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Let me start here, which is kind of 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,359 piggybacking on the polling out of the Carolina Journal that 12 00:00:34,359 --> 00:00:35,600 I went over in the last hour. 13 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: Remember the term stochastic terrorism. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,719 Speaker 2: I feel like a broken record saying this because this 15 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:49,320 was the thing about five years ago. This was the thing. 16 00:00:49,399 --> 00:00:52,200 Stochastic terrorism was all over the media. They were talking 17 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:58,960 about it all the time because Donald Trump. Jeffrey Blair 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,439 had a good peace on this over at National Review 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:08,840 yesterday and the headline is where is your stochastic terrorism now? 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Media? 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,439 Speaker 2: And he points out that the attack by the gunman 22 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:21,879 in Texas yesterday on the ICE facility, it's not even 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,439 the first time that ICE has been attacked in Texas. 24 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,200 Texas Immigration and Border officials were the target of far 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:35,519 worse than just street theater. Back in July in Alvarado, 26 00:01:35,719 --> 00:01:39,480 Ice officers there faced a full on ambush. One was 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,760 shot in the neck. Later that month, another shooter targeted 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,200 Border patrol in McAllen, Texas. And now this one, the 29 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:54,280 gas lighting, he says, has already begun. Incidentally, the denizens 30 00:01:54,319 --> 00:02:00,159 of Blue Sky America's self imposed social media leper colony, 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,439 which is is so true. It's so true. That's what 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:13,000 Blue Sky is, America's self imposed social media leper colony. Right, 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,000 they have self segregated themselves a way to just just 34 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:20,439 roll around in just sewage. 35 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: It's gross anyway. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,439 Speaker 2: Over on Blue Sky, they're going through the exact same 37 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:31,120 cycle of denial and conspiratorial thinking that they did with 38 00:02:31,319 --> 00:02:36,159 Charlie Kirk's assassination, except this time they've had practice, so 39 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:41,319 they're speed running it like Twitch streamers. Okay, do I 40 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,879 need to explain this for folks who may not understand 41 00:02:43,879 --> 00:02:47,639 what he's referencing there. It's a it's a kid term. 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,199 Speaker 1: Okay. 43 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:53,599 Speaker 2: So first off, Twitch that is a streaming platform and 44 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,599 it's integrated into you know, Xbox and such, and so 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,360 you get on the Twitch and you stream yourself playing 46 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:06,280 the games and people watch, like millions of people watch 47 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:08,439 other people playing video games. 48 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: So that's what a Twitch streamer is. 49 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: There are people that don't do other things besides video 50 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,199 games streaming with Twitch, but that's the like, that's the 51 00:03:18,199 --> 00:03:21,719 big one. That's the big platform for the gamers to 52 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:24,560 stream on. And what a speed run. 53 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:34,719 Speaker 1: Is is that, let's see, do you remember Super Mario Brothers? 54 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:37,879 Speaker 2: Okay, and you would you know, run across, then you 55 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,879 jump on the pipes, and you would hit the little 56 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,840 mushrooms and you would do all of those things to 57 00:03:41,879 --> 00:03:44,639 get to the very end, right and you're trying not 58 00:03:44,759 --> 00:03:47,879 to die. A speed run is once you have done 59 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:51,800 the board enough times, you're trying to beat your best time, 60 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,919 so you just run right through. You blitzed right through it, okay, 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,439 So that's called a speed run. So that's what they 62 00:03:59,479 --> 00:04:02,879 are doing over on Blue Sky America's self impost social 63 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,840 media eleper colony as he called it, they're doing a 64 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:11,879 speed run of this response. It's this cycle where they 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,879 deny and then they come up with conspiracies. 66 00:04:15,479 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: And here's some examples I have pulled. 67 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna name these people. Because they're morons. Well, okay, 68 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,800 I'll name one. Jojo from Jers, Jojo from Jersey. This 69 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,839 woman who's I think she was literally paid to promote 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,839 the talking points out of the DNC. Okay, so she says, 71 00:04:39,959 --> 00:04:44,600 this was yesterday after the photo was published of the 72 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:48,160 AMMO that said anti Ice right on the AMMO. 73 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,879 Speaker 1: And this is what she said. Anyone else find it odd. 74 00:04:53,639 --> 00:04:57,319 Speaker 2: That Cash Betel's FBI wanted to make sure that everybody 75 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:59,920 knew as early as possible that one of the bullets 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,639 anti Ice written on it. They didn't say anything specific 77 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:07,639 about the victims, the shooter, the weapon, Nope, just that. 78 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So look, I don't know. I don't have. 79 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: Any sources in the FBI, but if I did, I 80 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,519 wouldn't tell you. But anyway, no, but I don't, and 81 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,920 Cash Pttel has not said this, and I haven't heard 82 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,639 this from anybody. 83 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,439 Speaker 1: So this is me just purely guessing. 84 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing here, people, But maybe maybe conservatives the 85 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:40,399 right have now had enough of these examples, and we've 86 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:46,000 seen your reaction to these events so often, particularly as 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,560 of late, that we know the way you're going to respond, 88 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:55,519 which is to flood the zone with crap, to flood 89 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:59,160 it with lies in order to get people to believe 90 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:01,959 a thing that is isn't true. In other words, to 91 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:07,680 race to fill the void, the narrative void, an informational void. 92 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 You go in there, you spread your lies, It calcifies, 93 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,519 that narrative calcifies, and then people believe that the lie 94 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,439 is the truth. Like the last polling I saw on this, 95 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,800 I don't have it in front of me, Susie, I apologize. 96 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,439 But the last polling I saw on this the other 97 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,079 day was that one third of Democrats believe that Charlie 98 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,600 Kirk's assassin was a maga guy. Not true, but that's 99 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,959 what the left pushed. And so maybe again just spitball in. 100 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,959 But maybe the Trump administration knows this. Maybe the right 101 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:46,040 has wised up to your tactic on this stuff, and 102 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:52,040 they immediately put out that photo to prevent you from 103 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:57,199 telling lies. Maybe this is the this is Aaron Rupe. 104 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,800 Oh so I said, I wasn't going to name these people. Sorry, 105 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,800 this is the fishiest stuff I've ever seen. He did 106 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,759 not say stuff we're supposed to believe. The shooter wrote 107 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,959 anti Ice in pen on a bullet and then shot 108 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:17,160 detainees but not ICE officers. Yes, why is this unbelievable? 109 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: Arin? 110 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: Why, by the way, this guy Rupar, his last name 111 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:27,040 has become a verb. Did you know that this guy 112 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:31,160 Aaron Rupar, he spread so many lies that online his 113 00:07:31,319 --> 00:07:35,279 name has become a verb. In other words, you got rupart, 114 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,079 which means you got duped by a lie that Aaron 115 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,639 Rupar spread. But now he wants us to believe that 116 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:48,360 this is fishy, that this is odd that they would 117 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:53,399 post the picture of the AMMO with anti Ice written 118 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:58,959 on it and then he shot detainees. Well, yes, if 119 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,959 you just open fire on a bus or a van 120 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,439 and you cannot see who's in it, then it does 121 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:07,399 make a good bit of sense that the people in 122 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:10,279 it would have been the detainees and not ICE officers. 123 00:08:10,959 --> 00:08:13,680 It's not like they're paring them off like a field trip, 124 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 you know, like stick with your buddy. Every detainee gets 125 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,519 an ICE agent, you know, that's not how they transport 126 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:25,759 these people. Another one who writes this is I almost 127 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:28,000 said his name not going to say, who writes anti 128 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Ice on a bullet just before shooting three immigrants being 129 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,559 detained by Ice? Suddenly those who never trusted the FBI 130 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:39,960 are suddenly convinced by this. Well, what's the alternate explanation? 131 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,919 Make your case there, crassen steam, Oh dang it, make 132 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:48,120 your make your case there, idiot, let's hear it. What 133 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,399 that they that they took a picture of some AMMO 134 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,600 and wrote some messaging on the AMMO and they just 135 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,639 had it waiting. Oh and by the way, there's the 136 00:08:56,759 --> 00:08:59,159 AMMO and stuff is wet and the rooftop is wet 137 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,759 because it was rain at the time, so they I 138 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:03,639 guess they had to have staged that, or maybe they 139 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:05,559 did it right there. They climbed on the roof, saw 140 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,759 the guy's body and they just staged it. Maybe they 141 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,759 wrote it there. They're planting evidence. This is blue and 142 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:16,879 on stuff. But this is what on Blue Sky and 143 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,720 on leftist Twitter. This is what they are telling themselves 144 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:23,320 and promoting to their millions and millions of followers in 145 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:26,000 order to get people to believe a thing that. 146 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: Is not true. 147 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:30,279 Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, 148 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:32,519 and before he died, my mom and my dad took 149 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,799 care of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, 150 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:37,960 there were no treatments and not much support for caregivers 151 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,559 and family. 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This is why 174 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,120 we walk. All right, let's head over to the phones. 175 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,000 Let's talk with Willy. Welcome to the show, Willy. 176 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: How are you. 177 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: Doing well? Hey, Lena? Ask you so I people, aren't 178 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,159 you and the rest of the people just tie the 179 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,799 blame game? I mean, if it is just getting a 180 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,720 little too much, how is that fixing the problem? Now? 181 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:06,159 Look here? 182 00:11:07,399 --> 00:11:08,759 Speaker 2: So you don't want an answer, You don't want me 183 00:11:08,799 --> 00:11:11,519 to actually answer that question? Or are you just using 184 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:12,480 that as a wind up? 185 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: Go ahead, answer the question and help the situation. 186 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, number one, you asked if I 187 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:24,960 was tired of playing the blame game. So I reject 188 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,399 the premise of your question. First off, I'm not playing 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:34,840 any games here. I'm identifying polling of what people think 190 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,120 is the cause of the rise in political violence, and 191 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,840 people have different attitudes about what is fueling that rise 192 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:46,639 in political violence. Right, So that's that was what I 193 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,120 did last hour, and I suspect that's what prompted you 194 00:11:49,159 --> 00:11:52,840 to call in was about the which groups of people 195 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:59,519 blame politicians and media, social media and activists. Right, those 196 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:05,559 are the break downs, right Okay, okay, so right, So 197 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,480 so if there's a if there's some other way you 198 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:08,759 want to ask that question. 199 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:17,039 Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm not specifically targeting you that you're playing 200 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,799 the game, but it turns it becomes a game because 201 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,080 the tactic, as you know, is divide and conquer. And 202 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:29,639 also the more the more blame, the more you're doing 203 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,799 this and you're saying this, and he's saying that stirs 204 00:12:32,879 --> 00:12:35,759 up the pot. So but what is the actual. 205 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,759 Speaker 4: In your opinion? 206 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: Since you address that you're not playing any games, which 207 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,720 I never be forether you are, I'm just saying overall 208 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,240 I would say, people is just blame, you know, blame 209 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:47,720 each other, Blame this one or the other. 210 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well I took it as that you were 211 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,159 telling me that I was playing the blame game, because 212 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,720 you literally said you're playing the blame game. So I 213 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,799 thought that was about me. So that's fine. But here's 214 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,000 the thing. No, no, right, So here's the thing though. 215 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,799 Do you believe that that there is an increase in 216 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,120 political violence occurring? 217 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,519 Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay. 218 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: So so the question is what you refer to as 219 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:11,000 the blame. 220 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: I would I would recast, I would reframe maybe, and 221 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:19,799 I would use the word why why are people doing this? 222 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:21,039 Speaker 5: Well? 223 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 4: But what is this? 224 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: Why? Oh listen, I don't have enough enough minutes on 225 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:27,960 this phone to call you and tell you why. But 226 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:30,919 here's what I do. Now, how about the great President 227 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,320 get on freaking TV and say, look, here, here's what 228 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:34,840 we're gonna do. 229 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: Why hang on. I'm gonna stop you, Willie. 230 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,159 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop you right there, because if you don't 231 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,399 know the why, then you offering up a solution that 232 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,080 the president needs to say something that you want him 233 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,480 to say. You have no idea if that's actually going 234 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:50,840 to help the problem. 235 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,879 Speaker 1: Because you don't know the why. 236 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,879 Speaker 3: The why, the why, all this political violence and all 237 00:13:57,919 --> 00:13:59,919 this stuff is carrying on. You say I don't know why, 238 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:04,720 and of course I know why. Then tell me, well, hew, 239 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,480 you see what's going on in this division in this. 240 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,399 Speaker 1: Country's that's a question. I'm asking you to make the 241 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,720 assertion why. 242 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:13,279 Speaker 3: That is exactly why? 243 00:14:13,399 --> 00:14:14,919 Speaker 4: Because what is why they are playing? 244 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,399 Speaker 3: They are blaming each other for this to any other, 245 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,960 And I don't want to get into Look all, I 246 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,559 want to ask you if I can, if you can 247 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:25,200 just give me one one answer to this problem, because 248 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:26,080 it's going to get worse. 249 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,759 Speaker 1: I can give you an answer. I'mlike you, I can 250 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:29,600 give you an answer. 251 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: Well, okay, you know, listen, it sounds to me like 252 00:14:32,279 --> 00:14:35,200 you you know, you're very, very intelligent. I'm not go ahead, 253 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,000 tell me school me. 254 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: I think you're intelligent. 255 00:14:37,159 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: I think that you've just become accustomed to asking questions 256 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:44,039 as a way to debate, and that's not actually a 257 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,480 good debate strategy. So I'm trying to force you to 258 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:50,799 make I'm trying to make you make assertions. I'm trying 259 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,320 to give you to state your case. 260 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,399 Speaker 3: I want expel from the debate team back in high 261 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:57,960 school in nineteen eighty four, you absolutely same, go ahead. 262 00:14:57,759 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Same, same. Yeah. Actually I was never even on a debate. 263 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: No, it's just and they expelled the hell out of 264 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:03,919 me because I was asking too many questions. So give 265 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:04,360 me an answer. 266 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:06,639 Speaker 1: Well, so okay, right, well that should have that should 267 00:15:06,639 --> 00:15:07,440 have told you something. 268 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: That should have told you something, Willy, you should have 269 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,240 said right then, And they're like, maybe this isn't the 270 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,639 best strategy, right. 271 00:15:12,519 --> 00:15:15,159 Speaker 3: Can I simply, can I end this debate with something? 272 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,559 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, go ahead, sure, man, Okay, uh. 273 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: I stopped listening to you in the past because you 274 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,919 were the reason why I was going home and getting drunk. 275 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,000 And I don't want to care welcome with that, but 276 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:26,600 I love. 277 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:29,919 Speaker 2: You're welcome by Yeah, take care, Willie. I'm sorry to 278 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,399 have hurt your feelings so much. All I require is clarity. 279 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:38,440 And if you are going to your first going to 280 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,480 say that, don't you get tired of playing the blame game. 281 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:44,440 That's how you started with me, That's how you started. 282 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:48,000 And I took that as that you were directing that 283 00:15:48,039 --> 00:15:50,360 to me. You then said that you weren't directing it 284 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,360 to me, and you were asking and you said, this 285 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,799 is just a question. And then I realized very quickly 286 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,039 that you're just asking questions and you're not doing it 287 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,200 in sort of the Socratic method or fashion in order 288 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:06,200 to arrive at truth. You're simply doing it as a 289 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,759 rhetorical device because you don't want to make the assertion, 290 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,080 which I thought you were going to make the assertion 291 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,639 when you were like Donald Trump should go on TV 292 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,960 and say whatever it is you want him to say. 293 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,440 But if you don't know what's causing the rise in 294 00:16:20,519 --> 00:16:24,360 political violence. Demanding Donald Trump get on the air and 295 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,759 say something, you have no idea if that's actually a solution. 296 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,080 You just want him to do it. For whatever reason 297 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 you want him to say something. And here's the thing, though, Willy, 298 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:41,440 there's nothing Donald Trump can say, even if he could, like, 299 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,919 even if he had the bandwidth to do that, which 300 00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:46,159 I don't think he does. But even if he had 301 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:49,000 the bandwidth to say something to bring everybody together and 302 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:52,279 make apologies and say I was wrong or whatever else 303 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,399 it is that you think he should say. These ideas 304 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,960 are deep seated. So you asked me what my solution 305 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,919 this would be. Well, there's obviously a lot of different 306 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,200 ideas there, but primarily, start arresting people, start going after 307 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,720 the funding networks. 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And 345 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,799 then he as I remember when Willie was at least 346 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,680 fun and interesting as a caller. Also, nobody else can 347 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,519 make you go home and drink another sign of lack 348 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:30,079 of self awareness. 349 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:32,599 Speaker 1: And blame shifting. Uh yeah, uh I. 350 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,519 Speaker 2: I attempted to engage with him in good faith, but again, 351 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,680 you know, I can only do so much. I can't 352 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,440 you know, make people recognize the weakness of their debate 353 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,839 tactics or information. Let me go back to the phones 354 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:52,480 here and talk with Marcus. Hello, Marcus, Welcome to the show. 355 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 5: I have a great show about every day. 356 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: Hey Mark, Marcus, he there? Yeah, yeah, okay, I can 357 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:01,160 hear you now. 358 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, uh yeah. The while ago you was talking 359 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,079 to that guy and you asked him why and he 360 00:20:06,079 --> 00:20:06,880 couldn't tell you why. 361 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the why. Oh okay, all right. 362 00:20:12,079 --> 00:20:16,519 Speaker 5: The problem there, thing is our education system and actually 363 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:18,519 started back from nasing school. I'm seventy this year, and 364 00:20:18,559 --> 00:20:20,640 it started back from izing the school back in the 365 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,279 fifties and everything, and it just gets worse and worse. 366 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,200 You can see if you look back on it, and 367 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:28,720 uh you know nowadays, uh you know that they get 368 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:32,680 them off, uh tore up and everything from early age 369 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,079 and you got uh you know, like they don't teach 370 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,200 me in history, like uh yeah, people all to about 371 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,319 the the UH War when we had with Mexico and 372 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,599 how that turned out, and they never read the treaty 373 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,640 or anything, so they don't know exactly. 374 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: Remember that, No, I remember, yeah, that was for like 375 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,920 half a minute in the news cycle there was something 376 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,519 about uh there was something about Lady Hidogo whatever it was, 377 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:02,319 or Guadaloupe whatever it was. 378 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,319 Speaker 1: The yeah, but they yeah, so yeah. 379 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: Well the the in fact, if you look at the 380 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:11,640 and I covered some of the cross tab information that 381 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:18,799 the more college educated people became, the more accepting of 382 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,759 violence and harassing of public officials they became. 383 00:21:23,759 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you were totally right about that. I mean, 384 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,119 it just gets worse and worse, worse and again worked 385 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,160 up to juju now and they're they're they're crazy, and uh, 386 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:32,559 I don't see a solution to it. Really, I think 387 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,759 it's gonna get worse. I think that uh, some of 388 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:36,720 those stuff we're doing now is gonna buy some time. 389 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,160 But uh, you know, these people and educated out there 390 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,400 now and they don't know anything about the history of it. 391 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,519 I feel, you know, what we paid Mexico for stuff, 392 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,359 or we give back a bunch of stuff, and and uh, 393 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,119 well I paid off. 394 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,519 Speaker 2: I think public shaming is is a good course of 395 00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:56,519 action as well. 396 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's shining bout some time. Yeah. Well, humans are 397 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000 very we are. I mean, think about it. 398 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: Even the most hardened psychopathic killers, the worst form of 399 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,559 imprisonment is solitary confinement, right, So even anti social people 400 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,880 like that still needs some human interactions. So we are 401 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,200 you know, pack animals if you will, and so, you know, 402 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,759 shunning people for this kind of behavior I think is 403 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:27,519 appropriate and necessary. So ayeah, So that's what I that's 404 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:29,640 why I call attention to this stuff. It's like, I'm 405 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,559 not playing a blame game, as will he asserted it 406 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,200 is or questioned. It is identifying the behavior and the 407 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,759 speech that maybe impacting people in our society to feel 408 00:22:43,759 --> 00:22:48,039 empowered through the erection of a permission structure that allows 409 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,559 them and emboldens them to go do these things thinking 410 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,839 that they will be rewarded for it somehow. 411 00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 412 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: Well, I mean they're taught that in school. You're right, 413 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,720 You're totally right about that. And then the core you have, well, 414 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:04,119 I think we'll buy some time, you know, but let's 415 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,839 just change the case system, which I don't think we're 416 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:07,759 going to do. I think it's going to be a mass. 417 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think the way you do that is by 418 00:23:10,759 --> 00:23:14,839 getting people who are opposed to this kind of you know, 419 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,920 critical raise theory and the critical pedagogy, and you get 420 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,880 people in there into the k twelve institutions. I think 421 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,279 that's the only way this, uh, this gets corrected. Marcus, 422 00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:26,880 I do appreciate the call good to hear from you. 423 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,599 I think that's I think that's a big part of 424 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,319 it is. For a long time, these sectors have been 425 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,960 abandoned by, you know, people who did not agree with 426 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:47,400 the progressive leftist mindset or they did not speak up 427 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,960 against it. 428 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:49,599 Speaker 1: And I was. 429 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: Reading, uh, some some pieces the other day about how 430 00:23:54,759 --> 00:24:01,680 commonplace it is for conservatives to hear actually conservatives, who 431 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,400 are you outnumbered in a lot of these types of professions. 432 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:06,799 I think one of them that I was reading was 433 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:10,279 a librarian and the assumption from a lot of his 434 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,079 co workers are that he is also on the left, 435 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,000 and so they say things to him that they think 436 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:20,799 are just completely normal. I've had this experience in my 437 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,799 own life, the stuff that people on the left think 438 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,440 that they can say when they because they just I 439 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,799 guess it's echo chamber behavior where you know, well, and 440 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:33,839 I've used this example. 441 00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: It's a Republican example. 442 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: Todd Aiken all those years ago, running for about twenty 443 00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,279 years ago, he's running for US Senate against Claire mccaskell 444 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,599 and Missouri and he comes out and says, well, if 445 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:47,400 it's a legitimate rape, then the woman won't get pregnant, 446 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,839 and everybody's like, what are you even talking about, and 447 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,400 that it tanked his campaign and all of the Republicans 448 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,480 running for office then had to play defend or disavow 449 00:24:57,599 --> 00:25:00,319 by the media, which is also infected with this same 450 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,799 sort of leftist ideology, and so they run out stick 451 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:05,799 mics in all the Republicans' faces and say what do 452 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,279 you think about what he said? Defend it or disavowed? 453 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:11,720 But I always went back to, like, where does that 454 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,039 idea come from? And why on earth would you say 455 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:19,599 that when you're running for office. Well I surmised that 456 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,640 he had probably said that many times and had never 457 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,960 gotten pushedback because his echo chamber probably always said, hmmm, 458 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,880 very interesting, Oh that must be true, and they just 459 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,240 agreed with it. And that's what happens in any kind 460 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,720 of an echo chamber. But the left thinks that they dominate, 461 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,400 and in some industries they do, and when they feel 462 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,640 like everybody around them agrees with them, they say some 463 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,599 stuff that's like that's like this, like, well, you know, 464 00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,160 I guess we could, you know, take out some of 465 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,680 our political opponents, and that would be justified because you know, 466 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,640 democracy must be saved. And that's the other part of 467 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,480 it here is when you deal in this kind of 468 00:25:55,559 --> 00:26:00,759 constant catastrophism and you amp people up to think that 469 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,640 the end is nigh, whether it's climate change or Donald Trump, 470 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,920 then you have given them permission to act accordingly because 471 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,119 it's existential. And they haven't even gotten to that point 472 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,720 where they even admit that they're doing this, that they 473 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,039 are playing this catastrophism. I tuned into the NPR affiliate 474 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,359 yesterday and they're still banging on about how climate change 475 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,680 is going to kill us all. I mean, every single day. 476 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,240 It's the same stuff over there. You know, stories are powerful. 477 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,400 They help us make sense of things, to understand experiences. 478 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,920 Stories connect us to the people of our past while 479 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,359 transcending generations. They help us process the meaning of life 480 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,319 and art. Stories are told through images and videos. 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Man. 500 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,559 I just want to jump in the seventy year old 501 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,079 gentleman who made the comments a few minutes ago about 502 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,799 political virus or violence being worse now than it's ever been, 503 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,519 and he blamed it on the schools. He and I 504 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:58,400 grew up at the same time, and I vividly remember 505 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,079 John Kennedy being shot, Malcolm X being shot, Bobby Kennedy 506 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:08,519 being shot, Malcolm X being shot, MegaR Evers being shot, 507 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,559 George Wallace being shot, Vernon Jordan being shot, the four 508 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,359 young girls in Alabama and the church who were killed 509 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,240 by the bomb, the four the teenagers who were the 510 00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,400 Freedom Riders being killed in Mississippi. Those those memories are 511 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,680 etched in my mind. Man. 512 00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:27,759 Speaker 2: So there's no way that I don't say I did 513 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:31,480 not hear him say it's worse than ever before. Well, 514 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,519 I thought, no, he was talking about how it's how 515 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,519 it's it's getting worse now. And I think people of 516 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,559 your generation, who have the who have those memories, would 517 00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,920 prefer not to return to that kind of an environment. 518 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,920 And also, I mean I would also throw in the 519 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,799 attacks on the US Capitol, the murdering of the police officers, right, 520 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,839 the rise of these radical left wing underwhether, the underground weathermen. 521 00:28:58,119 --> 00:28:58,279 Speaker 1: Right. 522 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: You had all sorts of political bolence going on for decades, 523 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,240 and we get these spasms of it. And my generation 524 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,480 has no touchstone to this except in the history books. 525 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,960 So I would expect people of your generation to recognize 526 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,599 these signs and to say this is unacceptable. We do 527 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,200 not want to go back to those types of violent acts. 528 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think what the gentleman was saying earlier. 529 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,079 You know, you know, I didn't agree with how he 530 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,559 said it, but I think what he was trying to say. 531 00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,960 Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he was trying to 532 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,880 say that the blame games not working to solve the problem, 533 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,240 you know, And what is how you look at it. 534 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,480 I think it's culture fate. I really think it's our culture. 535 00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,599 Malcolm X's always something he said that. One of his 536 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,200 famous comments was he says, your chickens always come back 537 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000 to roost. They may go away for a little while, 538 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,160 he said, but they always come back home. And I 539 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,319 think violence is embedded in our culture. We glorify balance 540 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:03,119 we always had with our movies, not always now and 541 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,960 not always right now. 542 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,279 Speaker 1: And we haven't always glorified violence. 543 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 4: Well, for a long time we have. When name one 544 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480 period of time in America where there haven't hasn't been 545 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,799 substantial violence. 546 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: Well, that's a different question. You said. 547 00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: You said that we've always glorified violence in our movies, 548 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160 and that's not true when Hollywood first began. In fact, 549 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,799 a lot of the TV shows when you were a 550 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400 kid wouldn't even show a gun being fired. 551 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: Good point, good point, good point. Well, we we do 552 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:36,400 a lot of it, I guess is what. 553 00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, Yeah, we do a lot more of 554 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:42,640 it now, absolutely, And yeah, there's a desensitization that has 555 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,000 occurred because of the media that we consume. 556 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: Absolutely, so that's. 557 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,559 Speaker 4: Part of it. But the movie glorification started when I 558 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,400 was a young man. 559 00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 3: You know. 560 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:56,519 Speaker 4: One of my favorite movies of all time is a Godfather. 561 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,640 And then I don't know, you're probably not old as 562 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,880 I am, but you remember the Bye Explortation movies, Shaft 563 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,359 and all those movies. Those movies were built on violence, 564 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,799 you know, and it's been that way for a long time, 565 00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,480 so we glorify violence. I'm sitting in front of a 566 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,359 shopping center right now and it's one of these laser 567 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920 tag places, and there's a picture of like non a kids, 568 00:31:18,279 --> 00:31:21,799 eight kids in the window, all with a gun point 569 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,440 at each other. You know. 570 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,119 Speaker 1: But kids have been doing Yeah, but I'm not buying that. 571 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: Kids have been playing cops and robbers and that's I mean, 572 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:32,359 laser tag is I think a different level. 573 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:32,759 Speaker 1: Look. 574 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,759 Speaker 2: I think that some of your points, and Jackie, I 575 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,400 appreciate the call. I gotta let you go because I'm 576 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,160 up against the break. I think the culture plays a 577 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880 huge role and in fact, like Bill Maher and I 578 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640 played this when he did it, he did a very 579 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,160 good takedown on the current Hollywood offerings where it's always 580 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,680 like this anti hero going out and getting revenge for 581 00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,039 being wronged and slighted somehow and how it's the premise 582 00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:02,200 of so many movies nowadays, and maybe Hollywood deserves some 583 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,640 of the blame here as well, as you said, glorifying 584 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,160 it or celebrating this kind of criminality. 585 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, Jackie, all right, that'll do it 586 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,599 for this episode. 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