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More to the Story. And that's where we start with.
Reverend William Barber, known for his Moral Monday protesting at
the North Carolina General Assembly low those many years ago,
turned it into a national brand.
Speaker 1: Now it's called the.
Speaker 2: The Poor People's Campaign, I think, and he's planning another
march into a legislative hall I think in Congress right
sometime in June.
Speaker 3: So he stays active on Washington in June for a
moral budget.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for a moral budget. Which do you remember when
the legislature ran the numbers on his moral budget demand
here in North Carolina, and it was something like sixty
billion dollars or something, just.
Speaker 3: As some ridiculous number way up in the bees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he's look, he's a leftist. He stepped
into a power vacuum that existed after the North Carolina
Democrat Party basically collapsed around twenty ten, and they had
no leadership, they couldn't fundraise, they were actually going to
have their their headquarters. They were going to get kicked
out of their headquarters because they couldn't pay the rent.
And so he then starts these Monday Marches, the Moral
Monday Movement, or as I call it, the Momo Mo.
And so he starts marshaling these marchers, and they go
into the legislature, they disrupt the meetings, they scream and chant,
they get themselves arrested on purpose, and all of that theater.
So why are we talking about Reverend Barber Well Ap
You've got a hold of some court documents that were
filed by his now ex wife Rebecca. They've been married
forty years and they had a divorce. They got a
divorce and I guess what last year, and they went
through mediation to avoid going to court and fighting it out.
But the mediation has not been successful. So now we
have court documents. All right, So what's the big takeaway
from the court documents that are now available?
Speaker 3: Well, there's two things. The first one is that his
ex wife had alleged marital and misconduct against him for
apparently a relationship. We're living with someone who worked for
one of his organizations. I'm not sure which one it was.
He also had an organization called Repairs of the Breach,
which is an offshoot of his Moral Monday and Poor
People's campaign stuff going on, and in that organization, she's
alleging that moneys from that nonprofit were being funneled to
Barber to pay her alimony. And she goes on to
list the financial status of Repairs of the Breach from
twenty twenty to twenty twenty three, and the totals coming
in the million dollar range. Yeah, multiple million dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a million a year, Yeah, five million
a year or so in revenue, which is just astounding,
and so the argument is that the repairers of the
Breach nonprofit, it needs to be attached to the cloiint
to the to this court case now because he was
sending money.
Speaker 3: For ways to pay out the alimony. So she's looking
for more assets basically that would support funding the alimony
that she's asking for.
Speaker 2: Right and it's like seven grand a month that he's
paying her. Seven thousand dollars a month he's paying her,
And according to what I saw in the documents, she's
saying that she would get checks directly from repairers of
the breach.
Speaker 3: Well, it looks like the amount came to Barber first
and then he cut the check to her. But the
discovery that she's seen so far, in the document she's
seen so far, it looks like she's implying that they
were funneling the money to him and he was sending
it to her. So it's interesting, you know. I mean,
if you're looking at the twenty twenty three filings for
this Repairs of the Breach group, it's got revenues of
around five point one eight million and expend this is
of over six million, so they're in the red there.
But Barber's personal compensation in that filing is over twenty
two twenty two and wait, sorry, what is that? Twenty
two two hundred twenty four thousand. Sorry, and their total
assets are listed at over eight point twenty six million,
So I mean this was organization for a nonprofit doing
pretty well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So also there was a mention here according to the filing,
and again this is a filing from Rebecca Barber, although
she is listed as the defendant in this case, that
because Reverend Barber was the original plaintiff for the divorce.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, he wanted to go through the flu
mediation and that just fell apart apparently, So she's listed.
I mean, there's various financial institutions listed throughout the documents
as according to what she filed in the discovery motions.
And now she's filed another discovery to get more into
the repairs of the breach finances.
Speaker 2: So there was a line in here also that I
saw that he was deposed for part of this, and
his deposition, she says, quote revealed potentially inappropriate interactions with
two female employees. And then after the deposition, Reverend Barber
married a woman named Della Owen who happened to be
his head of security at Repairers of the Breach. Yes,
And the accusation here is essentially that Repairers of the
Breach was used in order to shield marital assets from
the discovery and distribution. So this way wouldn't be calculated
that that amount of money that he could he could
secret away in that organization could not be a hatched
by her with the alimony.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's correct. And what's also interesting is her
alimony counterclaim filing also says that Barber is employed by
Yale University and earns approximately two hundred k per year
from that. So he's got that plus the two hudred
and twenty four k from Repairs of the Preacher. Who
knows what he's pulling in from the poor People's campaign. Oh,
I'm sure not getting money from every angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like this. It's such a grift, it
really is. And this guy, Like I have not been
fooled by this guy from the moment he came on
the scene. He's got a facial expression that when I
see him do interviews and talk to like the Capitol
police when they were having their confrontations, Like I just
like the look on his face, it screams to me,
I know, I am lying. I know this is theater,
this is a performance. Are you buying it? Is anybody
buying it? He's just got this look about him that
he doesn't believe what he's saying. And I mean, look,
divorce is sad. I understand that, and like that's I
don't wish any ill will on him or his wife
going through this nasty divorce. But on the other hand,
like if you were using nonprofit money to pay off
your alimony, like.
Speaker 1: That's not appropriate at all.
Speaker 2: And yeah, probably illegal, So I'm not And she has
not alleged that yet. She hasn't said there's no there's
no accusations of illegal activity at this point.
Speaker 3: But she just doesn't seem suspect, you know. And I
bet she's probably regretting having gotten arrested in twenty seventeen
alongside her husband and one of their daughters, also named Rebecca,
but with a different spelling. Yeah, during one of the
protests at the legislature. And I've got that muge shot
at the end of the article there because well, you know,
why not I had it all right?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 2: Let me real quick? I got about a minute and
a half. But I do want to make mention of this.
There's a SAM memo. I had not heard this, but
the code name is SAM and it stands for Speaking
with American Men. So I think it should be called
the SWAM. But whatever, speaking with American men a strategic plan?
What is the SAM? Well?
Speaker 3: The New York Times dropped this story earlier in the
week or over the weekend, and basically it's a twenty
million dollar effort by Democrats to there. It outlines how
they need to learn how to invest in quote the
study the syntax and language and content that gains attention
and virality in these spaces. And by these spaces they
mean mail voters. And the Times article also says it
recommends buying advertisements and video games, among other things.
Speaker 2: WHOA wait a minute, So you're going to try to
reach men by advertising in video games?
Speaker 1: Do many even play video games? Are we aware of
the US.
Speaker 3: Huge portions of the male vote from ages you know,
eighteen all the way up into the fifties. Yeah, so
that was a big deal. So I mean, you know,
as I say in the article, they're spending twenty million
dollars to study American men like Jane Goodall study gorillas.
Speaker 2: You know, there you go. Have they considered more cursing.
Maybe that mix in some cursing, lots and lots of cussing.
Speaker 3: I think something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: It also reminds me of Data Lash's twenty sixteen book.
The title of that was Flyover Nation. You can't run
a country you've never been to. Yeah, and I would
say that the Democrats have never been to their local
local municipalities or to see their voters, to see what
a real man looks like.
Speaker 2: I guess, are you saying Tim Walls didn't check that box?
Come now?
Speaker 1: Nope, right, Ap Dylan, always enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate your flexibility on the date change here, but
we'll talk with you next Monday.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, take care now, all right, thank you.
Speaker 2: That's Ap Dylan from More to the story. That's her substack.
You can subscribe to that. And also she's a reporter
for the North State Journal. Reader work at nsjonline dot com.
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New York Times story on the code name Sam Speaking
with American Men or SWAM a strategic plan and promises
investment to study the syntax, language and content that gains
attention and virality in these spaces. And above all, we
must shift from a moralizing tone. Well, then you'll have
no tone at all. Let's think this through people. Same
New York Times story one Democratic rocking.
Speaker 1: This is from Fox News.
Speaker 4: One Democratic researcher as roughly two hundred and fifty swing
voters to compare the two parties to animals. Voters equated
Democrats to tortoises, slugs, and sloths. They viewed Republicans as
apex predators, like lions, tigers, sharks. Now, the report goes
on to say that voters are hungry for people to
actually stand up for them, and recent polls obviously back
that up.
Speaker 2: All right, so that's not a great that's not a
great result for Democrats to be known as the party
of slugs, okay, and sloths because they're not moving, they're
not doing stuff or whatever. They're lazy or something. I
don't know. But the New York Times headline how Donald
Trump has remade America's political landscape. The Democrats' problems run
deep nearly everywhere. Trump's victory in twenty four was not
an outlier. It was the culmination of continuous gains by
Republicans in much of the country each time he has
run for president, a sea of red that amounts to
a flashing warning signed for a Democrat party out of
power and hoping for a comeback. The steady march to
the right at the county level reveals not just the
extent of the nation's transformation in the Trump era, but
also the degree to which the United States now resembles
two countries charging in opposite directions. Trump has reordered America's
political divide both geographically and demographically. Republicans are overwhelmingly making
gains and working class counties. Democrats are improving almost exclusively
in wealthier areas. It is the same story by education.
Republicans are running up the score in counties where fewer
people have attended college, and Democrats are gaining ground in
a small sliver of the best educated enclaves. I use
I put air quotes around best educated because it's just credentialing.
You're not actually really educated on a lot of stuff.
I mean, yes, they do teach you some things like
how to assemble the funnel for the keg parties like
that stuff, but that doesn't make you the best educated.
Speaker 1: You have just.
Speaker 2: Learned other things that will probably not be useful. Ever, again,
it's a credentialing service.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: So Democrats have steadily expanded their vote share in they
call it triple trending these three election cycles, three of
the presidential election cycles, so twenty four, twenty and sixteen.
So a triple trending county is one that keeps going
and you know, it's trending the same way, keeps going
the same direction, more and more and more. And so
when you look at these counties, it shows that, Okay,
Democrats have been steadily expanding their vote share in the
last three elections in fifty seven counties. Wow, fifty seven counties.
Democrats have fifty seven triple trending counties. That's impressive, right, Yeah,
except there are over three thousand counties in America, So
in three thousand counties, they only have triple trending fifty
seven of them. By comparison, Donald Trump and the Republican
Party they have over fourteen hundred triple trenders or triple
trending counties. Trump has steadily gained steam across a broad
swath of the nation, with swelling support not just in
white working class communities, but also in counties with sizable
Black and Hispanic populations. Counties that have become steadily more
Republican exist in some of the country's bluest strongholds, including
New York City, Philadelphia, and Honolulu. Mister Trump's party is
still losing in those places.
Speaker 1: To be sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, Republicans are not winning New York City, but they're
not losing by as much. That's the key. This is why,
like Mecklenburg County right controlled by Democrats, but it is
so important for Republicans to vote in Mecklinburg County even
if you're not going to win any of your municipal races,
City of Charlotte races, whatever. Even if you can't win
those races, the statewide impact matters because there are a
lot of Republican voters in Mecklenburg County. At the same time,
Trump has driven Republican margins to dizzying new heights in
the nation's reddest bastions. Taken together, the findings represent a
blaring alarm for a Democrat party that long saw itself
as championing the working class and that staked its future
on the belief that the nation would become steadily more
diverse and better educated well it did, right, we have
become more diverse, right yeah, and better educated. Again with
the air quotes, I'm assuming that's you know, more people
with college degrees. That's occurred too. So why would the
Democrat Party be incorrect in staking its future on this belief?
Because they assumed that if you had the college degree
and if you were not white, that you were automatically theirs. See,
Democrats left behind a lot of their constituents, a lot
of their voters. The Democrat Party left them. And you
see it in all of these breakdowns, all of these autopsies.
I went over a good number of in the first
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all told, four hundred thirty five counties in America voted
more Democrat in twenty four than they did in twenty twelve.
Obama versus Romney, Right, So they had an average improved
margin of just under nine percentage points. Four hundred thirty
five counties voted more Democrat Okay, two than six hundred
and seventy eight counties became more Republican in the same
timeframe by an average of over thirteen percentage points. That's
six times as many counties moving towards the GOP then
towards the Democrat Party, and by a substantially wider margin.
The erosion of working class support among black, white Latino
voters alike has unnerved every ideological wing of the Democrat Party.
Ben Toultchen, a polster who worked on Senator Bernie Sanders's
presidential campaigns, so you know he knows what he's doing, said,
the old political calculations for how Democrats can win elections
are now obsolete. Quote, the math doesn't work. For years,
the belief was Democrats have had demographic destiny on our side.
Now the inverse is true. It really is amazing, Like
this whole great replacement theory. This is what when they
when they're saying demographic destiny, that's what they're talking about.
This was understood in a non controversial way for like
twenty years. Richard Florida.
Speaker 1: I think it is his name.
Speaker 2: He's the one that talked about like demographics destiny, and
Democrats thought, if we can just you know, hold on
for a little bit longer, eventually all the white people
will die off and will be more diverse, and more
people will have you know, college degrees, and then we
win forever, yeah, us, you know, and then we can
fundamentally transform the country into whatever socialist hellhole they want.
That was their theory that they now claim the right
wingers are catastrophizing over and trying to scare white people
and getting old racisty and stuff with this theory.
Speaker 1: That was your theory.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a theory, this was your strategy.
Speaker 1: This was your.
Speaker 2: Stated plan of attack. But now the inverse is true.
Oh you hate to see it, huh. Some Democrats hope
that this is only a phenomenon of the Trump era,
and that GOP gains will evaporate once the president is
no longer on the ballot, as was the case when
Democrats fared surprisingly well in the twenty twenty two midterm
election and in many recent special elections. You've heard this
as well. This is a concern of mine too. But
Chris Caffinis, a Democratic strategist, warned such optimism was misplaced.
He says, quote Trump is the symptom, not the disease.
The disease is the fact that you have lost touch
with a whole swath of voters that used to consistently
vote Democrat. Wait, maybe it's the messaging, guys, maybe it's
not the messaging. We've heard your messages. They've come through
loud and clear. We just disagree. Representative Jared Golden of Maine,
he is in a district that is actually very reliably
pro Trump, but he still wins and he's a Democrat.
What does he say, Quote, there is a political realignment afoot.
We see working class voters, regardless of where they come from,
what their identity is other than their working class status,
shifting to the Republican Party. He blamed a party leadership
that is out of touch with the daily concerns of voters.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, this is the problem when you create this party
for the benefit of only the elites, because they've got
the credential from the elite institutions, colleges. They call this
the diploma divide. Well, you cannot be surprised when you
look around and your party is now only comprised of
those people, right, this was your This was what you
guys built, what you planned on. So and then, of course,
the one thing you always learn about Democrats and their
coalitions is that they will toss any one of their
member coalition coalition members rather any one of them under
the bus. Like the perfect example right now is women. Yeah,
like at some point women are going to wake up
and realize, like, oh, wait a minute, we can never
win trophies in athletic competitions. Again, Hey wait, I don't
want to be part of you guys if you're doing that.
Speaker 1: So they'll throw them right under the bus for whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, temporary benefit or agenda item that's needed. Now,
black voters have been and still are the most reliable
Democrat voters. But in Donald Trump's three the presidential campaigns,
he has made serious inroads in heavily black counties across
the Deep South and beyond. In last year's election, Republicans
gained ground in one hundred ninety three of America's two
hundred most predominantly black counties. Right, So, if you look
at a map and you find all of the counties
that are majority predominantly black, and you look at just
those two hundred, Republicans gained ground in one hundred and
ninety three of them, even as Vice President Kamala Harris
stood to become the first black female president. The slippage
is even more pronounced and profound in Latino communities, which
is so weird because I was informed that Donald Trump
hates Latinos. Of the sixty seven counties in America with
a majority Hispani population, sixty six of them voted more
Republican in twenty four than they did in twenty twelve.
So again, they're not saying this data is not saying
that Trump carried the counties. He didn't win these counties.
He may have won some of them, but he didn't
win all of these counties. They've just done better. They're
chipping away. And what happens this is the preference cascade.
Right once permission is granted that it's okay now to
vote for Trump and to do the silly dance right
like he did with the hands whatever like. Once the
permission is granted, then the preference cascade accelerates. Even more
arresting is that the average swing toward the GOP in
those sixty six Hispanic majority counties. The swing was twenty
three points. That is a political earthquake, twenty three point swing.
Trump improved his results in each of his three presidential
runs in about two thirds of majority Hispanic counties Democrats.
They have steadily improved their share of the vote in none,
not a single county in America where Latinos account for
a third or more of the population.
Speaker 1: Not one.
Speaker 2: Just nine counties voted more Democrat in each of the
presidential elections since twenty twelve. Nine got more Democrat. Six
of them are around Atlanta. The six of the nine
are around Atlanta, the other Indianapolis, suburbs of Indianapolis, Kansas City,
and the little neighborhood in New Mexico right where everybody
that works at Los Alamos National Laboratory works.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Those are the nine nine counties that voted more Democrat
in each of the presidential elections since twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: It's just not happening. Now.
Speaker 2: How many shifted towards the Republicans in those three presidential
elections a little bit more than nine. It was five
hundred and thirty five by at least twenty five percentage points.
Speaker 1: This is oh yeah, you hate to see it, all.
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has remade America's political landscape, and the data and the
graphs that they've gotten here, it's just devastating for Democrats.
And I am here for it. I am so here
for it. The majority of Americans now believe that the
Republican Party best represents the interests of the working class
and the poor. You know who said that, Ken Martin.
Do you know who Ken Martin is. He's the chairman
of the DNC. When the chairman of the DNC says
that they're GOP, at least the majority of Americans believe
it that the GOP best represents the interests of the
working class and the poor. Like if you take if
you take the poor out of the Democrat coalition, like
they're basically left with like government and college employees. Right,
that's it. Bell teachers a lot of teachers too, but
not all, not all. He took over as chairman of
the DNC last year. He says, the Democrat Party is
the party of the wealthy and the elites. That's what
people believe. He is exactly right. And you know why,
there's a logical reason for.
Speaker 1: All of this.
Speaker 2: It's because it is they've made it very clear. Let
me go to the end here. This may sound crazy
to you, This is all I'm gonna tell you who
said this. I'm gonna just read the quote first and
then I'm gonna tell you who said it for this piece. Okay, quote,
This may sound crazy to you. Maybe this had to
happen for the Democratic Party to wake up and stop
taking people for granted based on the color of their skin,
or their country of national origin, or where they live
in the state. If we don't do that, we will
continue to lose, said betto O'Rourke.
Speaker 1: The guy, he says, trust me, I know how to lose.
Speaker 2: This is the guy who ran unsuccessfully for Congress or
for for president and the Senate in Texas. Remember, everybody
was like, Oh, he's gonna be Cruise. We love us
some Beto. His name is Robert. His name is Robert
oh rourke. And he he claimed to have been called
Beto by an uncle or something, and that's always been
my nickname is Beto or Rourke.
Speaker 1: Uh huh Okay.
Speaker 2: So he says that the Democrat Party has to stop
taking people for granted based on the color of their skins.
Speaker 1: Says Beto Okay, he's a white dude. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then there's a Richie Torres Democrat from the Bronx. Also,
by the way, Bronx saw lots of movement towards Trump too.
Very oddly counties that have shifted three times these the
triple trenders. Triple trending counties not only far upstate counties
like in New York, like Saint Lawrence and Lewis County,
but also some of the nation's most diverse areas like
the Bronx Queens and Brooklyn. Richie Torres, Democrat from the Bronx, says, quote,
we could be entering a world where the greatest predictor
of voting behavior is no longer race.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that would be so amazing.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's greatest achievement, his greatest electoral achievement, lies not
in breaking the blue wall in the industrial Midwest, but
in beginning to break the blue walls in states like
New York and in counties like the Bronx. But mister
Torres is not yet ready to predict his party's doom.
He says, I'm convinced that Donald Trump is a singular
phenomenon in American history. I am unconvinced that his appeal
is necessarily transferable to the Republican party writ large. That
remains to be seen. Yeah, that remains to be seen.
This is all unknown. That's the thing about realignments. You know,
you don't know how exactly it's all going to shake out.
And is it all, you know, a cult of personality
around him. If Republicans cannot institutionalize, codify the stuff that
is important to the people that voted for Trump, they
will lose them. They will be up for grabs again, unless,
of course, Democrats keep staying as crazy as they are.
Let me see, you're best educated. Yeah, I don't see.
I don't like this term that they use in polling.
You know, sometimes you'll see it non college educated, but
I don't. I don't like it because just because you
went to college doesn't mean you actually got educated. And
maybe you learn things while you were there. Are they practical?
Can you apply them in your real life?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Were you brainwashed? While they're stands as at this point,
the best educated are the byproduct of being radicalized by
our K twelve and higher education institutions. That's the only
way the Greta Thunbergs of the world can be created. Yeah, yeah,
so I don't like the term, but I don't know,
you know, college degree maybe say that, but it's just
it's yeah, because again, people get out of high school,
they go to work, and the stuff that the skills
that they amass over the course of their lives, they
are no less educated on all of these other things.
They're just educate on different things. So a couple of
emails regarding the police chief story too, John said, when
most people retire they get their retirement pay. Only top
government employees get these several hundred thousand dollars separation packages
in addition to their retireronment pay. Yeah, it's just it's offensive.
Speaker 1: All of this stuff is offensive. It was like the
longevity pay that they would pay people.
Speaker 2: Oh, congratulations, you didn't get fired from your government job,
so you've been here forty years, so we'll pay you extra,
like okay. Mike says, I've never once seen a severance
agreement without a non disparagement clause, have you? I have not.
If there is one, was it violated? There is a
non disparagement clause in the agreement with Jennings. I do
not believe that it was violated. I don't know anybody
that violated it, so yeah, there's that.
Speaker 1: All right.
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