Speaker 1: You're listening to Everything out There with your host Steve Stockton.
Speaker 1: Hello friends, Steve Stockton here with you. Thanks once again
Speaker 1: for joining me on Everything out There Tonight. Our guest
Speaker 1: is Tattooed Biker from the YouTube channel Tattooed Biker. Unexplained
Speaker 1: in the interview, we're going to talk about some haunting
Speaker 1: tales and spooky legends of North Carolina, where he was
Speaker 1: originally from. Now. North Carolina, with its rich history and
Speaker 1: diverse landscapes, has been a breeding ground for eerie folklore
Speaker 1: and spine chilling legends that have been passed down their generations.
Speaker 1: From the miscovered mountains to the haunted coastal plains, North
Speaker 1: Carolina is steeped in stories that send shivers down the
Speaker 1: spines of those who dare to listen. In this interview
Speaker 1: will deve into some of these haunting tales that have
Speaker 1: woven themselves into the fabric of North Carolina's folklore. A
Speaker 1: few of them are the Brown Mountain Lights, which we
Speaker 1: speak about. Nestled in the Blue Ridge Mountains, Brown Mountain
Speaker 1: has been the stage for one of North Carolina's most
Speaker 1: enduring mysteries, the Brown Mountain Lights. For centuries, locals and
Speaker 1: visitors alike have reported witnessing unexplained lights dancing in the
Speaker 1: night sky. Now legends suggests that these spectral lights are
Speaker 1: the souls of ancient Cherokee warriors still wandering the mountain side.
Speaker 1: Others believed to be the latterns of ghostly Confederate soldiers
Speaker 1: searching for lost comrades. Despite numerous investigations, the origin of
Speaker 1: the Brown Mountain lights remain elusive, contributing to the mountain's
Speaker 1: eerie reputation. I've seen these lights myself on several occasions,
Speaker 1: and I have no rational explanation. Another in North Carolina
Speaker 1: is the Maco Light. In the coastal town of Maco,
Speaker 1: a railroad worker named Joe Baldwin met a tragic end
Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds. Legend has it that he
Speaker 1: was decapitated in a railway accident while trying to warn
Speaker 1: an oncoming train of a washed out track. The locals
Speaker 1: claim that Baldwin's ghost, carrying a lantern in search of
Speaker 1: his missing head, can be seen along the tracks at night.
Speaker 1: The mysterious light known as the Maco Light, has been
Speaker 1: a source of fascination and fear for generations, drawing curious
Speaker 1: onlookers hoping to catch a glimpse of the wondering spirit.
Speaker 1: Another place we talked about is the Devil's Tramping Ground
Speaker 1: or the Devil's stomping Ground. Nestled in the woods near
Speaker 1: the town of Silas City is a mysterious and unsettling
Speaker 1: place known as the Devil's Tramping Ground. Now, the legend
Speaker 1: tells of a barren, circular patch of land about fourty
Speaker 1: feet or so where nothing grows. It said that this
Speaker 1: is the spot where the devil himself paces in circles,
Speaker 1: plotting his sinister schemes to foil mankind. Locals claim that
Speaker 1: anything left within the circle overnight will be mysteriously mood
Speaker 1: by mourning. Some even believe the devil's presence prevents plant
Speaker 1: life from growing, while others warned that spending a night
Speaker 1: within the circle invites the devil's influence into one's life.
Speaker 1: Another mysterious legend from North Carolina is the Gray Man
Speaker 1: of Polly's Island. Along the shores of Polly's Island, a
Speaker 1: spectral figure known as the Gray Man has said appear
Speaker 1: as a harbinger of impending storms. Now, according to legend,
Speaker 1: the Gray Man is the ghost of a young man
Speaker 1: who died at a shipwreck on his way to business Beyonce.
Speaker 1: The story goes that he appears on the beach to
Speaker 1: warn residents of the approaching danger, providing them with a
Speaker 1: chance to evacuate before the storm hits. And if you've
Speaker 1: ever seen one of those storms in the outer banks,
Speaker 1: they are spectacular. Those who claim to have seen the
Speaker 1: Gray Man insists that he is a benevolent spirit, offering
Speaker 1: protection to those who heed his spectral warning. Another strange
Speaker 1: legend from North Carolina is the legend of the Vampire
Speaker 1: Beast of Bladenborough. In the nineteen fifties, the small town
Speaker 1: of Bladenborough was gripped by fear as reports circulated of
Speaker 1: a mysterious creature which attacked local pets and livestock. Some
Speaker 1: described it as a large, panther like creature with glowing
Speaker 1: red eyes. The Vampire Beast of Bladenborough, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: left a trail of unease in its wake. Residents were terrified,
Speaker 1: and local hunters set out to capture the creature. However,
Speaker 1: despite their best efforts, the true identity and nature of
Speaker 1: the beast remained elusive, leaving the town haunted by the
Speaker 1: memory of the vampire beasts that prowded streets. Now there
Speaker 1: is also the legend of the Dismal Swamp. The Great
Speaker 1: Dismal Swamp, which straddles the border between North Carolina and Virginia,
Speaker 1: is shrouded in a history of mystery and folklore. The
Speaker 1: swamp's dense vegetation and murky waters have fueled tales of
Speaker 1: ghostly apparitions and other worldly encounters. Some stories speak of
Speaker 1: phantom lantern lights leading wonders deeper into the swamp, while
Speaker 1: others tell the spirits of escaped slaves seeking refuge during
Speaker 1: the Antebellum period. The Dismal Swamp, with its eerie ambiance,
Speaker 1: remains a place where reality blurs with the supernatural, leaving
Speaker 1: visitors with an unsettling sense of the unknown. And then
Speaker 1: there is the ghost Ship of Ochercoke, part of the
Speaker 1: Outer Banks. A favorite place of mine to visit is
Speaker 1: the location of Okuercoke Island, which is home to the
Speaker 1: chilling tale of the ghost ship known as the Carol A. Dearing.
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty one, this five masted schooner ran aground
Speaker 1: without a soul on board. The crew had vanished, leaving
Speaker 1: behind only cryptic messages and signs of a struggle. Locals
Speaker 1: believed that the ghostly apparitions of the crew still haunked
Speaker 1: the shores of Ocracoke, forever trapped in a spectral limbo.
Speaker 1: The mystery of the Carol A Dearing has fueled speculation
Speaker 1: and ghostly sightings, making it one of North Carolina's most
Speaker 1: enduring maritime legends. And then who could forget the legend
Speaker 1: of the Moon eight People. In the misty mountains of
Speaker 1: western North Carolina, there exists the legends of a mysterious
Speaker 1: race known as the Moon Eyed People. According to Cherokee folklore,
Speaker 1: these beings had pale, moonlike eyes and lived underground. The
Speaker 1: Moon Eighted People were said to be peace loving, but
Speaker 1: their existence was threatened by the arrival of the Cherokee.
Speaker 1: As tensions rose, the Moon eight People vanished into the mountains,
Speaker 1: leaving behind only the echoes of their enigmatic presence. Some
Speaker 1: believe that their spirits still linger in their remote corners
Speaker 1: of the Appalachians, guarding the secrets of their ancient civilization.
Speaker 1: There's also the haunting of the Grove park In, Nestled
Speaker 1: in the Blue Ridge Mountains, The historic Grove park In
Speaker 1: is known for its luxurious accommodations and stunning views. However,
Speaker 1: some visitors have reported encounters with supernatural entities within its walls.
Speaker 1: The Pink Lady, a ghostly figure dressed in pink a
Speaker 1: cent of rome, the n's hallways, leaving behind the scent
Speaker 1: of her flowery perfume. Some believe she's the spirit of
Speaker 1: a young woman who tragically filled her death from a balcony,
Speaker 1: while others suggest she's the lovelorn guest who never checked out.
Speaker 1: The ghostly presence of the Pink Lady adds an extra
Speaker 1: layer of intrigue to the already rich history of the
Speaker 1: grow Park. In another Cherokee legend from North Carolina is
Speaker 1: the Wampus Cat. Deep in the heart of Cherokee folklore
Speaker 1: lies the legend of the Wampas Cat, a fearsome creature
Speaker 1: said to stock the Appalachian mountains. According to the tales,
Speaker 1: the Wampus Cat was once a beautiful Cherokee woman who,
Speaker 1: driven by jealousy, used forbidden magic to transform into a
Speaker 1: half woman, half mountain lion creature. The wampas Cat is
Speaker 1: believed to prowl the woods, emitting an eerie cry that
Speaker 1: chills those who hear it. Some claim that encountering the
Speaker 1: wampas cat brings bad luck, while others warn that it's
Speaker 1: a guardian spirit protecting the secrets of the ancient Cherokee Lands.
Speaker 1: And then there's the cursed town of Bath. Now. Bath
Speaker 1: is one of North Carolina's old as towns, and it
Speaker 1: harbors a dark and mysterious history that some believe is cursed.
Speaker 1: Legends tell Blackbeard, the pirate, who once sprinkled to the
Speaker 1: town bearing his treasure in the nearby Pamelaco River. Locals
Speaker 1: claim that the town's misfortunes, including hurricanes and fires, are
Speaker 1: a result of the pirate's curse. To this day, some
Speaker 1: say they've seen Blackbeard's ghosts walking the shores for ever,
Speaker 1: guarding his hidden treasure and ensuring the continuation of Bath's
Speaker 1: troubled legacy. And then who can forget Roanoke Island. Roanoke Island,
Speaker 1: femver etched in history as the site of the mysterious
Speaker 1: lost Colony, is itself steeped in ghostly legends. The first
Speaker 1: English settlement in America, the Roanoke Colony, disappeared without a trace,
Speaker 1: leaving only the word crawtoan carved into a Tree. Locals
Speaker 1: report sightings of ghostly colonists and strange occurrences, with some
Speaker 1: claiming that the spirits of the lost settlers still roam
Speaker 1: the island, searching for their long lost companions. The enigma
Speaker 1: of the Lost Colony continues to cast a haunting shadow
Speaker 1: over Roanoke Island in Conclusion, as the wind whispers through
Speaker 1: the forest and the waves lap against the shores. North
Speaker 1: Carolina's spooky folk lord legends continue to weave a tapestry
Speaker 1: of mystery and intrigue, from ancient spirits to cursed towns,
Speaker 1: from phantom lights to the Devil's tramping ground. The state's
Speaker 1: rich cultural heritage is interwoven with stories that both terrify
Speaker 1: and captivate. As night falls and shadows dance across the landscape,
Speaker 1: the tales of the Tar Hill State linger, inviting those
Speaker 1: brave enough to explore the rim where reality and the
Speaker 1: supernatural seamlessly blend. And joining me tonight is Tattooed Biker
Speaker 1: from the YouTube channel Tattooed Biker unexplained, Hey, brother, how
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 2: Hey well, Steve, thanks for having me, Oh.
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for being here. We're gonna have a
Speaker 1: good time tonight. And talk to some scary stuff. So
Speaker 1: before we get started, tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel. Tattooed biker unexplained.
Speaker 2: Well, it's something I always wanted to do. It started
Speaker 2: out horror fiction, creepypastas and stuff like that, but I
Speaker 2: just really wasn't too into those, you know, but you know,
Speaker 2: fine materials really tough, you know, starting out. Then I
Speaker 2: went to look at my audience tab my YouTube analytics,
Speaker 2: and it seemed like my entire audience I was the
Speaker 2: only horror fiction that they listened to. And I thought,
Speaker 2: well that, well great, I don't I don't have to
Speaker 2: do this anymore. It seemed like they were all watching
Speaker 2: like your channel or Bigfoot case Files or Buckeye Bigfoot
Speaker 2: or Dixie Cryptid or you know, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: for a haunting, a lot of them are listening to Haunting.
Speaker 2: You know. The YouTube channel, which is I think is
Speaker 2: just I think it just replays the old TV show.
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, this is cool, So I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't have to do horror fiction for my audience anymore,
Speaker 2: because it's fun once in a while, but if you
Speaker 2: start doing it for a channel, I think it just
Speaker 2: feels like a grind after a while, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not as interesting to me as the paranormal stuff, the
Speaker 2: true stuff, you know, and the unexplained. And I love
Speaker 2: a good mystery.
Speaker 1: So that seemed like, I think, is doing something that
Speaker 1: you love. Then it doesn't seem like work and it
Speaker 1: doesn't get to be as much of a grind sometimes,
Speaker 1: but it came away on you, especially when you have
Speaker 1: a real pigeonhole like that that you put yourself in.
Speaker 1: That's all you can do. That's one reason I have
Speaker 1: so many different channels. I've got so many different interests.
Speaker 1: Instead of just putting it all on one, I've tried
Speaker 1: to spread it out, and it means more work, but
Speaker 1: then I'm still true to myself as far as what
Speaker 1: I enjoy doing it, what I want to do it
Speaker 1: so works out good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I post Monday, Wednesday and Friday Monday
Speaker 2: is always gone missing Mondays. I do where you tend
Speaker 2: to do very current cases, open cases, you know, I
Speaker 2: tend to do really old cold case file cases where
Speaker 2: people have gone missing and there's some something strained, unusual
Speaker 2: or unexplained about the disappearance. It doesn't quite fit, you know.
Speaker 2: I cover those and I make a little mini documentary
Speaker 2: about a case every Monday, and then as far as
Speaker 2: Wednesday and Friday, I try to do a viewer submissions
Speaker 2: of Paranormalcrypted Encounters UFOs, just something unexplained that's happened in
Speaker 2: their lives, their personal true stories, and I try to
Speaker 2: do those on Wednesday and Friday. Sometimes it works out.
Speaker 2: There has been a few times my channel smaller that
Speaker 2: I would do like a powermal minicumentary like I think
Speaker 2: I did the Bellwich one time, and I did I
Speaker 2: did Robert Johnson things like that to sort of fill
Speaker 2: in the gaps when I didn't have as many submissions.
Speaker 2: But now I'm getting them regularly enough that I usually
Speaker 2: Wednesday and Friday I can do nothing viewer submissions. So
Speaker 2: that's worked out well. And I've had some real doozies
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those viewer submissions. I've got a podcast
Speaker 1: coming up where I'm going to do those, and it's
Speaker 1: amazing some of the stories that people tell and we're
Speaker 1: talking before the show. We don't love those. I don't
Speaker 1: bet them. I just take people at there weren't because
Speaker 1: I've had some things happen to me that if I
Speaker 1: just told them to somebody. You know, it sounds unbelievable,
Speaker 1: but I was there, I know what I saw, I felt, saw,
Speaker 1: experienced or whatever. So it is what it is. And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of times when people send in
Speaker 1: their stories, then other people hear that and they had
Speaker 1: a similar encounter or something starting to happened to them,
Speaker 1: and it kind of frees them up to tell their story.
Speaker 1: They like, I thought, I you know, you'd think I
Speaker 1: was crazy, but I heard so and So's story, so
Speaker 1: here's mine, And I love that part. Just it's well
Speaker 1: a way to grow that community and for people to
Speaker 1: share their experiences and find out, yeah, that a lot
Speaker 1: of people have these.
Speaker 2: And that's That's another fascinating thing is sometimes you'll hear
Speaker 2: a story that sounds completely bizarre and completely you've never
Speaker 2: heard anything like it. They saw something and the way
Speaker 2: they're describing it, it doesn't fit into anything else you've heard.
Speaker 2: And then before you do you include it and you're
Speaker 2: reading your email, and then someone else, maybe across the
Speaker 2: country you have no contact with the one you just read,
Speaker 2: well they're talking about a similar thing, and you're thinking,
Speaker 2: what are the chances and what's really there that these
Speaker 2: people are seeing separate from each other, but their accounts
Speaker 2: are lining up so closely, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that too. We looked into some
Speaker 1: cases here in New England. There's a UFO incident in
Speaker 1: the Berkshires and the witnesses the different walks of life,
Speaker 1: didn't know each other, lived, you know, miles and miles apart,
Speaker 1: but they saw pretty much the same thing on the
Speaker 1: same night and almost described it exactly the same. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's too too much to be a coincidence. I don't
Speaker 1: believe in coincidence anyway. I think synchronicities. But those are
Speaker 1: the cases that fascinated me where several witnesses saw it
Speaker 1: at about approximately the same time and their stories match.
Speaker 2: Up, right, Like when I was looking into the Dover Demon.
Speaker 2: You know, this thing apparently cut a swath, you know,
Speaker 2: through the area, and you've got witnesses describing the same
Speaker 2: thing that are fifty miles apart. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: very odd. It makes you wonder just what were they
Speaker 2: seeing out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of my favorite pet cases, if
Speaker 1: you will. I've been to Dover actually it's back in
Speaker 1: the eighties, not too long after it happened. I think
Speaker 1: that happened in like seventy eight or seventy nine. Semper
Speaker 1: running there. Well, I had a friend I graduated high
Speaker 1: school in eighty one, had a friend that I graduated
Speaker 1: with it went to NYU and I went and couch
Speaker 1: surfed there for three months in the East Village. And
Speaker 1: one weekend some people from NYU that they knew said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I know where there's a house party in Massachusetts. Let's go.
Speaker 1: So I went with him and we're in this place
Speaker 1: and I, you know, hey, him in Dover, and I
Speaker 1: said something about, oh, home of the Dover Demon, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you want to talk to Bill. And
Speaker 1: I don't know which one it was. There was two witnesses.
Speaker 1: One of them went by Bill, and the other one
Speaker 1: was named William, but he may have been Bill too.
Speaker 1: But I actually met one of the witnesses from It
Speaker 1: Just Happens town, you know like that, at a house
Speaker 1: party and he basically I talked to him. He seemed
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed for the whole thing that I knew
Speaker 1: about the story and knew the notoriety and stuff, But
Speaker 1: he told pretty much the same story that I'd read.
Speaker 1: So I think there's something there. But I love those
Speaker 1: one offs like that, where I think that one happened
Speaker 1: over just a couple of days, a handful of witnesses.
Speaker 1: They all saw and described pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 1: What in the world was that? Do you have an
Speaker 1: opinion on it? Do you think it was some sort
Speaker 1: of cryptid or some kind of creature that we're not
Speaker 1: aware of. Is a UFO related? What's your thought on it?
Speaker 2: If I had to take a wild guess, I would
Speaker 2: say it was UFO related, just because there's never been
Speaker 2: anything else like it seen, you know, like with most cryptids,
Speaker 2: you find multiple reports in multiple places. Like you said,
Speaker 2: this is a one off. You know, it's like the
Speaker 2: Flatwoods Monster. It happened one time, multiple witnesses, and it's
Speaker 2: never been seen again. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one. That's one that I've been to that
Speaker 1: area too. I wouldn't want to see that one. That one,
Speaker 1: just the drawing of it scares the pants off of me.
Speaker 1: And I've got a couple of pastors that I've interviewed
Speaker 1: a few times, and in fact they're going to be
Speaker 1: on with me again probably next week. They look at
Speaker 1: UFOs and the unexplained of things like that from a
Speaker 1: biblical perspective, and they're convinced that the Flatwood Monster was
Speaker 1: either a fallen angel or an FLM or some kind
Speaker 1: of demonic entity. And I don't doubt that that thing
Speaker 1: is just absolutely frightening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the pictures that I've ever seen, the drawings
Speaker 2: and stuff are I mean, it just chills you to
Speaker 2: look at. And it left that Whaley Reside. Remember that
Speaker 2: was a big part of the story. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: just the screams malevolence about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't anything friendly, that's for sure, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say I had an experience. I've had several
Speaker 2: experiences in my life. I wouldn't say several. I mean
Speaker 2: I've had three or four, I guess, spread out over
Speaker 2: fifty years. They're pretty strange and I've been on the
Speaker 2: edge of other people's experiences before, you know. But just
Speaker 2: the past summer, it was late probably September. I was
Speaker 2: out in my well. We were out past the backyard.
Speaker 2: I live on a fairly large property and me and
Speaker 2: my son it's just one of the things we like
Speaker 2: to do in the afternoon, just before a walk. You know,
Speaker 2: especially when the heat dies down a little bit. And
Speaker 2: he's four, well he was just three and a half
Speaker 2: then most four. And we're walking along and we're on
Speaker 2: the back in the back of my property. You know,
Speaker 2: You've got the yard and at the end of the yard,
Speaker 2: I've got a couple of motorcycle sheds back there, and
Speaker 2: a couple of tool sheds and things like that, little workshops,
Speaker 2: and then I've got like a graveled off area where
Speaker 2: i can park some heavy equipment. And then behind that,
Speaker 2: I've got like a row of freeze. Then there's a
Speaker 2: cornfield on the other side. The row of trees is
Speaker 2: about it's only about fifteen twenty feet, and then you've
Speaker 2: got the cornfield. And we were walking, you know, fairly
Speaker 2: close together, and always keep him close when we're out back,
Speaker 2: you know. And so he's six feet from me, and
Speaker 2: he's at that age where he's fascinated by a shadow.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like he sees his shadow on the
Speaker 2: garage with the sun behind him. You know, he'll laugh
Speaker 2: and wait and he can dance like he is and
Speaker 2: it copies him and he's fascinated by it, you know.
Speaker 2: And it was getting pretty late in the evening at dark,
Speaker 2: but it was, you know, it was it was around
Speaker 2: dusk and we were taking one last walk, you know,
Speaker 2: before we went for the night. And we're walking and
Speaker 2: I'm looking at something off in the distance. I don't know,
Speaker 2: farm equipment or who knows. I get distracted and he
Speaker 2: trust to me and he's like, look, Daddy, my shadow,
Speaker 2: and he's laughing and playing. And then I got to thinking.
Speaker 2: It just hit me all of a sudden, as I'm
Speaker 2: looking the other way, that we're back here in the
Speaker 2: show of these trees. He doesn't have a shadow, you know.
Speaker 2: And I looked to where he was looking because he's,
Speaker 2: like I said, he's six feet from me. And I
Speaker 2: could see it too. It was about six feet from him,
Speaker 2: so about twelve feet total from me. It was on
Speaker 2: the other side of me, standing there in the tree line,
Speaker 2: and it was solid black. It was just pitch black.
Speaker 2: There was no shine to it. It's like light just
Speaker 2: escaped into it. But it was the same size and
Speaker 2: stature as my little boy, just standing there in the woods.
Speaker 2: And when I looked, I felt like it knew that
Speaker 2: I was looking at it all of a sudden, and
Speaker 2: immediately just slipped behind a tree, and I could hear
Speaker 2: this thing moving through the trees in the brush, and
Speaker 2: then I could see because you could see the trees
Speaker 2: were so thin, you could see the cornfield behind it,
Speaker 2: and of course September, so they're brown and dead by them,
Speaker 2: but they're still tall, you know. I could see the
Speaker 2: zigzag pattern as it ran through the cornfield. It just bolted,
Speaker 2: I mean it was so fast. But before it bolted,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just looked at this thing for a
Speaker 2: good five seconds, trying to figure out what I was
Speaker 2: looking at. And he was laughing and pointing at it
Speaker 2: the whole time, so he saw what I was seeing,
Speaker 2: and it was it really settling. So I took his
Speaker 2: hair out. I think we should go in right now.
Speaker 2: And he didn't really get it, but but yeah, it
Speaker 2: gave me a real bad feeling. And like I said,
Speaker 2: it wasn't broad daylight, but it was pretty close and
Speaker 2: I had no idea what I saw.
Speaker 1: Oh, look, stories like that, especially shadow people, anything to
Speaker 1: do with shadows or mirrors. I've heard some just amazing
Speaker 1: mirror stories. Only had one shadow person encountered, and I
Speaker 1: haven't written about it yet. I have a book of
Speaker 1: my personal experiences, my strange world. And there's three key
Speaker 1: ones in there, or two of the key ones, and
Speaker 1: there the third one. There's my Black Eyed Kids encounter,
Speaker 1: which I think you've heard or heard part of it.
Speaker 1: That's the most frighten I've ever been. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that I'll ever write that one down. I don't
Speaker 1: think I could convey the terror and things that I felt.
Speaker 1: That's why I always prefer to tell it. But the
Speaker 1: shadow person encounter that I had, that was when I
Speaker 1: lived in Oregon. I lived in a little town called
Speaker 1: Saint Helen's and the lady that I rented from her
Speaker 1: husband had been a letter carrier, got killed in a
Speaker 1: vehicle accident. And one night I was coming out to
Speaker 1: the bedroom, went into the kitchen and if you walked
Speaker 1: in like it's actually the dining room and the kitchen
Speaker 1: were together. Walked in the right of the dining room
Speaker 1: table and off to the right as it was a
Speaker 1: laundry room in a mudroom, and then off to the
Speaker 1: left was the rest of the kitchen, the sink island
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Well, i'd see a shadow of
Speaker 1: a person, I mean a person's size shadow, and it
Speaker 1: was like he was saying it was black. It didn't
Speaker 1: have a shinehood was blacker than black. And I just
Speaker 1: kind of walked out of the laundry room behind the table,
Speaker 1: and I went through the kitchen and out the wall,
Speaker 1: which the other side of that wall would have been
Speaker 1: in the garage. And my little dog was with me
Speaker 1: and he saw it. But he didn't seem to scare him.
Speaker 1: He didn't bark at it, didn't growl or anything. He
Speaker 1: actually wagged his tail. And she was like, where was that?
Speaker 1: And I told my landlady and she said, oh, that's
Speaker 1: my husband. He comes back and visits sometimes. She said,
Speaker 1: I've seen that too when I lived there. So there
Speaker 1: you go. But it was, you know, disconcerting. But again,
Speaker 1: it didn't seem a level and it looked like it
Speaker 1: was just passing through. And there was also a lot
Speaker 1: of times there the TV or the stereo things like
Speaker 1: that would come on in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: and the channels would change and things. Now that could
Speaker 1: have just been you know, radio interference from somebody else's remote,
Speaker 1: but she claimed that that was one of the things
Speaker 1: he liked to do too. He was over all the
Speaker 1: audio video equipment that they had that was his domain,
Speaker 1: and she said, he still likes to come in sometimes
Speaker 1: and turn everything on to make sure it still works.
Speaker 2: Don't know.
Speaker 1: I'ven't written that one yet. That'll be in the next book.
Speaker 1: That was I published Stratange Things in the Woods, and
Speaker 1: that was just a themed book. It was all the
Speaker 1: stories that I had that i'd heard over basically my
Speaker 1: entire life, about things that happened in the woods. And
Speaker 1: when that one took off, I'd go on this show
Speaker 1: or that show. I've been on Coast to Coast and
Speaker 1: Art Bell's other show, Midnight in the Desert, and I
Speaker 1: was on. I was Clyde Lewis, Who's radio network, Ground
Speaker 1: zero Radio. This show's on, but invariably the hosts or
Speaker 1: if they took calls or questions from the audience, people say, well,
Speaker 1: these are other people's experience. Have you ever had anything
Speaker 1: strange or weird encounter? And I'd tell one story or
Speaker 1: another night, and I started thinking I probably got enough
Speaker 1: to make a small book, and it ended up being
Speaker 1: a pretty good sized book. And I've had enough since
Speaker 1: I wrote that to fill a second volume probably, so
Speaker 1: that's in the works too. But it's just it's amazing
Speaker 1: and it seems like your son there. I started seeing
Speaker 1: and experiencing things when I was three or four years old,
Speaker 1: and it never really scared me when I was that small.
Speaker 1: It just made me curious, like, what was that, you know,
Speaker 1: that's not supposed to happen. First apparition, I saw, I
Speaker 1: was a little kid that ran across the road into
Speaker 1: our yard and fell down and just ceased to exist.
Speaker 1: And there was no kid there, no place the kid
Speaker 1: could have gone to, no hole that he could have
Speaker 1: fallen into or anything. I even got a shovel and
Speaker 1: Doug and I was I think I was five at
Speaker 1: that time, and uh, metaphorically, I think I've never put
Speaker 1: that shovel down. I'm still digging trying to find what
Speaker 1: all's out there. And the older I get and the
Speaker 1: more experiences and things I have, it's it's no longer
Speaker 1: a quest or answers. I'm just looking for the next
Speaker 1: set of questions. Yeah, we had the answers. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's near as much as it has been.
Speaker 2: Now. I've I've definitely, you know, seen a few things,
Speaker 2: and and that was the by far of the most
Speaker 2: recent Like I've had not missing time, I guess, but
Speaker 2: I've had like a time dilation experience. Actually, I happened
Speaker 2: two of those, and just thank God that I had
Speaker 2: somebody with me, so I didn't start to doubt my sanity,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: No, I had one encounter missing time, and I had
Speaker 1: somebody with me too, the guy that in high school.
Speaker 1: We were out riding BMX bikes together in an undeveloped
Speaker 1: part of the subdivision. They just had their roads up there,
Speaker 1: and we were peddling along nothing but paved road and
Speaker 1: wooded lots that they hadn't even sold yet. And I
Speaker 1: remember some sort of a metallic clientk or noise up
Speaker 1: in the woods to my right, and I kind of
Speaker 1: turned and looked up there. And then the next thing
Speaker 1: I know, I'm still on the bike. I'm still peddling,
Speaker 1: but I'm going in the opposite direction, and Danny, a friend,
Speaker 1: was right there beside me. We didn't say a word
Speaker 1: to each other. Went on down the road. He went
Speaker 1: into his driveway. I went a couple of blocks on down,
Speaker 1: went into mine. I go inside my parents, like where
Speaker 1: you being? I said, I was out riding bikes with Danny.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, it's getting light. We're getting worried
Speaker 1: about you. And it was almost eleven o'clock, and when
Speaker 1: we were originally up there, it was maybe eight or
Speaker 1: eight thirty. So I've got two or three hours there
Speaker 1: that I cannot account for. And my friend experienced the
Speaker 1: same thing. I asked him a couple of days later
Speaker 1: because I said, something weird happened the other night, and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, He's like, I was afraid to say anything.
Speaker 1: So we both kind of were. But and I've had
Speaker 1: people ask me, said, would you consider him not a
Speaker 1: regression or something? And a part of me would like to,
Speaker 1: but then there's a part of me that doesn't want
Speaker 1: to know. I mean, if I was abducted and got
Speaker 1: probed by aliens or something I don't want to know about.
Speaker 1: There's a reason I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Yeah, See, mine was Mine was the opposite, and my
Speaker 2: wife and I we were There's a couple of they're
Speaker 2: friends of ours, and I've known the guy for a
Speaker 2: long time, and because back in the younger days, I
Speaker 2: used to I used to kind of ride in the
Speaker 2: club scene a little bit, you know, and he does
Speaker 2: and he did. Oh. But there are a couple and
Speaker 2: they're friends of ours, and our kids are friends, and
Speaker 2: but one eating just me and my wife had gone
Speaker 2: over there for dinner and my mother in law was
Speaker 2: killing our son, he was two at the time. Now,
Speaker 2: to get to their house is super easy. They live
Speaker 2: very close to us. Like you literally come out of
Speaker 2: our driveway, you turn left, and then you take one
Speaker 2: turn and then you go by their house and their
Speaker 2: house and you turn to their driveway. It's one turn,
Speaker 2: you know, it's total of an eight minute drive. And
Speaker 2: took to the wife's suv. And now generally I don't
Speaker 2: like to drive cars. I just I just don't like it.
Speaker 2: I hate it seems tedious. I would rather set passenger
Speaker 2: and look out the window. I have no interest in
Speaker 2: driving a car. So she does all the driving pretty
Speaker 2: much more together in the vehicle anyway. And and we
Speaker 2: left their house it was about eight thirty nine o'clock,
Speaker 2: you know, after dinner, because we didn't want, you know,
Speaker 2: her mom to have to keep the baby that long.
Speaker 2: And so we leave just normal, none of us drinking
Speaker 2: or any kind of substances or anything like that. And
Speaker 2: done of us do anything like that. And and we leave,
Speaker 2: We pull out of the driveway and being you know,
Speaker 2: a good a good navigator, you know, and shotgun guy
Speaker 2: that I am. Wife and I both smoke as soon
Speaker 2: as we get on the road. It's just a habit
Speaker 2: that I light us with a cigarette, you know. So
Speaker 2: we pull out as soon as we get going on
Speaker 2: this straightaway I and it's pretty much a straight shot.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of turns. I I light a cigarette.
Speaker 2: I like her a cigarette. I give it to her.
Speaker 2: I leaned down to adjust the radio, and just then,
Speaker 2: super bright light come on rear view like a car
Speaker 2: had just run up on us. You could see their
Speaker 2: headlights like real fast, like out of nowhere. And I
Speaker 2: guess it's just a biker in me. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I assume it's a cop. Yeah. Uh, bikers and cops
Speaker 2: have sort of hyenas lions on the air and getty
Speaker 2: sort of relationship. We just try to avoid each other,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: I rode Harley too, so I know that that feeling exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I eased back and I slided my seatbelt on,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, Okay, what's going to go
Speaker 2: on here? Like I figured, because like I said, uh,
Speaker 2: I'd been in the club scene for a while. My
Speaker 2: friend still rides with the motorcycle enthusiast club, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: they might have been watching his house or something and
Speaker 2: assumed that we were no good, you know, even though
Speaker 2: he's a pretty straight, straight up guy. And uh, but
Speaker 2: but we're looking at I'm kind of keeping on them.
Speaker 2: I'm smoking, thinking any time we're going to see the
Speaker 2: blue lights, you know, if nothing else, just that what
Speaker 2: are you got this hour? You know, or something where
Speaker 2: you headed? You know, those questions. But then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, boom, they were gone. And I'm thinking I
Speaker 2: didn't turn off or anything, because you could see lights.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were so up on us at one
Speaker 2: point that you could barely see their lights because they
Speaker 2: were so close to beer bumper, and they were just
Speaker 2: just gone, just like flipping a switch. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that was weird. I don't know where they went, you know.
Speaker 2: And then I'm talking to my wife about this, and
Speaker 2: she goes, Honey, I don't know where we are. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean you don't know where we are?
Speaker 2: Because I've been focused on the lights in the back
Speaker 2: and she's focused on driving, you know, so I wasn't
Speaker 2: really watching the road either, and the countryside just looked
Speaker 2: really strange to me. I'm looking out the window, thinking,
Speaker 2: none of this feels familiar. And at one point we
Speaker 2: both saw this. It was like a It wasn't quite translucent.
Speaker 2: It was almost like a greenish white, glowing, tall figure
Speaker 2: standing by the side of the road. She swerved over.
Speaker 2: We both saw it, like what was that? She goes,
Speaker 2: I don't know, and we're kind of looking back and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't have a good feeling about this.
Speaker 2: And up there's a it's like you start to see
Speaker 2: street lights, and she's like, I'm gonna pull into the
Speaker 2: street light here, I'm gonna dig out my phone. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: that sounds like a plan, because that was really weird
Speaker 2: in itself, because we don't pass any street lights between
Speaker 2: our house and their house, you know. And we pulled
Speaker 2: over and she pulls out her phone and pulls out
Speaker 2: our GPS, and timeframe wise it was fifteen after nine.
Speaker 2: We're still smoking the same cigarettes that I had lit
Speaker 2: us when we left, and she GPs' is us and
Speaker 2: four townships over the opposite direction from friend's house, and
Speaker 2: we mapped it had we were so far away and
Speaker 2: she grew up up here. We were so far away
Speaker 2: she had to map quest us back to her own
Speaker 2: home from where we were sitting, because we were so
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with where we were, and it was going to
Speaker 2: take us over two hours to get back to our house,
Speaker 2: according to map quest, and it did. It took every
Speaker 2: bit of it. And to this day, I have no
Speaker 2: idea how we got multiple hours away in just ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those of those fascinated me too. Had a similar
Speaker 1: occurrence when I lived in Las Vegas. I was a
Speaker 1: manager at one of the big casinos out here, and
Speaker 1: I went to visit one of my employees. That was
Speaker 1: both our days off, and he lived on kind of
Speaker 1: the south into the Strip down how to go down
Speaker 1: Tropicana and wind a way on that side of the Strip,
Speaker 1: on the Henderson side, And so all I had to
Speaker 1: do was cross Las Vegas Boulevard on Tropic Cana, go
Speaker 1: up about two lights and turn by the Orleans and
Speaker 1: go out that way and get home. And I left
Speaker 1: his house, I crossed the Las Vegas Boulevard and I
Speaker 1: drove and I drove, and I drove and I drove
Speaker 1: and I drove, and I suddenly I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know where I'm at. And I thought I'm going
Speaker 1: to be out by Blue Diamond or something shortly, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to turn around. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go back. I didn't recognize anything. And while
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a place to turn around, there's my turn,
Speaker 1: by the Orleans Casino. Normally it shouldn't have taken from
Speaker 1: Las Vegas Boulevard. After I crossed it maybe five minutes
Speaker 1: ten at the outset to get there, and I driven
Speaker 1: for like a half hour, forty minutes, and yet there
Speaker 1: was my turn. I took my turn. I went straight home,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, what the hell happened there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're just like, where did I go?
Speaker 1: Where was I? And the way I've had people describe that.
Speaker 1: And another time when I lived in Oregon, I'd walked
Speaker 1: up to the corner. I still smoked at that time.
Speaker 1: I'd walked up about two blocks to the convenience store.
Speaker 1: I got a pack of cigarettes, and I was walking
Speaker 1: back and then, yeah, I was looking at my phone,
Speaker 1: but I was, you know, I was cognizant of where
Speaker 1: I was and stuff. And I walked up, I turned
Speaker 1: down my street and went down the street, and then
Speaker 1: where my house should have been there, it wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and I realized I'm on the wrong streets. I went
Speaker 1: back up to the the main street and turned the
Speaker 1: other direction, and I'd passed what went like two or
Speaker 1: three two or three streets, pasted my street and taking
Speaker 1: a turn, And there was no way that I was
Speaker 1: that preoccupied with what I was doing. But I was
Speaker 1: in the wrong place. And the way I've had it
Speaker 1: described it, think of it as like those old paper
Speaker 1: maps that if you have point A and point B,
Speaker 1: you could fold the map and make point A and
Speaker 1: point B closer to each other. And somehow that happens
Speaker 1: in real time, the fabric of time and space actually
Speaker 1: kind of pulls and makes point A or point B
Speaker 1: closer or farther apart. Interesting theory. I don't know how
Speaker 1: that would work with quantum physics or whatever they're talking
Speaker 1: about there, And something like that happens time to storage
Speaker 1: space distorage, it's either shorter or farther or like you
Speaker 1: were talking about it, you ended up two hours away
Speaker 1: with no idea how you got there or any rhyme
Speaker 1: or reason that you could have gotten there like that
Speaker 1: in just a short distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, no town, no time had
Speaker 2: passed like we were still smoking the same cigarette and
Speaker 2: used to smoke. It takes about seven minutes to smoke
Speaker 2: a cigarette, so yeah, you can almost set your clock
Speaker 2: by about seven minutes how long it takes smoke a cigarette.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have no idea what happened there. And
Speaker 2: like I said, we saw that weird figure on the
Speaker 2: side of the road. And to this day, my wife
Speaker 2: will acknowledge that it happened because she had to make
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable call to her mom saying, Hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to be two and a half hours late because we're
Speaker 2: over here in blanky blank, you know, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how we got here, and it shook her up
Speaker 2: pretty bad. She don't she won't really talk about it,
Speaker 2: which bugs me because I like to get more of
Speaker 2: her perspective on it. But it weirded her out so
Speaker 2: bad that she she said, she gets really bad anxiety
Speaker 2: when she thinks about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can understand that. And you're exactly right
Speaker 1: about the cigarette timer thing. Back in the early eighties,
Speaker 1: I did stand up comedy and that was how I
Speaker 1: timed my act. I would light a cigarette, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: really puff on it, but it taken about ten minutes
Speaker 1: to burn down, and then I knew, you know, I
Speaker 1: had to either wrap it up or get off the
Speaker 1: stage or whatever because of the where the cigarette was at.
Speaker 1: But that is a good indicator. And if you're still
Speaker 1: smoking the same cigarette, there's no way that cigarette burned
Speaker 1: for two hours.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, if you're smoking them about seven, if
Speaker 2: you let them sit about ten, And that's just the
Speaker 2: way it goes. So that was that was really really bizarre.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't know if the figure
Speaker 2: on the side of the road anything to do with it,
Speaker 2: if that was something weird, that's way out there, because
Speaker 2: neither one of us were familiar with our surroundings, neither
Speaker 2: one of us had ever been to this town before that.
Speaker 2: We found ourselves in the outskirts off, so you know,
Speaker 2: maybe it's something out there. I don't know. And it
Speaker 2: was a it was a long evening getting home, just weird,
Speaker 2: uncomfortable silence with her, not wanted to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And but then you've got an amazing story to tell.
Speaker 2: So I mean, there's the world's place, you know, it
Speaker 2: really is.
Speaker 1: There's just all kinds of things out there that it's
Speaker 1: thankfully it's just occasional. But the things that just don't
Speaker 1: make any sense, there's no rhyme or reason, and just
Speaker 1: pure anomalous stuff. And my brother, older brother, he's passed
Speaker 1: on now. He was a Pentecostal minister, and I asked
Speaker 1: him about stuff like that one time. In the clearest
Speaker 1: explanation I've ever heard of the supernatural from that perspective,
Speaker 1: was he said, what we consider the natural was spoken
Speaker 1: forth out of the supernatural. He said, So, therefore, there's
Speaker 1: going to be things that happen that we can't apply
Speaker 1: man's laws to, that we can't measure, that, we can't quantify.
Speaker 1: It just is it's anomalist. And then even my father,
Speaker 1: he was a scientist out at Oakridge National Laboratory there
Speaker 1: in East Tennessee, and he would talk about that sometimes
Speaker 1: there was things that happened in control conditions in a
Speaker 1: life laboratory that would never happen again. They couldn't get
Speaker 1: it to happen again. They didn't know how or why
Speaker 1: it happened. It wasn't supposed to happen, yet it did
Speaker 1: maybe one time. So there are all kinds of things
Speaker 1: out there that can't be explained.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there was that experiment and they could
Speaker 2: repeat it, but they don't understand it. Where they had
Speaker 2: the light particles and they had the slots, remember that,
Speaker 2: Uh huh, I read about it, and it would make
Speaker 2: a wave while they were watching it. As soon as
Speaker 2: they stopped, it acted like particles. It's like the particles
Speaker 2: themselves knew they were being observed. And to this day
Speaker 2: they don't understand why those light particles acted like that.
Speaker 2: They were firing photons through these slots with a surface
Speaker 2: on the other side that would record where the photons hit,
Speaker 2: and it behaved like it should while they were watching it.
Speaker 2: But when they stopped, it would it would act like
Speaker 2: a wave almost its filling in the gaps around the slots.
Speaker 2: It's like it knew it was being monitored.
Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Yeah, like it was cognizant. It knew, Hey,
Speaker 1: they're watching what we're supposed to. But you know, when
Speaker 1: when the counts away, the miso play type thing, Hey
Speaker 1: they're not looking, let's let's go wild.
Speaker 2: And you know Einstein, he his theories allowed for things
Speaker 2: like time dihlation and even time travel because you know,
Speaker 2: with energy is tied to gravity and electromagnetism, and things
Speaker 2: like that. And you know, the Earth is a big
Speaker 2: ball of electromagnetism. I mean there's and there's surges in it,
Speaker 2: and there's an ebb and flow to it. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's possibility that you could get in the right spot
Speaker 2: that could cause a time dilation event. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not outside the realm of possibility. Now, it's like in
Speaker 2: a black hole you get to the event horizon, time
Speaker 2: essentially stopped for you. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I believe that theory that the time isn't
Speaker 1: necessary latterly, it's you know, it's there are different streams
Speaker 1: of time things, some things go on. That's the explanation
Speaker 1: that I've heard for the Mandela effect, that there's different timelines.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I've heard it compared to like two pieces
Speaker 1: of silk and they come close enough together and maybe
Speaker 1: actually touch and you can see through both of them
Speaker 1: at the same time. But then when they part, one
Speaker 1: time stream goes one way, one goes the other. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: That's just I was chronic insomnia most of my life,
Speaker 1: and that's the kind of thoughts that would roll around
Speaker 1: in my head at night when I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be sleeping, just laying there.
Speaker 2: And there's just all kinds of I don't know. I
Speaker 2: love a good time slip story. It's never happened to me.
Speaker 2: Where people get a glimpse of the past, you know,
Speaker 2: and then they turn a corner and everything's normal again,
Speaker 2: and things like that. I think I've only ever had
Speaker 2: one or two of those stories submitted. You know, they're
Speaker 2: super rare, but I find them fascinating when they do
Speaker 2: come up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the other channel that I used to be on,
Speaker 1: I had a lady submit one over there that was
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: There was.
Speaker 1: Some people that lived in her neighborhood that had a
Speaker 1: coke machine on their front porch. It was a way
Speaker 1: to earn a little extra money. Plus it was kind
Speaker 1: of a community gathering place. Show people would show up
Speaker 1: and get a coke other machine and stand around on
Speaker 1: their porch and talk. She's on her way there to
Speaker 1: get a soda and she passes by a man that's
Speaker 1: standing in front of a vacant lot, and she's thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, why have I never seen this vacant love
Speaker 1: where she was just a kid. I have to tell
Speaker 1: the other kids about this. This is a perfect place
Speaker 1: to play ball, And said the man kind of looks
Speaker 1: down at her and smiles and said, how are you today,
Speaker 1: And just as he said that, he was gone, the
Speaker 1: vacant lot was no longer vacant. And She's like, I
Speaker 1: knew there wasn't a vacant lot there. I've walked down
Speaker 1: to that coke machine a hundred times and there's never
Speaker 1: been a vacant lot there. And she said, I wonder
Speaker 1: if somewhere in some time escape there was a man
Speaker 1: standing there and he saw a little girl walk by
Speaker 1: that just winked out. So interesting to think about, but
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's a time slip, a vacant lot
Speaker 1: that wasn't there, and a gentleman that just disappeared. I
Speaker 1: love stuff like that. I love those kind of stories,
Speaker 1: especially for his person.
Speaker 2: Oh I do too. And there was I guess I'm
Speaker 2: getting to that age where it's difficult for me to
Speaker 2: remember certain things. But there was a story of a
Speaker 2: pilot who was flying somewhere in England and he flew
Speaker 2: over an airfield and it was an airfield that was
Speaker 2: supposed to have been abandoned for the war, you know,
Speaker 2: and he talked about there being you know, planes there
Speaker 2: and they were yelling and they could see people in
Speaker 2: flight suits and it was a full field, you know,
Speaker 2: And then he circled back around and then gone. And
Speaker 2: this is right around World War Two. But then they
Speaker 2: were looking back at his notes years later and they
Speaker 2: actually ended up redeveloping that airfield and it was a
Speaker 2: private company and their planes were yellow. It's like he
Speaker 2: saw into the future for a moment, and he couldn't
Speaker 2: explain it at the time, but he made the report
Speaker 2: because they were always on the lookout for German outposts
Speaker 2: and things like that, and it was in his report,
Speaker 2: and then you know, fifty years later it came to pass.
Speaker 1: I've heard that story. I think it was his pre Wars,
Speaker 1: like nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 2: Or something, and he saw that it was right around and.
Speaker 1: Then he talked about it, and then later on I
Speaker 1: think he actually flew over it again and saw it.
Speaker 1: How it was that he saw it the other time,
Speaker 1: that he flew over it when it wasn't supposed to
Speaker 1: look that way, So definitely some kind of a time
Speaker 1: slip there.
Speaker 2: So what do you think about this man love effect?
Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's I think there's something to it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that many people misremember things that bad,
Speaker 1: because I've had people argue with me stuff that I remember,
Speaker 1: know exactly how it was, and they're like, no, it
Speaker 1: was never like that. And Jeff Peanut Butter, I've had
Speaker 1: people who try to say, no, it used to be Jippy.
Speaker 1: Well in my timeline, it was always Jip choosing brothers
Speaker 1: choose Jip. I can still remember the commercials, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that. But and with Nelson Mandela himself, I remember
Speaker 1: the first time he died and then he died again.
Speaker 1: And there's been a few people like that. Jim Nabors
Speaker 1: has died at least twice. He died once years and
Speaker 1: years ago, and I remember him talking about that, how
Speaker 1: he always sang the Indiana My Home song at Indianapolis
Speaker 1: five hundred and this, that and the other. And then
Speaker 1: he died again and they talked about the same thing again,
Speaker 1: but there was no record anywhere of him having died previously,
Speaker 1: of course. And then one of the most amazing to
Speaker 1: me is the character Jaws from the James Bond movies.
Speaker 1: They even made a commercial about the girl with the braces.
Speaker 1: But then now, in that James Bond movie, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have braces anymore. And that whole scene, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, the
Speaker 2: girl with the pigtails, and she had these metal braces
Speaker 2: and they turn and smile at the camera after at
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, when he kind of goes
Speaker 2: away or it goes his own way, and he just
Speaker 2: decides he's going to be happy with her, and we'll see.
Speaker 2: That was the whole draw of that scene was they
Speaker 2: both had the metal mouth. You know. Yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 1: For scene sense whatsoever.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I remember that scene very clearly. That
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite movies. I owned it on VHS,
Speaker 2: you know. I was a James Bond VHS collector at
Speaker 2: some point, you know, and I used to love those movies.
Speaker 2: And I just don't I know for a fact, I
Speaker 2: had seen that movie probably three dozen times, and she
Speaker 2: always had braces.
Speaker 1: That scene used to be there, I swear. And then
Speaker 1: another one there's a Bible verse about the lion lying
Speaker 1: down with the lamb that doesn't exist anymore. That's apparently
Speaker 1: a wolf instead of a lion. But I've read that before.
Speaker 1: I thought I had. I mean, how could I misremember
Speaker 1: something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was always a lion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes no sense. I used to go to
Speaker 1: a Christian bookstore that was called the Lion of the Lamb,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, why would they call it that
Speaker 1: if that didn't even exist?
Speaker 2: No, And it was just that one always bothered me
Speaker 2: because my family were really into church and I was
Speaker 2: always fascinated by theology in general, and when I was younger,
Speaker 2: and not because I wanted to be a pastor or
Speaker 2: anything like that, just because I just found it really interesting,
Speaker 2: you know. And so I had read the Bible many
Speaker 2: many times. I could quote scripture just because I mean,
Speaker 2: it was it was really interesting because it was the
Speaker 2: first I'm not gonna say mythological, but it was. It was.
Speaker 2: It had that that supernatural plus historical tie in, you know.
Speaker 2: That was fascinating, you know, it was, And so I
Speaker 2: read a lot of it. And it was never a
Speaker 2: I don't remember a wolf being mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: There was one line about a wolf in sheep's clothes,
Speaker 2: and and that that the saying came from. There was
Speaker 2: a it was paraphrase, of course, but there was something
Speaker 2: alluding to that had to do with the shepherd, you know,
Speaker 2: being wary of the wolf. But other than that, I
Speaker 2: don't ever remember a wolf being mentioned in the scripture
Speaker 2: at all. So when it was not a lion in
Speaker 2: the lamb it was a wolf in the lamb, it
Speaker 2: just it threw me. It really did.
Speaker 1: And again I don't know how that came about, how
Speaker 1: that something changed somewhere. Now there's one theory I've heard
Speaker 1: that the world really did end in twenty twelve for
Speaker 1: some people, and then for everybody else it continued on,
Speaker 1: and that's why things are different, that we're on a
Speaker 1: totally different timeline.
Speaker 2: Now. I've heard the theory that the Manila effect things
Speaker 2: started creeping up when they first fired up discerned particle
Speaker 2: accelerator that I've heard people say that that it somehow
Speaker 2: caused certain realities to split off and certain things to
Speaker 2: cross over, that it caused rifts and time space. I've
Speaker 2: heard that theory before, and the timeframe kind of lines
Speaker 2: up to win. That's when you first started hearing about
Speaker 2: Mandela effects, because I'm fifty and the Mandela effect thing
Speaker 2: is easily within the last ten fifteen years. Before that,
Speaker 2: there was never any mention of any false memories at all.
Speaker 2: Nobody had false memories of anything fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just turned sixty on Halloween, so I'm just
Speaker 1: ahead of you a little bit. But yeah, just I
Speaker 1: don't remember things. I'm not into my dotage enough yet
Speaker 1: that I'm forgetting things. It's like earlier, a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, on Thanksgiving, I was talking about the cornucopia
Speaker 1: and I said something about it being on the Fruit
Speaker 1: of the Loom logo. Well, apparently it never was. It's
Speaker 1: just the fruit on the label now for Fruit of
Speaker 1: the lum underwear. But I distinctly remembering there being a
Speaker 1: cornucopia there at one time.
Speaker 2: I do too, I remember there being.
Speaker 1: Was yeah, and there.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've got a friend named Yates. And
Speaker 2: Yates is one of those weird phenoms that has It's
Speaker 2: not a photographic memory. It's called an endemic memory, but
Speaker 2: it's similar to a photographic memory, like he got studied
Speaker 2: for it because his memory is so precise, you know,
Speaker 2: Like even now, Yates could sit down and write out
Speaker 2: word for word everything that was on his fifth grade
Speaker 2: page twenty seven geography book, you know, and he swears
Speaker 2: up and down. There was always been a cornicopia with
Speaker 2: further loom, and he remembers everything. He can't help but
Speaker 2: remember things. It keeps him up at night, and he
Speaker 2: would bet on his mama's life that there was a cornicopia.
Speaker 2: I trust him.
Speaker 1: No explanation.
Speaker 2: None. That's probably one of the that's probably one of
Speaker 2: those concerning things supernatural that's going on right now, as
Speaker 2: the whole Mandela effect, And it seems like every time
Speaker 2: you turn around there's another one. And apparently there's one
Speaker 2: about Pokemon, but I never got into Pokemon.
Speaker 1: I don't know that was whether it had a stripe
Speaker 1: on it or not. I was way beyond my time,
Speaker 1: but I remember differently than it supposedly is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't know anything. I didn't enough about
Speaker 2: that one to have an opinion. So, but the rest
Speaker 2: of them, like Nelson Mandela one that started at all,
Speaker 2: and that Shazam movie with Sindbad, I remember that, but
Speaker 2: apparently it never happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose that that never happened. But I worked
Speaker 1: in a video store at one time and we had
Speaker 1: copies of it, but now it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I remember it just because because I was
Speaker 2: still fairly young, and we used to go to there
Speaker 2: was two video stores in town. There was a Hollywood
Speaker 2: Video and there was a Blockbuster Video. And I was
Speaker 2: always been, you know, a movie buff, and I used
Speaker 2: to go in there and browse around. I remember that
Speaker 2: being a display of it, you know. And that was
Speaker 2: the first thing I remember seeing Sindbad and I ain't
Speaker 2: who Sinbad was, you know, so and then to find
Speaker 2: out that movie existed at all, it was kind of shocking.
Speaker 2: So and I think my sister had a copy of it,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, back because she that was
Speaker 2: her age range. She's like, she's younger than me, So
Speaker 2: it seems like that seems like.
Speaker 1: And the Berenstein be Bears, there's I've known people that
Speaker 1: claim to have a copy of it one way and
Speaker 1: then they dug it out of the parents' attic, and
Speaker 1: it's it's way other than they remember it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's changed, That's the thing. It's like, all
Speaker 2: evidence of it is just you know, has changed with it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: But you're right, I think it has something to do
Speaker 1: with sirn because about the time they fired out, that
Speaker 1: was when you start hearing these stories. Nothing that blows
Speaker 1: my mind curious George never had a tail, Yes, he did.
Speaker 1: I remember in the books him hanging from a tree,
Speaker 1: from it and doing stuff. Now he doesn't have a tail.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that one cover. I remember it. He's hanging
Speaker 2: from a tree. He's got that weird pointed hat with
Speaker 2: the brim hanging in his hand, and he's hanging by
Speaker 2: his tail and that yellow hat that he wore. And
Speaker 2: I remember the book. I had that book as a child,
Speaker 2: you know. But apparently he had a tale. It's sure
Speaker 2: enough on to be the streaming service or whatever they
Speaker 2: have old creous George cartoons, and he doesn't have a
Speaker 2: tail anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's you're right, Oh, it is a
Speaker 1: strange world out there in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: I just I would part of me would love to
Speaker 2: know the answers, and then part of me that enjoys
Speaker 2: the mystery. I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I said earlier, if we had all
Speaker 1: the answers, that the journey wouldn't be half as much fun.
Speaker 2: As it is, and it has been, and it just
Speaker 2: makes you wonder, what's what are we going to see tomorrow?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can't wait. And I'm here
Speaker 1: in New England. I've only been here since July. There's
Speaker 1: so much history here in so many places that I
Speaker 1: want to explore and and look at, and uh, it
Speaker 1: just it's amazing. I've always felt a draw to here,
Speaker 1: even as a child, and now here I am, and uh,
Speaker 1: I just love it. There's just there's so much here
Speaker 1: to see and do it. I've lived all over the country.
Speaker 1: I've lived on both coasts. I've lived in fl lived
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, Oregon, Washington State, New Mexico, and now
Speaker 1: here I am in New England. And I love it.
Speaker 1: It's my new playground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's beautiful up there. I've been through there
Speaker 2: a couple of times. I live outside Gettysburg now Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's the place I need to go. I've
Speaker 1: been invited several times when they have the the ghost
Speaker 1: thing of the Boobash or whatever it is in Gettysburg.
Speaker 1: Cisco Murdoch that does Journey through the Gate Paranormal Portal
Speaker 1: podcast on YouTube. She goes often, and she and I
Speaker 1: wrote a book together and she's begged me to come
Speaker 1: to Gettysburg. So maybe this time I'm not that far
Speaker 1: away from it, like I was. So maybe the next
Speaker 1: time they have something, I'll get to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me know, I'll meet you up there in
Speaker 2: my house. That'd be great. But like she'd be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Now she may be moving closer
Speaker 1: to Gettysburg. I think she's getting ready to vacate New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm supposed to talk about that
Speaker 1: yet or not, but she may be a near neighbor
Speaker 1: to you soon.
Speaker 2: It's nice. I've only lived up here for about five
Speaker 2: or six years now, originally from the mountains of North Carolina, Oh,
Speaker 2: around North Wilkesboro area. Yeah, I grew up down there,
Speaker 2: and some weird stuff down there too, at the mountains
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I grew up in East Tennessee and went to
Speaker 1: the smoke. He's often so that part of East Tennessee
Speaker 1: and western North Carolina. I'm very familiar with it.
Speaker 2: And my childhood friend he had an experience in the
Speaker 2: woods when we were I guess we were about seven,
Speaker 2: I guess around seven or eight year old, and I
Speaker 2: never did get the details of it, but he was
Speaker 2: my best friend and really didn't have a choice because
Speaker 2: where my parents live. You can't even see another house
Speaker 2: from their house. They have something they sit on about
Speaker 2: seventeen hundred acres of land, and a lot of it's
Speaker 2: farm lands, but a lot of it still would and undeveloped.
Speaker 2: And then his family was the closest family that lived hours.
Speaker 2: Their property bordered hours, and his dad was a farmer,
Speaker 2: and so, you know, and we were still our houses
Speaker 2: are still a mile from each other. But he was
Speaker 2: the closest kid around, you know, and we got along famously.
Speaker 2: We were best friends. And between the two of us,
Speaker 2: he was always the outgoing, you know. And I used
Speaker 2: to go to his house in the morning because that
Speaker 2: was as far as the bus would go, you know,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't come all the way up to my house.
Speaker 2: And so my parents would drive me off of his
Speaker 2: house early in the morning and I'd hang out with
Speaker 2: Stephen for breakfast. Then we'd get on the bus together
Speaker 2: during elementary school. And I went over there one day
Speaker 2: and Steven didn't come down, and his mom was in
Speaker 2: the kitchen. I said, well, weh's Steven, you know, and
Speaker 2: she's like, well, he's not feeling good today, okay, And
Speaker 2: then his dad told me he's like, you know, I
Speaker 2: didn't see Stephen for days, and his dad said, well,
Speaker 2: Stephen saw something in the woods and he's not really
Speaker 2: okay about it. And I kid you not had to
Speaker 2: pull him out of school. My buddy did not say another,
Speaker 2: did not utter a word to anyone as far as
Speaker 2: I know, for like three years. It scared the speech
Speaker 2: out of him.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's hardcore. Do you have any idea of what
Speaker 1: he saw?
Speaker 2: Eventually got him to open up about it as adults,
Speaker 2: and he still was super vague, and you could tell
Speaker 2: it bothered him. All he would say was it shimmered
Speaker 2: and it killed my dog, and yeah, his dog got
Speaker 2: gone right around that time. I didn't mention it because
Speaker 2: I was so focused on Stephen, but he had a
Speaker 2: dog named Bear that I never saw again. And he
Speaker 2: eventually he said he wouldn't go into detail about what
Speaker 2: it was, but he said it was big and it shimmered,
Speaker 2: and he said it killed his dog right in front
Speaker 2: of him.
Speaker 1: Almost sounds like what they call the glimmerman or the
Speaker 1: predator creature. There's a lot of encounters with that. I
Speaker 1: had an experience with something like that in downtown Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 1: real late one night at a bus stop. It was
Speaker 1: a humanoid shape, but a very small stature human and
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a heat or steam or
Speaker 1: something rising out of a street vent. And I walked
Speaker 1: up to where I could see it better, and there
Speaker 1: was no event there, and it just kind of hunkered
Speaker 1: down behind the garbage can. I don't know what that was,
Speaker 1: but I got out of there. I was waiting on
Speaker 1: the last train out there, the commuter train, the Orange Line.
Speaker 1: I'd been to something that pile's books, a book signing
Speaker 1: or an author reading or something, and I was hanging
Speaker 1: around down there. I was the only one at the
Speaker 1: train stop, and that scared the life out of me.
Speaker 1: And I hustled lot up the block or about six
Speaker 1: blocks to the next train station, and thankfully there were
Speaker 1: people around there. But I've heard some strange encounters that
Speaker 1: Bruce mcby, UFO researcher, His wife jan was a deer
Speaker 1: hunting in a tree sand and saw something like that
Speaker 1: in the next tree over. She said it looked like
Speaker 1: she was looking through cellophane or a plastic wrap or something,
Speaker 1: but it was a vaguely humanoid shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever it was, it changed him for life. He
Speaker 2: became very with drawn I'm super, super shy after that.
Speaker 2: And like I said, he was always the outgoing one
Speaker 2: between the two of us, and he withdrew from public
Speaker 2: school completely. He had to be homeschool. He eventually returned
Speaker 2: to high school for the last year, I think just
Speaker 2: so he could graduate with people he knew and have
Speaker 2: some sort of normal adjustment. But no, he was never
Speaker 2: the same whatever he saw, And like I said, I
Speaker 2: wish he would he would have told me exactly what happened,
Speaker 2: but he would say little about it. You could tell
Speaker 2: it was it. It bothered him to the point where
Speaker 2: he would tell me really what happened.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, that's amazing, those life changing encounters,
Speaker 1: experiences like that. I've never had one that affected me
Speaker 1: to that degree. But wow, that's really something.
Speaker 2: So and I believe him because I don't think for
Speaker 2: whatever he's and it's not like he could have run
Speaker 2: into something out there that he just didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was, because I mean, we were little farm boys.
Speaker 2: We had been running around this property all over the
Speaker 2: woods and stuff pretty much unsupervised our whole lives. You know.
Speaker 2: We'd go out in the morning and come back at dark,
Speaker 2: and it was just most of it's wooded, you know,
Speaker 2: and we would just be out and about, so I
Speaker 2: mean we were real familiar with you know, wildlife and
Speaker 2: everything else that you would normally come across. We did
Speaker 2: have one weird experience together before that happened. There was
Speaker 2: one area that both of our parents had told us
Speaker 2: not to go into this area, that it was dangerous.
Speaker 2: There was holes, it was like a rocky area. It
Speaker 2: was a real overgrown that we could fall in a
Speaker 2: hole and get lost, you know, stay out of there,
Speaker 2: and so we avoided it. And it was close to
Speaker 2: dusk one night, and we were the old rule was
Speaker 2: we always had to be home by dark. They didn't
Speaker 2: want to be out past dark because we were little,
Speaker 2: you know, And we were just getting ready to head back,
Speaker 2: and we were talking about whether we were gonna split
Speaker 2: up or if we were both going to to his
Speaker 2: house and have dinner, because that counted as being home
Speaker 2: if I went to his house, you know, because our
Speaker 2: parents knew each other real well. And we were just
Speaker 2: about ready to break off and walk back toward home.
Speaker 2: We had been playing army, which is basically like tag
Speaker 2: sort of where we hide and sneak up with each other,
Speaker 2: and so we were getting to head back, and we
Speaker 2: heard his dad calling him, Steve, come here, come see
Speaker 2: what I see, you know, come see what I found
Speaker 2: or something, And we could hear him just clear as day.
Speaker 2: And it was coming from this area that we're not
Speaker 2: supposed to go to. And I just remember, I got
Speaker 2: a real bad feeling because, one, what would Jack be
Speaker 2: doing way out you know here, because we were we
Speaker 2: we knew that we were a good forty forty five
Speaker 2: minutes if we hustled back to the house, you know,
Speaker 2: we were way out there, you know, and so we
Speaker 2: didn't really know. Oh and and we didn't call back,
Speaker 2: you know, because we didn't know what to think, and
Speaker 2: because we had been told so much out to go
Speaker 2: over there, we were scared to go over there, you know,
Speaker 2: especially with the sun getting low and having to be back.
Speaker 2: So finally I just whisper, I said, Steve, let's just
Speaker 2: head back to the house and we'll just say we
Speaker 2: didn't hear him. If he gets bad that, you know,
Speaker 2: we'll say, oh, we didn't hear you. You know. Well,
Speaker 2: we hustled back to the house and wait, we were
Speaker 2: there and his dad wasn't there. And but then his
Speaker 2: dad come in just back from they had some chicken house.
Speaker 2: It's easily like, I'm just just coming in from the
Speaker 2: chicken house, which is on the other side of the property.
Speaker 2: So there's no way he could have been out there
Speaker 2: in that in that holler, you know. So that was weird,
Speaker 2: and we never really spoke about it much, but but
Speaker 2: I remembered that when when Steve had his encounter or
Speaker 2: whatever that messed him up so bad. I thought about
Speaker 2: that earlier. I never brought it up, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not heard stories like that. There are things
Speaker 1: out there that will mimic known voice and voices known
Speaker 1: to the person hearing them. In fact, I had somebody
Speaker 1: send me a story the other day for Midnight Mailbox
Speaker 1: where they were out in the woods and they started
Speaker 1: hearing not just one voice, but several voices that they recognized,
Speaker 1: like their aunt and a kid that they knew, and
Speaker 1: their best friend. And I've heard other cases where people
Speaker 1: maybe were out in the woods and heard a familiar
Speaker 1: voice coming out of a cave, and that'd be a
Speaker 1: big nope for me, especially if it's somebody that's either
Speaker 1: passed on or somebody that's halfway across the country. And
Speaker 1: I hear their voice coming out of a cave. No, sir,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go check it out.
Speaker 2: No, No, it was. Yeah, it was really creepy. And
Speaker 2: we never really talked about it, you know. And after
Speaker 2: and it wasn't long after this, probably a year or
Speaker 2: so before, you know, whatever happened to him happened to
Speaker 2: him out in the woods, and and then I was
Speaker 2: just I sort of avoided the subject of anything stranger
Speaker 2: supernatural around him, you know, I just didn't bring it
Speaker 2: up so I didn't want to upset him further.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something else have been. Like you said, it
Speaker 1: shocked the speech.
Speaker 2: Out of him.
Speaker 1: That's wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was really strange, and it was
Speaker 2: it was rough, and we were best friends, so I
Speaker 2: still went over there and hung out with him every day,
Speaker 2: but he just really wouldn't talk. And it was a
Speaker 2: long time for he would even say a word here
Speaker 2: or there to me. I mean, like a year or
Speaker 2: two and he still wouldn't really talk talk. He'd just
Speaker 2: say a word here or there, just enough to communicate.
Speaker 2: And it come to a stranger his.
Speaker 1: Entire story, if he ever gets the point where he
Speaker 1: can tell it, but that's probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Sadly, No, I don't. He he had a really rough
Speaker 2: time with it. He's had a rough time since. He's
Speaker 2: further sort of become a recluse since then.
Speaker 1: And it was something to fundamentally change your personality like that,
Speaker 1: that's just, uh just say, boggles of mind. I can't imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, what would scare me that bad. And I've
Speaker 1: had some some frightening encounters, but nothing so bad that
Speaker 1: it made me, you know, not want to talk or
Speaker 1: to withdraw from other people or the change, you know,
Speaker 1: just my very nature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he became, and I love the guy. He's a
Speaker 2: good hearted guy, and he just to this day he's
Speaker 2: almost a complete recluse. He you know, no social media,
Speaker 2: is no you know, intermittently has a phone. Like when
Speaker 2: I go to visit my parents, like I'll journey up
Speaker 2: to his cabin to see him, and even then he
Speaker 2: may may not come to the door, you know, Like
Speaker 2: he's completely kind of withdrew from society. And I mean
Speaker 2: he's still alive and everything, but he just doesn't He
Speaker 2: definitely he makes an effort to not interact anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, I would love to know more of the circumstances,
Speaker 1: it was whatever it was told him, you know, don't
Speaker 1: talk to people, don't don't be friendly with people, don't
Speaker 1: associate with people, or if it's just just shattered his
Speaker 1: psyche to the point that that's how he deals with it,
Speaker 1: is just to withdraw it further and further into himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and his parents won't really tell me more
Speaker 2: about what he saw either, And I think they know
Speaker 2: more than I do, which is weird, because his bomb
Speaker 2: used to tell me stories that there used to be
Speaker 2: up on the dirt roads up there. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of dirt roads up in that area, just south of Books.
Speaker 2: There's an area called vash Tie that's really spooky and
Speaker 2: lots of dirt roads. And they lived from this old farmhouse,
Speaker 2: her and her family when she was little, and they
Speaker 2: would talk about these orbs of light that would just
Speaker 2: float up and down the road, and they called them
Speaker 2: ghost lights, and they would sort of revolve a little bit,
Speaker 2: and they'd see them just float up and down the road.
Speaker 2: And they were telling me one night, and his sister
Speaker 2: or her sister, her mom's sister actually was sitting there
Speaker 2: and they both recalled the story. When they were all
Speaker 2: setting in the house and one of these ghost lights
Speaker 2: floated right up to their house through the screen door
Speaker 2: and floated right through the house in front of everybody.
Speaker 2: Early afternoon. There's maybe ten people in the house that
Speaker 2: saw it just go floating right by and not even
Speaker 2: four or five feet from them out the back door,
Speaker 2: and just kept going. No sound, no heat, just a
Speaker 2: glowing ball of light.
Speaker 1: Again, fascinating. Now, have you ever been over to Brown Mountain,
Speaker 1: North Carolina and seeing those lights over there?
Speaker 2: I have, yes, yes, predictable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to live in a little town called
Speaker 1: Mountain City, Tennessee, way up in the northeastern tip and
Speaker 1: just a little way down the road from Boone, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and I would make that trip over to Wiseman Gorge
Speaker 1: and watch those lights. That's just one of the most
Speaker 1: fascinating things I've ever seen. The first time I saw them,
Speaker 1: it looked like somebody with almost like a fluorescent lantern
Speaker 1: running through the woods over there on the other side
Speaker 1: of the gorge, and I thought, that's just, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody messing around. And I ended up spending the night
Speaker 1: up there out in the woods. And the next morning
Speaker 1: when I woke up and I could actually see them.
Speaker 1: Those are like sheer cliff faces over there. There's some
Speaker 1: trees growing out of it, but there's no way you
Speaker 1: could even walk through there a little alone run with
Speaker 1: a lantern, but those are I don't know, there's something otherworldly.
Speaker 1: I think there have been pit seismologists and people like that,
Speaker 1: I think from North Carolina State or one of the
Speaker 1: universities over there study those and their findings were inconclusive.
Speaker 1: And other people try to say, oh, it's lights of cars.
Speaker 1: They're trained, but they saw those lights in there before
Speaker 1: there were ever cars or a train or anything back
Speaker 1: in that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the people have seen them since the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and they're so regular, like if I mean you'll see
Speaker 2: them nine times out of ten going there, I mean
Speaker 2: it's rare you won't see them. It's for something to
Speaker 2: be that frequent and so regular and still not have
Speaker 2: an explanation after all these years is just bad.
Speaker 1: Me heard page of electricity, you know, tectonic plates shifting
Speaker 1: and it causes I don't know, it looks like somebody
Speaker 1: with a lantern to me, or landers of some of it.
Speaker 1: And then there's ones that fly over and they change colors,
Speaker 1: and I've seen them a big one split into three
Speaker 1: or four smaller ones and then joined back together. It's
Speaker 1: again fascinating. I went up there maybe a half dozen times,
Speaker 1: and I saw him every time I was there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you had to wait real late at night, but
Speaker 1: I saw him every time. It seemed like if it
Speaker 1: was raining or a little misty that they were out earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time. I've been up there, probably five or
Speaker 2: six times, and I've seen them every single time. So
Speaker 2: and it's just and I don't know, it's strange to
Speaker 2: me that there could be something, you know, supernatural or
Speaker 2: unexplained that you can just go see whenever you want,
Speaker 2: that it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, regular hasn't a put up a viewing stand or
Speaker 1: something up there and then charge people to see it.
Speaker 1: It's it's something to see. And then I would recommend
Speaker 1: it to anybody. If you're anywhere near Brown Mountain, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: go and have a look. Now, there's one place, just
Speaker 1: a wide spot on the side of the road, who
Speaker 1: is a viewing area. But if you go on the
Speaker 1: other side of the gorge and it takes them get
Speaker 1: into it was like a gravel road. You had to
Speaker 1: go way back in there, but they had it. It's
Speaker 1: a state forest or some kind of park back in there.
Speaker 1: They had an outhouse and everything, so a little bit
Speaker 1: of convenience, but had to work to get to it.
Speaker 1: But that's the best place to see him from in
Speaker 1: my experience.
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I've been there. It's
Speaker 2: been fifteen or twenty years probably, but yeah, we used
Speaker 2: to go up there. I've been fascinated by the paranormal
Speaker 2: and stuff pretty much ever since my friend saw whatever
Speaker 2: he saw. That Really it.
Speaker 1: Started with me when I'd already had some experiences saw
Speaker 1: but they would look like Christmas lights, but they were
Speaker 1: flying around the house. I was probably about three when
Speaker 1: I saw that. I was trying to catch them, and
Speaker 1: my Dad's like, what are you doing. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get those Christmas lights, daddy. But it was
Speaker 1: in the summertime there weren't any Christmas lights. That was
Speaker 1: the first thing that I really remember. But when I
Speaker 1: saw the apparition of the little boy run across the
Speaker 1: road and then like little kids, and you, as a parent,
Speaker 1: probably know what I'm talking about. They've just barely mastered
Speaker 1: the art of walking, and they find out that they
Speaker 1: can run, but they don't really know how to stop,
Speaker 1: and they'll just fall down. That's what this toddler did.
Speaker 1: But when he hit the ground, he was just gone.
Speaker 1: I still see him, the outfit he had on and everything,
Speaker 1: no idea what that was. Now. My grandmother, my maternal grandmother,
Speaker 1: she was a self prescribed gypsy witch. I don't know
Speaker 1: where she gets the gypsy part because she was born
Speaker 1: in to Cade's cobery the Smokies. But later in life
Speaker 1: I asked her about that, and her explanation was kind
Speaker 1: of cryptic. But it's like, well, there's some things you're
Speaker 1: meant to see. There's some things that other people it's
Speaker 1: something for them and you can see it too, and
Speaker 1: then there's other things you don't know why you see it.
Speaker 1: If ever, maybe not even in retrospect. It just is.
Speaker 1: And that is all I could get out of her
Speaker 1: about it. But again, that's what started me on my journey.
Speaker 1: And it didn't scare me, didn't frighten me, but I
Speaker 1: just like, what was that? You know, little kids don't
Speaker 1: run across the road and fall down disappearingment At five
Speaker 1: years old, I knew that and just started me on
Speaker 1: a quest. And as Charles Fort wrote one measures a
Speaker 1: circle beginning anywhere, you're always going to come right back
Speaker 1: around to the same thing. And that's where I'm at,
Speaker 1: where I've been, and then where I'll always be. I
Speaker 1: think triah Askath, where the road go. I was not
Speaker 1: with him one time, and he described the paranormal as
Speaker 1: like a big jigsaw puzzle, but you don't have the
Speaker 1: box lid, so you can't even don't know what picture
Speaker 1: you're trying to make out of the puzzle. And then
Speaker 1: the farther you get into it, you realize that some
Speaker 1: joker has mixed together seven or eight puzzles, so there
Speaker 1: are pieces that don't fit anywhere in the puzzle you're
Speaker 1: trying to put together. And I thought that was a
Speaker 1: good analogy.
Speaker 2: You know, your grandmother sounds like one of those, uh,
Speaker 2: one of those old mountain witches, one of those Appalachian
Speaker 2: mountain witches.
Speaker 1: Granny witches is the real term for it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know where the gypsy came from, but she knows.
Speaker 2: What they call him up there. They they they attached
Speaker 2: the jipsy to it because my great grandmother apparently had
Speaker 2: rumors about her. I never met her, but and I
Speaker 2: didn't hear about it until I was dating. When I
Speaker 2: was a kid, and I remember going to this girl's
Speaker 2: house and her grandmother was was wouldn't let me up
Speaker 2: on her porch because she said that I was related
Speaker 2: to that witchy woman. And I went and asked my
Speaker 2: parents what they're talking about, and they told me that
Speaker 2: Versy was a people thought she was a witch because
Speaker 2: she would she would she would buy warts. Did you
Speaker 2: ever heard that? Would they buy warts?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: She would give you a yeah, just take a penny
Speaker 2: or something and then your warts would be gone the
Speaker 2: next day. And apparently she taught my grandfather, her son
Speaker 2: to blow fire.
Speaker 1: That I never did say that now, but the warts.
Speaker 1: She took a ward off my thumb one time with
Speaker 1: a piece of gravel and she rubbed it on the
Speaker 1: ward and told me where to take it and put it.
Speaker 1: And she said, the next person that walks over where
Speaker 1: you put that gravel, they'll get your ward. And within
Speaker 1: a day or two the wart was gone. So whatever
Speaker 1: she did it worked. But she she didn't cast spells
Speaker 1: as far as I know, but she told fortunes. She
Speaker 1: read tea leaves and coffee grounds, animal entrails. She did
Speaker 1: a little bit of palmistry, and she practiced fornology, which
Speaker 1: is kind of a lost art now, but that was
Speaker 1: where they could tell things about you by the bumps
Speaker 1: on your skull, and that was kind of a turn
Speaker 1: of the last century type of thing. I've seen those
Speaker 1: old ceramic heads with the areas marked off on them.
Speaker 1: But she was a fascinating lay. I was scared of
Speaker 1: her when she was little. She when I was little,
Speaker 1: she looked like a witch, like the Hanzl and Gretel
Speaker 1: type witch, and I was scared to death over her.
Speaker 1: And I've had people come to me later in their
Speaker 1: life and say, you know, your grandma knew things that
Speaker 1: she didn't have any way of knowing. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: telling me. She would pop out with things like that
Speaker 1: sometimes that things about me that she had no way
Speaker 1: something I'd seen or felt or heard. She wasn't anywhere around,
Speaker 1: but she knew about it. And she passed away when
Speaker 1: I was thirteen years old. But I wish I'd had
Speaker 1: another thirteen with her, because I could have learned a
Speaker 1: lot from her.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, that's a whole loure up there in
Speaker 2: the mountains with those old ways like that. And you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like low and fire, and I've heard I've heard
Speaker 2: of some of those mountain people could like stop bleeding,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I was just.
Speaker 1: Thinking of that. There's a Bible verse that's supposed to
Speaker 1: staunch blood, which you have to walk. I think it's
Speaker 1: north when you read it, and there was a whole
Speaker 1: order to it that you had to do it in.
Speaker 1: But I've seen her do that before. And again no
Speaker 1: explanation for well, she's more of a kitchen witch. You know.
Speaker 1: The bowl that she used for scrying on Saturday night
Speaker 1: might have mash taters in it on Sunday morning on
Speaker 1: the dinner table, you know. But a granny witch or
Speaker 1: a kitchen witch is what they call her these days.
Speaker 1: But she called herself a gypsy witch, and that was
Speaker 1: to differentiate because there were other types of witches up
Speaker 1: there in that area that she didn't like and didn't
Speaker 1: want to be a part of. She would put garlic,
Speaker 1: clothes of garlic in the keels and house that she
Speaker 1: lived in. This big old Victorian farmhouse had this old
Speaker 1: key holds it. It took like a skeleton key, and
Speaker 1: at night she would poke clothes of garlic in there
Speaker 1: and say that was to keep witches from getting in
Speaker 1: the house and it'll be black. But aren't you a witch?
Speaker 1: And she said those are different witches, you know, and
Speaker 1: had a lot of stories about hats and boogers and things.
Speaker 1: She used to say, there's a haint, never holler.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 1: She she'd moved out of that area, of course, to
Speaker 1: Kate's Cove and stuff back when she was small. But
Speaker 1: she'd say, it's pretty up there in the mountains, she said,
Speaker 1: but don't let it catch out after dark because there's
Speaker 1: a haint, never holler. And I mean she was right,
Speaker 1: there's smoke, especially Kate's Cove. I'd say Kate's Cove and
Speaker 1: probably the north shore of Ontanna Lake are the two
Speaker 1: most paranormally active areas in the Smokies. I'll say it
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, it's it's it's a culture up there,
Speaker 2: and there's not a lot really talked about it, but
Speaker 2: it's a deep, rich, like like folkal or culture with
Speaker 2: the dowsing rods and all the stuff.
Speaker 1: And he was what they call the water, which he
Speaker 1: could take a piece of willow, a forked willow branch,
Speaker 1: and he could find not only water, but pipes and
Speaker 1: things that were underground. He showed me how to do it,
Speaker 1: and I tried every way in the world to keep
Speaker 1: the end of that stick from pointing down. I mean,
Speaker 1: pull him back as hard as I could, and it
Speaker 1: would still dip down to the point it was a
Speaker 1: fresh willow branch, and it stripped the bark off in
Speaker 1: my hands. It was trying to pull down sorrd. Can't
Speaker 1: explain it, but it works. But he could do the
Speaker 1: same thing with a couple of pieces of coat hanger.
Speaker 1: Didn't have to be anything special. It was just, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever he had, but fascinating. Now there's another guy. I've
Speaker 1: had him on the show before, Jared King. He has
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel called Jared King TV and that's pretty
Speaker 1: much all he talks about is apple and hands, buggers
Speaker 1: and witches, and he's got some great stuff over there.
Speaker 1: If you're into that sort of folklore and the granny
Speaker 1: witches and stuff, give his channel to listen. I think
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised pleasantly. But all the stuff he talks
Speaker 1: about over there at all the tails and.
Speaker 2: Stuff, yeah, I would like to. I'd probably check him
Speaker 2: out because that was something I always found fascinating because
Speaker 2: my parents, my immediate parents were very religious, very Southern Baptist,
Speaker 2: and so they kind of frowned on all that stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, and they kind of sort of tried to
Speaker 2: keep it away from me growing up, you know. And
Speaker 2: my grandfather passed away when I was sixteen. He of
Speaker 2: course like he could blow fire, you know, she had
Speaker 2: taught him how to blow fire, and he actually I
Speaker 2: had to burn from a motorcycle. They strayed dirt bikes
Speaker 2: as a kid, and I got pinned and it pulled
Speaker 2: up my pants and it burned my calf muscle pretty bad.
Speaker 2: It blistered immediately, you know, and his house was close by,
Speaker 2: and he did the fire blowing thing on it, which
Speaker 2: is he just kind of cupped his hands and he
Speaker 2: just kind of blew on my calf and he said
Speaker 2: some kind of words in a whisper. I don't know
Speaker 2: what he said, and it healed it within The pain
Speaker 2: went away immediately, like immediately, and then the next day
Speaker 2: it was like it had never happened, you know. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's stuff to it, and I don't understand
Speaker 2: how it works.
Speaker 1: So I don't know mind over matter or if it
Speaker 1: is some kind of witchery or what. And I know
Speaker 1: somebody had told me a story about it was from
Speaker 1: that area. Their cow had gone dry, and the man,
Speaker 1: the husband, was out in the woods hunting and he
Speaker 1: saw a woman that had built a cow, an effigy
Speaker 1: of a cow out of sticks, and she was milking
Speaker 1: this average of a cow and it was actually given milk,
Speaker 1: and he fired the shotgun. He didn't shoot at her,
Speaker 1: but shot overhead, and she ran off. And he went
Speaker 1: over there and tore that wooden cow apart, stick cow apart,
Speaker 1: and then her cow started giving milk again. And they
Speaker 1: said that that's what happened, that she had bewitched their
Speaker 1: cow and that's why it wasn't given milk. And there's
Speaker 1: all kinds of fascinating stories like that in the southern Apalasis.
Speaker 2: Man, there's a there's an area up there, not too
Speaker 2: far from where I grew up, And only I had
Speaker 2: never heard of this, and I haven't heard of it since.
Speaker 2: And I used to date this girl that lived over there,
Speaker 2: and I talked to her, well, I brought it up
Speaker 2: to her because I had been one night I'd been
Speaker 2: at this gas It was the only gas station that
Speaker 2: was open twenty four hours around this little town, and
Speaker 2: so that's where I had to go. And I was
Speaker 2: there in this car, peeling, this beat up car, and
Speaker 2: dude jumps out, runs in. The other guy gets out
Speaker 2: frantically tries to stop off the gas. The other guy's
Speaker 2: paying for it, and I was just like, I could
Speaker 2: tell they were in distress, you know. So I walked
Speaker 2: over and I'm like, are you guys all right, you know,
Speaker 2: he said, And these guys were, And they might have
Speaker 2: been drinking a little bit, you know, And there was
Speaker 2: three of them, and you know, they were just dumb teenagers.
Speaker 2: And they were like, he goes, we were driving and
Speaker 2: we were in this area and and a big dog
Speaker 2: went walking across the road and and he's like and
Speaker 2: and Jimmy, Jimmy was like, I think it'd be fun
Speaker 2: to hit it, you know, because they're stupid rednecks, you know.
Speaker 2: And and apparently they hit this thing, and they swore
Speaker 2: that it rolled got up on two legs and started
Speaker 2: chasing their car and it was tearing at the back
Speaker 2: of the car. And their plan was just to get
Speaker 2: gass and just keep driving until the sun came up.
Speaker 2: They were certain that whatever they hit was after them.
Speaker 2: And I rolled around the back of their car, and
Speaker 2: it was an old rusted car, a beat up car,
Speaker 2: you know, but there were fresh metal gash marks and
Speaker 2: the rust on the back of this car. That kind
Speaker 2: of stuck with me, you know. So I talked to
Speaker 2: this girl and she was like, well, I've seen that thing,
Speaker 2: and I said really, She said yeah, she said, this
Speaker 2: is this whole. She lived on a place that was
Speaker 2: called Devil Track Road because apparently they had been seeing
Speaker 2: this thing for so many years, and there was an
Speaker 2: old dirt road called old Devil Track Road, and they
Speaker 2: even named the road that because they were building it
Speaker 2: they would find all these weird tracks in the area.
Speaker 2: And she said. The story goes that her grandmother told
Speaker 2: her that there were three witches. They were sisters. They
Speaker 2: called them the blanken Ship Sisters, and apparently they were
Speaker 2: they thought other witches were siphoning their power or something.
Speaker 2: They were like a group of witches, and so they
Speaker 2: summoned this demon that was supposed to eat witches, and
Speaker 2: they wanted to get rid of their competition. But apparently
Speaker 2: something went wrong and the Blankenship Sisters, according to the story, disappeared,
Speaker 2: and so this thing is still just roaming the area,
Speaker 2: and she says she's seen it several times. She said,
Speaker 2: it's just ty. It sounded like a sasquash. What she
Speaker 2: sounded like, she said had long had blondish hair, but
Speaker 2: it could look like a big shaggy dog, or it
Speaker 2: could stand up and walk like a human. And she
Speaker 2: called it an evoc and I had never heard that
Speaker 2: term before since so but I would love to not.
Speaker 1: To me or that either of it. Yeah, that sounds interesting.
Speaker 1: And then I've noticed that Lauren Coleman wrote about it
Speaker 1: back in the eighties and then Charles Ford even prior
Speaker 1: to that place is with devil names, you know that
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times there will be some sort
Speaker 1: of anomalist activity there. And there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: theories on that. It's so called because you know, the
Speaker 1: settlers of the Native Americans even experienced things there and
Speaker 1: they gave it the devil name, or just giving it
Speaker 1: the devil name attracts stuff there. So I could see
Speaker 1: it going either way. But it's interesting to think about.
Speaker 1: You think about a lot of missing person cases that
Speaker 1: I cover. It will be around or in or near
Speaker 1: some place that has devil or dioblo or some variant
Speaker 1: like that in the.
Speaker 2: Name, and you can find it on map. It's in
Speaker 2: the Taylorsville area over in the Ellendale community because she
Speaker 2: lived in Taylorsville and it was south of Boone. You know,
Speaker 2: it's about forty five minutes where I grew up. And
Speaker 2: you can look on the map and you can find
Speaker 2: Devil Track Road, Double Track Circle, and Old Devil Track Road.
Speaker 2: It's still called that right on the map. But I
Speaker 2: would love to know more about that area. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm hoping someday I'll get some submissions from that area
Speaker 2: that I'll line up with it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, have you ever been over close to I
Speaker 1: thinks lost the Silar City, the Devil's Tramping Ground. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen that?
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. No, I've always wanted to. We're
Speaker 2: supposed to be the big circle that, Yeah, put something
Speaker 2: in it outside the circle.
Speaker 1: Diameter so that there's supposedly the ground there is absolutely sterile.
Speaker 1: Nothing grows there, nothing will ever grow there. And uh,
Speaker 1: last time I was up there, there was like beer
Speaker 1: cans and trash and stuff in it. But uh, there
Speaker 1: was a story that some boy scouts tried to camp
Speaker 1: in it. And drove them out of their minds. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it's it's it's got a creepy feel
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see it sometimes. That's one of my
Speaker 2: dreams if I ever my YouTube channel ever gets large enough,
Speaker 2: and because I only invest in it when I make
Speaker 2: up out of it, I like to make a couple
Speaker 2: of motorcycle road trips where I visit some of these
Speaker 2: haunted places the go pro.
Speaker 1: And make videos about it. Yeah, that's property, But the
Speaker 1: road up there where it is that, I don't I
Speaker 1: think they've changed the name now, but it used to
Speaker 1: be Devil Stomping Ground road through there. So it's interesting though.
Speaker 1: If you get a chance and can get in there still,
Speaker 1: I'll go have a look at it. If you have
Speaker 1: around Silar City in that area and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of goodhead.
Speaker 2: There's supposed to be a somewhere in Pennsylvania which is
Speaker 2: just riding my neck of the woods. I need to
Speaker 2: do some reading about it. I've heard about some moved
Speaker 2: up here some sort of town or city that's completely
Speaker 2: a band you can't really get into anymore. I've heard
Speaker 2: stories about it, and I've not done the research.
Speaker 1: There's one like that in the Smokies too, an old
Speaker 1: abandoned town up there that when the park took over,
Speaker 1: those people moved out of there, and some of those
Speaker 1: buildings are still standing. But I think I know the
Speaker 1: one you're talking about. You ever listened to Strange Familiars
Speaker 1: with a Tim Renter and his wife Allison no podcasts,
Speaker 1: And they're somewhere in Pennsylvania, but a lot of their
Speaker 1: lore is Pennsylvania centric, so you might want to check
Speaker 1: that out there. They talk about some really good local
Speaker 1: legends and scary stuff up there. I'll send you a
Speaker 1: link to.
Speaker 2: It, because that would be a fun place to visit,
Speaker 2: if you could even get in there anymore. And I
Speaker 2: know there's a place in Ohio Helltown, Ohio, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's the official name, but it's where
Speaker 2: the coal mine is like still on fire underneath it
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard about box.
Speaker 2: Gas that's supposed to be a really creepy area and
Speaker 2: then moved out.
Speaker 1: There's a river there that got so polluted that the
Speaker 1: river caught fire and burned, And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of weird stuff like that. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: I think there's a place. It may be in Pennsylvania too,
Speaker 1: where there's a underground things a coal mine or something
Speaker 1: they caught on fire and it's still burning.
Speaker 2: Mhmm. Yeah, there's just so much stuff up here in
Speaker 2: the Northeast that I'm not super familiar with yet. That
Speaker 2: would probably be fun to go check out. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I moved up here, I became a dad almost immediately,
Speaker 2: and that takes up most of my time right now,
Speaker 2: you know, so I don't get a chance to go
Speaker 2: out and investigate it as I would like. But you know,
Speaker 2: he'll get to an age where he can go with
Speaker 2: me here before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll really be fun. But I just looked it
Speaker 1: up here a Centralia, Pennsylvania is where that is. It's
Speaker 1: a coal seam fire that's been burning in says, a
Speaker 1: labyrinth of abandoned coal mines. It's still burning. The town
Speaker 1: of Self been cut off in vehicle traffic and is
Speaker 1: more deserted than ever. Well, it's still burning, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure when it started burning, but it's it's been
Speaker 1: burning for a long time, sixty two since sixty two,
Speaker 1: been burning longer than I've been alive, and still burning.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 1: That is something fascinating stuff there.
Speaker 2: Well, Steve, I'm going to have to go, my friend,
Speaker 2: I hate to cut it short.
Speaker 1: No problem. I appreciate you coming on and talking stray
Speaker 1: stuff with me here on everything out there. I'll put
Speaker 1: a link to your YouTube channel in the show notes,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to have you on again sometime. I've
Speaker 1: told I would like that.
Speaker 2: I love I might do some reading and maybe have
Speaker 2: some I wasn't super prepared tonight. I apologize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just kind of sprug like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to come on tomorrow night showing up and you were
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Speaker 2: and and let me tell you this missing person stuff,
Speaker 2: but you start researching those that can really put you
Speaker 2: mentally down in a hole for a while. I mean
Speaker 2: you can just yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can't imagine having a child or a family member go
Speaker 1: missing like that and and not knowing you'll never have enclosure.
Speaker 1: That would just have to destroy you.
Speaker 2: And you read so much of that, and I do
Speaker 2: cold cases, and so a lot of the stuff isn't
Speaker 2: available online, so I'm having to find old newspaper articles
Speaker 2: and start to read to build my script. And yeah,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you have to read two dozen articles to
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's to research that stuff. It wears on. It's
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Speaker 1: Just to relax. That's why I like to go over
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Speaker 1: It gets under your skin. Of same with true crime.
Speaker 1: Back in the eighties, I was a stringer for local
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Speaker 1: and some of those time magazines. Those people get inside
Speaker 1: your head. I have to would have to pull back,
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Speaker 1: bad guys, serial killers and whatever. There's as Nietzche wrote,
Speaker 1: when you appear into the abyss, the abyss also peers
Speaker 1: into you. And that's that's true with especially with the
Speaker 1: true crime, but with the missing person cases, to the
Speaker 1: faces of some of those people, they still have my dream.
Speaker 1: So there's cases that I'll never forget that I've covered.
Speaker 1: So it it gets under your skin, and you're right,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the first Floradio live shows are great for that.
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Speaker 2: Not yet. I did hear him do a cover of
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I plan to be there tomorrow night, for you know.
Speaker 2: I plan to be there for the majority of it.
Speaker 2: At least you'll see me in chat I'll be hanging out.
Speaker 1: I'll see chat mate pop in on screen. I said
Speaker 1: I was sitting in with him three nights a week.
Speaker 1: But I just I've got so much going on now,
Speaker 1: I don't have as much free time as I did.
Speaker 1: And newly married. I just got married in July, July thirteenth,
Speaker 1: and uh oh. Nicole writes for the Channel, and just
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I'm the happiest I've ever been. And she's
Speaker 1: twenty two years younger than I am. So I've got
Speaker 1: a step and fetch sometimes to keep up with it.
Speaker 1: But she's a powerhouse, got a multiple master's degrees, the
Speaker 1: best writer that I've ever worked with. So, and we're
Speaker 1: working on some books together, and that was something I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you about. Have you ever thought about
Speaker 1: compiling a book out of some of these things that
Speaker 1: you do?
Speaker 2: You know, I went to school to be a writer.
Speaker 2: It's what I wanted to be coming out of high school.
Speaker 2: And I wrote one book and it was it was
Speaker 2: not very good. Back in those days, you couldn't self publish.
Speaker 2: Of course, you had to try and get a literary
Speaker 2: agent and they would send it to publishers. It was
Speaker 2: kind of catch twenty two. Yeah, it's kind of a
Speaker 2: catch twenty two. It's hard to get an agent unless
Speaker 2: you had something published. But it's hard to get something
Speaker 2: published unless you've got an agent, and I got so
Speaker 2: many rejection letters. I just kind of stepped away from writing,
Speaker 2: like but.
Speaker 1: Then I ended up when Amazon, you know, opened up
Speaker 1: their self publishing platform. I published Trained Swings in the
Speaker 1: Woods over there myself, and I'd sold something crazy like
Speaker 1: fifty thousand copies before I even went with the traditional publisher.
Speaker 1: But that makes it a lot easier. On my other books.
Speaker 1: They did the editing and the layout and cover design
Speaker 1: and stuff, and it's worth it. But it is fun
Speaker 1: to self publish too. But we'll talk offline sometime. Nicole
Speaker 1: and I are starting a publishing venture, and if you've
Speaker 1: got maybe a book idea rolled around in there somewhere,
Speaker 1: we'd like to publish you.
Speaker 2: I'd be interested. Like I said, I I've always I
Speaker 2: wanted to be a writer. I actually ended up teaching.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go into radio, and I'd made plans
Speaker 1: to go to the National Academy Broadcasting, which was there
Speaker 1: in Knoxville, Tennessee, and I'd wanted to do that since
Speaker 1: I was a kid. I mean, like in the single
Speaker 1: digits and the week the week that I graduated from
Speaker 1: high school, they closed their doors forever. So I went
Speaker 1: to University of Tennessee and I looked into getting a
Speaker 1: degree in communications. But there was a lot of math
Speaker 1: involved and I'm an aspy and numbers confused me. And
Speaker 1: you know, you have to know like radio stuff, wave
Speaker 1: propagation and antennas and stuff. And I and I told
Speaker 1: the ACCOUNTCIS, I said, I don't want to build a
Speaker 1: radio station. I want to sit and want to talk
Speaker 1: to So I ended up getting my degree in English.
Speaker 1: And for the type writing I do, that's extreme overkill.
Speaker 1: A freshman English class, a composition class, go to the source,
Speaker 1: and a dictionary. That's all I need. But here I am,
Speaker 1: and I've got published nineteen books and they've all been
Speaker 1: best sellers at one time or another. Some of them
Speaker 1: just keep on keeping on the National Park mysteries and disappearances,
Speaker 1: while I'm one in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.
Speaker 1: It's back at number one, and Haunted Travel, Haunted unexplained travel,
Speaker 1: I think, and number two and family travel so certain
Speaker 1: things in the woods. It's been number one probably a
Speaker 1: dozen times. It stays pretty much in the top ten.
Speaker 1: But it's a good thing to do. And like I said,
Speaker 1: once you write a book, it's out there. You don't
Speaker 1: have to write it once, and then you get to
Speaker 1: travel around and promote it. And if there's anything I
Speaker 1: enjoy more than writing, it's showing up somewhere to talk
Speaker 1: about my writing and you know, get that treatment. But well,
Speaker 1: i'll let you go here, but thanks again for joining us.
Speaker 1: Everything out there, and I said, I'll leave links to
Speaker 1: your show, and I've been listening to your videos over there.
Speaker 1: You got a good voice, and you cover a lot
Speaker 1: of good material. I'm anxious to see what you come
Speaker 1: up with next.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, it really is. The YouTube
Speaker 2: channel was something that I didn't expect to get into.
Speaker 2: I just ended up a time.
Speaker 1: I fell into it backward, so I wanted I was
Speaker 1: had an interest to the horror narration stuff, and I
Speaker 1: started a channel and I thought, well, now what I narrate?
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, dummy. At that time, I had
Speaker 1: three books, and I just I'll narrate stuff out of
Speaker 1: my books stories, and I got into it that way,
Speaker 1: and one thing led to another, and here I am.
Speaker 1: This is the second time I've passed one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: subs on my old channel. I had over a quarter
Speaker 1: of a million over there, but things didn't work out,
Speaker 1: so I struck out on my own and it took
Speaker 1: me eight months. But I've just passed one hundred thousand there,
Speaker 1: so must be doing something right.
Speaker 2: I think it's fantastic. I listened to just about everything
Speaker 2: you post. I try to and a lot of times
Speaker 2: I might not catch it right out. I'll catch it
Speaker 2: a couple of days later, and it just it puts
Speaker 2: me in that zone where I can work. You know.
Speaker 2: It's inspiring in a way, and it just gets me
Speaker 2: that in that right frame of mind, I can sit
Speaker 2: down and go through my scripts and stuff. And so
Speaker 2: it's always good to have Glad to help.
Speaker 1: Out my proxy. But thanks again for my guests, and
Speaker 1: we'll have you back again soon sometime, I hope.
Speaker 2: So Steve, thank you so much. You have a great night,
Speaker 2: brother you too.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, all right, goodbye, good night. All right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this show. Thanks again for
Speaker 1: joining me here on everything out there. I'll see you
Speaker 1: a little further on down the trail. Be good to
Speaker 1: yourselves and each other. I'm Steve Stockton, and please tell
Speaker 1: your animals I said hi. Good night. Everybody,