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Was this what the Metro Police claimed it 69 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:15.439 was a sex drug overdose or was there something more 70 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.639 going on here? It would soon be discovered that a 71 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.920 popular forty one year old Stephen Port, who had appeared 72 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.879 on Celebrity Chef UK, would be arrested and charged with 73 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:29.519 four of the young men's murders by overdosing them with GBH, 74 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.079 the date rape drug, enough to kill them in and 75 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.079 then raping them and leaving their bodies out in a churchyard. 76 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.360 Since the conviction of a Celebrity Chef UK Stephen Port, 77 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.560 the police are now reviewing fifty eight other mysterious deaths 78 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.240 by overdose where the body was found dead in the 79 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:51.759 same area of London. There are now seventeen police officers 80 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:56.920 under investigation for not investigating the crimes because of their homophobia. 81 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.759 Included are several of the personal letters convicted serial killer 82 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:04.279 Stephen Port sent to his friend in penpal, Cody Lackey, 83 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:07.279 which reveals what he claims happened to each of the 84 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:11.160 victims and what really happened in these chem sex parties. 85 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.079 You will also find out some of Port's personal details 86 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.639 that you wouldn't expect to hear. The book that we're 87 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:22.360 featuring this evening is The Grinder serial Killer Stephen Port, 88 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:26.680 with my special guest journalist, author and co host of 89 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:31.839 the radio program House of Mystery, Alan R. Warren. Welcome 90 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:33.959 back to the program, and thank you very much for 91 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.000 agreeing to this interview. Alan R. 92 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:39.079 Warren, Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 93 00:05:40.040 --> 00:05:40.879 Thank you very much. 94 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:43.319 It's always a pleasure to have you on. Ellen. You've 95 00:05:45.480 --> 00:05:49.480 always have something very very interesting in terms of the 96 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:52.199 cases that you do cover in your books, and this 97 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:56.120 is no exception with The Grinder serial Killer. Incredible story. 98 00:05:56.720 --> 00:06:00.160 Now this story you take us to a place called Barking, 99 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:05.360 which is a small city in East London in the UK, 100 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.079 population one hundred and eighty seven thousand. So let's talk 101 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:15.519 about Anthony Patrick Wallgate, twenty three years old. He's a 102 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:20.480 student at the University of Middlesex. Tell us a little 103 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:24.279 bit about Anthony Patrick Wallgate and how he comes to 104 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.199 meet who we first he first believes is a person 105 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.360 named Joe Dean. Tell us about the circumstances and how 106 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:37.319 these people met Anthony Patrick Wallgate, and as I mentioned 107 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:38.399 Joe Dean. 108 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:44.759 Well, you know Anthony Wallgate. He was a twenty three 109 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.319 year old fashion design student and he was in his 110 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:55.439 second year and you know, an average kid and he 111 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.680 but what he was doing was to survive for money. 112 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:06.600 He would go on the Sleepy Boys app, which a 113 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.240 lot of escorts, male escorts will go on there and 114 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:15.160 advertise their service, and he would work that way, So 115 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:18.360 that's kind of what he was doing. He would do 116 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:22.040 it once or twice a week, depending on money, and 117 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:26.120 that's how he met up with Joe Dene. Joe Dene 118 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:33.120 approached him on the app and wanted to have him 119 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:35.040 come spend the night and he was going to pay 120 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.800 him for it. So so of course he took the 121 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:43.120 job and all nighter would be eight hundred pounds. So 122 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:44.519 that's that's a lot of money. 123 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:50.879 M h. Now you talk about that. Just before that, 124 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.399 he said to his roommate, to his friend, he said, 125 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:58.800 just in case, he took down all the details where 126 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:00.639 he was going to go, who is going to be with. 127 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.240 He even put the name Joe Dean down. So he 128 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.680 and he said to his friend, just in case I 129 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:12.120 get killed. So anyway you talk about you talk about 130 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:17.000 Wallgate meeting was supposed to meet this person, this person 131 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:19.600 that he was going to be an escort for at 132 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.079 ten pm at the Barking rail station. Now you talk 133 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:27.480 about two days later, because this is June seventeenth, twenty fourteen. 134 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:34.639 June nineteenth, early morning, police receive an emergency call. Tell 135 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.759 us what was said in that emergency call. 136 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.440 Well, yeah, it was a it's a nine to nine 137 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.039 nine call, which is their version of nine to one one, 138 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:50.080 so it's for it's for ambulance as well as the police. 139 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:54.320 And man was on there saying that he was on 140 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.399 his way to work and when he got out in 141 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:00.480 his car, he noticed a body, a male body, sitting 142 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.840 slumped up in the front just the front way of 143 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:07.960 the of the apartment building he lived in. So he 144 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:11.639 wasn't at the door, he was just beside it on 145 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:14.840 the building itself, and it looked like he was passed out. 146 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.840 So the caller was saying that he was worried that 147 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:23.559 it might be a drug overdose or something like that 148 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.360 because the area was known for that as well. It 149 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.240 was a rough area. There was a lot of drug 150 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.159 usage and and things close by, so that's how he 151 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:33.919 reported it. 152 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:40.519 Now, the police usually and in this case, wanted to 153 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:43.799 know who this person was that was calling or when 154 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.480 they asked him what his name was, what he what 155 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.720 did he do? And is a reaction What did the 156 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.480 police in turn do afterwards? 157 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:58.440 Well, he he hung up, you know, and and so 158 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:02.240 they would call him back, and he actually hung up 159 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:04.039 twice on him. They had to call him back a 160 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.240 couple of times because they wanted, you know, to know 161 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:13.159 who he was and more about the circumstances, as they do, 162 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.039 right if you've got a body, they want to know 163 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.840 exactly what's going on. And so they just called him 164 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:25.679 back two times. They stayed on him and to get 165 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:26.720 his information. You know. 166 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:34.240 Now when the police arrive, they discover this Anthony Wallgate, 167 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:38.919 you say, sitting with his back against this apartment building wall. 168 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.159 His shirt is pulled up, his zipper is open, looks 169 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:47.840 like he's sleeping. However, what did the police find in 170 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.120 terms of the what do they find with at the 171 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.879 crime scene in terms of the body, that's significant. 172 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.600 Well, you know, the significant part was that they found 173 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:04.480 some They found a little bottle which GHB, which is 174 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:09.759 the popular drug people take, and that was as well 175 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:14.759 as they had a syringe in his pocket and he 176 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:19.120 was overdosed. And one strange thing when you said the 177 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.759 zipper was up, his underwear had been removed and put 178 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:27.519 back on inside out, like backwards, and so that was 179 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:31.480 another strange thing. And yeah, and the way his T 180 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.399 shirt was pulled up around his chest, and so that 181 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:42.480 in itself was kind of unusual. But because of the 182 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.240 drugs they found, I think in their mind when they 183 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.399 found him, he was just another overdose. 184 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:54.879 You also include for the suspiciousness that police mightn't well, 185 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.399 we'll talk about that later. What they overlooked was that 186 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.039 there was fourteen bruises on the body and they just 187 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:06.480 attributed this entirely, this the entire thing to an overdose 188 00:12:06.519 --> 00:12:12.360 of GHB. However, they the police did contact Stephen Port. 189 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:15.360 They knew now that the person, this Joe Dean was 190 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.600 actually a person named Stephen Port, because they had contacted 191 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.960 him back after his emergency calls. Now, with that Stephen Port, 192 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.000 when they actually went to question him, what did they 193 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:29.759 find out about his initial story? And as a result 194 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.639 of that initial story being different, what do they do 195 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:34.240 police do? 196 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.679 Well, you know, because the way he put it on 197 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:40.519 the nine to nine to nine call was that he 198 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:44.279 was just on his way out to work and he 199 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.000 saw the body and he thought they might need help, 200 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:50.039 and so he called them. So that was his, you know, 201 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:55.879 initial story, But of course now they know when they 202 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:57.799 when they called them back and brought them in, they 203 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:00.639 had also checked the phone numbers and real life that 204 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:04.200 the two had been in communication with each other. So 205 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:10.200 the police knew that he had talked to Walgate and 206 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:15.799 so they knew he lied about knowing him. So that 207 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:21.000 put Port on kind of like he didn't know what 208 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:25.759 to do, and so he had to change his story again. 209 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:32.159 But eventually they knew that he had actually met him 210 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:38.159 on the app and offered money for services, so they 211 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:39.600 knew the two of them were together. 212 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.840 Now it's one of the most incredible things I've read 213 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:48.360 in any case, is this. And because we're not talking 214 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.440 about the seventies, we're not talking about eighties. A lot 215 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.919 of the books we're talking about the seventies, different attitude 216 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:57.279 eighties still, the attitude that's not it was pervasive, and 217 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:03.240 a different attitude today will say. We're talking about once 218 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:07.480 they realized that they communicated for the purposes of sex, 219 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:13.000 that they realized that he was in Stephen Port's apartment. 220 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:16.879 But Stephen Port didn't mention that till it was pride 221 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:20.519 out of him the charges that he does not become 222 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:26.320 a suspect in regards to this Walgate, Anthony Walgate whatsoever. Instead, 223 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:29.840 though he is charged for something else, tell us what 224 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:33.320 he is charged with and what kind of sentence in 225 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.120 real terms he receives for it. 226 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:42.679 Yeah, you know, unfortunately, this is something happening in twenty fourteen. 227 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:49.039 Just it's so close. Their attitude was just with just 228 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:53.519 another overdose. It was maybe a gay sex thing or whatever. 229 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:55.840 So they just sort of had this roll their eye, 230 00:14:55.879 --> 00:15:00.440 look at it attitude. And all they really did was 231 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.720 charge him for really just lying to the police. You know, 232 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:08.480 they have a different term for it, but in general, 233 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.000 you lie to the police when they're gathering evidence, you 234 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.440 can be charged. It would be an equivalent to a 235 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.960 misdemeanor in the States. So we're talking at a one 236 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:24.000 year sentence, and of course he didn't serve that. I 237 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.919 think they give him eight months and that was because 238 00:15:26.960 --> 00:15:31.600 of some time he had done in prison, and then 239 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.200 they let him out at three months and just made 240 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.960 him wear one of those you know, bracelets on the 241 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.919 lake so they can keep an eye on him. For 242 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:44.320 the rest of the year. So it was really a 243 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:47.399 slap on the wrist. But one thing that came from that, 244 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.320 I will say was that he ended up losing his 245 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:56.519 job because of that, and so he ended up having 246 00:15:56.559 --> 00:15:59.200 to when he got out go to work for a 247 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.480 bus stop and he worked in like one of those 248 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:06.320 little bus talk cafe canteen sort of places, you know 249 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.840 when you're waiting for the greyhound bus. You know, they 250 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.200 started little dishes. So he ended up doing that. So 251 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.679 it changed his life in that way. 252 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:20.840 Now, an incredible character that you introduce in this story 253 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:25.320 is Barbara Denham. She's sixty seven years old. She's lived 254 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.039 in the area for twenty eight years, and she does 255 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.440 a daily walk with her Border Collie and she goes 256 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:38.080 through again this pathway that she normally goes and it's 257 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.159 the property of the Saint Margaret's Church. So tell us 258 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:46.480 what she finds on this daily walk. August twentieth, twenty fourteen. 259 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.639 Yeah, you know, in East Parking, it's a fairly busy, 260 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.480 small little neighborhood, and so the Saint Margaret's Church and 261 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.799 the churchyard and graveyard, it's kind of like the only 262 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.320 park that you can kind of go to with your 263 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.319 dog and let them loose, and she would like to 264 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:08.640 let him off lead or leash, and so this was 265 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.079 a perfect place to go, so that's why she went 266 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.400 there all the time. So when she was there this time, 267 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.319 she let her dog loose and he goes running as normal. 268 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:22.000 But she noticed a man sitting against a little brick 269 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.839 fence that runs through the church grounds, like near the park. 270 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:31.480 And she was just walking around, clapping her hands and 271 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:33.960 talking to her dog as the dog was doing what 272 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:38.480 it did, and she noticed the guy had no movement, nothing, 273 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.759 you know, the clapping, So she went right over beside 274 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.119 him and it clapped and kind of yelled loudly and stuff, 275 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.680 and realized that he wasn't moving a tall like there 276 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.519 was no reaction. So she actually kind of tapped his 277 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:57.680 toe with her toe her feet and noticed that the 278 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.519 man he didn't respond, and he had blue sort of 279 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:05.759 tint to his face, and so of course she had 280 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.359 to call the police because it looked like he was 281 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:11.920 dead or passed out or something that she couldn't figure out, 282 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:18.480 and he was. He was dead. And so that was 283 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:19.119 the first one. 284 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.400 And she read in the paper Barbara a couple days 285 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:26.160 later that this young man was twenty one years old 286 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:30.000 and he had overdosed. And of course, like you say, 287 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.920 this East London, this area is known for drugs. Now, 288 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.160 three weeks later, the same person, Barbara is again. She 289 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:44.680 wasn't deterred about walking her dog in the same places 290 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.279 that she would walk before all these twenty eight years. 291 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.839 So three weeks later, Barbara Denham is walking her dog again. 292 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.039 What does she find this time in almost the identical place. 293 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.440 He was the identical thing. It was another another young male, 294 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.039 sitting in almost the exact same place. It was on 295 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.559 the same side of the fence, not too far from 296 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:13.039 where she had found the body. And it was the 297 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:18.400 same thing, you know, and the same thing. He was dead, 298 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.119 I mean, of course, of course her her initial thought was, 299 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:24.000 oh God, not another one. It can't it can't be 300 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.000 another one. And she went over to the body. The 301 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:32.359 same thing the man had. He was dead and sitting 302 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:34.480 against the same sort of thing too. He had a 303 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:39.160 pair of glasses. He had much the same look as 304 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.720 the first one. 305 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.599 Yes, like very much posed after death. 306 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:49.880 Yeah, yeah, sost. 307 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.680 This person's name was Gabriel Kovari, twenty two year old, 308 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:59.200 and he moved to London from Slovakia, of course, to 309 00:19:59.400 --> 00:20:07.160 escape homophobia and persecution and discrimination. Ironically tell us about 310 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:12.440 Daniel Whitworth, though again this story just keeps getting more strange. 311 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:16.039 Where was Daniel Whitworth's body found. 312 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.160 Well found? The thing is that they were both found 313 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:25.319 pretty close to the same place. I think the biggest 314 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:30.599 thing that was different was on Daniel Whitworth was from Kent, 315 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.200 so he was English, and he was twenty one years old, 316 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.720 and he was working as a chef. And the difference 317 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:42.319 with him compared to Kavary was he actually had a 318 00:20:42.359 --> 00:20:47.240 suicide note attached to his body on his left hand, 319 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.960 and in the suicide note he said that he had 320 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:57.759 been with Kavari three weeks before and they were partying 321 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.359 and doing drugs and Kari and having sex, and Kavari 322 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:09.000 had overdosed and he felt really guilty and he couldn't 323 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:13.319 live with himself anymore because he felt responsible for the 324 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:18.319 young man's death. So he was basically committing suicide and 325 00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:21.400 saying sorry that I can't live with it anymore, sorry 326 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:25.160 to his mother. All of this in it. But this 327 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:27.519 is where it was really strange because in the note 328 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.680 itself there was a ps or. By the way, and 329 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.079 on it it said the guy I was with last night, 330 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.599 don't worry what, he's not involved. He was just someone 331 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:39.799 I met and had sex with. 332 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:43.039 Yeah. 333 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.160 Yeah. And the other part of this as well, again 334 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.720 the horror flying aspect of is that the police took 335 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:55.079 that suicide note and then contacted the parents and gave 336 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.799 them a sample of that suicide note. Now, what did 337 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.319 the parents say to the police once they looked at 338 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.960 that suicide note and then what did the police do 339 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.319 with that information from the parents. 340 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:13.519 Well, you know, they were just one hundred percent sure 341 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:16.920 it was not their kids writing. This is not his handwriting, 342 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:23.079 This was not him, and so they left it that 343 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.279 they said that to him, this is it's not him. 344 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.039 The police didn't they didn't believe it. They just thought, well, 345 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:34.000 these parents don't you know whatever. He just didn't. It's 346 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:37.960 just what happened. So they ruled it as an overdose, 347 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.960 just as they did with Kavari. And in the media, 348 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.880 it's important that you know that they came out and 349 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:49.039 they said there was absolutely no connection with the bodies 350 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:52.440 that they had found in the park. They were all 351 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.759 overdoses and none of them had any connection to each other. 352 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.319 But just the note in itself on Daniel Whittwell and 353 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:08.319 actually saying Kavari's name. Who's another body? 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He wanted to know everything that 389 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.400 Gabriel's boyfriend would find out or anything that he had heard. 390 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:12.359 He was trying to stay in touch and involved and 391 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.480 John Luck. He was pretending to be basically an American 392 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:19.599 student that was living in London and that was kind 393 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.680 of his alias. So he was very involved that way. 394 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:27.119 He wanted to be keep an eye on everything that 395 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.480 was going on around him and to make sure there 396 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:30.440 was no suspicion. 397 00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:41.039 You write also about Whitmore's Whitworth's stepmother and talking about 398 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:49.240 the state of the investigation into her son's death, even 399 00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:53.480 after the coroner again with the suicide note and the 400 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:59.119 suspicious suicide note. What did Whitworth's stepmother find in terms 401 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:03.920