WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.680 You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:08.039 a UFO hanging in We don't want to report every 3 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:11.519 thirty one. Do you wish to report a UFO over hey, 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:15.439 we want to one of those areas thirty one. 5 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 Do you wish to find a report of any kind 6 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:17.320 of it? 7 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.039 I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds. 8 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:27.199 Time areas thirty one me neither there. See if it 9 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:32.280 was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago, we. 10 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:33.560 Were sending one of golf negative. 11 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.039 Okay, OFFI the UFO. 12 00:00:37.759 --> 00:00:40.920 Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll passed over, 13 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.399 I go. I don't know what it was, but it's 14 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:47.079 from at least to three thousand feet above us. 15 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.079 See, I passed out over the top of US. 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.479 Ninety one one. 17 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:58.039 You just called both to me before they're after staying. 18 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:06.319 The airplanes here to God on an unidentified object. 19 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:09.840 Every liberty or call or calm on an unidentified flying 20 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:13.280 object A. 21 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:19.280 Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share their 22 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter, 23 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.560 I would like to be on the show. You can 24 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:47.920 email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. 25 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.359 Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you 26 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.519 all doing? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO 27 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:59.480 Chronicles podcast. In this Grippin episode, our guest tonight come 28 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:03.519 to us for New York State brothers Chris and Shann O'Leary, 29 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:08.199 lifelong alien abductees whose lives have been marked by decades 30 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:12.439 of chilling encounters. From childhood experiences of missing time to 31 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:17.159 adulthood visit by unworldly entities, their story is nothing short 32 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:21.719 of astonishing. Shan, a retired police officer, opens up about 33 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:23.879 the night he was pushed to the brink when he 34 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:28.639 drew his weapon on a being that defied or earthly explanation. Together, 35 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.319 the O'Leary brothers peel back the layers of a lifelong mystery, 36 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:35.719 sharing not only their personal accounts, but the emotional and 37 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:39.840 psychological told these encounters have taken. They describe moments of 38 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.800 haunting sense of being watched night after night. For Chris 39 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.639 and Shan, the abductions didn't stop when they grew up. 40 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.400 They only deepened, raising disturbing questions about the nature of 41 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.199 those beings and their intent. Are these encounters just part 42 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.479 of a larger alien agenda and what happens when those 43 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.360 trained to uphold the law come face to face with 44 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.680 something utterly beyond it. Join us as we explore the 45 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:07.439 extraordinary lives of two brothers caught in a decade long 46 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.759 encounter with the unknown, a journey that challenge is not 47 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:14.800 only their understanding of reality, but ours as well. Chris 48 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:17.759 and Sean are up next. But first, if you enjoy 49 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:19.680 the show and you would like to help support the 50 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.639 podcast on Patreon, you can do this for as little 51 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.639 as one dollar a month. Head on over to patreon 52 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.719 dot com Forward Slash UFO Chronicles podcast. You can also 53 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.360 find a link in the description of this episode. Any 54 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.280 help is very much appreciated. 55 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:35.439 Now on the. 56 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:52.759 Show, Hello, Chris and Sean, Welcome to the podcast. 57 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.080 Well, thank you, thank you Nick. 58 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.520 Thank you both for coming on today. And you're calling 59 00:03:58.719 --> 00:03:59.919 for New York State. 60 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.599 Yes, we're in the Hudson Valley upstate New York, which 61 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:09.719 is one of the UFO and alien abduction hotspots in 62 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:13.080 the country. Whitley Strieber was taken that far from here, 63 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:17.199 and in the eighties there was a huge spate of 64 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:23.800 sightings and abductions that the legendary J. Allen Heinek came 65 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:27.519 and investigated and wrote a book called Night Siege. So 66 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.120 this is a place of weirdness for whatever reason. Yeah, 67 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:35.759 we're in a small town north of Albany, sarah Tooga Springs, 68 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.839 New York. A wonderful town of about thirty thousand people. 69 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:42.959 It's grown considerably since these events started for us. 70 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:44.399 Wonderful stuff. 71 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:44.839 Indeed. 72 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.319 Yeah, that is a bit of a hotspot al right. Okay, 73 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:51.439 now guys, you have some experiences to share that starts 74 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:54.639 back in the late fifties. Would you like to start 75 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:56.000 in the beginning please. 76 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:59.839 Well, it started with my mother before we were born. 77 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.319 And here's how we know about this incident. When we 78 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:07.000 were kids in the seventies, we would be at my 79 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:10.000 grandparents' house, my mother's parents, and whenever there was a 80 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.920 mention of a UFO on TV, you know, like a 81 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.959 sighting on the local news something like that, our grandparents 82 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.839 would go, oh, that's just like with your mother, remember 83 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:26.000 that rose in And they would bring it up every time, 84 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.600 and the story was from the three of them. My 85 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:37.879 mother was about twelve thirteen years old, very beautiful Italian 86 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:42.680 Irish girl, and we're living a very wonderful small town 87 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:47.160 and very safe and suburban in a lot of ways. 88 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.279 And my mother was walking her dog by the family dog. 89 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.519 My mother had a poodle skirt on she had just 90 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:57.040 gotten and this was nineteen fifty nine, so that was 91 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:00.439 like a trend. And she actually had a poodle, you know, 92 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.600 a jet black poodle named Jet, you know, not surprising one. 93 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:11.160 She was walking the dog only a block from her 94 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:17.120 parents' house, no more than two hundred yards, and it 95 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.800 was a beautiful sunny day, and as she was walking 96 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.000 the dog, suddenly a big shadow over the ground, blotting 97 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.279 out the sun, leaving her in shadow. And she saw 98 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:32.319 that the shadow was covered width of the road and 99 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:37.199 also part of the lawns on either side, the houses 100 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:40.360 on either side of the street. And she looked up 101 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:48.839 and she said there was a big triangle right over 102 00:06:48.879 --> 00:06:53.439 her head, only about twenty feet in the air. We 103 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.720 pressed her details over the years, and she said it 104 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.439 was it was like a pencil, like a graph height, 105 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.480 a dark graphight gray, and that it seemed to be 106 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:10.079 all three sides were about equal, an equilateral triangle, and 107 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.879 there were seams where there were different parts to it. 108 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:18.199 And she said there looked like recessed circles that could 109 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:25.279 have been round lights, and her thought was, what is 110 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:30.680 keeping this up because there was no sound. It was 111 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:34.639 just suddenly there above her and there was no engine 112 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:39.360 or noise or anything like that. In that second which 113 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.120 she looks up and she sees there was a black 114 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.160 hatch in the center of the underside of the triangle, 115 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.800 and she said it was so black. She said, she 116 00:07:49.920 --> 00:07:55.720 was looking at it and it was so completely black. 117 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:00.120 And then the next thing she remembered is that she 118 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.959 was standing there on the road, but it was night. 119 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:11.160 It was hours later, and she started walking home and 120 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.839 her parents were were putting their coats on. They were 121 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.240 going to go looking for her. They had they wondered 122 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:23.319 why she was late. They'd called her friends in the neighborhood. 123 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.360 They hadn't seen her. It was a very safe town, 124 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.800 so there was no reason to panic. But what happened 125 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:32.440 was the dog had eventually wandered back on his own, 126 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.639 and they were paniced. They were going to look for her, 127 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:36.799 and if they didn't find her, they were going to 128 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.240 the police. And just then she walks up and she 129 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:45.120 tells them this incident with the triangle, and that's all 130 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:49.879 she knows, and she stuck to her story all through 131 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:53.200 her child in good and teen years, and we were 132 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:57.639 always reminded of it. And that's where as far as 133 00:08:57.639 --> 00:08:59.519 I know, that's as far back as we could trace 134 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.480 the abductions in our family. The funny thing is when 135 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:08.159 we're being told about it, we weren't really interested. We 136 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.399 didn't have an interest in UFOs even though we were 137 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:21.039 abducted all the time. The aliens are so good covering 138 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:24.360 your memories their mind powers, right seaw. 139 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.559 Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of people out there 140 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:30.639 who were abducted to have no idea what's happened to them. 141 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.679 That's how good they are at what they do. They've 142 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.039 taken me and the middle of the day while I 143 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.159 was wide awake, and I had no idea they had 144 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:45.120 taken me, So you know, they're operating at a different level. 145 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:49.799 For sure, their ability to manipulate our minds is there. 146 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.519 It's their greatest strength. A lot of people mistakenly assume 147 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:59.000 that their greatest advantage over us is their advanced technology, 148 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.200 which is, you know, beyond human understanding. But they're wrong. 149 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.679 That's the way people think their greatest advantage from what 150 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:15.080 we've experienced over fifty sixty years is not their technology 151 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.840 as much as it is their ability to control you, 152 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:24.559 to control your mind to whatever level they want. They 153 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:28.360 this is the way they work. They'll come in your house. 154 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.840 They'll just walk in your house. They'll the aliens have 155 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:37.000 been in more homes than the Property Brothers on HGTV. 156 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.000 They're in new homes all the time. I'm surprised. They 157 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:45.159 don't comment on your decorps or your floor plan layout. 158 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.000 They just walk into your house. That's what they do. 159 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:51.080 They'll land in your backyard if they have a small ship, 160 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:54.159 or they'll hover next to your house. If they have 161 00:10:54.200 --> 00:10:59.039 a bigger ship, and they'll walk into your house. They'll 162 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:02.840 open your door and walk in, or they will they 163 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:06.919 will walk through a closed door or a closed window, 164 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:12.440 a picture window, or they can teleport in in they're in, 165 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:18.559 they teleport you back. Sometimes these beings are extremely powerful, 166 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.559 but they walk in and it doesn't matter if this 167 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:26.919 is my fifteenth abduction or my thirtieth. It's always a shock. 168 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:32.480 It's a big enormous shock because they don't let you 169 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:38.440 remember that you've been taken by them dozens and dozens 170 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.960 of times already, so every time it is a shock 171 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:45.639 to your system. These creatures walking into your house. What 172 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:50.960 are they? They're monsters, They look like insects. They don't 173 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:56.320 look like they should be able to live. I've seen 174 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:59.720 a short break walking towards the back door of our 175 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:04.080 house in an incident that Sean remembers clearly and my 176 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:07.039 mother did, and which in the middle of the day 177 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.279 they landed in a small, shallow craft that looked like 178 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.000 one of those airstream trailers from the fifties, except up 179 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:18.039 on its side, and they started walking, and in broad daylight, 180 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:21.480 I'm watching the short gray walk across our lawn and 181 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:27.360 I was ten. This was nineteen seventy three, early seventy four, 182 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:32.840 and my thought looking at this thing walking across our 183 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:37.559 lawn was that there is no way that that's real. 184 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:44.039 That thing, it can't be real. It can't really be alive, 185 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:48.440 because it went against all the rules of animals and 186 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:53.399 preachers that I see that can walk. His legs in 187 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:59.159 his arms were as thin as a broomstick, a wooden broomstick. 188 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.440 It didn't seem that there was any muscle involved. And 189 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.159 this small torso and there's a big egg shaped head 190 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:15.559 was sitting on this broomstick neck, and my mind could 191 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:22.120 not understand how that could support ahead like that. They 192 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:27.519 really didn't seem to be something that could exist, let 193 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:31.320 alone be walking across my yard at about you know, 194 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.080 eleven thirty in the morning to my door, but it 195 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:38.679 was accompanied by a tall gray and they're you know, 196 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:43.279 they look at least like something that's capable of locomotion 197 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.879 and all kinds of things. And then of course the grays, 198 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:49.759 small grays are the lower rank. 199 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:53.120 Sure, definitely, the tall grays are in charge of the 200 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:57.480 short grays. It's usually the shorter grays who deal directly 201 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:02.639 with the abductees, and the seems like the taller grays 202 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:04.679 supervise they're right. 203 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:07.399 And the small grays are like always, you know, they're 204 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.639 scared to death of making mistake and screwing up and 205 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:15.440 making the tall gray ad It's very hierarchical, it's very regimented. 206 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:19.519 But my point is they so every time you see 207 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.279 them it's a shock, even though you've seen them again 208 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.480 and again. And when they get closer, when they're inside 209 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:29.519 your house, when they're near to you, here's what they do. 210 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:34.039 They say, wait, wait, you remember me, You remember me, right? 211 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.600 And in that moment, what they do is they unlock 212 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.279 your memories of them. In my case, it's always been 213 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.639 when they're pretty close, like in the room. Until then 214 00:14:46.679 --> 00:14:49.039 you're panicking. But once they get close, they go, well, 215 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:53.519 you remember me, right, and they just reach into your mind. 216 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.320 They open that, and not only do they they unlock 217 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:01.120 your memories, and they unlock all your memories point so 218 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.279 you remember everything you've done together. And why do they 219 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.559 do that? I think a part of it is so 220 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.639 they don't have to answer the same questions a one 221 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.200 hundred times every time they take you. And another thing 222 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.919 is I think they unlock them so that you are 223 00:15:17.039 --> 00:15:20.200 up to speed on what they do and what you're 224 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:25.639 expected to do and what's ahead during the abduction, so 225 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.519 it's not you know, and I'm not. 226 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:29.480 Starting from scratch every time. 227 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.759 Right, They don't have to right repeat themselves again and again. 228 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:36.759 And they like you to be ambulatory. They don't like 229 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:39.799 they don't want to carry you. They like it so 230 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.399 you walk out when they tell you to when you 231 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:44.919 get on the ship and you're cooperative, so they reach 232 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.519 into your mind they go wait, wait, and they unlock 233 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:52.879 all your memories. But they also make you like overly 234 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.720 friendly to them, so they say wait, wait or not 235 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:58.720 mean you go. I mean, of course I remember you guys, 236 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.399 they know full well you don't remember because they manipulated 237 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:07.919 you to not remember. Like, there's still nothing weird about 238 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:12.799 having a room full of you know, telepathic monsters and 239 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:17.080 these brain powers. It is their mind controllability that enables 240 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.720 them to to abduct everybody. 241 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.600 Right, sure, Yeah, they'd have a lot more trouble if 242 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:24.480 they couldn't do that. 243 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.639 Yeah, because everyone who wakes up, they're going away to 244 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.600 the police or the state police, or the National Guard 245 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.960 or the air force base. And if everyone was abducted 246 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.200 to that, how many is that a day running to 247 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.600 the police. So they don't let you remember until they 248 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.360 want you to remember, and then of course when they 249 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.639 drop you off again, you forget everything. So next time 250 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.679 they show up, it's a It gives your heart attack 251 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.399 all over again, and then they're like, oh you remember. 252 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:58.360 So that's their great power. They also, you know, can 253 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.600 control your movements. If you're thinking of running, they just 254 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.279 think about it, and they hear your thoughts as quick 255 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.599 as you think them. They will paralyze you where you stand. 256 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.920 I mean, I don't blame them. We were pretty violent 257 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:20.519 and we don't approach a tiger in the woods without 258 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:25.119 you know, hitting them with the trank gun first. But Sean, 259 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.359 actually he hated to be paralyzed, and you worked out 260 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.119 a deal with a grace. Yeah. 261 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.920 You know, as a child, they were coming for, you know, 262 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:42.039 me all the time, and the worst part for me, 263 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:45.960 and still is the worst part, is being paralyzed by 264 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.960 them when they show up. So as a child, I 265 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.279 told him, I said, oh, well, I use the word 266 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.240 freeze because I was a child and that's what you 267 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:01.799 associate paralyzation with. So I asked them if they wouldn't 268 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:04.880 freeze me anymore, and they said, so long as I 269 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.599 did what I was told, they wouldn't do it anymore. 270 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.680 So they were true to their word up until recently anyway, 271 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.839 where when they would come in, they wouldn't even paralyze me. 272 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.640 They would just wake me up and tell me it's 273 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.839 time to go and maybe have some small talk, that 274 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.240 type of thing. So I wasn't paralyzed by them for 275 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:28.920 a good chunk of my life. 276 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:31.720 It was much different with me. I mean, Sean and 277 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.920 I had vastly different experiences. You know, I had had 278 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.039 a ton before he was born. But they love Sean, 279 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:44.400 Sean Sean's the kind of guy and he had the 280 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:50.240 right attitude. I was resistant, you know, lazy. I did not. 281 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:52.839 You know, they tell me we've got to go over here, 282 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.160 we got to go over there. I'm like, I'm slow walking, 283 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:57.880 you know, because I'm not into it at all. But 284 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:00.960 you saw it more as like I thought. 285 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.519 Like cool as a child, you know, you're these guys 286 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:04.960 are showing up in the middle of the night. 287 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.279 I didn't know they were aliens. I just knew it 288 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:08.559 was weird, you. 289 00:19:08.440 --> 00:19:12.559 Know, they'd come and get me, and you know, it 290 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.119 was just a strange experience that I knew was weird 291 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:22.119 and strange and kind of exciting. So I didn't didn't 292 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.680 resist really when they came to get me. 293 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:28.720 So, yes, we've we've had a lot of different experiences. 294 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:33.480 And they treated strong better. They like him. They they 295 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.960 taught Sean how to do things. He was much more 296 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.920 involved than I was. But but they came a lot. 297 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:45.640 They didn't always come at night. They've taken us in 298 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.160 the middle of the day, taken us out of vehicles 299 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:50.200 on the road. 300 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.880 They even took me one time, uh, you know, not 301 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:56.640 directly in front of But I had a whole bunch 302 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.960 of friends I was with right at the next door 303 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.240 neighbor's house, and they got me right in front of them. 304 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.480 They had my mother called me into the house through 305 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:12.000 their control. She came outside, called me inside. I went inside. 306 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:16.480 My parents weren't there. I searched the house looking for 307 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.279 walked right back outside, and half the kids were gone. 308 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:26.759 I said, where'd everybody go? And the one friend told me, well, 309 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.039 you were gone for like two hours? And I said, no, 310 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.319 I wasn't. I just turned around inside the house and 311 00:20:32.359 --> 00:20:35.680 came right back out, and he chuckled and laughed, and 312 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:40.000 he said, you've been going a long time. And he said, 313 00:20:40.039 --> 00:20:43.000 as soon as I had gone inside, they saw something 314 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:45.839 shoot up in the sky right over my house, like 315 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.559 a firework. So I mean, if it weren't for them, really, 316 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:51.640 I wouldn't even know it had happened. 317 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:57.920 So yeah, for whatever reason, the aliens decided to involve 318 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:03.759 our little family and their big, big plans, and in 319 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:08.000 a very deep way, they were a thread that ran through, 320 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:13.400 you know, our family tapestry. It was always there. Maybe 321 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:17.960 it was a hidden seem There were many times during 322 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:23.119 those years, even when our minds were extremely controlled, that 323 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.079 we were to some degree aware there was an incident. 324 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:29.799 Before my brothers came along, we were living in a 325 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.880 house where they had taken us quite a bit. They 326 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.599 started taking me with my mom in nineteen sixty six. 327 00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:41.559 They started taking me on my own in nineteen sixty eight, 328 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:47.200 in that house before the moon landing. Bobby Kennedy was 329 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:52.640 still alive Martin Luther King. But they had come during 330 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:57.000 the night, taken me, taken mom. And the next morning 331 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:01.200 Dad's at work, hardworking young guy. And my mom was 332 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:05.559 very young. They had us very young. And my mom 333 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.799 was brushing her hair in the mirror in the hallway 334 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:13.359 and I said to her, Hey, Mom, who were those 335 00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.880 people that were here last night? And my mom froze 336 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:24.680 and turned ash white and dropped the hair abrosh and 337 00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:31.680 went from this pleasant attitude to having a real emotional thing. 338 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:37.160 And she grabbed me. She leaned over, and you know, 339 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:38.920 I was a little kit I was sure, and she 340 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:43.880 grabbed me by the showhoulders and she's looking me right 341 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:47.640 in the face, much like the aliens do, you know, 342 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:52.799 right in the face, right in the eyes, and she's shout. 343 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:58.359 It's not a shout, it's like a shout whisper, kind 344 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:02.160 of like Christian and Bail did all the way through 345 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:06.839 the Batman movies, you know. And she's kind of shaken me. 346 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:12.880 She's gripping me tight. I'm like four or five, and 347 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.039 this is the tightest I've been gripped. And she's serious 348 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:20.279 and she says, we never. 349 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:26.640 Ever ever talk about them, do you understand me? 350 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:34.200 Never? And I'm like, okay, why not? And she said, 351 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:41.720 because no one will believe you. And I said, yeah, 352 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.319 but it's true, and she goes, that doesn't matter. They 353 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.640 will never ever believe you, and they will take you 354 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.839 away from me, and they will give you to some 355 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:58.480 other family and they will never let me see you again. 356 00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:02.000 So you can't tell any buddy. You can't tell your friends, 357 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:06.599 your teacher, you can't tell your your father. Do you 358 00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:12.279 understand me? And I'm like, okay, all right, you know, 359 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.000 with four solid shakes on those last words, I said, okay, 360 00:24:17.160 --> 00:24:22.039 got it. I won't all right, I promise, And then 361 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:27.559 you know she can't. She relaxed, calmed down and like 362 00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:30.119 a mother, you know, mothers always have to make it better. 363 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:35.519 And she said, you know, with her tone much more 364 00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:40.759 sympathetic and maybe looking for an upside. And she said 365 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:48.160 to me besides, they don't come for us all that much, right. 366 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:54.559 I was like, Uh, okay, if you say so. But 367 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.400 my mom was in a very hard position. I mean, 368 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.160 she knew and she knew they were taken us or me, 369 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:08.079 but she couldn't protect me. And that's what a mother does. 370 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.039 Every mother in the world at some point their kid 371 00:25:11.079 --> 00:25:14.920 has woken up from a nightmare or monsters under the bed, 372 00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:19.640 and the mom, I said, there's no such thing as monsters. 373 00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.839 You're safe. There are no monsters. There's no such thing. 374 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:29.119 And all those mothers you know, meant it and believed it. 375 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.240 But my mom knew that there were monsters and that 376 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.599 she couldn't protect us, and I think it weighed very 377 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:42.160 heavily on her for her entire adult life and longer. 378 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:46.720 Probably so part of the reason we're coming forward, that 379 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:52.720 we're writing a book about our whole family's experiences. We're 380 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:57.119 not experiencers. We're abductees. That's what we are. I mean. 381 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.039 Another reason we've come forward as we look at the 382 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.880 UFO quote unquote community, which is, you know, more like 383 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.960 a steel cage match in the old wrestling days. It's 384 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.200 not much of a community, and people like us, people 385 00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:19.000 with hundreds of memories and hundreds of hours face to 386 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:23.880 face with these beings. We know what they are and 387 00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.599 it's not good. We know what they're doing. None of 388 00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:33.640 it is good. But so many people in the UFO community, 389 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.599 I think the aliens are great. They think they're meeting 390 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.599 them out in the desert and they're having they're summoning 391 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.839 them out of the clouds, and they're aliens filled with 392 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:51.519 love and enlightenment. But whatever they're doing out there, they're 393 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:54.519 not dealing with these real aliens. All those people who 394 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:59.119 talk about ce five and psionics and contact in the desert, 395 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.759 they will tell you that these if they refer to 396 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.960 them as aliens or beings, they'll tell you they don't 397 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:11.880 have any bodies. They're disembodied there. It's just they're asked 398 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.759 or plane coming. And they'll also tell you they call 399 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:19.519 them ships. They claim to be able to summon ships. Okay, 400 00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:24.160 well make one land, Okay, what are you wrestling them 401 00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:28.759 for control? They even admit that these are not like 402 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:34.880 physical metallic ships. And that's how the gray and mantis 403 00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:40.039 aliens come for us, and metal ships and they take 404 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.119 us and they have physical bodies. It's as real as 405 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:49.480 getting arrested. My point is that those of us who 406 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.440 have had abductions and know them to be negative for 407 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.559 the most part, you know, it's never okay to kidnap children, 408 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.720 right sure, And that's what they do. They come in 409 00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.119 the night and they walk in your house and they 410 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.559 take your children or your sister or your mother. They 411 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:09.920 just take you whenever they want, and they turn you 412 00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:14.519 into slaves and walk you out. I'll tell you what 413 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.839 to do, and you do it in my And there's 414 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.039 a lot of people who make apologies for them, alien apologists. 415 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.599 They're like, oh, well, you know, maybe they don't know that, 416 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.480 you know, going into people's houses and absconding with their 417 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.279 offspring to perform medical procedures on they don't know that 418 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.720 could be wrong, to which I say that these aliens 419 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:44.839 are in your mind. They know everything you know, and 420 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.680 they know how you feel, and they know what emotional 421 00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:53.720 reaction you're having. So they know full well that that 422 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:58.039 what they're doing is is not for our good. And 423 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.079 they do it in secrecy. 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Believe any of it, but he said, 450 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.240 you've been taking plenty. Don't you remember the time that 451 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:15.119 Mom screamed? And he said they came back? Why do 452 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.920 they always come back? And at that point I joined 453 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.000 him to finish the third part of it. Why do 454 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:26.759 they always have to come back? Or Mom scream that right, 455 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.200 not like I yell. It was a piercing, just scream 456 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:37.839 of absolute terror. And in that moment, it was like 457 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.960 it was like a bowling ball in the face. Whatever 458 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.359 was stuck in my mind was unstuck, and all the 459 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:52.000 memories were mine again, not all I have, No, I 460 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:55.480 seriously doubt the things I remember are everything that happened 461 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:59.799 to me. But I remember quite a few incidents and 462 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.559 some very strange things. But yeah, so our ma, she 463 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.920 was we were at home. It was our school was 464 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.000 on spring break, so we weren't at school, And at 465 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.839 about eleven o'clock I was starting lunch in the kitchen 466 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.519 with a view of the backyard. We were in the 467 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:21.359 living room watching syndicated television, like at that point it 468 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.279 was like Gilligan's Island and Get Smart and the Monsters. 469 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.519 And my mom screamed, she's in the kitchen. She's running water, 470 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:33.799 and she screams first, and I thought she maybe burned 471 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:37.079 her hand, like she was doing something with hot water 472 00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:43.279 making spaghetti. That's when she said the phrase, right, yeah, 473 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.279 she and she screamed in terror. And so I'm getting 474 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.680 off the couch and walking to the to the kitchen. 475 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.960 I'm like, who came back? And I passed through the 476 00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.039 dining room. In the way to the kitchen, we had 477 00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:01.319 a big, giant picture window, and there, walking across the 478 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.000 lawn was that gray that I did not think could exist. 479 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.680 And the tall gray was heading for the back door, 480 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.920 and a third, a short gray, was by the craft's 481 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:17.839 open hatch, and I could see the tall gray. The grays, 482 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.440 I've seen them in cloaks, the tall ones, not the 483 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.319 short ones. They're not really gray. 484 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.759 Yeah, if that term hadn't already been out there, I 485 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.960 wouldn't refer to them as being gray. To me, it's 486 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.200 they're more white, you know, it's almost a pure white. 487 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.480 At times, it looks like Chris says, there's a little 488 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.680 bit of gray to them. 489 00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.519 Tiny bit like along the sides of the shadows, of 490 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:46.359 the contours. When I was a real little kid, I 491 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:49.599 thought they looked like ghosts. Yeah, that makes sense, because 492 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.559 they had often had a cloak on covering most of 493 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.119 their body, and they're so white with these big black eyes. 494 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.960 I thought the ghosts. Because they've been in our lives 495 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.279 since I mean, I was three years old, man, My 496 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.680 earliest memories are memories of aliens, and that's, you know, 497 00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.599 not a good thing. It shouldn't be that way. And 498 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.760 you remember them because they were so out of the ordinary, 499 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:18.079 you know, terrifying in some ways. I would describe the 500 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:23.440 tall gray skin as being like the belly of a fish, 501 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.199 just that kind of white, like a cold white, like 502 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.960 you didn't get any sense that beneath its skin there 503 00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.559 were like they were pumping warm blood around, very cold, 504 00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.199 kind of dead looking, but they're very much alive. We 505 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:42.760 know things about the Grays that a lot of people 506 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:46.719 don't talk about, like the way they talk to you. 507 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:50.920 Oh absolutely, It's not just the fact that they use telepathy, 508 00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:56.119 it's the way they literally talk. Sounds just like a 509 00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:01.320 coworker would talk to you. They will use the same 510 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.639 type of phrases that we use. They will use conjunctions, 511 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:11.519 they will slang attractions, interractions like when I was startling 512 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.039 them that time, when I was going to wake you up, 513 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:16.679 they said, we're. 514 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.320 Gonna get caught, not going to When they are in 515 00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.360 your head, they know everything about you. You're not. They 516 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.480 don't read you like a book. They read you like 517 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.239 a fly or someone will hand you on the street 518 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.280 that quickly. They just know everything about you. And they 519 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:39.000 speak to you with the same accent, the same vernacular, 520 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:44.400 the same lack of accent to us that everyone speaks 521 00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:48.760 to you in your daily life. They're so good about it. 522 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.719 You didn't see them, you would assume it was a 523 00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:55.760 human being talking to you. That's how familiar they are 524 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:58.960 with you know, at least the English language. That's what 525 00:35:59.000 --> 00:35:59.840 I can attest to. 526 00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:03.079 Yeah, I'm sure wherever they go, they're just as adapt 527 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:06.119 as reaching into anybody. That's the way they are. Man. 528 00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.840 And they're so good. And here's another thing. Yeah, they're 529 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:16.679 kidnapping you, absolutely, violating your mind to make you a 530 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:26.119 placid and compliant. But they're usually quite polite. They can 531 00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:32.639 be very they're very professional. It's not like they're chattering 532 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.639 their teeth and drooling at the thought of, you know, 533 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:41.920 eating your flesh. They are like, they're all business and 534 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.840 it's kind of like you know the one. They have emotions, 535 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:51.400 both tall grays and the short grains, right, Yeah, absolutely, 536 00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.960 they have all the emotions that we have. You know, 537 00:36:54.000 --> 00:37:00.000 I've seen them angry. I've seen them a little bit excited. 538 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.159 I've seen them proud of a hybrid child they made 539 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.559 out of me that they wanted to introduce me to. 540 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.800 But the most the emotions I see from the most, 541 00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:16.719 I kind of say, are boredom. They're very much it's 542 00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.239 a job for them. This is not like some you know, 543 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:24.320 ritual or event. This is their their business. This is 544 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.559 it's like you're in a dental office. Okay, they take 545 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.920 you and it's your turn, and they're like, okay, through 546 00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.400 the through the door on the left there. And they 547 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.639 have a very tight schedule. Yeah, they're surprising and and 548 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.440 they're individuals. We've heard them argue with each other. 549 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.679 Sure, the short gray does something the tall gray disapproves of, 550 00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.360 you know, he lets them know. And the short grays 551 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.320 are quite intimidated by the tall gray. There's no question 552 00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:01.159 as to who's running the operation, and they're literally intimidated 553 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:02.599 by him, so. 554 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.559 That I've heard Short Grace argue about They argue, but 555 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.800 not about the big picture. They were all on board 556 00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.360 for their task, but they would argue, what's the quickest, 557 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.599 most efficient way to do this? And I think we 558 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.440 should do this, and I think we don't have time 559 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:21.039 for that. But it's all a part of serving their 560 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.360 purpose better. But they have very different personalities. Some of 561 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:32.800 them can be very kind, yeah, very kind. They can 562 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.000 care about how you're feeling, right, They can tell when 563 00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.400 you're upset. Yeah. One time I was. 564 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.800 They came to get me and they woke me upset, 565 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:46.639 it's time to go. And I was upset about something 566 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.760 and the one knew I was upset and asked me 567 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:55.960 what was wrong, and I told him, and he told 568 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.239 me not to worry about it, and even told me 569 00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:01.679 something that would happen in the future. But I won't 570 00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.000 discuss it. Really, just to make me feel better. And 571 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.679 oh my god, did that piss off the tall gray. 572 00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:14.599 He could not believe he told me what he had 573 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.519 and he got right up what he said out loud. Well, 574 00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.119 I say it's out loud but telepathically. He said, what's 575 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.880 going on over there? Which was his way of letting 576 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:29.840 the shorter Grays know that he doesn't really approve of 577 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.559 what's happening. You know, he's fully aware of what's going 578 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.159 on over there. It was just kind of his catchphrase. 579 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.960 And then he walked over to the alien who told me, 580 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.039 and he got right in his face and he's just 581 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:48.199 projecting this. Are you stupid at him? 582 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:48.599 Boy? 583 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:53.000 That shorter Gray knew he was in trouble. And I 584 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:56.280 asked him when that future event would happen, and he 585 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.800 just simply said, I can't. Meekishly, he's like, I can't. 586 00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:03.800 And yet that prediction he gave you, sean that was 587 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:07.320 in the early eighties, right, and that did it come 588 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:08.159 to pass? 589 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.400 It sure did? Yeah, And it wasn't a prediction. He 590 00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:13.880 knew it was happening and. 591 00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.119 It was rather unlikely even though it's already come to pass. 592 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:18.239 You're not comfortable. 593 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.760 Just yeah, I don't really want to discuss what exactly 594 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:27.159 it was. It's something you would not expect them to 595 00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:33.199 have any idea about it, but they were one correct. 596 00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:37.320 Just raises more questions than it answers. But I've had 597 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:42.639 them argue over me. Once they were taking my family 598 00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:46.079 in a smaller craft, and my mother and my brothers 599 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.960 were completely in trance, and in the seats they put 600 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.000 them in, it wasn't really a seat. It was a round, 601 00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:57.199 padded seat with a pillar that was padded so all 602 00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:59.480 the way around. You know, you could have people sitting 603 00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:02.800 there and one of them and it just kind to 604 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.840 kind of bar that lower it almost like like a 605 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:10.440 roller coaster, you know, just kind of a guide so 606 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.800 you don't fall out when you're in the trance. But 607 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:17.679 I was, for whatever reason, I was more alert. And 608 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:20.719 you know, when you're under their sedation, they take away 609 00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:23.800 a lot of your emotions. They like you kind of 610 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.320 in a pleasant trance. So they take away your anger, 611 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.440 they take away the fear. But one thing that they 612 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.679 don't really take away is your curiosity. There's been so 613 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.199 many times I'm like, so this time the ship lifts up, 614 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:46.360 and I slip out under the bar and I want 615 00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:50.400 to go over and look out the window, and and 616 00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.840 one of them screams. One of them turns around and 617 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.920 screams angryally, what is this one doing? 618 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:57.360 Up? 619 00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.079 One? And back one? Two of them were working the 620 00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.239 ship whatever that tanks. Third one comes over, it puts 621 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:08.039 me back, and the one who didn't in a minute, 622 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.599 it's all we're going. And the first one, the one 623 00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:14.719 who didn't scream at me. And when you screamed it 624 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.679 me Listen. You don't just feel their words in your head. 625 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.800 You feel you feel their emotions at you. 626 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.280 Sure at times, not with everything they say, but if 627 00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:26.239 they're angry or what have you. And it's also funny 628 00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.840 you're talking about the screaming at you. Yeah, they're using telepathy, 629 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.239 which doesn't really make any sound, but you hear certain. 630 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.800 Words louder than others. 631 00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.679 If they're projecting it louder, you hear it louder in 632 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:46.400 your head. For me, it sounds just like they're saying 633 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.119 it out loud, but directly into your head, kind of 634 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.119 like using headphones instead of speakers across the room. The 635 00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.719 noise isn't going from the speaker all the way across 636 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.440 the room to your ear. It's being transmitted directly into 637 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.920 your head. But it sounds just like a normal voice. 638 00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.039 Yeah. I hate to think how loud they could be 639 00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.639 if they wanted to in your head. But on this occasion, 640 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.119 so the one who didn't scream at me. He said, 641 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.559 why is this one up in anger hitting me in waves? 642 00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:22.039 The other one the ship is stabilized or whatever it is. 643 00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:25.559 So he turns to me and he says, so why 644 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.519 did you get up? What were you trying to do? 645 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.840 And I said, I've never been in an airplane and 646 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.800 I wanted to see what a city looked like from above. 647 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.079 And he says to me, like they'll use the word 648 00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:42.599 well a lot. That said me, well, we don't really 649 00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.079 go up, and he said, we do go up a little, 650 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:49.960 but then we go down. And the other one whould 651 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:53.320 yell at me already turns and screams at is code violot. 652 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:57.559 He's like, shut up, what are you doing? 653 00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:02.159 We don't tell them that, you know, we don't tell 654 00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.119 them anything. What are you doing telling them that? And 655 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.639 the nice one said come on, And it was just 656 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:14.840 that's the way I heard it, not come on or 657 00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.840 I disagree. It's like, come on. He said, the kid's curious, 658 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.239 all right, that's a good thing, right And besides he's 659 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.039 not gonna remember any of this anyway. And the other 660 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.239 one said, well, just don't got it. 661 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:34.320 And that's another detail is when they are talking to 662 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.599 each other, you can hear it still in your head. 663 00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.280 It's not like they have to direct to you specifically 664 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:46.639 what they're saying. You will overhear it, quote unquote. And 665 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:50.679 they're talking to each other in the same way they 666 00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:54.960 would talk to you, you know, for us it's English. 667 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:59.440 Yeah, they're arguing like you know, two people from New 668 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:03.559 York and the vernacular. Everything is right. But I have 669 00:45:03.679 --> 00:45:07.039 seen like a couple of tall grays like I'm there 670 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.599 and they look at each other and I get the 671 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.639 feeling that they were having a private conversation that they 672 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.880 don't want me to hear. So I think they have 673 00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.440 that capability, and who knows what about aliens, but they 674 00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.559 are telepathically linked to each other and they're in each 675 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:26.440 other's mind and they can communicate it for great distances 676 00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:31.320 with headquarters or a bit major check like one of 677 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.320 them will say, oh, just got word, we gotta get 678 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.800 going or something like that. And I hate to use 679 00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:39.480 the word hive mind because they're so far from like 680 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.440 the borg. They are individuals. Yeah, they have an individual thought, 681 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:46.920 but I don't think they have a lot of privacy 682 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:50.960 in there. I think everybody can hear them, and I think, 683 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:55.320 like I don't know, I think they're workers in their drones, 684 00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.920 and it's very hierarchical and rigid. They don't really have 685 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:05.639 of like movies or Taco Tuesdays, or they don't appreciate 686 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:10.000 any of our cultures. They're not about that. I believe 687 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.119 they look at us as a as a resource. 688 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:18.920 So okay, so take us back to the earliest thing 689 00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.280 that you remember. You fought to yourself. This isn't right, 690 00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.519 this is a bit a bit strange. Chris. You're the 691 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:26.800 older brother, I'm sure, and you were born in what 692 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.840 nineteen seventy, right, Chris? Can you take us back to 693 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.280 the first memory that you have, please? 694 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.280 Well, you know, the first couple ones. I was quite young. 695 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:41.880 I'm like three, but I can There was an incident 696 00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.280 when I was It was just before I was going 697 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.480 into kindergarten, a couple of weeks before that, so I 698 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.639 was maybe two months from the age of five, and 699 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:52.519 that was the first time they came from me alone. 700 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.840 My parents worked hard and they went to bed at 701 00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:58.679 a normal hour, but for whatever reason, I was a 702 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.199 night oul. I was constant, always the last one away, 703 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:04.639 and it was just the three of us at that point, 704 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:08.039 and we were living in a house just three blocks 705 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.960 off of Historic Broadway. It was a Victorian townhouse that 706 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:17.320 had been divided into a couple of apartments, and it 707 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.920 was owned by my godmother, and so she let family 708 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.880 live there. And one night I'm in my room upstairs, 709 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.440 the last person awake. My parents had bought me a 710 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.079 little eight inch black and white TV just to keep 711 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:36.000 me out of their hair, you know, keep me in 712 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.320 my room. So I'm up there and I'm watching I 713 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:40.440 believe it might have been if I had to say 714 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:45.159 it was like an original, it was either a Hawaii 715 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:52.119 five Oho or maybe Mannix some terrible detective shows. And 716 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.719 what happened was, I'm in the room and a red 717 00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:00.639 light comes through my window at a forty five degree angle. 718 00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.239 And it wasn't a light. It was like a laser light, 719 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.039 but it was like three feet wide. It was the 720 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.000 width of the window, is what it was. That was 721 00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:13.840 the limitation came in like a like a like a 722 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.440 girder of light or the and to the point where 723 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:22.280 we're hit on the floor in the wall, a quarter 724 00:48:22.320 --> 00:48:24.360 of an inch on the side of it, you know, nothing. 725 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:29.400 It was this intense, it felt solid and it landed 726 00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.559 right on me sitting in my chair, and I knew 727 00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:39.000 something was very very wrong, and and I trost. I 728 00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.119 didn't want to move. I don't know what it is. 729 00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.400 I thought if I just sit still was the best. 730 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.519 I'm trying to, you know, reason this situation out. And 731 00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:53.159 after a minute the light went out and I scrambled 732 00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:55.920 on of the chair my bed, which was against the 733 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.119 wall next to the window, and I peered out. What 734 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:02.400 I saw. I looked up and above our roof it 735 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.679 looked like a old an old thirty three and the 736 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.519 third record was spinning slowly above us, a black ship 737 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.679 with a couple of lights on the on it. It 738 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.400 was a disc. And I looked at it. It was 739 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:21.480 like it was like, you know, spilling over the sides 740 00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.760 of the roof. I could only see a little bit 741 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.519 of it, and I'm like, oh boy, that's not good, 742 00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.079 you know, just this is all silent. I'm just and 743 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.360 I watched and the thing flew away, and I had 744 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.400 never been so relieved in my you know, four and 745 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.679 a half years of life. I knew what a threat 746 00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:47.320 that was. And so I'm like, oh boy. And then 747 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.679 all of a sudden, it loops around and it comes 748 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:57.159 back and it turns sideways. The disc. So now it's 749 00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:01.360 like a ferris wheel with light around the rim and 750 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.360 along the top, and it lowers itself in between our 751 00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.800 building and the building next to us, which was only 752 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.480 about twenty feet across, and it's kind of spinning. And 753 00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:17.400 I look and all of a sudden and the craft 754 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.360 is maybe ten feet off the grounds. It's right wedged 755 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.880 in there. It's ridiculous. Surely the neighbors can see all 756 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.119 this light coming into their room. But as I'm looking 757 00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.000 at it, I look, there are two short what I 758 00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.519 know now to be grays under the craft. They were 759 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:40.280 just there. They were doing something, some kind of action 760 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.800 or preparation of something, and I thought in my head, 761 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:48.280 you know, this is what I thought. Wow, I hope 762 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.679 this is not from I hope they're not here for me, 763 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.519 right And in that moment, they both looked me right 764 00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:59.000 in the eyes through that window, and I'm like, oh man, 765 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.440 they knew I was there. And so I scurried back 766 00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:09.400 again against the wall so they can't see me and 767 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.159 I can't see them. And then there's a tapping at 768 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:16.519 the window, tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap, 769 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.880 And like a stupid kid, I lean over and look 770 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.280 and it's one of them and his fingers tapping at 771 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:28.679 the window, and I'm on the second floor and he's 772 00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.679 just out there outside the window, floating, tapping at my 773 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.400 window and with the other hand like I don't hear 774 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:39.480 the telepathy at this point, not at all, and he 775 00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:44.599 gestures with a sweeping hand and to his friend who's 776 00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.719 on the ground, And the friend on the ground is 777 00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:52.039 gesturing up to the saucer and they're telling me or 778 00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.880 showing me, come on, you gotta get on this saucer. 779 00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:00.719 And I hid and they eventually sent a tall gray 780 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:06.239 and I had never seen anything like it, and he 781 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.760 was kind of floating, but his cloak and clothes were 782 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:14.480 touching the floor. There was the only sound you could hear. 783 00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:16.519 And he had to bob down a little to get 784 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:20.599 in the rather short doorway in these rooms with tall ceilings. 785 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:23.599 And he comes over to me and he does like 786 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.000 a rotation, so always see him. And then when he 787 00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.320 comes around again, I knew I had to go with him, 788 00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:35.320 and I walk out with him just like that. We 789 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:41.000 walk past my sleeping infant brother and his crib between 790 00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:44.880 us and the backstairs, and then it's time for us 791 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.239 to go down the stairs and out the back door, 792 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.840 but they were very steep stairs. They were servants stairs. 793 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:55.840 It's an old you know. Servants stairs are very steep 794 00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.840 and they're very narrow. And so I started to go 795 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.320 down and tall Gray I said, nope, you have to 796 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.760 hold my hand. And I said I could do this, 797 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.400 I do this all He is no, no, if anything 798 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:12.280 happens to you, well we have you. It's on us 799 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.159 and we're not gonna let that happen. So he held 800 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.639 my hand. He walked me down out to the backyard 801 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.519 where the other two were, and they floated me over 802 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.280 the fence. They wouldn't let me climb the fence, and 803 00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:29.039 we're under the craft like like you're standing right under 804 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:34.239 a ferris wheel, just like that. And suddenly I don't 805 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.800 know what the word would be, you just you go 806 00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:40.920 up and you're in it. And it's disorienting because I 807 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.199 went up one way, but the ship was turned the 808 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:47.880 other way. I remember being a little awful. And then 809 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.559 there's the other two and I'm standing there and I've 810 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.039 got a view of the inside of the craft and 811 00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.000 it's well lit, and it was like a tall gray 812 00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:01.519 like standing there. But we're in a perimeter hallway. Me 813 00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:05.360 and the ones that brought me up, and they go, okay, 814 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.320 you go down there. They're waiting for you. And they're 815 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.320 pointing down this dark hallway, which is, you know, a 816 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.400 big curve around the edge of the craft. And I 817 00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.639 go down and I could close and I see an 818 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.239 open door and I see, you know, it's like an 819 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.320 operating theater, and I'm not really interested. I turn around. 820 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.519 I walked back to where I came in, and by 821 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:35.079 this time, the two Grays were like talking to each 822 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.320 other like like shop talk, just they were talking all 823 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:43.199 business about you know, complaining or how about that new 824 00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.559 thing or whatever. And they see me and they're like, 825 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.719 what are you doing back here? You can go down there. 826 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:52.400 You know you've been there before, you know the way, 827 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:55.719 Just go do it. I've been there before. Well that's 828 00:54:56.000 --> 00:55:00.480 news to me, but everything is. And I went and 829 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:03.239 and there were a couple of short grays like with 830 00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:07.559 like a clanking metal equipment like a surgical thing, and 831 00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:12.039 a table like steel table. And I almost didn't see 832 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.199 him because the rest of the room was very dark, 833 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.280 only the center book, but there was a tall gray 834 00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:23.280 standing there like a cigar store Indian. And they asked 835 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:24.840 me if I could get up on the table on 836 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.119 my own, and I did, and I don't remember being 837 00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:33.639 being brought back. Sean's got more interesting things than that. 838 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:38.400 I was going on probably four years old, and I'm 839 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:43.280 only getting that year based on Chris's memory and based 840 00:55:43.280 --> 00:55:47.639 on what time we lived in that specific house, so 841 00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.079 we narrowed it down to probably it was the spring 842 00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.119 of seventy four, So I was coming up on four 843 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.280 years old, and it was that incident Chris was talking 844 00:55:57.280 --> 00:55:59.400 about where they were coming in the back door my 845 00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:03.559 mother's evening in the kitchen, their back. This was my 846 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:07.599 very first encounter that I remember anyway. Like Chris said, 847 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.039 she screamed, their back, Why do they have to come back? 848 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.400 Why do they have to keep coming back? And she 849 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.599 sprinted past us in the living room where we were, 850 00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.639 and I had no idea what she was talking about. 851 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.760 I just watched her go up the stairs and she 852 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.639 was holding another child going up the stairs. And the 853 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.639 next thing I remember out of that incident is me 854 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.960 being upstairs looking for and she was hidden into a 855 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:40.960 little crawl space, like an attic space, behind a small door, 856 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:45.440 and I remember her telling me to be quiet, and 857 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:49.719 like a loud whisper, be quiet, and she opened the 858 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:51.880 door and I came in and I was there, and 859 00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:55.039 I was couldn't have been in there more than a moment. 860 00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.480 And next thing, there's one of these gray aliens floating 861 00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:07.800 through the roof downward into the attic space, facing me directly. 862 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.320 And it was the first thing, first time they ever 863 00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.880 talked to me as far as I remember, and what 864 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:16.800 he said, and he said it in a like real 865 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:24.280 whispery voice, I'm guessing to be intimidating. He says, you 866 00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.559 can't hide from us. And that's all I remember of 867 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:33.679 that incident and who was the first thing that ever 868 00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:36.679 happened to me? And it stuck with me through my childhood. 869 00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.679 I always remembered bits and pieces of it, but I 870 00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:44.039 thought it was weird and wasn't sure exactly what I 871 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:44.760 was remembering. 872 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:48.079 It was a big one and involved everybody except my father, 873 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:52.039 and they took us to an installation. 874 00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.480 Oh yeah, I do remember actually afterward the end of it, 875 00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:00.639 coming back and talking about where we're going to hide 876 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.360 next time, and I'm thinking to myself, they just told 877 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.239 me we can't hide from them. What do you mean 878 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:06.679 You're gonna hide over here? 879 00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.400 You know? So that was. 880 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:12.599 Interesting a detail that I remember. 881 00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:17.000 Yeah, they're thig of that. A family in the middle 882 00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:23.199 of the safety of the New York and neighbor residential 883 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:23.639 neighbors with. 884 00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.599 Neighbors right right around you. I mean, hiding in an 885 00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:33.039 attic like an frank. Yeah, but it shouldn't happen. It 886 00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:36.599 shouldn't have to happen. But there was right in the 887 00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:37.480 middle of suburbia. 888 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:41.360 But when they take your memories away, at least as 889 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:45.119 much as they can, all that is lost. 890 00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:56.679 Are you intrigued by paranormal talk radio? You love the 891 00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.360 new Paranormal Radio app from talk stream Live. You'll find 892 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:06.000 a great selection of talk shows covering UFOs, ghosts, strange phenomena, 893 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:10.039 and much more. Download the Paranormal Radio app now and 894 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.239 start listening to the very best in paranormal talk entertainment, 895 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.920 including the network you're listening to right now. The Paranormal 896 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:21.159 Radio app free in Google Play and the iOS app Store. 897 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.639 And we're an advocate for so many abductees that are 898 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:35.840 swimming uphill. Even in the UFO community. Nobody believes them. 899 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.800 Nobody wants to talk to abductees. It seems like it, 900 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.440 at least at the higher end of the popularity. 901 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.880 That's right. I mean, I don't know how much you 902 00:59:46.880 --> 00:59:49.599 pay attention to these kind of politics, but all of 903 00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:55.639 the state sponsored quote unquote whistleblowers today are pushing a 904 00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:59.599 completely false narrative. In my opinion, let me say, uh 905 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:05.960 A Zando and Stephen Greer and Brush and Barber and 906 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.199 Blitch and all of them are not one of them. 907 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:13.280 It'll be a cold day in Minsk when you hear 908 01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:16.239 Jake Barbera tell you. Oh, by the way, you know, 909 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.480 aliens have been abducting American families for seventy years. They've 910 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:26.079 taken your children. Let's get to it. Let's they use 911 01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:30.519 you to create hybrids. That's what they're doing. That's it's 912 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.000 not all of what the abductions are about. Shawn contestrified 913 01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:38.960 at that there's a secret school. They tell them about 914 01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.199 the time that you were expected to perform for them 915 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:43.960 in some way. 916 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.440 Sure, you know, they used to run me through quite 917 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.320 a few tasks and things like that, and they were 918 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:55.239 more interested in what I could do with my mind 919 01:00:56.079 --> 01:01:01.159 than physical things. That I remember this one incident. I 920 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.119 was a young kid, and I was there with another 921 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:09.920 kid who I won't name, but we were on a 922 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.719 ship I'm guessing because it was a circular room, a 923 01:01:13.760 --> 01:01:17.639 pretty good sized room. Everything it looked like it was 924 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:21.559 made out of steel, And there were these in front 925 01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.599 of the other child, and in front of me there 926 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:28.079 were these racks, and on these racks were these I 927 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:31.920 called them a stick, but it kind of they looked 928 01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:38.639 like almost like a lacrosse stick, and instead of just 929 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.639 having a net on one side, each side had kind 930 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:46.440 of like a triangular What I thought, at least as 931 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.360 a child, was fire on either end of the stick, 932 01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.960 and looking back, it could have been some sort of 933 01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:59.159 electrical charge makes more sense, almost like a taser. And 934 01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:05.480 they were actually levitating off the ground and spinning around 935 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.639 as if you're looking at us spoke in a wheel, 936 01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:16.920 just as you know single spoke spinning around. And I 937 01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:19.280 didn't have any idea what I was supposed to do. 938 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:24.880 There was no instructions. As normal with them, they rarely 939 01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.440 told you what they were looking for you to even do, 940 01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:31.119 let alone how to do it. But I had no 941 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.639 idea what I'm doing. Looked like the other kid that 942 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:40.760 was there was having some success. I somehow I realized 943 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.199 they're trying to get me to control this stick with 944 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.559 my mind and it's spinning around in front of me, 945 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.280 and I didn't do it, and all of a sudden, 946 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:51.760 it came flying towards me and the one end hit 947 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.840 me on the side of the head at the ear, 948 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:59.280 I left side of the head, and it's stung. And 949 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.360 out of frustration, I asked the other kid, how do 950 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:07.920 you do it? And right after I asked that, the 951 01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:12.719 kid didn't say anything, but the alien that was standing 952 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.239 behind me, and I think he was a taller alien 953 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.360 toutched me on the top of the head with his finger, 954 01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.559 and I felt an electric charge go directly down into 955 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.800 the center of my brain and stimulate the center of 956 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:33.119 my brain like I had never felt before, as if 957 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.800 I don't know, he had jump started or ignited that 958 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.519 portion of my brain with whatever energy he sent down 959 01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.920 through his finger. And all of a sudden, I was 960 01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:49.800 able to control this stick with great ease, and I 961 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:53.719 was where the other kid just had it turning right 962 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.119 in front of him like it was before, kind of 963 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:57.920 like a wagon wheel spoke. 964 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.440 I kind of I lifted it. 965 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.800 Up further up into the air and spun it the 966 01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:09.719 other way, kind of like a boomerang, and sent it 967 01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:16.679 around the room in circles, and as it was flying around, 968 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:22.440 they stopped it in mid air, and the one behind 969 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:27.000 me says to the other, in a somewhat excited tone, 970 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.440 this is the excitement I was talking about earlier. He says, 971 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:37.559 I've never seen anything like it, and the other one 972 01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:42.599 says back to him. The words he says is, I know, 973 01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.639 as if he's agreeing with him, But he's also relaying 974 01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:53.679 to him calm down, as if you know, he wasn't 975 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:56.679 that excited, but he was telling him to calm down. 976 01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:57.840 Yeah. 977 01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.920 The other one, after he told him to calm down, 978 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:04.199 he says, the one who had touched my head says, 979 01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.239 this is what we've been doing this for the whole time. 980 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.480 I mean, I wasn't there, but Jones told me in depth, 981 01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:17.119 and it's quite an amazing thing. Nothing like that ever 982 01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:20.840 happened to me. They didn't hold me in the same 983 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:25.760 high regard. But it's it's a superpower. For God's sayings. 984 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:31.519 They allowed you to perform a feed of telekinesis with 985 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.559 their assistance, and in their presence, they activated some part 986 01:05:34.599 --> 01:05:37.360 of your brain. Yeah, that he touched you right at 987 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.440 the top of your skull, and then you could feel 988 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.440 like a straw Thingah. 989 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:49.559 It was just a very thin, straight down, concentrated shot 990 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.800 of electricity went directly to the center of my brain 991 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:56.079 or was there a bouts anyway, I can't tell you. 992 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.960 It's you know, the exact center, but what felt like 993 01:05:59.039 --> 01:06:02.440 the center of my brain and activated it, and it 994 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.880 almost felt like that part of my brain was moving 995 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:10.840 or alive for the first time, and it was a 996 01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:15.840 completely completely different feeling as if it had been dormant 997 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:18.159 all those years prior to that. 998 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.920 It would seem that particular experience had purpose. There was 999 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.719 purpose to it. Do you ever remember having to go 1000 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.679 for any trials like that? Again? Was that just a 1001 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:28.159 one off? 1002 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:32.960 Yeah, I've got another similar event for sure. 1003 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.480 They tested him, they made him developabilities. They liked Sean. 1004 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.960 He was the kind of whatever my mom had that 1005 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.679 they liked. Sean had it in spains. 1006 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:50.239 Yeah, this was another event, I'd say similar to that 1007 01:06:50.320 --> 01:06:55.960 event where I don't remember them telling me anything, but 1008 01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.159 they put me into a room and I was under 1009 01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.760 the impression that they were gonna lock me in there 1010 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.760 until I figured it out, and I didn't even know 1011 01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.199 what they wanted me to figure out. So they closed 1012 01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.679 the door behind me and there's three of them on 1013 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:14.800 the other side of the door, and there's a small 1014 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:19.519 window that they're all kind of trying to jockey for 1015 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:21.480 position to look in and watch. 1016 01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.800 And I don't know why they have. 1017 01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.400 To do that, because it seems to me like they 1018 01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:31.239 can see through solid objects if they need to. But anyway, 1019 01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:34.480 they're jocking for position in the window, and I hear 1020 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:35.880 one of them say. 1021 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:36.920 Is he going to do it? 1022 01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:40.400 So the other one said something very similar to the 1023 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.880 same thing, you think he's gonna do it? 1024 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:43.719 Or can he do it? 1025 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.760 And the third one very confidently. 1026 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:49.119 Says he'll do it. 1027 01:07:50.119 --> 01:07:52.159 So I walk in and I'm just kind of getting 1028 01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:56.760 a feel for what's in the room, and it's unlike 1029 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:58.880 the rest of the ship or at the other times 1030 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:04.320 I've seen these ships. This specific room was brightly lit. 1031 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:07.920 It had lights coming not only from the ceiling but 1032 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.880 also the walls in the floor, and I kind of 1033 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:19.000 remembered living around a corner and looking in to that 1034 01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.279 area and there was nothing over there. 1035 01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:22.880 But then there was. 1036 01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:28.119 A small table in the room and it looked like 1037 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.159 it was almost like connected to the. 1038 01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.960 Floor, and on top of that was. 1039 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:36.680 A box, and there was no. 1040 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.520 Direction as to what to do or how to do it. 1041 01:08:42.119 --> 01:08:45.199 But somehow I knew I was supposed to turn this 1042 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:50.880 box inside out using my mind, and I remember thinking, 1043 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:55.680 all right, well, how do I fold it? I pictured 1044 01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:59.279 folding it. Nothing seemed to like it would work if 1045 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:04.920 I had truck. And for whatever reason, well, let me 1046 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:07.800 just describe the box. It was basically a square box, 1047 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:11.119 maybe a foot by a foot something along those lines, 1048 01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:17.479 and it was had a white exterior. Each each panel 1049 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.760 was white on the outside of it that you could see. 1050 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:26.079 And they wanted me to turn this inside out and 1051 01:09:26.159 --> 01:09:30.479 the inside was black. And so what I just realized 1052 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:32.560 I had to do and somehow did it. I have 1053 01:09:32.640 --> 01:09:37.239 no idea. How is instead of folding any parts or 1054 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.640 turning them around, what you do is you move the 1055 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:44.560 molecules of the inside to the outside. You just kind 1056 01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:49.039 of transfer the colors. So now the color that's on 1057 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:52.960 the outside just kind of transforms onto the inside, and 1058 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.479 the color on the inside transforms to the outside, and 1059 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:01.720 it's done. And that's all I remember of that one. 1060 01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:05.960 That's you know, they never they never gave me any 1061 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.640 of these tests. They usually told me to sit down 1062 01:10:08.680 --> 01:10:12.159 and be quiet, or just to step things up. There's 1063 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.840 vast differences between the two of us, and so surely 1064 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:20.680 they're treating certain people differently with different I don't know, 1065 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:23.159 and like they have a different role for certain people 1066 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:26.039 that are that are more capable and have less of 1067 01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:29.560 a bad attitude than I do. Even though they're we're 1068 01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.520 coming from the same house, four of us taking taken 1069 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.079 out of that house time and time again, and actually 1070 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.800 it was five different houses. You know that they follow 1071 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.600 you around town. 1072 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:44.560 At the very least, maybe you could could could try this. 1073 01:10:44.640 --> 01:10:48.239 Have you ever tried doing any any tests or anything 1074 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.880 to see if these bits still reside with within you 1075 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.840 or both of you? Really you could this is something 1076 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.720 both of you could do to get try like the 1077 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:58.920 Xena test that the cards with the squiggly lions and 1078 01:10:58.960 --> 01:10:59.960 triangles and all that. 1079 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:04.279 Well, for me, no, I have no abilities like that. 1080 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:06.439 You know, when like my bank gives me the six 1081 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:10.840 digit code to get into my account, I get every 1082 01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:12.880 number wrong. I think, Okay, it's gonna be four, It's 1083 01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:17.119 gonna be four seven, you know, nine zero. I have 1084 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.600 no abilities like that. I mean, I have certain talents, 1085 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.760 but this is not about It's not that for me. 1086 01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.920 I'm just afraid if I do that test, that is 1087 01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.439 going to be Bill Murray on the other end of it, 1088 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:32.560 like at the beginning of Ghostbusters where he's shocking the 1089 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:36.720 guy even though he's correct, I'm sorry, you're way wrong. 1090 01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:39.800 Well, to be honest with you, even if you score 1091 01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:44.960 completely zero in a Xena test, that also shows something 1092 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.359 because generally people would will get a few right and 1093 01:11:49.119 --> 01:11:52.880 few and a few wrong. So there is baselines the test, 1094 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:54.760 but I would definitely give it a go. 1095 01:11:55.319 --> 01:12:00.079 I'm out here, Sean and I differ a lot of aspects, 1096 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:04.600 but I'm here to warn people about these aliens. They 1097 01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:08.119 are here and they are up to no good, and 1098 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:13.119 they don't treat people like we have the right to 1099 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:17.800 control our bodies and our reproduction. They don't think we 1100 01:12:17.840 --> 01:12:20.760 have the right to control our own minds even though 1101 01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:24.000 they're taking our bodies. They don't want you thinking clearly, 1102 01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:27.479 and they will move you or make you do what 1103 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:31.920 they want. They take you against your will. People like Sean, 1104 01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:37.720 you know, experiencing great things. But I'm just going to say, 1105 01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:41.840 purpose of these abductions, Apart from people like Sean and 1106 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.880 other you know, people who are gifted or or of 1107 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:51.479 a higher level of interest, these are about hybridization. They 1108 01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:57.720 are they are creating hybrids, and they don't ask your 1109 01:12:57.720 --> 01:13:01.840 permission and they just do it. And then they own 1110 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:06.880 your offspring as if they were cattle. And they kind 1111 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:09.880 of read us like livestock. They don't really see it 1112 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:14.079 that way, but it's for their purposes, not for ours. 1113 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:19.920 And I say it because I was introduced to a 1114 01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:22.560 hybrid child of mind. 1115 01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:28.800 So I was introduced to what would be described as hybrids. 1116 01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:33.439 Although I was that term wasn't used. They didn't really 1117 01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:36.600 tell me where they were from or anything like that. 1118 01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:42.119 But I met four all together, and the only thing 1119 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:46.800 that was said one of them said thank you. I 1120 01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.479 was actually in my bedroom. I couldn't have been too 1121 01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:54.680 old and probably maybe a teenager, and I don't even 1122 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.800 remember the setup, but all of a sudden, my bedroom 1123 01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.319 wall just kind of disappeared as if it wasn't there, 1124 01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:07.640 and there were these four beings that could be described 1125 01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:12.439 as hybrids. Again, they didn't use the term standing there 1126 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.479 like on the other side of where the wall would be, 1127 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.600 but it was just kind of almost like somebody had 1128 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:19.840 a fog machine rolling and they were just standing there 1129 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.600 and there was an awkward silence, and the one on 1130 01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:27.640 my far right, which would have been there far left, 1131 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.119 just said thank you, and they were looked like they 1132 01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.479 were holding hands, possibly because I remember I was young 1133 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:38.039 enough to think they almost looked like those old barrel 1134 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.720 of monkeys they used to sell way back in the 1135 01:14:40.760 --> 01:14:44.399 seventies and where the arms entered with the arms and locked. 1136 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.399 So I thought it was strange and a little awkward. 1137 01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.960 But they said thank you, Yeah, one said thank you. 1138 01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:54.840 There felt like there was some connection. But I have 1139 01:14:54.920 --> 01:14:58.239 no idea what they were, where they came from. And 1140 01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.840 they were children for me to say how old they were, 1141 01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:06.199 you know, they looked like they were full size. They 1142 01:15:06.199 --> 01:15:10.039 were the size of a short gray anyway, they didn't 1143 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:14.720 appear to be children and to me, but they could 1144 01:15:14.720 --> 01:15:15.039 have been. 1145 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.840 So that they had a mixture of features. 1146 01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:19.800 Hard for me to say exactly. 1147 01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:23.079 I couldn't tell you exactly what their eyes looked like, 1148 01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.560 but they they almost looked a little more pinkish, so 1149 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:30.640 they did have more of a human flesh tone. Almost 1150 01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:34.920 I would say, almost looked a little bit like et 1151 01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.279 to an extent, not exactly what his head looked like 1152 01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:41.279 and stuff, but yeah, a little bit different than the 1153 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.520 straight up white gray aliens. That I was used to. 1154 01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.720 Okay, Chris, was this a similar experience for you? 1155 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:52.079 Not so much, But this is one of the big 1156 01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:56.279 experiences for me. It was nineteen seventy nine. I'm like 1157 01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:01.399 sixteen going on seventeen, and we're they're bringing me back 1158 01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.640 from an abduction. It's an abduction where they took me 1159 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:08.239 on a smaller ship to this big ship we're on 1160 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:13.319 and they're walking me out and there's a lot of activity. 1161 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.279 There's you know, other grays, short guys, tall grays, other 1162 01:16:17.359 --> 01:16:21.239 abductees moved this way that way, and as we're walking 1163 01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:23.600 along the corridors, there's a lot of me telling you, 1164 01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:26.159 there's a lot of walking on an abduction, all right, 1165 01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:27.439 where your sneakers to bed. 1166 01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:29.720 It's like a Lord of the Rings movie, it is. 1167 01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:32.079 Right, Yeah, it's huge, just that you've got to walk 1168 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:35.159 all over the place this way, that way. We're going 1169 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:39.640 over here, going over there. It's that's probably why they're 1170 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:44.039 so thin, right, yeah, exactly. But they've got really long legs, 1171 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:46.720 so you've got to keep up with them. And they're 1172 01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:49.680 walking me back, but they're actually walking me to a 1173 01:16:49.720 --> 01:16:52.520 more desolate part of the ship. We start to see 1174 01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:55.520 less people start to see no people. We start to 1175 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:59.680 see lower lighting, and we start to see the curve 1176 01:16:59.720 --> 01:17:03.840 of the getting more tight, like we're moving towards the 1177 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:07.640 center of a very big round craft. I can't say 1178 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:10.960 for sure, but as we're walking we kind of stop. 1179 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:15.680 There's no one around. I haven't seen anyone for you know, 1180 01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.359 five minutes of walking, and one of the grays says 1181 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:23.199 to me, and this is exactly how he said it. 1182 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:28.520 I'm telling you, these guys they talk exactly like they 1183 01:17:29.640 --> 01:17:32.439 like another person would. And the one gray, I mean 1184 01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:35.079 there's two of them. Usually if you're with two tall grays, 1185 01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:37.119 one of them does the talking. The other, you know, 1186 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:40.520 nods a lot like one of them does the talking 1187 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:44.920 for both of them. And we stop in this more desolate, 1188 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:50.960 unused part of the ship, narrow hallway about five feet 1189 01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:54.119 across with lighting only on the bottom the sides of 1190 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:58.880 the walkway and another walkway coming off into the dark 1191 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:05.479 that curves perpendicular but curved, and the tall gray says 1192 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:10.920 to me, hey, and that's exactly how he's at it, 1193 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:16.399 Just like that. He goes, hey, we were wondering if 1194 01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.399 you would do it's a favor, And that's how he 1195 01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.840 said it. Just like a friend, buttering you up or 1196 01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:27.079 being sly about asking you, that's how well they understand us. 1197 01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.159 And hey, we were wondering if you would do as 1198 01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.279 a favor and I said, I'm under control, right And 1199 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.520 I said sure, what is it? And they said, well, 1200 01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:43.079 they say that a lot when they're preparing you for something. 1201 01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:48.439 Said well, somebody would like to meet you, and I 1202 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:52.439 said sure, and I'm like, who wants to meet me? 1203 01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:55.800 Nobody on Earth wants to meet me. I mean, you know, 1204 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.560 I don't care if it's you know, Darth Vader. Let's go, 1205 01:18:59.279 --> 01:19:01.760 but I said, and they go, oh great, yeah, he said, 1206 01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:04.800 we have just a couple of minutes extra to get 1207 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.520 you back. And they never have any minutes extra. They're 1208 01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:12.000 very tight about their time. But so, yeah, so who 1209 01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:15.359 wants to meet me? I said? And he said, well 1210 01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:24.039 he's one we made from you, and oh, we really 1211 01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:29.600 like this kid. He's smart, he's funny. Well that might 1212 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.239 be my kid. No, he's not funnier than I am, 1213 01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:37.680 but he's smart, he's funny. He he lifts everybody up 1214 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:42.560 in his work group. He doesn't bring anybody down. He 1215 01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:47.600 lifts everybody up, and everybody works harder and everybody likes him, 1216 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:52.479 and we try to reward him. And every time we 1217 01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:54.920 ask him, what would you like? How can we reward you? 1218 01:19:56.000 --> 01:20:01.720 He wants to meet his earth dad. I know it 1219 01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:07.000 sounds like a bad NBC sitcom from the eighties, but 1220 01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:11.680 that's exactly what he said to me. He wants to 1221 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.960 meet his earth dad. And they said, we tell him no. 1222 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.119 Every time, we tell him no again, and that's all 1223 01:20:20.119 --> 01:20:24.399 he ever asks for. And this time, you know what, 1224 01:20:24.439 --> 01:20:29.680 we said, yes, So if you know, if you're going, 1225 01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.039 if you're willing, that's what we're gonna do. And I said, yeah, 1226 01:20:33.199 --> 01:20:35.840 I'm sedated, you know what I mean, but I'm less 1227 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:38.960 sedated than normally. When they're walking you in and out, 1228 01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.720 you're really in a trance. But they wanted me to 1229 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.600 be able to talk and to understand what they're saying 1230 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.720 to me, so they lower your level of sedation. They 1231 01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:54.000 never you never completely awake and alert in their presence. 1232 01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:58.479 You'd go nuts, you'd run, you trying to hit them, 1233 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:03.520 you scream, but they get lowered my level of sedation, 1234 01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:09.800 so I was something close to coherent or loosened. And 1235 01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:14.159 they said, okay, listen, here's the deal. When he comes 1236 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:18.359 out They told me it's a you know, it's a mail, 1237 01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:22.920 it's a boy. When he comes out, he's not going 1238 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.920 to look like you, and you're going to think he 1239 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:29.760 looks very weird. You're going to think he looks very strange. 1240 01:21:30.039 --> 01:21:36.000 You cannot think that because he is just like us. 1241 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:40.439 And if you think that, he will hear you and 1242 01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:47.840 he will be crushed. You will hurt him if if 1243 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:53.319 you think he looks weird and strange. So you cannot 1244 01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:57.800 think that, do you hear me? I'm like, yeah, yeah, no, 1245 01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:03.079 I'm serious that like we like this kit implied is 1246 01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:07.119 that we don't really care for you and you can't 1247 01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:11.800 do anything that's gonna hurt him. And they said to me, now, 1248 01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:14.560 we're going to be in there with you and the 1249 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:17.000 two tall grays. And they didn't mean in the room. 1250 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:19.600 They meant in my mind. He said, we're going to 1251 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:23.279 be in there with you, helping you not think how 1252 01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:26.880 strange he looks. Okay, but we can't do it alone. 1253 01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:29.319 You're going to have to You're going to have to 1254 01:22:29.359 --> 01:22:33.760 think the same thing. You can't think it. And I'm like, okay, 1255 01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:38.159 they do you hear me? Do you got it? And 1256 01:22:38.359 --> 01:22:42.399 got it? Not have it? Yes, yes, got it. Don't 1257 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:47.039 think he's weird, like okay, and just here, we'll bring 1258 01:22:47.119 --> 01:22:51.880 him out. And nothing was spoken, but they communicated, and suddenly, 1259 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:56.880 in that dark, the dark of that opposing corridor, comes 1260 01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:03.079 out a female gray I can just tell, like a 1261 01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:08.039 nurse or a teacher. And I could sense that kind 1262 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:11.840 of role. She was shepherding this kid. And here comes 1263 01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:18.760 this kid and he comes around the corner and looks 1264 01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:25.840 at me, and he is he is beaming, okay, almost 1265 01:23:25.920 --> 01:23:29.600 as if I got like a disco ball lights shining 1266 01:23:29.640 --> 01:23:33.279 off him. You could just feel the emotion though. You 1267 01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:35.720 could feel it him beaming, and it was a mix 1268 01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:40.520 of emotions. He was, he was nervous, and he was 1269 01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:44.800 a little scared because I'm sure they tell him, you know, 1270 01:23:44.840 --> 01:23:46.560 they're like Aurella's you don't what I mean him there's 1271 01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:50.960 stupid beasts. And what was going I was getting the 1272 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:56.000 most was it was I don't know, love. It was warm, 1273 01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:04.479 deep care and joy meeting and meeting me. No, I 1274 01:24:04.479 --> 01:24:07.600 don't think anybody's a enjoy at meeting me. Some of 1275 01:24:07.640 --> 01:24:12.279 that less unpleasant reaction than others, but I never experienced that. 1276 01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:16.560 And you can feel his emotions and I didn't think 1277 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:20.000 he looked weird. You know, it's probably them in my 1278 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:26.680 head too, But I thought he looked adorable, so cute. 1279 01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:33.239 You know. Here's what he looked like. My first thought, honestly, 1280 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:38.319 is that he looked like Charlie Brown, and that he 1281 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:43.880 had a big round head, mostly bald, some stringy hair, 1282 01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:47.159 and a forelock right over his forehead, a tuft of hair. 1283 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.279 But this hair was my collar. And he had a 1284 01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:54.720 short little legs and a short body in this big 1285 01:24:54.800 --> 01:24:58.119 round head. And he was pink as well. He was 1286 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:02.720 like a pinkish flesh collar. And he reminded me Charlie Brown. 1287 01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.000 But here's another thing I could see meet in him. 1288 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:12.800 He had my kind of nose and mouth and eyes 1289 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:18.880 really sean has and comes from my mother's side. And 1290 01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:23.199 here's it in detail, all right. The eyes, the pupils 1291 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.720 were large and black, but there was a ring of 1292 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:32.479 iris around it in my collar, which is brown. And 1293 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:36.000 at the corners of the eyes you could just barely see, 1294 01:25:36.079 --> 01:25:38.560 but you could see at the corners that there were 1295 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:42.359 whites to the eyes. There were whites around the iris 1296 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.840 and the pupil. But because it was so big, and 1297 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:48.880 when we saw a little bit of that. So there 1298 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:53.840 he is, and now the aliens, they're expecting me to 1299 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:55.880 just jump into some kind of conversation. He wanted to 1300 01:25:55.880 --> 01:25:59.079 meet me, right, They didn't say here's what you can say, 1301 01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:03.800 here's what you shouldn't. This has been two minutes since 1302 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:07.239 they made me aware that I have a child of 1303 01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:10.279 some kind, and they just throw me in there. And 1304 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:13.640 I'm still sedated. So I'm a little loopy, I'm a 1305 01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:18.279 little cool. And there he is, and he's just beaming 1306 01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:20.760 up at me, and, like Sean said, a bit of 1307 01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:26.680 an awkward silence. So what I said was excuse me. 1308 01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:35.600 What I said was just empty small talk. I said, hey, great, Chris, 1309 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.159 so great to meet you. Yeah, wow, you know. They 1310 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:42.359 tell me, you know, you're doing great and your school 1311 01:26:42.520 --> 01:26:46.439 or your your job or whatever it is, and everybody 1312 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:50.960 likes I think that's so great, good for you. And 1313 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:54.439 it was so empty and stupid to say. And the 1314 01:26:54.520 --> 01:26:58.880 kid ignores it. And what he does is he points 1315 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:04.039 at me. They pointing at my chest. He's pointing at 1316 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:10.560 my shirt, and he says, who are they? Are they family? 1317 01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.439 Are they family too? Are they family that you love? 1318 01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:21.720 And I look down and I'm wearing I'm wearing a 1319 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.960 T shirt with the faces of the four Beatles on 1320 01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:30.439 it from like nineteen sixty eight, with their long hair blowing, 1321 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:34.000 standing there in profile, and I love the Beatles And 1322 01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:40.359 I said, oh no, they're They're not family there, but 1323 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:45.600 I love them. They're the Beatles. They sing. Have you ever? 1324 01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:48.840 I said, have you ever heard the Beatles? Like It's 1325 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:50.800 what a stupid thing to say. And he's like, he 1326 01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:53.319 kind of like what you could tell her. He's a 1327 01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.720 little confused. So I'm trying to actually make some kind 1328 01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:02.239 of connection. I said, what kind of music do you love? 1329 01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:08.720 And nothing? I say, I'll try another tack. Do you 1330 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:13.119 like you're like movies or comic books? I don't know. 1331 01:28:14.399 --> 01:28:17.800 I didn't. I was not really fully in control of 1332 01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:20.439 my senses, or I would have probably said things that 1333 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:25.079 made more sense. But and at this point, the grain 1334 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:28.680 nurse comes up behind the kid and the two tall 1335 01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:32.319 grays towering over my shoulders. You know, I'm try having 1336 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:37.520 two lurches like leaning over you. Well, try and be relaxed, 1337 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:40.479 have a conversation. It's not easy. They're getting ready to 1338 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:43.560 end this, so I know I got one more shot, 1339 01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:45.920 and I say to the kid, what do you do 1340 01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.800 in your spare time? What do you what do you 1341 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:53.760 do for fun? And at that point they flipped out 1342 01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.760 on me. Those grades're like, oh, okay, that's it. Whoa, 1343 01:28:57.880 --> 01:29:00.159 that's it shows over. Okay, it wasn't that fun. You 1344 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:05.800 got to meet him, and and I could feel, first 1345 01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:08.039 of all, the tall grays are mad at me, like 1346 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:12.239 like I blew it big time. And the kid is 1347 01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.399 he's going away. It's the saddest thing. I could hear 1348 01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:19.920 his thoughts and he's saying to the teacher nurse what 1349 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:25.479 was he saying? What were those things he was talking about? 1350 01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:32.479 Just completely confused And she said, oh see, that's why 1351 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:37.399 we don't interact with them. They're animals. They don't make 1352 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:42.119 any sense. Don't worry about it. And that was it. 1353 01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:44.920 For the rest of my life. They never let me 1354 01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:48.279 let me near him. And I'm just reeling at this 1355 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:52.479 whole thing. I'm still, you know, looped out, and the 1356 01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:56.760 two tall grays are glowering at me. You know, they're 1357 01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:00.520 glowering at me. They're angry that I blew this. And 1358 01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:06.279 I said, well that went pretty good, right. This is 1359 01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:09.239 exactly how he said it. He said, yeah, great job. 1360 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:16.439 He was literally using sarcasm on me. I'm telling you, 1361 01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:20.520 people will say these grains are robots or biological robots. 1362 01:30:20.760 --> 01:30:25.199 This dude knew how to hit and it was sarcasm. 1363 01:30:25.359 --> 01:30:29.159 He just he was so disgusted with me, and I'm like, well, 1364 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:34.039 but needless to say, you know, they turned my sedation 1365 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.640 way up, walked me out. I remember nothing more, but 1366 01:30:38.760 --> 01:30:42.319 for years, let me tell you, for years, I regretted 1367 01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:45.520 what I said. Did I And I played over in 1368 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.199 my mind a thousand times if I was giving five 1369 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:51.159 more minutes, no. I played over what I would say, 1370 01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:55.840 what I would do differently. I blamed myself for confusing this. 1371 01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:01.119 You know, this poor kid doesn't know what fun is, 1372 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:04.560 or spare time or have any interests of his own. 1373 01:31:06.279 --> 01:31:08.560 But I've come to realize over the past couple of 1374 01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:14.479 years that what I said to that that boy was 1375 01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:19.079 exactly what that kid needed to hear. And it's exactly 1376 01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:22.039 what they will never tell you up there. They're all 1377 01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:26.359 about work. They don't give him free time, didn't let 1378 01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:30.199 them discover what he's interested in and pursue it have fun. 1379 01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:35.079 So I think I said to that kid exactly what 1380 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:37.359 he needed to hear. 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Sign up 1388 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:13.079 right now for the free Telepath newsletter at paranormal dot Radio. 1389 01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:15.319 That's paranormal dot Radio. 1390 01:32:21.880 --> 01:32:23.960 Do you think you had a connection with him? 1391 01:32:24.239 --> 01:32:28.520 Well, you know, when you're on a ship among grays, 1392 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:32.039 you have a connection with everybody. You know, you're all connected, 1393 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:38.399 except with other abductees. But surely, yeah, I did, you know? 1394 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:40.399 And I could tell him when he was asking about 1395 01:32:40.439 --> 01:32:43.439 my shirt that what he really wanted to know was 1396 01:32:44.399 --> 01:32:49.359 do I have family out there? Is that part of 1397 01:32:50.479 --> 01:32:53.199 your family? Is that part of our family? He was 1398 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:57.359 very he said it without saying it, But I was 1399 01:32:57.479 --> 01:33:02.239 loopy and stupid and didn't really get it. So otherwise 1400 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.239 I would have said, yeah, you have family, here's who 1401 01:33:05.239 --> 01:33:06.840 you have, And in fact, you have a couple of 1402 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:11.199 them on these ships. Occasionally you have an uncle around 1403 01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:16.159 here somewhere levitating things, So look for him. I would 1404 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:17.359 love it if he had gotten away. 1405 01:33:17.479 --> 01:33:20.560 And you know, they have themselves to blame here for 1406 01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:25.560 giving you absolutely no heads up whatsoever the scenarios that 1407 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:28.960 they're putting you in. You know, even people going on 1408 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:32.399 to the More Report COVID show to find out their 1409 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:36.520 father have the heads up, right, you know, before they 1410 01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:37.560 go on the air. 1411 01:33:37.920 --> 01:33:41.479 Right, they give you listen. I'll tell you this. They're 1412 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.760 supremely intelligent and they know everything you're thinking, everything's going 1413 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:49.439 on around them. But they could be pretty goddamn stupid sometimes. 1414 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.840 Yeah, they really can't. They make mistakes, they don't account 1415 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:58.000 for things that children do. They don't understand us very well, 1416 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.640 and they can screw up in major ways. And that's 1417 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:06.199 how we know what we know because of the incident 1418 01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:09.239 in nineteen ninety six when it was it was a 1419 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:12.720 day that changed my life, all our lives, because we 1420 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:18.279 had gotten through decades of intense abductions and all these 1421 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.479 scenarios they put us through the number of. 1422 01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:29.640 Times, but we didn't know. We kind and knew sometimes 1423 01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:34.640 for a minute, but we did not know that we 1424 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:40.960 were central, central characters and whatever little part of the 1425 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:46.479 way we're at right now. But this event in nineteen 1426 01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:50.960 ninety six, where as I say, a flying saucer like 1427 01:34:51.000 --> 01:34:56.520 a big silver cliche. And you know, I hate it 1428 01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:58.479 when they make the new movies and they have to 1429 01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.039 make alien spaceships like so implicated. Sure, right, with all 1430 01:35:02.039 --> 01:35:08.319 these antennas coming off and different wings. Yeah, it strikes 1431 01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:13.840 me silly because these Grays show up in a flying saucer. 1432 01:35:13.880 --> 01:35:16.119 I mean, they have a bunch of other shapes and ships, 1433 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:19.600 but yeah, I think their go too. For us, it's 1434 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:24.199 always been a silver rotating flying saucer. 1435 01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:25.640 I've seen others, but. 1436 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:30.560 Yeah, Mom was taken into a triangle over her head 1437 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:34.560 in nineteen fifty nine. And we've had shuttle ones land, 1438 01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:38.239 but I mean the one where they took you and 1439 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.640 Dad and Mom that was kind of a disk and 1440 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.039 I see them more often than others. Oh and we 1441 01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:47.399 had a giant cylinder go over the house and broad 1442 01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:52.159 daylight fast as a bullet. It was huge and it's 1443 01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:56.279 so quick. But so we have seen We've seen a lot, 1444 01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.800 but there's nothing cliche about a saucer because that's what 1445 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:05.079 they use a lot. It works for them. Quite a 1446 01:36:05.079 --> 01:36:10.600 bit of this alien situation is like a cliche. Oh, 1447 01:36:10.720 --> 01:36:14.079 flying saucers. You mean like the movies from the nineteen 1448 01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:17.199 fifties in black and white. No, I mean like from 1449 01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:22.359 all over our house, dude. And oh you know, tall 1450 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:26.600 grays with big heads and skinny limbs. Yeah, that's what 1451 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:31.159 it is. Actually, the society as a whole, the zeitgeist, 1452 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.079 you know, even if it was through cartoonish reasons or measures, 1453 01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:41.439 has really zeroed in quite well the basic type of 1454 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:46.399 alien and basic ships they use. It's not that far off. 1455 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:50.119 And even though nobody thinks it's real, they really have 1456 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:53.000 narrowed in. And you know, it only took them seventy 1457 01:36:53.000 --> 01:36:54.880 five years. But here we are. 1458 01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:58.119 In relation to some of these beings that have played 1459 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.800 a part in your experiences, they always been the same types. 1460 01:37:01.880 --> 01:37:05.119 You've mentioned the gray several times. Have they been the 1461 01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:05.960 dominant figure? 1462 01:37:06.600 --> 01:37:11.039 Yes, absolutely, And for me, as far as I can remember, 1463 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:17.840 it's only been the short gray, the tall gray, and 1464 01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:22.000 then what could have been those hybrids there that I've 1465 01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:25.560 interacted with, and those were only the one time that 1466 01:37:25.640 --> 01:37:29.680 I recall, But it's predominantly the short grays and the 1467 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.119 tall grays, and the tall grays are always in charge. 1468 01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:38.560 So for me, that's that's it. But Chris's dealt with more. 1469 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:43.039 You also said though, that they could very like there's 1470 01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:47.359 some that are tan. There are variants even in those 1471 01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:48.279 two categories. 1472 01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:52.319 And well, I don't know whether they're literally different types 1473 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:54.840 or you know, this guy just looks a little bit 1474 01:37:54.920 --> 01:37:58.640 darker than the other ones. I don't know. And sometimes, 1475 01:37:58.680 --> 01:38:02.520 you know, the bedroom is darker than other times, you know, so, 1476 01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:07.199 but usually they seem almost bright white to me, but yeah, 1477 01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.640 there are other times where they there are ones that 1478 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:11.039 seem darker. 1479 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.319 Uh. And keep in mind that you know you're under 1480 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:17.520 their control. And what they don't like is if you're 1481 01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:20.319 staring at their faces and taking notes. They don't want 1482 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:22.239 you paying at time, that's right. They don't want you 1483 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.920 making mental notes about exactly what they look like. 1484 01:38:26.399 --> 01:38:29.720 And for me, a lot of times I noticed they 1485 01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:34.319 like to stand behind me. Whatever we're doing, they're behind you. 1486 01:38:34.560 --> 01:38:37.479 Like you know, I was a police officer, and when 1487 01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:41.800 you bring a prisoner anywhere, you walk behind them so 1488 01:38:42.079 --> 01:38:45.159 you know exactly what they're doing. They don't know exactly 1489 01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:45.840 what you're. 1490 01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:49.800 Doing very much, so they don't like you looking at them. 1491 01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:52.399 And first of all, there's a great impetus to not 1492 01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:55.119 look them in the face, because that means you're looking 1493 01:38:55.119 --> 01:38:57.720 at them in the eyes, and that is they're like 1494 01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:01.279 their strongest level of control, I believe, is when you 1495 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:05.760 make eye contact with them. But one time, they're taking 1496 01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:10.720 me somewhere on the craft and I'm thinking, clearly kind 1497 01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:14.239 of I'm in the trance, but I'm looking at the 1498 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:16.680 two aliens in front of me, and I'm looking at 1499 01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:22.039 the back of the one alien's head. You know, I'm thinking, 1500 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:25.760 I'm getting a good look here. I'm only sitting the 1501 01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:29.159 back of the head, but I could see the little 1502 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:31.079 dent to the back of the skull, kind of the 1503 01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:35.640 bumps of the low cranium, and I'm really checking this 1504 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:40.399 guy out. And I'm perfectly silent. I'm in the seat 1505 01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:45.880 they put me in in this short Gray whips around 1506 01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:52.199 from his seat at the console and screams at me, 1507 01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:59.960 stop staring at me, and just dangers of anger, you know, 1508 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:03.560 real anger hitting me. Boom, hit me in the face. 1509 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.920 And I didn't really understand at that young age how 1510 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:11.359 he knew, but he knew I was staring at him, 1511 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:15.479 and he so, yeah, there's you know, And I will 1512 01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:17.800 go on to say that. I think in Sean grees 1513 01:40:17.840 --> 01:40:24.239 that often it's the same aliens handling you. Yeah, through years. 1514 01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:28.000 Yeah, you're very familiar with each other, like you were 1515 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:29.279 assigned to case workers. 1516 01:40:29.560 --> 01:40:33.880 Yeah, they stick with him. But yes, I have seen 1517 01:40:35.960 --> 01:40:39.479 two other different types of aliens. And at one large 1518 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:46.359 major abduction, they took everybody to a facility and Sean 1519 01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:49.079 was there, but Sean was like three, and I have 1520 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:53.199 no memory of this. Yeah, there were two reptilians there. 1521 01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:57.239 They were kind of like working security, just standing there, 1522 01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.439 and they were I'd never seen him before and I've 1523 01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:04.960 never seen him sense, And since I was paralyzed looking forward, 1524 01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:07.199 I can only see them out of the corner of 1525 01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:10.279 my eyes. And there were let me tell you, this 1526 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:11.960 was a big thing. This is one time they took 1527 01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:14.279 us in the middle of the day. It was like 1528 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:20.039 a drill or something, a mass drill, because there were underground. 1529 01:41:20.039 --> 01:41:24.680 It appears to be corters are winding kind of but smooth. 1530 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.840 I mean the floor is like polished marble in an 1531 01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:33.039 office building, but not always flat. It curves. The aliens 1532 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:37.960 to me, they're not big on like right angles, you know, 1533 01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:41.880 in their ships and in the things. They like curves 1534 01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:47.800 curved hallways, and there were there were quarters coming off everywhere, 1535 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:50.000 and I there must have been I must have seen 1536 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:54.680 three hundred people that time. And I'm paralyzed. I'm looking 1537 01:41:54.720 --> 01:41:58.319 forward only I can't move anything but my eyes. They're like, 1538 01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:00.760 you know, they were taking Seawn and my mom and 1539 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:02.479 my other sibling that way, and I'm like, I'm going 1540 01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:05.359 with them. No, no, no, no, no, You're coming over here. 1541 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:07.399 You get in this line right here. I'm like, I 1542 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.439 didn't want to, so they put me in it and 1543 01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:12.920 they paralyzed me and they walk away, and the two 1544 01:42:13.000 --> 01:42:16.960 reptilians were Do you remember the old shopping malls of 1545 01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:19.800 the nineteen seventies where you'd walk through and there would 1546 01:42:19.800 --> 01:42:21.720 be like an open part where there would be a 1547 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:26.880 water feature and maybe a little footbridge over the water there, 1548 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:30.439 like where people would throw quarters and coins and like 1549 01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:33.159 it was a wishing well well. There was a little 1550 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:39.680 stream running between two sections and a little footbridge over it, 1551 01:42:40.600 --> 01:42:45.159 and that's where the two reptilians were standing. And they 1552 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.359 were much darker than I thought, and they had a 1553 01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:50.279 lot of teeth, but I only got a quick look 1554 01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:54.439 like needle teeth. They didn't really look like alligators or 1555 01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.359 anything like that. But I only got a quick look. 1556 01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:01.039 But what happened while I was in that line, and 1557 01:43:01.119 --> 01:43:03.680 this is probably why they were there at this big event, 1558 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:08.880 because about three people behind me, somebody started to wake up, 1559 01:43:10.000 --> 01:43:12.920 all right, and I couldn't turn around a look. I 1560 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:17.359 could only hear and the guy started moaning. He was like, eh, 1561 01:43:17.960 --> 01:43:21.000 like he was struggling to wake up. And then he says, 1562 01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:26.840 this isn't this isn't a dream. This is not a dream. 1563 01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:29.159 This is really happening. 1564 01:43:29.880 --> 01:43:33.039 Oh my god, help me help. 1565 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:38.479 This is real. And he starts screaming, and a tall 1566 01:43:38.479 --> 01:43:43.920 gray hustles over, and the two reptilians were chuckling and 1567 01:43:43.960 --> 01:43:48.359 not out loud. I could hear him. They're like they 1568 01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:52.880 were enjoying this guy's panic, and the tall gray and 1569 01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:55.039 the two of them they grab them and they hustle 1570 01:43:55.079 --> 01:43:58.000 them off because he could have woken up the herd. 1571 01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:04.279 So that is my one and only experience with reptilians. 1572 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:07.560 And I hate to even say it happened, because reptilians 1573 01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:12.319 have this crazy lore that I think is absolutely foolish. 1574 01:44:12.359 --> 01:44:18.479 Things to people like David Ike, it's always the reptilians. 1575 01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:23.279 The scenarios I tend to take less seriously are the 1576 01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:28.359 ones that involve the reptilians doing the abductions. This time, 1577 01:44:28.359 --> 01:44:31.439 when I saw them, they were clearly employed by the grace. 1578 01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.279 That was my only time, and I'm not going to 1579 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:36.800 pretend it didn't happen, even though I would love to 1580 01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:40.560 distance myself completely from any talk of reptilians, because I 1581 01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:42.920 think most of it's just lore, to be honest. And 1582 01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:46.800 the other the other species that I have encountered, and 1583 01:44:46.840 --> 01:44:49.640 only once again as far as I know. For all, 1584 01:44:49.680 --> 01:44:52.880 I know the movies together, the baseball part, but I 1585 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:56.960 only remember once, and I would remember this guy, and 1586 01:44:57.000 --> 01:45:01.560 that is the mantis like a praying mantis, very much, 1587 01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:05.800 very tall, like maybe even taller than the tall grays, 1588 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:10.319 you know, eight feetish. And they looked it looked largely 1589 01:45:10.359 --> 01:45:13.560 like a praying mantis and had those the front fore 1590 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:18.319 limbs that curved down and the ridge of spikes along 1591 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:21.359 the four limb, and I had the same like triangle head. 1592 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.119 But get this, I only got a glimpse at first 1593 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.760 that landed me in big trouble. What happened was again 1594 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:33.800 two tall grays walking me back. I'm always like a 1595 01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:35.960 couple of yards behind them. They walked fast, but I'm 1596 01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:39.680 right there and I'm in the line zone, but I'm 1597 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:43.600 you know, awaken up to see where I'm walking so 1598 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:46.319 I don't walk into a wall. And we're going down 1599 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:50.159 a corridor and I glanced to my left and there 1600 01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:55.039 was a door that was open, and I just look 1601 01:45:55.119 --> 01:45:59.399 in and it was two very two tall grays who 1602 01:45:59.399 --> 01:46:02.279 were like just as far as I knew, and they're 1603 01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:08.720 lifting this it looks like a creaky grasshopper, but it 1604 01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:12.359 was a mantis. And it wasn't green and healthy looking. 1605 01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:17.239 It was brown and looked brittle. It looked very brittle. 1606 01:46:17.680 --> 01:46:22.920 And the two tall grays were lifting him into a chair, 1607 01:46:24.239 --> 01:46:27.399 and you know, I got the feeling he was very 1608 01:46:27.439 --> 01:46:31.920 old and needed help, but I didn't know. I only 1609 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.600 had a quick second to look as I as I'm 1610 01:46:34.600 --> 01:46:38.439 walking by, and the door slides shut as I'm walking by, 1611 01:46:39.039 --> 01:46:42.880 and I'm thinking, that's pretty What was that? That's what 1612 01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:47.079 I'm thinking, And that instant the grays and I hear 1613 01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:52.640 a loud voice and it says, bring him back here. 1614 01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:57.600 And the two tall grays look they're aliens, but some 1615 01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:01.239 of them are really nice too, tall gray. I kind 1616 01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:03.479 of knew I was in big trouble and they're trying 1617 01:47:03.520 --> 01:47:06.479 to help me out. They said, oh, we got to 1618 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:09.119 get him back, you know, really tight schedule. We gotta 1619 01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:12.560 get him going right now. I'm sure he didn't see anything, 1620 01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:15.560 but we should probably get him back. Booming mantis voice 1621 01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:20.359 in our heads said, I saw through his eyes, he 1622 01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:25.560 saw me bring him. Okay. In the tall gray leans 1623 01:47:25.560 --> 01:47:30.479 in down next to me, is quietly and conspiratorially as 1624 01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:33.239 he kenned, he says, do not say a word, do 1625 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:36.960 not speak, just just be quiet. And he was letting 1626 01:47:36.960 --> 01:47:40.039 me know that this is like a peril, like this 1627 01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.119 could be it for me, and that they couldn't really 1628 01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.520 protect me. But I'm loopy anyway, so I'm not really 1629 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.239 worried about it. I mean, I get it. I can 1630 01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:53.359 feel the apparently I wasn't supposed to see this guy. Well, 1631 01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:55.880 you know what, maybe close your door, right? Why is 1632 01:47:55.920 --> 01:47:59.720 it always the kid's fault? These idiot aliens can't close 1633 01:47:59.720 --> 01:48:03.520 the guy damn door and the secret mantis Okay, they 1634 01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:06.279 bring me back and they open the door and we 1635 01:48:06.399 --> 01:48:08.840 go in and it is the two tall grays that 1636 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:14.159 had helped the mantis into the chair and the two 1637 01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:17.479 tall grays were my handlers. And the mantis. You know, 1638 01:48:17.560 --> 01:48:20.119 it's not like a nude bug. It had a big, 1639 01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:25.640 flowing purple robe like royalty. There were so many cliches 1640 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:29.479 to this, to the reality of Availien contact, and that's 1641 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:33.199 one of them. And we're there and I can tell 1642 01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:36.600 the Grays behind me are really concerned, and the mantis says, 1643 01:48:36.840 --> 01:48:40.800 you know, telepathically, put him on his knees right there, 1644 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:43.760 and I was like, I was like, what what is this? 1645 01:48:44.000 --> 01:48:46.720 It's like a Gladiator movie. I thought it was again 1646 01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:51.039 a cliche. What would a power move? You know, I'm 1647 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:55.760 like ten, dude, I'm like eleven, and get him on 1648 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:59.880 his knees. And I'm on my knees like you know, 1649 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:03.359 Spartacus or something. I'm about to get whipped. And I'm 1650 01:49:03.399 --> 01:49:06.840 looking at this thing and it was hideous. It was 1651 01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:09.880 really an ugly thing. Maybe because he was old, maybe 1652 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:15.439 because he was mean. But he says, to me, you 1653 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:18.920 never saw me, do you understand? He said, you never 1654 01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:23.399 saw me, You never speak of me ever in your life. 1655 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:27.760 You forget you saw me, and you never speak of 1656 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:32.560 this anyone. And he said, if you ever speak of 1657 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:38.960 me to anyone, I will kill your family. And I'm 1658 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:43.199 just I can't believe what this creature just said to me. 1659 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:46.319 Take him away, get him out of here. As we 1660 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:49.079 leave the room, two talk race are like faster, come on, 1661 01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:52.520 let's get to that ship, like right now. Their word's 1662 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:54.880 gonna you know, bring it back. I want to kill him, 1663 01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:58.439 and I would. I would just like to say to that, 1664 01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:03.680 if that is that crusty insect praying mantis is listening 1665 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.760 to your podcast, which we all know he is, I 1666 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:10.279 would just like to say, go f yourself, because my 1667 01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:14.000 mother is dead, my dad is dead. So there's nothing 1668 01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.960 you're gonna do to hurt me or stop me from 1669 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:21.720 talking about you. I will talk about you every chance 1670 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:28.119 I get. So. Yeah. So it was only those two incidents, 1671 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:31.079 one where I met reptilians and the other where I 1672 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:34.439 met a mantis, and I am not happy I did so. 1673 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:37.279 But they're all the same hierarchy, you know what I mean. 1674 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.359 It looked to me like the mantis was the boss 1675 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:44.600 behind the scenes, like the man behind the curtain, and 1676 01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:47.680 then the tall grays. I mean, but they were kind 1677 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:49.399 to me often. 1678 01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:54.800 Yeah, surprisingly so they were a lot nicer than you 1679 01:50:54.800 --> 01:50:58.119 would think, and definitely a lot nicer than they had 1680 01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:01.920 to be. If they can come in and just paralyze you, 1681 01:51:02.640 --> 01:51:06.159 float you out your wall or window up to their ship, 1682 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:08.560 they don't even have to talk to you at all 1683 01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.359 if they don't want to. But they do try to 1684 01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:16.520 reassure people, even people who freak out you hear them say. 1685 01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:20.520 They often tell them to calm down or relax, or 1686 01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:24.560 they won't won't hurt them, and with us, you know, 1687 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:28.239 for me, I got so used to them that I 1688 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:32.960 didn't get freaked out at all, and would, even as 1689 01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:36.119 a child anyway, get excited when they would show up. 1690 01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:40.159 And as a child, I would remember these incidents and 1691 01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:44.800 I would tell my mother and my parents about it, 1692 01:51:44.920 --> 01:51:47.239 and you know, they didn't really want to hear it. 1693 01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:51.039 And one morning I woke up and told them, I said, 1694 01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:56.319 a man who wasn't a man came in and took 1695 01:51:56.359 --> 01:52:01.000 me last night. And my father said, oh, you mean 1696 01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:04.359 a monster, and they burst out and laughter. 1697 01:52:05.039 --> 01:52:07.439 Yeah. I mean my mother, who had been going through 1698 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:12.359 the mill on this for decades already, and my father, 1699 01:52:12.399 --> 01:52:15.239 who'd been taken more than once, but not all that often. 1700 01:52:15.399 --> 01:52:17.039 I mean, they took him like if he was in 1701 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:19.880 the car with you or there were a few times 1702 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:21.720 they took him, but they often left him. Whatever they 1703 01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:24.960 wanted was through our mom. But I remember that day 1704 01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:30.880 because I was downstairs in the my basement bedroom and 1705 01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:35.000 I heard Mom and dad laughing upstairs at the coffee 1706 01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:38.000 table when they started the day with cigarettes and coffee 1707 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:43.760 and complaints. Usually there was no laughter coming from that table. Ever. Oh, 1708 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:46.640 I woke up and I'm like, what's so funny? And 1709 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:51.479 I come up and Sean is irate. He's completely angry 1710 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:53.880 and read that nobody believes him, and they said, well, 1711 01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:56.760 what's going on? He goes there was there was this. 1712 01:52:57.640 --> 01:53:00.239 It wasn't a man, but it was like a man. 1713 01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:04.960 Fall big head was in my room and he took me. 1714 01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.880 He took me into You described a craft as being 1715 01:53:09.680 --> 01:53:14.760 like a Simon, which was a nineteen seventies game where 1716 01:53:14.760 --> 01:53:17.920 you tap the colored lights that come on. Yeah, kind 1717 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:20.560 of a memory game. Yeah. And it was very much 1718 01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:23.880 shaped like a like a flying saucer. And he's telling 1719 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:27.840 me this and I said, oh, Sean, come on, don't 1720 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:30.600 worry about it. Man, you had a bad dream. There's 1721 01:53:30.600 --> 01:53:34.159 no such thing. Nobody's coming in you weren't any They 1722 01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:37.079 took you into a ship. That's no Sean. It was 1723 01:53:37.159 --> 01:53:40.520 just a dream, relaxed. There's no there, no monsters. And 1724 01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:44.039 Sean was absolutely furious at me. He was making his 1725 01:53:44.159 --> 01:53:48.039 stand and you were like ten, Yeah, you were angry 1726 01:53:48.239 --> 01:53:51.399 at all three of us. No bear in mind, I'd 1727 01:53:51.439 --> 01:53:57.359 been taken for sixteen years by that point. Even I 1728 01:53:57.399 --> 01:54:01.840 turned my back to what Sean was saying, because that's 1729 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:07.399 how strong their hold is over your memories. They it's 1730 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:10.600 it's almost absolute. If it wasn't for that one day 1731 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:14.840 when we caught them, everything fell. Their whole was shattered 1732 01:54:14.840 --> 01:54:15.680 over us. 1733 01:54:23.600 --> 01:54:26.399 Do you have an interest in the paranormal, then you'll 1734 01:54:26.479 --> 01:54:30.279 love the unexnetwork dot com. 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Follow 1741 01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:59.960 our Facebook group unex Network, by the podcast on our Spotify, 1742 01:55:00.119 --> 01:55:02.760 iHeart Audible and Apple Podcasting. 1743 01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:08.079 It's time, It's new is the x x X. 1744 01:55:14.399 --> 01:55:17.840 When did you both sit down together and say, this 1745 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:20.800 is some pretty strange things that have gone on. When 1746 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:24.159 did you both make that connection that things were happening, 1747 01:55:24.520 --> 01:55:27.399 and when did you decide to start sharing it? 1748 01:55:27.680 --> 01:55:30.960 Well, what happened is one day happened, and the day 1749 01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:37.079 was August nineteenth, nineteen ninety six. My whole family, all 1750 01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:40.920 four of us, had been taken, our whole lives, and 1751 01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:43.199 we did it. At this point, Sean, you didn't. 1752 01:55:43.399 --> 01:55:49.680 I'm living a normal young man's life. I recently hired 1753 01:55:49.720 --> 01:55:54.279 by the police department full time, living in my parents' 1754 01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:57.920 basement apartment of their single family home and a residential 1755 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:01.600 neighborhood and a nice town in upstate New York. 1756 01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:04.920 And said aliens were not the least been a part 1757 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:08.760 of your mind, and same here, same here, and we 1758 01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:11.680 didn't even remember the times when we did remember, and 1759 01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:13.760 it brought it to people's attention and we were shot down, 1760 01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:17.479 like when I asked my mom about him and they 1761 01:56:17.479 --> 01:56:21.000 clipped out on me saying Child Protective Services was gonna 1762 01:56:21.039 --> 01:56:23.359 come take me away if I ever mentioned this to anybody, 1763 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:27.119 is this. If it wasn't for this day, Nick you, 1764 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.399 we wouldn't be talking and we would have gone to 1765 01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:36.399 our graves, not knowing what they've done to us for 1766 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:44.600 our whole lives. It was this one day. Now back 1767 01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.880 up about two weeks, and my mother did remember a 1768 01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:51.439 lot more than she let on. She was often angry 1769 01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:54.560 that we didn't know. And I walked in and she 1770 01:56:54.720 --> 01:56:58.359 was watching like Oprah, and Oprah was talking to witnesses 1771 01:56:58.439 --> 01:57:02.279 of the UFO incident and Mom's watching it, and I said, 1772 01:57:02.319 --> 01:57:06.880 you know what, I think I believe those people. They 1773 01:57:07.119 --> 01:57:11.359 sound like they're genuine. And she looks at me with 1774 01:57:11.520 --> 01:57:16.119 like a kind of side eye and says, oh, you do, 1775 01:57:16.119 --> 01:57:20.640 do you? And I said, yeah, I just really want 1776 01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:23.359 to see one. I'd like to really see one. Oh. 1777 01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:26.359 She's like, you do hw you want to see one? 1778 01:57:26.520 --> 01:57:31.760 Do you? Huh? And I could tell she was upset. 1779 01:57:31.920 --> 01:57:35.800 And I said what and she goes, just forget it, 1780 01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:39.319 never mind, all right, just drop it. I'm like, well, 1781 01:57:39.640 --> 01:57:42.640 I don't got into her, and I went out with 1782 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:47.319 my day. But two weeks later, August nineteenth, nineteen ninety six, 1783 01:57:48.199 --> 01:57:51.920 at this point, Mom was throwing a picnic in the 1784 01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:56.439 backyard for everybody. I got out of work headed over 1785 01:57:56.479 --> 01:58:00.800 there just before six. Mom had already invented, my had 1786 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.840 my aunt was there, my cousin was there. We were 1787 01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:07.000 waiting for Dad to come home from Albany where he worked. 1788 01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:10.640 He'd be home soon, and waiting for Sewing to wake up. 1789 01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:14.880 He's in the basement bedroom, you know, because he works 1790 01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:20.079 over nights and so he sleeps during the day. And 1791 01:58:20.119 --> 01:58:22.600 there we were in the backyard, and it was a 1792 01:58:22.640 --> 01:58:28.640 beautiful sunny day, six o'clock in August, not a cloud 1793 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:31.760 in the sky, just as you're blue. And I recline 1794 01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:35.479 on a change lounge. I'm just waiting, you know, kind 1795 01:58:35.479 --> 01:58:40.319 of for the food. And I was reading the newspaper, 1796 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:44.239 even though it's a terrible newspaper. I'm holding up like 1797 01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:49.640 strangely open, like Fred McMurray and my three sons. Where 1798 01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:51.920 he was, you know, a dad who didn't want to 1799 01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:54.119 deal with his children. He was the newspaper as a 1800 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:58.960 barrier between himself and and parenting responsibly. But I'm reading 1801 01:58:59.000 --> 01:59:06.199 the newspaper and my mother, talking with my aunt Missy says, oh, Chris, 1802 01:59:06.199 --> 01:59:10.680 look there's that UFO you wanted to see. And I 1803 01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:12.720 could hear in her voice that she was, you know, 1804 01:59:13.199 --> 01:59:16.880 she was busting my chops. You could just hear it, right. 1805 01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:18.840 So I didn't even look up, for I didn't give 1806 01:59:18.880 --> 01:59:20.760 her the satisfaction of looking at it. You know what 1807 01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:23.199 I mean, I'm not going to you know when I 1808 01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:26.159 look up and then said the balloon that says happy birthday, 1809 01:59:26.640 --> 01:59:29.399 Tony or something, and then they get a good laugh. 1810 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:35.199 So I didn't. And another half minute goes by, and 1811 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:44.000 my aunt said, wait, what is that? And my mother said, well, 1812 01:59:44.760 --> 01:59:49.600 I don't, I don't know. And my mother's only confused, 1813 01:59:49.920 --> 01:59:52.840 and if she was acting, she was doing a great job. 1814 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:56.239 They were literally confused. And I so finally I go 1815 01:59:56.319 --> 01:59:58.840 all right. I lowered the paper and I said, all 1816 01:59:59.000 --> 02:00:03.479 right what and what I was looking at was a 1817 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:11.119 flying saucer and it was it was materializing. It was 1818 02:00:11.199 --> 02:00:16.159 not fully there. At first I thought it was the 1819 02:00:16.399 --> 02:00:21.159 great distance away, because it had the properties of something 1820 02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:24.479 very far in the distant. It was like if you 1821 02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:28.479 look at a hotter balloon that's two miles away. You know, 1822 02:00:28.560 --> 02:00:31.960 the colors will be really light, it'll be more substantial, 1823 02:00:32.680 --> 02:00:35.560 it'll be warbling a little because the atmosphere makes you 1824 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:40.680 distort things, and this was you know, it's kind of translucent, 1825 02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:46.720 and it was warbling, you know, like like you're looking 1826 02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:50.399 at it through a heatmerage, you know, like when you 1827 02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:53.560 look at a hot road in the summer, and these 1828 02:00:53.560 --> 02:00:56.279 waves of distortion radiating upwards. But it was radiating in 1829 02:00:56.279 --> 02:01:00.640 all direct directions. It was, and it was, but it 1830 02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:03.800 was becoming more and more distinct, and as it became 1831 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:07.600 more clear and more solid, I could see there was 1832 02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:10.520 not a great distance away. It was you know, it 1833 02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:15.159 was over our property line, It was over our house. 1834 02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:20.760 It was about thirty feet to where we were by 1835 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:23.720 the pool, and it was about forty five feet in 1836 02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:27.439 the air, and all of a sudden, it was perfectly clear. 1837 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:31.000 There were shadows on it. It was chrome bright. It 1838 02:01:31.079 --> 02:01:34.439 was spinning. The top was spinning one way, the bottom 1839 02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:37.800 was spinning another. And I couldn't figure out what it 1840 02:01:38.000 --> 02:01:41.760 was because, hey, I've never seen anything alien. That's what 1841 02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:44.840 I actually thought at that point. They had covered me 1842 02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:48.720 my mind for all those years that I didn't even 1843 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:52.840 recognize it as a flying saucer. Initially, To be honest 1844 02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:56.479 with you, you know, your mind, some people say your mind 1845 02:01:56.600 --> 02:02:00.319 leaps to assume anything's of an alien ship. But it's 1846 02:02:00.359 --> 02:02:03.039 really the opposite. When you see something extraordinary in front 1847 02:02:03.039 --> 02:02:06.800 of you, you start running down a checklist for what 1848 02:02:07.079 --> 02:02:11.560 normal things this could possibly be, before you approach the 1849 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:14.000 territory of saying, I mean, now, with what we know, 1850 02:02:14.119 --> 02:02:16.880 it would be different. But at this point, with her 1851 02:02:17.079 --> 02:02:20.640 memory sequestered, it took me a long time before I 1852 02:02:20.680 --> 02:02:24.960 hit on flying saucer and that's what it was. And 1853 02:02:25.239 --> 02:02:27.680 we're watching it, and I'm looking at my mother and 1854 02:02:27.720 --> 02:02:31.279 my aunt. They're like in a trance, and I'm kind 1855 02:02:31.319 --> 02:02:34.039 of in a trance. I'm not I don't have any 1856 02:02:34.119 --> 02:02:37.800 adrenaline rush from a flying saucer in front of me, 1857 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:40.720 but I was kind of coming out of it, and 1858 02:02:41.239 --> 02:02:45.279 that saucer lights up and I'm like, wow, this is 1859 02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:50.479 this is escalating. I need I need Sean. John has 1860 02:02:50.520 --> 02:02:54.000 a gun. John is a cop. I'm looking at my 1861 02:02:54.479 --> 02:02:57.439 mom and aunt in a trance, my cousin in the 1862 02:02:57.479 --> 02:03:02.039 pool with this stupid swim cap and goggles. He's just 1863 02:03:02.079 --> 02:03:05.479 staring up in a trance. So I go to get Sean. 1864 02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:10.479 I'm gonna go get him, and I run. I run 1865 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:13.880 up the steps to the kitchen to go get Sean. 1866 02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:18.560 But I froze on those steps. For some reason. I 1867 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:21.479 froze because I heard a voice in my head saying, wait, 1868 02:03:22.560 --> 02:03:25.720 don't go in there. You'll never get a chance to 1869 02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:27.520 see anything like this again, if you know, if you 1870 02:03:27.600 --> 02:03:30.239 go in, it'll be gone when you come out. Why 1871 02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:35.159 are you bothering? Just stay and watch it. And I'm thinking, well, yeah, 1872 02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:37.520 that's a concern. But I look a gun at my 1873 02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:40.439 mom my aunt, and I go, no, I'm going in, 1874 02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:46.119 And I run in, and I leap down the stairs 1875 02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:50.720 to his bedroom like four steps at a time, and 1876 02:03:50.760 --> 02:03:53.560 I go to open his door, and another voice as 1877 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:57.600 to me, which it felt like my own thoughts, but 1878 02:03:58.359 --> 02:04:02.960 the voice says, no, don't open the door. He's asleep 1879 02:04:03.000 --> 02:04:05.000 and he has a gun, and if you startle him 1880 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:08.840 and he wakes up, he could shoot you. And you know, 1881 02:04:09.039 --> 02:04:12.000 I know he doesn't. He's not sleeping, he's not rayleioda 1882 02:04:12.079 --> 02:04:14.479 and good fellows with a your pillow under the bed, 1883 02:04:14.560 --> 02:04:17.960 right on the pillow, you're gone under the Yeah. So 1884 02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:19.520 it was a stupid thing for me to think, but 1885 02:04:19.680 --> 02:04:23.760 it stopped me from opening the door. Instead, I pounded 1886 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:26.800 on the door, bam bam, bam, bam, bam bam, Bam, Sean, 1887 02:04:27.479 --> 02:04:31.560 get up. There's a flying saucer outside his UFO. Get 1888 02:04:31.640 --> 02:04:35.520 up here. Now in those moments. 1889 02:04:35.720 --> 02:04:40.159 Where I think you said ufo ufo and I do, yeah, 1890 02:04:40.720 --> 02:04:42.119 flying saucer. Yeah. 1891 02:04:42.239 --> 02:04:46.760 Now, while I'm giving you my side, here is Sean's 1892 02:04:46.920 --> 02:04:49.239 for you. This is from two sides. It's a very 1893 02:04:49.279 --> 02:04:52.680 complicated thing, and I couldn't or he couldn't explain it 1894 02:04:52.720 --> 02:04:56.800 without the other person there this day. I mean, you know, 1895 02:04:56.960 --> 02:05:00.159 it gets confusing. So while that's happening to me, why well, 1896 02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:04.680 I'm running to get you. But I stop because, like, 1897 02:05:04.760 --> 02:05:07.880 don't look at this for a little while more. Yeah, 1898 02:05:08.039 --> 02:05:09.399 my end of this is. 1899 02:05:10.159 --> 02:05:14.920 First thing I see is I'm in the air, elevated 1900 02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:19.960 above the houses, looking down upon the backyard and seeing 1901 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:25.439 everybody by the pool. And because everybody was there, I 1902 02:05:25.479 --> 02:05:29.600 got excited. I wanted to go join them go swimming, 1903 02:05:31.159 --> 02:05:36.800 So I ask, can I go swimming? And that's the 1904 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:40.840 first moment I noticed, you know who I was talking to. 1905 02:05:42.560 --> 02:05:48.079 Off to my right side, parallel with me, maybe eight 1906 02:05:48.159 --> 02:05:52.119 or ten feet away, was what I've described as the 1907 02:05:52.680 --> 02:05:53.880 what are the short. 1908 02:05:53.600 --> 02:05:56.920 Rais leans forward and. 1909 02:05:56.960 --> 02:06:01.039 Turns his head to look towards me. He comes into 1910 02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:05.840 my line of sight a little better, and he says, 1911 02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:07.680 we're taking you to bed. 1912 02:06:08.560 --> 02:06:10.079 You can get up and go swimming. 1913 02:06:11.640 --> 02:06:16.159 And he even emphasized the word up, and he called 1914 02:06:16.199 --> 02:06:19.760 it bed. He didn't call it you know, you're sleeping 1915 02:06:19.880 --> 02:06:24.199 quarters or anything stupid like that, and said we're he 1916 02:06:24.279 --> 02:06:25.319 didn't say we are. 1917 02:06:26.479 --> 02:06:26.920 Next thing. 1918 02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:29.920 I know standing there and I could see everybody was 1919 02:06:29.960 --> 02:06:34.520 an unobstructed view. I'm not looking down through a portal 1920 02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:37.199 or a small window or anything like that. 1921 02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:38.640 I can see. 1922 02:06:38.960 --> 02:06:42.159 Whole yard, not only our yard, but the next door 1923 02:06:42.199 --> 02:06:46.960 neighbor's yard, and I knew that everybody was there. But 1924 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:52.760 looking back now, I don't remember who was where, except 1925 02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:56.000 for like he was talking about, my cousin Philip was 1926 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:58.800 in the pool. And I remember also he had that 1927 02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:03.279 swimming cap on like you see on a really elderly 1928 02:07:03.359 --> 02:07:06.359 person and old movies like Jaws. I think there was 1929 02:07:06.399 --> 02:07:12.239 an elderly fellow at the beach with one nice hat. Harry, 1930 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:13.079 don't wear. 1931 02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.840 A swim cap if you want to meet a woman. 1932 02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:19.680 But yeah, we were looking in shipps opaque. But you're 1933 02:07:19.680 --> 02:07:22.119 looking down at us. So this is about the time 1934 02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:25.800 I'm going to get you, or. 1935 02:07:25.720 --> 02:07:31.079 Maybe walking towards the closer underneath it to the fence. Okay, 1936 02:07:31.199 --> 02:07:33.479 I don't know, because I don't remember exactly where you were. 1937 02:07:33.520 --> 02:07:36.680 I remember seeing him in the pool, and then I 1938 02:07:36.880 --> 02:07:42.279 notice a reflection of light off the pool, like all 1939 02:07:42.319 --> 02:07:46.680 these tiny little beams of light, like points of light 1940 02:07:46.840 --> 02:07:50.680 really just flickering off the pool water. And I was 1941 02:07:50.720 --> 02:07:53.720 thinking to myself, boy, that's weird. I've never seen anything 1942 02:07:53.800 --> 02:07:58.119 like that. Must be the angle that I'm looking at, 1943 02:07:58.520 --> 02:08:02.560 the sun's reflection. And because I'm elevated, you know, not 1944 02:08:02.640 --> 02:08:05.399 even thinking that that's weird that I'm looking at it 1945 02:08:05.439 --> 02:08:10.880 from an elevated position. I felt very normal incomfortable where 1946 02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:13.600 I was. I didn't freak out when I saw the 1947 02:08:13.640 --> 02:08:17.079 alien next to me at all. I wasn't freaked out 1948 02:08:17.119 --> 02:08:19.359 by the fact that I'm looking down in the yard. 1949 02:08:19.479 --> 02:08:21.640 I felt normal and comfortable. 1950 02:08:23.159 --> 02:08:25.319 And what you saw was that at that point the 1951 02:08:25.359 --> 02:08:29.319 ship had gone from a silver craft completely lit up, 1952 02:08:29.439 --> 02:08:34.319 with like needles of light coming off in this rose 1953 02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:39.840 pink yellow like the color of like a road flare 1954 02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:43.720 if you had an accident, you know, that magnesium and 1955 02:08:44.119 --> 02:08:46.520 all these points of light coming off. At this point, 1956 02:08:47.159 --> 02:08:52.079 I said, whatever's going on this escalated quickly, to quote 1957 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:55.520 ron Burgundy, and it was out of my control, and 1958 02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:58.439 I was thinking more and more clearly, now whatever had 1959 02:08:58.479 --> 02:09:02.239 me sitting there placidly watched for like the six or 1960 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:06.600 seven minutes it took to solidify. Now it's gotten serious, 1961 02:09:06.960 --> 02:09:10.560 and I determined I'm going to get shown. Yeah. 1962 02:09:10.600 --> 02:09:13.159 So I saw the reflection of the light. I had 1963 02:09:13.199 --> 02:09:16.079 no idea what it was. I assumed the sun, like 1964 02:09:16.159 --> 02:09:20.359 I stated, but looking back after hearing Christ's description, I'm 1965 02:09:20.399 --> 02:09:23.520 sure that's what I was seeing, was the reflection of 1966 02:09:23.600 --> 02:09:26.479 the light of the flying saucer itself that it was 1967 02:09:26.520 --> 02:09:29.760 giving off. After seeing that, the next thing I know, 1968 02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:35.760 I'm in my basement and I've got my arm over 1969 02:09:35.800 --> 02:09:39.640 the shoulders of each arm over the shoulder of a 1970 02:09:41.039 --> 02:09:44.520 taller gray than the short one. They were probably a 1971 02:09:44.600 --> 02:09:47.880 little bit shorter than I was, but they were holding 1972 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.479 me up, and all of a sudden, unlike in. 1973 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:53.279 The ship, I felt as if I was. 1974 02:09:53.800 --> 02:10:00.600 Drunk or drugged. I would say it was most similar 1975 02:10:00.680 --> 02:10:05.039 to anesthesia, which I've had. I've had a number of operations, 1976 02:10:06.359 --> 02:10:09.520 and I would say it was very similar to that 1977 02:10:09.680 --> 02:10:13.520 where you're kind of aware, you're you know, you're leaving 1978 02:10:13.560 --> 02:10:17.000 the operating room or what have you, but you don't 1979 02:10:17.039 --> 02:10:21.119 remember it typically, And just like if I was a 1980 02:10:21.199 --> 02:10:25.760 drunk friend, they're helping me to bed by putting an 1981 02:10:25.880 --> 02:10:30.279 arm over their shoulder and literally escorting me through the basement. 1982 02:10:30.920 --> 02:10:32.720 Turned and I said to the one to my right, 1983 02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:34.880 looked right at the one on my right arm. I said, 1984 02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:40.960 thank you, like God's for helping me to bed. He 1985 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:44.960 ignored that, and we just continued towards the bedroom, which 1986 02:10:45.000 --> 02:10:48.199 was on the other end of the house. So I 1987 02:10:48.199 --> 02:10:50.439 said it again. I'd look back at him, I said 1988 02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:53.800 thank you, and he just whether he didn't want to 1989 02:10:53.840 --> 02:10:57.439 engage in a conversation to stimulate me, or he was 1990 02:10:57.479 --> 02:11:01.600 just kind of disinterested and blowing me off. He literally 1991 02:11:01.640 --> 02:11:08.000 says yeah, yeah, and we continue on our way and 1992 02:11:08.039 --> 02:11:11.159 they're holding me up. Keep in mind these these we 1993 02:11:11.199 --> 02:11:14.399 talked about it earlier, how thin they are and how 1994 02:11:14.479 --> 02:11:18.960 frail they look, but they're stronger than they look. They're 1995 02:11:19.000 --> 02:11:23.000 they're helping me, and I'm an adult at this point, 1996 02:11:24.199 --> 02:11:26.119 so I got to be about one hundred and eighty 1997 02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:30.119 pounds anyway, and they're during a brunt of my weight. 1998 02:11:30.199 --> 02:11:34.279 I remember my feet almost dragging as they're bringing me 1999 02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:34.800 to bed. 2000 02:11:35.199 --> 02:11:38.800 So you at this point, you're in your bedroom, about 2001 02:11:38.840 --> 02:11:41.640 to put you in bed, and this is the point 2002 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:46.319 I'm going to run in in the house and get you. Yeah, 2003 02:11:46.399 --> 02:11:46.760 I was. 2004 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:50.279 Next thing I remember is really being in the bed 2005 02:11:51.359 --> 02:11:55.239 and there's one being at the foot of my bed 2006 02:11:56.039 --> 02:11:58.960 and one at the side of my bed, and I 2007 02:11:59.159 --> 02:12:05.560 start to go to sleep, and I hear quote unquote, 2008 02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:08.239 you know, with a telepathy, the one on the side 2009 02:12:08.239 --> 02:12:14.199 of the bed, in a absolute panic, like as panicked 2010 02:12:14.279 --> 02:12:18.600 as anybody you've ever seen in your life in any circumstance, 2011 02:12:19.359 --> 02:12:21.359 says he's coming. 2012 02:12:21.600 --> 02:12:25.199 We're gonna get caught. And this is when I'm just 2013 02:12:25.359 --> 02:12:29.239 about to run down the stairs. And then in that instant, 2014 02:12:29.640 --> 02:12:31.640 something makes me stop and look at the ship again. 2015 02:12:32.399 --> 02:12:34.039 Tell me, don't just. 2016 02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:37.479 Watch this, And the alien at the foot of my 2017 02:12:37.600 --> 02:12:44.399 bed com is a cucumber, says no, he's not not yet. 2018 02:12:46.039 --> 02:12:51.079 And you know, I'm hearing this and as tired as 2019 02:12:51.119 --> 02:12:56.640 I can be, but I'm thinking to myself, who could 2020 02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:00.760 they be worried about catching them? You know, is there 2021 02:13:00.880 --> 02:13:04.119 some supreme being on his way here? And what are 2022 02:13:04.119 --> 02:13:05.039 they doing wrong? 2023 02:13:05.560 --> 02:13:08.760 You know, I don't want to really call myself a 2024 02:13:08.800 --> 02:13:11.359 supreme being. But that's the thought that. 2025 02:13:11.319 --> 02:13:14.079 Was going through my head is I was almost picturing, 2026 02:13:14.840 --> 02:13:21.199 you know, some supreme being showing up. And so it 2027 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:25.039 took literally every ounce energy I had to sit up 2028 02:13:25.159 --> 02:13:28.600 in bed. And now both of them were at the 2029 02:13:28.640 --> 02:13:31.439 foot of my bed. The one was walking towards the 2030 02:13:31.439 --> 02:13:34.640 foot of my bed as he was panicking, saying he 2031 02:13:34.760 --> 02:13:37.079 was going to get caught. They were going to get caught. 2032 02:13:37.880 --> 02:13:40.239 So I sit up and I look at him and 2033 02:13:40.319 --> 02:13:45.479 I say, who's coming, And they both turn around to 2034 02:13:45.479 --> 02:13:49.560 look at me, and this time they're both I don't 2035 02:13:49.560 --> 02:13:53.520 want to use the word panic. They were more like rushed, 2036 02:13:56.359 --> 02:14:00.520 hurriedly trying to get out of there, and things are 2037 02:14:00.560 --> 02:14:04.199 going wrong. So they both look at me and say 2038 02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:07.479 in unison, and they drag out the words like I'm 2039 02:14:07.479 --> 02:14:13.279 gonna say it. They say, go to sleep, and with 2040 02:14:13.439 --> 02:14:18.279 that I have absolutely no choice but to lay right 2041 02:14:18.319 --> 02:14:21.199 back down and start to drift off to sleep. I 2042 02:14:21.239 --> 02:14:24.239 don't know if it's hypnosis or mind control like we 2043 02:14:24.319 --> 02:14:28.119 talked about earlier, but I had no choice but to 2044 02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:33.319 drift off to sleep. And what seemed like instant later, 2045 02:14:33.399 --> 02:14:36.880 I hear a pounding on the door my bedroom door, 2046 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:45.159 and it's Chris saying, Sean, get up, there's a UFO outside. 2047 02:14:45.319 --> 02:14:49.760 And I remember thinking to myself and trying to answer 2048 02:14:49.880 --> 02:14:54.600 Chris using the telepathy I was just using with these aliens. 2049 02:14:54.880 --> 02:14:59.159 I remember trying to answer him, saying, of course there is. 2050 02:15:00.199 --> 02:15:03.560 They just left, and then I thought to myself, what 2051 02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:10.439 you know, that's odd, and so I uh, I realized 2052 02:15:10.520 --> 02:15:14.920 what's going on here, and I throw the blanket off 2053 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:18.000 of me. You know, I don't remember getting under the blanket. 2054 02:15:18.039 --> 02:15:19.800 Apparently they tucked me in nicely. 2055 02:15:20.520 --> 02:15:22.479 They convinced me not to open your bedroom door. They 2056 02:15:22.479 --> 02:15:26.279 were probably still in there, and so like a fool. 2057 02:15:26.520 --> 02:15:28.720 Of course, you know, let's face it, if I threw 2058 02:15:28.800 --> 02:15:33.199 that door open and there's two grays putting on to bed, 2059 02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:37.039 I would have screamed, like if a five year old 2060 02:15:37.039 --> 02:15:40.800 girl dropped a bowling ball on her foot, I would 2061 02:15:40.840 --> 02:15:42.800 have have screamed, what am I gonna do? 2062 02:15:43.319 --> 02:15:43.520 You know? 2063 02:15:44.159 --> 02:15:46.760 So I didn't open it, though, but it woke sewn up. 2064 02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:53.159 He came right upstairs and outside and I'm looking at 2065 02:15:53.159 --> 02:15:58.079 Sean and he was wincing in pain. He was like, 2066 02:15:58.159 --> 02:16:01.079 if if you took someone out in the daylight, who's 2067 02:16:01.079 --> 02:16:04.319 been in the hot box in a prison movie. It 2068 02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:04.920 was painful. 2069 02:16:05.000 --> 02:16:07.760 Yeah, it felt that's a great description. 2070 02:16:08.960 --> 02:16:10.960 Yeah, it was painful for him. I could see that, 2071 02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:13.359 and I'm thinking, oh, you know, poor guy didn't didn't 2072 02:16:13.359 --> 02:16:17.199 get enough sleep. I mean, it'd been down there eight hours. 2073 02:16:17.199 --> 02:16:19.479 But who knows how busy they kept him in the 2074 02:16:19.800 --> 02:16:23.680 g darm ship. Okay, they keep you busy. So he 2075 02:16:24.279 --> 02:16:29.119 he's there. I cleaned that up. So and so I'm like, Sean, 2076 02:16:29.199 --> 02:16:31.159 Jeann wouldn't believe it. My mother's like, yeah, it was 2077 02:16:31.159 --> 02:16:33.799 really weird. It was like a alsa and everything, and 2078 02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:36.159 Sean's kind of just wins it. I'm like, Sean, you 2079 02:16:36.280 --> 02:16:38.680 got hot. And by this time it had moved off. 2080 02:16:38.799 --> 02:16:41.959 It had gone over several streets and it was heading 2081 02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:45.479 due east, and I said, Jahn, Jeohn, let's get in 2082 02:16:45.479 --> 02:16:47.680 the car and maybe we can catch it. You should 2083 02:16:47.719 --> 02:16:49.399 really see this thing. Yeah. 2084 02:16:49.440 --> 02:16:52.200 We took the convertible LeBaron, I think my car. 2085 02:16:52.280 --> 02:16:55.760 Yeah. So we head out twenty nine and you know, 2086 02:16:55.879 --> 02:16:58.079 the roads just go one way, and if something veers 2087 02:16:58.120 --> 02:17:02.280 a little bed, it's cross roads or miles away. So 2088 02:17:02.440 --> 02:17:05.120 we didn't see it. And I'm like, Jean, you wouldn't 2089 02:17:05.120 --> 02:17:07.040 believe it was a flying saucers right outside. Those things 2090 02:17:07.040 --> 02:17:09.200 are real. I didn't believe it. It was a real thing. 2091 02:17:09.399 --> 02:17:12.319 I We're driving down rough twenty nine and I'm jabbering 2092 02:17:12.319 --> 02:17:13.840 about what we saw. 2093 02:17:14.399 --> 02:17:16.920 What I saw, and I said, yeah, they were bringing 2094 02:17:16.959 --> 02:17:17.440 me back. 2095 02:17:18.120 --> 02:17:21.879 Yeah. He said they were bringing me back. And I 2096 02:17:21.920 --> 02:17:25.319 said to him, I'm like, poor Shawn, and woke him up. 2097 02:17:25.719 --> 02:17:30.399 He's still half dreaming. I said, oh no, Sean, I said, 2098 02:17:31.000 --> 02:17:34.600 we're just talking about a flying saucer hovering over the 2099 02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:37.719 backyard for eight or nine minutes. We're not talking about 2100 02:17:37.799 --> 02:17:41.680 an alien of production or anything like that. That's how 2101 02:17:41.760 --> 02:17:43.520 out of touch I was to think there was some 2102 02:17:43.719 --> 02:17:48.840 enormous gulf between you know, I just learned that flying 2103 02:17:48.840 --> 02:17:51.639 saucers were real, despite the fact I'd been on them 2104 02:17:51.680 --> 02:17:55.719 for decades. Yeah, and I said, oh no, we're just 2105 02:17:55.760 --> 02:17:59.719 talking about a flying saucer. And you said they'd taken 2106 02:17:59.760 --> 02:18:03.079 you too. My first thought was, oh, boy, Sean is 2107 02:18:04.000 --> 02:18:07.079 losing it. And I'm like, oh no, he's always been 2108 02:18:07.120 --> 02:18:10.159 so logical. He's been the rational one. He's been the brock. 2109 02:18:10.840 --> 02:18:13.479 I said, jewn no, no, but listen, it's one thing 2110 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:14.040 you talked about. 2111 02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:18.200 You but no, don't you remember the time? And I 2112 02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:20.879 reminded him of the time my mother screamed in the 2113 02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:24.479 kitchen and ran past us, saying, why do they always 2114 02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:25.600 have to come back? 2115 02:18:26.280 --> 02:18:28.680 Well, why do they all? And we're saying in Uni said, 2116 02:18:28.680 --> 02:18:31.760 why do they always have to come back? She screamed, 2117 02:18:31.799 --> 02:18:36.079 and that in that moment, in that instant, I remember that, 2118 02:18:36.920 --> 02:18:40.680 I said, I remember that. Yeah, and then and I 2119 02:18:40.719 --> 02:18:45.280 could detail that, and I remember the time, holy shit, 2120 02:18:45.719 --> 02:18:49.760 confronted with it and that was it their whole. Now, 2121 02:18:49.799 --> 02:18:51.840 I don't know how much I've recovered, and Shawn doesn't 2122 02:18:51.840 --> 02:18:52.760 know how much he's recovered. 2123 02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:56.280 Sure, even the things we recovered, the incidents, we only 2124 02:18:56.319 --> 02:18:57.879 remember bits and pieces of him. 2125 02:18:58.040 --> 02:19:00.799 Quite often, there's only a couple I remember all the 2126 02:19:00.840 --> 02:19:04.280 way through. But you know what, you're more alert at 2127 02:19:04.280 --> 02:19:06.600 the beginning and the end, and you're alert in the 2128 02:19:06.600 --> 02:19:09.479 middle only when they need you to be thinking, like 2129 02:19:09.520 --> 02:19:13.159 when they were testing you, those times, like when they 2130 02:19:13.280 --> 02:19:17.520 were taking you to secret school, like when they were 2131 02:19:17.559 --> 02:19:23.399 introducing me to my hybrid. So, yeah, it was right then, 2132 02:19:24.040 --> 02:19:26.079 and that was nineteen ninety six, and that was a 2133 02:19:26.200 --> 02:19:31.200 turning point in my life anyway, and since then I've 2134 02:19:31.200 --> 02:19:34.920 been out there as a real advocate, and that's when 2135 02:19:35.000 --> 02:19:40.639 we talked about it for the first time as conscious people. 2136 02:19:41.799 --> 02:19:46.079 And I'll tell you it's spent thirty years, but I'm 2137 02:19:46.120 --> 02:19:52.399 still angry. These beings are no good. Okay, what they're 2138 02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:56.799 doing is for their own benefit and not ours. I mean, 2139 02:19:56.920 --> 02:19:59.600 John will have a nice position when they take over. 2140 02:20:00.319 --> 02:20:04.520 But I am willing to say that this is an invasion. 2141 02:20:05.079 --> 02:20:08.280 This is a takeover. They're taking this planet and all 2142 02:20:08.280 --> 02:20:11.559 its resources, and we're the number one resource right now. 2143 02:20:12.479 --> 02:20:17.200 That's why they're making all these hybrids that look so human. 2144 02:20:18.120 --> 02:20:21.479 They can live here, they can hide among us as 2145 02:20:21.520 --> 02:20:24.360 they slowly do whatever they're doing. All I know is this. 2146 02:20:24.600 --> 02:20:27.159 They said to me, the doll Granny said to me 2147 02:20:27.280 --> 02:20:33.159 several times. Soon we will all live here together and 2148 02:20:33.319 --> 02:20:40.239 everyone will know his place. Now, where's our place? Let's 2149 02:20:40.239 --> 02:20:43.319 face it. They don't ask our permission for anything, and 2150 02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:45.360 they do all kinds of awful things, and they come 2151 02:20:45.399 --> 02:20:48.040 again and again and again. In fact, I blame them 2152 02:20:48.040 --> 02:20:51.079 for my bad grades in school. You're so tired. I 2153 02:20:51.159 --> 02:20:53.840 wake up exhaust I'm like, why am I exhausted? Oh? 2154 02:20:53.879 --> 02:20:55.920 You were working in the you know, you know there 2155 02:20:55.920 --> 02:20:59.040 are other words besides abductee that I think fit and 2156 02:21:00.200 --> 02:21:05.200 like a forced employee is one. It really fits. But 2157 02:21:05.280 --> 02:21:10.000 we discussed that, and so right, Sean tired they took 2158 02:21:10.040 --> 02:21:11.079 you all the time. 2159 02:21:11.360 --> 02:21:14.799 Yeah, yeah, I was getting I was going to bed 2160 02:21:14.920 --> 02:21:19.239 early and to make sure I got my sleep at night. 2161 02:21:19.600 --> 02:21:22.000 And I remember going to bed and get you ten 2162 02:21:22.040 --> 02:21:25.520 hours every night quote unquote. Yeah that's minus the time 2163 02:21:25.559 --> 02:21:26.600 they were taking me. 2164 02:21:27.559 --> 02:21:30.360 Minus five. You know it was. 2165 02:21:31.079 --> 02:21:34.680 It was exhausting and difficult. 2166 02:21:34.920 --> 02:21:37.959 Yeah, well, they're exploiting us, and they don't you know, 2167 02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:40.440 they can be kind, but I'm sure there were some 2168 02:21:40.479 --> 02:21:43.280 prison guards that Traplenka who were nice people too, But 2169 02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:46.239 I don't think what they're doing is good for us. Now, 2170 02:21:46.239 --> 02:21:48.040 Sean and I we disagree on this. 2171 02:21:49.360 --> 02:21:51.879 Yeah, well, as far as it takes, I I'll simply 2172 02:21:51.879 --> 02:21:55.840 say that I don't know what their ultimate agenda is. 2173 02:21:56.639 --> 02:22:00.319 I really don't know. They never told me. I have 2174 02:22:00.319 --> 02:22:02.159 to speculate like everybody else. 2175 02:22:02.639 --> 02:22:04.559 So I just know what. 2176 02:22:04.440 --> 02:22:09.639 They've done with me, And you know, I find it 2177 02:22:09.680 --> 02:22:13.600 difficult to believe that they spend so much time. First 2178 02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:15.280 of all, I find it difficult to believe that they 2179 02:22:15.319 --> 02:22:20.239 would spend so much resources and time on children to 2180 02:22:20.360 --> 02:22:24.040 take them again and again and again, and you're looking 2181 02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:28.079 at a minimum of three aliens doing it. The spaceship 2182 02:22:28.120 --> 02:22:32.719 they're coming in on, risking being seen or crashing perhaps 2183 02:22:33.319 --> 02:22:36.120 to come and get a kid for the umpteenth time, 2184 02:22:36.879 --> 02:22:38.040 to do what to them. 2185 02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:40.559 It doesn't make any sense, you know. But what makes 2186 02:22:40.600 --> 02:22:42.319 even less sense, and this is a good point to 2187 02:22:42.360 --> 02:22:44.319 mention this is you only hear a lot of people 2188 02:22:44.360 --> 02:22:50.239 talking about my labs that it's the military. It's men, 2189 02:22:50.719 --> 02:22:53.479 human men who are doing all this subduction. There are 2190 02:22:53.559 --> 02:22:56.520 quote unquote experts out there saying, oh, ninety nine percent 2191 02:22:56.559 --> 02:22:59.079 of what you see is just as people, and the 2192 02:22:59.200 --> 02:23:04.680 people are doing the abductions military abductions. It's not you know, 2193 02:23:04.760 --> 02:23:07.920 I'm not saying there never were aliens, but it's people 2194 02:23:07.959 --> 02:23:13.479 doing this. Let's just turn off the nonsense for one 2195 02:23:13.520 --> 02:23:19.040 minute and take a look. They're proposing that our military 2196 02:23:19.479 --> 02:23:24.600 has alien technology, or in some cases they're proposing that 2197 02:23:24.639 --> 02:23:28.600 we invented it like in the fifties. Well, which doesn't 2198 02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:31.959 explain all the sightings and Europe and the twenties of 2199 02:23:32.879 --> 02:23:37.000 silver disk shape craft. So that's nonsense right there. These 2200 02:23:37.000 --> 02:23:41.399 are alien ships and there's nothing that's hovering silently outside 2201 02:23:41.440 --> 02:23:45.520 your house while a couple of couple of corporals march 2202 02:23:45.600 --> 02:23:49.920 into your home and grab you and take you out. 2203 02:23:50.520 --> 02:23:53.000 I'm sorry, it's nonsense. And they're in the middle of 2204 02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:57.200 the busy neighborhood, a suburban neighborhood. That's what this secret 2205 02:23:57.280 --> 02:24:00.479 military thing is all about. Show it up in a 2206 02:24:00.559 --> 02:24:04.600 busy suburban neighborhood and you know, marching into a house 2207 02:24:04.680 --> 02:24:09.600 and grabbing kids and families. Now, okay, so they have 2208 02:24:09.639 --> 02:24:12.680 these alien trips. They do that fantastic. Do they have 2209 02:24:12.719 --> 02:24:16.120 mind control as well? They are? They turning on a 2210 02:24:16.200 --> 02:24:20.159 government issued mind control device, which just makes you think 2211 02:24:20.760 --> 02:24:24.200 it's gray aliens you're looking at and talking to. Wow, 2212 02:24:24.319 --> 02:24:29.440 that's pretty specific. You mean the government has this mind 2213 02:24:29.440 --> 02:24:32.239 control device. It's so effective, makes everyone see the same 2214 02:24:32.319 --> 02:24:36.280 gray aliens instead of you know, guys with crew cuts 2215 02:24:36.319 --> 02:24:39.719 looking like a Beetled Bailey and Gomer Pyle coming in 2216 02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:42.000 your house and taking you. Oh no, turn on the 2217 02:24:42.040 --> 02:24:46.399 alien mind control shields so they think we're grays. We don't. 2218 02:24:46.879 --> 02:24:51.719 The military does not have that kind of mind control device. 2219 02:24:51.920 --> 02:24:55.000 I'm sorry, because if they did, and they've had it 2220 02:24:55.040 --> 02:24:58.200 for tecades, they'd have been using it on you and 2221 02:24:58.319 --> 02:25:04.040 the entire world. They cannot control your mind, they cannot 2222 02:25:04.239 --> 02:25:07.079 make you forget your experiences. And let's put it this way, 2223 02:25:07.360 --> 02:25:10.959 if they're pretending to be gray aliens, well then why 2224 02:25:11.000 --> 02:25:14.319 do they bother? Why did they cover up your experiences 2225 02:25:14.440 --> 02:25:16.520 so you don't even run over the gray aliens when 2226 02:25:16.520 --> 02:25:18.680 it wasn't allegedly the grey aliens at all. It was 2227 02:25:18.719 --> 02:25:21.920 the military people who are so smart with the spaceship 2228 02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:26.319 inventions in my control. Okay, here's another one. They levitate you, 2229 02:25:26.879 --> 02:25:30.079 all right, They levitate you up into their ships. Add 2230 02:25:30.079 --> 02:25:35.280 that to the military arsenal, the levitation now without any 2231 02:25:35.639 --> 02:25:39.520 visible equipment, they just levitate you up. It sounds like 2232 02:25:39.559 --> 02:25:41.079 your ravage military troop. Right. 2233 02:25:41.200 --> 02:25:45.239 Sure, let's not forget teleportation. 2234 02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:46.959 The teleportation they teleported you to your Well, it was 2235 02:25:47.000 --> 02:25:51.399 the military. They've gotten teleportation too, I guess right. And 2236 02:25:51.440 --> 02:25:53.079 they have the ability to walk through walls. 2237 02:25:53.360 --> 02:25:56.440 Yeah, and not only them walk through the walls, but 2238 02:25:56.559 --> 02:25:59.159 walk you through the walls and windows as well. 2239 02:25:59.319 --> 02:26:03.159 I had no military budget was so high that they've 2240 02:26:03.159 --> 02:26:06.799 developed the ability to pass through solid objects and grab 2241 02:26:06.840 --> 02:26:10.520 a person and make them pass through solid objects. 2242 02:26:10.520 --> 02:26:13.120 And what would they do with this technology. 2243 02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:14.280 And this is what they're doing with it. You know 2244 02:26:14.360 --> 02:26:17.680 what they're all right, if we had this technology since 2245 02:26:17.680 --> 02:26:22.280 the fifties, just these ships, why did we lose Vietnam? 2246 02:26:23.120 --> 02:26:25.680 Why didn't some military guy go to the people who 2247 02:26:26.079 --> 02:26:29.040 the branch that are holding the secret saucer. Why didn't 2248 02:26:29.040 --> 02:26:31.079 they go to them and say, hey, you know what, 2249 02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:34.079 we are getting our asses kicked in Vietnam. I don't 2250 02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:37.680 want to lose a war. How about you just loan 2251 02:26:37.840 --> 02:26:41.520 us the two flying saucers. We can take out the 2252 02:26:41.520 --> 02:26:44.879 North North Vietnamese and two days. Just loan us for 2253 02:26:44.920 --> 02:26:47.840 two days, loan us two saucers, and we can make 2254 02:26:47.879 --> 02:26:50.479 it so America wins this war. And then the people 2255 02:26:50.520 --> 02:26:54.959 in charge with flying saucers say what they say, no way, 2256 02:26:55.200 --> 02:26:58.799 no way, you can't borrow them. We've got important things 2257 02:26:58.879 --> 02:27:02.440 to do with these other officer says like what got 2258 02:27:02.479 --> 02:27:10.319 to go abduct a bunch of toddlers out of suburban neighborhoods? What? Yeah, 2259 02:27:10.440 --> 02:27:13.559 you know, three four, five years old? Yeah, that's what 2260 02:27:13.639 --> 02:27:15.520 we got it. That's what we're doing. Can't give you 2261 02:27:15.559 --> 02:27:19.079 a couple of shits to win a war. Come on, 2262 02:27:19.200 --> 02:27:23.360 at what point do you start to realize how absolutely 2263 02:27:24.040 --> 02:27:29.120 daffy and silly the notion is. Then it's military people 2264 02:27:29.159 --> 02:27:33.040 doing this to us. It's absurd, And okay, the aliens 2265 02:27:33.040 --> 02:27:36.719 are doing hybridization, that's what they're doing. Exactly what kind 2266 02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:40.079 of hybrids are the military making If there's no aliens 2267 02:27:40.079 --> 02:27:41.959 involved in the first place, what are they trying to 2268 02:27:41.959 --> 02:27:46.000 cross breed an enlisted man with an officer class the 2269 02:27:46.040 --> 02:27:52.079 first corporal slash colonel the pernel. It's absurd, and it's 2270 02:27:52.360 --> 02:27:57.520 it's two things. One is human centric thinking. There we're 2271 02:27:57.879 --> 02:28:01.399 always trying to make it so it's about us, or 2272 02:28:01.440 --> 02:28:04.159 it's us doing it, or it's us from the future, 2273 02:28:04.559 --> 02:28:06.559 or if it's us from in the past and the 2274 02:28:06.639 --> 02:28:11.200 sideways to mension, these things are just us. So it's okay, 2275 02:28:11.319 --> 02:28:16.200 don't worry, it's us the military doing this. Why they 2276 02:28:16.319 --> 02:28:19.600 just you know, they have things to do. So sadly, 2277 02:28:19.840 --> 02:28:23.079 all of this is the result of aliens. It is 2278 02:28:23.200 --> 02:28:29.600 the result of superior beings from somewhere else, and it 2279 02:28:29.639 --> 02:28:32.680 is in us. These things aren't even it's not us 2280 02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:35.239 from the future. They're not even mammals. They're not even 2281 02:28:35.280 --> 02:28:39.120 close to mammals, like we evolved to the point we're 2282 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:43.760 part insect and we have a telepathic i'd mind. I 2283 02:28:43.760 --> 02:28:47.159 don't know, I don't know. Come on, gotta grow up. 2284 02:28:47.360 --> 02:28:49.559 People have to grow up and face what's going on here. 2285 02:28:50.040 --> 02:28:52.879 Good stuff, guys. I'd just like to just pop to 2286 02:28:53.079 --> 02:28:56.559 bud them in it. What was the situations surrounding Bud Hopkins? 2287 02:28:56.799 --> 02:28:58.719 Was he there to in two thousand and five? Was 2288 02:28:58.760 --> 02:29:03.120 he there to interview youially about the nineteen ninety six encounter. 2289 02:29:03.440 --> 02:29:06.920 Well, send out, you know, an email to the Intruder Foundation. 2290 02:29:07.040 --> 02:29:09.799 He's a legend and we were still getting aware of 2291 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:12.719 all these things, you know, of who was what, and 2292 02:29:12.760 --> 02:29:15.479 he was the manicoined the phrase missing time. He's a 2293 02:29:15.479 --> 02:29:18.239 big guy who As I contact him, I said my brother, 2294 02:29:18.600 --> 02:29:22.280 I said, my brother is an abductee. We're all abductees. 2295 02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:25.719 And my brother's a cop, an active duty police officer. 2296 02:29:26.239 --> 02:29:31.040 And we witnessed him being returned from a daylight abduction. 2297 02:29:31.440 --> 02:29:34.680 And he said, oh my beer, and he came up 2298 02:29:34.879 --> 02:29:38.479 like fast, within like a week or two. He was 2299 02:29:38.639 --> 02:29:42.360 very excited because you know, a police officer. 2300 02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:46.840 Yeah, not only that, just the simple witnessed abduction is 2301 02:29:46.879 --> 02:29:52.239 incredibly rare. You know, there's Travis Walton, there's the Linda 2302 02:29:52.319 --> 02:29:55.799 Cortil case in New York City, and I think there's 2303 02:29:55.840 --> 02:29:59.520 a couple of more out there, but it's pretty rare 2304 02:29:59.559 --> 02:30:03.799 and it's but let alone, including a police officer and 2305 02:30:03.879 --> 02:30:05.520 a daylight abduction. 2306 02:30:06.200 --> 02:30:07.799 Yeah, So he came up. He wanted to see all 2307 02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:11.280 the places that we were that these things happened, and 2308 02:30:11.399 --> 02:30:14.399 he interviewed all four of us on my mother and 2309 02:30:14.520 --> 02:30:17.000 my dad, and they never wanted to talk about it. 2310 02:30:17.399 --> 02:30:20.440 I'm like, please just talk to this guy. And my 2311 02:30:20.559 --> 02:30:24.159 parents loved us very much, and so they said okay, 2312 02:30:25.159 --> 02:30:27.680 and they talked about things they'd never talked about. 2313 02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:30.360 Including many things we haven't covered tonight. 2314 02:30:30.479 --> 02:30:33.239 Oh yeah, I mean you know you can't. But so 2315 02:30:33.760 --> 02:30:37.639 and he went to he was on CNN and he 2316 02:30:37.719 --> 02:30:42.440 declared our case to be an important case involving an 2317 02:30:42.520 --> 02:30:46.760 active duty police officer who has witnessed being returned from 2318 02:30:46.799 --> 02:30:51.840 an abduction by his family at a picnic in daylight. 2319 02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:56.840 So got that going for us, and it was great 2320 02:30:56.840 --> 02:30:58.840 that we did that. It was it brought a lot 2321 02:30:58.879 --> 02:31:03.799 of light and closure. I ain't used the word, let's 2322 02:31:03.799 --> 02:31:07.959 call it light and disclosure to our experiences. I'm grateful 2323 02:31:08.840 --> 02:31:11.639 for having met the man and he's the most fascinating 2324 02:31:12.280 --> 02:31:16.879 dinner guest you've ever heard. He told us things that 2325 02:31:16.920 --> 02:31:20.159 he never put in the box and over two bottles 2326 02:31:20.159 --> 02:31:24.360 of wonderful red wine. It was a night I'll never forget. 2327 02:31:24.440 --> 02:31:26.600 Yeah, and it was just weeks after we met him 2328 02:31:26.600 --> 02:31:29.879 that he discussed our case on CNN, and you know, 2329 02:31:29.959 --> 02:31:31.840 it was pretty exciting to hear. It was the one 2330 02:31:31.879 --> 02:31:35.120 and only case that he had mentioned. Uh, and he 2331 02:31:35.159 --> 02:31:37.200 did declare it an important case. 2332 02:31:37.520 --> 02:31:39.520 Yeah, oh that's wonderful. 2333 02:31:39.600 --> 02:31:41.600 Yeah, it's good that you got to meet him. Yeah, 2334 02:31:41.639 --> 02:31:44.719 good stuff. Sean. You obviously retired now, but when you're 2335 02:31:44.760 --> 02:31:48.639 a police officer, did you ever get any calls that 2336 02:31:48.920 --> 02:31:50.360 were a little bit strange? 2337 02:31:50.719 --> 02:31:54.879 It's great you mentioned I encountered one time myself while 2338 02:31:54.879 --> 02:31:58.680 on duty that I know of. But yeah, there are 2339 02:31:59.520 --> 02:32:01.959 pulled up my driveway, which I'd make stops at my 2340 02:32:01.959 --> 02:32:04.000 house every once in a while work the midnight shift. 2341 02:32:04.200 --> 02:32:06.879 And as I did, I've had an open courtyard with 2342 02:32:06.959 --> 02:32:08.959 no roof over it. As I was walking to the 2343 02:32:08.959 --> 02:32:14.280 front door, and I noticed three spaceships fly by from 2344 02:32:14.360 --> 02:32:18.440 the north to the south, and you know, you're immediately startled. 2345 02:32:19.120 --> 02:32:23.000 Then there's relief because they kept going and then one 2346 02:32:23.040 --> 02:32:26.200 of them turns around and starts heading back towards you. 2347 02:32:26.719 --> 02:32:29.799 So then panic comes right back. And I tried getting 2348 02:32:29.799 --> 02:32:32.159 in my front door and I fell through the front 2349 02:32:32.200 --> 02:32:35.440 you know, not I tripped going into the front door, 2350 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:39.319 and that the ship had landed in my driveway in 2351 02:32:39.319 --> 02:32:43.040 front of the police car the one approach through the courtyard. 2352 02:32:43.120 --> 02:32:48.680 I had pulled my gun in fear, and he simply says, well, 2353 02:32:49.440 --> 02:32:52.079 you're gonna be like that, and he turned around and 2354 02:32:52.120 --> 02:32:54.920 started walking towards the ship, and I put my gun 2355 02:32:54.959 --> 02:32:58.239 away and chased after him, basically saying. 2356 02:32:58.040 --> 02:32:58.760 No, no, no, no, no no. 2357 02:32:59.399 --> 02:33:03.159 You know, I'm apologetic because then you remember, Yeah, yeah, 2358 02:33:03.200 --> 02:33:05.600 it was when they come you don't remember. 2359 02:33:06.159 --> 02:33:08.920 But there were that we had. There were two other 2360 02:33:08.959 --> 02:33:14.959 police officers in my department who took photographs of UFOs. 2361 02:33:15.760 --> 02:33:16.879 One on duty. 2362 02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:18.520 And there was another. 2363 02:33:18.280 --> 02:33:21.680 Call that I'm aware of that a. 2364 02:33:21.600 --> 02:33:25.959 Woman reported a UFO landing in her backyard in our city. 2365 02:33:26.360 --> 02:33:30.360 And we recently met somebody online who lives right near 2366 02:33:30.479 --> 02:33:35.319 us who claimed contact as well, and he lived less than. 2367 02:33:35.200 --> 02:33:38.079 A mile from our home. Yeah, and also there were 2368 02:33:38.120 --> 02:33:41.680 police incidents that they would never write a report on, 2369 02:33:42.440 --> 02:33:43.799 but they tell each other. 2370 02:33:44.239 --> 02:33:47.760 And there were a couple of former MPs or one 2371 02:33:47.840 --> 02:33:50.959 MP anyway who had He didn't see them themselves, but 2372 02:33:51.040 --> 02:33:54.479 he responded to UFO calls when he was assigned to 2373 02:33:54.879 --> 02:33:57.520 somewhere in Europe. It might have been Germany, but most 2374 02:33:57.559 --> 02:34:01.719 of the police department would laugh it off. No way, 2375 02:34:01.799 --> 02:34:06.280 can we take UFO seriously? Maybe ten percent did, but 2376 02:34:06.559 --> 02:34:08.959 you know they were so good and what they can 2377 02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:12.760 manipulate your brain so well? If they could make us 2378 02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:15.239 forget most of that and go through a good portion 2379 02:34:15.479 --> 02:34:18.840 anyway of our lives not remembering this, how many other 2380 02:34:18.879 --> 02:34:21.680 people are they doing this too? There's plenty of people 2381 02:34:21.719 --> 02:34:25.120 out there who have no idea there being abducted, yet 2382 02:34:25.159 --> 02:34:25.600 they are. 2383 02:34:26.440 --> 02:34:28.360 We were two of them. And if it wasn't for 2384 02:34:28.399 --> 02:34:32.360 this one incident, I can't stress it was. It changed 2385 02:34:32.399 --> 02:34:35.040 our lives. It wasn't for that, we wouldn't be talking 2386 02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:37.000 to you or anyone about it. I would I would 2387 02:34:37.040 --> 02:34:40.120 go to my grave thinking the most exciting thing I 2388 02:34:40.159 --> 02:34:45.600 did was travel around following the grateful dead, which was great. 2389 02:34:45.760 --> 02:34:49.000 But I wouldn't know, and that makes you angry, It 2390 02:34:49.040 --> 02:34:52.200 makes you feel violated and used. But I'm glad I 2391 02:34:52.239 --> 02:34:56.760 do know. Someone asked us. If you could forget again 2392 02:34:57.040 --> 02:35:00.280 and never know this happened to you, would you thinking 2393 02:35:00.280 --> 02:35:01.760 about it? I have to say no, I would not. 2394 02:35:03.079 --> 02:35:05.239 Knowledge is power. I want to know the truth about 2395 02:35:05.239 --> 02:35:05.639 my life. 2396 02:35:06.559 --> 02:35:08.680 So yeah, if I had the choice, I wish it 2397 02:35:08.719 --> 02:35:11.159 had never happened to us in the first place. Life 2398 02:35:11.200 --> 02:35:14.440 would be a lot simpler. But you know, it has happened, 2399 02:35:14.520 --> 02:35:18.000 and I think I've handled it better than I think 2400 02:35:18.040 --> 02:35:21.680 most people would. I think partially because they treated me 2401 02:35:21.719 --> 02:35:25.319 so well as a kid. They really did. There's a 2402 02:35:25.360 --> 02:35:28.840 lot of instances where they did things for me better 2403 02:35:28.840 --> 02:35:33.000 of fact, so very specific things for my benefit. 2404 02:35:33.399 --> 02:35:36.799 Interesting stuff, guys, Thank you for sharing that great well. 2405 02:35:36.840 --> 02:35:38.639 I want to thank you for giving us so much 2406 02:35:38.719 --> 02:35:42.040 time and you what a wonderful podcast you have. We're 2407 02:35:42.040 --> 02:35:44.200 going to continue to listen, even to the ones we're 2408 02:35:44.200 --> 02:35:48.719 not on, but thank you for letting us get out there. 2409 02:35:48.719 --> 02:35:52.079 And you know, no problem, ris Sean, I really appreciate 2410 02:35:52.120 --> 02:35:54.159 you for coming on and sharing all that for our listeners. 2411 02:35:54.360 --> 02:35:56.040 Thank you, Nick, Well, thanks for having me talk to 2412 02:35:56.079 --> 02:35:56.479 you soon. 2413 02:35:56.680 --> 02:36:00.399 Keeping contact all right, take care and we will speak soon. 2414 02:36:01.639 --> 02:36:05.319 Thanks well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated 2415 02:36:05.479 --> 02:36:09.159 and connected with the show on X Facebook and Instagram. 2416 02:36:09.200 --> 02:36:11.079 And if you have an encounter that you'd like to 2417 02:36:11.079 --> 02:36:14.680 share on the podcast, you can email me at UFO 2418 02:36:14.799 --> 02:36:18.440 Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can reach out 2419 02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:21.680 to me via the contact page on my website UFO 2420 02:36:21.840 --> 02:36:25.600 Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Chris 2421 02:36:25.639 --> 02:36:29.000 and Sean for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening. 2422 02:36:29.399 --> 02:36:33.200 I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe 2423 02:36:33.840 --> 02:37:36.559 and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,