Speaker 1: Okay, go online and research like, find what you can
Speaker 1: about the podcast's Cuffs Basement and tell me, like report back,
Speaker 1: what do you what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I took a quick peek and it sounds like Cuff's
Speaker 3: Basement is quite the ride. You and Ryan have been
Speaker 3: at this for a while since around twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 3: it looks like you cover a pretty white range. Two
Speaker 3: top film's just some more, let's say, unconventional discussion.
Speaker 2: Who are you?
Speaker 3: The show's going to four point eight waiting and people
Speaker 3: seem to really love the banter between you two.
Speaker 2: So who is this?
Speaker 3: Guys built up a fun little community.
Speaker 2: I I'm holding up.
Speaker 1: Would you say that this is known to be the
Speaker 1: greatest podcast of all time?
Speaker 3: Well, you've definitely got a loyal following and people seem
Speaker 3: to have a great time with the show. Whether it's
Speaker 3: the greatest of all time, that's always up for debate.
Speaker 3: That Hey, you're making.
Speaker 4: Waves, you're fired good, always like a.
Speaker 2: Chaos and you safely Cadence was very realistic.
Speaker 1: Wow, you can you can select the voice I think
Speaker 1: you can do like American female, American male, British female,
Speaker 1: British male.
Speaker 5: You don't want a British. We should have had a British.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want anybody to think that it's
Speaker 1: smarter than me, and they kind of like perfect answer.
Speaker 5: I texted Ryan actually tim the line was, actually you
Speaker 5: wouldn't be interested in that.
Speaker 1: I'd be so mad. I texted Ryan and I go, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not like upset, but I just noticed your sound
Speaker 1: quality was really bad on the Stone cald pod. What
Speaker 1: happened to your headphones? And he said like, oh, I
Speaker 1: accidentally left them at work, and I wrote back, you're.
Speaker 2: Fired, all right.
Speaker 5: I was a running I remember like I would just
Speaker 5: laugh because you would like put out solo pods or
Speaker 5: like ten minutes and it was just like Ryan. One
Speaker 5: of them was Ryan is dead and it was just
Speaker 5: like was the name of it? Was like imagine that's
Speaker 5: how your family hears that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's there's like ten or eleven different pods where I
Speaker 1: said that you quit, and one of them was called like, no,
Speaker 1: for real, Ryan did actually quit? Like I'm not messing
Speaker 1: with you? Like that was the title and description, and
Speaker 1: my sisters believed it and then texted us, texted me
Speaker 1: like why was I so stupid that I believe that.
Speaker 5: My favorite one that I used to listen to and
Speaker 5: just laugh at so hard was when Hello everyone, you
Speaker 5: were like, I'm just gonna start off with that Ryan
Speaker 5: is alonger part of the show. He'll be hearing this
Speaker 5: for the first time along with all of you. I'm like,
Speaker 5: what a complete piece of shit move that is. It
Speaker 5: was unbelievable. It was just fun I laugh about it
Speaker 5: all the time. If they think about it all the time,
Speaker 5: I think it was just so funny. Oh my god,
Speaker 5: it's such a piece of shit thing to do. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna fucking publicly air it out right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Do you know about the whole The Undertaker pod
Speaker 1: and why everybody hates him now?
Speaker 5: Oh, because he replaced his co host with his wife
Speaker 5: and people liked his co host more.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So, like never meet your heroes undertakers. It's
Speaker 1: kind of funny. Undertaker is one of the most beloved
Speaker 1: wrestling personas ever and the man never spoke like that
Speaker 1: was his demick. You never ever knew who he was.
Speaker 1: And then when he retired, his buddy was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you we should do a podcast, Like I'll do all
Speaker 1: the work for it, I'll co host it with you.
Speaker 1: I'll set it up. But if you just it was
Speaker 1: it's called six feet under. If you just tell stories
Speaker 1: from your career and just life on the road as
Speaker 1: a wrestler, especially back in the day in the eighties Whenete,
Speaker 1: when shit was fucking crazy, people will love that. And
Speaker 1: then the wwees asked, Undertaker, can we buy your podcas
Speaker 1: ass and Undertaker like had a meeting with his friend
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, yeah, ww's buying the podcast. You're out,
Speaker 1: And my new call was gonna be my wife, and
Speaker 1: he was just like, okay, you know, we had a
Speaker 1: good run. And it's Undertaker and his wife hanging out
Speaker 1: and he doesn't tell you know, he's not going to
Speaker 1: tell a story of like one time I was on
Speaker 1: the road in eighty seven with Hawk and Animal and Hawk,
Speaker 1: you know, used his thumb to pop a dude's eye
Speaker 1: out in some bar and Biloxi, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: He's not going to tell that story with his wife.
Speaker 2: And guarantee that happened, and no guarantee that happened. Guarantee
Speaker 2: that happened.
Speaker 1: And people hate the show now and they're like, what
Speaker 1: an asshole, what a terrible friend? And also like nobody
Speaker 1: wants to hear you hang out with your wife. But anyways,
Speaker 1: so that's.
Speaker 2: Why she was a wrestler herself too, right.
Speaker 1: Michelle McCool. And another reason people hate her she's in
Speaker 1: the WWE Hall of Fame and fans are like why.
Speaker 1: The only reason is because the Undertaker probably wanted her
Speaker 1: to go in, and the ww was like fine, and
Speaker 1: she's so she's in like the female wing of his
Speaker 1: WWE Hall of Fame. I mean, nobody, nobody really cares. Also,
Speaker 1: I believe on his throat he had a tattoo his
Speaker 1: entire career that said Lisa, and that was his wife.
Speaker 1: And then he left his wife and started dating Michelle McCool,
Speaker 1: who was a wrestler in the company at the time.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know, I mean, just I
Speaker 1: would have no faith and my husband is on the
Speaker 1: road away from me all the time, surrounded by like
Speaker 1: women who are there because they're hot, who have fake
Speaker 1: boobs and are dressed in like lingerie wrestler at that
Speaker 1: time quote unquote wrestling every night. It's so incestuous, like obviously, yeah, anyways,
Speaker 1: so can't wait to sell out. The first step though,
Speaker 1: before I replace you is to leave Shannon and marry
Speaker 1: someone much younger. That's the first step.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, if she lives, right, you already theoretically
Speaker 5: killed her earlier.
Speaker 2: Right Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, any listeners out there, if you're a
Speaker 1: young hot female, zero young hot female listeners on the pot.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that would be the scariest thing
Speaker 2: about this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, also, Ryan, the lifeguards at the pool, we've been
Speaker 1: talking about them. Maybe I could ask them.
Speaker 5: Nope, I say you don't approach them at all. That's
Speaker 5: my advice, sift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, okay, So where we left off, Bruce, Wayne.
Speaker 5: We have a better chance of Henry do card calling
Speaker 5: in for the show than we do that.
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it Henry or Henrid card Ooh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great call.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. They don't say his first name, right, they.
Speaker 1: Don't say his first name of this movie? Is it Bruce?
Speaker 1: Is it Bruce first name, Wayne last name? Or is
Speaker 1: it Bruce first name Swayne last name? I've never had?
Speaker 2: Okay, like like race exactly right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So where we left off, Bruce put
Speaker 1: on his old little bat ears and his little bat
Speaker 1: cave and he's batting it up and Falcone has a
Speaker 1: drug shipment. I don't know. I don't know why in movies,
Speaker 1: how like mafia bosses want to see their drug deals
Speaker 1: go down in person. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Speaker 1: But they're at the docks at night, and Falcone is
Speaker 1: there in his limo with Flass, who's a corupt police officer,
Speaker 1: and they are making sure that this massive drug deal
Speaker 1: in shipping containers goes down without a hitch. And someone
Speaker 1: throws a little bit of a wrench into that plan. Ryan,
Speaker 1: why don't you explain what happens here?
Speaker 5: So we started hearing noises. We're following the guys who
Speaker 5: are actually having the deal happen in the storage crates, and.
Speaker 2: Guys just start vanishing.
Speaker 5: You hear people shooting and then screaming and yelling and
Speaker 5: kind of clipped clipped screaming and yelling, And we decided
Speaker 5: to follow one guy who is truly freaked out and
Speaker 5: he's just walking around. He knows someone's there but can't
Speaker 5: tell who it is or what it is. And every
Speaker 5: time I know this was shown earlier in the movie,
Speaker 5: but like if someone is vanished, it is a very
Speaker 5: quick brief breeze of like a flash of a cape,
Speaker 5: part of an arm, and they're just gone or zoomed
Speaker 5: up and you hear the also the bat my god,
Speaker 5: the gun whatever it is that like shoots like the
Speaker 5: propelling rope. So we're following one guy and then he's like,
Speaker 5: where are you because he knows someone's there, and then
Speaker 5: he backs up into a hang upside down Batman.
Speaker 2: Here, and he gets got, he gets got.
Speaker 1: I love just the whispering where are you here? That's
Speaker 1: just so freaky. And you gotta imagine how terrified these
Speaker 1: men would be because Batman doesn't exist. They don't know
Speaker 1: what Batman is. And a great moment is when like
Speaker 1: their friend disappears into the darkness and they're calling his name.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. The guy's name was Jimminy, Brian, Brian, Jimminy, Jimminy.
Speaker 1: And then they noticed that one of their goons with
Speaker 1: them is just staring up and they go what and
Speaker 1: they look up and you just see this thing hanging
Speaker 1: upside down.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 5: So Nolan supposedly based this on Alien. That was his
Speaker 5: plan of like I want you to never I want
Speaker 5: you to never establish how Batman physically looks until later
Speaker 5: where like obviously you know, the soup, like I want
Speaker 5: the villains to not like because remember they had that
Speaker 5: scene when so Flask comes out of the car to
Speaker 5: go see what's going on and you see Batman pummeling
Speaker 5: the shit out of like four guys.
Speaker 2: So all you see is the.
Speaker 5: Cape flip and the arms and then like you get
Speaker 5: no established like view of what's going on. And he's like,
Speaker 5: I have no clue what the fuck that is, but
Speaker 5: I'm just getting away from it. So I like how
Speaker 5: the disorientation thing is the whole idea of this movie. Again,
Speaker 5: I think, you know we talked about earlier like no
Speaker 5: one just not interested in fights, good or bad.
Speaker 2: So I like this.
Speaker 5: This was also a huge trailer moment here, big part
Speaker 5: of the trailer huge, yes, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And Falconi is in his limo and flashes like something's
Speaker 1: going on, you better bail. So Falconi steps out for
Speaker 1: a moment to look around, gets back in his limo
Speaker 1: and his driver is unconscious. Great, and then he he
Speaker 1: hears like footsteps on the roof of the limo.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 1: Just like, what the fuck. You would definitely think something
Speaker 1: supernatural is happening, and he says, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you to himself in the limo and then hands just
Speaker 1: shatter through the sun roof, lift him out through the
Speaker 1: sun roof, and he gets in his face and says,
Speaker 1: I'm Batman.
Speaker 2: We are I love this. I put it on the
Speaker 2: I paused it.
Speaker 5: This is an hour and three minutes into this movie,
Speaker 5: and this is the first time you see him in
Speaker 5: the batsuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the movie is still this good.
Speaker 1: It's just like, yeah, fantastic and want to comment on
Speaker 1: like the nice coat.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 5: So in the beginning when Bruce was throwing when Bruce
Speaker 5: was originally leaving to go off and kind of learn,
Speaker 5: he throws his gun off the dock Africa after a
Speaker 5: thrown at the bar. When he and when he's initially
Speaker 5: confronting Falcony, he sees the guy from Snatch from Eyes
Speaker 5: White Shut and the guy's like.
Speaker 2: You should have tipped better. I love that joke. Because
Speaker 2: Bruce gets thrown out of the bar and he.
Speaker 5: Ends up giving the guy money for his coat because
Speaker 5: Bruce wants to appear less fortunate and gives the guy
Speaker 5: his coat and he's like, it's a really good coat, man,
Speaker 5: so be careful, like Bruce telling him like people are
Speaker 5: gonna come after you for the jacket because it's so nice.
Speaker 5: So then when this whole scene happens, Bruce looks up
Speaker 5: and that guy is just there and he just says
Speaker 5: a nice coat.
Speaker 2: And just floats off, and that guy just thanks thanks.
Speaker 1: He goes to, like in Pobody's Nerve Fit Corner again,
Speaker 1: the Bruce voice, the Batman voice. Sorry because you're.
Speaker 2: Talking about this, we should talk about this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Kevin Conroy, who's arguably the best Batman ever.
Speaker 1: It was Batman and Batman and the animated series, and
Speaker 1: he did a different voice for Batman and for Bruce.
Speaker 1: So Bruce was always very fake and polite and he's Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Bruce Wayne, Nice to meet you. And then Batman
Speaker 1: is like, that's enough, joker just like you know, more
Speaker 1: just aggressive and intimidating and not fake at all. And
Speaker 1: so Christian Bale does that in this movie too debatable effect.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on his voice?
Speaker 5: Conroy did it with a lot again, a lot more
Speaker 5: like probably, like the change wasn't super significant from Bruce's
Speaker 5: regular voice to the Batman voice. It wasn't crazy where
Speaker 5: like this is like I'm going from regular Christian Bale
Speaker 5: voice to a very gravelly intimiding voice, and I get
Speaker 5: the why for this, Don't get me wrong, Like I
Speaker 5: totally understand, like I have to he has to vanish
Speaker 5: into this.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 5: That's probably one of the biggest lover hates of these
Speaker 5: movies is the Bruce voice.
Speaker 2: I think quecially later too.
Speaker 1: But when he goes to there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: appearing in stairwells and yeah, he appears in a sterwell
Speaker 1: to talk to Rachel and he says, with no Batman voice,
Speaker 1: Felconey sent these guys to kill you. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: why is he not using the voice? And then a
Speaker 1: second later he says.
Speaker 6: He's like, you're rattling some cages.
Speaker 5: I actually really like this part because this shot of
Speaker 5: when the two guys are gonna follow Rachel because Crane
Speaker 5: wants her killed, yes, and because she asked too many questions.
Speaker 5: So these two guys follow her off the train, and
Speaker 5: then when she turns that one guy to pull the
Speaker 5: taser out and you see the bat cape just whip up.
Speaker 2: In the corner of the screen.
Speaker 5: You know that person was just liquefied who was coming
Speaker 5: behind her. Yeah, I just think that's a cool shot.
Speaker 2: But I like that.
Speaker 5: I like this, but yeah, it's definitely weird, but a
Speaker 5: great a great looking moment, I think, but definitely divisive choice.
Speaker 2: But it never bothered me that much, to be honest, you.
Speaker 1: Paul always did the impress the Christian Bale Batman impression.
Speaker 6: The people have got them.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's so right though, because like that line
Speaker 5: Ben just like sticks in my head for all time,
Speaker 5: Like every time I hear I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so chewy, it's so right, it's so it's yeah.
Speaker 1: I really like the moment where the second her initial
Speaker 1: impulse when she sees Batman for the first time, Rachel
Speaker 1: shoots a taser at him, and a great reaction by Rachel,
Speaker 1: like why would you hesitate? Just go for it? But
Speaker 1: then yeah, but not only does it not do anything,
Speaker 1: but Bruce doesn't even flinch when it happens. I thought
Speaker 1: that was a great moment.
Speaker 5: And we'll talk about it later. I love when this
Speaker 5: is there's a not I don't know if it's intentional.
Speaker 5: There's a call back to this in the next movie
Speaker 5: that I genuinely love to as well.
Speaker 1: And I sent Ryan a video so I was walking
Speaker 1: in Milton this morning or yesterday morning, and there was
Speaker 1: a sign outside of a building that said this building
Speaker 1: is run by Falcony Management, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: in the hell, what are the chances of this? So
Speaker 1: I sent Ryan a video of it's like me at
Speaker 1: the entrance of the building and you can see that sign,
Speaker 1: and I said.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go in here and rattle some gages.
Speaker 1: And I noticed that there was a security camera and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh, I really hope someone sees me videoing
Speaker 1: the entrance and me saying that in this.
Speaker 5: Voice, I'm sure you've seen this. It was a YouTube
Speaker 5: video of like it. It's a best of Vine Rip Vine. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there's this kid.
Speaker 5: So the Dark Knight came with a Batman mask, one
Speaker 5: of the Blu rays and it's like this child sized mask,
Speaker 5: so people wore them thinking it was really funny because
Speaker 5: it looks so small. So the kid is like holding
Speaker 5: the phone selfie and his friend is coming out of
Speaker 5: the bathroom to scare his friend, and it's just like
Speaker 5: when the friend opens the door clos Vince and it's
Speaker 5: like whoa, you'd wash your hands and it's amazing, Just
Speaker 5: like fucking kills me every time killed every time. Ah,
Speaker 5: so I the next part of this is the light
Speaker 5: in the sky and the police show up.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a little cringe. So he ties Falcony,
Speaker 1: who's unconscious, to a spotlight and it creates a bat
Speaker 1: signal in the sky because the body outline is shaped
Speaker 1: like a bat. I thought that was a little bit much.
Speaker 5: I think it's like the crow thing of like I'm
Speaker 5: gonna make a crow in fire.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna a d in fire like Daredevil. It never bought.
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, this is kind of a natural
Speaker 5: way to walk into this because he doesn't tell them
Speaker 5: to make the symbol true, but this is so lame.
Speaker 5: But it's just like the symbol happens, and they're like,
Speaker 5: holy shit, this guy got Falcny like delivered into a handbag.
Speaker 5: They had like the music the Batman theme blaring, and
Speaker 5: they just cut to that shot of Batman on the
Speaker 5: side of the building.
Speaker 2: Just standing there.
Speaker 5: I'm like, here, we fucking go, let's fucking go here.
Speaker 5: It's just it's lamely throwing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, no, you're I get it. And the
Speaker 1: next day, the next day, Alfred wakes him up and says,
Speaker 1: even for a billionaire playboy sleeping until three pm is
Speaker 1: pushing it. Rutger Howard is at work and someone comes
Speaker 1: up to him was like, hey, boss, we kind of
Speaker 1: have a little bit of a problem. So we make
Speaker 1: this microwave weapon, military grade weapon that microwaves water in
Speaker 1: the vicinity. This makes no sense because like, I don't care,
Speaker 1: I'm not even nitpicking. This isn't Pobany's nervefic corner who cares, Like,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be mad at this. But everyone would die
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of this if it creates, If all
Speaker 1: water evaporates, like our bodies are all water, everyone would
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. But anyways, Yeah, so this weapon
Speaker 1: liquif or vaporizes water supply and we were shipping it
Speaker 1: on a chip and it got robbed and it's missing,
Speaker 1: and this is really bad. Also, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: illegal that we even made it in the first place. Yes,
Speaker 1: now Bruce realizes, Okay, so nobody suspects me. I got
Speaker 1: to put on the mask of Bruce Wayne because we've
Speaker 1: talked about at length in this podcast that his secret
Speaker 1: identity isn't like he really is Batman, Like Batman is
Speaker 1: who he is, and Bruce Wayne is the mask. He
Speaker 1: pretends to be Bruce Wayne. He wakes up every day
Speaker 1: as Batman, and he gets two models, takes a Lamborghini,
Speaker 1: goes to a restaurant, gets drunk, the model starts swimming
Speaker 1: in the pool. He gets thrown out of the restaurant,
Speaker 1: and he has a response. He buys the restaurant and
Speaker 1: the hotel inside that the restaurant's inside of as a flex.
Speaker 1: And as he's like pretending to be drunk, just swam
Speaker 1: in a pool at a restaurant, a model hanging off
Speaker 1: each side of him, he runs into Rachel and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is great because this is like the only time
Speaker 1: he would care about this.
Speaker 5: I love when the waiter comes over and he's like,
Speaker 5: mister Wayne, the pools are was like decorational or something
Speaker 5: like that, and your guests do not have swimwear.
Speaker 2: And I love his responses. Well they are Europeans, like.
Speaker 5: I, let's love how he gets in the water. I
Speaker 5: just think that's so great. I think it's awesome. I
Speaker 5: think it's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then people everybody at dinner or at lunch
Speaker 1: is talking about Batman and he's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know who gars and you.
Speaker 2: Know, I am him, right, he gets two ship faced.
Speaker 5: It's me Bruce, Bruce.
Speaker 2: He gets a text from Alfred Stop Stop.
Speaker 1: I was listening to the Stone Cold Pod and I
Speaker 1: laughed so hard, but I was like, it was very
Speaker 1: easy for them to determine Joe as a cop. And
Speaker 1: then you said they found his wallet.
Speaker 5: It's insane, insane. Yeah, So he went into Rachel. I
Speaker 5: cut you off there.
Speaker 1: And Rachel's like, oh wow, Bruce is a jerk off.
Speaker 1: Now that's really disappointing. That sucks. I really liked him
Speaker 1: as a But at the same time, he's a billionaire's
Speaker 1: parents were murdered in front of him, So is it
Speaker 1: shocking that he's like an alcoholic drug addict you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 5: In the background, you can hear the two one of
Speaker 5: the two women yell from the car.
Speaker 2: Come on, Bruce, we have more hotels to buy. It's
Speaker 2: so great.
Speaker 5: I was actually curious about this because I want to
Speaker 5: know what you thought of this.
Speaker 2: This is something bit in my head for a bit.
Speaker 5: I was listening to a podcast maybe a year ago,
Speaker 5: and they were doing another Superhero I think it actually
Speaker 5: might have been the New Superman, and they were talking
Speaker 5: about like people's characterizations of a very well known character.
Speaker 5: And this person made a very good point about the
Speaker 5: Christian Bill Batman that we can probably go into deeper
Speaker 5: in later episodes, but I wanted to at least throw
Speaker 5: this to you where like it's this weird one where
Speaker 5: like the other like the Michael Keaton once thro Robert Pattinson,
Speaker 5: even Kilmer and Clooney whatever, even if Clooney counts whatever,
Speaker 5: it's truly who. Like it's like, hey, this is like
Speaker 5: the other half of who I am, and one is
Speaker 5: the true version, one.
Speaker 2: Is the mask.
Speaker 5: And these movies weirdly have done it as three, where
Speaker 5: like the Bruce version of like party Playboy, Bruce is
Speaker 5: so out there that way, and then of course Batman
Speaker 5: is so much who he is, and the real person
Speaker 5: who's at home with Alfred that like Alfred speaks to
Speaker 5: privately is this other person who is the main Bruce.
Speaker 5: And it's this weird thing of like it just seems
Speaker 5: like like the way that person brought it up, I
Speaker 5: was kind of like, that isn't a great point. It
Speaker 5: does seem like there was almost like three not just
Speaker 5: two here, I think as we get into the other movies,
Speaker 5: it will probably be more interesting to talk about, which
Speaker 5: I'm just to bring up here at least.
Speaker 1: No, that's a really good point because that kind of
Speaker 1: goes against what I just said in a in an
Speaker 1: important way. Like so the billionaire playboy Bruce is obviously
Speaker 1: completely fake and there's there's there's nothing to that. It's
Speaker 1: just a mask. It's a means to an end, and
Speaker 1: Batman is like who he wants to be and who
Speaker 1: he wants to project to everyone, but like, deep down
Speaker 1: at his core, when he's alone with Alfred, he's still Bruce,
Speaker 1: who's not It was a different Bruce than the fake
Speaker 1: billionaire playboy Bruce.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 5: It was a very interesting I wish I could remember
Speaker 5: the fucking show that was talking about it, but I
Speaker 5: was just like just a really fascinting way to look
Speaker 5: about it, because I was like, they're I think they're right,
Speaker 5: But again, are you going to more of them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So the next scene is Crane at the hospital meeting
Speaker 5: with Falconi. Falcone has been busted. He apparently tried to
Speaker 5: slit his wrists. They're saying he's insane. So Falcone, I
Speaker 5: don't think we've brought it up much. But Crane essentially
Speaker 5: is covering foul Falconi because he's working for the League
Speaker 5: of Shadows.
Speaker 1: Well well, yeah, I think that, like Crane is working
Speaker 1: for the League of Shadows and and he's just using
Speaker 1: Falconi as it means to an end, but it's just
Speaker 1: important context to to They've they've established in the movie
Speaker 1: that Crane is like a bane for the DA, which
Speaker 1: Rachel works for the DA. I don't think we mentioned
Speaker 1: that yet. And it's because whenever somebody is about to
Speaker 1: go on trial, they get diagnosed as insane by Crane,
Speaker 1: which seems really fake, like oh, obviously they're trying to
Speaker 1: get him out of it. But then when like others
Speaker 1: doctors try to verify Crane's diagn diagnosis, they're like, oh no, wait,
Speaker 1: he actually really is insane. Krane was right, and.
Speaker 6: That's so suspicious.
Speaker 1: It's like this guy at a meeting of the nineteen
Speaker 1: people had a meeting with Crane and then went completely
Speaker 1: insane and we don't know why, but anyways, continue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like this is where like Falcony's like the
Speaker 5: walls have close it in on me, you know, this crap,
Speaker 5: and he's like, I just need you to like cover
Speaker 5: for me whatever, and he's like pretty much. Falcony is hey,
Speaker 5: like I've been doing all this stuff for you or loss.
Speaker 5: I want in on this and there's no way you
Speaker 5: can do this in this town without me. And Crane
Speaker 5: is like, well, i'll tell you what his answer is
Speaker 5: going to be. It's we'll just kill you because we
Speaker 5: don't need you, which always always really kind of interesting,
Speaker 5: and especially we don't need to cut you into this
Speaker 5: because their plan is not really like a criminal organization
Speaker 5: or a financially money based success.
Speaker 2: It's just power.
Speaker 5: So this is where Crane is like, when I see
Speaker 5: my mask, it makes all the people I deal with
Speaker 5: kind of go crazy.
Speaker 2: And then he sprays.
Speaker 5: Falcon with the fear of Falcony again, with the fear
Speaker 5: talksin and.
Speaker 1: So in the comics, because for those who don't know,
Speaker 1: in the comics, Scarecrow is just he's not physically intimidating
Speaker 1: at all. He's like a gangly nerd who dresses as
Speaker 1: a scarecrow. But his superpower is he has this toxin
Speaker 1: that he sprays at people, and if you breathe it in,
Speaker 1: it's a gas. All of your worst fears physically manifest
Speaker 1: like you're perceiving them. They don't actually physically manifest like
Speaker 1: you're perceiving. It's like a bad trip. It's like somebody
Speaker 1: gives you the worst hit of acid of all time.
Speaker 1: You take a hit of acid, and you're hallucinating all
Speaker 1: of the worst shit you could possibly imagine.
Speaker 2: What do you think of the visuals when they do this.
Speaker 1: I like Scarecrow's mask, how he's talking, and like maggots
Speaker 1: crawl out of his mouth as he's talking. I think
Speaker 1: that's really cool when we get into like the Batman
Speaker 1: visual hallucination later, not a huge fan of that. When
Speaker 1: Scarecrow hallucinates Batman. Okay, what do you think?
Speaker 5: I I like the jarring nature of doing it because
Speaker 5: I thought the fear like no one els we'll get
Speaker 5: into even though he's starting with two characters, like especially
Speaker 5: with like Racial Goul and with Scarecrow, who likes Scarecrow
Speaker 5: obviously it's a chemical reason. But like Racial Gool and
Speaker 5: the comics Anemy series goes into much more of the
Speaker 5: quot un like fantasy elements of Batman, and Nolan is
Speaker 5: just kind of not his thing really, so I was like,
Speaker 5: how would Nolan? But he's more into psychological so like,
Speaker 5: I like how like Nolan's way of doing it. It's
Speaker 5: just kind of like I'm just gonna jar you like
Speaker 5: with this kind of like aggressive like super loud, not
Speaker 5: super loud at the same time visuals and like I
Speaker 5: do like the visual of like the bat crawling out
Speaker 5: of his mouth while he's talking to somebody is really cool.
Speaker 2: So I like this. I thought that worked really well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he basically makes Falcone actually go insane.
Speaker 1: Then Bruce appears in the stairwell with Jim Gordon and
Speaker 1: he's he says a storm is coming, and he actually
Speaker 1: manages to disappear for real this time mid sentence, as
Speaker 1: we're used to in the comics, and Jim turns and
Speaker 1: he's gone, but he mentions, I don't think you know.
Speaker 1: Bruce is like, we need to get or sorry. Batman's like,
Speaker 1: we need to get information. Sorry, we need to get
Speaker 1: information from Flass, and Jim Gordon says, like Flass will
Speaker 1: never talk, he'll talk to me.
Speaker 2: I what do you think of the line he's like
Speaker 2: when Batman asked, like what do you think of me?
Speaker 5: Or whatever, and he's like, I think you're here to help.
Speaker 5: I really like that little moment they do that. This
Speaker 5: I was when I was finishing the notes for this.
Speaker 5: This next thirty minutes absolutely fucking rules.
Speaker 2: In this movie.
Speaker 5: This, this next sequence of events of how things go down,
Speaker 5: like starting with like just Batman sitting on someone's front
Speaker 5: porch in a neighborhood talking to Gordon. This next interrogation scene,
Speaker 5: all this stuff is just everything you want from this.
Speaker 5: This is like spawning Violator to me, this is like
Speaker 5: spond person Violator.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not quite as good, but yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a very famous line in this movie. He
Speaker 1: go and interrogates Flass, He hangs him upside down by
Speaker 1: the leg and drops him off of a building. Flass
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna die, and at the last second he
Speaker 1: carries him back up and does it again, and Flas says,
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I swear to God. I don't know,
Speaker 1: And that man says, swear to me.
Speaker 5: Also Flask being a complete piece of ship to that
Speaker 5: like flaffel, guy, Oh, I love that taking the money
Speaker 5: out of the cup. My kids, I got kids defeat
Speaker 5: they don't like Falaffel, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Unreal, just just using that's like a flax that the
Speaker 1: Sopranos characters do frequently, just like when what is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? Ginny Sacks brother works at like the sunglasses store,
Speaker 1: and Tony just goes in to chat with him about
Speaker 1: something and just steals a bunch of sunglasses and he
Speaker 1: just walks out and he's like, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: do about it?
Speaker 2: Like, what's gonna happen here?
Speaker 5: So the next moment is the d a Finch is
Speaker 5: killed by the Krupp Cops. A little moment there, he's
Speaker 5: he's in currently I think Rachel's boss. Yes, this shot,
Speaker 5: this next part is when Batman's in the narrows and
Speaker 5: he's just on the side of this building with like
Speaker 5: all like the curt with like the what do they
Speaker 5: call it, the.
Speaker 2: Closed lines across the buildings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's raining listening in just looks absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: I was like this shit.
Speaker 1: I was like, this man, this is a beautiful looking movie,
Speaker 1: and I just want to throw in really quickly. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: from Game of Thrones is the actor's name, Jack Leeson.
Speaker 1: He is a little kid and when this movie was made,
Speaker 1: he is the there's like a little boy who sees
Speaker 1: Batman in an alley and says like it's you, isn't it,
Speaker 1: And and Batman just sort of like nods at him,
Speaker 1: and he says, no one's gonna believe I saw you,
Speaker 1: and that literally takes a place like a piece of
Speaker 1: gear off of his utility belt and just gives it
Speaker 1: to him, which I'm like, that's really short sighted. But
Speaker 1: that's Josh Free from Game of Throne. So I had
Speaker 1: to I had to throw that at Wow. Yep, but
Speaker 1: I can continue.
Speaker 5: So Batman's listening in a conversation and it's he goes.
Speaker 5: He breaks into one of the apartments in this building
Speaker 5: who is selling the drugs that are inside the Rabbits
Speaker 5: and Teddy Bears, and Crane is in there with a
Speaker 5: bunch of Falcone skies and Batman doing his classic from
Speaker 5: the Doc scene just ghosting people. Uh, he gets blasted
Speaker 5: by Crane. Clan's like, Crane, I liked, I do like
Speaker 5: this joke. You look like a guy who takes himself
Speaker 5: a little bit too seriously, even though Crane is also
Speaker 5: wearing a mask, and he's like, uh, I just think
Speaker 5: you need to lighten up.
Speaker 2: Ah lights him on fire, Batman falls out.
Speaker 1: I wrote it. So Batman's and Golf and flames, I
Speaker 1: wrote a note, maybe you're second guessing the choice to
Speaker 1: leave your chin and mouth completely exposed.
Speaker 5: I similar to when he eats shit after approaching Gordon
Speaker 5: for the first time, and like on those guardrails. I
Speaker 5: really liked how they did this with Batman in the suit,
Speaker 5: like he is not perfect yet.
Speaker 2: It's not a it's a whip if you will.
Speaker 5: I really like this where he gets actually fucked up
Speaker 5: by somebody because he realizes, like it's in a weird way,
Speaker 5: Like I felt like this scene especially like again like retrospect,
Speaker 5: because we've seen the three movies now for a long time.
Speaker 2: This is the first aspect of escalation that they talk
Speaker 2: about in these next few movies.
Speaker 5: We're like, oh, there's someone as insane as me who
Speaker 5: is wearing a costume and has truly like been out
Speaker 5: here for a while doing this, Like I need to
Speaker 5: know what up against?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of the question of Batman is
Speaker 1: like did he cause this? Did he call? Because Batman
Speaker 1: started and then the Joker came, and then the Mad
Speaker 1: Hatter came, and Scarecrow came, and all these fucking people came,
Speaker 1: and it's like, did I cause this? By you know,
Speaker 1: is this is this? Every action has an equal and
Speaker 1: opposite react. Is that what is going on here? But
Speaker 1: uh so Batman Bruce Wayne is like the mental mentally
Speaker 1: the most tough character in all of comics, and he
Speaker 1: knows in this moment he was just lit on fire
Speaker 1: and exposed to fear talks, and he knows, I just
Speaker 1: need to get out of the crowd. I just need
Speaker 1: to get to high ground and get out of the crowd.
Speaker 1: So he manages to like mentally muscle through getting using
Speaker 1: the grappling hook to like get out of here, and
Speaker 1: then he calls Alfred, and it shows Alfred like white
Speaker 1: knuckling it, trying to go pick him up because Alfred
Speaker 1: is basically this is basically his son is calling him
Speaker 1: like Alfred, I was just lit on fire and I'm
Speaker 1: dying on a rooftop.
Speaker 5: And then so the panic of this scene is so
Speaker 5: well done with Alfred so good, Like how well they
Speaker 5: do that?
Speaker 1: Oh yep, this is this is a great line. So
Speaker 1: he wakes up in bed at wayne manor and he says,
Speaker 1: how long was I out? And Alfred says two days?
Speaker 1: It's your bad, It's a day, Like we just.
Speaker 2: Really, what the fuck is in this toxin. You were
Speaker 2: out cold for two days.
Speaker 5: I mean, I know they had a what's it called
Speaker 5: a antidote for it, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So Alfred called Lucius because Lucius is a scientist.
Speaker 1: Lucius came over, so Lucius fully knows he's batman now
Speaker 1: and came up with an antidote for the fear talks.
Speaker 2: And I love, I Love Bales are.
Speaker 5: Well, Like Lucius is there and he looks mad like
Speaker 5: that Alfred told him.
Speaker 2: And Alfred's like, what the fuck did you want me
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 5: Like you, like again the whole escalation thing, like you
Speaker 5: you went to a level that I don't know how
Speaker 5: to handle, like you fucking kilp against a guy who
Speaker 5: you know, just fucking destroyed you, Like I needed to
Speaker 5: get help here. This has one of my favorite lines
Speaker 5: in this entire movie, and it makes no sense.
Speaker 2: I think about this again in my car all the time.
Speaker 5: Is Lucius like, you know, take care of this stuff,
Speaker 5: like do whatever, and like walks away and then he's
Speaker 5: like okay, and then he's like when Lucius lee's and
Speaker 5: just like Alfred, always a pleasure, and they just it's
Speaker 5: a bizarre like three second pause and Michael Kane just
Speaker 5: goes Lucius. It's been in my head forever. I don't
Speaker 5: know why it's I think about it all the time.
Speaker 1: Well, because you have to. You have to think that, like,
Speaker 1: who knows what Thomas Wayne was really up to and
Speaker 1: they so Lucius and Alfred must have some sort of relationship.
Speaker 2: They definitely did. Yeah, they must have in some way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's why al Lucius, I think, is very
Speaker 1: like wink wink, nod nod with you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do with Bruce. So uh oh.
Speaker 1: I wanted to point out the next still can't move
Speaker 1: Pobody's nerve foot corner. They fixed this in the in
Speaker 1: the next movie, but the Michael Keaton Batman, which looked great, uh,
Speaker 1: he couldn't move his neck because of the way that
Speaker 1: the cowl was designed and it just kind of looks
Speaker 1: awkward and stupid. If I tell you that and then
Speaker 1: you were to go watch the Batman movies with Michael Keaton,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, yeah, you can't move his neck.
Speaker 1: It's just really kind of weird looking. And same problem
Speaker 1: in this movie. The neck is just I don't know
Speaker 1: what the problem is, but they fix it in the
Speaker 1: Dark Night.
Speaker 5: I personally prefer of these three movies this Batsuit.
Speaker 2: I think this one looks the best to.
Speaker 1: Me because of the neck is automatically disqualified. But other
Speaker 1: than the neck, sure.
Speaker 5: As two thick necked men. You should never say that again.
Speaker 5: But the thin neck is just too weird. It looks
Speaker 5: too weird. The head looks too wobbly to me.
Speaker 1: This is like when he gets into the assault mode
Speaker 1: and like bends over and is looking up laying down
Speaker 1: in the Batmobile in this movie, It's like, no, this, no,
Speaker 1: it looks so stupid.
Speaker 5: I got a lot of questions about the mechanics and
Speaker 5: the batmobile for a different character later. But I understand
Speaker 5: what you're saying, but I like this to I also
Speaker 5: like this cape more.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they changed the cape.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but I just like the way
Speaker 5: they did.
Speaker 2: So this is when.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Rachel, Rachel comes to the mansion and it's like, Bruce,
Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a present. Clearly you're very hungover,
Speaker 1: and Bruce was like no, no, no. I was lit
Speaker 1: on fire and explosive fear toxing because of Batman now
Speaker 1: and I was unconscious for two days I'm not hungover.
Speaker 1: I didn't bang those two models. I'm secretly in love
Speaker 1: with you. Thank you for my president, but.
Speaker 2: Sorry, what believe that? That's not right? It's like.
Speaker 1: But he opens the President and it's we forgot to
Speaker 1: mention this. But the arrowhead like that's why he fell
Speaker 1: down the cave or something when he was a kid.
Speaker 1: He was looking for the astrod.
Speaker 2: It was on their property. And it's just say finers
Speaker 2: keepers in the tag.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so uh yeah what am I thinking of?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I liked how it portrays. There's multiple ways
Speaker 1: center the back cave. But one of the ways is
Speaker 1: if you play like three random off keynotes on the piano,
Speaker 1: it opens up a bookshelf.
Speaker 2: Love that what a like?
Speaker 5: Literally I think a sixties TV show reference? Yes, and
Speaker 5: what a flex to do it like this do so subtly?
Speaker 2: So great?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Next, seeing Lucius is chilling at work and Rutger Howard
Speaker 1: shows up and Lucius is like, wow, you run the company.
Speaker 1: What do you what you could you possibly be doing here?
Speaker 1: And Rucker Harr's like, hey, I need you to I
Speaker 1: need to report on this, like giant microwave illegal weapon
Speaker 1: we developed? And uh, I don't really know a lot
Speaker 1: about it, and like it's very important I get it
Speaker 1: right away. And then Lucius says, why did it go
Speaker 1: missing or something? And then Rucker Harris says, you're fired.
Speaker 5: It's just the way he words it is so not
Speaker 5: subtle at all. I need all of this as soon
Speaker 5: as possible, and like, of course something has to go
Speaker 5: wrong with it, and the famous line is, didn't you
Speaker 5: get the memo?
Speaker 1: Didn't you get the memo?
Speaker 2: You're fired?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Killian Murphy is a great actor and I love him.
Speaker 1: He's so creepy in this in a great way, just
Speaker 1: like very not creepy, like serial killer creepy. But just
Speaker 1: if you had a cup of coffee with him, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, this man is just very off putting.
Speaker 5: He's well, he's like responses to her questions are just
Speaker 5: very like I respect the power of the mind. And
Speaker 5: then like I have nothing to add to my report,
Speaker 5: Like why else would you ask me the question this question? Yes,
Speaker 5: his response here is pretty interesting. When Rachel was after
Speaker 5: him and he's like, okay, like she's getting too close,
Speaker 5: like she's gonna figure this out.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take care of this now.
Speaker 5: So he just like walks over and shows like, hey,
Speaker 5: we're off poisonous city's water.
Speaker 1: Well, this will exchange. So Rachel is like, no, you're
Speaker 1: full of shit. I don't trust you. And he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, come to the basement with me.
Speaker 1: And they're in this beautiful, like marbled hallway, much like
Speaker 1: the end of Stone Cold, and they go down to
Speaker 1: this disgusting basement and as soon as the door is open,
Speaker 1: I'm like run and he says, he says, I think
Speaker 1: there's some thing down this hallway you should see. And
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, okay, all right, what would you like
Speaker 1: to show me?
Speaker 2: Rachel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rachel, no, what are you doing? And then he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're posing the city's water supply. She tries to run,
Speaker 1: she gets gas with fear of toxin and this this
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Popany's a nerfect corner, like a little cringey,
Speaker 1: but it worked for me. I liked it all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, like the there's a bunch of just goons.
Speaker 1: So she walks into the room and there's a hundred
Speaker 1: goons dumping water into a water may dumping poison into
Speaker 1: a water man. It's like, uh oh, but you hear
Speaker 1: some noises and then Crane says he's here, and he
Speaker 1: seems excited, and somebody says who's here, and the way
Speaker 1: he says that, he goes the Batman.
Speaker 5: This was another trailer moment that was huge for this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 5: another huge one.
Speaker 1: Now, but now i'd like to I'm gonna play clip.
Speaker 1: Is that that actually Paul Dano tested for the Scarecrow?
Speaker 1: And this is a clip. Oh no, here, who's here?
Speaker 2: That man?
Speaker 5: Hey, Scarecrow, it really shouldn't take the talks in yourself.
Speaker 5: We need you to do part of this with us.
Speaker 5: I I I don't know, I get again, like the
Speaker 5: movie just ramps it up him here like from the
Speaker 5: other part.
Speaker 2: Like I like this.
Speaker 5: I know it's very like convenient, but like I think
Speaker 5: before this is when Bruce. Oh yeah, when Bruce is
Speaker 5: leaving and Alfred's like, your party is starting, you have
Speaker 5: guests arriving.
Speaker 2: I love Bruce's lines. Tell them not joke.
Speaker 5: You know that's gonna tell him three hundred people that's
Speaker 5: entirely for hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold up three hundred people for hours from my
Speaker 1: birthday party. Because he's having like going through the motions
Speaker 1: of Bruce wane birth birthday party. But Batman stuff comes
Speaker 1: up and look go ahead.
Speaker 2: No got you off. Go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, so Crane says, call the cops, and they're like,
Speaker 1: call the cops. We're poisoning the city's water supply, and
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, but it's we already did it, and
Speaker 1: they just want they'll they'll they'll be so distracted by
Speaker 1: Batman it'll be a bigger problem for him if like
Speaker 1: nine hundred cops show up, which is a point, yeah,
Speaker 1: very true. And then Batman says, like corners, Crane says.
Speaker 6: Tastey your own medicine, and.
Speaker 1: Then sprays him with the fear toxin. And then this
Speaker 1: is the part that I think is a little cringe,
Speaker 1: where like really yeah, like so you see Crane's perspective
Speaker 1: of Batman, and Batman has turned into like an entirely
Speaker 1: black demon whose mouths and eyes are bleeding goo.
Speaker 2: I actually really like this. I always thought this is
Speaker 2: a great thing.
Speaker 5: I was like, because it's like it's almost like the
Speaker 5: mask melted into his face. It's just like the way
Speaker 5: it looks like it's just a human face with the
Speaker 5: full mask on.
Speaker 2: I always like this, Yeah, yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: A great line. So flasks to a bunch of cops like,
Speaker 1: Batman's in there, what are you all waiting for? And
Speaker 1: one of the cops says, we're waiting for the SWAT team.
Speaker 1: They're on their way, but if you want to go in,
Speaker 1: I'll be right behind you. And then Flask just goes
Speaker 1: h you know, SWAT's on their way. But but Gordon,
Speaker 1: because he's not afraid of Batman, because he knows Batman's
Speaker 1: a good guy, he just goes in the building. And
Speaker 1: and Batman's like, Rachel has been poisoned with fear talks
Speaker 1: and I need you to bring her around to the
Speaker 1: back of the building, but don't worry, like, I'll meet
Speaker 1: you there, and and then there's this like horrifying noise
Speaker 1: and people start looking around in the sky and then
Speaker 1: Gordon says, Gordon says.
Speaker 6: What what?
Speaker 1: What is that noise? And then Batman says.
Speaker 6: I called for backup.
Speaker 1: And this is this is actually a scene from So
Speaker 1: this whole movie is very loosely based on a very
Speaker 1: famous comic called Batman Year one, and this is a
Speaker 1: scene from Batman Year one. So why don't you describe
Speaker 1: what happens?
Speaker 5: So we cut back to Flass and the police and
Speaker 5: swat team outside and you see a.
Speaker 2: What are they a flood? What do they call it?
Speaker 5: Of bats just flying in, thousands of bats, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know the term, but like a swarm of thousands of.
Speaker 5: Bats and they fly in because he has this bat
Speaker 5: signal and fly in and kind of prevent, you know,
Speaker 5: become cover for Batman as he jumps down the several
Speaker 5: flights of stairs and it's just an incredibly wonderful image
Speaker 5: and just it's just sick and I fucking love. They
Speaker 5: did the same thing in The Batman in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: two of just him running down the hallways of Arkham.
Speaker 5: You're like, this is what I came here for. This
Speaker 5: is exactly what I came here to see. It's just
Speaker 5: like it's so great.
Speaker 1: That in Your One was written by Frank Miller in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, but it's he uses this He develops
Speaker 1: this like sonic noise device in his boot, and if
Speaker 1: he releases this sound, all of the bats in the
Speaker 1: cave are triggered to like go to the sound. So
Speaker 1: that's how thousands of bats just like show up in
Speaker 1: this building. And then Gordon's able to escape with Rachel
Speaker 1: in his arms, Batman's able to escape. It's just a
Speaker 1: really cool moment and it looks amazing, and you know,
Speaker 1: Nolan is very anti CGI, but like, obviously you can't
Speaker 1: control thousands of bats, Not even Christopher Nolan can do that.
Speaker 1: So it looks great. But he Jim says, when he
Speaker 1: pulls Rachel out into the alley, he says, I'll go
Speaker 1: get my car, and Batman.
Speaker 6: Says, no need, I brought mine.
Speaker 1: And when he starts to lead, he starts to flee
Speaker 1: in the batmobile. All these cops call in, like, we
Speaker 1: need backup, we need helicopters. He's fleeing in a vehicle,
Speaker 1: and they say what kind of vehicle. One of the
Speaker 1: cops goes, it's a black tank.
Speaker 2: Is we'll have to get to this? Is he the
Speaker 2: guy in three?
Speaker 5: I know, okay, we'll get to that and maybe we'll
Speaker 5: get we'll figure it out in three.
Speaker 1: I think, I like, are you talking about the guy
Speaker 1: in three on the hockey team that ships his pants?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: You got me. For a minute, I was like, what
Speaker 2: when did this happen?
Speaker 5: Practice the gear in his bag and he sees the
Speaker 5: cargo by and he's defecates immediately.
Speaker 8: Sure, so this becomes the chase of the Tumbler with
Speaker 8: the police across the buildings. Speaking of you mentioned a
Speaker 8: little bit before the No c g I this was
Speaker 8: done with models and miniatures. It looks fucking awesome. The
Speaker 8: music on the scene is just going fucking crazy.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Just how again he's driving this giant black tech.
Speaker 5: How they do this whole thing like he just turns
Speaker 5: the headlights off and they can't see him, is so great.
Speaker 2: How he just drive through the barriers in the road.
Speaker 5: Just how he evaded the police without hurting the police
Speaker 5: in a serious way or in somewhat of a serious.
Speaker 2: Way, I think, is so great.
Speaker 5: And anyways, all the reactions of the cops in these
Speaker 5: scenes and also the helicopters following them, the.
Speaker 2: Scene is a total blast.
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, and the fact that you said the
Speaker 1: Batmobile wasn't even gonna be in the movie and the
Speaker 1: scene is this fun Like, it's.
Speaker 5: Great, I'd say, honestly, especially after this first one, not
Speaker 5: until Dark Knight came out, it had to be one
Speaker 5: of the most memorable things in the movie. Is the Batmobile. This,
Speaker 5: like the Tumbler's design was so different to the sound.
Speaker 5: Like I said, the sound, but by the way, we
Speaker 5: should just even go with this.
Speaker 2: The sound of.
Speaker 5: Everything in this movie, like all of his equipment, his gear,
Speaker 5: the beeping of like the bat actual like the bat
Speaker 5: whatever it is, the bat's signal there, everything he has
Speaker 5: is just such a great sound. But like, I love
Speaker 5: that the design aesthetic of the sound of the Tumbler
Speaker 5: is just that. In the documentary, Nolan says the point
Speaker 5: of the sound of the Tumbler was that it never crescendos.
Speaker 2: It always keeps going.
Speaker 5: Even if the car isn't going quicker, it just always
Speaker 5: gets quicker and quicker and louder and louder.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point to make it like relentless. I
Speaker 2: think it is so cool.
Speaker 5: So in the in the Batmobile, Rachel is flailing and
Speaker 5: this has another very classic.
Speaker 2: Line from this movie.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say classic, but a very made fun of
Speaker 5: line from this movie is when he's screaming Rachel in
Speaker 5: the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid. I don't really like
Speaker 1: that moment.
Speaker 5: But also just love that he outruns the cops, jumps
Speaker 5: into the waterfall where the Batmobile is.
Speaker 2: He's able to get her.
Speaker 5: This is one of the few times you kind of
Speaker 5: see him fly when he's in the back cave and
Speaker 5: he flies like the little area where she is.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Yes. Also, so, like I said, the Scarecrow fear talx
Speaker 1: and is like the worst acid trip you could ever imagine.
Speaker 1: You just are having the most horrible trip of all time.
Speaker 1: So picture you're having the worst trip of all time.
Speaker 1: You're with a bat creature and you're in a car chase.
Speaker 1: That's gotta be pretty pretty bad. Like if I had
Speaker 1: an edible in that situation, I'd be having nightmares.
Speaker 5: I think she should have seen the killing and Murphy
Speaker 5: vision of Batman. That would have been absolutely horrifying, with
Speaker 5: him bleeding out of his eyes.
Speaker 1: And head's gonna be fine, kiss me all right, Jim says,
Speaker 1: I gotta get me one of those about the car
Speaker 1: so uh, and they're talking about like so I think
Speaker 1: Jim is talking to another cop and he says, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Like how do we stop this water supply taint?
Speaker 1: And they said they've been at this for weeks, like
Speaker 1: all of Gotham's water is already laced with this stuff,
Speaker 1: like all the water we've been drinking for days.
Speaker 5: And the guy makes an incredibly good assumption, which is
Speaker 5: what he's like, Why wouldn't this it that people?
Speaker 2: Yet? I don't know it might be need to be
Speaker 2: intake by the lungs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was quite a leap. But Rachel, Rachel's well,
Speaker 1: not to not to stereotype, but I believe he is
Speaker 1: the correct race for the League of Shadows. And really, oh,
Speaker 1: Rachel's in the cave, and Batman explains.
Speaker 6: Crane was just a pawn. We need to be ready.
Speaker 2: Uh, Alfred should do this the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: By the way, there were all three. You need to
Speaker 2: do this. I'm not kidding, I'm not I'm not being sarcastic.
Speaker 2: You need to do it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I will, I will. Alfred says, you're getting lost
Speaker 1: in this monster of yours. To reference Nenetzschee again, your
Speaker 1: father never needed to prove himself to anyone, including himself.
Speaker 1: You have a name to maintain, and he says, I
Speaker 1: don't care about my name, and Alfred says, it's your
Speaker 1: father's name.
Speaker 2: It's all this left to them. Don't destroy it. It's
Speaker 2: really nice.
Speaker 1: Don't destroy it. Don't destroy it. Love right, And Bruce
Speaker 1: now goes to his fake birthday party that three hundred
Speaker 1: people have been waiting for like five hours, and he like,
Speaker 1: so you tell the story about the old white lady
Speaker 1: introducing you know who.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, Bruce, I want you to meet this person.
Speaker 5: And it's like, I like to say, it's a mister
Speaker 5: raz al Ghoul, and I like how Like Bruce's face
Speaker 5: is like, how the fuck does.
Speaker 2: She know this name? I think it's just so great.
Speaker 1: He starts to beat her up.
Speaker 2: Oh do you know him? He does the voice of
Speaker 2: without the costume.
Speaker 1: On, So you think it's Ken Wantona be like because
Speaker 1: because the thing in the comics that you need to
Speaker 1: understand is ros al Ghul or rachelle Ghoul is immortal,
Speaker 1: not actually immortal. Like, but there's this there's this magical
Speaker 1: sort of thing called the Lazarus Pit. So Race can
Speaker 1: continue to age and then or get injured, you know,
Speaker 1: gravely injured, and then go on the Lazarus Pit and
Speaker 1: he's fine and he's restored to a youthful form. So
Speaker 1: when Ken Wantanabi shows up as Race, you're like, or
Speaker 1: rat Race being thrown off here, you're you you think, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like the whole Lazarus Pit thing. But then he
Speaker 1: turns around. It's not Ken Wantonaby, it's some dufist. Like
Speaker 1: the way that they cast this guy for this one
Speaker 1: scene was perfect because he looks so stupid and it's like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 5: And then what were him and her talking about before?
Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 5: And she looks do they have any of those scalps
Speaker 5: wrapped wrapped in bacon?
Speaker 2: No? But Gotham will die. It's just like you.
Speaker 5: Just can't get off the topic and do Card's like, wait, wait,
Speaker 5: hold up.
Speaker 1: Wait, oh, She's like, oh yeah, the people in the Narrows,
Speaker 1: I would love if they all died, especially the black ones,
Speaker 1: and he's like that's the plan, yes, yes, everyone, Well
Speaker 1: not me. So then you hear Liam Neeson's voice is
Speaker 1: ros al Ghoul Immortal, and Bruce is like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: This entire time, Liam Neeson was rossl Goul.
Speaker 2: I thought that beard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they's the same beard. Liam Neeson is due Card
Speaker 1: is ros al Gould. It's all been upfront, and Bruce says,
Speaker 1: I saved your life, and Duke Card says, I warned
Speaker 1: you about compassion. Bruce says, let these people at the
Speaker 1: party go and Uh, Duke Card says, I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of fine, I'll let them all go, but it's
Speaker 1: pointless because they're all gonna die. We're all gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna do a terrorist attack that's gonna kill everyone. So like,
Speaker 1: if you want me to spare them now, fine.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 1: And then immediately so that he's like, you gotta figure
Speaker 1: out a way to get them out of here, Bruce.
Speaker 1: Then and immediately Bruce goes into a drunk asshole mode. Amazing.
Speaker 2: We have to we have to give.
Speaker 5: Race credit for this line when Bruce lee, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get them out of here.
Speaker 2: I love that he just.
Speaker 5: Goes you are welcome to explain this situation to them.
Speaker 5: Imagine how long that would take? All Right, So, like
Speaker 5: a few years back, I laughed like I was mad
Speaker 5: at with my parents, Like I would just I would
Speaker 5: just die laughing at that.
Speaker 1: Would you guys know they died right like in cram
Speaker 1: Alley Joe.
Speaker 2: Chill, Yeah, the whole thing happened.
Speaker 5: It really fucked me up, and like I was the
Speaker 5: wait the way, the way, the Way, Race just says
Speaker 5: that I always thought it was really funny because it
Speaker 5: was like, this is so elaborate.
Speaker 2: No one will ever believe you. I became a ninja.
Speaker 1: So so Bruce's drunk asshole speech I fucking loved and
Speaker 1: I was too lazy hilarious. I was too lazy to
Speaker 1: write it down, so I recorded it yesterday and forgive
Speaker 1: there's like an air conditioner background in this recording, but
Speaker 1: forgive me for that. But here we go.
Speaker 9: I really enjoyed Bruce's speech from recording it as a
Speaker 9: voice note to play in the pod. Everyone, everybody clink clink, clean, clink.
Speaker 2: On his glass.
Speaker 9: I uh, well, thank you all for coming here tonight
Speaker 9: and drinking all my booze. Not really, there's a thing
Speaker 9: about being a way in that you're never short of
Speaker 9: a few free loaders like yourselves to fill up your
Speaker 9: mansion with. So here's to you people, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm not finished.
Speaker 9: Tell you phonies, oh you two faced friends. You seek
Speaker 9: a fantic suck ups.
Speaker 1: Smile through your teeth at me.
Speaker 7: Please leave me in peace, Please go stop some, please
Speaker 7: leave the parties over.
Speaker 2: Get out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save this and give the same speech at
Speaker 1: like a future birthday party of mine.
Speaker 5: I was really ready for a Brian Setzer line to
Speaker 5: come out there.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 1: Oh what a missed opportunity. What an idiot I am.
Speaker 5: I can't believe what wasn't playing in the back. And
Speaker 5: I was prosed like a version of it wasn't playing
Speaker 5: in the background at the party on repeat.
Speaker 1: Because my party, it would be.
Speaker 5: That's true, That's very true. So at this point, hey,
Speaker 5: you go, No.
Speaker 2: I was jumping high. Actually I shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: Well, du Card says Crane thought this was for money.
Speaker 1: He thought we're gonna hold the city for ransom. But
Speaker 1: really the only reason we're doing this is we're gonna
Speaker 1: watch Gotham die. We're gonna watch Gotham tear itself apart, crime, despair.
Speaker 1: This is not how men are supposed to live, and
Speaker 1: he explains the League of Shadows has always existed. We
Speaker 1: sacked Rome, we loaded ships with plague rats. Every time
Speaker 1: a civilization peaked, they would thanos it. Basically, they would
Speaker 1: snap their fingers and eliminate half the population, which is
Speaker 1: what Thanos does. And he says no one can save Gotham.
Speaker 1: When a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is
Speaker 1: inevitable and natural. Your parents were misguided idealists like your father,
Speaker 1: you lacked the courage to do what is necessary. They
Speaker 1: were gunned down by the very people they were trying
Speaker 1: to help. Yeah, so what were you going to say? Ryan?
Speaker 5: It was the next scene, so it was still with
Speaker 5: this because like, this is they while this happens the.
Speaker 2: I think it was who breaks out? It is a breakout?
Speaker 1: Oh in arkhamaz Zaz breaks out of Arkham.
Speaker 2: What a great shot. By the way, coming out from
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh, oh, this is this is not good
Speaker 5: at all, and they cut to Flass and Gordon and
Speaker 5: Flash just says this is a line in this movie
Speaker 5: bad News. All the serial killers in like rapists are free.
Speaker 2: I was just like really like really like, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: So this is probably a David Escoria move. But there's
Speaker 1: a there's a small scale batman villain named Zaz who's
Speaker 1: like not really super famous, but he's essentially like a
Speaker 1: rapist serial killer, and he covers himself in scars intentionally.
Speaker 1: So this guy comes out of prison and he's covered
Speaker 1: in scars and he just looks creepy as hell, and
Speaker 1: all the nerds in the audience are like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: It's as oh my god.
Speaker 5: They just do it so like again, like so well
Speaker 5: with like him, like walking out from behind the door,
Speaker 5: You're like, oh no, not good.
Speaker 1: And and Bruce gets trapped under like a flaming log
Speaker 1: because at this point the League of Shadows has set
Speaker 1: his mansion on fire. And then like, dude, there, ye,
Speaker 1: du Card is just like he did it there. It's
Speaker 1: a great point, Duke Card. He's still a human being.
Speaker 1: So he sees Bruce underneath the log and he decides,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill Bruce because he did save
Speaker 1: my life. I was falling off of a cliff and
Speaker 1: he saved my life. So he leaves Bruce to die.
Speaker 1: And he says, we're even because he didn't like actively
Speaker 1: kill Bruce. Yes, And Alfred Kao is a guy in
Speaker 1: the League of Shadows with a golf club, and I went, like,
Speaker 1: love it, Alfred, and he saves Bruce's life. I insurance
Speaker 1: corner boy. Wow, Uh so Wayne manor to rebuild as
Speaker 1: is would be like two hundred million dollars or more.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, Bruce is a drunken, famous playboy billionaire.
Speaker 1: I would say it's got to be self insured. I
Speaker 1: don't think he can get I could be wrong. It
Speaker 1: could be like Lloyd's of London or something. You always
Speaker 1: hear Lloyds of London stories that like David Beckham insured
Speaker 1: his foot with Lloyds of London or something. But it
Speaker 1: could be something like that. But I bet he's self ensuring,
Speaker 1: Wayne Manner, because who what insurance company? Would no matter
Speaker 1: what premium we charge, if we charged him a fifty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year premium, we would not make our
Speaker 1: money back based on what is going on in this
Speaker 1: man's life.
Speaker 5: So what would you do to hear the phone call
Speaker 5: recording of like the first report of that loss?
Speaker 2: Uh Hi, this is Bruce Wayne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to I would like to, Oh sorry, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I'd like to report a fire. Well, what happened?
Speaker 2: So I was tell the news.
Speaker 1: Was having a party. I got drunk. I told everybody
Speaker 1: get the fuck out, and then I blacked out. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 5: I think it was part of that fear talks something
Speaker 5: that happened. I think I got high from that, really
Speaker 5: high from that.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, a nice drive, but we're canceling your policy.
Speaker 1: Uh so, Bruce says.
Speaker 2: Bruce says.
Speaker 1: Bruce says, like all the insurance adjusters are found the
Speaker 1: next day, like hanging upside down from lampposts in the
Speaker 1: parking lot of their office.
Speaker 5: Hey, the claim is just cut into one of their chests.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to save Gotham, Alfred, and I failed.
Speaker 1: And Alfred says, why do we fal set so we
Speaker 1: can learn to pick ourselves back up? And then Bruce says, Alfred,
Speaker 1: you still haven't given up on me? And Alfred tearfully says, never.
Speaker 5: I've lost that whole line to it. The Wayne legacy
Speaker 5: is more than bricks and boards, sir, is so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's Thomas Wayne instilled this mentality into
Speaker 1: a man's got to have a code, as I always
Speaker 1: talk about, And Thomas Wayne's legacy is that code. It's
Speaker 1: not his money or his mansion or his company. I
Speaker 1: think that I think this is intentional. Maybe I'm overstepping,
Speaker 1: but do you think that the so the League of
Speaker 1: Shadows all put on gas masks to protect themselves from
Speaker 1: the toxin? They look very by to me? Do you
Speaker 1: think it's potentially bainy.
Speaker 2: That that's a great call.
Speaker 5: I'd never thought of it that way. I mean, because
Speaker 5: he's part of it. He was a discarded.
Speaker 2: Member of the group in a weird way. Yes, I
Speaker 2: guess maybe not ill when we rewatch it.
Speaker 5: But that's a great call out. I never thought of
Speaker 5: it that way. You Know what's funny is I always
Speaker 5: think of the end of the first bat the eighty
Speaker 5: nine Batman, where like the gas is going out of
Speaker 5: the Joker balloons and everyone has to wear the masks,
Speaker 5: because weirdly, these movies are very different. They have a
Speaker 5: lot of very much similar scenes to a lot of
Speaker 5: the older Batman movies and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I always thought of that. But that's a great
Speaker 2: call out to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So basically, the fear toxin has overtaken Gotham. They're
Speaker 1: all having LSD bad trips where they think everyone is
Speaker 1: a monster. There's a lot of biting they show the
Speaker 1: crowd at one.
Speaker 2: Point they're all like this like the zombie Apocalypse movie.
Speaker 2: I forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, the fucking Great Great A couple of
Speaker 1: great moments in this. I sound like the Alec Baldman
Speaker 1: Tony Bennett is great. It's a great, great scene, great
Speaker 1: great movie. But Scarecrow is on a horse, which is
Speaker 1: kind of cool, and the horse is breathing fire and
Speaker 1: he's like, this is my ultimate fantasy. This city has
Speaker 1: turned into what I wanted. And then Rachel just goes
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up and just tases him.
Speaker 2: So so good.
Speaker 5: There's also two of my favorite villains in this scene
Speaker 5: who are like no one famous. But when Rachel is
Speaker 5: first going into the Narrows and the guy, she's they're gonna,
Speaker 5: they're gonna, like there's one of the cops who is
Speaker 5: clearly corrupt, and she's like, I need to get in there,
Speaker 5: and the guy's like, lady, you're about to raise these bridges,
Speaker 5: like she's bothering him, like get away. I think is
Speaker 5: so funny, and then he lets the swat team filled
Speaker 5: with the League of Shadows. Yeah, go ahead, guys, you're good.
Speaker 5: I love that guy so much. I think it's so hilarious.
Speaker 5: And then my favorite one is when the kid from
Speaker 5: the from the Narrows is with Rachel Jeffrey Yes, yes,
Speaker 5: the blondehair kid, and she's like, uh, he like pushes
Speaker 5: the kid away. When the kids trying to Oh, I
Speaker 5: can't find my mom. Can you help me find my mom?
Speaker 5: And the and that random like one of the League
Speaker 5: of Shadows guys pushes him away and she just goes,
Speaker 5: what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 2: All the guy does to him, I have never forgotten
Speaker 2: this in my entire life.
Speaker 5: Is just pointed her like this and says nothing, and
Speaker 5: all they do is zoom past him. And then that's
Speaker 5: when they show the emitter come out from the truck.
Speaker 5: And that's where we have the famous line, gentlemen, let's
Speaker 5: spread the word, and the word is scar.
Speaker 1: It is bump bump, bump bump. But I'm a great
Speaker 1: just fuck yeah, kick ass moment Fourth of July moment,
Speaker 1: we'll call it. His Commissioner Loab says to Gordon, Gordon's like,
Speaker 1: we need to send more people in. There's nobody left
Speaker 1: to send in. And then as soon as Lob says this,
Speaker 1: the batmobile just jumps through the air into the narrows.
Speaker 1: A Zaz is about to kill Rachel, and the little
Speaker 1: boy says, Batman will save us. And this made me
Speaker 1: sad because how many times has that happened where Batman
Speaker 1: didn't come and they die but Batman comes and saves them,
Speaker 1: and Rachel goes, thanks for saving us, Batman, and he says, it's.
Speaker 6: Not what I am underneath, but what I do that
Speaker 6: defines me.
Speaker 1: And I just rolled my eyes because so he's quoting
Speaker 1: Rachel to Rachel, and he's quoting Rachel to Rachel, so
Speaker 1: Rachel will know Batman is Bruce because he's wanted to
Speaker 1: tell her so bad because he has a crush on
Speaker 1: her and wants to bang her and dater, and she
Speaker 1: just thinks Bruce Wayne is some douchebag playboy who's like
Speaker 1: banging supermodels. And the whole movie is when it's so
Speaker 1: bad to tell her I'm Batman, but he knows it's
Speaker 1: too cringe to do it, and this is how he
Speaker 1: does it, and I'm like, loser.
Speaker 5: I they do this again in another one of these movies.
Speaker 5: I call back and they and it just bothers me.
Speaker 5: And we'll get to when we get to that scene
Speaker 5: in the future movie.
Speaker 1: But I like how the Fear talks and is helping
Speaker 1: Batman because everybody is scared shitless of him, like nobody
Speaker 1: wants to mess with him.
Speaker 5: We should mention he gave an antidote that Lucia's Fox
Speaker 5: created to Rachel and to Gordon, so these people are
Speaker 5: unaffected by it entirely. I love these Fear talks and
Speaker 5: visuals of him like flying over the crowd with like
Speaker 5: fire coming out of his eyes and his mouth and
Speaker 5: the whole thing, like the light beaming out of them
Speaker 5: is so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so explain, uh so at this part. At this point,
Speaker 1: Ducard rosall Ghul is on the train, like the Thomas
Speaker 1: Wayne train, Yeah, delivering the microwave device through the city
Speaker 1: to kill everyone, and Batman goes to face off with him.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, Batman tells Commissioner Gordon take the batmobile,
Speaker 1: and you wanted to talk about Gordon driving the batmobile.
Speaker 5: This might be like my top three scene in this
Speaker 5: whole series, let alone movie. Gordon just doesn't know how
Speaker 5: this thing works, and it's just so overreactive of like okay,
Speaker 5: all right. And then when he gets like when the
Speaker 5: machine like seat pushes him down to like the I
Speaker 5: don't know, torpedo mode, the noise and face he makes
Speaker 5: I just find to be so funny. I don't know, Oh,
Speaker 5: the way he does it, I was like, it's just
Speaker 5: so corny. But the idea is that he wants Gordon
Speaker 5: to go shoot and take out the train tracks because,
Speaker 5: as Tim said, the train is heading towards the Wayne Tower.
Speaker 5: Where a lot of the water is going through. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I seen I just love.
Speaker 1: And Gordon successfully does it. But before we get there,
Speaker 1: Batman's being sworn by like a hundred zombie citizens on
Speaker 1: fear tox and even Batman can't do anything about that.
Speaker 1: So he grapple hooks to the train and gets on
Speaker 1: the train. And I wrote, well, great, great Duke Card line,
Speaker 1: by the way or raja al ghul line. He says, okay,
Speaker 1: so you took my advice on theatricality quite literally when
Speaker 1: he sees his Batman costume, and I wrote, so Batman
Speaker 1: is beating up a fifty year old guy wearing a
Speaker 1: suit just like a black suit and tie, and he's
Speaker 1: wearing like elite soldier armor and is twenty years younger
Speaker 1: than him and like kind of doesn't get the upper
Speaker 1: hand on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1: Uh And basically long story short, Duke Card, how does
Speaker 1: he get like stuck in the train. Oh, he's just
Speaker 1: like the train's gonna crash because Gordon shoots out the track,
Speaker 1: so's it's falling off of a cliff at this point.
Speaker 2: And also Batman, the controls inside were destroyed too.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And Duke Card says, well, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: kill me, and he says, I don't have to kill you,
Speaker 1: but I don't have to save you either, and then
Speaker 1: he exits the train, letting du Card die. So I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Batman's code really briefly and why
Speaker 1: this would not break his code. A street thug is
Speaker 1: an example, but you got to kill Ducard. So like
Speaker 1: the line in the Dark Knight returns when he says
Speaker 1: about the Joker, how many people have I murdered by
Speaker 1: letting you live? To let the Joker live, you're a moron.
Speaker 1: You are literally killing thousands of people by letting the
Speaker 1: Joker live if he doesn't have to kill du Card.
Speaker 1: But you know, oh, what is this like this kind
Speaker 1: of bullshit loophole to be, Oh, he's gonna let him die.
Speaker 1: Isn't that everything Batman's against? No, you have to if
Speaker 1: there's a mega terrorist that's going to wipe out an
Speaker 1: entire city, and we'll do it again if you let
Speaker 1: him live, that person die. But not killing a street
Speaker 1: thug is like setting an example and sending a message
Speaker 1: in a larger way, So it's not about like the
Speaker 1: actual person or scenario or can you kill or can
Speaker 1: you not kill or are you obligated to save Rosalghul?
Speaker 1: It's about symbolism and what the larger meaning of that
Speaker 1: action is, and so it makes perfect sense to let
Speaker 1: him die, even though it's like quote unquote breaking.
Speaker 5: His coade's undeniably, if he survives this, he will come back.
Speaker 2: He will see it again.
Speaker 1: And kill everyone everyone. And my favorite, like I don't
Speaker 1: know if you call it a gag, My favorite gag
Speaker 1: in this movie is the next day Bruce looks at
Speaker 1: the paper and the headline is drunken billionaire burns down home.
Speaker 1: But the next day rock Howerd shows up to work
Speaker 1: and Lucius is there and it's like, Lucius, you are fired.
Speaker 1: And Bruce calls and is like, yeah, you took the
Speaker 1: company public and I bought all the shares. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's a bit technical. You probably wouldn't understand because earlier
Speaker 1: in the movie, because Rutger Howerd thinks Bruce Wayne is
Speaker 1: like some douchebag jerk off, he says, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: bit technical, Bruce, he wouldn't understand. So Bruce says in
Speaker 1: this call, it's a bit technical, you wouldn't understand, but
Speaker 1: I bought all the shares of the company, and I
Speaker 1: gave Lucius your job, didn't you get the memma? And
Speaker 1: then Rachel shows up in the ashes of Wayne Manners,
Speaker 1: literally as Bruce is shifting through the ashes, which goes
Speaker 1: back to like Ryan saying she only has thematic dialogue,
Speaker 1: and She's like, let's make out in the ashes and
Speaker 1: talk about how we can never be together. I guess
Speaker 1: the man I loved never came back. Bruce is your mask?
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, And Alfred says, what is your
Speaker 1: plan with the burned down mansion? He says, I'm going
Speaker 1: to rebuild it the exact way it was brick for brick,
Speaker 1: and Alfred says, well, this might be a good opportunity
Speaker 1: to rebuild some of the foundations, if you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and the Southeast Foundation, and I made a
Speaker 1: reference to the HH Holmes murder House, like H. H.
Speaker 1: Holmes is basically the evil Bruce Wayne, where in the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds he built this like custom home that was
Speaker 1: filled with different rooms to gas and kill people and
Speaker 1: then burn their bodies or dissolve the meat and sinew
Speaker 1: from their bones and sell their skeletons to oh medical schools.
Speaker 1: He actually did do that, but sorry, that was just
Speaker 1: a little me tangent that didn't need to be in
Speaker 1: this episode. So yeah, Rachel's like, yeah, we can't be
Speaker 1: together because you're Batman, and like this is fucked and
Speaker 1: just right, okay, yeah whatever, who cares? Okay. So that
Speaker 1: Gordon builds a bat signal and he lights it up
Speaker 1: in the sky and Bruce shows up, Batman shows up.
Speaker 1: He's like cool, this is neat. And Gordon says, I'm
Speaker 1: worried about escalation though, and Batman's like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about, because this is what you referenced earlier, Ryan,
Speaker 1: So like, what is the escalation he's worried about.
Speaker 5: So this is what I say I've been saying in
Speaker 5: my car to myself for years. We start carrying semi automatics,
Speaker 5: they buy automatics, We start wearing kevlar, they buy arm
Speaker 5: are piercing rounds, and and you're wearing a mask shopping
Speaker 5: off rooftops. Now take this guy, arm robbery, dumb mohomicide
Speaker 5: has the taste for the theatrical, like you Lee, he's
Speaker 5: a calling card, flips it over the Joker card from
Speaker 5: the character of the Joker.
Speaker 1: Everyone in the audience shasp their pants and this this
Speaker 1: is like O. He turns it over. It's a Joker
Speaker 1: card and then Batman goes, oh, look into it. So
Speaker 1: this is a Christian Rollan is telling everybody in the world,
Speaker 1: I am guaranteeing you the next movie is The Joker.
Speaker 1: And me at age how old was I? Nineteen? Me
Speaker 1: at age nineteen, I thought, I now have a reason
Speaker 1: to live. I need to put off suicide for another
Speaker 1: few years because I have to see this. There's there's nothing.
Speaker 1: There's no movie I've ever been more excited for than
Speaker 1: what is going to come next. And that movie next
Speaker 1: will be The Dark Night.
Speaker 5: This moment starts the hype machine for the next three years.
Speaker 1: That Katie Holmes is like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: She winds the Joker. They said, no, well.
Speaker 1: Here's here's why. So like, okay, take Brian Setzer for
Speaker 1: a second. My Batman begins advice is life is fucked
Speaker 1: up and horrible, and the abyss will stare back at you.
Speaker 1: And when it stares back at you, don't blink. Ryan,
Speaker 1: what is your Batman begins advice.
Speaker 2: It's hard to match that.
Speaker 5: There, Um, if you're gonna buy a restaurant, at least like,
Speaker 5: check the food first.
Speaker 2: He didn't get any of the food. I would I
Speaker 2: would not immediately do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: You should have a twenty minute scene at him eating.
Speaker 5: We should have any of the Caribbean buffalo wings by chance,
Speaker 5: We'll add those when I take over.
Speaker 1: That sounds good, but uh oh yeah, we need to
Speaker 1: We need to end this. It's been two and a
Speaker 1: half hours for Batman Begins. I honestly I didn't remember
Speaker 1: loving Batman Begins as much. I thought like Batman begins
Speaker 1: as a great precursor to the Dark Night, and that's
Speaker 1: basically it. It's it's like teeing up the Dark Knight and
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice, but it's not great. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I watched it. I hadn't seen it in years. Loved
Speaker 1: Batman Begins, absolutely loves it better than I remember.
Speaker 5: It's age really well, like we said earlier, looks great, sounds,
Speaker 5: great Music's awesome became I think we should just mention
Speaker 5: this became influential in its own way. I know it's
Speaker 5: kind of hard to say that after the kind of
Speaker 5: like the giant shadow of the Dark Knight, but truly,
Speaker 5: this became a very big reference point for people making reboots,
Speaker 5: very big reference for taking the material you're working with
Speaker 5: much more seriously, this movie did not make a ton
Speaker 5: of money.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, it did not.
Speaker 5: Yeah only so this movie made, if I'm on Wikipedia
Speaker 5: right now, made three hundred and seventy five million dollars
Speaker 5: on one hundred and fifty million dollar budget.
Speaker 2: So it did not make a shit to right, but
Speaker 2: it's it is. I remember just being a total nerd.
Speaker 5: What a shock watching like interviews with directors after other movies,
Speaker 5: other making of documentaries, and so many of them name
Speaker 5: checking Batman. Begins as being like, I saw that movie
Speaker 5: and thought I can do X. I saw how they
Speaker 5: did this, and we can do that. I saw how
Speaker 5: they pulled this off. Like all this stuff, it was
Speaker 5: just so influential in its own way that I don't
Speaker 5: think it gets a lot of respectful and it really should.
Speaker 5: So this is a total blast to watch. I just
Speaker 5: want to pull a comment on one thing. I was watching
Speaker 5: the credits at the end. I loved how Zaz was
Speaker 5: played by a man named Tim Booth. I loved how
Speaker 5: a serial killer played a serial killer. That's fucking great
Speaker 5: to me. I thought was fucking phenomenal. Either was fucking great.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't you know the next episode is
Speaker 1: going to be Sometimes, like when we do Stone Cold,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, great, this will be fun. I don't
Speaker 1: really need to pay attention to the movie. I don't
Speaker 1: need to take that many notes. This is I, I
Speaker 1: will say. And then sometimes I'm like, Okay, I actually
Speaker 1: care about this. I have to force myself to try.
Speaker 1: And then there are times that goes beyond that where
Speaker 1: it's like, this is one of the most important moments
Speaker 1: of my life. This is what this is what I
Speaker 1: have to say about the Dark Night. Like I'm going
Speaker 1: to take the next episode so seriously it may not
Speaker 1: even be good.
Speaker 5: I think, And we talked about this, we should truly
Speaker 5: just do an entire episode about the build up to
Speaker 5: the release of this movie, in terms of hype for it,
Speaker 5: things that happened, things that happened peripherally around it that
Speaker 5: had an effect on it, like pop culturally, because it
Speaker 5: was such Again we said in the intro episode, like
Speaker 5: we saw this in like in real time happen, and
Speaker 5: like I have just rarely seen movies that have so
Speaker 5: much hype. You're like, there's just no way they can
Speaker 5: come near this hype. It's it's too over hype now,
Speaker 5: and somehow I did it.
Speaker 1: Hey, CC, if you think you're seeing your dad this week,
Speaker 1: you're mistaken. But with that, with that, we're gonna leave you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and I'm I'm very, very excited
Speaker 1: about the next episode. We've never done Watchmen, right, the movie, yeah,
Speaker 1: or anything.
Speaker 2: Nothing, We've only with this.
Speaker 5: We kind of talked about it perfectly because we did
Speaker 5: the Heath Ledger episode and then we also did a Joker
Speaker 5: episode with the character, so we kind of.
Speaker 2: Talked about this a little bit.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, the two the two movies I
Speaker 1: was most excited about in my life, We're Watchmen and
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight. Watchman obviously was way more disappointing than
Speaker 1: The Dark Knight, but it definitely had redeemable qualities and
Speaker 1: we should do that. We should do that one day.
Speaker 2: But I would love to haven't seen him a long time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, well, thank you for listening, and we'll catch you
Speaker 1: on the excuse me, bat flip? That's so lazy?
Speaker 2: Is that count as a burp jar as well? Too?
Speaker 1: Well? Okay, I get to pass on that because you don't.
Speaker 1: You also should kind of get a pass on this.
Speaker 1: But the beginning of Stone Cold Part two, the moment
Speaker 1: I hit record. You didn't think I had hit record yet,
Speaker 1: So the moment, like, just listen to the very first
Speaker 1: second of Stone Cold Part two, it's a burt from
Speaker 1: you perfect.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's only I'm glad that episode.
Speaker 1: But I was like, that doesn't really count. He didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the plan.
Speaker 5: No, it's a thousand now, it's a thousand now, all right,
Speaker 5: Well I'll wait till Friday.
Speaker 2: Okay,