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<v Speaker 1>Super League three sixties Back Lee and John a here,

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<v Speaker 1>but the sport is not the same without John KEIRR.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved the game and it shone through as a man,

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<v Speaker 1>as a coach and in the commentary Box two he

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<v Speaker 1>coached England, France, or LEFC and Wales. But the cup

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<v Speaker 1>win for Sheffield is the pick of all the tales.

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<v Speaker 1>So many players he gave their first starts, a coach

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<v Speaker 1>and a life that touched many hearts. Rest in peace,

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<v Speaker 1>John keir who tragically passed away suddenly on the thirty

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<v Speaker 1>first of May. Welcome to the twenty fourth episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Super League three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top

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<v Speaker 1>tier of British rugby league, but we do go in

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<v Speaker 1>some different directions sometimes. My name is Lee Addison and.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is John Davidson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a coach in Australia, johnn journo in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>But please read the description or listen to all pods

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<v Speaker 1>because this was once a very long introduction on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast been aired platforms including the Ashes, Rugby League,

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<v Speaker 1>But thanks to our friends at Rugby League dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>that I've been covering this for us, I've got the

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<v Speaker 1>table here ready to talk about John. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>just because I've started with John Kere Rugby League tweet

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<v Speaker 1>of the week, Matt Newsom, the BBC commentator, said that

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<v Speaker 1>was hard, cried beforehand, cried at halftime, the montages were beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>the game did JK justice take care all? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>shed some light on this was overnight here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>What was Matt talking about there?

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<v Speaker 2>John? I was talking about the Wakefield WHOLEKR game that

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC had on TV that Matt was commentating. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>John I think would have been part of that country team. Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think that was a lovely true broute

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<v Speaker 2>for himself at the start. Just yeah, really sad news.

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<v Speaker 2>I think got a few text messages Monday morning about

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<v Speaker 2>it and then tried to chase up if it was

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<v Speaker 2>true or not. But you know the people who sent

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<v Speaker 2>me those messages, you know, you don't send messages when

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<v Speaker 2>something right this happens to you. You see sometimes on

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<v Speaker 2>social media people claiming people have died on haven't, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why anyone would ever do that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a scummy thing to do. But yeah, it turned

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<v Speaker 2>out to be true. It just really really sad news,

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<v Speaker 2>shocking news. The fact that he was comminating at Wembley

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<v Speaker 2>and you know people around the UK and then around

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<v Speaker 2>the world would have heard his voice and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>less than twenty four hours he'd had a heart attack

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<v Speaker 2>on the way home. And just a lovely, lovely guy

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<v Speaker 2>and had such a fantastic and positive impact on the

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<v Speaker 2>sport as so many times on so many people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's easily one of the best people involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the game in the UK and he'll he'll be long,

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<v Speaker 2>long remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>There can't be many coaches who've coached England, Wales and

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<v Speaker 1>France exactly. There can't be many coaches that have coached Bradford.

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<v Speaker 1>Hull left c Sheffield Wakefield badly witness and he.

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<v Speaker 2>Was assistant coach at cass and the Mariley and I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he was an assistant.

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<v Speaker 1>A Wigan for a Wigan under Stuart Raper when I

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<v Speaker 1>was there. That's how I know John kre and developed

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<v Speaker 1>a good friendship with him and very infectious personality. Great

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<v Speaker 1>fella always had a smile on his face when he

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<v Speaker 1>greeted you. He was he was a tough Onmbray too,

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<v Speaker 1>So he wasn't, you know, not somebody who just smiled

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<v Speaker 1>at everything and laughed everything and off. But he was

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<v Speaker 1>a he was a very very fair person, very fair

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<v Speaker 1>minded person. And I do remember his wife Dawn as well,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, condolences to her and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the family. It's I think the shocking thing is that

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<v Speaker 1>the nation heard him on the TV the day before.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the shocking thing is I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>picture that was taken on Challenge Cup final day, which

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<v Speaker 1>I assume would have been the last ever picture of him.

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<v Speaker 1>I also consume quite often the Total Rugby League podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube, and he's been a guest on there quite regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>and look well quite frankly, I know he's had a

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<v Speaker 1>few health issues, but tell me a seventy one year

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<v Speaker 1>old who doesn't or hasn't. So just a real big shock, John,

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<v Speaker 1>real big shock. And I don't want to be disrespectful

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<v Speaker 1>to John, but you know, we'll move on with the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast because we missed. We missed a week last week,

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<v Speaker 1>so we've got quite a lot to catch up on.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm pretty sure John would be more than happy

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<v Speaker 1>for us to keep on, keep on keeping on, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just we'll move on to the Super League Ladder

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<v Speaker 1>and John kears old team Wakefield are in third, but

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<v Speaker 1>Leed's Rhino's the top. They've played thirteen and twenty points.

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<v Speaker 1>Warrington have only played twelve and are in second on

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<v Speaker 1>twenty points. As we record this podcast, Wakefield, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>on third with eighteen. Saint Helen's are fourth on eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>two teams on sixteen. Hull k are and Wigan Wigan

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<v Speaker 1>sitting sixth spot. Hoo Ky are in fifth. Lee Leopards

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<v Speaker 1>are on fourteen points. They've played thirteen. Catalans Dragons are

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<v Speaker 1>in eighth and they're on twelve. Bradford Bulls and cast

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers are both on ten points and sit on the

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<v Speaker 1>ladder after thirteen games. In that order, we'll lef C

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<v Speaker 1>they've played thirteen games and they're on eight points to

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<v Speaker 1>lose same exactly the same. They sit in twelfth. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>left seeing eleventh York Nights our second last. They've played

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen have six points on Huddersfield Giants propping up the

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<v Speaker 1>table on four points after playing thirteen thoughts on that ladder, John,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like it's not moving that much really now.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like we have two two clear sections, those

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<v Speaker 1>who are pushing for the six and those who've got

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<v Speaker 1>no chance.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, Yeah, yeah, I think I think probably the main

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<v Speaker 2>movement in recent saying the last months in Hellnes have

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<v Speaker 2>dropped down a bit and Lee are really pushing up

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<v Speaker 2>with a few wins, and obviously so a Wigan. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've really turned a corner on the last month. Wakefield

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<v Speaker 2>have been doing well for a while. Apart from that,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really there's this fair bit of consistency. Obviously Harrsfield,

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<v Speaker 2>Hall of Sea losing regularly. Why Intend have been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>consistent at the top of the table all season, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>good a good win for for to loose. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't see a huge amount of change

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<v Speaker 2>in say the bottom six or so. There'll be some fluctuations,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think I think I said this in the

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<v Speaker 2>last podcast, I don't see the sixth changing much except

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<v Speaker 2>for maybe Lee are the real big chances for pushing in.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, I can't see a huge amount of changing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't see someone coming from sixth and finishing top.

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<v Speaker 2>Although I'll throw a caveat I think weigan obviously what

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<v Speaker 2>they've shown. You know, they've they've really turned the corner

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<v Speaker 2>and they're playing with so much desire and one at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment. So I don't think you can really I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they'll necessarily finish top, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's certainly possible if they considered They've got so

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<v Speaker 2>many games to make up and teams like Leads that

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<v Speaker 2>have to lose a lot. But I think they can

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<v Speaker 2>definitely finish a lot higher than they currently are with

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<v Speaker 2>and if they if they keep up what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>John his job and John's tweet of the week. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a tweet that you did about Saint Helens. You

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<v Speaker 1>said it was their third loss from their past four games,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you linked an article and there's a few

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<v Speaker 1>there's a few stories around Tristan Sailor staying, Matty Lee's

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<v Speaker 1>going ab Saints wrote towards and said what to do

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<v Speaker 1>with Sailor Wellsby Whitby Hastings to get Saints attack clicking.

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<v Speaker 1>So John time to unleash on Saint Helen's.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not I was an our ladies obviously, I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote an asked this piece about them. On Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 2>I was at the game and hey Lee, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to a few people who followed the club closer,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was quite a surprise that Tristan Sattle

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<v Speaker 2>has been resigned. Now. It's not an attack on Tristans.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's a fabulous attacking player, and I would imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly these Q Cup days, someone you've seen a fair

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<v Speaker 2>bit oly. But I think you know defensively, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>a great defender, and I don't think with Wellsby in

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<v Speaker 2>that side, I don't think that dynamic works. They seem

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<v Speaker 2>to have moved Jack around. They seem to have tried

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<v Speaker 2>to accommodate both them and Saylor isn't a winger. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not a six. He's a fullback, that soundy position. He

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<v Speaker 2>can play well wells Wellsby has got a bit more versatility,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think his best position is fullback. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quite surprised that they re signed him. There's a few

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<v Speaker 2>other variables there with the spine. Jack and Hastings is

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<v Speaker 2>off contract. I know Leeds are interested, and Johnny Lomax

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<v Speaker 2>is off contract as well. Now there's speculation that he'll retire. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>he's had a very long career, a fantastic career, Johnny,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'll go down as one of Sinahalan's best ever players.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a few variables there. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>George Whitby, who I think did really well on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>young half back, but he's not had a lot of games.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a bit of flux with their roster, not

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<v Speaker 2>just in the spine but in other areas as well.

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<v Speaker 2>As said Maddy Leed's going to PG Chiefs in what

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen months, and you add the fact that they lost

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<v Speaker 2>Morgan Ole to the Dolphins this year, it's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a rebuild at Saint Helens. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's you know, many many Pete made that job about identity,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there is actually I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of truth to those words. So yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting time at Saint Helens. And I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't think they'd have a good year this year

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<v Speaker 2>before a ball had been kicked, and they've been top

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<v Speaker 2>for a long period and that actually surprised me. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think they will fall down the pack. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they'll make the six, but I don't think they'll be

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<v Speaker 2>there at Old Trafford and I may be wrong, may

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<v Speaker 2>have it in my face yes again, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's there's some bigger issues there about how they

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<v Speaker 2>how their their squad looks going forward. And obviously there's

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<v Speaker 2>been off field change, hasn't it with the CEO going

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<v Speaker 2>and other things. So yeah, it's a bit of a

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<v Speaker 2>flux there at Saint Helens.

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<v Speaker 1>I do find it interesting that Saint Helens and Leeds

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<v Speaker 1>are both potentially in a rebuilding phase. Leads. It almost

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<v Speaker 1>appears to have come to them all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Helens, they've possibly been in this position for a

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<v Speaker 1>year or two now. I can't help but think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of the addition of these extra teams on both

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the world. And I think teams like Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Helens and Leeds would would be able to secure players

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<v Speaker 1>for the longer term if there weren't more options. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>they would get more of the low hanging fruit in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of players that they can be first option to

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<v Speaker 1>sign when, particularly when players are coming over from Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think now there's a few more clubs trying

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<v Speaker 1>to beat them to the punch to sign players. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Leeds for example, wouldn't have minded the Clinel

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<v Speaker 1>captain for example.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think, yeah, I think that's that's an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting point. I don't I think for Saint Helens, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's you know, I had that four years whether

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<v Speaker 2>or buy father the best team in the land, what

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<v Speaker 2>move that along, which is never it's never easy. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you are right. I mean, I mean Cam mc kinness,

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic player for two years. But Leeds, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>next year, when they've got Bradie Croft going, Cameron Smith going,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think would retire, you know. I think this year

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<v Speaker 2>is Leeds year, you know, in terms of winning Super League.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, but I'm sure we're going to get onto

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<v Speaker 2>this anyway. Brad Arthur staying is definitely good news for me.

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<v Speaker 1>What we we'll talk about it now. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it now. I've got that ability to be flexible. John.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brad, Brad, Brad Arthur's staying right, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Perth job, he wouldn't be there. So there's every chance

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<v Speaker 1>that he's run out of jobs. Every chance he was

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<v Speaker 2>Manly job.

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<v Speaker 3>Soft with anyone left with St Georgie Laar, wasn't it,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I think clearly the St George

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<v Speaker 2>of the wire job presumably he wasn't. He wasn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to get it, and he decided, you know, better have

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Brad Arthur is certainly going to help

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<v Speaker 1>with signing right in terms of players will want to

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<v Speaker 1>play under him. So I think that's a real positive

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<v Speaker 1>leads quite frankly, and all power to them. Look, we've

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<v Speaker 1>and who k Are and they met in the Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>Cup final because we had a week off last week

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<v Speaker 1>Key's last commentary and whatnot, So I think some of

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<v Speaker 1>this got lost. But let's talk about the game. How

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<v Speaker 1>much do we read into the fact that it was

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<v Speaker 1>such a one sided score line. I know it was

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<v Speaker 1>close at halftime and you yourself said prior to the

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<v Speaker 1>Cup final words to the effect of if Willie Peters

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<v Speaker 1>manages to coach ok Are to this final victory, then

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at his legacy in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>But the exact top as it happened, and with the

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<v Speaker 1>exception of the World Club Challenge, where I think we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that if Brisbane had five more minutes, it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have it wouldn't have been whole k has win

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<v Speaker 1>big game in Las Vegas that got hammered, and then

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<v Speaker 1>World Club Challenge is great Tome and then this big

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<v Speaker 1>k Are Yeah, did you watch this game in Spain?

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<v Speaker 2>I watched about thirty five or forty minutes. Unfortunately, I

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<v Speaker 2>can watch the whole game and it's entirety. But I

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<v Speaker 2>pushed back a little bit on that in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>who care, like in terms of big games, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think they've shown grandfather last year.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, I'm talking about this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this year. Look, I think they've definitely they've definitely

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<v Speaker 2>come back to the pack a bit. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>would talking about rosters and age. I think the issue

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<v Speaker 2>for Whole k are and they did fabulously well last year.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote a piece about this is the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they literally have no local juniors and you take Mikey

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<v Speaker 2>Lewis out of that team, none of those players have

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<v Speaker 2>come through Whole k Our system. And then you've only got,

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<v Speaker 2>off the top of my head Linton and Hadley who

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<v Speaker 2>came from Hole f C. But they are from Hull.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's basically an important team of other English players

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<v Speaker 2>and foreigners. So it's a kind of a moneyball approach

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<v Speaker 2>and it's very hard to do that and sustain success.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if you look at all the teams that have

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<v Speaker 2>dominated Super League over the years, weigand Bradford, Leeds, Saint Helens,

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<v Speaker 2>they've all had a core of local juniors. You know

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<v Speaker 2>Leeds it was Sinfield and Maguire and Burrow and JJB.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Saint Helens it was you know Roby and

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<v Speaker 2>Makinson and those kind of players, and a Wigan. They've

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<v Speaker 2>had a cavalcade and we're going to doing it now,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they. Like we just saw in Paris got you

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<v Speaker 2>know Pharamund and Marsden and Equasy. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>in a salary cap system, you need to have those

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<v Speaker 2>local dutis coming through because you can pay them a

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<v Speaker 2>lot less than you pay your your UNDRL imports or

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<v Speaker 2>your your your older players. So that, for me, I

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<v Speaker 2>think is the issue. There's a few older players at

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<v Speaker 2>whole k Are and they you know, there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>great lot of depth outside their first you know, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, so Willie Peters is going and I think

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<v Speaker 2>Old Kay can can rebound and still you have a

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<v Speaker 2>shot at Old Trafford this year. But you add under

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<v Speaker 2>the lost to Wakefield and you know, full credit to

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<v Speaker 2>the Wakefield. I thought that was a hell of a

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<v Speaker 2>performance and there was some very bad refereeing decisions in

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<v Speaker 2>that game. But yeah, I think have definitely dropped down

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<v Speaker 2>a perch on the on.

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<v Speaker 1>The ladder, don't. I don't think they've replaced Jared Hargraves.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the games I watched last year and well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but Hard Greaves was head and shoulders above any forward

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<v Speaker 1>on the field in any game I saw. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it was his last season. Yeah, I know mclaurum has

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<v Speaker 1>not been replaced, but I'm genuinely talking about the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of a front rower to a team, and because they've

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<v Speaker 1>not replaced him, they're just lacking that bit of bite

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<v Speaker 1>in midfield that they used to have, in that bit

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<v Speaker 1>of starch, but also the experience of him and mclaorum

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of Okay, boys, we're twelve zero down in

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<v Speaker 1>this game, don't panic, you know, these are the things

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<v Speaker 1>we need to focus on.

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<v Speaker 2>That. Yeah, I think that's the key bit. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily even what they did on the field. It's in training,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the dressing rooms. It's that inspirational, tough figure

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<v Speaker 2>who's had that experience and who knows how to win.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think those are the kind of players you

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<v Speaker 2>know when you're in the in the trenches you look

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<v Speaker 2>to and they inspire you and lead. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the things going forward that they'll need,

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<v Speaker 2>and there will be some there's obviously some some turnover there,

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<v Speaker 2>but the big one is the head coach. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>what what do they do there? And I know it

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<v Speaker 2>was it came out in Australia a couple of days

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<v Speaker 2>ago about Ben Gardner and I think you had the

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<v Speaker 2>exclusive about three weeks ago on this podcast. You're not

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<v Speaker 2>a journo, but we'll give we'll give reps to mister

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<v Speaker 2>Addison about Ben Gardner. But yeah, that's a massive it's

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<v Speaker 2>a massive decision because well, you could say they've got

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<v Speaker 2>the building blocks there for continued success with with Morgue

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<v Speaker 2>and Broadband and Litton and Mikey Lewis that have got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of older players there, whether it be Jesse,

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<v Speaker 2>Sue Burgess, Gildart Hiccu, you know, Whipbread, Rhys Martin's retiring.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they I do need some some recruits, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be an interesting time for them whether they can

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<v Speaker 2>maintain you know, they've been the best or one of

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<v Speaker 2>the two best teams for the last three years. But

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to maintain that position, isn't it unless

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<v Speaker 2>you do have that academy as well. That's throwing out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the next great play because we're just doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they? They the academy. I mean it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of them in Penrith. They are the Penrith of England.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, I mean Wigan's Academy has been going

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<v Speaker 1>for years, but it's had, you know, like anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes you can take the eye off the ball

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit and it goes from being the ten

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<v Speaker 1>out of ten academy to a seven out of ten academy. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Wigans Academy right now is at the

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<v Speaker 1>higher end of its performance levels. So I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's a that's a real that's a real, big,

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<v Speaker 1>big point to make too. Look, we're not on the

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<v Speaker 1>match report bit of the podcast, but because you've mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>because we've mentioned who k Are in depth, because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about Wigan two. But what we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>while we're here on who k Are I'll just mention

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<v Speaker 1>that they've played Wakefield this weekend Wakefield twenty six ok

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<v Speaker 1>Are twenty four in a close one tries from Pratt,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Rourke Stoughton Lino for Wakefield. Lino kicked three goals

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<v Speaker 1>for Who k Are Lewis whitbred luckily and May scored

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<v Speaker 1>the tries. Lewis kicked two and Martin scored two goals

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<v Speaker 1>as well. The big news coming out of this, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is Darryl Powell has been quite negative about the Captain's Challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>so he said the Captain's Challenges must be abolished for

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<v Speaker 1>the good of rugby league. Basically so the game lasted

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<v Speaker 1>two hours and a lot of that was down to

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<v Speaker 1>video referee Lee and rush to his time over certain

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<v Speaker 1>things and quote quoting Daryl Powell, here, we've got to

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<v Speaker 1>change it quick for the beauty of the sport, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a beautiful sport and what we're doing at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment is taking a little bit away from that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to be damaging the sport by talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it in a negative way, but I think somebody has

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<v Speaker 1>to make a decision that we change it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>asked whether he thought the idea of the Captain's Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>was soundber its implementation needed some adjustment, He said, nope,

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of it to waste the time and also,

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<v Speaker 1>Fletcher Ender asked us on X is the captain's challenge

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<v Speaker 1>being used to relieve pressure knowing it takes an eternity

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<v Speaker 1>to make a decision. Fletcher, Yes, absolutely. I mean some

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<v Speaker 1>teams just take it to us for a breather, so

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<v Speaker 1>honestly are they doing the NRL anyway? What your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on Darryl Powell's comments after that game?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, I think it is. It is adding to

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<v Speaker 2>such a long a long period and I think I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've said this before. We should have a timer on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know how long the video rev takes and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the whole video refereeing the game the Wakefield game yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the Wakefield game. You know they

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<v Speaker 2>were looking at offside from a kick, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>just look and everything else was fine on first viewing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he got the ball down blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they went back and checked about four or five

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<v Speaker 2>other things and it's like no, no, no, the ref

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<v Speaker 2>on field has said check the onside. If you said

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<v Speaker 2>check the on side and check the granning and then

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<v Speaker 2>check those two things, but you don't need to check.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, three plays before, was the play the ball right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just it's overkilled by a ridiculous thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, I've got my parents staying with me,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously I watch they don't watch Super legue. Back

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, they watched the NROL and they were they

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<v Speaker 2>were stunned how slow and how long it took. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the casual viewer, and you know, being in

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<v Speaker 2>I was at a championship game couple of weeks ago

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00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and it was kind of quite refreshing how quick and

416
00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>smooth things were. And obviously the referee decision, not necessarily

417
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 2>all the decisions were right, but you just moved on,

418
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:13.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't you. So they need to look at the video referee.

419
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.319
<v Speaker 2>They need to look at the captain's challenge. I like

420
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the captain challenge in theory, but it is taking far

421
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:22.799
<v Speaker 2>too long in Super League, and the same as the

422
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 2>video referee, and they just they seem petrified to get

423
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a decision wrong, so they'll take five minutes to review it,

424
00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:31.799
<v Speaker 2>even though they've got less camera angles than they're have

425
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.880
<v Speaker 2>in the bunker. They just need to, I think, have

426
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 2>a timer. Look, you've got this much amount of time

427
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>to make a decision. Let's get to a decision quickly.

428
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.039
<v Speaker 2>If it's wrong, it's wrong. Look, not every decision is

429
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:44.720
<v Speaker 2>going to be right anyway, Even with all the time

430
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:46.279
<v Speaker 2>in the world and a million cameras, you're not going

431
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to get every decision right. Aly, you know, there was

432
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:52.759
<v Speaker 2>the Cowboys one on Saturday morning. I'm not sure if

433
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>we saw where the ball was knocked out by the

434
00:24:56.200 --> 00:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Dolphins players as he went over the line and they

435
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:00.640
<v Speaker 2>decided to give it a try. I thought that was

436
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:04.640
<v Speaker 2>personally a joke. But that's that's you know, Look, we

437
00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.079
<v Speaker 2>have different opinions, aren't we. That's that's the beauty of life.

438
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we do for the product, we do need

439
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:12.720
<v Speaker 2>to speed things up and we do need to try

440
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and not add more stoppages. In my opinion, I agree

441
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:16.680
<v Speaker 2>with with that on that.

442
00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.599
<v Speaker 1>So we've spoken about ok Are in the context of

443
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the Challenge Cup final and then that brought us to Wakefield,

444
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>who they played this week. So it's only right now

445
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>we talk about Wigan and I think what's interesting about

446
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Wigan season is they have seemingly used the Cup to

447
00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:41.160
<v Speaker 1>reignite their season because their form six weeks ago wasn't

448
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:46.160
<v Speaker 1>crashed hot and now you know a few weeks is

449
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>a long time in rugby league, isn't it. Wigan racking

450
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.079
<v Speaker 1>up some big scores. They've got some of their troops back.

451
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Bever and French popped up for the for the Cup

452
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 1>final as well. They played Catalans this weekend. Catalan sixteen

453
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>tries from far tarpe Lepovich, Sarte, goals from Sexton who

454
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>kicked two, Wigan forty tries from Field and Sember Marsden,

455
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 1>Farrem and Warder lecles they Kieran and six goals from Kieran.

456
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 1>It was played in Paris and I think that was

457
00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 1>a potential banana skin for Wigan after winning the Cup.

458
00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.839
<v Speaker 1>They played it at the home of rugby union outfit

459
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>start from Say to mark the thirtieth anniversary of Super

460
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>League as well as the twentieth anniversary of Catalan's debut

461
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in the league. And I assume Catalans would have fancied

462
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:41.079
<v Speaker 1>their chances in this game. New coach, he'd have had

463
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks with his team and a big,

464
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a big poignancy to that fixture and then we're going

465
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.559
<v Speaker 1>to have turned up even with a Challenge Cup final hangover.

466
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>And trust me, I was at Wigan when we want

467
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>a Challenge Cup final. I know what the what their

468
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 1>celebrations can be like. And they've wiped the floor with

469
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Catalans as they've gone over there, so we can look

470
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>in the goods again.

471
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah they are. I mean I even with the Challenge

472
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Cup and the hangover of that. I think Steve Rest

473
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Mascot has written a piece for our Patreon about we

474
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.680
<v Speaker 2>again and young players don't party like they used to

475
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.839
<v Speaker 2>back in shall we Say Our Day? And many Pete

476
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 2>has said that impresses before, but I still fancied again.

477
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean Catalans, I've got a number of problems. They've

478
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>not played well very often this year, and even with

479
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>all the emotion of Paris and you know all that,

480
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.839
<v Speaker 2>I just I just backed we're going. I didn't necessarily

481
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>see the score line. I think it would have been

482
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit closer, but yeah, we can have. I think,

483
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>as you said, use the cup. I think they started

484
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.079
<v Speaker 2>something like they won the first five, didn't they? And

485
00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Speaker 2>then they dropped a few surprising games. I lost the

486
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Cardi field, they lost to cast. A lot of people

487
00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>were criticizing them, and they've just yeah, the massively turned

488
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the corner. And I think they usually have a they

489
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:11.599
<v Speaker 2>have a bit of a lull later in the season,

490
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>but they've managed to really just turbo charge themselves and

491
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.640
<v Speaker 2>they were they were awesome in Paris. I mean George Marsden,

492
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I think it's his is his third or fourth game.

493
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, to play with that kind of confidence. The

494
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 2>skill he reminds me, I mean, completely different sort of

495
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:31.480
<v Speaker 2>player and he doesn't have that left foot step, but

496
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of like Brad Fittler back you know

497
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 2>when he burst he was a schoolboy playing for Penrith,

498
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>and then Jack Farraman just you know, I remember when

499
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.000
<v Speaker 2>he came in two years ago. I thought, this kid's,

500
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, so much skill, he's going to be a star.

501
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 2>And they've just got the half back partnership for the

502
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>next ten to fifteen years already there before bevn friend

503
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Jenaro Smith go. So I think if you're a Wigan fan,

504
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 2>you're sitting pretty at the moment because that production line

505
00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 2>is looks so good. I mean, Junior December has gone

506
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 2>to a new level. Zach Eckersley I think performed that

507
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.359
<v Speaker 2>he's on the ability that he can play so many positions.

508
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 2>He should be in the world. Scott for me World

509
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Cup squad for me because he's so versatile and I

510
00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 2>just look a very happy bunch. We're a very connected,

511
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:25.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, really really motivated and yeah, just impressive performance

512
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.839
<v Speaker 2>again at Wembley as well as in Paris.

513
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Another one of the big hitting teams at the top

514
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of the table. They've got some changes coming up, Warrington snaids,

515
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 1>I assume retiring from the game or no.

516
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:40.079
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no.

517
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>He's been in talks with I know at least one

518
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 2>championship club in Oldham, so I.

519
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Think he won in Oldham. There's there's no one championship.

520
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.079
<v Speaker 2>One championship club which is Oldham. I would imagine. I

521
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>would imagine he's having conversations with others. I think I

522
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 2>think he's He's been linked to Hole f C, which

523
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I think I'll see may be denied, but I'm pretty sure.

524
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Although Warrington told me no decision it had been made yet,

525
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 2>my understanding is that he won't be resigned by Warrenton.

526
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 2>He'll be leaving Warrington. Obviously, Warrington have signed Bradie Croft

527
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and they've got a lot of young halfbacks there they

528
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.880
<v Speaker 2>want to give opportunities to. But yeah, he'll be going

529
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>and I think you know, I think he's had a

530
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 2>great career. Marks the debut for Salford at twenty ten

531
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure he could do a job. You know,

532
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>you look at the we talk about the player depth

533
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.799
<v Speaker 2>in super League. I mean if you're a York or

534
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>a Bradford or to lose, he'd be fantastic pick up

535
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>for him.

536
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Toby King as well, he's off, Where's where's he going?

537
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 1>You left for him only he's.

538
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Going to London. So obviously we don't know what's happening

539
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 2>with London next year that they want to come into

540
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.480
<v Speaker 2>super League. Theyve been pushing for a fifteen team super League.

541
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I'll speak for you here, Lee when I would say

542
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.720
<v Speaker 2>that you the same as me, would be against a

543
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:07.039
<v Speaker 2>fifteen team super League. Yes, And I think that's all

544
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 2>you did to say. And you know, anyone who watched

545
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>the hardest field game yesterday, I mean, yeah, Huddersfield they

546
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>need to be basically relegated. I think that's the only

547
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>really word for it. So you could see London coming

548
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:23.599
<v Speaker 2>in for them if that's how it works under IMG.

549
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, London, I think you know, it's hard for

550
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>them to recruit when you don't know what division you're in,

551
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 2>but I think Tooby King's a good, solid signing for

552
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 2>them for next year.

553
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Warrington twelve or FC four. Smith scored two tries and

554
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Snaid kicked two goals for them. Did you see any

555
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of that game, because last or through Baron.

556
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I was watching the Castleford the League game which was

557
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 2>on at the same time, but I did switch over

558
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>and caught the end of it, and I did read

559
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 2>some of the social media and apparently it was one

560
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of the worst games of all time. It was absolutely dreadful.

561
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And I saw Sam Burgess's interview on Sky and he

562
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>basically intimated the same thing. I mean, it was pretty

563
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>honors and blunt and it was an absolute bludger of

564
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>a game. I mean, Holly of c We've talked about

565
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>them a fair bit. They had obviously a statement from

566
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>their owners through the week. They're just a club with big,

567
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:22.680
<v Speaker 2>big issues. I mean, the whole John carter I don't

568
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.799
<v Speaker 2>want to go over it again, but the whole John

569
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 2>carter I thing was was poorly handled and then they

570
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.279
<v Speaker 2>tried to spin it and they didn't do a very

571
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>good job of that. And I think some of their

572
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 2>recruitment decisions have obviously they've got a lot of injuries

573
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 2>as well, but I think they've made poor recruitment as well,

574
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 2>so that's kind of the chickens are coming home to

575
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:47.559
<v Speaker 2>roost there. And I think Warrington they had I think

576
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you and Irwin pulled out right on the day of

577
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>the game, and I had some spine issues so they

578
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>had to shuffle around. But yeah, it was just a

579
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 2>very poor game. But if you're Warrington, you're just happy

580
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you've got the win and you move on to next week.

581
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Lead Ranalds extend the lead at the top of the

582
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:07.039
<v Speaker 1>table beating Saint Helen's twenty four sixteen. Was that Thursday night, John,

583
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 1>was it or Friday?

584
00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:10.440
<v Speaker 2>It was Thursday night. Yeah, I was at that game.

585
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I think when you saw who sat Hans had out

586
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 2>with suspensions and injuries, you were like our Leeds to

587
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>win this game. It was a bit of strange. Acers

588
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Helen started really strongly, took the lead, Leeds came back

589
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>in to do it. It was quite entertaining finished, but

590
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot of errors, a lot of mistakes.

591
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.519
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't necessarily the highest quality game, but and Jake

592
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Connor lost his head numerous times. But again, if your

593
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>leads important win. They showed enough bottle to come back

594
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 2>and win it at the death and David Klemer with

595
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>that kind of yellow card which was pretty pervot.

596
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 1>A later on Bradford Bulls thirty York Knights York York

597
00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Nights twenty Riley Dean scored eighteen points on his Bradford

598
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Bull's debut. Not for Loom. I've got a hat trick

599
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>for York. Did you see any of that game?

600
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was another one that was on at the

601
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.280
<v Speaker 2>same time on Friday night. While I was watching the

602
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.039
<v Speaker 2>cast game, I went to watch the highlights on Saturday morning.

603
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 2>They weren't available, which is always good on score. But yeah,

604
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>full credit to Bradford. I think I had a man

605
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Aniaker's symbined. It came back and went one and so

606
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>good on them for you know, another another win in

607
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.599
<v Speaker 2>the in this season back in Yeah.

608
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Castleford fourteen Lee twenty four, a fifth victory and six

609
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 1>games fully there on the March. It's just seven into

610
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>six might not go or eight into six might not go.

611
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the big improvers aren't I thought. I thought Carstlefford

612
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:56.519
<v Speaker 2>were very good in this game as well. They've turned

613
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.559
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a corner late and looks like they're

614
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>going to get excuse me, Tyrol Sloan another Saint Georgia

615
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Lawara play. Obviously that Ryan Carr would have coached last year.

616
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.559
<v Speaker 2>He's been lit with them for twenty twenty seven. But yeah,

617
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>there was some interesting decisions from the rest. I think

618
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Jack Hugh's elbow to the face of one of the

619
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 2>players didn't get called. That was a bit a bit

620
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>harsh on cast. But yeah, it was a good, good

621
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>entertaining game, very competitive and Leah, they're really pushing up

622
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<v Speaker 2>that table lee, so watch out. I guess the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>When you were saying they're really pushing up that table lee,

624
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<v Speaker 1>did you mean Lee as in el double Lee me

625
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<v Speaker 1>or Lee as in men as in the Leopards. Okay,

626
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<v Speaker 1>thank you. There's no Super League games on Sunday? Is there? Now?

627
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<v Speaker 2>There's another another Sunday where there's been quite a few

628
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<v Speaker 2>I think of late Look yesterday with the Saturday it

629
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<v Speaker 2>worked quite well, but the problem is they weren't so

630
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<v Speaker 2>I think it was three o'clock. I watched every game.

631
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<v Speaker 2>It was three o'clock huvers Field to lose Atjesbrey and

632
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<v Speaker 2>I've not seen a crowd finger a figure sorry announced,

633
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<v Speaker 2>but it'd have to be one of the lowest Super

634
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>League crowds for quite a while. I think it didn't

635
00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.039
<v Speaker 2>look like there was a lot of people at the

636
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Flair Stadium. And then the Wakefield game, I'm not sure

637
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>exactly when it kicked off of it was twenty pas

638
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 2>four or whatever, but you kind of each game into

639
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<v Speaker 2>the next game, and then the Wakefield wholeal game was

640
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.679
<v Speaker 2>very entertaining. Was it was a bizarre game at times,

641
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>but it was It was definitely thrilling and that that

642
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Jpitz offload flick offload for Mason Mino to score the

643
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 2>winner with two minutes ago was brilliant. And then switching

644
00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>over to the Wigan game but I think it was

645
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 2>like about five or ten minutes in and that was

646
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously an entertaining game, some brilliant skill from from Wigan,

647
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:02.119
<v Speaker 2>from Marsden and Farm London in SA. But but yeah,

648
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I like the Stagger on the Saturday, but nothing on

649
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the Sunday, which when you've got three games on a

650
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Friday night can being which other it seems a bit

651
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>stupid to me. It's a free hit a Sunday game,

652
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.079
<v Speaker 2>particularly I mean, we're at the point of the season,

653
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:20.199
<v Speaker 2>aren't we. There's no football because the club season's finished

654
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and the World Cup, the Fifth World Cup is a

655
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>week away, isn't it. So the other thing is with

656
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<v Speaker 2>the times of the Fifth World Cup, they're not very

657
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 2>friendly a lot of them to the UK audience. There's

658
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>quite a few games at midnight at five am, so

659
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>three am. So yeah, I don't know the scheduling why

660
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>there's no Sunday games. I think it's a missed opportunity

661
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion.

662
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I've which through the score lines and some of the

663
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<v Speaker 1>news items just because we've got some real good questions

664
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<v Speaker 1>this week. And if you want to get questions to

665
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>myself or John, John likes someone X, so it's at

666
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Johnny D. Davidson and you can get me on X

667
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 1>as well at rol Coach on the net, but John's

668
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 1>more of an X man. You can email me admin

669
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<v Speaker 1>at Rugby League Coach dot com. But say you there's one.

670
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>We've had here for a couple of weeks. But because

671
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>we had a week off and we've mentioned already Wigan's

672
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>academy and we can have a deep dive into these questions.

673
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<v Speaker 1>It was Adam, who said highly hope you and John

674
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<v Speaker 1>are well. If you had time in the podcast, I

675
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>wondered if you could discuss Chris Radlinsky's comments around Wigan's

676
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>struggles retaining academy talent due to the salary cap. My

677
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.639
<v Speaker 1>feeling is that some of the club's are counting on

678
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 1>clubs like Wigan needing to release academy players because of

679
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>this salary cap. Why putting the hard graft when we're

680
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>going are doing it for them. I don't think clubs

681
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 1>should just be further incentivized to develop young players. I

682
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 1>think they should be compelled to do so as a

683
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 1>criteria of Super League membership, I e. Clubs would have

684
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.079
<v Speaker 1>to document how they've invested x percent of turnover or

685
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>broadcasting them into youth development. They could do this in

686
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a variety of ways, more talent scouts, improved facilities for

687
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 1>academy sides, investment in youth clubs, et cetera. Be interesting

688
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>to know what you think you go first, John, I mean, now,

689
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got big history in player development, so I can

690
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>come at certain angles, but you you will know more

691
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 1>about the reality of it. I suppose, yeah, I mean

692
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>it's a really it's a really good question and thanks

693
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>for that. I think there's a lot of tenets to it.

694
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<v Speaker 1>I think I don't know exactly.

695
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 2>When there weren't terned for Wigan, it might have been

696
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten or before that, but I think particularly since then,

697
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, with Sam Tompkins and others, they've used the

698
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Kademy not only as an income income source in terms

699
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 2>of selling talent to the NRL, but they've worked out

700
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<v Speaker 2>that in a salary cap sport, it's kind of vital

701
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that you produce your own players because, as I said before,

702
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you can play them less under the cap, it's easier

703
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.559
<v Speaker 2>to retain them. They're more likely to take less than

704
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>they can get elsewhere because they feel a loyalty to

705
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the club. They feel the connection, and I think we're

706
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:16.639
<v Speaker 2>going to have been for a long time very good

707
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>at getting those you know, fifteen year olds in and

708
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.239
<v Speaker 2>teaching them the wig and way, you know, the culture

709
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.840
<v Speaker 2>of the club, you know, a style of rugby league

710
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:33.159
<v Speaker 2>that is you know, distinct to them. And also, yeah,

711
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.079
<v Speaker 2>the fact that it just gives you a salary cup

712
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.400
<v Speaker 2>advantage now where you can't keep all your players because

713
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 2>of the salary Cup. What you can do is you

714
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 2>can have them for a period and you can obviously

715
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:45.800
<v Speaker 2>pick which ones you want to keep it which ones

716
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately you might have to let go. But then you

717
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<v Speaker 2>bring things through the next generation. And they're doing that,

718
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, with Marsden and Pheromone and others. And now

719
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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the other clubs, Look, the difference is

720
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<v Speaker 2>I think a super league is there isn't a huge

721
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. One of the reasons why not every club

722
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>has an academy is yes, money because it takes money

723
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to fund it and put into it. But also there

724
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't just the raw amount of players that there used

725
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>to be. Participation has dropped a lot, so it's not like,

726
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, there is the playing base that there is

727
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 2>in Penrith.

728
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Or and towns have changed significantly to their their industry

729
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 1>has changed. I mean yeh, So to the point about

730
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 1>making clubs develop their own I mean there's some areas

731
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in old fashioned rugby league areas now where they'd be

732
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>hard pressed getting a population of people together full stop.

733
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<v Speaker 1>Never mind yeah, never mind academy talent.

734
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<v Speaker 2>The thing is you look at you look at the

735
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Wigan Academy, is it isn't just kids from Wigan, you know,

736
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>You look at Zach Eckers, okay it's from Oldham. You

737
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>look at who's you know, who's now playing for camera?

738
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Sorry camera, You've got morgansm These and Manny Nicholson where

739
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I left there from Halifax. Jack Faramond is not from Wigan,

740
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>he's from Lee. Now you can say that's next door,

741
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 2>which it is. But the thing is we're going to

742
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 2>identified quite a long time ago that there isn't just

743
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can't just look at the kids in ourtown.

744
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>We need to look further afield and get the best

745
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 2>kids from the country. And other clubs have done this.

746
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Leeds have been doing it for a while, Saint Helen's,

747
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, they've been taking the best kids from Witness

748
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. So that's just there's a shrinking platform.

749
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>So it's not just as easy as put money into

750
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 2>your academy and you all have a Wigan style academy.

751
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I think we need to expand the whole participation base first.

752
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.480
<v Speaker 2>But in saying that, I don't think you can necessarily

753
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>tell each club Okay, you have to have academy and

754
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 2>you have to put X in it. You know, we

755
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.400
<v Speaker 2>can go, we can deep dive for into this. But

756
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you look at say a club like Canberra Lee, there

757
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.760
<v Speaker 2>some are in the sense that don't have the local juniors.

758
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:04.400
<v Speaker 2>They do have some local juniors and they're very good

759
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 2>at picking you know, from the River Arena and timor

760
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.480
<v Speaker 2>and like that. But they've also historically always been very

761
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Speaker 2>good at picking up kids from New Zealand and kids

762
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.719
<v Speaker 2>from Queensland and another areas to help themselves and mainly

763
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 2>have done the same. There's obviously manly juniors in the

764
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.119
<v Speaker 2>manly team like the troboyvich Is, you know, Joey Walsh,

765
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:31.719
<v Speaker 2>et cetera. But they've also historically been very good at

766
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 2>getting Kiwi's and Queenslanders, you know, whether it be Batty

767
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Vaud and Chris Cloves going back, et cetera, et cetera.

768
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>So I don't think there's necessarily a one size fits

769
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>model for every club in every area. You know, Newcastle

770
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 2>in Australia and Penrith are going to have more advantages

771
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:52.039
<v Speaker 2>than say Sydney Roosters, and the Roosters don't have many

772
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.280
<v Speaker 2>local juniors, but they've been very good at getting Boyd

773
00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Cordner from North and New South Wales from La Troll

774
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Mitchell from what Tara or wherever he's from. You know.

775
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's not a one size fits all model for me.

776
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But in saying that, I think what we're going to

777
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>do is fantastic and it's a great model, and you

778
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.599
<v Speaker 2>know they're reaping the rewards of what they do.

779
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>In my eagerness to get to that question, I forgot

780
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the game and you answered the last one with many

781
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 1>of the points I was going to make. By the way,

782
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 1>but there was a match between the bottom two in

783
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield to lose. Came over and conquered Huddersfield sixteen to

784
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>lose thirty six. Huddersfield scored through Greenwood, Flannagan and Gaguy

785
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Flannagan to kick two goals, but to lose were too

786
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.239
<v Speaker 1>good for them. Ocaine scored too, Ulberg scored just so

787
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 1>just Army two, kai Ward Where's what's his name? Ash

788
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Old Bolt Sharrock scored six goals. He was playing and

789
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.480
<v Speaker 1>that's to lose his fourth win of the season.

790
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, it was a good win for to lose.

791
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I just say Huddersfield are dire lola here. Some of

792
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the stuff he did on the field was very poor

793
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>and they just need Haddersfield. I mean they need I

794
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>tweeted this during the game and a few people pushed

795
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.239
<v Speaker 2>back on it. I said, they need a major, major

796
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>squad reset. But you know I've written this before. The

797
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.079
<v Speaker 2>club needs a whole reset. You know, the people have

798
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:32.519
<v Speaker 2>been running the club for the same people for twenty

799
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.280
<v Speaker 2>thirty years, and they keep bringing new coaches and sacking

800
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the coaches. It's not the coaches fault. The whole club

801
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>needs a need.

802
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:41.760
<v Speaker 1>To lead them on the championship.

803
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think I think unleashed them their director

804
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>for change. They's got them unleashed.

805
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:52.360
<v Speaker 1>But unfortunately Jews. But didn't they Yeah, they didn't.

806
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>I heard this a while ago before the latest news

807
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.679
<v Speaker 2>about the Shay that they were looking to.

808
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 1>People might not know that because we've been away for

809
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>two weeks. What's some news about the Shape?

810
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh that basically Ken Davey isn't going to buy the Shade.

811
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 2>There's been some pushback from people in Halffax and with

812
00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the council there. But there'd been some speculation a while

813
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>ago that he was going to Buyewsbury Neewsbury Rams and

814
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 2>then it would be some sort of York Newcastle arrangement

815
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:24.559
<v Speaker 2>where it Neewsbury became a feeder team and that they

816
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>would play out of Dewsbury's ground. Now I don't know

817
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.079
<v Speaker 2>if that is true, but obviously where they're playing in

818
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Huddersfield at the whatever it is, the AQ Stadium now

819
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not sustainable and Nerewsbury would be another option. But yeah, Huddersfield,

820
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 2>there's just so many issues at the club, whether it

821
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:49.320
<v Speaker 2>be recruitment, whether it be coaching, whether it be administration,

822
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:55.159
<v Speaker 2>whether it be marketing. Yeah, and it was My missus

823
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>watched the game with me and her comment was this

824
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.199
<v Speaker 2>is shit and she doesn't want to shot a lot

825
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.719
<v Speaker 2>of rugby league. But her on the podcast makes she's

826
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:06.719
<v Speaker 2>more a rude than you with that assessment. She's more

827
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>to the point these Yorkshire people, mate, they've got no.

828
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Is the shape is the Shae still in the process

829
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>of being built because for about twenty years, well no

830
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I haven't.

831
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:23.519
<v Speaker 2>I haven't been there since the twenty third name World Cup.

832
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 2>But no, it's built. It's a bit it's a bit

833
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>old and antipidated. But Ken Davey has paid for a

834
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>new pitch, I believe. But the thing is, and you

835
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 2>see this with teams in all sorts of sports. If

836
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you move out of your home city, you're never gonna

837
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're going to increase your crowds are You're like,

838
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.119
<v Speaker 2>you're basically one step towards the grave. So whether they

839
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>play in Halifax or Dewsbury, if you're Huddersfield, you know

840
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.639
<v Speaker 2>it's not good. And you know we've seen that more

841
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>ricently with shefferd Urgeles. They played at Wakefield, they played

842
00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 2>at Rotherham, they played at Doncaster and their crowds have

843
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 2>just gone playing a drum field which is not even

844
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>in Sheffield either.

845
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>So you know now what Johnny Davidson does sometimes on

846
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Johnny d Davidson on X is he asks for questions

847
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 1>of the podcast and then answers them on X rather

848
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:16.880
<v Speaker 1>than getting people to listen to the podcast. But for

849
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>those who didn't see his answer to Ben, Ben Blackwell asked,

850
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>with Abdoll leaving his role, is it imperative for super

851
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 1>League to get an NRL deal sorted prior to his

852
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>departure or is any deal dependent on the value of

853
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>NRL rights our sole before an offer is presented, as

854
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel PVO will be more ruthless in negotiations if

855
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 1>the drags on post ab Doll.

856
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think I think you know a

857
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 2>little bit about this as well.

858
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Lee.

859
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>But from what I've I've been told and also from

860
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 2>what I've read, I mean, Abdo was always kind of

861
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the safeguard with PVO, wasn't he. You know, I think, PVO,

862
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.280
<v Speaker 2>we'll do this, we'll do that, and then Abdo has

863
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 2>got to try and deliver it and say, Okay, maybe

864
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:07.360
<v Speaker 2>that's not such a good idea. And I think there

865
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 2>has been some conflict between the two of them. But

866
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think no, I don't think a deal needs

867
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>to be done before he leaves. I think my understanding

868
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 2>is that the NRL wants to sort out its own

869
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 2>TV deal first and obviously seeing how much money it

870
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 2>can bring in before getting to super League. I think

871
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 2>PVL is still quite keen on getting a super League

872
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:33.719
<v Speaker 2>deal done. But the whole PVL thinks very interesting, isn't it.

873
00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 2>He wants to be executive chairman, fewer supreme leader.

874
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Of although he is it everywhere.

875
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I don't know why he denies it,

876
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 2>because it's quite clear. I mean, he kind of has

877
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:49.800
<v Speaker 2>been for a while anyway, hasn't he. I think the

878
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.119
<v Speaker 2>only really check has been abdo the board, the commission

879
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:55.519
<v Speaker 2>board has been you know. The accusation is that they're

880
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:59.159
<v Speaker 2>all yes men or yes women. But they have to

881
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 2>change the constitution, don't they to make him supreme leader.

882
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Now I've heard that Paramatta and SaaS are against making

883
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:14.079
<v Speaker 2>him executive chairman, and I think all the clubs apparently

884
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.079
<v Speaker 2>need to agree, So it'll be interesting to see how

885
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 2>that plays out as well.

886
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.079
<v Speaker 1>And he also needs both states.

887
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I don't know. I don't know where the state's

888
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:26.400
<v Speaker 2>in on that. Looking it's not an attack on PVL.

889
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I think PVL has done an amazing job run the

890
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 2>game and it's grown. But I also don't think giving

891
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:38.320
<v Speaker 2>one individual absolute power in anything in any walk of

892
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:41.880
<v Speaker 2>like of any industry is generally good in a longer

893
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:46.519
<v Speaker 2>term scenario. Yeah, but other people will disagree with that.

894
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 2>That's just my own personal.

895
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 1>JJ Smith asked for our thoughts on the Bray mcdomott

896
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.599
<v Speaker 1>podcast with James Graham his view on the Super League

897
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:57.880
<v Speaker 1>versus NRL comparisons and where the game is at the moment,

898
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and we both said on exit we had watched it.

899
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Well this morning I had a look so Brian mcdurmamt

900
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 1>at the brand new coach of England. My thoughts are,

901
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a few people raving a little bit

902
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 1>about Brian McDermott. He's the person I wanted, right if

903
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't Wayne Bennett for a bit and then Brian Herbert.

904
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Brian mcdermotts the one I wanted. He spoke to me

905
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly how I had to expect somebody given the top

906
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 1>job in the country to speak, quite frankly. So he's

907
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.559
<v Speaker 1>a better communicator than Sean Wayne. Sean Wayne is a

908
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>is a communicator. Don't don't be mean Sean Wayne. Sean

909
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.880
<v Speaker 1>Wayne communicates and it's very clear what Sean Wayne's thinking.

910
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 1>But Brian mcdermot's a better orator basically and and looks

911
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>at different things, and I I hope he gets an

912
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 1>extended run in the job. He also made some good

913
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 1>points about the the number of sets it takes to

914
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.840
<v Speaker 1>score a try in the NRL versus Super League, et cetera.

915
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was quite nice about su Bully, quite frankly,

916
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 1>rather than saying what your missus said about it being

917
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 1>shipped one game, just one game, yeah, I I was

918
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:24.559
<v Speaker 1>to answer JJ, Yeah, I mean, I'm glad he's England

919
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 1>coach and that's probably the best, the best thing I

920
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 1>can say about him.

921
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So John, I haven't I haven't had a chance to

922
00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:34.840
<v Speaker 2>listen or watch watch it yet. I will do this week.

923
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.519
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean I think buying m it's a

924
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:41.639
<v Speaker 2>fascinating figure, isn't he with his background, his history, and

925
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.719
<v Speaker 2>he clearly can coach. You look at you know what

926
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:48.360
<v Speaker 2>he did at Leeds, what he did landon so it's

927
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>going to be really interesting what he does with with England.

928
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Not a lot of leads and I'm not a lot

929
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 2>of prep, but I think he I think he's a

930
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.440
<v Speaker 2>decent appointment.

931
00:52:56.840 --> 00:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>You can't underestimate time in Australia though, I mean, I

932
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.599
<v Speaker 1>know my yeah, personal personal rugby league IQ went up

933
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.559
<v Speaker 1>several notches just after living in Australia for two years

934
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.519
<v Speaker 1>and coaching at the level of coached that because you

935
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.639
<v Speaker 1>get exposed to more scrutiny. You get exposed to more

936
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 1>scrutiny from the people who were on your side, and

937
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>you get exposed to more scrutiny by your opponents, better

938
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.679
<v Speaker 1>players that you're coaching against and better coaches that you're

939
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 1>coaching against. I remember learning a lesson very early that

940
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.920
<v Speaker 1>about how even coaches at lower level study tape and

941
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:38.079
<v Speaker 1>and they caught me out in one game and that

942
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I never I never ever made the same mistake again,

943
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and if anything, I overcompensated for that. So you know,

944
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.440
<v Speaker 1>I think Brian McDermott has done a few years now

945
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:55.159
<v Speaker 1>in the NRL system and it's paying dividends. John Hodgson asks,

946
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:59.440
<v Speaker 1>with the talk about player welfare from the RLPA wire

947
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Origin players still allowed to back up and play for

948
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 1>their clubs a couple of days later.

949
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.320
<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. I don't exactly know the answer

950
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:10.599
<v Speaker 2>for that.

951
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Well I've got an answer.

952
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Well there.

953
00:54:15.039 --> 00:54:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, they pay the wages, so so

954
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 1>they want outcome. Secondly, a lot of these clubs are

955
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:25.719
<v Speaker 1>actually very good over here at the sports science type things,

956
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:31.480
<v Speaker 1>so assessing where their players are at and and measuring

957
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>it rather than just going off their Jedi powers kind

958
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:38.239
<v Speaker 1>of thing. Thirdly, younger players tend to be able to

959
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>back up a lot easier. Fourthly, in Australian culture, as

960
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 1>you grow up, there's carnivals where players play day after

961
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:48.320
<v Speaker 1>day after day after day. A lot of Australian kids

962
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:50.639
<v Speaker 1>play two games in one day quite often as well.

963
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 1>It's not yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not. It's certainly not

964
00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 1>frowned upon over here. What will say though, that will

965
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:05.559
<v Speaker 1>that is going another layer or putting another layer onto

966
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 1>this as players they want to play. It's the training,

967
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>it's the problem. It's the training exactly, you know it's there.

968
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 1>It's the they would rather play two games a week

969
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and have lower training loads than play once a week

970
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.679
<v Speaker 1>and have to taper and all this kind of thing.

971
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:29.880
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's a great question because you can

972
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>understand why somebody might get confused by that. But the

973
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:35.760
<v Speaker 1>reality is training is a means to an end, and

974
00:55:35.800 --> 00:55:39.760
<v Speaker 1>it's so we can play the game. And quite frankly,

975
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:43.679
<v Speaker 1>I think there's less players backing up now than used

976
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to for for obvious reasons. And I think they've got

977
00:55:48.800 --> 00:55:51.719
<v Speaker 1>the balance about right now. I think it's about twenty

978
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 1>or thirty percent of players that back up now after

979
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Origin in many ways.

980
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Quick question for it, Lee, have you have you found

981
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>after you spit after Origin one? Because obviously we're going

982
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to we're.

983
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Going to get to Origin and oh yeah, especially as

984
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got you on Bainesy eighty three said, I am

985
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 1>sensing some conflict when the Ponger incident is mentioned, but

986
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:18.880
<v Speaker 1>he wants to know what the pathways route is in

987
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Australia and how it should be structured in the UK,

988
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:23.639
<v Speaker 1>and what would the NRL look to do about pathways

989
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:28.199
<v Speaker 1>if they become a stakeholder. Again, this is a bit

990
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of my especial. It was never better than under David Waite,

991
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 1>under the and Chris Chapman, when the Sport England guys

992
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>funded it quite significantly. And the reality is I don't

993
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.519
<v Speaker 1>think you need loads of funding to do some of

994
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.519
<v Speaker 1>the things that they did, quite frankly, but when it

995
00:56:48.679 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 1>was best, we had service areas. Now, I was only

996
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.480
<v Speaker 1>having this conversation with somebody in Maitland. I was near

997
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.920
<v Speaker 1>your home, Pats, the other day and we were talking

998
00:56:59.000 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 1>about how Australia is useless at dual use.

999
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1000
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.559
<v Speaker 1>So what I mean by dual use in that regard

1001
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.159
<v Speaker 1>is every school tends to have a sports hall, many

1002
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>of them have a gym, they have fields etc. At

1003
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 1>three o'clock. They don't get used after three o'clock and

1004
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>then there'll be a club just down the road that's

1005
00:57:21.960 --> 00:57:24.440
<v Speaker 1>got its own field is trying to raise money for

1006
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 1>its own gym. If somebody had a bigger picture thought

1007
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:32.400
<v Speaker 1>we'd combine all resources. Well anyway, under the service area

1008
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:38.159
<v Speaker 1>style of development under David Waite Chris Chapman, I'm talking

1009
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.119
<v Speaker 1>late nineties to I don't know when the end of

1010
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:49.480
<v Speaker 1>it was, but in the tens, not the notice. There

1011
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:54.440
<v Speaker 1>were service areas where if twenty players were identified from club,

1012
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 1>they'd scout the schools would say, well have you seen

1013
00:57:57.719 --> 00:57:59.880
<v Speaker 1>these two players that aren't on that list, And then

1014
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the somebody at the church would say

1015
00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:05.360
<v Speaker 1>do you know about this player who's not played for

1016
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 1>two years? But they just pitch everything together and there

1017
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:13.880
<v Speaker 1>was committees formed essentially from all facets of the game. Okay,

1018
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.079
<v Speaker 1>so if you imagine the different people who play rugby

1019
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>league at different levels, there's the amateurs, professionals, the police,

1020
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the students, the army, the navy, et cetera, et cetera,

1021
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. So that was the best system and there

1022
00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.400
<v Speaker 1>was a filtered way of doing it and it was

1023
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>all based on evidence. You had to justify your selections.

1024
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Once nepotism becomes an issue, once bias becomes an issue,

1025
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>then your development system can falter because the best aren't

1026
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>necessarily rising to the crop, to the best to the top. Sorry. Look,

1027
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the kind of thing that needs to happen. It's

1028
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:59.159
<v Speaker 1>not a magic pill. It's not a case of they

1029
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 1>do something in Australia that they don't do in England.

1030
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:07.280
<v Speaker 1>The development system in Australia is always changing and I

1031
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 1>don't think they know what the best thing is and

1032
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.199
<v Speaker 1>there's thousands and thousands of kids who get missed in

1033
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.719
<v Speaker 1>this country. It's actually been really disappointing and it's one

1034
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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons my business exists, which is at Rugby

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00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.000
<v Speaker 1>League Coach dot com to tay you if you were wondering.

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<v Speaker 1>So the reality is in England, all they need to

1037
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 1>do is find out who the best people are in

1038
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the United Kingdom capable of playing rugby league, and in

1039
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 1>a very very very very very layman's way of putting it,

1040
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 1>they need to give them the option of playing some

1041
00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 1>rugby league somewhere somehow. That's what a good development system is,

1042
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 1>and then if they're good at it, you identify them

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00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and move them up to the next level. I could

1044
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 1>literally fill a podcast with this, but that's the basic

1045
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 1>tenants of it. Tenants of it do you want to

1046
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 1>say something, I can tell your mouth move then I

1047
00:59:59.519 --> 00:59:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was just going to s.

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01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

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01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, at the very early level, it's

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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 2>just literally going to schools and giving people the opportunity

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01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.440
<v Speaker 2>to play. I know with my daughter, obviously she'd grown

1052
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:14.719
<v Speaker 2>up around it but never had any interest or whatever.

1053
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 2>And then Sheffield Eagles did a you know, came into

1054
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.320
<v Speaker 2>her class and that would I think it was a

1055
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 2>tag thing or whatever, and she, you know, she got

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01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.320
<v Speaker 2>interested and I took her to a few fit training

1057
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 2>sessions and you know, to a Super League game and

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01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.480
<v Speaker 2>she loved it. So that's how you've got to build

1059
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 2>that early connection, you know, when they're maybe five years, six, seven, eight, nine,

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01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:35.639
<v Speaker 2>ten years old. You know you've got to start that

1061
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you've got to continue it. So I think

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01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.760
<v Speaker 2>schools is a big thing that Australia has got right

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01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that England apart from a handful of schools it's rugby league.

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01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't really exist in the schools, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a big problem for me.

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01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Dave Campbell said, possible rule change not another one day.

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01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Surely Ryan Hall should have to catch the ball cleanly

1068
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.760
<v Speaker 1>when stepping all of the touch line to gain a

1069
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.639
<v Speaker 1>penalty from a kickoff, and he's put an asterisk next

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01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:10.000
<v Speaker 1>to Ryan Hall saying obviously all players, what's it going

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01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:10.400
<v Speaker 1>on about?

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<v Speaker 2>Job? He's referring to Thursday night when Ryan Hood did

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01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that from a shun's kickoff. I agree with him. I

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01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:19.559
<v Speaker 2>think you should have to catch it cleanly, not kind

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01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.679
<v Speaker 2>of catching, and then drop the ball knock it on

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01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 2>as well. I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know what you're going on about, Hoy said,

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01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I saw it in another comment. But kickoffs that are

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01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 1>bang on the money but defender steps of legout thus

1080
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.679
<v Speaker 1>carried out on fall, is that the same thing? Yes,

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01:01:38.119 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 1>that's the rule nowadays. The kicker has nailed that kickoff

1082
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.159
<v Speaker 1>in boundaries and should not be punished for it. Credit

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01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:45.360
<v Speaker 1>the kicker, not the catcher.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, I think I think the point is

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01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 2>if the kick is that close to the sideline that

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01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:54.159
<v Speaker 2>you can catch the ball with a foot out doing

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01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 2>it out, then then that's a mistake by the kicker.

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01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So I disagree.

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01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.199
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, the fundamental thing about rugby league is

1090
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:07.679
<v Speaker 1>different to soccer than other sports. It's not about the

1091
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.719
<v Speaker 1>ball being over the line necessarily. Is it's about contact

1092
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:15.199
<v Speaker 1>with the body? Ashley Harrison asked, and there was attached

1093
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.559
<v Speaker 1>an AI pick of the referee whose name escapes me.

1094
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 1>What's his name? Who did the first Test last year

1095
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and the Grand Final? What's his name? A picture of

1096
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 1>him in a leash shirt and he said, is this allowed?

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01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:32.039
<v Speaker 1>I think actually needs to potentially work out what AI is.

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01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I think the whole AI people using AI

1099
01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:41.519
<v Speaker 2>to make images of players crying or refs in particular clubs.

1100
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, seriously, give yourself an apple cat. It's you

1101
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:47.920
<v Speaker 2>need to get a life quickly.

1102
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:51.519
<v Speaker 1>And if I do anything wrong on video, it's definitely

1103
01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 1>a deep fake. N RL news Broncos have lost the

1104
01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:00.360
<v Speaker 1>last five john now they did. They lost fives a grass.

1105
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 1>They lost five in a role last year around us

1106
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:07.599
<v Speaker 1>similar time actually, but what's alarming about this is they

1107
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.519
<v Speaker 1>lost to the bottom two sides at the time, Saint

1108
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.639
<v Speaker 1>George Lall Warror and the titles and they were hammered

1109
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 1>by I'm not saying their name out loud, ro Johnson

1110
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:23.199
<v Speaker 1>and New Zealand Warriors. Yeah, what do you make of that?

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01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'll be completely honest. I've not seen a

1112
01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of the Broncos and recently I know they've had

1113
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 2>a fifty injuries, haven't I obviously bolsh, but yeah, maybe

1114
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.239
<v Speaker 2>they need bus to come back and start slaming them

1115
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.199
<v Speaker 2>and they can go on their cruise arounds in them.

1116
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>And they've had a lot of I mean, they're arguably

1117
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the biggest club in the NRL, aren't they. So they've

1118
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.480
<v Speaker 2>always they always have off field things. But I had

1119
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:53.239
<v Speaker 2>that that thing would tell us and their their spin

1120
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:57.760
<v Speaker 2>doctor and the naming of the meeting room, and they

1121
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 2>seem to have had so many off field things as well.

1122
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Obviously paying hears what's happened there him leaving at the

1123
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:07.880
<v Speaker 2>end of the year. So yeah, I think I think

1124
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.360
<v Speaker 2>the possibility with the Broncers is they can catch fires

1125
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.039
<v Speaker 2>they did last year. Whether they will or not, I

1126
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but yeah, I think it's also a nott

1127
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.519
<v Speaker 2>of how competitive the NRL is, isn't it, Because I mean,

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01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll put the West Tigers result today to one side,

1129
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:27.800
<v Speaker 2>but before that West has been going fairly well. Obviously,

1130
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Camera this year have been pretty shite. Last year they

1131
01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:35.000
<v Speaker 2>were minor premiers. Mainly we're fairly shype. You know, they're

1132
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:38.400
<v Speaker 2>a top three team this year. Newcastle very good this year.

1133
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 2>They've been shype for how many years? Melbourne, I know

1134
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 2>they've turned a corner recently, but they were you know,

1135
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.320
<v Speaker 2>they've been one of the premier clubs for ages, but

1136
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:52.880
<v Speaker 2>most of this year they've been very ordinary. Roosters pushed

1137
01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 2>back up the fold. Look, I think it's the give

1138
01:04:54.719 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 2>and throw of the NRL. The Dolphins have really pushed up. Yeah,

1139
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I think the narrow is ridiculously competitive most games most weeks,

1140
01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and the Broncos have just not been where they need

1141
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:10.880
<v Speaker 2>to be.

1142
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I think it's also a legacy and the fact that

1143
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:16.280
<v Speaker 1>we're basically seeing a different sport. I call it the

1144
01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.760
<v Speaker 1>National Ping Pong rugby League because they just sort of

1145
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.480
<v Speaker 1>tackle and let go of each other and there's no

1146
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing sustainable. Really. I think a mixture of the

1147
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:31.039
<v Speaker 1>fields being a bit damper. I think a mixture of

1148
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the players getting more used to it and the rest

1149
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:35.960
<v Speaker 1>just easing up a little bit on it a meaning

1150
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:38.559
<v Speaker 1>that some of the score lines aren't blowing out as much.

1151
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:44.039
<v Speaker 1>But look, I did a quick mathematical thing before we

1152
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:48.480
<v Speaker 1>started this podcast, already before the Croneler game today, there

1153
01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:50.920
<v Speaker 1>was an average of fifty point five points in each

1154
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:57.559
<v Speaker 1>game still so so most games add sixty eight, fifty one,

1155
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:01.079
<v Speaker 1>fifty four, sixty two, so that there was four of

1156
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:04.159
<v Speaker 1>those and then there was twenty six and forty two.

1157
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:10.880
<v Speaker 1>So look, it's an unrecognizable game in many ways. You

1158
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:14.320
<v Speaker 1>mentioned something about PNG chiefs. Have we covered what what

1159
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.159
<v Speaker 1>UK based talent they've snapped up?

1160
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I think obviously we talked about it before, about Mary

1161
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Lee's and the others. Yeah, who want to watch the

1162
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Jerome Lui?

1163
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.039
<v Speaker 1>No UK based? You said, Yeah, there's.

1164
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:34.480
<v Speaker 2>There's a few from London Broncos, which I think they're

1165
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 2>not a fish. Well, there's a few going to Perth,

1166
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I think, but I'm sure there'll be some more from

1167
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the Broncos announce. But obviously Michael Chamas and the recruitment

1168
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.840
<v Speaker 2>manager Lee and Aube were out in England. Michael Chammas

1169
01:06:48.880 --> 01:06:52.440
<v Speaker 2>did make some comments about Super League. I think it

1170
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:54.719
<v Speaker 2>was the word the round before the Challenge got final,

1171
01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.079
<v Speaker 2>saying it was the worst round of super League to see,

1172
01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:02.320
<v Speaker 2>which rather up the usual people in England saying oh,

1173
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:04.960
<v Speaker 2>well the NRL is not as competitive and blah blah blah.

1174
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's the predictable nature of the response league.

1175
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:13.840
<v Speaker 2>The same thing for me is and I don't engage

1176
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.719
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of it anymore because it's just boring.

1177
01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:20.239
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people can't really debate, you know

1178
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.400
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It's kind of like, you know, Lee,

1179
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:25.360
<v Speaker 2>you said my mum's fat. Well you know your mum's fat.

1180
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.400
<v Speaker 2>So do you know what I mean? That's the base

1181
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:31.079
<v Speaker 2>level that we're out in terms of debate. But yeah,

1182
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:35.280
<v Speaker 2>because Michael Michael chamis knowing him a little bit. You know,

1183
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.119
<v Speaker 2>he's not said that to attack super League or now,

1184
01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, just to fire a shot. He's just made

1185
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 2>an honest comment and then obviously he goes on to

1186
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.000
<v Speaker 2>explain it in the story, which people wouldn't have written

1187
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:51.559
<v Speaker 2>read anyway. But yeah, look, I think what the P

1188
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.519
<v Speaker 2>and G chiefs are doing is really impressive. I think

1189
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 2>particularly on the PR front. You know, they're getting all

1190
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.840
<v Speaker 2>the headlines out of again, all the positivity. You know.

1191
01:08:02.840 --> 01:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I think Willie Peters is a very very good coach.

1192
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Luke Bert, which are sorried about a Wargo assistant coach? Yeah,

1193
01:08:11.480 --> 01:08:15.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, the contrast with them in Perth is quite

1194
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.600
<v Speaker 2>staggering in terms of perception. Aaron Forhm's got the job

1195
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.239
<v Speaker 2>at Manley. That's going to end in tears. You know

1196
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:25.800
<v Speaker 2>you're not happy with that. His eight wins out of

1197
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 2>ten games, you know.

1198
01:08:27.239 --> 01:08:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Well exactly, well, you've just given him more fuel to

1199
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the fire. Who did the pre season at that club?

1200
01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:40.039
<v Speaker 1>John Anthony who put all the staff in place? I

1201
01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.760
<v Speaker 1>would say Anthony Sea Bowl and probably Tony mester Off.

1202
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, yeah, and yes we all could see

1203
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a better way that man they needed to play. There

1204
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.319
<v Speaker 1>was plenty of us, look would see that. There's a

1205
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 1>lot more to coaching than getting a team that's already

1206
01:08:57.760 --> 01:09:01.199
<v Speaker 1>been that's already been whipped into shape and been given

1207
01:09:01.239 --> 01:09:04.279
<v Speaker 1>all the tactics, you know, by all measured. All he's

1208
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 1>done is challenge them to go through the middle a

1209
01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:09.600
<v Speaker 1>bit more rather than trying to pass around teams, et cetera.

1210
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 1>He's given them confidence, et cetera. His real challenges are

1211
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.479
<v Speaker 1>going to come. And I'll compare this with what Manchester

1212
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:22.159
<v Speaker 1>United did with Carrick, Michael Carrick. They didn't rush. So

1213
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:26.560
<v Speaker 1>if Michael Carrick ends up not being too much chopped now,

1214
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.279
<v Speaker 1>but now he's the full time manager of Manchester United,

1215
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.960
<v Speaker 1>him fairness, he United. I think they give it as

1216
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:34.159
<v Speaker 1>much time as the cord. Back in the days when

1217
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Soltshire was the caretaker, they couldn't wait to give him

1218
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:40.119
<v Speaker 1>the job. And then after that the players down tools

1219
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and started to relax a little bit because it was

1220
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.000
<v Speaker 1>clear that they were running the asylum. And it's clear

1221
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:50.520
<v Speaker 1>probably that the players have had some some saying this too.

1222
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So there's an awful lot more to coaching. Coaching football

1223
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:58.399
<v Speaker 1>as a head coach in the NRL is about twenty

1224
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:02.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty five thirty percent the job. There's going to be

1225
01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:08.399
<v Speaker 1>contract negotiations, there's going to be scandals, there's going to

1226
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:13.039
<v Speaker 1>be dealing with players who've got issues outside of football.

1227
01:10:13.239 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 1>There's going to be so many things, and I just

1228
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 1>think they they've done this too much on emotion a

1229
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:25.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit. I also know Kieran Forum has good third

1230
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.920
<v Speaker 1>party payments, yes, so I don't know. I don't know

1231
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:33.640
<v Speaker 1>if they've done it from a cost point of view

1232
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.359
<v Speaker 1>as well. And this isn't a slight on care and Forum.

1233
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 1>He's doing great. I coached him, but the first ever

1234
01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:41.479
<v Speaker 1>Manly team I was in Australia, he was in that

1235
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.239
<v Speaker 1>side and I've got no problem with heran Forum, but

1236
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it is an absolute risk. I mean two months ago

1237
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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about experienced coaches that have done an apprenticeship.

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01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Obviously Brad Arthur would have hoothered around the job too.

1239
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Now they've given it to someone who's been coaching for

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01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:02.159
<v Speaker 1>six months.

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01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:07.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, Look, I fully agree, I fully understand

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01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:09.199
<v Speaker 2>what you're saying, and it is a risk. I think

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01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:14.279
<v Speaker 2>every appointment is a risk. But you are right and

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01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:18.079
<v Speaker 2>that the actual coaching is only a small percentage of

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01:11:18.119 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the job. And I think they've been smart and that

1246
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they've taken away the recruitment and negotiations a lot of

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01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the sponsor side of the job for him, so he

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01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.640
<v Speaker 2>can just purely focus on the coaching. And obviously the

1249
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:33.039
<v Speaker 2>players have responded to him. I think with sea Bold,

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01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:36.960
<v Speaker 2>they you know, most Manly fans would agree they should

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01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.640
<v Speaker 2>have sacked sea Bold last year. He probably never was

1252
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the right coach for the club anyway, but he has

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01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:47.039
<v Speaker 2>fear and foren has cut it back. Isn't it just

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01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:52.319
<v Speaker 2>to the basics of you know, run harder, tackle, make

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01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 2>your tackles, defense right and he's instilled them with confidence.

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01:11:56.640 --> 01:12:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Now eight wins out of ten games, it's probably better

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01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:05.119
<v Speaker 2>than any Manly then would have envisaged. He's very early

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01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:07.680
<v Speaker 2>in your coaching career. As you said, he will make mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think part of the reason they've appointed him

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01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:14.319
<v Speaker 2>is the fact that he's already a much loved figure

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01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:18.199
<v Speaker 2>because of you know, the how he bled for the

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01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Jersey as a player, and it's energized the whole community.

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01:12:22.199 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've got KFC science being made in his

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01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in his visives. So look, time will tell three years

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01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:33.479
<v Speaker 2>down the line whether it was the right choice of

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01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.479
<v Speaker 2>the moment. I'm perfectly as a as a many fan,

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01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy that he's the coach and hopefully we can

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01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 2>have a tool at the premiership.

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01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:45.479
<v Speaker 1>You know, so since our since our last podcast, we've

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01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.560
<v Speaker 1>had Origin and you've mentioned it already. Look, my main

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01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.520
<v Speaker 1>problem with Orange Origin one and as we record now

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01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Origin two squads will be him out shortly. He's the

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01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:59.560
<v Speaker 1>There's been seven send offs in the history of Origin,

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01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:03.119
<v Speaker 1>which is nearly fifty years old. Four of them have

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01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:05.960
<v Speaker 1>come in the last four years. And guess who's done

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01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:10.359
<v Speaker 1>them all, Ashley kleimb And I'm going to go back

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01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:15.439
<v Speaker 1>three years. So in the year that Joseph Suley he

1278
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:19.159
<v Speaker 1>got sent off after nine minutes that changed that game.

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01:13:19.359 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales was going to game they were never

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01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.000
<v Speaker 1>going to well well. And then then in terms of

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01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the law of the of the laws of the game, yes,

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01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:29.560
<v Speaker 1>my problem is also with the laws of the game.

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01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:32.399
<v Speaker 1>It's people who don't understand the sport who were making

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01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:37.760
<v Speaker 1>these laws. Right, So hold that thought. The year before

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01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:41.840
<v Speaker 1>he sent there was he did two sendoffs in game

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01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:45.039
<v Speaker 1>one and game three the year after. So last year

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01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:48.920
<v Speaker 1>blew the p out the whistle against Queensland sold New

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01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:52.279
<v Speaker 1>south Wales won in some court, blew the pe out

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01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:54.399
<v Speaker 1>the whistle in game two, so that queens then got

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01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:56.399
<v Speaker 1>over the top of New south Wales in game two.

1291
01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Game three put the whistle away. Game one this year

1292
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:04.960
<v Speaker 1>refereed fantastically, but when that happened, he could not wait

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01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:08.399
<v Speaker 1>to send Kayle and Ponger off. Funnily enough, New South

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01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Wales were down twenty six twenty points to six at

1295
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:16.359
<v Speaker 1>the time and were really struggling. Okay, So that's that

1296
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:19.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want the game to be decided by the referee.

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01:14:19.560 --> 01:14:21.800
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I'm shitty, because it's been decided by

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01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the referee. Secondly, to your point about the law and

1299
01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:28.800
<v Speaker 1>about the these rules are getting made up by people

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01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:31.760
<v Speaker 1>who do not understand would league, Now, first of all,

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01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:37.479
<v Speaker 1>how much lower was Joseph Suwalihi meant to get the

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01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.560
<v Speaker 1>time he tackled Reese Walsh? How much lower was Cale

1303
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and Ponger meant to go the other day? Yes, his

1304
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:44.920
<v Speaker 1>tackle technique was awful. How much lower was he to go?

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01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:47.039
<v Speaker 1>Did he need to dig a hole in the ground

1306
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and go that low? The people who were making these

1307
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.520
<v Speaker 1>rules and the people who were adjudicating on these things,

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01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:57.359
<v Speaker 1>not one of them has been an origin fullback rushing

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01:14:57.399 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 1>across at very high speed. Because Calen long as quick,

1310
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:04.159
<v Speaker 1>and so was the cooler who was made who'd made

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01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a break, None of them have been in that position

1312
01:15:06.760 --> 01:15:10.520
<v Speaker 1>in that split second. In that split second, there was

1313
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.239
<v Speaker 1>a head clash. There was clearly a head clash. Calen

1314
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.920
<v Speaker 1>pointed to his ear where he had been cut. Now

1315
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:21.760
<v Speaker 1>the game changed on the back of that decision. And

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01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:28.039
<v Speaker 1>that is my problem, John, My problem is that our

1317
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:31.560
<v Speaker 1>top product that is watched by more people around the

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01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:36.880
<v Speaker 1>world gets fundamentally changed by laws that have been made

1319
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:38.399
<v Speaker 1>by people who don't understand the game.

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01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Was there a question there?

1321
01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Now?

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01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Do you know?

1323
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Am I to assume you agree with me, then, well, I.

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01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Agree with some of way he said. I mean the

1325
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.359
<v Speaker 2>game has changed, I think is the simple fact. And

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01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:01.560
<v Speaker 2>because of dimension, because of M and D, because of

1327
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:05.439
<v Speaker 2>what we understand about concussions and you know, lawsuits and stuff,

1328
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:09.159
<v Speaker 2>the game has changed. There's no fighting. You know, we

1329
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:12.239
<v Speaker 2>penalize head contact and attacks to the head a lot worse.

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01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:14.880
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the pong of one, the

1331
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:18.000
<v Speaker 2>fact is, and everyone knows who's ever watched pong of play,

1332
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:22.000
<v Speaker 2>his tackle technique has never been particularly good. He literally

1333
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:26.760
<v Speaker 2>did it in the Melbourne game on yesterday, but I

1334
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:29.359
<v Speaker 2>was no s was a Friday, it's Friday or I

1335
01:16:29.359 --> 01:16:32.199
<v Speaker 2>don't know of us track of days. And on the

1336
01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:36.000
<v Speaker 2>colon one, he makes no attempt to tackle. He literally

1337
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:38.680
<v Speaker 2>drops the shoulder to the head and that's that's foul

1338
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:42.239
<v Speaker 2>play and that you know, I personally I thought he

1339
01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:44.199
<v Speaker 2>didn't pull the shoulder in the head. It was a

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01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:49.239
<v Speaker 2>head clash. M. He makes no attempt to make a tackle,

1341
01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:50.399
<v Speaker 2>He makes no attempt to.

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01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Rap again again again, the speed he was going out,

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01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.880
<v Speaker 1>how do you know and how does anybody know that

1344
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.199
<v Speaker 1>because of the speed he went into him, that he's

1345
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:06.399
<v Speaker 1>knocked him so hard that he just couldn't get his

1346
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:13.279
<v Speaker 1>arms around in time. You can't simultaneously do it. You can't, perhaps.

1347
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps for the fact that I think it was Tower

1348
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.720
<v Speaker 2>who was already had made the tackle and he was

1349
01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.760
<v Speaker 2>basically coming over to wrap him up, and it looks

1350
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:23.239
<v Speaker 2>to me and then he's just seen him there and

1351
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:26.319
<v Speaker 2>he's gone, bang, I'll just dropped the shoulder and you know,

1352
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and the chance to to smash him into oblivion now.

1353
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Which is what happens in Origin. So so so everybody

1354
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:39.039
<v Speaker 1>nobody bats an eyelid when we have a kickoff and

1355
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.239
<v Speaker 1>three people smash someone there. He's telling me, there's no

1356
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing near the head or anything there, there's no

1357
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:45.520
<v Speaker 1>shoulders with.

1358
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:47.119
<v Speaker 2>This.

1359
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.479
<v Speaker 1>This is this is my this is my problem with it.

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01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.680
<v Speaker 2>You'd have to refer you'd have to compare it with

1361
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a specific incident. But look, it's not a for me.

1362
01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:59.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not a new seth well's the Queensland thing or whatever.

1363
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:05.359
<v Speaker 2>But I think the decision was correct as well. And

1364
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:08.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm and you so well Spain, and it did change

1365
01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the game. I'm not disagreeing with you. And it changed

1366
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:12.760
<v Speaker 2>the game on what was.

1367
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It two weeks ago, because the players are diving now

1368
01:18:16.399 --> 01:18:17.479
<v Speaker 1>to get these head tackles.

1369
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:23.119
<v Speaker 2>But that was quite a weird game because I don't

1370
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:25.359
<v Speaker 2>think I've ever seen you so well play so badly

1371
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and almost in the game, Lory.

1372
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Daily can't culture pick to be dirty and your your.

1373
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Man and James Tedesco, who you coach, had the best

1374
01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:40.640
<v Speaker 2>slash worst game I've ever seen play. But yeah, it was.

1375
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:46.760
<v Speaker 2>It was a bizarre, quite quite strange game. But yeah, look,

1376
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>I there's a lot of bit debate about it. You

1377
01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:53.479
<v Speaker 2>may disagree, but I think it was the right decision.

1378
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Based on the laws of the game. I can understand why. Also,

1379
01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 1>the bunker was saying be careful with this one. Normally,

1380
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.319
<v Speaker 1>normally a referee listens to a bunk or not our Ashley. Anyway,

1381
01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:07.279
<v Speaker 1>I can see. I can see we're going to get

1382
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:10.560
<v Speaker 1>nowhere with this match. Week fourteen as they call it

1383
01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:15.680
<v Speaker 1>in Super League Saints Quick quick predictions Saints at home

1384
01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:23.239
<v Speaker 1>to Warrington, Wolves at the brew Dog on Friday. Three

1385
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:30.239
<v Speaker 1>games to lose at home to Leeds Leads, Wakefield at

1386
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:36.199
<v Speaker 1>home to Wigan. That's a real tough fun game. That's

1387
01:19:37.119 --> 01:19:37.479
<v Speaker 1>that one.

1388
01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:40.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I'm you've got a good record against Wigan.

1389
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Ricent is, but I will probably just go slightly towards.

1390
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Against two good games already. Okay are at home to York.

1391
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay who left C at home to Huddersfield on Saturday.

1392
01:19:54.319 --> 01:20:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Can we pick two losers? I'll just be job well

1393
01:20:04.159 --> 01:20:05.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe yeah, maybe.

1394
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Catalans at home to Castleford.

1395
01:20:11.960 --> 01:20:13.239
<v Speaker 2>I like actually cast in that one.

1396
01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind casting that one. And Halleluliah. There's a

1397
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:21.640
<v Speaker 1>game on the Sunday Bradford Bulls versus Lee Leopards.

1398
01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I think probably with the form there in manning a

1399
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:28.439
<v Speaker 2>bit of a runt. I think I think the Leopards.

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01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's been a bumper episode, John, because we had

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01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:36.159
<v Speaker 1>a week off. You can get me adminute Rugby League

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01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Coach dot com to tay you Rugby League coach on

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01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:41.159
<v Speaker 1>social Rugby League Coach dot com to tay you online. John.

1404
01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:45.640
<v Speaker 2>You can get me on exit Johnny D Davidson on Facebook,

1405
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:51.199
<v Speaker 2>John Davidson, journalist and on Instagram at Johnny d Davidson

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01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:51.640
<v Speaker 2>r L.

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<v Speaker 1>I think before the series on zero Tackles Loose Carry,

1408
01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:58.359
<v Speaker 1>I was asked for a prediction. I said Queensland three

1409
01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:02.479
<v Speaker 1>nil or Queensland two. Ashley climb one. I'm sticking with

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01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:06.039
<v Speaker 1>my second prediction, take care of everyone.