Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It is the evening of Tuesday, February eighteenth.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, mister cowboy? Got a haircut? Huge,
Speaker 1: check cut huge. It doesn't look that much different. There's
Speaker 1: not much that it just a little clean up, Okay,
Speaker 1: up the Cowboy locks. Big news dropped one day ago.
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty five World Series of Poker schedule has
Speaker 1: been released in full, one hundred live gold Bracelet events.
Speaker 1: Tim and I are going to hit on it a
Speaker 1: bit of a rapid reaction. I know it's more than
Speaker 1: twenty four hours later, so quotes around rapid. But we've
Speaker 1: been very, very busy here at the Poker Gro Cup,
Speaker 1: at the Poker gro Studio, so it still is a
Speaker 1: very rapid reaction for us. I'm gonna say that we
Speaker 1: should probably like we'll give our thoughts, okay, and then
Speaker 1: maybe like some things will marinate, we'll see more takes
Speaker 1: or whatever, and we'll have like more thoughts as we
Speaker 1: go towards the city, towards the summer. So don't take
Speaker 1: this with you know, an end all be all type
Speaker 1: of idea. So yeah, the wa space schedule got released.
Speaker 1: One hundred live gold Bracelet events. As I mentioned, May
Speaker 1: twenty seventh is when it all kicks off, and it'll
Speaker 1: end on July sixteenth. Of course, it will end with
Speaker 1: a new World Champion of Poker being crowned. The Main
Speaker 1: Event everyone's favorite tournament of the year. Whether you are
Speaker 1: a player, a fan, whatever you are in the game,
Speaker 1: the WSP Main Event is the biggest and the best.
Speaker 1: The Main Event runs July second through sixteenth. We are
Speaker 1: going to talk a lot about the Main Event because
Speaker 1: mister WSP himself, mister phil Helmuth, decided to drop a
Speaker 1: bombshell last night and ignite the poker world. There are
Speaker 1: thirty PGT qualifying events on this year's schedule, so thirty
Speaker 1: percent of the schedule qualifies for the PGT. I believe
Speaker 1: that's up from twenty eight last year. Basically, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna run through our biggest takes, the new additions that
Speaker 1: are on there, you know, maybe touch on some things
Speaker 1: that they have missed, but yeah, kind of more of
Speaker 1: an open form. Let me first say that they did
Speaker 1: add some new events. You know, something's got removed or replaced,
Speaker 1: one thing, I feel like people are calling it a
Speaker 1: new event the industry employees, it's really just the casino
Speaker 1: employees of the new name, my brand. But I also
Speaker 1: felt that they always allowed the industry, you know, but
Speaker 1: the official new events, if you want to call them that,
Speaker 1: they have a one thousand dollars buy in Battle of
Speaker 1: the Ages, no limit hold them. So this is going
Speaker 1: to be I believe it's two starting flights. One starting
Speaker 1: flight is for people who are fifty and over. The
Speaker 1: other starting flight is for people who are under fifty,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's fifteen under and then over. I forget exactly,
Speaker 1: but it's basically split down the middle, over fifty, under fifty,
Speaker 1: and then they'll combine. I think this is kind of
Speaker 1: an interesting concept. I don't hate it. Hate it? Oh
Speaker 1: you hate it? Why doesn't make any It's a normal tournament,
Speaker 1: just split up. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: They're trying to copy what Trent does with the VIPs
Speaker 2: in a way, but like, does it I really do.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're trying to do that. I think
Speaker 1: they're much I think they are. I think they are
Speaker 1: just trying to kind of lean into the fact that
Speaker 1: like seniors events are hot like in general, So how
Speaker 1: do you like kind of build out like you can't
Speaker 1: have it? I mean, I mean it's combined. Not Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not. Maybe this is where they're stealing from the
Speaker 1: trit and thing where you allow the seniors to play
Speaker 1: with fellow seniors on the day one, just like VIP's
Speaker 1: play with VIPs. So you know, you feel like you're
Speaker 1: you're getting into the water battling with the people that
Speaker 1: are of your ilk versus you get in there and
Speaker 1: you're like, eh, I gotta play with all these young kids,
Speaker 1: they're better than me whatever. At least you might feel
Speaker 1: like you have a better shot on day one against
Speaker 1: people like you in terms of skill level and all
Speaker 1: that sort of age, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Sure, I just think they might have. They should have
Speaker 2: made us a one more day of separate fields, because
Speaker 2: if you if you were talking try and trying is
Speaker 2: you know eighty player is doing the same thing, is
Speaker 2: going to be maybe eight thousand plays something crazy. Make
Speaker 2: it two day split up.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know logistically that's difficult, so that's probably why they
Speaker 2: didn't do it. But to me, it doesn't Outside of
Speaker 2: the Day one doesn't really change much for me.
Speaker 1: It doesn't really move the interest meter for me with
Speaker 1: this WS. I do think that I would almost reserve
Speaker 1: kind of one weird, wacky, gimmicky type of event. This
Speaker 1: one I would put into that bucket. It might not
Speaker 1: even be weird enough for like what I would be
Speaker 1: going for, but you know, I think it's important to
Speaker 1: have like kind of fun with one of them. They
Speaker 1: finally did it. They added one hundred thousand dollars buy
Speaker 1: in high roller yellow. Speaking of copying, stealing, they stole
Speaker 1: from from you, let them have it. Come on, they
Speaker 1: stole from me. Listen. Imitation the highest flattery. I was
Speaker 1: about to say it took them a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but it's here and listen. This is going to be huge. Yeah, massive,
Speaker 1: It's going to be that word I love so much,
Speaker 1: massive massive. They should have put massive roller. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a good name. I might, you know I might so, Yeah,
Speaker 1: one hundre k buy in pot limit Omaha high Roller.
Speaker 1: This is going to be absolutely freaking in. Before it
Speaker 1: was fifty it was crazy. Then Now you know this
Speaker 1: hunter k. It's it's about time. It's rightfully on the schedule,
Speaker 1: and like I said, it's going to be absolutely crazy
Speaker 1: in there they added a twenty five K high roller
Speaker 1: half and half half PLO half no limit hold them.
Speaker 1: I think this is also awesome. They've had this tournament
Speaker 1: before at much lower price points. I think the highest
Speaker 1: was five K. Yeah. I think they even have a
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred before, they've had a yeah, and then they
Speaker 1: had a five hundred. I think, yeah. I mean, but
Speaker 1: this is going to be awesome. I think this one's
Speaker 1: going to be really cool. Players have been asking for this,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they're listening to the players.
Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking of doing something like this after
Speaker 2: the World Series, so you know, that's why you'll be up.
Speaker 1: That's when we will be looking like some copycats. But
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: I think this event will be you know, I heard
Speaker 2: the guys talking about it here in the studio this week.
Speaker 2: It's hard for the PLO players to miss this. It's
Speaker 2: going to be hard for the no limbit guys to
Speaker 2: miss this too. They'll just play tighter and PLO. So
Speaker 2: if you are a multi game specialist like a Daniel
Speaker 2: mcgroaran or Jeremy Osmas, you're gonna be licking your lips
Speaker 2: when you go and play this in that.
Speaker 1: So last year they had a fifteen hundred dollars double
Speaker 1: Board Bomb Pot tournament that was half no limit, hold
Speaker 1: Them half PLO speaking up the half and half mix.
Speaker 1: This year, they took that tournament and they made it
Speaker 1: just PLO double Board Bomb Pot, So it fits in
Speaker 1: my opinion, it fits more with what double board Bomb
Speaker 1: Pot is used to and that's the PLO variant. So
Speaker 1: that's on the schedule. Fifte hundred dollars Buying. They have
Speaker 1: a five thousand dollars Super Turbo Bounty Nolanmit Hold Them
Speaker 1: event that I'm sure will be crazy. And then they
Speaker 1: took out the three K horse that was at the
Speaker 1: end of the schedule last year and they replaced it
Speaker 1: with a three thousand dollars Buying Tours TRS replacing Hold
Speaker 1: Them with Triple Draw. So those are the those are
Speaker 1: the new events on the schedule this year. Some other
Speaker 1: changes that popped out. Initially, Colossus Buying went up and
Speaker 1: went from four hundred dollars to five hundred dollars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of always liked the four and dollars one.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the big deal? Why you got to
Speaker 1: go up to five hundred, Yeah, exactly. They added some
Speaker 1: extra flights for some of the massive field Nolan that
Speaker 1: hold them tournaments. I'm gonna try and just work that
Speaker 1: word in as much as awesome now massive, So Mystery
Speaker 1: Millions I believe went up to four or sorry, went
Speaker 1: up to five flights from four, and that Mystery Millions
Speaker 1: the one K buy and that's that's right at the
Speaker 1: front of the schedule. Again, I think this is an
Speaker 1: incredible move when they did it, to put it at
Speaker 1: the front of the schedule like that kicks off the
Speaker 1: World Series. It's gonna be massive, you know, massive, first
Speaker 1: place prize, massive, big bounty, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive,
Speaker 1: massive Millions. Colossus I think added a starting flight as well.
Speaker 1: Monster Stack added a starting flight. I believe Mini Main
Speaker 1: Event added the starting flight. So just like one extra
Speaker 1: starting flight for a lot of these different tournaments, which
Speaker 1: is fine because as these fields continue to grow, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's only necessary that that's how you get
Speaker 1: more people in. I mean, we see it every single
Speaker 1: year with these events, the alternate lines, the Late REDGS lines,
Speaker 1: they're ridiculously long, you know, hundreds of people along stuff
Speaker 1: like that. So slamming another flo no big deal. I
Speaker 1: don't hate it. I also understand it from a business perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, drive up that revenue. It's good for the
Speaker 1: bottom line. Of course, fewer freeze outs on the schedule
Speaker 1: this year kind of a bummer. I like the freeze outs,
Speaker 1: but listen, I can say that here now if I
Speaker 1: was the one, you know, looking at the p and L,
Speaker 1: I get it, like, you know, so it's not like
Speaker 1: the end of the world. I guess. One kind of
Speaker 1: big notable change is the Flipping Go is gone, and
Speaker 1: that's mostly notable because now the Waspy is under ownership
Speaker 1: of GG Poker. That event was I think it was
Speaker 1: the flipp and Go buy GG Poker is what it
Speaker 1: was called. Like they put it in as like their
Speaker 1: sponsored event, their element, and it was like everyone kind
Speaker 1: of complained about the event, but then everyone also blasted
Speaker 1: in it like all the time, so it was weird.
Speaker 1: But that's out this year, so that won't be on
Speaker 1: the schedule. I also found it interesting that the if
Speaker 1: you exclude twenty five K and higher buying events. This
Speaker 1: is from a news Aurora on Twitter. He works for
Speaker 1: Pope Refuse does great work. A news twenty two to
Speaker 1: one to two on Twitter. He said, excluding the twenty
Speaker 1: five K and higher buying events, the average buy in
Speaker 1: has gone up. And I'll just run through what he
Speaker 1: put on Twitter, and it says twenty twenty one was
Speaker 1: thirty two hundred and thirty nine dollars, twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: thirty two hundred and ninety two dollars, twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: thirty two ninety six, twenty twenty four thirty three seventy three,
Speaker 1: and then twenty twenty five is now up to thirty
Speaker 1: four seventy seven. And I believe if you include the
Speaker 1: twenty five K and higher buying events, the average buying
Speaker 1: number also goes up. Of course, as we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: there's that there's one hundred K PLO high Roller on
Speaker 1: the schedule, there is the twenty five K high Roller
Speaker 1: half and half on the schedule, so all of that
Speaker 1: good stuff. So like what year kind of thoughts takeaways?
Speaker 1: You know, what do you got for me?
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the new events to start with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I actually do like the toss, you know, for the
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred buy in. I think it's good keeping hold
Speaker 2: of them in there. The three K where it is in
Speaker 2: the schedule, it is a little more I'd say pro heavy.
Speaker 2: That's probably not the right word. But I don't mind
Speaker 2: that that that little change, you know, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to change the numbers too much, but I
Speaker 2: think it would be slightly better. Event the double board
Speaker 2: bump put, I think they made a mistake last year
Speaker 2: in two ways, one adding no limit and then the
Speaker 2: other it was it was a bump put every orb.
Speaker 1: Now they're going to make every was it every orbit
Speaker 1: or was it every happen or whatever it was, it
Speaker 1: should be every hand. So I'm hoping they think we
Speaker 1: all when we first saw it, we were like every
Speaker 1: hand exactly to be the shit show. It's going to
Speaker 1: be great.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if they if they'll make that tweak.
Speaker 2: I think they should. I love the I love the
Speaker 2: five K super Turbo Bownie. That's great. Now that's for
Speaker 2: the new events. I'm kind of sad that the flipping
Speaker 2: goes out. I did like that, you know, especially with
Speaker 2: the GG sponsorship element. My question is, will we see
Speaker 2: another event of the schedule, maybe become GG branded, you know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the G The whole thing is GG. No
Speaker 1: I know, but like you know, owned by law. But
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they will have like you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's for example, there's the Poker News Deep Stack
Speaker 2: Championship six hundred dollars by do you think that they
Speaker 2: could easily be a GG Poker named event. Now, yes,
Speaker 2: I know what he's saying that I'll schedule is name,
Speaker 2: but I'm wondering if we'll see that added later. A
Speaker 2: big discussion. I don't know how much we want to
Speaker 2: get into it. The increase in rate. Personally, it's class
Speaker 2: of doing business. It's not going to change the numbers.
Speaker 2: It is what it is.
Speaker 1: It is, so I I don't think we should even
Speaker 1: neat a waste it's in any sort of poker, it's
Speaker 1: obviously a bummer when you see increase in RAKE. My
Speaker 1: only thing is is that the increase in RAKE always
Speaker 1: seems to effect the lower buy and stuff more than
Speaker 1: it affects the higher buying stuff. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: most apparent at the w soop when the lower buying stuff,
Speaker 1: like when you're playing the three and llars Gladiator's Poker
Speaker 1: Tournament and there are eighty five thousand people in that building,
Speaker 1: and like you're using every single dealer you have available,
Speaker 1: every single table you have available all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Like obviously, the more dealers you need, the quality of
Speaker 1: the dealers goes down a little bit. So and you
Speaker 1: like oftentimes in that tournament, I played that tournament many years,
Speaker 1: like you have to you're playing ten handed, yeah, for
Speaker 1: a long period of time. Like, so you're charging more
Speaker 1: RAKE for say, a lesser experience, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: that to me is like that doesn't equate in my head,
Speaker 1: Like you know, you should pay more RAKE for a
Speaker 1: better experience, or a more luxurious experience, or a more
Speaker 1: efficient experience, like all of that sort of stuff. Right,
Speaker 1: So like when you're playing the high buy and stuff,
Speaker 1: you're getting the best dealers of the dealers that they have,
Speaker 1: You're sitting in a special area with some better seats,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So there's all of that
Speaker 1: you know so greatly. But I also, I mean again
Speaker 1: going back to like if I'm on the other side,
Speaker 1: the business person in me would say, I get it,
Speaker 1: Like it's not you're probably gonna set record numbers in
Speaker 1: all you know, in the majority of not all of
Speaker 1: those fields. It doesn't really matter. So you know, I
Speaker 1: get it right, you know, And the price of everything
Speaker 1: has gone up, inflation and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I understand it. Do I wish it wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: of course, Like yeah, I don't want more Rake, who
Speaker 1: the heck does? But I don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: slow down the World Series at all. You know, I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be one of those talking points.
Speaker 1: You know, some complaining here and there, but you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately everyone's gonna sho up and everyone's going to play
Speaker 1: it because that's how it is. All right, continue what
Speaker 1: else you got?
Speaker 2: You know they removed or we talked about the GG
Speaker 2: event they removed, they removed that event. They brought in
Speaker 2: Lassy the champions, bringing in terrible event, get rid of
Speaker 2: that one that was that was silly V I do.
Speaker 1: Like, but that also falls under like just when I said,
Speaker 1: like the gimmick, you know, do something new every I
Speaker 1: think the one thing, you know, I haven't seen much
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: Last year there was a big I think there was
Speaker 2: more voices about it, but you know, the tournament champions.
Speaker 2: You know, last year, it didn't come with the schedule.
Speaker 2: Then it was announced. I think it was in like
Speaker 2: March or earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was part of the Commerce series yea,
Speaker 1: and everyone like freaked out that they're like, oh, they
Speaker 1: put it in Commerce. They didn't give us enough time
Speaker 1: to travel there. We didn't know about it.
Speaker 2: But what I mean is that when they announced or
Speaker 2: series last year, they announced it details coming soon but
Speaker 2: held in Las Vegas. Then in March it was announced
Speaker 2: that it'll be part of this Commerce schedule this year
Speaker 2: wasn't part of any announcement, so a lot of people,
Speaker 2: I guess are already expecting it to potentially go back to
Speaker 2: Commerce in you know, late May or something.
Speaker 1: I I think that it should be at the World
Speaker 1: Series of Poker. In the screen, you know, that is
Speaker 1: your your flagship series, your flagship event for the entire
Speaker 1: so tournament of champions to meet aligns with wanting to
Speaker 1: celebrate those champions at that series. You also get the
Speaker 1: added benefit of, like, you know, everyone's there playing they
Speaker 1: can then you know, take some shots and whatnot in
Speaker 1: the WSP and and you have those storylines and all
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, I think it should be at
Speaker 1: the World.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think it should either open the
Speaker 2: World Series or conclude the World Series. I think opening
Speaker 2: is probably better because it gets maybe people that were
Speaker 2: on the fence about coming out to come out, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I understand what they're doing. If they're trying to make
Speaker 2: the circuit a bigger deal with their partner at Commerce,
Speaker 2: then I get it. But it should maybe just be
Speaker 2: announced a lot earlier, like it could actually be announced
Speaker 2: at the start of.
Speaker 1: The circus season.
Speaker 2: But no, sure otherwise, you know what, it's nothing too
Speaker 2: crazy with this schedule.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people on that point. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people were anticipating a lot, yeah,
Speaker 1: because of the new GG Poker ownership, and everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go, like they're gonna they're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: bells and whistles, you know, jazz hands, like all this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But I mean, this to me, looks
Speaker 1: like that ownership thing is not changed. Like this is
Speaker 1: like just what I would expect from the w SP.
Speaker 1: You know, they they bumped it up to one hundred. Fine,
Speaker 1: some subtle changes, not anything too crazy, didn't really mess
Speaker 1: with it. All the dates are pretty similar, like you know,
Speaker 1: everything pretty much aligns right.
Speaker 2: Yea, So we may see that is maybe in the
Speaker 2: online schedule, maybe we see it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't know. I think I would expect more
Speaker 1: changes next year, kind of play, uh, see how it
Speaker 1: goes this year, you know, really get in there, get
Speaker 1: their hands on things, see how things operate, and then
Speaker 1: and then go for it next year. But also you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Maybe maybe it just kind of could just
Speaker 1: continues like this. Who really knows. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people made mention of the fact that the WSP
Speaker 1: plus that was used and a lot of players loved
Speaker 1: for wasby Paradise was not included in the press release.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's a thing that's to
Speaker 1: come or if that's a thing that's like held up
Speaker 1: by gaming because we are now in the States, we
Speaker 1: are in Nevada, et cetera. So maybe just TBD on that.
Speaker 1: But you know, I know a lot of people pointed
Speaker 1: that out, that that's not in the schedule. They also
Speaker 1: pointed out, as we mentioned, there's no TOC stuff in
Speaker 1: the schedule too, So overall, you know, I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: One idea that popped into my head when I was
Speaker 1: reading through the like the new events list, and and
Speaker 1: this came from actually came from you in a way,
Speaker 1: because the upcoming PGT Mix game series has an event
Speaker 1: called Mary's Mix the Player of the year should get
Speaker 1: to pick an event for the next year, So like
Speaker 1: Sean deeb, but Shan Deep wins Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: he can essentially like pick an event like and like
Speaker 1: he like designs it under like certain parameters working with
Speaker 1: their officials and like you know, you can call it
Speaker 1: the so and so by Sean Deep, you know, buy
Speaker 1: w S player there Sean Deep or like whatever, you
Speaker 1: know something like that, Like I think that would be
Speaker 1: fun and just like a way, and it's only a
Speaker 1: one year thing, like you get it unless you win
Speaker 1: it again, of course, but like you get you get
Speaker 1: like your stamp on the schedule for winning WSP Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. Like I think that would just be
Speaker 1: a fun little maybe we should sprinkle. I mean listen,
Speaker 1: like they have so many events, they have one hundred events,
Speaker 1: Like what's throwing away one event to like some kind
Speaker 1: of like thing, you know, like it'd be fun. That's
Speaker 1: not bad idea, Like instead of dealers choice, you call
Speaker 1: it Sean Deep's choice, like you know something like jerem
Speaker 1: about it. Obviously you can't be like you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna play blind man's bluff whatever, like like you know,
Speaker 1: they have to be like, okay, listen, like we can
Speaker 1: do this, this, this, this, this, you know, like these
Speaker 1: are the options. Build your own meal, you know, like
Speaker 1: that that sort of thing. And maybe it's just like
Speaker 1: a straight like Nolan and Holdham event, or like you know,
Speaker 1: it's something super boring, but it still has that person's
Speaker 1: name attached to it, you know, they kick it off
Speaker 1: on the microphone like all that. I like that. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna steal that idea for us. Well you already I
Speaker 1: told you. I stole it from you because you named
Speaker 1: an event Moury's Mix. By the way, speaking of this,
Speaker 1: Mory's Mix. Okay, so there's an event on the upcoming
Speaker 1: PGT Mixed Game schedule called Morey's Mix. I asked more
Speaker 1: the other day. I said, limit Omaha. Why is limit
Speaker 1: Omaha More He's like, I don't know, Tim put it
Speaker 1: in there. All the players are asking what the hell's
Speaker 1: limit Omaha is doing in there? I don't play limit Omaha. Well,
Speaker 1: just so everyone knows, he limit Omaha high, No high low,
Speaker 1: limit Omaha High.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna break it down for you right now. Ready,
Speaker 2: we wanted to add something new I wanted I'm mixed
Speaker 2: that was what the mix. I know why you did this,
Speaker 2: by the way, but continue, Okay, it's called it's it's
Speaker 2: called a blood mix because basically it's all one winning
Speaker 2: games and it's all limit So where did you get
Speaker 2: this from? This was my original idea for the super
Speaker 2: higher roll Evolve Max.
Speaker 1: You know who used to always run a limit Omaha
Speaker 1: high game, no Crown casino. Oh yeah, all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you may not have done it on purpose, but
Speaker 1: in the back of your brain subconsciously you designed it
Speaker 1: me because of your roots common all the millions these
Speaker 1: guys are playing this five to ten limit amet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was brutal, but here's no I have two flop
Speaker 1: games to stud to jaw.
Speaker 2: It's very well balanced. Now we want to talk about
Speaker 2: why is it called Morris. So originally it was called
Speaker 2: the Commissioners Mix after me, but I thought that's a
Speaker 2: little too you know, I currently more mixed. So I
Speaker 2: was like, let's just name it after more ass Mori's
Speaker 2: just okay, he goes, you can name it after me.
Speaker 1: If I was advising him, I would have said it
Speaker 1: has to royalties. But that's sure.
Speaker 2: He can have royalties of the series. He eyes but
Speaker 2: like that's the thing we we it's an easy one
Speaker 2: to omit. But then what do you add? Do you
Speaker 2: add a third draw game, a third start it. Look,
Speaker 2: with the mixed game series, we try a lot of
Speaker 2: different things. This is something new we're trying for this series. Look,
Speaker 2: if you gets twelve players, it's off the list and
Speaker 2: we'll find something new next year.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not going to get to well, no,
Speaker 1: I know, but it'll do all right.
Speaker 2: Look, the omahahi is very uncommon, but let's just see
Speaker 2: how it goes. It'll be fun to I think it
Speaker 2: should be a fun tournament.
Speaker 1: Anything you think they might have missed that they didn't
Speaker 1: put on there?
Speaker 2: To be honest, I would say maybe a high buy
Speaker 2: in bounty or mystery mystery bounty type of event.
Speaker 1: The ten K they have the ten they call it
Speaker 1: the Secret Boundy before sure, but.
Speaker 2: Like I'm wondering, you know what the appetite would be
Speaker 2: for say a twenty five K mystery Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the one K mystery millions is the massive bounty
Speaker 2: event of the series. But I think there is an
Speaker 2: appetite for a higher buy in. Some kind of bounty
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be missed, I would have gone.
Speaker 1: So you a PKO Progressive Boundy Progressive knockout would be
Speaker 1: great at the DOVISSIPI. Now, the problem is is that
Speaker 1: you can't probably do it at a lower buying because
Speaker 1: the scale would just be ridiculous, and I think you could.
Speaker 1: You just have to really wait for the progressives to
Speaker 1: kick in. Yeah, I don't know so, but you could
Speaker 1: easily run that at a higher buying for sure, where
Speaker 1: the field is much smaller, more manageable, all that sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. So like, you know, a twenty five k
Speaker 1: PKO I think be cool, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of that player pool would love that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: So that would be that would be fun and introduce
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 2: The one event events I'm gonna say plural, that I
Speaker 2: have been pushing for for many years, and if I'm
Speaker 2: ever in charge of the WSB, It'll be the first
Speaker 2: thing I implement. But I would implement a five like
Speaker 2: a five hundred dollars buy in, twenty five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: buy in and a ten K buying heads up championship
Speaker 2: online that plays down to say in the money plays
Speaker 2: down to maybe eight players, and all those are restarting
Speaker 2: prior to the twenty five k heads Up, so we
Speaker 2: have to say the five hundred buying starts on Monday,
Speaker 2: the conclusion of it live, you know, then you followed
Speaker 2: by the twenty five hundred, followed by the ten k
Speaker 2: that all wraps up the day before the twenty five
Speaker 2: k heads up starts. I think heads up poker is
Speaker 2: still a big thing, and you know, we couldn't really
Speaker 2: run a five hundred dollars buy in live. It takes
Speaker 2: up a lot of blood of room, but you could
Speaker 2: run it on.
Speaker 1: Tournaments are always kind of a mess because like people
Speaker 1: are waiting for the draw, yeah they haven't. So that's
Speaker 1: why I think you can do it online. Do it online,
Speaker 1: lay down to eight bring them in.
Speaker 2: So you'd have to obviously do the online early in
Speaker 2: the series and do the actual Heads Up Championship, say
Speaker 2: late journey. Obviously it's one of the first few events
Speaker 2: that has been for the last few years, so that
Speaker 2: would take one wrinkle. But I think those you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you just trial it with say a one K
Speaker 2: to start with online.
Speaker 1: I think it would be very popular. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 1: think doing the heads up stuff online would be cool.
Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of bringing back the FORMAX tournament.
Speaker 1: I would also do that online to start, because just
Speaker 1: four handed tables is just takes up a lot of
Speaker 1: real estate, right, and I don't know if you could
Speaker 1: necessarily dedicate the real estate to do that. So what
Speaker 1: if you just did day one of the formats online,
Speaker 1: then you had like a couple hundred people coming back
Speaker 1: for day two live, much more manageable, you know that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I also back in they remember the
Speaker 1: Mixed Max Yeah, that was sweet. I love that one too, like,
Speaker 1: you know, so I would I would bring you know,
Speaker 1: some of those back. A part of me, I listen,
Speaker 1: I know they've never had a PLO tournament above fifty K,
Speaker 1: and they are going to one hundred k. I think
Speaker 1: they could have gone higher too, Like, I just think
Speaker 1: they could have just, you know, absolutely slammed it. But
Speaker 1: other than that, you know, I I got nothing with
Speaker 1: the one tournament that always kind of like felt I
Speaker 1: guess a little bit weird to me was the twenty
Speaker 1: five K horse I just because I think it should
Speaker 1: be a lot earlier. Well, because you have the you
Speaker 1: have the fifty k PPC, and I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like they're too close. It's like just
Speaker 1: it's a weird thing overall. You know, I think the
Speaker 1: schedules it's good, you know, it's it's what you can
Speaker 1: be expected. It's not like anything you can really complain
Speaker 1: about unless your name is pel Helmi. Then we're going
Speaker 1: to get to that in a second. But uh, other
Speaker 1: than that, you know, good, fine, And yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 1: for another summer.
Speaker 2: I guess you know, it's very early and looking at
Speaker 2: this schedule and we haven't doubt either of us have
Speaker 2: dived too deep in the structures. But and the thing
Speaker 2: stands out to you that you want to play outside
Speaker 2: the WSP main event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: play the Monster Stack. Yeah, I just so, I know
Speaker 1: it's long and it's listen, it's not long in the
Speaker 1: sense that I can't handle the endurance aspect of it
Speaker 1: feel hummy, But I mean, okay, we're going to get
Speaker 1: into this guy. It's just long that you can't like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be off of work for that long.
Speaker 1: And if I am like off of work or away
Speaker 1: for or whatever playing a tournament, I wanted to be
Speaker 1: the main right, like that's what I wanted to be.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think maybe, you know, there's part
Speaker 1: of me says that there's an appetite to make like
Speaker 1: some of these high roller stuff just two day tournaments
Speaker 1: just because like the office away. Now. Well yeah, but
Speaker 1: I think I know, but I feel like that crowd
Speaker 1: just they play all of our stuff, they put all
Speaker 1: the trait and stuff like they don't care like that.
Speaker 1: You know, they want in and out let's go. You know,
Speaker 1: they're in there out like it doesn't really matter to them.
Speaker 1: I think the numbers would be fine there. But also
Speaker 1: you know, I don't mind the way that it is.
Speaker 1: It's not that big of a deal. I was. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that I was thought we had the
Speaker 1: best chance of seeing in terms of a GG poker
Speaker 1: effect was a smaller buying bracelet event than three hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: I thought that that had the best chance to be
Speaker 1: like the big change. Now. I didn't think anything would
Speaker 1: really be that big of a change for this year,
Speaker 1: but I thought, if you if we see anything, they
Speaker 1: might do like hundred dollars like something like nuts right,
Speaker 1: like something like that. But you know, a very very
Speaker 1: similar schedule to recent years they're up to one hundred
Speaker 1: uh bracelets now live and then and then we'll have
Speaker 1: such a They're always going to ask there's a demand,
Speaker 1: is there? They're going to just continue to ask demand.
Speaker 1: But that's just how it is. Let's protect this brand.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. All right, Let's get to
Speaker 1: uh mister, what is it? Seventeen old races now eighteen
Speaker 1: gobers and that's probably where they am. How many? How
Speaker 1: many is seventeen? Yeah, I mean, it's just this guy.
Speaker 1: So last night, Monday night, right around eleven pm Vegas time,
Speaker 1: a story drops from poker dot org. I believe they
Speaker 1: were the first ones, right, And it's from Phil Hellmuth
Speaker 1: saying that he's not playing the WSP main event this
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five. And then a tweet comes out
Speaker 1: with a video from Phil Hellmuth where he is talking
Speaker 1: about it. I'll read what he put in the tweet,
Speaker 1: and then we'll have our our TRUSTe producer Rich Ryan
Speaker 1: put in the audio from what Phil Helmy said. Phil
Speaker 1: Helmy tweeted, I am not playing the WSP main event.
Speaker 1: It has become an quote endurance contest. I truly believe
Speaker 1: that eighty percent of the players want changes made to
Speaker 1: the WSP main event. Twelve hour days or longer for
Speaker 1: six to seven days in a row is brutal and
Speaker 1: disproportionately affects older players. Let's hear what all Youth had
Speaker 1: to say in his video.
Speaker 3: Folks, here's a video I never wanted to make. So
Speaker 3: the World Series Booker Main Event. I played it every
Speaker 3: year since nineteen eight. I will not be playing it
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 4: It's just too tough. It's just too tough.
Speaker 3: You know, people at home are like, oh, Phil, you
Speaker 3: could play seven days in a row.
Speaker 4: Yeah, try it.
Speaker 3: Try try getting up and playing at noon until midnight
Speaker 3: seven days in a row.
Speaker 4: And then they're, oh, well.
Speaker 3: Today we have to play till two or three in
Speaker 3: the morning, which also happens at the WSOP main Event.
Speaker 3: It's just exhausting and I can't win. And I think
Speaker 3: that it really hurts the older players in a much
Speaker 3: bigger proportion than the younger players. And I'll say this,
Speaker 3: I had four great players come and tell me that
Speaker 3: they blewe the main event because they got too tired.
Speaker 3: With fifty left, with thirty left, with one hundred left.
Speaker 3: It's turned into an endurance test. I don't think that
Speaker 3: the World Series of Booker main event is measuring skill.
Speaker 3: It's still my favorite event in the world. Don't misunderstand me.
Speaker 3: I don't want to miss it, but I know that
Speaker 3: I can't do that. You know, I'm sixty years old.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I don't think I could have done at age fifty.
Speaker 3: So I think the World Series of Poker is set
Speaker 3: up as an endurance test, and we're losing a lot.
Speaker 3: And if you go out there and you pull the
Speaker 3: players on whether or not they should have days off
Speaker 3: in the main event, eighty percent are going to say yes.
Speaker 3: In the twenty percent because I did a little polling myself,
Speaker 3: the twenty percent that don't, they're the guys who are
Speaker 3: twenty years old, and I mean twenty five, twenty six,
Speaker 3: twenty seven.
Speaker 4: They're yeah, yeah, people get tired, they blow all their chips.
Speaker 3: Of course, wanted to be ten days straight, but I
Speaker 3: don't think that's what the World Poker World Series of
Speaker 3: Poker should be about.
Speaker 4: People getting tired and blowing their chips.
Speaker 3: So it's going to really hurt me to not play
Speaker 3: in the world's best poker tournament, the World Series of
Speaker 3: Poker Main Event.
Speaker 4: But in twenty twenty five, I'm out.
Speaker 3: I hope that in twenty twenty six there's some changes
Speaker 3: made so that, you know, so that we can restore
Speaker 3: more skill and less endurance. I really hope they make
Speaker 3: those changes because I don't know if I can do
Speaker 3: an entrance this year either, So I guess I'm just out, Folks.
Speaker 4: I love the.
Speaker 3: World Series of Poker, very important to me, but just
Speaker 3: can't play the main event anymore.
Speaker 1: All right, So that was your boy, Philip Hellmuth, mister
Speaker 1: WSP himself. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty confident to crown him.
Speaker 1: That he does have the most bracelets. You know, he
Speaker 1: is pretty synonymous with THESP brand. I can only imagine
Speaker 1: you're the dowsity brass and this guy drops this video
Speaker 1: and this announcement, I'd be like, what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing? What is happening? I mean, seriously.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm not really I don't think they have
Speaker 2: any sponsorship liaisons or anything with Phil.
Speaker 1: Right, see, he's not on the shape know what? This
Speaker 1: video feels like? This video feels like I just remember
Speaker 1: watching I think it was like the preview of the
Speaker 1: trailer for the Mike Madis at Don And I want
Speaker 1: to say he said something in there along the lines
Speaker 1: of like him Daniel Phil et cetera, like basically helped
Speaker 1: build the city, Like then that's how he wanted to
Speaker 1: be remembered. This to me feels like Phil thinks he
Speaker 1: has more to do with the WSP than THEWSP has
Speaker 1: to do with the hunk, when if there's novasp, there's
Speaker 1: no hunk. I mean, bottom line, that is true. So like,
Speaker 1: why does this need to be blasted out on the internet.
Speaker 1: Why can't you just go to your people, because like
Speaker 1: who you obviously have a good relationship with and and
Speaker 1: actually have a conversation and talk to him about this.
Speaker 1: This seems silly he just thought of this and just
Speaker 1: shot it out there. It seems extremely weird to just
Speaker 1: go about it like this, announcing this now, you know,
Speaker 1: hours after they dropped the dovasby main event schedule. Is
Speaker 1: an attack on the was a B. That's what this is. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm attacking them and I'm gonna make the biggest noise
Speaker 1: possible because i want to get my way, which seems
Speaker 1: not the right way to go about this. It's definitely
Speaker 1: like why would she just why wouldn't you just advocate
Speaker 1: for it? Maybe you do some sort of silent petitioning
Speaker 1: talking to all the different players being like hey, and
Speaker 1: why don't you also like come with you know, some solutions,
Speaker 1: being like, hey, this is what I think. Maybe we
Speaker 1: cut the levels down from two hours to ninety minutes,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we cut them down to one hundred minutes.
Speaker 1: Maybe we put a day off in the middle here,
Speaker 1: like maybe we do this, this and this, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, get some people on your side, right. I
Speaker 1: remember years ago down at PCA. I think it was
Speaker 1: Scott Clements. This is when I forget which tournament I
Speaker 1: want to say. It might have been the WPT five Diamond,
Speaker 1: but it was one of the tournaments Appolage you had
Speaker 1: like changed their whole schedule to be like all no
Speaker 1: limit tournaments like one k nolmit Urm the main and
Speaker 1: Scott like made this petition and had like all these
Speaker 1: people at PCA signing. He was going around having all
Speaker 1: these people sign this thing, because then he was gonna
Speaker 1: go to them and say, look, this is what the
Speaker 1: players want. They don't want this, they want this over
Speaker 1: here like do something like that. You know, this seems
Speaker 1: like this seems like hey, look at me, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a fit about this. And yeah, I mean, first
Speaker 1: of all, if you stack it correctly, there are plenty
Speaker 1: of days off in the Maine, okay, plenty is like,
Speaker 1: if you play one A, you have what three days off,
Speaker 1: four days off, three days off? Yeah, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: you play ABC and then you have a day off
Speaker 1: and then you start going and then there's a day
Speaker 1: off after you make the final table if you get
Speaker 1: that far, Like, I like what, I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you can't stack it like that. It's very easy, simple.
Speaker 1: This may not surprise you, but I do side with
Speaker 1: Phil Homes. I'm so shocked. I think he could tweak this.
Speaker 1: And listen, let me also say this. Let me also
Speaker 1: say this. I'm not necessarily saying that Phil's entire message
Speaker 1: is wrong because I have said it. I think I've
Speaker 1: said it on this podcast before. Like the times that
Speaker 1: I've played the main event, I've like caught myself being like,
Speaker 1: we're still on this level type of thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't but like his thing was about the whole endurance,
Speaker 1: like big picture, right, like we'd put days off and
Speaker 1: this and that and whatever I would before trimming down
Speaker 1: the levels a little bit. Yeah, one hundred minute levels
Speaker 1: whatever that is, right, And you know, I'm team no
Speaker 1: dinner break. I don't care, Like I just think dinner
Speaker 1: breaks are ridiculous, but that's me. I also don't think that,
Speaker 1: you know, when he's claiming that, like sometimes you play
Speaker 1: the three am Like, I don't think that that. I
Speaker 1: think that's more rare than it is. It is common,
Speaker 1: you know, it's oftentimes it just has to do with
Speaker 1: like how the field is playing and how things are
Speaker 1: breaking and what's happening, you know, versus like that's the
Speaker 1: plan from the start, Like that's not the plan from
Speaker 1: the start. You usually end right around midnight, you know,
Speaker 1: give or take of course, Like it's it's not crazy,
Speaker 1: and you have you have a break every two hours.
Speaker 1: You have the long dinner break, so it's not the
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world, you know, to grind it.
Speaker 1: And I personally do feel like, and I've said this before,
Speaker 1: I've always thought this going back to when Sebastian Ruthenberg
Speaker 1: was heads up with Chris Ferguson and I believe it
Speaker 1: was the five K stud High Low event they were
Speaker 1: playing Forever in the Amazon Earth, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, part of it is endurance. Like part that
Speaker 1: that's part of poker in certain situations. Now, should it
Speaker 1: always be an endurance match, No, but like part of
Speaker 1: it is. Part of the skill of this thing is
Speaker 1: who can play the best poker over the long haul?
Speaker 1: And this thing is the long haul. I'm but I
Speaker 1: also will say that I, you know, probably one hundred
Speaker 1: minutes or whatever. But now if I'm WSOP, I would
Speaker 1: say that I want this event to be the biggest
Speaker 1: and the best in the world, which it is, but
Speaker 1: I also wanted to have the best structure give the
Speaker 1: most play to the players. So when there's other tournaments
Speaker 1: out there in the world that might have ninety minute
Speaker 1: levels on certain days, well we have to be better
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah. So that like that's where I would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can't go lower than one hundred minutes, right, you know,
Speaker 1: but let's just blow everyone out of the water, and
Speaker 1: we're two hour levels.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're ever going to go back to
Speaker 2: our levels ninety minute levels on hundred minute levels. Is
Speaker 2: that the best way they should do it? Yeah, But
Speaker 2: like you said, I don't think they're gonna They're never
Speaker 2: gonna wind it back. So they do you want to
Speaker 2: be the biggest and best tournament in the world. I
Speaker 2: think it is the biggest and best main event in
Speaker 2: all the world. But you know, but like I said,
Speaker 2: if I was in chidship with probably ninety minute levels
Speaker 2: until you're in the money and we'll go from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind doing something like that where you
Speaker 1: stagger it. I always do think it's funny that the
Speaker 1: the everyman, you know, they are drawn to this bucket
Speaker 1: list item event when the structure is so against them
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And producer Rich Ryan has
Speaker 1: had this take forever that the structure is too good
Speaker 1: in the was main event and like you get down
Speaker 1: to you know, day six, day seven, and everyone is
Speaker 1: an absolute crusher. Other than maybe like a couple people,
Speaker 1: everyone is pretty pretty good. The structure is very good,
Speaker 1: and if you're not a decent player, you're just gonna
Speaker 1: get eaten a lot. So now that said, while I
Speaker 1: said that, like, if I'm doabsity, I want like the
Speaker 1: biggest and the best, and I want the best structure
Speaker 1: in all of that, I would also be like, well,
Speaker 1: how do we make the final tables where? Because this
Speaker 1: is obviously the biggest finel table in poker, the bigest
Speaker 1: spectacle in poker, right, how do we make it where
Speaker 1: it's not nine robots for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: at the final table. Well, if you make the event
Speaker 1: itself more of a crapshoot in a way. You know. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying crazy turbo like we're doing here in
Speaker 1: the studio, you know, like I'm not saying a two
Speaker 1: day event or anything like that. But if you do
Speaker 1: make the structure a little bit faster, allow for a
Speaker 1: little bit more gamble, you know, push people a little
Speaker 1: bit more, then maybe you get a more colorful final table,
Speaker 1: you know, with some kind of wacky personality, some people
Speaker 1: that aren't just like the best of the best and
Speaker 1: they've studied so much and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I can see the argument for both sides there.
Speaker 1: I just think that the way Phil went out there
Speaker 1: and like delivered this message and essentially was like attacking
Speaker 1: them in a way that made it seem like he
Speaker 1: was making them force their hand, Like I'm Phil, I'm
Speaker 1: mister w Sop. I'm sitting out at the main event,
Speaker 1: you know. But if you change it, I'll come. Now.
Speaker 1: The second part of this is that do you really
Speaker 1: believe he's gonna not play. He's one hundred percent playing
Speaker 1: in event. I mean, right, let's be serious, right, I
Speaker 1: mean he has to play, right, Yes, like I it
Speaker 1: just I mean I don't see any ways, someone as
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw his agent, Brian Balls, but said
Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent. Seriously, he's not sitting out. And
Speaker 1: then I saw Sean Deep say, Phil's actually really sharp
Speaker 1: because he realizes that bracelets are the best thing for
Speaker 1: Phil helm youth. That is, why would you get locked
Speaker 1: up in the tournament for ten days, but instead you
Speaker 1: can just play like fifteen different events, you know, all
Speaker 1: these like two and three day tournaments that they have
Speaker 1: at the WSB. That's where Phil can go play and
Speaker 1: hopefully win, you know, another bracelet, another bracelet, another bracelet.
Speaker 1: You know. So if someone brought up, you know, like
Speaker 1: is he really going to play not play? And I
Speaker 1: was like, he's playing.
Speaker 2: And then the guy was someone who said he must
Speaker 2: have like the longest streak of WSP main events.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. I believe that belongs to Juwey Tumpko. But
Speaker 1: Phil said he's been playing since eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably have to bet so the year
Speaker 2: the year he won it, Phil is probably still top
Speaker 2: five and main events play it for sure, I mean
Speaker 2: for sure, Yeah, so does he really I mean in succession.
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if he really wants to risk that
Speaker 2: kind of you know, we know feel like records. You know,
Speaker 2: he likes to have, he likes to be number one
Speaker 2: in something. Is going to be a point where he's
Speaker 2: close to passing Dewey Tompco because I don't know who
Speaker 2: knows the Dewey plays this year. I don't think Phil
Speaker 2: wants to give up that. So I think we'll see
Speaker 2: him play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't think you won't
Speaker 1: see him play. But you know, it is what it
Speaker 1: is another way that you could you know, if you
Speaker 1: are w s ap and I guess you're entertaining because
Speaker 1: I saw, you know, his thing is like we need
Speaker 1: a day off, and I think he also put out
Speaker 1: like a solution, like my solution would be like like
Speaker 1: three days day off, three days day off or something
Speaker 1: like that, is maybe you do a split day three,
Speaker 1: you know, so then you can still have the option
Speaker 1: of like essentially one A to a three A and
Speaker 1: you you know, every other day is a day off
Speaker 1: in kind of that scenario. You know. Of course, what
Speaker 1: I just said is not totally perfect because there's four
Speaker 1: day ones, but you guys get the points. You know,
Speaker 1: something something like that I think would be better than
Speaker 1: just like slamming a day off in there. I al
Speaker 1: because because and the reason why I say that is
Speaker 1: I like that once the main event starts, like having
Speaker 1: it out there and happening every single day other than
Speaker 1: the day off right before the main event, I think
Speaker 1: that that's good natural promotion for the event itself. You know,
Speaker 1: don't give people any sort of out to look away,
Speaker 1: to not tune in to watch it, to not think
Speaker 1: about it, like you know, have media outlets and whatever,
Speaker 1: not talk about it, like you want everyone talking about
Speaker 1: that every single day, right, So if you just slam
Speaker 1: this day off in there, it's like, okay, well no
Speaker 1: one's talking about it for that day, you know, they're
Speaker 1: talking about something else, especially the World Series, when there
Speaker 1: would be other stuff going on of course, you know.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, that's what I think, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of breaks that. But yeah, it's funny that, you know,
Speaker 1: if if you're doubs appear, if i'mbasp, this is the
Speaker 1: the most frustrating. Part of this is that we just
Speaker 1: dropped our schedule. It's a day that everyone looks forward
Speaker 1: to every single year. Like they started publicizing it, you know,
Speaker 1: last week. They were like it's coming on Monday, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And then Phil goes and does this and
Speaker 1: like essentially steals all your thunder takes all the headlines
Speaker 1: and whatever, and like listen, yes, in a way, all
Speaker 1: publicity is good publicity, you know, no matter what. But
Speaker 1: he's also like stealing it away from you and trying
Speaker 1: to make it seem like this event is not the
Speaker 1: great thing that it is because it is a great event,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I think that that would be
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're in those offices, that
Speaker 1: would be like what you see this thing like come
Speaker 1: across your feet. You're like, he did what? Now he
Speaker 1: said what? Like, huh what? Let's say he doesn't play,
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think he puts Yeah, if he
Speaker 1: doesn't play, is the doubest manament softer you're mister helmet
Speaker 1: over there, dude, Okay, A serious question though. Do you
Speaker 1: think him putting this message out there actually deters anyone
Speaker 1: from not playing? Now I'm not saying it affects the
Speaker 1: number at the end of the day, But like, are
Speaker 1: there ten people out there in the world that say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Phil's right, I'm not playing. I mean, probably yes, but like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. I'm sure there's.
Speaker 2: People that were already thinking that way anyway. So you know,
Speaker 2: we've heard people complain about stuff of the WSP and
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, well then don't come play, but they
Speaker 2: always come back. So yeah, sure, maybe he's influenced ten
Speaker 2: people out there, but there's probably another twenty five people
Speaker 2: that are like, screw you, Phil, I'm gonna go I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go play even though it wasn't planning on something,
Speaker 2: you know, And there's look, I think you kind of
Speaker 2: voice your opinion on the length to play, but you'll
Speaker 2: pub still going to play.
Speaker 1: I've voiced my opinion. I would like to try and
Speaker 1: play it this year. When I say, like, I think
Speaker 1: the levels are long, it's it's not that they're The
Speaker 1: urgency isn't there as much as I think it should be.
Speaker 1: Meaning like you you like because the levels are so long,
Speaker 1: people play hands and every hand lasts seven minutes because
Speaker 1: everyone knows that, like you don't need you can take
Speaker 1: super long because it's it's a lot right now. Like
Speaker 1: I feel like if if you still had two hour levels,
Speaker 1: but maybe you have clocks in play at an earlier juncture,
Speaker 1: it just speeds everything up, you know, because like people
Speaker 1: just like there's just so much tanking and tanking and
Speaker 1: tanking and thinking like all this sort of stuff because
Speaker 1: people can be so deliberate because there isn't that urgency.
Speaker 1: You're not like, oh, the blinds are gonna go up
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, No, the bindes are going to go
Speaker 1: up in seventy minutes. Like it's you know, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: So you can be like, you know what, I can
Speaker 1: kind of just chill and whatever. And I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not a professional poker player. I'm a recreational poker player.
Speaker 1: Do I take it seriously? Yes, very But I'm not
Speaker 1: a professional voka player. I don't go to play a
Speaker 1: poker tournament to just sit there and fold. So I
Speaker 1: just have a hard time relating to the people who
Speaker 1: bucket list item or not, Like they show up and
Speaker 1: they literally just full and like they like the fact
Speaker 1: that they can fold for longer because the levels are
Speaker 1: someone like aren't you there to for a competition to
Speaker 1: try and win, Like, well, I don't understand why you
Speaker 1: would just show up and just be like just fold
Speaker 1: to get aces and eventually like go all in, Like
Speaker 1: that's the best. That's how I play. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking to somebody. So it's been It's been a
Speaker 1: fun twenty four hours, uh for the World Series of
Speaker 1: Poker overall. You know, I think that the thebasity schedule
Speaker 1: is good. You know, I would give it an as
Speaker 1: you know, it didn't blow my doors off, yes, but
Speaker 1: it certainly didn't go down from wherever it was before,
Speaker 1: unless unless I'm missing something that I don't see. But
Speaker 1: you know, I feel that it's it's another good schedule
Speaker 1: and I think people are happy, you know, and I
Speaker 1: I know this year obviously people were like okay, gig poker,
Speaker 1: let's see what they do type of thing. But also
Speaker 1: just having the schedule out there allows people to start planning,
Speaker 1: start pooking trips, start being like, oh, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go home like some nights this week
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be like okay, like I would want
Speaker 1: to play this event here, in this event here and
Speaker 1: this event over here, you know, like and try and
Speaker 1: kind of map it out in my head because that's
Speaker 1: what you want to do. And then you know, for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, myself included, that leads to you know, okay,
Speaker 1: like I need to raise this much money here, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna sell this much action, so like, you know, you
Speaker 1: just have it now. You know it's not you're not
Speaker 1: just waiting on this this unknown thing that you know
Speaker 1: is coming and is likely going to be similar to
Speaker 1: what it has last year, but you're still waiting on
Speaker 1: for the official thing to draw. So I don't need
Speaker 1: a look at any events because I play one. Yeah
Speaker 1: you yeah, what's up with this? I just keep every year,
Speaker 1: I keep saying going to play the main event, and
Speaker 1: I finally, well, let me tell you how you need
Speaker 1: to play one event before I end a warm up? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't need it. I'm saving all my money. I'm
Speaker 1: going in cold even I'm saving every dollar to my
Speaker 1: name to play the WSP Man.
Speaker 2: Ever, so when I went on June seventh, when I'm
Speaker 2: like thinking about playing the Glad eight is a poker
Speaker 2: flight one d I need you to be like, no.
Speaker 1: You say that you think you're going to play the
Speaker 1: in of it.
Speaker 2: I'll play it day two D max late register with
Speaker 2: whatever blinds I get, because like sixty, that's fine, it's
Speaker 2: a time thing. I don't really want to waste a
Speaker 2: day and a half because of our work situation and
Speaker 2: because you know, I'm like, I'm probably going dead in
Speaker 2: early levels against superpros.
Speaker 1: So I mean yeah, but a lot of the super
Speaker 1: pros don't. Yeah, I mean yeah, they show up.
Speaker 2: That's my plan is, you know, just to play one
Speaker 2: event and it's the main event. We'll see how the
Speaker 2: funds go. Put my MSPT cash to the side. There
Speaker 2: you go my WPT three roll cash at the time.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's still there in July ninth.
Speaker 1: I think this year, I'm going for one A. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going for max breaks. That's you're doing the film
Speaker 1: like I'm doing what film should correct. If he's complaining
Speaker 1: about like you know, I'm gonna pound a brain fuel,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play one A. I'm gonna take my three
Speaker 1: days off. I'm gonna play two A best whatever. You know.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that that I yeah, and then you get another
Speaker 1: day off and then it gets serious, right and then
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, it like let's go, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it's a then it's a big tournament. But I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a good summer. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: and I will talk about it plenty. Have you Have
Speaker 1: you heard anything from the field like players today, Like
Speaker 1: have they had any comments on it? Has it been
Speaker 1: any sort of talking point here at the Poke Grove Cup,
Speaker 1: Like has anyone said anything? Is anyone commenting on Phil?
Speaker 1: Like you know what? You should almost run a bedding
Speaker 1: pool on Phil, like show into the room and just
Speaker 1: be like.
Speaker 2: Shot some big you know what. Last year we heard
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. This year, I haven't heard much
Speaker 2: at all. A little bit of discussion about the one
Speaker 2: hundred k and you know, the twenty five k half
Speaker 2: and half, and that's what led to a little conversation
Speaker 2: about some of the events we're going to do. But no,
Speaker 2: it's actually surprisingly not a lot of chatter, and maybe
Speaker 2: that kind of reinforces the point, you know, we've touched
Speaker 2: on where it is nothing's crazy. There's nothing like super
Speaker 2: out of line, both negative or positive. So I think
Speaker 2: the players is like, oh it's out now I can
Speaker 2: start planning my stuff. I was standing behind an unknown
Speaker 2: pocal player and he was writing notes about you know,
Speaker 2: dates and events, so it looks like he was kind
Speaker 2: of you know, planning his schedule and it was some
Speaker 2: bigger buying stuff. So maybe he's trying to put his
Speaker 2: own like you know, package together that he can sell.
Speaker 2: So I guess that's probably just at the forefront of
Speaker 2: everyone's mind right now, is just creating their own schedule
Speaker 2: and focusing on that.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, as it relates to the dovs AP,
Speaker 1: now that the doc schedule is out for the year,
Speaker 1: all the dates are locked in, the events are locked in.
Speaker 1: Now is when you start to get the other venues
Speaker 1: around town will start dropping their schedules, you know, or
Speaker 1: or at least they can now fully flesh out their
Speaker 1: schedules and line everything up, because you know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to like have a big event competing with certain
Speaker 1: events that of pee, you kind of want to dance
Speaker 1: around each other all that sort of stuff. So you know,
Speaker 1: the wind Poker Aria like et cetera. MGM usually has
Speaker 1: stuff in the summer, Gold Nugget has stuff like all
Speaker 1: these places have. Venetian of course has massive STUFFGTGT yes
Speaker 1: as well, you know, but everyone's able to kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is out, you know, we can do our thing now.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the other thing I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: is super super early take ten and twelve entries? Is
Speaker 1: the record? Really they're going over, just going over. I've
Speaker 1: always been no, I don't know what you were. Actually
Speaker 1: ten thousand, So two years ago, ten thousand and forty
Speaker 1: three entries, first time ever, A ten thousand beat the
Speaker 1: previous record of eight thousand, seven hundred and seventy six.
Speaker 1: I believe it was so smashed it massive increase, massive increase, massive,
Speaker 1: and then last year ten and twelve, So are they
Speaker 1: going to do it again? They're going to crush it.
Speaker 1: And here's why it's very soon. As crush it means
Speaker 1: like you crush it means eleven thousand, or like ten thousand,
Speaker 1: three hundred, Yeah, more like ten thousands.
Speaker 2: Right, first year that it is owned by Gigi Poker,
Speaker 2: they're going to do something absode online with something like
Speaker 2: three thousand seats and packages all kinds of that.
Speaker 1: Same with Club GG. I think more. I think more
Speaker 1: of that stuff comes next year, but I still think
Speaker 1: they're going to obviously have all I think they're going
Speaker 1: to start.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to just try and blow it
Speaker 2: out every year, do as big as big as possible,
Speaker 2: and with this being their first year, they want to
Speaker 2: kind of hit it.
Speaker 1: Hard, and I'm only in on the others. I think
Speaker 1: it comes in over to I just generally think that poker,
Speaker 1: live poker, I should say, is in a very healthy spot.
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like most of the negative
Speaker 1: stuff that comes out about poker is all directed at
Speaker 1: online poker specifically, and then you know, live poker. I
Speaker 1: just I feel like fields everywhere are very healthy, if not,
Speaker 1: you know, up a lot, there's a lot of poker around,
Speaker 1: so you know, even if even if specific events may
Speaker 1: see like year over year declines or they're just holding
Speaker 1: steady and not really seeing a big increase, oftentimes there's
Speaker 1: like two tournaments or two big series going on at
Speaker 1: one time, and in that case, like they're both doing
Speaker 1: extremely healthy. Whereas you know in years past, maybe there's
Speaker 1: a time when it's just one series and then that
Speaker 1: allows for that one series to get all the attention
Speaker 1: and everyone to go there. Even stuff like the high
Speaker 1: roller stuff that we see on Triton, the stuff that
Speaker 1: we see here in the studio with all of our
Speaker 1: events everything is you know, going very well. You see
Speaker 1: it a lot when you play at the Wind, you
Speaker 1: see it down the street at Venetian, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Live Poker is in a really good spot.
Speaker 1: So I would I would only guess that that carries
Speaker 1: over to the biggest series of the year, and that
Speaker 1: is the World Series pok And you know, we see
Speaker 1: an increase in the devisity mainavent field size. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's going to be some ridiculously crazy large increase,
Speaker 1: but I think, you know, I'll go with ten thousand,
Speaker 1: four hundred is my number right now. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: we'll feel things out, you know, we'll try and keep
Speaker 1: our finger on the pulse and feel what people are saying,
Speaker 1: what they're going to be doing, all that sort of stuff. Actually,
Speaker 1: I should say ten three and ninety nine because we
Speaker 1: won't have the Hammi from there. But maybe we'll replace
Speaker 1: maybe we'll replace Philammy with the Sun who has been playing.
Speaker 1: He's been playing, you know, better than help with the
Speaker 1: well he can he you know, he's probably got more stamina,
Speaker 1: you know, being younger. She doesn't need to. He just
Speaker 1: put his son in. That's what you do. And coach
Speaker 1: him on the side. No, don't, no coach. Well, that's
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Speaker 1: but yeah, he.
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