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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name

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is Tim Duckworth. It is the evening of Tuesday, February eighteenth.

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How are you doing, mister cowboy? Got a haircut? Huge,

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check cut huge. It doesn't look that much different. There's

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not much that it just a little clean up, Okay,

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up the Cowboy locks. Big news dropped one day ago.

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The twenty twenty five World Series of Poker schedule has

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been released in full, one hundred live gold Bracelet events.

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Tim and I are going to hit on it a

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bit of a rapid reaction. I know it's more than

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twenty four hours later, so quotes around rapid. But we've

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been very, very busy here at the Poker Gro Cup,

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at the Poker gro Studio, so it still is a

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very rapid reaction for us. I'm gonna say that we

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should probably like we'll give our thoughts, okay, and then

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maybe like some things will marinate, we'll see more takes

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or whatever, and we'll have like more thoughts as we

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go towards the city, towards the summer. So don't take

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this with you know, an end all be all type

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of idea. So yeah, the wa space schedule got released.

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One hundred live gold Bracelet events. As I mentioned, May

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twenty seventh is when it all kicks off, and it'll

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end on July sixteenth. Of course, it will end with

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a new World Champion of Poker being crowned. The Main

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Event everyone's favorite tournament of the year. Whether you are

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a player, a fan, whatever you are in the game,

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the WSP Main Event is the biggest and the best.

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The Main Event runs July second through sixteenth. We are

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going to talk a lot about the Main Event because

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mister WSP himself, mister phil Helmuth, decided to drop a

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bombshell last night and ignite the poker world. There are

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thirty PGT qualifying events on this year's schedule, so thirty

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percent of the schedule qualifies for the PGT. I believe

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that's up from twenty eight last year. Basically, we're just

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gonna run through our biggest takes, the new additions that

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are on there, you know, maybe touch on some things

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that they have missed, but yeah, kind of more of

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an open form. Let me first say that they did

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add some new events. You know, something's got removed or replaced,

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one thing, I feel like people are calling it a

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new event the industry employees, it's really just the casino

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employees of the new name, my brand. But I also

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felt that they always allowed the industry, you know, but

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the official new events, if you want to call them that,

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they have a one thousand dollars buy in Battle of

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the Ages, no limit hold them. So this is going

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to be I believe it's two starting flights. One starting

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flight is for people who are fifty and over. The

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other starting flight is for people who are under fifty,

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or maybe it's fifteen under and then over. I forget exactly,

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but it's basically split down the middle, over fifty, under fifty,

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and then they'll combine. I think this is kind of

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an interesting concept. I don't hate it. Hate it? Oh

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you hate it? Why doesn't make any It's a normal tournament,

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just split up. I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to copy what Trent does with the VIPs

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in a way, but like, does it I really do.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're trying to do that. I think

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they're much I think they are. I think they are

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just trying to kind of lean into the fact that

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like seniors events are hot like in general, So how

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do you like kind of build out like you can't

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have it? I mean, I mean it's combined. Not Okay,

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it's not. Maybe this is where they're stealing from the

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trit and thing where you allow the seniors to play

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with fellow seniors on the day one, just like VIP's

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play with VIPs. So you know, you feel like you're

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you're getting into the water battling with the people that

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are of your ilk versus you get in there and

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you're like, eh, I gotta play with all these young kids,

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they're better than me whatever. At least you might feel

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like you have a better shot on day one against

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people like you in terms of skill level and all

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that sort of age, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I just think they might have. They should have

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made us a one more day of separate fields, because

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if you if you were talking try and trying is

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you know eighty player is doing the same thing, is

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going to be maybe eight thousand plays something crazy. Make

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it two day split up.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know logistically that's difficult, so that's probably why they

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didn't do it. But to me, it doesn't Outside of

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the Day one doesn't really change much for me.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really move the interest meter for me with

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this WS. I do think that I would almost reserve

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kind of one weird, wacky, gimmicky type of event. This

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one I would put into that bucket. It might not

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even be weird enough for like what I would be

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going for, but you know, I think it's important to

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have like kind of fun with one of them. They

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finally did it. They added one hundred thousand dollars buy

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in high roller yellow. Speaking of copying, stealing, they stole

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from from you, let them have it. Come on, they

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stole from me. Listen. Imitation the highest flattery. I was

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about to say it took them a couple of years,

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but it's here and listen. This is going to be huge. Yeah, massive,

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It's going to be that word I love so much,

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massive massive. They should have put massive roller. Oh that's

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a good name. I might, you know I might so, Yeah,

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one hundre k buy in pot limit Omaha high Roller.

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This is going to be absolutely freaking in. Before it

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was fifty it was crazy. Then Now you know this

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hunter k. It's it's about time. It's rightfully on the schedule,

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and like I said, it's going to be absolutely crazy

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in there they added a twenty five K high roller

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half and half half PLO half no limit hold them.

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I think this is also awesome. They've had this tournament

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before at much lower price points. I think the highest

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was five K. Yeah. I think they even have a

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fifteen hundred before, they've had a yeah, and then they

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had a five hundred. I think, yeah. I mean, but

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this is going to be awesome. I think this one's

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going to be really cool. Players have been asking for this,

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so yeah, they're listening to the players.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're thinking of doing something like this after

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the World Series, so you know, that's why you'll be up.

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Speaker 1: That's when we will be looking like some copycats. But

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that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I think this event will be you know, I heard

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the guys talking about it here in the studio this week.

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It's hard for the PLO players to miss this. It's

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going to be hard for the no limbit guys to

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miss this too. They'll just play tighter and PLO. So

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if you are a multi game specialist like a Daniel

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mcgroaran or Jeremy Osmas, you're gonna be licking your lips

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when you go and play this in that.

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Speaker 1: So last year they had a fifteen hundred dollars double

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Board Bomb Pot tournament that was half no limit, hold

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Them half PLO speaking up the half and half mix.

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This year, they took that tournament and they made it

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just PLO double Board Bomb Pot, So it fits in

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my opinion, it fits more with what double board Bomb

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Pot is used to and that's the PLO variant. So

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that's on the schedule. Fifte hundred dollars Buying. They have

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a five thousand dollars Super Turbo Bounty Nolanmit Hold Them

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event that I'm sure will be crazy. And then they

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took out the three K horse that was at the

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end of the schedule last year and they replaced it

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with a three thousand dollars Buying Tours TRS replacing Hold

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Them with Triple Draw. So those are the those are

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the new events on the schedule this year. Some other

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changes that popped out. Initially, Colossus Buying went up and

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went from four hundred dollars to five hundred dollars. Yeah.

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I kind of always liked the four and dollars one.

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You know, what's the big deal? Why you got to

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go up to five hundred, Yeah, exactly. They added some

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extra flights for some of the massive field Nolan that

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hold them tournaments. I'm gonna try and just work that

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word in as much as awesome now massive, So Mystery

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up to five flights from four, and that Mystery Millions

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the one K buy and that's that's right at the

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front of the schedule. Again, I think this is an

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incredible move when they did it, to put it at

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the front of the schedule like that kicks off the

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World Series. It's gonna be massive, you know, massive, first

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place prize, massive, big bounty, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive,

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massive Millions. Colossus I think added a starting flight as well.

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Monster Stack added a starting flight. I believe Mini Main

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Event added the starting flight. So just like one extra

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starting flight for a lot of these different tournaments, which

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is fine because as these fields continue to grow, you know,

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I think it's only necessary that that's how you get

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more people in. I mean, we see it every single

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year with these events, the alternate lines, the Late REDGS lines,

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they're ridiculously long, you know, hundreds of people along stuff

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like that. So slamming another flo no big deal. I

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don't hate it. I also understand it from a business perspective,

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you know, drive up that revenue. It's good for the

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bottom line. Of course, fewer freeze outs on the schedule

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this year kind of a bummer. I like the freeze outs,

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but listen, I can say that here now if I

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was the one, you know, looking at the p and L,

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I get it, like, you know, so it's not like

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the end of the world. I guess. One kind of

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big notable change is the Flipping Go is gone, and

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that's mostly notable because now the Waspy is under ownership

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of GG Poker. That event was I think it was

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the flipp and Go buy GG Poker is what it

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was called. Like they put it in as like their

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sponsored event, their element, and it was like everyone kind

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of complained about the event, but then everyone also blasted

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in it like all the time, so it was weird.

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the schedule. I also found it interesting that the if

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you exclude twenty five K and higher buying events. This

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Pope Refuse does great work. A news twenty two to

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one to two on Twitter. He said, excluding the twenty

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five K and higher buying events, the average buy in

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has gone up. And I'll just run through what he

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put on Twitter, and it says twenty twenty one was

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thirty two hundred and thirty nine dollars, twenty twenty two

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thirty two hundred and ninety two dollars, twenty twenty three

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thirty two ninety six, twenty twenty four thirty three seventy three,

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four seventy seven. And I believe if you include the

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twenty five K and higher buying events, the average buying

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number also goes up. Of course, as we mentioned earlier,

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there's that there's one hundred K PLO high Roller on

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the schedule, there is the twenty five K high Roller

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half and half on the schedule, so all of that

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good stuff. So like what year kind of thoughts takeaways?

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the new events to start with. Yeah,

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I actually do like the toss, you know, for the

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fifteen hundred buy in. I think it's good keeping hold

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of them in there. The three K where it is in

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the schedule, it is a little more I'd say pro heavy.

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That's probably not the right word. But I don't mind

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that that that little change, you know, I don't think

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it's going to change the numbers too much, but I

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think it would be slightly better. Event the double board

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bump put, I think they made a mistake last year

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in two ways, one adding no limit and then the

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other it was it was a bump put every orb.

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Speaker 1: Now they're going to make every was it every orbit

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or was it every happen or whatever it was, it

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should be every hand. So I'm hoping they think we

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all when we first saw it, we were like every

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hand exactly to be the shit show. It's going to

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be great.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if they if they'll make that tweak.

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I think they should. I love the I love the

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five K super Turbo Bownie. That's great. Now that's for

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the new events. I'm kind of sad that the flipping

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the GG sponsorship element. My question is, will we see

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another event of the schedule, maybe become GG branded, you know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's the G The whole thing is GG. No

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's for example, there's the Poker News Deep Stack

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Championship six hundred dollars by do you think that they

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could easily be a GG Poker named event. Now, yes,

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but I'm wondering if we'll see that added later. A

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big discussion. I don't know how much we want to

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get into it. The increase in rate. Personally, it's class

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of doing business. It's not going to change the numbers.

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It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It is, so I I don't think we should even

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neat a waste it's in any sort of poker, it's

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obviously a bummer when you see increase in RAKE. My

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only thing is is that the increase in RAKE always

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seems to effect the lower buy and stuff more than

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it affects the higher buying stuff. And that's you know,

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most apparent at the w soop when the lower buying stuff,

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like when you're playing the three and llars Gladiator's Poker

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Tournament and there are eighty five thousand people in that building,

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and like you're using every single dealer you have available,

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every single table you have available all this sort of stuff.

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Like obviously, the more dealers you need, the quality of

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the dealers goes down a little bit. So and you

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like oftentimes in that tournament, I played that tournament many years,

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like you have to you're playing ten handed, yeah, for

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a long period of time. Like, so you're charging more

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RAKE for say, a lesser experience, you know, And it's

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that to me is like that doesn't equate in my head,

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Like you know, you should pay more RAKE for a

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better experience, or a more luxurious experience, or a more

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efficient experience, like all of that sort of stuff. Right,

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So like when you're playing the high buy and stuff,

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you're getting the best dealers of the dealers that they have,

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You're sitting in a special area with some better seats,

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all that sort of stuff. So there's all of that

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you know so greatly. But I also, I mean again

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going back to like if I'm on the other side,

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the business person in me would say, I get it,

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Like it's not you're probably gonna set record numbers in

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all you know, in the majority of not all of

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those fields. It doesn't really matter. So you know, I

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get it right, you know, And the price of everything

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has gone up, inflation and all that sort of stuff.

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So yeah, I understand it. Do I wish it wouldn't happen,

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of course, Like yeah, I don't want more Rake, who

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the heck does? But I don't think it's going to

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slow down the World Series at all. You know, I

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think it's going to be one of those talking points.

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You know, some complaining here and there, but you know,

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ultimately everyone's gonna sho up and everyone's going to play

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it because that's how it is. All right, continue what

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else you got?

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Speaker 2: You know they removed or we talked about the GG

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event they removed, they removed that event. They brought in

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Lassy the champions, bringing in terrible event, get rid of

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that one that was that was silly V I do.

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Speaker 1: Like, but that also falls under like just when I said,

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like the gimmick, you know, do something new every I

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think the one thing, you know, I haven't seen much

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on it.

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Speaker 2: Last year there was a big I think there was

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more voices about it, but you know, the tournament champions.

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You know, last year, it didn't come with the schedule.

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Then it was announced. I think it was in like

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March or earlier.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was part of the Commerce series yea,

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and everyone like freaked out that they're like, oh, they

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put it in Commerce. They didn't give us enough time

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to travel there. We didn't know about it.

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Speaker 2: But what I mean is that when they announced or

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series last year, they announced it details coming soon but

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held in Las Vegas. Then in March it was announced

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that it'll be part of this Commerce schedule this year

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wasn't part of any announcement, so a lot of people,

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I guess are already expecting it to potentially go back to

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Commerce in you know, late May or something.

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Speaker 1: I I think that it should be at the World

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Series of Poker. In the screen, you know, that is

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your your flagship series, your flagship event for the entire

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so tournament of champions to meet aligns with wanting to

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celebrate those champions at that series. You also get the

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added benefit of, like, you know, everyone's there playing they

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can then you know, take some shots and whatnot in

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the WSP and and you have those storylines and all

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of that. So yeah, I think it should be at

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the World.

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Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think it should either open the

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World Series or conclude the World Series. I think opening

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is probably better because it gets maybe people that were

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on the fence about coming out to come out, and yeah,

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I understand what they're doing. If they're trying to make

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the circuit a bigger deal with their partner at Commerce,

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then I get it. But it should maybe just be

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announced a lot earlier, like it could actually be announced

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at the start of.

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Speaker 1: The circus season.

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Speaker 2: But no, sure otherwise, you know what, it's nothing too

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crazy with this schedule.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people on that point. I

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think a lot of people were anticipating a lot, yeah,

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because of the new GG Poker ownership, and everyone was like, oh,

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here we go, like they're gonna they're gonna you know,

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bells and whistles, you know, jazz hands, like all this

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sort of stuff. But I mean, this to me, looks

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like that ownership thing is not changed. Like this is

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like just what I would expect from the w SP.

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You know, they they bumped it up to one hundred. Fine,

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some subtle changes, not anything too crazy, didn't really mess

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with it. All the dates are pretty similar, like you know,

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everything pretty much aligns right.

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Speaker 2: Yea, So we may see that is maybe in the

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online schedule, maybe we see it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you don't know. I think I would expect more

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changes next year, kind of play, uh, see how it

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goes this year, you know, really get in there, get

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their hands on things, see how things operate, and then

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and then go for it next year. But also you know,

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we'll see. Maybe maybe it just kind of could just

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continues like this. Who really knows. I know a lot

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of people made mention of the fact that the WSP

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plus that was used and a lot of players loved

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for wasby Paradise was not included in the press release.

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So I don't know if that's a thing that's to

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come or if that's a thing that's like held up

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by gaming because we are now in the States, we

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are in Nevada, et cetera. So maybe just TBD on that.

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But you know, I know a lot of people pointed

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that out, that that's not in the schedule. They also

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pointed out, as we mentioned, there's no TOC stuff in

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the schedule too, So overall, you know, I think it's fine.

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One idea that popped into my head when I was

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reading through the like the new events list, and and

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this came from actually came from you in a way,

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because the upcoming PGT Mix game series has an event

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called Mary's Mix the Player of the year should get

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to pick an event for the next year, So like

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Sean deeb, but Shan Deep wins Player of the Year,

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he can essentially like pick an event like and like

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he like designs it under like certain parameters working with

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their officials and like you know, you can call it

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the so and so by Sean Deep, you know, buy

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w S player there Sean Deep or like whatever, you

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know something like that, Like I think that would be

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fun and just like a way, and it's only a

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one year thing, like you get it unless you win

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it again, of course, but like you get you get

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like your stamp on the schedule for winning WSP Player

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of the Year. Like I think that would just be

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a fun little maybe we should sprinkle. I mean listen,

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like they have so many events, they have one hundred events,

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Like what's throwing away one event to like some kind

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of like thing, you know, like it'd be fun. That's

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not bad idea, Like instead of dealers choice, you call

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it Sean Deep's choice, like you know something like jerem

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about it. Obviously you can't be like you know, we're

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gonna play blind man's bluff whatever, like like you know,

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they have to be like, okay, listen, like we can

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do this, this, this, this, this, you know, like these

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are the options. Build your own meal, you know, like

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that that sort of thing. And maybe it's just like

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a straight like Nolan and Holdham event, or like you know,

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it's something super boring, but it still has that person's

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name attached to it, you know, they kick it off

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on the microphone like all that. I like that. I'm

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gonna steal that idea for us. Well you already I

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told you. I stole it from you because you named

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an event Moury's Mix. By the way, speaking of this,

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Mory's Mix. Okay, so there's an event on the upcoming

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PGT Mixed Game schedule called Morey's Mix. I asked more

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the other day. I said, limit Omaha. Why is limit

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Omaha More He's like, I don't know, Tim put it

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in there. All the players are asking what the hell's

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limit Omaha is doing in there? I don't play limit Omaha. Well,

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just so everyone knows, he limit Omaha high, No high low,

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limit Omaha High.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna break it down for you right now. Ready,

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we wanted to add something new I wanted I'm mixed

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that was what the mix. I know why you did this,

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by the way, but continue, Okay, it's called it's it's

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called a blood mix because basically it's all one winning

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games and it's all limit So where did you get

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this from? This was my original idea for the super

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higher roll Evolve Max.

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Speaker 1: You know who used to always run a limit Omaha

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high game, no Crown casino. Oh yeah, all the time. Yeah.

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So you may not have done it on purpose, but

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in the back of your brain subconsciously you designed it

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me because of your roots common all the millions these

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guys are playing this five to ten limit amet. Yeah,

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it was brutal, but here's no I have two flop

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games to stud to jaw.

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Speaker 2: It's very well balanced. Now we want to talk about

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why is it called Morris. So originally it was called

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the Commissioners Mix after me, but I thought that's a

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little too you know, I currently more mixed. So I

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was like, let's just name it after more ass Mori's

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just okay, he goes, you can name it after me.

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Speaker 1: If I was advising him, I would have said it

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has to royalties. But that's sure.

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Speaker 2: He can have royalties of the series. He eyes but

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like that's the thing we we it's an easy one

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to omit. But then what do you add? Do you

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add a third draw game, a third start it. Look,

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with the mixed game series, we try a lot of

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different things. This is something new we're trying for this series. Look,

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if you gets twelve players, it's off the list and

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we'll find something new next year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not going to get to well, no,

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I know, but it'll do all right.

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Speaker 2: Look, the omahahi is very uncommon, but let's just see

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how it goes. It'll be fun to I think it

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should be a fun tournament.

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Speaker 1: Anything you think they might have missed that they didn't

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put on there?

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I would say maybe a high buy

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in bounty or mystery mystery bounty type of event.

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Speaker 1: The ten K they have the ten they call it

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the Secret Boundy before sure, but.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm wondering, you know what the appetite would be

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for say a twenty five K mystery Yeah, you know,

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obviously the one K mystery millions is the massive bounty

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event of the series. But I think there is an

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appetite for a higher buy in. Some kind of bounty

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doesn't have to be missed, I would have gone.

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Speaker 1: So you a PKO Progressive Boundy Progressive knockout would be

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great at the DOVISSIPI. Now, the problem is is that

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you can't probably do it at a lower buying because

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the scale would just be ridiculous, and I think you could.

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You just have to really wait for the progressives to

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kick in. Yeah, I don't know so, but you could

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easily run that at a higher buying for sure, where

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the field is much smaller, more manageable, all that sort

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of stuff. So like, you know, a twenty five k

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PKO I think be cool, and I think a lot

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of that player pool would love that sort of thing,

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So that would be that would be fun and introduce

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it that way.

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Speaker 2: The one event events I'm gonna say plural, that I

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have been pushing for for many years, and if I'm

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00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:17,319
ever in charge of the WSB, It'll be the first

474
00:23:17,319 --> 00:23:22,960
thing I implement. But I would implement a five like

475
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,480
a five hundred dollars buy in, twenty five hundred dollars

476
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,920
buy in and a ten K buying heads up championship

477
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:33,200
online that plays down to say in the money plays

478
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,839
down to maybe eight players, and all those are restarting

479
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,200
prior to the twenty five k heads Up, so we

480
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,240
have to say the five hundred buying starts on Monday,

481
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,400
the conclusion of it live, you know, then you followed

482
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,240
by the twenty five hundred, followed by the ten k

483
00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:50,200
that all wraps up the day before the twenty five

484
00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:53,799
k heads up starts. I think heads up poker is

485
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:57,000
still a big thing, and you know, we couldn't really

486
00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:58,880
run a five hundred dollars buy in live. It takes

487
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,480
up a lot of blood of room, but you could

488
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:01,920
run it on.

489
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: Tournaments are always kind of a mess because like people

490
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,559
are waiting for the draw, yeah they haven't. So that's

491
00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,400
why I think you can do it online. Do it online,

492
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,960
lay down to eight bring them in.

493
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: So you'd have to obviously do the online early in

494
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,480
the series and do the actual Heads Up Championship, say

495
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:17,160
late journey. Obviously it's one of the first few events

496
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,480
that has been for the last few years, so that

497
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:22,519
would take one wrinkle. But I think those you know,

498
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:24,400
maybe you just trial it with say a one K

499
00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:26,599
to start with online.

500
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,519
Speaker 1: I think it would be very popular. Yeah, I definitely

501
00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:32,200
think doing the heads up stuff online would be cool.

502
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:36,079
I've always been a fan of bringing back the FORMAX tournament.

503
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,839
I would also do that online to start, because just

504
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,319
four handed tables is just takes up a lot of

505
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,960
real estate, right, and I don't know if you could

506
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,960
necessarily dedicate the real estate to do that. So what

507
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,319
if you just did day one of the formats online,

508
00:24:51,839 --> 00:24:53,839
then you had like a couple hundred people coming back

509
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,559
for day two live, much more manageable, you know that

510
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,160
sort of thing. I also back in they remember the

511
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,759
Mixed Max Yeah, that was sweet. I love that one too, like,

512
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,960
you know, so I would I would bring you know,

513
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,319
some of those back. A part of me, I listen,

514
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,960
I know they've never had a PLO tournament above fifty K,

515
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,599
and they are going to one hundred k. I think

516
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,279
they could have gone higher too, Like, I just think

517
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,079
they could have just, you know, absolutely slammed it. But

518
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,519
other than that, you know, I I got nothing with

519
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,079
the one tournament that always kind of like felt I

520
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:23,799
guess a little bit weird to me was the twenty

521
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:27,119
five K horse I just because I think it should

522
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,920
be a lot earlier. Well, because you have the you

523
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,720
have the fifty k PPC, and I don't, you know,

524
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:34,920
I just feel like they're too close. It's like just

525
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,200
it's a weird thing overall. You know, I think the

526
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,039
schedules it's good, you know, it's it's what you can

527
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,519
be expected. It's not like anything you can really complain

528
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:46,359
about unless your name is pel Helmi. Then we're going

529
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,039
to get to that in a second. But uh, other

530
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,000
than that, you know, good, fine, And yeah, I'm excited

531
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,720
for another summer.

532
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,799
Speaker 2: I guess you know, it's very early and looking at

533
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,759
this schedule and we haven't doubt either of us have

534
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,240
dived too deep in the structures. But and the thing

535
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,599
stands out to you that you want to play outside

536
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,759
the WSP main event.

537
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean I've always wanted to

538
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,599
play the Monster Stack. Yeah, I just so, I know

539
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,720
it's long and it's listen, it's not long in the

540
00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:16,000
sense that I can't handle the endurance aspect of it

541
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,160
feel hummy, But I mean, okay, we're going to get

542
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,279
into this guy. It's just long that you can't like,

543
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,480
I don't want to be off of work for that long.

544
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:29,359
And if I am like off of work or away

545
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,359
for or whatever playing a tournament, I wanted to be

546
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,599
the main right, like that's what I wanted to be.

547
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:39,680
So so yeah, I think maybe, you know, there's part

548
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,799
of me says that there's an appetite to make like

549
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,640
some of these high roller stuff just two day tournaments

550
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,240
just because like the office away. Now. Well yeah, but

551
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,880
I think I know, but I feel like that crowd

552
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,680
just they play all of our stuff, they put all

553
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,079
the trait and stuff like they don't care like that.

554
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,759
You know, they want in and out let's go. You know,

555
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,079
they're in there out like it doesn't really matter to them.

556
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,880
I think the numbers would be fine there. But also

557
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,039
you know, I don't mind the way that it is.

558
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,480
It's not that big of a deal. I was. I

559
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,559
think the thing that I was thought we had the

560
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,640
best chance of seeing in terms of a GG poker

561
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,200
effect was a smaller buying bracelet event than three hundred dollars.

562
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,920
I thought that that had the best chance to be

563
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,480
like the big change. Now. I didn't think anything would

564
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,200
really be that big of a change for this year,

565
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,359
but I thought, if you if we see anything, they

566
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,839
might do like hundred dollars like something like nuts right,

567
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,599
like something like that. But you know, a very very

568
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:39,960
similar schedule to recent years they're up to one hundred

569
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,920
uh bracelets now live and then and then we'll have

570
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,400
such a They're always going to ask there's a demand,

571
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,519
is there? They're going to just continue to ask demand.

572
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,599
But that's just how it is. Let's protect this brand.

573
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,640
That's just how it is. All right, Let's get to

574
00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:00,720
uh mister, what is it? Seventeen old races now eighteen

575
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,279
gobers and that's probably where they am. How many? How

576
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,359
many is seventeen? Yeah, I mean, it's just this guy.

577
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,720
So last night, Monday night, right around eleven pm Vegas time,

578
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:16,400
a story drops from poker dot org. I believe they

579
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,279
were the first ones, right, And it's from Phil Hellmuth

580
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,960
saying that he's not playing the WSP main event this

581
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,720
year twenty twenty five. And then a tweet comes out

582
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,279
with a video from Phil Hellmuth where he is talking

583
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:33,200
about it. I'll read what he put in the tweet,

584
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,279
and then we'll have our our TRUSTe producer Rich Ryan

585
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,240
put in the audio from what Phil Helmy said. Phil

586
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,279
Helmy tweeted, I am not playing the WSP main event.

587
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,200
It has become an quote endurance contest. I truly believe

588
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,400
that eighty percent of the players want changes made to

589
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,519
the WSP main event. Twelve hour days or longer for

590
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:55,759
six to seven days in a row is brutal and

591
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,640
disproportionately affects older players. Let's hear what all Youth had

592
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,680
to say in his video.

593
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,319
Speaker 3: Folks, here's a video I never wanted to make. So

594
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,759
the World Series Booker Main Event. I played it every

595
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:11,759
year since nineteen eight. I will not be playing it

596
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:12,200
this year.

597
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,799
Speaker 4: It's just too tough. It's just too tough.

598
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,119
Speaker 3: You know, people at home are like, oh, Phil, you

599
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:19,599
could play seven days in a row.

600
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:20,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, try it.

601
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,079
Speaker 3: Try try getting up and playing at noon until midnight

602
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:26,480
seven days in a row.

603
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,119
Speaker 4: And then they're, oh, well.

604
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: Today we have to play till two or three in

605
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,319
the morning, which also happens at the WSOP main Event.

606
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,359
It's just exhausting and I can't win. And I think

607
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:39,359
that it really hurts the older players in a much

608
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,720
bigger proportion than the younger players. And I'll say this,

609
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,319
I had four great players come and tell me that

610
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,079
they blewe the main event because they got too tired.

611
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:53,680
With fifty left, with thirty left, with one hundred left.

612
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,319
It's turned into an endurance test. I don't think that

613
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,599
the World Series of Booker main event is measuring skill.

614
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,279
It's still my favorite event in the world. Don't misunderstand me.

615
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,279
I don't want to miss it, but I know that

616
00:30:06,359 --> 00:30:09,160
I can't do that. You know, I'm sixty years old.

617
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:09,519
I know.

618
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:11,759
Speaker 4: I don't think I could have done at age fifty.

619
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,559
Speaker 3: So I think the World Series of Poker is set

620
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,039
up as an endurance test, and we're losing a lot.

621
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,160
And if you go out there and you pull the

622
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,559
players on whether or not they should have days off

623
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:27,200
in the main event, eighty percent are going to say yes.

624
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720
In the twenty percent because I did a little polling myself,

625
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,559
the twenty percent that don't, they're the guys who are

626
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,880
twenty years old, and I mean twenty five, twenty six,

627
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,400
twenty seven.

628
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,839
Speaker 4: They're yeah, yeah, people get tired, they blow all their chips.

629
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: Of course, wanted to be ten days straight, but I

630
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,119
don't think that's what the World Poker World Series of

631
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:44,119
Poker should be about.

632
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: People getting tired and blowing their chips.

633
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: So it's going to really hurt me to not play

634
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
in the world's best poker tournament, the World Series of

635
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:52,720
Poker Main Event.

636
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: But in twenty twenty five, I'm out.

637
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,119
Speaker 3: I hope that in twenty twenty six there's some changes

638
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,559
made so that, you know, so that we can restore

639
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,519
more skill and less endurance. I really hope they make

640
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,920
those changes because I don't know if I can do

641
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,480
an entrance this year either, So I guess I'm just out, Folks.

642
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:15,319
Speaker 4: I love the.

643
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: World Series of Poker, very important to me, but just

644
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,839
can't play the main event anymore.

645
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: All right, So that was your boy, Philip Hellmuth, mister

646
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:31,119
WSP himself. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty confident to crown him.

647
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,960
That he does have the most bracelets. You know, he

648
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:39,440
is pretty synonymous with THESP brand. I can only imagine

649
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,920
you're the dowsity brass and this guy drops this video

650
00:31:44,079 --> 00:31:48,039
and this announcement, I'd be like, what the hell are

651
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:53,119
you doing? What is happening? I mean, seriously.

652
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: Sure, but I'm not really I don't think they have

653
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,720
any sponsorship liaisons or anything with Phil.

654
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,519
Speaker 1: Right, see, he's not on the shape know what? This

655
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,079
video feels like? This video feels like I just remember

656
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,799
watching I think it was like the preview of the

657
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:13,240
trailer for the Mike Madis at Don And I want

658
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,200
to say he said something in there along the lines

659
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,680
of like him Daniel Phil et cetera, like basically helped

660
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,119
build the city, Like then that's how he wanted to

661
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:28,160
be remembered. This to me feels like Phil thinks he

662
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,079
has more to do with the WSP than THEWSP has

663
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,000
to do with the hunk, when if there's novasp, there's

664
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,119
no hunk. I mean, bottom line, that is true. So like,

665
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,559
why does this need to be blasted out on the internet.

666
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,400
Why can't you just go to your people, because like

667
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,799
who you obviously have a good relationship with and and

668
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,160
actually have a conversation and talk to him about this.

669
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480
This seems silly he just thought of this and just

670
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,880
shot it out there. It seems extremely weird to just

671
00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,720
go about it like this, announcing this now, you know,

672
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,680
hours after they dropped the dovasby main event schedule. Is

673
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,240
an attack on the was a B. That's what this is. Like,

674
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:10,839
I'm attacking them and I'm gonna make the biggest noise

675
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,000
possible because i want to get my way, which seems

676
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,039
not the right way to go about this. It's definitely

677
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,119
like why would she just why wouldn't you just advocate

678
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,559
for it? Maybe you do some sort of silent petitioning

679
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,880
talking to all the different players being like hey, and

680
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,079
why don't you also like come with you know, some solutions,

681
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,839
being like, hey, this is what I think. Maybe we

682
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,359
cut the levels down from two hours to ninety minutes,

683
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,920
you know, maybe we cut them down to one hundred minutes.

684
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,160
Maybe we put a day off in the middle here,

685
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:40,839
like maybe we do this, this and this, and like,

686
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,079
you know, get some people on your side, right. I

687
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:48,000
remember years ago down at PCA. I think it was

688
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,880
Scott Clements. This is when I forget which tournament I

689
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,039
want to say. It might have been the WPT five Diamond,

690
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,240
but it was one of the tournaments Appolage you had

691
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,200
like changed their whole schedule to be like all no

692
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,400
limit tournaments like one k nolmit Urm the main and

693
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,359
Scott like made this petition and had like all these

694
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,119
people at PCA signing. He was going around having all

695
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,440
these people sign this thing, because then he was gonna

696
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,800
go to them and say, look, this is what the

697
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,920
players want. They don't want this, they want this over

698
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,360
here like do something like that. You know, this seems

699
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,760
like this seems like hey, look at me, I'm gonna

700
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:26,119
throw a fit about this. And yeah, I mean, first

701
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,559
of all, if you stack it correctly, there are plenty

702
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:33,119
of days off in the Maine, okay, plenty is like,

703
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:37,119
if you play one A, you have what three days off,

704
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,199
four days off, three days off? Yeah, yeah, and then

705
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,199
you play ABC and then you have a day off

706
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,119
and then you start going and then there's a day

707
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:48,920
off after you make the final table if you get

708
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,800
that far, Like, I like what, I don't understand why

709
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,079
you can't stack it like that. It's very easy, simple.

710
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,039
This may not surprise you, but I do side with

711
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:05,599
Phil Homes. I'm so shocked. I think he could tweak this.

712
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:08,840
And listen, let me also say this. Let me also

713
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:15,480
say this. I'm not necessarily saying that Phil's entire message

714
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:20,639
is wrong because I have said it. I think I've

715
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,480
said it on this podcast before. Like the times that

716
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,119
I've played the main event, I've like caught myself being like,

717
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,039
we're still on this level type of thing. I mean,

718
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,159
I don't but like his thing was about the whole endurance,

719
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
like big picture, right, like we'd put days off and

720
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,559
this and that and whatever I would before trimming down

721
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:41,159
the levels a little bit. Yeah, one hundred minute levels

722
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,920
whatever that is, right, And you know, I'm team no

723
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,199
dinner break. I don't care, Like I just think dinner

724
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,400
breaks are ridiculous, but that's me. I also don't think that,

725
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,599
you know, when he's claiming that, like sometimes you play

726
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:54,800
the three am Like, I don't think that that. I

727
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,400
think that's more rare than it is. It is common,

728
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:59,880
you know, it's oftentimes it just has to do with

729
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,599
like how the field is playing and how things are

730
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:05,639
breaking and what's happening, you know, versus like that's the

731
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:07,519
plan from the start, Like that's not the plan from

732
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:10,239
the start. You usually end right around midnight, you know,

733
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,920
give or take of course, Like it's it's not crazy,

734
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,400
and you have you have a break every two hours.

735
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,800
You have the long dinner break, so it's not the

736
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,119
worst thing in the world, you know, to grind it.

737
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,840
And I personally do feel like, and I've said this before,

738
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,320
I've always thought this going back to when Sebastian Ruthenberg

739
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,599
was heads up with Chris Ferguson and I believe it

740
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,079
was the five K stud High Low event they were

741
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,400
playing Forever in the Amazon Earth, and I was like,

742
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,760
you know, part of it is endurance. Like part that

743
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,119
that's part of poker in certain situations. Now, should it

744
00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:45,519
always be an endurance match, No, but like part of

745
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,519
it is. Part of the skill of this thing is

746
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:50,920
who can play the best poker over the long haul?

747
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,920
And this thing is the long haul. I'm but I

748
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,840
also will say that I, you know, probably one hundred

749
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,480
minutes or whatever. But now if I'm WSOP, I would

750
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:03,000
say that I want this event to be the biggest

751
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:05,800
and the best in the world, which it is, but

752
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,760
I also wanted to have the best structure give the

753
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,840
most play to the players. So when there's other tournaments

754
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,920
out there in the world that might have ninety minute

755
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,920
levels on certain days, well we have to be better

756
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,199
than that. Yeah. So that like that's where I would say, Okay,

757
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,199
you can't go lower than one hundred minutes, right, you know,

758
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,239
but let's just blow everyone out of the water, and

759
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,360
we're two hour levels.

760
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:28,079
Speaker 2: I don't think they're ever going to go back to

761
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,480
our levels ninety minute levels on hundred minute levels. Is

762
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,199
that the best way they should do it? Yeah, But

763
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,599
like you said, I don't think they're gonna They're never

764
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:39,480
gonna wind it back. So they do you want to

765
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,920
be the biggest and best tournament in the world. I

766
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,400
think it is the biggest and best main event in

767
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,360
all the world. But you know, but like I said,

768
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,519
if I was in chidship with probably ninety minute levels

769
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,519
until you're in the money and we'll go from there.

770
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't mind doing something like that where you

771
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:58,400
stagger it. I always do think it's funny that the

772
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,320
the everyman, you know, they are drawn to this bucket

773
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,440
list item event when the structure is so against them

774
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,239
in a lot of ways. And producer Rich Ryan has

775
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,159
had this take forever that the structure is too good

776
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,239
in the was main event and like you get down

777
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,079
to you know, day six, day seven, and everyone is

778
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,239
an absolute crusher. Other than maybe like a couple people,

779
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,639
everyone is pretty pretty good. The structure is very good,

780
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:33,360
and if you're not a decent player, you're just gonna

781
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,159
get eaten a lot. So now that said, while I

782
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:39,360
said that, like, if I'm doabsity, I want like the

783
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,599
biggest and the best, and I want the best structure

784
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,480
in all of that, I would also be like, well,

785
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,320
how do we make the final tables where? Because this

786
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,199
is obviously the biggest finel table in poker, the bigest

787
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,320
spectacle in poker, right, how do we make it where

788
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,840
it's not nine robots for lack of a better term,

789
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,079
at the final table. Well, if you make the event

790
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,000
itself more of a crapshoot in a way. You know. Now,

791
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,760
I'm not saying crazy turbo like we're doing here in

792
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,840
the studio, you know, like I'm not saying a two

793
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,199
day event or anything like that. But if you do

794
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,880
make the structure a little bit faster, allow for a

795
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,519
little bit more gamble, you know, push people a little

796
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:19,880
bit more, then maybe you get a more colorful final table,

797
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,360
you know, with some kind of wacky personality, some people

798
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,920
that aren't just like the best of the best and

799
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,960
they've studied so much and all this sort of stuff.

800
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,800
So I can see the argument for both sides there.

801
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,719
I just think that the way Phil went out there

802
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,960
and like delivered this message and essentially was like attacking

803
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,519
them in a way that made it seem like he

804
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,159
was making them force their hand, Like I'm Phil, I'm

805
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:47,039
mister w Sop. I'm sitting out at the main event,

806
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,639
you know. But if you change it, I'll come. Now.

807
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:52,920
The second part of this is that do you really

808
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,760
believe he's gonna not play. He's one hundred percent playing

809
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,599
in event. I mean, right, let's be serious, right, I

810
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:03,760
mean he has to play, right, Yes, like I it

811
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,880
just I mean I don't see any ways, someone as

812
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,880
I saw, I saw his agent, Brian Balls, but said

813
00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:12,800
he's one hundred percent. Seriously, he's not sitting out. And

814
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,719
then I saw Sean Deep say, Phil's actually really sharp

815
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,960
because he realizes that bracelets are the best thing for

816
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,199
Phil helm youth. That is, why would you get locked

817
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,000
up in the tournament for ten days, but instead you

818
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,920
can just play like fifteen different events, you know, all

819
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,599
these like two and three day tournaments that they have

820
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,599
at the WSB. That's where Phil can go play and

821
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,880
hopefully win, you know, another bracelet, another bracelet, another bracelet.

822
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,559
You know. So if someone brought up, you know, like

823
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,800
is he really going to play not play? And I

824
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,719
was like, he's playing.

825
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: And then the guy was someone who said he must

826
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,639
have like the longest streak of WSP main events.

827
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,679
Speaker 1: He doesn't. I believe that belongs to Juwey Tumpko. But

828
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,320
Phil said he's been playing since eighty nine.

829
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably have to bet so the year

830
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,599
the year he won it, Phil is probably still top

831
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,639
five and main events play it for sure, I mean

832
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,400
for sure, Yeah, so does he really I mean in succession.

833
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,800
So I'm wondering if he really wants to risk that

834
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,440
kind of you know, we know feel like records. You know,

835
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,320
he likes to have, he likes to be number one

836
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,199
in something. Is going to be a point where he's

837
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,880
close to passing Dewey Tompco because I don't know who

838
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,119
knows the Dewey plays this year. I don't think Phil

839
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,360
wants to give up that. So I think we'll see

840
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:26,760
him play.

841
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't think you won't

842
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:34,679
see him play. But you know, it is what it

843
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,079
is another way that you could you know, if you

844
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,480
are w s ap and I guess you're entertaining because

845
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:41,320
I saw, you know, his thing is like we need

846
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,239
a day off, and I think he also put out

847
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,079
like a solution, like my solution would be like like

848
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,440
three days day off, three days day off or something

849
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,920
like that, is maybe you do a split day three,

850
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,119
you know, so then you can still have the option

851
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,519
of like essentially one A to a three A and

852
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:04,639
you you know, every other day is a day off

853
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,920
in kind of that scenario. You know. Of course, what

854
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,880
I just said is not totally perfect because there's four

855
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,519
day ones, but you guys get the points. You know,

856
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:14,199
something something like that I think would be better than

857
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,639
just like slamming a day off in there. I al

858
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,599
because because and the reason why I say that is

859
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,840
I like that once the main event starts, like having

860
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,159
it out there and happening every single day other than

861
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:28,719
the day off right before the main event, I think

862
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,599
that that's good natural promotion for the event itself. You know,

863
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,599
don't give people any sort of out to look away,

864
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,599
to not tune in to watch it, to not think

865
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:42,000
about it, like you know, have media outlets and whatever,

866
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,159
not talk about it, like you want everyone talking about

867
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,559
that every single day, right, So if you just slam

868
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,719
this day off in there, it's like, okay, well no

869
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,639
one's talking about it for that day, you know, they're

870
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,559
talking about something else, especially the World Series, when there

871
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,599
would be other stuff going on of course, you know.

872
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:01,800
So so yeah, that's what I think, you know, kind

873
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,320
of breaks that. But yeah, it's funny that, you know,

874
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,360
if if you're doubs appear, if i'mbasp, this is the

875
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:14,480
the most frustrating. Part of this is that we just

876
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:19,000
dropped our schedule. It's a day that everyone looks forward

877
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,519
to every single year. Like they started publicizing it, you know,

878
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,519
last week. They were like it's coming on Monday, blah

879
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,440
blah blah. And then Phil goes and does this and

880
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:31,039
like essentially steals all your thunder takes all the headlines

881
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,639
and whatever, and like listen, yes, in a way, all

882
00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,400
publicity is good publicity, you know, no matter what. But

883
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,280
he's also like stealing it away from you and trying

884
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,000
to make it seem like this event is not the

885
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:45,079
great thing that it is because it is a great event,

886
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:48,559
you know. So yeah, I think that that would be

887
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,239
you know, if you're if you're in those offices, that

888
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,000
would be like what you see this thing like come

889
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,159
across your feet. You're like, he did what? Now he

890
00:43:56,199 --> 00:44:00,840
said what? Like, huh what? Let's say he doesn't play,

891
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:02,800
I'm with you. I think he puts Yeah, if he

892
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:10,039
doesn't play, is the doubest manament softer you're mister helmet

893
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:13,360
over there, dude, Okay, A serious question though. Do you

894
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,760
think him putting this message out there actually deters anyone

895
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,880
from not playing? Now I'm not saying it affects the

896
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,639
number at the end of the day, But like, are

897
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,480
there ten people out there in the world that say, like, yeah,

898
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:32,639
Phil's right, I'm not playing. I mean, probably yes, but like, no,

899
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,599
I'm just wondering. I'm sure there's.

900
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: People that were already thinking that way anyway. So you know,

901
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,360
we've heard people complain about stuff of the WSP and

902
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,280
it's like, Okay, well then don't come play, but they

903
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,639
always come back. So yeah, sure, maybe he's influenced ten

904
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:50,039
people out there, but there's probably another twenty five people

905
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,159
that are like, screw you, Phil, I'm gonna go I'm

906
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,519
gonna go play even though it wasn't planning on something,

907
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,840
you know, And there's look, I think you kind of

908
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,760
voice your opinion on the length to play, but you'll

909
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,880
pub still going to play.

910
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: I've voiced my opinion. I would like to try and

911
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,239
play it this year. When I say, like, I think

912
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:13,639
the levels are long, it's it's not that they're The

913
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,480
urgency isn't there as much as I think it should be.

914
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:21,440
Meaning like you you like because the levels are so long,

915
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:25,400
people play hands and every hand lasts seven minutes because

916
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,360
everyone knows that, like you don't need you can take

917
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,679
super long because it's it's a lot right now. Like

918
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,880
I feel like if if you still had two hour levels,

919
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,440
but maybe you have clocks in play at an earlier juncture,

920
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:42,519
it just speeds everything up, you know, because like people

921
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:44,920
just like there's just so much tanking and tanking and

922
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,159
tanking and thinking like all this sort of stuff because

923
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,639
people can be so deliberate because there isn't that urgency.

924
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,320
You're not like, oh, the blinds are gonna go up

925
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:53,639
in twenty minutes, No, the bindes are going to go

926
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,000
up in seventy minutes. Like it's you know, it's just crazy.

927
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:57,519
So you can be like, you know what, I can

928
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:02,119
kind of just chill and whatever. And I mean, I'm

929
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:05,280
not a professional poker player. I'm a recreational poker player.

930
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,440
Do I take it seriously? Yes, very But I'm not

931
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:09,719
a professional voka player. I don't go to play a

932
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,800
poker tournament to just sit there and fold. So I

933
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,039
just have a hard time relating to the people who

934
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,679
bucket list item or not, Like they show up and

935
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,719
they literally just full and like they like the fact

936
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,719
that they can fold for longer because the levels are

937
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,559
someone like aren't you there to for a competition to

938
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,079
try and win, Like, well, I don't understand why you

939
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,400
would just show up and just be like just fold

940
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,280
to get aces and eventually like go all in, Like

941
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,000
that's the best. That's how I play. Yeah, I know,

942
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:45,800
I'm talking to somebody. So it's been It's been a

943
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,559
fun twenty four hours, uh for the World Series of

944
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:52,719
Poker overall. You know, I think that the thebasity schedule

945
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,320
is good. You know, I would give it an as

946
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,199
you know, it didn't blow my doors off, yes, but

947
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,559
it certainly didn't go down from wherever it was before,

948
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,039
unless unless I'm missing something that I don't see. But

949
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,199
you know, I feel that it's it's another good schedule

950
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,679
and I think people are happy, you know, and I

951
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,719
I know this year obviously people were like okay, gig poker,

952
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,559
let's see what they do type of thing. But also

953
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,599
just having the schedule out there allows people to start planning,

954
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,159
start pooking trips, start being like, oh, I'm like, you know,

955
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,519
I'm going to go home like some nights this week

956
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,679
and I'm gonna be like okay, like I would want

957
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:33,280
to play this event here, in this event here and

958
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,960
this event over here, you know, like and try and

959
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,239
kind of map it out in my head because that's

960
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,920
what you want to do. And then you know, for

961
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:42,239
a lot of people, myself included, that leads to you know, okay,

962
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,360
like I need to raise this much money here, I'm

963
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,039
gonna sell this much action, so like, you know, you

964
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:49,159
just have it now. You know it's not you're not

965
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,400
just waiting on this this unknown thing that you know

966
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,639
is coming and is likely going to be similar to

967
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,400
what it has last year, but you're still waiting on

968
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,000
for the official thing to draw. So I don't need

969
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,840
a look at any events because I play one. Yeah

970
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,840
you yeah, what's up with this? I just keep every year,

971
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,159
I keep saying going to play the main event, and

972
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:06,920
I finally, well, let me tell you how you need

973
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,760
to play one event before I end a warm up? Yeah,

974
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,519
I don't need it. I'm saving all my money. I'm

975
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:15,679
going in cold even I'm saving every dollar to my

976
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,119
name to play the WSP Man.

977
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,679
Speaker 2: Ever, so when I went on June seventh, when I'm

978
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,199
like thinking about playing the Glad eight is a poker

979
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,920
flight one d I need you to be like, no.

980
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: You say that you think you're going to play the

981
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,199
in of it.

982
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,039
Speaker 2: I'll play it day two D max late register with

983
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,000
whatever blinds I get, because like sixty, that's fine, it's

984
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,679
a time thing. I don't really want to waste a

985
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,320
day and a half because of our work situation and

986
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,280
because you know, I'm like, I'm probably going dead in

987
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:44,719
early levels against superpros.

988
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: So I mean yeah, but a lot of the super

989
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,519
pros don't. Yeah, I mean yeah, they show up.

990
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: That's my plan is, you know, just to play one

991
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,840
event and it's the main event. We'll see how the

992
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,599
funds go. Put my MSPT cash to the side. There

993
00:48:57,639 --> 00:48:59,840
you go my WPT three roll cash at the time.

994
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:03,159
Hopefully it's still there in July ninth.

995
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,119
Speaker 1: I think this year, I'm going for one A. Okay,

996
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:11,039
I'm going for max breaks. That's you're doing the film

997
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,880
like I'm doing what film should correct. If he's complaining

998
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,719
about like you know, I'm gonna pound a brain fuel,

999
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,239
I'm gonna play one A. I'm gonna take my three

1000
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,480
days off. I'm gonna play two A best whatever. You know.

1001
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Hopefully that that I yeah, and then you get another

1002
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,000
day off and then it gets serious, right and then

1003
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,679
you're like, okay, it like let's go, you know, and

1004
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,719
then it's a then it's a big tournament. But I

1005
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,199
think it's gonna be a good summer. I'm sure you

1006
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,119
and I will talk about it plenty. Have you Have

1007
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,679
you heard anything from the field like players today, Like

1008
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,480
have they had any comments on it? Has it been

1009
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:47,679
any sort of talking point here at the Poke Grove Cup,

1010
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Like has anyone said anything? Is anyone commenting on Phil?

1011
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,199
Like you know what? You should almost run a bedding

1012
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,280
pool on Phil, like show into the room and just

1013
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:57,719
be like.

1014
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,559
Speaker 2: Shot some big you know what. Last year we heard

1015
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:03,920
a lot of stuff. This year, I haven't heard much

1016
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,960
at all. A little bit of discussion about the one

1017
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,360
hundred k and you know, the twenty five k half

1018
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,239
and half, and that's what led to a little conversation

1019
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,280
about some of the events we're going to do. But no,

1020
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,199
it's actually surprisingly not a lot of chatter, and maybe

1021
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,320
that kind of reinforces the point, you know, we've touched

1022
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:24,039
on where it is nothing's crazy. There's nothing like super

1023
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:27,480
out of line, both negative or positive. So I think

1024
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,039
the players is like, oh it's out now I can

1025
00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:32,480
start planning my stuff. I was standing behind an unknown

1026
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,280
pocal player and he was writing notes about you know,

1027
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,360
dates and events, so it looks like he was kind

1028
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,679
of you know, planning his schedule and it was some

1029
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:43,480
bigger buying stuff. So maybe he's trying to put his

1030
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:45,880
own like you know, package together that he can sell.

1031
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:49,079
So I guess that's probably just at the forefront of

1032
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239
everyone's mind right now, is just creating their own schedule

1033
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,239
and focusing on that.

1034
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: And also, you know, as it relates to the dovs AP,

1035
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,400
now that the doc schedule is out for the year,

1036
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,840
all the dates are locked in, the events are locked in.

1037
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,519
Now is when you start to get the other venues

1038
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,480
around town will start dropping their schedules, you know, or

1039
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,679
or at least they can now fully flesh out their

1040
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,039
schedules and line everything up, because you know, you don't

1041
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,039
want to like have a big event competing with certain

1042
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,760
events that of pee, you kind of want to dance

1043
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,000
around each other all that sort of stuff. So you know,

1044
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:24,039
the wind Poker Aria like et cetera. MGM usually has

1045
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,199
stuff in the summer, Gold Nugget has stuff like all

1046
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:31,039
these places have. Venetian of course has massive STUFFGTGT yes

1047
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:34,280
as well, you know, but everyone's able to kind of like, okay,

1048
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,159
this is out, you know, we can do our thing now.

1049
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,559
And yeah, the other thing I wanted to ask you

1050
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,599
is super super early take ten and twelve entries? Is

1051
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:50,119
the record? Really they're going over, just going over. I've

1052
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:55,199
always been no, I don't know what you were. Actually

1053
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,280
ten thousand, So two years ago, ten thousand and forty

1054
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,800
three entries, first time ever, A ten thousand beat the

1055
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,079
previous record of eight thousand, seven hundred and seventy six.

1056
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:11,039
I believe it was so smashed it massive increase, massive increase, massive,

1057
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:17,840
and then last year ten and twelve, So are they

1058
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,360
going to do it again? They're going to crush it.

1059
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,239
And here's why it's very soon. As crush it means

1060
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,719
like you crush it means eleven thousand, or like ten thousand,

1061
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,199
three hundred, Yeah, more like ten thousands.

1062
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Right, first year that it is owned by Gigi Poker,

1063
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,400
they're going to do something absode online with something like

1064
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,880
three thousand seats and packages all kinds of that.

1065
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: Same with Club GG. I think more. I think more

1066
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,039
of that stuff comes next year, but I still think

1067
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:43,440
they're going to obviously have all I think they're going

1068
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:43,719
to start.

1069
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,159
Speaker 2: I think they're going to just try and blow it

1070
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,480
out every year, do as big as big as possible,

1071
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:51,440
and with this being their first year, they want to

1072
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:52,719
kind of hit it.

1073
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:56,599
Speaker 1: Hard, and I'm only in on the others. I think

1074
00:52:56,639 --> 00:53:01,320
it comes in over to I just generally think that poker,

1075
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,440
live poker, I should say, is in a very healthy spot.

1076
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,119
I feel like I feel like most of the negative

1077
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,360
stuff that comes out about poker is all directed at

1078
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,760
online poker specifically, and then you know, live poker. I

1079
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:22,039
just I feel like fields everywhere are very healthy, if not,

1080
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:26,679
you know, up a lot, there's a lot of poker around,

1081
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,440
so you know, even if even if specific events may

1082
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,800
see like year over year declines or they're just holding

1083
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,239
steady and not really seeing a big increase, oftentimes there's

1084
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,920
like two tournaments or two big series going on at

1085
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,719
one time, and in that case, like they're both doing

1086
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,559
extremely healthy. Whereas you know in years past, maybe there's

1087
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,880
a time when it's just one series and then that

1088
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,079
allows for that one series to get all the attention

1089
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:54,480
and everyone to go there. Even stuff like the high

1090
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,440
roller stuff that we see on Triton, the stuff that

1091
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,199
we see here in the studio with all of our

1092
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,079
events everything is you know, going very well. You see

1093
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,480
it a lot when you play at the Wind, you

1094
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,239
see it down the street at Venetian, you know. So yeah,

1095
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,119
I think Live Poker is in a really good spot.

1096
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:12,320
So I would I would only guess that that carries

1097
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,800
over to the biggest series of the year, and that

1098
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,880
is the World Series pok And you know, we see

1099
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,159
an increase in the devisity mainavent field size. I'm not

1100
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:24,920
saying it's going to be some ridiculously crazy large increase,

1101
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,880
but I think, you know, I'll go with ten thousand,

1102
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:34,039
four hundred is my number right now. I'm sure we'll

1103
00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:37,519
we'll feel things out, you know, we'll try and keep

1104
00:54:37,519 --> 00:54:39,760
our finger on the pulse and feel what people are saying,

1105
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,320
what they're going to be doing, all that sort of stuff. Actually,

1106
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,880
I should say ten three and ninety nine because we

1107
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:50,400
won't have the Hammi from there. But maybe we'll replace

1108
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:55,039
maybe we'll replace Philammy with the Sun who has been playing.

1109
00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:59,039
He's been playing, you know, better than help with the

1110
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,559
well he can he you know, he's probably got more stamina,

1111
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:04,239
you know, being younger. She doesn't need to. He just

1112
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,360
put his son in. That's what you do. And coach

1113
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,480
him on the side. No, don't, no coach. Well, that's

1114
00:55:08,519 --> 00:55:11,639
that's like not a lot, right, that's yeah, that's not that.

1115
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,159
I think you know, mister w S's gonna standard laptop,

1116
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,440
but yeah, he.

1117
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,199
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1127
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