Speaker 1: For thirty five years, Cindy Stumpo has been a female
Speaker 1: home builder with a passion for design, a mastery of detail,
Speaker 1: and a commitment to her crack. With daughter Samantha Stumpo
Speaker 1: by her side.
Speaker 2: I don't need my whole family on a date with me.
Speaker 3: That's a good note. It's godemn weird.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 1: Stumpo Development is the only second generation female construction company
Speaker 1: in the country.
Speaker 4: You're crazy, You're a wacko, You're insane.
Speaker 5: I mean, it just doesn't end together.
Speaker 1: Cindy and Samantha welcome guests to explore the world of construction,
Speaker 1: real estate, development, design and more. Unpredictable.
Speaker 5: Every time I think I know what you want, you'd
Speaker 5: switch it out. But that's what makes your houses all
Speaker 5: your day.
Speaker 1: Discuss anything that happens between the roof and the foundation.
Speaker 5: Nothing is off limits. You truly do care about everybody.
Speaker 1: She can yell at chickens screen, but when you get
Speaker 1: her alone, she's the best person on the planet. Cindy
Speaker 1: Stumpo is tough as nails.
Speaker 3: And welcome to Cindy Stubbochub's Nails on WBC News Radio
Speaker 3: ten thirty and I'm here with.
Speaker 2: Smith Apparently I can't say see.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have to say, Sammy Stumbo, there you go.
Speaker 3: Who else is in this to you? Mark Joseph and
Speaker 3: you're the man of the hour. Maganham, okay, tell everybody
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 4: My name is Maganim. I'm CEO of after Math Adiction
Speaker 4: Treatment Center, after Math Behavioral Health and Redemption Addiction Treatment Center.
Speaker 4: I'm a man in recovery and clean coming up on
Speaker 4: eighteen years and of two yeah, eighteen years.
Speaker 3: So you're you're like my weakness, right. This has been
Speaker 3: my thing for thirty six years, his addiction thirty three years.
Speaker 3: Especially lost a brother at eighteen. I'm not sorry, I'm
Speaker 3: okay's my brain's gonna go off at twenty eight to
Speaker 3: one line of coke in nineteen ninety, which was unheard
Speaker 3: of last year of law and one line quldn't called
Speaker 3: an ovadose. It was just Timy, Timy. Cause of death unknown.
Speaker 3: So I know and understand the spending. Anybody, you try
Speaker 3: to keep your kids away from it, you know, you whatever,
Speaker 3: It's just I get very angry with people, so I
Speaker 3: understand who I am. I've been trying to raise money
Speaker 3: for the Maverick. I don't know if you know what
Speaker 3: that is, and he's fostered with it. It was not Maverick.
Speaker 3: It was called the Meridian House House. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I used to go in there and do spoken more poetry.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now you know what the Meridian House looks
Speaker 3: like now compared to what it was like eighteen years ago?
Speaker 4: Right, it was like eighteen years ago.
Speaker 3: But three family, Yeah, that's what it was eighteen years ago,
Speaker 3: with three family. I don't think I'm dating myself thirteen
Speaker 3: fourteen fifties. Yeah, like eighteen years ago, it was just
Speaker 3: a three family. That's all it was, you know, with
Speaker 3: bedrooms upstairs, and it ran the phone, calling the produce
Speaker 3: what do you get left over for food? But getting
Speaker 3: my friends to try to raise money from them. Like
Speaker 3: I'd give my friends money for their causes, but they
Speaker 3: wouldn't give me money for my causes, which was drug addiction,
Speaker 3: battered women and children. Now things have changed in eighteen years, right,
Speaker 3: because now.
Speaker 4: People talk about it nowadays it's.
Speaker 3: Not about so much of the talking about it. Middle
Speaker 3: class and upper class are losing their children to it, right,
Speaker 3: so now it's something they'll talk about absolutely. I don't
Speaker 3: know if you follow every eleven minutes. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: do know, every eleven minutes, some children between the age
Speaker 3: of twelve, thirteen, twenty, twenty twenty nine are dieing from
Speaker 3: the fetanyl, right, so they take up add medication as
Speaker 3: fetanyl and they.
Speaker 4: Press pause whatever it is and everything right now.
Speaker 3: So it's every eleven minutes, that could be my kid.
Speaker 3: You're a kid, anybody's kid that's listening right now, your grandchildren,
Speaker 3: your brother, your sister, anybody. So now, because people understand
Speaker 3: it in the richer communities, they're giving them money. But
Speaker 3: eighteen years ago, no.
Speaker 4: They were, they were weren't They thought it was an
Speaker 4: inner city problem.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you're a drug you know, Well they decide
Speaker 3: to be drug X. No, no one grows up and
Speaker 3: decides they want to be a drug X.
Speaker 4: So it doesn't almo with somebody that they know. That's
Speaker 4: when you know, everybody wants to be up and arms.
Speaker 4: I totally change over that time.
Speaker 3: Look, you can prove me wrong. You know more about
Speaker 3: this than I do, and we'll get into your bio.
Speaker 3: But I believe a lot of this is genetic too, right,
Speaker 3: Like there are kids that could party through high school
Speaker 3: and college and never look back again and then it's
Speaker 3: that one time they do something in there.
Speaker 4: There, that's why you have you know. For me, well,
Speaker 4: my son, I have open lines of communication about it,
Speaker 4: like he's more likely to fall into drug addiction just
Speaker 4: by partying or experimenting, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 4: of his genetics, because his father is a drug addict,
Speaker 4: you know, because we have family history of alcoholism and
Speaker 4: drug addiction, you.
Speaker 3: Know, and scare him.
Speaker 4: No, I mean one of the cool things like being
Speaker 4: in recovery for as long as I've been in and
Speaker 4: being like an advocate for the community. He knows my
Speaker 4: whole story. He's known it for a long time, Like
Speaker 4: he's seen some pretty cool things that I've been able
Speaker 4: to do over my time. So I've always had like
Speaker 4: that open line of communication with how he's fifteen now
Speaker 4: about to be sixteen.
Speaker 3: Well he's the impress severs right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, But even even early on, it wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily like hey, you're gonna do you know, you party
Speaker 4: with your friends, you're going to do drugs. A lot
Speaker 4: of it's like you hang out with the wrong people
Speaker 4: at a young age, you're gonna do the wrong thing,
Speaker 4: and that kind of follow suit, you know, that like
Speaker 4: unspoken peer pressure for me when I was growing up,
Speaker 4: Like I wanted to be a part of so whoever
Speaker 4: I was hanging out with, whatever they were doing, I
Speaker 4: kind of follow suit with. So trying to educate my
Speaker 4: son on being a leader not a follower, and then
Speaker 4: having the courage to say no, because that's like one
Speaker 4: of the biggest things. Like when I was presented some
Speaker 4: you know, presented a cigarette, presented a beer, a joint,
Speaker 4: I didn't have the courage to like speak up for
Speaker 4: myself and be like, no, I don't want to do this.
Speaker 4: I just did it because it's what everybody else around
Speaker 4: me was doing. That unspoken peer pressure.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think comes an early age. I think
Speaker 3: that does come from an early age. When my father
Speaker 3: said to me, you decide, do you want to be
Speaker 3: a chief for an Indian you want to be a
Speaker 3: follower leader? You get one choice, you don't get two.
Speaker 3: I'm not following. I'm definitely not a follower. So I'm
Speaker 3: not a follower. So I never had a drink of
Speaker 3: alcohol in my life. It's awesome, But I did pick
Speaker 3: up cigarettes right now because somebody gave me a cigarette.
Speaker 3: The truth is I took it from my father that
Speaker 3: was a smoker. Yeah, and I went and smoked on
Speaker 3: the corner. Right, that was my choice period in a story,
Speaker 3: I made that choice and I did and follow you. No,
Speaker 3: would you drink? I don't drink barely, okay, but in
Speaker 3: your twenties you were, you would, you were having a
Speaker 3: good time. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like even when I saw people like in high
Speaker 2: school doing drugs or whatnot, no one ever said, ever
Speaker 2: pushed me if I said no.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 4: That's true, But that's it's not always about saying no,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like pushing you to do
Speaker 4: it after you say no. Sometimes people are scared to
Speaker 4: say no.
Speaker 2: They never actually asked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, different generations, but I hear, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I told you not to put your business. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: thirty eight to thirty nine.
Speaker 2: But watched people like take pills and then drink a
Speaker 2: beer in the ads roll behind their head. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that doesn't I'm good.
Speaker 4: Well that's a blessing that he looked at that like.
Speaker 3: But some people and it didn't start.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it didn't start as like I look at
Speaker 4: somebody with the as rolling back like it started with cigarettes.
Speaker 4: My buddy stole a pack of smokes from his mother,
Speaker 4: and then one by one he handed it to each
Speaker 4: kid we walked to school with and we sat on
Speaker 4: the corner, you know, coughing up along thinking you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, and then excuse me, yeah, excuse me.
Speaker 4: We were working. I thought I was the coolest we were.
Speaker 3: Don't be mistaken that we were. We were, okay, But
Speaker 3: the kids that were nerdy and getting more educated, they
Speaker 3: were actually the cool kids, right.
Speaker 4: But no, I mean looking at it now, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I have a friend that once said to me from Revent.
Speaker 3: It was the best remark ever. He said, you know, Cindy,
Speaker 3: you have as much drug problems over the bridge as
Speaker 3: we have over here. You guys just hide it in
Speaker 3: your fancy homes and your fancy cars and behind your money.
Speaker 3: But where they come to get the drugs? And you
Speaker 3: know what, he was right, We had a bigger problem.
Speaker 3: And we were the kids getting the pills from their
Speaker 3: parents' cabinets. Where the kids getting the pot from We
Speaker 3: were the kids getting all the purpose from their parents. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I laughed because he's right with that. See, we're
Speaker 3: just drug x over here because we're poor, but the
Speaker 3: rich people. They're not drug xs well yes they are,
Speaker 3: but they just hide it really really well, well because
Speaker 3: they have the fancy homes and cars. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day, it's all the same. It's all the same.
Speaker 3: So give you a bio, please, Matthew.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm a personal long term recovery I
Speaker 4: got clean April twenty first, two thousand and six. Very blessed.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm a spoken word out is. I've been
Speaker 4: writing poetry my whole life. I put a book out
Speaker 4: in twenty eleven called The Shadow of an Attict. I've
Speaker 4: been in the recovery field a most slow.
Speaker 3: So you put a book out, The Shadow of a
Speaker 3: twenty eleven.
Speaker 4: A collection of poetry. I sold I think five thousand
Speaker 4: copies out of my car. So before that, I had
Speaker 4: a book deal that I like signed and thought I
Speaker 4: was going to be some New York Times bestseller.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Uh that did not happen. And I'm very stubborn
Speaker 4: and I like to prove people wrong because I was
Speaker 4: supposed to be nothing, and uh, you know this, this
Speaker 4: company just kept pushing me off, pushing me off. We
Speaker 4: need the right editor, we need this. And then finally
Speaker 4: I was you know I was ready to you know,
Speaker 4: I just gave up on waiting for them, ended up
Speaker 4: putting a book together and published it and acting publishing
Speaker 4: in Childs Town. All my first.
Speaker 3: Boss is not getting you the places you want to
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 4: It's got me pretty filright, says it. Yeah, it actually has.
Speaker 4: So you know I'm be easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not stumbing at all. No, I swig, I.
Speaker 3: Mean coming by Paul. Okay, hold that thought. We're gonna
Speaker 3: take the coming, going out to break? What's that becoming? Becoming?
Speaker 3: You think I'm buy pola? Okay, over there, I can't
Speaker 3: throw a pen at you. I'm sitting stumple. You listen
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Speaker 3: And I'm Siddy Stumpo and you're with I'm with Sammy and.
Speaker 4: Mark Joseph and Maganam you have.
Speaker 3: That song amazing Barssmith so one of my favorites, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I want to shooting this song. Was it a blinking value? Family?
Speaker 3: See the light? What was your blink of an eye
Speaker 3: that you finally saw the light?
Speaker 4: In my moment of clarity, I hit rock bottom. I
Speaker 4: was on trial for Class A distribution, but I was
Speaker 4: a monkey oft sold bananas. I sold drugs to support
Speaker 4: my habit.
Speaker 3: What is that called monkey of What I call it.
Speaker 4: Being a monkey of sould bananas? Which means I sold
Speaker 4: heroin as a heroin addict, So I would sell drugs
Speaker 4: just to do all the profits. And that's how I
Speaker 4: maintained for a little while when it stealing, which eventually
Speaker 4: after I got arrested, led to more crimes and a
Speaker 4: further spiral down I was.
Speaker 3: I think today in twenty four you'd be arrested for
Speaker 3: that with everything's going on in the country.
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't be treated the same way I was
Speaker 4: treated like I was some big time drug dealer. When
Speaker 4: I was sitting in court, I had detectives and I
Speaker 4: cop showing up and I got caught with like not
Speaker 4: a lot of heroin at the time, but they wanted
Speaker 4: to paint me out as this big bad guy because
Speaker 4: I was selling death to kids, that's how it was
Speaker 4: looked at. But I was a lost nineteen year old.
Speaker 3: But now being a dad and think a nineteen year
Speaker 3: old kid might sell to your son. Yeah, yeah, awful.
Speaker 4: Oh I know, I believe me. The perspective I have
Speaker 4: now compared to what I was when I was a kid,
Speaker 4: is completely different. I wanted to be this cool kid,
Speaker 4: tough guy like I used to try to emulate something
Speaker 4: that I wasn't. And when I was, you know, I
Speaker 4: started with Oxy Corton in high school, and I thought
Speaker 4: I could fight Mike Tyson, I could hit on the
Speaker 4: heart girl. It gave me all the confidence in the world,
Speaker 4: and then it progressively got worse to ivy, heroine, homelessness,
Speaker 4: crack program.
Speaker 3: Two, addiction, any mental disorders that you can think of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, suffer. I suffer from depression, anxiety, I struggle with
Speaker 4: you know, just trying to fit in, just trying to
Speaker 4: be a part of I've severely obsessive personality.
Speaker 3: Like so you had to stand Stull diagnosis for a reason, right,
Speaker 3: better than anybody. And if maybe somebody saw these things
Speaker 3: as a child, Yeah, taken you down a whole different path.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, you're right. About that because unfortunately, when
Speaker 4: I was a kid, though they looked at all his
Speaker 4: behavioral problems and that I was struggling with mental health,
Speaker 4: I wasn't extreaming all for help. Yeah, exactly. So I
Speaker 4: went through four different high schools and two states.
Speaker 3: Like, but that's weird, you're how oled again?
Speaker 4: Thirty eight bout to be thirty nine.
Speaker 3: We knew that. I mean, my daughter studied six. We
Speaker 3: knew that. Not my age.
Speaker 4: They didn't know that, fortunately not for me.
Speaker 3: So mom and dad never picked up on it.
Speaker 4: No, not really. I mean I just was constantly getting in.
Speaker 3: Trouble, you know, driving them crazy.
Speaker 4: Yes, I drove my parents completely insane. And now my
Speaker 4: father's my best friend. I share every bit of good
Speaker 4: news that I ever get with him first, you know,
Speaker 4: and like there was many years that I didn't talk
Speaker 4: to him. My mother threw me out when I was
Speaker 4: sixteen years old because you just couldn't deal with me.
Speaker 4: So now I bought I bought my mother at Klondo.
Speaker 3: Now you bought your years ago. Yeah, things change.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been pretty good now.
Speaker 3: And me, I'm the type of mom that I will
Speaker 3: chase my kids, so I can't chase them anything so
Speaker 3: there's two schools with thoughts.
Speaker 4: So yeah, there was definitely different back then. You couldn't
Speaker 4: talk my mother and father couldn't talk to the next
Speaker 4: parent because they would be like, what did you embarrassed?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? When it had nothing to
Speaker 4: do with them. I'm like, yeah, there's some home struggles
Speaker 4: and everything, but I mean I went down the path
Speaker 4: that wasn't because of the way that they raised me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: So as we're talking about drugs, so for me, I
Speaker 3: was so afraid that history would repeat itself. So you're
Speaker 3: already you're already have PTSD, right like you have children.
Speaker 3: Now now you see what your parents went through. You
Speaker 3: see what you've been through. You don't want that history
Speaker 3: to repeat itself.
Speaker 4: No, we're trying to break that cycle.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and six, how old were you.
Speaker 4: I was twenty years old, twenty one years old when
Speaker 4: I got clean.
Speaker 3: So you know it's like we're just I think if
Speaker 3: you haven't lived it, you don't understand it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You have to live that. You have to lose somebody
Speaker 3: that you love to know that feeling, to have that empathy,
Speaker 3: and unless you've been there, you're never going to understand
Speaker 3: an edict. You're never going to understand whether they start
Speaker 3: off as a social user. My brother was definitely social, right,
Speaker 3: you silly nineteen eighty leaving Newton's South going three thousand
Speaker 3: miles like yeah, across the world. You know, Hey, no,
Speaker 3: mom and dad watching me sex, drugs, rock and roll
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty like la kidding me? Like who's banging? Who's
Speaker 3: not banging? Who? Who's not doing coke? Who's not doing
Speaker 3: this that? And probably was blowing eight balls and quote
Speaker 3: ounces back in those days, right, doesn't die then later
Speaker 3: off ten years later or whatever, you know. It's like.
Speaker 3: But when the police got there, there was nothing there
Speaker 3: by the way, so we knew somebody was there. They
Speaker 3: took off. They left him there.
Speaker 4: That's awful.
Speaker 3: Probably somebody from Harvard one of the schools and said
Speaker 3: I don't want to go down for this and and
Speaker 3: could have saved his life, but they didn't. They chose
Speaker 3: to run out and not save his life. Right, so
Speaker 3: we know that he suffered. We can tell by his
Speaker 3: pants trying to get up the stairs, you know, crawling
Speaker 3: all the nine yards. But it happened, and you live
Speaker 3: with that for the rest the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: So you can't make a normal family understand unless that
Speaker 3: family has been there through the pain. So then you know.
Speaker 3: Then you have a kid, that's okay, my kid's drinking
Speaker 3: here now it's every night through COVID. I'm going, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 3: what's going on here? Right? And now you get start
Speaker 3: getting scared because here it comes right, here comes the
Speaker 3: who knows? So I know me as a mom, I
Speaker 3: will tackle you, I will chase you, I will annihilate
Speaker 3: you out there. Bodyguards on you. I didn't need it, okay,
Speaker 3: but I did put it. I did put a I
Speaker 3: put a bodyguard on you at times. I put a
Speaker 3: PI on you at times. Yeah, that bought me drinks.
Speaker 3: And he was an idiot, wasn't he? Only I could
Speaker 3: hire a PI that buys a drinks, Like who does that?
Speaker 3: But I wanted to make sure she was safe. Plus
Speaker 3: we had a TV show, plus we had a lot
Speaker 3: going on too. But again, yeah, that's that's yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: do that type of crap. Like I don't care.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: And then she called me on the phone. She's like,
Speaker 3: I think Dad just drove by me. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: what we're talking about?
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: Ahama just drove by on what were you in Austin? Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not your dad, I said, that's somebody else. Sammy,
Speaker 3: what when it did happen? It wasn't at it was
Speaker 3: Awesomehama driving down. Okay, so go ahead. I'm making a
Speaker 3: point that people unless they understand this.
Speaker 4: Definitely, and I mean when you're talking about parents, and
Speaker 4: I mean, there's definitely different ways of doing it. You know.
Speaker 4: I try to equip Christian with enough knowledge that when
Speaker 4: he's in these situations that he makes the right decision. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: up until now, he's never drug. He's never smoked. I
Speaker 4: never had a cigarette, never smoked weeds.
Speaker 2: So I have to say that I don't know for
Speaker 2: you remember this, but you also told me if I
Speaker 2: ever wanted to do a drug, come home and tell you,
Speaker 2: and like like you kind of said you'd do it
Speaker 2: with me, and I never asked because you kind of
Speaker 2: leave it this.
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing about it. I said, listen, you
Speaker 3: guys want to have to try something. We try to
Speaker 3: feel me together my father so that to me kept
Speaker 3: me straight so I can get high with you. That
Speaker 3: doesn't seem too fun. So I get high. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: he took the he took the ooh out of it.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. It's like Italian kids that
Speaker 3: grew up with wine on the table every night. They
Speaker 3: grew up with wine on the table, right, it's kind
Speaker 3: of culture going to get drunk cause it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: they can win, exactly. So if you take that excitement
Speaker 3: out of it, like okay, dude, you if they haven't
Speaker 3: called me up on it and said, hey, ready to
Speaker 3: do a line, I'd be like, Okay, it comes to
Speaker 3: hot attack, it comes to pig attack, I think I'm dying,
Speaker 3: But go ahead. I'm sorry, I keep going.
Speaker 4: No, that's all I got for that one.
Speaker 3: No, you got more than that?
Speaker 4: Oh I do? I do?
Speaker 3: But okay, So we all know that you can be
Speaker 3: cleaned for eighteen years, twenty eight years, and you can
Speaker 3: fall right back and it's like those eighteen years never
Speaker 3: even survive. So what do you do to really keep
Speaker 3: your head in the game. And honestly, and.
Speaker 4: One of the biggest things that I've found is the
Speaker 4: support network, the recovery network that I have. I mean,
Speaker 4: everybody just about in my life is in recovery. So
Speaker 4: when you have something like that, anything that you go
Speaker 4: through you can lean on them through all your struggles.
Speaker 4: You know you have somebody that you can talk to,
Speaker 4: open lones of communication and being relently honest with people.
Speaker 4: I went through like a really tough period about four
Speaker 4: and a half years ago where like my entire life
Speaker 4: came crumbling down and recovery. I was running a business.
Speaker 4: I had a bad split with a partner and he
Speaker 4: basically like took the rugout from under me. And in
Speaker 4: that period I had some really really low lows. Over
Speaker 4: time that, like you know, I was able to reach
Speaker 4: out to my support network and they were able to
Speaker 4: pick me up and support me through it. A lot
Speaker 4: of what I've done is advocacy work. Poetry writing is
Speaker 4: like one of the biggest therapeutic tools that has helped
Speaker 4: me stay clean. I went through the Hamilton House and
Speaker 4: eighteen in two thousand and six, and it was nope, chaurus.
Speaker 3: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I always try to pick some I get it, well,
Speaker 2: you know exactly what time you're born.
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly what time time fifteen Maybe I
Speaker 4: think possibly you can look that up. But I was
Speaker 4: in a halfway house with twenty six guys and it
Speaker 4: was either their last stop to president or their first, like,
Speaker 4: oh you are parole to this program. So like getting
Speaker 4: clean early on, I was a twenty one year old
Speaker 4: kid that like, you removed the drugs for me, all
Speaker 4: that big, bad, tough guy stuff that I tried to
Speaker 4: like play on the street. That illusion the tough guy
Speaker 4: disappeared and I couldn't go to the next person who's
Speaker 4: six or five just to five years in prison, being like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm having a bad day. Can we talk
Speaker 4: about it? So what I would do is out write
Speaker 4: down my thoughts, feelings and any prisons. Yeah, six months,
Speaker 4: which is like nothing, I'll blip on the radar.
Speaker 3: And that didn't freak out enough. No, No, that doesn't
Speaker 3: scare you.
Speaker 4: I mean, prison time definitely scared me. The six months
Speaker 4: in County and bill Ricket didn't scare me. But when
Speaker 4: I got arrested, I was facing state time and that
Speaker 4: definitely was a whole different ball game that I didn't
Speaker 4: want to do. I didn't want to go upstate, and
Speaker 4: that's what helped I.
Speaker 2: Went to upstate.
Speaker 3: You don't you don't want to, you know.
Speaker 4: Prison ten years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want Buddy Dougie was up there, all
Speaker 3: that thought, hold that thought, I'm going to break. This
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Speaker 3: Radio ten thirty And I'm here with Sam, I'm here
Speaker 3: with Mark Days, I'm here with our guests. Matthew, I
Speaker 3: guess I don't have a voice name No, No, and Sam,
Speaker 3: because I can't waste any time. I got you, okay, Matthew. Question, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what keeps you straight every day? Is it a struggle
Speaker 3: every day?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't say it's a struggle every day. I also, uh,
Speaker 4: one of the things that keeps me straight is gratitude.
Speaker 4: I don't ever want to be homeless again. I don't
Speaker 4: want to sleep on a park bench. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be in and out of programs and detoxes. I
Speaker 4: don't want somebody that has control over my freedom.
Speaker 3: So you got sick of you got tired of being sick.
Speaker 4: And yeah it was miserable. Cindy, I'm gonna jump in
Speaker 4: one day. We want a corner.
Speaker 3: Why did you do that? Mark? Since you're sitting in
Speaker 3: the studio, we haven't heard from here. Okay, buddy, how
Speaker 3: do you know each other?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I know you, but.
Speaker 4: I know Mock since I was what five years old
Speaker 4: and we used to play basketball on the mini hoops
Speaker 4: in leagues.
Speaker 3: And you know, no, I know we talked. We talked
Speaker 3: to you like my swimming pool come out and I
Speaker 3: pull in the drive ring. Go okay, gets your Jorgian pool. Okay,
Speaker 3: see what I'm going to go back to work.
Speaker 6: No, there was one time me and Matt were talking
Speaker 6: by Central Square and he was and I asked him, like,
Speaker 6: you know, because when we were kids we played basketball.
Speaker 6: I know him one way, but his high school years
Speaker 6: I didn't know him. So throughout the years I would
Speaker 6: just you know, see like I didn't know him at
Speaker 6: that point, but I saw what he recovered from and
Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, like.
Speaker 3: This was high school you kind of yeah directions.
Speaker 4: When we were kids, we used to go to the
Speaker 4: Boys and Girls club every day.
Speaker 3: Did you see his fall? Did you see him a way?
Speaker 4: Because all happened like started seventh eighth grade.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and at that time we was, you know, just
Speaker 6: different towns. But we were always like cool.
Speaker 4: My first friend like any drugs.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I was too scared of my mom.
Speaker 2: You did say may first?
Speaker 3: Correct first?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's virgo. MO thank you. Oh Jesus, okay, there
Speaker 3: is that means it means I was right. So Sam
Speaker 3: and I play that game like I try to call
Speaker 3: who you are and I put virgo and you are
Speaker 3: what she said. You can check that out. So cancer
Speaker 3: makes you emotional, Virgo makes you crazy, yea, and the
Speaker 3: bull just as the bull. So there was no way
Speaker 3: out of you like being anybody controlling you. Nope, at all,
Speaker 3: not at all, not at all. But the cancer gives
Speaker 3: you empathy.
Speaker 4: Good.
Speaker 3: Do you ever notice that your EmPATH Sometimes you see
Speaker 3: things that you don't know what you see, you know
Speaker 3: it's coming.
Speaker 4: No, not that necessarily, No, but I am like, I
Speaker 4: am in touch with people's patterns and can you read
Speaker 4: people well? Yeah, I read people really well.
Speaker 3: That comes from your cancer.
Speaker 4: That's that's one of the reasons why I've been successful
Speaker 4: running A couple of times, I say the same thing,
Speaker 4: helping people turn their lives around you.
Speaker 3: You can read people and the virgo by the way
Speaker 3: has got the big heart and is loyal but good.
Speaker 6: No, the reason why I want to jump in. And
Speaker 6: when we were on the corner, we talked about what
Speaker 6: made him transition, like what made him stuff? He said,
Speaker 6: you know, one day he looked himself in the mirror,
Speaker 6: right and had a conversation with himself, right. But then
Speaker 6: I said, like, when it gets hard, what do you do?
Speaker 6: He's like, there's some streets I can't even go by,
Speaker 6: right because if I go by that, it might just
Speaker 6: bring me flashbacks. And he's just sharing like the like
Speaker 6: the intimate details of like you know, you could tell
Speaker 6: he's recovered because he like put boundaries on himself. But
Speaker 6: what he can't do to go back to that, to
Speaker 6: that moment, I was just fascinated. But he's talking to
Speaker 6: me like I knew him when I was a kid.
Speaker 6: And I've seen like other friends who've gone through drug
Speaker 6: issues and you can see it on their face and
Speaker 6: their body, you know, you know, and they just struggle
Speaker 6: in life. And Matt was just like, hey, hey, what's
Speaker 6: uping Mark? Like how I knew him?
Speaker 3: Man, let me ask this question. You think people still
Speaker 3: look down on DRUGX and reform drug X? Yeah, you
Speaker 3: still think the stigma still continues. Yeah, so you think
Speaker 3: the stigma still continues that people like Christians, plumbers, h
Speaker 3: tracy guys with the dumb guys with dumb guys.
Speaker 4: That's like a uh, you know, a more complicated answer
Speaker 4: than just a yes or no. I think there's definitely
Speaker 4: still a stigma there. I think that people are more
Speaker 4: open to the fact that people struggle and whatever profest.
Speaker 4: Can I treat people that make a half a million
Speaker 4: dollars a year?
Speaker 3: Do you think that you're lucky at thirty eight that
Speaker 3: your generations finally talking about this. Yeah, well, previous generations
Speaker 3: were too afraid to say absolutely. Yeah. That's when I
Speaker 3: know my parents were embarrassed to say.
Speaker 4: That's. One of the reasons why I like took a
Speaker 4: path of advocacy is because nobody talked about it. So
Speaker 4: when I was getting high, I thought I was going
Speaker 4: to die or go to jail, Like those are the
Speaker 4: only two options. Nobody was like walking around talking about
Speaker 4: recovery or you can turn your life around. There was
Speaker 4: never anybody that that discussed stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And how it happened to you. How'd you turn your
Speaker 3: life around?
Speaker 4: Oh? Well, you know, hitting the rock bottom where I'm
Speaker 4: dope sick and my buddy I was staying with a
Speaker 4: buddy of mine.
Speaker 3: When I mean, you really decided like this a few times?
Speaker 3: Try straight.
Speaker 4: You gotta let me share it.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about you. Yes, you went.
Speaker 4: So I was sleeping head and so with a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine. He ended up getting into a program. So
Speaker 4: at the end of my run, I was trying to
Speaker 4: kill myself because I didn't want to live anymore. I
Speaker 4: was on traffic I say distribution that I I was
Speaker 4: terrified I was going to go upstate. My mother didn't
Speaker 4: talk to me, My father didn't talk to me, my
Speaker 4: sister didn't I had no friends. The only person that
Speaker 4: I really had was my dope dealer. And then I
Speaker 4: was staying with my buddy's mother, and I would give
Speaker 4: her dope as my way of paying rent and her
Speaker 4: allowing me to put my head on her futon. My
Speaker 4: buddy ends up getting into a program. He's begging me
Speaker 4: to come to this because he knows like I'm on
Speaker 4: the verge of like just trying to pass peacefully in
Speaker 4: my sleep, and I wake up I'm dope sick, and
Speaker 4: his mom's getting high in front of me, and she
Speaker 4: turns to me and she goes, you have enoughing problem.
Speaker 4: You need to go and get help. And that's when
Speaker 4: I went, wait, the mother said, she's shutting up. She
Speaker 4: turned to me, which, in my opinion, but she doesn't
Speaker 4: need help. In my opinion, it wasn't her speaking. My
Speaker 4: higher power is my best friend James Slattery. He killed
Speaker 4: himself in September first, two thousand and four, and I
Speaker 4: really believe that he came down he was speaking through
Speaker 4: her as a way to talk to me, like you
Speaker 4: have a problem, you need to go and get help.
Speaker 4: And I remember I ended up going into the bathroom
Speaker 4: right after she's getting high as the one thing that
Speaker 4: I need to write. That was the one thing that
Speaker 4: I woke up to. I fell asleep too. I chased
Speaker 4: after all day and I didn't have it, and I
Speaker 4: didn't like take care of myself. I didn't shower, I
Speaker 4: didn't like brush my teeth, like I was the guy
Speaker 4: that you saw walking down the street and you woul
Speaker 4: across the street because you want to know part of me.
Speaker 4: And I ended up looking in the mirror and I
Speaker 4: saw like a skeleton looking back, like I saw death
Speaker 4: staring back at me like I couldn't even tell you
Speaker 4: who was in the reflection. And from there it was
Speaker 4: like that was the moment of cloudy, like for that
Speaker 4: brief moment, I wanted to live more than I wanted
Speaker 4: to die. So now I felt like my boy spoke
Speaker 4: through my buddy's mother. I end up getting to a detox.
Speaker 4: I end up getting to the next step and into
Speaker 4: a halfway house, which usually didn't happen. I get into
Speaker 4: a detox, it'd be nothing after the hand you a
Speaker 4: list of shelters and they send you on your way.
Speaker 4: Right after three days of detos three day, seventy two
Speaker 4: hours of detox, i'd be back on the street with
Speaker 4: a script of subs that I would sell for my
Speaker 4: first back adobe. That's the first I ended up. Everything
Speaker 4: fell in line that wasn't supposed to fall in line.
Speaker 4: The house that I get to. I I stayed at
Speaker 4: the Pine Street in and then I end up at
Speaker 4: the Hamilton House with a stopping shot bag full of
Speaker 4: everything that I have to my name, And the guy
Speaker 4: who ran the program walks in and he goes, who
Speaker 4: brought their f and bag here? This isn't a hotel.
Speaker 4: YadA YadA, YadA, so in my mind, I was already
Speaker 4: checked out. I'm gonna go to Field's corner copper bag
Speaker 4: of dope, and then just turned myself in because I
Speaker 4: was I missed some court dates, had some wants out
Speaker 4: for me, and I showed up at that house at
Speaker 4: ten o'clock. He never took the.
Speaker 3: Halfway house to help you with all that. Once you
Speaker 3: get in there.
Speaker 4: Once you get in there, yeah, but I was only
Speaker 4: in there for an interview. And the guy used to
Speaker 4: be a very hard ass, very by the book, one strike,
Speaker 4: you're done. If you showed up late for a curfew,
Speaker 4: your stuff was packed on the porch.
Speaker 3: You know, your eyes smile now, Yeah, first came in,
Speaker 3: they weren't, but they now, Oh we're talking now, so
Speaker 3: your eyes are smiling right now.
Speaker 4: So he tells me to sit at this.
Speaker 3: Came in with like a glare in your face. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna break this guy down.
Speaker 2: That's okay, now even did him feel bad to do that.
Speaker 4: But so I'm sitting at this table. Guy never tells
Speaker 4: me to leave, so I'm not leaving. They feed me again.
Speaker 4: I showed up at I think it was like nine
Speaker 4: ten in the morning, so at seven eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: He came out with a pillow on a blank He goes,
Speaker 4: you clearly want this and gave me the opportunity to
Speaker 4: have a bed. Then not only did that happen, a
Speaker 4: week later, he shows up in court with me because
Speaker 4: I turned myself in. And now this guy's a former
Speaker 4: DEA agent that went to jail for ten years, got
Speaker 4: his PhD. Like big massive man, tons of connections, and
Speaker 4: he's like Matt's been in the court system since he
Speaker 4: was like fifteen years old, and everything's been drug related,
Speaker 4: Like you should give this kid a chance, like let
Speaker 4: him go through this program. And they washed away my
Speaker 4: my warrants and stipulated me to the program. They were
Speaker 4: still trying to give me jail time when I got
Speaker 4: out of there, but like the program director went to
Speaker 4: bat for me, and then it ended up being like
Speaker 4: one of the biggest blessings. It was the structure that
Speaker 4: I needed. It like laid the groundwork for where I'm
Speaker 4: at now in life, you know, and I needed that structure.
Speaker 4: It also gave me some things not to do while
Speaker 4: running treatments on us, because I don't think that no
Speaker 4: stuff necessarily works for everybody. Even for me.
Speaker 3: So now you have kids out there and we've got
Speaker 3: so much fatanyl and another cut that just came into it,
Speaker 3: that are killing kids every eleven minutes. Like I said,
Speaker 3: somebody dies between the ages of twelve and twenty nine
Speaker 3: doing drugs out there. You would think today, doing a
Speaker 3: bump of coke would scare the heck out of you,
Speaker 3: doing a percoset, doing an adderable non prescription. You think
Speaker 3: these kids would be so scared that they can lose
Speaker 3: their life.
Speaker 4: But I don't think people educate on like the press
Speaker 4: pills and the stuff that's tainted and drugs. So I
Speaker 4: spoke at Wakefield.
Speaker 3: We talk about parents not educating, the kids not listening.
Speaker 4: Sometimes people don't think it's happening. I still think it's
Speaker 4: not in my town and not in my neighborhood at times.
Speaker 4: So I was having a conversation after a resource night
Speaker 4: in Wakeful.
Speaker 3: That thought, and don't forget it. I got to go
Speaker 3: to break. I'm sending stumbling listening to snails on WBUS
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Speaker 4: You go, and Miley, Yes, Miley.
Speaker 3: Like I'm changing names. Smelly.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Going back to that resource night, that resource officer
Speaker 4: was trying to argue with me about adderall press pills,
Speaker 4: that it contained a fetanyl trying to say that it
Speaker 4: wasn't in Wakefield when it just happened in Lint, like
Speaker 4: there was a big bust with a bunt, like.
Speaker 3: You've been clean eighteen years though. Yes we had fantanel
Speaker 3: eighteen years ago.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we didn't. I'm talking about now now.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I was speaking at a resource night in Wakefield.
Speaker 3: Got a resource that my bad, no, my bed, I'm tired.
Speaker 4: And I speak a little faster at times. So the
Speaker 4: cop was trying to say that thrust adderall wasn't something that's.
Speaker 3: Huh, how do you say mother? How do you say mother?
Speaker 4: How do I say mother?
Speaker 3: He just said it, Okay, so it's called mother in
Speaker 3: the real world.
Speaker 4: We go, mother, my bad.
Speaker 2: I thought, you say, man, Yeah, I go, I'm not
Speaker 2: allowed to call her mother. She says, that's disrespectful.
Speaker 3: Mother, that's like mother.
Speaker 4: Like. So there was a big arrest in Land and
Speaker 4: there was like one hundred something thousand pills of Adderall
Speaker 4: that were pressed that have fatanol in it. So now
Speaker 4: you get a prescription of adderall, you're taking it and
Speaker 4: you run out, or you give it to your friends,
Speaker 4: and now you're grabbing it for somebody else. You don't know.
Speaker 3: I just don't know.
Speaker 4: So I when I got high and when I first
Speaker 4: started using her experimenting with drugs, we had a good time.
Speaker 4: And that's what like I've told my son that I've
Speaker 4: told Christian. It was a good time. And now you
Speaker 4: don't have that.
Speaker 3: You don't have to time.
Speaker 4: No I did. I did, Yeah, absolutely, because what are
Speaker 4: we gonna am I going to try to put the
Speaker 4: fear of guard in him because he doesn't listen anyway.
Speaker 4: He's a teenager, you know, so you sign he's a cancer.
Speaker 3: No he will, but he will.
Speaker 4: The DARE program didn't work. The fear you know, the
Speaker 4: fair based stuff didn't work. No, it was a good time.
Speaker 4: That's what let me down. It is because it was
Speaker 4: it went from a good time to an everyday obsession.
Speaker 4: You know, like when he was fourteen, I showed him
Speaker 4: Basketball Diaries. It's like one of my favorite movies, and
Speaker 4: it's a movie that very very closely mirrors what I
Speaker 4: went through, where in the beginning they're having a good
Speaker 4: time partying, and then one guy continues on the path
Speaker 4: of success and then the others turn into you know,
Speaker 4: drunks called Basketball Diaries with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 3: And oh, I have to send that to ring.
Speaker 4: But it starts off having having a good time. And
Speaker 4: sometimes when you see like you know, parts of his family,
Speaker 4: they drink at everything, and somebody who might be a
Speaker 4: miserable man, you get a couple of drinks, and you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, the personalities change. You know, sometimes
Speaker 4: you think that that is something that could happen.
Speaker 3: I watch it, watch your chat.
Speaker 4: The basis of it was I got to I got
Speaker 4: to have a little bit of a good time before
Speaker 4: things hit the fan. Christian doesn't even have the ability
Speaker 4: to experiment right now because of everything that's getting put
Speaker 4: into weed, into ecstasy. I know that, but that's you know,
Speaker 4: those are some of the conversations I have with him
Speaker 4: to prepare if he's at a party, if he starts
Speaker 4: going down that because I have no control over what
Speaker 4: he does. He's gonna, you know, I try to equip
Speaker 4: them with the tools, and he's off in the world.
Speaker 4: He's gonna have to figure that out on his own.
Speaker 3: Body watches every eleven minutes right on Instagram.
Speaker 4: It's right on the driven stuff has been proven that
Speaker 4: it doesn't always work.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, how about a punch in the heat?
Speaker 2: I mean I think it only works if through somebody
Speaker 2: else's how about.
Speaker 4: Through Yeah, I mean that's you know, a couple of.
Speaker 3: You know, just setting to hang up my mom.
Speaker 4: He'll be fine.
Speaker 3: He listen to me, please, I'm begging you. Your can's
Speaker 3: son's a beast to habit, but you know it or
Speaker 3: not a very good He likes the same restaurants, yeah,
Speaker 3: his parents, He likes home, doesn't like change. He ain't
Speaker 3: going to become a drug act.
Speaker 4: I hope he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He is a leader, not a follower.
Speaker 4: I'm praying for just watch you know.
Speaker 3: So that's been your whole crazy life, right.
Speaker 4: And now no, no, Well, there's a whole bunch there's
Speaker 4: a whole bunch more in there.
Speaker 6: Well, let me say this, Matt has done things from
Speaker 6: going through what he went through that my friends who've
Speaker 6: had great lives as teenagers, kids, you know, young adults,
Speaker 6: they still haven't accomplished with MAT's accomplished.
Speaker 4: Now his accomplishments.
Speaker 3: Now talk about accomplishments, I mean, because I hope that
Speaker 3: all the insecurities went away with your accomplishments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, they have, you know, And I've grown into
Speaker 4: a leader instead of that kid following that I that
Speaker 4: I was growing up. I have I don't know, forty
Speaker 4: something employees. I run three three different treatments center. I
Speaker 4: got one in Delaware to in Wakefield. One that's a
Speaker 4: substance abuse facility, and one that's a mental health behavioral
Speaker 4: health facility. I opened up another program, which was one
Speaker 4: of the first php IOPs in Massachusetts in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 4: and then I ended up branching out and doing something
Speaker 4: on my own. I was the Spoken Word Artist of
Speaker 4: the Year in twenty thirteen. I had the mail the
Speaker 4: Male Poetry or a Male Spoken Word Poetry Book of
Speaker 4: twenty thirteen for the mass Poetry Awards. There's a question
Speaker 4: advocate of the Year in twenty fifteen at all over
Speaker 4: the place a little bit here.
Speaker 3: Do you realize that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's why I'm extremely grateful. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I never do good for you. I'm glad you do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to. You have to appreciate what you
Speaker 4: have because I literally come from nothing to be able
Speaker 4: to sit in a very beautiful home that I have.
Speaker 4: I own eight different rental properties, I own treatment centers,
Speaker 4: a couple of businesses. I've been able to help elevate
Speaker 4: like my friends and put them in a position to
Speaker 4: succeed and do some successful things on their own. Like
Speaker 4: you know, I've been able to travel the world, speak
Speaker 4: to schools, colleges, I've performed at someone like some world
Speaker 4: famous poetry spots. So yeah, no, I'm it's crazy when
Speaker 4: you look when I take the moments to like reflect
Speaker 4: on everything at how far I come from when I
Speaker 4: was couch hopping or sleeping on pot bench. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: I still got a long way to go.
Speaker 3: You've got a long way to come. So you've got
Speaker 3: big dreams, yeah, yeah, And when when life's hitting in
Speaker 3: the head and coming at you, you just handled differently.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, I mean, when you can overcome something as
Speaker 4: difficult as a heroin addiction. You feel like any obstacle
Speaker 4: that it's thrown in your way, You're able to run through,
Speaker 4: run around. I'm gonna figure it out, and I'm going
Speaker 4: to be better off on the other side for it.
Speaker 3: I would agree one thousand percent on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thousand percent on that one.
Speaker 6: With the success that you have now in the businesses
Speaker 6: that you started and run. Now, has anyone treated differently
Speaker 6: because you're a heroinetic or you were.
Speaker 4: Not now they used to coming up and then when
Speaker 4: you have dreams that are completely outrageous, people look at
Speaker 4: you funny. I remember when I told people I was
Speaker 4: going to chase poetry. They laughed at me because I
Speaker 4: don't come from a place where, you know, people think
Speaker 4: poetry is cool. You know, Rose of Red viol to
Speaker 4: blue stuff screw. Oh, I agree, and I took it, and,
Speaker 4: you know, completely shattered any idea of what I was
Speaker 4: able to accomplish. I started telling people I was going
Speaker 4: to open up a treatment center. In the early stages
Speaker 4: of people thought I had ten heads, like, what's this.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't have an education, I didn't go
Speaker 4: to college.
Speaker 3: You can buy brains.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I have doctors that work for them.
Speaker 3: Exactly the question. Yep, here's the question that came to me.
Speaker 3: Are you treating any of your centers with mushrooms academy?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, do you believe in.
Speaker 4: That or I mean micro micro doosing? I don't know
Speaker 4: enough about it to have an opinion on it. I
Speaker 4: don't do that at our center, not for since abuse.
Speaker 4: I've definitely heard that there's benefits towards mental health from
Speaker 4: from the people that I know that I've taken it
Speaker 4: and the discussions that we've had together.
Speaker 3: To doing this right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a lot of people, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people, you know, in the public light who've had
Speaker 4: different experiences, whether it's micro doos and some other things
Speaker 4: that they have. That's not something that I that I
Speaker 4: necessarily have a background in or any experience with.
Speaker 3: The twelve step program.
Speaker 4: I started with that, Yeah, and then I ended up
Speaker 4: going away from it a little bit more into advocacy.
Speaker 4: I like fighting for people, So I was at the
Speaker 4: state House classroom politicians and like fighting for change and
Speaker 4: started some nonprofits.
Speaker 3: Over the years helping I believe it did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now yeah, No, I think things are a
Speaker 4: lot different now than they wear back when I was
Speaker 4: getting helped. There's a lot more treatment centers. I mean,
Speaker 4: but if we want to pinpoint one one area and
Speaker 4: overlook the amount of people, you know, all the people
Speaker 4: that are out there that have turned their lives around,
Speaker 4: because there is a lot more, I feel like now
Speaker 4: than there was back then.
Speaker 3: We know the percentage of people that get clean and
Speaker 3: stay clean as what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't go into negative stuff like that. I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to beat people down when they're trying to
Speaker 4: turn their life around and say, oh, only X amount
Speaker 4: of percent get clean. If you put the work in,
Speaker 4: if you hold yourself accountable and surround yourself with good people,
Speaker 4: you're going to get the return on what you put in.
Speaker 4: And that's on an individual basis. If you look at everybody,
Speaker 4: you're gonna get everybody's results where it really falls on
Speaker 4: your shoulders if you get better or not.
Speaker 3: What's the best advice you can give? Because the saying
Speaker 3: is I'll be the nigga and nearly hear that you
Speaker 3: don't put the time in. If you don't chase your
Speaker 3: sobriety the way you chase your high, you're never going
Speaker 3: to stay straight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you're right with that.
Speaker 3: And there's a problem. It's so much easier.
Speaker 4: It's easy to get hide and stay clean and to
Speaker 4: chase sobriety. It's hot as hell. It is a very
Speaker 4: difficult path, but I promise you where I'm at today
Speaker 4: is a complete blessing from where I was at as
Speaker 4: a twenty year old dope fiend, homeless, strung eye, isolated
Speaker 4: and burn. Every bridge around me.
Speaker 3: Is name ever, stity the prouty. Okay, me too. I'm
Speaker 3: proud to give me a pism. I'm Sidney Stumple going
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Speaker 4: north of Boston. A great, amazing staff that everybody has
Speaker 4: personal experience in recovery. We've built a great culture to
Speaker 4: help people turn that life around. We also have a
Speaker 4: mental health facility located in Wakefield after Math Behavioral Health
Speaker 4: on fifty D Autobahn Road in Wakefield. And again, if
Speaker 4: anybody is out there struggling or I think they need help,
Speaker 4: I mean, give yourself a chance, believe in yourself, like
Speaker 4: you deserve to live a better life than the one
Speaker 4: that's struggling with addiction and drugs or alcoholism. Like you
Speaker 4: definitely deserve a better life. And thank you for having
Speaker 4: me on.
Speaker 3: Here, Matthew, thank you for coming. Give me a fist punt, buddy. Okay, everybody,
Speaker 3: have a great, safe weekend. This is Cindy Stumpo Toughest
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