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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back in drivetime on a Friday here on ESPN

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred. It is a football Friday, but we're taking

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<v Speaker 1>a little break from the football conversation chatting with our guy,

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<v Speaker 1>big T thorough Bailey, reacting to the NBA trade deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>talking a little jazz and more. But as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>it is a football Friday, it is Super Bowl weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>and even yes, even when our guest is a former

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<v Speaker 1>college national champion, former NBA player, and many other things.

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<v Speaker 1>To be clear, very talented thorough Bailey, We're still going

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<v Speaker 1>to ask him about the Super Bowl, Big T?

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<v Speaker 2>How much does it move the needle?

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<v Speaker 1>What's your football fandom look like, especially on a Super

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<v Speaker 1>Bowl Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my dad was a Redskins fan growing up because

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<v Speaker 3>I was born and raised in DC, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>think the highlight of my life, I think part of

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<v Speaker 3>his was when I was traded from the Jazz so

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<v Speaker 3>the Timberwolves. The Super Bowl was in Minnesota and the

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<v Speaker 3>Redskins were in it. So I flew him out and

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<v Speaker 3>he got to see his team in the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>But I grew up, you know, I like the Redskins,

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<v Speaker 3>but I ended up. You know, sometimes people don't believe this,

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<v Speaker 3>like I jumped on the bad way. But I've been

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<v Speaker 3>a Kansas City Chiefs fan for a lot of years now,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean almost but nine ten years, and even became

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<v Speaker 3>more so when a good friend of mine named Porter Elliot.

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<v Speaker 3>You need to look that name up.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just discussing Porter on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>I know him well, yeah, yeah, well I knew Porter

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<v Speaker 3>when he had his accident. I went to business him

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<v Speaker 3>in the hospital when he was a kid when he

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<v Speaker 3>lost his.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm, just as you were playing with the jazz. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and my wife, being from Richfield, knew their family

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<v Speaker 3>and asked me to come down. And then his story

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<v Speaker 3>is amazing and just made me a stronger poor Elliot fan.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you know, obviously they started winning. So I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't about to jump jump bandwagons, but yeah, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>Kansas City guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thrill.

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<v Speaker 4>You interestingly have so many great, deep connections to this community.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you played here, that's one thing, but you

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<v Speaker 4>now are known so much for you know what you

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<v Speaker 4>give to the community, the way you give of your time.

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<v Speaker 4>I know I've experienced it personally, and you and I

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<v Speaker 4>have been a part of different things before, but you

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<v Speaker 4>have really flexed the muscle in terms of community outreach

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<v Speaker 4>and engagement. But your authenticity and just ultimately who you

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<v Speaker 4>are is what has drawn so many people to your

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<v Speaker 4>kindness and what you've been giving. When did you feel

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<v Speaker 4>that this place, the state of Utah, Salt Lake City,

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<v Speaker 4>was really congruent with your personality, your heart, and your

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<v Speaker 4>overall desire to help others.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, first of all, Tea, did just hear your manage

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you? You're not in transfer long time, new

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<v Speaker 3>little teat whenever we're on big T, right, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get that so.

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<v Speaker 4>Hot ride with.

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<v Speaker 3>Bailey, That's right. Well, you know, I think it's always

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think the community embraced me early on

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<v Speaker 3>in my career. Uh, there was a changing of times

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<v Speaker 3>for the jazz. We were starting to win more and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as a from a fandom point of view,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, the fans were always there, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure I realized it until I left. I

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<v Speaker 3>was traded, and then I came back with the Timberwolves

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<v Speaker 3>and got just a fantastic welcome. But ultimately it was

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<v Speaker 3>when I was away for a while after I went

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<v Speaker 3>overseas and I came back my last year in the season,

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<v Speaker 3>I walked through the tunnel and I got a standing

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<v Speaker 3>ovation from the crowd.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew it wasn't just from my basketball player. That

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<v Speaker 3>was a lot of it, but I felt it was

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<v Speaker 3>deeper than that, and so for me, it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sealed the deal that the community appreciated who I was

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<v Speaker 3>as a player, but even maybe more so the person

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<v Speaker 3>I try to try to become as someone in the community.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I was a kid, I used to hate

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<v Speaker 4>the fact, as a junior jazz player, we would always

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<v Speaker 4>get the tickets to see Minnesota. That was the only

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<v Speaker 4>team we would ever get to see, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>always frustrating because it was like, man, we got why

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<v Speaker 4>do we always get to see them? But then you

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<v Speaker 4>were there and it changed everything. And I remember how

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<v Speaker 4>excited I was to go and see that, and I

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<v Speaker 4>definitely remember how warm a reception the fans gave to you.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's always great to see you. Obviously, you and

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<v Speaker 4>jazz basketball together. You know, people know the statues outside

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<v Speaker 4>and they know so many of the personalities from Hot

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<v Speaker 4>Run Hunt lead to Jerry Sloan. But I think when

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<v Speaker 4>you think the heart and soul of Utah Jazz basketball

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<v Speaker 4>and what it means in this community.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, you have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be here and be around here to know what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>talking about. And I know you definitely do. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>uh uh, nobody represents that better than yourself. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>I just it's always something I thought you'd have a

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<v Speaker 4>chance to experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that, to appreciate that a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>To expand on that thorough, to see your your Utah

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<v Speaker 1>connection from a different point of view. I remember when

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was a young I want to say,

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<v Speaker 1>six seven years old, and my dad and I we

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<v Speaker 1>ran into one John Stockton out out in the city.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not I'm not speaking badly of John. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not this merching John, but let's just say it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what a fan experience. Uh what would you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>if you run into one of your you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>heroes out on the out, on the move. Now, we

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<v Speaker 1>weren't disrespectful, we didn't try to waste his time or

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<v Speaker 1>take much of his time, but it was just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dismissive and and we were we were a little

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<v Speaker 1>a little bum by that. My dad and I talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it in the car as we left a little

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<v Speaker 1>upset as we leave. And then a week later, a

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<v Speaker 1>week later, we see a big te thorough Bailey and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still a young kid.

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<v Speaker 2>At the home Depot.

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<v Speaker 1>In the aisles of the home depot, not only Thurle

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<v Speaker 1>did you take like fifteen to twenty minutes to stand

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<v Speaker 1>in the halls of home Depot and talk hoops with

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<v Speaker 1>me and my late father. At that time, you helped

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<v Speaker 1>us take heavy stuff to our car and continued the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's long ago, and I'm sure you've had

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of these different types of memories, but it

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<v Speaker 1>left an impression on me that lasted throughout my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>As I went to jazz games, as I watched all this,

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<v Speaker 1>and then eventually got to meet you and do this

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I appreciate that, and let me say just off

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning of that is that you will never meet

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of man than John Stockton. The one thing

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<v Speaker 3>John was not comfortable with was stardom, which I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have the kind of Yeah, I didn't have the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stardom that John Stockton had. And so for a

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<v Speaker 3>guy who like that, who's always been a gym rat,

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<v Speaker 3>just wanted to play the game without all the accolades.

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<v Speaker 3>It just was not comfortable with it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>times it would come off as dismissive, right, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>mean so, But you know, John and I still talk

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<v Speaker 3>to that. I love the guy. He's one of my

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<v Speaker 3>best friends ever that I've ever had, not just within basketball,

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<v Speaker 3>but outside of it as well. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, there's there's different approaches, there's different things

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<v Speaker 3>that you know different. I promised my mom years ago

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<v Speaker 3>that that I would always I would always take the time,

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<v Speaker 3>even if if it was inconvenience for me, I'd always

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<v Speaker 3>take time because it wasn't about me, right at that point, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's about maybe how I could touch person's life in

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<v Speaker 3>it for a few seconds and they would remember it

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But that's that's the world we.

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<v Speaker 4>Live in, man.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, it's what you sign up for,

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<v Speaker 3>and you may not like it on some days, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's your choice how to react or not react to it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just chose to, for the most part, make

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<v Speaker 3>it a favorable experience. It wasn't always comfortable or convenient,

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<v Speaker 3>but didn't have to be, you know, something that that

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<v Speaker 3>person walked away with with a bad memory.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. I saw John at a college basketball game, oh

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<v Speaker 4>Coled just about a week ago, week and a half

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<v Speaker 4>ago maybe, and he was very gracious with the fans

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<v Speaker 4>that were there. I mean, everywhere he goes, he's going

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<v Speaker 4>to draw some attention and stuff like that. But you

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<v Speaker 4>could tell that it still may not be something that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he's overly cut. He'll do it, but you

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<v Speaker 4>could tell it since there's something about that and having

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<v Speaker 4>that that you know, he wanted it to be about

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<v Speaker 4>his son. He wanted it to be about anything else

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<v Speaker 4>other than but but he was still good.

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<v Speaker 1>With And just to be clear, uh, no one is

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<v Speaker 1>entitled to your time. No one, whether they're a celebrity,

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<v Speaker 1>uh famous athlete, is entitled to like go out of

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<v Speaker 1>their way for a fan of any kind. And I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to, you know, it never would feel entitled

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<v Speaker 1>to their time.

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<v Speaker 2>It just was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the the way that thorough went out of

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<v Speaker 1>his time man for some random kid from Oakley, Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, way more time than than he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to uh to do that. It was super cool and

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<v Speaker 1>it it left a pretty good impact on me. You

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<v Speaker 1>you and also the late Mark Eden. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>know Mark be in a park City local really well,

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<v Speaker 1>uh before before he ultimately passed. And both of you

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel really small and in another way really.

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<v Speaker 2>Big, which is which super cool?

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<v Speaker 3>That's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never felt big around thorough Bailey, especially swatted my

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<v Speaker 4>shot in the sixteenth throw of the stands and as

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<v Speaker 4>the crowd ooed and odd in front of a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of junior jazz players, and crowd got a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I did decide I I okay, so long rebound

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<v Speaker 4>and I've got a full head of steam, thinking all right,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got an easy layup here, I've got everybody behind

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<v Speaker 4>me the floor. Then on the back angle at a

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<v Speaker 4>forty five degree I see these long strides coming at

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<v Speaker 4>me and I'm thinking, all right, but I'll probably win

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<v Speaker 4>this race. And then maybe two steps later you realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to win this race. But then I thought,

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<v Speaker 4>what the heck? You know it's for the kids. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>see if I can score on thorough Bailey. No, No,

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<v Speaker 4>that ball was in the fifteenth row in the blink

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<v Speaker 4>of an eye, and the crowd ooed and odd. They

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<v Speaker 4>had a great time with it. And I'll never forget

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<v Speaker 4>a little kid sitting in one of the close rows

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<v Speaker 4>before we inbounded, going.

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<v Speaker 2>Mom, that guy sucks. That's lovely. Just need a pump fake.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need a pump fake.

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<v Speaker 4>No, he would have handled that, he had it dialed

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going.

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<v Speaker 3>Mid range games.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well the inbound I had a three pointer out

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<v Speaker 4>of the corner. That's a different discussion, but that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>the part of the story. We don't tell a girl

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<v Speaker 4>it's a different era kind of a jazz basketball, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean this is I know that it's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>would be needed overall to take the long game to

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<v Speaker 4>winning big. As you watch kind of you know, young players,

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<v Speaker 4>as you see so much happening night in and night out,

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<v Speaker 4>and you look at all the different eras of jazz basketball.

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<v Speaker 4>You see what the Jazz have in front of them, picks, assets,

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<v Speaker 4>things like that. You know, you take this in day

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<v Speaker 4>to day and you always have a great perspective of it.

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<v Speaker 4>What are the biggest things that kind of jump out

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<v Speaker 4>to you? Is you kind of digest everything that is

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I think if you're watching Jazz basketball

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<v Speaker 3>and you're part of the Jazz Nation and you're not

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<v Speaker 3>you don't understand what the blueprint or what the plan is,

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<v Speaker 3>then then you should understand that that's where you need

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<v Speaker 3>to start. This team is really trying to develop the

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<v Speaker 3>young guys. They're trying to put themselves in a position to,

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<v Speaker 3>for a ring in the next few years. And the

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<v Speaker 3>only way really that you can do that in the

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<v Speaker 3>market that we're in, I believe, is to go about

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<v Speaker 3>it in this way, in this long term way, and

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<v Speaker 3>Justin and Nanny have really tried to make that clear.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know it's not a pretty thing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not easy to do, but I think when you

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<v Speaker 3>can see progress, like if you couldn't see any progress,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a lot more frustrating. The arena's aren't is crowded,

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<v Speaker 3>but Jazz Nations seeing progress. They're seeing what happened against Indiana,

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<v Speaker 3>albeit a loss. We were in the game, and seeing

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<v Speaker 3>what happened against the Warriors in clutch time, and so

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<v Speaker 3>that's why they're still hanging on. That's why they're still

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<v Speaker 3>loving Jazz basketball. Is because they understand where we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get to and so it's been interesting to watch

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<v Speaker 3>as a former player. You know, veterans come out and

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<v Speaker 3>buy into the plan and raise their value along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, trade deadline just ended. So for guys to

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<v Speaker 3>come out like John Collins and Jordan Clarks and Colin

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<v Speaker 3>Sexton and understand that they have to develop these young

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<v Speaker 3>guys as well as you know, raising their own value,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's something that's happening and just a crazy business,

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<v Speaker 3>as you guys know. So you know, we're at it

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<v Speaker 3>again tonight with a team who tried the free superstar

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<v Speaker 3>route and it doesn't seem to be working out well

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<v Speaker 3>for him. So it doesn't work all the time, and

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<v Speaker 3>you have to be portunate and lucky. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>the Jazz are on the right track.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirl, you mentioned the trade deadline. What was your big

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<v Speaker 1>picture reaction first to the Jazz involvement in the Luca

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<v Speaker 1>Donta trade and that trade big picture and then around

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<v Speaker 1>the league? What was maybe the most active trade deadline

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<v Speaker 1>in modern NBA history, at least as you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>bigger names, it's it's on the upper upper end of

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<v Speaker 1>that list. How did you intake trade deadline day and

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<v Speaker 1>how the Jazz involved themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think everybody was shocked about the Conta Anthony

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<v Speaker 3>Davis trade, and I think some even part of it

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<v Speaker 3>more than the trade itself, was that nobody knew but

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<v Speaker 3>just a few people, right, And in this day and age,

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard to do. It's hard to keep that under wraps.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, you have to make your own opinion

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<v Speaker 3>about who won that trade. It was certainly unusual with

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<v Speaker 3>the Mavericks, you know, going to the finals recently, and

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<v Speaker 3>so that just shows you that you know that this

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<v Speaker 3>is the business of basketball, and as a player, you

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<v Speaker 3>always are like, I don't know if it's tens of needles,

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<v Speaker 3>but you always wonder if you're going to be moved, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm sure it's no different than on this team.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure players were kind of wondering and thinking, well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's something going to happen with the Jazz. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as somebody who's been in it and been involved in

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<v Speaker 3>it and has been traded, it doesn't surprise me as

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<v Speaker 3>much as people who are kind of entrenched in the

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<v Speaker 3>real business of it, if you will. But look, the

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz are who they are right now. Even though the

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<v Speaker 3>trade deadlines over, there's off season coming up, so I'll

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<v Speaker 3>have to wait to see if something happens. Then.

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<v Speaker 4>You gave me a story once about how one of

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest ways you had such a trust and a

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<v Speaker 4>love for Jerry Sloan was he took you to dinner

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<v Speaker 4>ones to let you know about some of the things

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<v Speaker 4>that were coming and why he was trying to kind

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<v Speaker 4>of go to bad for you.

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<v Speaker 2>If I recall that right during a moment in your career.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you see something like that being a part of

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<v Speaker 4>today's NBA, with that transparency and with the way the

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I hope. So. I just thought it was, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it was. It was unusual back then or coach too,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to sit down with the players and say,

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<v Speaker 3>look this possibly something happens. Just wants you to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was really big area to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>It was in Miami actually, and you know, so it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't like a super serious blow. I know there's in

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<v Speaker 3>this day and age, there's you know, the the possibility

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<v Speaker 3>of players busting up a trade or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean in this in this day and age,

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<v Speaker 3>it's I think it's it happens more that players kind

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<v Speaker 3>of get that trust even though it's a business, their

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<v Speaker 3>trust in gms and coaches and and just talk reality.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the reality of the business. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a there's a communication there that should

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<v Speaker 1>Big T tonight in Phoenix. You got the Suns at

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<v Speaker 1>eight pm. What are you expecting to see from the Jazz?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe not from XM's no standpoint, but as you mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>there's always a different feel post straight deadline after you

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<v Speaker 1>know that you're not on the move or you're staying put,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, maybe players that have been moved. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>kJ Martin of course the only addition for the Jazz,

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, what are what are your expectations for a

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, you never know what's going on in

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<v Speaker 3>what we'll just continue to to be, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a problem in the locker room. So I just know

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<v Speaker 3>that the Jazz need to have some carryover for how

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<v Speaker 3>they've been playing the last few games. I think they

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<v Speaker 3>can do that. I think they're they're you know, they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're really consolidated on the buy in as a team,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I expect them to go out and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and go out and try to win this game.

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<v Speaker 3>It's off of back to back, so the first quarter

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<v Speaker 3>is going to tell me a lot about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>where their mindset is and how much carryover we will

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<v Speaker 3>get from that Warriors game.

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<v Speaker 1>Big T, we know you got to run, get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>get that arena, and uh what we'll see on the

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<v Speaker 1>on the television screen here momentarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks man, hey, thank you guys, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Big T thorough Bailey, Big T thorough Bailey, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>hover loving beast, one of the love that man, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greats in jazz land, of course on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor and in the community and on the broadcast.