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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a man like this, man letting butterfly flapping and wing.

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<v Speaker 1>They've down in a force.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it gonna cause the tree fall, letting five thousand

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<v Speaker 2>miles away.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, nobody see, Nobody else might see.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need no man, don't It's like you followed

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<v Speaker 2>another story.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got bacted like that. That's when man got

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<v Speaker 1>blackly not on the panel. Man, you don't no matter

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<v Speaker 1>man anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a war of belief to theological conflict. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course there is an explicitly religious element to this,

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<v Speaker 2>what faith you follow, But also at a very basic level,

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<v Speaker 2>this contest is not over compatible worldviews. We are not

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<v Speaker 2>arguing about two different interpretations of the same precepts or

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<v Speaker 2>set of facts. We are arguing incompatible worldviews. This is

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<v Speaker 2>existential capital p politics. One will win, one will lose.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a zero sum game. Secularism is a lie. Every

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<v Speaker 2>system is ultimately based on unprovable assertions, unprovable facts, a

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<v Speaker 2>reality claim for which there is no scientific explanation. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately is based on faith. That's why this is ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>a religious conflict. Our enemies understand this. They understand the

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<v Speaker 2>importance of narrative. It's why they're always attacking our figures.

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<v Speaker 2>Why they burn Roberty, Lee and Effigy quite literally, because

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<v Speaker 2>he is a symbol of a previous order, a different god,

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<v Speaker 2>a different instantiation of the same countries, previous civic religion,

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<v Speaker 2>ruling order, if you will, Same reason they're going after Jefferson,

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<v Speaker 2>same reason they're going after all the greats of European history,

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<v Speaker 2>because they understand that those figures are more than simply

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<v Speaker 2>men in history, they are also symbols. They're equally as

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<v Speaker 2>strident when it comes to defending their own articles of faith.

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, you've no doubt seen the number of guys

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<v Speaker 2>thrown in jail for doing burnouts on rainbow crosswalks. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not really about public disorder, it's about blasphemy. And then

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the terms they throw at us, racist,

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<v Speaker 2>holocaust denier, homophobe, what these really are or other ways

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<v Speaker 2>to say heretic, you have blasphemed my God, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will burn you at the stake. Those terms, those invectives

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<v Speaker 2>are particularly interesting to me because sure they function in

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<v Speaker 2>that context as an outgroup marker, but also as a

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<v Speaker 2>thought terminating device. They end any inquiry, Oh I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to know any more about that, because the only

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<v Speaker 2>people who do, the only people who have research, the

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<v Speaker 2>only people who dissent are heretics. It's very easy to

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<v Speaker 2>point out the system of thought control in the medieval

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic Church, for example. Voltaire made sort of a career

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<v Speaker 2>out of this. But it's very difficult when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to progressive politics. Not difficult for us, but difficult for them.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very uncomfortable with it because they have this internal

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<v Speaker 2>self conception as the eternal rebel, as the guy standing

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<v Speaker 2>up to authority, speaking truth to power. But just because

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<v Speaker 2>they're uncomfortable with it doesn't mean that they will stop

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<v Speaker 2>wielding power.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that there's something important when we look at

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<v Speaker 2>how these sort of civic state religions function, to say

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a moment in which the God dies.

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<v Speaker 2>When you perform the old rites and nothing happens. You

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<v Speaker 2>sacrifice the bull and the harvest is bad. You throw

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<v Speaker 2>a version into a sinkhole covered in jade jewelry, and well,

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough she drowns, But then the Spanish show up.

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<v Speaker 2>The religion loses its votive force, it loses its sacred,

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<v Speaker 2>sacral nature. Once you have profaned the Holy of holies.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you have thrown a spear at the Odin tree

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<v Speaker 2>and you have it been struck, dumb, struck down, well,

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<v Speaker 2>doubt begins to build. And I think that that is

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<v Speaker 2>the moment we find ourselves in the sacred figures of

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<v Speaker 2>the progressive state religion are losing their luster, some because

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<v Speaker 2>they've fallen out of fashion. MLK, for example, it's relatively

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<v Speaker 2>safe to criticize him because the only people who still

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<v Speaker 2>cared about him were by and large American conservatives. We've

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<v Speaker 2>seen something similar happen to George Floyd. Peace be upon him,

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of religious figure of yester year. But the

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<v Speaker 2>real vitriol is reserved for those who attack the real

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<v Speaker 2>foundations of the empire, the narrative around World War Two.

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<v Speaker 2>Just look at what happened to my friend Daryl Cooper,

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<v Speaker 2>look at what happened to Tucker Carlson, merely through association

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<v Speaker 2>with Daryl Cooper. They were cast out, they were burnt

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<v Speaker 2>at the stake socially, if not thankfully literally. And our

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<v Speaker 2>enemies understand that they're in a precarious position. It's why

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<v Speaker 2>they are frantically trying to regain narrative control. You may

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<v Speaker 2>remember after twenty sixteen, when they sort of realized that

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<v Speaker 2>there was something outside of their ideological control, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>the rise of the narrative around fake news, misinformation, disinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course conspiracy theories. And while sure there are lies,

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<v Speaker 2>there are falsehoods spread on social media as well as

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<v Speaker 2>through traditional media for very much aware of that. What

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<v Speaker 2>this really is is another way to terminate thought, to

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<v Speaker 2>end the discussion, to say you were a heretic. Go away.

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<v Speaker 2>But when no one believes in that god anymore, of

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<v Speaker 2>course it doesn't work. Now they still have official legal,

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<v Speaker 2>legislative power. They can still ruin your life, deep bank,

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<v Speaker 2>you send the ADL after you to sue you into oblivion.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're slipping. They don't have the same extreme level

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<v Speaker 2>of control they until very recently enjoy it. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is why alternative discussions on World War II, nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>any civil rights era are increasing in popularity because the

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<v Speaker 2>veil has been pulled back. It's an apocalypse, if you will,

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<v Speaker 2>that the veil has been pulled away. Everything has been

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<v Speaker 2>made known. Okay, it's not perfect yet, it's not done.

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<v Speaker 2>But the very fact that I can have the conversations

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<v Speaker 2>I am having on YouTube and my friends and family

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<v Speaker 2>haven't totally cast me out as a heretic. Indicates that

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<v Speaker 2>culture is shifting slowly. And of course we understand politics

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<v Speaker 2>does not come from the bottom up, but it presents

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<v Speaker 2>a very real problem for them for their narrative control.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very interesting moment and part of the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I decided to become a professional. I decided to

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<v Speaker 2>cast myze, cast my lot in right, sort of voluntarily

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<v Speaker 2>make myself unemployable by associating my face right. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a real moment for optimism because we understand

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<v Speaker 2>change happens slowly and then all at once. That growth

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<v Speaker 2>from zero to ten percent is gradual, but ten to

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<v Speaker 2>ninety happens much much faster. And of course we're not

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<v Speaker 2>evangelicals about this. We're not looking for the magical fifty

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<v Speaker 2>plus one. We are looking for a few capable, meant

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<v Speaker 2>decision makers, the guys that actually wield power. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>we do not have that. We certainly don't have that yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's better than it's ever been. Our ideas have promulgated,

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<v Speaker 2>they are continuing to promulgate because they explain reality. Our God,

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<v Speaker 2>the new God. And I'm saying this small g this

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<v Speaker 2>is not sacrilege, can actually bring the ring. The system

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<v Speaker 2>of values has explanatory power and information advantage. So in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind they're kind of doomed here. Ultimately now they

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<v Speaker 2>can do a lot of damage between now and then. Fundamentally,

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<v Speaker 2>they are fighting against the basic rules of the universe.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're three hundred pounds eight percent body fat, you

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<v Speaker 2>can probably hold a beach ball under the water a

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<v Speaker 2>lot longer than I can, but eventually it floats to

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<v Speaker 2>the surface, it comes back up. Entropy, at least in

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<v Speaker 2>that way, wins out over time. And this process of

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<v Speaker 2>cultural disintegration, while certainly creating very many real problems, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to deny that has also atrophied their ability

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<v Speaker 2>for social control. Look at medicine, look at politics, look

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<v Speaker 2>at entertainment. The central nodes occupy nowhere near the position

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<v Speaker 2>of prominence that they used to. And look, there are psyops.

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<v Speaker 2>There are different attempts to control this. But I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>if the horse has already bolted the gate is wide open.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a provocative thought that and it's why I keep

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<v Speaker 2>going back to these historical figures, why I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Crusades, Why I'm talking about Vietnam, why I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about World War Two. I'm talking about all of these

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<v Speaker 2>sacred miracles right the moment when the normal order was

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<v Speaker 2>suspended so that something special could happen. Power could make

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<v Speaker 2>itself felt because they depend on that ideological cohesion. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you and I, as reactionaries of some stripe, as

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<v Speaker 2>traditionalists with a capital T, occupy a very weird position.

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<v Speaker 2>We are at once building and destroying the left and

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<v Speaker 2>the right hand, if you will. It's a very bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>situation we find ourselves in. But simply there is nothing

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<v Speaker 2>else to do. We must both be subversive and also creative.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an venture at the very least, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>space for genuine agency to do many things at once.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exciting. Part of again, why I am optimistic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about further ado. Let's get into the episode. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fun one, a little bit different from what

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<v Speaker 2>I normally cover. You guys know where to find me Apple, Spotify, YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>I just garbled the last part of this, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>or I say keep your head up the I can't

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<v Speaker 2>last right, and that just came out all wrong. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>it's multiple times a day sometimes you goof so I

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<v Speaker 2>said it there, So when I don't say it later,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Joe Apwell, welcome to Jay Burdens Show.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, man, I'm just fine, Jay. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing excellent. I'm glad to have you on. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always fun when you have an interview show like mine,

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<v Speaker 2>because every few months or so, I have this internal

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<v Speaker 2>dialogue that I have spoken to everyone I could possibly

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<v Speaker 2>speak to, and then almost immediately someone asks, well, how

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<v Speaker 2>come you haven't spoken to X, Y or Z, And

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<v Speaker 2>immediately I'm like, oh, yeah, I completely forgot about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a conversation I've been wanting to have

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and I'm glad to finally get

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<v Speaker 2>you on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, my pleasure, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm familiar with your work, but my audience might

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<v Speaker 2>not be so if you could, could you just describe, well,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you and what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? I mean, I'm an author and that's fortunate because

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<v Speaker 1>being an author is something that you can be even

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not doing anything. Once you've written a few

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<v Speaker 1>books and you know, I'm probably best known for Caesar's Messiah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the best well selling book and was a

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<v Speaker 1>documentary that was you know, had ten million people view

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<v Speaker 1>it or more so. It was it was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>become a part of internet culture. And from there I

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<v Speaker 1>became more interested in doing discussions on you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>current political situation and have a show with Tim Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>which you've acted, well, you've been on with Tim, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're familiar with that. I'm a you know, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>does not believe in the sort of current presentation of history.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I really am quite the skeptic. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe in Jesus as a historical person. This is well

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<v Speaker 1>known from my books. I don't believe in Shakespeare. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've read my other works, I have skepticism there. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really sort of changed politically when after

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<v Speaker 1>nine one one, I hadn't you know, I hadn't really

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<v Speaker 1>studied the conspiratorial world in terms of you know, current

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<v Speaker 1>politics until then. And you know, I spent quite a

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<v Speaker 1>entire understanding we have of you know, the media and

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. And you know, I should have been

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<v Speaker 1>more skeptical based on my work in Caesar's Messiah, because

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had seen how historical narrative could be

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<v Speaker 1>so beneficial to mankind. But then you see how the

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<v Speaker 1>feudal system is generated, you know, out of the trust

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<v Speaker 1>to the leaders of the religion, and so the next thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're in a slave state. So because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>I should have been more skeptical. But following my understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, of September eleventh, two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>I became just you know, more focused on how we

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<v Speaker 1>are controlled and who controls us. And it's funny. I

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, place where there's good intellectual freedom, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have an article coming out within two weeks on

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<v Speaker 1>the meaning of September eleventh. It's strange. It's almost full

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<v Speaker 1>the conspiratorial world, where you know, I'm sort of explaining

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<v Speaker 1>the symbolism of it which has not really been understood

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. So it's a it's just a way.

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<v Speaker 1>The article is just a way to help people understand

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<v Speaker 1>to take toward it, particularly towards the historical you know,

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<v Speaker 1>events that were given that are are meant to model us,

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<v Speaker 1>to shape us. I mean, like the Holocaust, like nine

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<v Speaker 1>to one one, or you know, the the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>so the public in general needs to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, historical claim that comes our way. We

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<v Speaker 1>just can't at this point, we really can't accept anything

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<v Speaker 1>on face value. The media, mainstream, dominant media is under

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<v Speaker 1>the control of the oligarchs, and the history that they

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<v Speaker 1>give us is literally completely corrupt. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>tip to stern designed to produce the inability to think.

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<v Speaker 1>So the response at this point, particularly with more and

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<v Speaker 1>is more and more effective. So for us to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>to say, we have to be more skeptical and more

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm particularly interested in nine to eleven as sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a marker in the growing number of people who

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<v Speaker 2>aren't on the reservation, so to speak. Obviously, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even earlier into the nineties, you have you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>militia movement, a lot of the kind of very early

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right wing dissidents, and for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that was very successfully relegated to anti government extremism,

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<v Speaker 2>pushed out kind of socially signaled against. And for many

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<v Speaker 2>people who are ten to fifteen years older than me,

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<v Speaker 2>the moment they left the reservation was nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lie too great to count it. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind, I am an older member of Generation Z.

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<v Speaker 2>When people talk about, okay, what's the dividing line, you

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<v Speaker 2>know XYZ, you know date of birth, and sure, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's helpful, but really, in my mind is it

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<v Speaker 2>Can you remember nine to eleven or note? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>something that entered into your conscious mind. I was alive

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<v Speaker 2>for it, but I was so young. I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in diapers at the time. It didn't make an effect.

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<v Speaker 2>And that kind of dramatic before or after, right that

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<v Speaker 2>both the from what I've heard, the sort of I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you could say mass panic, right that happened afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>but also the same sort of top down narrative control

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<v Speaker 2>we saw during the pandemic, which is for my generation,

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<v Speaker 2>the moment where many left the reservation. But you see

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<v Speaker 2>this pattern again and again and again. Of some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of crisis, a moral consensus forms around that, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least there's an attempt to form a moral consensus, to

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<v Speaker 2>push political ideas to get people alongside with a change

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<v Speaker 2>to their life. And so I'm curious, as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>lived through it, what was that moment of crisis, like

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<v Speaker 2>what was being pushed sort of behind the scenes, not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily the yellow ribbons and you know, the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like obvious kind of uh you know, talk radio angle.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm embarrassed that at the actual momary event, my

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<v Speaker 1>behavior was almost completely focused on investment, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at how to make money, buying stocks and companies

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<v Speaker 1>that would you know, realize advantages from what I could

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<v Speaker 1>see was going to be you know, long standing warfare.

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<v Speaker 1>This is you know, not a strong moral position. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sort of embarrassed to admit, but that was just what

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<v Speaker 1>my life was like at that time, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>how I looked at it. I didn't really uh even

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<v Speaker 1>become aware of, you know, sort of the truth or

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<v Speaker 1>music movement. Uh for several years. I was just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was Besides, I had been doing h uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>religious and Shakespearean textual criticism, and so nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the idea of of like studying something that

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<v Speaker 1>occurred in real life when I was doing so much

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<v Speaker 1>textual historical document analysis was it was hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to switch gears and uh and oddly, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>I did not understand nine one one in in a

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic sense. And this really hasn't happened unfortunately whatsoever until

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<v Speaker 1>until uh, you know, until even even until this point,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one reason I wrote the art this article

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<v Speaker 1>be coming out. I'll mention, you know, the analysis and

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<v Speaker 1>stopped me if it becomes, you know, too abstract. But

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<v Speaker 1>what what people, what I did not understand and what

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<v Speaker 1>was just lost completely is that nine one one was

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<v Speaker 1>a representation of Tisha above, which is a the Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>day of mourning, which celebrates the commemorates the destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>the temple. And this is uh, you know, the gives

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<v Speaker 1>you a complete understanding of the of the event. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people could really understand it if they

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand how how the symbolism for the day was created.

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<v Speaker 1>The Jewish Temple had been destroyed on two occasions, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was on the basically the same day both times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, once by the Babylonians and in five eighty

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<v Speaker 1>six BC, and then the Romans destroyed it in seventy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, five hundred years later. But according to the

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<v Speaker 1>historian Josephas, that occurred on the same day when the

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<v Speaker 1>Romans destroyed it. Now, this is obviously falsification of history.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just so improbable. And in fact, Josephus

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<v Speaker 1>even mentions that it wasn't accidental, it was something that

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<v Speaker 1>rebellion against Rome. So you can see that history is

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<v Speaker 1>being used here as propaganda. Nine to one one occurred

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<v Speaker 1>on two thousand and one because the basically the Judeo

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<v Speaker 1>Masonic oligarchs that had organized the event were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reverse the prophecies are fulfilled the prophecy in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that they wanted to of revelation. Revelation mentions these two

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand year periods, so that the date of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one was selected. And then, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're going to deliver an eye for an eye,

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<v Speaker 1>what really motivates these oligarchs was the destruction of the temple.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that it's the centerpiece of the Judeo Masonic

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, you know, the things that they most want

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve in the future would be to reverse the

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<v Speaker 1>defeat that they experienced in the first century. So they

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<v Speaker 1>chose that year two thousand and one, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>put the date as of the September eleventh, because it

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<v Speaker 1>represents nine one one, the tish Abov who occurs on

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<v Speaker 1>the on nine one one, even though of course in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hebrew calendar it's reversed, but in other terms of

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<v Speaker 1>month and day, but nine one one is the way

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<v Speaker 1>you can represent it. And that's why nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>was chosen for the date. You know, the World Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Center they were named that because they were again they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reverse the idea of revelations, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>destruction of world trade, which is a concept in as revelation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reveals this prophetic future. And and then just

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<v Speaker 1>to show how misunderstood the whole day was, you have

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<v Speaker 1>the a newscaster talking about the collapse of the Solomon

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<v Speaker 1>Building actually uses the expression the Solomon Building collapse but

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<v Speaker 1>nine one But the Solomon Building, you know, is literally

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<v Speaker 1>erect and back of her while she's making the statement.

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<v Speaker 1>So the point is is that this is just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a witticism of you know, that the Solomon Buildings collapse,

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<v Speaker 1>that the that the date is really you know, referring to,

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<v Speaker 1>and the event is really relating to, was the original

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<v Speaker 1>collapse of the Solomon Building, which was back two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. This is just how they how they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of organize their their symbolism. And I know this

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<v Speaker 1>is I have a feeling that some people will have

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<v Speaker 1>a hard time following my logic here. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of see it in its totality to

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<v Speaker 1>really make sense of it, I suppose. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>just how they they shape our world. Nine one one

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<v Speaker 1>was a symbolic event. It was basically to usher in

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<v Speaker 1>it would could be called a Judeo Masonic period of history.

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<v Speaker 1>The two thousand years of Christian history were now ending,

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<v Speaker 1>and the they were having, you know, they were linking

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<v Speaker 1>to the events that brought about the Christian era with

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<v Speaker 1>their symbolism nine one one, the collapse of the Solomon Building.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, bear in mind that George Bush Senior,

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<v Speaker 1>eleven years to the day, had actually talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>and this is you know, they'd like to this something

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<v Speaker 1>that they enjoyed doing. George H. W. Bush on September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety he gave his family speech, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think people have really understood. But what he said was

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<v Speaker 1>is that you know, we stand on this extraordinary moment

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<v Speaker 1>with a new world order will emerge and the rule

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<v Speaker 1>of law will supplant the rule of the jungle. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this is the rule of law he's talking about, is

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the Noahide law, and in the rule

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<v Speaker 1>of the jungle is, in his opinion, sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian history. And there israel malevolence in what he's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>in the sense that he certainly knows that there's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be mass slaughter on the on the day that

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<v Speaker 1>he's envisioning with his speech, you know, his New World

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<v Speaker 1>Order speech on September eleventh, and these things. When you know, Jay,

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing is that any one of these these

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<v Speaker 1>events and these assertions can be seen as circumstantial. It's

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<v Speaker 1>easy to think of it argue it that way. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is you need to look at all of these

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<v Speaker 1>the George HW's New World Order speech on September eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the more or less obvious Temple in Solomon

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<v Speaker 1>building symbolism in two thousand and one. It is just

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<v Speaker 1>not really clear minded to not see that they are

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<v Speaker 1>all related and that this is basically regarding a new

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<v Speaker 1>world order that they are heralding with the with the

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<v Speaker 1>destruction of the World Trade Center, I mean, even Building seven,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the other name for the final building. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this is because seven is the number that this

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<v Speaker 1>group uses for the conclusion. It's all, you know, like

420
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<v Speaker 1>the world was created in seven days in the Torah,

421
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<v Speaker 1>the different uses of the number of seven for conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is why it was the last building

423
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<v Speaker 1>brought down. The whole thing was just this grotesque orchestrated

424
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<v Speaker 1>symbolic carnage that pleases these individuals, but obviously the rest

425
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<v Speaker 1>of us must suffer with. And you know, whereas at

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<v Speaker 1>one point people could say, well, how would anyone be

427
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<v Speaker 1>so evil? Why how could they possibly do this? But

428
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<v Speaker 1>now with you know, when we have like the overt

429
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<v Speaker 1>Gaza genocide, and particularly with the Epstein files, where people

430
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<v Speaker 1>can actually see the sort of complete absence of any

431
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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of humanity. I mean, these people think

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<v Speaker 1>that they are gods, they can do whatever they please,

433
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<v Speaker 1>there's no moral restraint on them whatsoever. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I started, you know, kind of making claims that

435
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<v Speaker 1>these things were occurring like twenty years ago, I started

436
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<v Speaker 1>to uncover them. You know, there was a lot of

437
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<v Speaker 1>office obviously, you know, it makes sense that people would

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<v Speaker 1>not see this as plausible. But now, you know, particularly

439
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<v Speaker 1>with the Epstein files, I mean, you can look inside

440
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<v Speaker 1>them and you can just see who who's actually involved

441
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<v Speaker 1>in what they're sort of moral restraints or lack of

442
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<v Speaker 1>them they are. And so when we come to September eleventh,

443
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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, it isn't enough to think, well,

444
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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of an inside job. I mean, that doesn't

445
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<v Speaker 1>really take you anywhere. You need to put the time

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<v Speaker 1>in to really understand the event. And I'm glad I

447
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<v Speaker 1>can bring out this article on the symbolism because I

448
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<v Speaker 1>think that'll help people start to use it and with

449
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<v Speaker 1>the actual with the analytics strength that understanding the event has,

450
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<v Speaker 1>so you can move forward and then start to see

451
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>things like well, you know, the Gaza genocide and what's

452
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<v Speaker 1>revealed in the Epstein files are very logical. They are

453
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<v Speaker 1>something that we can and anticipate and in fact we

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine these things will be more common and get

455
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<v Speaker 1>even worse as we go forward if we don't stop them.

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<v Speaker 2>So, when we're talking about nine to eleven Trutherism, whatever

457
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<v Speaker 2>you want to call it, no doubt some in the audience,

458
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<v Speaker 2>their mind goes to holograms, the kind of real lizard

459
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<v Speaker 2>people kook stuff. And what I have seen happen now

460
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<v Speaker 2>several times in my life is that when there is

461
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<v Speaker 2>a moment of narrative dissonance, there's a certain number of

462
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<v Speaker 2>people wavering. They don't necessarily buy, at least initially, the

463
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<v Speaker 2>story that there will oftentimes be a limited hangout, a

464
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<v Speaker 2>deliberately stupid version of the story, amplified seemingly in a

465
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<v Speaker 2>deliberate ploy to say, oh, if you don't believe the

466
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<v Speaker 2>government line, you must believe this clearly pants on hand

467
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<v Speaker 2>retarded truther version of it. Is that something you've noticed

468
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<v Speaker 2>as well, that there seems to be a desire to

469
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<v Speaker 2>create a tar baby sort of buy association with anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who doesn't follow the government line.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there is a limited hangout is a

472
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<v Speaker 1>good description, because people really just don't have the psychological

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<v Speaker 1>capacity to move out of their thought world. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in an understand. People would like to believe they

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<v Speaker 1>have an understanding of their history, right, and this is

476
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<v Speaker 1>what you know, they have confidence and they're able to

477
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<v Speaker 1>go around in their world with this understanding of their history.

478
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<v Speaker 1>It's important to them. Unfortunately it's false, just is flatly incorrect,

479
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<v Speaker 1>and so something like nine to one one has to

480
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<v Speaker 1>be put into a particular sort of format for them

481
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<v Speaker 1>to bring it into their mind and accept it, because

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<v Speaker 1>to really accept the totality of the event and have

483
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<v Speaker 1>an honest understanding of what this means, it's just too

484
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<v Speaker 1>great of a sort of psychological movement. Because if you know,

485
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<v Speaker 1>if nine to one one was basically an inside job,

486
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<v Speaker 1>which is the expression that was used, you know, when

487
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<v Speaker 1>it was first criticized, Well, that means that the media

488
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<v Speaker 1>is an inside job, right. I mean you couldn't put

489
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<v Speaker 1>something on like this without having control over the media.

490
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<v Speaker 1>And it means that the government is an inside job,

491
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<v Speaker 1>because you couldn't do this if you didn't have control

492
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<v Speaker 1>over you know, the whole political system. Well, that means

493
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<v Speaker 1>that the world that if you accept those things that

494
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<v Speaker 1>the media is controlled in false and that the government

495
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>is also controlled in false, well that means your understanding

496
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<v Speaker 1>of reality is false, and so it's just too great

497
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<v Speaker 1>of a movement at one time. Someone cannot go from

498
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<v Speaker 1>believing in sort of the American you know, historical beneficial

499
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<v Speaker 1>role to seeing nine one one for what it was

500
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<v Speaker 1>in one moment. It's just it's just too great a

501
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<v Speaker 1>leave and so there has to be this way station.

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<v Speaker 1>There has to be you know sort of well maybe

503
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<v Speaker 1>it was done because of you know, there was there.

504
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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to create a distraction from money being stolen,

505
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<v Speaker 1>you know, or just whatever explanation they want to give.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is what just as you say that there

507
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<v Speaker 1>is always this sort of will when when you come

508
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<v Speaker 1>to these moments, you know, where you really see the

509
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<v Speaker 1>historical narrative, some major part of it is being fault.

510
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<v Speaker 1>It's just not something that people can accept whole cloth.

511
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<v Speaker 1>So they're going to have a way station. And that's

512
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<v Speaker 1>why there which is which is fine. I mean, there's

513
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<v Speaker 1>nothing wrong with that. That's actually some movement. It's it's

514
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<v Speaker 1>a hard thing, and it's one of the reasons why,

515
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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's so important now that you and people

516
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<v Speaker 1>like you are putting on these kinds of podcasts because

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<v Speaker 1>these are the ways it's having discussions like the ones

518
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<v Speaker 1>that you have that enable people to sort of have

519
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<v Speaker 1>the kind of intellectual space to be able to really

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<v Speaker 1>make movement, make some moat, you know, take some new

521
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<v Speaker 1>analytic steps to really understanding the world as it is,

522
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<v Speaker 1>because they that it's when they hear all so many

523
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>people discussing it openly, all of the different ways that

524
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, our historical, historical narrative can be criticized and

525
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<v Speaker 1>to see how strong the analysis actually is, that they

526
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<v Speaker 1>can sort of get the psychological capacity to move forward themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, a good example of this is the Holocaust,

528
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>which was you know, so powerful and just so impossible

529
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<v Speaker 1>to to critique objectively because of fear of this, you know,

530
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<v Speaker 1>charge of Holocaust denial, anti semitism. But now if you

531
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<v Speaker 1>look at the statistics concerning it, you'll see that the

532
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>boomer my generation still to a large extent, cannot, you know,

533
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<v Speaker 1>criticize the the the events that make up the Holocaust subjectively.

534
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<v Speaker 1>But the younger generation, because they've been they've been through

535
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<v Speaker 1>the process so many times of listening to shows like

536
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 1>yours that they can, you know, consider it objectively, and

537
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 1>they're the event is becoming less and less powerful in

538
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<v Speaker 1>terms of social control and more and more, you know,

539
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<v Speaker 1>the subject of skepticism. So this is this is why

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you see that way station, it isn't

541
00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, you shouldn't be critical of these people. You

542
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>should have recognize the psychological issue that they're dealing with

543
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>as they move toward, you know, more clear understanding of

544
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>something like nine to one one, and then recognize the

545
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.519
<v Speaker 1>power that all of the podcaster has have in a

546
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>general sense, it's just to be able to talk about

547
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.440
<v Speaker 1>these things honestly and openly over and over again. That

548
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 1>enables people to start moving into a more powerful analytic position.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are several things there. One you're completely and

550
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 2>totally correct. One of my favorite sort of while away

551
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<v Speaker 2>the hours pastimes is to go to the forums on

552
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<v Speaker 2>Reddit for teachers, and they have these sort of message

553
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<v Speaker 2>boards so they can complain one to another. And of course,

554
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<v Speaker 2>if they are on Reddit, quite a progressive social media app,

555
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and they are public school teachers, you know their politics.

556
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And there are dozens, if not hundreds of these despairing

557
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<v Speaker 2>posts of people saying, I can't believe the kids these days.

558
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I tried to talk about XYZ historical event, and the

559
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<v Speaker 2>kids all started laughing at me. A famous one where

560
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<v Speaker 2>a teacher says at a conversation with a seven year

561
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<v Speaker 2>old and he was shocked to learn that nine to

562
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<v Speaker 2>eleven was real. He thought it was a joke, and so, okay,

563
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>that's stupid. You know, that's a kid who's not even

564
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<v Speaker 2>out of elementary school. That's not necessarily going to change

565
00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the world. But it shows that that event has moved

566
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<v Speaker 2>from being sacred sort of an article of faith that

567
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>you can't touch. It's like the Holy of Holies to history, Joe,

568
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>would be absurd if you and I were sitting down

569
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<v Speaker 2>at a bar and I said, oh, yeah, you know,

570
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<v Speaker 2>hr at work discovered my opinion on the War of

571
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:29.159
<v Speaker 2>the Roses, and I got fired, Right, it wouldn't make

572
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 2>any sense. That's fully and totally within the realm of

573
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<v Speaker 2>the academic And I think that we're watching that happen

574
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to nine to eleven and also to the Holocaust. It's

575
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<v Speaker 2>moving out of the sort of civic state religion into

576
00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>being just normal history. And this is something that's happened

577
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<v Speaker 2>a number of times. One of my favorite authors, Thomas Carlyle,

578
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>he did this for Cromwell somewhat understandably after the restoration.

579
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Cromwell was basically Satan Hitler and Genghis Khan rapped together.

580
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<v Speaker 2>You can sort of understand why it was something that

581
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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't talk about. Carlisle writes a book where he

582
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>has sort of a biographical sketch of Cromwell and he

583
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 2>returns to history, he becomes less than this sort of

584
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<v Speaker 2>like homunculous social monster of all evil wrap together. And

585
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<v Speaker 2>I think a big part of this, and this is

586
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<v Speaker 2>both a pro and a con depending on how you

587
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.679
<v Speaker 2>look at it, is that American culture is completely and

588
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>totally fracturing the era of one unified pop culture where

589
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 2>everyone is tuned into you know, even something like MTV

590
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 2>is gone. Some of that's ethnic, you know, there are

591
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 2>fewer and fewer Americans per se. But that has also

592
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>enabled a very very quick erosion of these social narratives

593
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<v Speaker 2>of control because people aren't unified or congregated around certain

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<v Speaker 2>media figures. If you see what I'm getting at there.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe, absolutely, yeah, And that's this little really is the

596
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:06.119
<v Speaker 1>critical historical process that we need to you know, accelerate.

597
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I would point out that you know, terms like conspiracy theorist,

598
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>holocaust denial, trutherer, these these are invented and are promoted

599
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:23.599
<v Speaker 1>by the oligarchs because they well they create an ad

600
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>hominine power against analysis. Right, you you bring up say

601
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<v Speaker 1>you're just as an example, say you're you're critical of

602
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<v Speaker 1>the amount of political power a small minority of Americans

603
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:43.039
<v Speaker 1>who are Jewish have in our Congress right recent Massy defeat,

604
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<v Speaker 1>you know, the amount of money that AIPAC put against him.

605
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<v Speaker 1>So if you bring this up as an issue that

606
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<v Speaker 1>there is a kind of religious or ethnic component to

607
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, this this power, then the response is, well,

608
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<v Speaker 1>that's anti semitism. And so if the power of the

609
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<v Speaker 1>phrase is sufficient, it stops the analysis and the process

610
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<v Speaker 1>you're describing will be successful or is moving toward, you know,

611
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<v Speaker 1>opening up the process when instead of succumbing immediately just

612
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<v Speaker 1>automatically to you know, the humiliation of being called an

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<v Speaker 1>anti semi the person who's making you know, this concern

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<v Speaker 1>about the lack of the fair democratic process to have

615
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<v Speaker 1>such a small group with so much political power. If

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<v Speaker 1>that person says, well, you know, let's continue to discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're saying that I am having this position because

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<v Speaker 1>there is a mental problem, there's a racism. You know

619
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<v Speaker 1>that I am confused, and my thinking is weak because

620
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<v Speaker 1>I am being affected by this emotional problem that I have,

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<v Speaker 1>this race, this hatred of Jews, okay, which which is

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<v Speaker 1>anti semitism. But there are now the the the power

623
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<v Speaker 1>cultural power of the expression is diminished enough that an

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<v Speaker 1>individual very often will go, you know, I don't think

625
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<v Speaker 1>I'm crazy. I want to continue to discussion. I'd like

626
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<v Speaker 1>to I want to have more explanation of is this

627
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<v Speaker 1>fair in terms of democracy or the kind of money

628
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<v Speaker 1>that was spent to defeat Massey right, coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>I pack and coming from other Jewish donors who are

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<v Speaker 1>have this narrow, self centered, uh you know, desire, and

631
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<v Speaker 1>that all the rest of us then have to accept,

632
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, this political consequence. So the the process is

633
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<v Speaker 1>in motion and if people want to accelerate it. When ever,

634
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<v Speaker 1>the terms that have been used to like end analysis

635
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<v Speaker 1>are brought up, you know, and they're well known, the

636
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.320
<v Speaker 1>truth or anti semitism, conspiracy theorists, you know, there's others,

637
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>is to say, well, you know, I don't think that

638
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<v Speaker 1>your assertion, which which is what you're doing with these expressions,

639
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<v Speaker 1>that there is some kind of mental problem that I

640
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>am suffering from, is correct frankly, I would like to

641
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<v Speaker 1>continue the discussion. So this is really what we need

642
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to do, is we just have to gently demand that

643
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<v Speaker 1>the discussion continue and that the assertions are evaluated objectively.

644
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<v Speaker 1>And we aren't. We aren't stopped in the process by

645
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<v Speaker 1>the terms which frankly were invented for the purpose of

646
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:55.079
<v Speaker 1>ending analysis. And I just think it's going on. The

647
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:59.079
<v Speaker 1>process is going on very fine at this point, you know,

648
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.159
<v Speaker 1>because I'm like you, I get quite a bit of

649
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>information and emails and people you know, who are communicating

650
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to me about these ideas. I can see it. I

651
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<v Speaker 1>can actually see the momentum that is occurring within the

652
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>younger generation. They are more and more or less willing

653
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<v Speaker 1>to just you know, have the charge leveled against them

654
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 1>of you know, psychological problem and then stop the process.

655
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<v Speaker 1>They are becoming more aggressive about no, no, we have

656
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<v Speaker 1>to continue the discussion. I know you think are wished

657
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<v Speaker 1>to think that I have some kind of mental problem

658
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>that makes me think that it's undemocratic to have forty

659
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 1>million dollars spent in the congressional district by people who

660
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.400
<v Speaker 1>don't even live in the in the congressional area to

661
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>defeat someone just because he was he's been critical of Israel,

662
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>or he brought out the Epstein files. I want to

663
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<v Speaker 1>continue the discussion. This is what we need to do.

664
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<v Speaker 1>We need to continue to discussion. And again I will

665
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>harp on this as many times as I can. This

666
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<v Speaker 1>is why the shows like the one you put on

667
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 1>are so important, even they are just geometrically important. I mean,

668
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:22.519
<v Speaker 1>they will expand and have benefit one hundred times more

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<v Speaker 1>than just the audience that you're reaching, you know at

670
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<v Speaker 1>any one moment, because the people who hear your discussions,

671
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<v Speaker 1>they become freer to have other discussions, and other discussions

672
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>follow from them. You see what I mean. It's just

673
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<v Speaker 1>this is really the power that we're seeing. They are

674
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<v Speaker 1>they're shutting down more and more of the podcast, but

675
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 1>it isn't working because there are just more and more

676
00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:51.159
<v Speaker 1>people who are springing up with and using the internet

677
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 1>in the correct way. So you know, you're to be praised,

678
00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and you know, hopefully your audience will will take the

679
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>effect that you're trying to create and then use it

680
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<v Speaker 1>in their own lives and have more discussions with more

681
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 1>people and we can start moving forward. I'll just you know,

682
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<v Speaker 1>finally I'll conclude the rant with the If we can get,

683
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<v Speaker 1>by my estimation, like just ten percent of the population

684
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<v Speaker 1>to really understand your discussions, ten percent, you couldn't have

685
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.519
<v Speaker 1>the kind of political process we do now. It would

686
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.920
<v Speaker 1>come to a stop. They couldn't do things like the

687
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Iran War because the population would be would be tipped

688
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<v Speaker 1>in another direction, and they couldn't you know, put in place,

689
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<v Speaker 1>you know, people like Cruise or Ted Schumer, things like

690
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<v Speaker 1>there would be enough of like a tipping of like

691
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<v Speaker 1>five to ten percent would would make it impossible to

692
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<v Speaker 1>elect people like that in the whole political system as

693
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:54.679
<v Speaker 1>we experience, it would come to an end. So we

694
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<v Speaker 1>just have to keep going. I think we'll start seeing

695
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<v Speaker 1>good political effects out of the process, says probably in

696
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<v Speaker 1>ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>So a couple of things there. One to the audience.

698
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<v Speaker 2>You know, you may assume that I brought Joe on

699
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<v Speaker 2>because he's interesting, you know, he's a body of work.

700
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 2>It was actually I'm just paying him under the table

701
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 2>to say nice things about me. That's the whole reason here.

702
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah.

703
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, In all seriousness, I've done a lot of reading

704
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<v Speaker 2>of the kind of French New Left thinkers of the

705
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 2>mid twentieth century, not because I particularly enjoy them or

706
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 2>think that they have good ideas, But it's useful to

707
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 2>understand what your enemies think, right, A lot of this

708
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff is foundational to them. And like I said, there's

709
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 2>not a lot that I've taken away from figures like

710
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Fuco that I thought was particularly profound or worth implementing.

711
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>But Madness and Civilization is a really great book because

712
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:56.599
<v Speaker 2>what he does is he talks about how insanity is

713
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>weaponized by the state. For instance, you know, you have

714
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>a samples in Russia of dissonance being declared insane shuffled

715
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 2>off into mental asylums. And of course his argument was,

716
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.880
<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what we've done to pedophiles like him,

717
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, bizarre sexual minorities. That's the same process. We

718
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<v Speaker 2>can disagree with that analysis and say that process of

719
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.960
<v Speaker 2>treating dissent as it is the result of a mental failing,

720
00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 2>a medical condition that needs to be corrected. Well, I

721
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>mean that's one we've seen over and over and over again. Right,

722
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned the point, right, Even the term anti semitism

723
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 2>a better one, perhaps homophobia. The idea that your you know,

724
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 2>opinion on you know, sexual politics. If you have the

725
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>wrong one, well then you have a phobia like hydrophobia,

726
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 2>like you have rabis. Right, your political opinion has become

727
00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:55.360
<v Speaker 2>a medical diagnosis. And look, a lot of the kind

728
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>of alternative health sphere is pretty out there. It's pretty weird.

729
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Not all the ideas are correct, but I think it

730
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<v Speaker 2>is an interesting sign of people rejecting that system of control.

731
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<v Speaker 2>And look, okay, fair enough, a lot of people aren't

732
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<v Speaker 2>necessarily looking at it in explicitly political terms, but we

733
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.159
<v Speaker 2>are seeing a widespread rejection of that system of control.

734
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 2>COVID did a great job of delegitimizing it. And to

735
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 2>your point about percentages, there's a really interesting and I

736
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>don't remember the name for this law. Stormy who will

737
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:33.679
<v Speaker 2>probably be listening to this will shout at me for

738
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:37.440
<v Speaker 2>not remembering this, but that sort of models how a

739
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.440
<v Speaker 2>technology or idea grows that at the very kind of

740
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.760
<v Speaker 2>narrow end of the wedge, you have early adopters, right,

741
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the real kind of out there folks, the witches that

742
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 2>get burnt, you know, the people who pay a very

743
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.480
<v Speaker 2>high cost for an information advantage. And that slowly grows

744
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 2>to a tipping point as people who were ahead of

745
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the curve maybe not that much, start to pick up

746
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 2>on idea, and then once it hits, depending on who

747
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.599
<v Speaker 2>you ask, ten to fifteen percent, it goes viral. You

748
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>see this with technology. I distinctly remember the first person

749
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw with a smartphone that was a big deal.

750
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<v Speaker 2>A year later, everyone has them, right. It quickly grows

751
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and we can use anti semitism as a rough proxy

752
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<v Speaker 2>for not trusting the government. Put scare quotes around anti semitism.

753
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<v Speaker 2>I realize that means very different things to you and

754
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 2>to Randy Fines, but whatever, that sort of collection of

755
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.920
<v Speaker 2>ideas that has for people my age to a little

756
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 2>bit younger, effectively become synonymous with sincerity, become synonymous with

757
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.760
<v Speaker 2>not being a part of the machine, to the point

758
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>where you know, those sort of jokes are ubiquitous, and okay,

759
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>does the guy making fun of his friend for being

760
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 2>late to pay his beer tab and calling him rabbi

761
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah? Is that a well formed political idea? No,

762
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:02.920
<v Speaker 2>there's not much more to it than that, you know,

763
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>or photoshopping a photo of you know, you kissing Benjamin

764
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Netmyahou or the wall or whatever like it's it's a joke,

765
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.280
<v Speaker 2>of course, but that is that process of normalization that

766
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<v Speaker 2>is that idea escaping containment. And so many of these things,

767
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:23.519
<v Speaker 2>whether it be APAK, whether it be the ADL or

768
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the uh oh ADL and the SBLC, so many of

769
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<v Speaker 2>those rackets, and they are rackets, depend on a sort

770
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<v Speaker 2>of social shield, depend on being seen as generally pro social.

771
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<v Speaker 2>Cars for Kids is another one, right, this, this incredibly

772
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<v Speaker 2>corrupt charity run out of California, where all of those

773
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<v Speaker 2>require a certain preponderance of marks, right guys to take

774
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<v Speaker 2>the bad end of the deal, and once that information

775
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 2>is out there, those don't work. And now look that

776
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't stop bombs raining down in Gaza, that doesn't stop

777
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>up you know, Raytheon or APAC from having a lot

778
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 2>of power and a lot of money. But it makes

779
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it exponentially harder to pull the con when people know

780
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you're pulling a con, you see what I'm getting at, Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, and they don't know that a con is

782
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.159
<v Speaker 1>being pulled if they're sort of have don't have the

783
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.559
<v Speaker 1>ability to be skeptical, which is really what was taken

784
00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 1>away from us by the fake historical narrative. That's what

785
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 1>they're designed to do, Yeah, I mean, they are designed

786
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 1>to have the population end up being controlled by the

787
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 1>blocking expression like anti semitism, climate denier, I mean, you know,

788
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<v Speaker 1>the homophobia. You know, the terms are in terms of

789
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:50.599
<v Speaker 1>the you know kind of logic are anti logic. They

790
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:53.400
<v Speaker 1>are they are designed to stop people from thinking and

791
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 1>designed to stop conversation. So it's they've had a good

792
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>run at it, and they have put in amazing amounts

793
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<v Speaker 1>of capacity to control. I mean, television was certainly, you know,

794
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 1>a step in the direction they wanted to take, you know,

795
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:15.239
<v Speaker 1>as oligarchs, and then with the idea of the personal

796
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>computer and then information technology and communications, they could go

797
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>beyond anything that anyone in nineteen forty five could even

798
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.440
<v Speaker 1>have imagined, you know, where everyone has an iPhone and

799
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<v Speaker 1>is staring at it in a restaurant rather than the

800
00:52:29.920 --> 00:52:33.440
<v Speaker 1>person who's sitting across the table from them. It's just

801
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.159
<v Speaker 1>horrendous what they've been able to achieve in terms of

802
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 1>social distortion with this device. But it also has a,

803
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, the capacity to be used against them, and

804
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<v Speaker 1>I think if you look at the statistics, it's it's

805
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.480
<v Speaker 1>working completely in the wrong direction. At this point, there's

806
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.400
<v Speaker 1>just too many people who are becoming skeptical because of

807
00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 1>the ability to share information. You know, well, yeah, it's

808
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<v Speaker 1>just it's happening and we're experiencing it well.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the deep irony, at least from my perspective,

810
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<v Speaker 2>is that sixty years ago, these were tools they loved

811
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<v Speaker 2>to use. They loved to recontextualize history, to break down

812
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 2>narrative because it was beneficial. It was a way, you know,

813
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to sort of worm in between the armor. And now

814
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<v Speaker 2>they're in charge, you know, they're at the top of

815
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the pile, and all of a sudden their tools are

816
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 2>being turned against them and they don't seem to have

817
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a defense for them. So you see this, I mean, honestly,

818
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 2>history is you know, great for this. You know, you

819
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<v Speaker 2>have the attack on sort of legacy American figures like

820
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Robert E. Lee, which is, you know, okay,

821
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<v Speaker 2>you can have your opinion on Lee one way or

822
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<v Speaker 2>the other, but he was a foundational part of the

823
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>American myth right, one of our sort of secular saints. Well,

824
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<v Speaker 2>it turns out that exact same process of delegitimizing him

825
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:01.119
<v Speaker 2>can be done to someone like George Floyd. George Floyd

826
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<v Speaker 2>is the punchline of more jokes now than almost anyone

827
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<v Speaker 2>else in history. He is fully entered into being a

828
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 2>comedic and derisive figure, and it's very funny to watch

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<v Speaker 2>them be forced to play defense. You can tell they're

830
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<v Speaker 2>not used to it at all. And again that's part

831
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 2>of that same historical process, right of that kind of

832
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.320
<v Speaker 2>their own ideas are sort of being eaten away. So, Joe,

833
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>as we come to this sort of the end of this,

834
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<v Speaker 2>the conclusion you mentioned that that ten years where you

835
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<v Speaker 2>think that we're going to start seeing political changes. You

836
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>mentioned you mentioned Massy, and I got a lot of

837
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 2>criticism for my commentary on Massy. Some of it justified,

838
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 2>some of it not. But one of in my mind,

839
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 2>I think the most interesting aspects of his race was

840
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the generational breakdown right where we saw his support shift.

841
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, if you would have tied me to

842
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a radiator, stuck a gun to my head and said

843
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>where do you think think the split will be? What age? Maybe,

844
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:05.079
<v Speaker 2>just being a little bit pessimistic, I would have said

845
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.760
<v Speaker 2>probably about forty Right, that seems to be at least

846
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 2>anecdotally what I'm seeing. What wasn't It was fifty five,

847
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 2>Which that's dramatic because that means their margins are much

848
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:20.679
<v Speaker 2>thinner than even I right died in the whole reactionary

849
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Internet conspiracy theorist whatever term you want to use, would

850
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 2>have said. And I think that's interesting because if you

851
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:31.199
<v Speaker 2>are stuck with that fifty five plus demo, to be

852
00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:36.440
<v Speaker 2>blunt about it, that is a non renewable resource, and

853
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 2>they're dealing with a population that is at least to

854
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>some degree, you know, reproducing. There just there's a population pyramid.

855
00:55:43.599 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>And so where do you think we're going to start

856
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 2>to see these changes? Because in my mind, look, you

857
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.880
<v Speaker 2>can drop forty million dollars. Maybe you can do it

858
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.760
<v Speaker 2>a number of times, but at a certain point, as

859
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:01.199
<v Speaker 2>demographic trends continue, that becomes unsustainable. You see what I'm saying.

860
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>There, right, You can actually do arithmetical computation and come

861
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 1>up with, you know, with a slide rule sort of

862
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 1>exactly the moments where their political posture is not you know,

863
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of realistic in terms of producing electing results. I

864
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.159
<v Speaker 1>in other words, if all of your support is in

865
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the old group and the young group is gaining every

866
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 1>year a greater fraction of it, then the number I gave,

867
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 1>like ten years I think is very realistic. I think

868
00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>at that point. I mean, you couldn't You could spend

869
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.440
<v Speaker 1>four hundred million dollars and in ten years and not

870
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:47.840
<v Speaker 1>defeat massive You see my point? Because the demographic that

871
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 1>is not something you can control, is just too large

872
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 1>of a force. And so I think the numbers you're

873
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about are really valuable and people should look at that,

874
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.199
<v Speaker 1>look at them and try to understand it, because will

875
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.880
<v Speaker 1>give them hope because a lot of times people say, oh, gee,

876
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:05.199
<v Speaker 1>it's so difficult. You know, they have all this media control.

877
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:09.519
<v Speaker 1>The government thinks, yeah, but they're losing what got them

878
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 1>into power, which is the control of sort of the

879
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.320
<v Speaker 1>historical narrative. They're losing this. And when you see the

880
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 1>younger generation so skeptical and you see the boomer're about

881
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>to exit the stage, then you know, I mean, it's

882
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 1>just not going to be that difficult to start seeing

883
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:33.719
<v Speaker 1>political change. What will be hard is to sort of

884
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.159
<v Speaker 1>generate the right candidates. And I think we're going to

885
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 1>have to go through, you know, a period where it'll

886
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>be almost impossible to not have co opted individuals, you know,

887
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:48.760
<v Speaker 1>people in other words, they'll they'll see this, they'll see

888
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the demographic chip and they'll try to get ahead of

889
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it and create heroes, you know, for this group that

890
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they can then run for office. But the problem is

891
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Speaker 1>at this point is that process itself is now under

892
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 1>tremendous scrutiny. You know, just because you step forward and say,

893
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm an independent thinker. You know, there is

894
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in the in the indepis so

895
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:15.519
<v Speaker 1>called independent media now who are who are also receiving skepticism,

896
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, well, what is the backgrounds of Alec

897
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Jones for example, you know, why does he have this

898
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:25.880
<v Speaker 1>background you know into you know, support from Zionism. They

899
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 1>they will attempt to you know, control the opposition by

900
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:33.559
<v Speaker 1>leading it. But that's something that is just well known

901
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.840
<v Speaker 1>at this point, you know. And so it's it's going

902
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to be harder and harder for them. And I would

903
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.840
<v Speaker 1>just say that you're using Massy's election as a template.

904
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, they were able to get forty five fifty five.

905
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.800
<v Speaker 1>You can calculate the moment in time when when that

906
00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:54.039
<v Speaker 1>the ten percent parality would be gone just under into

907
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:57.679
<v Speaker 1>the you know, it's just with the current trends going forward.

908
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think ten years on the outside, you'll start

909
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 1>to see it'll be harder and harder to It will

910
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:06.880
<v Speaker 1>almost be impossible to elect anyone from the old guard,

911
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 1>the old way of thinking. But even the new candidates

912
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 1>that come forward will be subjected to a kind of

913
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:18.000
<v Speaker 1>scrutiny that isn't in existence right now. They'll that really

914
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>be looked at with the possibility that they are from

915
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.280
<v Speaker 1>some kind of controlled opposition, and ways will be developed

916
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to vet that. You know, it's just a part of

917
00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:31.320
<v Speaker 1>our the political process you have to go forward with

918
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to be good citizens is you have to have a

919
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:38.760
<v Speaker 1>better way of vetting. You know what I call lifetime actors.

920
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, people like Ted Cruz, who you know, purports

921
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to be you know, an American citizen for America, and

922
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, a Christian, and then there's just this Slavish

923
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Zionist you know, and you wonder, well where does this

924
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>come from? I mean, are headsets you know, the Minister

925
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:03.880
<v Speaker 1>of War where you see video of him talking about

926
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the miracle about to occur of the restoration of the

927
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and you know, you scratch your

928
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>head and you go, well, you're a Christian, you know,

929
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, does Jesus talk about the restoration of the temple?

930
01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 1>He seems to talk about the destruction of the temple,

931
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 1>not the restoration of it. So where do you where

932
01:00:26.880 --> 01:00:30.039
<v Speaker 1>do you come up with these ideas? The vetting will

933
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, it'll also have to go through

934
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.840
<v Speaker 1>a process and the public will have to you know,

935
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.400
<v Speaker 1>become wise in it. But it's going to happen, and

936
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:38.559
<v Speaker 1>these things are inevitable.

937
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.280
<v Speaker 2>One of the I guess you could say common stumbling

938
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 2>blocks of Internet right wing discourse is that they're very

939
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.840
<v Speaker 2>good at picking up on plants like, oh, the Greater

940
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Israel project or whatever, and they sort of just smuggle

941
01:00:54.320 --> 01:00:56.480
<v Speaker 2>and they assume the premise that that is something that

942
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 2>can be done, right, that it is actually possible to accomplish,

943
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that they want to do it so they will be

944
01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:05.679
<v Speaker 2>able to And looking at you know, the forty million

945
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:08.119
<v Speaker 2>dodd dollars it took to get you know, Massy out

946
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 2>of office, my thought is, okay, that's you know, that's

947
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:16.199
<v Speaker 2>a relatively narrow race. Massy certainly didn't do himself any

948
01:01:16.199 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>favors with other things he said and did. It's an

949
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.320
<v Speaker 2>older demographic in a ruby red area, right, so there's

950
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.679
<v Speaker 2>some variables there, but at a certain point, well, how

951
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.760
<v Speaker 2>much money does it take is there an amount of

952
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 2>money that can make it happen? Like if you resurrected

953
01:01:31.239 --> 01:01:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Jerry Folwell from the debt and wanted him to run

954
01:01:34.119 --> 01:01:37.079
<v Speaker 2>for the mayor of San Francisco, how much money would

955
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 2>it take for him to win?

956
01:01:38.599 --> 01:01:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Right?

957
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Is there an amount or is it simply not doable?

958
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:46.320
<v Speaker 1>Incompatible such a great question, and the answer is there

959
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 1>there is a point where money isn't going to work,

960
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:50.719
<v Speaker 1>you see. And I think that's really kind of what

961
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.920
<v Speaker 1>you're alluding to. Yeah, And it's just the extent of

962
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:01.360
<v Speaker 1>individuals who are clear minded. It really comes down to that. Look,

963
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.320
<v Speaker 1>here's what you can see. You want to you want

964
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.599
<v Speaker 1>to have a simple thought experiment to demonstrate the kind

965
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of the validity what I'm saying here. How many people

966
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that you know have ever made the transition from kind

967
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:21.679
<v Speaker 1>of a normal understanding of history to being profoundly skeptical, right,

968
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 1>which you know are are to the to the extent

969
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.639
<v Speaker 1>they're part they can understand the independent media discussions. Right,

970
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 1>how many of these individuals have ever gone back, have

971
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 1>ever reversed? And then we you know, I now believe

972
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:39.159
<v Speaker 1>you know the assertions regarding the Holocaust. For a while

973
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:41.480
<v Speaker 1>there I was a denier. But you know, I found

974
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 1>other information and have you know, and I've gone back.

975
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm in touch with this group. I've seen

976
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.159
<v Speaker 1>thousands of people have like I've never seen a single

977
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.400
<v Speaker 1>one move backwards. You say, it's impossible, the mind doesn't

978
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.280
<v Speaker 1>work this way. So so money isn't going to help

979
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.679
<v Speaker 1>when when you have enough people who who are really

980
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.199
<v Speaker 1>analytically clear, it just it won't. It won't do anything.

981
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 1>So in fact, what it will do is it'll create

982
01:03:08.119 --> 01:03:11.119
<v Speaker 1>mistakes on the parts of the old Arks. They'll become desperate,

983
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.519
<v Speaker 1>they'll be they'll be ham handed, draconian, they'll be you know,

984
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.840
<v Speaker 1>trying to use violence and intimonation. That's that's not going

985
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:19.679
<v Speaker 1>to slow the process down at all. That's just going

986
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:20.519
<v Speaker 1>to accelerated.

987
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.920
<v Speaker 2>So well, and I mean to that point, Joe, just

988
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 2>look at the reaction to the protests when the Israel

989
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Hamas war kicked off. Not only taking these kids who

990
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 2>look they're brain dead college leftists. I don't pretend to

991
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 2>feel sorry for them, but getting clubbed over the head,

992
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:43.440
<v Speaker 2>ridden over with horses, and then however, many university presidents

993
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.280
<v Speaker 2>immediately got replaced like look, man, you don't have to

994
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:48.679
<v Speaker 2>have a tinfoil hat on to say, well, that seems

995
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:51.159
<v Speaker 2>like a very suspicious reaction to a protest on a

996
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 2>college campus. Like I'm old enough to remember when there

997
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.320
<v Speaker 2>were full scale riots that didn't get this sort of reaction.

998
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:00.800
<v Speaker 2>And to your point, like, as more more of these,

999
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, oligarchs get desperate, they start just flailing around.

1000
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 2>And look, you know, a wounded animal is still dangerous.

1001
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, a tiger and a trap can still rip

1002
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.639
<v Speaker 2>your face off, So don't do anything stupid. But look,

1003
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.719
<v Speaker 2>we are concerned with trend lines here. How are things

1004
01:04:16.719 --> 01:04:20.400
<v Speaker 2>evolving into the future, And well, it's not looking good

1005
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 2>for them. So, Joe, this has been a fascinating conversation.

1006
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I really enjoyed it. Thanks for making time. You've mentioned

1007
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the article at the UNS Review in your books, is

1008
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:31.360
<v Speaker 2>there anywhere else people can find you?

1009
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.800
<v Speaker 1>I've written, you know, dozens of articles sort of in

1010
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 1>this vein, and you can find them at Post Flaviana.

1011
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:45.239
<v Speaker 1>The title that refers to the period of time following

1012
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:48.679
<v Speaker 1>the Slavian dynasty, because you know you've read Caesar's Messiah,

1013
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:51.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's when I identify the beginning of the

1014
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you know the process of kind of mind control so anyway,

1015
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:01.239
<v Speaker 1>so post Slaviana and you know, go to Tim Kelly's site.

1016
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Are interesting times. Tim and I have a discussion every week. Gosh,

1017
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 1>you've had four hundred of them and they're available there

1018
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:10.559
<v Speaker 1>if people want to listen to. Let me cover every

1019
01:05:10.599 --> 01:05:17.599
<v Speaker 1>single topic and over and over again. So it's you know,

1020
01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a public person. Just send me an email

1021
01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 1>at Joe Atwell at gmail dot com. I get a

1022
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.400
<v Speaker 1>lot of emails. I try to answer all of them

1023
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:29.320
<v Speaker 1>if I can, and you can if you're interested in

1024
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the books, you can go to Caesarsmossiah dot com and

1025
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:33.079
<v Speaker 1>buy the books there.

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01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, Joe, I'm going to have to retract my previous

1027
01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:39.400
<v Speaker 2>praise for you saying nice things about me because you

1028
01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.920
<v Speaker 2>have at least set the example that I will answer

1029
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.920
<v Speaker 2>all emails, which I will not make that promise. Most

1030
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of you who send me emails are lunatics.

1031
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm all seriously correspond to hate. I just deleted that

1032
01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and I would say, hey, this is probably seventy percent

1033
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of my emails. But you know, the people who have

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate questions, I always try to at least respond, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just part of the process. I believe in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is sort of what I you know, how I

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<v Speaker 1>want to live as a human being. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of the process by which the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>social control constructions that the of the Oligarics have placed

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<v Speaker 1>over us are are disassembled, you know. I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is like our discussion, like all the discussions you've had,

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<v Speaker 1>y I mean, they all are part of the process.

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<v Speaker 1>So I enjoy being in that world, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>how I spend my time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well great, as far as my stuff, you guys know

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<v Speaker 2>where to find me anyway, without further ado, good night,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Rank