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piggybacking on the polling out of the Carolina Journal that
I went over in the last hour.
Speaker 1: Remember the term stochastic terrorism.
Speaker 2: I feel like a broken record saying this because this
was the thing about five years ago. This was the thing.
Stochastic terrorism was all over the media. They were talking
about it all the time because Donald Trump. Jeffrey Blair
had a good peace on this over at National Review
yesterday and the headline is where is your stochastic terrorism now?
Speaker 1: Media?
Speaker 2: And he points out that the attack by the gunman
in Texas yesterday on the ICE facility, it's not even
the first time that ICE has been attacked in Texas.
Texas Immigration and Border officials were the target of far
worse than just street theater. Back in July in Alvarado,
Ice officers there faced a full on ambush. One was
shot in the neck. Later that month, another shooter targeted
Border patrol in McAllen, Texas. And now this one, the
gas lighting, he says, has already begun. Incidentally, the denizens
of Blue Sky America's self imposed social media leper colony,
which is is so true. It's so true. That's what
Blue Sky is, America's self imposed social media leper colony. Right,
they have self segregated themselves a way to just just
roll around in just sewage.
Speaker 1: It's gross anyway.
Speaker 2: Over on Blue Sky, they're going through the exact same
cycle of denial and conspiratorial thinking that they did with
Charlie Kirk's assassination, except this time they've had practice, so
they're speed running it like Twitch streamers. Okay, do I
need to explain this for folks who may not understand
what he's referencing there. It's a it's a kid term.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So first off, Twitch that is a streaming platform and
it's integrated into you know, Xbox and such, and so
you get on the Twitch and you stream yourself playing
the games and people watch, like millions of people watch
other people playing video games.
Speaker 1: So that's what a Twitch streamer is.
Speaker 2: There are people that don't do other things besides video
games streaming with Twitch, but that's the like, that's the
big one. That's the big platform for the gamers to
stream on. And what a speed run.
Speaker 1: Is is that, let's see, do you remember Super Mario Brothers?
Speaker 2: Okay, and you would you know, run across, then you
jump on the pipes, and you would hit the little
mushrooms and you would do all of those things to
get to the very end, right and you're trying not
to die. A speed run is once you have done
the board enough times, you're trying to beat your best time,
so you just run right through. You blitzed right through it, okay,
So that's called a speed run. So that's what they
are doing over on Blue Sky America's self impost social
media eleper colony as he called it, they're doing a
speed run of this response. It's this cycle where they
deny and then they come up with conspiracies.
Speaker 1: And here's some examples I have pulled.
Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna name these people. Because they're morons. Well, okay,
I'll name one. Jojo from Jers, Jojo from Jersey. This
woman who's I think she was literally paid to promote
the talking points out of the DNC. Okay, so she says,
this was yesterday after the photo was published of the
AMMO that said anti Ice right on the AMMO.
Speaker 1: And this is what she said. Anyone else find it odd.
Speaker 2: That Cash Betel's FBI wanted to make sure that everybody
knew as early as possible that one of the bullets
anti Ice written on it. They didn't say anything specific
about the victims, the shooter, the weapon, Nope, just that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So look, I don't know. I don't have.
Speaker 2: Any sources in the FBI, but if I did, I
wouldn't tell you. But anyway, no, but I don't, and
Cash Pttel has not said this, and I haven't heard
this from anybody.
Speaker 1: So this is me just purely guessing.
Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing here, people, But maybe maybe conservatives the
right have now had enough of these examples, and we've
seen your reaction to these events so often, particularly as
of late, that we know the way you're going to respond,
which is to flood the zone with crap, to flood
it with lies in order to get people to believe
a thing that is isn't true. In other words, to
race to fill the void, the narrative void, an informational void.
You go in there, you spread your lies, It calcifies,
that narrative calcifies, and then people believe that the lie
is the truth. Like the last polling I saw on this,
I don't have it in front of me, Susie, I apologize.
But the last polling I saw on this the other
day was that one third of Democrats believe that Charlie
Kirk's assassin was a maga guy. Not true, but that's
what the left pushed. And so maybe again just spitball in.
But maybe the Trump administration knows this. Maybe the right
has wised up to your tactic on this stuff, and
they immediately put out that photo to prevent you from
telling lies. Maybe this is the this is Aaron Rupe.
Oh so I said, I wasn't going to name these people. Sorry,
this is the fishiest stuff I've ever seen. He did
not say stuff we're supposed to believe. The shooter wrote
anti Ice in pen on a bullet and then shot
detainees but not ICE officers. Yes, why is this unbelievable?
Speaker 1: Arin?
Speaker 2: Why, by the way, this guy Rupar, his last name
has become a verb. Did you know that this guy
Aaron Rupar, he spread so many lies that online his
name has become a verb. In other words, you got rupart,
which means you got duped by a lie that Aaron
Rupar spread. But now he wants us to believe that
this is fishy, that this is odd that they would
post the picture of the AMMO with anti Ice written
on it and then he shot detainees. Well, yes, if
you just open fire on a bus or a van
and you cannot see who's in it, then it does
make a good bit of sense that the people in
it would have been the detainees and not ICE officers.
It's not like they're paring them off like a field trip,
you know, like stick with your buddy. Every detainee gets
an ICE agent, you know, that's not how they transport
these people. Another one who writes this is I almost
said his name not going to say, who writes anti
Ice on a bullet just before shooting three immigrants being
detained by Ice? Suddenly those who never trusted the FBI
are suddenly convinced by this. Well, what's the alternate explanation?
Make your case there, crassen steam, Oh dang it, make
your make your case there, idiot, let's hear it. What
that they that they took a picture of some AMMO
and wrote some messaging on the AMMO and they just
had it waiting. Oh and by the way, there's the
AMMO and stuff is wet and the rooftop is wet
because it was rain at the time, so they I
guess they had to have staged that, or maybe they
did it right there. They climbed on the roof, saw
the guy's body and they just staged it. Maybe they
wrote it there. They're planting evidence. This is blue and
on stuff. But this is what on Blue Sky and
on leftist Twitter. This is what they are telling themselves
and promoting to their millions and millions of followers in
order to get people to believe a thing that.
Speaker 1: Is not true.
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Let's talk with Willy. Welcome to the show, Willy.
Speaker 1: How are you.
Speaker 3: Doing well? Hey, Lena? Ask you so I people, aren't
you and the rest of the people just tie the
blame game? I mean, if it is just getting a
little too much, how is that fixing the problem? Now?
Look here?
Speaker 2: So you don't want an answer, You don't want me
to actually answer that question? Or are you just using
that as a wind up?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, answer the question and help the situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, number one, you asked if I
was tired of playing the blame game. So I reject
the premise of your question. First off, I'm not playing
any games here. I'm identifying polling of what people think
is the cause of the rise in political violence, and
people have different attitudes about what is fueling that rise
in political violence. Right, So that's that was what I
did last hour, and I suspect that's what prompted you
to call in was about the which groups of people
blame politicians and media, social media and activists. Right, those
are the break downs, right Okay, okay, so right, So
so if there's a if there's some other way you
want to ask that question.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm not specifically targeting you that you're playing
the game, but it turns it becomes a game because
the tactic, as you know, is divide and conquer. And
also the more the more blame, the more you're doing
this and you're saying this, and he's saying that stirs
up the pot. So but what is the actual.
Speaker 4: In your opinion?
Speaker 3: Since you address that you're not playing any games, which
I never be forether you are, I'm just saying overall
I would say, people is just blame, you know, blame
each other, Blame this one or the other.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well I took it as that you were
telling me that I was playing the blame game, because
you literally said you're playing the blame game. So I
thought that was about me. So that's fine. But here's
the thing. No, no, right, So here's the thing though.
Do you believe that that there is an increase in
political violence occurring?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay.
Speaker 1: So so the question is what you refer to as
the blame.
Speaker 2: I would I would recast, I would reframe maybe, and
I would use the word why why are people doing this?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: But what is this?
Speaker 3: Why? Oh listen, I don't have enough enough minutes on
this phone to call you and tell you why. But
here's what I do. Now, how about the great President
get on freaking TV and say, look, here, here's what
we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: Why hang on. I'm gonna stop you, Willie.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop you right there, because if you don't
know the why, then you offering up a solution that
the president needs to say something that you want him
to say. You have no idea if that's actually going
to help the problem.
Speaker 1: Because you don't know the why.
Speaker 3: The why, the why, all this political violence and all
this stuff is carrying on. You say I don't know why,
and of course I know why. Then tell me, well, hew,
you see what's going on in this division in this.
Speaker 1: Country's that's a question. I'm asking you to make the
assertion why.
Speaker 3: That is exactly why?
Speaker 4: Because what is why they are playing?
Speaker 3: They are blaming each other for this to any other,
And I don't want to get into Look all, I
want to ask you if I can, if you can
just give me one one answer to this problem, because
it's going to get worse.
Speaker 1: I can give you an answer. I'mlike you, I can
give you an answer.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, you know, listen, it sounds to me like
you you know, you're very, very intelligent. I'm not go ahead,
tell me school me.
Speaker 1: I think you're intelligent.
Speaker 2: I think that you've just become accustomed to asking questions
as a way to debate, and that's not actually a
good debate strategy. So I'm trying to force you to
make I'm trying to make you make assertions. I'm trying
to give you to state your case.
Speaker 3: I want expel from the debate team back in high
school in nineteen eighty four, you absolutely same, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Same, same. Yeah. Actually I was never even on a debate.
Speaker 3: No, it's just and they expelled the hell out of
me because I was asking too many questions. So give
me an answer.
Speaker 1: Well, so okay, right, well that should have that should
have told you something.
Speaker 2: That should have told you something, Willy, you should have
said right then, And they're like, maybe this isn't the
best strategy, right.
Speaker 3: Can I simply, can I end this debate with something?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, go ahead, sure, man, Okay, uh.
Speaker 3: I stopped listening to you in the past because you
were the reason why I was going home and getting drunk.
And I don't want to care welcome with that, but
I love.
Speaker 2: You're welcome by Yeah, take care, Willie. I'm sorry to
have hurt your feelings so much. All I require is clarity.
And if you are going to your first going to
say that, don't you get tired of playing the blame game.
That's how you started with me, That's how you started.
And I took that as that you were directing that
to me. You then said that you weren't directing it
to me, and you were asking and you said, this
is just a question. And then I realized very quickly
that you're just asking questions and you're not doing it
in sort of the Socratic method or fashion in order
to arrive at truth. You're simply doing it as a
rhetorical device because you don't want to make the assertion,
which I thought you were going to make the assertion
when you were like Donald Trump should go on TV
and say whatever it is you want him to say.
But if you don't know what's causing the rise in
political violence. Demanding Donald Trump get on the air and
say something, you have no idea if that's actually a solution.
You just want him to do it. For whatever reason
you want him to say something. And here's the thing, though, Willy,
there's nothing Donald Trump can say, even if he could, like,
even if he had the bandwidth to do that, which
I don't think he does. But even if he had
the bandwidth to say something to bring everybody together and
make apologies and say I was wrong or whatever else
it is that you think he should say. These ideas
are deep seated. So you asked me what my solution
this would be. Well, there's obviously a lot of different
ideas there, but primarily, start arresting people, start going after
the funding networks. The arrest of some Anti five people,
the targeting of them is a terrorist organization. That is
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Message from Russ who says in the blame breakdown for
this poll that you covered in the first tower, I
see a stark difference in mindset and framing. One group
is saying violence is justified, they're making us do it.
The other group is saying violence is rarely justified. Media
and activists are manipulating information to rile people up. And
then he as I remember when Willie was at least
fun and interesting as a caller. Also, nobody else can
make you go home and drink another sign of lack
of self awareness.
Speaker 1: And blame shifting. Uh yeah, uh I.
Speaker 2: I attempted to engage with him in good faith, but again,
you know, I can only do so much. I can't
you know, make people recognize the weakness of their debate
tactics or information. Let me go back to the phones
here and talk with Marcus. Hello, Marcus, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: I have a great show about every day.
Speaker 1: Hey Mark, Marcus, he there? Yeah, yeah, okay, I can
hear you now.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, uh yeah. The while ago you was talking
to that guy and you asked him why and he
couldn't tell you why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the why. Oh okay, all right.
Speaker 5: The problem there, thing is our education system and actually
started back from nasing school. I'm seventy this year, and
it started back from izing the school back in the
fifties and everything, and it just gets worse and worse.
You can see if you look back on it, and
uh you know nowadays, uh you know that they get
them off, uh tore up and everything from early age
and you got uh you know, like they don't teach
me in history, like uh yeah, people all to about
the the UH War when we had with Mexico and
how that turned out, and they never read the treaty
or anything, so they don't know exactly.
Speaker 2: Remember that, No, I remember, yeah, that was for like
half a minute in the news cycle there was something
about uh there was something about Lady Hidogo whatever it was,
or Guadaloupe whatever it was.
Speaker 1: The yeah, but they yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2: Well the the in fact, if you look at the
and I covered some of the cross tab information that
the more college educated people became, the more accepting of
violence and harassing of public officials they became.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you were totally right about that. I mean,
it just gets worse and worse, worse and again worked
up to juju now and they're they're they're crazy, and uh,
I don't see a solution to it. Really, I think
it's gonna get worse. I think that uh, some of
those stuff we're doing now is gonna buy some time.
But uh, you know, these people and educated out there
now and they don't know anything about the history of it.
I feel, you know, what we paid Mexico for stuff,
or we give back a bunch of stuff, and and uh,
well I paid off.
Speaker 2: I think public shaming is is a good course of
action as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's shining bout some time. Yeah. Well, humans are
very we are. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 2: Even the most hardened psychopathic killers, the worst form of
imprisonment is solitary confinement, right, So even anti social people
like that still needs some human interactions. So we are
you know, pack animals if you will, and so, you know,
shunning people for this kind of behavior I think is
appropriate and necessary. So ayeah, So that's what I that's
why I call attention to this stuff. It's like, I'm
not playing a blame game, as will he asserted it
is or questioned. It is identifying the behavior and the
speech that maybe impacting people in our society to feel
empowered through the erection of a permission structure that allows
them and emboldens them to go do these things thinking
that they will be rewarded for it somehow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean they're taught that in school. You're right,
You're totally right about that. And then the core you have, well,
I think we'll buy some time, you know, but let's
just change the case system, which I don't think we're
going to do. I think it's going to be a mass.
Speaker 2: Well, I think the way you do that is by
getting people who are opposed to this kind of you know,
critical raise theory and the critical pedagogy, and you get
people in there into the k twelve institutions. I think
that's the only way this, uh, this gets corrected. Marcus,
I do appreciate the call good to hear from you.
I think that's I think that's a big part of
it is. For a long time, these sectors have been
abandoned by, you know, people who did not agree with
the progressive leftist mindset or they did not speak up
against it.
Speaker 1: And I was.
Speaker 2: Reading, uh, some some pieces the other day about how
commonplace it is for conservatives to hear actually conservatives, who
are you outnumbered in a lot of these types of professions.
I think one of them that I was reading was
a librarian and the assumption from a lot of his
co workers are that he is also on the left,
and so they say things to him that they think
are just completely normal. I've had this experience in my
own life, the stuff that people on the left think
that they can say when they because they just I
guess it's echo chamber behavior where you know, well, and
I've used this example.
Speaker 1: It's a Republican example.
Speaker 2: Todd Aiken all those years ago, running for about twenty
years ago, he's running for US Senate against Claire mccaskell
and Missouri and he comes out and says, well, if
it's a legitimate rape, then the woman won't get pregnant,
and everybody's like, what are you even talking about, and
that it tanked his campaign and all of the Republicans
running for office then had to play defend or disavow
by the media, which is also infected with this same
sort of leftist ideology, and so they run out stick
mics in all the Republicans' faces and say what do
you think about what he said? Defend it or disavowed?
But I always went back to, like, where does that
idea come from? And why on earth would you say
that when you're running for office. Well I surmised that
he had probably said that many times and had never
gotten pushedback because his echo chamber probably always said, hmmm,
very interesting, Oh that must be true, and they just
agreed with it. And that's what happens in any kind
of an echo chamber. But the left thinks that they dominate,
and in some industries they do, and when they feel
like everybody around them agrees with them, they say some
stuff that's like that's like this, like, well, you know,
I guess we could, you know, take out some of
our political opponents, and that would be justified because you know,
democracy must be saved. And that's the other part of
it here is when you deal in this kind of
constant catastrophism and you amp people up to think that
the end is nigh, whether it's climate change or Donald Trump,
then you have given them permission to act accordingly because
it's existential. And they haven't even gotten to that point
where they even admit that they're doing this, that they
are playing this catastrophism. I tuned into the NPR affiliate
yesterday and they're still banging on about how climate change
is going to kill us all. I mean, every single day.
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Speaker 1: Uh sure, I'll go over here and talk to Jackie.
Hello Jackie, how are you today?
Speaker 4: Hey, hey Pete, thanks for the show man, good show today.
Well help you all, thanks for taking my call. Man.
I just want to jump in the seventy year old
gentleman who made the comments a few minutes ago about
political virus or violence being worse now than it's ever been,
and he blamed it on the schools. He and I
grew up at the same time, and I vividly remember
John Kennedy being shot, Malcolm X being shot, Bobby Kennedy
being shot, Malcolm X being shot, MegaR Evers being shot,
George Wallace being shot, Vernon Jordan being shot, the four
young girls in Alabama and the church who were killed
by the bomb, the four the teenagers who were the
Freedom Riders being killed in Mississippi. Those those memories are
etched in my mind. Man.
Speaker 2: So there's no way that I don't say I did
not hear him say it's worse than ever before. Well,
I thought, no, he was talking about how it's how
it's it's getting worse now. And I think people of
your generation, who have the who have those memories, would
prefer not to return to that kind of an environment.
And also, I mean I would also throw in the
attacks on the US Capitol, the murdering of the police officers, right,
the rise of these radical left wing underwhether, the underground weathermen.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You had all sorts of political bolence going on for decades,
and we get these spasms of it. And my generation
has no touchstone to this except in the history books.
So I would expect people of your generation to recognize
these signs and to say this is unacceptable. We do
not want to go back to those types of violent acts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think what the gentleman was saying earlier.
You know, you know, I didn't agree with how he
said it, but I think what he was trying to say.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was trying to
say that the blame games not working to solve the problem,
you know, And what is how you look at it.
I think it's culture fate. I really think it's our culture.
Malcolm X's always something he said that. One of his
famous comments was he says, your chickens always come back
to roost. They may go away for a little while,
he said, but they always come back home. And I
think violence is embedded in our culture. We glorify balance
we always had with our movies, not always now and
not always right now.
Speaker 1: And we haven't always glorified violence.
Speaker 4: Well, for a long time we have. When name one
period of time in America where there haven't hasn't been
substantial violence.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a different question. You said.
Speaker 2: You said that we've always glorified violence in our movies,
and that's not true when Hollywood first began. In fact,
a lot of the TV shows when you were a
kid wouldn't even show a gun being fired.
Speaker 4: Good point, good point, good point. Well, we we do
a lot of it, I guess is what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, Yeah, we do a lot more of
it now, absolutely, And yeah, there's a desensitization that has
occurred because of the media that we consume.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, so that's.
Speaker 4: Part of it. But the movie glorification started when I
was a young man.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite movies of all time is a Godfather.
And then I don't know, you're probably not old as
I am, but you remember the Bye Explortation movies, Shaft
and all those movies. Those movies were built on violence,
you know, and it's been that way for a long time,
so we glorify violence. I'm sitting in front of a
shopping center right now and it's one of these laser
tag places, and there's a picture of like non a kids,
eight kids in the window, all with a gun point
at each other. You know.
Speaker 1: But kids have been doing Yeah, but I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2: Kids have been playing cops and robbers and that's I mean,
laser tag is I think a different level.
Speaker 1: Look.
Speaker 2: I think that some of your points, and Jackie, I
appreciate the call. I gotta let you go because I'm
up against the break. I think the culture plays a
huge role and in fact, like Bill Maher and I
played this when he did it, he did a very
good takedown on the current Hollywood offerings where it's always
like this anti hero going out and getting revenge for
being wronged and slighted somehow and how it's the premise
of so many movies nowadays, and maybe Hollywood deserves some
of the blame here as well, as you said, glorifying
it or celebrating this kind of criminality.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, Jackie, all right, that'll do it
for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.
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