WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.719 You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton. 2 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:20.000 Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you. Thanks once again 3 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:24.760 for joining me on Everything out There Tonight. Our guest 4 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:29.359 is Tattooed Biker from the YouTube channel Tattooed Biker. Unexplained 5 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:33.000 in the interview, we're going to talk about some haunting 6 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.240 tales and spooky legends of North Carolina, where he was 7 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:41.759 originally from. Now. North Carolina, with its rich history and 8 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.679 diverse landscapes, has been a breeding ground for eerie folklore 9 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:49.200 and spine chilling legends that have been passed down their generations. 10 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:54.280 From the miscovered mountains to the haunted coastal plains, North 11 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.719 Carolina is steeped in stories that send shivers down the 12 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:01.759 spines of those who dare to listen. In this interview 13 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.480 will deve into some of these haunting tales that have 14 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:09.239 woven themselves into the fabric of North Carolina's folklore. A 15 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:11.879 few of them are the Brown Mountain Lights, which we 16 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:16.040 speak about. Nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains, Brown Mountain 17 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.439 has been the stage for one of North Carolina's most 18 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:23.599 enduring mysteries, the Brown Mountain Lights. For centuries, locals and 19 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.840 visitors alike have reported witnessing unexplained lights dancing in the 20 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:31.319 night sky. Now legends suggests that these spectral lights are 21 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:35.719 the souls of ancient Cherokee warriors still wandering the mountain side. 22 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.079 Others believed to be the latterns of ghostly Confederate soldiers 23 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:46.079 searching for lost comrades. Despite numerous investigations, the origin of 24 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.920 the Brown Mountain lights remain elusive, contributing to the mountain's 25 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.400 eerie reputation. I've seen these lights myself on several occasions, 26 00:01:54.719 --> 00:02:01.319 and I have no rational explanation. Another in North Carolina 27 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.760 is the Maco Light. In the coastal town of Maco, 28 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:09.199 a railroad worker named Joe Baldwin met a tragic end 29 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.360 in the late eighteen hundreds. Legend has it that he 30 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.879 was decapitated in a railway accident while trying to warn 31 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.000 an oncoming train of a washed out track. The locals 32 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:23.120 claim that Baldwin's ghost, carrying a lantern in search of 33 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.280 his missing head, can be seen along the tracks at night. 34 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.280 The mysterious light known as the Maco Light, has been 35 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:36.360 a source of fascination and fear for generations, drawing curious 36 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.639 onlookers hoping to catch a glimpse of the wondering spirit. 37 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:45.599 Another place we talked about is the Devil's Tramping Ground 38 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:49.599 or the Devil's stomping Ground. Nestled in the woods near 39 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:53.159 the town of Silas City is a mysterious and unsettling 40 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.280 place known as the Devil's Tramping Ground. Now, the legend 41 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.199 tells of a barren, circular patch of land about fourty 42 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:04.560 feet or so where nothing grows. It said that this 43 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.240 is the spot where the devil himself paces in circles, 44 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:12.800 plotting his sinister schemes to foil mankind. Locals claim that 45 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:16.599 anything left within the circle overnight will be mysteriously mood 46 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:21.240 by mourning. Some even believe the devil's presence prevents plant 47 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:24.599 life from growing, while others warned that spending a night 48 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:29.800 within the circle invites the devil's influence into one's life. 49 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.240 Another mysterious legend from North Carolina is the Gray Man 50 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:39.080 of Polly's Island. Along the shores of Polly's Island, a 51 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:42.280 spectral figure known as the Gray Man has said appear 52 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.919 as a harbinger of impending storms. Now, according to legend, 53 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.080 the Gray Man is the ghost of a young man 54 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.240 who died at a shipwreck on his way to business Beyonce. 55 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.520 The story goes that he appears on the beach to 56 00:03:55.599 --> 00:03:59.080 warn residents of the approaching danger, providing them with a 57 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.319 chance to evacuate before the storm hits. And if you've 58 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.400 ever seen one of those storms in the outer banks, 59 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.960 they are spectacular. Those who claim to have seen the 60 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.639 Gray Man insists that he is a benevolent spirit, offering 61 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:19.079 protection to those who heed his spectral warning. Another strange 62 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.839 legend from North Carolina is the legend of the Vampire 63 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:28.040 Beast of Bladenborough. In the nineteen fifties, the small town 64 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.480 of Bladenborough was gripped by fear as reports circulated of 65 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:36.240 a mysterious creature which attacked local pets and livestock. Some 66 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.839 described it as a large, panther like creature with glowing 67 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.360 red eyes. The Vampire Beast of Bladenborough, whatever it was, 68 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:49.560 left a trail of unease in its wake. Residents were terrified, 69 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.480 and local hunters set out to capture the creature. However, 70 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:58.279 despite their best efforts, the true identity and nature of 71 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:02.279 the beast remained elusive, leaving the town haunted by the 72 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:06.839 memory of the vampire beasts that prowded streets. Now there 73 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.920 is also the legend of the Dismal Swamp. The Great 74 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:13.839 Dismal Swamp, which straddles the border between North Carolina and Virginia, 75 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.079 is shrouded in a history of mystery and folklore. The 76 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.879 swamp's dense vegetation and murky waters have fueled tales of 77 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:26.279 ghostly apparitions and other worldly encounters. Some stories speak of 78 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.360 phantom lantern lights leading wonders deeper into the swamp, while 79 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.759 others tell the spirits of escaped slaves seeking refuge during 80 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:38.680 the Antebellum period. The Dismal Swamp, with its eerie ambiance, 81 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.720 remains a place where reality blurs with the supernatural, leaving 82 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:48.480 visitors with an unsettling sense of the unknown. And then 83 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.720 there is the ghost Ship of Ochercoke, part of the 84 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:54.680 Outer Banks. A favorite place of mine to visit is 85 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:57.959 the location of Okuercoke Island, which is home to the 86 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:01.720 chilling tale of the ghost ship known as the Carol A. Dearing. 87 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:06.399 In nineteen twenty one, this five masted schooner ran aground 88 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:10.240 without a soul on board. The crew had vanished, leaving 89 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:14.399 behind only cryptic messages and signs of a struggle. Locals 90 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.000 believed that the ghostly apparitions of the crew still haunked 91 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:21.480 the shores of Ocracoke, forever trapped in a spectral limbo. 92 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.399 The mystery of the Carol A Dearing has fueled speculation 93 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.399 and ghostly sightings, making it one of North Carolina's most 94 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:34.040 enduring maritime legends. And then who could forget the legend 95 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:37.480 of the Moon eight People. In the misty mountains of 96 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:41.160 western North Carolina, there exists the legends of a mysterious 97 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:46.279 race known as the Moon Eyed People. According to Cherokee folklore, 98 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:52.399 these beings had pale, moonlike eyes and lived underground. The 99 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:55.160 Moon Eighted People were said to be peace loving, but 100 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.959 their existence was threatened by the arrival of the Cherokee. 101 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.959 As tensions rose, the Moon eight People vanished into the mountains, 102 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.399 leaving behind only the echoes of their enigmatic presence. Some 103 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:10.120 believe that their spirits still linger in their remote corners 104 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:14.279 of the Appalachians, guarding the secrets of their ancient civilization. 105 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:21.240 There's also the haunting of the Grove park In, Nestled 106 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:24.199 in the Blue Ridge Mountains, The historic Grove park In 107 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:28.480 is known for its luxurious accommodations and stunning views. However, 108 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:33.160 some visitors have reported encounters with supernatural entities within its walls. 109 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.480 The Pink Lady, a ghostly figure dressed in pink a 110 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:40.519 cent of rome, the n's hallways, leaving behind the scent 111 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.160 of her flowery perfume. Some believe she's the spirit of 112 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.959 a young woman who tragically filled her death from a balcony, 113 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.279 while others suggest she's the lovelorn guest who never checked out. 114 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:54.920 The ghostly presence of the Pink Lady adds an extra 115 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.279 layer of intrigue to the already rich history of the 116 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:05.839 grow Park. In another Cherokee legend from North Carolina is 117 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:10.000 the Wampus Cat. Deep in the heart of Cherokee folklore 118 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.160 lies the legend of the Wampas Cat, a fearsome creature 119 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:18.160 said to stock the Appalachian mountains. According to the tales, 120 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.680 the Wampus Cat was once a beautiful Cherokee woman who, 121 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:25.800 driven by jealousy, used forbidden magic to transform into a 122 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:30.560 half woman, half mountain lion creature. The wampas Cat is 123 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.639 believed to prowl the woods, emitting an eerie cry that 124 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.879 chills those who hear it. Some claim that encountering the 125 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.679 wampas cat brings bad luck, while others warn that it's 126 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:45.399 a guardian spirit protecting the secrets of the ancient Cherokee Lands. 127 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:51.200 And then there's the cursed town of Bath. Now. Bath 128 00:08:51.480 --> 00:08:54.360 is one of North Carolina's old as towns, and it 129 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:58.000 harbors a dark and mysterious history that some believe is cursed. 130 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.279 Legends tell Blackbeard, the pirate, who once sprinkled to the 131 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:07.639 town bearing his treasure in the nearby Pamelaco River. Locals 132 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:12.279 claim that the town's misfortunes, including hurricanes and fires, are 133 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:16.480 a result of the pirate's curse. To this day, some 134 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:19.879 say they've seen Blackbeard's ghosts walking the shores for ever, 135 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:24.080 guarding his hidden treasure and ensuring the continuation of Bath's 136 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:31.440 troubled legacy. And then who can forget Roanoke Island. Roanoke Island, 137 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.480 femver etched in history as the site of the mysterious 138 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:39.480 lost Colony, is itself steeped in ghostly legends. The first 139 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:44.240 English settlement in America, the Roanoke Colony, disappeared without a trace, 140 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:49.840 leaving only the word crawtoan carved into a Tree. Locals 141 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:54.240 report sightings of ghostly colonists and strange occurrences, with some 142 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.879 claiming that the spirits of the lost settlers still roam 143 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.440 the island, searching for their long lost companions. The enigma 144 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:04.440 of the Lost Colony continues to cast a haunting shadow 145 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:12.000 over Roanoke Island in Conclusion, as the wind whispers through 146 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.840 the forest and the waves lap against the shores. North 147 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:19.919 Carolina's spooky folk lord legends continue to weave a tapestry 148 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:24.159 of mystery and intrigue, from ancient spirits to cursed towns, 149 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.919 from phantom lights to the Devil's tramping ground. The state's 150 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.600 rich cultural heritage is interwoven with stories that both terrify 151 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:38.120 and captivate. As night falls and shadows dance across the landscape, 152 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:42.279 the tales of the Tar Hill State linger, inviting those 153 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:46.000 brave enough to explore the rim where reality and the 154 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:53.679 supernatural seamlessly blend. And joining me tonight is Tattooed Biker 155 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:58.080 from the YouTube channel Tattooed Biker unexplained, Hey, brother, how 156 00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:58.480 you doing. 157 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.240 Hey well, Steve, thanks for having me, Oh. 158 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.039 Thanks for thanks for being here. We're gonna have a 159 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:08.000 good time tonight. And talk to some scary stuff. So 160 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:10.360 before we get started, tell us a little bit about 161 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.840 your YouTube channel. Tattooed biker unexplained. 162 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:17.159 Well, it's something I always wanted to do. It started 163 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:20.840 out horror fiction, creepypastas and stuff like that, but I 164 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.360 just really wasn't too into those, you know, but you know, 165 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:30.879 fine materials really tough, you know, starting out. Then I 166 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:34.799 went to look at my audience tab my YouTube analytics, 167 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.200 and it seemed like my entire audience I was the 168 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.879 only horror fiction that they listened to. And I thought, 169 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:43.679 well that, well great, I don't I don't have to 170 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.120 do this anymore. It seemed like they were all watching 171 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:51.679 like your channel or Bigfoot case Files or Buckeye Bigfoot 172 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:55.639 or Dixie Cryptid or you know, and I thought, well, 173 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.000 for a haunting, a lot of them are listening to Haunting. 174 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:01.080 You know. The YouTube channel, which is I think is 175 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.399 just I think it just replays the old TV show. 176 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.080 So I thought, well, this is cool, So I don't. 177 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.720 I don't have to do horror fiction for my audience anymore, 178 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.519 because it's fun once in a while, but if you 179 00:12:14.559 --> 00:12:16.639 start doing it for a channel, I think it just 180 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:18.919 feels like a grind after a while, you know, it's 181 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:23.320 not as interesting to me as the paranormal stuff, the 182 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:27.279 true stuff, you know, and the unexplained. And I love 183 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:28.000 a good mystery. 184 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.480 So that seemed like, I think, is doing something that 185 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.480 you love. Then it doesn't seem like work and it 186 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:39.320 doesn't get to be as much of a grind sometimes, 187 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.519 but it came away on you, especially when you have 188 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:44.799 a real pigeonhole like that that you put yourself in. 189 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.799 That's all you can do. That's one reason I have 190 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.480 so many different channels. I've got so many different interests. 191 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.159 Instead of just putting it all on one, I've tried 192 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:56.200 to spread it out, and it means more work, but 193 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:58.759 then I'm still true to myself as far as what 194 00:12:58.840 --> 00:13:00.919 I enjoy doing it, what I want to do it 195 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.240 so works out good. 196 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:10.159 Yeah, And so I post Monday, Wednesday and Friday Monday 197 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.799 is always gone missing Mondays. I do where you tend 198 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.559 to do very current cases, open cases, you know, I 199 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:22.399 tend to do really old cold case file cases where 200 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.200 people have gone missing and there's some something strained, unusual 201 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:32.639 or unexplained about the disappearance. It doesn't quite fit, you know. 202 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.639 I cover those and I make a little mini documentary 203 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:40.159 about a case every Monday, and then as far as 204 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:44.840 Wednesday and Friday, I try to do a viewer submissions 205 00:13:44.919 --> 00:13:50.279 of Paranormalcrypted Encounters UFOs, just something unexplained that's happened in 206 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:55.240 their lives, their personal true stories, and I try to 207 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:58.440 do those on Wednesday and Friday. Sometimes it works out. 208 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.440 There has been a few times my channel smaller that 209 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:07.159 I would do like a powermal minicumentary like I think 210 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.799 I did the Bellwich one time, and I did I 211 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.639 did Robert Johnson things like that to sort of fill 212 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:17.200 in the gaps when I didn't have as many submissions. 213 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.000 But now I'm getting them regularly enough that I usually 214 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:23.679 Wednesday and Friday I can do nothing viewer submissions. So 215 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.240 that's worked out well. And I've had some real doozies 216 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:27.720 over there. 217 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.519 Yeah, I love those viewer submissions. I've got a podcast 218 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:33.759 coming up where I'm going to do those, and it's 219 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:38.080 amazing some of the stories that people tell and we're 220 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.360 talking before the show. We don't love those. I don't 221 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.559 bet them. I just take people at there weren't because 222 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.679 I've had some things happen to me that if I 223 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.720 just told them to somebody. You know, it sounds unbelievable, 224 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:52.240 but I was there, I know what I saw, I felt, saw, 225 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:56.840 experienced or whatever. So it is what it is. And 226 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.440 I think a lot of times when people send in 227 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:03.120 their stories, then other people hear that and they had 228 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:05.639 a similar encounter or something starting to happened to them, 229 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.039 and it kind of frees them up to tell their story. 230 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:10.799 They like, I thought, I you know, you'd think I 231 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:13.240 was crazy, but I heard so and So's story, so 232 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.440 here's mine, And I love that part. Just it's well 233 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.200 a way to grow that community and for people to 234 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.039 share their experiences and find out, yeah, that a lot 235 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:23.360 of people have these. 236 00:15:24.799 --> 00:15:28.240 And that's That's another fascinating thing is sometimes you'll hear 237 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.799 a story that sounds completely bizarre and completely you've never 238 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.639 heard anything like it. They saw something and the way 239 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.799 they're describing it, it doesn't fit into anything else you've heard. 240 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:45.320 And then before you do you include it and you're 241 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.320 reading your email, and then someone else, maybe across the 242 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:53.360 country you have no contact with the one you just read, 243 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:57.759 well they're talking about a similar thing, and you're thinking, 244 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:01.080 what are the chances and what's really there that these 245 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:04.279 people are seeing separate from each other, but their accounts 246 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:06.440 are lining up so closely, you know. 247 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.039 Yeah, and I love that too. We looked into some 248 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:13.679 cases here in New England. There's a UFO incident in 249 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.399 the Berkshires and the witnesses the different walks of life, 250 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.039 didn't know each other, lived, you know, miles and miles apart, 251 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.159 but they saw pretty much the same thing on the 252 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.799 same night and almost described it exactly the same. I mean, 253 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.600 it's too too much to be a coincidence. I don't 254 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:36.799 believe in coincidence anyway. I think synchronicities. But those are 255 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.799 the cases that fascinated me where several witnesses saw it 256 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.200 at about approximately the same time and their stories match. 257 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:48.559 Up, right, Like when I was looking into the Dover Demon. 258 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:52.279 You know, this thing apparently cut a swath, you know, 259 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.519 through the area, and you've got witnesses describing the same 260 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.559 thing that are fifty miles apart. I mean, it's it's 261 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.799 very odd. It makes you wonder just what were they 262 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:03.559 seeing out there? 263 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.240 Yeah, and that's one of my favorite pet cases, if 264 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359 you will. I've been to Dover actually it's back in 265 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:13.880 the eighties, not too long after it happened. I think 266 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:16.000 that happened in like seventy eight or seventy nine. Semper 267 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:19.160 running there. Well, I had a friend I graduated high 268 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:22.000 school in eighty one, had a friend that I graduated 269 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.839 with it went to NYU and I went and couch 270 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.160 surfed there for three months in the East Village. And 271 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.920 one weekend some people from NYU that they knew said, Hey, 272 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.279 I know where there's a house party in Massachusetts. Let's go. 273 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.680 So I went with him and we're in this place 274 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.920 and I, you know, hey, him in Dover, and I 275 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.079 said something about, oh, home of the Dover Demon, and 276 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.759 they're like, oh, you want to talk to Bill. And 277 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.519 I don't know which one it was. There was two witnesses. 278 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.279 One of them went by Bill, and the other one 279 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.640 was named William, but he may have been Bill too. 280 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.279 But I actually met one of the witnesses from It 281 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:01.319 Just Happens town, you know like that, at a house 282 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.559 party and he basically I talked to him. He seemed 283 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.519 kind of embarrassed for the whole thing that I knew 284 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:10.400 about the story and knew the notoriety and stuff, But 285 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:12.839 he told pretty much the same story that I'd read. 286 00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:15.319 So I think there's something there. But I love those 287 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.079 one offs like that, where I think that one happened 288 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:21.039 over just a couple of days, a handful of witnesses. 289 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:23.519 They all saw and described pretty much the same thing. 290 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.480 What in the world was that? Do you have an 291 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.039 opinion on it? Do you think it was some sort 292 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.720 of cryptid or some kind of creature that we're not 293 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:35.799 aware of. Is a UFO related? What's your thought on it? 294 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.279 If I had to take a wild guess, I would 295 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.160 say it was UFO related, just because there's never been 296 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:46.599 anything else like it seen, you know, like with most cryptids, 297 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:50.640 you find multiple reports in multiple places. Like you said, 298 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.039 this is a one off. You know, it's like the 299 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:57.839 Flatwoods Monster. It happened one time, multiple witnesses, and it's 300 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:59.799 never been seen again. You know. 301 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.839 Yeah, that one. That's one that I've been to that 302 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.000 area too. I wouldn't want to see that one. That one, 303 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:08.559 just the drawing of it scares the pants off of me. 304 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:12.000 And I've got a couple of pastors that I've interviewed 305 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:14.440 a few times, and in fact they're going to be 306 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.000 on with me again probably next week. They look at 307 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:21.519 UFOs and the unexplained of things like that from a 308 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.839 biblical perspective, and they're convinced that the Flatwood Monster was 309 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.079 either a fallen angel or an FLM or some kind 310 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:32.000 of demonic entity. And I don't doubt that that thing 311 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:33.920 is just absolutely frightening. 312 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.200 Yeah, all the pictures that I've ever seen, the drawings 313 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.000 and stuff are I mean, it just chills you to 314 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.039 look at. And it left that Whaley Reside. Remember that 315 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.920 was a big part of the story. And I don't know, 316 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.759 just the screams malevolence about the whole thing. 317 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.400 Yeah, it wasn't anything friendly, that's for sure, I don't think. 318 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:00.599 But go ahead, I. 319 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.799 Was gonna say I had an experience. I've had several 320 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.119 experiences in my life. I wouldn't say several. I mean 321 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.039 I've had three or four, I guess, spread out over 322 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:13.519 fifty years. They're pretty strange and I've been on the 323 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:20.759 edge of other people's experiences before, you know. But just 324 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:27.119 the past summer, it was late probably September. I was 325 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.480 out in my well. We were out past the backyard. 326 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.720 I live on a fairly large property and me and 327 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:35.160 my son it's just one of the things we like 328 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:37.200 to do in the afternoon, just before a walk. You know, 329 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.039 especially when the heat dies down a little bit. And 330 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:44.240 he's four, well he was just three and a half 331 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:48.079 then most four. And we're walking along and we're on 332 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.519 the back in the back of my property. You know, 333 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.200 You've got the yard and at the end of the yard, 334 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.440 I've got a couple of motorcycle sheds back there, and 335 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.839 a couple of tool sheds and things like that, little workshops, 336 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:01.920 and then I've got like a graveled off area where 337 00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:05.079 i can park some heavy equipment. And then behind that, 338 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.319 I've got like a row of freeze. Then there's a 339 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:10.759 cornfield on the other side. The row of trees is 340 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.839 about it's only about fifteen twenty feet, and then you've 341 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:18.640 got the cornfield. And we were walking, you know, fairly 342 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.160 close together, and always keep him close when we're out back, 343 00:21:21.240 --> 00:21:25.920 you know. And so he's six feet from me, and 344 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:29.880 he's at that age where he's fascinated by a shadow. 345 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.160 You know. It's like he sees his shadow on the 346 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.960 garage with the sun behind him. You know, he'll laugh 347 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:38.240 and wait and he can dance like he is and 348 00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.000 it copies him and he's fascinated by it, you know. 349 00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.039 And it was getting pretty late in the evening at dark, 350 00:21:45.119 --> 00:21:47.880 but it was, you know, it was it was around 351 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.599 dusk and we were taking one last walk, you know, 352 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:54.440 before we went for the night. And we're walking and 353 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:57.480 I'm looking at something off in the distance. I don't know, 354 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:00.799 farm equipment or who knows. I get distracted and he 355 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:02.680 trust to me and he's like, look, Daddy, my shadow, 356 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.000 and he's laughing and playing. And then I got to thinking. 357 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:09.039 It just hit me all of a sudden, as I'm 358 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.359 looking the other way, that we're back here in the 359 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:16.039 show of these trees. He doesn't have a shadow, you know. 360 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.359 And I looked to where he was looking because he's, 361 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.079 like I said, he's six feet from me. And I 362 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.079 could see it too. It was about six feet from him, 363 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.160 so about twelve feet total from me. It was on 364 00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:32.440 the other side of me, standing there in the tree line, 365 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:36.960 and it was solid black. It was just pitch black. 366 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.279 There was no shine to it. It's like light just 367 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.960 escaped into it. But it was the same size and 368 00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:49.839 stature as my little boy, just standing there in the woods. 369 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:52.640 And when I looked, I felt like it knew that 370 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:56.079 I was looking at it all of a sudden, and 371 00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.759 immediately just slipped behind a tree, and I could hear 372 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:04.640 this thing moving through the trees in the brush, and 373 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.319 then I could see because you could see the trees 374 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.799 were so thin, you could see the cornfield behind it, 375 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:14.200 and of course September, so they're brown and dead by them, 376 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:17.000 but they're still tall, you know. I could see the 377 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:22.799 zigzag pattern as it ran through the cornfield. It just bolted, 378 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:27.440 I mean it was so fast. But before it bolted, 379 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.599 I mean, I just looked at this thing for a 380 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.920 good five seconds, trying to figure out what I was 381 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:35.119 looking at. And he was laughing and pointing at it 382 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.599 the whole time, so he saw what I was seeing, 383 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:43.160 and it was it really settling. So I took his 384 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.880 hair out. I think we should go in right now. 385 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.079 And he didn't really get it, but but yeah, it 386 00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:52.200 gave me a real bad feeling. And like I said, 387 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.799 it wasn't broad daylight, but it was pretty close and 388 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:57.319 I had no idea what I saw. 389 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:03.119 Oh, look, stories like that, especially shadow people, anything to 390 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:06.359 do with shadows or mirrors. I've heard some just amazing 391 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:09.839 mirror stories. Only had one shadow person encountered, and I 392 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.599 haven't written about it yet. I have a book of 393 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:17.839 my personal experiences, my strange world. And there's three key 394 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:20.000 ones in there, or two of the key ones, and 395 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:22.920 there the third one. There's my Black Eyed Kids encounter, 396 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.119 which I think you've heard or heard part of it. 397 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.880 That's the most frighten I've ever been. And I don't 398 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:30.200 know that I'll ever write that one down. I don't 399 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.880 think I could convey the terror and things that I felt. 400 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.920 That's why I always prefer to tell it. But the 401 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.200