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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 2: all doing? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast. In this Grippin episode, our guest tonight come
Speaker 2: to us for New York State brothers Chris and Shann O'Leary,
Speaker 2: lifelong alien abductees whose lives have been marked by decades
Speaker 2: of chilling encounters. From childhood experiences of missing time to
Speaker 2: adulthood visit by unworldly entities, their story is nothing short
Speaker 2: of astonishing. Shan, a retired police officer, opens up about
Speaker 2: the night he was pushed to the brink when he
Speaker 2: drew his weapon on a being that defied or earthly explanation. Together,
Speaker 2: the O'Leary brothers peel back the layers of a lifelong mystery,
Speaker 2: sharing not only their personal accounts, but the emotional and
Speaker 2: psychological told these encounters have taken. They describe moments of
Speaker 2: haunting sense of being watched night after night. For Chris
Speaker 2: and Shan, the abductions didn't stop when they grew up.
Speaker 2: They only deepened, raising disturbing questions about the nature of
Speaker 2: those beings and their intent. Are these encounters just part
Speaker 2: of a larger alien agenda and what happens when those
Speaker 2: trained to uphold the law come face to face with
Speaker 2: something utterly beyond it. Join us as we explore the
Speaker 2: extraordinary lives of two brothers caught in a decade long
Speaker 2: encounter with the unknown, a journey that challenge is not
Speaker 2: only their understanding of reality, but ours as well. Chris
Speaker 2: and Sean are up next. But first, if you enjoy
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Speaker 5: Now on the.
Speaker 2: Show, Hello, Chris and Sean, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you Nick.
Speaker 2: Thank you both for coming on today. And you're calling
Speaker 2: for New York State.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're in the Hudson Valley upstate New York, which
Speaker 1: is one of the UFO and alien abduction hotspots in
Speaker 1: the country. Whitley Strieber was taken that far from here,
Speaker 1: and in the eighties there was a huge spate of
Speaker 1: sightings and abductions that the legendary J. Allen Heinek came
Speaker 1: and investigated and wrote a book called Night Siege. So
Speaker 1: this is a place of weirdness for whatever reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're in a small town north of Albany, sarah Tooga Springs,
Speaker 1: New York. A wonderful town of about thirty thousand people.
Speaker 1: It's grown considerably since these events started for us.
Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff.
Speaker 5: Indeed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a bit of a hotspot al right. Okay,
Speaker 2: now guys, you have some experiences to share that starts
Speaker 2: back in the late fifties. Would you like to start
Speaker 2: in the beginning please.
Speaker 1: Well, it started with my mother before we were born.
Speaker 1: And here's how we know about this incident. When we
Speaker 1: were kids in the seventies, we would be at my
Speaker 1: grandparents' house, my mother's parents, and whenever there was a
Speaker 1: mention of a UFO on TV, you know, like a
Speaker 1: sighting on the local news something like that, our grandparents
Speaker 1: would go, oh, that's just like with your mother, remember
Speaker 1: that rose in And they would bring it up every time,
Speaker 1: and the story was from the three of them. My
Speaker 1: mother was about twelve thirteen years old, very beautiful Italian
Speaker 1: Irish girl, and we're living a very wonderful small town
Speaker 1: and very safe and suburban in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: And my mother was walking her dog by the family dog.
Speaker 1: My mother had a poodle skirt on she had just
Speaker 1: gotten and this was nineteen fifty nine, so that was
Speaker 1: like a trend. And she actually had a poodle, you know,
Speaker 1: a jet black poodle named Jet, you know, not surprising one.
Speaker 1: She was walking the dog only a block from her
Speaker 1: parents' house, no more than two hundred yards, and it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful sunny day, and as she was walking
Speaker 1: the dog, suddenly a big shadow over the ground, blotting
Speaker 1: out the sun, leaving her in shadow. And she saw
Speaker 1: that the shadow was covered width of the road and
Speaker 1: also part of the lawns on either side, the houses
Speaker 1: on either side of the street. And she looked up
Speaker 1: and she said there was a big triangle right over
Speaker 1: her head, only about twenty feet in the air. We
Speaker 1: pressed her details over the years, and she said it
Speaker 1: was it was like a pencil, like a graph height,
Speaker 1: a dark graphight gray, and that it seemed to be
Speaker 1: all three sides were about equal, an equilateral triangle, and
Speaker 1: there were seams where there were different parts to it.
Speaker 1: And she said there looked like recessed circles that could
Speaker 1: have been round lights, and her thought was, what is
Speaker 1: keeping this up because there was no sound. It was
Speaker 1: just suddenly there above her and there was no engine
Speaker 1: or noise or anything like that. In that second which
Speaker 1: she looks up and she sees there was a black
Speaker 1: hatch in the center of the underside of the triangle,
Speaker 1: and she said it was so black. She said, she
Speaker 1: was looking at it and it was so completely black.
Speaker 1: And then the next thing she remembered is that she
Speaker 1: was standing there on the road, but it was night.
Speaker 1: It was hours later, and she started walking home and
Speaker 1: her parents were were putting their coats on. They were
Speaker 1: going to go looking for her. They had they wondered
Speaker 1: why she was late. They'd called her friends in the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: They hadn't seen her. It was a very safe town,
Speaker 1: so there was no reason to panic. But what happened
Speaker 1: was the dog had eventually wandered back on his own,
Speaker 1: and they were paniced. They were going to look for her,
Speaker 1: and if they didn't find her, they were going to
Speaker 1: the police. And just then she walks up and she
Speaker 1: tells them this incident with the triangle, and that's all
Speaker 1: she knows, and she stuck to her story all through
Speaker 1: her child in good and teen years, and we were
Speaker 1: always reminded of it. And that's where as far as
Speaker 1: I know, that's as far back as we could trace
Speaker 1: the abductions in our family. The funny thing is when
Speaker 1: we're being told about it, we weren't really interested. We
Speaker 1: didn't have an interest in UFOs even though we were
Speaker 1: abducted all the time. The aliens are so good covering
Speaker 1: your memories their mind powers, right seaw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a lot of people out there
Speaker 4: who were abducted to have no idea what's happened to them.
Speaker 4: That's how good they are at what they do. They've
Speaker 4: taken me and the middle of the day while I
Speaker 4: was wide awake, and I had no idea they had
Speaker 4: taken me, So you know, they're operating at a different level.
Speaker 1: For sure, their ability to manipulate our minds is there.
Speaker 1: It's their greatest strength. A lot of people mistakenly assume
Speaker 1: that their greatest advantage over us is their advanced technology,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, beyond human understanding. But they're wrong.
Speaker 1: That's the way people think their greatest advantage from what
Speaker 1: we've experienced over fifty sixty years is not their technology
Speaker 1: as much as it is their ability to control you,
Speaker 1: to control your mind to whatever level they want. They
Speaker 1: this is the way they work. They'll come in your house.
Speaker 1: They'll just walk in your house. They'll the aliens have
Speaker 1: been in more homes than the Property Brothers on HGTV.
Speaker 1: They're in new homes all the time. I'm surprised. They
Speaker 1: don't comment on your decorps or your floor plan layout.
Speaker 1: They just walk into your house. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: They'll land in your backyard if they have a small ship,
Speaker 1: or they'll hover next to your house. If they have
Speaker 1: a bigger ship, and they'll walk into your house. They'll
Speaker 1: open your door and walk in, or they will they
Speaker 1: will walk through a closed door or a closed window,
Speaker 1: a picture window, or they can teleport in in they're in,
Speaker 1: they teleport you back. Sometimes these beings are extremely powerful,
Speaker 1: but they walk in and it doesn't matter if this
Speaker 1: is my fifteenth abduction or my thirtieth. It's always a shock.
Speaker 1: It's a big enormous shock because they don't let you
Speaker 1: remember that you've been taken by them dozens and dozens
Speaker 1: of times already, so every time it is a shock
Speaker 1: to your system. These creatures walking into your house. What
Speaker 1: are they? They're monsters, They look like insects. They don't
Speaker 1: look like they should be able to live. I've seen
Speaker 1: a short break walking towards the back door of our
Speaker 1: house in an incident that Sean remembers clearly and my
Speaker 1: mother did, and which in the middle of the day
Speaker 1: they landed in a small, shallow craft that looked like
Speaker 1: one of those airstream trailers from the fifties, except up
Speaker 1: on its side, and they started walking, and in broad daylight,
Speaker 1: I'm watching the short gray walk across our lawn and
Speaker 1: I was ten. This was nineteen seventy three, early seventy four,
Speaker 1: and my thought looking at this thing walking across our
Speaker 1: lawn was that there is no way that that's real.
Speaker 1: That thing, it can't be real. It can't really be alive,
Speaker 1: because it went against all the rules of animals and
Speaker 1: preachers that I see that can walk. His legs in
Speaker 1: his arms were as thin as a broomstick, a wooden broomstick.
Speaker 1: It didn't seem that there was any muscle involved. And
Speaker 1: this small torso and there's a big egg shaped head
Speaker 1: was sitting on this broomstick neck, and my mind could
Speaker 1: not understand how that could support ahead like that. They
Speaker 1: really didn't seem to be something that could exist, let
Speaker 1: alone be walking across my yard at about you know,
Speaker 1: eleven thirty in the morning to my door, but it
Speaker 1: was accompanied by a tall gray and they're you know,
Speaker 1: they look at least like something that's capable of locomotion
Speaker 1: and all kinds of things. And then of course the grays,
Speaker 1: small grays are the lower rank.
Speaker 4: Sure, definitely, the tall grays are in charge of the
Speaker 4: short grays. It's usually the shorter grays who deal directly
Speaker 4: with the abductees, and the seems like the taller grays
Speaker 4: supervise they're right.
Speaker 1: And the small grays are like always, you know, they're
Speaker 1: scared to death of making mistake and screwing up and
Speaker 1: making the tall gray ad It's very hierarchical, it's very regimented.
Speaker 1: But my point is they so every time you see
Speaker 1: them it's a shock, even though you've seen them again
Speaker 1: and again. And when they get closer, when they're inside
Speaker 1: your house, when they're near to you, here's what they do.
Speaker 1: They say, wait, wait, you remember me, You remember me, right?
Speaker 1: And in that moment, what they do is they unlock
Speaker 1: your memories of them. In my case, it's always been
Speaker 1: when they're pretty close, like in the room. Until then
Speaker 1: you're panicking. But once they get close, they go, well,
Speaker 1: you remember me, right, and they just reach into your mind.
Speaker 1: They open that, and not only do they they unlock
Speaker 1: your memories, and they unlock all your memories point so
Speaker 1: you remember everything you've done together. And why do they
Speaker 1: do that? I think a part of it is so
Speaker 1: they don't have to answer the same questions a one
Speaker 1: hundred times every time they take you. And another thing
Speaker 1: is I think they unlock them so that you are
Speaker 1: up to speed on what they do and what you're
Speaker 1: expected to do and what's ahead during the abduction, so
Speaker 1: it's not you know, and I'm not.
Speaker 4: Starting from scratch every time.
Speaker 1: Right, They don't have to right repeat themselves again and again.
Speaker 1: And they like you to be ambulatory. They don't like
Speaker 1: they don't want to carry you. They like it so
Speaker 1: you walk out when they tell you to when you
Speaker 1: get on the ship and you're cooperative, so they reach
Speaker 1: into your mind they go wait, wait, and they unlock
Speaker 1: all your memories. But they also make you like overly
Speaker 1: friendly to them, so they say wait, wait or not
Speaker 1: mean you go. I mean, of course I remember you guys,
Speaker 1: they know full well you don't remember because they manipulated
Speaker 1: you to not remember. Like, there's still nothing weird about
Speaker 1: having a room full of you know, telepathic monsters and
Speaker 1: these brain powers. It is their mind controllability that enables
Speaker 1: them to to abduct everybody.
Speaker 4: Right, sure, Yeah, they'd have a lot more trouble if
Speaker 4: they couldn't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because everyone who wakes up, they're going away to
Speaker 1: the police or the state police, or the National Guard
Speaker 1: or the air force base. And if everyone was abducted
Speaker 1: to that, how many is that a day running to
Speaker 1: the police. So they don't let you remember until they
Speaker 1: want you to remember, and then of course when they
Speaker 1: drop you off again, you forget everything. So next time
Speaker 1: they show up, it's a It gives your heart attack
Speaker 1: all over again, and then they're like, oh you remember.
Speaker 1: So that's their great power. They also, you know, can
Speaker 1: control your movements. If you're thinking of running, they just
Speaker 1: think about it, and they hear your thoughts as quick
Speaker 1: as you think them. They will paralyze you where you stand.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't blame them. We were pretty violent
Speaker 1: and we don't approach a tiger in the woods without
Speaker 1: you know, hitting them with the trank gun first. But Sean,
Speaker 1: actually he hated to be paralyzed, and you worked out
Speaker 1: a deal with a grace. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, as a child, they were coming for, you know,
Speaker 4: me all the time, and the worst part for me,
Speaker 4: and still is the worst part, is being paralyzed by
Speaker 4: them when they show up. So as a child, I
Speaker 4: told him, I said, oh, well, I use the word
Speaker 4: freeze because I was a child and that's what you
Speaker 4: associate paralyzation with. So I asked them if they wouldn't
Speaker 4: freeze me anymore, and they said, so long as I
Speaker 4: did what I was told, they wouldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 4: So they were true to their word up until recently anyway,
Speaker 4: where when they would come in, they wouldn't even paralyze me.
Speaker 4: They would just wake me up and tell me it's
Speaker 4: time to go and maybe have some small talk, that
Speaker 4: type of thing. So I wasn't paralyzed by them for
Speaker 4: a good chunk of my life.
Speaker 1: It was much different with me. I mean, Sean and
Speaker 1: I had vastly different experiences. You know, I had had
Speaker 1: a ton before he was born. But they love Sean,
Speaker 1: Sean Sean's the kind of guy and he had the
Speaker 1: right attitude. I was resistant, you know, lazy. I did not.
Speaker 1: You know, they tell me we've got to go over here,
Speaker 1: we got to go over there. I'm like, I'm slow walking,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm not into it at all. But
Speaker 1: you saw it more as like I thought.
Speaker 4: Like cool as a child, you know, you're these guys
Speaker 4: are showing up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I didn't know they were aliens. I just knew it
Speaker 1: was weird, you.
Speaker 4: Know, they'd come and get me, and you know, it
Speaker 4: was just a strange experience that I knew was weird
Speaker 4: and strange and kind of exciting. So I didn't didn't
Speaker 4: resist really when they came to get me.
Speaker 1: So, yes, we've we've had a lot of different experiences.
Speaker 1: And they treated strong better. They like him. They they
Speaker 1: taught Sean how to do things. He was much more
Speaker 1: involved than I was. But but they came a lot.
Speaker 1: They didn't always come at night. They've taken us in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, taken us out of vehicles
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 4: They even took me one time, uh, you know, not
Speaker 4: directly in front of But I had a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of friends I was with right at the next door
Speaker 4: neighbor's house, and they got me right in front of them.
Speaker 4: They had my mother called me into the house through
Speaker 4: their control. She came outside, called me inside. I went inside.
Speaker 4: My parents weren't there. I searched the house looking for
Speaker 4: walked right back outside, and half the kids were gone.
Speaker 4: I said, where'd everybody go? And the one friend told me, well,
Speaker 4: you were gone for like two hours? And I said, no,
Speaker 4: I wasn't. I just turned around inside the house and
Speaker 4: came right back out, and he chuckled and laughed, and
Speaker 4: he said, you've been going a long time. And he said,
Speaker 4: as soon as I had gone inside, they saw something
Speaker 4: shoot up in the sky right over my house, like
Speaker 4: a firework. So I mean, if it weren't for them, really,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even know it had happened.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for whatever reason, the aliens decided to involve
Speaker 1: our little family and their big, big plans, and in
Speaker 1: a very deep way, they were a thread that ran through,
Speaker 1: you know, our family tapestry. It was always there. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was a hidden seem There were many times during
Speaker 1: those years, even when our minds were extremely controlled, that
Speaker 1: we were to some degree aware there was an incident.
Speaker 1: Before my brothers came along, we were living in a
Speaker 1: house where they had taken us quite a bit. They
Speaker 1: started taking me with my mom in nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: They started taking me on my own in nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: in that house before the moon landing. Bobby Kennedy was
Speaker 1: still alive Martin Luther King. But they had come during
Speaker 1: the night, taken me, taken mom. And the next morning
Speaker 1: Dad's at work, hardworking young guy. And my mom was
Speaker 1: very young. They had us very young. And my mom
Speaker 1: was brushing her hair in the mirror in the hallway
Speaker 1: and I said to her, Hey, Mom, who were those
Speaker 1: people that were here last night? And my mom froze
Speaker 1: and turned ash white and dropped the hair abrosh and
Speaker 1: went from this pleasant attitude to having a real emotional thing.
Speaker 1: And she grabbed me. She leaned over, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was a little kit I was sure, and she
Speaker 1: grabbed me by the showhoulders and she's looking me right
Speaker 1: in the face, much like the aliens do, you know,
Speaker 1: right in the face, right in the eyes, and she's shout.
Speaker 1: It's not a shout, it's like a shout whisper, kind
Speaker 1: of like Christian and Bail did all the way through
Speaker 1: the Batman movies, you know. And she's kind of shaken me.
Speaker 1: She's gripping me tight. I'm like four or five, and
Speaker 1: this is the tightest I've been gripped. And she's serious
Speaker 1: and she says, we never.
Speaker 3: Ever ever talk about them, do you understand me?
Speaker 1: Never? And I'm like, okay, why not? And she said,
Speaker 1: because no one will believe you. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's true, and she goes, that doesn't matter. They
Speaker 1: will never ever believe you, and they will take you
Speaker 1: away from me, and they will give you to some
Speaker 1: other family and they will never let me see you again.
Speaker 1: So you can't tell any buddy. You can't tell your friends,
Speaker 1: your teacher, you can't tell your your father. Do you
Speaker 1: understand me? And I'm like, okay, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: with four solid shakes on those last words, I said, okay,
Speaker 1: got it. I won't all right, I promise, And then
Speaker 1: you know she can't. She relaxed, calmed down and like
Speaker 1: a mother, you know, mothers always have to make it better.
Speaker 1: And she said, you know, with her tone much more
Speaker 1: sympathetic and maybe looking for an upside. And she said
Speaker 1: to me besides, they don't come for us all that much, right.
Speaker 1: I was like, Uh, okay, if you say so. But
Speaker 1: my mom was in a very hard position. I mean,
Speaker 1: she knew and she knew they were taken us or me,
Speaker 1: but she couldn't protect me. And that's what a mother does.
Speaker 1: Every mother in the world at some point their kid
Speaker 1: has woken up from a nightmare or monsters under the bed,
Speaker 1: and the mom, I said, there's no such thing as monsters.
Speaker 1: You're safe. There are no monsters. There's no such thing.
Speaker 1: And all those mothers you know, meant it and believed it.
Speaker 1: But my mom knew that there were monsters and that
Speaker 1: she couldn't protect us, and I think it weighed very
Speaker 1: heavily on her for her entire adult life and longer.
Speaker 1: Probably so part of the reason we're coming forward, that
Speaker 1: we're writing a book about our whole family's experiences. We're
Speaker 1: not experiencers. We're abductees. That's what we are. I mean.
Speaker 1: Another reason we've come forward as we look at the
Speaker 1: UFO quote unquote community, which is, you know, more like
Speaker 1: a steel cage match in the old wrestling days. It's
Speaker 1: not much of a community, and people like us, people
Speaker 1: with hundreds of memories and hundreds of hours face to
Speaker 1: face with these beings. We know what they are and
Speaker 1: it's not good. We know what they're doing. None of
Speaker 1: it is good. But so many people in the UFO community,
Speaker 1: I think the aliens are great. They think they're meeting
Speaker 1: them out in the desert and they're having they're summoning
Speaker 1: them out of the clouds, and they're aliens filled with
Speaker 1: love and enlightenment. But whatever they're doing out there, they're
Speaker 1: not dealing with these real aliens. All those people who
Speaker 1: talk about ce five and psionics and contact in the desert,
Speaker 1: they will tell you that these if they refer to
Speaker 1: them as aliens or beings, they'll tell you they don't
Speaker 1: have any bodies. They're disembodied there. It's just they're asked
Speaker 1: or plane coming. And they'll also tell you they call
Speaker 1: them ships. They claim to be able to summon ships. Okay,
Speaker 1: well make one land, Okay, what are you wrestling them
Speaker 1: for control? They even admit that these are not like
Speaker 1: physical metallic ships. And that's how the gray and mantis
Speaker 1: aliens come for us, and metal ships and they take
Speaker 1: us and they have physical bodies. It's as real as
Speaker 1: getting arrested. My point is that those of us who
Speaker 1: have had abductions and know them to be negative for
Speaker 1: the most part, you know, it's never okay to kidnap children,
Speaker 1: right sure, And that's what they do. They come in
Speaker 1: the night and they walk in your house and they
Speaker 1: take your children or your sister or your mother. They
Speaker 1: just take you whenever they want, and they turn you
Speaker 1: into slaves and walk you out. I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: to do, and you do it in my And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who make apologies for them, alien apologists.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, well, you know, maybe they don't know that,
Speaker 1: you know, going into people's houses and absconding with their
Speaker 1: offspring to perform medical procedures on they don't know that
Speaker 1: could be wrong, to which I say that these aliens
Speaker 1: are in your mind. They know everything you know, and
Speaker 1: they know how you feel, and they know what emotional
Speaker 1: reaction you're having. So they know full well that that
Speaker 1: what they're doing is is not for our good. And
Speaker 1: they do it in secrecy. And as a rule of thumb,
Speaker 1: anyone doing anything in secrecy, it's probably up to no good.
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Speaker 2: Did you never ever mention anything that happened prior to
Speaker 2: her nineteen fifty nine encounter.
Speaker 4: No, nope, nor did she really talk about things that
Speaker 4: happened after that, except for things that happened with us.
Speaker 4: You know, at the time, there was nothing from her
Speaker 4: childhood that she really us, But you know, as things
Speaker 4: happened to us as a family, she was aware and
Speaker 4: we would talk about it a little bit, and she
Speaker 4: relayed those incidents to Bud Hopkins when he came to
Speaker 4: visit back in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: The incident that Sean reminded me of that made me
Speaker 1: recall in that moment, after being confronted with the flying
Speaker 1: saucer materializing, Sean telling me he's just been brought back
Speaker 1: from an abduction. Believe any of it, but he said,
Speaker 1: you've been taking plenty. Don't you remember the time that
Speaker 1: Mom screamed? And he said they came back? Why do
Speaker 1: they always come back? And at that point I joined
Speaker 1: him to finish the third part of it. Why do
Speaker 1: they always have to come back? Or Mom scream that right,
Speaker 1: not like I yell. It was a piercing, just scream
Speaker 1: of absolute terror. And in that moment, it was like
Speaker 1: it was like a bowling ball in the face. Whatever
Speaker 1: was stuck in my mind was unstuck, and all the
Speaker 1: memories were mine again, not all I have, No, I
Speaker 1: seriously doubt the things I remember are everything that happened
Speaker 1: to me. But I remember quite a few incidents and
Speaker 1: some very strange things. But yeah, so our ma, she
Speaker 1: was we were at home. It was our school was
Speaker 1: on spring break, so we weren't at school, And at
Speaker 1: about eleven o'clock I was starting lunch in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with a view of the backyard. We were in the
Speaker 1: living room watching syndicated television, like at that point it
Speaker 1: was like Gilligan's Island and Get Smart and the Monsters.
Speaker 1: And my mom screamed, she's in the kitchen. She's running water,
Speaker 1: and she screams first, and I thought she maybe burned
Speaker 1: her hand, like she was doing something with hot water
Speaker 1: making spaghetti. That's when she said the phrase, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: she and she screamed in terror. And so I'm getting
Speaker 1: off the couch and walking to the to the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who came back? And I passed through the
Speaker 1: dining room. In the way to the kitchen, we had
Speaker 1: a big, giant picture window, and there, walking across the
Speaker 1: lawn was that gray that I did not think could exist.
Speaker 1: And the tall gray was heading for the back door,
Speaker 1: and a third, a short gray, was by the craft's
Speaker 1: open hatch, and I could see the tall gray. The grays,
Speaker 1: I've seen them in cloaks, the tall ones, not the
Speaker 1: short ones. They're not really gray.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if that term hadn't already been out there, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't refer to them as being gray. To me, it's
Speaker 4: they're more white, you know, it's almost a pure white.
Speaker 4: At times, it looks like Chris says, there's a little
Speaker 4: bit of gray to them.
Speaker 1: Tiny bit like along the sides of the shadows, of
Speaker 1: the contours. When I was a real little kid, I
Speaker 1: thought they looked like ghosts. Yeah, that makes sense, because
Speaker 1: they had often had a cloak on covering most of
Speaker 1: their body, and they're so white with these big black eyes.
Speaker 1: I thought the ghosts. Because they've been in our lives
Speaker 1: since I mean, I was three years old, man, My
Speaker 1: earliest memories are memories of aliens, and that's, you know,
Speaker 1: not a good thing. It shouldn't be that way. And
Speaker 1: you remember them because they were so out of the ordinary,
Speaker 1: you know, terrifying in some ways. I would describe the
Speaker 1: tall gray skin as being like the belly of a fish,
Speaker 1: just that kind of white, like a cold white, like
Speaker 1: you didn't get any sense that beneath its skin there
Speaker 1: were like they were pumping warm blood around, very cold,
Speaker 1: kind of dead looking, but they're very much alive. We
Speaker 1: know things about the Grays that a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't talk about, like the way they talk to you.
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, It's not just the fact that they use telepathy,
Speaker 4: it's the way they literally talk. Sounds just like a
Speaker 4: coworker would talk to you. They will use the same
Speaker 4: type of phrases that we use. They will use conjunctions,
Speaker 4: they will slang attractions, interractions like when I was startling
Speaker 4: them that time, when I was going to wake you up,
Speaker 4: they said, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna get caught, not going to When they are in
Speaker 1: your head, they know everything about you. You're not. They
Speaker 1: don't read you like a book. They read you like
Speaker 1: a fly or someone will hand you on the street
Speaker 1: that quickly. They just know everything about you. And they
Speaker 1: speak to you with the same accent, the same vernacular,
Speaker 1: the same lack of accent to us that everyone speaks
Speaker 1: to you in your daily life. They're so good about it.
Speaker 4: You didn't see them, you would assume it was a
Speaker 4: human being talking to you. That's how familiar they are
Speaker 4: with you know, at least the English language. That's what
Speaker 4: I can attest to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure wherever they go, they're just as adapt
Speaker 1: as reaching into anybody. That's the way they are. Man.
Speaker 1: And they're so good. And here's another thing. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: kidnapping you, absolutely, violating your mind to make you a
Speaker 1: placid and compliant. But they're usually quite polite. They can
Speaker 1: be very they're very professional. It's not like they're chattering
Speaker 1: their teeth and drooling at the thought of, you know,
Speaker 1: eating your flesh. They are like, they're all business and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you know the one. They have emotions,
Speaker 1: both tall grays and the short grains, right, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: they have all the emotions that we have. You know,
Speaker 1: I've seen them angry. I've seen them a little bit excited.
Speaker 1: I've seen them proud of a hybrid child they made
Speaker 1: out of me that they wanted to introduce me to.
Speaker 1: But the most the emotions I see from the most,
Speaker 1: I kind of say, are boredom. They're very much it's
Speaker 1: a job for them. This is not like some you know,
Speaker 1: ritual or event. This is their their business. This is
Speaker 1: it's like you're in a dental office. Okay, they take
Speaker 1: you and it's your turn, and they're like, okay, through
Speaker 1: the through the door on the left there. And they
Speaker 1: have a very tight schedule. Yeah, they're surprising and and
Speaker 1: they're individuals. We've heard them argue with each other.
Speaker 4: Sure, the short gray does something the tall gray disapproves of,
Speaker 4: you know, he lets them know. And the short grays
Speaker 4: are quite intimidated by the tall gray. There's no question
Speaker 4: as to who's running the operation, and they're literally intimidated
Speaker 4: by him, so.
Speaker 1: That I've heard Short Grace argue about They argue, but
Speaker 1: not about the big picture. They were all on board
Speaker 1: for their task, but they would argue, what's the quickest,
Speaker 1: most efficient way to do this? And I think we
Speaker 1: should do this, and I think we don't have time
Speaker 1: for that. But it's all a part of serving their
Speaker 1: purpose better. But they have very different personalities. Some of
Speaker 1: them can be very kind, yeah, very kind. They can
Speaker 1: care about how you're feeling, right, They can tell when
Speaker 1: you're upset. Yeah. One time I was.
Speaker 4: They came to get me and they woke me upset,
Speaker 4: it's time to go. And I was upset about something
Speaker 4: and the one knew I was upset and asked me
Speaker 4: what was wrong, and I told him, and he told
Speaker 4: me not to worry about it, and even told me
Speaker 4: something that would happen in the future. But I won't
Speaker 4: discuss it. Really, just to make me feel better. And
Speaker 4: oh my god, did that piss off the tall gray.
Speaker 4: He could not believe he told me what he had
Speaker 4: and he got right up what he said out loud. Well,
Speaker 4: I say it's out loud but telepathically. He said, what's
Speaker 4: going on over there? Which was his way of letting
Speaker 4: the shorter Grays know that he doesn't really approve of
Speaker 4: what's happening. You know, he's fully aware of what's going
Speaker 4: on over there. It was just kind of his catchphrase.
Speaker 4: And then he walked over to the alien who told me,
Speaker 4: and he got right in his face and he's just
Speaker 4: projecting this. Are you stupid at him?
Speaker 1: Boy?
Speaker 4: That shorter Gray knew he was in trouble. And I
Speaker 4: asked him when that future event would happen, and he
Speaker 4: just simply said, I can't. Meekishly, he's like, I can't.
Speaker 1: And yet that prediction he gave you, sean that was
Speaker 1: in the early eighties, right, and that did it come
Speaker 1: to pass?
Speaker 4: It sure did? Yeah, And it wasn't a prediction. He
Speaker 4: knew it was happening and.
Speaker 1: It was rather unlikely even though it's already come to pass.
Speaker 1: You're not comfortable.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, I don't really want to discuss what exactly
Speaker 4: it was. It's something you would not expect them to
Speaker 4: have any idea about it, but they were one correct.
Speaker 1: Just raises more questions than it answers. But I've had
Speaker 1: them argue over me. Once they were taking my family
Speaker 1: in a smaller craft, and my mother and my brothers
Speaker 1: were completely in trance, and in the seats they put
Speaker 1: them in, it wasn't really a seat. It was a round,
Speaker 1: padded seat with a pillar that was padded so all
Speaker 1: the way around. You know, you could have people sitting
Speaker 1: there and one of them and it just kind to
Speaker 1: kind of bar that lower it almost like like a
Speaker 1: roller coaster, you know, just kind of a guide so
Speaker 1: you don't fall out when you're in the trance. But
Speaker 1: I was, for whatever reason, I was more alert. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you're under their sedation, they take away
Speaker 1: a lot of your emotions. They like you kind of
Speaker 1: in a pleasant trance. So they take away your anger,
Speaker 1: they take away the fear. But one thing that they
Speaker 1: don't really take away is your curiosity. There's been so
Speaker 1: many times I'm like, so this time the ship lifts up,
Speaker 1: and I slip out under the bar and I want
Speaker 1: to go over and look out the window, and and
Speaker 1: one of them screams. One of them turns around and
Speaker 1: screams angryally, what is this one doing?
Speaker 3: Up?
Speaker 1: One? And back one? Two of them were working the
Speaker 1: ship whatever that tanks. Third one comes over, it puts
Speaker 1: me back, and the one who didn't in a minute,
Speaker 1: it's all we're going. And the first one, the one
Speaker 1: who didn't scream at me. And when you screamed it
Speaker 1: me Listen. You don't just feel their words in your head.
Speaker 1: You feel you feel their emotions at you.
Speaker 4: Sure at times, not with everything they say, but if
Speaker 4: they're angry or what have you. And it's also funny
Speaker 4: you're talking about the screaming at you. Yeah, they're using telepathy,
Speaker 4: which doesn't really make any sound, but you hear certain.
Speaker 1: Words louder than others.
Speaker 4: If they're projecting it louder, you hear it louder in
Speaker 4: your head. For me, it sounds just like they're saying
Speaker 4: it out loud, but directly into your head, kind of
Speaker 4: like using headphones instead of speakers across the room. The
Speaker 4: noise isn't going from the speaker all the way across
Speaker 4: the room to your ear. It's being transmitted directly into
Speaker 4: your head. But it sounds just like a normal voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hate to think how loud they could be
Speaker 1: if they wanted to in your head. But on this occasion,
Speaker 1: so the one who didn't scream at me. He said,
Speaker 1: why is this one up in anger hitting me in waves?
Speaker 1: The other one the ship is stabilized or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So he turns to me and he says, so why
Speaker 1: did you get up? What were you trying to do?
Speaker 1: And I said, I've never been in an airplane and
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what a city looked like from above.
Speaker 1: And he says to me, like they'll use the word
Speaker 1: well a lot. That said me, well, we don't really
Speaker 1: go up, and he said, we do go up a little,
Speaker 1: but then we go down. And the other one whould
Speaker 1: yell at me already turns and screams at is code violot.
Speaker 3: He's like, shut up, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: We don't tell them that, you know, we don't tell
Speaker 1: them anything. What are you doing telling them that? And
Speaker 1: the nice one said come on, And it was just
Speaker 1: that's the way I heard it, not come on or
Speaker 1: I disagree. It's like, come on. He said, the kid's curious,
Speaker 1: all right, that's a good thing, right And besides he's
Speaker 1: not gonna remember any of this anyway. And the other
Speaker 1: one said, well, just don't got it.
Speaker 4: And that's another detail is when they are talking to
Speaker 4: each other, you can hear it still in your head.
Speaker 4: It's not like they have to direct to you specifically
Speaker 4: what they're saying. You will overhear it, quote unquote. And
Speaker 4: they're talking to each other in the same way they
Speaker 4: would talk to you, you know, for us it's English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're arguing like you know, two people from New
Speaker 1: York and the vernacular. Everything is right. But I have
Speaker 1: seen like a couple of tall grays like I'm there
Speaker 1: and they look at each other and I get the
Speaker 1: feeling that they were having a private conversation that they
Speaker 1: don't want me to hear. So I think they have
Speaker 1: that capability, and who knows what about aliens, but they
Speaker 1: are telepathically linked to each other and they're in each
Speaker 1: other's mind and they can communicate it for great distances
Speaker 1: with headquarters or a bit major check like one of
Speaker 1: them will say, oh, just got word, we gotta get
Speaker 1: going or something like that. And I hate to use
Speaker 1: the word hive mind because they're so far from like
Speaker 1: the borg. They are individuals. Yeah, they have an individual thought,
Speaker 1: but I don't think they have a lot of privacy
Speaker 1: in there. I think everybody can hear them, and I think,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I think they're workers in their drones,
Speaker 1: and it's very hierarchical and rigid. They don't really have
Speaker 1: of like movies or Taco Tuesdays, or they don't appreciate
Speaker 1: any of our cultures. They're not about that. I believe
Speaker 1: they look at us as a as a resource.
Speaker 2: So okay, so take us back to the earliest thing
Speaker 2: that you remember. You fought to yourself. This isn't right,
Speaker 2: this is a bit a bit strange. Chris. You're the
Speaker 2: older brother, I'm sure, and you were born in what
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy, right, Chris? Can you take us back to
Speaker 2: the first memory that you have, please?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the first couple ones. I was quite young.
Speaker 1: I'm like three, but I can There was an incident
Speaker 1: when I was It was just before I was going
Speaker 1: into kindergarten, a couple of weeks before that, so I
Speaker 1: was maybe two months from the age of five, and
Speaker 1: that was the first time they came from me alone.
Speaker 1: My parents worked hard and they went to bed at
Speaker 1: a normal hour, but for whatever reason, I was a
Speaker 1: night oul. I was constant, always the last one away,
Speaker 1: and it was just the three of us at that point,
Speaker 1: and we were living in a house just three blocks
Speaker 1: off of Historic Broadway. It was a Victorian townhouse that
Speaker 1: had been divided into a couple of apartments, and it
Speaker 1: was owned by my godmother, and so she let family
Speaker 1: live there. And one night I'm in my room upstairs,
Speaker 1: the last person awake. My parents had bought me a
Speaker 1: little eight inch black and white TV just to keep
Speaker 1: me out of their hair, you know, keep me in
Speaker 1: my room. So I'm up there and I'm watching I
Speaker 1: believe it might have been if I had to say
Speaker 1: it was like an original, it was either a Hawaii
Speaker 1: five Oho or maybe Mannix some terrible detective shows. And
Speaker 1: what happened was, I'm in the room and a red
Speaker 1: light comes through my window at a forty five degree angle.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a light. It was like a laser light,
Speaker 1: but it was like three feet wide. It was the
Speaker 1: width of the window, is what it was. That was
Speaker 1: the limitation came in like a like a like a
Speaker 1: girder of light or the and to the point where
Speaker 1: we're hit on the floor in the wall, a quarter
Speaker 1: of an inch on the side of it, you know, nothing.
Speaker 1: It was this intense, it felt solid and it landed
Speaker 1: right on me sitting in my chair, and I knew
Speaker 1: something was very very wrong, and and I trost. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to move. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I thought if I just sit still was the best.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to, you know, reason this situation out. And
Speaker 1: after a minute the light went out and I scrambled
Speaker 1: on of the chair my bed, which was against the
Speaker 1: wall next to the window, and I peered out. What
Speaker 1: I saw. I looked up and above our roof it
Speaker 1: looked like a old an old thirty three and the
Speaker 1: third record was spinning slowly above us, a black ship
Speaker 1: with a couple of lights on the on it. It
Speaker 1: was a disc. And I looked at it. It was
Speaker 1: like it was like, you know, spilling over the sides
Speaker 1: of the roof. I could only see a little bit
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm like, oh boy, that's not good,
Speaker 1: you know, just this is all silent. I'm just and
Speaker 1: I watched and the thing flew away, and I had
Speaker 1: never been so relieved in my you know, four and
Speaker 1: a half years of life. I knew what a threat
Speaker 1: that was. And so I'm like, oh boy. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it loops around and it comes
Speaker 1: back and it turns sideways. The disc. So now it's
Speaker 1: like a ferris wheel with light around the rim and
Speaker 1: along the top, and it lowers itself in between our
Speaker 1: building and the building next to us, which was only
Speaker 1: about twenty feet across, and it's kind of spinning. And
Speaker 1: I look and all of a sudden and the craft
Speaker 1: is maybe ten feet off the grounds. It's right wedged
Speaker 1: in there. It's ridiculous. Surely the neighbors can see all
Speaker 1: this light coming into their room. But as I'm looking
Speaker 1: at it, I look, there are two short what I
Speaker 1: know now to be grays under the craft. They were
Speaker 1: just there. They were doing something, some kind of action
Speaker 1: or preparation of something, and I thought in my head,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I thought. Wow, I hope
Speaker 1: this is not from I hope they're not here for me,
Speaker 1: right And in that moment, they both looked me right
Speaker 1: in the eyes through that window, and I'm like, oh man,
Speaker 1: they knew I was there. And so I scurried back
Speaker 1: again against the wall so they can't see me and
Speaker 1: I can't see them. And then there's a tapping at
Speaker 1: the window, tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap,
Speaker 1: And like a stupid kid, I lean over and look
Speaker 1: and it's one of them and his fingers tapping at
Speaker 1: the window, and I'm on the second floor and he's
Speaker 1: just out there outside the window, floating, tapping at my
Speaker 1: window and with the other hand like I don't hear
Speaker 1: the telepathy at this point, not at all, and he
Speaker 1: gestures with a sweeping hand and to his friend who's
Speaker 1: on the ground, And the friend on the ground is
Speaker 1: gesturing up to the saucer and they're telling me or
Speaker 1: showing me, come on, you gotta get on this saucer.
Speaker 1: And I hid and they eventually sent a tall gray
Speaker 1: and I had never seen anything like it, and he
Speaker 1: was kind of floating, but his cloak and clothes were
Speaker 1: touching the floor. There was the only sound you could hear.
Speaker 1: And he had to bob down a little to get
Speaker 1: in the rather short doorway in these rooms with tall ceilings.
Speaker 1: And he comes over to me and he does like
Speaker 1: a rotation, so always see him. And then when he
Speaker 1: comes around again, I knew I had to go with him,
Speaker 1: and I walk out with him just like that. We
Speaker 1: walk past my sleeping infant brother and his crib between
Speaker 1: us and the backstairs, and then it's time for us
Speaker 1: to go down the stairs and out the back door,
Speaker 1: but they were very steep stairs. They were servants stairs.
Speaker 1: It's an old you know. Servants stairs are very steep
Speaker 1: and they're very narrow. And so I started to go
Speaker 1: down and tall Gray I said, nope, you have to
Speaker 1: hold my hand. And I said I could do this,
Speaker 1: I do this all He is no, no, if anything
Speaker 1: happens to you, well we have you. It's on us
Speaker 1: and we're not gonna let that happen. So he held
Speaker 1: my hand. He walked me down out to the backyard
Speaker 1: where the other two were, and they floated me over
Speaker 1: the fence. They wouldn't let me climb the fence, and
Speaker 1: we're under the craft like like you're standing right under
Speaker 1: a ferris wheel, just like that. And suddenly I don't
Speaker 1: know what the word would be, you just you go
Speaker 1: up and you're in it. And it's disorienting because I
Speaker 1: went up one way, but the ship was turned the
Speaker 1: other way. I remember being a little awful. And then
Speaker 1: there's the other two and I'm standing there and I've
Speaker 1: got a view of the inside of the craft and
Speaker 1: it's well lit, and it was like a tall gray
Speaker 1: like standing there. But we're in a perimeter hallway. Me
Speaker 1: and the ones that brought me up, and they go, okay,
Speaker 1: you go down there. They're waiting for you. And they're
Speaker 1: pointing down this dark hallway, which is, you know, a
Speaker 1: big curve around the edge of the craft. And I
Speaker 1: go down and I could close and I see an
Speaker 1: open door and I see, you know, it's like an
Speaker 1: operating theater, and I'm not really interested. I turn around.
Speaker 1: I walked back to where I came in, and by
Speaker 1: this time, the two Grays were like talking to each
Speaker 1: other like like shop talk, just they were talking all
Speaker 1: business about you know, complaining or how about that new
Speaker 1: thing or whatever. And they see me and they're like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing back here? You can go down there.
Speaker 1: You know you've been there before, you know the way,
Speaker 1: Just go do it. I've been there before. Well that's
Speaker 1: news to me, but everything is. And I went and
Speaker 1: and there were a couple of short grays like with
Speaker 1: like a clanking metal equipment like a surgical thing, and
Speaker 1: a table like steel table. And I almost didn't see
Speaker 1: him because the rest of the room was very dark,
Speaker 1: only the center book, but there was a tall gray
Speaker 1: standing there like a cigar store Indian. And they asked
Speaker 1: me if I could get up on the table on
Speaker 1: my own, and I did, and I don't remember being
Speaker 1: being brought back. Sean's got more interesting things than that.
Speaker 4: I was going on probably four years old, and I'm
Speaker 4: only getting that year based on Chris's memory and based
Speaker 4: on what time we lived in that specific house, so
Speaker 4: we narrowed it down to probably it was the spring
Speaker 4: of seventy four, So I was coming up on four
Speaker 4: years old, and it was that incident Chris was talking
Speaker 4: about where they were coming in the back door my
Speaker 4: mother's evening in the kitchen, their back. This was my
Speaker 4: very first encounter that I remember anyway. Like Chris said,
Speaker 4: she screamed, their back, Why do they have to come back?
Speaker 4: Why do they have to keep coming back? And she
Speaker 4: sprinted past us in the living room where we were,
Speaker 4: and I had no idea what she was talking about.
Speaker 4: I just watched her go up the stairs and she
Speaker 4: was holding another child going up the stairs. And the
Speaker 4: next thing I remember out of that incident is me
Speaker 4: being upstairs looking for and she was hidden into a
Speaker 4: little crawl space, like an attic space, behind a small door,
Speaker 4: and I remember her telling me to be quiet, and
Speaker 4: like a loud whisper, be quiet, and she opened the
Speaker 4: door and I came in and I was there, and
Speaker 4: I was couldn't have been in there more than a moment.
Speaker 4: And next thing, there's one of these gray aliens floating
Speaker 4: through the roof downward into the attic space, facing me directly.
Speaker 4: And it was the first thing, first time they ever
Speaker 4: talked to me as far as I remember, and what
Speaker 4: he said, and he said it in a like real
Speaker 4: whispery voice, I'm guessing to be intimidating. He says, you
Speaker 4: can't hide from us. And that's all I remember of
Speaker 4: that incident and who was the first thing that ever
Speaker 4: happened to me? And it stuck with me through my childhood.
Speaker 4: I always remembered bits and pieces of it, but I
Speaker 4: thought it was weird and wasn't sure exactly what I
Speaker 4: was remembering.
Speaker 1: It was a big one and involved everybody except my father,
Speaker 1: and they took us to an installation.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I do remember actually afterward the end of it,
Speaker 4: coming back and talking about where we're going to hide
Speaker 4: next time, and I'm thinking to myself, they just told
Speaker 4: me we can't hide from them. What do you mean
Speaker 4: You're gonna hide over here?
Speaker 1: You know? So that was.
Speaker 4: Interesting a detail that I remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thig of that. A family in the middle
Speaker 1: of the safety of the New York and neighbor residential
Speaker 1: neighbors with.
Speaker 4: Neighbors right right around you. I mean, hiding in an
Speaker 4: attic like an frank. Yeah, but it shouldn't happen. It
Speaker 4: shouldn't have to happen. But there was right in the
Speaker 4: middle of suburbia.
Speaker 1: But when they take your memories away, at least as
Speaker 1: much as they can, all that is lost.
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Speaker 1: And we're an advocate for so many abductees that are
Speaker 1: swimming uphill. Even in the UFO community. Nobody believes them.
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to talk to abductees. It seems like it,
Speaker 4: at least at the higher end of the popularity.
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, I don't know how much you
Speaker 1: pay attention to these kind of politics, but all of
Speaker 1: the state sponsored quote unquote whistleblowers today are pushing a
Speaker 1: completely false narrative. In my opinion, let me say, uh
Speaker 1: A Zando and Stephen Greer and Brush and Barber and
Speaker 1: Blitch and all of them are not one of them.
Speaker 1: It'll be a cold day in Minsk when you hear
Speaker 1: Jake Barbera tell you. Oh, by the way, you know,
Speaker 1: aliens have been abducting American families for seventy years. They've
Speaker 1: taken your children. Let's get to it. Let's they use
Speaker 1: you to create hybrids. That's what they're doing. That's it's
Speaker 1: not all of what the abductions are about. Shawn contestrified
Speaker 1: at that there's a secret school. They tell them about
Speaker 1: the time that you were expected to perform for them
Speaker 1: in some way.
Speaker 4: Sure, you know, they used to run me through quite
Speaker 4: a few tasks and things like that, and they were
Speaker 4: more interested in what I could do with my mind
Speaker 4: than physical things. That I remember this one incident. I
Speaker 4: was a young kid, and I was there with another
Speaker 4: kid who I won't name, but we were on a
Speaker 4: ship I'm guessing because it was a circular room, a
Speaker 4: pretty good sized room. Everything it looked like it was
Speaker 4: made out of steel, And there were these in front
Speaker 4: of the other child, and in front of me there
Speaker 4: were these racks, and on these racks were these I
Speaker 4: called them a stick, but it kind of they looked
Speaker 4: like almost like a lacrosse stick, and instead of just
Speaker 4: having a net on one side, each side had kind
Speaker 4: of like a triangular What I thought, at least as
Speaker 4: a child, was fire on either end of the stick,
Speaker 4: and looking back, it could have been some sort of
Speaker 4: electrical charge makes more sense, almost like a taser. And
Speaker 4: they were actually levitating off the ground and spinning around
Speaker 4: as if you're looking at us spoke in a wheel,
Speaker 4: just as you know single spoke spinning around. And I
Speaker 4: didn't have any idea what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 4: There was no instructions. As normal with them, they rarely
Speaker 4: told you what they were looking for you to even do,
Speaker 4: let alone how to do it. But I had no
Speaker 4: idea what I'm doing. Looked like the other kid that
Speaker 4: was there was having some success. I somehow I realized
Speaker 4: they're trying to get me to control this stick with
Speaker 4: my mind and it's spinning around in front of me,
Speaker 4: and I didn't do it, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it came flying towards me and the one end hit
Speaker 4: me on the side of the head at the ear,
Speaker 4: I left side of the head, and it's stung. And
Speaker 4: out of frustration, I asked the other kid, how do
Speaker 4: you do it? And right after I asked that, the
Speaker 4: kid didn't say anything, but the alien that was standing
Speaker 4: behind me, and I think he was a taller alien
Speaker 4: toutched me on the top of the head with his finger,
Speaker 4: and I felt an electric charge go directly down into
Speaker 4: the center of my brain and stimulate the center of
Speaker 4: my brain like I had never felt before, as if
Speaker 4: I don't know, he had jump started or ignited that
Speaker 4: portion of my brain with whatever energy he sent down
Speaker 4: through his finger. And all of a sudden, I was
Speaker 4: able to control this stick with great ease, and I
Speaker 4: was where the other kid just had it turning right
Speaker 4: in front of him like it was before, kind of
Speaker 4: like a wagon wheel spoke.
Speaker 1: I kind of I lifted it.
Speaker 4: Up further up into the air and spun it the
Speaker 4: other way, kind of like a boomerang, and sent it
Speaker 4: around the room in circles, and as it was flying around,
Speaker 4: they stopped it in mid air, and the one behind
Speaker 4: me says to the other, in a somewhat excited tone,
Speaker 4: this is the excitement I was talking about earlier. He says,
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like it, and the other one
Speaker 4: says back to him. The words he says is, I know,
Speaker 4: as if he's agreeing with him, But he's also relaying
Speaker 4: to him calm down, as if you know, he wasn't
Speaker 4: that excited, but he was telling him to calm down.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other one, after he told him to calm down,
Speaker 4: he says, the one who had touched my head says,
Speaker 4: this is what we've been doing this for the whole time.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't there, but Jones told me in depth,
Speaker 1: and it's quite an amazing thing. Nothing like that ever
Speaker 1: happened to me. They didn't hold me in the same
Speaker 1: high regard. But it's it's a superpower. For God's sayings.
Speaker 1: They allowed you to perform a feed of telekinesis with
Speaker 1: their assistance, and in their presence, they activated some part
Speaker 1: of your brain. Yeah, that he touched you right at
Speaker 1: the top of your skull, and then you could feel
Speaker 1: like a straw Thingah.
Speaker 4: It was just a very thin, straight down, concentrated shot
Speaker 4: of electricity went directly to the center of my brain
Speaker 4: or was there a bouts anyway, I can't tell you.
Speaker 4: It's you know, the exact center, but what felt like
Speaker 4: the center of my brain and activated it, and it
Speaker 4: almost felt like that part of my brain was moving
Speaker 4: or alive for the first time, and it was a
Speaker 4: completely completely different feeling as if it had been dormant
Speaker 4: all those years prior to that.
Speaker 2: It would seem that particular experience had purpose. There was
Speaker 2: purpose to it. Do you ever remember having to go
Speaker 2: for any trials like that? Again? Was that just a
Speaker 2: one off?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got another similar event for sure.
Speaker 1: They tested him, they made him developabilities. They liked Sean.
Speaker 1: He was the kind of whatever my mom had that
Speaker 1: they liked. Sean had it in spains.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was another event, I'd say similar to that
Speaker 4: event where I don't remember them telling me anything, but
Speaker 4: they put me into a room and I was under
Speaker 4: the impression that they were gonna lock me in there
Speaker 4: until I figured it out, and I didn't even know
Speaker 4: what they wanted me to figure out. So they closed
Speaker 4: the door behind me and there's three of them on
Speaker 4: the other side of the door, and there's a small
Speaker 4: window that they're all kind of trying to jockey for
Speaker 4: position to look in and watch.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why they have.
Speaker 4: To do that, because it seems to me like they
Speaker 4: can see through solid objects if they need to. But anyway,
Speaker 4: they're jocking for position in the window, and I hear
Speaker 4: one of them say.
Speaker 1: Is he going to do it?
Speaker 4: So the other one said something very similar to the
Speaker 4: same thing, you think he's gonna do it?
Speaker 1: Or can he do it?
Speaker 4: And the third one very confidently.
Speaker 1: Says he'll do it.
Speaker 4: So I walk in and I'm just kind of getting
Speaker 4: a feel for what's in the room, and it's unlike
Speaker 4: the rest of the ship or at the other times
Speaker 4: I've seen these ships. This specific room was brightly lit.
Speaker 4: It had lights coming not only from the ceiling but
Speaker 4: also the walls in the floor, and I kind of
Speaker 4: remembered living around a corner and looking in to that
Speaker 4: area and there was nothing over there.
Speaker 1: But then there was.
Speaker 4: A small table in the room and it looked like
Speaker 4: it was almost like connected to the.
Speaker 1: Floor, and on top of that was.
Speaker 4: A box, and there was no.
Speaker 1: Direction as to what to do or how to do it.
Speaker 4: But somehow I knew I was supposed to turn this
Speaker 4: box inside out using my mind, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 4: all right, well, how do I fold it? I pictured
Speaker 4: folding it. Nothing seemed to like it would work if
Speaker 4: I had truck. And for whatever reason, well, let me
Speaker 4: just describe the box. It was basically a square box,
Speaker 4: maybe a foot by a foot something along those lines,
Speaker 4: and it was had a white exterior. Each each panel
Speaker 4: was white on the outside of it that you could see.
Speaker 4: And they wanted me to turn this inside out and
Speaker 4: the inside was black. And so what I just realized
Speaker 4: I had to do and somehow did it. I have
Speaker 4: no idea. How is instead of folding any parts or
Speaker 4: turning them around, what you do is you move the
Speaker 4: molecules of the inside to the outside. You just kind
Speaker 4: of transfer the colors. So now the color that's on
Speaker 4: the outside just kind of transforms onto the inside, and
Speaker 4: the color on the inside transforms to the outside, and
Speaker 4: it's done. And that's all I remember of that one.
Speaker 1: That's you know, they never they never gave me any
Speaker 1: of these tests. They usually told me to sit down
Speaker 1: and be quiet, or just to step things up. There's
Speaker 1: vast differences between the two of us, and so surely
Speaker 1: they're treating certain people differently with different I don't know,
Speaker 1: and like they have a different role for certain people
Speaker 1: that are that are more capable and have less of
Speaker 1: a bad attitude than I do. Even though they're we're
Speaker 1: coming from the same house, four of us taking taken
Speaker 1: out of that house time and time again, and actually
Speaker 1: it was five different houses. You know that they follow
Speaker 1: you around town.
Speaker 2: At the very least, maybe you could could could try this.
Speaker 2: Have you ever tried doing any any tests or anything
Speaker 2: to see if these bits still reside with within you
Speaker 2: or both of you? Really you could this is something
Speaker 2: both of you could do to get try like the
Speaker 2: Xena test that the cards with the squiggly lions and
Speaker 2: triangles and all that.
Speaker 1: Well, for me, no, I have no abilities like that.
Speaker 1: You know, when like my bank gives me the six
Speaker 1: digit code to get into my account, I get every
Speaker 1: number wrong. I think, Okay, it's gonna be four, It's
Speaker 1: gonna be four seven, you know, nine zero. I have
Speaker 1: no abilities like that. I mean, I have certain talents,
Speaker 1: but this is not about It's not that for me.
Speaker 4: I'm just afraid if I do that test, that is
Speaker 4: going to be Bill Murray on the other end of it,
Speaker 4: like at the beginning of Ghostbusters where he's shocking the
Speaker 4: guy even though he's correct, I'm sorry, you're way wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest with you, even if you score
Speaker 2: completely zero in a Xena test, that also shows something
Speaker 2: because generally people would will get a few right and
Speaker 2: few and a few wrong. So there is baselines the test,
Speaker 2: but I would definitely give it a go.
Speaker 1: I'm out here, Sean and I differ a lot of aspects,
Speaker 1: but I'm here to warn people about these aliens. They
Speaker 1: are here and they are up to no good, and
Speaker 1: they don't treat people like we have the right to
Speaker 1: control our bodies and our reproduction. They don't think we
Speaker 1: have the right to control our own minds even though
Speaker 1: they're taking our bodies. They don't want you thinking clearly,
Speaker 1: and they will move you or make you do what
Speaker 1: they want. They take you against your will. People like Sean,
Speaker 1: you know, experiencing great things. But I'm just going to say,
Speaker 1: purpose of these abductions, Apart from people like Sean and
Speaker 1: other you know, people who are gifted or or of
Speaker 1: a higher level of interest, these are about hybridization. They
Speaker 1: are they are creating hybrids, and they don't ask your
Speaker 1: permission and they just do it. And then they own
Speaker 1: your offspring as if they were cattle. And they kind
Speaker 1: of read us like livestock. They don't really see it
Speaker 1: that way, but it's for their purposes, not for ours.
Speaker 1: And I say it because I was introduced to a
Speaker 1: hybrid child of mind.
Speaker 4: So I was introduced to what would be described as hybrids.
Speaker 4: Although I was that term wasn't used. They didn't really
Speaker 4: tell me where they were from or anything like that.
Speaker 4: But I met four all together, and the only thing
Speaker 4: that was said one of them said thank you. I
Speaker 4: was actually in my bedroom. I couldn't have been too
Speaker 4: old and probably maybe a teenager, and I don't even
Speaker 4: remember the setup, but all of a sudden, my bedroom
Speaker 4: wall just kind of disappeared as if it wasn't there,
Speaker 4: and there were these four beings that could be described
Speaker 4: as hybrids. Again, they didn't use the term standing there
Speaker 4: like on the other side of where the wall would be,
Speaker 4: but it was just kind of almost like somebody had
Speaker 4: a fog machine rolling and they were just standing there
Speaker 4: and there was an awkward silence, and the one on
Speaker 4: my far right, which would have been there far left,
Speaker 4: just said thank you, and they were looked like they
Speaker 4: were holding hands, possibly because I remember I was young
Speaker 4: enough to think they almost looked like those old barrel
Speaker 4: of monkeys they used to sell way back in the
Speaker 4: seventies and where the arms entered with the arms and locked.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was strange and a little awkward.
Speaker 1: But they said thank you, Yeah, one said thank you.
Speaker 4: There felt like there was some connection. But I have
Speaker 4: no idea what they were, where they came from. And
Speaker 4: they were children for me to say how old they were,
Speaker 4: you know, they looked like they were full size. They
Speaker 4: were the size of a short gray anyway, they didn't
Speaker 4: appear to be children and to me, but they could
Speaker 4: have been.
Speaker 2: So that they had a mixture of features.
Speaker 1: Hard for me to say exactly.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell you exactly what their eyes looked like,
Speaker 4: but they they almost looked a little more pinkish, so
Speaker 4: they did have more of a human flesh tone. Almost
Speaker 4: I would say, almost looked a little bit like et
Speaker 4: to an extent, not exactly what his head looked like
Speaker 4: and stuff, but yeah, a little bit different than the
Speaker 4: straight up white gray aliens. That I was used to.
Speaker 2: Okay, Chris, was this a similar experience for you?
Speaker 1: Not so much, But this is one of the big
Speaker 1: experiences for me. It was nineteen seventy nine. I'm like
Speaker 1: sixteen going on seventeen, and we're they're bringing me back
Speaker 1: from an abduction. It's an abduction where they took me
Speaker 1: on a smaller ship to this big ship we're on
Speaker 1: and they're walking me out and there's a lot of activity.
Speaker 1: There's you know, other grays, short guys, tall grays, other
Speaker 1: abductees moved this way that way, and as we're walking
Speaker 1: along the corridors, there's a lot of me telling you,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of walking on an abduction, all right,
Speaker 1: where your sneakers to bed.
Speaker 4: It's like a Lord of the Rings movie, it is.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's huge, just that you've got to walk
Speaker 1: all over the place this way, that way. We're going
Speaker 1: over here, going over there. It's that's probably why they're
Speaker 1: so thin, right, yeah, exactly. But they've got really long legs,
Speaker 1: so you've got to keep up with them. And they're
Speaker 1: walking me back, but they're actually walking me to a
Speaker 1: more desolate part of the ship. We start to see
Speaker 1: less people start to see no people. We start to
Speaker 1: see lower lighting, and we start to see the curve
Speaker 1: of the getting more tight, like we're moving towards the
Speaker 1: center of a very big round craft. I can't say
Speaker 1: for sure, but as we're walking we kind of stop.
Speaker 1: There's no one around. I haven't seen anyone for you know,
Speaker 1: five minutes of walking, and one of the grays says
Speaker 1: to me, and this is exactly how he said it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, these guys they talk exactly like they
Speaker 1: like another person would. And the one gray, I mean
Speaker 1: there's two of them. Usually if you're with two tall grays,
Speaker 1: one of them does the talking. The other, you know,
Speaker 1: nods a lot like one of them does the talking
Speaker 1: for both of them. And we stop in this more desolate,
Speaker 1: unused part of the ship, narrow hallway about five feet
Speaker 1: across with lighting only on the bottom the sides of
Speaker 1: the walkway and another walkway coming off into the dark
Speaker 1: that curves perpendicular but curved, and the tall gray says
Speaker 1: to me, hey, and that's exactly how he's at it,
Speaker 1: Just like that. He goes, hey, we were wondering if
Speaker 1: you would do it's a favor, And that's how he
Speaker 1: said it. Just like a friend, buttering you up or
Speaker 1: being sly about asking you, that's how well they understand us.
Speaker 1: And hey, we were wondering if you would do as
Speaker 1: a favor and I said, I'm under control, right And
Speaker 1: I said sure, what is it? And they said, well,
Speaker 1: they say that a lot when they're preparing you for something.
Speaker 1: Said well, somebody would like to meet you, and I
Speaker 1: said sure, and I'm like, who wants to meet me?
Speaker 1: Nobody on Earth wants to meet me. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's you know, Darth Vader. Let's go,
Speaker 1: but I said, and they go, oh great, yeah, he said,
Speaker 1: we have just a couple of minutes extra to get
Speaker 1: you back. And they never have any minutes extra. They're
Speaker 1: very tight about their time. But so, yeah, so who
Speaker 1: wants to meet me? I said? And he said, well
Speaker 1: he's one we made from you, and oh, we really
Speaker 1: like this kid. He's smart, he's funny. Well that might
Speaker 1: be my kid. No, he's not funnier than I am,
Speaker 1: but he's smart, he's funny. He he lifts everybody up
Speaker 1: in his work group. He doesn't bring anybody down. He
Speaker 1: lifts everybody up, and everybody works harder and everybody likes him,
Speaker 1: and we try to reward him. And every time we
Speaker 1: ask him, what would you like? How can we reward you?
Speaker 1: He wants to meet his earth dad. I know it
Speaker 1: sounds like a bad NBC sitcom from the eighties, but
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he said to me. He wants to
Speaker 1: meet his earth dad. And they said, we tell him no.
Speaker 1: Every time, we tell him no again, and that's all
Speaker 1: he ever asks for. And this time, you know what,
Speaker 1: we said, yes, So if you know, if you're going,
Speaker 1: if you're willing, that's what we're gonna do. And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sedated, you know what I mean, but I'm less
Speaker 1: sedated than normally. When they're walking you in and out,
Speaker 1: you're really in a trance. But they wanted me to
Speaker 1: be able to talk and to understand what they're saying
Speaker 1: to me, so they lower your level of sedation. They
Speaker 1: never you never completely awake and alert in their presence.
Speaker 1: You'd go nuts, you'd run, you trying to hit them,
Speaker 1: you scream, but they get lowered my level of sedation,
Speaker 1: so I was something close to coherent or loosened. And
Speaker 1: they said, okay, listen, here's the deal. When he comes
Speaker 1: out They told me it's a you know, it's a mail,
Speaker 1: it's a boy. When he comes out, he's not going
Speaker 1: to look like you, and you're going to think he
Speaker 1: looks very weird. You're going to think he looks very strange.
Speaker 1: You cannot think that because he is just like us.
Speaker 1: And if you think that, he will hear you and
Speaker 1: he will be crushed. You will hurt him if if
Speaker 1: you think he looks weird and strange. So you cannot
Speaker 1: think that, do you hear me? I'm like, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm serious that like we like this kit implied is
Speaker 1: that we don't really care for you and you can't
Speaker 1: do anything that's gonna hurt him. And they said to me, now,
Speaker 1: we're going to be in there with you and the
Speaker 1: two tall grays. And they didn't mean in the room.
Speaker 1: They meant in my mind. He said, we're going to
Speaker 1: be in there with you, helping you not think how
Speaker 1: strange he looks. Okay, but we can't do it alone.
Speaker 1: You're going to have to You're going to have to
Speaker 1: think the same thing. You can't think it. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: they do you hear me? Do you got it? And
Speaker 1: got it? Not have it? Yes, yes, got it. Don't
Speaker 1: think he's weird, like okay, and just here, we'll bring
Speaker 1: him out. And nothing was spoken, but they communicated, and suddenly,
Speaker 1: in that dark, the dark of that opposing corridor, comes
Speaker 1: out a female gray I can just tell, like a
Speaker 1: nurse or a teacher. And I could sense that kind
Speaker 1: of role. She was shepherding this kid. And here comes
Speaker 1: this kid and he comes around the corner and looks
Speaker 1: at me, and he is he is beaming, okay, almost
Speaker 1: as if I got like a disco ball lights shining
Speaker 1: off him. You could just feel the emotion though. You
Speaker 1: could feel it him beaming, and it was a mix
Speaker 1: of emotions. He was, he was nervous, and he was
Speaker 1: a little scared because I'm sure they tell him, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like Aurella's you don't what I mean him there's
Speaker 1: stupid beasts. And what was going I was getting the
Speaker 1: most was it was I don't know, love. It was warm,
Speaker 1: deep care and joy meeting and meeting me. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's a enjoy at meeting me. Some of
Speaker 1: that less unpleasant reaction than others, but I never experienced that.
Speaker 1: And you can feel his emotions and I didn't think
Speaker 1: he looked weird. You know, it's probably them in my
Speaker 1: head too, But I thought he looked adorable, so cute.
Speaker 1: You know. Here's what he looked like. My first thought, honestly,
Speaker 1: is that he looked like Charlie Brown, and that he
Speaker 1: had a big round head, mostly bald, some stringy hair,
Speaker 1: and a forelock right over his forehead, a tuft of hair.
Speaker 1: But this hair was my collar. And he had a
Speaker 1: short little legs and a short body in this big
Speaker 1: round head. And he was pink as well. He was
Speaker 1: like a pinkish flesh collar. And he reminded me Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1: But here's another thing I could see meet in him.
Speaker 1: He had my kind of nose and mouth and eyes
Speaker 1: really sean has and comes from my mother's side. And
Speaker 1: here's it in detail, all right. The eyes, the pupils
Speaker 1: were large and black, but there was a ring of
Speaker 1: iris around it in my collar, which is brown. And
Speaker 1: at the corners of the eyes you could just barely see,
Speaker 1: but you could see at the corners that there were
Speaker 1: whites to the eyes. There were whites around the iris
Speaker 1: and the pupil. But because it was so big, and
Speaker 1: when we saw a little bit of that. So there
Speaker 1: he is, and now the aliens, they're expecting me to
Speaker 1: just jump into some kind of conversation. He wanted to
Speaker 1: meet me, right, They didn't say here's what you can say,
Speaker 1: here's what you shouldn't. This has been two minutes since
Speaker 1: they made me aware that I have a child of
Speaker 1: some kind, and they just throw me in there. And
Speaker 1: I'm still sedated. So I'm a little loopy, I'm a
Speaker 1: little cool. And there he is, and he's just beaming
Speaker 1: up at me, and, like Sean said, a bit of
Speaker 1: an awkward silence. So what I said was excuse me.
Speaker 1: What I said was just empty small talk. I said, hey, great, Chris,
Speaker 1: so great to meet you. Yeah, wow, you know. They
Speaker 1: tell me, you know, you're doing great and your school
Speaker 1: or your your job or whatever it is, and everybody
Speaker 1: likes I think that's so great, good for you. And
Speaker 1: it was so empty and stupid to say. And the
Speaker 1: kid ignores it. And what he does is he points
Speaker 1: at me. They pointing at my chest. He's pointing at
Speaker 1: my shirt, and he says, who are they? Are they family?
Speaker 1: Are they family too? Are they family that you love?
Speaker 1: And I look down and I'm wearing I'm wearing a
Speaker 1: T shirt with the faces of the four Beatles on
Speaker 1: it from like nineteen sixty eight, with their long hair blowing,
Speaker 1: standing there in profile, and I love the Beatles And
Speaker 1: I said, oh no, they're They're not family there, but
Speaker 1: I love them. They're the Beatles. They sing. Have you ever?
Speaker 1: I said, have you ever heard the Beatles? Like It's
Speaker 1: what a stupid thing to say. And he's like, he
Speaker 1: kind of like what you could tell her. He's a
Speaker 1: little confused. So I'm trying to actually make some kind
Speaker 1: of connection. I said, what kind of music do you love?
Speaker 1: And nothing? I say, I'll try another tack. Do you
Speaker 1: like you're like movies or comic books? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was not really fully in control of
Speaker 1: my senses, or I would have probably said things that
Speaker 1: made more sense. But and at this point, the grain
Speaker 1: nurse comes up behind the kid and the two tall
Speaker 1: grays towering over my shoulders. You know, I'm try having
Speaker 1: two lurches like leaning over you. Well, try and be relaxed,
Speaker 1: have a conversation. It's not easy. They're getting ready to
Speaker 1: end this, so I know I got one more shot,
Speaker 1: and I say to the kid, what do you do
Speaker 1: in your spare time? What do you what do you
Speaker 1: do for fun? And at that point they flipped out
Speaker 1: on me. Those grades're like, oh, okay, that's it. Whoa,
Speaker 1: that's it shows over. Okay, it wasn't that fun. You
Speaker 1: got to meet him, and and I could feel, first
Speaker 1: of all, the tall grays are mad at me, like
Speaker 1: like I blew it big time. And the kid is
Speaker 1: he's going away. It's the saddest thing. I could hear
Speaker 1: his thoughts and he's saying to the teacher nurse what
Speaker 1: was he saying? What were those things he was talking about?
Speaker 1: Just completely confused And she said, oh see, that's why
Speaker 1: we don't interact with them. They're animals. They don't make
Speaker 1: any sense. Don't worry about it. And that was it.
Speaker 1: For the rest of my life. They never let me
Speaker 1: let me near him. And I'm just reeling at this
Speaker 1: whole thing. I'm still, you know, looped out, and the
Speaker 1: two tall grays are glowering at me. You know, they're
Speaker 1: glowering at me. They're angry that I blew this. And
Speaker 1: I said, well that went pretty good, right. This is
Speaker 1: exactly how he said it. He said, yeah, great job.
Speaker 1: He was literally using sarcasm on me. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: people will say these grains are robots or biological robots.
Speaker 1: This dude knew how to hit and it was sarcasm.
Speaker 1: He just he was so disgusted with me, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: but needless to say, you know, they turned my sedation
Speaker 1: way up, walked me out. I remember nothing more, but
Speaker 1: for years, let me tell you, for years, I regretted
Speaker 1: what I said. Did I And I played over in
Speaker 1: my mind a thousand times if I was giving five
Speaker 1: more minutes, no. I played over what I would say,
Speaker 1: what I would do differently. I blamed myself for confusing this.
Speaker 1: You know, this poor kid doesn't know what fun is,
Speaker 1: or spare time or have any interests of his own.
Speaker 1: But I've come to realize over the past couple of
Speaker 1: years that what I said to that that boy was
Speaker 1: exactly what that kid needed to hear. And it's exactly
Speaker 1: what they will never tell you up there. They're all
Speaker 1: about work. They don't give him free time, didn't let
Speaker 1: them discover what he's interested in and pursue it have fun.
Speaker 1: So I think I said to that kid exactly what
Speaker 1: he needed to hear. I hope I didn't get him
Speaker 1: in too much trouble.
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Speaker 2: Do you think you had a connection with him?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when you're on a ship among grays,
Speaker 1: you have a connection with everybody. You know, you're all connected,
Speaker 1: except with other abductees. But surely, yeah, I did, you know?
Speaker 1: And I could tell him when he was asking about
Speaker 1: my shirt that what he really wanted to know was
Speaker 1: do I have family out there? Is that part of
Speaker 1: your family? Is that part of our family? He was
Speaker 1: very he said it without saying it, But I was
Speaker 1: loopy and stupid and didn't really get it. So otherwise
Speaker 1: I would have said, yeah, you have family, here's who
Speaker 1: you have, And in fact, you have a couple of
Speaker 1: them on these ships. Occasionally you have an uncle around
Speaker 1: here somewhere levitating things, So look for him. I would
Speaker 1: love it if he had gotten away.
Speaker 4: And you know, they have themselves to blame here for
Speaker 4: giving you absolutely no heads up whatsoever the scenarios that
Speaker 4: they're putting you in. You know, even people going on
Speaker 4: to the More Report COVID show to find out their
Speaker 4: father have the heads up, right, you know, before they
Speaker 4: go on the air.
Speaker 1: Right, they give you listen. I'll tell you this. They're
Speaker 1: supremely intelligent and they know everything you're thinking, everything's going
Speaker 1: on around them. But they could be pretty goddamn stupid sometimes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, they really can't. They make mistakes, they don't account
Speaker 9: for things that children do. They don't understand us very well,
Speaker 9: and they can screw up in major ways. And that's
Speaker 9: how we know what we know because of the incident
Speaker 9: in nineteen ninety six when it was it was a
Speaker 9: day that changed my life, all our lives, because we
Speaker 9: had gotten through decades of intense abductions and all these
Speaker 9: scenarios they put us through the number of.
Speaker 1: Times, but we didn't know. We kind and knew sometimes
Speaker 1: for a minute, but we did not know that we
Speaker 1: were central, central characters and whatever little part of the
Speaker 1: way we're at right now. But this event in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six, where as I say, a flying saucer like
Speaker 1: a big silver cliche. And you know, I hate it
Speaker 1: when they make the new movies and they have to
Speaker 1: make alien spaceships like so implicated. Sure, right, with all
Speaker 1: these antennas coming off and different wings. Yeah, it strikes
Speaker 1: me silly because these Grays show up in a flying saucer.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have a bunch of other shapes and ships,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think their go too. For us, it's
Speaker 1: always been a silver rotating flying saucer.
Speaker 4: I've seen others, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mom was taken into a triangle over her head
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine. And we've had shuttle ones land,
Speaker 1: but I mean the one where they took you and
Speaker 1: Dad and Mom that was kind of a disk and
Speaker 1: I see them more often than others. Oh and we
Speaker 1: had a giant cylinder go over the house and broad
Speaker 1: daylight fast as a bullet. It was huge and it's
Speaker 1: so quick. But so we have seen We've seen a lot,
Speaker 1: but there's nothing cliche about a saucer because that's what
Speaker 1: they use a lot. It works for them. Quite a
Speaker 1: bit of this alien situation is like a cliche. Oh,
Speaker 1: flying saucers. You mean like the movies from the nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties in black and white. No, I mean like from
Speaker 1: all over our house, dude. And oh you know, tall
Speaker 1: grays with big heads and skinny limbs. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. Actually, the society as a whole, the zeitgeist,
Speaker 1: you know, even if it was through cartoonish reasons or measures,
Speaker 1: has really zeroed in quite well the basic type of
Speaker 1: alien and basic ships they use. It's not that far off.
Speaker 1: And even though nobody thinks it's real, they really have
Speaker 1: narrowed in. And you know, it only took them seventy
Speaker 1: five years. But here we are.
Speaker 2: In relation to some of these beings that have played
Speaker 2: a part in your experiences, they always been the same types.
Speaker 2: You've mentioned the gray several times. Have they been the
Speaker 2: dominant figure?
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, And for me, as far as I can remember,
Speaker 4: it's only been the short gray, the tall gray, and
Speaker 4: then what could have been those hybrids there that I've
Speaker 4: interacted with, and those were only the one time that
Speaker 4: I recall, But it's predominantly the short grays and the
Speaker 4: tall grays, and the tall grays are always in charge.
Speaker 4: So for me, that's that's it. But Chris's dealt with more.
Speaker 1: You also said though, that they could very like there's
Speaker 1: some that are tan. There are variants even in those
Speaker 1: two categories.
Speaker 4: And well, I don't know whether they're literally different types
Speaker 4: or you know, this guy just looks a little bit
Speaker 4: darker than the other ones. I don't know. And sometimes,
Speaker 4: you know, the bedroom is darker than other times, you know, so,
Speaker 4: but usually they seem almost bright white to me, but yeah,
Speaker 4: there are other times where they there are ones that
Speaker 4: seem darker.
Speaker 1: Uh. And keep in mind that you know you're under
Speaker 1: their control. And what they don't like is if you're
Speaker 1: staring at their faces and taking notes. They don't want
Speaker 1: you paying at time, that's right. They don't want you
Speaker 1: making mental notes about exactly what they look like.
Speaker 4: And for me, a lot of times I noticed they
Speaker 4: like to stand behind me. Whatever we're doing, they're behind you.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I was a police officer, and when
Speaker 4: you bring a prisoner anywhere, you walk behind them so
Speaker 4: you know exactly what they're doing. They don't know exactly
Speaker 4: what you're.
Speaker 1: Doing very much, so they don't like you looking at them.
Speaker 1: And first of all, there's a great impetus to not
Speaker 1: look them in the face, because that means you're looking
Speaker 1: at them in the eyes, and that is they're like
Speaker 1: their strongest level of control, I believe, is when you
Speaker 1: make eye contact with them. But one time, they're taking
Speaker 1: me somewhere on the craft and I'm thinking, clearly kind
Speaker 1: of I'm in the trance, but I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: two aliens in front of me, and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the back of the one alien's head. You know, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a good look here. I'm only sitting the
Speaker 1: back of the head, but I could see the little
Speaker 1: dent to the back of the skull, kind of the
Speaker 1: bumps of the low cranium, and I'm really checking this
Speaker 1: guy out. And I'm perfectly silent. I'm in the seat
Speaker 1: they put me in in this short Gray whips around
Speaker 1: from his seat at the console and screams at me,
Speaker 1: stop staring at me, and just dangers of anger, you know,
Speaker 1: real anger hitting me. Boom, hit me in the face.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really understand at that young age how
Speaker 1: he knew, but he knew I was staring at him,
Speaker 1: and he so, yeah, there's you know, And I will
Speaker 1: go on to say that. I think in Sean grees
Speaker 1: that often it's the same aliens handling you. Yeah, through years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're very familiar with each other, like you were
Speaker 4: assigned to case workers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they stick with him. But yes, I have seen
Speaker 1: two other different types of aliens. And at one large
Speaker 1: major abduction, they took everybody to a facility and Sean
Speaker 1: was there, but Sean was like three, and I have
Speaker 1: no memory of this. Yeah, there were two reptilians there.
Speaker 1: They were kind of like working security, just standing there,
Speaker 1: and they were I'd never seen him before and I've
Speaker 1: never seen him sense, And since I was paralyzed looking forward,
Speaker 1: I can only see them out of the corner of
Speaker 1: my eyes. And there were let me tell you, this
Speaker 1: was a big thing. This is one time they took
Speaker 1: us in the middle of the day. It was like
Speaker 1: a drill or something, a mass drill, because there were underground.
Speaker 1: It appears to be corters are winding kind of but smooth.
Speaker 1: I mean the floor is like polished marble in an
Speaker 1: office building, but not always flat. It curves. The aliens
Speaker 1: to me, they're not big on like right angles, you know,
Speaker 1: in their ships and in the things. They like curves
Speaker 1: curved hallways, and there were there were quarters coming off everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I there must have been I must have seen
Speaker 1: three hundred people that time. And I'm paralyzed. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward only I can't move anything but my eyes. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know, they were taking Seawn and my mom and
Speaker 1: my other sibling that way, and I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 1: with them. No, no, no, no, no, You're coming over here.
Speaker 1: You get in this line right here. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to, so they put me in it and
Speaker 1: they paralyzed me and they walk away, and the two
Speaker 1: reptilians were Do you remember the old shopping malls of
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies where you'd walk through and there would
Speaker 1: be like an open part where there would be a
Speaker 1: water feature and maybe a little footbridge over the water there,
Speaker 1: like where people would throw quarters and coins and like
Speaker 1: it was a wishing well well. There was a little
Speaker 1: stream running between two sections and a little footbridge over it,
Speaker 1: and that's where the two reptilians were standing. And they
Speaker 1: were much darker than I thought, and they had a
Speaker 1: lot of teeth, but I only got a quick look
Speaker 1: like needle teeth. They didn't really look like alligators or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But I only got a quick look.
Speaker 1: But what happened while I was in that line, and
Speaker 1: this is probably why they were there at this big event,
Speaker 1: because about three people behind me, somebody started to wake up,
Speaker 1: all right, and I couldn't turn around a look. I
Speaker 1: could only hear and the guy started moaning. He was like, eh,
Speaker 1: like he was struggling to wake up. And then he says,
Speaker 1: this isn't this isn't a dream. This is not a dream.
Speaker 1: This is really happening.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, help me help.
Speaker 1: This is real. And he starts screaming, and a tall
Speaker 1: gray hustles over, and the two reptilians were chuckling and
Speaker 1: not out loud. I could hear him. They're like they
Speaker 1: were enjoying this guy's panic, and the tall gray and
Speaker 1: the two of them they grab them and they hustle
Speaker 1: them off because he could have woken up the herd.
Speaker 1: So that is my one and only experience with reptilians.
Speaker 1: And I hate to even say it happened, because reptilians
Speaker 1: have this crazy lore that I think is absolutely foolish.
Speaker 1: Things to people like David Ike, it's always the reptilians.
Speaker 1: The scenarios I tend to take less seriously are the
Speaker 1: ones that involve the reptilians doing the abductions. This time,
Speaker 1: when I saw them, they were clearly employed by the grace.
Speaker 1: That was my only time, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: pretend it didn't happen, even though I would love to
Speaker 1: distance myself completely from any talk of reptilians, because I
Speaker 1: think most of it's just lore, to be honest. And
Speaker 1: the other the other species that I have encountered, and
Speaker 1: only once again as far as I know. For all,
Speaker 1: I know the movies together, the baseball part, but I
Speaker 1: only remember once, and I would remember this guy, and
Speaker 1: that is the mantis like a praying mantis, very much,
Speaker 1: very tall, like maybe even taller than the tall grays,
Speaker 1: you know, eight feetish. And they looked it looked largely
Speaker 1: like a praying mantis and had those the front fore
Speaker 1: limbs that curved down and the ridge of spikes along
Speaker 1: the four limb, and I had the same like triangle head.
Speaker 1: But get this, I only got a glimpse at first
Speaker 1: that landed me in big trouble. What happened was again
Speaker 1: two tall grays walking me back. I'm always like a
Speaker 1: couple of yards behind them. They walked fast, but I'm
Speaker 1: right there and I'm in the line zone, but I'm
Speaker 1: you know, awaken up to see where I'm walking so
Speaker 1: I don't walk into a wall. And we're going down
Speaker 1: a corridor and I glanced to my left and there
Speaker 1: was a door that was open, and I just look
Speaker 1: in and it was two very two tall grays who
Speaker 1: were like just as far as I knew, and they're
Speaker 1: lifting this it looks like a creaky grasshopper, but it
Speaker 1: was a mantis. And it wasn't green and healthy looking.
Speaker 1: It was brown and looked brittle. It looked very brittle.
Speaker 1: And the two tall grays were lifting him into a chair,
Speaker 1: and you know, I got the feeling he was very
Speaker 1: old and needed help, but I didn't know. I only
Speaker 1: had a quick second to look as I as I'm
Speaker 1: walking by, and the door slides shut as I'm walking by,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, that's pretty What was that? That's what
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, And that instant the grays and I hear
Speaker 1: a loud voice and it says, bring him back here.
Speaker 1: And the two tall grays look they're aliens, but some
Speaker 1: of them are really nice too, tall gray. I kind
Speaker 1: of knew I was in big trouble and they're trying
Speaker 1: to help me out. They said, oh, we got to
Speaker 1: get him back, you know, really tight schedule. We gotta
Speaker 1: get him going right now. I'm sure he didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: but we should probably get him back. Booming mantis voice
Speaker 1: in our heads said, I saw through his eyes, he
Speaker 1: saw me bring him. Okay. In the tall gray leans
Speaker 1: in down next to me, is quietly and conspiratorially as
Speaker 1: he kenned, he says, do not say a word, do
Speaker 1: not speak, just just be quiet. And he was letting
Speaker 1: me know that this is like a peril, like this
Speaker 1: could be it for me, and that they couldn't really
Speaker 1: protect me. But I'm loopy anyway, so I'm not really
Speaker 1: worried about it. I mean, I get it. I can
Speaker 1: feel the apparently I wasn't supposed to see this guy. Well,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe close your door, right? Why is
Speaker 1: it always the kid's fault? These idiot aliens can't close
Speaker 1: the guy damn door and the secret mantis Okay, they
Speaker 1: bring me back and they open the door and we
Speaker 1: go in and it is the two tall grays that
Speaker 1: had helped the mantis into the chair and the two
Speaker 1: tall grays were my handlers. And the mantis. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not like a nude bug. It had a big,
Speaker 1: flowing purple robe like royalty. There were so many cliches
Speaker 1: to this, to the reality of Availien contact, and that's
Speaker 1: one of them. And we're there and I can tell
Speaker 1: the Grays behind me are really concerned, and the mantis says,
Speaker 1: you know, telepathically, put him on his knees right there,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was like, what what is this?
Speaker 1: It's like a Gladiator movie. I thought it was again
Speaker 1: a cliche. What would a power move? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: like ten, dude, I'm like eleven, and get him on
Speaker 1: his knees. And I'm on my knees like you know,
Speaker 1: Spartacus or something. I'm about to get whipped. And I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and it was hideous. It was
Speaker 1: really an ugly thing. Maybe because he was old, maybe
Speaker 1: because he was mean. But he says, to me, you
Speaker 1: never saw me, do you understand? He said, you never
Speaker 1: saw me, You never speak of me ever in your life.
Speaker 1: You forget you saw me, and you never speak of
Speaker 1: this anyone. And he said, if you ever speak of
Speaker 1: me to anyone, I will kill your family. And I'm
Speaker 1: just I can't believe what this creature just said to me.
Speaker 1: Take him away, get him out of here. As we
Speaker 1: leave the room, two talk race are like faster, come on,
Speaker 1: let's get to that ship, like right now. Their word's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, bring it back. I want to kill him,
Speaker 1: and I would. I would just like to say to that,
Speaker 1: if that is that crusty insect praying mantis is listening
Speaker 1: to your podcast, which we all know he is, I
Speaker 1: would just like to say, go f yourself, because my
Speaker 1: mother is dead, my dad is dead. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: you're gonna do to hurt me or stop me from
Speaker 1: talking about you. I will talk about you every chance
Speaker 1: I get. So. Yeah. So it was only those two incidents,
Speaker 1: one where I met reptilians and the other where I
Speaker 1: met a mantis, and I am not happy I did so.
Speaker 1: But they're all the same hierarchy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It looked to me like the mantis was the boss
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like the man behind the curtain, and
Speaker 1: then the tall grays. I mean, but they were kind
Speaker 1: to me often.
Speaker 4: Yeah, surprisingly so they were a lot nicer than you
Speaker 4: would think, and definitely a lot nicer than they had
Speaker 4: to be. If they can come in and just paralyze you,
Speaker 4: float you out your wall or window up to their ship,
Speaker 4: they don't even have to talk to you at all
Speaker 4: if they don't want to. But they do try to
Speaker 4: reassure people, even people who freak out you hear them say.
Speaker 4: They often tell them to calm down or relax, or
Speaker 4: they won't won't hurt them, and with us, you know,
Speaker 4: for me, I got so used to them that I
Speaker 4: didn't get freaked out at all, and would, even as
Speaker 4: a child anyway, get excited when they would show up.
Speaker 4: And as a child, I would remember these incidents and
Speaker 4: I would tell my mother and my parents about it,
Speaker 4: and you know, they didn't really want to hear it.
Speaker 4: And one morning I woke up and told them, I said,
Speaker 4: a man who wasn't a man came in and took
Speaker 4: me last night. And my father said, oh, you mean
Speaker 4: a monster, and they burst out and laughter.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean my mother, who had been going through
Speaker 1: the mill on this for decades already, and my father,
Speaker 1: who'd been taken more than once, but not all that often.
Speaker 1: I mean, they took him like if he was in
Speaker 1: the car with you or there were a few times
Speaker 1: they took him, but they often left him. Whatever they
Speaker 1: wanted was through our mom. But I remember that day
Speaker 1: because I was downstairs in the my basement bedroom and
Speaker 1: I heard Mom and dad laughing upstairs at the coffee
Speaker 1: table when they started the day with cigarettes and coffee
Speaker 1: and complaints. Usually there was no laughter coming from that table. Ever. Oh,
Speaker 1: I woke up and I'm like, what's so funny? And
Speaker 1: I come up and Sean is irate. He's completely angry
Speaker 1: and read that nobody believes him, and they said, well,
Speaker 1: what's going on? He goes there was there was this.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a man, but it was like a man.
Speaker 1: Fall big head was in my room and he took me.
Speaker 1: He took me into You described a craft as being
Speaker 1: like a Simon, which was a nineteen seventies game where
Speaker 1: you tap the colored lights that come on. Yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of a memory game. Yeah. And it was very much
Speaker 1: shaped like a like a flying saucer. And he's telling
Speaker 1: me this and I said, oh, Sean, come on, don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Man, you had a bad dream. There's
Speaker 1: no such thing. Nobody's coming in you weren't any They
Speaker 1: took you into a ship. That's no Sean. It was
Speaker 1: just a dream, relaxed. There's no there, no monsters. And
Speaker 1: Sean was absolutely furious at me. He was making his
Speaker 1: stand and you were like ten, Yeah, you were angry
Speaker 1: at all three of us. No bear in mind, I'd
Speaker 1: been taken for sixteen years by that point. Even I
Speaker 1: turned my back to what Sean was saying, because that's
Speaker 1: how strong their hold is over your memories. They it's
Speaker 1: it's almost absolute. If it wasn't for that one day
Speaker 1: when we caught them, everything fell. Their whole was shattered
Speaker 1: over us.
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Speaker 3: It's time, It's new is the x x X.
Speaker 2: When did you both sit down together and say, this
Speaker 2: is some pretty strange things that have gone on. When
Speaker 2: did you both make that connection that things were happening,
Speaker 2: and when did you decide to start sharing it?
Speaker 1: Well, what happened is one day happened, and the day
Speaker 1: was August nineteenth, nineteen ninety six. My whole family, all
Speaker 1: four of us, had been taken, our whole lives, and
Speaker 1: we did it. At this point, Sean, you didn't.
Speaker 4: I'm living a normal young man's life. I recently hired
Speaker 4: by the police department full time, living in my parents'
Speaker 4: basement apartment of their single family home and a residential
Speaker 4: neighborhood and a nice town in upstate New York.
Speaker 1: And said aliens were not the least been a part
Speaker 1: of your mind, and same here, same here, and we
Speaker 1: didn't even remember the times when we did remember, and
Speaker 1: it brought it to people's attention and we were shot down,
Speaker 1: like when I asked my mom about him and they
Speaker 1: clipped out on me saying Child Protective Services was gonna
Speaker 1: come take me away if I ever mentioned this to anybody,
Speaker 1: is this. If it wasn't for this day, Nick you,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be talking and we would have gone to
Speaker 1: our graves, not knowing what they've done to us for
Speaker 1: our whole lives. It was this one day. Now back
Speaker 1: up about two weeks, and my mother did remember a
Speaker 1: lot more than she let on. She was often angry
Speaker 1: that we didn't know. And I walked in and she
Speaker 1: was watching like Oprah, and Oprah was talking to witnesses
Speaker 1: of the UFO incident and Mom's watching it, and I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I believe those people. They
Speaker 1: sound like they're genuine. And she looks at me with
Speaker 1: like a kind of side eye and says, oh, you do,
Speaker 1: do you? And I said, yeah, I just really want
Speaker 1: to see one. I'd like to really see one. Oh.
Speaker 1: She's like, you do hw you want to see one?
Speaker 1: Do you? Huh? And I could tell she was upset.
Speaker 1: And I said what and she goes, just forget it,
Speaker 1: never mind, all right, just drop it. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't got into her, and I went out with
Speaker 1: my day. But two weeks later, August nineteenth, nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: at this point, Mom was throwing a picnic in the
Speaker 1: backyard for everybody. I got out of work headed over
Speaker 1: there just before six. Mom had already invented, my had
Speaker 1: my aunt was there, my cousin was there. We were
Speaker 1: waiting for Dad to come home from Albany where he worked.
Speaker 1: He'd be home soon, and waiting for Sewing to wake up.
Speaker 1: He's in the basement bedroom, you know, because he works
Speaker 1: over nights and so he sleeps during the day. And
Speaker 1: there we were in the backyard, and it was a
Speaker 1: beautiful sunny day, six o'clock in August, not a cloud
Speaker 1: in the sky, just as you're blue. And I recline
Speaker 1: on a change lounge. I'm just waiting, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of for the food. And I was reading the newspaper,
Speaker 1: even though it's a terrible newspaper. I'm holding up like
Speaker 1: strangely open, like Fred McMurray and my three sons. Where
Speaker 1: he was, you know, a dad who didn't want to
Speaker 1: deal with his children. He was the newspaper as a
Speaker 1: barrier between himself and and parenting responsibly. But I'm reading
Speaker 1: the newspaper and my mother, talking with my aunt Missy says, oh, Chris,
Speaker 1: look there's that UFO you wanted to see. And I
Speaker 1: could hear in her voice that she was, you know,
Speaker 1: she was busting my chops. You could just hear it, right.
Speaker 1: So I didn't even look up, for I didn't give
Speaker 1: her the satisfaction of looking at it. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to you know when I
Speaker 1: look up and then said the balloon that says happy birthday,
Speaker 1: Tony or something, and then they get a good laugh.
Speaker 1: So I didn't. And another half minute goes by, and
Speaker 1: my aunt said, wait, what is that? And my mother said, well,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. And my mother's only confused,
Speaker 1: and if she was acting, she was doing a great job.
Speaker 1: They were literally confused. And I so finally I go
Speaker 1: all right. I lowered the paper and I said, all
Speaker 1: right what and what I was looking at was a
Speaker 1: flying saucer and it was it was materializing. It was
Speaker 1: not fully there. At first I thought it was the
Speaker 1: great distance away, because it had the properties of something
Speaker 1: very far in the distant. It was like if you
Speaker 1: look at a hotter balloon that's two miles away. You know,
Speaker 1: the colors will be really light, it'll be more substantial,
Speaker 1: it'll be warbling a little because the atmosphere makes you
Speaker 1: distort things, and this was you know, it's kind of translucent,
Speaker 1: and it was warbling, you know, like like you're looking
Speaker 1: at it through a heatmerage, you know, like when you
Speaker 1: look at a hot road in the summer, and these
Speaker 1: waves of distortion radiating upwards. But it was radiating in
Speaker 1: all direct directions. It was, and it was, but it
Speaker 1: was becoming more and more distinct, and as it became
Speaker 1: more clear and more solid, I could see there was
Speaker 1: not a great distance away. It was you know, it
Speaker 1: was over our property line, It was over our house.
Speaker 1: It was about thirty feet to where we were by
Speaker 1: the pool, and it was about forty five feet in
Speaker 1: the air, and all of a sudden, it was perfectly clear.
Speaker 1: There were shadows on it. It was chrome bright. It
Speaker 1: was spinning. The top was spinning one way, the bottom
Speaker 1: was spinning another. And I couldn't figure out what it
Speaker 1: was because, hey, I've never seen anything alien. That's what
Speaker 1: I actually thought at that point. They had covered me
Speaker 1: my mind for all those years that I didn't even
Speaker 1: recognize it as a flying saucer. Initially, To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, you know, your mind, some people say your mind
Speaker 1: leaps to assume anything's of an alien ship. But it's
Speaker 1: really the opposite. When you see something extraordinary in front
Speaker 1: of you, you start running down a checklist for what
Speaker 1: normal things this could possibly be, before you approach the
Speaker 1: territory of saying, I mean, now, with what we know,
Speaker 1: it would be different. But at this point, with her
Speaker 1: memory sequestered, it took me a long time before I
Speaker 1: hit on flying saucer and that's what it was. And
Speaker 1: we're watching it, and I'm looking at my mother and
Speaker 1: my aunt. They're like in a trance, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of in a trance. I'm not I don't have any
Speaker 1: adrenaline rush from a flying saucer in front of me,
Speaker 1: but I was kind of coming out of it, and
Speaker 1: that saucer lights up and I'm like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: this is escalating. I need I need Sean. John has
Speaker 1: a gun. John is a cop. I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: mom and aunt in a trance, my cousin in the
Speaker 1: pool with this stupid swim cap and goggles. He's just
Speaker 1: staring up in a trance. So I go to get Sean.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get him, and I run. I run
Speaker 1: up the steps to the kitchen to go get Sean.
Speaker 1: But I froze on those steps. For some reason. I
Speaker 1: froze because I heard a voice in my head saying, wait,
Speaker 1: don't go in there. You'll never get a chance to
Speaker 1: see anything like this again, if you know, if you
Speaker 1: go in, it'll be gone when you come out. Why
Speaker 1: are you bothering? Just stay and watch it. And I'm thinking, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a concern. But I look a gun at my
Speaker 1: mom my aunt, and I go, no, I'm going in,
Speaker 1: And I run in, and I leap down the stairs
Speaker 1: to his bedroom like four steps at a time, and
Speaker 1: I go to open his door, and another voice as
Speaker 1: to me, which it felt like my own thoughts, but
Speaker 1: the voice says, no, don't open the door. He's asleep
Speaker 1: and he has a gun, and if you startle him
Speaker 1: and he wakes up, he could shoot you. And you know,
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't. He's not sleeping, he's not rayleioda
Speaker 1: and good fellows with a your pillow under the bed,
Speaker 1: right on the pillow, you're gone under the Yeah. So
Speaker 1: it was a stupid thing for me to think, but
Speaker 1: it stopped me from opening the door. Instead, I pounded
Speaker 1: on the door, bam bam, bam, bam, bam bam, Bam, Sean,
Speaker 1: get up. There's a flying saucer outside his UFO. Get
Speaker 1: up here. Now in those moments.
Speaker 4: Where I think you said ufo ufo and I do, yeah,
Speaker 4: flying saucer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, while I'm giving you my side, here is Sean's
Speaker 1: for you. This is from two sides. It's a very
Speaker 1: complicated thing, and I couldn't or he couldn't explain it
Speaker 1: without the other person there this day. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it gets confusing. So while that's happening to me, why well,
Speaker 1: I'm running to get you. But I stop because, like,
Speaker 1: don't look at this for a little while more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my end of this is.
Speaker 4: First thing I see is I'm in the air, elevated
Speaker 4: above the houses, looking down upon the backyard and seeing
Speaker 4: everybody by the pool. And because everybody was there, I
Speaker 4: got excited. I wanted to go join them go swimming,
Speaker 4: So I ask, can I go swimming? And that's the
Speaker 4: first moment I noticed, you know who I was talking to.
Speaker 4: Off to my right side, parallel with me, maybe eight
Speaker 4: or ten feet away, was what I've described as the
Speaker 4: what are the short.
Speaker 1: Rais leans forward and.
Speaker 4: Turns his head to look towards me. He comes into
Speaker 4: my line of sight a little better, and he says,
Speaker 4: we're taking you to bed.
Speaker 1: You can get up and go swimming.
Speaker 4: And he even emphasized the word up, and he called
Speaker 4: it bed. He didn't call it you know, you're sleeping
Speaker 4: quarters or anything stupid like that, and said we're he
Speaker 4: didn't say we are.
Speaker 1: Next thing.
Speaker 4: I know standing there and I could see everybody was
Speaker 4: an unobstructed view. I'm not looking down through a portal
Speaker 4: or a small window or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I can see.
Speaker 4: Whole yard, not only our yard, but the next door
Speaker 4: neighbor's yard, and I knew that everybody was there. But
Speaker 4: looking back now, I don't remember who was where, except
Speaker 4: for like he was talking about, my cousin Philip was
Speaker 4: in the pool. And I remember also he had that
Speaker 4: swimming cap on like you see on a really elderly
Speaker 4: person and old movies like Jaws. I think there was
Speaker 4: an elderly fellow at the beach with one nice hat. Harry,
Speaker 4: don't wear.
Speaker 1: A swim cap if you want to meet a woman.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we were looking in shipps opaque. But you're
Speaker 1: looking down at us. So this is about the time
Speaker 1: I'm going to get you, or.
Speaker 4: Maybe walking towards the closer underneath it to the fence. Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't know, because I don't remember exactly where you were.
Speaker 4: I remember seeing him in the pool, and then I
Speaker 4: notice a reflection of light off the pool, like all
Speaker 4: these tiny little beams of light, like points of light
Speaker 4: really just flickering off the pool water. And I was
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, boy, that's weird. I've never seen anything
Speaker 4: like that. Must be the angle that I'm looking at,
Speaker 4: the sun's reflection. And because I'm elevated, you know, not
Speaker 4: even thinking that that's weird that I'm looking at it
Speaker 4: from an elevated position. I felt very normal incomfortable where
Speaker 4: I was. I didn't freak out when I saw the
Speaker 4: alien next to me at all. I wasn't freaked out
Speaker 4: by the fact that I'm looking down in the yard.
Speaker 4: I felt normal and comfortable.
Speaker 1: And what you saw was that at that point the
Speaker 1: ship had gone from a silver craft completely lit up,
Speaker 1: with like needles of light coming off in this rose
Speaker 1: pink yellow like the color of like a road flare
Speaker 1: if you had an accident, you know, that magnesium and
Speaker 1: all these points of light coming off. At this point,
Speaker 1: I said, whatever's going on this escalated quickly, to quote
Speaker 1: ron Burgundy, and it was out of my control, and
Speaker 1: I was thinking more and more clearly, now whatever had
Speaker 1: me sitting there placidly watched for like the six or
Speaker 1: seven minutes it took to solidify. Now it's gotten serious,
Speaker 1: and I determined I'm going to get shown. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I saw the reflection of the light. I had
Speaker 4: no idea what it was. I assumed the sun, like
Speaker 4: I stated, but looking back after hearing Christ's description, I'm
Speaker 4: sure that's what I was seeing, was the reflection of
Speaker 4: the light of the flying saucer itself that it was
Speaker 4: giving off. After seeing that, the next thing I know,
Speaker 4: I'm in my basement and I've got my arm over
Speaker 4: the shoulders of each arm over the shoulder of a
Speaker 4: taller gray than the short one. They were probably a
Speaker 4: little bit shorter than I was, but they were holding
Speaker 4: me up, and all of a sudden, unlike in.
Speaker 1: The ship, I felt as if I was.
Speaker 4: Drunk or drugged. I would say it was most similar
Speaker 4: to anesthesia, which I've had. I've had a number of operations,
Speaker 4: and I would say it was very similar to that
Speaker 4: where you're kind of aware, you're you know, you're leaving
Speaker 4: the operating room or what have you, but you don't
Speaker 4: remember it typically, And just like if I was a
Speaker 4: drunk friend, they're helping me to bed by putting an
Speaker 4: arm over their shoulder and literally escorting me through the basement.
Speaker 4: Turned and I said to the one to my right,
Speaker 4: looked right at the one on my right arm. I said,
Speaker 4: thank you, like God's for helping me to bed. He
Speaker 4: ignored that, and we just continued towards the bedroom, which
Speaker 4: was on the other end of the house. So I
Speaker 4: said it again. I'd look back at him, I said
Speaker 4: thank you, and he just whether he didn't want to
Speaker 4: engage in a conversation to stimulate me, or he was
Speaker 4: just kind of disinterested and blowing me off. He literally
Speaker 4: says yeah, yeah, and we continue on our way and
Speaker 4: they're holding me up. Keep in mind these these we
Speaker 4: talked about it earlier, how thin they are and how
Speaker 4: frail they look, but they're stronger than they look. They're
Speaker 4: they're helping me, and I'm an adult at this point,
Speaker 4: so I got to be about one hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: pounds anyway, and they're during a brunt of my weight.
Speaker 4: I remember my feet almost dragging as they're bringing me
Speaker 4: to bed.
Speaker 1: So you at this point, you're in your bedroom, about
Speaker 1: to put you in bed, and this is the point
Speaker 1: I'm going to run in in the house and get you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 4: Next thing I remember is really being in the bed
Speaker 4: and there's one being at the foot of my bed
Speaker 4: and one at the side of my bed, and I
Speaker 4: start to go to sleep, and I hear quote unquote,
Speaker 4: you know, with a telepathy, the one on the side
Speaker 4: of the bed, in a absolute panic, like as panicked
Speaker 4: as anybody you've ever seen in your life in any circumstance,
Speaker 4: says he's coming.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get caught. And this is when I'm just
Speaker 1: about to run down the stairs. And then in that instant,
Speaker 1: something makes me stop and look at the ship again.
Speaker 1: Tell me, don't just.
Speaker 4: Watch this, And the alien at the foot of my
Speaker 4: bed com is a cucumber, says no, he's not not yet.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm hearing this and as tired as
Speaker 4: I can be, but I'm thinking to myself, who could
Speaker 4: they be worried about catching them? You know, is there
Speaker 4: some supreme being on his way here? And what are
Speaker 4: they doing wrong?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to really call myself a
Speaker 1: supreme being. But that's the thought that.
Speaker 4: Was going through my head is I was almost picturing,
Speaker 4: you know, some supreme being showing up. And so it
Speaker 4: took literally every ounce energy I had to sit up
Speaker 4: in bed. And now both of them were at the
Speaker 4: foot of my bed. The one was walking towards the
Speaker 4: foot of my bed as he was panicking, saying he
Speaker 4: was going to get caught. They were going to get caught.
Speaker 4: So I sit up and I look at him and
Speaker 4: I say, who's coming, And they both turn around to
Speaker 4: look at me, and this time they're both I don't
Speaker 4: want to use the word panic. They were more like rushed,
Speaker 4: hurriedly trying to get out of there, and things are
Speaker 4: going wrong. So they both look at me and say
Speaker 4: in unison, and they drag out the words like I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say it. They say, go to sleep, and with
Speaker 4: that I have absolutely no choice but to lay right
Speaker 4: back down and start to drift off to sleep. I
Speaker 4: don't know if it's hypnosis or mind control like we
Speaker 4: talked about earlier, but I had no choice but to
Speaker 4: drift off to sleep. And what seemed like instant later,
Speaker 4: I hear a pounding on the door my bedroom door,
Speaker 4: and it's Chris saying, Sean, get up, there's a UFO outside.
Speaker 4: And I remember thinking to myself and trying to answer
Speaker 4: Chris using the telepathy I was just using with these aliens.
Speaker 4: I remember trying to answer him, saying, of course there is.
Speaker 4: They just left, and then I thought to myself, what
Speaker 4: you know, that's odd, and so I uh, I realized
Speaker 4: what's going on here, and I throw the blanket off
Speaker 4: of me. You know, I don't remember getting under the blanket.
Speaker 4: Apparently they tucked me in nicely.
Speaker 1: They convinced me not to open your bedroom door. They
Speaker 1: were probably still in there, and so like a fool.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, let's face it, if I threw
Speaker 1: that door open and there's two grays putting on to bed,
Speaker 1: I would have screamed, like if a five year old
Speaker 1: girl dropped a bowling ball on her foot, I would
Speaker 1: have have screamed, what am I gonna do?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: So I didn't open it, though, but it woke sewn up.
Speaker 1: He came right upstairs and outside and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Sean and he was wincing in pain. He was like,
Speaker 1: if if you took someone out in the daylight, who's
Speaker 1: been in the hot box in a prison movie. It
Speaker 1: was painful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt that's a great description.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was painful for him. I could see that,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, you know, poor guy didn't didn't
Speaker 1: get enough sleep. I mean, it'd been down there eight hours.
Speaker 1: But who knows how busy they kept him in the
Speaker 1: g darm ship. Okay, they keep you busy. So he
Speaker 1: he's there. I cleaned that up. So and so I'm like, Sean,
Speaker 1: Jeann wouldn't believe it. My mother's like, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: really weird. It was like a alsa and everything, and
Speaker 1: Sean's kind of just wins it. I'm like, Sean, you
Speaker 1: got hot. And by this time it had moved off.
Speaker 1: It had gone over several streets and it was heading
Speaker 1: due east, and I said, Jahn, Jeohn, let's get in
Speaker 1: the car and maybe we can catch it. You should
Speaker 1: really see this thing. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We took the convertible LeBaron, I think my car.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we head out twenty nine and you know,
Speaker 1: the roads just go one way, and if something veers
Speaker 1: a little bed, it's cross roads or miles away. So
Speaker 1: we didn't see it. And I'm like, Jean, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe it was a flying saucers right outside. Those things
Speaker 1: are real. I didn't believe it. It was a real thing.
Speaker 1: I We're driving down rough twenty nine and I'm jabbering
Speaker 1: about what we saw.
Speaker 4: What I saw, and I said, yeah, they were bringing
Speaker 4: me back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He said they were bringing me back. And I
Speaker 1: said to him, I'm like, poor Shawn, and woke him up.
Speaker 1: He's still half dreaming. I said, oh no, Sean, I said,
Speaker 1: we're just talking about a flying saucer hovering over the
Speaker 1: backyard for eight or nine minutes. We're not talking about
Speaker 1: an alien of production or anything like that. That's how
Speaker 1: out of touch I was to think there was some
Speaker 1: enormous gulf between you know, I just learned that flying
Speaker 1: saucers were real, despite the fact I'd been on them
Speaker 1: for decades. Yeah, and I said, oh no, we're just
Speaker 1: talking about a flying saucer. And you said they'd taken
Speaker 1: you too. My first thought was, oh, boy, Sean is
Speaker 1: losing it. And I'm like, oh no, he's always been
Speaker 1: so logical. He's been the rational one. He's been the brock.
Speaker 1: I said, jewn no, no, but listen, it's one thing
Speaker 1: you talked about.
Speaker 4: You but no, don't you remember the time? And I
Speaker 4: reminded him of the time my mother screamed in the
Speaker 4: kitchen and ran past us, saying, why do they always
Speaker 4: have to come back?
Speaker 1: Well, why do they all? And we're saying in Uni said,
Speaker 1: why do they always have to come back? She screamed,
Speaker 1: and that in that moment, in that instant, I remember that,
Speaker 1: I said, I remember that. Yeah, and then and I
Speaker 1: could detail that, and I remember the time, holy shit,
Speaker 1: confronted with it and that was it their whole. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know how much I've recovered, and Shawn doesn't
Speaker 1: know how much he's recovered.
Speaker 4: Sure, even the things we recovered, the incidents, we only
Speaker 4: remember bits and pieces of him.
Speaker 1: Quite often, there's only a couple I remember all the
Speaker 1: way through. But you know what, you're more alert at
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end, and you're alert in the
Speaker 1: middle only when they need you to be thinking, like
Speaker 1: when they were testing you, those times, like when they
Speaker 1: were taking you to secret school, like when they were
Speaker 1: introducing me to my hybrid. So, yeah, it was right then,
Speaker 1: and that was nineteen ninety six, and that was a
Speaker 1: turning point in my life anyway, and since then I've
Speaker 1: been out there as a real advocate, and that's when
Speaker 1: we talked about it for the first time as conscious people.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you it's spent thirty years, but I'm
Speaker 1: still angry. These beings are no good. Okay, what they're
Speaker 1: doing is for their own benefit and not ours. I mean,
Speaker 1: John will have a nice position when they take over.
Speaker 1: But I am willing to say that this is an invasion.
Speaker 1: This is a takeover. They're taking this planet and all
Speaker 1: its resources, and we're the number one resource right now.
Speaker 1: That's why they're making all these hybrids that look so human.
Speaker 1: They can live here, they can hide among us as
Speaker 1: they slowly do whatever they're doing. All I know is this.
Speaker 1: They said to me, the doll Granny said to me
Speaker 1: several times. Soon we will all live here together and
Speaker 1: everyone will know his place. Now, where's our place? Let's
Speaker 1: face it. They don't ask our permission for anything, and
Speaker 1: they do all kinds of awful things, and they come
Speaker 1: again and again and again. In fact, I blame them
Speaker 1: for my bad grades in school. You're so tired. I
Speaker 1: wake up exhaust I'm like, why am I exhausted? Oh?
Speaker 1: You were working in the you know, you know there
Speaker 1: are other words besides abductee that I think fit and
Speaker 1: like a forced employee is one. It really fits. But
Speaker 1: we discussed that, and so right, Sean tired they took
Speaker 1: you all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was getting I was going to bed
Speaker 4: early and to make sure I got my sleep at night.
Speaker 4: And I remember going to bed and get you ten
Speaker 4: hours every night quote unquote. Yeah that's minus the time
Speaker 4: they were taking me.
Speaker 1: Minus five. You know it was.
Speaker 4: It was exhausting and difficult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're exploiting us, and they don't you know,
Speaker 1: they can be kind, but I'm sure there were some
Speaker 1: prison guards that Traplenka who were nice people too, But
Speaker 1: I don't think what they're doing is good for us. Now,
Speaker 1: Sean and I we disagree on this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, as far as it takes, I I'll simply
Speaker 4: say that I don't know what their ultimate agenda is.
Speaker 4: I really don't know. They never told me. I have
Speaker 4: to speculate like everybody else.
Speaker 1: So I just know what.
Speaker 4: They've done with me, And you know, I find it
Speaker 4: difficult to believe that they spend so much time. First
Speaker 4: of all, I find it difficult to believe that they
Speaker 4: would spend so much resources and time on children to
Speaker 4: take them again and again and again, and you're looking
Speaker 4: at a minimum of three aliens doing it. The spaceship
Speaker 4: they're coming in on, risking being seen or crashing perhaps
Speaker 4: to come and get a kid for the umpteenth time,
Speaker 4: to do what to them.
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, you know. But what makes
Speaker 1: even less sense, and this is a good point to
Speaker 1: mention this is you only hear a lot of people
Speaker 1: talking about my labs that it's the military. It's men,
Speaker 1: human men who are doing all this subduction. There are
Speaker 1: quote unquote experts out there saying, oh, ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of what you see is just as people, and the
Speaker 1: people are doing the abductions military abductions. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there never were aliens, but it's people
Speaker 1: doing this. Let's just turn off the nonsense for one
Speaker 1: minute and take a look. They're proposing that our military
Speaker 1: has alien technology, or in some cases they're proposing that
Speaker 1: we invented it like in the fifties. Well, which doesn't
Speaker 1: explain all the sightings and Europe and the twenties of
Speaker 1: silver disk shape craft. So that's nonsense right there. These
Speaker 1: are alien ships and there's nothing that's hovering silently outside
Speaker 1: your house while a couple of couple of corporals march
Speaker 1: into your home and grab you and take you out.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's nonsense. And they're in the middle of
Speaker 1: the busy neighborhood, a suburban neighborhood. That's what this secret
Speaker 1: military thing is all about. Show it up in a
Speaker 1: busy suburban neighborhood and you know, marching into a house
Speaker 1: and grabbing kids and families. Now, okay, so they have
Speaker 1: these alien trips. They do that fantastic. Do they have
Speaker 1: mind control as well? They are? They turning on a
Speaker 1: government issued mind control device, which just makes you think
Speaker 1: it's gray aliens you're looking at and talking to. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's pretty specific. You mean the government has this mind
Speaker 1: control device. It's so effective, makes everyone see the same
Speaker 1: gray aliens instead of you know, guys with crew cuts
Speaker 1: looking like a Beetled Bailey and Gomer Pyle coming in
Speaker 1: your house and taking you. Oh no, turn on the
Speaker 1: alien mind control shields so they think we're grays. We don't.
Speaker 1: The military does not have that kind of mind control device.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, because if they did, and they've had it
Speaker 1: for tecades, they'd have been using it on you and
Speaker 1: the entire world. They cannot control your mind, they cannot
Speaker 1: make you forget your experiences. And let's put it this way,
Speaker 1: if they're pretending to be gray aliens, well then why
Speaker 1: do they bother? Why did they cover up your experiences
Speaker 1: so you don't even run over the gray aliens when
Speaker 1: it wasn't allegedly the grey aliens at all. It was
Speaker 1: the military people who are so smart with the spaceship
Speaker 1: inventions in my control. Okay, here's another one. They levitate you,
Speaker 1: all right, They levitate you up into their ships. Add
Speaker 1: that to the military arsenal, the levitation now without any
Speaker 1: visible equipment, they just levitate you up. It sounds like
Speaker 1: your ravage military troop. Right.
Speaker 4: Sure, let's not forget teleportation.
Speaker 1: The teleportation they teleported you to your Well, it was
Speaker 1: the military. They've gotten teleportation too, I guess right. And
Speaker 1: they have the ability to walk through walls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and not only them walk through the walls, but
Speaker 4: walk you through the walls and windows as well.
Speaker 1: I had no military budget was so high that they've
Speaker 1: developed the ability to pass through solid objects and grab
Speaker 1: a person and make them pass through solid objects.
Speaker 4: And what would they do with this technology.
Speaker 1: And this is what they're doing with it. You know
Speaker 1: what they're all right, if we had this technology since
Speaker 1: the fifties, just these ships, why did we lose Vietnam?
Speaker 1: Why didn't some military guy go to the people who
Speaker 1: the branch that are holding the secret saucer. Why didn't
Speaker 1: they go to them and say, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we are getting our asses kicked in Vietnam. I don't
Speaker 1: want to lose a war. How about you just loan
Speaker 1: us the two flying saucers. We can take out the
Speaker 1: North North Vietnamese and two days. Just loan us for
Speaker 1: two days, loan us two saucers, and we can make
Speaker 1: it so America wins this war. And then the people
Speaker 1: in charge with flying saucers say what they say, no way,
Speaker 1: no way, you can't borrow them. We've got important things
Speaker 1: to do with these other officer says like what got
Speaker 1: to go abduct a bunch of toddlers out of suburban neighborhoods? What? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, three four, five years old? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we got it. That's what we're doing. Can't give you
Speaker 1: a couple of shits to win a war. Come on,
Speaker 1: at what point do you start to realize how absolutely
Speaker 1: daffy and silly the notion is. Then it's military people
Speaker 1: doing this to us. It's absurd, And okay, the aliens
Speaker 1: are doing hybridization, that's what they're doing. Exactly what kind
Speaker 1: of hybrids are the military making If there's no aliens
Speaker 1: involved in the first place, what are they trying to
Speaker 1: cross breed an enlisted man with an officer class the
Speaker 1: first corporal slash colonel the pernel. It's absurd, and it's
Speaker 1: it's two things. One is human centric thinking. There we're
Speaker 1: always trying to make it so it's about us, or
Speaker 1: it's us doing it, or it's us from the future,
Speaker 1: or if it's us from in the past and the
Speaker 1: sideways to mension, these things are just us. So it's okay,
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's us the military doing this. Why they
Speaker 1: just you know, they have things to do. So sadly,
Speaker 1: all of this is the result of aliens. It is
Speaker 1: the result of superior beings from somewhere else, and it
Speaker 1: is in us. These things aren't even it's not us
Speaker 1: from the future. They're not even mammals. They're not even
Speaker 1: close to mammals, like we evolved to the point we're
Speaker 1: part insect and we have a telepathic i'd mind. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. Come on, gotta grow up.
Speaker 1: People have to grow up and face what's going on here.
Speaker 2: Good stuff, guys. I'd just like to just pop to
Speaker 2: bud them in it. What was the situations surrounding Bud Hopkins?
Speaker 2: Was he there to in two thousand and five? Was
Speaker 2: he there to interview youially about the nineteen ninety six encounter.
Speaker 1: Well, send out, you know, an email to the Intruder Foundation.
Speaker 1: He's a legend and we were still getting aware of
Speaker 1: all these things, you know, of who was what, and
Speaker 1: he was the manicoined the phrase missing time. He's a
Speaker 1: big guy who As I contact him, I said my brother,
Speaker 1: I said, my brother is an abductee. We're all abductees.
Speaker 1: And my brother's a cop, an active duty police officer.
Speaker 1: And we witnessed him being returned from a daylight abduction.
Speaker 1: And he said, oh my beer, and he came up
Speaker 1: like fast, within like a week or two. He was
Speaker 1: very excited because you know, a police officer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not only that, just the simple witnessed abduction is
Speaker 4: incredibly rare. You know, there's Travis Walton, there's the Linda
Speaker 4: Cortil case in New York City, and I think there's
Speaker 4: a couple of more out there, but it's pretty rare
Speaker 4: and it's but let alone, including a police officer and
Speaker 4: a daylight abduction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he came up. He wanted to see all
Speaker 1: the places that we were that these things happened, and
Speaker 1: he interviewed all four of us on my mother and
Speaker 1: my dad, and they never wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, please just talk to this guy. And my
Speaker 1: parents loved us very much, and so they said okay,
Speaker 1: and they talked about things they'd never talked about.
Speaker 4: Including many things we haven't covered tonight.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean you know you can't. But so
Speaker 1: and he went to he was on CNN and he
Speaker 1: declared our case to be an important case involving an
Speaker 1: active duty police officer who has witnessed being returned from
Speaker 1: an abduction by his family at a picnic in daylight.
Speaker 1: So got that going for us, and it was great
Speaker 1: that we did that. It was it brought a lot
Speaker 1: of light and closure. I ain't used the word, let's
Speaker 1: call it light and disclosure to our experiences. I'm grateful
Speaker 1: for having met the man and he's the most fascinating
Speaker 1: dinner guest you've ever heard. He told us things that
Speaker 1: he never put in the box and over two bottles
Speaker 1: of wonderful red wine. It was a night I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was just weeks after we met him
Speaker 4: that he discussed our case on CNN, and you know,
Speaker 4: it was pretty exciting to hear. It was the one
Speaker 4: and only case that he had mentioned. Uh, and he
Speaker 4: did declare it an important case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good that you got to meet him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: good stuff. Sean. You obviously retired now, but when you're
Speaker 2: a police officer, did you ever get any calls that
Speaker 2: were a little bit strange?
Speaker 4: It's great you mentioned I encountered one time myself while
Speaker 4: on duty that I know of. But yeah, there are
Speaker 4: pulled up my driveway, which I'd make stops at my
Speaker 4: house every once in a while work the midnight shift.
Speaker 4: And as I did, I've had an open courtyard with
Speaker 4: no roof over it. As I was walking to the
Speaker 4: front door, and I noticed three spaceships fly by from
Speaker 4: the north to the south, and you know, you're immediately startled.
Speaker 4: Then there's relief because they kept going and then one
Speaker 4: of them turns around and starts heading back towards you.
Speaker 4: So then panic comes right back. And I tried getting
Speaker 4: in my front door and I fell through the front
Speaker 4: you know, not I tripped going into the front door,
Speaker 4: and that the ship had landed in my driveway in
Speaker 4: front of the police car the one approach through the courtyard.
Speaker 4: I had pulled my gun in fear, and he simply says, well,
Speaker 4: you're gonna be like that, and he turned around and
Speaker 4: started walking towards the ship, and I put my gun
Speaker 4: away and chased after him, basically saying.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm apologetic because then you remember, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: it was when they come you don't remember.
Speaker 4: But there were that we had. There were two other
Speaker 4: police officers in my department who took photographs of UFOs.
Speaker 1: One on duty.
Speaker 4: And there was another.
Speaker 1: Call that I'm aware of that a.
Speaker 4: Woman reported a UFO landing in her backyard in our city.
Speaker 4: And we recently met somebody online who lives right near
Speaker 4: us who claimed contact as well, and he lived less than.
Speaker 1: A mile from our home. Yeah, and also there were
Speaker 1: police incidents that they would never write a report on,
Speaker 1: but they tell each other.
Speaker 4: And there were a couple of former MPs or one
Speaker 4: MP anyway who had He didn't see them themselves, but
Speaker 4: he responded to UFO calls when he was assigned to
Speaker 4: somewhere in Europe. It might have been Germany, but most
Speaker 4: of the police department would laugh it off. No way,
Speaker 4: can we take UFO seriously? Maybe ten percent did, but
Speaker 4: you know they were so good and what they can
Speaker 4: manipulate your brain so well? If they could make us
Speaker 4: forget most of that and go through a good portion
Speaker 4: anyway of our lives not remembering this, how many other
Speaker 4: people are they doing this too? There's plenty of people
Speaker 4: out there who have no idea there being abducted, yet
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 1: We were two of them. And if it wasn't for
Speaker 1: this one incident, I can't stress it was. It changed
Speaker 1: our lives. It wasn't for that, we wouldn't be talking
Speaker 1: to you or anyone about it. I would I would
Speaker 1: go to my grave thinking the most exciting thing I
Speaker 1: did was travel around following the grateful dead, which was great.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't know, and that makes you angry, It
Speaker 1: makes you feel violated and used. But I'm glad I
Speaker 1: do know. Someone asked us. If you could forget again
Speaker 1: and never know this happened to you, would you thinking
Speaker 1: about it? I have to say no, I would not.
Speaker 1: Knowledge is power. I want to know the truth about
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if I had the choice, I wish it
Speaker 4: had never happened to us in the first place. Life
Speaker 4: would be a lot simpler. But you know, it has happened,
Speaker 4: and I think I've handled it better than I think
Speaker 4: most people would. I think partially because they treated me
Speaker 4: so well as a kid. They really did. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of instances where they did things for me better
Speaker 4: of fact, so very specific things for my benefit.
Speaker 2: Interesting stuff, guys, Thank you for sharing that great well.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you for giving us so much
Speaker 1: time and you what a wonderful podcast you have. We're
Speaker 1: going to continue to listen, even to the ones we're
Speaker 1: not on, but thank you for letting us get out there.
Speaker 2: And you know, no problem, ris Sean, I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you for coming on and sharing all that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Nick, Well, thanks for having me talk to
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 2: Keeping contact all right, take care and we will speak soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks well, that is all for this episode. Keep updated
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Speaker 2: And if you have an encounter that you'd like to
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Speaker 2: to me via the contact page on my website UFO
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Chris
Speaker 2: and Sean for sharing tonight, and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 2: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 2: and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,