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Speaker 1: with the show. All right, Big for Society. You've got
Speaker 1: the privilege of talking to Daniel today. Daniel's one of
Speaker 1: the co hosts of the great YouTube channel Mysteries Unknown podcast.
Speaker 1: I've been wanting to talk to him for quite a while.
Speaker 1: That is one of the shows that I like to watch,
Speaker 1: one of the I would say up and coming shows.
Speaker 1: There's that one and then not so perfect Bigfoot show
Speaker 1: is great, but man, I love watching them when I've
Speaker 1: got the time. But Daniel, it's a pleasure chatting to
Speaker 1: you today and thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jeremi, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much for
Speaker 2: having me on.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. How's the weather up there where you're at, Man.
Speaker 2: Well, it's probably the same as yours. I'm a little
Speaker 2: north of you. I'm up here in Minnesota, and so
Speaker 2: we're kind of going through like a cool wave and
Speaker 2: then a heat wave and looks like we're going to
Speaker 2: get some rain tomorrow. So yeah, probably about the same
Speaker 2: as you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's true. We're both Midwest dude, So yeah,
Speaker 1: our stuff's pretty similar. But Man, Daniel, we've talked a
Speaker 1: little bit off air, and it sounds like you've had
Speaker 1: some really interesting things happen on the show. So I
Speaker 1: would love to go ahead and just toss it right
Speaker 1: over to you, and you're welcome to share what you've
Speaker 1: experienced over the years.
Speaker 2: Sure. Well, you know, when I was twelve years old,
Speaker 2: I lived in Graham, Washington's that's where I'm originally from.
Speaker 2: I was born in Belgium, my dad was stationed over there,
Speaker 2: got back to Washington State and that's pretty much where
Speaker 2: I grew up. And we lived in Graham, Washington at
Speaker 2: the time of the sighting. Like I said, I was
Speaker 2: like twelve years old. This was ninety excuse me eighty four,
Speaker 2: about eighty four time frame. And when we my brother
Speaker 2: and I, when we first moved back with our dad,
Speaker 2: he was living in like an adult like RV park,
Speaker 2: trailer park, and that was more and more elderly retired people,
Speaker 2: and you know, there was really no one our age
Speaker 2: supposed to be there. My dad was able to talk
Speaker 2: with the owners and they were okay with it. We
Speaker 2: made ourselves kind of useful, you know. We'd go around
Speaker 2: help out, you know, help people take their garbage out
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. We never caused any trouble. My
Speaker 2: dad knew and realized that this was not a place
Speaker 2: for us to grow up. So while we were spending
Speaker 2: I want to say, a spring break in Tacoma with
Speaker 2: my with my aunt, my dad had already in the
Speaker 2: works buying like five acres of land. And this land
Speaker 2: was not very far, you know, it was up up
Speaker 2: past the top of Graham Hill. I think it's Meridian.
Speaker 2: I think that's the name of the major street. I
Speaker 2: can't really remember. But when he came back, my dad
Speaker 2: just drove right past this trailer park, you know, this
Speaker 2: this this RV park, and I what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's like I show you a boy something, and you know,
Speaker 2: he goes down a ways and makes a right and
Speaker 2: goes down aways another road, makes another right and goes
Speaker 2: down aways another road and turns onto this long gravel road.
Speaker 2: Now at the time, I thought the gravel road was
Speaker 2: probably like five miles long, but it was in actuality
Speaker 2: is maybe a mile and a half, maybe two miles long.
Speaker 2: But this road was it was kind of like it
Speaker 2: had dips in it and little rises and little straightaways
Speaker 2: and then another dip and then another rise, you know.
Speaker 2: And so he goes down here and he pulls it
Speaker 2: into the end of this property and lo and behold
Speaker 2: there's the I'm gonna say camper. It was a fifth wheel,
Speaker 2: so it's pretty much a camper. There was the camper.
Speaker 2: And my dad had set this camper on this land.
Speaker 2: They'd already cleared some of it. He'd built a really
Speaker 2: nice deck pretty much around from the back part of
Speaker 2: it around to the front part of it, just a
Speaker 2: huge deck, built a shed out there, and had fastened
Speaker 2: down this our camper. You know. He put the you know,
Speaker 2: had it put up on blocks and had all the
Speaker 2: anchor ties down and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 2: we were like, holy Bucketsy, this is five acres of woods,
Speaker 2: pine and and some other indigenous trees. And I was
Speaker 2: like this, this is awesome. So we spent you know,
Speaker 2: that first weekend or whatever, just running around the woods
Speaker 2: having a good time. Never think anything of it. You know.
Speaker 2: Fast forward, we were coming back another time, me, my dad,
Speaker 2: my brother, my dad was my dad of course, was
Speaker 2: driving my our brothers in this backseat, sleeping, and we're
Speaker 2: coming home and it's probably one or two in the morning,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say more towards the one o'clock timeframe.
Speaker 2: And as we turn off onto the road we go,
Speaker 2: we start going down. We go down this little dip,
Speaker 2: we come back up this rise, and we came on
Speaker 2: this ride. We hit this a little straightaway and I
Speaker 2: noticed the some eye shine off to the right side
Speaker 2: of this gravel road that we were on, and it
Speaker 2: was pretty far down, but it was still it caught
Speaker 2: my attention and then I just said, Dad, I said,
Speaker 2: there's something up there on the road. I said, you
Speaker 2: might watching your brights on and he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you'll see us coming. You know, it'll, it'll, it'll, it'll
Speaker 2: get off the road, you know. And so we go
Speaker 2: back down this dip and back up this rise, and
Speaker 2: we come back up this rise. Our lights, you know,
Speaker 2: I see this light, this this this eye shine again.
Speaker 2: It's like a dark amber, reddish hue. And I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 2: there's something right there on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: If we go down this dip and come back up,
Speaker 2: it's going to be right there. So it's weird to
Speaker 2: call down the dip and come back up the rise.
Speaker 2: My dad turned his brides on and he also had
Speaker 2: these new foglights on that you know, kind of like
Speaker 2: today's driving lights. They really widen your your scope of vision, right,
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, our lights hit it. And
Speaker 2: there she was. And when I say she one hundred
Speaker 2: percent a female, she stood up, and Jeremiah, I honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't for the life of me, I thought she
Speaker 2: was never gonna stop standing up. She was massive. She
Speaker 2: turned at the waist, and that's how I knew that
Speaker 2: she was a female. Saw her breast, saw her face,
Speaker 2: she turned almost way she was standing up. She did
Speaker 2: like a one eighty so she just kind of turned
Speaker 2: her complete body around, and it wasn't like super fast,
Speaker 2: like she just whipped her around, but she kind of
Speaker 2: turned looked at us, and then turned and then took
Speaker 2: like two steps maybe three steps, off the side of
Speaker 2: the road, and it was gone into the woods right.
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm just I'm surprised, I'm scared. And as
Speaker 2: we're driving by, you know, I go, Dad, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 2: He's like he just didn't say a word. He just
Speaker 2: kept driving. He didn't speed up, he didn't sow down,
Speaker 2: he just kept going like he didn't see it. And
Speaker 2: as I looked to my to my right, I saw
Speaker 2: her like squatting into the woods. And there was enough
Speaker 2: light from from the way the angle the lights shined
Speaker 2: out that I saw her blinker eyes twice. And so
Speaker 2: my dad pulled into our property and the car was
Speaker 2: not even at a complete stop. I'd already had the
Speaker 2: door opening. I had my hand in my pocket taking
Speaker 2: my key out, and I as soon as my dad
Speaker 2: the car stopped, I was out of the car, running
Speaker 2: up the steps and unlocking the door door a camper
Speaker 2: and running in and I jumped into my dad's bed. Now,
Speaker 2: when you walked into the camper a fifth, will you
Speaker 2: know you have this this hitch that you hitch up
Speaker 2: to a truck. So it's kind of got like this
Speaker 2: little loft area. And that's where my brother and I slept.
Speaker 2: And if you're looking head on at the fifth will
Speaker 2: at the camper, I slept on the right hand side.
Speaker 2: My brother slept on the left kind of. So my
Speaker 2: brother slept on the side that was where the deck
Speaker 2: was built closest to that, and I slept where the
Speaker 2: shed and the woods and everything were. And so I
Speaker 2: jumped in. My dad had a hide a bed. It
Speaker 2: was a queen's size hide of bed. I jumped into
Speaker 2: that bed and I was like, Dad, you know. My
Speaker 2: dad comes in and he puts my brother up up
Speaker 2: into his bed, and I'm like, Dad, what was that?
Speaker 2: What was that? He's like, you know, you know what
Speaker 2: that was? I go, Dad, that was a that was
Speaker 2: a big foot. He's like, don't worry about it, no,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, everything's to be fine. And while I
Speaker 2: was talking at me, trying to calm me down, he's
Speaker 2: going into the cupboards and he's pulling you know, fruit out,
Speaker 2: he's you know, other types of stuff. He goes into
Speaker 2: the fridge and he pulls out you know, like grapes
Speaker 2: and some vegetables and things like that. And when my
Speaker 2: dad had built the deck, he put this this really
Speaker 2: tall pole on one corner of the deck with like
Speaker 2: a metal plate welded onto it because he wanted to
Speaker 2: put like a bird feeder up there. So my dad
Speaker 2: loved watching birds. He would take pictures of him and stuff.
Speaker 2: And my dad goes. He has everything, you know, gathered up.
Speaker 2: He leaves the camper, goes outside. I hear him shut
Speaker 2: the car door because I didn't shut my car door.
Speaker 2: I hear him open up the shed. He comes back around.
Speaker 2: He has a he has a ladder with him and
Speaker 2: like this tube of grease or something right, I did
Speaker 2: not really wasn't sure what it was. At first. He
Speaker 2: goes and I see him put the ladder up, and
Speaker 2: then he comes in, grabs all the food, climbs up
Speaker 2: the ladder a couple of times, puts the food up there.
Speaker 2: And then what he does is it takes this and
Speaker 2: he squirts this grease or whatever on the on this
Speaker 2: rag and he as high as he could possibly get,
Speaker 2: he just slowly puts grease all over this pole. And
Speaker 2: I'm watching my dad. I'm like, Dad, what are you
Speaker 2: doing that for? He's like, that's to stop anything from
Speaker 2: getting to get that food. And I go like, what,
Speaker 2: like like what he is like raccoons? I go, oh, okay, okay, raccoons.
Speaker 2: And for the brief second that made sense to me,
Speaker 2: you know, for a second, it made me stop thinking
Speaker 2: about what we had just seen maybe fifteen twenty minutes earlier.
Speaker 2: So We're laying in bed, and as I'm laying there,
Speaker 2: my dad was a smoker, and he never smoked in
Speaker 2: the camper, but he's outside and I could hear him talking,
Speaker 2: and so I got nosy and I kind of put
Speaker 2: my ear up to the door a little bit, and
Speaker 2: I hear him say something to the fact like, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: we saw you. You know you saw us. You know
Speaker 2: these are just my boys. I just want to make
Speaker 2: a home. Please don't scare him, don't hurt him. We
Speaker 2: don't want to We don't want any harm. We don't
Speaker 2: mean any harm. Because when my dad was clearing all
Speaker 2: the land, you know, he didn't clear everything. He cleared
Speaker 2: enough space to where he could plant a garden and
Speaker 2: build a home, because he that's what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He was he was cutting some of the trees down
Speaker 2: so he could build like an a frame house. That's
Speaker 2: what he always wanted to build for us. But he
Speaker 2: did and go in and just cut down any tree.
Speaker 2: He was very selective on what he did. My dad
Speaker 2: was raised in Alaska. Family were fishermen and laggers, so
Speaker 2: my dad had a really deep respect for mother nature
Speaker 2: and animals. Whenever he hunted, he always said, you know,
Speaker 2: make sure you think you know, we thank this animal
Speaker 2: for giving up itself, you know, so con feed us
Speaker 2: and whatnot. You know, he did. He was very very mindful.
Speaker 2: And so my dad comes in. I jumped back into bed.
Speaker 2: I hear him coming to the door. I jump back
Speaker 2: into the bed and I go, Dad, well who are
Speaker 2: you talking to He's like, oh, I was praying. I go,
Speaker 2: why didn't hear you say? Amen? So my dad just
Speaker 2: kind of goes amen. You know, we're laying in bed,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, Dad, you know what. He's like,
Speaker 2: Let's not talk about it. You know, everything's gonna be fine,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. You know, they're more scared of
Speaker 2: us than we're them. You know, he's getting you know,
Speaker 2: Dad's trying to calm down his son, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's working a little bit, but I'm still, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm still a little frightened. I don't know how long
Speaker 2: I was awake, but I woke up hearing this loud,
Speaker 2: like this loud creak. And when I say creak, I
Speaker 2: meant I hear something step up on the deck. And
Speaker 2: whatever had stepped up on this deck, the boards which
Speaker 2: was growning. It was like a massive amount of weight
Speaker 2: was stepping. With each stepping, you heard him crack and groan.
Speaker 2: And and about that time, where I slept on my
Speaker 2: dad's bed, I might against this camp of wall, and
Speaker 2: I heard and felt something run by, and I look
Speaker 2: over my dad and my dad's you know, I've getting
Speaker 2: ready say something. My dad puts, you know, puts his
Speaker 2: finger to his lips. He's like, tell me to be quiet,
Speaker 2: and I'm my dad is the one out there, and
Speaker 2: he like shakes his head, you know, and I'm looking
Speaker 2: at him and he puts up three fingers and I go,
Speaker 2: there's three out there, and he's like yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: he did mouths yes. And about that time, I hear
Speaker 2: this vocalization coming from outside, you know, like it's kind
Speaker 2: of like the samurai chatter. I'm not gonna try to
Speaker 2: imitate it because I'm gonna butcher it. But so I
Speaker 2: kind of heard that and I looked at my dad,
Speaker 2: and my dad'sill, chill, still telling me to, you know,
Speaker 2: be quiet. And that's when I noticed my dad had
Speaker 2: a gun resting on his chest. And I'm like, I'm thinking,
Speaker 2: you know, now, I'm now as as a fifty you know,
Speaker 2: fifty two year old almost fifty three year old man,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Number one, my dad's handgun was not going
Speaker 2: to stop one of these things. Number Two, if they
Speaker 2: wanted to get it, all he had to do was
Speaker 2: rip that door right off that camper. There's no stop
Speaker 2: in one of these things if they wanted to get
Speaker 2: at me, right, so, I must have dozed off. I
Speaker 2: wake up. We had the the curtain on the on
Speaker 2: the campra door. It was cracked a little bit. Sunlight
Speaker 2: was shining through, and as it woke me up, well,
Speaker 2: I jumped up real quick, jumped over. My dad flew
Speaker 2: open the door, and I'm looking around and I'm looking
Speaker 2: and I did something I knew I wasn't supposed to do,
Speaker 2: but I did it anyway. I climbed up on the
Speaker 2: on the banister. You know, the the the railing of
Speaker 2: the of the deck climbed up there where I could
Speaker 2: see higher up on and all the food was gone.
Speaker 2: Every single thing my dad proke there was gone. I
Speaker 2: looked around, there was nothing on the ground. Nothing. I
Speaker 2: go and I look at the pole and you could
Speaker 2: see where something had grabbed the pole. It was a
Speaker 2: massive hand and you could tell a massive hand had
Speaker 2: grabbed this pole. And then it looked like from as
Speaker 2: high up as it could reach was almost to the
Speaker 2: very very top of where this little metal platform was.
Speaker 2: There was like a line from there all the way
Speaker 2: down where something had taken its finger and just rubbed
Speaker 2: it all the way down. And it must have got
Speaker 2: a ton of grease or whatever it was on its finger,
Speaker 2: but you could tell where it just ran his finger down.
Speaker 2: So I run in the house, record on his camper
Speaker 2: real quick. I'm my dad, Dad, Dad, all the food's gone.
Speaker 2: All the food's gone. And he's like, what, I go,
Speaker 2: all the food's gone. They took the food. They took
Speaker 2: the food. And you know, my dad told me to
Speaker 2: kind of keep it down. So my dad goes out
Speaker 2: looks when we look around. I don't recall ever seeing
Speaker 2: any any prints around that at that.
Speaker 1: Time big for society. Who will be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 2: And so my dad would go out walking around, look
Speaker 2: over at the shed and stuff, don't see anything. About
Speaker 2: that time, my little brother comes out and you know,
Speaker 2: hear us talk and he's like, you know, oh, what
Speaker 2: a you gotta talking about? I said there was a
Speaker 2: big foot, and my dad got mad because I, you know,
Speaker 2: said bigfoot. My brother's like, oh, he goes, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: seen a couple of small ones hanging around, you know,
Speaker 2: when we play our music, and like what he's like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he goes whenever we bring the radio out and we
Speaker 2: play music, you would play tape or whatever. While out
Speaker 2: there playing, I see two small ones. They go to
Speaker 2: the tree line over there, and he's pointing over to
Speaker 2: an area where my dad already cleared and in that
Speaker 2: area we'd built a tree fort. And my brother goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: they like to hang out over there and listen to
Speaker 2: listen to the music, and he goes. I remember going
Speaker 2: over to the tree fort one day and I saw
Speaker 2: something jump out of the tree fort and run off
Speaker 2: into the woods. And I thought it was just a
Speaker 2: little boy, but it was it was too big. To
Speaker 2: be a little boy. So that was that signing that
Speaker 2: I had now previously before that siding this happened probably,
Speaker 2: I want to say, well maybe February timeframe when this happened.
Speaker 2: We had a storm come through and the thunder lightning rain.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just it was a terrible thunderstorm
Speaker 2: and for some reason, I just could not fall asleep.
Speaker 2: So I'm laying on my back and this huge bang
Speaker 2: of thunder hits and this bright flash of lightning, and
Speaker 2: no sooner did that lightning disappear. It felt like our
Speaker 2: camper was being pushed over on its side. Something hit
Speaker 2: the camper super, super hard enough where it felt like
Speaker 2: it was tipping the camper onto its side. And when
Speaker 2: it fell back down, I immediately pulled open this little curtain,
Speaker 2: little shade that we had, and I looked out. And
Speaker 2: when I looked out, I saw this this flash of
Speaker 2: lightning hit and it lit up the whole area. And
Speaker 2: I saw something walking, not running, but walking, and walked
Speaker 2: underneath this tree where this branch was hanging out, and
Speaker 2: walked off into the woods. And you know, I told
Speaker 2: my dad, you know, my brother was asleep. My dad.
Speaker 2: I woke my dad up my dad says, we'll look
Speaker 2: in the morning, and I'm my dad, it was a
Speaker 2: GD bigfoot. He's like, stop saying that. I go, Dad,
Speaker 2: it was a GD bigfoot. He's like, stop saying that.
Speaker 2: I go. Okay, it was a bigfoot. And I was
Speaker 2: very adamant that's what I saw, but again I wasn't
Speaker 2: really one hundred percent certain at that time. And again
Speaker 2: this happened before I saw my sighting. And so we
Speaker 2: went out the next morning and we're looking around and
Speaker 2: it had rained, so people could have just taken a
Speaker 2: fire hose and just spread the whole ground. That's how
Speaker 2: much rain it looked like it fell. Turn around, we
Speaker 2: looked at the camper and about six and a half
Speaker 2: maybe seven feet up, there was a huge dent in
Speaker 2: the side of our camper where like something had ran
Speaker 2: as hard as it could and like put shoulder into
Speaker 2: it or use both hands to try to push it over.
Speaker 2: It hit the camper so hard that some of the
Speaker 2: anchor straps were pulled completely out of the ground. Some
Speaker 2: of them cement blocks that were the camper was on
Speaker 2: had been crushed, had been you know, broken, and things.
Speaker 2: And my brother comes out of here's this talking and
Speaker 2: he's like, you know what what happened? What you know?
Speaker 2: You guys are saying something hit the camp and my
Speaker 2: dad goes a branch hit the Camper's that go okay?
Speaker 2: So that was like the very first you know at
Speaker 2: that time that I understood, you know, this is what
Speaker 2: I saw, This is what you know, this is what's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 1: Daniel. That is just absolutely wild for context for the listeners.
Speaker 1: So this takes place in Pierce County, which, if we're
Speaker 1: going by the BFRO I believe has the highest number
Speaker 1: of publicly available Pierce County has its gig Harbor all
Speaker 1: the way over to Mount Rainier National Park and you're
Speaker 1: there kind of in the middle of it. So you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of action going on, a ton of action.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Had a few questions, Vitoria, definitely go ahead, No, no,
Speaker 1: go ahead. Remind me again, So the initial sighting where
Speaker 1: there was the female bigfoot by the side of the road,
Speaker 1: how far away from your camper was that again?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe two hundred and fifty yards maybe, man, maybe
Speaker 3: two hundred.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I know you said you were about twelve years old,
Speaker 1: so it's it's been a while, but I mean, do
Speaker 1: you remember any any details of what you were able
Speaker 1: to see. I mean you said you saw the face.
Speaker 2: For a little bit, correct, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well. She
Speaker 2: had a like a slight conical head huge bridge high bridge,
Speaker 2: you know, bridge brow, a flat nose. Her skin was black.
Speaker 2: Her color of her hair, I want to say, was
Speaker 2: like a dark like charcoal almost black. Yeah, that's I mean.
Speaker 2: She didn't show me her teeth. She had ears kind
Speaker 2: of like almost like a chimp kind of but not.
Speaker 2: And yeah, dude, she was massive, man, she was just huge.
Speaker 2: She was probably a good seven and a half feet tall,
Speaker 2: just massive. I had to guess weight. I'm saying probably
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty five hundred pounds. Maybe she was massive.
Speaker 1: Would you be able to estimate if you were looking
Speaker 1: at how wide across the shoulders.
Speaker 2: Were, hmmm, probably four and a half maybe four and
Speaker 2: a half feet wide at the shoulders, maybe five. She
Speaker 2: was big, man, She was big. And the funny thing
Speaker 2: is is I honestly believe that there was a family.
Speaker 2: And you know, some people may say, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: they don't travel in families. Yes they do. This was
Speaker 2: a family unit. And the reason I say that is
Speaker 2: the one that hit the camper I want to say,
Speaker 2: was like an adolescent male. You're like maybe like a
Speaker 2: late teens, early twenties. Then there was two juveniles my
Speaker 2: brother had seen. I never saw him, and then there
Speaker 2: was one big male that I just caught glimpses of.
Speaker 2: It was never something, oh, look there he is, you know,
Speaker 2: but what he was kind of like in the area,
Speaker 2: and you knew what he was in the area because
Speaker 2: I just got this feeling like there had been plenty
Speaker 2: times my brother and I were out and had our
Speaker 2: tree fort hanging out and my brother just to look
Speaker 2: at him, He's like, we got to go back to
Speaker 2: the house. I'm like, yeah, we gotta go. It just
Speaker 2: the whole air just changed. Now when the female was around,
Speaker 2: never had that. When that like the the attle or
Speaker 2: the i'll call him the teenage or the young adult,
Speaker 2: the young adult never really felt that. But when the
Speaker 2: big male was around, things just changed. And I remember
Speaker 2: at times I looked out the window of our three
Speaker 2: four and I'd see something move back behind a tree,
Speaker 2: and what I saw was a bigger than the female,
Speaker 2: massive by the female, And I don't understand why he
Speaker 2: would hide behind some of these trees because he was
Speaker 2: wider than these trees. He easily had to be five
Speaker 2: and a half almost six feet wide across. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: I might be exaggerating that, but I'm telling you, Jeremiah,
Speaker 2: this dude was massive. But he was never aggressive towards me.
Speaker 2: I never encountered him being aggressive. He just I think
Speaker 2: he was just around just to make sure we didn't
Speaker 2: we didn't screw off and do something.
Speaker 1: Stupid, you know, right, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I think him. I think the father and the
Speaker 2: mother the female that I saw, I think they kept
Speaker 2: that young adult in check because if they weren't around,
Speaker 2: there's no doubt in my mind. I want to say
Speaker 2: that young adult would easily have just been tormenting us
Speaker 2: the entire time.
Speaker 1: Wow, I don't get to talk to a lot of
Speaker 1: people about female big foot sightings. Was it similar to
Speaker 1: Patty at all? Or was it a completely different thing?
Speaker 2: I want to say similar. I want to say probably
Speaker 2: about seventy five maybe eighty five percent similar to Patty.
Speaker 2: Like the girth, because Patty's she was girthy. You know,
Speaker 2: she had matt and so did this one. She had mass.
Speaker 2: And again it wasn't the first time that I saw her.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like the only time I saw her. My
Speaker 2: dad loved us, you know. He helped me and my
Speaker 2: brother build a two seater go car that we you know,
Speaker 2: we had off like these off road wheels on, and
Speaker 2: we would we would just drive all over the place,
Speaker 2: right And there'd be times where I'd be flying by
Speaker 2: and my brother he'd look behind. He goes, she's looking
Speaker 2: at us, and I whip around real quick. I kind
Speaker 2: of snapped my head around. I'd see her, just catch
Speaker 2: a glimpse of her. She would like look out of
Speaker 2: the woods, just to see what we were doing. But
Speaker 2: never never met I mean, we never had rocks or
Speaker 2: sticks or anything thrown at us while we were there.
Speaker 2: We did hear you know, we did hear whoops, We
Speaker 2: did hear whistles. I remember we heard this owl one time. Bobby,
Speaker 2: did you hear My little brother's name was Bobby, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, Bobby, did you hear that owl? He's like, man,
Speaker 2: that owl that doesn't sound like an owl. But you know,
Speaker 2: we heard things like that in the area. I mean,
Speaker 2: there were porcupine in the area, there were coyotes in
Speaker 2: the area, there were deer in the area, rabbit, squirrels,
Speaker 2: that type of stuff. There's also a couple of houses
Speaker 2: in the area, but they weren't super close to us,
Speaker 2: so we had to like go through the woods as
Speaker 2: a shortcut, or go back down the gravel road then
Speaker 2: turn off one of these little tinier roads to go
Speaker 2: to this you know, people's house. And I remember one
Speaker 2: day I was goofing off in the woods and I
Speaker 2: ran into this kid about might say, maybe maybe nine
Speaker 2: or ten years old, okay, and I'm like, Oh, where
Speaker 2: do you live. He's like, oh, I'll live right over here.
Speaker 2: You know, my dad knows you guys moving in over here,
Speaker 2: and you want to come over to my house. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, And I said, real quick, I got to
Speaker 2: go tell my dad, and he goes, I'll come with you.
Speaker 2: So we go running over to my house.
Speaker 4: And my dad dad I found a friend. He lives
Speaker 4: over here through the woods, and I was like, my
Speaker 4: Dad's like, oh, that's great. You know, just be careful
Speaker 4: when you're out there, you know, don't do thing dumb,
Speaker 4: you know, don't be stupid. And so, you know, i'd
Speaker 4: go over there quite a bit of times.
Speaker 2: And one thing that I thought was really super cool
Speaker 2: about his house is that his dad had this giant
Speaker 2: rabbit hutch. This rabbit hutch was mass we could have
Speaker 2: been like a little fort like seriously, And what was
Speaker 2: really cool about this hutch is that the front of
Speaker 2: it had like these double doors that had this locked.
Speaker 2: He had to slide like a bolt. You slide the
Speaker 2: bolt over and then and then lock it down. And
Speaker 2: then you had two other locking mechanisms that you lifted,
Speaker 2: like the front part of the roof of the hutch
Speaker 2: up and it would like lock into place. So if
Speaker 2: you wanted to go in there and clean everything out,
Speaker 2: you had easy access, right. Well. I remember one day
Speaker 2: I come over to my friends and me and my
Speaker 2: brother we come running up the driveway and I see
Speaker 2: his dad come walking around from from the back of
Speaker 2: the house and he's just livid. He's like, I don't
Speaker 2: get it. Why would someone do this? So we're thinking
Speaker 2: that our friend is out there in the backyard. So
Speaker 2: we go run alongside the house while his dad goes
Speaker 2: into the garage and Jeremiah something had manipulated the locks,
Speaker 2: ripped the doors off, and killed every single rabbit who
Speaker 2: And when I say killed them, I remember his dad
Speaker 2: distinctively saying they're all here, but why and when he
Speaker 2: asked that question, this is why he asked that question.
Speaker 2: Some of them are ripped apart. Some of them just
Speaker 2: had their heads ripped off. He had like twenty rabbits,
Speaker 2: thirty rabbits maybe in there, and all the rabbits were
Speaker 2: accounted for, but they were just all heads popped off,
Speaker 2: ripped in half, you know, either side, you know, like
Speaker 2: grabbed from the head in the bottom and just pulled apart,
Speaker 2: or grab by the back legs and ripped in half
Speaker 2: that way. Just all of them mutilated and just left
Speaker 2: there like someone was doing it just to have a
Speaker 2: good time. And that's probably the scariest thing that's that
Speaker 2: happened to that location. Like I said, it was probably
Speaker 2: maybe a quarter of a mile half a mile from
Speaker 2: where we were to the road something like that, and
Speaker 2: we would have to walk up to the to the
Speaker 2: main road where there was a street light that's where
Speaker 2: our bus picked us up. And there'd be times we'd
Speaker 2: have to get up, like four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: four thirty to get up to the bus stop. Because
Speaker 2: the bus cat came around like a five point fifteen
Speaker 2: and this is a rural area, so it had a
Speaker 2: big route and so by the time we got to
Speaker 2: school it was like seven thirty, so we had like
Speaker 2: a two hour bus ride sometimes. And I remember pitch black, darkest, darkest.
Speaker 1: Can be big for society. Who will be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages?
Speaker 2: And we were not walking down that gravel road. We
Speaker 2: were running down that gravel road. And there every times
Speaker 2: where we knew and we heard something pacing us on
Speaker 2: either side of us until we got up to where
Speaker 2: the edge of that light was. As soon as we
Speaker 2: walked into how that where that light shigne was from
Speaker 2: that street light, that's when they stopped and then we'd
Speaker 2: get on the bus. So yeah, but we only stayed
Speaker 2: in that property for about a year, maybe a little
Speaker 2: over a year. My dad had been involved in a
Speaker 2: very really, really bad car accident. He was almost killed,
Speaker 2: so we had to move back to Tacoma and move
Speaker 2: in with my aunt and uncle. And it was almost
Speaker 2: a full year by the time we went back out
Speaker 2: to that property. You know, everything was all locked up
Speaker 2: and stuff. And when we went there just to grab
Speaker 2: the rest of our stuff, because it was in October
Speaker 2: that my dad had that accident, so it was probably
Speaker 2: not in not a year, I'm sorry, not a year.
Speaker 2: It's probably that next spring. I walked around the camper
Speaker 2: and it looked like something was looking even how you
Speaker 2: cut your hands over your eyes on the side of
Speaker 2: your eyes to try to look into something. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: looks like on every single one of the windows you
Speaker 2: saw that print and you could see where like a
Speaker 2: nose was pushed up against like something was trying to
Speaker 2: look in the windows, and especially the windows where my
Speaker 2: brother and ie beds were, because that was a good
Speaker 2: maybe seven feet off the ground and there's eyes looking
Speaker 2: and trying to look through the curtain that was there.
Speaker 2: But every window had multiple like prints like that.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, that was yeah, that was in the
Speaker 1: early to mid eighties. You were saying eighty.
Speaker 2: Four, right, yeah, early, yeah, yeah, eighty four.
Speaker 1: Did I at any point did your dad ever try
Speaker 1: to talk to the cops about what was going on?
Speaker 1: Or is kind of like we can handle it ourselves.
Speaker 2: Or well, seems like I said, my dad was raised
Speaker 2: in Alaska, so my dad's head had encountered with things
Speaker 2: up in Alaska. To the day that he died. He
Speaker 2: still swears, you know, he swore to the day that
Speaker 2: he died that he saw werewolf. My dad encountered the
Speaker 2: Kushta Kaye on two occasions while he was up in Alaska.
Speaker 2: So my dad, you know, my dad believed, you know
Speaker 2: that as long as we weren't doing anything aggressive or
Speaker 2: we weren't doing anything disrespectful, that they wouldn't really mess
Speaker 2: with this. And there was times when my dad would
Speaker 2: put other things up like smoke salmon. He'd put that
Speaker 2: up there, and he'd always do the same thing. He'd
Speaker 2: always grease that pole so nothing else can climb up
Speaker 2: that pole and get it, and it'd be gone. And
Speaker 2: there'd be times where we'd have like, well, my brother
Speaker 2: found a dad squirrel sitting up there. There would be
Speaker 2: times where we'd have like rocks up there, or a marble.
Speaker 2: There's a marble up there for some reason. So berries,
Speaker 2: there'd be huckleberries up there, blackberries, raspberries, Yeah, just sitting
Speaker 2: up there. Wow.
Speaker 1: So there was maybe a little bit of a gifting
Speaker 1: situation going on there in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably if my brother said at times he'd thrown
Speaker 2: like a ball because he knew they were sitting he
Speaker 2: knew the juveniles were sitting out in the woods watching us.
Speaker 2: So my brother would be out there goofing off and
Speaker 2: he would live on purpose throw a ball out there
Speaker 2: and we'd never see it again, never see it again.
Speaker 1: Oh I bet not. You would definitely not see it again.
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk to your dad about this when
Speaker 1: you were an adult or when you were older?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, oh see this, this is this is the
Speaker 2: thing with my dad, my dad, my dad believe my
Speaker 2: dad know, my dad knew, I mean, and we would
Speaker 2: talk about it and it would be the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know, Daniel, you know, you know what you saw,
Speaker 2: you know what you saw, you know. And and then
Speaker 2: I got to asking him because you know, I start
Speaker 2: having these these memories also had come back to me
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I remember like when I was like seven,
Speaker 2: seven or eight, my dad, my dad loved the hunt
Speaker 2: and there was this place up around I want to
Speaker 2: say north northeast of Aberdeen and we called it the
Speaker 2: hunting camp. Right. Well, my dad we went to this
Speaker 2: hunting camp and we went and we weren't hunting. Well
Speaker 2: I wasn't hunting, my dad was hunting. And he goes,
Speaker 2: you want to go hunt with me? And I'm like sure.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, we got to get up early. We're
Speaker 2: gonna sit in the deer stand, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: And that was unusual for my dad. So my dad
Speaker 2: never really hunted from a deer stand. He'd always be
Speaker 2: on the ground and he would normally track, you know,
Speaker 2: what he wanted to hunt and then do what, you know,
Speaker 2: do what he did. And I remember we went up
Speaker 2: had camp. The next day we went out and he goes,
Speaker 2: he come up in this, you know, come up here.
Speaker 2: This is our deer stand. And the deer stand overlooked
Speaker 2: this trail, but there was also a couple of game
Speaker 2: trails that came that came off of it went underneath
Speaker 2: the deer stand and then up into the woods behind
Speaker 2: the deer stand, and my dad goes at you know,
Speaker 2: at night there they come out of the woods from here,
Speaker 2: they do what they do down here, and then when
Speaker 2: it starts getting light again, they're going to come back
Speaker 2: up this path, this deer you know, this this this
Speaker 2: animal path or whatever, and they'll go back up into
Speaker 2: the woods and they'll bed down for the day because
Speaker 2: then they know people were out and about. They don't
Speaker 2: you know, that's where they're gonna lay low. Because I
Speaker 2: had asked him, why are we not looking at the woods,
Speaker 2: he goes, and he gave me that reason. So he
Speaker 2: gets me up in the deer stand. You know, we
Speaker 2: have a picks his rifle, hoists his rifle up with
Speaker 2: with a rope and we're sitting up in there, and
Speaker 2: it was it was a homemade deer stands big enough
Speaker 2: for two people. And my dad starts looking through his
Speaker 2: little back his little napsacks, a little backpack. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot something. We were baby, I don't know, half
Speaker 2: a mile away from the camp and he's like, stay here,
Speaker 2: it'll be fine. I'm gonna run down to the camp
Speaker 2: get what I need and I'll be right back up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, no big deal. I'm like seven, eight
Speaker 2: years old. I'm not scared of anything. I'm not worried
Speaker 2: about anything. Right, So even in later life, I did
Speaker 2: this when I went hunting. I started dozing off. Now
Speaker 2: I'm getting comfortable and I've got my left leg stretched
Speaker 2: out and it's kind of hanging off to the side
Speaker 2: a little bit of the deer stand, and I feel
Speaker 2: this tug on my boot and it kind of kind
Speaker 2: of wakes me up. And it's not quite light yet,
Speaker 2: and so I look and my boot's untied and I'm
Speaker 2: looking around, and I'm like, oh man, I must have twitched,
Speaker 2: and you know what, my dad might be messing with me.
Speaker 2: So I reached down, I tie my boot up again,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching, you know, looking around. All sudden I
Speaker 2: start nodding off again, and just as I get ready off, boom,
Speaker 2: I feel my tug on my boot again, and I
Speaker 2: look down and my boots untied again, and I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 2: knock it off, you know. And so I go and
Speaker 2: I go and I tie my boot up again, and
Speaker 2: now this time I'm watching my boot. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see if it's my dad messed with me,
Speaker 2: because maybe, you know, he saw me nod no or not,
Speaker 2: saw me sleep and he snuck up and now he's
Speaker 2: messing with me. Well, hear this noise off to the
Speaker 2: right of me, and when I look over to see
Speaker 2: what it was, and I'm looking, I fear fill an
Speaker 2: out tug at my boot and my boot is untied,
Speaker 2: and now I'm I'm mad, but I'm also I'm scared.
Speaker 2: And about that time, I see my dad walking up
Speaker 2: the path and I'm my dad, real funny, real funny.
Speaker 2: He's like, what are you talking about. I go, Dad,
Speaker 2: you'll tied my boot. He's like, son, I didn't untie
Speaker 2: your boot. I go, Dad, you dig you'll tie my boot?
Speaker 2: Three times? And he's like, son, I'm coming up from
Speaker 2: the camp. There's no way in this whole thing transpired
Speaker 2: about thirty forty five minutes maybe tops right, And I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 2: you untie my boot. I know you did. I know
Speaker 2: it was you. You snuck around. He goes, son, I didn't,
Speaker 2: I go, Dad, you just untied it. You made a noise.
Speaker 2: He goes where I go over there, and so he's okay,
Speaker 2: he's stay put. So he goes and he starts looking
Speaker 2: around and I'm watching him. He's doing like a circle pattern,
Speaker 2: like a search. And he gets up to the woods
Speaker 2: behind the stand and he kneels down. He looks at something,
Speaker 2: and then I see my dad immediately take his rifle
Speaker 2: and put his rifle to ready. He like grabs his
Speaker 2: strap and he pulls it and tied into his shoulder.
Speaker 2: And my dad's a Vietnam Vet. My dad was a hunter,
Speaker 2: first Airborne. He was an EOD specialist. He was a
Speaker 2: tunnel rat, did a lot of point, you know, walking
Speaker 2: point when they were on patrol. So my dad was
Speaker 2: very very observative things, just super super observant of everything
Speaker 2: around him. And I see him bring his rifle to
Speaker 2: the ready and now he's scanning left or right and
Speaker 2: then back right to left, and he's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: he's like, Daniel, get out of the tree right now,
Speaker 2: get out of the stand and head back down towards
Speaker 2: the camp right now. I'm my dad was going on.
Speaker 2: He's like, just go do it now. He's I look
Speaker 2: real quick and he's backing up, but he's still facing
Speaker 2: the tree line and he goes, just go. He goes,
Speaker 2: I'll be right behind you, and he goes, don't walk,
Speaker 2: you need to run run down to the camp. So
Speaker 2: I'm with everything I got, I'm a hauling button back
Speaker 2: down and I stop every so often, and I see
Speaker 2: my dad he's coming back. He'd run, he'd stop and
Speaker 2: turn around, he'd scan and he take off runt and
Speaker 2: he's like, just go go go. Well, we get into
Speaker 2: the camp and we see my uncle come out of
Speaker 2: the tent and he's like, Darryl. He goes, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? He's like, what do you mean? He goes,
Speaker 2: why are you messing with danielized up in the stand.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't really talk about it. I just
Speaker 2: came back from my stand. He goes. He goes, it's
Speaker 2: getting too warm out here. You know, nothing, nothing's going
Speaker 2: to be nothing's going to be moving around. So so
Speaker 2: he's like, okay, well we just need to go. So
Speaker 2: they packed up, they packed up the camp and we left.
Speaker 2: Now to get to this camp, you had to drive
Speaker 2: like an hour and a half two hours, and he
Speaker 2: had to hike in for like about another hour, I
Speaker 2: want to say. And the second time we went to
Speaker 2: the camp, we had my dad, my uncle who's also
Speaker 2: Vietnam VET, his neighbor or friend named Frenchie, who was
Speaker 2: also a Vietnam Vet, two of his neighbors, so he
Speaker 2: had five adults, and he had me and my brother,
Speaker 2: and then each one of the neighbors brought one of
Speaker 2: their sons, so you had four kids and five adults.
Speaker 2: We had this giant canvas tent I was go an
Speaker 2: army tent that you could sleep like ten fifteen people
Speaker 2: in comfortably, and normally you'd have like a like a
Speaker 2: little woodbirding stove in the middle of this. That's how
Speaker 2: big this tent was. You had to bring everything in
Speaker 2: on like deer sleds or whatever. So everybody was carrying
Speaker 2: backpacks whatever they could. The kids didn't really carry a lot.
Speaker 2: The adults pulled all these you know, these sleds. They
Speaker 2: had everything packed on. They're real neat went in there,
Speaker 2: set everything up. You know. My uncle was like, hey,
Speaker 2: who wants to use some fishing? You know, we were
Speaker 2: fishing down in the stream that was close to the
Speaker 2: hunting camp. You could see, you know, it was like
Speaker 2: a rocky kind of like a small pebble, but sandy
Speaker 2: like beach, and the the part of the stream was
Speaker 2: right in front was really slow movie. So it was
Speaker 2: a good place to go swimming or fishing if you
Speaker 2: wanted to. My uncle say, hed he wanted to shoot
Speaker 2: shoot some guns. That's where I first shot a Rugo
Speaker 2: Super black Hawk forty four magnum. I was nine years
Speaker 2: old when that happened. It took us about fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: to find the gun because it flipped over my head
Speaker 2: when I shot it. Amazing time. They were shooting twenty
Speaker 2: twos and just having a good time. But when we
Speaker 2: shot the twenty two's, we heard this loud like yell,
Speaker 2: like I thought it was like a bear roar way
Speaker 2: off in the distance right, and didn't think anything of it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we caught fish, we ate, you know, we
Speaker 2: cleaned up all of our food stuffs were in bags
Speaker 2: and hanging up in a tree, probably about fifteen feet
Speaker 2: up into a tree over a limb. And you know,
Speaker 2: my dad had my uncle and my dad had tied
Speaker 2: him off real well. And my uncle was a in
Speaker 2: the navy and he rode on those patrol boats up
Speaker 2: and down the Macon Delta. He was like the front gunner.
Speaker 2: So they had like twin fifty cows or twin sixties
Speaker 2: or something, so that's what his his job was. So
Speaker 2: again this is another person who's really really observant, has
Speaker 2: to keen eye looking for stuff. French. She was a psycho,
Speaker 2: but he was also a Vietnam vett. And these guys,
Speaker 2: we had three bona fide warriors with us. We didn't
Speaker 2: really worry about nothing. So the first night everything went by,
Speaker 2: you know, pretty cool, no big deal. Hurt some something
Speaker 2: moving around around the camp and we're like, you know,
Speaker 2: what was that. I'm thinking it's a bear, No big deal.
Speaker 2: Second day goes out, you know, they see some tracks
Speaker 2: and stuff I see him talking about. I'm not thinking
Speaker 2: anything about I think what I see their bear tracks,
Speaker 2: No big deal. So, you know, we're goofing off again
Speaker 2: the next you know that that second day we're supposed
Speaker 2: to be outre for like four or five days. We're
Speaker 2: out there goofing off, fish and swimming, shooting bb you know,
Speaker 2: twenty twos again. And this time my dad and my
Speaker 2: uncle they split us up and they wanted to just
Speaker 2: show us the land. Hey, you know, if you guys
Speaker 2: ever lost, you find something like this, you know you
Speaker 2: can do this with it. You can do here, or
Speaker 2: if you get lost, you stay put where you are,
Speaker 2: you know you can use this to make a noise.
Speaker 2: They're they're trying to show some type of survivals. They
Speaker 2: want us to have a good time, but they want
Speaker 2: us to learn something. And so a second day we're shooting.
Speaker 2: We're shooting again, and this time we hear not like
Speaker 2: a bear roar, but we hear like a howl, but
Speaker 2: like with a scream attached to it. And it was
Speaker 2: closer this time. It wasn't often it is that this
Speaker 2: is closer. So I noticed the adults looking around and
Speaker 2: they're like, hey, you guys are getting late. You know,
Speaker 2: let's have some dinner. So we ate some dinner again,
Speaker 2: cleaned up, put everything up, and we're laying down. And
Speaker 2: how we all slept was the two neighbors and Frenchy
Speaker 2: were sleeping. If you're looking directly at the tent, they're
Speaker 2: sleeping on the left hand side of the tent, and
Speaker 2: the two neighbors, the two neighbors their sons are sleeping
Speaker 2: with them. And then it's me. It's my dad, me,
Speaker 2: my brother, and my uncle on the other side on
Speaker 2: the right hand side. And now we hear a lot
Speaker 2: of movement outside. We hear footsteps, we hear scuffling. We
Speaker 2: hear something getting into some of the stuff that we
Speaker 2: have left out. It's nothing like food or anything. It's
Speaker 2: just like pans and and you know, chairs or whatnot.
Speaker 2: And the stuff's moving around. We hear like like murmuring,
Speaker 2: like a you know, something like like talking. And then
Speaker 2: we hear something and I can fill it with each
Speaker 2: step walking around the tent. And when I look up,
Speaker 2: I see my dad as wide awake, and he's got
Speaker 2: his rifle. He had had Marlon Lever Action thirty thirty rifle.
Speaker 2: Frenchie was up. The other two guys were up, and
Speaker 2: my uncle were up, and they were all carrying either
Speaker 2: I had a handgun, cal handgun or a rifle. And
Speaker 2: I'm watching my dad and my dad is following whatever's
Speaker 2: walking around the tent as he's as he's going by,
Speaker 2: he's following it with his with his rifle. Frenching and
Speaker 2: my uncle are sitting in the middle of the tent,
Speaker 2: one's face in the front flap and one's face in
Speaker 2: the back flap, and if anything was going to come
Speaker 2: through that they were in trouble because those two were
Speaker 2: unloaded on them.
Speaker 1: Right big for society who would be right back after
Speaker 1: these messages.
Speaker 2: The other boys are sleeping, and I'm wondering what's going on,
Speaker 2: So I go to ask my dad a question. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to whisper to him, and about that time I
Speaker 2: hear something run by. But as it ran by, it
Speaker 2: sounded like claws raked across the whole side of the
Speaker 2: canvas tent and then over on the other side of
Speaker 2: the campas tip like. So it ran around, holding his
Speaker 2: left arm out and his hand out and just raking
Speaker 2: its claws all the way around the tent. And then
Speaker 2: after it did that. It was silent, like there was
Speaker 2: nothing else going on. It just got as silent as
Speaker 2: a morgue again. I could. I'm doing everything I can
Speaker 2: not to start screaming. My dad is holding me. He's
Speaker 2: got his hand over my mouth, so I wouldn't scream.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to sleep. For the rest of the night,
Speaker 2: it seemed like it was forever until sunlight came out.
Speaker 2: Birds started chirping. I watched Frenchie and my dad and
Speaker 2: my uncle or my French she and my uncle and
Speaker 2: the other two guys leave, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I hear my uncle Odean, you gotta come out here
Speaker 2: and see this. And I beat my dad outside the
Speaker 2: tent because if my dad has gets to see something cool,
Speaker 2: I want to see something cool, right. So I go
Speaker 2: running out and our food bags, there are three of them.
Speaker 2: They were all taken out of the tree. They were open,
Speaker 2: and anything that was not a can was gone completely gone.
Speaker 2: Chairs were messed up. We found stuff down by the river.
Speaker 2: Now I'm seeing giant like human sized footprints, probably seventeen
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen inches long, all over the place, and my
Speaker 2: Dad's like, let's go get the boys up. Let's pack up.
Speaker 2: We're getting out of here. So as we're getting everything ready,
Speaker 2: we hear this scream that came maybe one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred yards from the side one of the sides.
Speaker 2: If I'm thinking, if I remember the right hand side
Speaker 2: north southeast west, I couldn't. If I'm looking at the
Speaker 2: at the lake or at the stream, it's to our
Speaker 2: right hand side, the side where the tent is. It's
Speaker 2: like about one hundred and fifty two hundred yards away,
Speaker 2: and it is low, and you feel it come through
Speaker 2: the trees the scream. No one bothered to pack anything
Speaker 2: up neatly. They just threw things on the sleds. People
Speaker 2: were grabbing packs that didn't belong to them. And now
Speaker 2: we're running, we're taking off. We're going back up again.
Speaker 2: This is like an hour hike to this camping spot,
Speaker 2: to where we parked our trucks. It was my dad's truck,
Speaker 2: my uncle's truck, and Frenchy's truck. And when we started
Speaker 2: taking off, it was Frenchy in the front, then the
Speaker 2: two dads, then the four kids, and then my uncle
Speaker 2: Darryl and my dad bringing up the rear. And as
Speaker 2: we're going they're like you guys got to go faster.
Speaker 2: You guys gotta go faster. Well, my little brother and
Speaker 2: one of the other boys were younger than us. They
Speaker 2: wound up getting put on one of the sleds and
Speaker 2: the two the two other adults are just pulling my brother,
Speaker 2: my brother, and one of their sons as fast as
Speaker 2: they can. I've got my little brother's backpack in the
Speaker 2: front of me. I've got my backpack on the back
Speaker 2: of me, and I'm running with everything I got. I
Speaker 2: think I'm carrying something else. I don't really recall what
Speaker 2: it was, but we're making crazy time. But now you
Speaker 2: hear something tearing through the trees, and you can't really
Speaker 2: see it, but you can hear. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I hear my dad. My dad yells, I've got one
Speaker 2: over here on the left, and then I hear my
Speaker 2: uncle say, I just saw one over here on the right.
Speaker 2: And these guys are Jeremiah. These are two Vietnam vets.
Speaker 2: I've seen two sides of my uncle and two sides
Speaker 2: of my dad. I've seen the Happy Go Lucky, the
Speaker 2: joy you know, the Joys, you know guys, the Jokers,
Speaker 2: And that day I saw Dead Series, I saw two
Speaker 2: guys that were ready to throw down and just inflict
Speaker 2: a massive amount of pain and damage on whatever was
Speaker 2: after they went right back to Vietnam, and they're like,
Speaker 2: move and we're running as fast as we can. Now
Speaker 2: they're not saying, you know, they're not saying what they're seeing.
Speaker 2: They're just saying, I've got one on the left, I
Speaker 2: got one on the right. We get running. We come
Speaker 2: up and I can see where we've got to go,
Speaker 2: up this little hill and then up to the street,
Speaker 2: up to the road. This is logging road. We go up.
Speaker 2: They're already throwing things and trucks as they go. Whatever
Speaker 2: truck is closest is getting something thrown into the back
Speaker 2: of it. My brother runs, he gets in the middle truck.
Speaker 2: I think it was my uncle's truck. I jump into
Speaker 2: the back of my dad's truck. Everybody is just jumping
Speaker 2: in the closest vehicle they can get into. That isn't
Speaker 2: all be full again the old you pull down the visor,
Speaker 2: the keys fall out. That's what was the scenario there.
Speaker 2: Guys are getting in the trucks, are starting them up.
Speaker 2: My uncle all of a sudden he just throws the
Speaker 2: sled that he had threw it up over. It almost
Speaker 2: landed on me. Because I'm in the bed of the truck.
Speaker 2: I see my dad run by. He gets in the
Speaker 2: bed of the truck that's in the middle, I believe
Speaker 2: my uncle's truck. My uncle Daryl jumps in the back
Speaker 2: of our truck, the truck that I'm in, and they
Speaker 2: just say go, go, go, and they start taking off
Speaker 2: and they are going like a bat out of hell.
Speaker 2: When I'm sorry to cuss, that's what they were doing.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, my uncle just starts unmoving. Bang
Speaker 2: bang bang bang. He's got a lever action as well.
Speaker 2: My dad boom boom boom, he's just rocking and rolling.
Speaker 2: About that time, I look up and I see this
Speaker 2: branch that was or this stick or whatever, and it
Speaker 2: was probably eight feet long and maybe three inches around.
Speaker 2: It came selling from the woods through the air, and
Speaker 2: it almost hit the the front end of my dad's truck.
Speaker 2: It barely missed a front the front end of my
Speaker 2: dad's truck. And they we just gassed it and we
Speaker 2: never went back to the hunting camp.
Speaker 1: Holy macrel that and that. So that happened years before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the other goodness, But again, I didn't really know
Speaker 2: what was. I didn't know what it was. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that could have been a And again, to this day,
Speaker 2: I'm still not saying what was messing with my boot
Speaker 2: and what placed us out of the woods. I'm not
Speaker 2: here to tell you that one was a big foot.
Speaker 2: I'm not because I didn't see it. I saw tracks,
Speaker 2: I heard noises. I've heard I've seen tracks and heard
Speaker 2: noises that if you look at any video on YouTube
Speaker 2: or listen to any podcast, it's all conclusive with what
Speaker 2: a sasquatch. But I didn't see it. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And then when you were twelve, you actually saw it.
Speaker 2: I know what I saw exactly. I know what I saw.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, dude, So having a good I'm sure
Speaker 1: that you you've had this internal thought over the years.
Speaker 1: What do you think it is that we're looking at
Speaker 1: when we look at something like what you saw when
Speaker 1: you're twelve, do you think it's an animal or or
Speaker 1: some kind of human relative or.
Speaker 2: You know now that I mean now that I'm I'm
Speaker 2: a co host on a podcast, and I've researched so
Speaker 2: many stories that have heard so many stories and on
Speaker 2: my own before I was a co host on the
Speaker 2: podcast Searching and Watching Things. You know one my host
Speaker 2: Josh him and I completely disagree on what these things are.
Speaker 2: I know for a fact one in my heart that
Speaker 2: what I've seen in experience was one hundred percent flesh
Speaker 2: and blood. To put a label, is it type of
Speaker 2: a relic human? Is it an undiscovered you know, North
Speaker 2: American ape? I don't know. I want to tend more
Speaker 2: towards maybe a hybrid, maybe more of a relic humanoid
Speaker 2: human because the intelligence is there. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: apes and chimps are not intelligent, because I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's been documented that chimpanzees will use weapons. Chimpanzees
Speaker 2: use will use tools, you know, they use things to
Speaker 2: manipulate certain things. So the intelligence is still there. With
Speaker 2: a primate, I just really can't. I can't. It's in it,
Speaker 2: It's in its own boss, really is it? Is it
Speaker 2: off the same tree as a human? Maybe?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Daniel one thing for sure. Whatever it is,
Speaker 1: it's intense and it is very smart. And I've not
Speaker 1: had a visual yet, but the screen, We've got a
Speaker 1: big storm outside, the roar in the roar scream. I
Speaker 1: experienced that in Oregon, way out in the woods. I
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. And dude, it's a smart animal.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it's I personally think it's a some
Speaker 1: kind of physical creature that can do a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that science can't explain yet, and who knows where
Speaker 1: that's going to lead. Let's let's talk about Mysteries Unknown
Speaker 1: for a little bit. Sure, so you're your co host
Speaker 1: with John it's also a great dude, have there been
Speaker 1: any really interesting accounts that you that come to mind
Speaker 1: when you think of that? I mean, you've done multiple
Speaker 1: episodes and you've got already quite a following over there.
Speaker 1: It's a YouTube channel. Mystery is Unknown, And are there
Speaker 1: any any accounts that that stick out to you among
Speaker 1: the episodes that you've done so far?
Speaker 2: You know, there there's there's actually quite a few that
Speaker 2: read me dumbfounded, you know, And I won't say because
Speaker 2: I never experienced it, And it's it's really odd that
Speaker 2: you know, we're just picking up a lot of traffic
Speaker 2: with dog Man right now, which I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I think I tend
Speaker 2: to agree with the Josh. More about this is that
Speaker 2: they're evil. They have no good intention. I've heard way
Speaker 2: too many stories about them. I don't think i've ever
Speaker 2: seen one. I've had an a which I can't I
Speaker 2: can't roll it out. I was up in the up
Speaker 2: in Michigan and my wife and I were coming home
Speaker 2: and we were just we were just west of Escanaba,
Speaker 2: like just hardly out of town, and it was probably
Speaker 2: one or two in the morning, was super, super foggy,
Speaker 2: and I turned my driving lights on, like my fog
Speaker 2: lights on, and I see something moving from the right
Speaker 2: side of the road, like not quick, just slowly walking
Speaker 2: across the street. And I kind of slowed down and
Speaker 2: my lights hit it, and Jeremiah, this was the biggest,
Speaker 2: darkest wolf I have ever seen in my life. I
Speaker 2: have never seen a wolf this big in my life.
Speaker 2: If I would have driven, if i'd have drove, excuse,
Speaker 2: I would have drove my truck up to this wolf.
Speaker 2: And it just stood there and looked at me. It
Speaker 2: very well could arrested its chin on the hood of
Speaker 2: my truck. And I drive. I drive a four wheel
Speaker 2: drive twenty fourteen Chevy S ten Crew cab Z seventy
Speaker 2: one miles, all right, And there's no doubt in my
Speaker 2: mind if if I would have pulled right to that wolf,
Speaker 2: he would have put his chin up and rested his
Speaker 2: chin and would have been looking right at me with
Speaker 2: his with his with his head on the hood of
Speaker 2: my truck. And then he just kind of stopped. So
Speaker 2: I slowed down and I almost came to stop, and
Speaker 2: he kind of just very slowly kind of slowed down,
Speaker 2: and then he kind of looked at me and he
Speaker 2: just kept walking straight, just kept walking to the left
Speaker 2: and just kept his eye on me, and then just
Speaker 2: peered off into the woods. Now I didn't think anything
Speaker 2: about this, so I went on Google Maps, probably three
Speaker 2: or four months ago, and I know exactly where I
Speaker 2: saw this. I saw this wolf, and I looked at
Speaker 2: the Google Maps, and I'll be darned if there was
Speaker 2: not a cemetery where this thing was coming out of
Speaker 2: Man and it just walked across the street and off
Speaker 2: into the woods, and I couldn't get out of there
Speaker 2: fast enough. So you ask me if there's anything any
Speaker 2: any episodes that stand out, and it's our dog Man episodes.
Speaker 2: I mean they are. We just had one recently posted
Speaker 2: up there or this guy to this day, he shot
Speaker 2: one that looked like a fox when he was out
Speaker 2: hunting as a kid, and he said, he saw this fox,
Speaker 2: he raised his rifle or his his shotgun, and in
Speaker 2: his mind he heard don't and then he shot, and
Speaker 2: then he heard shoot me.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: WHOA. And he says, to this day, this dog man
Speaker 2: is following him wherever he goes. This dog man has
Speaker 2: has used mind speak, as he describes it, and has
Speaker 2: told him when it is given the okay to do so,
Speaker 2: it's going to kill him, the man said the dog
Speaker 2: man man. The dog man told this guy, when I'm
Speaker 2: given the okay, I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 1: I'm bro that okay. One that that stuff freaks me out.
Speaker 1: So the dog man stuff is freaky to me. That
Speaker 1: mind speaks stuff to me is even more freaky because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Who's to say, you can't prove that
Speaker 1: it's dog man or it's Bigfoot. And I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to get flak for this, but it's like, dude,
Speaker 1: I think, I think. I don't know what I think yet, Daniel,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that stuff scares me to death,
Speaker 1: because what if it's not Bigfoot, what if it's not
Speaker 1: dog Man, what if it's something else? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: Stands out You're saying, well, let me ask you. Do
Speaker 2: you believe an infrasound?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I do.
Speaker 2: I do as well. And I've been thinking about it
Speaker 2: as i've been talking to you, and I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: ahead and let you in on the last experience that
Speaker 2: I had. All I'm gonna say is it happened in
Speaker 2: Shelby County, Tennessee. It happened in ninety two. I was
Speaker 2: home on leave from Germany. I'm an Air Force veteran.
Speaker 2: I was Air Force Security Police officer. And my brother,
Speaker 2: my brother, my brother was this is my best friend,
Speaker 2: my absolute You know, you grow up and you have
Speaker 2: friends and say, yeah, that guy's my best friend, or
Speaker 2: I still haven't gotten over his death. And he passed
Speaker 2: away in twenty sixteen. So he graduated high school in
Speaker 2: ninety two, and our grandfather had just passed away, And
Speaker 2: so I came home on a burnt sea leave and
Speaker 2: I wanted to surprise him that I was coming home.
Speaker 2: One thing we like to do, we loved just hanging
Speaker 2: out with each other. It didn't matter. I'd get in
Speaker 2: my car, he'd get in his car, you know, whichever
Speaker 2: whoever wanted to drive, and we would just go. And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you all over the South, him and I
Speaker 2: We've been all over the South just to go out
Speaker 2: and drive. Didn't matter. We'd pull inside the road and
Speaker 2: we'd sleep. We'd have enough money, we'd get a little
Speaker 2: small hotel room and we'd just rack out and then
Speaker 2: we'd just go exploring around. It didn't matter. We'd be
Speaker 2: gone sometimes for weekends at a time, you know, with he,
Speaker 2: like on a Friday, we'd be home. On a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: we want to go camp. And it's something we did
Speaker 2: a lot when we were little. And he said, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go to this one spot. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: not a problem. And the spot butts up against the
Speaker 2: Mississippi River. So you know, we get a little packs
Speaker 2: and you know, our canteens, and you know, we had
Speaker 2: like our little two person tents. Now, you know, he
Speaker 2: was a big boy, six one six ' two about
Speaker 2: three point fifteen, you know, and I'm like five nine,
Speaker 2: like one eighty and so a two man tent, you know,
Speaker 2: wouldn't do. So we had this four man tent, which really,
Speaker 2: with the size of both of us in there was
Speaker 2: actually a two man tent. What do you think about
Speaker 2: with our sleeping bags and stuff. So we were packing
Speaker 2: pretty light. This was late May, early June, so we
Speaker 2: were packing pretty light. We didn't really have to worry
Speaker 2: about staying warm because you know, down south it's it
Speaker 2: gets pretty warm. And so we go and we park.
Speaker 2: There's like a visitor center there. So we go and park,
Speaker 2: and he's driving his seventy six Lincoln Continental, baby blue
Speaker 2: with a white top. He called it the stink and Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Then we go and there's whereas we park, we start
Speaker 2: walking down this road and there's a path that goes
Speaker 2: off into the woods. So we take the path and
Speaker 2: then he's like, well, hey, let's let's go this way.
Speaker 2: Let's go off this path, and he goes, I know,
Speaker 2: there's an area over here, further down, almost right on
Speaker 2: the river. It's got a nice sandbar pretty close to it.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm like, hey, yeah, let's go, let's do it.
Speaker 2: So we take off and we're probably walking maybe about
Speaker 2: an hour, and he's like, man, I gotta go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom. And so he stops and he starts going
Speaker 2: to the bathroom and I hear this whistle and I
Speaker 2: going to ask hi if he heard that. He goes, man,
Speaker 2: what are you whistling? He goes, what do you like?
Speaker 2: Go bro, wasn't I didn't whistle? And so he finishes
Speaker 2: up and we start going down and down towards again,
Speaker 2: and also he just stops. He says, did you hear that?
Speaker 2: And I go, I go, know, what, what what do
Speaker 2: you mean? Did you hear that? And I go know,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I hear someone walking. Now, if you
Speaker 2: if spending time in the woods, you know what a
Speaker 2: squirrel sounds like. You know, you know what a deer
Speaker 2: sounds like. You know, you know what these sounds are.
Speaker 2: You know what a four legged animal sounds like. You
Speaker 2: know what a two legged person or animal sounds like.
Speaker 2: And it's definitely bipedal. And he's like, man, I don't
Speaker 2: have a good feeling. I let's get out of here.
Speaker 2: Let's get out of here. I'm like, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, So we turn around, we started walking back
Speaker 2: says man, we got to go now. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: dark by the time we get back to the car.
Speaker 2: So because let's just go. So we turn around, we
Speaker 2: start heading back, and well, I got to go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom. So I start to go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: and I'm just getting ready to start and he, out
Speaker 2: of nowhere just pulls me like out of the way,
Speaker 2: and this stick or branch comes sailing through and hits
Speaker 2: the tree right where my head would have been. And
Speaker 2: he's like, dude, we gotta go. And he goes, I
Speaker 2: just saw something, Like what do you mean? He goes,
Speaker 2: he just saw something peek around from that tree over there,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, let's go, man. So we start going
Speaker 2: and we're huffinged and just out of nowhere, it's just
Speaker 2: like he just like stops and he puts his hand
Speaker 2: on a tree. He's like, man, I don't feel good,
Speaker 2: and it almost buckled into his knees, Like he just
Speaker 2: almost went to his knees, like, man, I don't feel
Speaker 2: Guys to here, man, he get a drink of water. Here,
Speaker 2: drink some water. So he's trying to get some water
Speaker 2: and he's trying to get his composure with himself. He's like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm feeling you know. He goes, man, I just don't
Speaker 2: feel guys, feels sick and I go here, Man, here,
Speaker 2: drink some more water. He goes, man, I got a headache.
Speaker 2: And I go here. I sit here, just take some
Speaker 2: deep breaths. Here, drink some water. So he drink some water.
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, we gotta go. We gotta go. So
Speaker 2: I start going. All of a sudden, I get that.
Speaker 2: I get hit and I'm like, man, I said, whatever
Speaker 2: you just went through, you just gave it to me.
Speaker 2: And I started feeling really nauseous. It's so much that
Speaker 2: I actually went down to a knee and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't feel that. And then the headache hit me
Speaker 2: and I'm like, bro, I go I can't get my bearings,
Speaker 2: you know. And he's like, get up, get up, we
Speaker 2: gotta go. We gotta go. I just saw something again.
Speaker 2: I just saw something again. And we start moving and
Speaker 2: we're moving, we're hauling, but we come through this trail
Speaker 2: and we see the main trail. Now we know, once
Speaker 2: we hit this main trail, we're not far away. We're
Speaker 2: maybe one hundred and fifty yards two hundred yards to
Speaker 2: the main asphalt road. So we start going and my
Speaker 2: brother is gassed. He is he's just gassed. And I'm
Speaker 2: like come on, man, come on, come on, he goes, Man,
Speaker 2: you're in better shape than me. You just go. I said, oh,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go, let's go. So we get up
Speaker 2: to the main road and I'm facing where our car is,
Speaker 2: and I've got the keys to his car too, to
Speaker 2: his car, and I'm looking you look down the road
Speaker 2: and it's got like a bend in the road that
Speaker 2: goes to the right. And he's looking at me, and
Speaker 2: he's looking at you know, the road behind me, and
Speaker 2: he goes, bro, I just saw across the street. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna cry. I'm not gonna cry. And he's like, man,
Speaker 2: just go, just go. Yeh, he goes, I can't go anymore. Man,
Speaker 2: He goes, I can't go. I'm gassed. And I go, man,
Speaker 2: come on, let's go. Let's go, and he goes. He goes, no,
Speaker 2: just he goes, tell mom my lover. He goes, just
Speaker 2: go get out of here. I know you'll be able
Speaker 2: to get to the car before me. And I slapped
Speaker 2: him as hard as I could, and I'm like, man, no,
Speaker 2: you take off. Go give me your knife. You know.
Speaker 2: I had a straight edge, almost like a k bar knife,
Speaker 2: and he had a really large lock blade, and I
Speaker 2: grabbed his knife from him. I said, I got this.
Speaker 2: I said, go, I'll catch up with you. Just go.
Speaker 2: I know I can catch up to you. And so
Speaker 2: he takes off at a dead run, and I'm standing
Speaker 2: there and I'm like, come on, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 2: You want some of this, Let's go. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: I'm saying other things, but i can't recall everything. And
Speaker 2: I was saying, but I know that's the effect, the
Speaker 2: fact that I was saying. I was like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's go. You know you're not going to get my
Speaker 2: little brother, you know. And I hear my brother go,
Speaker 2: come on, come on, come on, and I look and
Speaker 2: he's just getting ready to go around the bend. So
Speaker 2: I take off at a dead sprint. And when I'm
Speaker 2: running as harder and as fast as I can, I
Speaker 2: hear something like a freight train just bulldozing right through
Speaker 2: the woods. It's right on my right hand side. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is moving, and I go, Bobby, go go go. Well,
Speaker 2: he gets up to the car and I try to
Speaker 2: dukes some hazard across the hood of the car. I
Speaker 2: don't land the I don't I don't stick the landing.
Speaker 2: I land on my back. The backpack I had on
Speaker 2: saved me because it didn't I didn't knock any of
Speaker 2: the air out of me. I jumped back up, was
Speaker 2: able to get the key in, hit the unlocked button.
Speaker 2: My brother jumps in and I put it in. I
Speaker 2: started the car. I put it a verse that I'm
Speaker 2: I'm rolling and he's like, go, go go. It's right there.
Speaker 2: It's right there. I can see it's in the it's
Speaker 2: in the trees. It's chasing it. It's right there, right there.
Speaker 2: And my brother's like, come on, please go faster, go faster.
Speaker 2: He's like, Daniel, just go, just go. And I just
Speaker 2: mash the gas as hard as I can and the
Speaker 2: engine kicks in and we start taking off. He's like,
Speaker 2: it's still, it's right there, it's right with us. And
Speaker 2: we come up to a t and I locked the brakes.
Speaker 2: I cranked the wheel to the to the left. We
Speaker 2: fishtail out and I just take off and that's the
Speaker 2: last time we were in that area.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Wow, I'm sorry. Damn, I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: lost your brother. You can tell you guys, had you
Speaker 1: had a special special connection.
Speaker 2: H m hm oh man, he would he should call
Speaker 2: me so many patch he would be he would be
Speaker 2: clown to be so bad right now, the baby white crying,
Speaker 2: Oh I'm missing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll see him again someday, man.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, yeah, I know I will. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that was the that's that's pretty much the
Speaker 2: last time I've ever been deep in He would like that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I was going to ask if if this
Speaker 1: is a thing where you know now that you're you're
Speaker 1: getting into the show with with Josh and in your start,
Speaker 1: I know, you're you go deep with with researching different things,
Speaker 1: if if you've gotten to the point where you start
Speaker 1: to go into it, it's not a thing for you.
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, you know, it's it's it's a
Speaker 2: lot of times when I'm doing research, I've got to
Speaker 2: stop and just walk away from it for a little
Speaker 2: bit because it brings it back, you know, and then
Speaker 2: it just makes me take, you know, stock of my
Speaker 2: life and and you know, I've got three grand babies now,
Speaker 2: and you know, three kids and a beautiful wife, and
Speaker 2: you know, I don't go out and do the crazy
Speaker 2: things like I used to. I used to just go
Speaker 2: for days, sometimes weeks off into the woods, and just
Speaker 2: do my own thing, you know. Yeah, And I just
Speaker 2: I just I just don't. I just don't. You know.
Speaker 2: It's I'm more hyper alert, more hyper aware of my surroundings.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't pigeonhole myself into certain things. I don't.
Speaker 2: I avoid areas and situations at all possible. I carry
Speaker 2: everywhere I go. You know, it's better to have and
Speaker 2: not need than need not have, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And it's it puts you in an interesting
Speaker 1: situation where you've had these things happened to you in
Speaker 1: the past, and you're able to relate to you know,
Speaker 1: if you are to interview someone about a big foot site,
Speaker 1: you're you're able to relate about you know, the emotions
Speaker 1: they went through and how it probably you know, gets
Speaker 1: replayed over and over in your mind or you know,
Speaker 1: different things like that. Big for society who will be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages? And I think that's really special.
Speaker 1: It's the thing where I'm just starting to experience that
Speaker 1: myself because I'm going out to different places. But what
Speaker 1: is you know, speaking of mysteries unknown, what is the
Speaker 1: main goal that you guys have with that channel.
Speaker 2: Well, with mysteries unknown. You know, Josh created it and
Speaker 2: I'm champion it as well. You know, we just want
Speaker 2: a safe space for people to go if they've had
Speaker 2: an encounter, they had something they can't explain, and they
Speaker 2: want to be able to let it off their chest.
Speaker 2: You know, they want to be able to get that
Speaker 2: off their chest and hopefully have other people relate to them.
Speaker 2: You know, I I monitor the chat on each one
Speaker 2: of the episodes, during and even after they're posting. You know,
Speaker 2: we do a live and then when we post a
Speaker 2: live or post or Josh post an episode. You know,
Speaker 2: I understand, and I'm guilty of this. I'm very very
Speaker 2: I look at things. I scrutinize everything, I really do it.
Speaker 2: I think that's just my military background, me being a
Speaker 2: police officer in the military, then being a crutch officer
Speaker 2: for the State of Tennessee for two years, and then
Speaker 2: doing private security and things like that. You know, I'm very,
Speaker 2: very cynical in a way that when I listen to
Speaker 2: someone's account, you know, I give everybody the benefit of
Speaker 2: the doubt, and I do not like it when people
Speaker 2: go on and just openly and blatantly just say this
Speaker 2: person's full of crap. This person's lying, this person's bs.
Speaker 2: I don't believe nothing they're saying, this person's a jokester
Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, because here's the thing, I don't
Speaker 2: know everybody's story. I don't know their experiences. I wasn't
Speaker 2: there on the ground with them. Now, well, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, we've had we've had a guest on and
Speaker 2: you've had a guest on your show that you know,
Speaker 2: they've mentioned stuff when it comes to the military, and
Speaker 2: I'm very critical to that. One of the guests did
Speaker 2: the exact same thing I did in the in the
Speaker 2: Air Force, and I called shenanigans on a part of
Speaker 2: his story because I know the rules and regulations, I
Speaker 2: know they operate procedures, I know all of that, and
Speaker 2: that person was, I think, telling a story. And then
Speaker 2: you know, I had a person on there and I
Speaker 2: called the person out on you know, I didn't say
Speaker 2: you're a liar, but I said, you know, I got questions,
Speaker 2: you know, And I've actually had conversations with that person.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually following their channel too, because I like
Speaker 2: their channel. It's it's pretty interesting. So but you know,
Speaker 2: still it's it's I just want to protect people's story.
Speaker 2: I just want to protect them. I want them to
Speaker 2: understand that, you know, there are people out there that
Speaker 2: have experienced similar things, if not the same thing, and
Speaker 2: it's a safe space for them to come. And that's
Speaker 2: what Josh Josh is very very very passionate about. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a safe space for everybody to to let everybody know, Hey,
Speaker 2: I did have this issue, and I don't know where
Speaker 2: to go. I'm afraid to say anything to anybody. I
Speaker 2: just need to know am I crazy or did I
Speaker 2: see what I saw? Or did I experience what I experienced?
Speaker 2: And we want them to know that, hey, you can
Speaker 2: come here and you're safe. I love that.
Speaker 1: It's it's very close to what guides me. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I like about your channel is that, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't just stick to Bigfoot. You're throwing every all
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff in there. As you were mentioning before,
Speaker 1: You've got the dog Man episodes, and a lot of
Speaker 1: my listeners are like, get into dog Man. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sticking to big Foot. If it comes
Speaker 1: up organically, then yeah, we'll do it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the great thing about your channel is that it's got
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff for all sorts of people over there,
Speaker 1: So definitely listeners will want to check it out. The
Speaker 1: link is going to be in the show notes and
Speaker 1: they can subscribe and all that good stuff. But Daniel,
Speaker 1: it has been such a awesome chat with you. I'm
Speaker 1: glad we're finally able to get you on the show.
Speaker 1: And thank you so much for sharing your stories. Your
Speaker 1: accounts that I know are are very near and dear
Speaker 1: to your heart, and I really appreciate you doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, I just want to let you know if
Speaker 2: it's okay. I mentioned you earlier. Earlier today, I started
Speaker 2: my own podcast, heck you, and it's called The Paranormal
Speaker 2: Narrative Podcast that's on YouTube. I've only got one episode
Speaker 2: on there so far, and I dive into everything that's paranormal, supernatural,
Speaker 2: ghostly hauntings, things like that. I'm going to try to
Speaker 2: stay away from Bigfoot dog Man that type of stuff
Speaker 2: because that's Josh's you know, that's his thing, and him
Speaker 2: and I were a team. You know. People have called
Speaker 2: this to the Dynamic Duo and and I'm truly blessed
Speaker 2: to have him in my life as my friend and
Speaker 2: my brother, you know, and you know, because of him,
Speaker 2: I met you and found you. Actually, I was listening
Speaker 2: to you before I even even met Josh. So dang, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been. I've been. Yeah, I came across you. I came,
Speaker 2: I go listen to this guy. Listen, listen how he talks.
Speaker 2: I love that Kadi is how he talks. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks, thanks Daniel, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And you know, I'm just trying to work.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to work, you know, work behind the
Speaker 2: scenes and get Josh some pretty good interviews. And Josh
Speaker 2: has done so much for me. And Josh is, like
Speaker 2: you said, he is such a great guy. He honestly, man,
Speaker 2: he's helping fill that void of my little brother being gone.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's that top every single day times of day. Man.
Speaker 2: And I tell my love him. He's my brother. I'm
Speaker 2: blessed to have him in my life. I just want
Speaker 2: to I just I I succeed when he succeeded. That's
Speaker 2: whay I look at. I want to do as much
Speaker 2: for him as I possibly can.
Speaker 1: So that's special. Yeah, Daniel, thank you. I'm going to
Speaker 1: have both both shows. In the show notes that down
Speaker 1: the description, people can check out. But you guys are
Speaker 1: doing great. I'm I'm a fan of what you guys
Speaker 1: are doing myself. I try to catch everyone that I can,
Speaker 1: and uh, thank you so much for coming on, Daniel.
Speaker 2: Dude, I was, I was. I was surprised that you
Speaker 2: wanted me on, and I'm very honored to be on
Speaker 2: your show. Man, I mean you you are. And I
Speaker 2: call it my Monday I call it my Monday Morning
Speaker 2: mix up. You know, it's it's you, It's Sasquatch Chronicles,
Speaker 2: It's Josh Nice, Sasquatch Odyssey. You know. So, I mean
Speaker 2: I I for probably five hours of my my day
Speaker 2: is spent listening to you guys.
Speaker 1: That's a good group to be in. A thank you, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Man.
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Speaker 2: Her and I can get on here. We can tell
Speaker 2: our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's
Speaker 2: too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give
Speaker 2: them the courage to come out. And now it feels
Speaker 2: so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks. I
Speaker 2: know what I saw, I know what's out there. That's
Speaker 2: all I care about. Please let people know, Please let
Speaker 2: them know.
Speaker 1: If you've ever seen one.
Speaker 2: Of these things, you need to tell because if you don't,
Speaker 2: then shame on you. You know, Shame on you, no