Speaker 1: This is the baseline, discussing the hot button topics of
Speaker 1: the NBA. Welcome everybody, you're tuned to the baseline. Cali
Speaker 1: Warnshaw discussing the hot button topics of the NBA. Little
Speaker 1: chili up here, but that does not mean that is
Speaker 1: plenty hot when we talk in NBA action.
Speaker 2: The NBA culture.
Speaker 1: Essentially, the NBA Shaw is the gift that keeps on giving,
Speaker 1: whether it's on the court, off the court, in the camera,
Speaker 1: off the camera. I mean, there is so much going on,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Obviously, Saint Nick has got
Speaker 1: his eyes on the game a little bit. He's sprinkling
Speaker 1: a lot of joy and chaos. He's like, I want
Speaker 1: you all to really appreciate what I go through around
Speaker 1: this time of the year. So let me do this
Speaker 1: to what you guys typically like to follow and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and talk and conversation about. Let
Speaker 1: me give you a little bit of that that Christmas
Speaker 1: magic sodes beginning. It's not even we're not even talking
Speaker 1: about the Christmas Day games, which I'm sure we're gonna
Speaker 1: preview that when we do our next episode, right.
Speaker 3: No, man, Well, the weather being a little brisk is appropriate,
Speaker 3: but again the NBA actions thaying hot as also appropriate
Speaker 3: as a you know, NBA cup stuff is here, that's
Speaker 3: in you know, the bomby City of Las Vegas on
Speaker 3: a regular basis. And I just love the fact that
Speaker 3: the game continues to give us content upon content upon
Speaker 3: content for us to keep our show running, you know,
Speaker 3: at an optimal level, that we even can be nominated
Speaker 3: for some awards. Let's don't want to bring you know,
Speaker 3: want to talk about it too too soon. But but you.
Speaker 2: Just did, I said, I said, I mean talk about you.
Speaker 1: See you you were the child right that when you
Speaker 1: you you even though they say it you gotta wait
Speaker 1: until December the twenty fifth, you beat that child, that'd
Speaker 1: be like, you know, tearing at the present.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, tearing at the rappers just
Speaker 2: just just a little bit.
Speaker 3: Is that? Oh I I did used to do that.
Speaker 3: I can't even I used to be very very big
Speaker 3: on my Christmas vibes and wanting to know what I
Speaker 3: can what I was gonna get. I couldn't wait. But again,
Speaker 3: I think the league is just really diving into kind
Speaker 3: of like truly the Christmas spirit, even like the commercials
Speaker 3: and stuff that are going on and bringing back, you
Speaker 3: know kind of you know that that jingle Jingle Jam
Speaker 3: commercial that they had from years ago, but they now
Speaker 3: they animated it and put it in with Wenby and
Speaker 3: Tatum and new guys and Luca who weren't in the original.
Speaker 3: Stuff Like it's it's a festive time around the NBA,
Speaker 3: and we're here to cover it all.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well, it is a festive time more importantly, not
Speaker 1: just for the baseline NBA podcast, but also for you know,
Speaker 1: the FAM's entity, nineteen Media Group, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure as you were just alluding to it a moment ago.
Speaker 1: You know again, Man, when I tell people that nineteen
Speaker 1: Media Group be running these content streets, I just genuinely
Speaker 1: think people don't understand where I'm coming from. But when
Speaker 1: you as a entity are being nominated, you know, amongst
Speaker 1: a majority of great content creators that are out there
Speaker 1: in different spaces, on different platforms, well, you're being nominated
Speaker 1: for what you do, what you cover, what you discuss,
Speaker 1: as among one of the best that's out there doing it.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, I don't care what
Speaker 1: space you come from, I don't care how you know
Speaker 1: long you've been doing it, how short of the time
Speaker 1: you've been doing it, the fact that you're being acknowledged
Speaker 1: for doing it.
Speaker 2: I think speaks volume.
Speaker 1: So, you know, without further ado, right, like again, the
Speaker 1: Baseline NBA Podcast is proud to announce that we've been
Speaker 1: nominated for the Best Basketball Podcast for the second consecutive
Speaker 1: year by the Sports Podcast Awards. Shaw, you and I,
Speaker 1: you know, for as long as we've been doing it,
Speaker 1: we are always, you know, humbled, and we will always
Speaker 1: never take for granted, you know, the effort and the
Speaker 1: work that we put into in order to allow our listeners,
Speaker 1: you know, to open up this community, to open up
Speaker 1: this and I think, you know, we want to make
Speaker 1: sure that we acknowledge the listeners who have put us
Speaker 1: in this position to allow the Sports Podcast Awards Committee
Speaker 1: to put us in that position right to say, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys are one of the best that's out there.
Speaker 1: And again we're just truly on and privileged to be
Speaker 1: recognized among sunch talented podcasts. And we're always grateful for
Speaker 1: the continued and growing support of the Baseline podcast community,
Speaker 1: but more importantly the nineteen Media Group community as well too.
Speaker 1: So you know, again that time of the year where
Speaker 1: we're calling on all of our baseliners, you know, to
Speaker 1: rock with us, get out there in full force, show
Speaker 1: your support.
Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Shaw the Baseline NBA podcast as the best basketball podcast.
Speaker 2: You know for twenty twenty five for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: And I'd be remissed if we didn't also acknowledge a
Speaker 1: couple of our colleagues because they have also been put
Speaker 1: into this space as well too. Want to send a
Speaker 1: big shout outs to our family Gimmick Infringement. They again
Speaker 1: have been nominated for the Best Wrestling Podcast amongst the
Speaker 1: Sports Podcast Awards Committee. We did this last year with them,
Speaker 1: and we're just always, you know, so proud of the
Speaker 1: growth and you know, the content that they always continually
Speaker 1: keep putting out. Man, they're one of the best that's
Speaker 1: out there. So we want to make sure that if
Speaker 1: you're a wrestling listener or someone who's interested in listening
Speaker 1: to wrestling talk and the culture of it, these guys
Speaker 1: are the best at doing it. So we encourage you
Speaker 1: to also check out gimmick Infringement and then also a big,
Speaker 1: big shout out. Man, he's one of our He's our
Speaker 1: little brother.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say little son, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, We're gonna do that, but he's he's
Speaker 1: He's definitely someone that has grown so much in his
Speaker 1: ability to curate such a great podcast hip to the
Speaker 1: games our man Desmond Powell. He has also been nominated
Speaker 1: in our category among one of the best basketball podcasts
Speaker 1: that's out there. Such a unique twist on his ability
Speaker 1: to merge the culture of hip hop and the game
Speaker 1: of basketball in his show to put him in this position,
Speaker 1: we want to send a big shout out to him.
Speaker 1: Sean and I know about you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: the chemistry that we have. He's come on to our
Speaker 1: show and has helped co host and you know, been
Speaker 1: a special guest, you know, from time to time.
Speaker 2: So it's just great, man, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: We're not only helping to build out that space, but
Speaker 1: we can also share that space with our contemporaries, our colleagues,
Speaker 1: and we want to see them succeed as well too.
Speaker 1: So you know, listen, big shout out to the nineteen
Speaker 1: Media Group family, because it's clear and obvious. Man, we
Speaker 1: got content creators that be running the streets.
Speaker 2: Bro. So you know, I love it. I just absolutely
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: It's hard not to. So all I can say is,
Speaker 3: you know, double down on what you just indicated the
Speaker 3: game make a friends when fellas are they are special,
Speaker 3: special special dudes. And if you knew, and I do know,
Speaker 3: the work they put behind their show, so they deserve
Speaker 3: all of these accolades and all of the attention, you know,
Speaker 3: for their show in this very very prestigious and very
Speaker 3: very competitive category you know, of wrestling, when you have
Speaker 3: celebrity wrestlers and celebrity players that kind of doing all
Speaker 3: this and entering the podcast space. It's so important for
Speaker 3: nineteen Media Group of kind of homegrown talent, you know,
Speaker 3: to be recognized in the way that we have been.
Speaker 3: And in certainly last but not least, you know what
Speaker 3: Desmond pal has been able to do. Again, the amount
Speaker 3: of work he puts into his show, the amount of
Speaker 3: time he puts into the production, the thought he puts
Speaker 3: into the production. There's this It's like you said, he's
Speaker 3: a young man, but he's an old soul and it's
Speaker 3: really amazing to watch that work ethic be rewarded with
Speaker 3: this nomination. I'm so proud of him, so proud of
Speaker 3: our network and the things that we have already accomplished
Speaker 3: and things that we are going to accomplish as a
Speaker 3: network with everybody in toil Man, so amazing, amazing shout out.
Speaker 3: Hip to the games can be infringement. And of course
Speaker 3: you my brother holding it down here with the baseline.
Speaker 3: You know what is this year thirteen, year twelve, I'm
Speaker 3: lost in it. Either a consecutive back to back nominations
Speaker 3: for us Man and that's amazing accomplishment as well.
Speaker 1: Listen, nothing more can be said, but what can be
Speaker 1: done is making sure that our listeners, you know, again,
Speaker 1: show that love and support to each and every single
Speaker 1: one of you know, our nominees that have been entered
Speaker 1: into that space, you know. And again, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not saying you gotta love the baseline, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, far from it. There are some also great
Speaker 1: shows that are out there, and maybe that show is
Speaker 1: you know, the show that you probably listen to more
Speaker 1: so than us. But we do want to welcome you
Speaker 1: right to our space. Take a listen to some of
Speaker 1: our episodes, our shows where we're coming from, and help,
Speaker 1: you know, again, open up this community, build it out
Speaker 1: out more. We want people voting, we want people engaged,
Speaker 1: and we want people active. So you know, again, don't
Speaker 1: let this just be about a campaign about us saying hey, Coe,
Speaker 1: go vote for the baseline NBA podcast.
Speaker 2: We love that.
Speaker 1: There's nothing more that we want of that, but we
Speaker 1: also want to vote more importantly, to be present and
Speaker 1: accounted for, because then it speaks to the Sports Podcast
Speaker 1: Awards Committee to say, hey, there's a community out here.
Speaker 1: There's a large community out here that deserves that recognition.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the cool things about our
Speaker 1: relationship Shaw is we've always walked into this saying it's
Speaker 1: not just about winning these awards. It's about helping to
Speaker 1: open up that space so that we fit in with
Speaker 1: what we do. And we have people that we know
Speaker 1: who've listened to us. They feel like there's a space
Speaker 1: for them as well too. There's a voice for them
Speaker 1: and how they cover the NBA, how they discuss the
Speaker 1: NBA because all too often to not it's always being
Speaker 1: controlled by the big markets. And I'm not dissing them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying a about that. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is we want to make sure that those other
Speaker 1: markets are getting the same acknowledgment and the same recognition,
Speaker 1: because what they're doing is no different than what you
Speaker 1: see on the ESPNS and the cbs IS and the NBC's.
Speaker 1: The only difference is is that they just aren't out
Speaker 1: there as much. They're they're not flooding all of the
Speaker 1: online mediums that are being utilized and stuff. But here
Speaker 1: we are, and here are shows like gimmick infringement, shows
Speaker 1: like a hip to the games that keeps this thriving
Speaker 1: community robust and keeps them out there in the eye.
Speaker 1: And I think that to me, you know, hopefully one day,
Speaker 1: you know, these the sports genre will acknowledge and recognize
Speaker 1: how vital we are. You know, we represent a population
Speaker 1: of people that at times get missed, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like they get overlooked.
Speaker 2: They don't, they don't they don't give them up platform.
Speaker 3: Let's let's you know, not necessarily close loop on it,
Speaker 3: but there's I will say this one thing to kind
Speaker 3: of address it. I think we're at the stage I
Speaker 3: think in the industry like keeping in a buck where
Speaker 3: there does need to be delineation from network produced, player
Speaker 3: produced versus kind of your independent brands. And there's a
Speaker 3: lot of independent people who are doing amazing numbers and
Speaker 3: you know, they are getting hundreds and thousands of you know,
Speaker 3: views and likes and listens and downloads and things of
Speaker 3: that nature. But they are homegrown and you know, kudos
Speaker 3: in respect to them, But for our network, you know,
Speaker 3: where that's not necessarily the case. But to even be
Speaker 3: mentioned in the same category as you know on some
Speaker 3: of the more robust networks out there, with some of
Speaker 3: the more robust names out there. Remember we were in
Speaker 3: this category last year with JJ Reddick and Draymond.
Speaker 1: Green, Like, I mean, let's keep it a buck, Like
Speaker 1: that's crazy, you know.
Speaker 3: So as the industry continues to change, not to turn
Speaker 3: this into a podcast conference and referendum here, but conversations
Speaker 3: can be had, probably should be had about the various
Speaker 3: arenas in which the talented work can be recognized. And
Speaker 3: that's not a vain, you know, approach and just trying
Speaker 3: to like tootor own home here. I think that's just
Speaker 3: kind of where the industry is at. I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of people who would agree. So anyway, we
Speaker 3: got to get to the content at hand, the reason
Speaker 3: why we were nominated for Set award.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, yes, indeed, thank you for bringing us.
Speaker 2: Back to the fold.
Speaker 1: See I take us all the way up and my
Speaker 1: man Shaw just levels us out. That's that's that's how
Speaker 1: that's how we do. That's that's that's how.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. What do they call that?
Speaker 2: Give and go? That's the give and go. I know
Speaker 2: that's an outdated play.
Speaker 1: We don't do that no more in this NBA, but
Speaker 1: I still think it has some.
Speaker 2: Viability even in this generation. Right, the give and go?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: As my man Shaw said, Man, we got some really
Speaker 1: important stuff to get to go over. Obviously, we want
Speaker 1: to be able to preview this upcoming Emirates NBA Cup Finals,
Speaker 1: which is going to feature the Oklahoma City Thunder and
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks. People are already leaning into that idea
Speaker 1: is because this possibly be an NBA Finals matchup.
Speaker 2: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I do think for the purposes of the
Speaker 1: NBA Cup, this is gonna be a very intriguing matchup.
Speaker 1: And we'll give our perspective on our predictions on who's
Speaker 1: gonna ultimately win it. Then you know, listen, man, the
Speaker 1: wheels were turning.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you down a couple shots
Speaker 1: of good English rum in the in the process of
Speaker 1: being in the spirit, and your spirit just takes you
Speaker 1: to these different places. Right, Like, so much is going
Speaker 1: on now that trade season has opened up in the
Speaker 1: n b A, right, and there's already been a couple
Speaker 1: of moves that have taken place, And we'll discuss the
Speaker 1: move of Thomas Bryant being going over to the Indian
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers, and we'll also talk about I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it's like a blockbuster trade, but it's a
Speaker 1: significant trade where Dennis Schroeder is going to the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors for the Anthony Melton and some ex exchange
Speaker 1: of picks. But there's an interesting concept that I wanted
Speaker 1: to throw out there. It's it's been in different spaces,
Speaker 1: so shout outs, and I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: be biting off of people, but I do think that
Speaker 1: it's interesting that, you know, we don't do this enough,
Speaker 1: probably for basketball, but we're gonna do a little cuddle
Speaker 1: merry trash. It's an interesting concept. We'll explain to you
Speaker 1: when we get to that point. But that means you
Speaker 1: got to hang on with us, let us get through
Speaker 1: our thing, pay some bills.
Speaker 2: But obviously this is.
Speaker 1: The kind of episode that I think you should be
Speaker 1: listening from the beginning to the end, isn't it not?
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Speaker 1: check out the family. All right, Shaw, Let's get right
Speaker 1: into it. Emirates NBA Cup Finals is now upon us.
Speaker 1: The finals is set. We're talking Oklahoma City Thunder versus
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 2: Jaw.
Speaker 1: The first question that I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: this particular matchup is who needs this Cup more? Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder or the Milwaukee Bucks. And I know that
Speaker 1: we had talked about this a little bit when we
Speaker 1: did our previews of the semis.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry the quarters, but maybe some.
Speaker 1: Of that has changed now when we've seen how these
Speaker 1: two guys have played in the knockout, how these two
Speaker 1: teams have played in the knockout rounds right and have
Speaker 1: put themselves in this position to be in the finals.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to re ask this question now with
Speaker 1: enough information and to determine that they are the finalists.
Speaker 2: Who needs this more?
Speaker 3: My original answer was okay See going into the semis,
Speaker 3: if you recall and shout out, you know, I will
Speaker 3: say I've been perfect in my predictions and I did
Speaker 3: predict okay See would beat Milwaukee, And.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Sean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I can't reach far enough to dust you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, to dust the thing, to leave your.
Speaker 2: Shoulder in a little bit, give me that little.
Speaker 3: But we know Ball, right, and we know Ball, and
Speaker 3: you know, I think again some of their narratives while
Speaker 3: Houston a little messy, but they're here. I mean they
Speaker 3: got here. And then obviously he got beat by okay See.
Speaker 3: As we head to the Cup final, I think again,
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna stay with okay See. But there's there's
Speaker 3: something permeating in Milwaukee. Uh. I know Jannis wants to
Speaker 3: win this joint. He wants to be you know, the
Speaker 3: Cup and VP and all of that. And I think
Speaker 3: in some semblance of kind of weird validation for where
Speaker 3: the Bucks are, and you know, especially where they've come
Speaker 3: already from this season, Dame and Giannis winning it with
Speaker 3: Doc at the Helm, with kind of like their new cadence,
Speaker 3: with Milton as more of a six man type of thing,
Speaker 3: Adereen coming in as a you know this, you know
Speaker 3: this mercenary three point shooter, and they just kind of
Speaker 3: found a rhythm to what they're doing. This Bucks team
Speaker 3: can really use this as a way to say, Hi,
Speaker 3: we can win something at you know, elevated stages that
Speaker 3: can propel them to be the contender that a lot
Speaker 3: of us thought they were going to be going into
Speaker 3: this season that they didn't start off with. So I
Speaker 3: think they've rounded into form. And I think most people's
Speaker 3: money would probably still still say Milwaukee because Damon Giannis
Speaker 3: haven't done it together. I'm still going to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: see from the aspect of, you know, as a young
Speaker 3: team that is hanging their principles on defense but behind
Speaker 3: a true MVP canon and SGA, and they haven't even
Speaker 3: gotten to the conference finals or anything like that yet too.
Speaker 3: Them winning something means a little bit more for me,
Speaker 3: just a smidge more than it does for Milwaukee. But
Speaker 3: both narratives are different, but they both have viability if
Speaker 3: you're asking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I'm gonna just keep it as simple as
Speaker 1: I possibly can. I really do think that the Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks need to win this to your point, but I
Speaker 1: think the reason why they need to win this SHAW
Speaker 1: is not for a lot of the reasons that you mentioned,
Speaker 1: albeit they are very valid reasons. I just simply think,
Speaker 1: and I go back to this about Giannis. I said
Speaker 1: that if we want to buy into the idea that
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks really do want to get to the
Speaker 1: NBA Championship, They really want to give people a reason
Speaker 1: to fear not wanting to play the Milwaukee Bucks. We
Speaker 1: need the gyanis Atatukoumpo. That was not twenty nineteen win
Speaker 1: the chip. I'm talking everything that led up to that
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: Okay. Now, during the beginning of this year.
Speaker 1: We've seen some you know, little instances of you know,
Speaker 1: him playfully being like that guy again where you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a holish to other stars, other people
Speaker 1: that are getting the limelight sort of speak. And whether
Speaker 1: or not that's tongue in cheek, I don't know. Obviously,
Speaker 1: as you get older, Shaw, your mentality changes. Right, he
Speaker 1: has a family. You know, he's already acknowledged among one
Speaker 1: of the great power forwards of our generation. Right Like,
Speaker 1: he's already he's already hit certain heights that has elevated
Speaker 1: him into particular space. I do think though, that if
Speaker 1: you're trying to validate a level of greatness, which some
Speaker 1: guys after a while can say, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: great where I am and that's okay, ain't nobody takes
Speaker 1: ain't nowayly gonna make lesser of what he's doing. But
Speaker 1: I think if he still wants to be in those combinations,
Speaker 1: those conversations among being one of the most dominant players
Speaker 1: in the prime of his career, he has to go
Speaker 1: back and exhibit that level of aggressiveness that put him
Speaker 1: in the position that he did prior.
Speaker 2: To these last couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: And some of it may be injuries, some of it
Speaker 1: may be the chemistry, some of it may be the
Speaker 1: politics going on with the type of team.
Speaker 2: That had that they've built around him.
Speaker 1: But I ultimately think that what we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: Shaw is we are still gonna say for the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder, the road to greatness for the Thunder will
Speaker 1: be what we see from SGA. And to your point,
Speaker 1: this is the year probably that SGA should win an MVP.
Speaker 2: Trophy, right because of just the.
Speaker 1: Efficiency and the lethality that he goes out there and execute.
Speaker 1: He is cerebral. He is like the quiet assassin. You know,
Speaker 1: when Yokic goes and dominates numbers, it resonates because everyone's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But when SGA, you look at these numbers,
Speaker 1: you're like, holy crap, I didn't realize he did all
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 2: I didn't know his across the board.
Speaker 1: Everything he's doing, literally are the kind of things that
Speaker 1: we said four years ago when Westbrook was doing it.
Speaker 1: We were shouting from the rooftop that he should be
Speaker 1: the MVP, right, But Sga is literally kind of doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. Oh and by the way, his team
Speaker 1: is eaten and thriving as well too, because they are
Speaker 1: literally both offensively and defensively.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I come within knowing this is what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get with the OKC, because this is what they are now,
Speaker 1: like we have now they have ascended without even needing
Speaker 1: to win the Cup that they legitimately are gonna be
Speaker 1: that team. It's just a matter of are they good
Speaker 1: enough to do it against guys that are gonna be
Speaker 1: a mised match problem. And the only time that you're
Speaker 1: gonna see a mismatch problem in this tournament is if
Speaker 1: they run up to the likes of someone like a
Speaker 1: Janna Santa Takumpo. And I'm gonna tell you this right now,
Speaker 1: if Isaiah Hartenstein is able to body up, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Janna Santa to Cumpo not stop him,
Speaker 1: steimy him, make Gianni's struggle, make Yiannis not be the
Speaker 1: person that we're saying that we think he can he's
Speaker 1: capable of being against his OKAC Thunder team. Then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna begin to question what kind of team the Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks will be for the rest of the season, because
Speaker 1: they gotta figure out a way to get that right.
Speaker 1: They gotta figure out a way to open him up.
Speaker 1: He's got to figure out a way to be the
Speaker 1: most dominant player on the court. He doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be the best player, but he has to be the
Speaker 1: most dominant player. And so that to me is what
Speaker 1: resonates with why the Bucks need to win it more.
Speaker 1: Giannis has to go out there and he's got to
Speaker 1: basically put his foot on the necks of the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder to let people know that it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who we are matched up against. If I'm on my
Speaker 1: a game, nobody is stopping us because we are going
Speaker 1: to find a way to win that game. And I
Speaker 1: know people want it to be about Damian Lillard and
Speaker 1: Dame time in the fourth quarter, but I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now, nobody can stop a Giannis when Giannis is
Speaker 1: in his bag.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the what OKC has to do is
Speaker 3: they kind of have to you know, not the wall
Speaker 3: of off type of situation, but they're going to have
Speaker 3: to double him and swarm him. I think at times
Speaker 3: what Milwaukee's doing is different is that they're moving Giannis around. Yes,
Speaker 3: there are times where he's just kind of bully ball
Speaker 3: and you know, getting up the break and just driving,
Speaker 3: you know, at nauseum if you will, kind of Batterian
Speaker 3: Ram style. But in the half court offense, they are
Speaker 3: putting him in pick and roll and getting him moving
Speaker 3: with momentum. Wish is a lot harder to stop when
Speaker 3: he's just kind of like just trying to drill in
Speaker 3: and kind of do it by himself. So to back
Speaker 3: up your points, I a little bit more too. No
Speaker 3: matter if Doc Rivers loses this, all the things that
Speaker 3: Doc Rivers can't win things, it's gonna come up again.
Speaker 3: So not regard you know what I mean, it would
Speaker 3: be nice for Doc to get something, even if it
Speaker 3: is this. None of this for Doc Daan or Jannis
Speaker 3: or legacy building, but they could be confidence building. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of statement what the statement makes
Speaker 3: about for both of these teams.
Speaker 1: Yes, statement making right, this this is a statement making game.
Speaker 2: We want to listen. We've had some some you know,
Speaker 2: we had.
Speaker 1: A man uh Nagara on right when we did the
Speaker 1: previews and he was still high on the Milwaukee Bucks,
Speaker 1: and I was on board with him. If if the
Speaker 1: settiment was what we're seeing from the Milwaukee Bucks over these.
Speaker 2: Last couple of games.
Speaker 1: And I want people to understand, what we're not talking
Speaker 1: about is just about the wins. What we're talking about
Speaker 1: is what the numbers are dictating as to how Jannis
Speaker 1: is going out there and is dominating the game right,
Speaker 1: even in his losing efforts. And we talk about we talked,
Speaker 1: I think this was the reason why he became you know,
Speaker 1: babyface Yiannis, because he's going out there putting these astronomical
Speaker 1: numbers in losing efforts, and all we're saying is, damn,
Speaker 1: can somebody help a brother out?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Can somebody help out Giannis.
Speaker 1: This is why we were crying for Chris Middleton to
Speaker 1: step up in the playoffs. This is why they were
Speaker 1: you know, that's why they had to get a Drew Holliday, right,
Speaker 1: They needed somebody to help take the burden off of
Speaker 1: certain things that you are just naturally asking Giannis to
Speaker 1: go out and do, and he can't do that if
Speaker 1: his full commitment is to go out there and punish
Speaker 1: the opposing team on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: that you're asking to go back and block shots and
Speaker 1: do all that other stuff. And we listen, we look
Speaker 1: at the metrics, and the metrics are very deceiving. Look
Speaker 1: at the numbers that Brook Lopez is given you over
Speaker 1: the last few years, look at the numbers that you
Speaker 1: get from body portis It isn't as if when you
Speaker 1: look at this Milwaukee Bucks team that they don't have
Speaker 1: a legitimate roster that can be as competitive as everyone else.
Speaker 1: But the problem is is that it almost looks like
Speaker 1: for most of the guys that are on this roster,
Speaker 1: they have peaked. They have peaked, and now you're dealing
Speaker 1: with teams in which they haven't even.
Speaker 2: Hit their prime.
Speaker 1: Which is why if you run against against the Boston Celtics,
Speaker 1: you're gonna run into a brick wall because you know
Speaker 1: that there's probably another level that Jason Tatum can go to.
Speaker 2: You know that there's probably another level that Jason.
Speaker 3: Run from this standpoint, I think I love what you
Speaker 3: said about in terms of the talent is peaked, but
Speaker 3: what the talent has not done is meshed. And you know,
Speaker 3: Giannis had indicated that, like there's a trust level now
Speaker 3: that wasn't there even at the beginning of this year,
Speaker 3: especially with he and Dames specifically, they felt like it
Speaker 3: was your turn, my turn, or whatever. I really have
Speaker 3: to look at the tape to really kind of understand
Speaker 3: the nuances of that that specific statement. But knowing that
Speaker 3: they are involved in pick and roll a lot more
Speaker 3: and they are playing off each other better than we've
Speaker 3: ever seen. Dame seems to be passing the ball and
Speaker 3: knowing where guys want to be even outside of Gianni's
Speaker 3: more than he did last year. All those things I
Speaker 3: think are still relevant. So your statement is so super
Speaker 3: on point. Yes, the talent speak, but the chemistry did not,
Speaker 3: And there was still room for the chemistry for the
Speaker 3: Bucks to grow. And that's what we're starting to see
Speaker 3: the signs of, even with Doc on the sidelines as
Speaker 3: well too, him maturing to this role and this iteration
Speaker 3: of who the Bucks were as a coach, as a
Speaker 3: legendary coach that he is. But he didn't really understand
Speaker 3: how to get everything in line now and that seems
Speaker 3: to be the case now. So I'll take it to
Speaker 3: you as you did to me the last time we
Speaker 3: talked about the Cup. Your prediction, okay see or the
Speaker 3: Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 2: I think, Okayce is gonna win this.
Speaker 1: I just think that there is a level that the
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder has that I don't know whether or
Speaker 1: not the Milwaukee Bucks have had have been fortunate to
Speaker 1: run into so far in this part of the tournament. Now,
Speaker 1: it's kind of misleading because the tournament it gets commingled
Speaker 1: with the games that are on the on the docket,
Speaker 1: and I think going into the tournament, it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what version of the Milwaukee Bucks comes out
Speaker 1: and competes right based off of who they've been dealing with.
Speaker 1: But I can just tell you right now, when I'm
Speaker 1: watching this OKAC Thunder team, man, I don't want to
Speaker 1: I don't want to try it when I make this comparison.
Speaker 1: I don't want to make this comparison to tell people, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, they got Kevin Durant, they got to Russell Westbrook,
Speaker 1: and they got a James Harden.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is is that the youth, the youth.
Speaker 1: Uprising of the okac Thunder reminds me a lot like
Speaker 1: that twenty eleven team where you know that you got
Speaker 1: your number one guy playing at a high level, and
Speaker 1: you got these two guys that are on to come
Speaker 1: up with Williams and now you know, and you got
Speaker 1: a heart and stem, which is very you know, reminds
Speaker 1: a lot of people of you know, Ibaka and Adams
Speaker 1: and like you just kind of get that sense that
Speaker 1: this is a team that I'm from a is very
Speaker 1: well rounded and they can only continue to get better
Speaker 1: and hopefully okay see recognizes this. Don't mess around and
Speaker 1: f up the chemistry that's going on with these guys,
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to go a long way
Speaker 1: in the way that we determine how far the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City Thunder can go even this year, possibly to get
Speaker 1: to the NBA Finals out of the Western Conference. But
Speaker 1: I think a good way for us to measure how
Speaker 1: efficient and effective and a well oiled machine they are
Speaker 1: is if they figure out a way to run through
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks.
Speaker 2: So I'm taking the Bucks.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm taking the Oklahoma City Thunder in this
Speaker 1: particular matchup. I just think that as a team, they're
Speaker 1: going to force the Milwaukee Bucks to have other guys
Speaker 1: go out there and score. And again, to the point
Speaker 1: that I mentioned a little bit earlier that peaked talent,
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not they're going to be
Speaker 1: there when it matters the most to hit those clutch shots.
Speaker 2: When Okac goes on their runs.
Speaker 3: You already know wheightse Then I picked Okac to win
Speaker 3: it from the very beginning against the Milwaukee Bucks. How
Speaker 3: was my prediction? Why would I change that? Now there's
Speaker 3: no injuries, so Oka see, I think gets done. I
Speaker 3: will see what ends up happening here on NBA Cup
Speaker 3: Finals on Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: Warrenshaw Baseline NBA Podcast. All right, let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit of the trades that have recently taken place. You know,
Speaker 1: my manshaw is listen, there's a method to their madness, right,
Speaker 1: and you've spoken about this. You just don't open up
Speaker 1: this kind of timeline, this deadline and not think that
Speaker 1: an executive or executives are going to be kicking the
Speaker 1: tires around trying to get something done well before the
Speaker 1: actual NBA trade deadline is up, which doesn't happen until
Speaker 1: when like February, right end of February literally, so you know,
Speaker 1: we're in this situation. We're in this space, Shaw, where
Speaker 1: we should keep our eyes open for certain teams that
Speaker 1: are gonna be making some key moves. And one team
Speaker 1: that we thought and you had predicted this as well too,
Speaker 1: the Indiana Pacers. They clearly needed to do something. They
Speaker 1: needed to you know, at a little at a little
Speaker 1: what do you call it octane in there, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, in their fuel tank to get kickstarted.
Speaker 2: This is a team that has struggled so far this season.
Speaker 1: Shaw definitely not the team that they were last year,
Speaker 1: even going into the NBA Cup. So they decided to
Speaker 1: make a move and they were able to acquire Thomas Bryant.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts about this move and this has
Speaker 1: really helped the Indiana Pacers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was let me start from the tom this
Speaker 3: Bryant point. I saw my heat meat today and asked him.
Speaker 3: I was like, like, basically, bro, why'd you come back?
Speaker 3: He wasn't getting minutes there. They drafted Kalel where I
Speaker 3: was just like, this doesn't really seem like a situation
Speaker 3: that's conducive to you. But he gave me the politically
Speaker 3: correct answer, you know, like, hey, you know the team
Speaker 3: here that we can really build something, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know, they appreciate what I do bring to this thing,
Speaker 3: and I think I'll have a chance to compete a minutes. Well,
Speaker 3: that did not end up coming to be. To keep
Speaker 3: me the case, Indiana loses two centers if you will,
Speaker 3: for them to injury, and so they've been really thin
Speaker 3: at that spot. You know, here comes now a perfect
Speaker 3: opportunity Thomas Bryant to at least or probably twelve to
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes a night in the backup center role. A
Speaker 3: perfect compliment in a lot of ways to to Miles Turner,
Speaker 3: because while he can space the floor and he can
Speaker 3: be a decent rebounder, he does have a little bit
Speaker 3: of wiggle down in the post. I wouldn't say he's
Speaker 3: a great post player, but he can give them another
Speaker 3: dimension in that space, especially if Siakam is not down
Speaker 3: there doing what he does. So I like to move
Speaker 3: for Indiana. I like to move for Miami, you know,
Speaker 3: freeing him up, if you will, to getting him out
Speaker 3: of jail and whatever was going on with him and
Speaker 3: Spulster there. It's a great opportunity, to think for the
Speaker 3: Pacers to shure their front court. And you know, maybe
Speaker 3: this leaves of some other things, but I think, as
Speaker 3: I said a couple of weeks ago, they needed to
Speaker 3: do something for this bench, and I think this is
Speaker 3: a great first step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's an interesting move that that's being made.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not you know, it's definitely not a how
Speaker 1: do I say this?
Speaker 2: It doesn't tilt the tilt the.
Speaker 1: Scales, you know, the landscape of what needs to take place,
Speaker 1: you know, for the for the Indiana Pacers. But I
Speaker 1: do think that they do need to help, you know,
Speaker 1: relieve a lot of the load that they're putting on
Speaker 1: Miles Turner. And I'm sure, uh, you know, Rick Carlisle,
Speaker 1: it recognizes it now. Fortunately enough, you know, for the Pacers.
Speaker 1: You know, they're hanging around at eight eight spot as
Speaker 1: far as the Eastern Conference goes, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know whether or not they're gonna they're going to
Speaker 1: really have any steam to to catch up with you know,
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers, who clearly right now the class you
Speaker 1: know of that division. But I do think that they,
Speaker 1: you know, think that they can be able to compete
Speaker 1: with the Milwaukee Bucks. So listen, there's still room for
Speaker 1: you know, opportunity there. But I'm sure they need to
Speaker 1: separate themselves from the Chicago Bulls, right because even with
Speaker 1: that Bulls roster that they have, you can make the
Speaker 1: argument that be like, hey, the Bulls probably may be
Speaker 1: a better team that can you know, usurp the Indiana
Speaker 1: Pacers if they decide to keep the players that they
Speaker 1: have and they all stay healthy.
Speaker 2: That's the big question.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I know, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get what I mean, like just just because
Speaker 1: of the way that the standings are reflective of But
Speaker 1: we'll see, right Like to your point, this is an
Speaker 1: opportunity more for Thomas Brian. It it really is about the Pacers,
Speaker 1: Like Thomas Brian has an opportunity here to really you know,
Speaker 1: kind of show and proof, you know, because we've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who go to different destinations, We're
Speaker 1: expecting to get certain minutes and you know, they wind
Speaker 1: up you know, further down the depth chart than probably
Speaker 1: what it's originally intended and like, right now he's getting
Speaker 1: what two point one mil. That's a drop in the
Speaker 1: bucket for most teams. If they realize that there's better
Speaker 1: potential with someone that's coming out of their G league
Speaker 1: or someone that they've had, you know, coming out of camp,
Speaker 1: they put them in a certain game situation and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they become a spark plug, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, And they're just like, all right, we
Speaker 1: want to kind of ride that momentum, see where that goes.
Speaker 1: So you know, we'll see what happens there, all right, Shaw.
Speaker 1: So the next big move that obviously is gonna be
Speaker 1: talked about, and I guess part of me is just
Speaker 1: like I'm wondering, is this it? If you're the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors, Like this is your big play? They somehow
Speaker 1: were able to work a deal to bring Dennis Schroeder
Speaker 1: from the Brooklyn Nets over to the Golden State Warriors. Now,
Speaker 1: the draft pick seaw, I'll let you speak to that
Speaker 1: part of it, because maybe there's some significance within there.
Speaker 1: The only thing that's significant is really the players move right,
Speaker 1: Like so the Anthony Melton goes over right, and then
Speaker 1: some of the swap picks are Atlanta picks, and I
Speaker 1: believe there is a there's a Warrior's pick involved in
Speaker 1: the swap, but ultimately the Warriors going after and getting
Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder says, what to you.
Speaker 3: Well, they wanted another playmaker. They wanted somebody else to
Speaker 3: be able to be able to get baskets on a
Speaker 3: pseudo regular basis, and not that Shooter's like this offensive
Speaker 3: hub if he will, but he's somebody who can score
Speaker 3: the ball and does know how to create. When you
Speaker 3: look at this Warriors team, it's it's it's it's Steph
Speaker 3: and Draymond, and neither of which are well. Draymond, I guess,
Speaker 3: is more of a primary playmaker and Curry is a
Speaker 3: kind of a secondary playmaker. Boba virtue of how much
Speaker 3: he has the ball in his hands ends up becoming
Speaker 3: somewhat primary in their system. So losing Melton hurt them,
Speaker 3: and you know, Shooter comes into this space, says, somebody
Speaker 3: who will be able to fit into their defensive schemes
Speaker 3: as well too, and they can play alongside Steph. I
Speaker 3: like the move in theory because they didn't really have
Speaker 3: anything else to do with with Melton being gone for
Speaker 3: the year. It's not like he was going to come
Speaker 3: back for the playoffs or whatever. Like he's done. So,
Speaker 3: you know, Shooter makes sense for them and doesn't tie
Speaker 3: up things in a way where they can't make another
Speaker 3: move with Shams and others are still reporting that they're
Speaker 3: still gonna go big game hunting for some of the
Speaker 3: other guys, which we'll talk about here in a little bit.
Speaker 3: But you know, this more to me signifies where Brooklyn
Speaker 3: is at again as well as a team that look
Speaker 3: is probably going to be a seller. You know, as
Speaker 3: we get into the you know, into the depths of
Speaker 3: the trading season here before February.
Speaker 1: I get the sense shaw that. And listen, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give props to NETS executives because clearly they are selling
Speaker 1: high on Dennis Shooter. I think, like right now, he's
Speaker 1: like top five in assists in the NBA. Right he
Speaker 1: obviously was among one of their main scores. But I
Speaker 1: definitely think that there's a there was a problem there.
Speaker 1: Like I think this scoring dynamic with him and Cam
Speaker 1: Thomas was very it was very inconsistent, right, and you
Speaker 1: have these moments where Schroeder, you know, he'll shut he'll
Speaker 1: give you thirty points, and then there's some names you'll
Speaker 1: just give you three, right, But somewhere along the line
Speaker 1: he'll figure out a way and you know he'll wind
Speaker 1: up with seven eight assists. I think he had a
Speaker 1: career high the other night like some of their like
Speaker 1: thirteen assists or something like that in a game. So
Speaker 1: to your point, I think if you're the Golden State Warriors,
Speaker 1: that's great. I think though the winner of this is
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Nets because you can continue to have a
Speaker 1: guy like Dennis Shuter on your roster. However, if you
Speaker 1: are more enamored with some of the younger talent and
Speaker 1: really trying to open up opportunities for them to get
Speaker 1: better shots, for them to really go through the growing
Speaker 1: pains of learning how to win, or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be, how long do you keep a guy like
Speaker 1: Dennis Shooter who's not necessarily making them significantly better, obviously
Speaker 1: making a competitive but not making him significantly better. And
Speaker 1: you got other guys on the roster where you can
Speaker 1: kind of delegate those minutes too and figure out a
Speaker 1: way to get the chemistry going with them. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure that that in and of itself probably helped a
Speaker 1: Jordi Fernandez because you can see him struggling with the
Speaker 1: consistent season. What combinations do I put on the floor
Speaker 1: that's going to maximize what I'm getting from the guys
Speaker 1: that I know are going to probably be here after
Speaker 1: this season goes. So if you're the if you're the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets, I think you win where you were able
Speaker 1: to move Shorter on a high value rather than you
Speaker 1: catch Shroder when he's on a downward trend. You know, again,
Speaker 1: he becomes you know, you know, you know, off the
Speaker 1: grid with his ability to consistently score, consistently distribute the
Speaker 1: basketball and the chemistry isn't there, And then you know,
Speaker 1: you're basically gonna get low balled because some team is
Speaker 1: just willing to take him, but they're not willing to
Speaker 1: take him to utilize him in the way that they
Speaker 1: really want to, just because it's more salary cap than
Speaker 1: it is about what he could actually bring to the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, smart move for Golden State in the in the
Speaker 3: short term, they had been sliding as of late, so
Speaker 3: they recognize, hey, despite all this you know, depth that
Speaker 3: they've had and no one's playing over thirty minutes a
Speaker 3: night or what in a case to be like, you
Speaker 3: know that it was.
Speaker 2: I originally thought, no show.
Speaker 1: I originally thought that they made this move because I
Speaker 1: think that they wanted to be a pain in the
Speaker 1: ass to the Los Angeles Lakers. I just think that
Speaker 1: they have games on the slate and they're just like,
Speaker 1: here we want to give you. Let us give you
Speaker 1: back your former player that you dissed or you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, here, go ahead create havoc for them.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know Struder, I wouldn't say he was
Speaker 3: on the short list, but he might have been on
Speaker 3: the list. But I mean there's a million players that
Speaker 3: are on the Lakers list, and that's that's topic for
Speaker 3: another conversation or another. Either way, Golden State makes it
Speaker 3: makes a move to kind of that they hope will
Speaker 3: styn me the bleeding as they continue to big game hunt,
Speaker 3: which I think leads us into some of the conversation
Speaker 3: that we should be having next in our new.
Speaker 2: Second Absolutely, man, so here we go. We're gonna do
Speaker 2: a little.
Speaker 1: Merry cuddle trash. Okay, So here's how it works. The
Speaker 1: idea here is the concept for how we look at
Speaker 1: a specific player or maybe a scenario. Is it something
Speaker 1: that we really want to embrace. Do we want to
Speaker 1: marry that is that? Are we partnered with that? We're
Speaker 1: at the hip with this, all right? If we're if
Speaker 1: is it something where all right? Maybe you're out at
Speaker 1: the hip with it. I can, I can, I can?
Speaker 1: I can get with it.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I can cuddle it. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Put my arms around a little bit, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, take a nice little stroll. But I can't
Speaker 1: commit right and then if it's just flat out, yo,
Speaker 1: just this ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: It's going to the trash. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We trashing this.
Speaker 1: That's what we talk about when we say Mary cuddle trash. Right, So,
Speaker 1: seaw I found it interesting that the rumors about Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler being bantered about in trade talks and heavy because
Speaker 1: of the fact that the reports are open that the
Speaker 1: Miami Heat are willing to listening to listen to offers
Speaker 1: of putting of Jimmy Butler, you know, going to another team.
Speaker 1: To me, it's not that I'm totally surprised by it.
Speaker 1: I think we knew at some particular point that was
Speaker 1: gonna get there. We thought, maybe this is something that
Speaker 1: will probably happen at the end of the season, because
Speaker 1: if it wasn't something that the Miami Heat weren't going
Speaker 1: to facilitate before the season started, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's just not like them to allow this to kind
Speaker 1: of be the conversation of the Heat culture, right. They
Speaker 1: ain't about that, you know what I mean, And especially
Speaker 1: if it's like a disgruntled player, they nip that nonsense
Speaker 1: in the butt, like you will not hear about it
Speaker 1: until the season ends, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: craps start surfacing and then you begin to realize it
Speaker 1: was far more sort of than.
Speaker 2: You even gave it any credit for.
Speaker 1: But the idea that the Heat are willing to listen
Speaker 1: to offers about Jimmy Butler on the block, I find
Speaker 1: it to be a very interesting scenario. And I'm curious
Speaker 1: on which teams, right that you believe Jimmy Butler should
Speaker 1: be destined to go to? Which one would you marry,
Speaker 1: which one would you cuddle? And if it's speculated you're
Speaker 1: going to that team, then you're like, nah, which one.
Speaker 2: Would you trash?
Speaker 3: So what are my options? All?
Speaker 2: Right? So Golden State Warriors.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you want to all right, let's start there.
Speaker 3: So you know, so the Warriors, I'm gonna marry it,
Speaker 3: you know. I this is an idea I can get
Speaker 3: behind for a lot of reasons, and and I will
Speaker 3: allow me to go left and come right back. And
Speaker 3: we're kind of like we're running behind time in our show.
Speaker 3: So I want to be the saint. Miami's in a
Speaker 3: situation with Jimmy I think as you were, you know,
Speaker 3: indicating where they don't want they don't want to be
Speaker 3: married to him for the long term. He has a
Speaker 3: player option next year at fifty two million. The player
Speaker 3: option he opts in, then all the cards are are
Speaker 3: on his deck, like he can do whatever he wants
Speaker 3: to do. He could choose to resign, or we can
Speaker 3: leave and walking free agency. Mimi gets nothing. So the
Speaker 3: heater like, well, let's try to do something maybe a
Speaker 3: year early, because then now that that player option because
Speaker 3: somebody some other team's problem, and then they ultimately try
Speaker 3: to resign him or what are the case to be,
Speaker 3: so they no longer seem to want to be in
Speaker 3: the Jimmy Butler business, at least from what we're hearing,
Speaker 3: you know, his agent saying not that, but whatever the
Speaker 3: case may be. But the Golden State thing, it makes
Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Everybody in Golden State is let's say,
Speaker 3: experience and a little bit older. Jimmy fits into into
Speaker 3: that space in terms of like, hey, we want to
Speaker 3: win and we want to win. Right, thing now, I
Speaker 3: think you know you can attract Mi me with. It's
Speaker 3: going to have to take the comingas of the world,
Speaker 3: maybe pajem Skis or whatever the case to be, the
Speaker 3: machinations Wiggins even to even make the money work. But
Speaker 3: the idea of Golden State getting Jimmy Butler, I can
Speaker 3: absolutely marry it because it doesn't make sense from a
Speaker 3: winning standpoint, a clear number two standpoint, and a timeline
Speaker 3: standpoint for where all those players would be in their
Speaker 3: proverbial career.
Speaker 1: All right, so you're you're marrying the Golden State Warriors,
Speaker 1: all right. That leads us with cuddle and trash. So
Speaker 1: here here, here is my other two teams that I'm
Speaker 1: throwing out there for you. Houston Rockets, okay, Houston Rockets
Speaker 1: and the Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll trash the Lakers because that's not even something
Speaker 3: that I think can happen. They weren't on his list,
Speaker 3: so either I think Phoenix was on his list, and
Speaker 3: I would trash that as well too, because the machinations
Speaker 3: of Beale giving up his no trade clause to go
Speaker 3: is the only way that that could do fiscally work.
Speaker 3: So that leads me with the only option. It's at
Speaker 3: least cuddle the option to Houston. Now, if you believe
Speaker 3: what their general Langer came out and says like, Hey,
Speaker 3: they want to play this through with their young guys
Speaker 3: and see what it is. But I don't know. The
Speaker 3: luster's starting to wear off, yelling green for me, and
Speaker 3: he's somebody who who I've actively wanted to like. And
Speaker 3: the internet, if you will, and the social media lights
Speaker 3: are like, oh no, the hipsters that's some say, are saying, no,
Speaker 3: he's not a good basketball player, Like there just seems
Speaker 3: to be like, oh, you just got to watch he's
Speaker 3: a highlight guy. He's not really a winning player. And
Speaker 3: I'm like, I've been trying to debunk that. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, he's not been consistent enough for me
Speaker 3: to be like, well, to really be able to go
Speaker 3: back at those said hipsters and saying, Okay, Jellen Green
Speaker 3: is not you know, it's not somebody I would want
Speaker 3: to give up on. If it allows the Houston Rockets
Speaker 3: to get Jimmy Butler into that, that could be an
Speaker 3: accelerant to the Rockets that could propel them, you know,
Speaker 3: to at least conference finals, especially with the way U
Speaker 3: Dooka's coaching. So I'll cuddle, I'll cuddle the idea, although
Speaker 3: I don't think it's more going to be more than
Speaker 3: just like you you allude to a quick stroll. I
Speaker 3: don't think this is a cuddle that will lead to
Speaker 3: marriage in any in any shape.
Speaker 1: Man, I would hate for you to be a relationship
Speaker 1: counselor for these guys I've been successfully married for I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but I mean these hard truths, man, they
Speaker 1: gonna probably have to put them up on nice have
Speaker 1: to put them up on ninety day. Fiance Man, By
Speaker 1: the time that we're done with this whole situation, your
Speaker 1: tune to the baseline, Cali WARN's you'll discussing the hot
Speaker 1: button topics of the so I find. But here's my thing, Shaw,
Speaker 1: Are you buying the idea real quick? Are you buying
Speaker 1: the idea about Jimmy Butler that even he is done
Speaker 1: with being in Miami right given listen, the successful campaign
Speaker 1: not nearly as successful as I think they would have
Speaker 1: hoped for. But are you buying the idea that even
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler says, hey, my time is up here?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: I am. I think enough smoke for fire for me.
Speaker 3: All the pat Rody's comments again going to media day,
Speaker 3: showing up really late, and whatever he had personally going on,
Speaker 3: and what doesn't seem to be ultimately tapped in. He's
Speaker 3: still gone some of his you know, I think it
Speaker 3: was Josh Harden. I keep utilizing this because I think
Speaker 3: it was amazing. You know, he's side quested more than
Speaker 3: a handful of times already in the season, with various
Speaker 3: injuries and so forth and so forth. Now we have
Speaker 3: the machinations of colors of hair, and the colors of
Speaker 3: hair represent the teams that he's interested in. Like, there's
Speaker 3: just there's just so much to it right now, and
Speaker 3: I think it would just be best. Miami is good
Speaker 3: and always dangerous, but I think they can be reasonably
Speaker 3: good and reasonably dangerous with or without Jimmy Butler, And
Speaker 3: I think that's really a testament to the overall culture
Speaker 3: but more important to what Eric spulture is built there
Speaker 3: and their ability to coach up talent on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how a year from a year, just
Speaker 1: a year removed, we were wondering about what was going
Speaker 1: on with Tyler Herro and literally Tyler Hero is their
Speaker 1: most explosive offensive player for.
Speaker 3: The mind that mul is the last man standing after
Speaker 3: all said and done, it's a remarkable redemption. Arc.
Speaker 1: I will say that I absolutely all right, shaw, let's
Speaker 1: do one more uh Mary cuddle trash. So there has
Speaker 1: been much said about Lebron James possibly leaving the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Lakers, right Lebron James certainly won't admit to that.
Speaker 1: But now that we have kind of rubbed the shine
Speaker 1: off of the whole you know, father son thing, l A.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the PR I don't want
Speaker 1: to use the word PR stunt, but let's just say, uh,
Speaker 1: the PR masculin sort of speak of you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know.
Speaker 3: Ro got masculated.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, but.
Speaker 1: You know, just basically just just opening it up right,
Speaker 1: like he's like, we're we're willing to do this right
Speaker 1: because we don't know whether or not this is going
Speaker 1: to be a successful Lakers campaign, you know, and listen,
Speaker 1: all things considered, for JJ Reddick, he's really done a
Speaker 1: pretty decent job given what he's had to work with, right,
Speaker 1: and to be able to work through the struggles Lebron
Speaker 1: James is has at its kind of concerned me. But
Speaker 1: you know, maybe to your point, y'all, we're talking about
Speaker 1: how father Time in some respects is kind of caught
Speaker 1: up with with what we may think is gonna kindly
Speaker 1: do in the Los Angeles Lakers as they continue to
Speaker 1: struggle at this moment in time now, as they sit right,
Speaker 1: the Lakers are you know, they're they're tenth team, but
Speaker 1: there's really only two games separating between them and the four, right,
Speaker 1: and I think that's not gonna that's not gonna change much.
Speaker 1: But are you open to the idea about Lebron James
Speaker 1: possibly leaving to the Lakers? And if so, I will
Speaker 1: then present three teams to you for you to tell
Speaker 1: me whether you marry, cuddle, or trash the idea.
Speaker 3: All right, So first I'm not open to it. I
Speaker 3: think there's there's too much because of the Broni factor.
Speaker 3: And you know, as you using your term and masculated
Speaker 3: the Lakers into drafting his son.
Speaker 1: I gotta have I gotta get back to that word
Speaker 1: of the weak thing, man, I get it, or I
Speaker 1: got to get back to that like okay, but.
Speaker 3: Uh uh, you know, making them a package deal in
Speaker 3: LA and all the things that he wants to do
Speaker 3: with his career currently and his post NBA career as well,
Speaker 3: a lot of that seems to be based in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: So I just don't know that he would walk away
Speaker 3: from that truly unless a certain team and a certain
Speaker 3: situation really made it, made him an offer you couldn't refuse,
Speaker 3: And I just don't know that that can actually come
Speaker 3: to play.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So since you've.
Speaker 1: Put it in that particulular regards, almost like you put
Speaker 1: a prenup on this particular segment. So I don't even
Speaker 1: know whether it's but I'm gonna throw these teams out
Speaker 1: here sew because I actually want to see the expression
Speaker 1: on your face to think that if they were to
Speaker 1: ever happen, we go ahead and do it all right. Originally,
Speaker 1: at one point I would have thrown out there the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavalieres at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: I would have been, like what happens.
Speaker 1: If the Cleveland Cavaliers figured out a way.
Speaker 2: To bring back Lebron again? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I just think with the way Evan Mobley's playing, Nah,
Speaker 1: you're good, all right, So forget them, all right, let.
Speaker 2: Me throw out this team for you. What do you think.
Speaker 1: About the I'm sorry, let me give you all three teams,
Speaker 1: the Memphis Grizzlies, the Atlanta Hawks, Minnesota Timberwolves.
Speaker 3: Where are these teams coming from.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they're coming from a place of They're
Speaker 1: coming from a place of Listen, I don't see I
Speaker 1: would have thrown maybe say the Sacaronic Kids. I don't
Speaker 1: see that ever happen. That's not gonna happen. And it's
Speaker 1: definitely not gonna happen with the Phoenix Suns. All right,
Speaker 1: that's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. It's disingenuous. Leave out the
Speaker 3: team that he's he's wanted to flirt with, if nothing else,
Speaker 3: If he's if he's you know what I mean, if
Speaker 3: he's looking on his dating apps of NBA teams. You
Speaker 3: know that shiny team.
Speaker 2: The Golden State Warriors, is that what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 1: I did that intentionally because remember you are the relationship savants, right.
Speaker 4: So you know when again when he's in his dating
Speaker 4: app of NBA teams, he looks over there and he
Speaker 4: sees Draymond and Staph and you know, they had a
Speaker 4: nice time they you know, they went on a friends vacation,
Speaker 4: you know, over to Paris boat together.
Speaker 2: This wasn't the banana boat because the PLT.
Speaker 4: I mean there are yots now, okay, I mean they're
Speaker 4: not on banana boats anymore.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you know this is they.
Speaker 2: Were plantaining, they were not playing.
Speaker 3: So that's a team. He just like hmm, you know,
Speaker 3: he looks over to the left, sees the Lakers, looks
Speaker 3: over to the right, see Steff over there with his
Speaker 3: boy Draymond, And he's like, man, that that would be interesting.
Speaker 3: But there are so many hurdles when he looks at
Speaker 3: probably the pre enup that he has in place with
Speaker 3: the Lakers, you know, the stuff that he even has
Speaker 3: in turns in place with his family. It's just like
Speaker 3: cheaper the keeper. So I think the Warriors are the
Speaker 3: team he would at least he would definitely cuddle or
Speaker 3: even marry. But I just don't think there's a way.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you can't back out. Now, you're like definitely
Speaker 1: cuddle cuddle. Nuhting he trying to marry that?
Speaker 3: Well, well, yes, you know what, we'll stand up.
Speaker 1: But but but on logic, Shaw, on logic, because like, look,
Speaker 1: look right now, the Memphis Grizzlies are the second best
Speaker 1: team right and only by a couple of games. But
Speaker 1: listen to your point. You're seeing that the resurgence and
Speaker 1: and and up there. Why would it be a far
Speaker 1: fetched idea for one year rental if the intend is
Speaker 1: to try to win a chip that he can't make
Speaker 1: something work playing out there in in Memphis.
Speaker 3: You know, excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 2: Have you met Lebon James you nod. I've not had
Speaker 2: the player. I've not had the.
Speaker 3: This is one of the most calculated players and brilliant
Speaker 3: players of our of our generation, not only on the court,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to storytelling, narratives in the whole nine.
Speaker 3: He has no interest in being in a Minnesota, a
Speaker 3: Memphis or whatever, the team that's not LA or potentially
Speaker 3: Golden State. The story of you know when it was
Speaker 3: when it was Cleveland. Great, you know, did it from
Speaker 3: a hometown, so forth and so forth. I don't think
Speaker 3: he'd ever even go back there, to be honest with you,
Speaker 3: He's so focused on the next stages of his career.
Speaker 3: He has nothing really left to prove on the basketball court.
Speaker 3: But if he did, it has to be in a
Speaker 3: situation that is the most appealing to him. And right
Speaker 3: now that is only going to be the Lakers or
Speaker 3: the Golden State Wards. No other team, no matter how
Speaker 3: attractive they are, no matter what they can even offer,
Speaker 3: the Lakers is going to make something work because he
Speaker 3: has enough power, he wills, enough NBA power, enough player
Speaker 3: empowerment power, and that says to make anybody's team organization
Speaker 3: absolutely miserable. So nobody is signing up for that understanding, like, hey,
Speaker 3: we don't have any summers of control of how this
Speaker 3: guy will be. Yes, he elevates us, but we can't
Speaker 3: make it even work. And I believe he does have
Speaker 3: a no trade clause, so you know, I think that's
Speaker 3: what was negotiating to his last deal, so he and Bale.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you might be
Speaker 1: able to you know, you may be able to move
Speaker 1: the need a little bit if you sell him on
Speaker 1: some John Barbecue, not in the least, all right, So,
Speaker 1: all right, so which team should I eliminate?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: If you if you're already set on marrying the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors and we still have to cuddle trash, who
Speaker 1: are you eliminating?
Speaker 2: Of the three that I had mentioned?
Speaker 3: You gave me Memphis, Minnesota, and who Atlanta. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: there's no chance. There's no chance in Minnesota or Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Like I can't even like you can't not.
Speaker 2: Even jump off, not even to jump off. He can't
Speaker 2: even get a jump off.
Speaker 3: That both Maybe younger Lebron, you know, you know, Hotland
Speaker 3: on Magic City, all of that stuff. But you know,
Speaker 3: again he's a grown man now, he's got the kids.
Speaker 3: He can't be out there, you know, getting caught like
Speaker 3: Lou Williams, you know, in the Strip club with lemon
Speaker 3: pepper wings like that can't be Lebron's life. Of that,
Speaker 3: I would I will, I will oblige you and cuddle
Speaker 3: the Memphis Grizzlies. But again, not a realistic situation.
Speaker 2: Not a realistic situation. All right, Well, this was fun.
Speaker 1: I definitely would love for us to be able to
Speaker 1: do this more, right, like just taking especially as we
Speaker 1: get closer to the trade deadline, and especially when we
Speaker 1: start talking about potential teams like you know, contenders and pretenders.
Speaker 1: You know, I would love for us to be able
Speaker 1: to to kind of implement this a little bit and
Speaker 1: kind of be like, who is it that we're riding
Speaker 1: with as we say, are getting closer towards the towards
Speaker 1: the season and everything like that, because I just find
Speaker 1: it kind of interesting with the way that the teams
Speaker 1: have built currently, we'd be remiss if not saying they're
Speaker 1: gonna need a little bit more or you know, like
Speaker 1: in this particular instance, we talked about the Philadelphia seventy
Speaker 1: six ers at some point, which I'm sure we will
Speaker 1: because they're constantly in the headlines. They got pieces that
Speaker 1: may be in play right possibly, So if that's the case,
Speaker 1: should they become sellers? And who would you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying as far as teams go, you marry cuddle
Speaker 1: trash with that. So I just find it to be
Speaker 1: a nice little interesting take on the way that we're
Speaker 1: looking at how teams you know, can involve themselves in
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, maybe we should also have
Speaker 1: a cop blocking edition.
Speaker 2: Of the WHI which which teams, which teams.
Speaker 1: Are trying to upset the Apple cart? Ruin stuff at
Speaker 1: the altar? Sy'all ruin it at the altar?
Speaker 3: So and on that fine notes, I think that this
Speaker 3: has been a base one podcast. Let's see you next week.
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