02:56:22,079
just literally just pop like not orange groves, just they

2678
02:56:22,120 --> 02:56:29,040
just existed everywhere. You don't see any anymore, none, Like

2679
02:56:29,399 --> 02:56:33,200
it's the only orange you'll maybe see, like a handful

2680
02:56:33,239 --> 02:56:37,440
of orange trees in that exist that are like in

2681
02:56:37,479 --> 02:56:40,000
a former orange grove, and now it's just three or

2682
02:56:40,000 --> 02:56:41,319
four dying trees in the middle.

2683
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:42,159
Speaker 5: Insane.

2684
02:56:42,680 --> 02:56:43,319
Speaker 4: It's insane.

2685
02:56:43,479 --> 02:56:45,440
Speaker 5: Thanks China exactly.

2686
02:56:46,360 --> 02:56:50,680
Speaker 4: And you know there was a mysterious virus, the mysterious

2687
02:56:50,760 --> 02:56:53,319
variant of swine flu that wiped out eighty percent of

2688
02:56:54,079 --> 02:56:59,719
China's pork supply. And then there's that giant synthetic aperture

2689
02:57:00,200 --> 02:57:05,280
antenna that we used to beam lots and lots and

2690
02:57:05,319 --> 02:57:10,319
lots of microwaves off of the ionosphere and basically make

2691
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:13,760
it not rain by heating up the air way way

2692
02:57:13,760 --> 02:57:16,399
way above the surface of the Earth right so where

2693
02:57:16,440 --> 02:57:19,360
the planes are like thirty thousand feet twenty thousand feet.

2694
02:57:20,079 --> 02:57:22,120
If you heat that up just a couple of degrees,

2695
02:57:23,719 --> 02:57:28,280
rain doesn't happen. And now I Ran has been for

2696
02:57:28,319 --> 02:57:31,120
the last eight or nine years experiencing a thousand year

2697
02:57:31,200 --> 02:57:34,000
drought that just doesn't end, a once in a thousand

2698
02:57:34,079 --> 02:57:39,920
year drought that doesn't end. And we live in a

2699
02:57:39,959 --> 02:57:45,680
world Now there's actually a member of the OGC that

2700
02:57:47,000 --> 02:57:51,079
genetically engineered yeast to produce gasoline. Really really cool. He

2701
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:56,479
did it in his apartment and he you know, came

2702
02:57:56,559 --> 02:58:00,239
up with what he thought the deno genetic sequence would

2703
02:58:00,239 --> 02:58:03,600
be that would give him this desired result, sent that

2704
02:58:03,719 --> 02:58:06,600
code off to a lab and you know, lab sent

2705
02:58:06,680 --> 02:58:10,840
him back the DNA and he popped it into the yeast.

2706
02:58:12,959 --> 02:58:15,159
The equipment that to do the equipment to do that,

2707
02:58:15,239 --> 02:58:20,520
it's about fifty grand. You can three D print viruses.

2708
02:58:20,879 --> 02:58:23,520
You can go look this up. You can three D

2709
02:58:23,600 --> 02:58:29,319
print viruses and the equipment costs fifty hundred thousand dollars.

2710
02:58:30,479 --> 02:58:34,040
Some asshole, you know, let's say they know a lot

2711
02:58:34,040 --> 02:58:38,760
about genetics and virology, and as an insane person with

2712
02:58:39,399 --> 02:58:41,680
you know, fifty grand or one hundred grand or whatever,

2713
02:58:42,639 --> 02:58:45,799
he can make bubonic plague in his backyard. Like, this

2714
02:58:45,879 --> 02:58:49,159
is the world we live in now, where we have

2715
02:58:49,239 --> 02:58:52,159
to attack each other and all these other means because

2716
02:58:52,159 --> 02:58:55,559
we can't nuke each other, so China has to use

2717
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:58,079
biological weapons against us in a way where they can

2718
02:58:58,159 --> 02:59:02,040
kind of deny it, right, because if they just did

2719
02:59:02,040 --> 02:59:04,520
a bilot, if they released mubonic plague or some shit

2720
02:59:04,600 --> 02:59:08,239
like that. We would have launched, I mean, per our

2721
02:59:08,760 --> 02:59:12,879
WMD doctrine, we should have launched a counter value nuclear

2722
02:59:12,920 --> 02:59:18,000
strike and turned China into molten glass. That's what we

2723
02:59:18,040 --> 02:59:22,719
should have done. So in order for that to not happen,

2724
02:59:23,120 --> 02:59:25,840
they basically do this right up to the edge thing

2725
02:59:28,079 --> 02:59:30,719
right where they erode every other part of our society

2726
02:59:30,840 --> 02:59:34,079
because we can't directly go to war because it just

2727
02:59:34,120 --> 02:59:40,520
means nukes are flying. So it's introduced this new type

2728
02:59:40,520 --> 02:59:43,639
of thing which is much much.

2729
02:59:43,399 --> 02:59:48,040
Speaker 5: Worse well put, very well put.

2730
02:59:49,239 --> 02:59:51,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna jump off a little bit earlier. All right,

2731
02:59:51,479 --> 02:59:53,719
Barl and Astros take us out.

2732
02:59:54,120 --> 02:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Thanks for the show. Stormy doculator, I gotta get go

2733
02:59:59,719 --> 03:00:01,680
into but I want to give you the last word here.

2734
03:00:03,000 --> 03:00:08,799
Speaker 5: So another thing that was posted on the fifth of January,

2735
03:00:09,440 --> 03:00:12,520
details came out of the New York Times on why

2736
03:00:12,600 --> 03:00:17,479
the Trump administration decided not to back that Maria Karina Mashada.

2737
03:00:18,239 --> 03:00:20,959
You know, Astral you and I talked about this because

2738
03:00:20,959 --> 03:00:23,840
again everyone was like, oh, they've already picked the person

2739
03:00:25,040 --> 03:00:29,120
that they've already picked the shake and bake government, like,

2740
03:00:29,479 --> 03:00:36,719
which was what we've done on behalf of Zog for decades,

2741
03:00:36,920 --> 03:00:42,079
and it never works. The DM regime didn't work. You know,

2742
03:00:42,159 --> 03:00:45,000
all kinds of Latin American governments that we put in

2743
03:00:45,040 --> 03:00:48,840
place didn't work. It didn't work in Iraq, it didn't

2744
03:00:48,879 --> 03:00:53,120
work in all these places. That is why our government

2745
03:00:53,879 --> 03:00:58,079
is surprising everybody by basically saying we're gonna we're going

2746
03:00:58,120 --> 03:01:00,879
to continue to work with the people who are in

2747
03:01:00,920 --> 03:01:06,479
the government of Venezuela because we made we made a

2748
03:01:06,600 --> 03:01:12,079
fucking deal obviously, like and that's how you do this stuff.

2749
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:14,479
This is the old Minroe doctrine thing. And I know

2750
03:01:14,559 --> 03:01:17,719
that people get mad. They're like, oh, I'm really mad

2751
03:01:17,799 --> 03:01:21,600
because that you're you know, you're ascribing some sort of

2752
03:01:21,639 --> 03:01:24,200
success to Donald Trump, and we can't do that because

2753
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:28,040
zog And it's like, no, you need to get over

2754
03:01:28,120 --> 03:01:34,719
your incontinence and learn how to perceive the world and

2755
03:01:34,719 --> 03:01:37,079
and you need to see that, yes, they're shifting in

2756
03:01:37,159 --> 03:01:42,280
a more intelligent direction. And when things are better for us,

2757
03:01:43,079 --> 03:01:49,559
that gives you opportunities to get power again. I'm not

2758
03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:54,479
saying join the National Republican Party and vote for you know,

2759
03:01:54,840 --> 03:01:59,680
Ted Cruz, I'm not saying that. I'm saying there are opportunities,

2760
03:01:59,719 --> 03:02:03,440
and they're people that are going for it, and that's

2761
03:02:03,479 --> 03:02:07,399
the only way this happens, collapsing that you don't get

2762
03:02:08,639 --> 03:02:13,040
like the plan to date has been total collapse, question

2763
03:02:13,239 --> 03:02:17,319
mark total aryan victory, and it's like it, that's not

2764
03:02:17,479 --> 03:02:21,440
how it works. You don't want that. You know, you

2765
03:02:21,600 --> 03:02:24,319
need to look for opportunities. And there's a lot of

2766
03:02:24,399 --> 03:02:30,000
moves that are happening right now domestically as well. People

2767
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:32,719
have been really mad, Hey, why are you doing this?

2768
03:02:32,799 --> 03:02:36,360
I want domestic stuff. This is what Trump just posted

2769
03:02:36,639 --> 03:02:40,879
thirty nine minutes ago, or someone reposted thirty nine minutes ago,

2770
03:02:40,879 --> 03:02:43,559
because it's on truth social why would I go there?

2771
03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:46,879
For a very long time, and owning a home was

2772
03:02:46,920 --> 03:02:49,719
considered the pinnacle of the American dream. It was the

2773
03:02:49,760 --> 03:02:52,639
reward for working hard and doing the right thing. But now,

2774
03:02:52,920 --> 03:02:56,760
because of the record high inflation caps caused by Joe Biden,

2775
03:02:56,840 --> 03:03:00,799
the Democrats in Congress, and other things, but that American

2776
03:03:00,879 --> 03:03:03,719
dream is increasingly out of reach for far too many people,

2777
03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:07,120
especially younger Americans. It is for that reason and much

2778
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:10,639
more that I am immediately taking steps to ban large

2779
03:03:10,639 --> 03:03:17,000
institutional investors from buying more single family homes terminology TOVD

2780
03:03:17,680 --> 03:03:20,200
and I will be calling on Congress to codify it.

2781
03:03:20,959 --> 03:03:24,520
People live in homes, not corporations. I will discuss this topic,

2782
03:03:24,840 --> 03:03:29,120
including further housing and affordability proposals and more, at my

2783
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:32,920
speech in Davos in two weeks. He's going to Davos

2784
03:03:32,959 --> 03:03:37,000
to put these fucks you know, which we've talked about

2785
03:03:37,040 --> 03:03:41,120
a lot. The Davos people are pitching their selling like

2786
03:03:41,200 --> 03:03:43,959
how wonderful you are to rich people to try to

2787
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:47,520
spread their NGO poison. And Trump is going there to

2788
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:52,239
talk about this stuff. We have been hammering him on

2789
03:03:52,360 --> 03:03:55,600
the shit and the ADMIN and it's percolating up. They

2790
03:03:55,680 --> 03:04:02,440
also just ended the UH. I think it was because

2791
03:04:02,639 --> 03:04:06,000
I believe it was originally an executive order that allowed

2792
03:04:06,680 --> 03:04:12,360
H one B holders to get first time home buyers loans,

2793
03:04:14,360 --> 03:04:19,360
and now that's over and the Indian press is freaking

2794
03:04:19,360 --> 03:04:24,399
out about it. So these are good things they're happening.

2795
03:04:25,280 --> 03:04:29,520
Not being so fucking incontinent. Yes, criticize the things that

2796
03:04:29,559 --> 03:04:34,520
you don't like, talk about reality, expose these things people

2797
03:04:34,559 --> 03:04:39,120
are that they expose themselves, share their own words. That's

2798
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:42,440
the only way that you get the momentum that you

2799
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:43,319
want to see.

2800
03:04:45,600 --> 03:04:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the problem is is I mean, other

2801
03:04:48,280 --> 03:04:51,520
people say this, and it's just obviously true. Trump is

2802
03:04:51,559 --> 03:04:55,360
surrounded by fucking snakes and cultures who will tank his

2803
03:04:55,479 --> 03:04:59,799
fucking presidency and they push the fifty year mortgage bullshit.

2804
03:05:00,159 --> 03:05:01,079
Speaker 5: Yes, like it's them.

2805
03:05:01,479 --> 03:05:03,520
Speaker 1: This is this is like when when I said this

2806
03:05:03,559 --> 03:05:05,840
already on the show, I'm gonna say it again. I

2807
03:05:05,879 --> 03:05:08,399
think Trump actually wants to put fifty to one hundred

2808
03:05:08,399 --> 03:05:10,280
million barrels of oil on the market because he knows

2809
03:05:10,319 --> 03:05:12,200
that's a good That's the type of guy he is.

2810
03:05:12,920 --> 03:05:15,360
It is all this nonsense we see. It's like it's

2811
03:05:15,360 --> 03:05:19,639
like a fucking consulting firm. It's like the equivalency of

2812
03:05:19,639 --> 03:05:21,959
a consulting firm going to a corporation and selling them

2813
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:24,799
a bunch of bullshit with a really good spin on it.

2814
03:05:25,360 --> 03:05:28,639
And then when Trump sees the response, this is what

2815
03:05:28,639 --> 03:05:30,559
we need to see. We need to see Trump being

2816
03:05:30,879 --> 03:05:33,600
like the guy he actually is because he wants to

2817
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:36,520
do stuff like this because he wants to be loved,

2818
03:05:37,200 --> 03:05:41,360
he wants to be popular. Yea, So hopefully hopefully it's

2819
03:05:41,399 --> 03:05:44,520
not too late. You know, he planned a lot of bullshit.

2820
03:05:44,559 --> 03:05:46,600
But at the same time, to Carl's point, like dude,

2821
03:05:47,479 --> 03:05:49,719
we don't have fifty your mortgages. It's just a fucking

2822
03:05:49,799 --> 03:05:51,559
retarded tweet.

2823
03:05:51,120 --> 03:05:54,719
Speaker 5: That exactly exactly ran around.

2824
03:05:54,440 --> 03:05:57,479
Speaker 7: Like fucking chickens with their head cut off about yeah

2825
03:05:57,559 --> 03:06:03,239
and and ten thousand ICE agents just came online. Yeah,

2826
03:06:03,280 --> 03:06:07,399
and it's ten It's like ten to fifteen thousand per

2827
03:06:07,479 --> 03:06:11,440
month for the next couple months coming online, coming out

2828
03:06:11,479 --> 03:06:17,000
of training, and there they surged into Minneapolis, and all

2829
03:06:17,040 --> 03:06:18,079
the same fucking.

2830
03:06:17,799 --> 03:06:21,479
Speaker 5: Retards are going, Oh, it's because Somoli's are Muslim and

2831
03:06:21,520 --> 03:06:25,399
blah blah, it's shut the fuck up. Yeah.

2832
03:06:25,559 --> 03:06:28,239
Speaker 1: Let me let me say another thing again to Carl's point,

2833
03:06:28,239 --> 03:06:32,000
because this is some much needed, uh setting the record straight, Carl,

2834
03:06:32,040 --> 03:06:36,879
So I appreciate you doing that. I will scream criticisms

2835
03:06:36,879 --> 03:06:38,680
of Trump, Tulle, and Blue in the face every single

2836
03:06:38,760 --> 03:06:41,600
time bends over and kiss his own asshole when Nick

2837
03:06:42,520 --> 03:06:46,239
tells him to. But at the same time, dude, Ice,

2838
03:06:46,440 --> 03:06:50,719
ICE forcibly fucking evicted six hundred thousand people in twenty

2839
03:06:50,760 --> 03:06:54,000
twenty five. I think that's great. I'm super happy with that.

2840
03:06:54,040 --> 03:06:56,040
And they don't bear any about that.

2841
03:06:56,559 --> 03:07:00,719
Speaker 5: They barely had control, I know. And we're now in

2842
03:07:00,799 --> 03:07:05,840
the post Biden, you know, fiscal year. It's over, and

2843
03:07:05,920 --> 03:07:08,639
so so it is time to go ham all the

2844
03:07:08,680 --> 03:07:11,280
shit comes online now they have the funding for all

2845
03:07:11,280 --> 03:07:14,840
the shit. All the funding authorization was the last year. Yeah,

2846
03:07:14,959 --> 03:07:16,120
big BBBH.

2847
03:07:16,319 --> 03:07:17,760
Speaker 1: Were you on the call when I brought that up.

2848
03:07:18,280 --> 03:07:20,440
Speaker 5: I wasn't. Not yet. I will listen.

2849
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:23,760
Speaker 1: No, that's fine. I'm just saying I brought up the big,

2850
03:07:23,760 --> 03:07:26,479
beautiful bill and I said, all the positive effects from

2851
03:07:26,479 --> 03:07:29,440
that are starting to happen, like right now. That's one

2852
03:07:29,479 --> 03:07:30,440
of the things.

2853
03:07:30,680 --> 03:07:37,719
Speaker 5: Yes, it's huge, it's huge, and I understand where I

2854
03:07:37,799 --> 03:07:41,200
totally understand where people are coming from. But like like

2855
03:07:41,239 --> 03:07:45,040
I said, I've said this before many times in twenty

2856
03:07:45,120 --> 03:07:49,280
twenty four. No, it was. It was after October seventh.

2857
03:07:49,719 --> 03:07:53,600
I said, holy shit, we're going to see a huge pivot.

2858
03:07:53,600 --> 03:07:56,760
When I saw in the gym and the cardio area

2859
03:07:57,600 --> 03:08:00,840
they new they have TVs and it's almost it's news

2860
03:08:00,840 --> 03:08:05,120
and sports and it's CNN and Fox News and CNN.

2861
03:08:05,760 --> 03:08:11,760
CNN was preparing people's anuses for what was coming, and

2862
03:08:12,159 --> 03:08:17,399
a a poster on GAB named Judge Dread who will

2863
03:08:17,159 --> 03:08:22,120
I will always give lots of credit for for this

2864
03:08:22,239 --> 03:08:24,680
level of insight. He pointed out that I think it

2865
03:08:24,719 --> 03:08:29,280
was Finkelstein who was part of the GOP part of

2866
03:08:29,280 --> 03:08:33,799
the Southern strategy. He coined He coined this term, and yes, yeah,

2867
03:08:33,959 --> 03:08:37,879
but he talked about Team A and Team B being

2868
03:08:38,520 --> 03:08:46,000
a factional organizational, self organizing concept that that inevitably forms.

2869
03:08:46,600 --> 03:08:52,239
And specifically it's about factions that are formed with juke

2870
03:08:52,440 --> 03:08:55,719
powerful Jews on both sides. Team A and Team B

2871
03:08:55,959 --> 03:09:01,000
that have different goals. You have the team as the

2872
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:05,360
blue hair screeching anti white, total white genocide, as soon

2873
03:09:05,399 --> 03:09:09,920
as possible, crash and burn everything team and then Team

2874
03:09:10,040 --> 03:09:15,479
B are the they're the more like conservative, like Zionist

2875
03:09:15,600 --> 03:09:20,079
oriented ones who are realizing, oh shit, if America crashes

2876
03:09:20,120 --> 03:09:23,920
and burns, Israel's over, so what they and they're part.

2877
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:27,840
There's a Team B coalition which includes people who don't

2878
03:09:27,959 --> 03:09:31,920
hate us, as as Pete and Stormy and Astral and

2879
03:09:32,040 --> 03:09:36,079
all of us have talked about frankly ad nauseum, there

2880
03:09:36,120 --> 03:09:38,840
are people in this coalition who don't hate us, who

2881
03:09:38,840 --> 03:09:43,399
are still team players with them, but they'll also favor

2882
03:09:43,879 --> 03:09:48,959
things that are good for America. And so Israel needs

2883
03:09:49,000 --> 03:09:54,040
America to have power and military production and all this

2884
03:09:54,120 --> 03:09:56,040
because they want us to come to their rescue and

2885
03:09:56,079 --> 03:10:00,159
do their bidding. They want that goy farm to keep

2886
03:10:00,280 --> 03:10:07,319
churning out soldiers if they helped establish the conditions where

2887
03:10:07,319 --> 03:10:10,440
we can reassert ourselves, because the only way they can

2888
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:13,479
get that is if we get re empowered. Do you

2889
03:10:13,559 --> 03:10:16,799
think we're all gonna forget the way that they've behaved

2890
03:10:16,840 --> 03:10:20,799
and talked to us and acted and all the all

2891
03:10:20,840 --> 03:10:26,200
the information that is available about Jewish behavior and history

2892
03:10:26,239 --> 03:10:27,879
is going to just go away. We're going to forget

2893
03:10:27,920 --> 03:10:31,760
about it. They're they're going to push for censorship, yes,

2894
03:10:32,159 --> 03:10:35,559
but you know what, fuck them. It is not part

2895
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:37,520
of our tradition. And I don't think they're going to

2896
03:10:37,559 --> 03:10:41,280
be successful. I mean, we'll see, we'll fight for it.

2897
03:10:41,639 --> 03:10:44,120
But if this ship is not going away and we're

2898
03:10:44,159 --> 03:10:47,879
not surrendering just because it's Donald Trump and you hate

2899
03:10:47,920 --> 03:10:51,239
Donald Trump because he licks his own anus in front

2900
03:10:51,280 --> 03:10:53,200
of that and yahoo.

2901
03:10:54,159 --> 03:10:56,360
Speaker 1: Well look man, I got so much to say about that.

2902
03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:58,879
I definitely have to go. So we will take this

2903
03:10:59,000 --> 03:11:00,920
up next time. Thank you so much for takeing.

2904
03:11:00,799 --> 03:11:01,239
Speaker 4: Us out here.

2905
03:11:01,319 --> 03:11:02,760
Speaker 5: This is the one of this episode.

2906
03:11:02,920 --> 03:11:07,479
Speaker 1: Have but uh, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

2907
03:11:07,600 --> 03:11:11,719
I I'm stopping myself from this jumping off because.

2908
03:11:11,479 --> 03:11:11,840
Speaker 5: I gotta go.

2909
03:11:12,719 --> 03:11:14,399
Speaker 2: Oh so Rick could tell next week

2910
03:12:57,479 --> 03:12:57,520
Speaker 5: U